News Dr. Tyrone Powers & Brandon on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Grand rising, family, and thanks for starting a week with us.
A later, former FBI agent doctor Tyrol and Powers will
return to our classroom. Doctor Powells will analyze the administration's
handling of the attacks on the alleged drug boats in
near Venezuela and the subsequent fallout. But before we hear
from doctor Powell's political blog of Brandon is standing by
to get us started. But first let's get Kevin to
open these classroom doors and grand rising, Kevin, hey, now, grand.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rising, indeed, con Nelson, Man, I realized that it's the
eighth of December, Monday, and you know how Mondays can
be the day that you look back at Sunday and
go zero really zero Commanders really?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Oh man, oh yes.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I don't know how many people go through that, but
I'm having that kind of commander's withdrawal today. Man. They
did nothing for the whole time, the whole game except.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, put a zero on the board. That yeah, man,
if for folks who don't follow around the country, Kevin sumpboy,
the Washington Commanders played in Minnesota Vikings in Minnesota. They
lost thirty one to zero. Thirty one. ZIP couldn't get
no points on the board.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
No say it louder thirty one, Zip thirty one, nothing
thirty one, goose egg thirty one. They could have done
that from the couch.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well. The good thing, Kevin, they play the Giants next week,
so they should get better real quickly. Giantson is really
not the best football team in the league, so they
probably get better next week when they play the Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
But better is a point of view. Dan Quinn's said
he took Jayde and Daniels out and maybe taking him
out for the rest of the season. He said that
he let he let Jayde and Daniels play for the
team and then apparently it looks like if that's the case,

(01:56):
then he should have stayed in for the team. But
he took him out because the team was looking bad. Yeah,
you see what I'm saying. It's like mixed.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
He didn't want to risk, you know, damaging is already
injured elbow, so because they were already losing. So basically
he threw in the towel right there when he took
him out.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
That was before halftime. Though, man it you know the guy, we're.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Still getting your butt keeck. It's still not worth it
damaging your franchise player. You know, he's still got some
few more games. Let's hope he doesn't get injured. But
you just said that he may not play again for
the end of the season to the next season.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, that's because he's in shock from letting him play
too long in that other game. You see. But each
day is different, and the doctors that cleared uh Jade
and Daniels to play anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
You know, And I'm wondering if it's just performance. You know,
the sophomore performances of many of these NFL players. They
come out of a great rookie season and people's expect
expectations are so high. Then there's the second season. They
fall flying down their faces and hammets to a lot
of them because they never fit. They failed to meet
the expectations.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Right, Yeah, yeah, sure, it's hard. It's hard to beat
that beginner's luck. I'm saying, hey, look in other news,
I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, before we go, we got we had to look
out for our friends up the street in Baltimore. They
lost too, but there's still a chance they're still in
the hunt. They lost to the Steelers twenty seven to
twenty two. The good thing about that Mike Tomlin. He's
on a huge fire. They're trying to Pittsburgh. They're thinking
about cannon him. So at least he got to win
this time because he hasn't had a losing season in

(03:35):
the NFL, and it's one of the few black coaches
that we have and one of the well respected coaches.
But he did beat the Ravens twenty seven to twenty two.
And the good thing for the Ravens, they're still in
the hunt. It's mathematically they're still you know, has a
chance to make the playoffs. They play the Bengals next week.
But go ahead, let's be.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
More go Ravens. Okay, I guess there are a couple
of unhappy Ravens. You know, we know who they are.
We can name their name. But now, in an attempt
to do a good news report, the President Donald J.

(04:13):
Trump hosted the Kennedy Center Honors. He was the first
president in history to host the Kennedy Center Honors. What
do you think of that historical moment there?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Girl, Yeah, I think this is this is where he's
at his best when he's a showman at heart, and
he loves this. He loves his attention. And the problem
is he can't get the A list to Hollywood crew
to get behind him. So he's got these letters of
B and C Hollywood types, if you will. And the
place was impacted and you'll probably see it on TV.

(04:44):
So you know, this is where, this is where he shone,
but that this is what he likes instead of solving
our problems. You know, you know, this is this is
where this is, This is his platform, this is what
he's really about.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Apparently the B listers are his peers, man. You know
that that's what he's got to wrap his mind around.
You see, the three living members of the rock band
Kiss were there and no make up, just wearing Texas
instead of their spandex, and and the press was still
all over them. Other big names across the entertainment were

(05:17):
in the building too, Gloria Gainer, Sylvestus de lump Yosia
Visitors Alone Now and George Straight and Michael Crawford. But
it was the President who was actually the star of
the show. He even joked with the audience and said
he's gonna name it the Trump Kennedy Center.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I don't think I don't think he was joking, you know, no,
you know he said he really means that, you know.
So he's he's that was a tribalon to see how
how it would fit, you know, or he'll probably try
to call the Trump Center and and eliminate the Kennedy
name if he can, you know. Right, this is where

(06:02):
he wants to see how this goes over. He wants
to see like people you and me are talking about this,
You and I talking about this on the Monday morning,
you know, and the other people on on the radio,
in the media, if they're talking about if they see
us and they're like, oh, well, it's a good idea,
mister president, go for it.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Well. Kelsey Grammar, another one of my favorite comedians, Kelsey Grammar,
took the lead and honoring Phantom of the Opera star
Michael Crawford and Kelsey Grammars said that that the place
was falling down, and he's glad that President Trump invested

(06:38):
in the Kennedy Center.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And he's a hard core he's a really hardcore Trumpster.
So I'm just leaving at that. He's a hard hardcore Trumpster.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, but he did.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Nah, they that negates everything. You can't know, he could listen,
he could he could create a cure for cancer. But
he still hates you. So just get that. Just what
do I understand that I can't get thumbs.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Up girlfriends, even for those girlfriends Washington.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
No, no, no, no, didn't watch it. Hey, I can't
support people. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't,
you know, my own my own humanity. I can't, you know,
encourage it. I can't. I can't. I can't put into it.
You know what I'm gon saying. I'm looking for the
right words to describe, but I'm not can't support people
who are trying to keep me down.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
No, you're really passionate about that.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Of course, when it comes to that, and that goes
to black people as well, not just white people, anybody
who puts black people down.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
All right, Okay, before we name the whole world here,
look finally on this whole thing here, Donald Trump said
a lot of people want to be on his list.
So uh, let's move on. Let's look at some of
the things that are happening around the world. Now, before

(08:03):
we go around the world. There's the National Parks Fee
Free calendar. It drops on Martin Luther King Day June tenth,
and adds Trump's birthday, So now it was free to
get into the National Park, and now you have to pay.
In addition, they're adding Trump's birthday to the calendar to celebrate,

(08:26):
which coincides with Flag Day June fourteenth. What do you think,
another attempt.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Another attempt? Yeah. Sometimes something we don't you know, some
some things you just don't even respond to, you know, No,
things don't. Yeah, something not everything. They deserves a response.
And no response is a response, by the way, But
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
No response is a response, Carl. Then Trump partons the
drug kingpins even as he escalates the US drug war rhetoric.
Now to me, that's some backwards thinking right there. You know,
he says I'm ready for the death penalty if you

(09:10):
deal drugs during a meeting with the state governors in February,
where he said dealers are too often treated with us
lap on the wrists. Now he's slapping this guy in,
Larry Hoover, who's seventy four, who was serving multiple life
sentences in federal prison for crimes linked to his role
leading the Chicago based gangster Disciples. He's slapping him on

(09:31):
the wrist and partnering him. We won't go deeper into it.
The gangster Disciples are allegedly from the nineties, a group
that was the most violent drug syndicates in the US
and they operated in thirty five states. So are you
calm now you have a comment or shall we go to.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Before we go? Did we talk about the National Parks?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, we just finished talking about the parks and you
said that, you know, it's the same as the other
case of being held back, put down, and pushed aside,
and what is it marginalized?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
And right now somebody was sending me some stuff about Momea.
I wasn't really paying attention. I apologized twelve after the
top down. You know there's a march from Mobia.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I said, well that's the way it is this Monday
the eighth, and uh, you know rainy days and Mondays.
But anyway, have a great day, Carl's let's pick up
the pace here and bring it.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, it's large for me. It's gonna take place tomorrow.
So those folks wanted us to tell the family that
that's that's it was just, you know, I was trying
to do two things at once. Twelve half the top there.
But thank you, Kevin, Let's bring it now, Brandon, that
political block of Brandon Brandon grand Rising, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Good morning, Carl Man. You guys took an entire walk
the setid and filthy and shameful course that is try cronyism,
and which has led to what we're looking at as
this cacistocracy. Almost everything that it's wrong in our society
is being reflected by this person this walked out. I mean,

(11:12):
it is interesting. Let's start with the Kennedy Center. I
just wanted to just say quickly, the Kennedy Center in
the situation, people don't really know what it's. It's considered
one of the uh, one of the gems of reflection
in art in the United States. Trump UH just and
and it's and it's sponsored by the way heavily by

(11:35):
the national uh national reserves and not in a reserve
excuse me, uh, national funds. And Trump bullied his way
on to controlling the board there. It wasn't a it
wasn't a situation where they asked him to come in
and present, present and be no. He he took over
the board. Many board members left. Then he holds the

(11:59):
presentation at the White House, honoring people who he wants
to honor, and Kelsey grad you're right, Kelsey Grammars. While
his humor and his UH portrayal of characters over the
years is you know, it's noteworthy, it's disgusting because what

(12:22):
you're seeing is complete capitulation, capitulation to to a a
person who wants to deem him This is what this
is what, you know, want to be strong men do?
They want to deem themselves the center of culture. They
want to deem themselves the cool guys, the most popular people.
And usually when you're.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Talking about UH.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Dictatorships, it's only done out of fear people. Oh yes,
well he was. I mean you you could could have
heard a lot of people talk about UH back in
the day in the Bath party, about his Saddam Hussein's
remarkable tenure to the arts and so on and so forth.
And that's what's happening here. That's what you're looking at now.

(13:05):
I mean, it's not yet fully complete, but this is
a pathway down what you've seen the entire time of
this of this dictatorial idealism, this fascism that we're talking about.
And although it seems harmless, it ain't.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's not, you know, and thank you for analyzing that.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
You did a great job in analyzing. I think, you know,
on a trail in the morning, some people are still asleep,
but they don't see what's going on. Do you think
people really you know, because we're making a slow crawl,
if you will, and the pace may be picking up
right now. And to fascism, how do you see because.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Earlier you brought something very very you brought up a
very interesting point, and I've been saying this, you know,
luckily you stayed on the air. Luckily you guys have
been very vigilant and talking about what's really going on
in the world when many of the news mediums have
faded away, right, and I have been coming on and saying, look,

(14:06):
we are in a slow motion civil war. One side
represents fascism and the other side is the rest of
the world. We've already had the we already have the
lessons of fascism. And then you've had me back and
we've seen this over and over again. And something remarkable
just happened in your conversation with Kevin, which was you
kind of kind of were just kind of hold on

(14:27):
and you brought up the parks on the federal parks. Now,
it is for a lot of people who really don't
get you know, all the bells and whistles that are
going on. There's different moving parts. It's not as not
as Trump is a brilliant organized or anything like that.
He's the person that that they're pushing up and that
has this mega cult and you know, can can point

(14:50):
them at anybody in is dangerous, very dangerous in that way.
But in this particular situation, it is it shows you
what you're just what you're targeting. We talk about the parks.
Trump actually took away free entrance on certain part on
certain celebratory days, including Juneteenth and I believe Martin Luther

(15:11):
King's birthday, and then he added his birthday as a
day that you get into the parks for free. And
this is the kind of pettiness that you look at
and say, okay, well man, that's kind of that's just crazy,
that's loopy. But it is. It is an attempt of erasure.
And although it seems you know, small and and not

(15:35):
tie that to other things that are happening, Tie that
to other tie that to them trying to remove American history,
to trying to remove the connection, for instance, with with
Jackie Robinson and his service and the longer story. There's
there's a there's a much longer story of Jackie Robinson's

(15:55):
service in the in the in the military. And right there, right.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, holdlth L right there, brand I'll let you
pick up on Jackie when we get back eighteen minutes
after the top, they are family. Thanks for waking up
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(16:22):
Thanks are waking up with us on this Monday morning,
twenty one minutes after the top. Day are our guest
is a political blog of Brandon. I'm discussing Donald Trump's
attempt to erase our history. Before we left out, Brandon,
you will tell us about Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, when do you win? One of the one of
the things that they did was they they cut the
tethers when you could go in and research the records
of soldiers in throughout the government, and they would go

(17:02):
to other pages and tell different stories. And one of
the stories about Jackie Robinson is that he was court
martial I don't know if a lot of people know that.
And it was court martialed, because this is a remarkable
window into everything that we're facing right now. He was
court martialed because he was in a transport. It was

(17:25):
a private transport that was transporting soldiers, so they was
contracted was as a bus, and he was sitting up
front next to one of his friends, one of his
best friends, and another soldier's wife, and they were sitting
up front talking and the driver of that bus did

(17:49):
not appreciate Jackie Robinson sitting there. He first thought the
woman was white. She was what we call life candied.
You see what I'm saying, And so he told Jackie
Robinson go sit in the back of the bus. Well,
Jackie Robinson, like I said, it was who he was
has always been a talented, strong individual. Knew who he
was athletically and understood who he was scholastically, and also

(18:14):
had attained a certain you know rank in the military,
and he wouldn't take that guff. Well, they get to
the destination, the man, the driver gets off of the
bus and goes and reports quote unquote Jackie Robinson to
his authorities, to the higher ups, where they lead Jackie

(18:39):
Robinson off that transport, arrested and put him under house arrest,
and he is then court martialed because he was told
to give He was given an order by a civilian,
by the way, who had no cause. It wasn't for
safety reasons or life for them. It was simply because
of races situations when you were race that or cut

(19:02):
the tethers to that story. What you're doing is you're
also cutting the tethers to the people who also inflicted
pain upon him. He was court martialed because of that,
and because the people who were putting on the course,
at least two of them knew who Jackie Robinson was,
understood the circumstances. He he maintained his rank and everything.

(19:24):
He stayed in the military. But imagine if he hadn't
been who he was and was simply doing what a
soldier would do. They we'll have a conversation with somebody,
and this man who wanted full agency over Jackie Robins
sent him, tried to send him to the back of
the bus, and then because Jackie Robinson didn't listen to it,

(19:46):
or the other or any other black person didn't listen
to him. You get him, you get him thrown out
of them and maybe put in jail. I'll throw out
the military may put in jail. This is a window
into everything, Carl, because we we have been fighting slavery
or enslavement in this country since arrival. We've been fighting

(20:09):
our enslavement in the country since we were quote unquote
uh from programs of breeding uh. And even after we've
been fighting, we our humanity was recognized. We've been fighting
for full citizenship in this country, and they have been
fighting to return us to the to a second class citizenship,

(20:32):
to have full agency over us ever since. This is
it must be a hell of a drug. Because when
when when they show up and you hear the word
Karen and they do something to kids trying to sell water,
or somebody just mining his own business and fishing, or
somebody just shopping, and then they show up and they say, look,

(20:53):
we're gonna get the police on you if you don't
do what we say. That's having full autonomy over you.
When they tell you why when they scream at you
and yeale things you know false, it eivescuse me, false
testimony against you. That's having a power over you. And
anytime that you show up and demonstrate anytime black folks

(21:15):
in this country the diaspora show up and demonstrate their independence,
it is looked upon as being a threat almost every time,
almost every time.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
But why else? Twenty six after the top day, I
foundly just waking up Brandon Bowl. I guess Brandon's aplica blog. Brandon,
Why use though?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Why else?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Why our group? Why us?

Speaker 4 (21:35):
I mean, this is saying this country is built, as
you know, even in the constitutions, country is built on
the dehumanization, on this ridiculous notion that skin complexion makes
the human race, you know, cuts the human race up
in a different sexes. Now it's interesting because of that

(21:57):
garbage type of thinking, is there's science we've actually had,
We've actually broken into different h different ways of expressing
our culture. Right, because you have you have the black
culture in the United States, then you have white culture.
Well some people say white people even have a culture,
which I think if keen when you look at you,

(22:18):
you know, if you're talking about just because of the
color of skinny, you're talking about Italians, Germans, Dutch, because
there's the Dutch culture, the German culture, Italian culture, so
that that is true, it kind of breaks down. I mean,
you're getting kind of into words and terms in that way.
The reason why a lot of people are you know this,
you do, Carl. The reason why we use the blanket
term as black is because we've been mixed up so much.

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Many of us don't know our heritage, specifically DNA or
where we come from. West Africa, you know, Northern Africa,
Central Africa. We don't we those ties, many of them
have been have been lost. But then we created this
remarkable culture here and in doing so, was still under

(23:01):
the shadow of enslavement. And what we're facing right now
is something very simple, is that whatever you think of
the conservative people like Kelsey Grammar, one thing they can
do is count. And they're seeing that their birth rates
are not keeping up with the birth rates of people

(23:22):
of color. And I think they absolutely believe that there's
going to be some sort of white apocalypse should Latinos
and Blacks and Asians of all kinds continue to outbirth them.
This is kind of Karl to me what I in

(23:42):
slow motion, like I said before, when you see people,
when you see them, they've done so much and people
that still ascribe to the hatred and so on. They
continue to do so much damage to humanity into the
world that their paranoia of what comes next overrides the
ideas of being whole inside and intellectually being whole in

(24:10):
some cases where people would say spiritually being whold with
other humanities. And I'm not a philosopher in that sense,
but i can tell you that what you just exhibited
talking about Kelsey Grammar, you know, the way you responded
is the way that we're supposed to respond. And yet
it seems that they call it radical because you would

(24:32):
simply say I don't want to give anyone an inch.
You would dehumanize me or even law of the people
who are doing the damage, to people who just merely
look like me. It doesn't have to be me personally.
I'm not down with the dehumanization of other people for
the cause, for the simple cause of putting your boot
on the neck. You know, is there a reason to

(24:55):
go after people who would be your your would be
your enemy?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (25:01):
But in this other cases, just like your virtual response
there just shows that that a lot of people are
still grappling with the idea of why this is happening.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Right now, well thirty minutes at the top of the family,
I guess a political block of Brandon and he's I
didn't want to say he said, but I'm going to
say Kelsey Grammar's I think it was his sister was
assault he killed by a black person. So he's taking
it out on the rest of us with dark skinning.
That's where that's that's where that's coming from. And I

(25:35):
don't know the fact that he was born in the
Caribbeans on a black island. I don't know a fact
that has a problem, but he does have a problem
with black people. So that's that's what's my reaction, because
he's taking out on all of us some black dude,
you know, assaulted or I think killed actually his sister
back in the day, and he's he's never forgets, and
he takes it out on all of us. Whether you're Haitian,

(25:56):
or you're from Chicago, or you're from Paris or you're
from Brazil, you got a black skin, all of us.
So that's that's my reaction. That's from the from people
in the Hollywood people, black people who had to work
with him, But anyway, it.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Is it is remarkable to see what has happened, and
what we now, what we sit here, and what what
what comes the filth that comes out of Maga and
the cult, the maggots, and even that they are still
black maggots trying to hang on to you know, to

(26:33):
sit here. And some of them are grifters, some of
them are trying to just you know, rage bait people
so that they can get noticed and so on and
so forth. But the fact of the matter is is that
it should be absolutely crystal clear what's wanted, what's happening,
what's going on, and what's exhibiting. Trump went into a
tirade and talked about the Somali and the country Somalia

(26:56):
in a way that was disgusting. And yet I believe
with I can't remember which news agency was, I believe
with ABC they had on one of the brothers. I
believe he was some dearborn one of Somali brothers. He's
an immigrant, but he's you know, he's been here for

(27:18):
a great many decades, and you know, asked him what
he thought about it, and he went on to kind
of move around it and ended the thing with, you know,
I've been a Republican for twenty five years and I'm
going to stay Republican. I'm not necessarily gonna be maga.
And just this, it's just remarkable. Trump called them garbage.

(27:38):
He called their country garbage. You when you say things
like that in a country, it may it because he
says so much filth. It may seem like it's just
sliding off of people's back, But at the core of it,
the base of the karl, what it does is it
begins the march of dehumanization. How long they're calling a

(28:01):
people garbage do you think it takes to begin the
process of abusing them, taking away what you can from them,
and reducing what they are to second third class citizens
in the country, and later on abusing them to the
point of where you get to, you know what we've
seen that's still possible in this world, genocide.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Right, And let me just jump in and say this
is twenty seven away from the top of that's that's
the whole thing with the illegal so called illegal immigrants.
It calls them illegal aliens, dehumanizing them because they're not humans.
They're aliens. So whatever you see, if I does these folks,
it's okay because they're not like you. They're alien. So
and if you notice, the members of administration used that term,

(28:47):
but if you notice most of the people in the
news era don't use it, but they don't explain why
they just don't use it, Right, I haven't, but I'll
let you pick it up from there.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Well, I mean it is it is something that we've
been talking about ad nauseum uh uh since I mean
for about I think, Carl, for as long as you've
had me on for even when we were at KJLH
Radio in Los Angeles, we often had discussions about it

(29:17):
because we were dealing with a police force that, on
one thing, was presenting themselves as uh, you know this
this upstanding force at Keith Law and Order in Los Angeles.
Another and another you know, in the shadows or on
the every day outside of the the views of the cameras,
they were they had this chokehold. They were killing black folks.

(29:39):
No one was going to uh uh, no one was
answering for it. And then of course when the Rodney
King tape came out, it was a video tape. It
showed what they put that cat in a in a
in a police corral after he had been stopped for speeding,
and they they just assaulted. They just beat him down,

(30:00):
and that happened every day. The dehumanization begins with bounce
upon the people who can't fight back.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Well, let me see you again. I remind you brand
I remember the l a police chief dal Gates on
the chokehold. He says something about next to build different
our next family. It's on by all the black person
listens to me. Now, Donald Trump says, not Donald Trump,
Freudian slip here dal Gates, who is the police chief
and the times the police chief. They have to outlaw

(30:29):
the chokehold because that's what they didn't use it on
anybody else, just us, you know, to apprehend us. And
dal Gates was saying that our chokes black people, as
every single one of us who's listening to us now
anywhere in the world, A build differently, so you can
choke brothers and to death because they we have the
presentencyto it, to to tolerate more than anybody else. So

(30:50):
go ahead and use a choke hold. See those kind
of things that these signals that they were sending that
we had to show our people. You got to understand
how these you know, these signals that the sending out
to their people, how to handle us finish well.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
You think that you know the young brothers and says
to think that George Floyd is is new. What happened
with George Floyd was that he was the most egregious
version of of of dehumanizing us and this junk science
that we need to be having. You know, we have

(31:25):
a well earned skepticism of the systems in the United
States of America, and medical field being one of them,
and because of the white supremacy that has leached its
weight in and through. I'm not against I'm you know,
I'm I'm very I'm an opponent of science and the
scientific method. I'm not going to sit here and tell
people uh to uh follow advice that that doesn't that

(31:50):
doesn't follow or doesn't have scientific evidence. As a matter
of fact, you know, some of your your listeners would
probably call me, you know, one of those cats because
I talk about the holistic people. I'm not a fan
of doctor Sabe. The name's not he can changed his
name to doctor. He wasn't a doctor of anything. However,

(32:11):
black folks, you know, are very real about their their
their experience. One of the things that they said, just
like you said, the black people are stronger in the
neck or whatever they can, they can handle that. They
also said things this is and black women will tell
you this. It still happens today that the black woman
can handle pain more than the white woman. The black

(32:34):
woman has or their pain receptors aren't as evolved. It's
it's absolutely ridigious, to the point where Serena Williams had
to tell this story about almost dying because she has
a blood cloth condition.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Right right there, Brandon, because we gotta check the news,
I'll let you tell Serena rhythm sory because that is true,
and that primeates a lot into the hospitals when sisters
are having babies and they're asking for that shot. And
they said, because they think the Sistans have their threshold
of pain is much higher than white or any other race.
But I'll let you tell the Serena Williams to when
we get back twenty three minutes away from the top.

(33:06):
They have families. I guess this political blog of Brandon,
and you want to reach him, hit us up at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls after the news.
That's next and Grand Rising Family Thanks for waking up
with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your
week with us. I guess this political blog of Brandon.
Before we go back to Brandon, let me just remind you, comfortable, lady.
This morning, we'll speak with former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers.

(33:27):
He's going to take a look at the attacks on
the alleged drug boats in the e Venezuela and the
subsequent fallout. And later this week you and hear from
civil rights activists William Macasso, Rix brother Willia Rixy Martro,
doctor King, and John lewis Akwame Ray. Back in the day,
he's going to join us. Also a natural padic doctor
Handle Holistics. She's both. He's a natural band daughter and
a holistic doctor. Doctor a will be here. Also one

(33:48):
of Malcolm's daughters, actually his third daughter, doctor Alsha Shippias,
who's going to join us. And Professor Meyniuam Pinn from
Contracsta College at Northern California will also be here. So
if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep you readly
locked in tight on ten ten WLB from the DMV
around fourteen fifteen w L and Brown before you go
back and tell us about the story about Serena Williams.

(34:10):
I got a tweet for one of our listeners out
in North Hollywood, out in the Oly neck of the
woods in LA area, said the Liam Neeson, What do
you say? Liam Neeson was an actor who was somebody
close to was raped by allegedly rape. Let me put
that in because the guy didn't put any alleged right
by a black person. So he was walking the streets
of LA looking to harm any black person he could find.

(34:30):
He says, he's the same as Kelsey Grammar, the latent racism,
So I did you finish? I'll throw that in there,
because folks, you can look up anything that we say,
you know, if you don't believe looking up for yourself.
So it's hard to cheer for folks like Kelsey Grammar
or the Mdson. But go ahead, brand and tells about
Serena Williams.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Well, if they have those type of feelings, imagine the
feelings of all the millions of black people that have
been traumatized where their mothers, fathers, of brothers and uncles
have been raped and unledged, beaten, locked away. I mean,
if if we're if we're going to be handing out

(35:06):
you know, heartfelt stories and ideas and concepts about looking
for accountability for for someone a transgression against you, you
were yours. I think the pile that that continues to
be added to against black people for just standing some
just being black outweighs. I'm not saying I'm not saying

(35:30):
that that that that one pain or another. I'm actually
just kind of bringing focus to the enormous ridiculousness of
people saying, you know, I hate all all of the
people because this thing happened.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Let me jump in, let me jump in. I hear
the road you're going. And doctor Wilson mentioned this. He says,
we have a propensity to forgive everybody. And she talked
about the shooting at the Months whatever, that church in
South Carolin and all of a sudden the guy went
in and got a hamburger or something, and people forgiven

(36:04):
and the shooting and people, our people are those folks
don't forgive you never hear that. On the other side,
it is it is.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
I disagree with her in a sense that from a
position of power, it does look like an illness. But
if you look at our situation, it's a it's a
tactic of survival. We we don't always forgive what what
what's happening now and what has happened a few times

(36:36):
in the history of this the short history of this
country is the erasures, so that we would forget, but
we're not, you know, black. What what I tried to
and I said inelegantly early on, is that our culture
has grown out of this separation. We've we've made a
beautiful culture out of a great deal of trauma and pain.

(37:01):
But if you go to the continent where some of
us and you've got you've known this, You've you've dealt
with this yourself. You know, we over here, we romanticize
where black people should be when we get over there,
and then you meet real Africans in their own domain,
in their own country, some of them, uh, you know,
dealing with humanity, right, we can be just as cruel,

(37:25):
just as ridiculous, and just as remarkable as any other
people on the planet. You talk to some of the
black people who have who have shaken off the colonial
shackles of France. Now right now, that's actually going on
with a couple of countries. Are Alogen, You're gonna part
You're gonna bring on some experts to talk about it.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
But they're they're removing them the the the money aspect,
the money shackles of France, because you have to ask
yourself out of.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
These countries, like a lot of these European countries still
make money, like how they I don't haven't bought anything
from that country quite since I don't even know if
they're in the market for certain things. And yet they're
able to thrive a lot of them because they control
the money markets and some of these other countries and
uh and in Africa, France was still a big money
player until very recently. And when you talk to these brothers,

(38:21):
they have ambitions just like anybody, just like any about that.
It's not this paradise, It's not Wakanda Conda is a
is a remarkable story made up by white folks about
how black folks should should deem the world if they
get the opportunity, as if if we ever get empowered,
you're not gonna have black folks is going to turn
to the to the seeds of the colonization of the

(38:45):
colonialists that's happened on the contrience and completely destroy it
and wipe it out, and and and done so in
a way in which they consider themselves noble, the same
way that we're taught about robin hood and you know
what the soul called the Old West was, and taming
the West and all this other stuff. Why wouldn't a

(39:06):
grand revolution to unshackle the colonized Africa be seen as
just as nobles and over here even though we at
some point, n Carl, you know, it's in the south,
we were in the majority, but we didn't have all
the weapons, and so the forgiving part is part of

(39:27):
a strategy, but it's also part of card. I don't
know how we would survive, how our culture would survive,
how the spirit of our culture would survive if it
was turned into this kind of hate. Survive to hate,
you end up and with a demented leader. If you

(39:50):
do that, you end up with a fatuous, ridiculous, demented
leader like we have now. And we're seeing, we are seeing,
I think, a destruction of a great deal of everything.
They said we you know, black folks have always known
that there have been trumps and maggots, and we've always

(40:11):
lived there. Now the rest of the world really sees
that we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, nine away from the top, did you tell us
finish the story about Serena Williams. Sided take you off
track there, Brandon, but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Well, Serena Williams was she had have a child. She
has a blood condition. She had informed her staff, excuse me,
the hospital staff. She's one of the most recognized powerful
I would say powerful in the sense of her sports athleticism,
and I'm only saying that because she was dominant. She's

(40:45):
probably one of the most dominant athletes that the United
States ever produced, and so she's famous for that. And
she tells us hospital staff, I have a blood condition
needs to be watched bull but they didn't listen to her,
and she tells the story about how she almost she almost.
I'm not gonna say he passed away because I wasn't
there and I don't know the levels, but she said

(41:06):
it was she got into a dangerous effect of her
Her life was a danger because they wouldn't listen to her,
and she had an episode in her hospital room because
they wouldn't listen to the fact that she Now, this
is a woman who knows her body. You did what
I'm saying. She knows every ounce of whatever she's taking
because it affects how she plays and she tells them something,

(41:29):
and they still don't want to listen to her. They
still think she's just blathering on. And this is the
type of thing that black folks have to fight off.
As a matter of fact, she also she became very
famous by speaking, not necessarily, I'm not gonna say she
spoke up, but she recognized what was happening in Dubai,
the bifurcation and the gratification excuse me of life in Dubai,
and how there are people who are kind of who

(41:51):
are living almost a subsistence, subsistence living literally below all
of these skyscrapers, literally on the ground. And she's she's
a very famous person. And she mentioned that. I don't
know if she's been asked back since.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
All right, setting away from the top of Brandon Monte
wants to speak with you. He's calling from the Washington
DC's online too. Grand riase in Monte, you're only Brandon, Yes,
you're on.

Speaker 7 (42:23):
The air, a grand brand and grand rising car. I
was calling Brandon because I heard you made a comment
and I had.

Speaker 8 (42:31):
Like a two point question.

Speaker 7 (42:33):
My first question was about you had mentioned doctor Staden
and you.

Speaker 8 (42:37):
Had mentioned like he wasn't a real doctor, and you
were mentioned like you didn't believe in it, and I
wanted to know that. You think the Supreme Court when
he had to bring people in front of the Supreme
Court to show that he can cure.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
Him, do you believe that was real? What was that fake?

Speaker 4 (42:53):
He wasn't the Supreme Court. His name is his name
is Antoine, by the way, Antoine.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
And it wasn't the Supreme Court, it was. It was
the court in New York. And what happened it was
actually the municipal court.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
It wasn't even it.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Wasn't the state. The state took over the case. Now
what happened was he he was charged, He brought people
in to you know, justify on his behalf to fight
the allegations. The local case gave way to the state case.
And the reason why we know this is because the

(43:34):
state took it over. He walked out saying that he
had been justified and they had lost. The Supreme Court
walked away and he told this story, this tale. But
the state told him said, hey, here's what you're gonna do.
First of all, you're going to put an ad in
the paper. He was selling some elixir saying that it
didn't do what it claimed to do. You're never going
to sell that again. And if we catch you doing

(43:55):
anything like that in the State of New York game.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
We're going to throw you in.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
And then he moved out to California, changed his name
to uh uh doctor Sabie, and then he began his
process there. I'm not against people who talk about the
health and welfare people. I think it's very important that
we have discussions about it, whether or not we agree
or not. I'm not I'm not calling I'm not saying
that he's fraudulent in all his things. That would be

(44:21):
up to people that have gone through it and they
haven't had any you know, didn't have any gains or
anything like that. But what I am saying is that
he he changed he actually changed his name to doctors
so people would call him. So he understood what the
idea of being a doctor was uh and and having
it in your title to be able to convince people
that you were you were doing something or at least

(44:42):
saying something of substance.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
I mean, I understand that because that's the English language
to spell language, so you know, words are important. But yeah,
he wasn't a white jagged doctor, I understand that. But
but but far as you, I respect your opinion, I
mean from the fire. So I just wanted to hear
what you had to say. That's all, no disrespect, but
I wanted to hear what you had to say.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (45:08):
I sorted with the Supreme Court, and I listened to information.
And I always do my own research, and I come
in research that you say, so I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
You know, you can find you can find the actual case.
It's online. You can find the actual case that that
the estate held against him, and that the uh, the
outcome of it. And and he you know, he he
asserted it over and over and over again. Uh, but
he left New York and he changed his name. He
literally changed his name. And you know, if if if

(45:41):
they weren't telling the truth, then what happened to that?
And I'm not I don't want to get into big
because I'm not you know, I'm not.

Speaker 7 (45:50):
You know what he did into it on the radio,
you know, the personal conversation. I would rather have to
have it over and ready, right. I appreciate what you
ga so far.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Thanks, thank you, Thanks Monte, Thanks Brown, stay with us
for us, check the traffic and without different cities. It's
three minutes away from the top. They our family, a
political bloger. Brandon is our guest. Do you want to
speak to him? Reach out to us at eight hundred
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your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for
starting your week with us. Before we just finished off
having a discussion with Branda. Let me bring in Kevin

(46:22):
I talk about this was happening in Washington, d C. Hey,
now some folks may recall it. Ellen Holmes Norton h
proposed naming a post office for Chuck Brown. What is
the latest on the Kevin Well.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
First listener and bring people up to date. Congresswoman Eleanor
Holmes Norton introduced that bill and she wanted to rename
the post office, located at thirty four oh one Twelfth Street, Northeast,
after musician and singer and Dare Say It icon Chuck Brown,
the godfather of Go Go, who holds significance to DC

(46:59):
residents for creating and popularized popular Rising Say that three
times fast Go Go music, and for his support of
d C statehood and as the godfather of Go Go.
That's why he got the designation as the godfather of
Go Go. He gave d C a unique hometown sound

(47:19):
that was distinctly our own sound and brought enjoyment to
everybody that heard him here and throughout the nation, even
as far as Japan, Chuck Brown was known and Go
Go is the beat of d C, giving d C
its own musical identity and reminding the nation that d
C has always been the hometown of talented artists and

(47:41):
we'll never forget the free concerts Chuck Brown used to
play in front of the Capitol and many things like that. Meanwhile, though,
Congress said no go to Chuck Brown's post office. And
so Congress said that because he had a committed murder,

(48:04):
which Chuck Brown said was in self defense, and it
was get this seventy years ago, and it was in
prison where Chuck Brown learned to play guitar, came out
a new man, and decided to bring that music to
our world, into at least to our city. So it
just seems that again Congress, the United States government strikes

(48:28):
its rears as ugly. Had imprisonment of a black man
means that black man is going to always be held
back or naming your post office is either subjective or
based on your own. I don't know, budget, what do
you think.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I just think it's rich for the Republicans to do that,
very rich. Fair leader is convicted felon how many times?
More than thirty times?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Kevin, Yeah, that's right, thirty four.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Chuck Brown has one in fraction family, he's one in fraction,
and he goes around daming all kinds of stuff for him.
They come up with the idea that, well, we can't
name a post office in his district where black folks
go because he's wanting fraction when he was a youngster,
and we have a grown their leader thirty four, convicted

(49:22):
felon thirty four, and he's named all kinds of stuff
after that. I just think that's kind of rich.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Your thoughts, well, Donald Trump has the power of the pen.
He's naming things without approval, like when he named the
Institute of Peace and just plastered his name on the building.
They're still trying to overthrow that idea. He's talking about
naming the Kennedy Center after himself, the Trump Kennedy Center,

(49:48):
and he can say it, wish it, and then executive
order it, which is really kind of Wild. Meanwhile, comes
to a member Norton, who noted that died in twenty twelve.
Is he's saying that? She says that Brown and Go
Go is the city's official music, and Brown already has

(50:09):
a street and a park named after him. And she
made a broader point about the GOP's sudden concern over
criminal past like you were talking about, and she said
the hippocrasy is shocking but not surprising. Republicans on this
committee cheered the pardons issued by President Trump, who himself
was convicted of crimes, as you pointed out, to the
violent insurrectionists who attacked the capitol on January sixth, and

(50:34):
they were attempting murder. I mean they held up created
a news for Mike Penn's for goodness six.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, twenty five to the top O family, want to
hear from you. Hopefully ron Molton will join us too,
because she's got the Go Go Museum in Washington, d C.
What are your thoughts? Family? Do you think they should
the name of post office for Chuck Brown. The reason
why they ran in the roadblock because it's a federal buildings.
You know, the post office is federal, not city. That's
why Chuck as the other things a name for him.
But I think, as Kevin just mentioned, go Go is

(51:04):
the official music of Washington, d C. This is something
that we should be celebrated and using that you know term,
because he was a convicted felon that only one one
conviction and your leader has thirty four. Oh good, I
see the Ron's reaching out to us. Ron Moulton is
the set up the Go Go Museum in Washington, d C.
And Ron, I got to ask you stead Grand Rising

(51:26):
first and thank you you just your reaction, you just
visceral reaction to this voting down of this post office
for Chuck Brown.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Well, once again it's an attack on democracy of over
seven hundred thousand people in Washington, d C. Sud Brown
is a staple in our community and means everything in
our community. I'm a returning citizen. And actually that name,
the title came from DC when over seventeen us came

(52:00):
together and said we weren't going to be called called
convicts and ex sellings and cons and things like that,
and our City Council embraced it and legislator here we
are is used throughout the world and the reason why
we came up with that terminology was we know where
you put on an application for somebody applying for a job, convict,

(52:20):
ex con and all those names, auto magnet. It gives
you a sentiment of that person that they'd never changed,
and you got to always look down on them. They
have to live with these stigmas. And when you think
about Chuck Brown, you know, as we sit here in Washington,
DC and watch people that to get that get pardon,

(52:41):
you know what I'm saying, who committed all types of
crimes that you you think of, Okay, this person, you know,
gonna get it's gonna get another chance. But to think
that the only people that we can give a second
chance to somebody like NBA young boy who says he's demonic,
you know, it comes out of his mouth and says

(53:01):
he's demonic. But somebody like Chuck Brown who came to
our community created a general of music that has saved
thousands and thousand young black boys and girls from off
the streets of Washington, DC and beyond and created something
that has been embraced by the world. And you know
the other thing about Chuck Brown, he you know, he had,

(53:23):
you know, some things that he been through in his
life to try to survive this like many of us.
But I remember when you know, Chuck Brown even used drugs,
and he was so powerful when he cleaned hisself up
the whole entire go go community and beyond stop using drugs.
That's how powerful this guy was. He he mentored all

(53:45):
the artists, all the community. Everybody loved this man. And
for us to take away the opportunity to give someone
a second chance of life because they're black, this is
the only reason, because they're black. When we're partnering people
who you know, have done all type of things, and

(54:07):
I'm talking about this guy had did this for decade,
you know what I'm saying, over forty years, and somebody
can just get pardoned just like that who just recently
committed a crime. What does that say to black people?
What does that say to Washington, DC? You know? So
I mean, and once again, you know I was at
one time. I was the type of person I ad

(54:29):
can't either here or there for various reasons about DC
being a state, but it shows even more than ever
while we had to be a state, because we had
people who've become and just step on us and crushes
whenever they feel like it, you know, and just not right.
And other people should take notes of this because whatever

(54:52):
happens in DC likely comes to your city. And I
remember in nineteen ninety six when they took music and
trades out of DC public schools when they were mad
because DC people re elected Marion Barry after he was
in trap with twenty or twenty million dollars spent to
lock him up because he's still for the people, all right.

(55:16):
And what you see and what you saw from that,
it were from DC to all over the country. Music
and trades were taken out of public schools and that
led to the decline of having people in our community
that come from the community with a direct line to
the middle class being taken away. And then when other
people come from other countries to do those jobs because

(55:37):
we didn't have the people, that even became an issue.
So i'munderstanding people had to really pay attention to what's
going on right now.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
So hey, Ronald Molten, Sir Kevin Lane for there, Look,
what amount of you taken the consideration that most of
the time post office are named after national figures like
Gerald Ford, or soldiers have died or you know, famous celebrities.
Ronald Reagan, for example, and usually that is the other

(56:11):
consideration for naming post office after individuals. So then take
away that idea that they said, you know, I think
that was reaching for the easy apple off the tree
by saying, you know, he was convicted of murder. What
about the fact that, you know, maybe Chuck Brown isn't
seen as a national figure. You and I know better,

(56:35):
But what do you think about that? And also, we.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Were in Tennessee. We wouldn't question Elvis Presley having a
post office named after him, So why are we questioning
in Washington, DC?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Elvis Presley had a little more notoriety than Chuck Brown. Though,
That's what I'm getting at. That's what I'm getting at.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
The more, well, it all depends on who you're talking about.
Bust and Loose was known all over the country by artists.
When I talk to people about Chuck Brown wherever I go,
they know who he is. Now when you start talking
about other people, I don't give it damn about other people.
I care about my people. My people all over the
world know who Chuck Brown is. They know about busting loose,

(57:19):
they know about I need some money, they know about
doing the butt, They know and so I mean, you know,
and this is why you elevate people like him even
more so because they need to know about him. They
even know about his life, how you can change your
life around and be given a second chance to do
what's right. They need to know that. They need to

(57:41):
know about the Chocolate City, how we created our own
here and all the great things that we did, you
know what I'm saying. So it's only five places that
you can say have their their own music in this country, right,
and a lot of times other people who are the
stamp of that, who even who didn't even create it.

(58:03):
So I think it's very important that we put the
faces of people from our community out there, because a
lot of times you look up fifty years later as
somebody else faces up there.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Well, let me jump in here, fellos. Twenty seven minutes
away from the top of that, Ron Molton has joined
us Ron is to put up the Go Go Museum
in Washington, d C. And Kevin is discussing the Republicans
have killed the bill to rename a DC post office
after Chuck Brown, the so called the godfather of Go Go,
the official music of Washington, DC. So my question to

(58:35):
what you said, Ron is a Republican on the House
been Do you think they know who Chuck Brown is
or was?

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I think right now people are just looking through everything
in Washington, DC does right now in a magafying glass.
Anytime they feel like selecting, they just slexing. That's what
I think, because before this they wouldn't even have been
looking at who we naming a building after. Right now
is a concentration. You know, we're under a magnifying glass,

(59:03):
so any little thing this can happen, So this probably
won't be the last time something like this happens.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
You know, any building that's named, any postal building has
to go through Congress, all of them, so you know this.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
What I'm saying. What I'm telling you is right now
we're under a magnifying glass. Elinor could have put a
bill like this through some time ago. Anyway, they just
went right through. That's what I'm saying. Now any little
thing that DC does is being reviewed and watched. But
in the past they were just worrying about getting their

(59:37):
stuff through or what they're doing where they at, you know,
in their cities and their states. Right now everybody has
their hands on DC. That's what I'm saying. And in
the past, whether it was naming the building or anything like,
every law in DC, believe it or not, goes under
review of the same people. Did you all know that?
Not just the name of the buildings everything, because we're

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not a date So those reviewing DC then it goes
through a view there and dinner's approved. So there's no
such thing as it's just build there's no Every law
this legislative in DC has to get approved from those people.

Speaker 10 (01:00:16):
Most people don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, and most people outside of the DMV don't know that.
But twenty five away from the top of our family,
we're discussing here, the Republicans have killed a bill tary
name of post office in DC after Chuck Brown, the
godfather of Go Go. What are your thoughts? I want
to hear from you at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and Ron Listener sent me
this tweet. It says Grand riseing, if George Washington could

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become president, have his image placed on stamps, money, schools,
the capital city of the nation, and t shirts add infinitam.
After being known as a US military general who was
responsible for killing hundreds of people. Then Chuck Brown can
be placed on a US stamp. This is what he
once gets your thoughts. If Kevin's giggling, what do you say?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Once again, I say, everybody deserves to have second chances.
And this is an odds to moron the me with
the type of people who are being pardoned right now
in our country. And once again, I'll say, we have
no problem with elevating somebody like NBA young boy in
Kodak Black, but somebody like Chuck Brown, who was stellar

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and everything he did for the community and music, you
have a problem giving him a second chance and uplifting
his journey, which is example for a lot of young
black men and women in communities in Washington, DC and
beyond that you can get on the right track and
you can uplift your community and the people and be
a prime example. While God has told the world that

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you give people a second chance, has told humanity that
people should be given a second chance. So I just
think they missed it on this one. I think they
got it wrong. And it's said, but I think there
will be a time where we can revisit this, you know,
very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
So let's just see what happens, all right, All I
thought and stay with us wrong, We got to check
the news in a different cities and on ology. Come
back when you come back though, because you said Ellen
Holmes and she she started this journey and if she
started at a different time, do you think, well, let's
put it straight, if she started whining the but the
Biden administration or the Obama administration was an obvioice, would

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you think DC would have a post office for Chuck Brown.
I want to get your thoughts on that when we
get back twenty three minutes away from the top day,
our family, We got check the news and whether and
sports and our different cities to come back, and you
want to speak with Chuck Brown, you away speak of
Ron and reach out to us at eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, your calls
in it and grand Rising family, and thanks for starting
a week with us. I guess this political blog of

(01:02:41):
Brandon Brand before you go, I know you can't stay
too long to the day before you go on to
give us an update on the situation in the Pasadena
Altadena are where those fires took place earlier this year.
That's that's where you resigne on an update on that
but let's go back to politics, and Tony's reaching out
to us. Tony's calling from Seattle, Washington. He's on the
line too, Grand Rising, Tony. You're on, Brandon, Oh, I

(01:03:04):
think we lost Tony. Tony must have hung out, but
he wanted to talk about the Maga movement. Brandon, did
you see any more dissensions or desertions or or or
officials in the Maga movement.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
I think it's a violent cult, and I don't know
if there's any you know, desertions. People are leaving yet
to be very careful, you know, cults EBB and flow,
so one moment they'll be upset, but they mostly stay
locked in. That's one of the reasons why they they're

(01:03:38):
their their cult. But I just wanted highlight something, excuse
me and correct myself in that conversation we had about
doctor sab I'm looking at the actual results of the
of the allegations that were led to him from the

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State of New York. So this is like I said,
it was the state. It was the Supreme Court of
the State of New York. And that's where I think
he got the term what he would use, I beat
the Supreme Court because but in the part forty nine
what was ordered on June seventh and nineteen eighty eight.
Within it, there is an order of five paragraphs, and

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the first one simply says, ordered and adjudge and the
creed that respondents are permanently and joined from engaging in
any fraudulent deception or legal actions or practices, including, but
not limited to claiming orally, or in writing directly, or
implication that respondents to their services or their products can cure,
mitigate in any way relieve also the course of a

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Turkey's bikemia cell sixcel excuse me, lupus, or any other
human disease, pain, injury, deformity, or physical condition. That's just
the first paragraph. It goes on to say that they
can't distribute anything. It goes on to say that they
can't diagnose anything, or that they should be selling any
other products or selling any orb shooting any literature. In
that connection, it basically shut down his operations. And his

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name is not Antoine excuse me as Alfredo Bowman. I
just want to be clear about those things, because, like
I said, I'm not against people taking holistic approaches and
doing what helps, but we have to be very very
careful about making sure that we understand science and not
just you know, science doesn't have a race. You know,
the speed of sound is the speed of sound, whether

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you know whether you're black, white, orange, and purple, and
you need to kind of it's hard because it's a
very harsh thing to kind of understand that there are
things that do go down that that connect with you know,
the scientific research and what we have and things that
you know, we for instance, black folks in the United
States of America get diabetes more okay, has a lot

(01:05:54):
to do with with the physical makeup, but has all
to do with the history of you know, our parents
are DNA, and also what we eat, how we eat,
how long we've been eating, you know, certain situations. There
are other people, other people's that are black, though, that
are known for their speed or their law, or the
or the or the ability to run far and fast.

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These are things that are connected. But that's all around
the world. That's all when you see that all around around.
I don't want to get too deep into the woods
in it, but I want people to want to stand
that when when we're talking, when you're saying something about
Kelsey grammar and how easily they can dehumanize somebody. They're
taking an instance now maybe a horrible instance in their lives,
and they're applying that to to to machinery that can

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affect us all over the world. And that's one of
the bigger that's one of the things that that that
the occult like Maga doesn't think that they have to
worry about until the policies of fascism are on their
doorstep and then they finally see way to what they
were doing here is going to affect us too. You

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didn't know what I'm saying. You see how that links together.
So you have to be very careful that you know
things that we in my opinion, the things that we
have and represented and able to push, you know, all
over the world, the fastest, the brightest, whatever human beings. Right,
you have to be careful that other people can't blanket
that and say all those people are this and all
those people that, because you're people too, and it's very

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simple and very easy to destroy based merely on as
we've seen what happened in Gaza. As we've seen that
we saw it happen in real time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Your prediction, Mark Mallan says, we're heading for civil In fact,
he spoke to mystage says civil wars here, we're heading
for a World War three. If you think it's you
think it's going to get that that far.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
How you said, I said that we're in a slow
motion civil war. I it is. It's based on two factors.
One is the reaction to the people in the United
States to what Trump has already done and what's being
set up to take power away from people. Right now,

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they're looking to do something which leads to the other
part of it, which is the Supreme Court. The Robert
Supreme Court is probably one of the most open, openly
corrupt and anti American Supreme Court in the history of
the United States. And right now they have agreed to
begin the conversation. And when they have conversations, this is

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these are discussions over whether or not something is constitutional.
Over birthright citizenship.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Now, yeah, yeah, well go dig a little deeper on
that for us, brand because many of us think that
that doesn't affect us. The Fourteenth Amendment. He's trying to
do away with the Fourteenth Amendment. To correct me if
I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
He's trying to stop it. I don't know, you know,
I don't his his mind is you know, uh, he's
not a legal We're not talking about President Obama here,
We're talking about somebody who who wants to be a dictator.
But the fact that the Supreme Court would even take
it up, I mean, it's it's it's clearly outlined in

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the in the Fortune Amendment, just like you said. And
what's what I think, because we have to be very
careful about this too, because you know, the Constitution wasn't
written for us. We we we we were a factor
in it. And because of being a factor in it,
we were able to make it apply. And that happened
through blood. But the Constitution, the reason why they had

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birthright ficition was a way to you know, easily create
a large population of people that they were in this
brand new country. You know what I'm saying. It was
a way too easily easily, and they had you know,
the thing that has ebbed and flowed a great deal
is you know, what's an immigrant and and the legal
status of memory. That's that's you know waxt and waned

(01:09:57):
over the years as well. But this saying about looking
at a part of the constitution that is well, you know,
it's it's it's well versed. It's been debated, it's been discussed.
Of course every time white supremacy has has had an
identity crisis, you know. Uh, this this has popped up
as part of one of the central discussions of it

(01:10:19):
because they don't let me, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I mean, RUI for a second, but I think we
need to go back and tell our people about the
dread Scott decision, you know, because because this is where
this all comes from. Where we are not We're not citizens,
you know, we're former answers or enslaved. This is why
they came with the fourteenth Amendment. So the question is
if he's successful. I don't think he can do it,
because you cannot remove an amendment by the stroke of

(01:10:45):
a pen. Uh if he But if he's a successful
in rebranding this, does that means that that all black
people are no longer citizens of America?

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
I mean, of course you can. You can, you can
take it away. Of course you can't.

Speaker 11 (01:11:01):
And anything can happen anything that you because anything has.
Remember they've created this the Imperial President. They created the
Imperial President. And I want you to really.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Think about where we are right now. Look at all
of the all of the corruption. Trump is basically selling pardons.
Basically it has been reported quid pro qui quo quote
pro qro schoo man. I think I tore my uvula
trying to say that there are there are other ranges

(01:11:37):
of things that have happened right in front of I'm
not saying they're trying to sell trying to sell fear
to anybody. I don't you know when people say the
military of the army, you know, we have hundreds and
hundreds of thousands of people and and there's this This
is a pretty big country, thousands upon thousands of cities,
So I don't necessarily see that going down. But I

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do think that that the culture has changed, and what
black people have experienced because of this is there's been
a target on our backs. We've been threatened over and
over again. The few people that have spoken out and
been out front have been dockxed and terrorized, and you know,
their families have been So there is a there is

(01:12:21):
a a constant there is a constant grind against our
humanity which we have to really pay attention to. And
you know, I think you you hit the nail on
the head when you were talking about how you know,
where we've been. You know why why these things actually
keep being brought up? When you mentioned the Kennedy Center thing,

(01:12:44):
it's it looks like that's just a distraction. But if
you just think about it, a person, one of the
most uncultured people on the planet, who's who's making the
White House look like a cheap, a cheap New Orleans
ho house, which might be apt or maybe some of
the current uh current tenants who live there. Uh, it

(01:13:07):
seems like that's just a symbolic thing. But that's happening
to the laws too, and and and their application of
those laws.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Hold, I thought they got a tweet for you at
twelve after the top of the family branding is I
guess he's a political blogger. It was out in California, Pasadena, Altady,
in an era that was affected by those killer wildfires.
Were don't getting up there on there before you leave,
for here's a tweet brown and tweeta says, to overturn
and deny birthright citizenship is how they will try to
take out black people. Tuitia goes, Honestly, I don't understand

(01:13:36):
why we are why we are signing up voters and
all hands on deck to vote in the midterms. I
guess I missed that. Why we are not signing up
voters and all hands on deck to vote in the midterms.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Your thoughts, I think we are. But this is one
of the problems that the Democrats have had.

Speaker 12 (01:13:53):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
They had a couple great victories in showing some elections.
One I think that just happened. I think in Tennessee
where where they where the Democrat lost, but they put
up such a good fight in a place that was
just complete I think it was. It might have been
in some other state, as clearly read. The Democrats right
now suffering from a there's a generation gap and it

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needs to be it needs to be dealt with.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
When you say a generation gap, you mean the old
god needs to move on and make room for the
younger generation.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
But but but as people, and I say this in
real politic, and you know you can agree with me
or not, but you know, old guard never moves on.
They are moved on. It may be done gently, it
may be done with respect, but they it's usually And
I mean you lived through these times. I mean I
think you were. I don't know how young you were.
But in the sixties, the Vietnam War was one of

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the core principles of a new age, a new youth
movement that came in. It was that they came through that.
That is what helped. But the people, the fact that
the young brothers and sisters, their brothers and sisters were
dying in this place over there to fight you know,
colonial war, so that France, France could hold power and
stay power.

Speaker 10 (01:15:13):
Though it was you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Know, connected to the Cold War, it was one of
the turning points for the youth movement that was occurring
in this country. So it wasn't just in the Democrats.
You know, everybody talks about how Chicago was a disaster,
Well it was for the Democrats, but it's something that
they had built up, all those you know, all those
just by ignoring and not listening to the youth movement,

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and you know it it was. It was a remarkable
turn but it's something that was oppressed upon. Now there
are other forces in that estate where there were just
adjutants and there were people and that is all kinds
of things like that that happened. But there is you know,
there is something that is connected to that when you
talk about you know, control and control of those before

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I go, let's talk about the dred Scott situation. Right,
So part of it we had to do with whether
or not a black person, a free black person was
actually truly free, right, whether they could be a citizen
in the United States. And one of the areas that
they were territories that they were talking was the new
Missouri territory. Right now, let me show you how how
how connected and and and how these things uh can

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even nowadays. Just I just want you to think of
so earlier you guys were talking about football. Now there's
a thing called n I L in college which didn't
exist when I played in college, which is which is
name likeness where you can make money from a third party.
Now you can you can leave college having had a
great career and made money off the jersey that the
that the college cells or anybody that wants to do

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a partnership with you, and there and and when you
do this, uh, you know, if you don't play well,
if you don't feel like you're at a right at university,
you can go to this thing called the transfer portal
and you can get you can go transfer to another
school and retain your your ability to still play. And
you know, get your career going there and still do well.

(01:17:09):
And there's this there's this player named Damon Wilson who
who left Georgia and he went to Missouri. He went
into the portal. Now, when he was at Georgia, he
had this nil aname, name, image and likeness contract where Georgia,

(01:17:29):
through third party, was basically saying, hey, we can give
you this amount of money, Well hook you up. We're
gonna make it blah blah blah, based on this contract,
based on a four years that he was supposed to
play there, but it wasn't a good fit for him,
so they I guess they had they had begun the
process of getting some money into his account, but then
he decided to go to another school and he did
fabulously well at Missouri. Well, right now Georgia is suing him, right,

(01:17:56):
Georgia is suing him. The college is doing him because
they say he didn't fulfill his part of the bargain.
Then they're not just suing him for what they gave him.
They're suing him for what they would have given him.
And so that's like them owning him. You know, it's
saying is the same chinas are do you are you

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free to be a true human being? Are you free enough?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
So we gotta have a cut there, Brand because we've
got a couple of break and I know you've got
to run and people asking for your social media contact
right you reach reach.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
You reached me through Carl and we'll be putting up
a new thing on YouTube with this nightest one situation.
So just keep your ears to the ground to see
what's going on. I do have to break brandall all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Right, thank you Bane? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Eighteen after the top, Dawn, I gotta step aside. When
we come back, we want to talk about something happening
in Washington, DC. Eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six gets you into join our conversation.
Kevin is going to be here. We'll take it. Calls
next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week
with us. Sixteen minutes away from the top there, we
have a discussion about the Republicans in the House Overside

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committee have decided not to rename a DC post office.
I haveter Chuck Brown because of his criminal record with US.
Ron Moten. Ron is the founder of the Go Go
Museum in Washington, d C. If you live in DC,
you're already supposed to have checked it out. If you're
not and you're visiting DC, check out the Go Go Museum.
Before we go back to Ron, though, the Ministry remind
you come up late this morning. We're going to speak

(01:19:28):
with former FBI agent, the doctor Tyren Powers. And later
this week you're going to hear from a civil rights
activist doctor doctor the civil rights actors Willie maccassa Ricks.
He marched with Kwame Terrace who was then stoken called
Michael back in the sixties, John Lewis, doctor King and
marsh with all those fellows. He's just going to join us.
Also natural padic and holistic doctor you get too for
one with doctor A she's going to be here. Also

(01:19:49):
one of Malcolm's daughters, actually his third daughter, doctor Elisia Shabaz,
who also join us. And Professor Main Neuwan Pin from
Contracosta College in California, Northern California here as well. So
if you are in Baltimore, keep you readily locked in
tight on ten ten WLB. If you're in the DMV
around fourteen fifteen w L. All right, let's go back
to this this kafuffle in Washington, DC, about the naming

(01:20:10):
of a post office for Chuck Brown. The Republicans on
the as I mentioned the House Overside Committee say he
doesn't deserve it because he's got a record. What say
you eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six to get you in that, Ron will take
your calls. And Kevin as well, Brother Ray Fauntroy is
joined us. He's online too, Brother Ray, grand Rising, welcome
to program.

Speaker 13 (01:20:30):
Well Grand Rose Rousing, my brother, very happy to be
back and listening. I'm enjoying the program very much, and
I'm so glad that you're continuing to educate our people
and wake them up. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
All right, You have any thoughts about this this post office?
It was good name. Its supposed to be named for
Chuck Brown.

Speaker 12 (01:20:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:20:59):
Well, first of all, we should name it ourselves and
do it ourselves. You know, we need to understand the
people who are running our government are those who came
to kill, steal and destroy. I think Malcolm made it
very clear to us when he said that we didn't
land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us. In
other words, we were here when they came, this is

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our land. They are the invaders. They are the immigrants
who have come to kill, steal, and destroyed us all
they have done since they've been here. And we need
to start talking about solutions to our problems. And one
of the solutions I believe is Christmas is coming whole year. Money.
The people who run this country are the wealthy. They

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make their money and they make their wealth off of
our misery and our support. We buy everything they sell us.
We stopped buying from them and buy from each other
and build for our own communities. Organize our community, which
have been you know, consistently said over the years, we
need to get organized. We're not organized. They're still voting

(01:22:03):
for their system, which is not our system, their way
which is not our way. And we know the difference
between what they do and what we do. As a people.
We are spiritual people, We are loving people, We are
caring people, and we are not those who are running
this country now who only care about themselves, only care

(01:22:25):
about taking over the world and ruling the world. And
they're going to lose, and they're going to lose when
we decide to come together and put a stop to
what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
All right, thank you Brother Ray's brother Ray faunt Roy,
those in Washington, d C. The Fort Roy and name Ron.
You want to comment anything the brother Ray just mentioned.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
I mean what he said is absolutely right. We had
answers to all of our problems, as we have throughout history.
We all know before segregation ended that we really didn't
have any problems other than it's dealing with racist people.
We deal with that by just being amongst ourselves and

(01:23:06):
loving each other like we never had before. And it's
proven with the target boycott the power that we have,
you know, so we love ourselves and people who showed
that they loved us as well, we'll be good. I
give you a prime example. A good friend of mine,
Saint Clair Skinner, has an app called I Love Black People,

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and its app is to vobialize people who are black
and people who prove that they love black people for
us to spend our dollars there versus the continue to
spend it with people who don't love us. Because guess what.
The other thing that nobody talks about. These big corporations
also control the politicians, right, and when they stand up

(01:23:53):
and they speak, politicians listening as well, because they put
tons of money into that that this brother was talking about.
That the one time they couldn't because you couldn't control
it with corporations. But now they do. Out of Supreme
Court passed several laws. So it's just something to think about,
you know, that's something that we have to do focused on.

(01:24:13):
We have all these a chance to create, all these
black renaissances in neighborhoods that people be value but are
really a treasure like historic Anacostia that's on the rise.
But guess what, people not coming to support those black
businesses like they should. We can play, but we don't
support our own. Therefore, the people who can rise up

(01:24:35):
and have the wealth and then put it back in
our community don't get the chance to do it because
only time y'all come support them when they about to close,
the thirty days before they close their door, and you say, oh,
I wish you would have said something. Why somebody got
to tell you to go support your own community. So
I mean, he's exactly right, because that's where the power
comes from. And as long as we're organized.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Okay, yeah, yeah, Ron ten away from I got some
more fucks we want to talk to you about. You know,
I still want to get your response froment you said
on the Holmes Norton deciding now to make that her question,
to make that post office for Chuck Brown? Had she
done it in during the Biden administration or Obama administration.
He thinks you've got better results. Do you think we'd
have a Chuck Brown post office?

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Oh, there's no question. I mean, like I said, normally
they do not pay attention to things like this. See
what it passed right through right now? DC has a
Maga fine Glass on us. I mean, Michelle Obama had
Chuck Brown on her playlist. So, like I said, it's

(01:25:39):
more than just people in DC who's all about Chuck Brown.
She's a head only she still does. But when she
was in the White House, Chuck Brown was on her
playlist and that was known nationally. So I'm sure other
people say, well, watch it, Chuck Brown on the playlist.
So yeah, most definitely it would have went through because,
like I said, a lot of people know the impact
that he had, not just musically, but in other ways.

(01:26:01):
You know, like I said, he educated people, He loved
our community. He was an example of a family man
who took care of his family, his community. We have
a street at them. We have we have we have
a Chuck Brown Day, we have a Chuck Brown Park.
You know. So this is like nothing new in d C.
So but because we're out of state once again, people

(01:26:22):
can come into our community. Washington, d C. The only
place in of the United States of America where we
had to get congressional approval to do with Elsa Holmes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Darton just did all right eight away from the top
of TM. Once you join the conversation, he's in the
d C. He's online. Three Kevin Grand rising TM you
with Ron Morton.

Speaker 5 (01:26:44):
Yes, so good morning. It's always great to hear from
this particular gentleman. I know his story. Man, powerful brother here.
When I was working in DC Public school. This guys
we came in my school and helped me out tremendously.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
You know who you are, your friend Chuck Brown or
Ron Moten.

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
Ron Moten Man, Man, we all know the story. He
knows my voice, you know. I mean, what can I say?
We're talking about an institution here, that's a no brainer.
Raising gentlemen. What did the gentlemen just say crime stopped
when just doing it at a concert? Okay, So that

(01:27:31):
tells you something right there. Okay, maybe we should do
this not only once a year in terms of honoring him,
giving him a post office. All right, why don't we
have a Chuck Brown Day? All right? And then crime
was stopping DC. Something has to happen. We're having some

(01:27:53):
serious issues at all. These little white these little metro
stations and things of that nature. Fought when check what
was here? Where the kids that they would have to
just go and join themselves and things of that nature. Okay,
so it's also the Obama factor. You criticize those who
are three times better than you, all right, now, yeah,

(01:28:15):
I'm in this thing. There's a reason for the criticism,
all right. You just criticize them because you have no
other reason, all right to criticize something. I'm gonna get
that on the way home. If you don't like somebody,
you're going to criticize him and create an atmosphere that

(01:28:38):
directs that is a record told that individual is that
he's doing something wrong. But that's not true. And then
you just combolorate the people to thinking the reason you're
criticizing him because he thinks he's not exempt from criticism.
He just minded his business being what and entertainer doing

(01:29:00):
what he does best in society. The people wanted him,
and he responded to and well here I am. That's boogie.
That's all I got to say. An institution, ladies and gentlemen.
He got a park, all right, appreciated. Man, I'm gonna

(01:29:23):
get back to my oat mill. I didn't go in,
but I had to. Everybody take it all.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Right, Ronn, you want to respond to anything that TM
just said.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Like I said, Chuck Brown, this shouldn't be a problem
the guy, Yes, he did make a peaceful in DC. Uh.
If you if you look at the Bible, many of
the people who God used to come back and change
the world for people who were given second chances, and
if many of these people consider themselves godly, if they

(01:30:00):
portrayed themselves. I just don't understand how you're gonna give
a man who's come back and showed the world that
you can take a bad thing and make it a
good thing and then do something to empower over several
hundred thousand people in one area, and then he's not
worthy of being named on building having the building named

(01:30:23):
after him. I just I just don't understand the hypocrisy here.
I mean, we had people put their names on buildings everywhere,
and one to question that. But you know, people respect
the process and it's keep it moving. And I think
that's what should happen with Chuck Brown. I mean, the
will of the people that spoke is something that the
people in Washington, DC want, So why not nobody from

(01:30:46):
out of town goes to their post office. Those people
from the District of Columbia go to their post one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Well, the build was removed, like they said, due to
concerns over Chuck Brown's pads, and the bill was Hr
four eight nine, introduced by Representative Eleanor Holmes Norton, and
they removed it, which means it still could come back
to the floor, doesn't it. And maybe a petition from

(01:31:12):
the people could help reignite that concern. Am I right
about it or what do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
I totally agree that might be something good that we
can do. I might think about that today. I think
competition from the people could do that. I think that
we should consider that. But I just think that to
a broad of life and bigger picture, this is why
DC needs to become a state. Like I said one time,

(01:31:41):
I wasn't crazy about it. You know, either way. But
now I just really see why it's so important for
DC to be a state, because as.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Right there, Fellas step aside and get caught up on
the traffic weather at different cities when we come back, though.
Is that a law? Maybe Kevin can help. If you
were a convicted felon, you can't have a federal building
named after you. Family, just checking in. The Republican Committee
has decided not to allow Washington d C. Congressman to
name rename post office in honor of Chuck Brown, the

(01:32:15):
godfather of Go Go? What are your thoughts? Eight hundred
four to five zero seventy eight seventy six gets you in.
We'll taking calls after the trafficking weather listen, name and
ground rising family. Thanks for staying with us on this
Monday morning. Thanks for starting the week with us, our guest.
Right now, we pulled in Ron Moten to help us
figure out what's going on with this plan, or at
least plan seems gone awry to name a post office

(01:32:35):
in Northeast DC for Chuck Brown, and the Republican Committee
of Fellas shot it honor Fellas, but the Panels shot
it down, claiming that it shouldn't be because Chuck was
a convicted felon and before I left for the Affrican
weather webpdate. My question to both Kevin and Ron was
is there a law, is a federal law that you
can't name a federal building after someone after a convicted felon.

(01:32:58):
We know one convicted felon. It's got what thirty two
four convictions? They wants to name everything after them. So Kevin,
did you check that out?

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Yes? Yeah, According to Google Public Space DC code nine
dash two oh four point five, and it says a
convicted murderer could potentially have a building named after them
in d C and requiring that they're at least two

(01:33:28):
plus years deceased with exceptions and it's However, it's highly
unlikely for public spaces due to naming laws naming public
spaces for recently deceased persons unless they are high profile
officials such as presidents, VPS, senators, REPS, mayors, or council members.

(01:33:51):
And now private buildings have no specific laws preventing naming
a private building like an apartment complex or an office
building after any one regardless of their criminal history, as
long as it's a private decision, now public sentiment if
legally possible. The public outcry or ethical considerations would make
it extremely difficult for government bodies such as the Congress

(01:34:15):
to approve naming something after her convicted murderer, especially if
the crime was recent or very heinous crime. And so
the short answer after all of that is, yes, a
convicted murderer it can be eligible to have his name,
his or her name placed on a building.

Speaker 12 (01:34:36):
Now, Ron, go ahead, Ron, I was gonna say, this
is interested in me that so much energy is put
on to stop this, but we not stopped them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
The statues being reinstalled in the nation's capital and around
a country of people who killed so many people who
terrorized communities and hard working people who only wanted to
just lived the American dream or so called American dream.
He had no problem putting those statues up. But here

(01:35:08):
we are today and there's a big build in having
a building named doctor man who's done so much for
our community. And and you know, he made a mistake.
He did time he came home, she depended. He serviced
community well for decades, and he left something behind that

(01:35:33):
that we still treasure to this day, and we will
treasuring when all of us are gone. So I mean
e that doesn't meet the mark. I guess we should
just stop naming buildings after people in his entirety.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Well, imagine if you will that. You know, I've never
been in Congress or any of that, but Eleanor Holmes
Norton presented the bill. Isn't it in the presentation as well?
I mean she may have to have, you know, across
the across the aisle to make some amends and make
some trades. She may have had to have presented or

(01:36:10):
filibustered in Congress about it. And sometimes that process can
also be a cause for things because they remove the
bill not necessarily. And this is just my humble opinion.
Removing the bill isn't the same as saying they can't
revisit it. It's just a matter of how it's presented.

(01:36:32):
Am I right about it? Or what do you think
about that? Ron No?

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
I totally agree. I think that they still can, you know,
possibly bring it back up and approve it. But but
you know, this is not my biggest fight, right man.
I just think it's not the right thing, you know
what I'm saying. My biggest fight is making sure young

(01:36:59):
people know who Chuck Brown is. With a museum in DC,
public schools and places like that, learning about here, even
learning about this instance and why you don't make a mistake,
because if you got any melan in your skin, it's
going to hell against you for the rest of your life.
So I always tell people like, you know, you have

(01:37:19):
a lot of guys that go around and make mistakes
and they carry with strikes, and like, this's something to
be proud of. Always tell young people Listen, I touched
the store. It was hot. You ain't got to touch it.
Just know that this is what you go to in
America when you make a chance. Just like I teach
them the Constitution, you know, which is the thirteenth Amendment,

(01:37:39):
which means if you commit a crime in America, you
can still be enslaved legally a volunteer. Certain should not
be ford a fund a man unless duly convicted of
a crime. So we can use this moment as a
way to educate young people, to show them that in
America there's no room for ear. You cannot make mistakes.

(01:38:00):
She must get educated, you know. Chuck Brown took the
long way. Chuck Brown went to prison, learned how to
play his guitar in prison, then came home and used
his guard given talents to change the world. Yeah, a
long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Isn't Is eleanor Holmes Norton involved in your Go Go
museum or can you reach out to her so that
you can magnify this Chuck Brown building naming? I mean
there are other buildings.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
I mean, I haven't no she. I mean she supported
what we do, but she's not really involved with our
Go Go museum. But she you know, she's been a
fan of Chuck Brown and the music and the culture
since I've known her. She's come to the groundbreaking of
the museum. You know. Uh, And like I said, this

(01:38:59):
is what issue. We have a lot of bigger issues
that fish to fry in d C. It's just a
travesty that people self imposed their self on the will
of the people of DC. That's the broader problem. So
it's a Chuck Brown naming today. The question is what
is it tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Bigger right, because we've got doctor Tyren powece on deck
waiting for us and it's a been real patient for us.
Ten alf the top there run the Go Go Museum, Washington,
d C. Where is it? Do you have a website
or email address Hocker folks find out more information.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Yes, they can go to www. Go Go Museum Cafe
dot com. We are the only days that we're closing
on Sundays and Mondays, and we have a cafe, and
we have sixteen wonderful interacting exhibits. Some of them are
Ai Powerer hologram exhibits that the only of a museum
that were going in the country right now. The half

(01:39:56):
of it's a Jewish Holocaust mugam. So the Go Go
Museum as a top flight museum in historic Anacostia and
build from the people bottom up. Therefore, we didn't have
to have nobody tell us what the name could be
and what we can do. But if the people don't
support it, there won't be no Go Go Museum. So
come out and support your own support something that came

(01:40:18):
from the people for the people. Buy the people with
the people. So an the concert has over three hundred
and fifty four black billage businesses in the in the
in the corridor are in buildings, their store frets, et cetera.
Come and visit what makes America great? Hi, the Black experience.
You all have a blessed all right?

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Thanks Ron, Ron Morton from the Go Go Museum and
watching DC A conversation about that they're shooting down in
a temper started by conversing with Elma Holmes Norton to
rename a post office in a Chuck Brown, the godfather
of Go Go. As I mentioned this, it's ten alf
the top now, Doctor Tyro Palace grind Rising, welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Thank you and thank you for having me. I've enjoyed
listening to the conversation you were just having or the discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Yeah, they're about the Go Go Museum about Congress. I
guess that's another reason why DC should become a state,
help us outre civically. Is that possible? Do you think
that's the possibility that DC could become a state or
is always going to be a federal district?

Speaker 14 (01:41:20):
Well, I think it can. It's an evolutionary process. And
we've talked about this before everything and it's really what
I got a great education on an extended educational When
our works counter intelligence and counter terrorism with the FBI,
everything is strategically in place, so there are steps you
have to put in place to create the kind of
pressure and the kind of attention. It has to be consistent,

(01:41:42):
and it has to be some perseverance involved, but there
has to be some strategy put in place to.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Get that done.

Speaker 14 (01:41:50):
And even with what you were just talking about, the
naming of buildings and locations, that strategic too. I mean,
you've got Dallas Airport, and everybody know that Alan John
Foster Dollas created over through governments, killed people, led to assassinations,
helped an assistant in the assassination of Patrice Lamumba, and
so I think in our process of making our arguments

(01:42:13):
for these things, we have to let people know that
we're intelligent enough to know that there are things named
for people who are involved in horrific, genocidal almost crimes,
because I don't think anyone would deny now, even if
they're a congress person. They damage that the Dellas brothers
cause in everywhere from the Congo to every continent in

(01:42:33):
Africa to what they tried to do in Cuba and
this nation in South America. But yet there's an airport
name for them. And in the case of the Deubas
International Airport, it's named for them in spite of the
fact that we have BWI fairgud Marshall. But the Bwi's
before third good Marshall, Doallas and Reagae nationals have the
name of these people first. And in our particular case,

(01:42:56):
consistent with our history in this nation, we've got bwis
that if their good Marshall b Wi, we've got Bwi
their good marshals. So even in the name of that
airport and the strict chief strategy it took to even
get his name up there, it's kind of subjugated. And
then when you hear people talk about that airport, they'll
say b Wi because it's not the same as putting
the name first. And so there's some strategies that have

(01:43:19):
to put in place in history that we have to know,
and then some arguments that we have to make before
legislative groups and before others that would what would allow
us to talk about historical comparisons. And then I think
we can get the momentum where people will say, if
this can happen, then why can't this happen if we
have this airport named that the people who are essentially

(01:43:40):
wrecked the world, And then we're still dealing with the
athembat of that and pe places like the Congo where
there's wars going on now based on what the Devils
brothers there with the Belgians and killing patrisea movement destroying
that country. It's in the middle of a not only
a health or starvation crisis, but not only in the
middle of a civil war, not only of the middle
of sexual violence and mass violence. But it's still all

(01:44:03):
that goes back to the Trumaniz and Howard Kennedy administration
and the Douvist brothers, and yet they got an airport
named after them. So I think we have to let
people know what we know when we know it. When
we make these arguments have to be strategic arguments, and
they have to be done in a fashion that they
understand that we understand why this should be done, why

(01:44:24):
this could can be done, and why it has been
done in spite of the petty or the regulations that
they put in place to say it can't be done
because of this. I think that's so important everything I
think that we do, and I talk to my students
about this all the time, and then we'll get further
into it today in our conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
It has to be strategy.

Speaker 14 (01:44:47):
Emotion is an extraordinary major asset. Were all emotional because
they're human beings. It's difficult for human beings not to
have emotions, but we have to add a strategy to that,
and there have to be people in place that under
stay in the psychological makeup of human beings so that
we can put strategies in place to get us advocates
that help us move towards whatever goal we're trying to achieve.

(01:45:11):
And that's the importance and significance of education. We discussed
over and over on your program and on other programs.
If we are ever to change anything in this nation
in terms of our community and the things we want,
the people we want in leadership, is going to start
with education. The educational institutes are the done rightly, are

(01:45:32):
the best anti crime, anti ignorance, anti violence institutions that
we have, and in some places we have control of them.
But I don't think we recognize what the boys said
when he said that educators are like brain surgeons. They
must be experts in their field because they have the
possibility of changing the nation. Nelson Mandela said the same thing,

(01:45:53):
the student of the Honorableloji Muhammad and Malcolm X said
the exact same thing. And we seem to make more
emotional moves that we do strategic moves, and strategic moves
require some education.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
All right, family, I guess they've just haven't figured out yet.
It's former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers. You got a
question for Doctor Powers about any issue, Just reach out
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight to seventy six into us favorite. Call up a
couple of French and tell them Doctor Powers is on
the radio. They'll appreciate It'll learn something today about the
airport's been all the three of those airports. And just

(01:46:28):
notice what he mentioned that Thirdod Marshall bwi Edrew, the
one in in Baltimore, that his name is second. White
guys their names are first. I wonder how many people
that you know knew that lot myself. We've been through
all these airports and never really took you know, it
just you know, just never noticed it. But thank you
for sharing that with us, Doctor Powers. Listen, we got
to take a step aside for a few moments. When

(01:46:48):
we come back though, Doctor Powers, I want to get
to your thoughts on what's going on with this, the
shooting down of these these alleged drug boats around Venezuela.
I want to get to your thoughts on how it's
going down and also the aftermath, because now it seems
people it seems to changing the having amnesia what went on,
and they're trying to cover up for folks. I want
to get you with your thoughts on that. Family YouTube

(01:47:08):
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next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us
on this Monday morning, and thank you sewing a week
with us. Are twenty minutes after the top of that guest,
the former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Palace. So, doctor Powers,
the question is what do you see what's going down

(01:47:29):
and these attached on these so called drug boats near Venezuela.

Speaker 14 (01:47:33):
Yeah, well, clearly, I think I don't think anybody would
would would disagree. Any logical person looking at the laws
of this particular nation or the international community or the
e win that these are not only illegal and constitutional,
but acts of acts of war. Obviously you want to
do which is interesting, but we can talk about that too.

(01:47:54):
We want to do some some drug interdiction. You want
to keep drugs from out of this particular nation. But
I think I mentioned to you one time before. It's
a quick aside, and I was working and as a
special agent with the FBI working against international drug organizations.
In fact, I actually work the Freeway Ricky Ross case,
which is the youngmen in California work with the CIA

(01:48:16):
to bring drugs into the particular nation. When you work
in these particular cases, you clearly understand that there are
two sides to that particular coin. That there are people
who benefit from drugs coming into the nation, and some
of them were in positions of power, and there's other
people who are clearly harmed by that. And you also

(01:48:36):
understand that this nation has an extreme addiction problem. So
they are always going to be people trying to get
drugs here. And that's why I'm going to get back
to how we prevent that. But there are always people
who are going to try to bring here. Like I
said before, fifty two percent of all the cocaine in
the entire world, not in this nation, but in the
entire world, has consumed the United States of America. So

(01:48:58):
we are a nation of that. We are a market
that people know that people want to escape their reality,
whether it's through alcohol or drugs or some other substance.
People in this country are more likely to want to
escape their reality through substance than they are to change
their reality through policy practices and protests. And so because

(01:49:19):
we are such an addicted nation. And what I mean
is not only addiction in terms of illegal drugs, but
legal drugs. Every commercial you see on the evening, it's
talking about some drugs. You've got talent A one, Talent
now two, chal and Aw three, kalan Aw, Migraine, night time, gaytime,
coal medicine. But in reality, and I'm not saying that
those things don't have their benefit, but the reality of

(01:49:40):
the matter is that every single day what has sold
to us and especially to the minds of our children,
who are not as mature as we are and cannot
discern what is being said like we can.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
As if for.

Speaker 14 (01:49:53):
Any single problem you have, for any ache and pain,
for any discomfort, drugs is a solution. And alcohol and
cocaine and heroin are drugs that to some extent allow
people to escape their reality rather than change their reality
in reality. When I was working when I was working
with the FBI and we were doing drug contradiction. We

(01:50:13):
knew that crack cocaine had been actually manufactured and presented
and developed in certain countries in Peru and Bolivia so
that they could have a wider audience. Here cocaine was
actually a drug for their relatively wealthy because at that
point when I was working these cases, and also cocaine

(01:50:33):
was two thousand dollars between the average person.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Couldn't buy it.

Speaker 14 (01:50:36):
So they came up with this concept of creating crack
at ten dollars a pop that everybody could afford. And
they realized that once they got people addicted, they would
get the same amount they would get for the high
costing drug like the ounce of cocaine. Because once people
are addicted, they would rob their mother, they would sell
their bodies, they would sell their families out in order
to get high because they were addicted, addicted.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
Addiction is so strong.

Speaker 14 (01:50:59):
So we've already knew that, and the reality of the
matter is that there was any sincerity to this Historically,
then a long time ago, this nation would have dealt
with Bolivia and Peru where crack cocaine was invented, made
and transported, rather than helping those particular countries transport that
drug into communities, into black communities, as we now know

(01:51:20):
from the history and the documents to be released not
only by people outside the government, by.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
People inside the government.

Speaker 14 (01:51:27):
So to say that we could use military force that
we use against nations that you have actually declared warn
and again, Congress is the only entity that can declare war,
that declare war. To say you can use that method
to stop these drugs coming into this nation, and it's
a very noble thing, is to ignore all the history

(01:51:47):
of what we did with Bolivia and Peru, allowing crack
in the communities, allowing through a Ricky Rosso I had
a conversation with to put drugs into our community. This
is a whole nother agenda.

Speaker 4 (01:51:59):
This is a gender.

Speaker 14 (01:52:00):
Is this president and this administration going after every nation
in the world who does not bow down to this
administration and this president, then they would do it under
our species of fighting the drug war. But if we
truly were interested in an interdiction turning those boats around,
I mean, even Kennedy during the Cuban missile crisis said

(01:52:20):
I'm gonna put a blockade up to keep Russian ships
from going into Cuba. He didn't say I'm a bomb
Russian ships or bomb people who are bringing nuclear weapons,
not drugs, but bringing nuclear weapons into Cuba. Even his
solution was, but we can't fire upon these particular boats
bringing these items to Cuba to set up nuclear weapons.
We at least got to set up a blockade, set

(01:52:42):
up another method of stopping them from being successful, rather
than doing extra jurisdictional or judicial assassinations and killings and
then second bombing to them.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
So there's a whole lot to that.

Speaker 14 (01:52:55):
But here's the other thing I would say about that, Carl,
is that we don't have a strong voice in the
Congression of Black Caucus or other people other legislative, state, local,
national because it could be despite this being such a
horrific use of power and force which has nothing to
do with interdicting and changing the drug culture, this is

(01:53:18):
an opportunity for us to highlight the issues of the
drug culture in our community. So if this president is
saying we're doing this to keep drugs off the streets
of our cities, this is our time for us to
raise our voice to talk about other methods, techniques, and tactics.
It would keep our young people from using drugs and
participating in the drug trade using that momentum, which is

(01:53:40):
a lie in our favor.

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
And this is why I always talk about.

Speaker 14 (01:53:44):
Strategies in these particular situations. Again, we have an addicted nation.
This is the time for us to talk about the
fact that fifty two percent of all the cocaine in
the world is consumed here, That we have heroin from
Afghanistan on the streets of Baltimore and Washington, DC, when
we don't have any planes sleep believe in Afghanistan and
coming to the United States. And now even he's even

(01:54:04):
got a policy to keep Ascanian Afghanistan refugees because of
the shooting in DC, out of this particular country. This
is a time for us to have that broader conversation. Sometimes,
if you've ever been in the court, sometimes a judge
won't allow a witness to testify to certain things unless
the other side open it up, and the judge will say, well,

(01:54:26):
it's allowed now because you've opened that conversation. So while
we are addressing this particular extra judicial and extra jurisdictional conversation,
this war like behavior, and we already know the origin
of it. It's not really to stop drugs from entering
into the country, but let's use that momentum in our
favor and begin to have wider discussions. So this is

(01:54:48):
when the leadership of the Congression of Black Caucus or
any caucuses or other political leaders, whether they're local mayors, legislators,
people at colleges and universities, HBCUs, this is our opportunity. Okay,
you want to have this conversation. We've got some things
to say too. In the midst of.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
Still addressing the the war like and the illegal, unconstitutional
and violation of you in regulations which is happening with
these bombing of these these ships coming out of Venezuela
without any due process, without any evidence to say we
know drugs on these boat. Even if you even when

(01:55:27):
we do police raids in the United States and drug
houses technically we know it doesn't always happen there violations
of the law.

Speaker 14 (01:55:35):
You have to justify how you know what you know?
What intelligence do you have to say there's drugs on
that boat, that this drug that this individual is heading
from here, and if you're going to get the boat
in the middle of the ocean, why not tell us
the routes has taken How you know what you know?
Where did you get this information from. Is that from
the Central.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency?

Speaker 14 (01:55:58):
Is it from the FBI? It should be entities and
people in positions of power demanding more information on how
this occurre. Is not just asking, but demanding more information
on how this recurre and law seats in the court.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
Thirty minutes after the top of that, that guest doctor
Taron Powers, Doctor pos, I want to talk to you
about the Ricky Ross effort, because you know, some people know,
when I know everybody knows. He actually broke that story.
His brother David would call out station just every day
just on exaggerating, but he called quite a little bit,
tell us my brother's innocence. He was framed. It was
Blandon And one of these days he wanted to speak.

(01:56:34):
Concerant Waters was on with us, and he wanted to
speak to her, and you know, I let him speak
to her. This is off there and he told her.
She said okay. And then Dick Gregor calling again when
Dick Gregor was on, and he talked about it again.
At the same time, young man who's going back to
visiting la and going back to Santos, and he says,
its are right, and he calls and says, I'm going
to do that. Dick Gregory laid out a challenge so

(01:56:54):
that you know, you need an investigative journalist to do it.
I'm going to do it, and that was Gary Webb.
We thought about it, you know, didn't think about too
much back because okay, he's going to do it. Every
now and then he would send me a note or
call me and he said, I'm still working on that story.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
I met with David who was Ricky's brother, and he
got all the information about Blond Dawn and all this
kind of stuff. So when he finally finished his first article,
he faxed me. The article was early in the morning.
Was they're like four o'clock in the morning. He says,
get this to Congressman Waters. The Democratic Convention was taking
place in Chicago. We had one of our reporters there
and I told her to go the standard fax machine

(01:57:29):
and give me the number and get this to Congress
from Waters. And she's like, can you read Can I
read it? Before I give it to her? I said,
you can read it, but just forget what you what
you read, because he was you know, this is the
first article. All these articles he did publishing The Santa
Jose Mercury News became dark lines. He put it in
a book. Anyway, that's how it got to congresmrom Waters.
This is how it all started. In fact, the CIA

(01:57:50):
call up our radio stations told us they wanted to
meet with us. I didn't go to the meeting. Then
they wanted to have a meeting with a community, and
they tried to get me to come to that. The
Coke used to be with us at the station at time,
and Cocha says, no, don't go because they it's going
to try and use you guys to validate that they're
not bringing in the drugs into the country. So we
didn't go to that meeting either. But my question to you,

(01:58:11):
I'll say all that because you said you worked on this,
because I know Ricky very well speak to them all
the time since he got out. But my question, at
what point did you find out that this country, this
government was bringing drugs into our community?

Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
Well, I think there's no Listen, the.

Speaker 14 (01:58:26):
Interesting thing about that, and I'm so glad you just
shaid what you said with the audience is that it
was kind of we've known that for a very long time.
If we go back and this is what I keep
harping on this. This is the importance and significance of
our research and our education, and of course the research
and all that you all did, and what the book.

Speaker 4 (01:58:48):
Did in the Dark Alliance.

Speaker 14 (01:58:50):
Even during the Viep Now conflict, the CIA was supplying
soldiers with heroin because they thought they could better deal
with the horrific conditions that were in Viep Now when
you had a different kind of unconventional and guerrilla warfare.
They were actually in order to keep the troops fighting
because they had gotten this method from Adolf Hitler during

(01:59:10):
World War Two, where he put his soldiers on cocaine
to get a energy so they could fight all day
and all night. The CIA didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:59:17):
Discourage that behavior. They said, well, if that makes better
soldiers or better fighters, we're actually.

Speaker 14 (01:59:22):
Going to do the same thing in Vietnam. So the
philosophy the drugs can influence policy practices and destroy communities
have gone on a long time in this nation, and
was one of the first advocates of it was Adolf Hitler.
When they decided to put drugs what he thought was
mitigating the effectiveness of the fighting force in the United States.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
He was going to put drugs into passe here in
the United.

Speaker 14 (01:59:46):
States so that they could reduce the likelihood of when
we recruited people into the military they would be able
to fight because they wouldn't be drug free, but they
were going to put drugs. It would hinder their performance
rather than enhance their performance, which he believed that certain
drugs did for his particular soldiers doing World War Two
would had them go into battles and take on fire

(02:00:08):
and take on tanks and canyons because they were under
the influence of drugs. So we've known this for a
very long time. When I was in the FBI, I
was specifically a science to a group of agents in Cincinnati, Ohio,
and at that particular time they opened an investigation with

(02:00:28):
what they called the DEA Cask Force, which is a
group of FBI agents DEA agents, Global police officers, and
we worked the case in Cincinnati because the philosophy was
that the crack cocaine that was coming out of La
delivered through this CIA connection with Ricky Ross and others
with noun spreading across the nation, and they were targeting

(02:00:51):
these rolled areas. The area that they targeted in Cincinnati
was Lincoln Heights, which is outside of right outside of Cincinnati,
right across from the factory which makes the engine for
Air Force one. There's a small community called Lincoln Heights, Ohio,
which was essentially totally black. And at that time we
had gotten intelligence information that Ricky Ross was setting up

(02:01:13):
an operation in Cincinnati, or that his people were setting
up in operation, that it was going to be in
Lincoln Heights, Ohio. That they were using the residence of
this old man who was involved in was a pedophile.
And the reason they were using his house is because
they knew that he couldn't go to law enforce its
because he was abusing little young boys and young girls

(02:01:34):
or paying young boys and young girls to have sex
in front of him. So they realized that if we
use his residents, he couldn't go to the police because
he was involved in this type of behavior itself. So
we set up an entire operation in Lincoln Heights, Ohio.
The goal was to at that particular point. And I've
talked to Ricky Ross about this. Actually he called me
soon as he got out of prison and said he

(02:01:55):
had read my book in prison and the impact it
had on him. But any rate, he never showed up.
The fact of the matter is the drug operation was
still running out of the house. The idea was that
he would show up at some point and oversee the operation,
and he never showed up. And as the DA FBI
Task Force, we worked that particular case at that time,

(02:02:15):
and during a course of working that case, we recognized
and realized that the drugs that he was getting and
was able to transport across the nation. Because let me
just say something to you, it's not just the selling
of drugs to have the ability to transport drugs. We
know about the Cocaine Highway, which is from Miami, Florida,

(02:02:35):
all the way up to New York, which is how
drugs come in through Miami. They go up the Cocaine Highway.
All the law enforcement agencies watched ninety five from Miami
all the way up to New York.

Speaker 4 (02:02:47):
Because that's considered cocaine. That's how drugs go up and
down the East Coast.

Speaker 14 (02:02:50):
They use everything from senior citizens who have a fixed
income because senior citizens are not likely to be stopped,
so they give them a certain amount of money to
put drugs in the trunk. They said, you never have
to look at it. Drive this car from Florida to
New York, then take another car and come back down here.
You never have to look in the trunk. The police
are not likely to stop singior citizens, and if they

(02:03:12):
are likely to stop sing your citizens, they're not likely
to look in the trunk or vehicles and cars. We
all are familiar with that. But to transport drugs and
cocaine the way it was being done from a place
like Los Angeles, California, to Cincinnati, Ohio, to Cincinnati, Ohio,
which is from the West coast to the Midwest and
into the East coast, is a very intricate operation, and

(02:03:32):
you need more than just individuals who what we used
to call drug barys on the corner to carry that out.
So we knew it was more of a sophisticated operation,
that there had to be some people involved in it
who were very sophisticated. And then as you talked about
with Dark Alliance, when that came out, it all made sense.
But in reality, a lot of the groups that work drugs,

(02:03:53):
whether they were small sheriff departments or whether they were
DEAFBI Task Force or Violence Prime Task Force, kind of
knew that these people were being assisted by a greater entity,
and the drugs were such a major part of the
capitalist system of the United States of America that at
the same time we had to do the window dressing

(02:04:15):
of fighting drugs. There was no grand effort to stop
drugs from coming into the United States. It was actually
a major part of the economic development, which is why
Reagan used it in the Iran conscious scand who you know,
even with the drug market there back and forth, because
it was a part of way of getting things funded.
And if you could mainly keep it in communities of

(02:04:39):
people of color, then there was no nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
Yeah, doctor Palace, Although I got a bunch of questions
for you, especially with the freeway Ricky Ross family, you
want to join this conversation with I guess that former
FBON agent doctor turn Pals reached out to us at
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and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks are starting your weekly listen our guest doctor Tarum Powers,
Doctor Powers, as a retired FBI agent, saw the spookers
out of the door. Before we go back to him, though,
let me just remind you coming up, coming up this week,
we're going to have folks like civil rights activists Willy
mukassa Rix who seemed Willie Rixy March with doctor King
John Lewis, Kwame Terray and all those folks. He's going

(02:05:27):
to be with us. Also, a natural padic doctor is
a natural and a medical doctor traditional doctor doctor a
will to also join us. And one of Malcolm's daughters,
actually his third daughter, doctor Yasha Shabaz, will be here
as well. And Professor May new one Pin from Contracosta
College out in northern California. We'll check in. So if
you're in Baltimore, make sure you RADI us lot in
tight on ten ten w LB. We're from the DMV

(02:05:49):
run fourteen fifty WL. So Doctor Powers, I'll let you
finish your thought.

Speaker 14 (02:05:54):
Yeah, now, I was, I was, I was kind of
going back over that that history and what we've always
known in this particular issue. I remember when during the
Reagan administration when they asked Nancy Reagan a question and
it was her answer was so trite. They said, well,
how are you going to stop the drug trade?

Speaker 4 (02:06:15):
And she said, just say no.

Speaker 14 (02:06:16):
And what she was saying people took it as well,
that's not it a solution.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
That's not.

Speaker 14 (02:06:20):
What she was saying is that in this particular nation,
this nation that is addicted on drugs, the drug trade
is never going to stop. I don't care how many
what which is not histruy purpose ships you a boat
you bomb coming out of Venezuela, because this nation wants drugs.
And the only thing is back to the law of
economics applying demand. And the only way you reduce the

(02:06:43):
likelihood of drugs being in this country or devastating or
destroying our communities, not only our communities, our families with
domestic violence and everything else, is to keep our young people,
via the education system, well via education in general, from
ever using drugs. And what she was saying is, I
don't give it them. What you do, we don't get
drugs in this country. People were thinking that it was

(02:07:06):
a very milk toast kind of reply and solution that
she was given. Where she was given you was truth
that unless you stopped the demand in this particular nation,
this nation, the capitalist system the economic system in this
nation all the way back to prohibition and alcohol and
how the Kennedys gained their wealth and then becoming presidents

(02:07:26):
and attorney generals of the United States. Was doing was
based on illicit substances, substances.

Speaker 4 (02:07:32):
That were illegal. If they were legal, they couldn't have.

Speaker 14 (02:07:35):
Built a fortune. So what she was saying that they're
always going to be drugs in this nation, and the
only likelihood of it not impacting our communities or changing
our conditions or adding to the prison industrial complex is
that if somehow we can convince young people to don't

(02:07:56):
escape their reality through alcohol and drugs, but to to
change their reality, as all those organizations that you and
I are familiar with calling that you have so many
guests or from, whether it was the Old SELC or
Snake or any of those other organizations were trying to do.
Those people weren't advocating the use of drugs to change
the reality. They were advocating the change in our community.

(02:08:19):
The Breakfast for Children program, or the Black Panther Party
for Self Defense, or what the Nation of Islam were
doing with the honorable Elijah Muhammas. None of those solutions
involved taking drugs. All those solutions involved being sober, and
in reality, those who have wanted us to either be
pitted against each other, whether organization and I'm talking about

(02:08:39):
put it against each other at every level, from the streets,
whether it's the crypts or the Bloods or the Black
Gorilla family, or the higher level where politicians are calling
each other name, or the mediums out where radio hosts
are so antagonistic towards each other. They always wanted us
to be divided. If we ever came up with a
common solution to a problem, as the student of Honorable

(02:09:02):
Elija Muhammad and Malcolm X used to say all the time,
then they were going to be in trouble in this,
in this in this particular nation.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
All right, I hope you mentioned what he said. They're
always trying to divide us, and they're using groups right
now to do the same thing. It's fourteen after before
the top day. I got to ask you this though,
and I get criticized sometimes when I bring Ricky Ross
on the radio, because they blame anybody who's black persons
addicted all white cocaine is probably Ricky Ross. It's where
he started. He would be called the ray Kroc of

(02:09:32):
crack cocaine. Ray Kroc is a guy who met in
McDonald's at a McDonald's stand in San Diego, and all
of a sudden, now it's international. If you had a
crack in your community, would be Houston, Cleveland, whatever, Miami
is probably because of Ricky Ross. He had this network
set up. So my question to you, doctor Powers, did
the governor know about his network of getting the drugs

(02:09:53):
out of LA all across the country or did they
help him? How did that work out?

Speaker 3 (02:09:57):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (02:09:57):
Can he share that with us?

Speaker 5 (02:09:59):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (02:10:00):
Unequivocally.

Speaker 14 (02:10:00):
I mean, think about it, and and I and I
and I don't this. This is not to mitigate the
intelligence of a Ricky Ross or anyone else, but you
can't put together that kind of operational apparatus, whether legal
or illegal, without support structure, UH transport methods and routes,

(02:10:22):
just like you do. The North i am defeated the
South Yepese by having certain routes that they took because
the US was bombing all these pathways and all. That
takes a lot of strategic planning and it would take
more than a freeway. Ricky. This doesn't mitigate the ability
his ability or what he did or didn't and we

(02:10:43):
we talked about that. We had a great conversation about that.
And you can't have every conversation on the radio, but
we had a great conversation about that. But you can't
mitigate the significant impact and role of the government. I mean,
I said this to you before, and I and I
and I would testify to this before any group or
community or any entergy in a part of art. The
reality of the matter is, in many cases, when I

(02:11:05):
was working with the FBIDA Task Force, we knew people
were dealing drugs in the community, that supervisors would always
come back and say, well, just let them keep dealing,
keep building cases so that when we get them they
can get twenty five to life. If we get them today,
they may get probation because they've only been dealing about
six months. So they let the dealing go ahead. They
let people become addicted, they let the drugs into the community,

(02:11:28):
but they use the excuse or the reason that we're
trying to build a stronger case. And in reality, during
the course of trying to build a straying the stronger case,
more people were becoming addicted, young people, children, parents, involved
in domestic violence households and not conducive for living or learning,
and students going to school without food, clothing, shelter, or

(02:11:50):
their next meal because of the drug addiction in situations
that could have been stopped and interceded and intercepted very
early on.

Speaker 4 (02:11:59):
But then the philosophy was always, well, if we wait
a year, he think that he's getting away with this.
He thinks that he's As I said before, that people
were sending secret messages or codes through their phones, and
all they had to go to the SCC satellite which
was trans transcribed by the FCC and given to the FBI,

(02:12:20):
so we knew what people were going before they. I
don't care what secret code you put in. This is
a nation of code breakers.

Speaker 14 (02:12:26):
They broke the German Cold during World War Two in
order to think German submarines. And all of a sudden,
you think that some street level dealer or some street
that will persons got some secret code that can break
the ability of people who are experts and breaking ecryptions,
who have been.

Speaker 4 (02:12:43):
Doing it since World War One and World War Two.
You think that you are smarter than them.

Speaker 14 (02:12:49):
You are doing what they have allowed you to do.
Because it's impacted a certain community greater than any other community,
and certainly they're going to be arrest and they're gonna
be mass arrests because the phosphaved of looking like we're
fighting a drug war has to take place with their reality.
The only time we began to become more serious and
upset about this when this plague, which was supposed to

(02:13:11):
stay in underserved black communities or communities of color or
poor white communities, begin to go into other communities. Now
we have opioid lawsuits and opiard concentration and focus has
always been a part.

Speaker 10 (02:13:26):
Of the plan.

Speaker 4 (02:13:26):
There's no greater.

Speaker 14 (02:13:29):
Way to stop the progress of black organizations, a black people,
a black progress, than to enthuse them with substances that
keep them from being sober at a time when they
most need to be sober. They keep them from properly
educating their children, or put children in households that are
not conducive for living, learning or loving or making progress.

(02:13:53):
If I take care, even if the child is not addicted,
if I've got the mother and father who are addicted,
then I control the future of that household, and I
control the future of that community. And it's a very
effective strategy. And whether we want to admit it or not.
We've got to admit that it has worked successfully because
we haven't come up with a counter strategy, but I
won't counter terrorism. One of my super advisors doing to

(02:14:16):
come we were in he went back to the academy
to study of count of terrorism. He said, there's no
need of us having a counter terrorism unit unless we
completely understand terrorism. And there's no need of us having
a counter philosophy to change in better our communities unless
we understand how it was done in the first place.

Speaker 4 (02:14:36):
So that was the importance of having and interviewing and
talking to a Ricky Ross or here in Baltimore or
Little Melbourne.

Speaker 14 (02:14:43):
They did tremendous damage to our community, tremendous damage to families,
but we can't hit rewind on that. What we can
do is learn how they were used, what the process was,
what they did in the process, so we can count.
We can be angry with them, but anger is in emotion,
it's not a but at the same time we're angry
with them, we've got to understand how it was done. Listen,

(02:15:05):
after World War Two, the Pentagon, but in Nazi generals,
one of them demanded to stay in his uniform and
where his arm crossed to work at CIA headquarters, so
the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency could better understand how
the Germans built this massive war machine. So the people
who were putting Jewish people in evans, who were killing

(02:15:26):
people across the world, we actually gave a job and
let them stay in their Nazi uniforms here because the
information they was despite their devastating, their devastation, despite how
much damage they had, called the information that they were
given was so valuable that we were willing to bring
them in to get the information. So how can we
not talk to a Ricky Ross or a Little Melvin

(02:15:48):
or anyone else despite the devastation, And we're we're not
mitigating the devastation they cost in the community. We're saying,
if we can't hit, rewind on that. But if we
are to prevent this going forward, we need all the
intelligence strategies understanding of operations, systems and structures that we
can get rather than just being angry. Because it's an emotion.

(02:16:09):
And like I said, anger is an emotion. We all
have it, but anger is not a solution.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
Sending away from the top there. I'm glad you said that,
because if people are getting on my case of bringing
Ricky on our song. Ricky was used avers functionally literate,
He'll admit it. And if it wasn't Ricky Rashi, it'd
be somebody else and we wouldn't know what really went down.

Speaker 4 (02:16:29):
So we've gotta be willing to sit down and talk
to people who we don't like. I remember, if you
really read.

Speaker 14 (02:16:37):
And study the history of the nation of Islam and
the honorable Linja Muhammad and the great work that he
did in this particular nation in this world and creating
someone like Malcolm X Malcolm.

Speaker 4 (02:16:47):
XLL, I'll sit down with the qcut Klan because I
need to know. I need to know how to count.
That you can't count what you don't fully understand. And
we're so upset and angry with people till we can't understand,
so we don't sit down and get information from them
and listen. Whatever his need is or whatever anybody else
need to mitigate their involvement in this particular situation. They

(02:17:11):
might come and say, well, during the course of that conversation,
in that interview, whatever denials they put in place, we
are still going to learn strategies, pathways and other methods
that will allow us to get better in the future.
It doesn't mean because Carl Nelson set down with freeway
Ricky Ross did he believe every single thing he said.
Carl Nelson is an interviewer. He's trying to get information

(02:17:33):
out to the community. He's trying to help the community
develop strategies so we don't go forward doing this. So
it doesn't matter whether you like him or dislike him,
whether love We're not trying to develop.

Speaker 14 (02:17:44):
A relationship or not dating or trying to get married.
We're trying to get strategies, information, pathways and historical events
that occurred so that we don't repeat those particular events.
And our community has to become sophisticated enough to understand
that we can sit down with the death to learn
the devil's ways till he doesn't make our children the
children of the devil.

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
A sea. That got a tweet question for you from
Marko Mannaheim, and Mark says, first, he says hello, and
he said the three organizations most responsible for what is
happening to this nation are the Council of National Policy
the CNP, the Western Goals Foundation WGF, and the John
Birch Society JBS. And they have direct ties to the

(02:18:27):
dark Enlightenment. He says, the moment's creative of John Birch
Society during the nineteen fifties. How did you navigate within
the FBI with the ever present FBI Mormon mafia? And
I tell you what hold that thought? They I'll let
you respond when we get back. I'm looking at the clock.
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(02:18:48):
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Doctor Powers has a retired FBI agent saw the spookers
out of the door. Before we go back to him, though,
let me just remind you coming up, coming up this week,
we're going to have folks like civil rights activists Willy Mulcassa,

(02:19:09):
Rixie Seemed, Willie Rixy Marsh with Doctor King and John Lewis,
Kwame Terray and all those folks. He's going to be
with us. Also, a natural pathic doctor is a natural
and a medical doctor traditional doctor, doctor A Wild also
joined us, and one of Malcolm's daughters, actually his third daughter,
doctor Yasha Shabaz, will be here as well, and Professor
May new one Pin from Contracosta College out in northern California.

(02:19:31):
We'll check in. So if you're in Baltimore, make sure
you're radious, locked in tight on ten ten w LB
or from the DMV run fourteen fifteen w L. So
doctor Powers, I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 14 (02:19:42):
Yeah, now, I was, I was, I was kind of
going back over that, that history and what we've always
known in this particular issue. I remember when during the
Reagan administration when they asked Nancy Reagan a question and
it was her answer was so tried. They said how
you're going to stop the drug trade, and she said,

(02:20:03):
just say no. And what she was saying people took
it as well, that's not it a solution. That's not
what she was saying is that in this particular nation,
this nation that is addicted on drugs, the drug trade
is never going to stop.

Speaker 4 (02:20:15):
I don't care how many.

Speaker 14 (02:20:18):
Which is not his true purpose. Ships you a boat,
you bomb coming out of Venezuela, because this nation wants drugs,
and the only thing is back to the law of economics,
apply and demand, And the only way you reduce the
likelihood of drugs being in this country or devastating or
destroying our communities, not only our communities, our families with
domestic violence and everything else, is to keep our young people,

(02:20:41):
via the education system, well via education in general, from
ever using drugs. And what she was saying is, I
don't give it them what you do, we don't get
drugs in this country. People were thinking that it was
a very milk toast kind of reply and solution that
she was given. What she was given you is truth
that unless you stopped the demand in this particular nation,

(02:21:04):
this nation, the capitalist system, the economic system in this
nation all the way back to prohibition and alcohol and
how the Kennedys gained their wealth and then becoming presidents
and attorney generals of the United States was doing was
based on illicit substances, substances.

Speaker 4 (02:21:20):
That were illegal.

Speaker 14 (02:21:21):
If they were legal, they couldn't have built a fortune.

Speaker 4 (02:21:23):
So what she was saying that they're always going to
be drugs.

Speaker 14 (02:21:27):
In this nation and the only likelihood of it not
impacting our communities or changing our conditions or adding to
the prison industrial complex, is that if somehow we can
convince young people to don't escape their reality through alcohol
and drugs, but to change their reality. As all those

(02:21:51):
organizations that you and I are familiar with calling that
you have so many guests or from, whether it was
the Old SELC or Snake or any of those other
organizations were trying to those people weren't advocating the use
of drugs to change the reality. They were advocating the
change in our community. The Breakfast for Children program or
the Black Panther Party for self defense, or what the
Nation of Islam were doing with the honorable Elijah Muhammas.

(02:22:13):
None of those solutions involved caching drugs. All those solutions
involved being sober and in reality, those who have wanted
us to either be pitted against each other, whether organization
and I'm talking about, put it against each other at
every level, from the streets, whether it's the crypts or
the bloods of the Black Gorilla Family, or the higher
level where politicians are calling each other name, or the

(02:22:36):
mediums out of where radio hosts are so.

Speaker 4 (02:22:40):
Antagonistic towards each other. They always wanted us to be divided.
If we ever came up with a common solution to
a common problem, as the student of Honorable Elijah Muhammad
and Malcolm X used to say all the time, then
they were going to be in trouble in this in
this particular nation.

Speaker 1 (02:22:57):
All right, Sam, I hope you mentioned what he said.
They're always trying to divine at us and they're using
groups right now to do the same thing. It's fourteen
after before the top day. I got to ask you
this though, and I get criticized sometimes when I bring
Ricky Ross on the radio because they blame anybody who's
black person is addicted all white cocaine is probably Ricky Ross.
It's where he started. He would be called the Ray

(02:23:18):
Kroc of the crack cocaine. Ray Kroc is a guy
who met in McDonald's at a McDonald's stand in San Diego,
and all of a sudden, now it's international. If you
had a crack in the your community would be Houston, Cleveland, whatever,
Miami is. Probably because of Ricky Ross. He had this
network set up. So my question to you, doctor Powers,
did the governor know about this network of getting the

(02:23:40):
drugs out of LA all across the country or did
they help him. How did that work out?

Speaker 3 (02:23:44):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (02:23:45):
Can you share that with us?

Speaker 14 (02:23:47):
Absolutely, unequivocally, I mean, think about it, and I don't.
This is not to mitigate the intelligence of a Ricky
Ross or anyone else, but you can't put together that
kind of operational apparatus, whether legal or illegal, without support structure,
transport methods and routes just like you do. And so

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the North I them defeated the South via Theese by
having certain routes that they took because the US was
bombing all these pathways and all. That takes a lot
of strategic planning and it would take more than a freeway.

Speaker 4 (02:24:23):
Riki.

Speaker 14 (02:24:24):
This doesn't mitigate the ability, his ability or what he
did or didn't And we talked about that. We had
a great conversation about that. And you can't have every
conversation on the radio, but we had a great conversation
about that. But you can't mitigate the significant impact and
role of the government. I mean, I said this to
you before, and I would testify to this before any

(02:24:47):
group or any community or any entity in the port
of art. The reality of the matter is in many cases,
when I was working with the FBI DA Task Force
we knew people were dealing drugs in the community, that
supervisor would always come back and say, well, just let
them keep dealing, keep building cases so that when we
get them they can get twenty five to life. If
we get them today, they may get probation because they've

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only been dealing about six months. So they let the
dealing go ahead. They let people become addicted, they let
the drugs into the community, but they use the excuse
or the reason that we're trying to build a stronger case.
And in reality, during the course of trying to build
a stray stronger case, more people were becoming addicted, young people, children,

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parents involved in domestic violence, households and not conducive for
living or learning, and students going to school without food, clothing, shelter,
or their next meal because of the drug addiction, in
situations that could have been stopped and interceded and intercepted
very early on. But then the philosophy was always, well,
if we wait a year, he thinks that he's getting

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away with this, he thinks that he's As I said before,
that people were sending secret messages are closed through their phones,
and all they had to go to the FCC satellite
which was trans transcribed by the FCC and given to
the FBI, so we knew what people were going before they.
I don't care what secret code you put in. This

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is a nation of code breakers. They broke the German
Cold during World War Two in order to think German submarines.
And all of a sudden, you think.

Speaker 4 (02:26:20):
That some street level dealer or some street that will
persons got some secret code that can break the ability
of people who are experts and breaking ecryptions, who have
been doing it since World War One and World War Two.
You think that you are smarter than them. You are
doing what they have allowed you to do, because it's
impacted a certain community greater than any other community. And

(02:26:42):
certainly they're going to be arrest and they're gonna be
mass arrests because the parshave of looking like we're fighting
a drug war has to take place with the reality.
The only time we began to become more serious and
upset about this when this plague, which was supposed to
stay in underserved of black communities or communities of color

(02:27:03):
or poor white communities, begin to go into other communities.

Speaker 7 (02:27:06):
Now we have.

Speaker 14 (02:27:08):
Opioid lawsuits and opi yard concentration and focus has always
been a part of the Planers.

Speaker 4 (02:27:14):
There's no greater.

Speaker 14 (02:27:17):
Way to stop the progress of black organizations, a black people,
a black progress, than to enthuse them with substances that
keep them from being sober at a time when they
most need.

Speaker 4 (02:27:29):
To be sober.

Speaker 14 (02:27:30):
They keep them from properly educating their children, or put
children in households that are not conduce it for living,
learning or loving or making progress. If I take care,
even if the child is not addicted, if I've got
the mother and father who are addicted, then I control
the future of that household, and I control the future
of that community. And it's a very effective strategy. And

(02:27:54):
whether we want to admit it or not, we've got
to admit that it has worked successfully because we haven't
come up with account strategy.

Speaker 4 (02:28:00):
But I won't counter terrorism. One of my super advisors,
doing the come we were in.

Speaker 14 (02:28:04):
He went back to the academy to study counter terrorism.
He said, there's no need of us having a counter
terrorism unit unless we completely understand terrorism, and there's no
need of us having a counter philosophy to change in
better our communities unless we understand how.

Speaker 4 (02:28:22):
It was done in the first place.

Speaker 14 (02:28:24):
So that was the importance of having and interviewing and
talking to a Ricky Ross or here in Baltimore, Little Melbourne.
They did tremendous damage to our community, tremendous damage to families,
But we can't hit rewind on that. What we can
do is learn how they were used, what the process was,
what they did in the process, so.

Speaker 4 (02:28:44):
We can count.

Speaker 14 (02:28:44):
We can be angry with them, but anger is in
emotion is not a solution. But at the same time
we're angry with them, we've got to understand how it
was done. Listen, after World War Two, the Pentagon, but
in Nazi generals. One of them demanded to stay in
his uniform where has a cross to work at CIA headquarters,
so the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency could better understand

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how the Germans built this massive war machine. So the
people who were putting Jewish people in evans, who were
killing people across the world, we actually gave a job
and let them stay in their Nazi uniforms here because
the information they was despite their devastating, their devastation, despite
how much damage they had, called, the information that they

(02:29:27):
were given was so valuable that we were willing to
bring them in to get the information. So how can
we not talk to a Ricky Ross or a Little
Melvin or anyone else despite the devastation And we're not
mitigating the devastation they cost in the community. We're saying,
if we can't hit rewind on that. But if we
are to prevent this going forward, we need all the

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intelligence strategies, understanding of operations, systems and structures that we
can get rather than just being angry, because it's an emotion,
and like I said, anglers and emotion we all have.

Speaker 4 (02:30:00):
But anger is not a solution.

Speaker 1 (02:30:03):
Sending away from the top of the I'm glad you
said that because if people are getting on my case
of bringing Ricky on our song, Ricky was used as
functionally literate. He'll admit it. And if it wasn't Ricky
ROSSI it'd be somebody else and we wouldn't know what
really went down.

Speaker 4 (02:30:16):
So we've gotta be willing to sit down and talk
to people who we don't like. I remember, if you
really read.

Speaker 14 (02:30:24):
And study the history of the nation of Islam and
the honorable line of Muhammad and the great work that
he get in this particular nation in this world, and
creating someone like Malcolm xim Ex, I'll sit down with
the Q cut Klan because I need to know.

Speaker 4 (02:30:39):
I need to know how to counter that. You can't
count what you don't fully understand.

Speaker 14 (02:30:43):
And we're so upset and angry with people till we
can't understand, till we don't sit down and get information
from them and listen. Whatever his need is or whatever
anybody else need to mitigate their involvement in this particular situation.

Speaker 3 (02:30:57):
I wasn't.

Speaker 14 (02:30:58):
They might come and say, well, during the course of
that conversation, in that interview, whatever denials they put in place,
we're still going to learn strategies, pathways, and other methods
that will allow us to get better in the future.
It doesn't mean because Carl Nelson sat down with Freeway
Ricky Ross did he believe every single thing he said.
Carl Nelson is an interviewer. He's trying to get information

(02:31:20):
out to the community. He's trying to help the community
develop strategies so we don't go forward doing this. So
it doesn't matter whether you like him or dislike him,
whether we're not trying to develop a relationship or not
dating or trying to get married. We're trying to get strategies,
information pathways, and historical events that occurred.

Speaker 4 (02:31:39):
So that we don't repeat those particular events. And our
community has to become sophisticated enough to understand that we
can sit down with the devil to learn the devil's
ways till he doesn't make our children the children of
the devil.

Speaker 1 (02:31:53):
A say to that, got a tweet question for you
from markam Anaheim, and Mark says, first, he says hello,
and he said, the three organizations most responsible for what
is happening to this nation are the Council of National
Policy the CNP, the Western Goals Foundation WGF, and the
John Birch Society JBS. And they have direct ties to

(02:32:14):
the dark Enlightenment, he says, the Mormon's creative the John
Birch Society during the nineteen fifties, How did you navigate
within the FBI with the ever present FBI Mormon mafia?
And I tell you what hold that thought? They I'll
let you respond when we get back. I'm looking at
the clock. We got a step aside so our stations
can identify themselves down the line. Family Youtubo can join
our conversation with doctor Tyrone Powers just reach out to

(02:32:36):
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seven six and were ticket phone calls. Next and Grand
Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Monday
morning with our guest, the former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers.
That doctor Powers mentioned he worked on that case with
Rick Ross and that you know the cocaine it was
brought into the country by the government. Before we do that,
and Ricky is on the line, by the way, doctor Powers,

(02:32:57):
I'll let you give a response to Mark's question. See
he says the Mormon's created John Brush decided during the fifties.
He wants you to how did you navigate within the
FBI with ever present FBI Mormon mafia.

Speaker 14 (02:33:10):
Well, I don't I don't know if it was just
a matter of the FBI had Mormon mafia. It was
a it was a difficult situation to navigate. But I
also if I was going too far, I had the
benefit of people who gave me some specific strategy. If
you read my book, I guess I didn't navigate it
as well as I thought because I was in the
vehicle that blew up that I writing a book I

(02:33:33):
truly blamed on the people who I was working for
and working with that and that particular agency. But initially
when I got in, I just used certain method strategies
and techniques to read everything I could. Some things were
eyes only. Sometimes I sat in the office pay at night,
ridden documents that I was not supposed to read, because
at some point I understood strategically there was no need

(02:33:54):
of going in there as a revolutionary and a red,
black and green flag. There was an operation that needed
to take place to bring back information to our community.
And I even knew call, and I think I mentioned
it just before I left the agency. I clearly understood
they were going to people in that be in our
community that was going to be considered me suspect. And
even even I remember that Steve Copley would go around

(02:34:17):
the nation said doctor Powell said this and this, and
he was involved in this, and that I wasn't. I
wasn't about the business of countering that. The only time
I even having opportunity or thought I had an opportunity
to sit down with him and told him the strategic
method of what I was doing was when brother Jabbari
of Conscious Views or Reality Speaks and Conscious has Barby
Shop tried to set up a meeting with us. I

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showed up, Copeley didn't. But the fact of the matter
is I anticipated all of that because I know how
it works to divide and conquer us. I know how
we are trained to resist information.

Speaker 4 (02:34:50):
That's even good for us strategically.

Speaker 14 (02:34:52):
And I understand how I was going to be perceived
having been a part of that particular agency. But my
mission wasn't to make people like me, to love me,
to embrace me anyway. My mission was to change the
lives of people in our community through meeting, sometimes public,
sometime private, meeting with gang members or individuals involved in

(02:35:13):
violence or in the drug trade to talk about ways
to strategically change our situation. I wasn't not even enough
to think I could do it for the entire nation,
but I knew I could have an impact, so I
And one way I would say I didn't navigate it
very well. And another way I think I navigated it
to a point where I could be an asset to

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our particular community, even if our community didn't recognize that
or didn't see that as such, I couldn't, I couldn't operate.
Tony Marrison, the great writer, one says you write not
to let Machie. She wrote all these books solo the
bluest side up. She said, you not you right not
to let people like you or let them respect you.

(02:35:54):
She said, you rite to inform, and you write within
your heart and in your head. And I took her
method in terms of writing, in terms of all of
my work and my life work that people were always
going to disagree. People are gonna disagree vehemently, and people
may even call you names, and so on and so forth.
I never called names back. I don't get in that process.

Speaker 4 (02:36:13):
That's two childish for me. That's what children do. I
just continue to do what I believe my mission was,
and continue.

Speaker 9 (02:36:18):
To do what my mission is.

Speaker 4 (02:36:19):
And that's how I navigated that time. I was there
all right.

Speaker 1 (02:36:23):
Before after the top. As I mentioned, we woke up.
Ricky is telling the conversation. He's online five Ricky grand Rising,
welcome to the program. Of course, we got doctor Tom Mow.

Speaker 10 (02:36:36):
How you doing, Tyrone.

Speaker 4 (02:36:37):
I think I read your book when I was in
I think I read your book when I was in prison. Yeah,
you did, and you called me afterwards. I think you
were driving at the time. You said you'd gotten my
number from someone out there in California and you called me.
We had a brief conversation. You may or may not
remember that, but we had a conversation then. And I
know recently, I think you were here in town with
Bridget Austin Smith when you came to town recently.

Speaker 10 (02:37:01):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 15 (02:37:03):
Yes, I've been doing I've been doing so much I
can't remember, but yes, I remember. I do remember reading
the book and and and how much it really touched me,
you know, just to know what uh you went through
as a as an agent of the of the government.

Speaker 10 (02:37:19):
And it's just.

Speaker 15 (02:37:21):
Surprising that in these days and ages that color still
has so much to do with how people are treated and.

Speaker 10 (02:37:32):
In the justice system for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:37:38):
Can I jump in here and ask you this question, though, Ricky,
at what point, because doctor Pallas, is that the defense
who were all over what your operation, they knew everything
that you would do, and you know it probably helped
you expand it. But what point did you get suspicious
that somehow this is this is just too easy, this
is just too good. Somebody must be creating avenues for

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me to spread the crack of who came through through
Black America. At what point did you figure out somebody
just a hidden hand working here.

Speaker 15 (02:38:07):
Well called you got to remember you dealing with a
guy that was pretty much an embecile when it came
down to understanding about life. You know, he talking about
somebody who couldn't read, couldn't write, Uh, didn't do well
in school, didn't watch the news, was very uneducated, but

(02:38:29):
inside of the streets, was very educated in the streets.
And you know, that's some of the stuff that I'm
trying to change right now. I'm trying to let our
young men know that the same education we use to
the streets, we can use to do anything that we
want to do. But I didn't know anything about, you know,

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the government being assistant to me. You know, you know
call we got egos. Yes, and you want to feel,
you want to feel that what you're doing was all
on you, that you the one to put that together,
the two, the one thought it out, that you the
one mapped it out, that you the reason that the

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money is coming in.

Speaker 10 (02:39:15):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (02:39:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:39:19):
What about your thought about Oh?

Speaker 14 (02:39:21):
No, absolutely, And the reality of the matter is is
that one of the things that they've done. And I'll
say this sober No, I've said this to you on
your show before if you and people can look it
up on their own. The FBI had to behavior with
Science Unit at Quantico, Virginia. They've always had it where
they psychologically profiled us. They understand that people to some
extent could be egotistical or narcissistic, and to an extent

(02:39:43):
they want to They want to, you know, even do
it in our community, even on a higher level, that
everybody wants to take credit. I did this, My organization
did this.

Speaker 4 (02:39:53):
We change this. In the city of Baltimore.

Speaker 14 (02:39:55):
You got the mayor arguing with the state's attorney and
people are playing to their egos and na system rather
than than them coming to some kind of collusion. Everybody
wants to get credit.

Speaker 4 (02:40:05):
Doctor King even gave a speech called the drum Major Instinct,
and he said, we all have a need for attention.
I must be first, I must be important. And the
organization knew that, and if they could feed that philosophy
or play on that philosophy again, they created a whole
behavioral science unit. Because most of what you do to
manipulate people, it's through their own memes, you know. Jago

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Hooba said that there's something addicted about the secret. He said,
if you want to control people. Find out what their
secrets are. Don't kill them off, don't assassinate them.

Speaker 14 (02:40:34):
Find out what their secrets are, and control them through
their secrets. And if you have to whitemail them into
doing what you need them to do, they're more effective
alive than they are dead. So there's been a philosophy.

Speaker 4 (02:40:44):
That's gone on for a very long time that I
think with Rick talking to young people, and I certainly
educating young people on radar and off the radar, groups.

Speaker 14 (02:40:55):
Organizations, structures about how this worked, because they won't know
how it work unless somebody sat down and talk to
We are such even our greatest researchers and our greatest
study is and our greatest, our most philosophical leaders talk
to us on a level where they expect us to

(02:41:16):
have some foundation or understanding. And if you're talking to
young people, you gotta go one oh one, You even
gotta go definitions first, because otherwise we're talking over the head.
We're expecting them to change. When we are so into us,
we want to prove to people how brilliant and intelligent
we are, how many books we read till we become
all but ineffective.

Speaker 4 (02:41:36):
I said to you. When I got my PhD and
I was talking to my grandmother who's now deceased, and
she says, son, before all that education got never forget
to reach down and pick up what's right in front
of you.

Speaker 14 (02:41:48):
I said, what are you talking abou, Grandma? I didn't
drop anything. She said, you dropped your common sense because
you're talking to common people. Malcolm X used to say,
make it plain. But sometimes when we are on radio
or television or we're an interview, we are so into
ourselves and we're trying to demonstrate how much we know
until we can't teach. And then if we can't teach,
then we can't change. So I'm so glad that Ricky

(02:42:11):
is talking to those people in the community about what happened,
how it happened, the young people he worked with and
deal with, And I'm so glad he's doing it on
a level that's making it.

Speaker 4 (02:42:20):
Claim.

Speaker 1 (02:42:21):
Got you ten half the top there, Ricky. If now
you can speak to the young people, because some people,
you know, each time we have run, I get at
least one or two people. Wow, well you got put
him on it. I got strung out on crack and
my sister dying. All this stuff you know which is true.
So I'm giving you an opportunity. Now, what you say
to those folks who accuse you of that when you
know Carl.

Speaker 15 (02:42:43):
And I beat myself up about selling crack, But I
got fortunate enough that when I got out of prison,
I was able to go and meet with Minister Fairy Cohn.

Speaker 10 (02:42:54):
And he cleared that up for me.

Speaker 15 (02:42:56):
He told me that I could beat myself up for
ever about what I did, or he said that I
could take my experience and share it with other young
men and women where I could save hundreds of thousands
of lives from going down the same path I went down.
And he said, if I did that, I'd become a
scientist that was running an experiment. So I took that approach,

(02:43:21):
and that's the way I look at it right now.
A young lady out of the Chicago did a story
on me during the same time, and in the story
she said, no regrets, only lessons, And that's the way
I look at my life now. I learned a lot
of lessons from it, and had I not went through it,
I wouldn't be able to do the work that I'm

(02:43:42):
doing right now. And you know, for those people who
criticized me. I get hundreds for young men to come
out and say, man, thank you man. I'm an electrician.
I went to school and I got my electrician license.
I just stepped into the game. When I re search
your first speech and you turn my life around, thank

(02:44:04):
you man. And I'm thinking about going into the dope game.
But after I listen to you, I ain't doing it.
So when I get that, they can say whatever they
want to say about me. You know, I can deal
with that. I won't argue with them about if what
I did was wrong or right. You know, that's not
my argument anymore.

Speaker 10 (02:44:23):
That's my past.

Speaker 15 (02:44:26):
It's still I can't do anything about it. And right
now I'm trying to live my best life. You know,
I taught myself to read when I was in jail.
And I'm more so trying to be a road model,
a new road model. Don't road model after my old self,

(02:44:46):
road model, after the new Rick Fass through the stuff
that I'm doing. Now, I own my own TV channel,
Now I'm partners, I'm boxing. I'm about to be the
new Don King of boxing, and my movie was gonna
start shooting at you know, my book is out a
bestseller in LA Times and New York Times bestseller. And

(02:45:07):
you know, I spoke with some colleges that I couldn't
get into and they paid me to come there and speak.
So for the nay sayers, they can, they can, you
know they can. I mean they criticize Jesus Christ, So
why not me?

Speaker 1 (02:45:23):
All right, Ricky, it always got something going. So when's
the movie coming out? Before we let you go? Is
it Schilling Production?

Speaker 3 (02:45:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (02:45:30):
Yeah, we're gonna start, uh, I think casting in January
or February we should be.

Speaker 10 (02:45:36):
And then you know, I got a new streaming channel.

Speaker 15 (02:45:38):
It's a little rock ip TV, and we're giving a
platform for independent movie producers because I don't know if
you know or not, but they ripping the black movie
producers off. They got to put their stuff on TV.
They don't give them real numbers. Yeah, it ain't changed
out here, man, It's just a different a different tactic.

(02:45:59):
So I'm out here looking for ways to assist our people.

Speaker 1 (02:46:04):
All right, thanks, rick I'm actually getting up, man. I
hate to wake you up this earl at in.

Speaker 10 (02:46:09):
L A and so call you don't mind waking me up, man.

Speaker 1 (02:46:15):
Because you have so much wisdom to share with our people.

Speaker 10 (02:46:17):
Rick, I love Hey, Carl, I love you.

Speaker 15 (02:46:21):
You know when I was going through my trials and tribulations, Uh,
you never, you never, you know, crucified me.

Speaker 10 (02:46:28):
You know, you always gave me a fast shot. And
I appreciate that.

Speaker 15 (02:46:31):
My brother David, you know, he loves you too, uh
and my mom did too. So just keep doing what
you're doing, man in form of my people, because we
need people like you.

Speaker 10 (02:46:39):
Just gonna stand up. And mister Powell, I love your book.
Thank you, San. And if I get in a position,
I want to turn that into a movie.

Speaker 7 (02:46:49):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (02:46:49):
And I wanted to do that when I was inside
of jail. When I read it, I was like, Man,
this is a movie. But I already know they're not
gonna put They're not gonna produce your movie.

Speaker 10 (02:46:59):
We have to do mine independent.

Speaker 15 (02:47:00):
I got lucky and ran in the Reginal hustling and
he came on board, and he said, Man, I'm gonna
get the money to do your movie, and we're gonna
do it the way you want to. We ain't gonna
do it like they did Snowfall. You know, we're not
gonna glorify selling drugs. And then at the end of
the movie, you know, break the black man all the
way down to where he's drinking and drunking and homeless.

(02:47:22):
We're gonna tell it like it was. He go and
do his time, and he get out of jail. He
educated hisself, just like Malcolm X did. I took Malcolm
X's for a mat when I read his book and
I saw what Malcolm did. You guys, you guys had
a big influence on my change. I'm gonna let you
know that to mister Powler, Yes, and thank you and thank.

Speaker 3 (02:47:39):
You for that.

Speaker 15 (02:47:40):
And Malcolm X, even though he wasn't alive, he still
had a big impact on me because when I saw
that he couldn't read and write and then he was
able to turn his life around, I said, if he
can do it, I can do it. And that's what
I know that these young men out here in these
streets right now, they looking at me and they said,
if mister Ross can do it, I can do it too, Yes, sir, right, thanks.

Speaker 1 (02:48:00):
Ricky All right, that's rick Ross called. It woke him up,
this one and the family, you know, the Rick Ross,
the rapper. It stole his name. That's how he was
so impressed with the game that Ricky Ross was doing
Freeway Rick Ross and and you know Doctor Powers. He's
got so much talent. As he's mentioned all the things
he's doing. I told him you could probably even though

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you can't read or write, you've got the talent to
put together this network and that you shared with us.
And the government was there helping him put their network
together so the crack could be exposed to all our
people across the country. So, family, this is what we've
been trying to tell you, you know, and some people
are saying that, oh, you know, they take credit for
doing it and breaking the story, and tell me you
break the story. You don't know how the story started,

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and tell me they broke the story. So one fello
in d C claiming he broke the story. He was
he was listening to our programs Dr Powers and then
come on on this station and talk about it as
if he broke the story. But I just want to
share that with the family.

Speaker 4 (02:48:57):
So as you're sick and racist, as Harry S.

Speaker 14 (02:49:02):
Truman was, he said something that I think is so profound,
and I try to live with it and walk with
it every day, so you'd be surprised how much you
can accomplish. We don't care who get the credit, because
in the end you're going to get the credit anyway.
People are going to decipher through all the mess eventually anyway.
And you can't hit rewind on the things that you've
done wrong, but you can do some things right.

Speaker 4 (02:49:22):
That's what you have the ability to do.

Speaker 14 (02:49:24):
So you can stay miad and all the things you
did wrong you can have and we all have, despite
us trying to be stronger sometimes to what we all
we all have regrets.

Speaker 4 (02:49:34):
There are things that.

Speaker 14 (02:49:34):
We've done in life that we would have done differently,
but at some point we analyze that.

Speaker 1 (02:49:39):
Yet that hold. I thought, right there, Dot, We're gonna
step aside fro a few minutes. How did you finish
your thought? We got some people want to talk to
you at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, and we'll ticket calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning here,
thanks for sewing a week with us and our guest,
the former Fbon agent doctor Tyrone Palace. So doctor Powerce,
I'll let you finish your thought. Then we got some
folks want to talk.

Speaker 14 (02:50:00):
Right, Yeah, I just briefly wanted to say that we
all have done things in the past that we regret,
but we can't hit rewind on it. All we can
do is get better, and that necessarily better and be
a part of the solution. And then you have to
have strong skin if you're going to help our people.
You know, our people have been psychologically damaged so much.

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So you can't argue, you can't go back and forth,
you can't get involved in a name call, and you
can't defend everything. I think every time I come on
and I mentioned to you that what Minister Farakhon said
to me. If God's given you a mission and you're
driving down the road heading towards a destination and a
high priced luxury vehicle and there's a gnat to get
in the car and it's buzzing all around you, he said,

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don't wreck the car and miss your destination trying to
kill a nap. So even though you disagree with what
people say, you can't really spend energy on defending yourself
doing that as long as you're doing the righteous thing.
And for those who are changing their ways, changing their
direction and are becoming a part of the solutions, you
can't play both parts of the of both sides of

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the sense, you can't pretend to be helping us and
at the same time still doing what you used to do.
On the other side, there's a lot of that going
on too that we recognize. Just to be all in
or just get out, you know, the Jacksons used to
say get it together or leave it alone. But I
think that even if we have regrets about things we

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did in the past, we still can be a part
of the solution. There as always of those who will
try to hold your past against you and say you
can't be a part of positive because you were so
much of the negative, and that's completely untrue.

Speaker 1 (02:51:37):
I say, twenty two away from the top of Carl
is calling from West pom Beach and Florida's online one
Grand Rising Call a question for doctor Powers Grand.

Speaker 16 (02:51:46):
Rising Family rotor pol. I think you're the best qualified
to answer the question that I'm gonna talk about. And
Carl always asks the question what eth and I would
you would take a little time and explain the reasoning
and our the memoirs of Jaga Hoover and how he
was looking amongst the so called negro for Messiah. And
most of the time we don't realize to take over

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the church and how we're being our spirit, which is
the spirit of truth, how has been actually taken away
from us? And my question was who do you see
inside of America now that positive the United States government
has identified with reality as it relates to Jaiga Hoover's
thoughts about looking for the Messiah amongst the so called

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American negro.

Speaker 4 (02:52:32):
Yeah, I think there's to ask your question.

Speaker 14 (02:52:34):
Two things. You know, if you go back to and
I mentioned this before, and there's only one book that
Thomas Jefferson ever wrote was Notes on the State of Virginia.
Because he was a slave, older but owner, and this
nation looks up to him. There's a Jefferson monument in Washington,
d C. Speaking of the naming thing that was part
of the earliest so but there's a Jefferson monument, a
slave owner and a beasa. But one of the things

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he said, the only book he ever wrote was Notes
on the State of Virginia. He said that because of
the thousands of wrongs, ten thousand wrongs we've done to people,
to black people, to Africans, they can never forgive us.
They truly believe that there's no group of people in
the history of the world. They can forgive what happened

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to us, not only here in the United States, but
whatever happened in the Congo, which was the greatest holocaust ever.

Speaker 4 (02:53:26):
What they did to those.

Speaker 14 (02:53:27):
People of the Congo, the Belgians, and what they did
in Rwanda. Now they got Rwanda interfering or intervening and
even killing more black on black violence in the Congo
and Rwanda orchestrated by the Central Intelligence Agency, the Dells
Brothers and the Belgian still going on. But Jefferson said
that you know, the only way we're going to deal

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with this is to lead to the examination of one
race or the other. And they are people who love
Jefferson so much to build them a monument.

Speaker 4 (02:53:55):
And whether we read them.

Speaker 14 (02:53:56):
Or not, I teach them to my students, not because
I'm trying to elevate, because I'm trying to educate them
on why us, Why do they keep coming for us,
Why do they keep dropping drugs in our community, Why
they keep dropping alcohol in our community, Why they keep
making sure that we're miseducation, miseducated, as doctor Carterage Woodson said,
or under educated or underdeveloped, because they truly believe what

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Jefferson said that there's no way they did us so
horrifically wrong that there's no.

Speaker 4 (02:54:25):
Way we can forget.

Speaker 9 (02:54:26):
Now.

Speaker 14 (02:54:26):
We may not be thinking like that, but it doesn't
really matter how we're thinking. They're thinking that at some
point we are coming. So if they've got a leader
who are putting them in a position of understanding this history,
we got to get rid of him, whether it's King
or Malcolm X or the honible Elijah Muhammad. We got
to divide Malcolm against the people who actually created or
re educated him in the nation of Vislam. Despite their differences,

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We've got to turn them against each other. They are
constantly understanding that Jaga Hoopa says.

Speaker 4 (02:54:55):
Speaking of Jaga Hooper, he said, for all of this triteness,
this is his.

Speaker 14 (02:54:59):
Exact words, a direct quote, not paraphrasing. He said, there
is strength in unity. And he said the one thing
we can never afford is have the black community unified.
We've got to have young blacks against middle aged blacks
against older blacks. We gotta have black organizations against black organizations.
We gotta have black radio hosts against other black radio hosts.

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We gotta have black athletes against black athletes. He said
this specifically, if you go back and you said you
read his notes and his memoirs, he said, for all
of this triteness, there's power and unity. And if they
ever become unified, if they ever stop fighting each other,
we're going to be in trouble. So this is why us,

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this is why they continue to do this. But when
I explain this to the young peoples, make it plain,
as a student of the honor Oi Larja Muhammed Malcolm
X said, make it so plain, or as my grandmother said,
put it down where the ghosts can get it. Don't
explain it in your language, don't talk about don't get
to the illuminata until you get to just explaining this
basic definitions to young people. Then they will change their

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behavior and change their ways. We're so into ourselves.

Speaker 4 (02:56:08):
Look at what I know. Look how brilliant I am.
Look how much I know I know about these secret organizations.
I know about the black bourgeoisie. The young people saying,
just make it plain, tell me how to not do
tomorrow what I'm doing today, and explain that history to me.
And so they're going to continue to divide and conquer
us because they, as you said, we're very spiritual beings,
and they believe that there's no way we can forgive

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them for the horrific horrors that they've done to us
over generations.

Speaker 3 (02:56:35):
Whether we know.

Speaker 14 (02:56:36):
About them or not, they believe we know about them,
and they believe we're coming, and they believe they have
to constantly keep their foot on our next, and then
they believe that they have to help get us to
help them put their foot on our next, because if
we ever become truly enlightened, then it's going to be
it's going to be something else. So they can't have

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that happen. Whether it's a black messiah, whether you can
any of the organizations all across this country call to
your credit. You have people on all the time that
are doing tremendous work. They have to keep that work segmented, isolated.

Speaker 5 (02:57:10):
And.

Speaker 14 (02:57:12):
Not let us know that's happening. Thank God to you
and your broadcast. We get to know that's happening. Because
the messiahs in our community doesn't have to be one messiah.
It can be every person leading in the organizations that
are helping young people change the direction in their situation,
that are caring for our seniors, that are re educating
or redeveloping our middle aged people, or all of our people.

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All of those people are.

Speaker 4 (02:57:37):
Doing a job.

Speaker 14 (02:57:38):
But what Call has done and what this program does
is connect us together, so we won't resay and that
black people aren't doing nothing and black people need to
do this, because that's what they want us to say.
And all over this nation and Call is highlighted that
over and over and over again, there are people doing something.
So we have much more work to do. But we
don't have to be so pessimistic that we become stagnant

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and do nothing because we don't believe something is being done.
That Messiah could be a thousand messiahs rather than one,
and they're looking for the one.

Speaker 1 (02:58:09):
Thank you for what you said, the kind words thirty
minutes after the top of their family, and please hear
what doctor Powers said, because there's a couple of anti
black groups, who black anti black groups, and they're trying
to keep us against each other and fighting against each other.
He just said, you know, and they say they're not agents.
He just told you. This is come from a former
FBI agent, So take that with his will. But you

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know who they are, and I have to mention their
names we're not going to give him any energy eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy
six bills in Baltimore's Online two as a question for you,
Grand Rising build their question for doctor Powers.

Speaker 17 (02:58:42):
Hey, first, thank you there call for this opportunity. I
want to just say hello to my good friend, Tyrone Power.

Speaker 4 (02:58:47):
I have a lot of.

Speaker 17 (02:58:48):
Respect for Tyrone, But I guess my question when I
was listening to the whole conversation reference to drugs, that
is the question, Tyrone, is that if all throughout this
head country then we have systems groups to witness the
centeration process of guns and drugs that's confiscated by the police,
what kind of im type would to have on our

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community as a relations to the drug problem and the
murders that we have in our communities.

Speaker 14 (02:59:15):
Yeah, that's thank you, Bill, and I thank you for
your friendship and your advocacy. And you've been indicating this
for years and I don't understand for the life of
me why I do understand, but I will say this,
why that can't simply be done. I mean, technically, if
you confiscate drugs and guns. We keep talking heavy these
press conferences about how many guns we've taken off the

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streets of Baltimore in DC and LA in Chicago. If
you've confiscated these guns and there's a process for trials
and appeals, and once that process of trials and appeals
are done, why not let the public witness the melting
down of these guns and drugs, because the fact of
the matter is they're recirculated in the community. Kurt Smoke

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had it buy back gun program that he had to
end because the very guns that he was buying back
at these centers where you could turn into guns and
it could be anonymous and you didn't have to leave
your name, those guns were ending up in murders two
years later, so they confiscated them. They took him into
police department and then somehow that gun, but that sale

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number where forensics had identified had been sold back to
the agency, whether it's a police department or some other
entity that's taken them in, was back on the streets
involved in other murders. So that is one of the
method and the strategies that would be very effective and impactful.
And I don't know how we have black politicians and.

Speaker 4 (03:00:38):
Black leaders, a state's attorney in this city and a black.

Speaker 14 (03:00:42):
Mayor who just said let it be. So we wanted
the power to lead cities, organizations, structures, and agencies so
that we could make decisions that could be carried out.

Speaker 4 (03:00:52):
And that's very easy.

Speaker 14 (03:00:53):
Look, if you're the state's attorney, you can easily say
that once this trial has exhausted all prosecution and appeals,
then we're going to gather up all of the evidence
we've used in these cases to prosecute these cases, and
we're going to burn them with the public. They can
have a designated representative, or we can have a place
where they go to because obviously if you burn drugs,

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it has to be in a closed environment. I've witnessed
that at times with the FBI, or melt down these
particular items and use them. We keep talking about recycling
in this country. We can recycle that metal. But now
we're in positions of power. So the question that Bill
couldn't ask is not just a question for whites or
hiding this. It is question for blacks who are in

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position of power, who could make that declavation tomorrow morning.
Good point, Bill, and I'm glad you're making it because
now you're talking about strategies rather than emotion. We are
so often because we are a group of people who
come out of religious environment and we love our preachers
so interested in a sermon that we can't carry out
the operatives that come out of a sermon. And where

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Bill is talking about the specific strategy that could be done,
especially in every city that we're in a position of power,
we were the state's attorney and the mayor in Chicago, we.

Speaker 4 (03:02:07):
Could have easily without any opposition or with any pushback,
we could have easily done that.

Speaker 14 (03:02:13):
The state's attorney can say, this case is exhausted. It's
already been through all of this appeals all the way
up to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 4 (03:02:19):
Now let's burn the evidence.

Speaker 14 (03:02:21):
And because we've had this gun and its violence problem
and this drug problem for so long, we should have
a lot to burn and to get rid of, rather
than have it recycled and ended back up on the
street involved in other murders and other homicides, and with
people consuming drugs. Speaking of blowing up Venezuela boats, people

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consuming drugs. That was taken into the evidence room.

Speaker 1 (03:02:44):
That's fact, that's not fiction, all right, twenty six away
from the top, Thanks Bill eight hundred and four or
five zero, seventy eight, seventy six. John's in DC has
a question for you, doctor Powers. He's online three grand
rising John your question for doctor Tyrol and Powers.

Speaker 9 (03:03:00):
Grantarizing, Brother Quasi and Brother Powell. I wanted to make
a comment and I want you to comment on it.
I don't know have just been discussed when Diet Gregory
and Joe Madison discovered and exposed the CIA and the

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FBI bringing cocaine and drugs and guns and whatever else
they could into this country red handed. Why wasn't there first?
Why wasn't there any indictments? Why wasn't there any prosecutions.

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If you want to stop it at the bottom, you
have to stop it at the top. Mark from Anaheim
always mentioned factual movies that were true, and they were
American Maid, the movie Blow with Johnny Depth and we

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saw in the wire. This is why they took it
off of television because it exposed the drug traffic and
the corruption from the highest levels to the bottom. Right
next door in Baltimore City, one of the poorest country
cities in America but has the largest caron distribution in

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the country, coming, I want to.

Speaker 1 (03:04:30):
Give a chance.

Speaker 3 (03:04:32):
Right there, brother, Thanks doctor Bowers.

Speaker 4 (03:04:38):
He's absolutely right and and here, but there's two positives.
It's not an either or.

Speaker 14 (03:04:43):
It has to be prosecuted and and attacked and targeted
from the highest level. But that takes knowledge and education.
See what the brother is saying and what other people
will call your show is saying, it's so foundationally and
fundamentally true. This is how we should to handle this.
But you've got to talk to other people. You've got

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to talk to the young people. You've got to show
them how it's done. We just can't talk to each
other as young relatively young people, or middle aged people
or elders. We've got to explain this to the young people.
And my course that I used to teach at Boy,
I've leave. This is my last semester there, but that
I used to teach at Boy, the reality of the
matter is those young people sat up erect and listen

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to this, because while we have talked to each other
about this, no one had ever walked them through this
from the beginning to the end. And the second part
of that, the part about prosecuting these cases that you're
talking about about bringing drugs into the country. The other
part of that is convincing our people, as difficult as
it is, doesn't mean we shouldn't try it.

Speaker 4 (03:05:47):
Not to be on drugs and alcohol.

Speaker 14 (03:05:50):
And I know that it's not that easy. I know addiction,
people are depressed, people are sad. But to do the
best we can, and we may can't solve at all,
but we have to do better. This supplying demand philosophy
of economics mean that we have to talk to our
people about exchanging their reality rather than escaping the out
reality to do drugs and alcohol and sex promisecurity. We

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have to talk to them about that too, even as
we attacked and target these other areas which you are
talking about.

Speaker 4 (03:06:20):
So it's not either all all.

Speaker 1 (03:06:22):
I thought right there, Dr Powers, I had to finish
our response to John's question on the other side, twenty
three minutes away from the top. Our family, I guess
this former FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers. You'd like to
speak to him, reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, and
thanks for sticking with us on this Monday morning. Thanks
for starting a week with us and our guess the

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former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers. Before we go back
to let me just remind you. Coming up later this week,
you're going to hear from a civil rights activist, brother
Willie Macassa ris As I mentioned, he was part of
the Snake group of Marst with doctor King John John
Lewis Kwame Terrey also married Barrass part of that group too,
also a natural attic and holistic doctor. You get two
for one here with doctor A will be with us.

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One of Malcolm's daughters, actually his third daughter, doctor A Shapas,
will check in as well. I'm professor Manning one Pin
from Contracostal College and out in California and Northern California
will be here. So if you're in Baltimore, make sure
you keep you READI locked in tight on ten ten
WLB or if you're in the DMV run fourteen fifteen
w L. So, doctor Palas, how much you finish responding
to John's question, They've got some more folks got questions

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for you.

Speaker 14 (03:07:25):
Yeah, I'll just be brief. That's just a multi factor
that approach. There definitely people that should have been prosecuted.
But on the other hand, as we even as we
pursue that part of dealing with this particular problem, we
also got to deal with it on the ground level
by talking to our young people about and not escaping
their reality, but changing their reality, staying away from these

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substances as much as we can. And I know I'm
not naive enough to know it's going to work with everybody,
because people are dealing with mental health, mental illness issues
and depression and sadness. But we have at least got
to say it. We've got to have a multi fat
to an approach to dealing with this particular problem. Because
there is no demand, it is a more effective way

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of dealing with the supply because as long as there
is a demand, they're going to be people who find
a way to make sure that we stay high.

Speaker 1 (03:08:16):
Got you fifteen away from the top. They are eight
hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy says Cliff
in Connecticut, is online one grand rising, Cliff, your question
for doctor powers a.

Speaker 18 (03:08:26):
Grand resident, brother Karl. Then and to your guest mister Powell.
And also he said that you are a god bless
you are a blessing, and we thank God for you.
So how about that, brother Carl. But anyway, brother type
of listen. In your opinion, there have been congressional hearings,

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and also before I go there, Trump has under his
administration he's created the Space Force, and right now there
are a bunch of congressional hearings on they call up upos,
unfined identifying objects or whatever. So my question to you,
do you believe that there are other existence, other beings

(03:09:11):
in your opinion? And what are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (03:09:15):
What are they? Well, two things, I don't know what
they are.

Speaker 14 (03:09:19):
I'm not arrogant enough to believe that in this entire
universe we're the only entity that exists or ever has existed,
that ever will exist. I know people have their own
religious and spiritual beliefs, but I'm not arrogant enough to
believe that they don't exist, and that in this entire universe,
which is as you probably know from studying science and

(03:09:43):
your science classes even in elementary school, in this entire universe,
I cannot.

Speaker 4 (03:09:50):
Conclude that we're the only things or only entities that exist.
So that's all I can say about.

Speaker 1 (03:09:58):
That all right away. From the top of that, Thanks Cliff,
Let's go to Baltimore and Mark's online for Grand Rising. Mark,
you a question for doctor Tyrone Powers.

Speaker 19 (03:10:07):
Here Grand rising guys, Doctor Powers, are your book.

Speaker 4 (03:10:11):
Odds to the odds to your soul?

Speaker 19 (03:10:13):
I couldn't put it down when I picked it up,
but I want to thank you for being everything that
you are Invaltimore. My question, Malcaele said, we're not outnumbered,
were all organized. He said black people shouldn't be killing
each other. And he said there can be no black
white unity to his black unity. And what how do

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you feel like in Baltimore we haven't had that? And
what was the impact of Eric Barron and the State's
attorney working together to bring down the crime and murder
in Baltimore.

Speaker 14 (03:10:49):
Well, I think there's a number of entities that have
worked diligently to bring down crime and married in Baltimore.
Some of them get recognized, some of them don't get recognized.
And I think that if you're sincerely doing this work
for a righteous reason, then you.

Speaker 4 (03:11:03):
Maybe you should be recognized.

Speaker 14 (03:11:04):
But even if you're not recognized, you never started to
work for recognition anyway. I truly believe that every entity
in this particular city, State's Attorney's office, the Mayor's office,
the state legislators, the city Council should be working to
not only dramatically reduce crime, but enhance the life chances
of individuals in the city. Because an individual who is

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not the victim of crime doesn't mean they're not the
victim of poverty, which is violencing crime in and of itself.
So all those things we should be working together to address,
and we shouldn't let other entities put.

Speaker 4 (03:11:38):
Us against each other.

Speaker 14 (03:11:39):
You know, I recently saw the State's attorney's press conference
when he talked about not working with the Office of Mandity,
which he has a right to do, but I'm hoping
that he would set down with the mayn with other
people first before you hold a press conference, because there
are people who benefit from our division. I think these
are capable and intelligence leaders. I think the other entities

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we all us, the other community, The other entities in
the community that are working dramatically reduced The educators in
the school systems are sincere. They're unsincere, and they're sincere
people in the school system, But I think that they
should all be working together. But they also even in
most educated amongst us, have to understand this technique and
the strategy of divide and conquered.

Speaker 18 (03:12:22):
If we don't.

Speaker 14 (03:12:23):
Understand that, then we'll be so into ourselves. Even our
brother Malcolm X, who was brought in by the Honible
Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam, there was the
vision created there by the FBI planning people inserting people,
having Malcolm make statements like I brought in Muhammad Ali
wise Elijah Muhammad taking credit.

Speaker 4 (03:12:42):
Even the best of.

Speaker 14 (03:12:43):
Us and the most brilliant amongst us, and the most
conscious amongst us, always have to be aware of that
entity that exists that are trying to get us to
be divided from our brother and are trying to get
us to set up a scenario where you have to
be on one side or the other, but you just
can't be on the side of righteousness.

Speaker 1 (03:13:07):
Got your doctor, doctor powers eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight to seventy six. I gotta ask you
this question. Three of Trump's folks are on the hot seat.
Christy Nolm, FBI cash matail defense of Pete Hexaith. Who
do you think is going to get chopped first? Or
do you think he's going to make a move on
all of them?

Speaker 14 (03:13:26):
I don't know, because Trump is so unpredictable. He is
a narcissistic personality with clearly some issues, some mental health issues,
So you.

Speaker 4 (03:13:36):
Never know what strategically and what logically he should.

Speaker 3 (03:13:40):
Do to go after that.

Speaker 14 (03:13:41):
He will do anything in everything he do will be
designed to protect his reputation and what he wants, not
for the batterment of the country, not for the batterment.

Speaker 4 (03:13:50):
Of the organization.

Speaker 14 (03:13:51):
But that's what narcisstic personalities do, whether they're in the
office of the president, or in the mayor's office, or
in our own households. And they are unpredictable that you
can predict whatever decision they make and will benefit them,
and it doesn't matter what it does for or against
anyone else.

Speaker 1 (03:14:08):
But do you think that they will make out through
the new year. You think at some point all three
of them will be gone. You think he's looking for
their replacements, because you know, you can't go by what
you hear on the internet. Have to see the reports.
But some of the reports that he's already selected their replacements,
and if he.

Speaker 14 (03:14:24):
Does, he's negotiating with them for how that transition will
take place.

Speaker 4 (03:14:28):
He's never the thing I have. The people who are
around him, he have a certain loyalty towards people who
support him, and even if he has to take him
out of position, he doesn't take him out of circulation.
And so that might very well be true that he's
already identified their replacement. But I wouldn't be surprised if

(03:14:49):
he's identified their replacement, that they've help him identify their
replacement and he've already negotiated, or he doesn't really negotiate,
he dictates other positions for them to be in where
they will be just as successful as he did with
Elon Musk, where people thought they had a fallen out
when they really had a fallen in.

Speaker 1 (03:15:09):
Yeah, ate away from the top. I'll ask you about
your former agency, the FBI. I know you're not there anymore,
but you know folks who work there, and you can
gauge the sentiment about Cash Bertel with him with you know,
using the private plane for his girlfriend and all that
kind of stuff. Yes, and we understand some of the
agents are not as much as upset through it, but

(03:15:32):
just disappointed in Cash Bertel. What are you hearing from
some of your former agents.

Speaker 14 (03:15:37):
They're not only disappointed, they're upset. In fact, they're the
ones who have moved Cash retail from wearing an FBI
jacket to a suit and tie. If you notice the
recent press conference that they said, this is an embarrassment
to the history of the agency. Now, the agency haven't
always been kind of black people in general, but the
sentiment in the agency now is that this has almost
become a circus, unprecedented turks that had never been this

(03:16:03):
disorganized or chaotic, or led by individual with the least
amount of knowledge in terms of law enforcement, policing and intelligence.
Because you got to remember, the FBI is not only
the lead the agency in terms of these federal prosecutions,
because they're the lead agency for the Department of Justice.
So when the Department of Justice want to prosecute someone,
they use the FBI to go out and do the investigation.

(03:16:26):
But according to Ronald Reagan, THEYD lead the agency on
terrorism and counter terrorism, and there are people who are
involved specifically in those specialties that are saying that this
is this is ridiculous, and they're not coming out and
saying it because the agency trains their people to exercise
their right to remain silent in all things. But I
can tell you from talking to people people in that organization,

(03:16:49):
certainly people of color in that organization that this is
the worst it's ever been in terms of the leadership,
not in terms of the operations of the leadership, but
in terms of the representation of the leadership.

Speaker 4 (03:17:01):
And then now it's to the leadership that's put in place,
and that's that's the feeling internally. Now, Now, how that
will what what what what the consequences and result of
that will be will be interesting to see, except that
he's trying to hold onto the position by going from
jeans and t shirts and jackets to suit and ties.

Speaker 1 (03:17:21):
Now, yeah, I've noticed that. And doctor Powers, when you
were sworn in, did you take an oath of office
or was that part of it? Or And the question
I asked is, these days you have to auto automatically, uh,
swear an oath of office or swear loyalty to Donald Trump?
Did you have to take when you were sworn in?
Did you you know, the earth of office to defend

(03:17:42):
the constitutions in the United States and lay your hand
and all that.

Speaker 4 (03:17:45):
Yeah, we took the stand that though.

Speaker 14 (03:17:46):
What's interesting about the FBI is that they actually swear
you in the day you begin the academy. Most organizations,
whether it's police agencies or federal other federal agencies, you get,
you take your old after you finished the academy, you're
fully trained technically. Today you join the FBI as you're
going into the academy, you.

Speaker 4 (03:18:05):
Take that open.

Speaker 14 (03:18:06):
You've never had to take loyalty. It was the standard
oath that everyone takes, whether it's an inauguration of a
president or a Supreme Court justice. It was never a
loyalty requirement to any entity or any individual. We're we're
in a very interesting and unique situation, and it'll be
interested in to see even how some Republicans deal with

(03:18:27):
this kind of a dictatorship. It's not even a benevolent dictatorship,
but a dictatorship.

Speaker 1 (03:18:36):
That's so true. And the title of your book again
at doctor.

Speaker 14 (03:18:39):
Powers to my soul, the Rise or Decline of a
black FBI agent.

Speaker 4 (03:18:44):
And as you know, I'm working on moving away from
some other things so i can complete some other books
and projects. Now I've written other books, but they actually
been chapters and other people's books, or written in other
people's books and other people's writings. But my original book,
because I ask to my soul, the rise or decline
of a black FBI agent.

Speaker 1 (03:19:04):
So when are we going to see the follow.

Speaker 14 (03:19:06):
Up relatively soon now that I'm moving away from some
other projects and some traveling and focusing and on getting
that done. Making to the priority based on the the
other people telling me this, which should be my priority
at this particular time, because I could reach people around
the world rather than reach people just locally.

Speaker 1 (03:19:27):
All right, and thank you, thank you doctor Palas. Thank
you for all the shared with us this morning.

Speaker 14 (03:19:33):
Anytime you call Carled, I'm gonna come on. I appreciate
what you do. I appreciate everyone you bring on, and
I appreciate the line, the light that you shine on
all those messiahs, some who get recognitions, some who don't,
or out now community trying to make things better for
our people, our children, and to be honest with you,
for the world in general.

Speaker 1 (03:19:51):
All right, thanks for those kind words at doctor Powers.
Thank you again. Thank you sharing your thoughts this morning. Family,
that's said for the day. Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six
o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and
also on the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL

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