Professor Griff Returns to Discuss Diaspora Wars and Political Targeting

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're facing with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Thanks, Grand Rising family, Welcome to Wednesday. Thank you for
starting the day with us. Later, the former Minister of
Information for Public Enemy, the group Public Enemy, Professor griff
will check into our classroom. Griff will analyze the so
called diaspora wars in our community. Before Professor Griffo, investigative
reporter Pemma Levi from Mother Jones magazine will unveil her

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compelling article on the GOP targeting in Black Democrats for defeat.
She'll name some names. Prior to Pemma, black women for
Positive Changes, Doctor Stephie Miles will explain how her group's
peace circles used to prevent violence in our community. So momentarily,
Bethen Harper, Michigan Activists pastor the Reverend Edward Pinney will

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join us. But let's bring in Kevin's open up the
classroom doors for us this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson Man, Welcome to Wednesday morning,
the twentieth of August. As the month goes by, and
how are you feeling, Carl.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Nelson, I'm still learning, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Quite an experience, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
It Sure is.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
You just keep continually learning on all levels and you
know you better, you better.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Right, Yeah. And but the thing is, and I keep
saying this, once you learn something, you've got to put
it into action. It's not just to learn it. If
you don't put it into action after you learned it,
that's the question. You know, it was just another fact
that you know. But once you can use it and
make it turn into action, then I think that's with
the movies and many of us we because we hit.

(02:06):
Like Bob Marley had a saying when he rained, some
people get wet, some people feel the rain. And so
that's the difference there.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Oh man, call Nelson wax and philosophical this morning. Now
that's heavy, bro, because it's drizzling a little bit this morning.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
So I see what you're feeling it or you're just
getting wet.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Well, the rain is a blessing.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
See, So yeah, I see where you're coming from, mister Marlee.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
There, Iri, it's iren man.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Hey, speaking of I reed. Let's talk about sports, you know,
and this is what is it? Armcheer wide receiver. You know,
some people are armchair quarterback on the armcheer wide receiver.
You know about this guy Terry McClaren. Well, he's a
wide receiver who helped bring the Commanders to fame because

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last year they really surprised everybody getting all the way
to the playoffs, and it was because of the team
or the combination, if you will, of Jayden Daniels and
this gentleman Terry McLaren, who was you know, like an
award winning you know, thousands.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Of yards kind of wide receiver guy. You see.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know, I guess there's nothing worse was sports than
the guy who's not really a sports guy but a
mental events. So the event is Terry McLaren. You know,
last week the pregame was the Commanders versus the Bengals,
and they lost, whereas Terry McLaren was not on the field,

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not that he's the reason they lost, but he was
holding out for a contract for a measily thirty million dollars.
He wanted a thirty million dollars contract, so he was
holding out for that, and I understand, man, I mean,
you know, you can want what you want and make
it requests.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
So you know, they say his agent.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Said he should hold out, and so even though now
I don't know other names, but they say some of
the other wide receivers in the league got, you know,
nine million, one guy got twenty one million, nobody gets
thirty million in what seems to be his second year
or third year or something like that. Again, I don't

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know the history. But now the news is that the
NFL insider says that Terry mcclarin could end his holdout soon.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
With the commanders your thoughts you're gonna need.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, you know, they'll probably come a compromise somewhere in
the middle, you know, because that's what you do. You
ask for the sky and hopefully you'll get somewhere, you know,
not quite to the moon, but you at least get
off the ground with negotiations that and you got to
go for it. Once you're you're hot, that's when you
make the request. Because football, you know, the shelf life

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for football players real short, you know, So you've got
to make that money now.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
So I'm not mad at him. Go get it, you know,
And I like that you're doing. Norman Vincent Beale. If
you miss you lend him on the start, shoot for
the moon. If you missed, you among the stars. And
so there you are.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, that's in his agent. But here's another story, Kevin,
that's trending this morning in our community. Donald Trump is
blasting the museums. He's just they're out of control for
teaching how bad slavery was. He says, uh, slavey wasn't
basically saying that slavey wasn't that bad, and and and that,
you know, the museums like the one in DCV, the
Black Museum or the African American Museum, and fan you

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want to call it, it's his going overboard. So he
wants them to go in there and all these things.
That's that the show how bad slavey was. Uh, he
wants them to eliminate and take it out because you know,
basically what he's saying, he's not. He didn't come out
and say, but he's the one his grandchildren and know
how their forefathers treated our ancestors. So that's what's that's

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the biggest talk now in the barber shops around the country.
But with Donald Trump, just some people are surprised. I
don't know why. You know, he told us what he's
gonna do before he got elected, but this is one
of the things he's doing.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Let me get this straight. So he said that the
that the slavery wasn't that bad. I guess if you're
you know, you own the plantation and you are the
slave owner, I can see where you know, and he
would be on that side of history.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
You see, he said, he's.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Saying he wants to purge the woke content from the museums.
So so explaining.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
It from who defines what is woke? One man's woke
and now another man's wo woe for us he's doing.
See what they did that co opted the word woke.
You know, for us, that's just being being aware. You
know that you're aware what's going on. You know it's
on from that movie. You remember the movie. Uh, you
know he used that word quite a bit. And now

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they've so what they did? They and they do this surgically, Kevin.
They go after us and people we don't understand how
much they go after us. And Pemmeleivius I mentioned it's
going to be coming up later this morning and she's
going to talk about the fact that the GOP has
targeted several black Democrats for defeat, redistricting their their districts
to get them out so the Republicans will have an edge.

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Especially we see what's going on in Texas. We see
California's responding to this. So this is interesting. This is
all this is all part of the Platte plot, and
we see here. You know, let me just throw this
in there and I'll let you respond to this one too.
Eli Musk remembers said he was going to start a
new party. Everybody said he was bluffing, and he was right.
He was bluffing. She's going to back JD. Vans. Those

(07:36):
of you who's listening to this program for quite some
time to understand what markom Anaheim was saying about the
Dark Enlightenment and JD. Vans, he kept telling you this
years ago. So from those of us who were in
class on that day, we're not surprised. Jdvans is who
they wanted to replace Donald Trump. And that's where you
got to be concerned about. Boy, I'll let me get

(07:56):
out my soapbox this morning.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Oh no, no, stay right there, bruh, stay right there.
We got to get this guy in front of a crowd.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Look, but Elon Musk is quietly putting the brakes on
the plans for his new political party. And you know
he said that According to the Wall Street General, he's
said that his new political party, telling allies he wants
to focus on his company instead, see, which is where
he probably should have stayed in the first place. He's

(08:29):
the richest man unveiled the America Party back in July,
as you were mentioning, and public dispute with the President
on tax cut and spending bills made him change his mind.
And now yeah, he's going to I don't see anything
about Vance, who had called for truce following must all
public view with Trump, reaffirmed his position and said he

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had asked Musk to return to the Republican fold. So
there's the association with Musk Advance, you see, it's I
guess he's being kind.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
He was there right because Musk is backed by Peter Thiel,
another South African like who's who was Actually Musku's partnered PayPal,
that's and they started PayPal split up that money and
both billionaires and Peter feel is his benefactor. I mean,
I mean Vance's benefactored. So it's all coming full circle now.
But like I mentioned, Mark from Anaheim told us about

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this years ago, this was going to happen, and you
mentioned it. I think the last time was here he
mentioned it, and he says, keep an eye on that. Well,
people weren't paying attention. And every time I see something
that he told us, you know, years ago, see it happened,
I go, okay, we heard I've heard this story before,
but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Well, one last topic here and the White House beginning
maybe it's the same topic.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
The White House is launching.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
An official TikTok account after it was banned back in
twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, mister Taco, he remember he banned it and then
then up the banned and banned again and stopped it again.
And you know, now the White House is showing TikTok
and they've been threatening to sell it from well about
six or seven months now. They're being threatened to sell it,
and every time they set a date, they're pushing back.
Now now they've joined TikTok. So what does that mean?

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Does that mean Taco has changed his mind again?

Speaker 5 (10:20):
That's what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
And yesterday, just yesterday, he is continuing to permit the
Chinese own platform to operate here in the States, and
he says, America, we are back.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
What's up with TikTok?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
The account had about forty five hundred followers an hour
after he posted the video. In Trump's personal account meanwhile
has fifteen point one million followers. Though his last post
was way back in November of twenty twenty four, he
still has fifteen point one million million followers. And I
don't know how much you know about social media, but

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if you've got that many, there's ways to monetize that,
you see. And so Trump is always always on the
edge of making another fifty cents.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Man, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, and they're doing it, you know, right in front
of our faces. But listen, we're racing the clock here.
Let's bring in Reverend Pinckney.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Well, we're going to have to continue to race the clock.
I want you to go another round on the field.
And I've got to because somehow either the line dropped
or this is this is live radio.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
See this is real radio.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
That's okay's line drop, Reverend Pinkney. We're coming back for you.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
You do that.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, So I'll make a quick dial and you tell
us a little more about this this day.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
What can one expect? What can well expect? Okay, Well,
tomorrow we're going to have a doctor Tyron Powers. Come on,
One of the things he wants to talk about too,
is the fact that they're putting all these streets, including
FBI agents, the streets of Washington, d C. We know,
all these states are sending in their National Guard as well.
All these states are volunteering, say, pretty soon be more

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law enforcing people on the streets of Washington, d C.
Than the people who live there with all, because Washington
d C. Already has a lot of different agencies patrolling
the district, and now all these different states, I think
they're trying to curry favor with Trump. They're sending their
national guards to patrol, uh, Washington, d C. You know,
they make it sound like Washington d C is be
root or something.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
So that's about that's yeah, a couple of states. What
is the Mississippi?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
It's about four states now.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, are sending their national Guard. It's a way to
get the national Guard guys back to work.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Apparently. Well I found the Reverend Pinkney.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
All right, let's bring him in. Good morning, Grand rising in.
Reverend Pinckney.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Ah, good morning, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 8 (12:52):
Carl Nelson.

Speaker 7 (12:53):
We we know how things going. We're just rocking and
rolling here and rolling and rocking and trying to make
it happen. And you know what, we gotta get better.
We had black folk. We got to get better because
we don't see the big picture. You see. Uh, okay,
they got truths. Remember that they started in California, bringing

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in the National Guard, bringing in the army and stuff
like that. They started there, you see, and people wasn't
outright outraged like they should have been. You see. So
now he's going to different states. They now they're in Washington,
d C. They're gonna take over the police department, and
and and by them taking over the police department now

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is justification for bringing in the army. And people are
comfortable with it. You know there are some who are not. Though.
I'm not comfortable with it at all because this is
just the beginning. You know, we got three and a
half more years of this guy. But here's the deal.
See Trump is not really giving these order, these orders

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coming from above him. You see. They're telling him what
they need to do. That's the scary part to me.
You see, to me, it's always been the system. You see,
this is what they want to do right now. They
want to bring the army in. They won't see this
is how Germany did theirs. They're taking a page right

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out of their playbook. They banning books. You can't say servat,
you're taking black history away. We don't want to talk
about slavery no more. We don't want to say how
bad it was no more. We don't want our children
to know these things. And this is where we're at today,
and they is gonna get worse or get better. Best

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people black people see black people that there are forty
percent of us who really don't really care, we don't
get it. Then there's sixty who understand about who we're
about to happen. So we're in a very compromising position
right now, and we got to get better. We got

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to grow. We got to make sure our children understand
the seriousness of this mess that we're in right now.
And that's why a lot of times black people don't
vote because it don't concerns them. I'm still gonna live
this way. I'm still gonna live in the projects. I'm
still gonna be going to these schools.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
With with with with a notebook, right and hold up
thought right there, rad We're gonna step aside for a
few minutes and we come back on and thank you
for connecting the dots for us, because you're right, some
people don't understand what's really going on, and I think
it doesn't evolve then and you're right. And starting in California,
now it's in Washington, DC putting federal troops on the streets. Family,
you want to join our conversation, Reverend Edward Pickney from

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Benjamin Harbor, Michigan, reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take a phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning. It's
a hump day. We're halfway through the work week with
our guest, the Reverend Edward Pinkney from Bench and Harbor, Michigan.
He's an activist in that city. He first got on
the radar when he started trying to get clean water
for the city. They still don't have clean water. And
before we left, we were talking about the fact that
Donald Trump is placing the federal troops on the streets
of Washington, d C. Is a Reverend Pinknan mentioned. They

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start out in l A. First, we're supposedly supporting the
ice uh, you know, sols agents whatever they were trying
to they're going after undocumented immigrants. So the question is that,
Reverend Pinckney, with the streets, how do we, how do
we allow or tell our people to have some restraint,
because what they're looking for, as you know, they won't

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wanted us to act out and then and then you know,
then then it starts. Then then the party starts, and
then they can come in and just all out go
after our people and then probably declare martial law, depending
how bad it goes, because they'll probably hope their brothers
and sisters and other cities will jump in.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
So how do what what?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
What do you tell how people this morning, Reverend pink
They especially the folks in DC where they are now
in the other cities, they're rightning to put troops on
the street, is the first.

Speaker 7 (17:29):
Thing that would tell them, look at the big picture,
you see, don't just look at what is happening today. See,
we got the organized organized and organize. There are some
people that I think they they can be organized, but
they won't. Let me give you an example of this.

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I'm going jump there. The polling place was raped out.
These people front door. They lived in this high rise
apartment all they have to do, and they're registered to vote.
And what I would do, I would go knock on
everybody dough in the building and get them to come out.

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And you know what they was telling me. Both really
don't concern me because there ain't nothing going to change.
So now let me get to your point. The reason
why we have to tell them the question that will
they listen? We have an obligation to tell them, you see.

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What they do with that information is on them, you see,
and on us too if they don't adhe to it.
So we have to keep telling them. We have to
keep explaining to them how serious to deal with the
troops in Washington, d C. And they're taking over. I
tried to tell people about California that this was the

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first step. You know, will Pinny on know, you know,
being he just talking. He always out here doing something,
you know. And and this is the mentality of some
of the people here in the city of bnkon Harbor.
They don't believe that this concerns them at all. And
and that's the scary part to me, because if you

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don't believe that this affects you in any kind of way,
we have a major problem. You see, I live in
this this this little zone. This is how they think
I live in this one area. This is my area.
You see, They're not gonna come in my area. Oh
yes they will. But you see, and the and the

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best way to control people is with the army. If
you control the army, you could do anything you want
to do. You can have a cool at any time.
The big question. You see, Trump could have had a
cool last time, but he failed to control the army.
You see, once you control that army, you in total power.

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And at this stage, Trump is controlling the Army's controlling
each and every member of the armed forces. And that's
what's so scary about this day because now I'm going
to send truth to Chicago. I'm going to send truth
to New York. I'm going to send truth to Saint Louis, Missouri.
I'm going to send troops all over and nothing nobody's

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going to say because most of the time people think
it don't concern it's them.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, let me tell me in and ask you this.
Twenty five the top of our family just joined us
at Reverend Pickman is I guess he's from Beton, Harmon, Michigan.
You've got elections coming up in Benton, Harmon, Michigan. You're
trying to get some candidates who reflect what you think.
How difficult is it to find these candidates because a
lot of times that reverend. When they get in office,
they make the promises, and when they get in office,

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they change. Something happens and instead of serving us, they're
serving other people.

Speaker 7 (20:59):
To humanitarians, we don't need people who motivated by money.
See black people, most of them, not all, those are
motivated by money. They want materialistic games. They want to
they want a nice car, they want the nice house,
but they want to get it at your expense, you know,
and your children expence. They don't want to go out

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here and build a business. And it's most not all
of them. And don't you know, I don't want to
not all, but most of them. Every time we put
people in office, reason unknown, they jumped ship on us.
And and this is what happened with see Uh. I
always talk about Marcus Muhammad from the Nation of Islam.

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He was one of us. I mean he would he
would come at my house, sit it by table, we'll strategize.
And even though it's a little spare trynd came to
my house and set at my table, and then he
told this doubt. He told them, he said, look, why
a't go you run for mayor. Robin Petney will help you,
and you'll get in there, and you're gonna do right

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for the people. He said, Frank, time, where you do
right with the people? W you do right with the people?
Will you do right with the people? Each time he
said yes. As soon as his butt got in there,
he flipped. I mean it was I mean he must
was in there three hours after the election, and he
talking about I ain't going to serve all the people.
And it's not just the black people anymore. Is I

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ain't going to serve everyone. Now, I'm going to do
this and I'm going to sit down with Whirlpool Corporation
in Ada, Mark and Cornerstone, the Alliance, and we're gonna
make a major chain. And basically what he's saying, we're
getting ready to drive y'all black bus out of here,
That's what he's saying. So, yeah, it had happened to

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us so many times that it is scary. But this
time I got a couple of young people, you know,
they in their thirties who can't be taught and once again,
the young man come to my house, sit at my table,
and we strategized, and I tell him, you know, I
can't control him. Only thing I could tell him what's

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best for the community and what we have to do.
We have to make sure we're telling people see that way.
If I didn't tell him, you know, I can't fault him.
But if I do tell you, then I can fault you,
because you know, it ain't no such things. I don't know,
and black people are run through that car in a minute.
I didn't know. I didn't know this, but unfortunately, we

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have to hold these people accountable. I don't care what happened.
We have to do. I remember years ago, we had
our first black alderman. I was living in Chicago and
he had a grew up in and he was the
black Alaman, this negro he was with Daily. And then

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this day I went to work for Daily, but he
was with Daily and they were they were destroying the
black community and some of the some of the people
from the community, they found them dead. You know, that's
you know, like in Chicago, you see they know that
people are coming, so you better do the right thing.

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So we have to make sure that they understand how
serious this Thingie, it's serious, Carl, and it's gonna get
worse it we don't make it better.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, but rev, how do we wake our people up
and to understand, to get them to understand how serious
that the conditions are, because, like you said, some of
them things, I'm just staying on my my square and
they're not coming after me. They don't care about me. Uh,
they don't really want me. There's nothing that that I
have that that they want. How do we you know,
how do we alarm make up people to the alarm
has already gone, that that train has left the station.

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I mean, how do we get them up and to
understand what's going on?

Speaker 7 (24:51):
Look, you know what they all we like? If all
we can do is tell them, that's that's what I
do here. I'm out here. But here's something I'm always
to me when it comes to black people, most of
the time, you always have to give them something in
order for them to listen to you. What we're doing now,
we'll double filtering water, filtering their water. That's unheard of. See,

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the state never thought that black people could think this way.
See See, white people don't think that black people have
the ability to think. I came up with this, me
and my team. We said, well, what we're gonna do.
We're gonna start double filtering people water so that way
we can give it a contniness and lead. And that's

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what I do. I'm giving them something, and that's what
they're they're accepting me now as a person that actually
know what he's talking about. See a lot of time
black people will come out, Oh, he don't know what
he's talking about. He just talks, you know. Uh, he
just want to be seen. He just wanted to want
to get in the newspaper. This is how how we think.

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We don't think that a black pop has the inability
to actually curious. Even though we filed that petition, they
always think it's got to be white people by hind
everything that black people are doing. And I don't do that.
We do what we do and then we end up wrong.

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We make adjustments. If we need to make adjustment, we
make adjustment. And that's why we have meetings and find
out how well we're done and make sure that the
people understand how important. I believe that if we get
out here and everybody got the same message to the people,

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it will stick in it'll deal with them on a
whole different level. Right now, we all over the place.
I mean we I It don't concern me that it's
in Washington, d C. It's in California, that's gonna be
in Chicago, that's gonna be in the same Look, that's
the mentality that we're dealing with. We have to tell
them you are next, whether you like it or not,

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cause they're coming. I'm telling you this. They did your job,
everything of value that you might have. These devils are coming.
They're coming, and we better be prepared mentally, morally, socially,
and economically to deal with these people because they are
they trying to wipe every single black person off this earth.

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They don't care nothing about you, you know, and it's
shameful and it's disgraceful. But we have to make sure
that we're doing what we're supposed to do. Car And
I really appreciate coming on your show at least giving
my perspective on different things.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, we love your perspectives, also love your energy to
six o'clock in the morning at Reverend pick Me. But
what do you what do you say to folks, because
right now you've got elections let's let's take your city
for example, Benton Harvey. You got elections coming up there.
I like most folks in the fall, you've got a
slayer candidates you want to run, and you go to people,
as you mentioned, knock on the door and the they're
ambivalent and whether or not they're going to vote. They'll

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they'll tell you yes, and but in the end of
the day they won't, won't go to the polls, or
won't mail in their ballot. They just don't think it'll
make a difference. And this is across the country, not
just inventing Harbor, by the way, especially in the black community.
We just feel like they're gonna do whatever they want
to do it and you know, we're just it's a
fair of company. So we just sit there and take it.
There's nothing we can do how to convince folks that

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there is something that you can do.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
Well, first of all, we got to make sure we're
telling them the truth. We got to make sure how
this is going to affect you and your children. See,
when I deal with women, I talk about their children
because a mother is more sympathetic towards their children. And
how I tell them, And you know, we got a

(28:47):
good following, go we get really great. In August the primary,
we did great, you know, uh we you know, we
dominated all mostly the important spots. And uh but I
know that I know how white people operate. They will
put a rabbit out of that hat and stop you.

(29:12):
And what we have to do to tell people your
vote matter. We're not gonna get everybody. And I think
this side for a primary. We got more people to
vote in this primary than probably ever before.

Speaker 9 (29:25):
And uh but.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
But they haven't tried to pull that rabbit in the primary.
You don't see the system trying to pull a rabbit
out of that hat. You wait until the November election.
Then they go into their bag of tricks. But we
got to tell the people how important it is now
only to you, but to your children and dudes, you know,

(29:50):
we got we got to challenge them. We can't. We
can't let them sit around here and think whether it
doesn't concern me. I got my own little square right here,
and they ain't gonna comment match with every days you.
I'll put this heater on them. No, that ain't gonna work.
That heat is gonna get shot out of your hand
when they come. They coming. So you got to get

(30:10):
yourself prepared mentally unless start building for the future. And
another thing that I'm trying to do, I'm trying to
get black people to to start opening up businesses, you know,
even it's a little bit, and I don't mean drunk business.
I'm talking about real business where you could go out
here and do something legitimate, because, like I said, they

(30:32):
got us all boxed int We got the Arabs here
running this community. And I tell you, I won't go
to an a rep. So I'm just not gonna do it.
And I try to teach people, but a lot of
black people here don't have automobiles. When you don't have
an automobile, you're gonna go to the closing sport and
that's what they do. If I'm Fortunately, we had start

(30:55):
setting up rads for people for people was abusing the riot.
They wasn't just going to the store. They're going over
their cubsin house and friends house and and that kind
of like, you know, that's not what we're here. Well
we're here to take it to the grocery store. And
uh uh. That that really really threw everybody. Everybody my
team got a little angry and everything. So I had
to cancel that Black we got to keep telling them,

(31:18):
and we got to tell them the truth. You know,
I don't care what it is. If they ever catch
you in a lie, Black people, you know, you'll never
have their attention again. But white folks can lie and
they still get their attentions. That's the difference Black people.
If you out here dealing with these people and they

(31:40):
catch you in one lie, it's over. They ain't gonna
they ain't gonna even listen to you know, all our
line Negro you know, and uh yeah. But the point
is we have to be out here, we have to
be knocking on doors. We're not gonna get everybody, but
we're gonna get some people long as we explain the situation,

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explain the situation properly.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Well, we're come upon a break. We gotta check the
news in our different cities of Reverend Pinney. Before we
go to the news, I'll pose a question for you,
and I'll let you ponder it over the break and
tell us your thoughts when you come back. Many folks people,
not many, but some people in our community figured. You know,
they're throwing in the towel, they're moving, they're going overseas
as you've seen. There's a lot of them going to Africa,
some even going to Europe and even South Central America

(32:27):
and the Caribbean. They're just getting out of dodge because
they know what's coming down. What do you say to
those folks who are on the run, Should they stay
and fight or should they go off and you know,
have a better life for them and their families. I'll
let you respond when we get back after we check
the news. Twenty three minutes away from the top they
have family. Thanks for waking up with us. The news
is next and we'll take your phone calls for Reverend
Pinckney as well after the news.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning. It's a hump day all over
the world. That means we're halfway through the work week.
Everything else is downhill from here if you have to
travel work this morning anyway, I guess this morning is
Reverend Edward Pinckney from Benden Harbor, Michigan. And later we're
going to hear from the former Minister of Information for
Public Enemy, the group Public Enemy, I should say, Professor

(33:31):
Griff will be here before Professor griff that we're going
to speak with it. Pemma Levy PEMIC did a story
in uh Mother Jones magazine that details how they're Republicans
are targeting black democrats to to to uh you know, uh,
to get them out of office. They're redistricting. I should say,
that's what I'm looking what I was looking for. And

(33:53):
she's gonna, you know, name the names who are going
after and you may be shocked by some of the
names there. They're going after them. Before we hear from PEMA, though,
Black Women for Positive Changes, doctor Stephan Mais is going
to be here to explain how the group's peace circles work.
And tomorrow we're going to be joined by DC activists
and humanitarian brother Saint Claire Skinner, also from FBI agent
doctor Tyrone Powers will be here. So if you're just

(34:14):
waking up, please keep your radio Lot and Ted on
in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, or if you're in
the DMV, run FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen fifteen w L All right, Red. Before we left
for the news update, my question to you was that
some people are gonna cut and run. They're going all
over the places are not going to stay because they
see what's coming. What do you say to those folks?

Speaker 7 (34:33):
Well, you know the women. I think this is important
to knowledge make a black man or a black woman
unfit to become a slave. So how how much would
you gield to say our children? You see? Well, I
mean what is your perspective on that? Can you know?

(34:57):
I don't want them to leave here because that dilute
our power. With dilute our power. When we lose people,
we're losing power. You see. We need as many as possible.
Their claiming that we are twelve percent of the population,
I think we're closed the fifteen to sixteen even and
seventeen percent. But the point is their strength in numbers.

(35:22):
I don't want to lose nobody to to Africa or
to some other country and stuff like that. I want
them to maintain here and plant their feet ready to
fight that. That's what I believe in. I believe that
we have to fight back and we have to show
them what we're capable of doing. See, the attack right

(35:44):
now is not just on slavering, it's on jobs. They
control all the jobs, They control the educational system. See, well,
that's because we took that stuff for blood. Granted we
thought that everything was going to be over. Kay, we
don't have to do nothing. We don't have to get
out here and vote nothing because a week too busy

(36:06):
doing nothing, you see. So what we have to do
we have to change our attitude and realize that this
is this is We're in a very dire position and
if we don't change, we will we will be destroyed
by these folks because they're coming. They're coming, They coming

(36:26):
like mad to you, you have seen nothing here. Wait
until twenty twenty six. They're gonna be. Some of these
stuff they voted on now we're going to affect in
twenty twenty six. So we gotta be ready, and we
got to be We got a man up and make
sure that we kill people. How important it is to
stay here and fight.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
All right, that's a message family. That's from Reverend Andred
Pickney from Bench and Humper, Michigan is twelve away from
the top. They oure Reverend Pney is our guest this morning.
We're discussing the political landscape and the changing landscape. But
Reverend Pigney, you've got to admit, though all the changes
that Donald Trump has instituted in the last eight months
since he's been in office. It's going to take decades

(37:07):
if he leaves, even if he leaves tomorrow, it's gonna
take decades to get back some of what we've lost.
And they haven't finished yet. They're coming for voting rights.
It's coming for some more stuff that's on the table
they want to eliminate. So how do we deal with that?
How do you tell for how do you convince people that, uh,
your vote does count when you've especially put it locally
where you are in Benching Harbor, you got elections coming up.

(37:28):
What do you say to folks who say, man, my
boats ain't gonna do anything. These folks got to cover.
They're gonna do whatever they want. What do you tell me?

Speaker 7 (37:36):
Well, you know, I go through the whole thing about
how I pooringy it he is they have the right
people in office, especially on the local Uh uh. When
you're talking locally, it's you know, you your vote can
make a difference. You could decide who could be in there.
You could decide some of the decisions. And on a

(37:57):
national level it's a little different, but on the local
you could be you you know, your vote means a
lie because you can make decisions that people like like
you can't make when you vote on the national level,
but on a local level, you get yourself prepared mentally
to go in there and do what you need to
do and put and don't be putting in your cousin,

(38:17):
your your uncles and and and all all this stuff
in the all. And you know they know good. See
see one thing, one thing or about about us. You
know we we you know, we we put thieves in
the office and then we expect them to act like angels,
you see, So don't do that. Go out in there
and vote. Look at them stuff. If you don't know,

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act somebody. Let's let's make sure that we're doing everything
we're supposed to do for the future of our children.
And here's another thing we got to We got to
attack this educational system. You see. We usually, you know,
we send our children off the school, you go to work,
and a lot of times parents gonna be checking on

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them and stuff like that. Let's find out what our
children are doing in school, because that that prepared to
hear Ben Harvard, they started messing with the educational system
over thirty years ago. I saw it. I saw what
they was doing. I saw with my children what they
were doing, and I wasn't gonna allow my children to

(39:22):
uh uh, to fall into that net. And because I
know that they didn't care nothing about our children. And
but we got to deal with our children education. Give
them the ability to become critical thinkers. You see, that's
what we like right now. A lot of our children
don't have that ability. That's why they got them praying.
These these games, all these these games. That's another thing.

Speaker 6 (39:44):
This is just me.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
I hate them games, you know. And my son he
designs them too, and I and like I told him,
you know, and he's some kind of engineer, he do
that stuff. But he he does, I said, I said,
but I don't like him. I do not like that.
I don't want our children to be able to become
critical thinkers, that's what I want. I don't want our

(40:08):
children to be to to make sure that they can
stand on their own two feet and fight this war
because we have seen nothing yet. We're at war. This
is no conflict.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
This is jump in here, ref Let me jump for
a second here at nine.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
Away from the top, mentally more insult and ready to
fight right now because they're coming.

Speaker 10 (40:31):
Let me jump in here and get all these years.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
They've been trying to set this up for today, all
these years. This is this is what they've been trying
to do with Democrat Republicans, makes no difference.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, the rep Let me get eight away from the
top down.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
Hey, this is what we're gonna do. Take it or
leave it, but we got to make sure we're doing
what we're supposed to.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Do, all right, rep. Can you hear?

Speaker 7 (41:00):
I can hear you will?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Okay, cool. Here's the advice for your son who designs
these games, and all the people who are the smart
people who are into this sort of technology, if they
can get them designed these games for our children, so
they can if they can have enjoyment and pleasure of
playing the games, but also learning at the same time,
because learn about our history, learn about what we have

(41:22):
to do as a people. If they can incorporate that,
because they're taking the history out of the books. So
if we can, like your son and all the people
in his sector, if they can design these games to
edify our people, especially our children, I think that'd be
a real positive move.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I think that that would be beautiful.
I never thought about it. You know, I guess I
was so against these games. I never really sat down
and had a conversation with him in reference to what
he can do and what he should be doing. And
he's like that, you know, I'm pretty sure, Uh, Matthew,

(42:01):
he's coming to visit me to Thursday tomorrow and uh
from from Illinois, and he we're definitely gonna have a
conversation in reference to that because he's going to run
some stuff past me and uh, we're gonna have a
nice conversation something that that that could maybe propel him
to a whole different level. And these these games, Uh,

(42:23):
I'm going to bring make sure I bring that up
so he can at least hear it. And what he
do with that information pretty much gonna be on him.
But I'm I'm prepared mentally to deal with it. So
I'm I'm I'm looking at it. I'm I'm ready to go.
Thank you. I appreciate that that was right on time.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, and this goes for all of us, you know,
any whatever sector you're working, and even your talents to
help us as a people. You know, we've got some
really super talented folks in all sectors of the economy,
business and science, but they all they're working for the
other folks. At some point, you've got we've got to
get some garfy in them, in them to understand that,
you know, race first, that's what the other folks do.

(43:03):
It's race first. But so many of our people, when
they reach a certain level, they're so addicted to white
they don't they don't think about us, you know, they
think they've arrived. So we've all our educated folks. You're
listening to me, I'm speaking to you this morning. You
use your talents to.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
Help us man, and you know, we are one of
the things that we got to get over. We gotta
stop thinking because it's white folks, it's right. You know,
Uh we go to a white store, we go to
uh buy stuff from white people. Uh uh uh it's
good and stuff like that. Gee, that's the mentality that

(43:41):
that circulated in the community. Then they use the news
media to to to to uh to to take them
to a whole different level, because that's what the news
media do. See watching news, you see, I would tell
my people today watching news on on on NBC, ABC
and stuff like that, you got to be able to

(44:03):
cipher what's good and what's bad because they lie and
it's okay, you know, maybe maybe one word in the
and the whole thing that's true, but the best of
the don't. Don't tell the story. And we got we
got to be able to deal with with with with
stuff like that. We haven't been able to deal call
we believe what they say, you know. And and and

(44:26):
we got to change. We got to get one hundred
percent better, and we got to get stronger mentally, you know.
And if we could do that, we will be successful.
I'm guaranteeing that, Car.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
I I echo your thoughts. Uh, we're coming up on
a bat and we come back. Though Bob and Buffalo
has a question or a comment for you family. You
two can get in on this conversation, I guess. Reverend
Edward Pinckney, Reverend Pinckney is from Benon Harber, Michigan. There
he's one of the activists there. He started out first
with with the water before he leaves, gotta tell us
if the water is still dirty, has been doing this

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for more than a decade. And what he does when
the city would refuse to clean the waters for our community,
Reverend Pinney went out and bought bottle of water and
took it to our communities, took it to our schools,
to our children, into the homes where black folks live.
So if you got a question about that, reach out
to us at eight hundred and four five zero seventy
eight to seventy six and we'ld take a phone calls.

(45:21):
After the Trafficking Weather that's next.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
You're fucking with the most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Ground Rising family. Thanks for waking up with us on
this Wednesday morning. I guess it's a Reverend Edward Pinkney,
MoMA Cheller are going to speak with doctor Stephanie Wis
from Black Women for Positive Changed. But let's wrap up
with Reverend Pingky. Reverend Pittney. As I mentioned before we
left for the trafficking Weather update that Bob and Buffalo
has a question or a comment for us online too.
Grand Rising, Bob, you're on with Reverend Paintney.

Speaker 11 (46:16):
It's a blessed love and grand Rising. I want to
thank you, Reverend Pickney, because you haven't made this a
grand Rising this morning. I love your spirit, I love
your energy, and we need to take that global. I
want to remind people something that you said, is that
Trump is just a puppet, he's just the front man.
That there are people behind him. And that's what we

(46:38):
really have to worry about, because the people behind him
are giving him the road map in the directions. I
just want to thank you for your spirit, and I
hope we can take.

Speaker 12 (46:47):
A global because this is a global beast we're fighting.

Speaker 11 (46:51):
It's a very regressive, reactionary trying to rewrite history, trying
to rewrite the truth talking about slavery. And if he
wasn't a slave, I guess it wasn't bad for you.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
Yes, absolutely, I agree, one hundred percent. You know, Uh,
if you didn't take part in it, and you're looking
at it from the outside, it wasn't bad at all.
You said, Well, at least they got they got one
meal a day, you know, so what if they have
to work twelve fourteen hours a day, that don't mean nothing,
you know. So what they was raped and they raped

(47:25):
out women that you know that raped our men. They
they did everything they you know, and and and in
the day eysight, it's not bad because they're trying to
soften it up. And uh, but we want to tell
our people right now, we're at war. This is a war,
this is a conflict, and we better get our prepared,
ourself prepared because they are coming. They're coming like never before.

(47:47):
Remember this is only the first six months of Trump
administration with the people behind him pulling the strings. So
that's how this is going to be get ourselves prepared
mentally and take this thing to a whole different. We
need to start going in them projects and talking to
these people because one of the things I do here.
We got this building called Harbor Tower is really drug infested,

(48:11):
but that's one of my playgrounds. That's where I go
and knock on people do it. That's where I go
and and try to encourage them to come out and
and uh and try to work with them because I
try to give them a little bit every single day
I see them. I try to have something different that
tells them so they can get themselves prepared mentally and
think about what I see.

Speaker 11 (48:33):
Yes, sir, I can. I can feel the strengths of
guys that you are walking with. Keep on walking, brother,
and you you you help me have a grand rise.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
In this morning.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Oh thank you. I will all right.

Speaker 11 (48:44):
Guidance and protection to you, sir. Guidance and protection.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Thank you all right, thanks, thanks Bobby and Buffalo. When
when you knock on the doors, what do people tell you?
What are their concerns?

Speaker 7 (48:56):
Well, sometimes they say, oh it's him, I know he
got something to say. But I asked him, what can
I do for you? See? See that's that's a question.

Speaker 9 (49:08):
You know, what can I do for you?

Speaker 7 (49:10):
You know, how can I help you? You know? That's
that's how I greet people. You know, what can I
do for you? And and and like I said, like
my phone, See I'm available twenty four seven. You know,
you can call me anytime. People call me all through
the night, you know. And but but I make myself available.

(49:33):
You know, people who he don't even like me call
me and want advice, you know. And and so that's
that's important too, because I'm not trying to win no
popularity contest. I'm trying to get the future of our children, right,
That's what I'm going for. And then I have a sacrifice.
I'm willing to do it, you.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Know, Reverend Paton. I wish we could clone you and
put you in just every city where people are, you know,
especially in the South and the western, especially the urban
centers where where our people especially our young people are
conflicted under attack, as many of them don't know they're
on attack. I wish we could do that. But Reverend pinging,
before we let you go though, uh, elections coming up?

(50:15):
What anything else you're working on? Is the water still
contaminated in Ben Harbor?

Speaker 5 (50:20):
It is.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
And what we're doing now, like I said earlier, were
we're doing something that's so remarkable. We're we're double filtering
the water. It's it's because because our children is still
drinking at water even though it's contaminated. And that pierced
my heart when I see my children going over there

(50:40):
drinking water from the facets, knowing that the water is contaminating.
The mothers can tell them, but you still they still
do it. So what I'm when I'm doing now, me
and my team, we're going around. We have put it
in two hundred and fifty double filters in the neighborhood.
So we we got we got some more. We got
you know, we gotta so they can kill your contaminants

(51:02):
and they kill lead. So that that's where we're at
right now, and we work. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're
gonna put up, We're gonna put five hundred home. We're
gonna find five running home and we're gonna h double
filter five hundred home. That's the goal right now. That's
what we're pushing, and that's where we're at right now,
and people loving it. The water tase is better. It
tastes better than bottled water if they double filter the water.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
All right, listen, how can folks help you if they
want to help you, because I mean, this has got
to You're doing this out of your own pocket. How
can people help you?

Speaker 7 (51:33):
How can they if they want to help you? Center
check to BANKO B A n C O. Nineteen forty
Union Avenue, Benton Harbor, Michigan, four nine O two two.
I repeat, that's BANKO B A n C O. Nineteen

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forty Union Avenue, Benton Harbor, Michigan, four nine O two two.
Or you can call me at two six nine three
six nine eight two five seven. That's two sixty nine
three six nine eight two five seven. And I tell
you I want to lead this with everybody.

Speaker 9 (52:13):
We are at war.

Speaker 7 (52:15):
Gets yourself prepared mentally because this thing is not gonna
get any better over the next three years. It's not
so uh. Then he's gonna try taking affect and it's
gonna attact you and your children for the rest of
your life.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
All right.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Thanks, thanks for the morning, Reverend Pickney. Thank you and
thank you for joining us this morning. Information.

Speaker 7 (52:37):
Everybody, have a great day, and thank you.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
For what you do because you've been doing this for
decades with the water fights. I just want to thank
you for doing that.

Speaker 7 (52:46):
Thank you, Thank you for saying that, y'all. You we
don't get too much time words, you know, they they
we we here have to keep moving, keep pushing it
and making it happen.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
All right. That's Reverend Edward Pinckney from Benton Harbor, Michigan.
Is still on the front. Brother's been on there for
decades finding clean water for our residents out in Ben Harper, Michigan.
Let's turn her attention down to our next guest from
the doctor, Stephanie Meyers. Doctor Stephanie Meris has led fourteen
years of months of the Non Violence Families and Understanding
Artificial Intelligence Global Violence Prevention Initiative. She is the National

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co chair of Black Women for Positive Change. She's also
a president of the Positive Change Foundation. She's also the
vice president of R. J. Myers Publishing Company. Doctor Myers,
Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 13 (53:31):
Good morning, Carl, Thank you very much, and grand rising
to all of your wonderful listeners.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Tell us about the peace circles, because you know, we've
we see a lot of stuff going on in our community,
but it's the violence that we're trying to figure out
away how we get a handle on the violence. And
you came up with the peace circle, so you know,
and you made this part of your program of nonviolence.
How did that come about?

Speaker 13 (53:58):
Oh, I'd be glad to share that with you, and
and Carl, we should have Jamal adape Jones joining us
also because he's an expert in this peace circle area.
But restorative justice peace circles is something that really is
not new. It really got started some years ago in
communities like Oakland and around the country where people realized

(54:21):
they needed to create an environment where people could sit
and talk and exchange.

Speaker 14 (54:27):
Their feelings, their honest feelings.

Speaker 13 (54:30):
So peace circles are this wonderful method of being able
to sit down with people that you know and people
that you don't know and exchange honest information. So what
we've started to do the last few years is to
encourage organizations and schools and businesses and families to sit

(54:52):
down and have a real honest conversation. A couple of
times a month, we see this.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
See the violence is on different levels though, Doctor Myrias,
can you speak to that. There's the violence in the streets,
violence in the homes. Is it a difference or it's
all just violence?

Speaker 6 (55:09):
You know?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Is it just like you know cancers? This cancer doesn't
matter where it is, It's just cancer. How do you
see it?

Speaker 13 (55:15):
Well, the issue of violence is really one that everyone
on this call. And I want to give a shout
out to Reverend paint Me because what a tremendous leader
he is. That's the issue of violence.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
That's so DODR. Myers line did not drop there sounded
like a line dropped. Karen K See if you can
get doctor Myers back. Doctor Stephanie Myers's I guess family
from Blackming for Positive Change, and what they do is
they have a monthlong of nonviolence and they've created what
they call a peace circle. What she's about to tell
us about it at least for thirteen years now, started locally,

(55:52):
now it's internationally too. I want to talk to her
about that as well, and hopefully one of the persons
who facilitated the peace circle that Jamal Jones, well Jonas
as well, because he went to the White House. Well
when Joe Binen was was in the White House, he
went to the White House to talk about and this
it's the culture of violence that we have to change
in our community. And coming up following her, we're going

(56:13):
to speak with Pemma. Pema Levy is going to talk
about her the article she wrote for Mother Jones. She's
going to call name some names, the gop of all
you back on, Okay, good, go ahead, I let you
finish your thought.

Speaker 13 (56:27):
Okay. So talking about peace, that America was born into violence,
and that's something our community has to really face with.
The onset of themis the genocide against Native Americans, the
slavery that our the enslavements that our ancestors were subjected
to was violence. And even the white indentured servants that

(56:49):
came from Europe were let out of prisons, thousands of them,
and they were violent. So we've got to change the
culture of violence. And I believe that this is something
that people with African heritage, black heritage, the West Indians,
people of color, people of all backgrounds, we must realize
that that is the root problem. We have a culture

(57:12):
of violence on television, in the movies, just the video
games Carl are incredibly violent, and so we have basically
created this world. We did have created the system of
racism and exploitation and violence, created this system that our
children and our families are subjected to. So that's something

(57:35):
we really have to face and we have to ask
ourselves what tools can we use to change this violent culture.
And that's where the peace circles come in and why
we have the annual Month of Nonviolence Families and this
year we're also focusing on artificial intelligence.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Yeah, it's thirteen A waste tough. I was telling the
family that you started locally. Now you're in a can
you can explain that how it spread. How you know
this idea of nonviolence, you've spread it. Now it's got
an international bend to it.

Speaker 13 (58:12):
Well. Absolutely. When Trayvon Martin got killed, we along with
so many thousands and millions of people around the country,
we were devastated and we said, look, something's got to
be done. We cannot lose our young people, our young, beautiful,
brilliant black men and our young girls. And this was
a case of that, so we decided to start a

(58:34):
day of nonviolence and we started it in Washington, d C.
Reverend doctor Barbara Reynolds, who you know very well, was
one of the originators, and she said, we need to
focus on nonviolence and peace. So we had one day
and then after a few years, other cities started to
ask can we get involved? And we said sure, and

(58:57):
we expanded to a week of nonviolence and families and
voting rights. And then more people wanted to get involved
in people overseas. So the last couple of years we've
had events in America in Alabama, California, d C, Florida, Kentucky,
New York, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia, Illinois, and last year.

(59:19):
In the last few years we have had our brothers
and sisters from overseas in South Korea, Dona, Kenya, Liberia, Malawi, Nigeria,
and Zimbobli. So we are now a global effort to
change the culture of violence.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Wow, I didn't know it's that large, if well amazing.
Fifteen after the top AF family, I guess is doctor
Stephanie meis from Black Men for Positive Change. They've been
on a question that to curtail the violence in our
communities and now it's worldwide. As you mentioned, she started
in Washington, DC. But doctor to mis what was it
that you started because you were the co founder? What
was it the finance you saw that this was your

(59:56):
slice of the pie, and this is something that we
need to deal with, we need to tackle. What was
it about you that triggered you to create this?

Speaker 15 (01:00:05):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:00:05):
Coming out of the Black Power movement, Carl, all of
us who came out through the sixties and the seventies,
our mission was to change the life of Black Americans
in America, and those of us who were privileged to
listen to and watch Malcolm X and some of our leaders,
doctor Martin, Luther King and Kwame tore and all the

(01:00:29):
various leaders that we had. I came through that life.
So as I became involved in my professional life, I
worked at Health and Human Services for five years as
one of the leaders in the Say No to Drugs campaign.
You just see things firsthand and you see what's happening
to our community. So it just became a part of

(01:00:51):
my life to integrate this outreach and this effort into
the business that my husband and I have, publishing, and
then for my volunteers of work. We do this effort
to try to reach out to people, and this year, Carl,
we're also including artificial intelligence because it's really really critical
that people like Reverend Pintney and leaders across the country

(01:01:14):
realize that this change that is happening is happening so fast,
we've got to get on top of it. So September seventeenth,
before the month non Violence in October, we're going to
have a training session and people can go to our website,
Black Women for Positive Change dot org and sign up
for the artificial intelligence workshop.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Now you don't hold up thoughe right there, DODR Myers.
I'll let you expand on that if we'll come back
from the short break. It's seventeen minutes after the top
of our family. I guess there's a doctor, Stephanie Myers.
You want to speak to her. Reach out to us
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
It's next.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Now back to the Carl Nelson, Shy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for waking up with us.
It's twenty minutes after the top. They all, I guess
this doctor Stephanie Myers from Black Women for Positive Change
to Dr Myers telling us about the annual convention they're
having and this year they're going to spotlight AI, artificial intelligence.
So doctor Mars, why don't you finish your thoughts tell
us about the conference was coming up, when it's gonna
and where it's gonna be, and tell us why AI.

Speaker 13 (01:02:44):
Okay, Well, when we say conference, what we really mean
is we want all of the people around the world
to have their own conferences in their own communities, either
virtually or face to face. So we're going to have
this AI workshop September seventh. It will be on zoom.
People can sign up at Black Women Propositive Change dot

(01:03:05):
org and we're going to have a ninety minute training
session led by one of the black female experts in AI,
doctor Denise Turley, and she's going to explain the ABC's
of AI. But what's really interesting, Carl is we're starting
to look at how can AI help stop violence? See,

(01:03:26):
we have to look at this as an opportunity. We
have to look at what's happening in the country and
all of the dynamics that are taking place right now
as an opportunity for our community. To step up and
lead the change to create a new world order, and
artificial intelligence can be part of that. We have people

(01:03:46):
in our group ord creating videos and audios and you
can see them on our website where you can, and
young people love this, so this is a way to
attract their attention. How can we use AI to check
change the life of people who are experiencing some of
these apprecious situations. Now we know, Carl that in spite

(01:04:07):
of what some people are saying, there have been some
lowering of violence persistence in the country. So this is
a good good thing that our community has be done
the benefit from less violence.

Speaker 16 (01:04:20):
But we have to be the leaders with this.

Speaker 13 (01:04:23):
And Carl has a jumult signed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
In yet and no he has not.

Speaker 13 (01:04:29):
Okay, alrighty, Well, the idea of what we're trying to
do is we want families, schools, organizations to host their
own events. They can go to the Month of Nonviolence
dot org Month of Nonviolence dot org and sign up
an event. They can have their own activity. It might

(01:04:50):
be with their grandchildren in the backyard, it might be
at church with hundreds of people, it might be at
a w rec center. And it's really fascinating, Carl, as
people come up with all kinds of different approaches on
how they want to deal with not only lessening the
issue of violence, but creating opportunities. And that's what we

(01:05:10):
really need to focus on now, how do we create
opportunities and pathways to success for people so they're not
going through depression and conflict and misery.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Twenty three after the top, they are with doctor Stephanie
Myers from Black Women for Positive Changed. Doctor Myers, you
often talk about changing the culture of violence and changing
the and this country was born on violence, is made
of violence. Rap Brown told us you talked about the sixties.
So how are you going to change that? If we
look outside the streets of Washington, d C. See all
these law enforcing agents walking around the streets, just their

(01:05:46):
very presence, you know, implies that there's something violent, that's
why they're there. So how we're going to change that culture?
Doctor Myers, Well.

Speaker 13 (01:05:54):
We are really definitely in a situation now. I live
in Washington, DC, and I'm from Los Angeles like you, Carl,
and we know that both of our cities have had
incredible in just invasions of military forces and National Guard
and all of these things. We have to go back

(01:06:15):
to what our brothers, our husbands, our fathers, our grandfathers
did a century ago. They had to talk. The men
who led the families that survived in America and succeeded
our brothers, our husbands, my husband, our fathers. They sat

(01:06:35):
down with the young people and explained to them the
reality of what they were facing in Jim Crow and
in slavery, and in the Black Power movement. We have
to go back to those days where the men in
our families, the women in our families explained to the
young people in these cities today that you may be

(01:06:57):
confronted by a law enforcement officer and how you handle
that confrontation will determine whether you walk away free, whether
you may go to prison. Now, we know it's not
completely going to be in their control, but we do
know that the talk explaining to young people how to
behave can be very, very helpful in making sure that

(01:07:21):
they survive. So this is something during the Month of
Nonviolence in October we would love to see people sign
up to say they're going to do a workshop on
the talk explaining to young people how to handle it
if you get confronted by a law enforcement officer. Do
some role planes, show people how to interface, show them

(01:07:43):
how to behave how to respond. Our kids need to
be in real role playing situations where there's a character
there who's a rough, racist, vicious talk somebody playing that role,
how should the young person be ask green, cry, curse
or try to de escalate? De Escalation works, And that's

(01:08:05):
something we have to teach our community. How do you
de escalate potentially gaineous situations. So this is something that
all of these people on your call, Carl, they're brilliant
people and they know how to do it. Okay, people,
let's get busy. We have to change this culture, not
only for our community, but for this larger oppressive community.

(01:08:27):
They don't realize that they're being used to try to
destroy us, and it's going to destroy them too. The
poor whites out of rural communities have been treated like
what the elites call them, trailer trash. Doctor King said,
we need to come together. Reverend Barber is saying these
things today. The communities that suffer from the same problems

(01:08:50):
of poverty and oppression need to come together and find
common grounds and not allow ourselves to be manipulated to
be the enemy all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Right twenty eight after the top of Hour with doctor
Stephan Meyers from Black Women for Positively Change for doctor Myers.
These decisions that you have to make a decision in
a split second. You talked about not just our young people,
are adults too. It all kinds when it comes to finance,
it comes to the temperature raising. You feel that you're
getting enraged and you're getting you're getting mad, you want

(01:09:23):
to go off, and it's it's what are some of
the techniques that can be used to to, you know,
keep it down a little bit, to edge it down
so you don't go crazy if you stop by a cop,
if you're going on any way to school and you
get provoked and and they challenge you, and you want
to feel like you you want to respond, but you
don't want to You want to quote unquote punk out.
You know, he challenges so you feel that you have

(01:09:46):
to be a man, a man up and respond or
a woman up and respond. What sort of technique that
you you save yourself with, you know, when you're confronted
by those issues.

Speaker 13 (01:09:56):
Well, there's there's an industry that I've become very very
fond of, the conflict resolution industry. Mediation. There are people
in our communities who are experts and answering that question, Carl,
but a lot of us have never heard of them.
We have people in our community who are affiliated with

(01:10:17):
organizations that specialize in conflict resolution. Now, what does that mean.
That means that when you're confronted with someone who doesn't
agree with you, you don't have to fight against them.
You need to number one, except that they do have
a right to have a different opinion and just kind
of back off a little bit and let them express themselves.

(01:10:40):
If they try to get you into a fight, one
of you has to stay calm. One of you has
to be an adult or be mature. If they're challenging you,
you have to respect their point of view, but at
the same time, don't escalate the situation. Now, this is
something our churches are community centers, our families. They can

(01:11:03):
get conflict resolutions books and experts and learn how to
do this on our website. On a Month of Nonviolence
dot org website, we have a video on pace circles
and how they work. We also are going to have
posted up it's not there yet, that it will be
in a few days. A peace circle toolkit and so

(01:11:25):
if people sign up to be part of our event,
we can sign up at month nonviolence dot Org to
do an event during October. We will send them a
free piece Circle toolkit and show them how they can
create an environment to teach people how to handle conflicts.
See America is based on confrontation. If somebody messes with me,

(01:11:49):
I'm gonna mess with them. If somebody wants to hit me,
I'm gonna hit them harder. If somebody wants to create
some kind of a fight, I'm gonna fight harder. That
is the American system that has to be changed. We
know that in our tribal culture, there have been ways
that the village comes together, Carl. We have always had

(01:12:11):
a beautiful village in Black America during the enslavement period,
Jim Crow. But our villagers have begun to disappear because
our families have broken up. We have to rebuild the
families and rebuild the village. And in the village, your
uncle would step up and say, hey, wait a minute, guys,

(01:12:31):
your grandfather would step up, you're a neighbor would step
up and stop the fight. But now that the village
has been almost wiped out, there's no one there to
help the young people realize, no, you don't want to
do this, because you'll get kicked out of school, you'll
go to juvenile's delinquency, you might end up in prison.

(01:12:51):
We all have relatives who've experienced that. I have a
close relative who experienced twenty six years in prison and
it was a hot You couldn't tell him anything, but
people didn't know how to get him to calm down.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Twenty eight away from the top there, Doctor Stephanie Meyers
from Black Women for Policy Changed. Doctor Myers, a question
for you, though, how do we reach our young people?
And I think I told you this story before with
our young people. There's a sister, elderly sister on the
Metro and these young young children I call them young
were acting out, you know, using all kinds of profane

(01:13:30):
language and stuff. The things that we did to do
we respected our elders, but this is a different group
of children, are young people that we have today. And
when she told them, you know, to watch their mouth,
you know, they went at her, not physically, but you know,
started berating her so much so that she got off
the bus before her stop. And she called in and
mentioned that, and you know, my question was the bus

(01:13:51):
driver didn't say anything, she said no, nobody said anything.
The other adults too, Most of them just moved to
the front of the bus instead of letting the children.
Do they keep on children? They're young? They were probably
teenagers just going buck wild on the bus. What has
happened because back in the day, we would not disrespect
elders like that. We wouldn't have even used profanity around

(01:14:11):
that would call them out of their names. Did what
was the breakdown? How did that happen? Can we repair
it as well? That's the key question.

Speaker 13 (01:14:21):
Yeah, well that goes back to the family again, Carl,
because people have to be taught at very young ages.
Our great grandchildren are three years old and five years
old and seven years old, and you have to start
right there. These kids are so smart. You have to
teach them how to be polite, how to be respectful

(01:14:41):
at the age of two and three. By the time
they get to be sixteen, it gets to be too late.
But it's not too late because we have to still
work with them. And that's where our churches are so
critical and our organizations. But you know, Carl, there's a
lot of denial out here, a lot of people don't
want to believe what you just said. The kids would
cuss out an elder on a bus. We got a

(01:15:04):
lot of people who are into.

Speaker 17 (01:15:05):
Some kind of, you know, another world with their minds.

Speaker 13 (01:15:09):
They have to realize that this is all true. I
asked a minister one time if he would give a
sermon on stopping violence from the pulpit, and he said,
are you kidding? He said, half the people in my
congregation are victims of domestic violence. He said, if I
get up here and give us on violence, I'll lose

(01:15:31):
my congregation. Can you believe that he would not give
a sermon on violence? We need and we asked the
ministers to please during the month of October give a
sermon on violence. We're also asking people to do our
Peace Pledge and that's going to be up on the website.
The Peace Pledge is something we've created that we would

(01:15:52):
love to see people sign up to do a video
or an audio that can go on TikTok and Instagram.
When they sign up for the month and on violence,
they can say I'm signing up to do a peace
pledge and we will send it to them. It's just
a very quick sixty second pledge where people pledge to
have peace and to.

Speaker 18 (01:16:13):
Respect each other.

Speaker 13 (01:16:15):
And we want people to videotape that and if we
can make it go viral, if we can get a
different message out there to people that they're going to
love and respect each other, that would be tremendous.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Twenty six away from the top of their foundery, Doctor
Stephanie Meyers from Black Women for Positive Changed, Doctor Myers,
in the past, you've viewers young people, I think rappers,
and are the people involved in theater to get the
message across to our young people. Are you still doing
that or is that still part of your arsenal to
help people reduce violence in our community.

Speaker 13 (01:16:47):
Absolutely, and that's why we want people to do this
peace circle. They can wrap it, they can sing it,
they can dance it, however they want to do it
would be terrific and the peace Pledge, excuse me, That's
why we want people to do the pledge. We also
have free movies up on the internet. If people go
to our website, Black Women for Positive Change, they'll see

(01:17:09):
free movies that they can show in their community and
the kids love them. And their movies on stopping violence.
One of them is called On Second thought, and this
is a philosophy that we're trying to get out there.
When you're feeling angry and you feel like fighting, have
a second thought. And we have a film on that
that people can watch. They can show it to their

(01:17:31):
young people and then have a discussion about that. The Carl.
One of the things I was hoping we could do
this morning is if any of your listeners would call
in and tell us what experience they've had with violence
and how they handled it. I would love to hear
what people might wish to share. Would that be something
we could do?

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Sure, listen about that and listen, let me say a doctormize.
You don't have to use your real name of your
real city, but just tell us what the the incident
was and how you dealt with it. Doctor mars is right.
Violence is you know, this is part of the American culture,
and this is what the black men for positive change.
You're working on it and trying to change that. But
we came upon a break. But my question to you,

(01:18:10):
and you know again, during the break you can call
it eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Well,
he checked us out. Dr Myers, Young people how have
you tried to get this program into the schools, in
the public schools, even in the private schools. And I'll
let you talk about that when we get back. And
also family, anyone's out there who's you know been in

(01:18:30):
a violent situation you feel you want to share it
with us again. You don't have to use your real
name or your real city. Share it with us and
how you dealt with this. We want to hear from
you again. The phone number is eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seven six. I won't take your calls.
After we check the news trafficking with in our different cities,
we'll take those calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks

(01:19:07):
for starting your Wednesday with us. Our guest is doctor
Stephanie Meyers from Black Women for Positive Change. Later this morning,
we're going to speak with the former Minister of Information
for Public Enemy, Professor griff will be here. Also investigative
reporter pemmer Levy from Mother Jones. She's going to be
with us to discuss her article. She wrote an article
of family that shows that the GOP has been targeting
black Democrats for defeat and she's going to mention some

(01:19:30):
names for us as well, and coming up tomorrow are
gonna hear from a DC actress and humanitarian, Sinclair Skinner
and also former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers will be here.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure your raid
is locktin tied on ten ten WLB or if we're
end the DMV. We're on FM ninety five point nine
and AM fourteen fifty WL. All right, Doctor Myers. Before
we left for the news update, you made a request

(01:19:52):
to anybody who's been through a situation that with violence,
and I told Nek a calling they didn't have to
use your real name of real city, and we got
some folks who want to share their experience is with us.
Let's go to line one. James is in Baltimore City.
James here on with Dr Myers. It's James on Line one.

Speaker 17 (01:20:10):
Yes, I've been in for years and I've experienced freds,
but no one ever.

Speaker 9 (01:20:21):
Struck me because I had a way.

Speaker 10 (01:20:23):
Of doing things.

Speaker 17 (01:20:25):
That is that I treat them as kindness number one
and number two, I always trying to dress them as
a young man mos of misisine, Surrey, I may I
speak with you for a minute, and if I'm on
the bus, we would go outside and talk, and then

(01:20:46):
I find out a little bit more about that person
then I would have known, but just not speaking.

Speaker 14 (01:20:54):
To them at all.

Speaker 17 (01:20:56):
And that's how I got been of a lot of
situations that could have been real bad, but it didn't happen.

Speaker 13 (01:21:06):
So that's my wonderful Did did did the people respond
to you when you would reach out to them and
ask them could you speak with them? How did how
did they reacten to you?

Speaker 9 (01:21:18):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:21:20):
Number one is that the young people. I had less
problems out of young folks than the older folks. So
when the young one, you speak to a young man
and say, uh, serve man, I speak to you for
a minute, and you go all and transportation and talk,
I'll find out a lot what's going on then trying

(01:21:44):
to speak to them to the homele bus at one time.
And that's the reason why I kept learning. They were
learning and I was still learning, and I was in
transating forty years.

Speaker 19 (01:22:00):
All right, Thanks jearing that story.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, thank you for sharing your story with us. Thirteen
Away from the Top There Stina's online.

Speaker 16 (01:22:08):
Three.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Stina's calling us from Rockville in Maryland, Grand Rising. Stina,
You're on with DODR.

Speaker 19 (01:22:12):
Myers good morning. What a fantastic program this morning. One
of the reasons I'm calling is because I got tired
of nodding my head while driving, thought i'd pull over
and give a suggestion. Having initially come from Washington, I
grew up there, one of the things that was just paramount,

(01:22:33):
I thought in every family was that you had to talk.
I think when we moved outward, some of us and
became more affluent, we forgot to remind our children that
we still have to have that talk with them. So
one of the suggestions that I'm putting forth is I

(01:22:53):
have a special need son. Also, one of the things
that we worried about when he was growing up because
of processing was being uh he travels alone, was being
in a situation where a policeman did not immediately know
how to deal with it. And one of the things
we did was we everybody seemed to be so isolated

(01:23:15):
that we started to bring policemen in to talk with
them about what they should do, how they should respond
to even others in this subway. And I guess one
of the things that I wanted to also bring forth
was that the police and children. I'm old enough to

(01:23:36):
remember officer friendly okay. So having said that, having the
police come in and talk and introduce seemed to have
for a while. I think it was something that parents
came up with opposed to the system. The system was
a little different. They wanted to put people in the neighborhood.
But I also which is a great idea, but I

(01:23:58):
also believe that when you're interacting with children one on
one in a different environment than it works, you start
to learn about each other and grow and even it
may even help in this area for more children to
want to be police again. But they also realize that
they have friends on the police force or you know,

(01:24:19):
officers so and so. Explain this and what I see
it occur in this area. But it's like a passing thing.
You'll see it in the newspaper, policemen jumping with kids,
and you don't see it again the next time you
see the interaction, it's violence. That's all I had to say.

Speaker 13 (01:24:36):
Well, what you're saying is really right on, because that
can be a peace circle. You can have a peace
circle with police, you can have a peace circle with
the teachers, the superintendent. If we can bring together the
young people around leaders. We went to the White House
last October and had a peace circle in the Bible
White House with the head of the Office of Violence Prevention.

(01:25:00):
Of course that office has been wiped out now, but
they were then there. So really, we encourage you to
do what you're saying, have the young people sit down
and talk. It might be with the mayor of your community.
We're reaching out to different mayors across the country because
it's a great experience for the young people to be
able to go into the office of someone and sit

(01:25:21):
down and talk honestly with them. So yes, I think
having the police and the young people have a peace
circle would be wonderful. And I hope you'll go to
our Month of Nonviolence dot org and maybe sign up
and maybe coordinate something and that would be great and
send pictures of it, and that would be wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
All right, Thanks Tina, And let me just say this
a tent away from the top of that with doctor
stephanimis from Black Women for Positive Change. How important because
she mentioned they have that talk with your child about
what happens you go outside the street and you're confronted
by police officers or especially now in the streets of Washington,
d C. And they say they're coming in New York.
Chicago was the other city of LA Trump's gonna put

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these troops on the station. How important do you have
that quote unquote talk with your children, especially a male child.

Speaker 13 (01:26:11):
Today it's critical more than ever before because they're targeting
young African American males. The I believe it was the
Secretary of Justice or the Attorney General for DC. One
of them in this press conference last week said that
they want to target kids ages fourteen, six fifteen, and sixteen,

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and that they felt that they shouldn't be in juvenile
delinquency centers doing artwork and learning how to meditate and
things like that they needed to get punished, and they
wanted to target young black people and people of color
ages fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. Come on, So the parents, the ministers,

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the neighbors, everyone has to mobilize and realize that our
young people are being targeted. But the flip side of it, Carl,
is that the brilliance in our young people is what
we have to unleash. Our young people have understood how
to use all this technology. They can create all kinds
of opportunities. We have to give them something else to

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do so that they don't feel that sense of anger
because this system will definitely take them down. And we
know that back in the past, young people who had
a sense of independence might run away from the plantation
or run away from Jim Crow, and then those people
would go and send a slave tetcher after them and

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lynch them. We cannot allow this to happen again. We
have to teach our kids that they have to learn
conflict resolution, mediation and de escalation, and they can learn
these things, but the adults have to teach them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Sending away from the top. They had with doctor Stephanie
Maist from Blackwn for Positive Change eight four five zero
seventy eight is seventy six and they're having their annual
conference taking place later this year and Jamal has joined us.
Jamal grand rise in, Jamal, glad to have you on. Jamal,
I understand that you facilitate a special peace circle last

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year at the White House that Dr Marris just mentioned.
How did that go?

Speaker 20 (01:28:21):
Oh? I mean a number of different ways, I guess.

Speaker 9 (01:28:25):
Well.

Speaker 20 (01:28:25):
First off, my apologies for my later rifle. I think
I still had the wrong time going on my phone,
but it was a delight to say the least. I
think for me, working with youth, We're going to be
a positive kind of necessary part of my I guess
spiritual calling. But really, once you're a facilitator, it's not

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about what you bring as much as it is how
much you can bring out of other people. So getting
the meeting with the kids a number of times, meeting
with the support staff, meeting with the advisors, getting everyone
prepared and ready to speak on something like that district
was kind of the bigger part of once that actually happened.

(01:29:07):
I'm just along for the ride like everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
All right, six away from the top of Jamal Jones
just joined us doctor Stephanie Meyers. We're talking about the
Black One for Positive Change and what they do for
the month of Nonviolence, and one of the things the
techniques they use is peace circles. So, Jamal, have you
witnessed people change in these mediation groups and in these
peace circles that you do and explain how it works

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for us?

Speaker 20 (01:29:32):
Oh? Sure, So let's see peace circles. Well, let's go
back into the notion of like restorative justice and even
the premice of like community. Some people will attribute restorative
justice to I believe in mister Howard, who is a
Canadian man who wrote a large book around sort of
justice premise. But it's actually an ancestral practice that exists

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in several cultures from Miori culture, African culture, and so
on and so forth. And so the premise is that
when you have a harm in a community, it is
a community's job to address it. And it's different from
what we can the retributive model, in which case the
focus is more about the punishment of the person than

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it is the reintegration of the person. So the resortive
premise is more about we acknowledge you as a person,
but we also see that there is harm. We still
value the person, but we must acknowledge the harm, and
the process is more about integrating those two realities. So
addressing all the harm that came from the incident, addressing

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the nature and the dynamics of the relationship that was harmed,
and then facilitating a constructive dialogue series of dialogues in
order to rectify and more important to heal that community,
making it possibly stronger, like when you break a bone
and it actually starts to come back, or even any
other wound once you've actually addressed that wound and actually

(01:30:57):
held it properly, it becomes more resisting than ever. And
so in my works, not just.

Speaker 21 (01:31:03):
With youth, but also I've been I've had the opportunity
to work with individuals who experience like abuse. I've had
the opportunity to work with the individuals who are reinjured
society outside of the prison and so forth. Yeah, I
definitely see that it works, but it definitely matters on
whether or not people still see the individual it caused

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harm as humans. That's the bigger factor is whether we
still see that this person has a place of value
and a purpose.

Speaker 20 (01:31:31):
In the community, versus if you already see this person
as a sub human. If we're like a stage nine
of genocide, in which case everyone considered animals release.

Speaker 22 (01:31:41):
Them, then that process is not going to take hold
because it needs to be genuinely seen a connection or
revealing of a relationship rather than just somebody's done.

Speaker 20 (01:31:53):
I'm really more like an animals done something wrong and
it needs to be toddless.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Right there, We're gonna step away and get caught up
in the track looking whether or not different cities. I'll
let you finish your thoot on the other side, found
you just checking in I guess there is doctor Stephen
Myers along with Jamal Jones. We're discussing the peace Circles,
part of the Black Women for Positive Changes arsenal of
what if you will to stop the nonviolence? Stop violence
in our communities? What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and
four five zero seventy eight seventy six. I take your

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Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
My Ground Rising family, and thanks for staying with us
on this Wednesday morning. I guess this is doctor Stephanie
Meyes from Black Women for Positive Change and all of
the techniques they use in the Month of Non Violence
is peace circles, and Jamal Jones has has joined us
and tell us about the peace circle. So Jamal, I
that you finish your thoughts well.

Speaker 20 (01:33:37):
Let's see, I'm trying to what part we started with.
I believe I was talking about some parts of the
history and how it's culturally significant. I will say each
culture usually had their own process that each one greed,
But the one I'm most familiar with is the one
that has been I guess you could say a bouple
of times of hours there the gentleman who wrote a

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large book on the sort of and then there's a
number of experiences that I've learned through doing the practices myself.
A lot of places I applied in are in more
high crisis situations. I work mostly emotional behavior disorders. I've
taught in jails, I've taught in alternative schools, et cetera.

(01:34:19):
I think I mentioned before us my work involved sometimes
with individuals who are survivors of abuse as well as
individuals who flitted abuse. But I will say that the
system works, but it comes down to again the value
of the relationship that has been damaged, both in the
community and in the individuals.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
All right, old that thought right there, because I'll stay
with us. Jamal and Doctrmize David has calling from Brandon
Wine has a comment and a question for both of
you's online. Three Grant Rising, David, I'm a doctimized and
Jamal Jones, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:34:51):
Grand Rising, and thank you for taking my call, and
thank you for all the works that all you, gentlemen do.
I have one comment and one question from it. Yesterday,
the president of the United States, the richest world, and
as you know, comes in the world. They just say
that basically, slavey was revel of. It was not as

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bad as its professed to be or profess to be
in our history, et cetera. And he wants to change
the history of slavery. We know better, We got pictures,
we have evidence. We know that the family, the disruption
where they took our children auctioned on auction blocks. I

(01:35:35):
took her parents, took a mother on one block, a
bother on another block. The disruption of our family continues
until today. Question, why are we talking about that? Why
are we Why are we not this morning waking up
angry as hell saying this man is going to downplay

(01:35:59):
our parents, our grandparents, our great parents experience here in America,
and we can let them get away with making a
statement like that. Gentlemen, I thank you for taking my call,
but we should be talking about the statements the President
of the United States name yesterday about sleep Well, let

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me yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
And David before we go, we did talk about let
me responsoring first, Dr Marris, we didn't talk about it,
so you got to get up at six to hear
the conversation. But I thank you for your call, Dr
mayas your response to what he just said.

Speaker 13 (01:36:32):
Absolutely, he's right on. And during our month of non violence,
we're focusing on families and we want to have Black
history taught in the families. So I encourage him to
put together an event during the month and on violence
where families and Black history come together. We have to
teach the stories about our legacy and we're responsible for that.

(01:36:55):
We can't count on the schools. We have to count
on ourselves. So I agree with him. We have to
make telling the true story of our enflavement and our
legacy and our history back to Africa very critical. And
I'm so glad that Jamal is on. Good Morning, Jamal,
But yes, it's very important.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
All right, before we let you guys go, Doctor Mirs,
do you have a question for Jamal.

Speaker 13 (01:37:16):
That you there's so much noise?

Speaker 19 (01:37:19):
Is that small?

Speaker 13 (01:37:20):
Is that noise coming from your car? Or something. There's
a lot of noise.

Speaker 20 (01:37:24):
I believe it is for my car, So I'm sorry
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Okay, okay, do you have a question for him?

Speaker 21 (01:37:34):
A question tomorrow?

Speaker 19 (01:37:35):
Is a gentleman who called for Jamal?

Speaker 9 (01:37:38):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:37:38):
Okay, Yes, well, Jamal, last year, when you led the
tea circle with these seventeen kids from five schools in
the district, you were able to get them to talk
about their individual experiences with violence. How is it that
you're able to get people to open up? How can
people use the skills to get people to talk honestly?

Speaker 23 (01:38:01):
So to get people to talk about and now I
want to also emphasize the the gentleman that just spoke,
who was just on the phone. It starts with actually
knowing that when people want to talk about I think
these be absolutely right to say that we should be
talking about it, we should be feeling various ways about it,
but we also have.

Speaker 20 (01:38:20):
To be very intentional about how we create space to
talk about it. There's several studies to talk about how
individuals and how cultures handle communication style. I believe one
author was talking about how Italian families will always talk
over each other and that's just a form of communication,
and that happens also on black culture, in which case,
unless you're a part of the overall joking conversation, you're

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not actually being heard. However, when it comes to serious
issues like potentially the extermination of people's lives and entire
work groups, or the erasure of history, it becomes much
more critical to be intentional about the space that you're
creating to have those discussions. So, yes, biomys still have
those DIO discussions with your barber, have discussions with the

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church group, but also when you really want to talk
about like how do we get to the real deep harm,
how do we talk about the real impact of what
has been said by a world leader, it comes down
to being very clear about what the guidelines are, what
the expectations are. Otherwise people start to get offended and
people will feel like they're not being heard. And when

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that happens, that's when all the shouting and the yelling
matches come out, because people are all buying to be
heard and whatever it is they're feeling, but not everyone
knows how to create space so everyone could be heard.
So it takes a lot of intentionality in creating that
space for genuine discussion and then lastly acting on that,
because not enough just to talk about it, you actually

(01:39:47):
have to do something with that once it's been said,
and that requires again intention and like purposeful setting.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
All right, thank you, Jamal, Thank you, doctor Miiji. We've
got next guest on DECA, Pamela Levi's you're going to
join us. But before we go to Pama, doctor Moris,
give us some more information about the conference coming up
and how people can get involved.

Speaker 13 (01:40:08):
Okay. The Month of Nonviolence is from October first to
October thirty first, every single day of October, we want
to see people put on events and workshop. You can
sign up at montho Nonviolence dot org and you can
join the artificial Intelligence training September seventeenth by going to

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the website Black Women for Positive Change dot org. So
we invite everyone to sign up and just do what
Jamal has been talking about. Talk talk talk, and let's
be honest and let's find ways to change the culture
of violence.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
All right, Thank you, Jamal, Thank you, do Tom much, Carl,
thank you, thank you for what you do. Thirteen new
works job, thank you all right. Ten after the top
day I was bringing now investigative reporter of Pamma Levis
joined us. Pamma grand Rising, welcome back, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 15 (01:40:59):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Pama writes for Mother Jones. You did before you tell
us about the article though, How did you get into journalism?
What made you want to, you know, become an investigative reporter?

Speaker 7 (01:41:11):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:41:11):
Wow, wow, good, good question. And let me think back
a few years now, you know. To be honest, I
at the time was, you know, just graduated from college
and I didn't know what to do. But I knew
I loved writing, and I knew that I cared about
politics and about policy, and so journalism seemed like a

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good way to do both of those things.

Speaker 13 (01:41:35):
So that's that's what.

Speaker 15 (01:41:36):
Happened, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
But you did an article recently about the GOP targeting
black Democrats for defeat. Can you explain how that came
about and what's in that article?

Speaker 13 (01:41:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:41:49):
So, as I'm sure sure your listeners know, there is
a battle right now in Texas over their congressional maps.
And this came about because Donald Trump has gone to
the state of Texas and said he wants new congressional
maps because he wants to make sure that Republicans hold

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the House of Representatives in twenty twenty six and then
in the midterms next year. And so Republicans in Texas
have drawn a new congressional map that would give them
most likely five additional seats out of Texas, and they're
pushing that map through. The Democrats in the state fled
for two weeks. Now they're back and that map is

(01:42:32):
going to pass any time now. But the President has
also been looking to other states. So he's been putting
pressure on Indiana, on Florida, They're looking at Ohio, they're
looking at Missouri. So they're looking at all of these places.

(01:42:53):
And what I realized when you look down at the
actual seats that they're targeting, right, actual seats that they
want to redraw, a lot of them are held by
black voters, and in Texas both black and and Hispanic representatives.
And to be perfectly, they're one white representative as well.

(01:43:16):
So it's not all people of color, but it is
definitely the majority. And you know, part of that is
that they are are easier targets, I think, and part
of it is that, uh, you know, there is a
correlation between party and race, and so it is you know,

(01:43:37):
more likely that you will be targeting a person of color.
But they are also going after seats where that have
sort of been centers of black political power for for
decades in some cases. And so I think, you know,
if these plans go through, it would really have an
impact on a voice that black people have in this

(01:43:58):
country in Congress.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
To the top our family, I guess it's Pami leaving.
Pemi's written an interest in all. You've got to read
this article. It's in Mother Jones magazine, and he tells
how the GOP is targeted black seats in Congress and
locally as well to replace him by jerry mandering. Before
we go to in some of the seats they're targeting. Pemma, Uh,
the account state of California. The governor California decided he's

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going to try to offset what's going on in Texas?
Can he do that for the can those changes if
he makes those changes in California, Well, that's offset Texas
or the or the rest of them. Because he's saying
that this will you know, ensure that Donald Trump is defeated.
Do they have enough juice in California, enough power enough
make that change to ensure that they? I guess in Negate,

(01:44:42):
all the Republican gains that will be made from their
jerry mandering in the states that they control.

Speaker 15 (01:44:47):
Oh, that's a really good question. I don't think they have.
So there's a few questions there, right. First of all,
do they have enough? I think California is trying to
create five additional Democratic seats, right, so that would offset tech,
but it wouldn't offset these other states, you know, particularly
if Florida moves forward. You know, Florida is a big

(01:45:09):
state with a lot of seats. So I think that
if you see other states moving forward, I don't think
California alone can make up for that, but they can
make up for part of it. Certainly, will they do it.
I think that they're going to try hard, and I
think it's quite possible. It's a little more complicated. So

(01:45:30):
in Texas they can just sort of pass a bill,
right and say new maps everyone. In California, they.

Speaker 12 (01:45:36):
Had they have to do.

Speaker 15 (01:45:41):
Have like a sorry, like basically the state has to
have independent commission to draw maps that are supposed to
be fair and competitive. So that's sort of the opposite
of gerrymandering. Right. So when California, what they first have
to do is they have to pass a bill that
says we're going to do these new maps, and then
the voters have to approve it in November, and then

(01:46:03):
for next year they would have new maps. So there's
more steps in California to get that done. Already, Republicans
in the state are suing basically saying like, procedurally, the
California Democrats haven't followed the rules and so, you know,
trying to throw sand in the gears. So it is
a more difficult process in California. It's not as simple
as we just have to pass a bill that said

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I don't think it's impossible, and I think that the governor,
Governor Gavin Newsom in California clearly is putting a lot
of his political capital behind it. I mean, this is
a very obvious way to oppose Trump and sort of
be a prominent resistance figure, and so I do expect
him and the Democrats to continue to push that, but

(01:46:49):
they also will need other democratic states to also try
to squeeze a few more seats out in order to
come up with a number of seats that I think
Republicans are going to find.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
Right, And that was going to be my next question,
what have you heard about Maryland, the Governor Moore or
the Pennsylvania Shapiro Illinois episcope. What have you heard about
these other states? Have they said anything or they're still
sitting on the sidelines.

Speaker 15 (01:47:14):
I am seeing them more on the sidelines, but I
you know, I think it's still a little bit early.
I think that, to be honest, the the initial reaction
I think on the Democratic side was jerrymandering is bad.
And now, don't get me wrong, Democrats have done it
plenty of times, including in Maryland. But I think that

(01:47:35):
their sort of initial reaction is that this is bad.
And I think also a lot of the groups that
are you know, not necessarily partisan, but on the Democratic
side of the aisle, they're more liberal. You know, they
might share donors with the Democrats. They're all sort of
these good government groups that oppose jerrymandering. And I think

(01:47:56):
that it will it's taking a little bit more time
for for the left side of the aisle to to
sort of come around to where Gavin Newsom is, which is,
you know, this is war and if we can't you know,
latterly you know, disarmed, we can't just disarm ourselves and
while the other side, you know, arms themselves with more seats,

(01:48:20):
and so I think that I do think that that
shift is coming though, so I would not be surprised
if more democratic, if we start hearing from more states
under democratic control. The problem is is there are just
more hold off.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
They'll right there, Pama, we're going to take a short break.
I'll let you finish your thought when you come back.
And also we're going to talk about some if you
will identify some of the black seats that they're going
after as well, we'll see what the chances are off
they retaining those those Congress people are keeping this seats
even after Jerry man I'll get your thoughts on that. Family.
You two can join our conversation with Pam and leeby
she writes a little Mother Jones magazine. It's in an

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article about how the GOPS is trying to geomand it
Jerry manner these seats to get an advantage in the
next election. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six gets you win. We'll
take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks who staying your day with
us to keep your gig rolling with us to Bob
with Pama. Leave it from Mother Jones magazine. She's written
an article. It details how the GOP is going to
after some black seats. They're trying to eradicate the black
representatives in Congress in the House. What are your thoughts?
Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six.
Already got some folks want to talk to you, and

(01:50:00):
also we're going to parents is going to reveal some
names of some of the targets by the GOP. But Pam,
I'll let you finish your thought first.

Speaker 15 (01:50:09):
Oh, I was so, I was going to say that
the advantage that Republicans have is they just control more states,
so they think they have more options when it comes
to you know, to maps, they can redraw that said,
I have I have seen Maryland is considering it, New
York is considering it, Illinois is considering it, and Pennsylvania

(01:50:32):
I have not. I don't think that they are. I
don't think that Governor Shapiro is open to it at
this point. So you know, there are there are options.
But yeah, I mean, I think you know, for other reasons,
we probably will get you later in this conversation. I
think that over the next six eight months, a lot
of maps are going to get redrawn.

Speaker 12 (01:50:54):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
Wow. Twenty one after the top day money, Mike's got
a question for us, calling from Baltimore's online one Grand Rising,
My Mike, your only Pama, Glen.

Speaker 24 (01:51:02):
Rosen, Call Glenn Risen, ma'am. Look, let me ask you
a question first too, What has been the voter turnout
of African Americans and say the last for election cycles?

Speaker 6 (01:51:19):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:51:19):
Good question.

Speaker 7 (01:51:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:51:20):
I don't know the exact I don't know the exact number,
and I think it it probably depends if you're talking
presidential or mid terms, because it's usually all groups, is
higher than the presidential.

Speaker 24 (01:51:34):
Yeah, okay, but I was mainly speaking about congressional elections
because that's what that's what's at stake here. Do you
believe that the Republicans are playing chess while the Democrats
are playing checkers when it comes to voter turnout, voter participation,
and the election process in general.

Speaker 7 (01:51:56):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:51:56):
If I would describe it exactly that way, but I
would say that the Trump administration is has a strategy
of moving every playing every trip they can, right, So
at the same time that you're seeing the Trump's administration
want to redraw all of these congressional maps they're you know,

(01:52:19):
President Trump is also saying he wants to stop mail
in voting, which Democrats now use at a higher rate
than Republicans. He wants to get rid of voting machines
and move everything to paper, something that again would look
it would slow down voting, it would make it harder,
you know, places that already have long lines to vote,
which are unfortunately places that are poorer and more heavily

(01:52:45):
you know, where more minority voters live.

Speaker 13 (01:52:47):
Those places.

Speaker 15 (01:52:48):
It's going to make it even harder to vote because
all of a sudden, instead of waitning in line for
thirty minutes or an hour, it's two hours or three hours.
So I and you know, you're going to see more
stuff going on there, trying to get lists of vot
roles from a bunch of states. And I have a
feeling that the point is to say that they're full
of you know, illegal voters, that they're full of non citizens,

(01:53:11):
that they're full of dead people, and you know, you've
got to like purge these voter lists. Again, that's probably
going to end up hurting Democrats and people of color.
So I think that you know whether or not it's
chess or checkers. I think that the republic that Democrats
exceed me are going to really have to scramble to
keep up with this and to fight it. And ultimately,

(01:53:31):
I don't know if they can stop all of it
because I don't think that the federal courts in the
Supreme Court are on their side.

Speaker 24 (01:53:40):
Okay, My final question is is that if you are
aware of these obstacles, and these obstacles has existed for
the last twenty twenty five even thirty years, the Democrats
are aware of it too, you would assume correct, Yes.

Speaker 15 (01:54:00):
I'm sorry if I understand you correctly. If you're talking
about just various obstacles to vote, like long lines or
moving districts or things like that.

Speaker 24 (01:54:09):
Yes, in the games that Republicans will playing, I mean,
the Democrats are aware of what you can do to
get voters or vote in your favor.

Speaker 20 (01:54:19):
Correct, Yeah, I would.

Speaker 15 (01:54:22):
I would definitely say they're aware, And you know I'm not.
I'm not part of the Democratic operation, so I can't
tell you exactly what conversations they're having, but I have
to say, like my honest sense is I'm not sure
that the urgency is there. I'm not sure that they
fully appreciate the multi pronged threat from the Republicans.

Speaker 8 (01:54:43):
Right now.

Speaker 24 (01:54:48):
They understand it now. If they haven't understood it, they
understand it now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
Man, all right, thanks Mike money mind calling from Baltimore.
Let me and I'm glad you told them that you're
not a democrat or report an investigative report, You're a journalist.
So having said having said that, Pama, what are some
of the seats that they're targeting? Can you share some
of those seats that are under attack with us?

Speaker 15 (01:55:12):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:55:13):
So one.

Speaker 15 (01:55:14):
So first of all, you know, I'll skip it for now,
but there are multiple seats in Texas. So that's that's one.
And let me just say too. You know, in Texas
there's a seat that has been a center of black
power held by Sheila Jackson Lee for decades. The representative

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who took that seat in last November died in March,
and Governor Abbott in Texas delayed having a special election
to fill that seat until November. So there's already a
seat in Houston where the community, which is largely minority,

(01:55:56):
is going to go without a representation in Congress for
almost a year because they wanted to hold that seat
open as long as possible. So in Missouri, I think
that they they the plan is to Gerrymander out Rep.
Emmanuel Cleaver, who has been representing his district for twenty years,

(01:56:20):
if not longer. I think so, you know that is
that is someone who's really a pillar of the community there,
and you know, even if he were to retire, I
think he's he's getting up there in age.

Speaker 7 (01:56:33):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:56:34):
You know, that is a seat that you know is
Kansas City and it would go to, you know, presumably
the candidate that the black community there wanted to elect.
So they want to dismantle that that district. Another seat
that they have that they are looking at is in
South Carolina is the only Democratic seat and it's held

(01:56:56):
by Jim Clyburn, who has been representing that that seat
for for decades. And that would be you know, again
the only you know, in all of South Carolina, the
only seat that is both Democratic and is you know,
held by a powerful black politician and has been for
a long time. That one is not They're not moving
as ford as quickly on that one. So it's It's

(01:57:18):
unclear right now if that will happen, but that would
be you know, really significant. One of the other ones
is in Ohio. They are targeting three seats there. One
of them is held by a black representative who uh
is pretty recently elected named Amelia Sykes. And then I

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would also mentioned in Indiana, there's a long time black
representative named Andre Carson. He is It's unclear if his
seat or that of one other Democratic of Indiana who
is white will be will be jerry mendered, but there's
a lot of pressure on Indiana to move forward with that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
Wesley Bell uh pama he is he in trouble in
Shaant Louis area.

Speaker 15 (01:58:14):
I haven't heard that as much. I think just because
Saint Louis is probably so democratic it would be hard
for them to remove both both Emmanuel Cleaver and Wesley
Bell seats. But you know, the one thing they haven't
talked about, which is really the the wild card here,
is what the Supreme Court is going to do in
the next few months with the Voting Rights Act. Because

(01:58:37):
I think a lot of these plans have in mind
challenges under the Voting Rights Act and the requirement that
states create opportunity districts for voters of color, meaning that
you know, if there's a group of minority voters that
are you know, cohesive and and you know, geographically close

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to each other, that they have an opportunity to elect
a representative of their choice the same way that white
voters do. And I think the Supreme Court is going
to significantly weaken that requirement in the coming months. And
so at that point, what does that mean for you know,

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South Carolina, If they're looking at Clyburn seat for Missouri,
if they're looking at Leslie Bell seat for Louisiana that
has an extra I shouldn't say extra, that has a
second black opportunity district for the first time in decades,
what's happening to that seat? Same for Alabama. So I

(01:59:42):
think that I think that the you know, you have
this first wave of partisan gerymandering happening, and I think
that it is quite likely that early next year are
going to see a second wave that is particularly about
undoing districts that are there because of the vot Voting
Rights Act.

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
I mean a good point about the Supreme Court. We
know this is Trump Supreme Court, It's not the United
States Supreme court, let's be clear on that. At thirty
minutes off the top of that with Pemin Levy, she's
written an articlely Mother Jones. I suggest you, fellows folks
read this article because it shows how the GOP is
targeting of black seats for the next election. And I

(02:00:21):
mentioned Wesley Bell because he replaced Corey Bush. She was
very popular in Saint Louis. Even though they're both Democrats,
they actually chose him, so now they've used them up,
so they may be trying to get rid of him.
But you talked about Texas Jasmin Crockett. Should she be concerned.

Speaker 15 (02:00:39):
I have not seen that her district. No, I don't.
The answer is no, I don't think so. I think
that you know what they're doing in Texas because there
actually are a lot of Democrats in Texas. So what
they're doing is basically, they're taking as many Democratic voters
as possible and pushing them into the same district, so

(02:01:02):
you get a smaller number of Democratic districts that are
that are like more democratic and more concentrated with black
and Hispanic not necessarily Hispanic actually, but more concentrated with
black voters. So so I think that hers is safe
and I think it will. You know, the boundaries will change.

(02:01:23):
But I think the result is that is that you know,
she's being put in one of those places that's going
to be even more democratic where the other seats become less.

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
So got you eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six to speak to Pema Shahid's calling us
from Brooklyn is online? Three grand rise in Shahied your
question for for Pama Leavy, Yes.

Speaker 6 (02:01:45):
Grand rising, grand rise of brother Paul and Grant rising
to your guests. Uh the question of voting and the Republicans,
I think, uh, well, somebody klalled earlier and was talking about,
oh yeah, that was money Mike, that the Republicans are
playing chess and Democrats are playing checkers. I think that

(02:02:08):
that is uh that word play I want to talk
about too. They're playing, the Democrats are playing. The Republicans
are at war with us, and and those people in
black places in office there they are awkwardly uh pile

(02:02:32):
towering and playing the games according to the rules that
the errupt and bankrupt system of uh UH is put
in place as opposed to thinking out the box. The
black people need to be educated Republicans are mis educating

(02:02:52):
their people on a grand scale, and it's working because
they got people voting against their own interests, even us voting.
We I would like you to answer this for me, please,
that black people need to be educated about the boat
at the boat is not going to liberate us. It

(02:03:14):
can only be at best, a to bring this system
to its needs and change it, utterly, change it, not
reform it. That doesn't help us black people. We've been
reforming for one hundred years or more. So my point,

(02:03:35):
my question is do you believe that this system will
ever work for black black people? That in my mind
that you think it will. But I still ask you
that question and see what your honest response is. I
want to get an understanding of who you are and
the way you think. Do you think this system, this

(02:03:57):
racist system, will ever work for brand people?

Speaker 10 (02:04:01):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 25 (02:04:02):
A vote it's a toxic and it cannot liberate us,
but it can be attack all.

Speaker 3 (02:04:09):
Right, now, let's give a chance to respond. Thank you,
going from Bedstein Brooklyn, Yeah, Pema.

Speaker 15 (02:04:15):
Yeah, thank you. I think it's a really good question,
and I think it I would guess I would first
just say I guess, like I don't know exactly. I
don't want to presume what the a different system would be,
but I guess I would say that we have the
Fourteenth Amendment and the fifteenth Amendment, which are supposed to

(02:04:35):
provide equality and the opportunity to vote, and then we
have the Voting Rights Act for sixty years now, which
is supposed to actually implement those amendments. And yet here
we are, right here we are where states can you know,
pull back on voting rights make it harder and harder
to vote. The Supreme Court, you know, has for over

(02:04:58):
a decade, just every chance it gets it weakens the
Voting Rights Act, makes it harder and harder to enforce.
So I think I think you are right that something
bigger needs to change that. You know, we passed a
law that that really did change things for a while,
but it's being pulled back because that's what you can

(02:05:19):
do with the courts and and with Congress is you
can you can, you know, get around the law that
you don't like eventually, and you can get around cons
social amendments that you don't like eventually. So I think
that you are right that to really have a multi
racial democracy where everyone actually is equal and has an
equal political voice. Something big does have to change, all right?

Speaker 3 (02:05:42):
Hold that though, right there, Jane and Pasture the one
you talk to you, But we got to step aside
for a few moments, and when we come back, I
let you take Jane's question also, pim My question to
you is are you surprised at these changes? Because Donald
Trump told us what he was going to do? So
does this shock you at all when you see these
changes in the gerry manning and the ways that do
Some people call it cheating to change so they can
remain in power. I get to let you respond to

(02:06:03):
that when we get back. Family, you want to join
this conversation, I guess. Pemmi Levy Pemi has written an
article in Mother Jones magazine. You got to read this
article because she names names in the article about how
the Republicans the GOP is geremotting the states and to
maintain power and eliminates some of the black seats in
Congress and locally as well. What are your thoughts? Eight

(02:06:24):
hundred four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six
will get you in. We'll take your phone calls. Next

(02:06:45):
and Grand Rising family. Thanks for staying with us on
this Wednesday morning. It's not just starting your day with
us again, I guess is Pemmi. Pemmi's written she's an
investigative reporter for Brother Jones magazine. She's written an article,
a very compelling article about how the GOP plans to
target black Democrats for defeat using Jerry Manning and other techniques.
So we'll get back to her in a moment. Let
me just remind you coming up later this warm we're

(02:07:06):
going to speak with former Minister of Information for Public Enemy.
That would be Professor griff And tomorrow, DC actress and
humanitarian and Sinclair Skinner is going to be with us. Also,
former FBI agent doctor Tyren Powers will also join us.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep
your radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB if
you're in the DMV though, or on FM ninety five
point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL. All right, Pamela,

(02:07:29):
Jean and Pikshew has a question for you. He's online
one at Grand Rising Gun.

Speaker 10 (02:07:33):
You're on with Pema, Yeah, Green.

Speaker 14 (02:07:35):
Rozi of Pamela. All I could do is just kind
of hit this ball back in your court, the Democrat.
I'm sorry, the Republicans are using all the Republicans you
use them so using jerror manding to change the face
of the political map in the States.

Speaker 8 (02:07:57):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 15 (02:07:57):
Do you ask if all of them are I? Can
you ask this question again?

Speaker 14 (02:08:02):
Well, I'm just what I'm doing is I'm being facetious
in the sense that I'm just asking you a question
that you've already answered and I agree with you, you know,
per se So in other words, like Neil for one
week in Maryland, right now, Neil Hale has announced his
candidacy for the governorship of Maryland.

Speaker 20 (02:08:21):
Who is Neil Hale?

Speaker 14 (02:08:23):
Nobody knows, we have not even it hasn't been on
a radar. Who Needil Hale is? But again, this is
what happened in Maryland's been referenced to to Jared Mandarin.
How how I'm sorry, Columbia was part of the seventh
district in Maryland. But historically that's Karen Mitchell's old uh

(02:08:44):
stomping grounds. And right now Quasi fume uh is the
representative of the seventh district in Maryland. So that's you know,
I'm sure you heard of Freddie Gray Uh Sandtown, Winchester.
Doc Chetham talks about it all the time. And this
is the district that Kwaisifumi represents. But right now he

(02:09:07):
because of Juror man during and Columbia not being part
of the seventh District, He's now in a place called
Dundalk Essex Middle River. These are white people who are
pro Trump voters, okay, and as Dutch Rugblsberger's area. So
what I'm saying is is that the blue state of

(02:09:30):
Maryland in the what is it called the the the
the Maryland Senate, I just call it the Senate. You know,
the political parties in Maryland in the state are predominantly Democrats.
But yet that the white Democrats and the white Republicans

(02:09:50):
in Maryland redrew the map. So the PowerShift goes to
the Republicans. And nobody's talking about it in Maryland and
nobody's talking about it in Baltimore. And what the impact
that this is going to be. And so when you
talk about California counseling counseling out Texas and reference to jaramandering,
guess what, Maryland probably will swing a rid There's a

(02:10:15):
strong possibility. So in other words, if Wes Moore runs
for a presidency.

Speaker 5 (02:10:20):
Who's going to.

Speaker 22 (02:10:21):
Fill the void?

Speaker 14 (02:10:22):
We're not talking about this in Baltimore and in Maryland.

Speaker 3 (02:10:26):
Well they are now, Gene, and let's give a chance
to respond. Okay, cause you stay to your case. I
thank you for your call.

Speaker 14 (02:10:33):
But what she's saying, because she's one point, I'm talking
to the people in Baltimore, money might, et cetera, deed
they lost they well.

Speaker 3 (02:10:42):
They got the message this morning, Gene, and I thank
you for that. Pema. You want to respond to anything
that Jean said, Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 15 (02:10:47):
Mean I think I would just add that you know,
it looks like, you know, Maryland is at least thinking
about regis you know, Garymandering now, so you know it's
possible that you know, everything that Gene was just describing
that they're rethinking it. The Democrats are rethinking it, and
you know, we'll just have to see where they go
with that. But it does seem like like, yeah, like

(02:11:10):
there's a there's a thought of like, hey, maybe we
need to get another Democratic seat here.

Speaker 3 (02:11:15):
Move the line thirteen away from the top of pen
Were you shocked though when you did this or you
started researching for your article, did you did you know
most people knew that this was coming down? Did that
did that shock you though? Or do you just went
you sort of knew it and just went it for
to reaffirm your thoughts when you did the research for
the article.

Speaker 15 (02:11:37):
Yeah, I was not surprised. I bet a bunch of
your listeners weren't either. I mean, I have you know,
I have covered voting rights off and on for almost
ten years now, maybe more, and and I know, I
just I wasn't surprised. I mean, you know, even even
before Trump, you know, there was lots of jerrymandering, right,

(02:11:59):
I mean Texas is basically always done a mid mid
decade redistricting scheme, you know, And you know that's it's
very common. All of the shenanigans around purging voter rolls
and going after certain types of ballots and disqualifying ballots.
I mean, it's just is unending. So I think, you know,

(02:12:22):
I think what's notable here is how concerted the effort
is and how much it is coming from the White House,
and how much is an effort to not make to
make sure that the Republican Party is not held accountable
for its agenda. You know, if people like the agenda,
then then they vote them in. But if people don't

(02:12:43):
like the agenda, they're trying to take away the ability
for people to express that at the polls. And you know,
black political power and black seats have been a target
forever and and so no, I can't say I'm surprised.

Speaker 3 (02:13:00):
A family twelve ways from the top of penma is
I guess and Pment has written an article and keep
mentioning Mother Jones. Check it out. An article is how
the Republicans and GOP is targeting black Democrats for defeat
and also some of the Hispanic Democrats that we talked
about Texas as well. This is to ensure that they
remain in office. You know, this is uh Gavin Newsoen

(02:13:21):
said that it was cheating. Did you see that as cheating,
because didn't. Didn't the Democrats do this when they're in
power as well.

Speaker 15 (02:13:29):
Democrats have certainly gerrymandered.

Speaker 7 (02:13:32):
But this is extreme.

Speaker 15 (02:13:36):
This is this is really extreme. And I could be
missing something, but.

Speaker 9 (02:13:43):
I have not seen.

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
You know, maps this.

Speaker 15 (02:13:47):
Extreme being put forward from Democratic states and in fact,
you know, states like California have actually moved in the
opposite direction, you know, such as independent redistricting commissions, which
are actually really popular with voters generally, like the idea
of you know, let's do it their has historically been

(02:14:07):
been popular with people. So you know, yeah, I'm not
saying that anyone has like clean hands here, but I
think that the real weaponization of jerrymandering recently, and these
jerry menders in particular, do seem to be coming more
from the Republican side right now.

Speaker 3 (02:14:25):
All right, ten away from the tough Let me ask
you this though. Today the Democrats are going back and
the ones who is in Texas are going back and
they're going to pass the bill of course for jerry
mannings at some point, and your thoughts on what they did.
They drew attention to the cause of what was going
on in Texas, but was was it was it a

(02:14:45):
waste of time because it was it was going to happen.
They had to come back at some point. And then
one on one of the state representative, Nicole Collier, they
sort of locked her in and she says, and she's
going to sue because they didn't want to let her
out because she may not come back vote they have
core them. So your thoughts on that whole episode with
the Democrats leaving the state so that this couldn't be passed.

(02:15:06):
And now of course they've got some point they've got
to come back home, and that they have and now
it's it's going to go through. So what your thought
on all that that entire issue right there?

Speaker 15 (02:15:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think that, I mean, and I'm
just speaking broadly, like my observation of how politics works
and how power works. Right, if you're in the minority,
if you don't have the votes, if you don't do anything,
then no one's going to know what you stand for
or have anything reallys into vote for you next time. So,

(02:15:39):
you know, if you want to come into power, if
you want to make people aware of the issue, if
you know, if you want to show them what's going on,
you have to be bold about it. And you know,
we live in the era of social media and you know,
people feeling really dispirited and not having faith and the
lack of leaders and elected government. So I think that

(02:16:02):
one of the ways to really show voters that you're
worth their time is to do something like this, to
do something like when you know you're in Maryland, your
Senator Chris van Holland flew to El Salvador to meet
with kil Marbrego Garcia.

Speaker 7 (02:16:20):
I mean, big things.

Speaker 15 (02:16:23):
That's what a minority party can do to make themselves
heard and make voters pay attention and say, hey, you
should vote for us next time and put us in
charge because this is what we stand for. So no,
I don't think it was a waste of time from
the standpoint of what they're doing. And then in terms
of the representative you've talked about, Yeah, I mean, I

(02:16:46):
think this is really an astonishing story. Again, I probably
shouldn't be surprised, but the Democrats came back to the
state right and Republicans decided to punish them, to really
flex and show domination and in a humiliating way, in
a physical way, to say that if you're going to
leave the capital, you have to be trailed by a

(02:17:07):
police officer because we don't trust you to come back
for the vote. And I mean that to me represents
a real escalation in you know, partisan warfare. It's not
we want to work with our colleagues, right, we want
to compromise, we want to you know, you know here
from the other side, it's it's we're going to we're

(02:17:27):
going to basically have you under house arrest and and
she stood up against that, and I think again, I
think that's that's the right thing to do from the
perspective of well, one human dignity, but two, you know, again,
to continue to push your political point, right, to continue

(02:17:49):
to make voters aware of what's happening from a position
of relative powerlessness being in the minority. So you know, yeah,
and again, you know, would would other states be seeing
a political opportunity in redistricting if the Texas Democrats hadn't
left and you know, grabbed headlines and garnered support. I
don't know, because the thing is, like, Gavin Newsom is

(02:18:11):
a very ambitious person. I don't think he's necessarily doing
this out of you know, the goodness of his heart.
I mean, maybe this is like maybe this is just
you know, the deep morals in his heart. But but
Gavin Newsom is a very ambitious man, and I think
he probably sees a political opportunity in doing this. Same
for Governor Kathy Holschel in New York likely saying for

(02:18:34):
Wes Moore, right like, if he wants to run for president,
he's probably thinking about that right now too, not just
you know, what's best for Democrats or what's best for Maryland.
They're you know, that's how politicians think, right so.

Speaker 19 (02:18:49):
So yeah, so my.

Speaker 15 (02:18:51):
Answer is, you know, from the perspective of if you
want to be an effective politician, then you have to
make yourself heard.

Speaker 3 (02:18:58):
Sticks away from the top round this whole redistricting effort
in Texas. Texas is becoming blue. It's not as red
as usually as it used to be. That way, especially
the urban centers Dallas, Houston, Austin, the Fort Worth area, uh,
San Antonio, those areas, and it's in the rural areas
that's where the Republicans and they do that just about

(02:19:20):
every state. That's where their numbers are really high. But
the but the the concentration of people are in are
in the urban centers. Can they offset what's going through
even the with Germanic can they offset the rule what
the rural voters will do because there's more folks live
in in the urban centers than in the rural areas.

Speaker 15 (02:19:41):
Yeah, I mean there's a few there's a few reasons
that the sort of geographic spread is difficult for Democrats.
I mean one of them is just you know, when
your voters are really concentrated, right, then that that makes
it that, you know, it's easier to draw them all

(02:20:02):
into one district, whereas if your voters are more spread
out in a rural way, it's just easier to sort
of draw more Republican districts that way.

Speaker 17 (02:20:12):
I mean.

Speaker 15 (02:20:12):
And the other thing I would say is I think
Texas is actually a little more complicated than you said.
You know, one thing we saw around the country, but
notably in Texas in twenty twenty four was a big
shift toward of Hispanic voters toward the Republicans, and that
happened in more rural areas, you know, in the Rio
Grande Valley along the border with Mexico, for example, which

(02:20:34):
is you know, are there are cities there, but that
is not you know, those are not like Metropolis, Right,
So you had some congressional districts that are definitely more
rural and heavily Hispanic move toward Trump in meaningful ways.
And I would say that this map that the Republicans
in Texas are going to pass very soon really relies

(02:20:57):
on the Hispanic vote continuing to move toward Republicans or
at least not sort of slide back toward Democrats. Because
in Texas, that Hispanic girls vote is becoming increasingly important
to Republicans.

Speaker 3 (02:21:14):
So we cot up on a break. When we come
back to Freedom Bridge in Pittsburgh, I want to speak
to you. Well, my question to you is that do
you think these Hispanic voters who went for Trump and
now having buyer's remorse after seeing you know, had the
experience of a few months of Donald Trump, seeing what
some of their relatives are being kicked back or across
the border, and if that will change them political thinking,
their political thoughts. I'll let you respond to that when

(02:21:36):
we get back. It's three away from the top there.
Family got to step out for a couple of minutes
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Speaker 1 (02:21:50):
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Speaker 3 (02:22:19):
Thank Grand Rising family, Thanks for rolling with us on
this Wednesday morning. It's a hunt day. We're halfway through
the work week with our guest at pem Levy pemer
as an investigator reporter for Mother Jones Magazine, and she's
written an article, a very compelling article. You need to
check it out. Family. It shows how the GOP's targeting
Black Democrats for defeat in the upcoming elections. Pember, before
we left, you mentioned about the Hispanics that we're voting

(02:22:42):
for Donald Trump, who in a big way in the
last elections those close to the border in Texas. The
question is, though, have they do you think many of
them have had buyer's remorse now they've had a taste
of Donald Trump.

Speaker 15 (02:22:56):
I think that this is a really good question, and
I don't know the answer to it. I think that
they're on the one hand, people don't like to admit
they were wrong, right, and they want to give it time.
They made a decision, and they might want to stick
with that decision. Other people, you know, might have been
hesitant and might have said, Okay, actually this isn't working out.

(02:23:19):
But I really think that this is a question that
both sides are not sure about and are looking closely at.
I think one other thing I would throw into the
mix here is that personally, I think a lot of
it will come down to what happens with the economy
over the next year. You know, these are not wealthy enclaves.

Speaker 6 (02:23:42):
And so.

Speaker 15 (02:23:44):
If Trump's tariffs, you know, really pushed the economy in
a bad direction. For example, you know, if there's more
inflation or if there's you know, more unemployment. You know,
I think that that the economy could push people because
I do think that a lot of people, you know,

(02:24:06):
voted for Trump thinking that he was going to, uh,
you know, take care of their pocketbooks. So I think
a lot of this is just we'll see. I know
that's not the most satisfying answer, but you know, I
think a lot of it is the economy and a
lot of it is you know, personal psychology and and
you know, what people what people want, and that's hard

(02:24:27):
to get a handle on right now, all.

Speaker 3 (02:24:29):
Right, Uh, Professor griffs On defe gets your Momchell. But
Freedom Bridge has a question for you. Is on line one.
He's calling from Pittsburgh. Freedom your question for Pama grand
rising to.

Speaker 10 (02:24:40):
Both of you. Good question to you, Paramula, do you
think it's time for us to start our own party?
And when I say that as blacks, and I'm just
here to make us think a group that we vote
for those who have our best interests, like out there
should be out there standing all I for black reparation

(02:25:01):
because this is it did it ain't just reparations At
one time they gave us the mule, right right.

Speaker 3 (02:25:09):
I hate to put up super rush you because we've
got Professor griff on deck, but we get the question,
and I want to get paid a chance to respond. Yeah,
that's the question those.

Speaker 10 (02:25:19):
Who support us if we vote one way?

Speaker 3 (02:25:23):
All right? Thanks for edom.

Speaker 15 (02:25:26):
Yeah, I don't want to give you give you advice
on on that one. To be honest, it's a really
complicated question. I think it's a really personal question. Third
parties in the US have not historically done well, but
that doesn't mean that they haven't had an impact. But
I cannot answer that that personal question for you.

Speaker 19 (02:25:46):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:25:48):
Well, let me say this. The New York Time just
came out of the Democrats are having problems registering people
to vote, signing people to get into Democratic Party. So
even if they if they Republicans didn't use the Gere
Manning technique to you know, to animate some black seats,
that the Democrats are still behind the eight ball. Uh,
how do you see that? Because this is in Today's

(02:26:08):
New York Times. This report came out do you see
there's another article there for you to write about now
that you did there on a boat identifying the black seats,
so that the GOP is going after they really need
to Jeremanda now because the Democrats don't have it, don't
have the manpower.

Speaker 15 (02:26:27):
I mean, I think that some of these seats are
are currently safe Democratic seats. So even if the Democrats
are headed for a tough year, you know, it doesn't
mean they get wiped out, right, you know, it means
that seats that are less safe might go to Republicans,
but you know safe seats won't. So I do think

(02:26:47):
you know the seats they're targeting, and you talk about
a manual cleaver or you know, some of these others.
Some of them are are more you know, on the
fence seats. Amelia Sykes in Ohio is a tough seat,
so if it's a strong Republican years, you might lose. Anyways,
some of these others are safe seats, so you know,
you go after them and then you take a seat
that Democrats would have gotten pretty much no matter what.

Speaker 3 (02:27:11):
Got you Pemma, Thank you for doing this article. Thank
you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 15 (02:27:16):
Thank you so much for having me all right, family.

Speaker 3 (02:27:19):
That's Pama Leavis. She's rights for Mother Jones magazine and
by the way, Mother Jones one of the few magazines
that's hat that's really doing deep dives into what's going
on in this country. And her article is about it's
a very compelling article how the GOP is targeting black
democrats for defeat. They're trying to figure out how to
stay in office anyway. Six after the top of Alice,

(02:27:40):
welcome Professor griff back to the program. Grand Rising, Professor.

Speaker 10 (02:27:43):
Griff Rising, Brother, how are you doing today?

Speaker 3 (02:27:46):
I'm still learning, Professor, I'm still learning. I hope to
learn some stuff from you as well.

Speaker 9 (02:27:52):
How you doing, I'm doing, I'm doing ok I'm doing Okay.
This kind of subject matter just kind of it ruffled
me in a in a very i don't know, mindful,
got the way to make me mindful of my duty
and responsibility to those that kind of came up on
black music and the rich legacy of black music. It

(02:28:13):
reminded me of my duty and what I need to
do to speak to young people.

Speaker 3 (02:28:17):
You know, well, I'm trying to think of the person
that oh it was from the Ojays lead singer. Yea,
he lives in Vegas. Now, if I'm drawing a blank
on him, I see his face right now. But anyway,
he said that as an artist, as a singer, it's
a as a black artist and a singer. Professor Griff
it's it's duty bound that you do something to reflect

(02:28:38):
and help help our people with your music.

Speaker 9 (02:28:42):
Also said that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:28:46):
Eddie Leaverretz said that do you agree, yes.

Speaker 9 (02:28:49):
Of course we are duty down and in any way
that you can do it. When they asked James Brown
to kind of help them curb the violence that was
going on in the inner City, in the black communities,
in the black neighborhoods during the turbulent but it was
the turbulent sixties. When they called on James Brown, James
Brown responded in three ways. One, he basically said, I

(02:29:10):
can't stop something I didn't start. And then he turned
around and he did the song say it loud, I'm
black and I'm proud. Do you understand what I'm saying?
So it was, it was, it was a beautiful thing.
And then he helped. Then thirdly, he helped support the
local radio stations around the black radio stations around the
country and there was only a few. So James Brown

(02:29:31):
did that and he supported the mom and pop stores
that was selling not only his music, of the black artists.
So he was duty bound to make say it loud.
I'm black and I'm proud. Jimmy Hendrix did the song
machine Gun when he responded to what was going on
in the Vietnam War, when it was protest going on
among young people both black and white and everyone in between.

(02:29:54):
Jimmy Hendrix responded because Jimmy Hendrick was one of those
artists that's that in the in the audience to listen
and here black panthers speak about what was going on
in America because he was politicized. So he took his
guitar and he did the song machine Gun. So there's
a there are duty bound. There's a lot of artists
that stood up and responded to what's going on with

(02:30:15):
the people, not only in America but throughout the world.

Speaker 3 (02:30:18):
Ten after the top of our family, just checking in,
Professor Griffiths, I guess from public animated Professor griff though
today's artists do they have the same conviction or is
it because the political landscape has changed? Back then we
were still we were fighting for basically survival. That was
reflected in the music. And when he talked to some
of these young some of these young hip hop and rappers,

(02:30:39):
they said, that's what they're doing. But it seems like
all doom and despair in their music. How do you
see it?

Speaker 9 (02:30:46):
Yeah, the political landscape has changed, and to a degree,
the culture and the subculture landscape has changed. The idea
of getting having knowledge before you go into a subject
matter to do a song, You where you get your
inspiration from to do the song. All of that. Even
in the music culture, that has changed on how they

(02:31:08):
construct songs and put ideas for songs together, what they
want the outcome of the song to be. When you
a songwriter and producer, you might want to go in
the studio and you director write a subject about something
that's going on in your life and your personal life,
in the in the broader culture or whatever. So of course,

(02:31:28):
when you politicize, though, of course your songs are going
to come out with those kind of subject matter and
those those things that going that's going to speak to
what's going on not only you but your people. So
the conviction, it's definitely a different conviction. They don't have
the same conviction. They don't have the same body of
knowledge to pull from. I pulled from I pulled from

(02:31:51):
the Island Vans, Certium of the doctor Ben's, Doctor Clark,
Professor Small's, I put from the Francis Chris Wilson's who
they pully from. And where's that body of knowledge that
they put, that pool of knowledge that they're pulling from
to even construct, make and to make songs nowadays?

Speaker 3 (02:32:11):
So are you saying it's not their fault. It's just
that the uh, the apparatus was there back when you
were coming up. It's not there again. All those most
of those folks you mentioned have left us.

Speaker 9 (02:32:21):
No, it's it's it's they have to share part take
part of the brain, simply because we carry around five
hundred dollars devices in our pockets and in our hands
called the cell phone in which you could tap into
that device and you can, especially with chat, GPT now
and other apps, you can go get the information that's
right at your fingertips. And a lot of the few

(02:32:41):
times I've been in the studio to watch how young
people move. We're constructing these songs. They're actually reading the
songs that they've written on their phones because they don't
use pen and pad anymore, So the information is there
at their fingertips. We have to share in the responsibility
and be very accountable on not only what we put
in the songs, but the outcome of the songs.

Speaker 3 (02:33:03):
The twelve at the top of our family, just John,
anyone to speak to. Professor Griff reached out to us
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
is seventy six and Professor Griff, one of the things
you wanted to talk about was this so called diaspora
wars that's going on percolating in our community. Seems like
it's like a big diversion, you know, this infighting amongst
black voys. When when we should be keeping our eyes

(02:33:26):
on the oppressor, how do you see what's going on there?

Speaker 9 (02:33:30):
Well, we start talking about the diaphoras when it comes
to conflicts and tensions arising between different different groups. I
often have to remind people that Africa is not a country,
it's a continent. There are fifty four countries inside of
Africa with twenty five hundred different languages. So when you

(02:33:53):
start saying Africa, this in Africa that, then it becomes
problematic simply because each each particular country has its own coaching.
Inside of each country, you're probably have four or five
different tribes in different groups, so we have to be
very careful. But I think what Black people are getting
from the quote unquote old sentiment of Africans on the

(02:34:17):
continent is the fact that they truly do not understand
our struggle here and the way we have to survive this.
They truly understand what we've actually went through because they've
been fed, they've been sold the story on that side,
and we bought into a story on this side about them.
So when Tyler came with her song Water, which was

(02:34:41):
produced by black people, some of them I know here
in America, it sparked a debate because I think she
wore a T shirt and something that said she was colored. Now,
I said, well, that's the language that they use under
the oppressive of apartheid regimes and the way they do
things in South Africa under the apartheid government. So they
identified and classified them as colored. So I tried to

(02:35:04):
talk to a few people to let them know, look,
we've been through that. If you say you're colored America,
that means something totally different to us. Do you understand
I'm saying that brings up Jim Crow, that brings up redlining,
that brings up getting lynched, That brings up a few things.
So when you say you're colored here, and I think
she really wasn't prepared for it. A twenty something year
old coming to speak to a fan based in America

(02:35:28):
that supported her, did not know how to handle certain
conversations when it came to race in America.

Speaker 3 (02:35:36):
Yeah at fourteen half the time and that interesting topic
right there, Professor griff Because what they've learned is what
they see on TV, what they and they come with
preconceived notions about us, you know, being and Ghana. We
got off, we got off the plan and you know,
some of the friends that we know from previous trips,
and the first thing they go, hey, what up my
ann what up my ants? Oh No, we don't roll

(02:35:58):
like that. You know, that's what they saw on the
videos from our young people. So they thought it was cool.
They you know, they thought they'd being a kind of
a term of endearment. Can you address that issue too,
because we're exporting this kind of stuff across all across
the world, not just our brothers and sisters, African brothers
and sisters, but other people. So when they come here,

(02:36:19):
they treat us with this stand because they think that's
how we are, that's how all of us are.

Speaker 9 (02:36:25):
Well, they failed to understand that we there's some things
that we have to do in order to survive. We've
used these things, especially language, as a survival strategy. And
this is one of the things that I know that
they don't understand. Listen, the English language is is not
our language. I often tell people it's my third language
I have. You know, I have a mother tongue, I

(02:36:47):
have a spiritual language that I that I speak, and
then there's a language I have to communicate to not
only my family members, but brothers and sisters on where
I grew up on Long Island and then in other
places in black neighborhoods. So I don't think other people
from different countries understand these particular concepts. I had a

(02:37:07):
conversation yesterday on two of them, one about soul food.

Speaker 3 (02:37:13):
Hold that thought right there, Professor Griff, because we were
coming up on a break, I wanted to break your
chain of thought. I'll let you tell us about the
conversation that you had. Family just join us. You just
checking in and you want to speak to Professor Griff,
and some of you knows the former Minister of Information
for Public Enemy and the reason why we like to
talk to Grif. Griff covers all genres of music. You know,
some folks are just stuck on one period of music,
but somehow Griffis have found a way too. He knows

(02:37:36):
it all, all different genres of music. He knows all
about it. So you got a question, any question about music,
this is the person you need to talk to. Again,
the number the call is speak to Professor Griff eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we're taking calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:37:56):

Speaker 3 (02:38:19):
Hey, grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on
this Wednesday morning. I guess is Professor Griff from UH
formerly of Public animey is the Minister of Information. Twenty
minutes after the top, they are though Professor Griff. But
before we left and family, let me say this. If
you got any question about music, any kind of genre
of music, Griff knows it all. That's that's why we

(02:38:41):
like to have us a guest. So Griff, I'll let
you finish telling us your story. You tell us about
two stories you tell Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:38:47):
One of the stories, the conversations that I had, it
was a story about the woman was basically saying she
doesn't recognize the delicacies and the recipes that black people
eat in America. As soulfuld I said says, you have
to understand something. We had to survive fa free. We
had to survive these things, so we got thrown scraps.

(02:39:09):
We put the scraps together to make meals in order
to survive. Do we eat the same way as we
did back then? Absolutely not. But now some people have
came on not only assimilated, but they've came on like
culture coaches and have stolen those particular delicacies and recipes
and built entire companies surrounding them, I e. Kentucky Lyed Chicken.

(02:39:33):
They built whole food congoments around the recipes that black
people came up with. But back to the diasporars and
the dynamics of it. Some Africans come to the United
States and they either need to assert a procede kind
of superiority over black people because one of the things
that they say is the fact that we're not necessarily

(02:39:54):
civilized in a certain kind of way. We don't have
a language. And the bottom thing is wider thing. When
you pull back and get a wider view, they say
we don't have a culture. So with them saying these things,
I don't think they're looking at what happened with black people,
with the Transatlantic slave trade and other things that black

(02:40:15):
people have been through in order to survive to get
to where we are today. This is why a few
minutes ago I talked about the rich black musical legacy
that we had. We have a rich legacy of Black
music that the globe, everyone on the planet has to respect.

(02:40:36):
Do you understand I'm saying, because we kind of regardless
of what we went through, we were still able to
craft songs that speak to what we were going through,
whole genres R and B, rhythm and blues. We took
the blues, we took our follow we took our pain,
and we put it in the song.

Speaker 3 (02:40:55):
And part of the problem is that they don't know
about they know about they've heard about slavey. They didn't
know how we survived, and they didn't know about Jim Crow.
They haven't had conversations with many of them, and once
they hear about Jim Crow, the h look us a
different eye. And I'm just wondering whose fault is out
that they don't know more about us and we don't
know more about them before I take costure. Do you
think that's deliberate to keep us apart?

Speaker 9 (02:41:17):
Of course, it's deliberate a lot of people that in
my circle we take it upon ourselves to study on
what's going on black people here in America and throughout
the world. I want to know what's going on with
our people in Brazil, in South America and Latin America,
in the Caribbean islands. So I take it upon myself.
But everyone is not afforded to do that to some degree.

(02:41:40):
Now we are because we have the cell phones, but
we can study, and then we can even cross reference
the things that we study. I had a T shirt
on the other day that I got from my birthday
that just passed. I turned sixty five years old, and
brother from Africa asked me about it and I said
it is the Ibrahim Triare of Kina Fosso and ran
down a brief history and he seemed like he was shocked, like,

(02:42:03):
how would you and why would you know that? I said,
first of all, I'm Professor Griff, I'm a black man
that does research and I studied. I said, why are
you so surprised? So I started throwing some names at him.
You know, you know who James Baldwood is. Talk to me,
you have to say saying to you. You know who
Smokey Robinson is. Do you know the Funk Brothers?

Speaker 18 (02:42:25):
Do you know?

Speaker 9 (02:42:26):
I started throwing some things at him, and he was
just he knew some basic stuff. But when we started
talking about the doctor Amos Wilson's and Ivan van Thurnamus,
he had no clue. He had no clue. Wow, it
needs to be a cultural conversation and a cultural exchange
that go on between us and the people that look

(02:42:46):
just like us from the continent.

Speaker 3 (02:42:49):
I agreed, because the stuff that the other folks are
telling them. And I'm just say this real quick. There
was some diplomats who came here, came to DC and
the wife folks don't don't hang out with the black
people in Washington, DC. You'll get robbed. And so for
a while they came out and they, you know, they
were under this impression that we're all thugs and thieves
and all that kind of stuff. He got invited to

(02:43:10):
a barbecue from one of his black friends and he
blew his mind. He says, this is not what they
told me. You got hist because he was a bit
apprehensive about going. But once he got there and everybody
treated him just like a brother, He's like wow. And
then he admitted that is the apprehension came from what
they told him at the State Department not to go
and hang out in Southeast. So you know, that's we

(02:43:32):
have to we have to build those bridges, griff Right.

Speaker 9 (02:43:35):
We also have to challenge over the negative stereotypes and
embarrassing trying to comment, uh, the portrayals of black people
are and it's hard to do that. We don't control
the media and we an'll troll you know, tellivision and
how to be are portrayed. Then it's a very difficult
thing to do. So a lot of times when we

(02:43:56):
meet up from Nigeria and Ghana, it's almost like we
have to we have to qualtify our blackness do you
gonna say? I'm saying, and then quantify our diaspora and
then we have to make yeah, the dress the talk.

(02:44:21):
We have to know something about country is in Africa
in order to qualify.

Speaker 3 (02:44:29):
Gotcha, and your phone's going to in and out, so
good A better spot there. We got some folks who
want to talk to you. A common is calling from
Maryland online. One comment your question for Professor Griff.

Speaker 12 (02:44:40):
Grand rising much. Yes, I often wonder what would Charlette
Muhammad be doing right now? What instruction?

Speaker 10 (02:44:53):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (02:44:53):
What I wanted to say to you? Uh, we don't
have enough time, but I want to ask you about
the diversionary tactic that's being used right now with this
occupation by Trump to divert from the Epstein files that

(02:45:15):
Bishop Gates and many others that run in the circle
with Dick Gregory expose that Epstein list that the FBI
gave us five hundred names, but Bishopgates and others showed
us the list with five thousand names. And I would

(02:45:36):
like for you to speak on the diversionary tactic that
Trump is diverting from that Epstein file list that's causing
all of this mayhem.

Speaker 9 (02:45:48):
Okay, I think you said first asked the question about
colle It Muhammad. I think you said that other second
question that you asked about the Epstein files. I think
it's a larger conversation. Anything that I could say right
now would lead to a broader conversation which we don't
have time for. But if Collet Muhammad was among us,
and to be honest with your brother, he still is,

(02:46:09):
call it lives in us. You wanna stand I'm saying.
But if he was here right now, in the flesh,
speaking to some of these issues, I think the first
thing he would probably do is get together with his sister,
who's actually taking a position to sue some of the
record companies from using her brother's voice on some of
these records and the family not getting compensated for it,
which is a major thing, Doctor Colet. Abdul Muhammad's voice

(02:46:32):
was on about twelve different artists that I know of material.
Their albums came out, their songs came out. Collet Muhammad's
voice was used and he wasn't compensated, and today he's
not compensated, and some of these individuals use his voice
as recent as a few years ago. So I think
that's what Abdul Mohammad would be doing along with his

(02:46:54):
sister if Tupac was here. Someone asked me, what would
Tupac think about the question? You just asked me about
the Epstein's file. There's a lot of artists that we
can kind of look at it and say, I think
this is the way they would have approached it, but
we don't know because he wasn't around when certain advancements
as far as technology is concerned, wasn't at his fingertips,

(02:47:15):
all right, So if I was to approach to Epstein conversation,
let me just say this in a nutshell, because I
don't want to dive too deep into that. That is
a not only a that's that's a psychological operation that's
going on, and they're playing both sides. So we need
to be very mindful on taking sides and coming up
with the list. The list may be a distraction in

(02:47:35):
and of itself because once you discover who's on the list,
whether it's five one hundred names or five thousand, what
do we do from that point? I think it's a
broader question and that you go when you really look
at the list and put it under the microscope. There's
a lot of black people you might not even want
to see their names that are on that list, people

(02:47:56):
that we trusted.

Speaker 3 (02:48:00):
A shay And let me just say that there's some
of the names of many of the names have been redactated,
and they got to release some of these files. I
think on Friday they gonna release some of these files.
But you mentioned about doctor College and Mohammed and UH
attorney Malie Shabaz was here this week and he's representing
the family, assuming the folks who have been using College's
voice on their recordings. So I just wanted to remind

(02:48:24):
and I think and.

Speaker 9 (02:48:25):
I think we need to applaud him with doing that
because the record companies have made money. You want to
say what I'm saying, and I say I was. I
was complicit to that, but this was when College was
alive and I got his verbal permission. He said, it
was a good thing that you that y'all use my
voice to put it on a couple of your songs. Professor,
grip you the minutes of information I used to run

(02:48:45):
with College. So it was cool. Then we was keeping
the We just keeping the man on the mind in
the hearts of the people. But now that he's gone,
should the record companies pay? And I had that conversation
with a couple of the family members, Doctor Colin do Muhammad.
It's a sticky, ugly sensitive situation. Came it really is.

Speaker 3 (02:49:07):
Yeah, well, I just hope they figure it out. Twenty
nine away from the top of the Coy is calling
from Baltimore. I Ice online to Coy. You have a
question for a Professor Griff.

Speaker 25 (02:49:17):
Oh, yes I do. Greetings everyone, Greetings, It's more just uh,
basically of course, how I feel and I think what
you're talking about today, it just makes me feel even
more about it should happen. I think the music we
should be going in the direction of definitely getting away

(02:49:38):
from what we're hearing and how we're moving our bodies
to the turking and back and what we say, you know,
it's time for the change and really talk about the
revolution and what things are happening right now and now
time is what Trump is doing things that the knowledge
has to be on the record because that's what we

(02:49:58):
listen Basically, most young black people, we follow music and
we strengthen out for that. They tricked us when they
started giving everybody the bag and Michael Jordan's Magic Johnson
and none of them speaks up and use their platform
for any of what these things have happened to.

Speaker 14 (02:50:17):
Us right now.

Speaker 12 (02:50:18):
So failure.

Speaker 9 (02:50:21):
But can I ask you something real quick, Yes, sir,
why should a sports artists all of a sudden become
politicience to use their bank to do anything for black people?
I know they should.

Speaker 17 (02:50:34):
I have answer to that.

Speaker 9 (02:50:35):
But I want to hear yours.

Speaker 25 (02:50:38):
Well.

Speaker 15 (02:50:39):
I just like I's say.

Speaker 25 (02:50:40):
It's just that I think we will trick well years
and years and years ago in the eighties, and when
everybody was trying to figure out how to get the money,
and when one person really got the money, it seemed
like we kind of gravitated to That's.

Speaker 9 (02:50:56):
What I want to do. I want to follow this.
I want to play basketball, want to do that.

Speaker 25 (02:51:00):
I just felt like Kafernick was the only one that
really stood up and just say something that's happening right
now time not you know what what happened understood, We
understand that. But it just seems like, uh, we had
one of the best educations here in America, of course,
and uh it seemed like we use the education and
then we want to start to act like, uh, yeah,

(02:51:22):
you know right in your opinion.

Speaker 9 (02:51:24):
Can I speak to that real quick, just real quick?
You did we do it? That's if we do a
disservice where we only put it on the shoulders of
Colon Kaepernick, and you did free and right now? Because
what comes to mind when when I'm when I'm looking
at sports and activism, I think of John Carlos and
Tommy Smith, and I forgot the Muslim brother in the
in the uh the basketball of the NBA that really

(02:51:45):
stood up in the ostracized and I think they might
have kicked them out of the bed a Muslim brother.
But anyway, I think of the Olympics, I think of
them brothers standing on the podium after receiving their medals
and holding a black fists.

Speaker 6 (02:51:57):
In the air.

Speaker 9 (02:51:58):
And I think that's what Colin Kaperannick hold from. There's
a consistent struggle in sports for us to get some
kind of and degree of equality and be recognized. And
we've always excelled and have risen to the top. Do
you understand what I'm saying? So I think when we
start talking about getting the bag, it's not either or bro,

(02:52:19):
it's both and And I'm not directing this towards you.
I'm just saying it's both. And we can be successful,
be popular, be rich, be famous and all that kind
of stuff and still support the black community. However, we
can do that.

Speaker 3 (02:52:33):
Yeah, And let me jump in here, Professor Griff because
I think what Corey said and what you're saying as well,
is the fact there's a price to pay. Those fellows
that you've missed the part of the resistance. It will
be John Collins, Thomas Smith, Rahem in basket, in the
NBA cabinet, in the NFL. They paid a price. And
these today's athlete, professional athlete, it doesn't seem to want

(02:52:55):
to put, you know, to get face that heat.

Speaker 9 (02:52:59):
No, no, no, I'm a product. I'm a product of it.
I was one individual that came up and I decided
to speak up and out, and I had to pay
the price for it, and I'm still paying the price
for it. I don't want to get off on the
professor grip tangent, but yeah, I understand exactly what Cory
is saying. I'm paying a price for that right now.
When I took whatever little moneys that I was making

(02:53:20):
and my voice and that music industry platform that public
enemy created, I spoke to not only black people here
in America, but throughout the world, and I didn't bite
my tongue about it, and it spoke right to their
face and held up a mirror to white American said,
this is what's going on, this is what we're speaking about,
and this is what we're putting in the songs. And

(02:53:41):
we were still popular and still famous.

Speaker 3 (02:53:46):
And did you know when you did that that you
they were going to come after you?

Speaker 13 (02:53:51):
To a degree, I.

Speaker 9 (02:53:51):
Knew because I did study history, and I know and
understand what happens when you speak up. I just didn't
know to this degree. I didn't know were going to
usurp some of the things I was doing from the
inside out. I didn't know that that kind of attack
was going to come from some of the brothers I
was in the group. I didn't. It blindsided me. It

(02:54:11):
truly did, and it set my spirit back where I
had to kind of regroup to survive. So I didn't know.
I should have known, because you know, I knew that
that the agent that that was help, that was responsible
for taking down Malcolm, gave Malcolm mouth to Mount for suscitation.
I know he infiltrated the Black Party, Nation of Islam
and a few other organizations. I should have learned that

(02:54:34):
and knew that from history. It just blindsided me.

Speaker 15 (02:54:36):
Called.

Speaker 3 (02:54:38):
Yeah, it's it's difficult to come to the legitization that
the people that your buddies with, your friends that you're
fighting with, they're working against your interest when working against
our interest seeing what you're doing, I can understand that difficulty.
You know, Chairman Fred Hampton's had to deal with that
as well, because she never expected that the least the
person that you least expect to betray you is the

(02:55:00):
one that probably will betray you if you had a pick.
So it's kind of difficult. But listen, we got to
step aside for a few months. We've got some more
folks want to talk to you. I want to find
out if you're going to help people in the music
business too, if you have any camps, any conferences, because
you know a lot about the business side of the
music industry and we need for you to share that
with some of these up and coming musicians. Family, you

(02:55:21):
got questions for Professor Griff, reach out to us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (02:55:27):
Next now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (02:55:57):
Rising Family, Thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning. Yes,
his Professor Griff. Before we go back to Professor Griff.
Let me just remind you. Coming up tomorrow, actually a
DC activist and humanitarian, brother Sinclair Skinner Ol Jonas that
tell us me his project is campaign I Love Black
People Campaign is going to give us an update on that. Also,
a former FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers, will be here

(02:56:17):
as well. So if you are in Baltimore, make sure
you keep you radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB,
or if you're in the DMV family, we're rolling on
FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL.
All right, Professor Griff Marcus is reaching out to us.
He's in Memphis. Here's a question for his online four
Grand Rising Marcus. A question for Professor Griff.

Speaker 18 (02:56:37):
Yes, Grand Riise in Carol and grand raising Profession Griff.
You know, Professor Griff, what you said about that divisiveness.
You know I can attest to that because I came
to this country in nineteen eighty when I was sixteen
years old, and in order for a white supremacy to rule,
it must recruit from the CM group they oppressed. When

(02:57:01):
we went to the embassy in Jamaica, it was a
black US counselor that interviewed us and you know what
he told us. He said, do that associate yourself with
those black folks. They are in America and they are
shift You can't they are shiftless. And Lizzie no, this
was a black man telling us this. So they players

(02:57:23):
against each other. But my person is this professor. You
know when you started, when rap music started, it was
revolutionary music, just like in Jamaica when when black people
babman and it was it was revolutionary. But it changed?

Speaker 9 (02:57:43):
When did it change?

Speaker 18 (02:57:45):
And who is behind the change? Because somebody is financing
this guard?

Speaker 9 (02:57:50):
Is she here that they put no no?

Speaker 18 (02:57:52):
So if you could speak and that briefly, I would
appreciate that, professor, and thank you for your contribution because
you have one thing they called firepta.

Speaker 24 (02:58:02):
I mean, take you good tea.

Speaker 18 (02:58:04):
I t you used to rappers need to go fire
on the differentis I knows otherwords, cool words. Thank your
professor out for your service.

Speaker 3 (02:58:12):
All right, thanks Marcus, professor kay whenever you lost, professor gret.

Speaker 9 (02:58:23):
Can you hear me now?

Speaker 3 (02:58:24):
Yeah? I can hear you.

Speaker 9 (02:58:25):
Okay? Cool? So Marcus speaking to this divisiveness and who
are the puppet masters behind the scenes controlling both sides
and even the narrative and even the way artists are
perceived and get paid is a very critical thing that
I've been talking about this for years now. I even
wrote a book called The Psychological Covit War on Hip
Hop about it. So they control both sides. They control

(02:58:49):
the narrative, and you're right, someone is behind it. You
could kind of blame that on the major labels, but
then again we had to take the duty of responsibility
on our own shoulders. There are subsidiary labels that were
set up so then when the music was pushed out
and the artists assigned, they have to come through sub labels,
subsidiary labels. The major labels served as the distribution companies

(02:59:14):
because they had distribution deals. You're right, Marcus, someone is
financing the divisiveness on the cultural level. Someone is financing
it on a political level. Someone's financing it when it
comes to average artists that make their way throughout the world,
throughout the goal, even throughout the country, in order to
perform for the people. So this is a major thing

(02:59:37):
that's going on. And this we're not in the analogue
age anymore. We're in the digital age. The same entities
that control the analogue age and the information coming through
the analog means are controlling it on the digital level.
And it's worse now, Marcus, because now before you have
to listen to the radio, now you don't have to.

(02:59:57):
You can listen right through your cell phone. So the
attack is going to get more intense. So we start
talking about racial identity and personal is a personal complexity
that we need to kind of dive into and understand.
White artists don't care about that. They take advantage of
the fact that it's black music is popular and I
want to be a popular artist, and a lot of
white artists benefit from it without catching the heat the

(03:00:21):
way we say it in this by saying this the
way we say it in the hood, Marcus is everybody
want to be black until this time to really be black.
White artists don't catch the same heat that a black
artist might catch. And that's that's a very real dynamic.

Speaker 3 (03:00:39):
Yeah, And he sort of co signed what I what
I was telling you about with the African Brothers in
d C about him a brother black person told him
not to associate with us when he comes to America.
That was interesting. But I say, it's what you just said,
Professor Griff. But let me ask you this Professor Grief though,
because you you have so much insight into the music industry,
and I hope that you're with some of these young

(03:01:01):
folks who want to get into the business. Do you
have classes or anything like that, or do you have
a book out that can help some of the folks
want to get into the business.

Speaker 9 (03:01:10):
Well, I have three books out and ready four books
out that speak to it. A Warriors Tapestry of the
Acapella Revolution and two major books, one dealing with symbology
and then the other one, the main one, the psychological
Covit War on hip Hop and anyone can kind of
look that up. But I'm also teaching classes. I just
finished a songwriter's class as a matter of fact, last weekend.

(03:01:32):
This weekend, because I'm doing it the whole month of August.
This weekend is music Business one oh one, and we
just kind of dive into student resources, publishing, sink, licensing,
network strategies, just basically how to navigate through the music
industry in a digital way. That we have to do
it because the world is at these artist fingertips if

(03:01:53):
they know how to reach out and grasp it. So
it's Music Business one on one this Sunday, I'm teaching
the class. People can call me at six seven eight
five five seven two nine nine to get in the class.
I did this call because I was on this show before.
In one of the concerned moms had called me and said,
her son is in this music in this he loves music,

(03:02:14):
he wants to make music. He well, he's in the
studio all the time. He doesn't know anything about the business.
So I said, well, let me set the class up
and offer it to not only that mom, to everyone
else that want to know about the music industry and
how to navigate it and.

Speaker 3 (03:02:27):
Survive it, you know what, and to have away from
the topic a professor give a professional artist, I will
remain nameless, and tell me that any entertainer, any singer,
has gotten beat at some point in that life is
Do you agree with that assessment?

Speaker 9 (03:02:44):
Yes, I lived with one. My wife stepped away from
a seven figure deal in the music industry. My wife's
so let and she says, nope, I rather keep my integrity.
I rather keep who I am intact in order to
be a complete whole woman, as opposed to having them
try to shape me into the female uh MC or

(03:03:06):
rap artist that they want me to be, and some
of the things that she has explained to me, and
how they try to mold and shape her into this
certain kind of artist. She said, that's just not me.

Speaker 17 (03:03:17):
That's this, that's that's not me.

Speaker 18 (03:03:19):
She said.

Speaker 9 (03:03:19):
At that time, I was a mom. She's you understand
I'm saying. And you know she had to, she had
to survive it. And when she got offered a million dollars,
she says, no, she turned it down. Yeah, she turned
it down and walked away from it.

Speaker 3 (03:03:37):
The markers talking about integrity. So many of you would
would not have turned a million dollars. Come on, you know,
we'll talk about.

Speaker 9 (03:03:46):
Most that right, right, But she wouldn't. She wouldn't and
she would have taken it. She wouldn't be the beautiful wife, mother,
auntie and teacher that she is today. So I take
my hats off to it because women, she kicks women
on retreats and she does she does the healing the
work that it does to heal our people, especially women.

Speaker 3 (03:04:08):
Well, you made a great selection, Professor griff So it's
congratulations to you. Ten away from the top of THATW
Mike's and District Heights Online five Mike, you have a
question for Professor Griff.

Speaker 26 (03:04:25):
I'm happy to be here with you all today. Happy
belated brothday, brother Griff, and.

Speaker 12 (03:04:31):
Thank you sir.

Speaker 14 (03:04:32):
We we we both.

Speaker 20 (03:04:33):
We spoke briefly a few I guess a couple of
months ago.

Speaker 18 (03:04:37):
I called you.

Speaker 26 (03:04:37):
I was I think the joke was old, Mike, but
I think we lost contact at some point. But I'm
really interested in you hearing what I got because I
think that with your help, Sir, that I think that
you know and this is a collaborative situation where, uh,

(03:04:58):
it's not just about me, it's about well, you know,
the person who's helping me. They have to get paid to.
But I really hope that we can get together and
you can hear the songs because I think they're very
I like to say, my songs are not like any other.
And I think you find what I got to be
very interested in that you might be able to, you know,

(03:05:18):
with me, do something about getting them out there for
the people very possible.

Speaker 9 (03:05:25):
You're talking about the songwriting process, the production process, the
distribution process, and then actually navigating the digital realm that
we have to operating, and you talk about navigating social media.
I still have your number and I will definitely get
back in touch with you.

Speaker 20 (03:05:38):
I appreciate that, brother, g thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:05:41):
Thanks mine professionally if you get that all the time.
But isn't that some sort of a danger because somebody
gives you a tape and you probably didn't even listen
to it, don't remember it, and somehow you do have
a production and it's a hit and it's similar or
kind of like what that person said. They gave you
a tape. They may not even give me a tape.
Is just sort of a danger for you accepting on

(03:06:04):
solicit of material from.

Speaker 9 (03:06:05):
Folks, there is a danger. But called if I'm in
the middle of producing songs. I'm at the end now
producing my album for my band is so collective. I
don't I don't, I don't take submissions. I just don't listen.
I get into a zone and I finished my project.
Then I listened to other people. Because people do get
accused of that, because you know, you kind of kind

(03:06:26):
of think all artists borrow from other artists. Marcus was
on the line from Marcus from Memphis was on the
line a few minutes ago, and I heard his head
that jare make an accident and he mentioned Bob Marley.
You know how many songs I've heard that I've heard
Bob Molly ingredients in those songs. You under sad what
I'm saying. So, Marcus, Bob Marley had an influence on

(03:06:49):
a lot of people, especially that particular sound. So you
heard the Whalers, you heard Bob Model, you heard other
people in other people's music. Call it cultural operation, called
it theft. We call it a lot of things.

Speaker 7 (03:07:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (03:07:05):
I tend to say I appreciate It's not cultural appropriation,
is cultural appreciation. In the case it was a gentleman's name.

Speaker 13 (03:07:14):
What you won't do for love?

Speaker 9 (03:07:16):
White guy? Uh, Cobby Cardwell? We could have swore Bobby
cart Well was black. You mean to tell me him
and Elvis and other Josh Stone and other people in
kemmy g didn't borrow from the wealth of black music
and what we have to offer on the spiritual level.

Speaker 7 (03:07:31):
They did.

Speaker 9 (03:07:33):
But you know what, Michael Bolton and some other artists
Begard's right.

Speaker 3 (03:07:37):
Right right now, I'm saying, when when the songs come out, though,
we didn't shy away from them because they're a white artists.
We embraced them. The music.

Speaker 9 (03:07:45):
Yes, your box gags a average white band, I can
name a few. I didn't. I didn't care. It was
a vibe. You understand what I'm saying, right, Ron Ron Timpleton.
I talked about him to my classes. He was the
one who collapse really on the Michael Jackson songs. We
didn't know who he was or whether he was white
or black. Those were some good songs. He was a

(03:08:07):
gentleman that gave us. He was responsible for the songs
that we that we listened to from the group of
heat Waves. So there's a lot of things going on
behind the scenes. We did what once it comes through
the speakers that we either we abiding with it or
we're not.

Speaker 3 (03:08:21):
You're right, because he worked a lot of a lot
of Michael's, uh the Top albums. I didn't find out
he was white too till I mean years way after
right and the commosas with Quincy Jones, you know, we
didn't find out that.

Speaker 9 (03:08:34):
Yeah, ever since white.

Speaker 3 (03:08:36):
Oh wow, he's jamming though anyway, stix away from the top. There,
everlast thing's calling us from Alabama. He says a question
for you. It's on line one Grand Rising. Ever last
thing you're go on with Professor.

Speaker 16 (03:08:46):
Griff Hey grand Rising Tresor Gifts the name he's talking
about the basketball players Abduahu his former name, Chris Jackson, Yes,
that's him. And then you also had Chris Hodges. Right
when they the Cargo Bulls went to the White House,
he gave Rom Bush a letter and that was his
career was gone.

Speaker 6 (03:09:06):
You know.

Speaker 16 (03:09:07):
Also one more back, Kirk Blood back in the sixties,
he's the one that fought to get contract because before
Kurk Flood fort you didn't have any contracts. So they
still might not have contrast to today if it wasn't
from Kurk Flood. So a lot of people that sacrificed
to put the lap of the line, you know, not
just for themselves, the fathers as well. Thank you, thank you,
thank you, and thank you again.

Speaker 9 (03:09:28):
Good brother. We need to constantly speak their names so
young people can know who they are. So when we
start talking about the colon Kappa Nick, we need to
talk about these brothers also. Thank you, sir, thank you.

Speaker 16 (03:09:38):
Yeah, one thing right quick. I'm originally from Hollows Queens.
I used to come out to Centennial Park out there Roosevelt.

Speaker 4 (03:09:46):
Nerve.

Speaker 16 (03:09:47):
Now, okay, he has to do like make the air
tell I said, okay, thanks, not to be.

Speaker 9 (03:09:51):
Good good than called Nelson missed Centennial Park. That's where
he used to work and that's where we used to
have the summer jams. And then Timmy A Park in Roosevelt.
That's where doctor Irving, Julius Irving used to play in
a couple of other people with Eddie Murphy used to
hang out there. You gotta say, I'm saying so yeah,
he struck a.

Speaker 14 (03:10:10):
Nerve with that one.

Speaker 3 (03:10:15):
Professor Griff, the classes that you're having, give us some
more information about them.

Speaker 9 (03:10:21):
Well, like I said, the first class that I taught
last Sunday was a song writer's class, and what was
it was designed to do to just put the tools
that the average artist that's coming up to give them
the necessary tools to put in their toolbox. So when
they approach songs and subject matter and themes, here are
the techniques that you can use in order to construct

(03:10:44):
the song. Now we're not giving them concepts and ideas
on what to write about. We're teaching them how to
write it. The second class is the music business one
on one to teach him the business aspect of these
of the music industry and how to navigate, not necessarily
to become a star or whatever, but just basically to

(03:11:05):
know the business so we won't be in the industry
so you won't end up like solet and a few
other artists that I know that have gotten taken for
a ride. And then the last last class we actually
do in person or online. We can actually construct songs
to put actual projects together to kind of help people

(03:11:26):
and connect people with producers in their surrounding area they
have access to and studios.

Speaker 3 (03:11:33):
Wow, So how did they reach you? If you have
a website or emails.

Speaker 9 (03:11:37):
They can reach me at Professor Griff dot me at
Professor Griff dot me and or six seven eight five
toots seven two nine one nine. Thank you very much
for having me call.

Speaker 3 (03:11:46):
Thank you professional Griff, and thank you for what you
do for us man, because you're one of those people
in the industry that give back and so really appreciated
and thank you.

Speaker 9 (03:11:54):
Oh give thanks. We appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (03:11:56):
All right, family, that's Professor Griff. Classes dismissed. They strong,
Stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning,
six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten w LB.
If we're into d MB on FM ninety five point
nine and AM fourteen fifty.

Speaker 1 (03:12:11):
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