Professor Griff, The Faith Brothers & Tarence Bailey on The Carl Nelson Show

Join us as Public Enemy’s Minister of Information, Professor Griff, takes the mic to address a crucial topic: how Black music is being weaponized against the Black community. This is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

Before Griff. The Faith Brothers will also check in. Additionally, Tarence Bailey, a descendant of Frederick Douglass, will share his inspiring efforts to preserve and promote Douglass’s extraordinary legacy.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and welcome to October. Hey, thanks
for joining us on this first day of the month. Later,
Public Enemies Minister of Information, Professor Griff will explain how
black music is being weaponized against the Black community. But
before we hear from Professor Griff, the Faith Brothers will
check in. Before the Faith Brothers, Cam Howard from Reparations
United will update us on the ongoing fight to save

(00:21):
and help Reparations, and momentarily Terrence Bailey, a direct descendant
of Frederick Douglas, who will share his efforts to promote
and preserve Douglas's legacy. But let's go to the classroom
door again and get Kevin to open up the doors first.
Grand Rising Kevin, Welcome to October, hey.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Grand Rising Carl Nelson, indeed, it's October already, the first
day too, man, giving you a chance to handle this
next series of days coming up in October so you
can begin again and get things going.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
That you missed all of the year. How are you.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Feeling, girl, I'm still learning, Kevin. I'm learning stuff every day,
you know, and when farist places that you think you
wouldn't learn, you've learned something, but you don't know that
you've launched something. You know what I mean? If that
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
You mean you learn something, but the knowledge of learning
it it is still.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
You don't know that you've launched something. Yeah, you don't
recognize that this is new. I did not know this before.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's like you hit your finger with a hammer. You
learn right away, bruh.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Right, and yet, but maybe you've been hitting your finger
with a hammer all the time and it doesn't hurt,
or it doesn't swell, or so you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
And then finally, finally it sets in.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Don't put that there, but put it here in a
more effective way.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Right, going back to the analogy between you and I.
You know, when you get to get a project in
the mail or something and you putting it together. I
just like to put it together. You like to read
really because I don't read the instructions. Then then it's working,
but it's not working effectively. That's okay, let me look
at it for me.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
For me, it's like, okay, you received it, you open
the box. You know, I want to have the entire
experience so the first part of that experience is reading
the instruction. Some some instructions now are just pictures. Some
are you know, it might be one line or something
you know, but that's part of the experience for me

(02:34):
is opening up the receipt and then opening up the
instructions of how to put it together so that you
know where to store that in case you need it
for something else. Not that you ever do, but you know,
I look at people that you know just intuitively open
it up and put part.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
A with part Z.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Right, you look at it and figure, okay, this goes
You have a diagraming okay, this goes here, this goes here.
You don't read the instructions, so which screw do you? So?
Okay this this has got to be for the small screw.
But you read that because you waste the time until
if I get stuck, then I go to the directions.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
No man, uh not the killer of all the time.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
But yeah, I laid the lay the screws out the
aid to be you know, the way they're supposed to
end the picture, you know, the long the long one,
the boats that go with it, and all of that
speeds up the activity because once you put it together.
Now it's almost as if you know already. But to me,
it's like, now I know how it works without the

(03:40):
trial and error.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Wait does this go here?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And yet you you haven't fallen out of the chair yet,
right with that assembly method. So yeah, that's that's learning
in and of itself. But what are we to learn
from this government shutdown that's going on today?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
What do you think of that?

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, you know, it's interesting to government. Some of these
government workers, many of them are God bless you in
our listening error Kevin out of a job this morning.
They don't have to go to work, but also they
got to consider whether or not they will have a job.
And those who have to so call essential workers have
to be on the job. But they're not going to
get paid. And then, but I understand that other factors

(04:23):
are getting paid. Do you know who's getting paid who
government workers? Is Trumps still getting the checked, you know,
because he's a government employee. Some people don't think is.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, he asked.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
All I can see about that question was that the
lawmakers are still being paid. They're one hundred and seventy
five thousand dollars salary will not stop because they still
have a vote to do today to try and stop
the shutdown. The last shutdown was in December twenty eighteen,

(04:57):
during the first term of Donald Try and it was
the longest shut down in history. And some federal workers
began showing up at the food banks, and the central
workers began to call in sick. You see, that's what
the central workers may do, and union officials that many
of them couldn't afford child care or the gas needed

(05:18):
to get to work. So this is almost like history
repeating itself. And if you don't learn, speaking of learning,
if you don't learn from history, right, it's your subject
to repeat that. So this is where we are. We
repeat It looks like they are repeating something.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I mean last time the if some of the
officials that you know got laid off or stopped working.
All the central workers they called him sick. The air
traffic controls many of them, and that hell speed up
the negotiations. You may recall that the last time they
had an impasse with the Trump administration and Congress.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Right right, Yeah, that's it's an interesting you know when
you wake up and you know isn't considered a day
off because they did end up after the furlough, they
did end up being paid.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
However, we find the actual situation Federal contractors, including hourly
workers such as janitors, security guards, are not required to
work and are also not guaranteed back pay. And as
I mentioned before, Capitol Hill lawmakers would continue to get paid,
Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid continue to be distributed, though there

(06:32):
can be slow downs, and the FDA can't ensure that meat, milk,
and eggs of livestock are safe for people to eat.
And the shutdown just began, and yet they're warning you,
you know, to watch your produce and everything. The Office
of Management and Budget has not yet given a new

(06:53):
estimate of how many federal workers are expected to go
without pay or to be furloughed if a shutdown were
to have And this time, however, OMB Director Restvant has
threatened mass firings. A reduction in force better known as
a riv would be a drastic escalation from the fallout

(07:14):
of past shutdowns. Democrats have called this an intimidation tactic.
Oh wow, it's not just the workers in and around
DC who feel the impact. At least eighty five percent
of workers operate outside of the city, such as federal prisons, courts,
national parks. The Pentagon's contingency plan is that some two

(07:38):
million troops, including hundreds of National Guard members. Yeah, maybe
they can stand down for a while anyway. National Guard
members deployed to US cities as part of Trump's crackdown
could be forced to work without pay, so they will
still be standing around in the subway. Most military personnel
are on track to be paid October first, officials at Monday,

(08:02):
but after that, troops would be at the mercy of
negotiations on capital.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I wonder how would they.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Well, No, once you're in the military, you're subject to
the orders that you get.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah. Yeah, but you know, for some of our folks, man,
they're working for free. We've done that quite a bit
a long time ago, so that that's an affront for
some people. It's almost a personal affront for some folks.
So that's going to be interesting to see if our
people are you know, know, they're not getting paid and
they're so called essential workers, if they're going to be
in the vanguard of those calling in sick.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Man. I mean, I'm continually continually looking through this. The
Transportation Security Administration workers at airport checkpoints around the country
would be expected to continue to work without paid doing
the shutdown. According to the Department of Homeland Security DOCS,
fifty eight point four employees out of the total TSA

(09:00):
workforce of sixty one, four hundred and seventy five would
be retained during a shutdown. Sixty one thousand, and four
hundred and seventy five commercial flights will continue to operate.
Over thirteen thousand air traffic controllers will continue to work
without pay.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Wow man. And during.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
That first shutdown with Trump, which lasted for thirty five days,
TSA officers called out of work like you said earlier,
you know, Health and Human services, about fifty nine percent
of the employees would be kept on during this shutdown.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
The rest would be furloughed.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Litigation may be postponed at the Justice Department, ah Man.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
And the list goes on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Let's look at social security, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
will continue while government officials city these baments generally won't
be affected. Some related services could become slow, such as
receiving replacement cards and benefit verification services. US postal service
will continue and wow, so there'll be people around, and

(10:12):
yet they won't be paid. How would that affect their attitude.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
And the morale you know?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Oh yeah, Well, there's a shutdown for the museums, Smithsonian Museums, Memorials,
and the Zoo. So even as you're off, you won't
be able to enjoy those areas that include National Air
and Space Museum, the Museum of Natural History, the National

(10:41):
Museum of American History, the National Portrait Gallery, and the
American Art Museum. But depending on its reserves, the doors
might stay open for a little while. In anticipation of
this shutdown, the Smithsonian announced that it would use prior
year funds.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
To remain open to the public. Maybe you should call ahead.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Outdoor sites such as the Lincoln Memorial, the Jefferson Memorial,
and the Vietnam Veterans Memorial will be physically accessible, according
to guidance from the National Parks Service. Tours of important
sites such as the US Capitol and the FBI will
be suspended, and members of Congress, like Representative Dry Evans
of Pennsylvania Posting, frequently asked questions about what to expect

(11:26):
during the shutdown.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
And the White.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
House tours have been suspended, and not because of the shutdown,
but because of the construction of President Trump's ballroom. And
speaking of President Trump, the John F. Kennedy Center for
the Performing Arts receives their federal funding for some employee

(11:52):
salaries in the upkeep of the building, a living memorial,
of course, to the late President John F.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Events and performances are supported by private dollars, so the
NPR spokesperson Roma de Ravi said the center's programming will
not be impacted by a shutdown. Federal employees like plumbers
will not be impacted either, thanks to the old BBB.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Is that the Big Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
President Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill passed by Congress included
two hundred and fifty seven million dollars for the Kennedy
Center for repairs restoration Ford's Theater, the iconic historic Ford's
Theater in partnership with the National Parks Service, and their spokesman,
whose name is a little tough to pronounce this morning,

(12:41):
said the daytime visits and access to the Peterson's House
where Abraham Lincoln died, will not be available during the shutdown.
Performances focused on the aftermath of the assassination, and the
gift shop will remain open.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Wow, all right, Well, let's boat start this program because
this is almost yeah, and if you're a government worker
and you've heard the news, you probably heard the news
before many of us have broken midnight. And if you're concerned,
you know, you don't have to work and just stay
at home and listen to the radio all day long
and enjoy yourself. Because we don't know how long the

(13:18):
shutdown is going to last.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Right, they're going to vote on it this.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Morning, so yeah, so hopefully short there'll be more news
and they won't give.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Them a chance to fire folks because that's what the
you know, that's the threat and usually Trump's Trump likes
to back up his threat, so you know, just hopefully
they don't have to lay off any folks.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yes, historic day.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, because of course we're moving into the holidays. People
need their money, you know, towards the end of the year.
So let's hope that doesn't happen. But anyway, thanks, thanks
for getting us the update, and if you're a federal worker,
just listen to us all day long. We've got the
news coming as well on this radio station, so we
get you all the information. Fourteen a half the time
the houris bringing our first guest there will be terns

(13:59):
at Bailey in Terrence grand Rising. Good morning, sir, are
you doing I'm doing well. Brother. You're a real lady
directly related to Frederick Douglas. Can you share that will us?

Speaker 3 (14:11):
How?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
What's what's what's the bloodline?

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Frederick Douglas is my fifth generation uncle. Uh. His older
brother Perry Bailey was my great great great great great grandfather.
It's a lot of great and I was.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Taking I was.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
I was born and raised in Tarboth County, Maryland. Uh,
same place where over Frederick Frederick Bailey, which we all
know as Frederick Douglas, was born and raised enslaved. My
family has been in Tarborough, County, Maryland since the late
sixteen hundreds. We're still here. We're still here in the

(14:49):
same county.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
So why did he change your name from from Bailey
to Douglas.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Well, actually, before he did the changed the Douglass, he
had changed it at least two times before. He had
changed his name to Frederick Johnson, Frederick Stewart and then
eventually to Frederick Douglass, which one of the white abolitionists
helped him take out. Was from the folk lady in
the lake. But you got to remember that through it.

(15:20):
Throughout that whole time, he was still on the run,
so he never he didn't really get his freedom, his
real freedom, until after he had ran to England and
the abolitionists over there paid seven hundred and eleven dollars
for his freedom, and he chose to keep the last

(15:41):
name Douglas because by that time the last name is that,
the name Frederick Douglas was his was how he made
his money. We didn't have the Internet and all that
stuff back then, so news traveled very slowly, and he
made he made the bulk of his money off of
speaking engagements, in touring and telling his story. So by

(16:02):
this time everybody knew him as Frederick Douglas. If you
said smike hands with him and saying I want I
want you to book Frederick Bailey to speak about abolitionist,
they will say, well, who is that?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
So I was just telling I was just telling Kevin
that I learned something every day. I just learned a
lot about Frederick Douglas, just what you just shared with us.
And I'm sure many folks did not know that side
of the history of Frederick Douglas, you know. So he
was born to Bailey's that what you're saying, and then
flipped to these different names.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, he was born for Fredick Augustus Washington Bailey. His mother,
who was also my great grandmother, Harry. Her name was
Harriet Bailey. Her parents were Betsy and Isaac Bailey, and
then uh then it was Jenna and Noah Bailey who
were who were you know, goes back even further than that.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Uh no, hold, I thought right there, we'll continue the legacy,
but in the moment, I step aside and few so when
we come back though, and tell us what you're also
doing to promote and preserve Frederick Douglas's legacy. Family, you
two can join this conversation with our guest. Our guest
is Terrence Bailey. Reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next and grand Rising family.

(17:16):
Thanks for waking up with us on this first day
of October. We've made it to October twenty twenty five.
Our guest is a direct descendant of a late Frederick Douglas.
His name is Terrence Bailey, and he's just explained to
us the difference in the names that Frederick dust who
was born at Bailey and how he changed his name
did not know that on his run. I'm working with abolitionists.
So Terrence, how' let you finish giving us the lineage

(17:37):
again because and you may just want to back it
up a little bit for the folks who are just
getting up because he says you he was born at Bailey,
and he flipped his name several times before he settled
on Douglas.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, like I said, he was, he was born a Bailey,
was born, he was born to His mother's name was
Harriet Bailey. Her grand mother's name was Betsey Bailey, going
all the way back to our first And that's another
thing too. You have a lot of people I know
you've heard down through the years to say you know
what you know, brothers and sister would be like, you know,
I'm changing my name because I don't want to carry
the slave master's name. You know, how do you unless

(18:10):
you've done them for the research and genealogy in your family,
how do you know you have the slave master's name?
Because in a lot of cases my family included the
Bailey family, there's not one white man or slave master
in our family lineage or or or anyone in our
family records with the last name Bailey. The last name
Bailey actually came from our first ancestry, catt Off the
slave ship, whose name was Ballet. It was there was

(18:33):
B A B A L E. And then as time
went on, the spelling change to be A L Y,
and then it was changed again to be A L
B A L I U B A I L E Y.
You know, they basically kept the European eyes in the name,
but it was still rooted and it's it's in that
same first ancestors name Ballet, So you know, uh, a

(18:56):
lot of a lot of us don't have you know,
it didn't start off for European names that we didn't
and we didn't have a slave master's name. Uh My,
Frederick Douglas's lineas goes up, goes all the way back
to bail, you know, which is which is how he
was born Frederick Bailey. And again, like I said, he
changed his name three times before settling on the last

(19:17):
name Douglas, which was uh brought to him by an
abolitionist that came out of the book Lady in the Lake.
Because he was still on the run, he kept the
last name Douglas because that because eventually that's how he
made his money, became a pretty wealthy man, touring the
country and inter actually given lectures on slavery and not

(19:37):
to mention the government jobs that he was appointed to
and being the first ambassador to hat him.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, has anybody done a story on that documentary or
on that that part of his life? You know, is Lennage?
Has anybody because that's some fascinating stuff that you just
shared with us.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
We're actually trying to do that, but that stuff takes funding.
Uh we it takes money. You know, I'm saying, we
we we we just we just we just started the
uh the Frederick Douglass Society of African American History, Culture
and Affairs, and and the launch state for that is
as a oucle Frederick's birthday, which is February fourteen, twenty

(20:16):
twenty six. We'll be having a formal gala, which which
which we put on every year. We ask members of
the DASPER to come in traditional West African formal clothing
and if anybody who's not a part of the ass
but it's black tie. But this year, but this is
no coming event is really special. This is a big one.
And before I say that, I see you got Professor

(20:39):
Griffin on the show. I wanted to give a shout
out to my big brother and that's a good friend
of mine and we're really really good strong brother.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
But yeah, see as well. Let me ask you this though, though,
do you know exactly where on the continent that Frederick
Jonas came from?

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Have you traced that Patson Frederick Douglas is Nigerian?

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Nigerian? Okay, shout out to Nigeria. I think today's their
independence day. I think, I think to Niger's brother, because
we have a lot of folks in Nigeria listen. In fact,
more people listen to us from Nigeria on the content,
but we get more interaction from the Ghanaians. But when
I look at the reports, I see most people most
of on the continent are listening from Nigeria first and
then Ghana and then South Africa. So shout out to

(21:19):
Niger's correct me if I'm wrong though, because and Kevin
you can check that for me if today's their independence day.
But that's interesting that Frederick Douglas was Nigerian. This this
is part of all what you know. This helps in
in the reparations fight. We're going to talk about with
that with Cam Howard too, because this, you know, all
of this, his lendas, his his struggle is why we
deserve reparations. But I'm glad that what you're trying to

(21:40):
do to is to promote and preserve his legacy, because
if you don't do it, nobody else will. But my
question to you though at Terrence was just all all
concentrated in the Maryland area, eastern Shore where in Maryland
with the roots of your family, Yeah, yeah, because that's

(22:04):
that's interesting. So you still have relatives who live there.
It's still people who are still connected to Frederick Douglas there.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah. I was born and raised in Tarbough County and
with the school in tarboth County I lived. I currently
live in the h in the neighboring county which about
Whi's about seven miles away. Is the bulk of Frederick
Ducks's family still lives within thirty miles of the slave
port that that that that that the slaves just came

(22:34):
in on in Oxford, Maryland. So you know that that's
the bulk of the family, because you know, like the
ballk of the family would be those descendants of his
siblings and cousins.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
And finally just waking up with twenty five minutes after
the top there, I guess that Terrence Bailey's a director
center of Frederick Douglas at terms, at what point did
you find out that you were related to Frederick Douglas.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
I didn't find out until I was in my thirties
because even even though living right there in that town,
because what white supremacies suppressed Black history so much, you know,
to the point where I had the elders not telling
the youth nothing about their lineage for fear that the
youth that the the kids would go out into the
were going to the schools and talk about their families

(23:20):
or whatever and what have you. And you you couldn't
do that on the East in the Eastern Shore of
Maryland back in the seventies and eighties and as as
late as the early nineties, you know, there was still
a lot of racism or whatnot. And then the elders
deal would a lot of hurt from the from from
Jim Crow and uh reconstruction and all that stuff, and
having having property ripped from them and and uh and

(23:43):
going and going to the back door restaurants to get served.
I mean, I'm I'm fifty years old. My father, my
parents were both going into segregation with the segregated schools
here on the Eastern Shore. So it wasn't long ago.
So it was. It wasn't until I would say about
two thousand and seven that that that one of my

(24:05):
great uncles, you know, finally, you know, finally just you know,
broke it, you know, just just just let all the
information out and just started, you know, teaching everybody about
who my great grandmother Pearl was, you know, that that
that she was Frederick Douglas's niece and that and that
they had been suppressing and everything. So he gave us

(24:25):
all the research.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
I took it.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
I took it all to Cedar Hill in Washington, d c.
Uncle Predick's house which is now a mudium, and took
it to the curator and gave it to her and
she verified. It was like, no, no, this is right,
and you know, mind blown, you know that that that
we I I was raised in the Hill community, the
oldest free black community still in existence in eastern Maryland.

(24:47):
Every black church and that in that community was dedicated
by Frederick Douglas. I ran I used to ring the
church the church fell for Sunday School in Asbury Church
which which uncle Frederick dedicated. Had no clue. I had
no clue whatsoever. You know that I was walking the
halls in the streets going to sitting on the porch
at the Buffalo Soldier house where all the friends are

(25:10):
actually sat there, and it spoke to the Buffalo soldier
who was in the Spanish American War, you know, and
I I stay on that porch. Had no clue.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Wow, twenty eight after the top of the and thanks Kevin.
Nigeria today is their independence day and it was. Nigeria
is granted independence on October first, nineteen sixty. As Kevin says,
a new constitution established a federal system with an elected
Prime Minister and the ceremonial head of state. Federal government
has declared Wednesday first of October twenty twenty five today
it's a public holiday to commemorate Nigeria sixty fifth in

(25:45):
independence anniversary. If you're just wonder why we're giving you
that information that Terrence told us that Frederick Douglass came
from Nigeria, that's where his roots are. But Terrence, how
did you feel when you know, all of a sudden,
you know, if you're rolling and doing your thing and
you're thirty years old and then they found out, Hey, you
related to Frederick Douglass. How is he?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Like?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
How did that feel? Man? When you when you got
that that news?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Ahn't say it's like, I mean, you know what the
average person when you tell that, when you tell people
something like that, they don't believe you, no way. So,
I mean, it wasn't It wasn't like it wasn't like
getting the lotter or anything like that. But it opened
my eyes to a lot of things. And and when
I started looking around at the family, I started looking
at pictures, are looking at my dad, my uncles, whatever,

(26:29):
and I and I was like, with that, he you know,
he looks like so and so and so like a
lot of the Baileies, especially the men on the eastern
shore of Maryland, all resemble they all they all have
they all kind of look like like him. Like for
some reason, all the men like I have cousins, third
and fourth, fifth cousins. That I that that people think

(26:51):
that we are the same person. You know, it's think
you know, I think we're brothers and we're might be
third or fourth cousins. But that that's a whole other story.
Worry probably for another show about a slave breeding that
went on on the Eastern Shore, which is probably the
corporate of that.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
You know, that was gonna be I'm sorry to interrupt you,
but but Terrence, that was going to be my next
question because the Doctor Patrician Newton segment, she she always
talked about it. In fact, she was doing some research
before she made her transition about the Eastern Shore, the
breeding farms in the Eastern Shore in Maryland. And that's why,

(27:28):
you know, some sort of sexual plactivities, if you will.
She thinks that this is what she was studying, passed
down through the DNA of some of our brothers and
sisters in the Eastern Shore because of this into breeding.
What did you find out about that? Because he says,
for another show, but if you could touch on that
briefly thirty minutes off the top, they would appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you this. If you
know the story of Frederick Douglas and a slave breaker.
Right Edward Kobe was a slave breaker. When Thomas All
took Frederick Duggess to the slave breaker, he gave the
slave breaker two rules. Two there's two things he couldn't do.
He couldn't breed him and he couldn't kill him. Slave

(28:08):
Breeden was a big thing on Eastern Shore. It rivaled,
uh that the Devil's half Acre in in Richmond, Virginia.
Uh because because of the because of the rampant slave
breeding and and whatnot, it went on the Eastern Shore.
A lot and a lot of those people had migrated
to Baltimore. They say now that Baltimore is the most

(28:30):
when it comes to African Americans, the most inbred city
in the in the nation, because a lot of those
a lot of a lot of the ancestors came from
the Eastern Shore when they when they when they got
freedom or or or left here in order for for
better opportunities.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
As my grandmother would say, in the bright lights in
the city.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
So uh right, twenty had away from the top down,
you know, and you know what shared that with us.
But she was looking into what what sort of emotional
problems that that would cause some of our brothers and
sisters that you.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Know what, here's here's here's here's the thing with that,
you know, you you you know how like you you
you have a cousin or somebody like or somebody uh
like one of your uncle's kids or something like that.
And and you see see him in you see him
in the distance, and you see how they walk, you
mistaking for somebody else in the family, or they talk
and they sound like and you gotta get up and
go into the room. And he was talking because it

(29:27):
sounds like, you know, one of the elders who's passed
away for somebody sounds just like them. How you can
inherit all that stuff? You can inherit trauma, you can
you can inherit everything. Why is why is a child
born never seen a dog, afraid of a dog, but
then but then in another child see the dogs and
wants to play with it. These things are inherited? Are
are inherited? Uh? So that that all that trauma, all

(29:49):
that trauma, all the uh post traumatic stress, all that
stuff you know, is inherited in all of us. We
are our ancestors. We can't that. There's no way of
getting around it. Uh. When when they say there's no
there's no slaves, that's there's no enslaved people today, that's
not true because because that all their trauma lives in

(30:10):
all of us. You know, it did every everything that
that there's nothing new under the sun. And until until
you make a conscious effort to fix it and and
and put and put down those ghosts, you know. So uh,
I believe firmly that all of that stuff that went on,
the slave breeding, the torture, the rapes, all that stuff,

(30:33):
we are all still reliving it because we ain't because
because it has not been dealt with, it's being denied,
it's being suppressed, and until until it's confronted, we all
are going to have to deal with those ghosts.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I shay, And that was that was what segment of
doctor Patriia Newton was studying before she she made her departure.
Hopefully somebody else will will pick that up, that study,
because you know, only our people are going to do
these kind of research. And that's a sad part of it.
But you know, interesting enough for all of you who
have friends who still support Ados and the where they're
foundational Americans, tell him this morning that you found out

(31:08):
Frederick Douglas is a Nigerian. See what they say if
they still if you still support them when you found
out Frederick Douglas was an iDeer, but it's a whole
nother argument. But it just just you know, it blows
the lid off of their fallacy and being different, you know,
because they claimed Clarence Thomas, but they can't claim brother Malcolm,
and now they can't claim Frederick Douglas. I just want
to throw that in there, twenty six months away from

(31:29):
the hell go ahead.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Terrence, Yeah, Well just just let you know, like we're
we're trying to keep that work going, like with with
the African American Cultural Center that were that that that
were that were building and creating this African American Historical Society.
Like I'm saying that the big thing about this historical
Society is that the entire executive board is made up

(31:52):
of Black legacy family members. So only only executive board
is the Frederick Douglas family, the Harriet Tubman family, the
Malcolm X family, as the Alex Haley family, the doctor
James Steele family, uh, the Henrietta Lacks family, the Bishop
of Alexander Wayman family, and we're still recruiting more Black

(32:12):
legacy family. Now this this is a big deal because
this has never happened in history. The families, the black
families of this country who have shaped this country have
never ever organized under an LLC incorporation of five oh
one C three for anything. Yeah, they may have met
or we're all invited or something like that, or group
were invited to the White House for whatever reason, or

(32:34):
it's solidaria or something, but as soon as they went
out the door, that was the end of that. This
is a protective sustain organization that you know that that
we're hoping that will be around one hundred and fifty
years later from now, and we're trying to build a
North American Cultural Center in the Hill Community, the oldest
free black community in the United States that were headquartered

(32:55):
at and then and Then and opened chapters up everywhere
where Black history is that risk of being suppressed across
the nation and whatnot. Now in this culture center, there
will be a genealogy department, which is which is very
very important for the black community after the slave trade.
We need genealogy. Uh the families need access to genealogy professionals.

(33:18):
So we're going to have a genealogy department in there.
We're going to a trade program and uh HBU satellite offices.
Not to mention a a a mobile museum to go
around to schools across the country to to to teach
about the oldest free black community and other Black communities,
that it's through black communities and the people that shape them.

(33:38):
During Black Teri History Month and and blackcha his story
month is three sixty five. It ain't just in February.
And and we also uh we we it's a bunch
of things that we we got going. But that genealogy
part is very important. And we and and that that's
in our business plan that we that we've we've shopped
out and forgot to mention. Wes Moore is also going
to be a founded member of this organization, right we

(34:00):
hold that.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Though right there, Terrence, we got to step aside and
check the ladies' news trafficking weather in our different cities.
When we come back, tell us more about that, because
you know the era that we're in, Donald Trump's trying
to reverse or throw out all our Black history, and
you guys are trying to preserve it. So we want
to help you guys do that. Family, you want to
join this conversation with Terrence Bailey. He's a direct descendator
of Frederick Douglas and Nigerian reach out to us at
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(34:23):
and the take your phone calls after the news trafficking
weather that's next and grand rising family seventeen minutes away
from the top day. Thanks for waking up with us
on this hump day, this first day of October. I
guess there's a Terrence Bailey. Terrence is a direct senator
of Frederick Douglas. Learning so much about Frederick Dogers this morning,
hopefully let me shout out our teachers on the way
getting ready to go to school this morning. I'm sure
you learned some stuff you can pass on to your students.

(34:45):
And of course you'll like to shout out our teachers
their most overworked, underpaid segment of our society. But for us,
we keep them in the spotlight. So shout out to
all our teachers anywhere on this planet going to take
care of our young people this morning. If you learn
some stuff about Frederick Dougs you heard the Terrence shared
with us morning, share with your students when you go
to class this morning. But before we go back to Terrence,

(35:05):
let me just remind you've come up later this morning
and speak with public enemies Minister of Information, Professor Griff.
He's going to explain how black music is being weaponized
against a black community before Professor Griff of the Faith
Builers will check in before the Faith Brothers, Cam Howard
from Reparations United or update us on the ongoing fight
for Reparations. And tomorrow we're going to be joined by
a clinical psychologist, doctor Jermy Fox, also a scientist and

(35:26):
medical doctor Keith Crawford, and also doctor Henry Johnson. Doctor
Henry Johnson is one of the characters in the cast
of characters in the O. J. Simpson trial. He was
one of OJ's best friends and from jump he said
OJ didn't do it and actually I think it's Saturday's
the thirty fifth anniversary. He crept me from among the
the jury decision that was heard around the world. So
we're going to talk about the ojchild with doctor Henry Johnson.

(35:48):
So if you are in baltimore'll make sure you keep
your radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB or
if we have the DMV family, we're on FM ninety
five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL. All right, Terrence,
just reach track again and tell us who the members
of that group that that you guys have put together
and what your plans are.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, the executive board consists of members of the Frederick
Douglas family, Harriet Tubman family, Malcolm X's family, the family
of doctor James Steell, Alex Haley of Governor Wes Moore
is also going to be a founder is also a
founding member, Bishop Alexander Wayman descendants. And we're still recruiting

(36:30):
more black legacy families. I've I've been meaning to send
an email to the Megnor Evers family. We're going to
see that. The good thing about this organ about this
board is in the Bible laws, you cannot invite an
individual from a family from a legacy family to be
on the board. You must send an invitation to the

(36:51):
family and they must decide who they're representative on the board.
Will be the problem with a lot of with black history,
a lot of our Black history is that our black
history is not in the hands of black people when
we go, uh like, if a city wants to honor
a particular person of a black person from say the

(37:13):
Civil Rights move up a black hero, more than likely
a lot of times they don't. They don't reach out
to the family and ask the family to supply to
supply them with the representative for this honor or whatever whatever.
They'll call a particular person out of that family and say, hey,
can you can you shut can you pop up? Can
you you know, show up for this whatever? That family
may not prove of that person to represent the whole family.

(37:36):
These things should be and then you and then you
have stuff where you have people that go out and
they create organizations in people's names who who without consulting
with that family or whatnot. They take advantage of uh
public domain. And a lot of these people don't look
like us, and the ones they do are backed by

(37:56):
people who don't look like us, you know, so uh
putting putting together this organization and it's not only preserving
their history, but also giving the families an opportunity to
have a say though in their family history. Uh. When
you when you're talking about brother Malcolm, you know, the

(38:16):
late from Malcolm you're talking about and at this point
you're talking about his family too, because because Malcolm, brother
Malcolm's name is a family name, so you need to
include his family and what you're saying you need to
allow them to be able to vet the information you
need to. Uh, I mean if it's the only, if,
the respectful, and the right thing to do for the
legacy of the of of said person. So that now

(38:40):
now so not only protecting and and protecting the history,
but also given black legacy families a voice and and
and and uh combat and what uh the this administration
is doing by but by them suppressing black history. Uh.
If we we build our own institutions, they can't suppress them.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
They can't touch that sou yeah, privately on twelve away
from the top there. And and when you build it,
we as the public Black folks globally have to support
it too. That's the other issue too. We've got to
get our people just to to support it because this
is our history and and and this is the information
we need to pass on to our young people. Howming
said that, though, where the head where's it going to

(39:22):
be headquarters? Have you guys decided on that yet?

Speaker 4 (39:25):
In Tarbo County, Maryland, we're trying to lock down this
piece of property that's right in the center of the
old community. It's owned by the county. It was the
health department. We're trying to get that now it's now vacant.
We're trying to get that property to bulldoze that building down,
and and and and put up our you know, build
our pyramids, you know, you know, put up our sphinx.

(39:47):
You know that that community has been highly gentrified with
this uh, this uh immigration thing.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
They ran out a lot of the black folks and
replaced us with a bust with with a lot of immigrants.
I said, I said, and uh, and then and know
those slights to that. You know, I'm saying to the immigrant.
You know what I'm saying they gonna get in where
they fit in is if somebody is nobody can nobody
can infiltrate your village unless somebody on the inside opens
the gate. So somebody, you know, somebody opened the gate.

(40:17):
And now and now so now we're just dealing with it.
You know, we're gonna, like I said, We're gonna build
our pyramid. You know that even even if a day
comes with where there's no no more black no more
black faces in that community, you'll know we've been there
because we'll have historical markers. That place will look like
Harper's Ferry. If you've ever been to Harper's Ferry, it'll
it'll it'll be one historic play.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Uh. As soon as you walk in there, you see
nothing but the history, you know, and we plan on
doing that. We don't we don't want any more lake landeers. Uh,
you know, flooding of black communities and and then and
then covering up the fact that it was a historic
black community. We want to make sure that all this
stuff is documented. That's why we were were We have

(40:58):
all these legacy members, like black legacy members like uh,
you have the the Mecro family is way down south.
You have the Sabaz family that's way up in New York,
New Rochelle, New York. Uh, you got you have the
you have the the Haley family. Uh that some of
them are clear out in California. This is a national
issue that we need to tackle and we, like you said,

(41:19):
we have to support black people, have to support black
history in order to make sure the information is on point,
because when you don't, you know that the message gets
muddled and they and they they tell, they tell what
they want to tell, and they admit what they want
what they don't want.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
No.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
One of the biggest problems that we have is that
if if we if we raised for example, say we
raised one hundred thousand dollars, all that one hundred thousand dollars,
less than ten thousand dollars of that as black money. Wow,
you can't complain when you when when when when you're
not putting up.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Right well? And now is the time that the situation
has changed that many of our people are waking up,
Brother Terrence, and figuring out what see they see what
this administration is doing, especially to our museum. So we
have to have our owner. And Wow, I just appreciate
what you're doing, what you're building there with the legacy families,
and hopefully our people will support it when it comes out,
because we have to tell our own story. We have

(42:21):
to tell our own history. We can't rely on the
government as they're showing us now that they you know
that they're gonna they can shut it down or decide
what they want to show us, especially when it comes
to slavery. And I know all those folks that you name,
some of that, they've got some great stories to share
for our young people. I'm just I wish it was
you know, it was already constructed and done a long
time ago, so it would soft this softened the blow

(42:43):
that we're now we're receiving from this administration when it
comes to black history. But I thank you guys for
putting that together, you know, and hopefully keep us in
the loops so we can pass on the information and
so people can start supporting it. We've got we've got people.
We've got some people got some money, you know, in
our community. They need to show some support. You shouldn't
have to, you know, do any fundraiser anything there is

(43:04):
LK write to check. That's it. It's a tax right
off of them. They should be able to do that.
Have you approached any of them, being wealthier black folks
the talents to help in this project.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
We're we're trying, We're trying to reach out and everything. Man.
You know, the biggest problem man is gatekeeping. You know,
you got our man, our our com our community. Man,
we're our own worst enemy. I ain't gonna lie to you, brother,
we uh you You have some of some of these
black nonprofits out here that once once they found a
line on some good resources or some funding or whatever,

(43:38):
they a lot of them will not share that information.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
There's there's a brother, the richest, the richest brother in
Baltimore City. I've been trying to get this brother's contact information. Uh.
His name is Eddie Brown. Eddie and Sylvia Brown. I've
been trying to get their contact information for the better
part of three years, you know, and people gate keep
them like crazy. I've been to Congressional Black Caucus events

(44:05):
and talk to caucus members.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
It's spent almost spent three hundred and some dollars of
our nonprofit funds just to be able to attend this
event that yielded nothing. Man, I'll tell you, and you.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Know why, Terrence, because they figure if you step on
the on the plate now, this is gonna cut their
funding if they decide to support your funding. So for
all those folks, I want you to give the name again,
so somebody knows somebody who knows somebody knows that person
in Baltimore. And if they don't understand what's going on here,
tell them to listen tomorrow because doctor Fox is gonna
lay it out. As we call addicted to white. He

(44:40):
says there are five core white values that some blacks
are addicted to. One of them is just what you're
describing right now.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
If the folks have got that information and they want
to keep it to themselves because they feel that if
they pass on the information to you, it's gonna duck
from them, especially when it comes to money. So what
are the names of the people you're trying to reach
in Baltimore again.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
His name was mister Eddie and Sylvia Brown. We have
the Anna Murray Douglas Visitors Center for Caroline County. We
have this property under contract. We're supposed to go to
closing October the fifteenth. We have one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars legislative bond grant from Wes Moore, but we're

(45:23):
still forty thousand dollars short on that. We're supposed to
go to closing in two weeks. And that museum in
Caroline County will be the only black museum in the
entire county and the first one dedicated to a black woman.
And it sits right on the It sits right on
the underground railroad route, right there on the chop Tank River.
The house actually once belonged to my grandfather, Frederick Douglas's nephew,

(45:46):
James James Gooch, was owned by him, but it's been
vacant for about thirty years and we've had it under
contract for a year, trying to get the funding in
order to convert this building, this house into a visitor
center and museum to Anna Murray Douglas, who was President
Douglas's uh wife, and it would also be to her

(46:09):
and Harriet Tubman because the the the Museums of Harriet
Tubman which was across the street and right on the
river across the field. The county sold that and now
it's at the Airbnb. So so now like we're trying
to recruit from where, you know, a majority of Republican
led council sold the only thing that you know, the

(46:32):
only thing they had as far as you know where
you can go for the underground railroad, they sold it.
So now we're trying to build this and like I said,
we got one hundred and fifty thousand, uh, we need
about another another another I think I think it's thirty
another thirty, another thirty thousand to go to closing in
two weeks.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
And all right, right there, hold on Tarns Home. Let's
let's beg. I ain't got no problem begging black folks
to help black help a black entity, So I'll start it. Family.
We need thirty thousand dollars. We got two weeks to
raise thirty thousand dollars. Anywhere you are in the diaspora,
listened before Terrence Leeves, he's going to give you his information.

(47:13):
Let's make this happen, because if we don't take care
of our future and our legacy, nobody else will. Because
he already told you what that group did. They're already,
you know, so to eradicate our history, they'd love to
it for it to collapse, this project to collapse. So
we can't do that. We can't afford to do that.
So we need thirty thousand dollars. We got two weeks
to raise it. Before Terrence LEGI he's going to give
us his information. We gotta step aside for a few moments,

(47:35):
tern So I'll let you give up that information. Next,
we got to check the trafficing weather, not different cities.
It's as I mentioned, it's four minutes away from the top.
They have family. You want to get in on this
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grind rising family, thanks for starting your Wednesday with us

(47:56):
this hump day, this actually is the first day of
October something. This morning already a lot of stuff from Terrence.
Terrence is a director, the Senator of Frederick Douglas. The
Legacy Group is going to tell us about and also
some of the projects they're working on. Also learned this
morning that that that Frederick Douglas was Nigerian, so and
today's Nigeria is independent, So happy Independence State to alligne

(48:18):
Nigerian brothers and sisters out there, whether you're if you're
on the continent or are on this side of the Atlantic. Coach,
but Terrence, for the late comers who are just getting
up right now at this top of this hour, tell
us again about the Legacy Group and what the plans are.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Ber The executive Board of the Frederick Douglas Society of
African American History, Culture and Affairs consists of black legacy
family members such as the Frederick Douglas family, Harriet Tubman family,
Malcolm X. I forgot to mention Reverend Nat Turner, doctor
James Steele, Bishop Alexander Wayman, alex and Alex Haley, just

(48:57):
to name a few. The goal is to preserve uh
black history uh through you know, education projects, trade programs,
and setting up a genealogy of a genealogy program, which
is very important for for members of the diaspora who
are who are descendants of of American slavery.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
We definitely need genealogy and to give these families a
u a voice of how they're portrayed, how their how
their family legacies are portrayed, and and uh and not
being left out of the conversation or oral history. The
families have things that you're not gonna find in the library,

(49:40):
the oral histories, the you know, uh, they're there there.
There are people alive who have touched in my family,
who have touched someone who touched Frederick Douglas. It wasn't
that long ago. So you know we uh the family,
this this be of this is this is a historic
could this will be the first time in history that
the black legacy families who shape this country, whether it

(50:03):
been through and through abolition or civil rights, have all
gotten together and organized under one banner. So this is
a history making event. February fourteenth, in Eastern Maryland at
the Frederick Douglas Birthday Gala and Historical Society launched. It's

(50:25):
actually also Civil Rights Heroes Day, which is a holiday
here in Maryland, which February twentieth, but the event is
February fourteen, so the tickets are on sale now and
we're looking forward to a great night. We got Donelle
Floyd from Push Play DC that's going to be providing music,
along with Isazu Sas, also from DC. Both studied at

(50:47):
the Duke Ellison School of Music.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
All right, and Tim, stay with us for a few
more muns because I got a couple of questions, a
couple of tweak question came into the studio here. The
one didn't know about doctor Um Johnsons because we've heard
this before. He's going around so he's a direct descend
I know. But for the folks who don't understand, I'm
gonna get to you a chance to clear it up
nationally because he's gone around and say he's a direct

(51:11):
descendant of Frederick Douglas. So telling the world now, is
he any kin to your family?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
We don't know that, dude, He's no relation to us, right,
and I'll take it I'll take a little further. He
I don't know if he still does it, but he's
to go around to those to those speaking engagements with
this with this family tree thing. I've seen that, I've
seen that it's fill with a bunch of misspelled names,
wrong dates and whatnot. If he shows it to you again,

(51:39):
if you, if you were, if you were Vince Worth, Evince,
and he put out his big paper, this big family tree.
If you notice it starts in eighteen thirty something the
Bailey family here, she starts in the eighteen six in
the late sixteen hundreds. Why does his tree, if it's real,
starts in eighteen thirty. Just ask yourself that he's no relation,

(52:01):
no relation.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Okay, well you said it, you heard it from uh
And of course chances are director center for the lake Comers.
Tell us how you're related of Frederick Douglass.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Again, my great great great great great grandfather was Frederick
Douglas's older brother. If you read the book The Narrative
of Frederick Douglas, he talks about his older brother Perry,
who uh who will put him, will pick him up
and put him on top of his shoulders to keep
the other kids on the plantation from bullying him because
he was the smallest youngest kid there. So that was

(52:34):
my great grandfather, the firstborn of Harriet Bailey, who was
also Frederick Douglas's mother, Arianna's mother, Eliza's mother. Uh, and
several other kids. Here here's something that that that that
I I like to I could break on your show
if you read. If you read, then the native Frederick
Douglass he talks about only the uncle Frederick only seen

(52:55):
his mother a couple of times and then his mother died.
You know, he didn't know what she died for, what
have you? Uh, you know, some time later, my great grandmother,
Harriet Fredid Dunson's mother died through complications of childbirth. She
had another daughter who was who would I guess? I
think they named after the fact, Harriet after her after herself,

(53:19):
and Doe to complications with the childbirth with with with
that last daughter, Uh, my great grandmother passed and uh
not even Uncle Frederick knew about how she passed. We
just found this information out maybe about a year ago
through some records. Oh wow, so yeah, so you know,

(53:43):
so so with women, women's health is very important, especially
in pregnancy. You know, if you think about it. We
lose more black women during pregnancy than than than than
our than our than our uh than there are white counterparts.
And at Frederick Duns's own mother died in childbirth.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
So that that you know that, Well.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Let me ask you this the terrence on your research,
because you know, folks think about the fourth of July.
When what Frederick dust About wrote about what the fourth
of July means to black people or just the slaves.
I'm not sure how it's being phrased these days, But
what when? How did he become in such a statesman?
What how did he come get you know, from all
his speaking engagements about slavery? Why did they you know,

(54:27):
how did he get all the way into the into
the White House, you know, preventing presidents at the top
of the food chain. How did he make it there?
What was it that they saw in him that they
respected his voice?

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Well, for one thing, he was what he was speaking about,
he had first hand knowledge of He wasn't a fake.
They accused him of being a fake. And he wrote
that book, He wrote the first book there a Frederick Douglas,
And that book was such a bombshell that he he
was a runaway slave when he wrote it, so he
had he had to go on a run. You know, nobody,
he names places, everything, he dined everybody out. He run

(55:03):
a tail all, you know, and then he had to
go on did he go on the run? That book
made him a superstar, and you know he was he
was the nineteenth centuries. I was just elbous.

Speaker 8 (55:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
They they they were clamoring for for this guy to
come and speak. Now here's also the thing too, a
lot of those white abolitionists were They were really also
using Uncle Frederick because he had a powerful voice, and
he because he spoke from experience, and he didn't and
he wasn't scared of any of them. He said exactly

(55:39):
what he wanted to say when he said it, and
he called him out to their faces. He had no
problem with calling slave master, slave owners and and and
other white people fake Christians. A lot of a lot
of his speeches were tailored out of I think it
was out of the Book of Acts, because then you
got the other Remember, Frederick Dudgess was also an ame preacher.

(56:00):
He and and his boldness, he liked a lot of them,
but they were a lot of them liked him, but
they were using him too. Okay, did they put him
in these places, in these spaces or whatnot? That you
did that other black folks would say what we would
call uncle Frederick bourgeoisie and say that you know that
he was, that he was a want to be white
man or or whatever. But these if you, if you

(56:20):
look at when my aunt Anna passed away and uncle
Frederick remarried, all of these so called abolitionist who believe who,
who believed who was Christians, and who were believe in
uh uh, every every human is the same and whatnot
a lot of those abolitionists left him high and dry
when he married Anna Pits. He might he may have

(56:41):
been this great. They might have made him into this
great statesman and paid him and made him a rich
man or whatever. But to them, and what he would
he when he when he married the white woman, he
got above himself and they and they said he was
still the inn word uh that those those two ladies,
I cam jumped drawn a blank. There was there was
a there was a campaign him with Uncle Frederick for

(57:02):
for the for the for voting rights for women. When
when the when the government offered to give voting rights
to two black men first, and Uncle Frederick went along
with it. They called him every in that those women
called him every inward in the book. It was two women.
I can't think of their names. I think no, Susan

(57:22):
Bean was Susan Bfy, I don't know, I can't remember,
but they called him every in word in the book.
We have we have to look at the history for
for for for what it is. Uncle Frederick did great
things for him for for our community, as far as
our freedom, our rights and stuff like that. But a
lot of the white folks who were saying that they
were did they believe that every human was equal. They

(57:45):
were serving a different agenda.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Well, you know, since she went there, she left minutes
after top down family, just checking in. The brother Terrencey
stands for a little long termance Baileys and director center
of Frederick Douglas because I wasn't going to go there.
But since you went there, because it's noted that he
married a white woman, and some folks are saying that
that's the negative on the gates all what he did,
because he fell in love and married a white woman

(58:09):
and it should have stayed with the sisters. How do
you how do you how do you solve how do
you say to people who say things like that, Terrence?

Speaker 4 (58:17):
What does that have to do with the work? What
he what he did? What he did for us as
far as the Emancipation Proclamation, as far as uh black
folks serving in the military, which which which started a
tradition that left to this day the voting rights. You
know this, This man was doing counter sit ins in
DC in the eighteen hundreds, uh and saying segregated establishments,

(58:41):
what the property? The problem with with with us is
we concern ourselves of things that are really none of
our business. It was none of our business. Who was
inherent Belafonte or Sidney Poitier's bid? It was never our business.
What with what was going on with with h with
MLK of on his downtime that between him God and

(59:03):
Corina we put we we we we we do too much?
You know.

Speaker 9 (59:09):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
That's that's us doing what the slave master taught us,
and that's to bring each other down. What what about
the work? If there was no Frederick Douglas, where will
we be right now? We would we be as far
as we are right now, or would we be the
equivalent of the nineteen forties, because you know God, God,

(59:33):
God sends people for a particular purpose, and and and
and what he did run running keeping slavery, and and
and and climbing to the heights of of DC power
and speaking on our behalf to presidents. You know, Abraham
Lincoln had had had no intention on on on on sign,
no emancipatient proclamation he needed. He had had somebody in

(59:55):
his ear. As a matter of fact, I can tell
you he had no he had no attentions on anything.
That's why he didn't let uh uh Cassius Marcellus clay
And as his uh VP because uh cass Cassius who
who our mom is named after, who was who was

(01:00:16):
a staunch adolystics.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
He was another version of John Brown, just without the violence.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
But we's all right there there, Terrence Fortune, have the
time there. Family again, a history lesson this morning from Terrence,
Terrence Bailey. Terrens is a director sender, uh Frederick Douglas
and Ross Jomas reaching out to us up in Buffalo,
New York is online too, Grand Rising, Ross Jomo, you're
on with brother Terrence, Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
Grand Rising, And I just want to add a little
bit to the to the soup. So uh, Frederick Douglas
is buried about an hour from here in Rochester, New York.
Uh and and uh part of his family. And as
you talk about the whole thing with the women's and
their votings rights, those things here in Auburn, New York,
it was a heavy betrayal. And another interesting thing is
as we look at the bisontiney of the area canal,

(01:01:06):
which helped a lot of the abolition in people getting freed.
All along those routes, Frederick Douglas would come and speak
and in many of these towns, even though there were
some people, even a lot of Irish who were trying
to help them, there was also a whole lot of
riots whenever he would come. So there's a lot of
history in upstate New York between here, you know, going
towards Boston, Massachusetts, a lot of interaction was taking place

(01:01:29):
with him and a lot of the local peoples where
he would come and speak often. So there's a lot
of treasure buried up along like this area. And it
is interesting, you know that another controversy in labor is
that Frederick Duggle was almost killed when the Irish came
and wanted to take his job doing calking on the shores.
And it's ironic that some of the other Irish in Ireland.

(01:01:51):
I once said, no, if you all want to help
our cause, you're going to have to help this black man.

Speaker 11 (01:01:55):
So it's a lot of interesting twists in his life.

Speaker 10 (01:01:58):
It's like better in Netflix, Like it's just incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
All right, thanks Ross Jo time you want to spawn
anything that Ross Jomen just mentioned.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Yeah, I mean, there's there's the show, there's that. There's
a lot of suppressed history. Uh and and if I'm glad,
I'm glad he called from that area because we're actually
in talks right now with the City of Rochester to
do a tourism exchange program starting the spring of twenty
twenty six, where a bus would come a bus would
leave from that area of the Auburn and Rochester area

(01:02:30):
coming Tradition Shore and we would host them and give
them a tour of uh of Tarbett in Dorchester, which
consists of the birthplace of Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman.
We would send a bus going up there for the
dude to do the same thing up there. Uh So
a lot of that history, you know, we we we
we hope to you know, to to actually break and

(01:02:52):
make it common knowledge. You know, uh, you got you
got people trying to trying to suppress it, and and
it makes you want what in this history you don't
want to know?

Speaker 11 (01:03:04):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Are you h right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
And hold I thought and terms If you can stay
with us a little bit longer it pushed you through
is I hope you can because Mark in Houston has
a question for you as well, but we got to
step aside for a few moments. I'll let you just
hope you can stay with us and answer Marks question.
Then we're going to talk. We're going to talk about
the shutdown, the government shutdown with Kevin. Eighteen minutes after
the top, they have family. Do you want to get
in on this conversation with Terrence Bailey, a direct descendant

(01:03:29):
of Frederick Douglas. Hit us up at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six y' we'll take
your phone calls next and grand rising family. Thanks are
waking up with us. As twenty minutes after the top
of the are it's the first day of October. It's
a hump day, the middle of the week. That means
we're halfway through the work week and after this is
downhill all the way. I guess if you just listen
to his brother, Terrence Bailey. Terrence is a directors CNAT

(01:03:51):
of Frederick Douglas. And you give us, you know, the
plans for the family to promote and preserve Douglas's legacy,
also the legacy of some of our other freedom fighters.
And I got to have him repeat that before he
leaves us. But before we do all of that, Mark
in Houston has a question for you. Terrence is online
three Grand Rise in Mark. You're on with Terrence Bailey.

(01:04:14):
It's Mark there on line three. Kevin, all right, I'm
not here in Mark, Terrence are you there?

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Okay, cool. Because he wanted to Mark one talked about
I guess he hung up. He wanted to talk something
about or Frederick Douglas. But again, for the lake comers,
give us the legas because that was just fascinating news
that that all these families are coming together. Because one
of the things they talk about, you know, black people,
we can't come together. We can't agree on what time
it is. But for the late folks, because this is

(01:04:46):
the first time you drop this news on us that
are coming together. Please share that again with the lake
comers people just getting up this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Yeah. We did the launch of the Frederick Douglas Society
of African American History, Culture and Affairs February fourteenth, the
executive boards February fourteenth in Eastern Maryland with a formal
galla celebrating the birthday and Frederick Douglas still right here
will day and the Executive Board of the African American

(01:05:14):
Historical Society, which right now is for the Eastern Shore
of Maryland and Greater Chesapeake region. As we add more
more legacy families on it will expand. But as of
right now, the the board consists of the Frederick Douglass family,
Harriet Tubman family, Reverend Nat Turner family, Malcolm X, Bishop

(01:05:36):
James Steele, I'm sorry, doctor James Steele, Bishop Alexander Wyman,
Alex Haley, and the Henriette Lacks family. Actually we'll actually
wait for confirmation for the Henriette A. Lax family.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
All right, well, let's let's get it together. That's as
Stanley Marcus reach back to us online two in Houston,
Grand Rise in Market. Let's try again. You're on with brother, Terrence.

Speaker 12 (01:06:03):
Grand Rose, and my brother's this morning, y'all doing all
right this morning?

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Good morning, yes, sir.

Speaker 12 (01:06:11):
They probably the call and when he's talking about Douglas
and I know he was married to a sister, and
then you turn around and said that he had he
got married to a white woman. Those are a lot
of issues that uh after the American men and women
that uh, we don't really like those type of things
when we hear something like that because at the end

(01:06:32):
of the day, we see what the deal as in
twenty twenty five and this year, like Clarence Thomas, you
know he's married to this woman. Uh you know, Kamala
Harrison ran for president. She was married to a white
and then also a young lady that's sitting on the
United Supreme Court, Jackson, she's married to.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
A white guy.

Speaker 12 (01:06:53):
We don't have big issues with those things when it
comes to politics and and and the rule of law
can change our family members and children and stuff like that.
But we don't have a problem with people like Charlie
Wilson who's married to a white woman. Loves his music
down the ross marriage to a white man. We love
a music. But when when we see things like that,

(01:07:15):
and and and and and and people who go out
there and and protest and do things like that and
marry out.

Speaker 11 (01:07:21):
Of the race.

Speaker 12 (01:07:22):
You know that that that's a hard peal of swallow man, uh,
especially as you can see what happened with our first
black president, Barack Obammas. Those those things, the fake things
that were going out about him resting around with just
him white woman.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
So at the end of the.

Speaker 12 (01:07:39):
Day, that's a hard peal of swallow man when we
hear those things, man, because those types of people are
influencing our lives, man, and they can change our our future.
So we want people that that that represent us and
look like us, talk like us and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
But we we.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Just we just right and I don't I don't think yeah,
and he addressed that earlier and I think his line
drop by the way, so you're still there, all right.

Speaker 11 (01:08:10):
Great, all right, I was the finish.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Okay, well let's give let's give you a response, Mark,
and thank you for calling. And you know, and he
represents you have a certain segment of our community who
feels that way, you know. And this is hopefully doctor Fox,
I hopefully'll be listening tomorrow. And doctor Fox talks about
this purity line. There's some black folks. That's that's part
of the white addiction. You know, who's blacker than who?

(01:08:35):
Who's you know, he talks about this. In fact, that's
one of the major Uh there are five cool white
values that many blacks are addicted to, and that's one
of the major ones. Who's who's black? I'm blacker than you,
I'm blacker than you. You you've got a defect because
of this. Is we're gonna knock off some points off
of you because of this and that. And he's addressing
the interracial issues. So I'll let you respond to it

(01:08:57):
because you know it better than I do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
That that stuff right there, when you're talking about you
know who what somebody what what somebody's got in their
bed in their private house. Again, that's not my business.
That's not as that's that's none of our business, to
be honest, that our business is to work what what
what you're doing that directly impacts me. When you get
there in front of the microphone, in front of those
people of power, in them halls of power, and you're

(01:09:21):
speaking on on my behalf. They ain't got nothing to
do with who you're screwing here. You're they ain't gonta
do with none of that. You know that that stuff
goes back to back when you know, on the plantation,
when the when the when the slave master will pit
light skin against dark, old against young. It's stilled in

(01:09:43):
us a way to try to diminish one another in
some kind of way. If if if you get up
there and you give, and you give a I have
a dream of equivalent speech, But then they find out
you're going home to a white woman, and now your
speech wouln't that's uh what out here? And you cure
cancer but you but you're going home and you're married

(01:10:05):
to a white man. Well, I guess they don't cure
all cancer. We the only ones that do that to
each other. They're only ones on this planet. And that's
and that's why, and that's what we always bring up
the tail end.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Well, yeah, do you think people say that because they
don't understand the accomplishments that that Frederick Duggs did, all
that he did, Because most people look at it and say, okay,
all that he does, and they see this with Harry
Belafani as well, the you know, all the Harriet done.
I mean We had this conversation with doctor j Doctor

(01:10:42):
Lennon Jefferies, and he was all he was adamant so
all that Harry Belafonia has done and all he can
say because he met he was just upset. Somebody called
him asked about that. But I think the question is
where Mark and Houston is talking about because he does
not know all the things that that Frederick Dougs has done.
And this is what you're trying to do with this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
I yeah, well but see, and here's the other you know,
like if you if you go on TikTok and and
and and and you know, forgive me, I gotta I
gotta tell you, if you go on TikTok, it's a
lot of of our sisters that's tearing down, you know,
the the the the the Douglas is, the Mark, the
Mlks or whatnot. You know we here recently MLK has

(01:11:22):
been Charlie Kirk. But but it's it's our it's our
black women. And then and then you then you got
these individuals that are out here that are Lion glad
Lion saying that Uncle Frederick left my aunt Anna for
hell and Pitts. That's not true. Aunt Anna had passed away.
And then on top of that, here's another here's another

(01:11:43):
thing that people don't know. Anna Mary Douglas was wheelchair bound.
Chad real bad authorritis. She was wheelchair bound right, uh
And and a lot of if if you know, you
know back in today are are are our elders like
the old old school marriage and our family if one
of the individuals in the in the marriage ill or

(01:12:06):
chokes sick, and couldn't you know, you know, be that
that that wife or a husband that used to be
especially intimately a lot of times that those that those
those marriages had and understand it just don't bring it home,
if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yeah, And that rule is sometimes you're still in use today.
Thank you for explanation, because because I guess who are
you sleeping with? Does it matters what what have you
done or what are you doing to help us? I
think that's an individual ocasion. That's why we have a
clinical psychogists like doctor Fox to come in and sort
that out for us, because you know, some people get
confused and they negate everything that the person is accomplished, uh,

(01:12:47):
based on one issues. They're kind of like voters. If
your talents. You know, they vote on one issue. Many
people voted for Donald Trump, for example, because they didn't
like the stance on abortion, and look what they got
now you know, but they're just a single is for this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
But no, no, no, now, okay, let's let's let's say, let's
say okay, they were talking about uh there was accusing
Kamala Harris of sweeping her away to the top right
now with that head going away with that not said
that had she married a black man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Well, here's the only thing too, because you mentioned TikTok.
Let me yeah, let me say this, because bren siek
has been telling us, don't read everything and believe everything
you see on the internet. A lot of bolts are
out there trying to sway our minds. And now TikTok
has been sold. Donald Trump is just professing that it's
going to use it to spread macca. So you know,
I've got I signed up for TikTok, but I haven't

(01:13:39):
used it, and now I know I'll never use it.
But you've got to be very wary about anything anything
on social media. How to have a conversation a friend
of mine that been posting stuff about him, he's well
known on the internet doing it for clicks, you know,
and the question is what do we do. Do we
confront it or just leave it? If we confront of it,
gets it gets more attention, it gets real wide attention.

(01:14:00):
Everybody will go to this person they can get make
clicks so they can make money. So again, be very
very careful. And I keep saying this every time. Brother
Sidiki's on what you see on the internet. A lot
of stuff, a lot of fake stuff is on the internet.
But anyway, Terrence, stay with us at twenty nine away
from time because we've got some more people want to
talk to you. I know you do it over time,
and I appreciate it. Jerome's calling us from Washington, DC's

(01:14:21):
online too, grand Rise and Jerome, you are on with Terrence Bailey.

Speaker 13 (01:14:25):
Yeah, good morning. I hope you mentioned a lot of
family names. I didn't hear the King family, and I'm
wondering if you contacted the King family.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Well, I was at an event with It wasn't Bernice.
It was one of the There was one of the
nieces that was down here and she came here to
Tarboro County and I gave gave her my information to
talk to her about it. I haven't heard anything back
from them, so we'll we'll we'll circle back and try
to reach out some different family member and see what

(01:15:02):
we can get going from there. But that the intention
to reach out to them. We're doing tending to reach
out to them. But I did make contact with one person,
one lady h and her and her son. I can't
remember her name. I can see her face, I can't
remember her name, but I know she was a mlk's
niece and uh. I did talk to them face to
face and they never got back to me.

Speaker 13 (01:15:23):
All right, thank you, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Thanks In terms if you need to help, I can
share some numbers for the King family as well. If
you need help, I could pass that on to you.
You can call them directly. Twenty eight away from the
top down. It's just the Fahimas checking in from DC. Also,
she's online three Grand rising and system for Hima. You're
on with Terrence Bailey.

Speaker 14 (01:15:41):
Yes, good morning, mister Nelson in good morning. You guess
I was well two things I was calling up about
the other other port. Bernice King is pretty active on
social media and she probably you could probably be more
accessible to get in touch with her. Through the King Center.
And I'm sure mister Nelson can't put you in touch
with it, because then she'd be very much open because

(01:16:02):
she's very active and engaging in the in the community
as well as Martin Luther King Junior. But what I
wanted to say in terms of Helen Pitt, from what
I understand, she made sure the Cedar Hill was maintained
and that we didn't forget Douglas's memory early on. People

(01:16:24):
really see, this is the reason why we're in this
situation that we're in, that we spend more attention focusing
on what other people do rather than focus on what
we need to do. The reason why we're in this
current situation is because people were more concerned about what
was going on with other people than what was going

(01:16:45):
to happen to them. And you know, every year, sir,
I share the feast that was done with the grand
great grand you know, the grandchildren. What to the to
the Slave is the fourth was a wonderful piece that
was done by NPR, and I shared that often. I've
shared it with my students, and I've shared it online

(01:17:06):
and just continue to maintain that great person's She was
on the board of Trusted cheese of my Alma Mada,
and we have Frederick Douglass Hall on Howard Campus and
just continue to maintain his legacy and as they often say,
keep on keeping on and don't worry about these ignorant
people who really are focusing on the wrong thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Thank you, all right? I think she said, yeah, she
she's a uh, she's exactly right. Uh, guy, I guess
my step aunt. Well show me my step on. She
would be my aunt Olympics.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
If it wasn't for her, you wouldn't have Cedar Hill
deren anacostium.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
The kids, the kids wanted to sell it, you know.
But but and actually she wanted to bury uncle Frederick
there uh on the on the grounds at Cedar Hill,
but she was overruled by the kids. Uh. If it
wasn't for her, there would be no f d M
A h A uh which is which is headquartered there
in Uh. The in d C. As the oldest Frederick

(01:18:11):
Douglas organization in the nation. It was started by Helen
Pitts and Rosetta Sprague. It has it also has a
federal charter. Uh. They were maintaining the house and and
and inventory of all my uncle's belongings. And my great
grandfather of Perry died in that house upstairs in the
in the adjoining room to Uncle Frederick. If it hadn't

(01:18:35):
been for her, none of that stuff would have happened.
That house probably would have been bulldozed or wherever, because
when F. D. M. A. H A. Had it and
then it fell into disrepair, didn't have the main to
fix it. So the Kennedys stepped in and made it
a part of the National Park Service and they dropped
millions of dollars in it modernized or whatnot. And now
it's and now it's there, open for the public for

(01:18:55):
everybody to see. That is Helen Pitts is doing and
Rosetta's doing. If it had not been for her, there's
no telling at that house, WI he would still be there.
And given a prominent location on that hill looking over
looking looking over the Anacostia River in DC. No, it
probably probably would have been knocked down by some rich

(01:19:16):
person who would have put what they thought should have
been there. So with me, people in terres.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I don't know how much it's time you can give us,
because we gotta step aside and get caught up at
the ladies trafficking weather, but I want you to give
out the information about the event you have in early
next year, also the fundraising event that you're having as well.
So if you can stick around and give us that
information to appreciate it. Family, you want to join this conversation.
That guest is the Terrence Baile. Terrence is staying doing
overtime for us this morning. He's the one of the

(01:19:44):
direct attendants of Frederick Jalis is giving him some family history.
I had all started even how then he changed his
name to Douglas from from from being Bailey. What are
your thoughts? Eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy
sixty phone calls after the traving news and weather that's
next and grand rising family. Thank just starting your day
with us and starting the month of October with us.
It's sixteen away from the top of that. It turns
barely turns to the director's center of Frederick Douglas. Come up.

(01:20:07):
Later we're going to speak with some of the faith
one of the faith bether that's going to be with us.
And also later this morning public Enemies Minister of Information
was a grateful join us to explain how black music
is being weaponized against the black community. And tomorrow we're
gonna be joined by a clinical psychologist, doctor Jeromy Fox.
Also scientists and medical doctor Keith Crawford will be here,
and also doctor Henry Johnson. Some of you may have

(01:20:29):
seen doctor Henry Johnson during the O J. Simpson trial.
He was one of OJ's well, it was one of
o J's closest friends. He you know, from the jump
he said, OHJ didn't do it. So and I think
Saturday or Friday, I think is the thirty fifth anniversary
of the jury the decision heard around the world. So
doctor Henry Johnson is going to join us to talk
about OJ. So, if you're in baltimore'll make sure your

(01:20:49):
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ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty w L.
So before we let you go, though, Terrence twea one
you know, says, please ask you to talk about members
of the Douglas family and Booker T. Washington's family marrying
and their connections to Brazil. Are familiar with that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Uh, that's on the other side of the family that
we have my my cousin, Uh Nettie. She's she's Bendie
Washington Douglas. She's like she's in her eighties. I don't
I don't like to call her cousin Nettie because it
makes it seem more like like we're pears anything. And
she's an elder in the family, and so I call
her Auntie Nettie. Uh. She she was the one who

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was the first in the family to join those bloodlines. Uh,
born down in Tuskegee. And then she has and then
her oldest son, Jenneth B. Morris, my cousin, and then
uh she had a daughter. She has a Doug and
her daughter named Nettie. Uh. There are they are the
only ones within our family that uh have the the

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uh Booker T. Washington connection the rest of us. I
guess we're like in laws or whatever related by marriage.
I don't. I don't know like a whole lot about
the you know that the inner workings of any of
any stuff. With looking to Washington, like I said, really

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my family is only related to him through uh the
marriage and and uh and Constantine, you know, and and
I'm having a child, which was Auntie Netty. But I
can say, I can. I can set up an interview
for you the brother if you want, if you want
to talk to Kenny Kenny yourself, get him on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Yeah, that's okay, let's do that. But Terrence, we know
we're gonta. Let you go and thank you for staying
over for us. But the two main events that you
shared with us this morning that're taking place early next
year and also the one that we need to raise
some money for. Explain that to our audience, the lake comers.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
Okay, we we go to closing on October the fifteenth
for a property to establish the Anna Murray Douglas Visitor
Center and Museum. It's on the on the ground railroad,
Caroline County, Denton, Dentton, Maryland, Caroline County on the Chop
Tank River, which the Chop Tank River was used very
heavily by Harriet Tubman to to escape to bring people

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north to Freedom and Caroline County, the Dentton, Maryland region
is where Aunt Anna is from. This would be the
only black museum in the county. Right now, we have
we have one hundred and fifty thousand dollars grant of
a legislative bond initiative from wes Moore from Governor wes Moore.

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And the property is one hundred and eighty five thousand,
so we are about thirty five thousand dollars short on
the on the property price. We've had this property on
the contract for over a year now and we need
to get this wrapped up and s speaking start the
renovations and then February to fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Well before you go on, so how much do we
need on on what's ther timeframe do we need?

Speaker 10 (01:24:08):
We need?

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
We need thirty five thousand dollars by October fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Okay, got it all right? And the next project.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
The next project is the launch of the Frederick Douglas
Society of African American Affairs, History, I'm sorry, African American History,
Culture and Affairs Incorporated on February to fourteenth, twenty twenty six.
It's a it's a formal galler every year when we
have OPO Frederick Birthday celebration. We have everybody members of

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a diaspora to where to come in a traditional formal
West African guard and anybody who's not a member of diaspera.
It's black tie. It is a catered event. That is
the music is supplied by Donelle Floyd formerly a Rare
Essence and Azuu Sachs, both of which are attended Dukeleton

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School for School of Music. There's a there's an awards
ceremony uh are at the annual awards Frederick Douglas Awards
and and and that at all proceeds from that go
to UH, the African American Historical Society and the Bailey
Gross Family Foundation. We're trying to build an African American
cultural center in the Hill Community, which the oldest free

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black community still existence in the United States. That's in
Tarboth County, Maryland. We also offer tours of the community
and you can you can help us out donate to us,
which is tax deductle, tax deducible. We are a five
O one C three at f D Hill dot org.
That's f D Hill dot Org, h f D H

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I L L dot org and you and everything is
tax deductible. You can also order a T shirt, coffee
mug of the Frederick Douglas Legacy Mural, which is which
is located also in the Hill Community of eastern Maryland, and.

Speaker 15 (01:26:03):
You can you can contact me by texts at nine
five for zero one five three eight one and we
appreciate everybody, and thank you in advance.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Yeah, and that number one more time Terrence.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
By text only for zero, one, five, three eight one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
All Right, family, we gotta work cut out for us
because you know, if we don't do it, nobody else
is gonna do it. And they don't where they're trying
to cut out our history. We already know that we've
seen what they're doing to the to our museums, you know,
because and those are our taxpayers. We pay for those museums.
But if we if we can fund our own, we won't.
It doesn't matter what they do. So this is what
Terrence and his family and the Legacy Group, as you mentioned,

(01:26:47):
they're trying to do. Terrence, I just want to thank
you man, thank you for what you do to promote
and preserve the legacy of your I guess it's your
great great it's a great great uncle, great great grandfa.
What is the direct lineage here, great uncle, uncle, great
uncle Frederick Douglas. And thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
That one of my biggest things I want to leave
people with. You know, would you look at you look
at all these uh, these these legacy people that that
that they shape the country. You know, in our community,
whether whether it be uh Malcolm x or or doctor
King or whatnot. Everybody has a Malcolm, a Martin, a Frederick,

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a Harriet, a Gnat in your family, all of us do.
You have to find them. That's that's why genealogy research.
Knowing who you are. I think a lot we have
a lot few of our young black men and women
in the system, uh in, in the correction system, if
they knew they came from somebody, and we we we

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have we have to our elders, we love them dearly.
We have to undo some of some of the some
of the things that they that they've done by telling us, uh,
so and so's dead and gone, let them rest or
not not passing on family history. We we we got
we got to come back with the shovels and dig
and dig those bones up because our kids now are suffering.
You have to let the kids know that that they

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came from somebody. So they are somebody. You know a
lot of these people that out here that that are
that are in that that are into dope and and
and in and out of the jail system or whatnot,
have no self worth. If you've remember going to school.
You see those you see those white kids. They came
to school with their parents own the business in town,
or if their parents was a local attorney or or

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or or they or they did with some family. They
came from, some famous white person in the in the
in the area. They came to school where they chest
poked out. You couldn't tell them they wouldn't nothing you did,
you You could not tell them that they wouldn't somebody.
We need to do the same thing for our kids.
And and you can tell me, Jim, I said.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Quite rightly. So it's just what this is what aquation
keeps telling us, you know, know thy shelf, And you're right,
You're absolutely right. If our young people knew who they are,
knew where they can't came from, about their ancestors, not
the ones that got off the ship who made it
through the Middle Passages, but those before we had. We've
got a whole lineage of folks, ancestors who were on

(01:29:13):
the continent, who stayed on the count's still there still
related to us. If I children, our young people knew
that they wouldn't be acting out like what they're doing now,
wilding out. I agree with you totally. Go, I'll let
you finish. Though.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Kids, kids and people in general with pride and self
worth more mindful of their actions for the most part
because they don't because they don't want to tarnish what
they have. If you don't have nothing, for at least
you feel like you don't have nothing, you could I
remember one time. I remember I came home. I was

(01:29:49):
walk through my whole thing with the VA trying to
get my VA conversation. I was on the verge of
getting evicted out of my house, and I'm saying I'm
sorry of saying I'm broke, I'm broke, I'm broke, whatnot?
And then and the VA says, mister Bailey, you need
to go and check your account. I don't look at
my account. There was seventy five thousand dollars that been
in my account for overall week. And I was around

(01:30:09):
saying I was broke. You don't you have The research
has to be done. People. People have to know who
they are because you could be a million dollar baby
and wait, we're here, say we're here to say feeling
like that you that you are a ten cent shop.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
That is so true. Yeah, it's part of the law
of attraction too. You've got to believe it first. But
that that that and uh you know and that that's
that's a bridge that we all have to cross, though
some of us have to cross. But Terrence on once again, man,
I just thank you, thank you for staying longer than
you're you're intended with, because you left us with a
lot of information this morning, especially the fact that uh,

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Frederick Douglass is Nigerian and today's niger is Independence day
somehow and all of that lined up to pass on
this information to our to our people that uh today's
the independence state for night year and today and Frederick
Jalis a night yere and so somehow the answers is
are working with us this morning. Thank you for sharing
that with us.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Terrence, Yeah, no problem. I mean I would say it's
no surprise to find out that they're say that he
was Na Durian looking at conducted ourselves and Nigerians are
bold people.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
That too.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Thank you again and keep people and listen, keep us
in the loop. Man, let us know what's going on
with those two projects. If you know, when it gets
close to the closing, if you still need some help
pushing it. We still have to make an appeal, get
our people to write a check and send you somebody
so we could keep it in the family. Let us
know we appreciate what you're doing, keeping the legacy of

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Frederick dougast alive and also promoting Frederick Douglas because if
we don't do it, nobody else will. They're trying to
eliminate this our history as we as you know, we
all of us know that. So at some point we've
got to put it, put our flag in the on
the hill and say no, this is where it stops.
We're gonna do it because nobody's just going to do
it for us, and that is that's the answer to that,
straight up exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
And our mail and address too, I'm sorry, is a
PO box two sixty six Newcomb. That's N. E. W. Comb,
Maryland two one six pot three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
All right, thanks Terrence, thank you for sharing that information
with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
All right, that's Terrence Douglas's a director senator of Frederick.
She had a lot of information with us this morning.
We've come up with us a step aside for a
few months. We come back and get Kevin grisonn update
on this this government shutdown, and we'll talk to the
faith brothers as well. Eight hundred and four to five
zero seventy eight seventy six Speak to the Faith brothers
your phone calls after this traffic and weather update that's next,
and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on

(01:32:44):
this first day of October twenty twenty five. I guess
then coming up now is past the current manning at
the Southern Californy Pastor Manning Grand Rising, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 7 (01:32:55):
Hello, Hello, brother Curl, Hello to all of our friends
and listeners. Is so good to be with you today.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Yeah, as I've always, I got to get an update
on the situation, and because it seems like it was
years ago, but it was January when those fires, those
killer fires went through your neighborhood there. What is the lady,
So are you back home yet or the homes of
being rebuilt? What's going on there?

Speaker 7 (01:33:18):
Yes, there's a few different scenarios. So thank you for asking,
and thank you to all of your listeners for continuing
to keep us in your thoughts and your prayers. As
you know, once a news story shift, sometimes things people
just leave in and it leads you still in this
middle passage and that's where we are. But we're so

(01:33:38):
thankful because there's some people who are starting to have
conversations with contractors and architects and some of us on
the other side, pastors and some organizations and churches are
trying to bridge the gap with our county supervisors to
help make sure that the legacy homes, you know, the

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African American homes that were lost in Outa Dinah, many
of them, their insurance policies were outdated and antiquated and
wouldn't cover today's prices to build a home. So we're
trying to bridge that gap and trying to find resources
and even change some laws and some prerequises so that

(01:34:20):
they can rebuild. My wife and I are back in
our home. Thankfully we were able to get the remediation done. Finally.
Our insurance didn't pay for it, but you know, I
believe we're God guides, He provides, so we are back
and we're thankful. I mean, we're thankful just to have
a home base and to being a home, shelter roof

(01:34:41):
over ahead. I am excited to announce that of the
nineteen families in our church that lost everything, we've already
done one groundbreaking with a family, and I've got two
schedules for tomorrow. So that's a blessing just to break
some ground and to just say, hey, we're on our way.

(01:35:04):
There's there's an amazing African American developer and contract female woman,
a woman who's just really come in and making a
difference with several of our families in our community. And
we're supporting her as she supports our people. So a lot,
a lot of moving pieces. Still a lot of frustration

(01:35:25):
as well. I mean, on the other hand, we've got
people still in airbnds, still displaced out with their families
and you know, hundreds of miles away trying to get
back closer so they can deal with all of these things.
So it's just a marathon and not a sprint. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Let me just sure, you know, tell a family that
what happened out there in southern California, the Altadena Pasadenia
area in La County. Those fires, those WI files took
out a lot of homes, legacy homes, and some of
them in the homes been in members of our families
out there for generations, and they're destroyed, just flat and
just just rubble left them with rubble, and now they're
in the rebuilding processes. And past the current Mannings church

(01:36:06):
was sort of the epicenter. When I was there, you
guys were you know, took care of people continuously. Every day.
There were long lines people coming for food, come take showers,
get their clothes, wise, just about everything you could think of,
because because family, they lost everything. When I say they
lost everything, that's what I mean. Many of them just
got out with the clothes on their backs. So past
the current Mannings A church was doing that. Are you

(01:36:27):
guys still doing that or or if you're just the.

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
Days I was going to say, yeah, we are still
doing distribution every Saturday. We've pivoted to Saturdays only. Our
resources are limited, but we we again are going to
continue to serve as long as we possibly can. Every
Saturday is from eleven, Every Saturday from eleven to three
out here in Passadna cer Madre Villa four twenty five.

(01:36:53):
And you know, I've just been thinking about the people
have been asked how long are you going to do this?
We're still doing basic necessity. We still hand out water
and food when we get it, and laundry, kids, toilet
hygiene things like that, and the line is growing. I mean,
were averaging over three hundred cars every Saturday that we serve.

(01:37:15):
And someone said, how pastor how long are you going
to do this? And my answer is until And I
you know, when I was right in the middle of it,
brother Carl, I was thinking about all of our brothers
and sisters and mothers and fathers who had to withstand
the racism and all of the attacks and all of
the things that tried to keep our people down, in

(01:37:38):
particular the bus boycott that was one of the significant
markers in our civil rights history. And I know that
that bus boycott, Montgomery bus boycott was extended over a year,
over three hundreds and eighty plus days. So when people
ask how long we've only been in it, about eight months,
how long are we going to do it? My answer
is until until all of our family these are settled,

(01:38:00):
until our residents are restored and people are able to
get back into their homes and have the resources they
need to not only survive, but to thrive. And the
Lord willing, we're going to be right there all along
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Yeah, eight after the top of that and past the
curring man and fifty percent of the faith brothers past
the current man. What's going on today?

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
The situation in this country's got a lot of people
in flux. People don't know what to do. They're searching
and looking for answers. You know, right now, if the
government has shut down, We've got a lot of people
in our neck of the woods who you know, are
government workers. They unemployed. They don't know what the future
is because Donald Trump is threatening to threatening to eliminate
some of their jobs. Help us out here, how do
you what are you doing these uncertain times? You know,

(01:38:46):
not everybody's a person of faith like yourself. So you know,
if you're thinking, well, God's gonna take care of the
don't worry about it. God's gonna take care of but
not everybody believes that. So from a man of faith, though,
what do you say to those folks who like, I
got a mortgage to pay, I got a car, not
I don't have any money. I got to eat, they
got the you know, these difficult times, how do you

(01:39:09):
deal with people when they come to you with these
sort of questions? Past them?

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:39:14):
Well, many many times I've found that, like the Bible says,
David had to encourage himself in the Lord as well.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
So I have to.

Speaker 7 (01:39:23):
I am constantly in a state of seeking encouragement and
guidance from the scriptures. That's what I trust and believe
the word of God. But I've also lived. I don't
know we've ever talked about this, but my early days
of ministry I spent three almost four years in Maryland
are the DMV Columbia, Maryland. Back then it was Long

(01:39:46):
Reach Church of God. Now it's Celebration Church Columbia. Bishop
Robbie Davis a differend of mine. I served there in
that church and that ministry, and it was full of
members who were government employees, like you're saying. And now
these things that have happened over the years, and it
just creates so much uncertainty in people's world, especially those

(01:40:09):
who are on the front lines. And it breaks my
heart that that every time we come to something like this,
that every you know, the grandstanding and the posturing, that
it's like you're playing with people's lives, You're playing with
people's livelihood. So so I do believe that that faith
is one of those things. Faith in God's faithfulness is

(01:40:33):
what can carry us and help us through these these
different this difficult passage. So I encourage people to hold on.
You know, the the blessing of getting older is that,
you know, Solomon said, there's nothing new under the sun.
These things come around, and it's not just well it'll
it'll come and it'll go. I'm not trying to minimize

(01:40:56):
or dismiss, but but you know, when we when when
the winds come, when the storms come, the flood comes,
the water and even the fires. We've got to be
steadfast and immovable, as the scripture says, We've got to
hold on until our change comes, until things come, and
we can also pray and and and help others. There's

(01:41:18):
always someone worse off than you, my mother would say,
so I often always also find ways to help someone
who's struggling, even with the minimal resources that I may have,
and it always brightens my day and helps me to
just encourage one another that it's not going to last
always and and allow God's peace to keep you in

(01:41:44):
the times of storm.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Yeah, and the Bible saying that ten after you know,
this too shall pass. But what how do you deal
with it though? Past the current? When you're going through
the storm, you know, you know, it's gonna end, It's
not gonna be forever. But when when you're going the
start creeping into your mind, why is it happening to me?
And honestarly, Sally, you know what's going on today with

(01:42:06):
the government shutdown, but any kind of issue that you have,
and all of a sudden you caught up in the
st and you're trying to figure out when is it
going to end? And it seems like it's just relentless.
What do you say to people who are doing that
right now, having those issues?

Speaker 7 (01:42:20):
Yeah, that's a great question. And this is this is
one of the reasons I really enjoy your programming, is
because you are the voice of the people. And many times,
as we know, when when one person has a question,
that means there's a whole lot of other people who
either have the same question or similar who would love
to ask it as well.

Speaker 15 (01:42:40):
What do you do?

Speaker 7 (01:42:41):
How do you how do you deal with storms? Well,
one of the one of the things I do is
I always search the scriptures, first of all, for some
context that will help me in what I'm going through.
And of course my life hasn't been without tears, and
without I had a sister in my church, sister Peggy Williams,

(01:43:03):
Bless her heart, she's still with us. Her husband, brother Alex,
just passed away, and I had the privilege of eulogizing
him and just being walking with the family. But Sister
Peggy came to early morning prayer one morning at six
am we would have and she said, Pastor, you know,
I just heard the Lord say to me, when you
when you're going through hell. She she didn't say a storm,
but she said hell, which which they're very similar, right,

(01:43:26):
She says.

Speaker 9 (01:43:26):
When you're going through, just keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:43:29):
And that thing just bless my heart because it was
it was a revelation that you don't stop, you don't
give up, you don't turn around, you just keep going.
You just stand when when after you've done everything else,
the scripture says, stand. You know, I'm from the Midwest,
and I've lived on the East Coast as well, where
where you know, where you guys are, And I remember

(01:43:52):
the storms, those those those thunderstorms. I say, out here,
you know, we don't even really know what rain looks
like because we get the little drops most of the time.
But I remember those big rain drops that if you're driving,
you know it'll it'll it'll stop you because your wipers
can't go fast enough. Right you remember, remember some of
those storms, and and and sometimes it gets so bad

(01:44:13):
that you just want to stop. Sometimes you may have to.
But but but those experienced drivers also know that if
you can just you have to slow down, you want
to get behind a truck or someone who knows where
they're going. But if you can just keep going, the
sun is going to shine again. You can many times
ride through the storm, but when you're in it, it

(01:44:35):
feels like it'll never change. It'll you know, you feel
like your life is in danger. So I hear what's
happening in people's hearts and lives, and it makes me
even more prayerful. Because these storms come upon you. It's
not you know. We we have radar and all of
these things that help us to predict storms, but when

(01:44:58):
you're in the middle of one, there's nothing nothing like it.
Whether it's it's it's a natural storm or the storms
of life. Neither the old saints knew something those who
wrote it. In our Hymnalty, there was an old song
that a group a group of friends of mine, we
we reimagine and kind of updated, But the original text says,

(01:45:18):
when the storms of life are raging, stand by me,
when the storms of life are raising, stand by me,
when the world is going crazy all around me. The
the request and the prayer is, Lord, stand by me
and help me to stand. So so I look to
the only one who I know who can speak to

(01:45:40):
the winds and the waves. Jesus did it literally and
said peace be still, Peace be still, and he does it.
He does it in our lives as well, by giving
us His peace that cannot be shaken, it can't be comprehended.
And so I just say to people, you know, just
continue to stand, continue to trust God. You know it's

(01:46:03):
sometimes it's not you're not able to do it year
by year, month by month, but day by day and
moment by moment. Is even our prayer that He gives
a strength for each day. If you make it through today,
our prayer be, Lord, give me strength for tomorrow. And
as you pile up those today's and tomorrow's, you find

(01:46:23):
yourself riding, riding the storm out and making it through.
And then you'll find yourself on the other side of
the storm. And then as you know, life comes and
you're you're you're finding yourself in the middle of another storm.
So it's a part of our way of life. But
God has given us everything we need to live for

(01:46:45):
him and to and to endure and make it through.
It's got to trust Him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
And hold on fifteen other tough I got to ask
you this question though, you know, falling the death of
Charlie Kirk and people are saying that now the Maga Conservatives,
the Maga Christian Conservatives, it seems like those things shouldn't
go together. But I want to get your thoughts on that,
because they're making him out to be a modern not
necessarily him himself. I want you to discuss but the movement,

(01:47:13):
this new movement to young people who's saying most of
them are white, almost one hundred percent white, and say
that they're Christians and this is Maga Christianity, and they're
using it politically, and the Republican Party is using that.
There's an armory fundraising and all of that. They use it,
but they're still using it as a crutch. They're saying that, hey,
we are Christians, this is what Christians believing. As a Christian, yourself,

(01:47:35):
as a Christian minister, your thoughts about that when you
see people appropriating the religion and using it for a
political basis. Explain that have that you know, does that
royal you does? Does that upset you or you just
ignore it? Explain that to us. When we get back
from the short break. Family, you two can join our
conversation with Pastor Kurwin Manning. Reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

(01:47:57):
six and ticket phone calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning. It's
a hunt day. That means we're halfway through the work
week with a guest at nineteen minutes off the top
there happens to be past the current manning how to
pass it in the church in California, it's church survive
the wildfires earlier this year in January. We're out there
and saw the work that he's doing, and this morning
we're asking him about this this new rising conservative, white conservative.

(01:48:21):
It is white conservatism that's been politicized now. And this
all start after the death of Charlie kirk and some people,
some people are afraid to even mention his name, Pastor Kirving,
because they feel that they'll be you know, assaulted by
the MAGA group. But they're doing this in the name
of religion and as a religious as a pastor too.
How do you see that?

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Do you do you see that?

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Do you see this perverted?

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
Can you?

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Can you be a Christian and also be a racist?

Speaker 7 (01:48:50):
There's a few questions in there. I'll start. I'll start
with the last one. I think the heart at the
core of racism is a heart that's been corrupted by
racism and racist views and racist teaching and upbringing. I
think it is a learned behavior. I don't think children

(01:49:14):
are born racist. I think when children are exposed to
racist parents and racist views and racist racist society, then
it influences them many times into those patterns that can
can cause the corruption in their lives and in their speech.
That that's one aspect of of what you're saying. And

(01:49:36):
then you've got the You've got the political You've got
the political turmoil that's coming from both sides. I guess
my approach to all of this has been it's causing
me to lean in like never before, not only to
the teachings of Jesus, but following as the scripture tells

(01:49:57):
us to do in his steps, following in his steps.
So so many times I find myself as I'm listening
to the news and reading the stories and hearing, you know,
the vitriol that's coming out of the mouths of you know,
in my case, many many the people that I that

(01:50:17):
I are in community with our believers, and the sides
that my my, my brothers and sisters in Christ have
taken against one another. And I'm always asking the Lord,
what you know, what would what would Jesus do? And

(01:50:39):
how am I supposed to position myself so that I
can model faithfulness to Christ and so that I can
help those who are hurting, those are confused. And many times,
to be honest, brother Crowle, I know on a Sunday
morning that they're both in the room the Sunday after
the shooting death of Charlie Kirk, I knew that the

(01:51:03):
words that that I had to speak had to be
first of all, lace with with love. They had to
be they had to have a foundation that goes beyond
the current news story, and they had to be they
had to be life giving. What are you talking about? Well,
the scripture tells us that it was God's will, that

(01:51:24):
none is God's will for none to perish. So so
the the death and the destruction is not how God
intended man to have to deal with all of the
things that they believe or don't believe. And and also
the other side of that, you know, because the question

(01:51:46):
then could be, well, why does it? Why does God
do something about it? Because you know, people, when trouble
comes like this and things happen, our thoughts, those who
try to to figure it out and and and try
to look for strength from above just wonder, well, why
doesn't God just change it? When when you begin to

(01:52:09):
read the scriptures and to understand how God has ordered
this world and created it. The Bible says the heavens,
even the highest heavens, I believe psalmone, pin fifteen, belongs
to the Lord. But the earth, it says, He's given
to the children of men. And for me, that's always man. Man,
I've got a role to play. I've got a responsibility

(01:52:31):
in cultivating this earth. I've got responsibility in walking in
a way that will will help others find their way.
And I've got a responsibility to every every single individual.
I was getting ready to say that I know that
on any given Sunday in my church, I know because
I'm their pastor. I know people, and I've had to

(01:52:53):
had to talk with people who are on both sides,
and I've had conversations with people who have seen I
haven't had directly in my church where they said it
this way, but I've had some other conversation with friends
around the country who have who have seen President Trump's

(01:53:14):
leadership and seeing the Republican agenda as I'm sent from God,
and I try to listen to them and I try
to hear their perspective, and I've and I've done the
same the other the other way as well. People who
would see these things happening. I mean, when something like

(01:53:34):
death happens, like Charlie Kirk's death, you know, they see
it as you know, paybackers or just you know, because
of his his words and rhetoric and all of that.
And I'm trying to see beyond that because those things
will continue to happen in our in our world and
get worse. Right. But I'm reminded. I was reminded, if

(01:53:57):
you allow me to just share this real quick, I
was going to do, I believe, my fourth funeral in
like three weeks, so it was just like funeral season, right,
and I actually was driving a pretty long distance to
get to this service and it was of.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
A John Doe.

Speaker 7 (01:54:14):
It was one of those. It was a person that
no one claimed at but the cemetery, the mortuary still
had to do this service. I think they might have
found one relative something like that. It's been a long time,
but I'm kind of complaining, like, Lord, come on, can
a brother get a wedding or something? And I'm you know,
I've been doing all of these funerals. And I heard

(01:54:35):
the Lord speak to my heart. It wasn't an audible voice,
it wasn't James Earl Jones voice or cloud didn't come down.
But I'm almost having this kind of internal dialogue with
the Lord. And he says, I go to a funeral
every day, and I'm like, what are you talking about?
And then he brought to my memory so I'm one
sixteen fifteen and says, precious in the side of the

(01:54:56):
Lord is the death of his saints. And many times
Christians have taken that to mean just us, you know,
the sweet the saints and anybody else are the ants.
But one translation says the Lord cares deeply when his
loved ones die, or when his loved ones past or
something like that. And then he spoke to Martin and says,
you know, I created the earth is the Lord's and

(01:55:18):
everything in it, the world and everyone in it. That's
what the psalmon says, right, So God created everybody, and
every human being is God's creation. Is God's precious prize.
Was that the apple of his eye when he created man?
And the Lord was saying to me, I put all
my loved ones to rest daily every day. Whenever someone dies,

(01:55:42):
it says, the Lord cares deeply. So that just kind
of slapped me out of my little funk so that
I can go and be be a blessing and put
this person to rest in a in an honoring way.
But it also helped me to realize, man, this is
in the This is something that not only breaks God's heart,

(01:56:02):
but it breaks God's heart the way that we handle
it and the way that we handle and treat each other.

Speaker 4 (01:56:09):
So you know the odor I get.

Speaker 7 (01:56:11):
Like I was saying earlier, I think the the theology
of our of our mothers and fathers, it didn't have
all the eloquent words and and and and all of
the the access to information, but they would say things
like I will trust in the Lord till I die.
I'm going to stay on the battlefield till I die.

(01:56:31):
You might you might remember hearing the saints sing those
those words, brother Karl, but one of them the next
NIGHTE says, I would. I'm going to treat everybody right
until I died, and and we have to continue to
to I believe with all of my heart that good wins.
But I also believe that that evil also has the

(01:56:53):
propensity to multiply and try it when good men and
women stand by and do nothing. So I think it's
fire that the balance in using our voices, our hearts,
and living our lives in a way that will help
others find the peace and the answers that were really
going to need in our nation.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
You know, I think that, Yeah, I thank you for
sharing that with us, because it shows that you're humans. So,
you know, people seem to think that the pastors, not
just black pastors, pastors or a mechanical in their response
is that you don't have feelings. I know you've done
You've done gang funerals, you've done children baby funerals, and
I know that at some point it touched at your
heart when you see these young young children, or the

(01:57:35):
person that deceased and wondering what their life could have
been have they lived. Do you go through that on
a daily basis when you do these funerals or is
it just you've done so many now it's just automatic.

Speaker 7 (01:57:48):
Yeah, I appreciate the question, because for me, at least,
I can't speak for anyone I've been in. I'm in
my thirty fifth year of full time pastoral men, meaning
I've been a pastor full time for for in my
thirty fifth year. That in twenty four years here in

(01:58:08):
in the Altadena Pasadena area, and I've done I've just
taken account I've I've I've got record as to as
best as I can, of how many weddings I've done.
I just did the wedding of my childhood best friend
who's also on our pastoral staff. Never married before, but
he married at at the age of fifty six. I

(01:58:30):
was able to do his wedding and his dear wife,
and that was my sixty fifth wedding that I've done
in my in my ministry career. It made me think
about how many, how many funerals I've done, and that's
a little more difficult because before I was a pastor.
I was a minister, a minister of music, a singer musician,

(01:58:51):
so I played for even countless funerals, and I do
remember in playing for funerals sometimes I would just head
straight to the piano, right. I would come in and
just do what I've been asked to do without any
connection to the decease. But since I've become a pastor,
that changed my perspective. I always give honor to the deceased,

(01:59:13):
whether I knew them or not, and I always, I
always have prayed Carl that the Lord would give me
a word for that family. So I have been in
scenarios and I know some of my colleagues kind of have,
for lack of a better word, I'm not trying to
be rude or anything, but for lack of a better word,

(01:59:33):
have a canned speech, right like a can sermon. I mean,
of course, we have scriptures of healing that I know.
I've got a list of scriptures that I know. They
they're very comforting in times of loss. But when it
comes to just ministering to the family, I always ask
the Lord to give me a word for them. You

(01:59:54):
mentioned the continuum and the just the you know, the
expansive ministry. Like you know, I think I shared last
time I just did a funeral. Well, the last time
I shared, I had done a funeral of a five
year old, and just more recently, the last funeral I
did a week ago, a week and a half ago,
was a funeral of a one hundred and one year old.

(02:00:15):
There's no way that I can say the same thing
to both of those families. The five year old was
murdered by an ex boyfriend and thrown into a dumpster.
The one hundred and one year old was a was
a pastor, a man of God who lived a long life.
And and his Arthur Fitting, I called him Poppy, Poppy

(02:00:35):
fit pop Fitting just I believe just was ready to
go and just just kind of rested on into glory.
And those are two different scenarreias, and the families have
different struggles and in their part on you know, continuing
to live. So I don't I don't treat them all
the same, and and and it and I always I

(02:00:58):
don't get I don't say nervous, but you know, you know,
I'm very sober minded and always considered and prayerful when
I'm going into those spaces because everyone grieves differently. There's
different scenarios connected to the laws, and you know, and
and it's just the right thing to do is to

(02:01:19):
be there for people when they're going through And it's
one of the most sacred and one of the things
that I really take seriously is when the family allows
me to walk with them through grief.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
And thank you for sharing that with us. The twenty
seven Away from the Top, I got some folks who
want to speak with you, Pastor Curwin Manning, and you
want to join the discussion. Hit us up at eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. Brother causes
in Waldorf, Marylton, he's got a question for Ease online. Two.
Grand Rising brother calls Pastor Curry grand.

Speaker 9 (02:01:52):
Rising, My dear brother, Pastor, I appreciate your point of view.
I have a little bit different take on this. You
will bear with me, uh sure, because because I feel
that we have to be honest. Uh there's a pastor
in the Bible that says, beware of those who say
they are Jews and they are not of the Synagogue Satan.

(02:02:16):
Can we not also say that there are certain Christians
and evangelical white Christians who are others also of the
synagogues of the Devil or the in the sanctuaries of
the Devil. And I say this, my dear brother, because
there has is a deep division between the Black Prophetic

(02:02:39):
Church and the white Evangelical Church. And there have been
many of our black ministers who have spoken out to
this issue and so forth. So I say we got
to face the truth, Pastor that many of the evangelical
churches follow what they call it is Christian, don't and

(02:03:00):
it is a warlike, is a warlike, is a warlike
type of impromoter and so forth, and it does not
speak to the true meaning of Christianity that we know
in our Black community. And until we face this, I
think we're going to be in deep, deep trouble, my
dear brother. So I'm sorry for the explanation, but the

(02:03:23):
uh that's my feeling, and I would like to have
you a particular uh you know, comments on that. Thank you, sir.

Speaker 7 (02:03:33):
Yeah, I appreciate the way you've laid that out. And
the truth is a lot of a lot of what
you're saying. I don't I don't, I wouldn't say that
I disagree with I do think we we have to.
We do have to speak the truth. We do have
to address the things that are happening in our world

(02:03:54):
and the people that aren't properly aligning themselves with scripture
and using it, you know, in the wrong way to
uphold what they believe were what they want to believe.
My approach simply is I'm always reminded one Corinthian sixteen.
I talked about being on the staff there in Columbia, Maryland,

(02:04:16):
but we had to memorize it our men's group.

Speaker 4 (02:04:19):
We will say, men.

Speaker 7 (02:04:20):
First Grinton sixteen, thirteen and fourteen, be on your guard,
stand firm in the faith, be courageous, be strong. But
then it says do everything in love. So I just
say the challenges finding out even with all of this
vitriol and all of the hate, all of the posturing,

(02:04:40):
all of the the manipulating of scripture and belief systems,
to kind of get to something that people getting the
where they champion and they stand on as if you know,
it's it's right, and that's all around us, you know.
I just believe it's my responsibility to posture myself in

(02:05:03):
a way that I can love everybody and help everybody
get to the truth. You got one way you gotta do.
You got to live it. Then you do have to
speak the truth. So one thing people I have to
tell people, because I'm a glass half full type of person.
You can probably tell from my time on this show

(02:05:24):
with Brother Carl. You know I'm gonna look at it
glass every time. I'm gonna see it half full, not
half empty. But the other thing about me that I
have to let people know when I'm letting them in
on me personally and intimately, is that I'm also a realist,
meaning that I, you know, although I am believing and
hoping and trusting, and I am standing on the word

(02:05:44):
of God, also a realist. I also see what's happening.
I see how it's dividing the church. I see how
it's corrupting our world. And I speak to those things
as well, and those of you who, if you follow
follow me online or our church services.

Speaker 4 (02:05:59):
I s pick to all of these.

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
Things right and hold I thought right there past that
we're gonta step aside for a few moments. How did
you finish your thought? When you come back? And when
you come back, also tell us do you discuss these
issues from the pulpit on Sundays. Is this what your
people in your congregation want to hear. Do they want
to hear about racial issues or do they want to
just want to use the biblical teachings. I'll let you
expound to that. And Brother Mohammad in DC has a

(02:06:22):
question for you as well. Family, you two can join
our discussion. Reach out to us. It's eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks
are sticking with us on this first day of October.
It's a hump day, halfway through the work. We with
our guests past the current manning Pastor mannings fifty percent
of the faith brothers this morning and we're discussing, discussing,
you know, situations that's going on now, because this is

(02:06:44):
what it's all about, really and this is where the
church comes in. You know, how do you deal with
the situations that you're facing And this is what we're
facing right now. These are the questions that Pastor man
is responding to. And one of the questions I asked
him about race, but we'll get to that in the moment.
Let me just remind you come up Later this morning,
we speak with professor from Public Enemy. He was their
minister of Information. He's going to explain to us how

(02:07:04):
black music is being weaponized against the black community. Tomorrow,
clinical psychotgist doctor Jeromy Fox will be here. You know
him from his best selling book Addicted to White, The
Oppressed in League or The Oppressor Shame Based Alliance. Also
scientists and medical doctor Keith Crawford, Will Jonas, and doctor
Henry Johnson, one of OJA his closest friends. He was
with oj before the trial, right through the trial he

(02:07:25):
said Ojay didn't do it, and were come up on
the thirtieth anniversary of that jury decision that was heard
around the world. He's going to discuss a bit OJ.
So if you're in Baltimore, make sure radio's louting real
tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the
DMV family, were rolling on FM ninety five point nine
at am fourteen fifty w L all right past the current.
I'll let you finish your responding those questions you asked

(02:07:46):
you about your congregation, just your congregation. What's their appetite for?
They do? They want to know how to deal with?
What's the problems they're facing today. Do they want to
hear the race issues or do they just want a
biblical scripture.

Speaker 7 (02:08:05):
Combination of everything. I am of the opinion that many
times the church and I'm speaking about the representations, the
representatives of the church leaders and just you know, the
whole concept of church is you know, it's it's something
different these days, right. The Bible talks about it in

(02:08:27):
the last as. People will pursue, you know, they'll seek
what their itching ears want to hear. So you know,
people you know, are almost you know, choosing church like
they would a podcast. They're talking what I want to hear.
But yet there's an obligation that I feel a strong
obligation to speak the truth and stand on the side

(02:08:49):
of truth, regardless of what's popular and regardless of what
people are demanding they want to hear. It's interesting. In
Second Corinthians, chapter two, Paul goes into this thing about
our lives being a fragrance of a fragrance, right, our lives.
You know, people say you've got an energy or just

(02:09:11):
certain types of things. But one of the ways the
Bible describes is our lives as a fragrance, and that
fragrance should be one of Christ. So when people when
people encounter us, you know there was a dear sister. Again,
I talked about early morning prayer. Maybe this is helping somebody.
Sister Karen was her name. She went on to be

(02:09:31):
with the Lord. But at six am she would come
and when she was getting close to the door, we
would know it was sister Karen because she had this
perfume and it was strong, and it was on her
and I would hug her. But I knew when I
hugged her, you know that that perfume was gonna be
on me. And after six a m. Prayer, I get
back to the house and I know, Madeline, my wife,

(02:09:51):
would say, oh you, sister Karen was that prayer? I
say yeah, because her fragrance got on you. And I
kind of see that imagery as when when people encounter us,
has the fragrance of Christ been so strong in us
and on us that that encounter penetrates their their their

(02:10:11):
world and gets on them so that that there is
a sense that I've been with somebody who's who's been
with Christ, someone who's clothed with Christ, and that fragrance
is right. But the Bibles, some people say, you know,
that's too stronger hated. He says to some that fragrance
people enjoy, but others it makes them sick because their

(02:10:34):
hearts may not be in the right place, or they're
they're far from God. But we still have an obligation
to speak the truth. I do that on a regular basis.
I also listen to where my people are so that
I can relate to them and relate the scriptures to
where there actually are in their lives. This season has

(02:10:54):
been beauty will rise out of the ashes right. This
season has been We're going to get through this together.
This entire year we've been doing this work of reassurance
to our community that's been devastated and and now the
restoration work and eventually the rebuilding work. But other another
season it's been talking about, you know, the different challenges

(02:11:19):
that we have in our world, in our society, what
people are going through. Uh. And I think the church
is poised and positioned to speak to everything, to people
and and then to see the results. Paul said it
this way, I've become all things to all men, so
that by any means, Brother Malcolm didn't didn't pin that first,
By any means, I can win some so I think

(02:11:42):
our message has to be sincere. We have to walk
the talk, and then we have to have hope that
that through the scriptures and through through a godly life
and and the words that He gives us, we can
help other people make it in life.

Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
All right, from the top, Brother Mohammed, backing in from
DC's on line three of Islama Lake, and my brother
had Pastor crodin.

Speaker 8 (02:12:04):
Well, ACoM salam. Have you ever Pastor and Carl, have
you ever read the book Uncle Tom's Cabin that came
out in eighteen fifty two by Harriet B.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
Stowe a long time ago.

Speaker 7 (02:12:20):
I'm familiar with it. I can't say if I read
him or cover to cover.

Speaker 4 (02:12:24):
Well.

Speaker 8 (02:12:24):
The reason I bring it up is because I called
in because you mentioned Christianity and how the right wing
might be trying to weaponize her. That's the reason I
called in. And I just want to make four points
and then I'll get off and listen Uncle Tom in
the book. That book outsold the Bible in America, and
that book outsold the Bible in Europe. And eighteen fifty

(02:12:49):
two was what nine years before the Civil War, And
Abraham Lincoln said that Harriot said that Harriet be Stow that, oh,
you're the reason why we're having this war. He basically
blamed the war on her in her book Uncle Tom's Captain,
because Uncle Tom was a devout Christian and nobody could

(02:13:09):
break him off of his Christianity, and he always rolls
in leadership on the plantations that he was on because
of his principles and his Christianity. And so the white
Christians of the North who read this book, they said, oh,
we got to go free our black Christian brothers because
they didn't believe in the slavery you know of the

(02:13:31):
South and the Jewish supremacists that owned the slave trade,
the trading box, auction blocks and all that kind of stuff.
But I said that to say, you know, a friend
of mine sends me down to his condo in Ocean City,
and he lives in Delaware about twenty minutes away, and
we go to church on Sunday mornings. You know, I'm

(02:13:54):
in the next of Islam, but I will go to church,
and you know, I go into I'm the only black
person in his church. And it's right by Cornfield and
most of us would drive right by thinking it was
the KKK meeting. There you know what I mean, But
I go in there. These people treat me wonderfully, and
I've never heard teaching straight out the Bible like I
hear from Pastor Brian. The church is called the River Church,

(02:14:16):
and I go.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
In there skeptical.

Speaker 8 (02:14:17):
I'm like, Okay, let me see what kind of you
know stuff is going to be preached today. But the
one thing I wanted to mention is we need to
encourage this quote unquote devotion back to Christ amongst our
white citizenship in America because eventually, if they're following Jesus,

(02:14:38):
they're going to figure out who the enemy is.

Speaker 4 (02:14:41):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:14:41):
Prophet Muhammad said that the Christian is our closest in
faith as Muslims.

Speaker 4 (02:14:46):
In the Bible.

Speaker 8 (02:14:46):
The Quran tells us to read the Gospel and the Torah.

Speaker 6 (02:14:51):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (02:14:51):
And the last thing I wanted to say is people
are dissatisfied with the devil's rules. So it is time
and for the people of faith and especially the teachings
of Jesus to get out and we need to start
recruiting it. We need to go to some of these
white churches as black people and and and fellowship with

(02:15:14):
the white sincere Christians because there are sincere white Christians,
some of them, like I said, participated in the Civil War.
Because of the book Uncle Tom's Cabin, I suggest you
read it. And the last thing I want to say is, Carl,
the media wants to foster divisions, so they're only going
to talk about the Christians that are KKK Christians because

(02:15:35):
they want us to be divided and hate each other
and kill each other so they can make money and
rule the country through through a stalemate of divisions. You know,
So you can't really listen to the media and the
podcast and all of that.

Speaker 3 (02:15:50):
You have to actually go.

Speaker 8 (02:15:51):
Yourself and see how these white folks are teaching Christianity
in their churches.

Speaker 4 (02:15:58):
And you know that that's what I was just, you know,
go go to a different church.

Speaker 1 (02:16:03):
Right, Okay, let's raise the clock. I want to give
him a chance to respond because you, yes.

Speaker 7 (02:16:12):
Thank you, Brother Muhammad for for sharing that. I think
you might you might want to check Uncle Tom's Cabin
did did not outsell the Bible. So so that I
just that's that. I just wouldn't agree with that comment
that was stated as a fact. But but you you

(02:16:33):
did say a lot of things that I think really
deserve us really considering being mindful of encouraging people's devotion
back to Christ. I think that's important. I think we've
got to be, as you said, dissatisfied with the devil's rule.
And those of us who are people of paid we

(02:16:54):
we see it, and I think, what's scary. What's scary
that we're seeing. We see it in the church more
than we it seems to be. I mean, we know
what we get with the world in that context of
the world system and things like that. But when the
church is so divided, when the church is silent on
things that it just speak to, when the church is

(02:17:14):
coming across as confusing, when the church is divided. I mean,
you went to a church and heard a message that
encourage you and that that you know, you said, Hey,
I want to come back to this river church even
though I'm not totally in agreement this pastor is. You know,
he's speaking the truth. It reminds me and I'm not,

(02:17:36):
you know, no comparison to an atheist, but it's a
story about an atheist that used to come to a
to a black church and and every Sunday that atheists
would sit back there and listen to the pastor and
he was the town atheist. Everybody knew he didn't believe.
And one day, on the way out, as they would
always do, as a pastor was shaking his hand, and
and and the pastor says, you know, I've been noticing

(02:17:59):
you've been here, coming regularly and and listening to to
me speak, and and and and I know you're an atheist,
and you know you know what what's that about? And
he says, well, you know, Pastor, to be honest with you,
I don't believe anything you're saying. But it's so exciting
to watch it because you really believe in it, and
you really you really projected as if you believe in

(02:18:19):
And they had a little laugh. But there's some truth
in there, even the way that we share the love
and the story of Christ. But I would also like
to expand that that thought beyond because many times and
I know the purpose of this program and and our
primary audience, but but I even also take time to

(02:18:40):
remind our church, which is not just a black church.
When you talk about demographics, it's predominantly black, but we
have we have Asian members, we have white members, we
have Hispanic members who are part of our church family,
part of the family of God, and I'm honored to
be called their pastor as well. But this whole thing

(02:19:02):
of sin and corruption is not just the black and
white American experience. One of the things I mentioned in
the midst of one of these things, I don't know
if it was Ukraine or Gaza, or even the outrage
in America. I made a statement because I had just

(02:19:23):
been been studying and watching the genocide in Ruanda, and
when I mentioned it, I saw the perplex and the
confused look on our people's face, which let me know,
these folks ain't been thinking about Ruanda. But the world
is bigger than the United States of America America, and
the issues and challenges and the corruption that sin brings

(02:19:48):
extends beyond are our traditional arguments of black and white. Yeah,
that's that's at the crux of our American experience. But
a part of what I love about this this program
is that it connects us beyond America. It's it connects
us beyond what many of us only know. I mean,

(02:20:09):
I feel it breaks my heart that our young people
only know and believe that our origins began with slavery,
and no one is helping them to understand that we've
got to go back across the pond, as they say,
to to establish our our not only our ancestry, but
to reconnect our history. So it's it's you know, it's

(02:20:30):
a lot to be done, and I just said a
lot in that in that space, but it just you know,
I'm all. I'm also cognizant of the greater world, and
just like we need to have interactions here, I think
one of the best things we can do for each
other and for our people is to go go back
to Africa and reconnect with the motherland and those people

(02:20:51):
that are our people from the beginning, and it'll change
you forever, Brother Karl. One of the things that intrigued
me about you is is in your bio when I
would read your bio before I even knew you, is
that you were there speaking and journaling during the partheid
era and when Mandela was released. And you know, South

(02:21:12):
Africa is my happy place. I go every year and
I love it there and I've learned so much about
how we deal with our struggle here by seeing firsthand
the struggles there and learning from that.

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
I thank you for sharing that with us. Listen, we're
up against the clock and John, and Maryland has a
question for you. That's step aside for a few moments.
I'll let John post's question and then Professor Griffiths on
decis next up. Family, you two can get into our
conversations this morning. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six on the ticket
phone calls next Aaron grand Rising family. Thanks for sticking

(02:21:48):
wither so on this first day of October twenty twenty five.
I guess there's Past the Current manning for fifty percent
of the face brothers. Professor griff Is on Decie's going
to explain to us how black music is being weaponized
as a black community. So stand by for Professor gooffer
come up next. So, but John has been holding for
a minute for he has a question for Pastor Current.
He's calling for Maryland. He's online too, John. Can you

(02:22:09):
make it quick for us?

Speaker 6 (02:22:12):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (02:22:15):
Yeah? First of all, I want to say without no
confusion that the creator Aravat killed Charlie Kirk. That's number one,
the giver of life and death. And I'm going to
ask you, Pastor, when are you going to stop deceiving

(02:22:35):
the people and teach on the Book of Enoch, the
Ten Heavens, and the God Aravat.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
That's it, all right, Thanks John, Thank you for the call.

Speaker 4 (02:22:47):
John.

Speaker 7 (02:22:49):
I'm not familiar with that guy that you're speaking of.
I understand my assignment, and that's to preach the Gospel,
to be consistent with the preaching of the guys of
Jesus Christ in season and out of season. I believe,
according to the scripture itself, that the Gospel is still

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the and will always be the power of God unto salvation.
So my prayer is for you and for others who
may who may not be in that space. But I
love you, my brother, and I pray that the Lord
touches your heart and that you would come into alignment
of the truth as well.

Speaker 1 (02:23:28):
All right, passive curring, because you're still helping other folks
who are affected by the wifis in January. I know
you need help. The church can't write a check giving out,
giving out dinners and necessities that our people need out
there in Pasadena. How can folks reach if they want
to help you and donate to your cause.

Speaker 7 (02:23:46):
Yeah, our website is Pasadena Church dot com. When you
pull up that homepage, Pasadena Church dot com. There's still
a tab on there. I believe this says eating fire relief.
Anything you give through that portal will go towards helping
us serve our community every week, and that that that
need is is very urgent. But again, as I said,

(02:24:09):
we're God guys. He provides, so we're really thankful. And
you can reach me at Pastor Kerwin K E. R
W I N at Pasadena Church dot com as well
if you've got a question, or you can email me
and connect with me there.

Speaker 1 (02:24:22):
All right, thank you, Pastor curry Man, and thank you
for the work you do and thank you for looking
at for our folks out there in Pasadena and in
southern California.

Speaker 7 (02:24:30):
You're welcomes my honor and privileged brother Carl. God bless
you and blessed blessings to your listeners.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
All right, that's past the current man from Pasadena Church.
There were the ground zero for the wild fires out
there in California and his church when I went out
there and every day there, you know, people have had
no place to take showers. They had that set up,
people backing everything you could think of it because they
lost everything. And that church that was supplying them with
all the necessities that could need food. The cook people

(02:24:57):
of a cooking food and giving away free food. And
he says, the still doing it because a lot of
people still impacted from those those wildfires out there in Altadena,
Pasadena Air southern California. For after the top of Dana,
let's bring in Professor Griff from Public Enemy. He's the
Minister of Information, Grant Rising, Professor Griff, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 11 (02:25:15):
Yes, greetings, grand Rising Colin Wilson. How you doing, sir.

Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
I'm still learning, man, I'm still learning. Brother. It's amazing
you and me both. Yes, help us out here, Professor Griff,
because you're saying that our music is being weaponized against
us as a community.

Speaker 11 (02:25:32):
How so well in the traditional sense that we've talked
about in the past, and reference to other people controlling
our culture from the outside in and laying out these
destructive subject matters and actually you know, paying these the
up and coming artists to do so and rewarding them

(02:25:54):
for it. But this situation today presents a whole new
psychological issue. We're talking about the Maga rapper dropping a
track glorifying lynching. So the song it made its way
it rounds around social media and a lot of people
kind of gave it pushback. When you've got two MAGA

(02:26:15):
affiliate affiliated rappers who released a lynching anthem that has
garnished intense to push back from the black community, and
this is very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (02:26:28):
I'm the second profession I'm trying to digest. We have
people who look like us who highlighting lynching and making
a song and celebrating it.

Speaker 11 (02:26:36):
No, these are actually two white boys. Oh okay, MAGA Yeah,
And basically they put a song out and the song
is called Good and Evil, not well good versus Evil,
describing one of the most hineous acts against the black community.
Song As it made its rounds, black people kind of

(02:26:57):
push back and even some white people kind of push
back and said, this is the wrong time for this
kind of song to be put out. I say, there's
no time for that song to be put out. But
they were responding to what was going on with Captain
Well Charlie Kirk So Co rappers talked about hanging someone
from a rope from a tree, quite vividly making light
of the horrific act of that sort to dehumanize victims,

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and some of the lyrics is just basically clear as
day call. We need a big tall tree and a
short piece of rope, take them high at sun at sundown.
The detailed lyrics it says, leave them swinging, Leave them
swinging so the folks can know and don't mess around
in our town. And this is a direct message to

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black people. Before, during, and shortly after that. To sum
this up, black men were found lynched on college campuses
and in row areas throughout throughout the country.

Speaker 1 (02:27:55):
Yeah, let me hope you again and ask you this
was this before the tray read came in Mississippi.

Speaker 11 (02:28:02):
No, this was this was after the tray read. But
since then, since then, there has been two other mentionings.

Speaker 4 (02:28:12):
Yeah, oh wow, so then what so?

Speaker 11 (02:28:15):
So the thing is what would cause uh, two artists
like this who claimed that they have the freedom of
speech to use rap music as their base to launch
this kind of negative energy towards and about black people.
You see, when we start talking about black music as

(02:28:35):
being weaponized against us, this is a prime example of
what we're of. What we're talking about. It's a deep
rooted psychological issue.

Speaker 5 (02:28:44):
To be honest with you, Well, let.

Speaker 1 (02:28:46):
Me let's get this question and after the time, just
fascinating information and pat that Professor Grish is laying on us.
If if we listen to that song, can we tell
that white boys singing it? Or can coud you tell
that that they're not brothers?

Speaker 11 (02:29:00):
You probably would have to watch the video to see
if they're they're actually uh, they're actually white as far,
especially when the guy starts to rap. The guy singing,
he has a country kind of twang, like he's from
Tennessee somewhere. But yeah, it's the fact that they're using
some uh low based tones eight o eight heavy kicks
and snares, something that the average black rapper would would use,

(02:29:25):
if you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:29:26):
Yeah, hopefully then of our brothers helped produce that. You know,
do you know?

Speaker 11 (02:29:32):
Do you know in the background?

Speaker 1 (02:29:34):
Okay, yeah, wow.

Speaker 11 (02:29:36):
When but when you start studying the psychopathic racist personality,
you get into these kind of characters that are well
defined by the doctor Bobby E. Wright and this and
and even doctor Francis Cross Wilson, even uh in Wali
Muka Bomanti Baruti when we talked about mental side. But
it's it's it's it's it's playing in reverse this time.

(02:29:57):
But they're using our music to talk about unliving us.
And then when we hear it, we're like, oh, that's
a catchy beat, that's cool, that's like that. But then
when you when you stop and you don't analyze the lyrics,
it becomes an issue, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:30:15):
That begs the question here is, because you're an entertainer,
you're a musician, how many people really understand go for
the lyrics. How many people they just they just hear
the beat. If they're driving, you see them bobbing their heads,
patting their feet. They really care about the lyrics. Because
I've talked to youngsters too about the about the profanity
in rap music. They say they don't hear it. To
my son playing the songs, oh no, we're not listening

(02:30:37):
to that with that profanity, and you and I are
not going to sit up and listen to that. And
he says, I don't hear it, you know, the mfs
and all. It's just they oblivious to that. So I'm
just wondering this, this this this rap song about Lynch,
and how many of our people who hear it really
understand what it's all about and they just dig.

Speaker 11 (02:30:55):
In the beat and what you just described is exactly
what I've been talking about for a long long time.
The lyrics, uh deposit themselves in the psyche, the subconscious,
so you tend to act these things out without you
even knowing. They don't hear it. They're right, because it's
on a subconscious level. They don't hear it, but you

(02:31:19):
feel it, and it embeds them.

Speaker 1 (02:31:22):
Well, and what does that do to your psyche though, Professor.

Speaker 11 (02:31:24):
Griff cognitive dissidence? It confuses you. You're dancing to your
own destruction. And by the time you realize that, it's
too late, because you know you're there and you're already
in the midst of it. You're already acting these things
out and you're not even know you don't even know
where it's coming from. Well, it's coming from the thing

(02:31:45):
that's been embedded into your psyche.

Speaker 1 (02:31:50):
Oh wow, And that's that's destructive because it's it's residing
in a place where you know, you don't know it's there,
but it is there, and all of a sudden, you're
making decisions and doing things coming from that spot and
you don't know it's coming from that spot. So how
do we reach folks to get them to understand that grip.

Speaker 11 (02:32:07):
Well, when you say make decisions, that's that's that's true,
But it's far from the truth simply because you are
not in controlling the decisions that you're making. The decisions
are being made for you as long as you lend
your energy in your spirit and you let your your
your your mental factor faculties down, you let your your

(02:32:29):
analytical faculties down. Yeah, you're controlled at that particular point
you have you have no more control.

Speaker 1 (02:32:36):
Yeah, but you don't know you have no control. You
still think that you're you're right, that you're making those decisions.
I know that you're basically being hypnotized if you will exactly.

Speaker 11 (02:32:46):
This is why you could say to an adult, I
don't hear it. I don't hear the curse words. I
don't hear them talking about lynching. I can't make a
connection because I've disconnected from my history in my past
and who I am, so I can't make the connection.
But it's dope. I like the beat, and you're not
in your head, and you're getting brainwashed the more and
more you listen, because now repetition is the mother of learning,

(02:33:10):
and now you're passing the song on, you're sharing it
with your friends, it's on repeat, and even when you
turn it off, it's still on repeat in the psyche.

Speaker 1 (02:33:24):
Does this have something to do with the different beats?
You know, because I understand there's a different beat at
a different level attracts negativity, and there's another beat that's
the artists like you self can use it attracts harmony
and peace. Is this what this is all about?

Speaker 4 (02:33:38):
It?

Speaker 1 (02:33:39):
Is this something totally different?

Speaker 11 (02:33:41):
I think when we don't have that conversation in the
right environment with those individuals that need to hear that conversation.
Call I heard it. One person say, well, Griff, when
you talk about the frequency and the vibration and the
spirit inside of the music and the spells that they
put in the music, that's something I can't understand, Professor Grisch.

(02:34:03):
That's way above my pay grade. And I'm like, wow,
that's the reason why you need to be in the
class to listen to to actually know what's going on
with the music that you claim that you love and
you make and that you want to be a part of.
So here to to Maga White Maga Trump supporters come

(02:34:25):
along and take that same playbook and and and rap
about your destruction and you have. You have no pushback,
not even on a lyrical level, on a musical level,
on a historical level, you have no pushback. You're just
like wow, and then they hit you with the uh, well,
we have the freedom of speech.

Speaker 6 (02:34:47):
Yeah, that's that's that's that's yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 11 (02:34:50):
A hell of a thing. Is as far as the playbook,
using our own playbook against us, you talk about weaponizing
the same music that we we uh we use to
serve as the basis to our culture, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:35:05):
With the sad part about all this, though, griff Is said,
they are people download this stuff and it's making money
for them, so they're contributed to their own demise, if
you will, as you said that earlier. But they just
don't know they're doing it.

Speaker 11 (02:35:17):
Right, eximptly because this is the music we work out to.
It's the music we listen to while we're driving, dropping
children off at school, picking them up, going to works,
going about our business. We as adults and older people
my generation, your generation may not, but we're subject to
it simply because young people are listening to it and

(02:35:38):
it's everywhere, whether someone's playing it loud in their car
or you know, they're playing it in open spaces and
transitional spaces where we have to operate and we have
to move. In restaurants, I went into a seven eleven
one time, and the Indian guy, we're just unaware that
this music is destructive to who we are. But his
customer base is black, predominantly black people, and he thinks

(02:36:01):
that this is the music that we want to hear.
Kill kill, kill, murder, death, kill, and we don't want
to hear that. So let's me bring it to his attention.
It's truly up to him. Either bring it to his
attention or stop picturing.

Speaker 1 (02:36:13):
Not in the store, you know, I got calls in
the studio, grip. They want to know the name of
the rapper and the lyrics and the label. Is that
something you can share or should be sharing? That should
and if you do, do you think that's that's helping
the cause or hurting the cause? If you if people,
because people are going to try go listening to it now,

(02:36:33):
and obviously it makes as you know, every time you
download it, you're making money, so you are then contributed
to your own demise. And I'm looking at the clock.
If we got to take a break, so I'll let
you do it. Answer us a question when you come back.
And also more importantly, though, do we need a group
like the ADL when something comes up negative, whether it
be in the entertainment or anything about black people, do
we need a group there to monitor that and put

(02:36:56):
a stop to it right away. So I'll let you
respond to those questions when we get back. Family, YouTube
can join our conversation with Professor Griff. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six. I'll take the phone calls next and Grand
Rising family, thanks are staying with us on this October first,
Wednesday morning. I guess is Professor Griff from Public Enemy.

(02:37:16):
He's the Minister of Information. Was the Minister for Information.
Got a lot of calls and text Actually, Griff, I'll
let you deal with that later about the Jimmy Kimmel Show.
But right now, Professor Griff is shown is sharing with
us the fact that there's a rap song that comes
out two white guys and Mega guys did a rap
song glorifying Lynchin. Yeah, in twenty twenty five, Lynchin, we

(02:37:37):
just had a lynching. We talked about Trey read lynching
as well. So that's that's an issue, but should And
they're asking for the name of the rappers, and they're
want to hear the lyrics and they want to know
the label. So the question is, Professor Griff, if they
do that and in researching and download it, aren't they
also joining in their own demise?

Speaker 11 (02:37:58):
No, I think it's imperative that we do because this
goes hand in hand with the other question you ask
in reference, do we need a group to monitor these
particular things so we have to hear it? If if
there's no platform and no environment where we can go
get this information, how would we even know? And if
we as adults and parents and guardians and jegnasts, if

(02:38:20):
we don't know, then how are we going to begin
to have that conversation with younger people? So jj law
Lawhorn l A w h O r end is one
of the artists and for for g for Gito blows
f O r g i A t O blows. The

(02:38:42):
name of the song is good versus Evil Evil and
it's on YouTube. Now, you would think that those people
that monitor YouTube and will strike your channel for not
following the community guidelines would look at this particular song
and shut it down down take your channel away, strike

(02:39:02):
your channel, the block the video. But no, this fault
under the freedom of speech. So do we have a
group that's out there monitoring these things. No, there's just
some concerned individuals like myself that keep the finger on
the pulse of what's going on with our people. To
make the connection to inform the people. This is part

(02:39:25):
of the aspect of what I did in Public Enemy,
the minutes of information. Gather this particular information so we
can arm ourselves with the information, so we can at
least fight back on on the level we need to
fight back on. At the same time, educating young people
and educating adults, because young adults that our age, you're
not gonna go find this stuff. We're not. We don't

(02:39:47):
listen to this kind of music. You understand the thing,
but young people do. And then with faceboo having to
have that conversation you know, a lot later on when
it's too late.

Speaker 1 (02:39:58):
Yeah, tough. As I mentioned a couple of your fans
that said, I got three uh texts on this, but
I'll read one because they're all basically the same thing.
It says Grand rasing Professor Griff Public Enemy Air a
performance on the Jimmy Kimmel Show this past Monday, I
didn't see you. Why is it that you were not
in the group's performance, I respectfully ask you. Can you
explain your connection or like thereof with Public Enemy to

(02:40:21):
us confused listeners in your own words? And one other
one says there's no Public Enemy without professor Griff. So
these are I got three texas and that represent quite
I guess a number of your fans want to know
what happened on the Kimmel Show on this past Monday.

Speaker 11 (02:40:38):
Well, as we know if we do the history of
not only people like Jimmy Kimmel, but the establishment that
puts it on Jay basically just kind of put the
pressure on, you know, on Public Enemy just kind of
like not have me in that space anymore, simply because
I refuse to capitulate. I refuse to just to kind
of go along with whatever it is that's happening. I

(02:41:00):
refuse to kind of tow the line. I refuse to
push an agenda that just speaks against our people. So
they chose, they chose to get rid of me. Yet again,
they chose to get rid of me. It was just like, yeah,
because you kind of figure you if you roll time back.
I was there at the first at the first perform
on the Jimmy Kimmel Show, and then he did the

(02:41:22):
blackface and then I said, no, no, no, we won't
be doing that. You understand what I'm saying. So then
when I started to speak up and out about these
same individuals that I had issues with that controlled the
music industry, I guess Chuck in Flavor says, no, we
like Jimmy Kimmel, We're going to continue to do this
kind of stuff. And I said, no, we shouldn't do that.
That's not the position that we should take. You understand

(02:41:44):
I'm saying, because history, when people look back at history,
they're going to see the position that public enemy took
and right now, it's not a favorable one with black people.
So I chose to take a stand. And this is
the stand that I'm taking. I'm taking a stand for
the people. I'm like, no, we're not We're not going
to kind of go on these particular shows where we

(02:42:05):
have the host and this kind of these kind of
individuals doing black faith and we're gonna go and just
kind of tap dance on stage. You want to say
what I'm saying, Like everything is everything, and it's not.
I I have a real problem with that.

Speaker 1 (02:42:19):
Did Chuck and Flave understand you your standards? Do they
agree with you? I said, Okay, we're gonna get paid.
You know, we dig what you're saying. We understand it,
but we're cool. But you know we're gonna get We're
gonna go after and get this bag. Did they come
with you like that or how did they? How did
you resolve?

Speaker 11 (02:42:36):
It wasn't necessary, It wasn't necessarily a discussion with Flavor
with him. He just conveyed to Chuck basically that I
just don't want to work with this guy. I don't
believe what he believes. I don't I don't like him. Yeah,
what Professor Griff talks about this revolutionary black power stuff
and doing uplifting the people, that stuff is old. Whatever.

(02:42:58):
We need to kind of have some kind of hit
the reset button with public nity, and then you know,
basically kind of goes along with it simply because he
aligns himself with desionists. And I just cannot, in good
faith and being who I am and what I stand for,
I just can't. I can't do that. I don't care
what they did, did Jimmy Kimmel in his stance in

(02:43:21):
reference to the Charlie Kirk situation. Your position is not
my position, you understand I'm saying I speak for the
hurt masters of our people and want to educate our people.
I want to raise the vibratory pitch of our people
into the thinking of the creator, to have people activate
their higher self. If that's what I'm about, you know,

(02:43:42):
I'm gonna be in opposition to Jimmy Kimmel doing blackface.

Speaker 4 (02:43:45):
I'm gonna be in.

Speaker 11 (02:43:45):
Opposition to Chuck and Craser wanting to please designiss that
control black music. I just can't do it.

Speaker 1 (02:43:54):
I mean, it's getting a twenty six off the top.
Snoop Dog Snoop is you know, it's sort of been
a disappoint into a lot of people in the black community.
They cleaned him up, expunge his records, and now he's
all over in VC doing the Olympics. And I see
flavors always getting involved in these traditional things now, just
like like the Snoop Dogg is doing. Is this a

(02:44:14):
deliberate attempt attempt by those who control our entertainment industry
to flip these brothers over to make things make you know,
say that, hey, everything's cool. See we've got Flave over here,
we got Snoop over here, and they're doing their thing.
And look at them that they're making money and everything's
you know, they represent the black community, so everything must
be cool. Is that the vibe I'm getting? Or are

(02:44:35):
am on the wrong wrong track?

Speaker 11 (02:44:38):
No, you're You're right on it. There's a playbook that
they kind of you know, issued to these individuals that
if you're going to play in this game, you need
to play ball. These are some of the things that
you might want to do. You understand I'm saying, matter
of fact, not want to do. These are the things
that you have to do to be in those spaces.
Look at some of these individuals just a minute ago.

(02:44:59):
They either in crimes, on drugs, doing whatever. You understand
what I'm saying, throwing up gang signs and Super bowls
and stinging the Star Spangled band and whatever, and look
at them. Look at them now you're there at the Olympics. Yeah,
Who's who's giving you the greenlight to do that? Do
you understand what I'm saying? Who's continuing to finance you?

(02:45:20):
And you get on these big platforms, you say nothing
for the culture and nothing for the people. You see
what it is they love, They loved, not them, but
these people that control our culture. They love to steal
the culture. Like these two Maga rappers that that support
Donald Trump. They love the culture, but they don't love
the people whom with the culture comes from. You understand

(02:45:42):
I'm saying. And a lot of them if you really
watch that bad body language in the video, they tried
to be They want to be black so bad until
it's really time to be black. So they're speaking to
their magabase. And keep in mind called a lot of
these young white boys that are Republicans that uh magas
Trump supporters. They love hip hop. They may hide the

(02:46:06):
fact that they voted for Donald Trump. They may hide
the fact that they're racist because they love the music
so much. And this is what we're getting when we
talk about this cultural appropriation, cultural invasion with which is
anxiety from these two these two uh MAGA supporters, what
is it called projection of repression, repressions desires. They have

(02:46:28):
a desire to want to be and be rappers, but
they're having conflict with the kind of music that they
truly want to do to reach other people. In their
in their fan base, and those are other young whites
in their fan base. So they use black music to
talk about the destruction of black people.

Speaker 1 (02:46:49):
Wow, let me actually so a thirty minute top Grit.
Do they buy more of our music than our people
buy our music? Because I can be hearing that you
know these all these streaming is young white than doing
it and not our folks.

Speaker 11 (02:47:04):
Well, let's look at it this way. If you if
you there's no such thing as a record label anymore.
The phone companies, T Mobile and AT and T and
some of these other people hope in with these other
people who now in control and in bed with the
Spotify's and other people, and they're the one that's controlling

(02:47:24):
how we listen to our own music, how we listen
and interact with our own culture. So when you talk
about buying being controlled by it is two different things.
If you subscribe to a streaming service, then you're buying
into it, whether you like it or not. If you
buy into the streaming service, you may go on there
just to listen to them. I don't meditative music, but

(02:47:46):
you're still buying into it. And the danger with all
of this call is the fact that they are coming
out with AI rappers, now rappers that they're making in
a lad that are not human, that can put these
kind of destructive messages out about black people. And then
how do you come.

Speaker 12 (02:48:04):
Back that that's the next levels?

Speaker 1 (02:48:09):
Rightly and and just I think it was on the
nightly news last night there was the movie people are
really upset because they've got this AI generated actresses doing movies.
So the actress are you know, they're really concerned because
if they don't need them anymore. But I guess if
they can do a feature film full length of a
feature film, they can do a video a rapper, creator,

(02:48:33):
a rapper create, even a black rapper Professor griff and
and and do that lynching song like that and confuse
the audience. So my question to you, you know, you're
more astute when when it comes to the entertainment industry
in the music business than most of us. What do
we do how do we discern which which is which
is really which is a fake?

Speaker 11 (02:48:54):
I think we have traditions and customs, we have our
own rituals, our own rights, our own sense of self.
I think all of us need to get grounded because
this is only the beginning. They've been planning this for
a long time. Now is the time for them to
activate it. And they're doing just they're doing just that.

(02:49:16):
How do you and who do you complain to? If
an AI rapper is talking about lynching black people and
hanging them high? Who do you complain to? There's knowing
that you could contact at the record company, because there's
no more record companies. You're just talking about these these uh,
these global international companies, companies that are putting these AI

(02:49:39):
rappers together and putting them out there. And this is
the subject and these are the subject matters that they
want to tackle.

Speaker 1 (02:49:48):
And I got to ask you this question. I asked
this a lot of our scholars too, Griff twenty. It
away from the town day our family? Why us? Why?

Speaker 4 (02:49:55):
Why?

Speaker 1 (02:49:55):
It seems like, you know, are they attacking other racial
groups like us or sits aside group? It's under attack.
We've it seems like we've been under the tax since
we got here. So is it just us? Or is
it you know, is it widespread? Does everybody get a
shot or are they just everybody's taking a shot of
the black folks.

Speaker 11 (02:50:12):
No, I think everyone's taking a shot at black folks
because of who and what we are and what we
represent as far as who we are on the grand
scheme of things. The natural resources that we're sitting on
under our feet on the continent, and the natural resource
we have in our head, heart and our spirit in
America and throughout the world, they know who we are.

(02:50:34):
I'm just trying to help us figure out who we
are so we could begin to tap into that natural
resource so we can defend ourselves on every level, you know,
And that's.

Speaker 1 (02:50:45):
Why I asked you the question. Do we have an agency,
a group like the ADL that monitors this stuff that's
coming out? So you know, as soon as the ADL
sees something that smells to make it to the airwaves
or to the theater or anything like that, they jump
on it like white on rice and it's over. You know,
they make a phone call, it's done. Do we have

(02:51:06):
any person, group or agency in our community the monitoring
the negative issues that are coming down at us, because
we seems like we get catching catching a lot these days.

Speaker 11 (02:51:16):
Well, we did have that. We had that in the
NAACP to to a small degree. We had that with
the Nation of Islam, we had that with the Black
Panther Party, and the New Black Panther Party.

Speaker 4 (02:51:27):
We had that.

Speaker 11 (02:51:28):
We had that with groups that were coming up, especially
in the digital age that we live in, that are
that are online. We have individuals that are putting groups together,
We have individuals that are out there just kind of
doing it on their own. But to point to one
group that's that's doing it, that's monitoring these things and
bringing the collective together to fight against these things, someone

(02:51:50):
that we could point to, a group that we could
point to to say, Okay, that group needs to speak
to YouTube and other platforms that are putting this stuff
up Instagram, Facebook, oh never and have them neutralize it
and take it down or whatever. But no, there's not
one group that I can see that's actually doing it.
If there is, I'd like for them to give me

(02:52:11):
a call six seven eight five nine. They can't call
me directly, of course.

Speaker 1 (02:52:18):
And they're missing in action. If there is a group
that's doing that. But could they be compromised as well,
because because could you know, you mentioned the NAACP, but
there could they be compromised because somebody else was saying, hey,
don't touch that, because you know, we run the check
for you to keep your business going. So don't leave
that issue alone and talk about something else, you know,
Could that be the problem why we don't have a group,

(02:52:40):
like an independent group like the ADL does. And I'm
gonna keep saying this, so because that's the way they
do for the Jewish community, Is that the reason why
we don't have one for the Black community?

Speaker 11 (02:52:50):
Well, I think if we did have that in any
of the organizations that still exist, the leaders and those
that run those organizations that kind of need to be
re educated in some of the subject matters on a
digital level that we're dealing with today. A lot of times,
they're not computer savvy. They're they're not apt detailed like

(02:53:17):
we are. They don't know where to find the information
and then how to combat it once they do. You understand,
I'm saying, the idea of going to the lecture and
the hundreds and you know, two or three hundred people
show up is it's just not happening anymore. And then
we have to meet these threats where they are, and
a lot of them are digital and a lot of
the older people that are still running these organizations they're

(02:53:39):
just not they're not tech savvy like that.

Speaker 1 (02:53:44):
And now I'm still dead Griff, I'm still getting text
about the Jimmy Kimmel's show us. I'm just reading part
of one because they I guess they missed what you
said earlier, but they were saying about the Jimmy Calls show.
Is Jimmy kill show and the acceptance of mainstream media
of the music of your generation years ago, Public Enemy
would not have been accepted on mainstream talk shows. Is

(02:54:07):
that just the fat or is this something we really
accept now? Is this the new I guess is this
the new it now? To use people like Public Enemy
and Snoop now is a way to reach our people.
Even though Snoop lost a lot of followers on the internet,
he lost them, more than half of his followers Black
people dumped him after what they saw what he did.

(02:54:27):
So I'll let you address those issues when we come back.
And also let us know because you talk about you
go real deep on the internet as well, and some
of the stuff we can't talk about on the radio here,
but you get deep on that and let us know
how people can hear you, how can reach you, and
if you have any events coming up twenty three minutes
away from the top, they you want to speak to
Professor Griff right now reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

(02:54:49):
I'll take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family
factually rolling with us on this Wednesday morning, this first
day of October. It's a hump day in the middle
of the week, eighteen minutes away from the top. I
guess the Professor Grit from public Enemy, the Minister of Information.
A lot of folks are I'm still getting tweets about,
you know, being on the show Griff. One person just
said there's no Pe without Griff. That was just that's it,

(02:55:10):
straight up. Anyway, I got another one I'll read to
you as well. Before we go do that, though, let
me just remind you. Coming up tomorrow, we're going to
hear from clinical psychologist doctor Jeromey Fox. You know him
from his book Addicted to White the Oppressed in League
of the Oppressor, Shame based Allines. Maybe we need to
send that book to some of the other fellows out
there in Pe. Also, a scientist and medical doctor Keith
Crawford will be here and doctor Henry Johnson also Jones.

(02:55:32):
Doctor Johnson is one of O. J. Simpson's real close
friends him. Before this the trial jumped off. He was
supporting OJ and then he's had it before you know,
O J didn't commit the double murders. So, and I
think Thursday or Friday is going to be the anniversary
of the decision decision, that jury decision that was heard
around the world when they found OJ innocon. So he's

(02:55:53):
going to be here talk about the trial. So if
you aren't Baltimore, make sure your radio's locked in real
tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the
DMVM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifteen w
L so Professor Griff. They keep asking the question about that,
and they're tweeting, Hey, guys, you can call in. By
the way, he keep asking, send me tweets about you,
about you not being on the show. Some people have
but heard about it. You know, should and even once it,

(02:56:16):
should we stop boycotting PE. So let me just read
this on this kind of line, says, how does he
feel about the performance of his former group? And I
had to go on the Jimmy Kimmel Show and the
acceptance of mainstream media of the music of his generation
years ago, Public Enemy would not have been accepted on
mainstream talk shows. Is this just a fat or is
this reality we have to accept right now?

Speaker 4 (02:56:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (02:56:37):
I think the latter is true. It's it's probably a
reality that we have to accept right now simply because
the very thing that was the spirit of public enemy
was the thing that was that I was, that was
you know, kind of I came up on that spirit.
I came up on the spirit of the Black Panther Party.
I came up on the spirit of the Mau Mau.

(02:56:58):
I came up on on the spirits of just kind
of you.

Speaker 1 (02:57:02):
Know, just.

Speaker 11 (02:57:05):
Having to speak to our people to raise that vibratory pitch.

Speaker 4 (02:57:08):
But I think.

Speaker 11 (02:57:11):
I think the hold on one second, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:57:16):
Sure?

Speaker 11 (02:57:17):
Okay, Doctor Amos Wilson said it better. Doctor Amos Wilson's
theory on the psychology of self hate hatred basically asserts
that the anti black attitudes among African people are not innate,
but are the result of internalized white supremacy. And then
he goes on to say the identification with the aggressor
and the oppressor, black people come to adopt the world

(02:57:40):
view of their oppressors, including their belief system, and they
belief that the fact that we are as black people inferior.
Wilson notes that this can result in the defensive and
self defeating behaviors such as quote unquote acting white or
just going along just to get the bag and get along.
We don't want to oppose any thing now, well black

(02:58:01):
public and they look at what public enemy was talking
about back then is not applicable to today, And I
say the very opposite. I say, right now, today, we
as black people need a strong public enemy voice in
a group that we can show solidarity and strength and
speak truth to power to young people today. That's exactly
what we need. And even if we did some of

(02:58:23):
those shows back in the day, we always did them
and made a statement, improved a point and spoke to
and spoke to our people. Now we're top dancing on
stage for what reason?

Speaker 4 (02:58:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:58:35):
And the question is, especially with right what you shared
with us this morning about you know how I'm Black,
music is being weaponized against the black community with these
white rappers doing a song about lynching, glorifying lynching. And
if we don't have a public enemy to counter that,
what what what are we going to do?

Speaker 11 (02:58:56):
I think what people what what people are doing is
just saying co know, it's it's it's music, you know so,
but he has the freedom speech, he can say whatever
he wants to say. And these maga rappers they drop
the N word, they put lynching, they and they're doing
all of this because they're writing on this energy of

(02:59:19):
what people are feeling right now being polarized in this
country in reference to what happened to Charlie Kurk and
black people had absolutely nothing to do with that, but
we're getting punished for it. And this is giving them
the green light to make these kind of songs and
it's almost like a dare who's gonna say anything about it?
You know, I'm protected by freedom of speech.

Speaker 1 (02:59:41):
So on the flip side of that, though, Griff, do
we need do we need a cadre of young rappers
to come and counter that? And if so, would they
get the airplay with or would they get the streaming,
would they get the support from not just from the
black community, but from the greater community as a whole.

Speaker 4 (03:00:00):
Well, when you.

Speaker 11 (03:00:01):
Talk about you talk about the way we would have
to construct a rebuttal or response or the antithesis to
what these mega rappers are talking about. We have to
do it in such a way where it's going to
appeal to our people. Will will YouTube, let that fly, well,
Instagram and Facebook, let that fly, will Spotify, let that fly.

(03:00:22):
If we responded in the way we need to respond,
that is the question.

Speaker 1 (03:00:30):
Well, let me share this. I know our listeners will respond.
And by the way, Terns Bailey, Frederick Douglas is a
relatives to say you tell you hi, and he's trying
to raise some funds to make a sort of a
museum for Frederick Douglas. And we asked people to commit
and he says he received a five thousand dollars pledge

(03:00:50):
from one of our listeners. So that's where to go.
Those of you who missed the please get a copy
of this podcast and see what turns to. Bailey's trying
to do for Frederick Douglas and actually for our leg
see leaders of the past. He's trying to build a
museum for them. So then people are pledging money and
he says he's got some pledges already from being on
this morning. By the way, he said to tell you
Professor griff is still high because he says he knows

(03:01:12):
she will. So I just wanted to share that grief
the family Yeah, eight hundred and four five zero seventy
eight seven six. Cliff Is in Connecticut has a question
for you a twelve away from the top of the
Cliffie ad question for Professor.

Speaker 5 (03:01:23):
Griff Hey Grandma's and brother Kyle grand rising and Professor
griff I'll followed brother Professor griff And without a doubt,
the brother is conscious. What he speaks of men is positive.

Speaker 4 (03:01:34):
Without a doubt.

Speaker 5 (03:01:35):
And he even in addition to that, brother Karl brother
a career for wrong Professor griff He even goes watching
his Facebook page. He even goes into our religion as
black people. And that's why I wanted to get in.
Now let me ask this, and I'm asking this for
a point. Now, your prior guest, right, the one that's
doing all the work, did he ever mention the image

(03:01:57):
of Jesus at all?

Speaker 4 (03:01:59):
Karl?

Speaker 1 (03:02:01):
I have no idea what you're talking about. You know, once,
once it shows over, I'm over. So I'm sorry I
can't respond.

Speaker 5 (03:02:06):
The point I'm making is that this guy never even
talked to when when you had a caller talked about
the book.

Speaker 1 (03:02:12):
Yeah, but he's gone listen to Cliff and let's they
don't you no no, don't do that. Here you have
the question for Griff. Fine, but the other guests is gone.
Other than that, call back on Friday, and let.

Speaker 4 (03:02:23):
All this is relevant to our existence.

Speaker 1 (03:02:25):
Well, we'll come on because we're racing the clock here.

Speaker 4 (03:02:28):
Let's be making my point.

Speaker 5 (03:02:29):
Let me ask my question then, So, Professor Griff, what's
the religion man that black people shouldn't beat you what
they hear to and speak on. I should be practicing
as a black people appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (03:02:46):
I think what is trying to I think what call
us trying to get you to understand we need to
a stick to the subject matter and then be to
you know, that's a that's a deeper question we need
to ask. And I think we might want to kind
of hold that for that particular guest that was on.
You might want to send them a message. Is something
we'll email them?

Speaker 6 (03:03:04):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:03:05):
Isn't that fair to ask that question? Because that's not
what you're here to talk about. That's what I was
trying to tell him. That's why we have our open
phone Friday where you can express those things. Cliff, I mean,
you understand that, but for us, a Griff, some of
the stuff that you talk about you can't talk about
on the air because you understand how the FCC works
and you understand how it is now, especially in the
era of Trump. So you do your own thing. How

(03:03:25):
could people listen to you?

Speaker 11 (03:03:28):
Well, people could contact me directly. I do you know,
I do a show three times three times a week
on you know, YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram. As a matter
of fact, they gave you reach out to me directly.
They can call me a six seven eight five, five,
seven two nine one not I secured a website. It's
public and then it's n E. The letters nm E

(03:03:49):
dot me public, nmme dot me. That is my site.
That's my phone number. I'm on and I'm speaking right
to people and I'm giving I'm giving them the information.

Speaker 1 (03:04:00):
Yeah, do you have anything coming up? Any events taking place?

Speaker 6 (03:04:06):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (03:04:06):
As a matter of fact, I just released the book
called The Birth and it talks about the birthing song,
which everyone has a birthing song of the of the
women of the Himba Trode and the Nibia Africa, which
is a book that's definitely on a h It talks
about the frequencyason the vibration, definitely on a spirit on
a spiritual.

Speaker 1 (03:04:24):
Level, and how much of this because you mentioned too
about the psychea of our music that's entrapped inside of
us that comes out at certain times. How much of
this is that goes way back to our ancestors on
the continent.

Speaker 11 (03:04:39):
Oh, we have a direct line to uh, to our ancestors,
you know. We the song. The song spoke us into existence.
The song, the music is is a part of us.
It's not something that we put in us. The music
and the spirit and the vibration and the connection to
not only one another, the earth and everything now show

(03:05:00):
on the planet is in us and it comes.

Speaker 12 (03:05:03):
Out of us.

Speaker 11 (03:05:04):
I heard someone say that what would we do without
without white people? Know, the questions should be acting the
other way around. What would everyone do about us? Everyone
keeps their thing on the puff of who we are
as a people and how we move on a global scale.
So yeah, this, this, this music, and this energy and
this spirit and this beauty of music and song is

(03:05:25):
coming out of us.

Speaker 1 (03:05:29):
And I'm going to ask you this, these young white
maga guys who are out there doing this rap thing,
do you think that's prevalent in the maga world that
they they really love hip hop, they love rap, but
they just don't want to embrace it openly because it's
against their quote unquote values.

Speaker 11 (03:05:46):
I mean, if you look at the video, you could
tell that. You turn the volume down and you just
watch their body language. They want to be white a
gangster rappers so bad. They want to cryp see walk
and also other kind of stuff that you know they
they but they do it in private and and you know,
just to and speak to their their base, so to speak.

(03:06:06):
You understand I'm saying. And it's it's it's almost like
there's nothing their nose up at us, letting us know that.
Look we get come, we can be cultural appropriators. Come in,
take your culture like culture bandits, take your music, turn
around and put destructive lyrics on it and feed it
right back to you and you will buy it. Oh wow, crazy.

(03:06:30):
But then itself and that goes to what Amos Wilson
and doctor Bobby E. Wright talks about when he talks
about this racial psychological braces of personalities and uh the
psychologist psychology yourself hate that doctor Amos Wilson talks about.

Speaker 1 (03:06:47):
Yeah, shutting away from the top end. Let me let
me ask you this though, do you think this is
is a destruction? Yeah, is it. Do you think this
is going to be a one one hit wonder if
you will, as they call it, say it in the business,
or do you think these these guys are going to
try to make a career out of this.

Speaker 11 (03:07:02):
No, they're stoking the flyer and they will fan the
flames and other white artists will come along and see
the success of songs like this. And I think this
is going to continue when once they make the Charlie
Kirk coin and the National Day of the memorance and
all this other stuff that's going to happen, and you
get black people coming along and co signing on that,

(03:07:25):
I think it's going to get worse. Then, as I
said earlier, with AI rappers being developed right now in
the lab, I think it's going to get worse. I
truly believe it's going to get worse.

Speaker 1 (03:07:37):
Is there a way for us to and I actually
should before to find out if these are if these
are real, all these are AI constructed rappers, the probably
right now as we speak in the on the computers
manufacturing these and then coming out with these the destructive
lyrics and songs to our people. Is there any way
that once you see it, you say oh, this is
AI generated.

Speaker 11 (03:07:58):
Well, we have to have we have those individuals that
in that that tech world that are conscious, that are
in that tech world, that that still want to be black.
We have to hear from them how it's done. How
can we tell because I saw the same that you
saw in the news last night. There's these this actress
that they developed that's doing full length feature films as

(03:08:21):
an AI uh uh actress. It's hard to tell. It's
really truly hard to tell. We have to have so
much step up to the plate in the tech world
to kind of let us know.

Speaker 1 (03:08:35):
Yeah, and we got some brothers and sisters there, so
it's start getting on your job. But Griff, before we
let you go though, uh how you again, you're you're
on you're on the internet, and some of the family
just say a lot of stuff and Griff can't say
here on this particular program, you know, because we're monitored
by the FCC and they're on you know, they're monitoring us.
But he can he can go to get the real

(03:08:56):
deal on his show. So Griff tell us how what
they can listen and to also tell us again the
event that you're haven't I think you said this week yes.

Speaker 11 (03:09:05):
As a matter of fact, October fourth, I'm doing having
a discussion and a Q and a session about my
book The Birds. And then not only that, I'm still
doing the writers' workshops and music one oh one workshop
for young people to get in to learn about the
music business and learn how to constructively put together songs
that can you know, not only uplift your people, but

(03:09:27):
improve your writing skills. You want to say, I'm saying
so Yeah. I can be reached at www dot public,
the letters nme dot me and my phone number six
seven eight five five seven two nine one nine. My
last writing class called my Songwriting Class, was very very successful.
Young people listening to this program came on the show
and this beautiful thing and they're able to pull from it.

(03:09:50):
So now that next generation, we're beginning to affect them,
and what we need to do is starts educating them
on songwriting and music business one oh one so we
can co about some of these things.

Speaker 1 (03:10:01):
Yes, that's good and I'm glad that you're doing that, Griff.
Thank you, Thank you for the information you shared, Real State,
and thank you for highlighting that because I'm sure many
people know how our music is being weaponized against us.
Thank you for sharing those thoughts with us.

Speaker 11 (03:10:14):
This morning I give thanks, thank you as always gone.

Speaker 1 (03:10:17):
All right, family, that's Professor griff Education for the day.
School is over. Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also
in the DMV on FM ninety five point nine and
AM fourteen fifty WL or Information is Power