Professor Manu Ampim on Kemet, Ethiopia & AI Workshop Preview with Dr. Denise Turley and Activist Kenneth Canty

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're facing with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your Tuesday
with us. Later, one of our top scholars, Contra Costa
College African History professor Mannu and Pin, will report on
his recent visit to Chemi and Ethiopia. But before professor Impin,
doctor Denise Turley will preview her groundbreaking AI Artificial Intelligence conference,
and Mama Telo will get an update on political prisoner

(00:56):
jam Master Jay from activist Bishop Knty. But let's go
to heaven. The first thing, you opened the classroom door,
so we can get started. Grand Rising Clevin, Hey, Grand.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Rising Carl Nelson.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
My man, my man, I feel like Captain Kangaroo every
time you say.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
That, I'll tell you that told me to get a whist,
Laura Bell, Kevin, get a whist Laura Bell.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
Yeah, right right, find that jingle from the old Captain
Kangaroo show. Now that shows anybody that even knows that reference,
it's definitely showing.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Their age like me.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
That's right, yeah, you know, but that was one part
of our youth there, and he had that set of
keys jingling. So maybe i'll just go get a set
of keys, you know, like a taxi driver or something.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
You know. So, hey, how you feeling, Carl Nelson.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm still learning Kevin. What's trending this morning though in
the news.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
But it's good that you're still learning though. That means
that you haven't been replaced by a I yet, right,
you know. Hey, but look in the in trending news
that there's something I wanted to report and ask you about,
and it's from a sports perspective.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Uh sa, Quon Barkley. That name's unfamiliar. Familiar name.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
Quon Barkley is shocked Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, he was shocked to hear that.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
President Donald Trump mentioned him as part of the President's
new Youth Fitness Council, and he said he's not joining.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, the President issued.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
In sage of the White House.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Because you know, they've got Tony Romo, they've got some
other folks who come out and spoke favorably about the President.
He knows supports him, so he I guess without checking,
he just put his name on the list because he
figured this guy loves me. Because he got he's sort
of critique for going to the White House. There was
especially the White House and he went, and uh, some

(02:51):
of the you know, Philadelphia Eagles fans, even some of
the Giants fans because he played with the Giants previously, uh,
you know, sort of slammed him for going to the
White House. But he says, not politically, you know, he's
he's just doing what he you know, he's doing what
the President asked him to the President of the United States,
asking him to go in the White House, or he
had a conversation, they had a conversation. He didn't see

(03:13):
the fact that he didn't see that he was used,
you know, because Trump doesn't invite you or bring you
into his orbit unless he can figure out how how
can he use you? So he was using him kind
of like how he used uh what's his name down
and uh, the other athlete that he selected to be
an ambassador or something like that, you know, because what
can he get because he can show the Black Committee, see,

(03:34):
I've got black support, I've got one of the best
running backs in the game today, and he's on my team.
So what's wrong with you, fellas and the rest of you.
So Sequan is probably he probably heard that from his teammates.
So then he sort of I think that's why he
backed down.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Okay, well, according to CBS News in Philadelphia, during a
press conference at the Eagles training camp, uh, the Super
Bowl winning running back say Kwian Barkley clarified that he
in fact declined the invitation to join.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
And isn't that just a natural thing.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
I mean, every R s v P doesn't always end
with yes, I'll be there, right And you.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Know, well, I don't even think he got that, because
he says he was surprised that his name was on
the list. They figured that, you know, he's uh, they figured,
well they probably Cate's a Trump's that we don't know
which way he rolls because his point, you know, but
so he'd be happy to be associated with Donald Trump.
And so now they're much of their chagrin. He's He's like,

(04:34):
you know, I'm too busy. I've got other stuff to do.
I got you know, the NFL League star and I
got too much other stuff and I got a family.
So they were surprised about that. That's their fault. They
should have checked and really before announcing his name. But
go ahead, well that's what and that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
You know, the fact that he was surprised to be
invited doesn't necessarily mean you know, they're surprised to win
the Oscar too when they're sitting in the room with
their name being nominated. But they're always surprised to win.
And and so uh, you know, is that you know,
for the public to say I was shocked or you

(05:14):
see what I mean, or you're saying that Trump just
called his name out of the clear blue sky.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
No, they released they released the names of the people
on the panel. And this is the sports I think
it has been dormant for a while, but it's been around.
The President has the these uh, the President and I say,
has these sports panels that they have that you know,
recommends different issues when it comes to sports, and they
have different athletes on there. And it was sort of

(05:42):
dormant during the Biden administration. So he revived it because
he's trying to you know what Trump, Trump's trying to
make you do that He's got A listers on his
team because so far, the biggest, uh, the biggest knock
on him is the people who support them, whether it
be entertainers or athletes, B and C listers. He can't
get the A listers al Pacinos and you know in

(06:04):
Hollywood to be to be honest team, that's what he
really wants because they're all supporting Democrats.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
So if he can get a top.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
He got Tony Romo, who's now who's to play for
the Cowboys and now who's an announcer. He's got him
on the team. He's part of that group, and he's
he played golf with with with Trump. So you know,
he accepted and he's gonna do it. But the fact
that he can't get a listers, and I keep saying
that because he looks Trump is looking for validation. No

(06:31):
more else could you get validation having the top running
back from the foot Bowl champion team to support him
and pushed back.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Well, just to walk a mile in his golf shoes, though,
say Kwan Barkley did play golf with Donald true, right,
and that's what he thought he was buddies right exactly.
So that's where part of this confusion could come with.
And Barkley said, some people are really upset because I
played golf to the White House with Donald Trump. Maybe

(07:02):
I just respect the office of the president, he says,
not a hard concept to understand.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
You know.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
He also golfed with Barack Obama and he looked forward
to finishing another round with President Trump.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
So see there you go.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Oh, everything that shines is not a diamond, and you know,
all the glitters is not necessarily an invitation to be
on this fitness thing. In other news, Bondi opens the
grand jury probe into Obama's role in Russia Gate hoax.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
What do you think of that, Carl?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
That's another diversion, Kevin. And they were trying anything to
get Epstein, the Epstein issue, off the page. So that's
that's what they're trying to do. So you know, all
of this stuff, people ain't thinking about Russia and all
of that or what the Democrats did. They throwing everything
at the wall and hope something will stick and hope
that the media will start, Oh Willson investigating the meeting's gone, okay,

(08:00):
The media shrugs. You know, give us something with some
meat on. Man, tell me about why my food prices
are going up. That's what these are the answers that
we need to know about. This is what people are
talking about. And you know, I had to go on
a tangent, but that's why many of these Republicans they're
not holding town hall meetings when they go back home
because they're hearing it now from from their supporters or

(08:22):
people who voted them in.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Even Obama and others agree with you. They've branded the
administration's claims as outrageous attempt to divert attention from the
fire storm I quote, and that the president has faced
over his links to sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. That's just
going to follow him the rest of his life, I believe.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Oh, yeah, he's trying. He can't understand what the public's
fascination with him and Epstein. You know, he just doesn't
get it. Yeah, I guess he doesn't believe that Epstein
was a pedophile and and that you know, it's a
lot deeper. Obviously, that's why he wants it to go away.
But it's not going away.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Man.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
They're bizarre just to quote again Barack Obama, that they
would say that he was engaged in a treason, his
conspiracy to rig the twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
And lext Yeah, he's still got a crawl and his
throat about Obama. Man, there's something about Barack Obama that,
other than his skin color, that he was popular. He
wanted a Nobel Prize. He went to Harvard. Yeah, he's
an attorney. I mean, he keeps comparing himself. And I
think it all started at that at that corresponds in Washington. Yes, yeah,

(09:40):
when Obama clowned him, right, because that.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Was so funny. And then I'd let you go. But
that was so funny because Obama showed he said, this
is the birth record, the video of my birth, and
he showed that scene from the Lion.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
King where they hold the baby lion. That was funny.
That was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
And then and then the but the cameras cut to
Trump when when he slammed Trump.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
And the reaction receiving.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Man, you could see talking about the steam was coming
through through his collar because everybody's looking at him, and
he was like this end on a national stage.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Treat me like that. Oh man.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
He's had that throat in his throat ever since about
Barack Obama.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Well yeah, man, I'm telling you it's it's just too
much when it deals with that.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Thanks for your time. Man.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
We've got the bishops standing by ready to share some
information with us today so that we can keep learning activists.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Kenneth Bishop Canty is standing by.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
All right, Bishop grind Rising. Welcome to the program.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
Y'all doing up there in DC.

Speaker 6 (10:58):
We're still learning, Brother, We're blessed.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Bishop.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Thanks, Bishop, were wanting to find out about jam Master J.
Before we do that, just tell us about your relationship
to jam Master J.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
Well, first, that's a common nomenclature mistake. A lot of
people make it's grand Master J, doctor John Fitzgerald Johnson.
A lot of people get him mixed up with the
former famous DJ that run DMC, jam Master J. But
it's grand Master J. So my relationship with him started

(11:37):
in twenty twenty during the uprisings over Breonna Taylor, George Floyd,
A'mad Aubury, and Treyford Pellering. Some of those names are
more familiar to folks than others, just because of the
what was going on at that time. But those four names,

(11:59):
as well as thousands of others, are crucial and understanding
who Graham Master Jay is and why he did what
he did and why he is where he is right now.
To be very short, to make a long story of
short story, I like thousands, tens of thousands of other

(12:20):
of us were as as we looked at the situation,
I think and looked at what was going on in
this country and look at what has gone on in
this country about twenty twenty, due to various reasons. We
were all extremely frustrated and ready to do something. And

(12:43):
a lot of people tie it to George Floyd that
last week in May of two thousand and twenty, but
it really goes back to a moud Aubury in February
and what happened in early May when that video was
as And for me, I had my own situation, my

(13:03):
own story dealing with systemic racism, and it was at
a high, high level, dealing with large companies and large
state and freberal entities. And I had hit my wall
and I was sick of it, and I realized that

(13:23):
everything up to that point had been just a step
in the process, but it really didn't address it. And
when I saw those brothers in Brunswick, Georgia, providing security
and bringing attention and making some very powerful statements, their

(13:47):
words were huge, but their actions were huge over a
moud Aubury, I had to step in.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
And for the folk who don't know about Grand Master
Jay Bishop tell us about how give us his story,
the backstory, because you know his story was at the
front of the pages, on the top of the line,
and people were talking about We talked about it. We
had him on the radio here a few times as well.
But after he got arrested, it seems to have faded
from the consciousness and people have you know, very few

(14:20):
people have been tracking what he's been up to, how
he's been doing since he's been incarcerated, before he got incarcerated.
Please share with the audience or what he did or
what they claim he did.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
Okay, So, grand Master Jay had always been known as
a teacher and as an activist, going back to when
the Black Lives Matter movement wasn't about an organization but
was about a movement, going all the way back to
two thousand and fourteen. He was very involved in some

(14:55):
of the things that went on in Charleston, which is
where I happened to say, where I happened to reside
for the last twenty five years, Charleston, South Carolina, with
Walter Scott, and even putting together the response for the
Emmanuel Nine. He you know, to be to again to

(15:17):
make a long story short story, he saw what was
happening with a mad Aubury because that's really where it
started and he was one of the first folks in
our contemporary history to put together armed formations utilizing the

(15:43):
Second Amendment in the first Amendment. There are others that
did it before, and we know about the Panthers, We
know about this some of the other things that went
on before that, because the Second Amendment has been part
of our constitution ever since the country was founded. But
he and the he for us is the first person

(16:06):
to put the two way with the one a and
get a response from the powers that be started in Brunswick.
Everybody remembers Stone Mountain. I'm sure fifty over fifteen hundred
armed black Americans answering the call to the ku Kuk

(16:26):
Klan about killing people on July fourth. It then went
to Louisville to stand up for transparency in the case
of Breonna Taylor, with well over thirty five hundred armed citizens,
armed black citizens showing up to the Kentucky Derby, which

(16:46):
completely they said it was covid that the Kentucky by
the Kentucky Derby didn't happen, though it was grand Master
Jay in the organization he founded the n fact that
not that's an around coalition who bought economic pain to
the State of the Carmonwealth of Kentucky and the City
of Louisville to bring that case, to bring more transparency

(17:10):
that case, and then to Lafayette, Louisiana portrayed Ford Teller
and as a voting rod working with the NAACP because
at that time the election was going to be in
a bottom.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
And Bishop hold I thought, right there, we got to
step aside for a few months. Hold I thought, I'll
let you pick it up on the other side. Family,
just waking up seventeen minutes after that top of the eye,
the Bishop is with us. The Bishop Canty. He's a
close associate of a Grand Master Jay who's in prison
and some people say he's a political prisoner. And the
Bishop has giving us some details how Grandmaster Jay got
involved in why he's being in prison. Right now, you

(17:45):
want to join this conversation, reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take the phone calls next.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
And Grand Rising Family. Facts of waking up with us
on this Tuesday morning. I guess there is a Bishop Canty.
Bishop Canty is an associated of Grandmaster Jay. And Grandmaster J
is in prison for doing something that and you know,
Bishop's going to explain what he did. Part of the problem.
Why we are having the Bishop on it. Give us
an update on Grandmaster J once. Uh, people like Grandmaster
J was actually doing protesting for some of the injustices

(18:40):
there and people, and they are incarcerated. They seem to
be forgotten. We just don't remember them, We don't honor them,
we don't talk about them. It's okay, they're on their own.
So we want to throw the spotlight on grand Master
J right now, who's doing time. So, uh, Bishop pick
up the story again and tell us how Grandmaster J
how he got in prisoned.

Speaker 7 (19:00):
Sure, So we just finished off with telling about the
arm formations that were getting huge results in twenty twenty
despite the massive media shadow banning of it. I mean,
they were showing up on international TV more than was
showing up on domestic television. You know, if they don't

(19:23):
want you to see something, they hide it, right. So
come December of December, third fourth of twenty twenty, basically
what showed up at Graham Master Jay's house was a
well overall platoon size force military force anybody who's in

(19:44):
the military will know that those numbers, well over fifty men,
heavily armed men showed up to arrest them. And he
was shocked, of course, as anybody would be at five
in the morning when your door's broken down and there's
a drone above your head, thing, what what are you
guys here for? And they basically said, because you pointed

(20:08):
a rifle at us back in three months ago, back
in Louisville in early September, when you showed up for
the Kentucky derby.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
And so what was the official charge or point? What
was the weapon? Well, how did they came, how did
they coach?

Speaker 7 (20:28):
The official charge was assaulting and impeding a federal officer.
So what they said he did was that he had
shined a flashlight on a rooftop. And if anybody remembers
what was going on in Louisie at that time, there
were massive threats. There were snipers that were white militias,

(20:49):
they were even young young people shooting people from rooftops
and threatening to do so. And he reacted to what
he perceived to be a threat shining a flashlight up
there didn't see anybody, you know, the hallmark of what

(21:12):
he was doing was he was working with law enforcement
to do these When I say working with I mean
in coordination with law enforcement to do these formations. You
can't pull in thirty five hundred arm heavily armed people
to a city and not work with law enforcement. It'll
be consider an invasion. They came out, they coordinated on

(21:35):
the next day what was going to go on? And
he did the formation and left town. So three months
later they show up and say, you pointed a rifle
at us and part of his when he was released
after you know, they put you on a hold and
they release you. And this is why you hadn't heard

(21:56):
of it and why they were able to quiet it
down because he was famous for his YouTube show and
it's still an active channel, the Official the Official Grand
Master Jay on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Let me ask you the bishop. Did they actually point
the rifle or was it a flashlight? How do you
what did he say he did?

Speaker 7 (22:17):
He said he panned the rooftop. The flashlight was on
the rifle. Remember this was a This is something that
happened and literally less than five seconds, he shinned the flashlight,
didn't see anything and kept going because he he what
he perceived as a threat because this was at night

(22:38):
in Louisville.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
So and so they charged so months later, weeks later
they charge him for brandishing or.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
Was it months later? Oh wow?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
So did they have him on tape? Did they have
him on film Bishop doing that?

Speaker 7 (22:57):
They? Yes, but they never released the film. They released
one still shot and said this is what you did.
And when you look at the still shot, they're completely
honest with you. You can see that it's doctored by
the way the shadows lie. So part of the reason,
a good part of the reason they were able to

(23:17):
get away with this is they said, look, if you
want to get out and fight your case, you can
either stay in here until we determine you have a trial,
but we'll let you out, and we'll only let you
out if part of your conditions is you cannot do
any more YouTube shows or go on live and tell
people what happened. We basically are taking away your First

(23:39):
Amendment rights right out of conviction, and you can do interviews,
but you can't do live interviews. And then pretty much
they snuffed that out as well. That's why you didn't
hear back from him, because he wasn't allowed to go
on any programs, any live programs to talk about what

(24:01):
was going on.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
And this is I felt right there twenty six slid.
This is why he was incarcerated, or while the charges
were still pending, or the charges are filed, and he
was waiting at the trial.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
It was still pending in December of twenty twenty. The
indictments and everything else came in late January twenty twenty one,
and then the actual charges. And remember he and this

(24:36):
is the part that a lot of people don't know,
he was charged in both state in federal court for
the same charge, which is highly unusual that they're going
to go after you with both barrels on both charges.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
They do it.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
Sometimes, but this was somewhat unusual. Usually one takes it
and the other one sits back. This time, it was
like a cat and mouse geme. The state would take it,
then the federal would take it, then it would switch
back to the state, and then it finally switched back
to the federal. And that lasted from his arrest in

(25:19):
December twenty twenty all the way until May of twenty
twenty two, so basically for eighteen months this was going
on where he was completely silenced. He couldn't leave the
state of Ohio or Kentucky, and he couldn't go and
do his program and talk about what happened, because his

(25:41):
program would typically have well over fifty thousand listeners in
evening when he did his teachings in the evening called
Facts over Feelings, and then when he did his morning
mental which was just a stream of consciousness that he
would do in the morning, and it was really talking
to a lot of people. That's why it grew so

(26:02):
quick because people could relate to what he was saying
and how he was saying. So he is then convicted
in May of twenty twenty two, and the ironic thing,
I'm not gonna say. I'm not going to use the
word ironic. The nineteen ninety four Crime Bill, also known

(26:25):
as the Biden Crime Bill, was what was used to
convict him and to give him seven years in two
months in federal prison.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Repeat that didn't have any time. How much time he did.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
He get, no, the gravity of that.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Bishop how much time did he get.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
Seven years and two months, basically eighty four months.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
So how long has he been in jail now? In prison?

Speaker 7 (26:59):
He's been in jail now as of last May twenty seventh.
It's been exactly three years, so call it three years
and three years and two months so far.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
So does he have to do the full time or
can he get out early? Can he on appeal or.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
His schedule? Well, no, he already appealed. They deny that
he has got a compassionate release in and we'll I'll
get to that in a second. But basically his release
date right now is twenty twenty eight And anybody familiar
with the several sentencing in the first step back, it

(27:37):
reduces for every certain amount of time you serve on
good behavior, it gets reduced. And right now he's projected
to get out if he's not released on the compassion
or release or of clemency. It's twenty twenty seven. Somewhere
in somewhere around the middle of twenty twenty seventh is

(28:00):
what is calculated to be.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Will jump and ask you it's thirty minutes after the
top day, Bishop. Do you think this was a move
just to silence him because they saw what he was doing?
And how's your the response he was getting There was
a media platform from around the country or around the
world at that matter.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
Yes, that was that was exactly the big reason why
they hadn't seen somebody get us black folk moving the
way we were moving into over sixty years. And you
know what they did to those folks. And and I
can say this personally, I was at I was, I

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was at a couple of those formations. I was also
at the Million Man March in nineteen ninety five. It
was a million Man Marchs type of energy that you
felt when you were there, except it was in a
military formation. So you can imagine standing on the parade

(29:03):
deck and having regiments of people around you, all on
the same code, and you all are wired into the
same thing. That's exactly what it was like. And they
saw that, and they saw that it was perfectly legal
because it used their rules, and they saw what it

(29:23):
was doing. It was affecting change, it was getting laws changed.
A lot of that stuff got pushed under the rugs.
But why did Georgia have its citizens arrest code modified?
It was because of showing up at Brunswick. Why did
no knock warrants get the game un lawful? It was

(29:47):
because of what happened in Louisville and the fact that
it was completely peaceful, you know, and it didn't fit
the narrative of what they try to say about us,
because these were law abiding citizens, a lot of military veterans,
but a lot of professionals, and at a huge diverse

(30:09):
population of black folks came together in peace and they
didn't like that, because when we come together like that,
we get things done. So it was absolutely there was
absolutely a pushback on what was happening politically at the time,
and because they couldn't fit him in just one narrative, Oh,

(30:32):
he's a Democrat, he's a Republican, because he's neither. He
disman had run for president as an independent, He had
done many things in his life, and a lot of
people were relating to witness said, look, that's a little
bit of me. I can relate to that. So it

(30:54):
was absolutely a snapback. And that's why we judge him
as a political person, because if you compare his actions
to anybody else, you know, at the very most you
could chalk it up to is a is a misunderstanding
of what happened. You would have fought after the change

(31:14):
in administration that the new Justice Department coming in in
twenty twenty one would have said, this is clearly a
huge misunderstanding. You were being politically persecuted. We're gonna, we're gonna,
we're gonna drop this because you clearly weren't trying to
threaten any police officers. But when the but the prosecution

(31:36):
still occurred under the Biden administration. So this was this
was a political hit job, is what it was.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
All right, and Howl left the right. There, we got
some folks who wanted to talk to you already, Bishop,
Bishop Candies. I guess family just waking up here is
giving us an update on a grand Master Jay. He's incarcerated,
the accused of pointing a brandishing a weapon. It was
a flash lad at some federal off just and all
this is done about the demonstrations of sound the Midwest.
What are your thoughts? You can join the conversation by

(32:06):
reaching out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six marks online two calling
from Baltimore City Marketing. I'm with Bishop Candy.

Speaker 9 (32:15):
Yes, their good morning, Kim. And this is very fascinating
because I was not really aware of even who Grandmaster
Jay is and all that. But the question is because
you mentioned that he is making an appeal or clemency
and the likes. So I wanted to know if there's
what we call a defense fund where we can send
contributions to or any sort of aid. And I don't know,

(32:38):
I'm assuming, I don't know if he's married or not,
or I'm assuming he has a family, how they're being
taken care of during this time peert while he's in prison.
So I just wanted us fund to support here it's
defense and also support his family as well. Or what
do you know about that?

Speaker 8 (32:53):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (32:57):
Yes, I thank you for Mark, thank you for calling
from Baltimore, and thank you for the question. There is
a fund. It's grand Master's Free grand Master j On
go fund me and I will send that. You can
you can find that right online if you go to
fund me and type in the official grand Master J

(33:22):
it will show up and we and that is his
legal fund. He he right now and this is a
good time to get to get into this, brother Nelson,
if this is okay, But this man has gone through
two heart surgeries inside of a federal prison. He was

(33:48):
cut open, he had various parts of his heart. You know,
he was repaired, and we a lot of us use
that as a function of what happened in the prison
when you go into prison, and he has then applied
for a compassionate release to the tick Circuit for that

(34:12):
the very detailed document that is available online for anybody
who knows where to find federal documents on pacer dot gov.
And when you read it, you will be I'm not
going to say surprised, because anybody who's dealt with the
system before nothing surprises you.

Speaker 8 (34:29):
But you will be.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Astonished at what he's gone through inside that prison. So
but you can go to the Grand Master j Legal
Defense Fund and go fund me. It's there, and then
you can also go to Justice for the Number four
GMJA dot com and that website has luminous information regarding

(34:54):
as family. I do want to touch on that for
a quick second.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
He lost the whole I thought right there because we're
I get caught up in the latest news, trafficking weather
at different cities. I'll let you talk about his family.
It's fascinating because you know, people think that when you're
doing time, your family is doing time as well. So
that's a great question from Mark from Baltimore. You two
family can join this conversation that guest Bishop Canty would
give us an update on Grand Master Jay's incarcerated, accused
of threatening federal officials and it's a clues of brandishing

(35:23):
a shotgun at them. What are your thoughts though? It's
sort of incredible story we're hearing this morning, family, but
I'll tell you what. Let's get caught up on the
news trafficking wether, then we'll take you more over your
phone calls for Bishop Canty.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Next.

Speaker 2 (35:38):

Speaker 3 (36:02):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for joining us on
this Tuesday morning. Thanks for getting up with us at
seventeen minutes away. From the top of that, I guess
is Bishop Canty. Bishop is of associate of Grand Master Jay,
who's inconcerted is a political prisoner. You're hearing the story
is part of the group and I fac those of
you know what that means. We don't have to repeat
it on the radio, but you know what it means.

(36:22):
It's gives us an update on how Grand Mester Jay's
doing behind bars and start the show. Before we go
back to you, No, we've got to remind you. Coming
up later this morning, we're going to speak with one
of our top scholars. That would be Professor mannu Wan Pinned.
Just back from Kemick and Ethiopia. Also, Dr Denise Turtley
is going to join us pre you. Her AI Artificial
Intelligence conference is coming up, and later this week you're

(36:44):
going to hear from Professor James small So DC actress
doctor Kokai Patterson will be here and blog a political
Bloger Brandon will also join it. So if you are
in Baltimore and make sure your radar is locked in
tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the
DMV family around FM ninety five point nine at am
fourteen fifty. Wh Yeah, all right, Bishop, I'll let you
finish your thought. I got some bunch of false questions
for you, so let you finish your thought. Interrupt Oh,

(37:08):
no problem, no problem.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
You know we gotta we gotta have the commercials and
pay the bills. Absolutely. In the spring of twenty twenty four,
brand Master Jay lost his mother. Imagine the pain of
losing your mother in normal in what you might call
normal circumstances, is the most devastating day of your life

(37:29):
for anybody who's gone through it, losing a parent, particularly
losing a mother. You lose your mother when you're in
prison for standing up for some some other folks and
you can't go to the service. That's the type of

(37:50):
things he's had to suffer through his family. We we
we hold them in prayer, we support them every way
we can as an organization. But the best thing you
can do to help to get the help is the
Legal Defense Fund, which is on go fund me. Just

(38:15):
just google go fund me, grand Master Jay, and we'll
come right up. It's the Legal Defense Fund being administered
by doctor Eleanor Harvey. That's how you can tell it's
the official one.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Right holds. Sorry that Let's take some of the folks
who want to talk to you. Fourteen away from the
tops and Sabrina is checking in from DC. She's online.
Three grand rising sisters. Sabrina, you'ma bishop knty.

Speaker 10 (38:40):
Grand rity rising to you rather bless your morning. I
had a question and it's going to breathe. It be
a brief question looking at the Facebook on on for
support and if you can give that name out too,

(39:01):
I think it's oh, I've probably got to confuse with
the title. But the Facebook's support online. He's had problems
getting mail within the the system, so I saw the
last update on that and if you can explain on that,

(39:23):
thank you, thank.

Speaker 7 (39:25):
You, thank you. Yes, there has been a huge problem,
particularly in the last few months, of him getting mail.
The way to deal with that is to flood the
prison with mail, because then they have no choice but
to give it to them. And I will give you

(39:47):
give you that address right now. He is in f
c I, Ashland, and it is The mailing address is
John F. Johnson number two zero two five seven five
zero nine s c I, Ashland, Federal Correctional Institute, Peel

(40:12):
box six zero zero one, Ashland, Kentucky four one one
zero five. And send a letter, drop a line, send
two sentences. Tell them about your day. Anybody who's locked away,

(40:32):
you know, just just hearing something and interacting is a
very important thing, whether it's with family or or with strangers.
The Grand Master Jay's family is is is all of us.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Right now, right to the right address right and we'll
give that address before you leave. Some more folks want
to talk to you as well. At twelve minutes away
from the top. As he raised the clock, Eagle Eye
is online four calling from Montana. Eagle Eye Grand Rising
around with Bishop Canty, Grand.

Speaker 11 (41:09):
Rising Mister Nelson and Grand Rising Brother Bishop. I just
wanted to make basically a comment about Grandmaster J and
what has happened to him. Every time there's a black
leader for the African American people, are black people here
in America, that he always become a target. If you

(41:35):
look at even in peaceful times like Martin Luther King
that preached peace, they targeted him, Malcolm X, they targeted him,
and any other brother that steps up, they're targeting him.
Grand Master J brought a bunch of Black Americans together

(41:58):
to try to find just because we know that our
old pressure is not giving us justice when our children
are being shot in the back and no white kids
are being shot in the back but doing exactly the
same thing, are much worse. People treat you the way
you allow them to. Grand Master Jay stood up. A

(42:23):
lot of us veterans are standing up. We're not going
to have our kids murdered on the streets just like that.
If we don't stick together, then we will continue to
be murdered on the streets. We have to stick together.
And what Grand Mess Jay did was he brought us together.
And any black man that can bring black people together,

(42:46):
especially armed, especially armed, you are a target. And that
man is in jail, not because of pointing a weapon
at someone. He may be in jail because of pointing
the weapon towards someone. That was their excuse that they
could hide behind. But seven years, are you serious? Seven years?

(43:11):
Come on, man, there's people in jail that don't committed murder.
Got three years? Come on? Now, you know what this is.
This man is a political prisoner. He was targeted and
anybody else and everybody else to step up in a
position that's going to be a leader for the black people,
especially armed, you're target So you better not make no

(43:31):
mistakes because any mistake that you make, you're going to
be right there where Grandmaster Jay is right now, because
you will be a political prisoner because they do not
like you when you can bring black people together, even
in peace, nevertheless with arms.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, I'll shay to that, brother, Bishop, you want to
respond to what I just said.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
Thank you for calling brother from the Big Sky Country, Montana.
He's absolutely right. The thing that makes this even so remarkable,
and Grandmaster Jay his character is you knew we, we

(44:17):
knew you, and I'm sure he knew. One day they're
either gonna assassinate me or gonna're gonna jail me. But
I'm gonna still continue to move forward, and just to
talk about because I could tell by eagle eye and
what he was saying he understands character and integrity. Just

(44:37):
by what he said, I could I could hear that
in his voice. This man was offered plea deals, Hey,
give up, you know, just go away and say you'll
never do this again, and say that you did this,
and we'll we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we won't
put you in jail. Go ahead and tell us everybody

(44:58):
who was out there and he formations because we don't
know who they are, and we won't put you in jail.
And he said, no, I'm innocent. I didn't do anything wrong.
And that's the thing is the federal government gets has
such a high commission rate because people plead even if

(45:19):
they're innocent, they know they didn't do it. They get
poor representation and they plead and they plead out and
they get a minimum amount of time even though they
weren't guilty. In this case, grand Master j stood up
and said, no, if my sacrifice won't be in vain,
I'm going to document and show folks how I fought back,

(45:40):
and perhaps somebody else can use. If I don't make
it out of this, somebody else can use this lesson.
I can tell you that what I've learned out of it,
just personally in what I do in my professional life,
there's a lot of lessons of how do you fight
the federal government if they're the ones coming at you?

(46:00):
How do you fight the powers that be? And it
may appear that he lost and he's and he's made
the work, and it is absolutely that way. He has
made some serious sacrifices of his life of it for
his family and for those who loved and dependent on

(46:22):
him as a father figure. But it'll be in vain
if we don't take something out of it and stand
up and stand up for whatever you believe. You have
to stand up, and you may be if you're all
alone and you're standing up, believe the others will come

(46:43):
behind you when they see that you're righteous. They absolutely
will you. But you have to start by standing up.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
All right, Well, the herd, because I got some more
folks want to talk to you. Sticks away from the
top of let's go to Philadelphia. Corporal is online too,
Grand rising corporal with a bishop County.

Speaker 12 (47:02):
Grand Rising grandbris and brother first of all I want
to thank you. I want to thank you brother. A
lot of black media especially have been not paying attention
or either don't know about this situation and refused to
hear what's going on or here what's been going on.

(47:22):
So I want to thank you personally for doing this
as also I'm an associate of Grand Master Jay, and
I would like to say part of the problem that
we have been seeing is that the federal government went
after Grand Master Jay, not only for what he did
before what he was getting ready to do. There was

(47:46):
a big thing coming up in summer of twenty twenty
one that he was getting ready to do, and he
mentioned it a lot of a couple of times on
his program, Facts over Feelings, and the federal government was
really afraid made of what that would have meant for
black people in this country, and that was one of

(48:06):
the reasons why they went after him. You know, they
made basically, they made up a charge and they put
it on and they got him convicted for that so
that he couldn't do what he was getting ready to do,
and that that in itself would have sparked a lot
more people to flow towards the movement. What I will say,

(48:27):
is this when it comes to this, this black power
movement that we that we see going on in this
country today, what we need to do as a community
is come together as a community and move as one.
I've said it plenty of times and I will say
it again. Other communities they move is one when they
need to get something done, whether it's the Jewish community,

(48:48):
the Latin community, the Asian community, whatever community you want
to talk about, they move as one. And our community
has not been moving as one. And that's why we
are not held in high regard and we're not taking
it seriously by the powers that be. So what we
need to do is move is one, and I imploy
all of the people in this movement to come together

(49:09):
and move the one. Stop the backstating, stop the infighting,
and let's move as a cohesive unity. Brothers, right, I
thank you, I definitely thank you for doing this energy
Chillon brothers, all.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Right, thank you, Corporal calling for Philly and he's right now.
The other groups, say, Neelie Fuller has been teaching us
for years. They stay on code. We're too busy infighting
and sniping at each other. And that's how they and
that's how they pick us up. Listen, uh, I know
you want to respond to what corporate from Philly said, Bishop,
So I'll let you do that after we check the
traffick and weather in our different cities. It's three minutes

(49:45):
away from the top of our family. Bishop County is
our guest. These some associated Grand Master Jay, who is
the political prisoner, and he'll give us an update on
his condition on how you can reach him when we
get back. After we check the traffic and weather in
our different cities.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
You're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
You're facing with the most submiss.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yourself, Grand Rising Family. Thanks, she's on on your Tuesday

(50:33):
with us. I guess this is a Bishop Candy has
given us an update on political prisoner Grand Master Jay,
and moment tell you we'renna speak with doctor Denise Turley.
We're going to talk about AI artificial intelligence. But I know, Bishop,
you want to respond to what Corporal and Philly.

Speaker 7 (50:46):
Said, Yeah, yes, brother, what Corporal and Philly was referring
to what was going to be the million man million
Gun Formation. And these formations weren't just done because it
was a great fun thing to do. They were done
because they were the first process in nation building. In

(51:06):
order to have a nation, you have to have a military,
but in order to get reparations, you have to have
a nation. See how these things are all connected. And
what grand Master j was planning, and each formation was
a building block to that, was to get a million
armed African Americans and a million other folks who couldn't

(51:29):
be armed because of legal reasons and get together and
do a population demonstration for paperwork that had already been
filed with the World Court. And if you go to
grand Master pages, Grandmaster Jay's page on YouTube, it's a
video called The Way Out where he explains it. It's

(51:50):
an hour and thirty three minutes. I employ everybody to
watch that The Way Out on his YouTube page, the
official Grand Master Jay. And that's why they went after
him because then.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Asked you this question, though, Bishop, you know all of that, well,
not all of them, Many of our freedom fighters, whether
it be uh Chium and Fred, doctor King Malcolm had
they had people in the group who were selling them out?
Dudecuse does he think they had? You know, the government
had people in NFAC who were selling out. Drawing dimes

(52:25):
on Grandmaster Jay.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
I'm sure they were. But here's the thing. There was
nothing there to sell out because nothing was illegal, and
even if if if anything is is is done legal,
and according to Hoyle, they'll find a reason. So yeah,
they're most likely were. I'm not going to say that
there wasn't, but there was a reason why this took

(52:52):
as long as it did, and they took the charge
they put on them. They were trying to put them
away for life in prison. The original charge carried over
thirty years and for a man that was almost sixty
years old, that's a life sentence. But after the trial, this,
after rand Messy Jay's statement, after all the letters of support,
I was personally there. I saw this. The judge tore

(53:15):
up his sentencing and the judge gave him the minimum
amount of time that he could. And the judge distinctly said,
I'm doing this because Congress makes me do it because
of the Biden climb built so they if there was
something nefarious going on like some people try to allege,

(53:38):
which it wasn't, he would have been put away for
the rest of his life or they would have just
killed him. When we were out there in twenty twenty,
so you know, we learned from our past. We learned
from our mistakes as a people. And the reason why
you don't hear a bunch of people talking off the

(54:00):
cough of the n f A C Is because we're
a very focused organization of our eyes on the prize.
And you've heard from a couple of folks this morning,
Proden Corporal. So we learned from our mistakes. We don't
allow those who have ulterior motives to get close to us.

(54:22):
And when we and when they and if they happen
to we kindly ask them to exit.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
Good for you. We're racing the clock.

Speaker 7 (54:32):
It's a strange thing.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, Bishop, we're raising the clocket. We've got to get
it to our next guest. But let me ask you
this before you give out information about uh Grandmaster Jay.
How's her spirits? How's how's he because you mentioned he
had two heart surgeries? Well incarcerated, but how's her spirits?
How's he doing?

Speaker 6 (54:49):
Emotional spirits are high.

Speaker 7 (54:51):
I've never met a man more mentally and spiritually focused
on what the mission is. You know, he's in a
place where you know he's got a the audience he
was trying to reach to anybody who listened to him
knows he was always trying to get to the folks
behind the wall. That was actually always part of the mission.

(55:13):
But like anybody else, he's ready to come home. He's
he's he he knows he doesn't deserve to be there.
He's watched all these other people be pardoned and commutated
and gotten out, yet he's there. So we've got a
compassionate release in. We're waiting on the judge to rule

(55:33):
on that. That's been in since last October. I think
there are political reasons why it hasn't been ruled, but
eventually it will probably tied to the Brad Hankinson case
which just got concluded. And there's also a commutation that's
been in since November, since the last administration that we
hope that the partons are No matter which way you

(55:54):
feel about this administration, that's who the president is, so
you've got to deal with them. And there's a there's
a commutation in right now as well as compassionate release.
People can go to Justice for GMJ dot com and
see all that information.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
And folks who want to reach in let us of support.
Can you give us information again, Bishop.

Speaker 7 (56:18):
Yeah, Justice for GMJ dot com. You can go to
the go fundme, the official grand Master j excoose me
on YouTube, the Official grand Master J on YouTube. Justice
for GMJ dot com is the advocacy website run by

(56:39):
the Brigham Home Campaign, And then you can go on
on on go fundme and typing grand Master J and
his information will come up to go fund me being
administered by Eleanor Harvey. And if you don't mind, I'd
like to thank uh to particular organizations. The National Action

(57:01):
Network out of Louisville we've worked with very closely and
has been most helpful and has stood in the gap.
Thank you to the folks out there, they know who
they are. And then I also want to thank the
Community Defense of Eastern Tennessee organizations who they are strict
abolitionist organizations who has helped us greatly get attention on

(57:23):
his pardon and his commutation. The Community Defense of Education
Fund may help a lot of folks who have been
incarcerated and support the families, and we proudly stand with
both of those organizations out of Tennessee and Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
All Right, this we gotta cutting things, got to get
to doctor Charlie. But how can folks reach you? Do
you have an email address if people want more information
on grand Master Jay and then a fac.

Speaker 7 (57:50):
Yeah, I can be waged at Bishop at FDNMI dot us,
Bishop at FDMI dot us. And they call me Bishop,
not because I am wonder because of the way I move.
I'll tell you that. So I don't want to pretend
like I'm somebody I'm not. But I appreciate the name

(58:13):
in which you have given me and I will live
up to it. But Bishop at FDMI dot us, and
I will respond to you and give you any information
that you require to help this brother and to help
our people.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
And Bishop keep us in the loop, let us know
how he's doing. And I thank you for sharing this
information with us this morning.

Speaker 7 (58:33):
Thank you very much for the opportunity. Shaloon to everybody
and have a wonderful and prosperous day.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
All right, family ten after top, let's turn attention now
to our next guest, doctor Denise Turley, Doctor Turlly grand
Rising in, thanks for being so patient with us.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
Good morning, good morning, grand Rising Doctor Turley.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
You know we've got to give you your if. We
have an initiation process here for new guests, so please
just give us a little bit of your background. How
did you get started dealing with AI?

Speaker 13 (59:01):
Oh, so, I've been in technology for a while, over
a decade. Just I kind of got into it accidentally
working at an organization that was gone through a lot
of growth and really just couldn't hire people fast enough,
so we started building tools using technology, and ever since
then I have just kind of loved it. We've been

(59:22):
working on automations for a long time, but you know,
about two and a half years ago, when chat gupt
became available publicly, I just out right in just started
really learning as much as I can, building as much
as I could, and it's just been a journey since then.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Well I miss you this so because A I am
PACTI just about everybody on this planet. Everybody at some
point we have to interact with something as artificial intelligence.
Some people don't even know it's AI that we're dealing with.
Are there many people like yourself who look like you
involved in the upper excellence of AI artificial intelligence making decisions? Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:00:00):
They really aren't, are there?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:00:03):
And we know that already, And that's part of why
I'm really trying hard to be more visible so that
people in our community can see people who look like us,
but there aren't There aren't enough women that absolutely are
not many women of color.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Oh wow, twelve out the top of the are. I
got to ask you this question though, How is AI
expected to impact jobs in our community, especially for women,
and what types of jobs should be watching closely? And
especially the folks who are in high school now thinking
about college careers. What sort of advice did you have
for them as well?

Speaker 13 (01:00:42):
Yeah, it's really interesting. We are, I think, at a
place that I've certainly never seen in my lifetime, right,
and so we've had AI for you news news. AI
in and of itself is new but generative AI, right,
that's the new stuff that is going to be hugely,

(01:01:03):
massively disruptive on our household, on our jobs and our
ability to generate incomes. And so when I think about jobs,
there's let's look at it, administrative roles, right, they're starting
to be automated technical roles, coders, engineers. We will all

(01:01:24):
want safe there's no longer any safety neres. Those are
also starting to be automated medical fields, careers even like
you know, taxi drivers, long haul transportations, we've got autonomous
vehicles coming in, right, So there's almost no career field

(01:01:46):
that isn't going to be impacted and experienced job loss right,
which translates to household loss, human loss. You know, when
we think about all of the areas that were already
struggle with in our community, the impact could really be
massive if you don't stop and stop thinking about change.

Speaker 14 (01:02:07):
Now.

Speaker 13 (01:02:07):
When you talk about high school students, I get really
excited about high school students because I think that they
right now are getting ready to have a tremendous amount
of opportunity as they think about college or when they
think about what their next career might be. If they
start jumping in and learning about jennertor they are now
they're going to prepare themselves.

Speaker 10 (01:02:28):
For the future.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
Fourteen and a half, that's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Doctor Denise Turley's I guess family got questions a bit
about AI artificial intelligence.

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
This is lady.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
You need to talk to Shaving the conference as well,
that's coming up if you want to learn more about AI,
because AI is impacting just about everything that we touch.
But I'll ask you this, though, our brothers and sisters
on the continent, are they lagging far behind or are
they because some of them, in some instances they missed
the analog era and they jump right into the digital
are they were doing banking with their phones before we

(01:03:01):
were doing it? In some instances, how are they doing
that firing? As far as AI is concerned, you.

Speaker 13 (01:03:07):
Know, we're a little bit slower. I think that we
are starting to catch up. But there's opportunities for us
within the entire community to really start understanding and recognizing
the impact. But it's not just the impact, right, it's
that there's opportunity here for us to build and to

(01:03:27):
create in a way that I don't think it's been
able to do before so easily. So we are a
little bit behind. Some of that might just be that
we're not talking about this enough in our community, right,
So we're burying our heads in our fend. We're just
getting on doing life, right. We're doing the stuff that
we always do that we need to do. We go
in the world, we're raising our kids, we're doing all

(01:03:48):
those things. We're not really spending enough time to recognize
really what's happening right beneath our feet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Yeah, fifteen and a half the time doctor Denie's Charlie
talking about AI official family got questions reach out to
us in eight hundred four five zero, seventy eight, seventy six. Oh,
Kevin's got a question. Good, yeah, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Good, Good morning, doctor Turley.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
It's a pleasure to have you here with us talking
about the advancements in our technology.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
How are you feeling today?

Speaker 13 (01:04:20):
Thank you so much for asking. I'm feeling great. It's
my pleasure to be able to be on the show
with you guys this morning, so it's a great morning
to me. How about you?

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Excellent, Thanks for asking. I was speaking with a colleague
just yesterday and he was saying that he uses AI
for consulting like a companion, and as I do my
Google surges, that's how I figure out things.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
I Google everything right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
And as he was talking about that, there are AI
companions now like Replica and no Me and other software
that actually people who are lonely or people who want
someone to talk to. You know, you can talk to
the AI as though it's a person, even though it

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is not emotional, but it can allow someone with some
issues or something that they can talk to it. And
of course it stays there opposed to any secrets going out.
When we come back from our promotional considerations, I'd like
for you to talk about that the advent of AI
companionship for people nowadays?

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Are you seeing a huge rise in that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
All right, A good question, Thank you, Kevin. As you
mentioned Lockie Tail, we got to step aside for a
few months. When come back, I'll let you respond to
his question. Now, can you have a conversation through AI?
That means you don't need to even deal with anybody
on a personal level. You can talk to the computer
and have a great conversation word for word, personal friends
computers AI.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Family, reach out to us at eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take the phone
calls next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Thank grad Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us.
And I guess doctor Denise Turli she's an AI artificial
intelligence expert, and she's going to be teaching a class
on AI next month and you don't have.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
To be there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
You could use zoom because she's all over the country,
all over the world. You can get in on this
class and we'll tell you more about that boll before
she leaves. But doctor tell I want you to respond
to Kevin's question about AI replacing getting personally. You can
have a friend if you those people who who don't
have friends, they can have a I guess a creative
friend AI and half conversations about certain topics. I think

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that's where Kevin was going.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Well, yeah, I was, I was talking about the Yeah,
the concept of friendship itself is being challenged by AI
companions now and people can have a heart to heart talk,
you know, throughout the midnight hour when the things problems
are the most. Are you seeing you know, a growth
in using the AI companions?

Speaker 7 (01:07:27):
I am?

Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
I am, that's right. I mean I was just reading
an article last week about this. A couple of the
big players in this space, Microsoft and brought they recently
released new avatars, right, which makes it even more compelling.
So when people who are just texting back and forth
with the AI, you know, a year and a half ago,

(01:07:47):
when it first came out, that was really popular. But
then when voice mode came out, people really started to
mean in more to that, like because now you can
literally have a conversation in different voices and it sounds
like it's a real person. And now they've really up
the anty because they've came out with these avatars, right,
So you can choose an avatars that you like the best.

(01:08:10):
And that's really making more and more people jump into
losing AI for companionship. And we've seen it in so
many different way areas. There's just a friendship like you
talked about. Imagine so many people who are going through
loneliness or even mental health issues or depression or what
have you, and they can just have somebody available immediately

(01:08:30):
who can speak to them without judgment.

Speaker 10 (01:08:32):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:08:33):
There's also people who are using AI companions in a
romantic sense. Right, Imagine that you can create this AI
partner if you will visually however you like, and you know, listen,
you get home from work or you just want to
talk in the evening, you've got an AI companion that

(01:08:54):
it's always complementary, perhaps right, very rarely argative, and so
it is increasing. You're seeing more teams using it for friendship, homework, advice,
all kinds of things. And it's for the reasons Kevin
that you just mentioned. Right, They're always there, They're always on.
You don't have to worry about somebody being available at

(01:09:15):
two o'clock in the morning. Your AI companions right there.
And though they're not emotional, they do a really great
job at pretending that they are right, and so they
hook you in.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
Well, that's where critical thinking comes in. You've got to
realize you're talking to a machine. Even though as you
talk to AI, it learns more about who you are,
it learns more about how to respond to you, whether
you want wanted to be humorous or you want it
to be serious, or you want it to be you know,
hyper intelligent. You still have to recognize with your own

(01:09:52):
critical thinking that that information is coming from various sources.

Speaker 13 (01:09:57):
And do you agree, yeah, yeah, but you know what
I think, And those are the dangers, right because we
can say that right now, logically, I know I'm talking
to a machine. The thing is, it's so easy for
some people to get lost in those conversations and they'll
start to forget. The more that we're able to make
this resemble more human with an avatar, and soon we'll

(01:10:20):
be going to physical humanoid robots, I think the higher
the likelihood that people really start forming intense connections. In fact,
it's already happening. So I think the idea of critical thinking,
of remembering that this isn't a person, of remembering that
that it's these too dependent on this source for emotional support.

(01:10:44):
I think there's a real likelihood that people will start
to forget, they'll get lost in these relationships. And Kevin
mentioned something earlier that I wanted to highlight too, is
that not all AI is created equal. So we have
to make sure your conversations are right, be really careful
about what tools you're signing up for, and how much

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information about your SAPA are dealing because they're not necessarily private.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, well let me twenty five to top their family
doctor Denise Turley. She's having a conference on AI, a
training workshop if you will AI Auditional tellsend. So that's
what we're discussing this morning. But having said that, how
how do you know those secrets that you have in
these conversations with this spot or as close to transhumanism
as possible it is that somebody else won't be able

(01:11:30):
to hack into and get all the information. You know,
How do we know that what you just told, if
there might be some of your innermost secrets, that's your
enemy or somebody else can hack and get that information
use it against you.

Speaker 13 (01:11:44):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I think the short answer, the
truthful answer, is we don't. Right if we're really honest
without child. Every other months we hear in the news
of the largest organizations that encounter a breach.

Speaker 8 (01:11:58):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:11:58):
You don't get those notices in Hey, your credit hand's
been hacked, or so and so has been breached. I
won't mention any names, but in the last three weeks,
a huge company was just breeched.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:12:10):
So, while you have to make sure that there are
safeguards in place, we can't really promise that things will
never ever be revealed, right. We all have seen instances
where that happens. So we have to use caution as
we move forward. We have to make sure that we're
not sharing too much information that we wouldn't want public,

(01:12:32):
and we have to make sure that the tools we're
using at least attempts to give us an expectation of privacy.
Some of these new tools out there, they don't even
pretend that your conversations are private. And then there are
others that they really do attempts to safeguard all of
the information. They try to keep your conversations anonymous. They

(01:12:52):
don't share your data, so you have to know fools
behind the tools that you're using. But even then, even
the that's company sometimes for victims.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
All right twenty seven at the top there with doctor Turlie.
Doctor Tarlie, Why is it important to start teaching out
children about AI now? What should they be learning to
thrive in the future? And how young can we start
teaching them about AI?

Speaker 13 (01:13:17):
Well, I have a granddaughter who is four years old
and we already use it. So I think that you
can start teaching and showing and learning with them. You
can do things like story time at that time. With
my granddaughter, she loves unicorns, so we start creating drawings

(01:13:38):
of unicorns. It's always supervision. She's never using it by herself.
But it's important because this is how we're going to
earn a living. This is really our future, so it's
critical that they understand what it is and how they
use it. The other thing is there are so many
risks out there with AI, and the best way to

(01:14:01):
understand those risks is to learn about it, is to
educate yourself. Bias is an issue, right, things like we're
making really good progress, but we have to make sure
that we understand that these systems aren't always factual, that
there's bias. Right, you have to try prompting it to
create an image and you know, if you often if

(01:14:23):
you prompt it with an image of a doctor or
a scientist, what's returned to you is not a diverse
representation that includes our community often, right, So we have
to teach our young children that these tools are fantastic.
They can do a tremendous amount of good, but they

(01:14:43):
also create harm and we have to be aware of
that so that we can protect our sounds and we
can use it responsibly. We also want to make sure
that our children are involved because we need inclusiveness in
the higher level to a building and developing these systems. Right,
we don't want systems of a just built for us,
wants that built with us.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Well, doctorily, isn't there the I'm sorry, Karl, Okay, go ahead, Kevin, Well,
isn't there the the the prompt though? If you tell
Ai that you want a doctor uh that's black with
an afro or with dreadlocks, it'll design that. Because we're
in the age now where you can design your own movie,

(01:15:28):
which I think Hollywood might be in trouble now, because
you can design the characters, you can tell it what
the script should be, and you can actually design the
way you want the characters to Look, I mean, it
takes it takes a while to get the right prompt
you know, I want I want them brown eyes. I
want the scenery to be this, that and the third,

(01:15:49):
you know, and it might take a little while to
get that. But as long as the prompts are correct,
you can come up with something very very close to
what you want. And never mind the fact that you
can also take a photo a still photo now and
activate it and make it live and that's a fun thing.

Speaker 12 (01:16:07):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
What do you think about the prompts? Using the right prompts.

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
If you wanted to be a consultant, you wanted to
be a doctor, you wanted to be a friend, or
you wanted to be, you know, an instructor of you know,
how do you see that?

Speaker 13 (01:16:21):
Yeah, I think you're exactly right. I mean, and listen,
this technology has gone a long way in the two
and a half years that's been now publicly right. But
I would argue that why do I have to prompt
it right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Why do I have to learn?

Speaker 13 (01:16:33):
Why do I have to know to teal it that?
You know, that has to be inclusive representation? Right, So
here is exactly right. I can prompt it to have
somebody who is visually in head. I could compt it
with somebody who's in a wheelchair or somebody who is
African American versus agent. I would just argue that the
faults and it shouldn't always just be representative of one group, right,

(01:16:54):
it should be more representative of the world that we
live in, which is diverse.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
All right, Doctor Turlem, my question for you twenty nine
away from top of our family, just checking in doctor
Denise Turley's as we're talking about AI artificial intelligence. She's
going to have a workshop and you can get involved
and you can join this workshop next month. By the way,
doctor Turlie, how can we use AI to help us
our culture? Now we're getting our books are being stripped
from the libraries. They're going taking down everything, all the

(01:17:25):
all the achievements that we made through the civil rights
that are being replaced. How can we replace them and
replace the books and the information even if the other
folks don't care about them that our people can use them.

Speaker 6 (01:17:36):
How can we use AI to do that?

Speaker 10 (01:17:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:17:40):
I think AI is that's a fantastic question. I think
that it's important that we have to keep showing up
so we can still create content and we can create
content quickly. Right, So if you've got historical events that's
within your your families, within your generation, there's generational knowledge,
generational families, cultural that you want to capture and make

(01:18:01):
sure that they persist. You can use AI to generate those, right.
You can generate a book of the matter of an
of hours, generate movies, as Kevin was just saying, represent
yourselves in music and then publish them self published. Do
it in a low cost way. And then what will
start happening is I think Kevin was the one who said, look,

(01:18:22):
I google everything. Well, most people now are turning to
AI for everything, right, It's not Google. So as you
start creating this content, it will start showing up in
those AI searches. Right, we have FBO optimizations the websites.
We now have a AI optimization to be shown up

(01:18:43):
in the AI search. So we have to keep being present.
We have to still keep creating content, publishing content so
it still gets seen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Yeah, and I'm just saw an article and I'm glad
Kevin mentioned that. But and as you mentioned about Google,
that people are now going to AI instead of Google,
and sometimes Google is using AI to get the information
to respond. So They are concerned too, because the people
just think Google is free. We may be free on
the surface, but they that's how they make money, you know,
when you go in there, they sell the fact that

(01:19:13):
how many people you know have checked in? That's how
Google makes money. So they're concerned too about AI. But
my question is the conference that you have in next month,
can you tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 10 (01:19:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:19:26):
So with Black Woman's a Positive Change, So we're really
trying to lean in and I use that term all
the time. I need to find a new one, but
we're really trying to make sure that we're driving awareness
in the community about AI, right, and it's not about
the AI. We don't really care about the technology pspareble.
What we care about is making sure that our community
understand what impact might it have to whether that's negatives

(01:19:49):
or positive. And so we're starting off with an introductory course,
an AI workshop September seventeen at six pm. You can
sign up for that at our website. Black Women's the
Positive Change. We're trying to create low and no cost
opportunities for training with AI because in introductory courses, the

(01:20:12):
first step, but the anyone to start talking about entrepreneurship
and specific topics about how do you use AI for
like what Kevin just mentioned, how can you use AI
to create marketing, to create movies, to create music. If
you want to start a new business, how do you
do that? How do you create a website and get

(01:20:32):
your advertising done really really low cost? What used to
take a five person team to do you could do
it now with one person in AI. So we don't
want to just teach about AI that it's here. We
want to talk about how can you really use AI
to make sure that you're increasing your generational well so
that you are waiting for others to have your future

(01:20:56):
in their hands, that we are taking control yourself. So
that's September seventeenth and Black Women a positive change, Good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Deal twenty five away from the top, there are but
this this is going to impact especially jobs, every job
that's that you can think of. AI is going to
impact even the doctor. You know, the doctor's just go
and ask the you know, give, give the person you're
talking to you think is a doctor and telling me
what your symptoms are and you come out you probably
get a diagnosis and also you know a prescription as well.

Speaker 6 (01:21:26):
It's going to change.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
It's gonna you know, it's gonna shrink the job market real,
real quickly and real fast the rate that it's moving
right now, What advice do you have for people? Because
anybody who those are you going to work today? AI
may be replacing you in a couple of years. What
what advice do you have for folks like that?

Speaker 13 (01:21:46):
Yeah, and it might not even be a couple of years, right,
are you seeing all these notices of lay ups are
happening as companies are stunning now to really just invest
more in AI? My advice is learning now, right, So
places like our introductory cour September seventeenth. There's a website.
I have a website with free courses. It's called Beetimpactacademy

(01:22:10):
dot com. There's lots of free resources. You don't have
to spend a lot of money to start learning what
this is? Microsoft, Google, IBM, all of them have free courses.
As I was just going on YouTube and starting to learn,
So start practicing. Build a community, whether it's you and
three other people who are in your friend network, right,

(01:22:31):
instead of every Friday get together and talking about a
certain topic, you know, share what you're learning, share what
you're doing new The biggest thing is to start learning,
start practicing, hands on, update your resume and political employees
are looking for these skills as quickly as they are
laying off people and moving towards AI. There are not

(01:22:53):
enough AI skilled employees, and those jobs are on the increase.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
All right, twenty three away from the top, I guess
step beside, get caught up with the news, traffic and
weather in our different cities when we come back. Now,
explain to us how business people, entrepreneurs will want. People
want again it is how can they use AI to
their advantage? Because it seems like everybody's using AI, So
how can you stand out what makes you different for
another person who's using it has the same objective is

(01:23:20):
using AI. If you can explain that to us, we
really appreciate Doctor Charlie family, you got a question about
AI artificial intelligence. This is lady you need to talk to.
A name is doctor's niece Turley. You can reach her
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take a phone calls after we get caught
up under lace's news, trafficking, weathers in our different cities.
That's next.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Grand Rising Family sixteen minutes away from the top of
air with our guest, doctor Denise Turley. She's an AI
artificial intelligence experts. He's going to have a conference of
workshop the next month. We will tell you more about
that as well. But if you've got a question about AI,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. Before we go back to that,
let me just remind you cont Later this morning we're
gonna speak with the Contracosta College professor Professor Mayne Wampin

(01:24:30):
just back from Kemmid and Ethiopia. And later this week
we're gonna speak with Professor James Small. Also DC activist
doctor Kakai Patison will be here and political product brand
and will also join it. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep it ready. Tune too ten ten
WLB or if you're the DMV, we're rolling down on
FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL.
All right, doctor Turley, My question before the break, if

(01:24:53):
I for business people who are thinking about getting into business, now,
say Kevin and I have an idea, we have same
I but we just don't know. We have the same
idea and we put in the information, you know, how
to build this company, how to start this company? Will
AI give us the same information?

Speaker 8 (01:25:12):
Mostly?

Speaker 13 (01:25:13):
Right? So AI very seldom is going to give me
the exact same answer every time, even if you give
it the same prompt, right, But it's going to generally
give you the same answer within context. So if it's like,
give me ten steps on how to start a business,
it's going to give you, guys, the same general steps.

Speaker 10 (01:25:35):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:25:37):
And so you said earlier, right, like, how can I
use AI to really stand out if I have a
new business? I love what you just mentioned, which is
a lot of people aren't using AI as a coach
right now. So if you have three business ideas and
you want to just use AI to sort of as
your discussion partner to do codes and cons right, which
one should I do? I can help you to do

(01:26:00):
that market research, to do that market positioning, to help
you with your brand and your logo and getting started.
AI isn't magic, right, so you always have to start
off with how are you solving that customer need? But
once you've done that, AI is going to help you
ramp up quickly and a lot more cheaply than.

Speaker 10 (01:26:19):
It used to be.

Speaker 13 (01:26:20):
You can create a website in five minutes. People used
to start with just one website for their business, but
now you can create three or four different websites so
your same business and have the backlinks back to each other. Right,
So you're kind of increasing your opportunity. It's being found,
especially when you start optimizing with that AI engine optimization

(01:26:42):
that I talked about earlier, so that people can find you.
And then we're using a lot more automation. So using
automation for your social media content. Even if you have
a business, the next thing you need to you to
get customers, and that can be incredibly time consuming and
it can be expensive. So we can now create social
media posts in a faction of the time and automate it.

(01:27:04):
So the one post that I create for LinkedIn or YouTube,
I can then just repurpose that across all social media
platforms in about five minutes. So there's a lot of
ways using automation that you can still make sure that
your business is showing up, that you're able to have
a marketing program that you can generate lead. Once you

(01:27:26):
have leads, you can use AI and automation, to start
emailing them, to start texting them, and then you just
have time where you can really start focusing more and
making sure you're building that customer product or service so
that it is exemplary. We know that customer is really
going to care about customization, right. We don't want to

(01:27:47):
be stammed by products that might be a good fit.
We want to get something that really is something that
we want, and you can focus your time on doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Well, Doctor Darley, I've I've got another question for Kevin
you so tell us about the conference. You know that
with AI would open AI and chant GPT and all
of the different things that Microsoft has produced and Apple has.
Theory you could conceivably create an avatar and put the

(01:28:17):
whatever voice you want in it, you know, to speak
and conduct part of your conference with AI. Will you
be demonstrating will you be demonstrating how to do that
at the conference?

Speaker 9 (01:28:31):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (01:28:31):
You know what we could and I do that now.
So listen, look at you teaching me. So I often
will have my own avatar on the screen on stage
introducing me or introducing a topic or a concept, and
I have an interactive avatar. Right, So if you think

(01:28:53):
about if you have a business, Kevin, and your business
is coaching, whether that's business coaching, sports coaching, whatever it is.
And you're not available twenty seven obviously, but people can
come and veer a subscription service. They can still go
and interact with Kevin's avatar that's been trained on all
of Kevin's brilliance and knowledge and you're generating income then,

(01:29:13):
right on a subscription service almost twenty four to seven globally.
So I might delve into that, or that might be
in an advanced session, Not sure just yet.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Sure, Well, that's what those chat bots do where you're
on a website and asked if you have any questions,
and you ask the chatbot the question, and then it
learns from all of the questions and then you end
up with the FAQ a Frequently Asked Questions segment. And
that's all because of the advances of AI, and even

(01:29:48):
the universities like MIT are using things of that nature.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
And so you're talking about the chatbot.

Speaker 10 (01:29:54):
Then right, that's exactly right.

Speaker 13 (01:29:57):
Yeah, And so I mean, when you think about it,
I've been doing chatbots the years two right. You know,
you guys ever get caught in the loop when you
call your bank and it's like press one for customer
service and like you're hitting one one one and that
may happen. So we've had these technologies for a long
time as far as AI. But now what's news the

(01:30:17):
generative AI. So you can tell the difference usually if
you interact with a website that has upgraded to generative
AI chatbots versus those legacy chatbots that we had before, right,
because they sometimes are like I don't really understand, let
me get you. You need to call customer service. They
just go in a loop because they've been pre programmed.

(01:30:38):
They're not doing machine learning, right. So the conversational AIS,
that's that's the new stuff using generative AI, and some
companies have implemented, but it's not as wide spread as
you would think.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
And let me ask this question DOCU nine away from
the top, there can we use AI to eradicate racism
or or control racism?

Speaker 10 (01:31:02):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:31:03):
Man, I wish? Maybe that's this future state, right, And
that goes back to my point earlier about bias in
an ideal world. In a world if I were to
build it, it would be inclusive. There wouldn't be a
need to prompt a system to know that black people exist,

(01:31:23):
or people with disabilities or aging people. Right, your default,
the default what comes back should be representatives of this
global world that we live in. So eradicating racism list
and I think that there's a possibility, Kevin, you just
brought up earlier that if we're using more and more
AI for companionships. Right right now, we know that bi

(01:31:47):
that we've built is heavily biased. It's heavily heavily biased.
And remember we talked about before there aren't really people
that look like us who were there doing the machine
learning helping to eratical hate that bias, how to build
in those god rails. So instill until we get more
responsible use and more god rails, we will not get there.

(01:32:10):
But it's the people right now who are building. If
they start changing their mindset and this does become something
that's important, can we do it. I think we can
get closer. Right if you start, If you imagine that
it is going to be widespread people using AI advatars
or even AI humanoids. As we're developing the code for

(01:32:32):
that language, we can train the model right that their
default is inclusivity and it is not the racism, the discriminations,
the sexism, all of the isms, right, we should be
able to program it to avoid that. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Yeah, and because the other folks you can probably program
into though the opposite.

Speaker 10 (01:32:56):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 13 (01:32:57):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:32:59):
Well, it's all about this, but at that point it's
about distribution too. If you can design a prompt that
creates a racist free country, you still have to distribute
the prompts that would help everybody else create that same AI.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
You see where I'm coming from.

Speaker 13 (01:33:20):
That's right, and it's happening slowly, right. There are some
tools that are coming out that really are built more
on ethical AI and inclusiveness. And once it is, once
it becomes the norm, we still have to make sure
though it's the whole reprogramming, which will happen over generations.
I am hopeful because it still comes back to people

(01:33:43):
and behaviors, right, And that's that's how we have to
reach We have to reach the AI as well so
that it is not continuing to propagate the bias that
it has right now. We have to mitigate that. But
it's about changing mindsets and changing changing culture.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Gotcha sticks away from the time they are. Jay's joining
us from Washington, d C.

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
With a question for you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
He's online one grantarizing Jay. You're on with doctor Denise Turley.
Jay not here in Jay Kevin is he there?

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Brownie's not there? So so doctor doctor Turley, let me
ask you another question though, because you're working with Black
Women for Positive Change and other local organizations, how can
you how can you get this information out because this
is you know, we're doing it on the radio. That
helps a bit, but beyond the radio, how can you
get this information out to our people?

Speaker 13 (01:34:39):
Yeah, you know it's challenging. This is exactly what we're
trying to do now is with that one some Positive
Change holding community events. We are yelling it as loud
as we can to anyone who will who will listen.
We're having a present on social media and trying to
increase that presence in trying to reach our community.

Speaker 8 (01:34:59):
We just.

Speaker 13 (01:35:01):
There are several organizations doing this really really powerful and
great work. We just had a free AI training day
with a group for Black and AI. So we're putting
out as much as we can, LinkedIn you to TikTok,
wherever we can reach people. We're trying to reach people

(01:35:21):
so that they can start learning understanding where to get
resources understanding and recognizing where they might be impacted. So
it is an uphill battle. Your prior guest was talking
about community, right and community coming together. This is another
example of where this and guys, we need your help.
We need your help to spread this message. We need
your help. We need the help and community of everyone

(01:35:45):
really so that we can band together and make sure
that we are creating opportunities for our community to continue
to have positive generational wealth and increase opportunities for our career.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
All right, we're coming from bank Jay's call back. This
line dropped these online one Jay, your question for doctor Turley.

Speaker 14 (01:36:08):
Yes, our good morning, and thank you for taking the call. Doctor.
I have a question of respect for legality. What are
legal implications if I'm in retail. If I'm in retail
and this technology now has come into stores right now,
there are all the major stores have technology of facial recognition,

(01:36:29):
and there's been mistakes made. Where's the liability going arrest
with the managers when these posts claims, in other words,
in my store that we can shut the doors down,
the doors block or immediately if they think something is
sishy with respective robbery, et cetera. And it has happened

(01:36:52):
on at least one occasion. We're legal implications.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
Thank you, all right, thanks to hold on, doctor Charley.
We gotta take a short break head check the traffic,
weather or not different cities. I'll let you respond to
Jay's question. Also, Theodore has a question for you as well.
When we get back, family, you two can join this
discussion of doctor Denise Turley. Reach out to us at
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Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Yes, Brad Rising, family, I thanks for staying with us

(01:37:56):
on this Tuesday morning these this is what the fifth
day of August, Black August, if you will. And momentarily
we're going to speak with Professor may New m PM
Professor m. Pims just back from Kemmid and Ethiopia. We're
gonna hear about his journey. But right now we're with
doctor Denise Turley. We're talking about AI, artificial intelligence and
doctor Turley. Before we left, there was a call from
Jay in Washington, d C. But we want to know

(01:38:17):
about the legalities of AI, so I'll let you respond
to his question. Will Is, doctor Turlister.

Speaker 13 (01:38:26):
Willis, thank you, sorry about that. Of course, I've start
out with my disclaimer right I'm not on the attorney,
so I can't really give legal advice. I'll give you
some general comments of my own thoughts on this. So,
which is that you know, we have a growing patchwork
of different legalities and policies around AI in the US,

(01:38:51):
so there's no one size fits all right now. It
is the growing body of regulations. I would say that
this is why we are being a number of different
companies go slow with generators AI. It is because of
this liability. It's because of the responsible use. To a
certain extent, Jenerat AI is very different in that we

(01:39:12):
cannot pre program the answers right it is. It is
going to come up with its own.

Speaker 8 (01:39:18):
Answers to questions.

Speaker 13 (01:39:19):
And because we talked before about bias, we talked about
responsible use, there's also hallucinations, so we know it's not accurate.
And because of that, many organizations are going really slow.
Before they're rolling out public Jenitor's AI solutions. There's been
a couple of big organizations that rolled out from solutions

(01:39:40):
and then they quickly rolled them back because it started
with too many errors. So I would say to you
to be slow and to be very deliberate about how
you roll it out. Work with somebody who understands AI governance,
who understands how to building god rails, and how to
do the petitive testing of your solutions.

Speaker 14 (01:40:02):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:40:03):
I don't want to get two technical because it gets
really very boring. But what I'll say is, if you
implement something today and it works today and there were
no errors, the generative they are, you cannot assume that
it's going to be the same thing a week from
now or a month from now, So you have to
do continual testing and evaluation. Right, So it is nuanced

(01:40:24):
and we want to be careful.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
All right, Five have the top FA Our theater has
been waiting for a season. Also in Washington, DC has
a question for you. He's online too, grand Rising in
Theodore You're around with doctor Turley.

Speaker 15 (01:40:36):
Grand Rising listening to the conversation. Just like the interject
no disrespect to anyone, but those machines or whatever they
are computerized artificial intelligence. It's ridiculous things, then get rid
of racism. We are spirits, we have a soul, we
live in a body. You can't change people hearts with
a machine, with a computerized algorithm or anything. Until people's

(01:40:59):
hearts change to do right, knowing what right is and
them choosing not to do what's right, you can't change it.
AI simply has nothing to do with changing hearts. It's
going to be something for control. And I don't know
your spiritual background, doctor, or maybe the host, but you
might want to read the thirteenth chapter of Book of Revelations,

(01:41:21):
Verses thirteen, fourteen fifteen. It'll tell you about how that
situation devolves in people having to knuckle down and not
being able to buy ourselves because of a mark. That's
what AI is going to eventually get to. It sounds
ridiculous to a lot of people, but people don't realize

(01:41:41):
that you can't change people's hearts. I had a Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
Let's give a chance to respond at Theodore, because you're
starting to repeat yourself. But I thank you for your call,
doctor Turley.

Speaker 13 (01:41:52):
Yeah, listen, I agree with some of that, but I
also say this. I do think that as I mentioned
doing it, it comes back to the people. It comes
back to human behavior and mindset and cultural shift. Right.
But just as we know that AI can be used
for harm, AI can change your mindset in a harmful way.
AI can brainwash you, not just AI, but technology, television,

(01:42:16):
all of those things. Right, So I would you suggest
that there is an opportunity that if we are responsible
with AI, but the same way that we can program
everything else, we can potentially program it for good. We
can program it to try and dismantle some of those
thoughts that people have, some of those legacy, you know,

(01:42:37):
like I mentioned, discriminism, racism, sexism, all of that. I
think it can help. Is it a one stop shop?

Speaker 8 (01:42:45):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
All right, let me ask this question. So our next
question is Professor Mandy Mpin. He's done a lot of research.
In fact, he was the person who discovered that the
Willie Lynch letter was a fake. Should he be concerned
about artificial intelligence because all the work that he's done
and sharing with us, somebody can use artificial intelligency and
manipulate that and twist it around, not what he wanted

(01:43:07):
to say, or what he or what his research found out,
And should he be concerned as a researcher, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:43:14):
I think I think we all need to be concerned.
We are going to struggle, as we already are with
deep sakes. Right, So, because it is so easy to
now intimate or intimate me my voice, somebody could be
recording my voice right now, take it, put it into AI,
and put out something that makes it seem like I
said something that I really didn't. The same thing with

(01:43:36):
the videos and the advertisem is images. We can make
it appear that I was somewhere doing something that I
really wasn't. And that's the same thing with research and
changing research. We definitely are in a scenario where there's
AI has a tremendous opportunity to do good, so much good, right,
chearing diseases, topping and famming, farming, so many opportunities. It

(01:43:59):
is also tremendous number of risk, many of which we're
not even aware of yet. So we're moving really quickly
to develop the technology because it's flashing it can do
all these things. What's happening at a slower pace, though,
is understanding how do we protect ourselves from it? What
does privacy look like in the future of AI? Right,

(01:44:21):
our whole notion of privacy is drastically going to change
in a massive way that we don't even understand the
emotion of Should I still have an expectation of privacy?
I don't know what that looks like a year or
two from now, when people are going to be able
within a couple of minutes to have some representation of

(01:44:42):
something or someone it didn't really happen.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Yeah, Well, thank you for what you're doing. And before
we let you go, tell us again about the workshop.
How can people get involved, how can they get more information?
And thank you for you know, Sean and our light
on AI in our community.

Speaker 14 (01:44:58):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 13 (01:44:59):
It's my tensure to be here, I would say. People
find me on LinkedIn, on in LinkedIn doctor Denise Turley,
connect with me if you have questions after the call
you're not sure how to register for our workshop.

Speaker 10 (01:45:13):
Our workshop is the.

Speaker 13 (01:45:14):
Black Women for Positive Change. It's their fourteenth annual Month
of non violence, so we're celebrating that. It is at
six pm. It is a zoom call or zoom workshop,
so you can connect from absolutely anywhere and it would
be our pleasure to have you and it will be
the first of many. We really are trying to make

(01:45:35):
a difference and make an impact. So we appreciate your support.
We'd love to be able to share with you some
stuff about AI and you'll have the opportunity to ask,
ask questions and be interactive.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Let me before I let you go, since you were
working on the Black One for Positive Change and the
Annual Conference on Nonviolence? Can AI AI help with nonviolence?

Speaker 13 (01:45:57):
We hope. So, I mean there's really can have some
conversations about just as we mentioned before, right, imagine if
somebody is in a situation where they're struggling abusive relationships.
They happen all the time, and then they want that culture,
that confident that they can speak with right help them
to give them tips on how to de escalate, how
to get out of a situation. Or if maybe you

(01:46:18):
are the person who struggles with controlling emotions, maybe you
need tactics to understand how can I de escalate?

Speaker 12 (01:46:25):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:46:25):
How can I get myself out of this situation. There's
an opportunity where we could create some type of avatar
right that speaks to you, that interacts with you, that
knows you, that helps you to get through in a
trusted way. When we know a lot of people perhaps
aren't going externally to get counseling. It isn't always available,
it is sometimes often expensive. So I do think we

(01:46:46):
have opportunities to try and make a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
All right, thank you doctor Charlie, thank you for the
work that you do, and thank you for having this
workshop that's coming up next month.

Speaker 13 (01:46:55):
Thank you, guys, thank you so much. We appreciate your
help and have spread the words.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
All right, family, eleven after the top, I turn attention
out of pressor man new MPM just back from Kemi
and Ethiopia and Grand Rising Professor mp welcome back.

Speaker 8 (01:47:09):
Grand Rising and signing brother Carl, glad to be back.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
You've heard the question I asked her about your research.
Is this something you've thought about, you know, all the
stuff that you've done. Man, it could be manipulated and
turn into something else, and people say, hey, Professor MPM,
this research shows this. Is that a concern for you
right now?

Speaker 8 (01:47:27):
Well, you know, ironically, I've always had the position that
you know, when I do workshops and presentations in different
places around the country, I always tell people were videotaping
and you can videotape my presentation. But here are the
conditions I want you to give me a high quality
copy right away, and number two present exactly what I

(01:47:48):
said in the way that I presented it, and don't
edit my stuff. I've always had that position, but ironically,
about a week or two ago, I had that very
thought that that now with the growth of AI, people
can and would definitely look to manipulate some of what
I present, and conspirators can always distort the message. But

(01:48:12):
also know that there's a lot of people around the
country who don't do primary or first hand research that
will take and steal my stuff and claim it as
their own. So AI is definitely on the move. And
I was just telling someone yesterday that when our semester
starts at Contra Costa College here in Northern California, I'm
going to meet with my department colleagues because I'm the
department chair of History, Anthropology and Geography department, we call

(01:48:37):
it HAG that we need to have a strong AI
statement in our syllables, and we need to be very
specific on what's not allowed by students because from last year,
the fall of last year to spring of this year,
there was an exponential growth and students using AI for

(01:48:58):
every assignment. So now that is in the fast lane
where there's no critical thinking. For most students just to
go online, find some mickey Mouse stuff that comes up first,
and then regurgitate that as if it's factual. They don't
understand it. There's individuals, there's people, there's human beings that
input information and data and it may it may not

(01:49:19):
be wrong. I always give people to test that My
last name is ampim Ampim, I said, misspell my last
name on purpose, turn that last letter M into an end,
and then see what you get by ampen. And I said,
you will find many results on an era just to
show you that what is input is not necessarily accurate.

(01:49:42):
So it is a thought that I had, So as
I move forward, I must make sure that I protect
my research, my brand, and what I present because people
respect my work because of the accuracy of what I
have been presenting over the decades. So yeah, that's definitely
a growing concern that I have.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Yeah, well said, But as a professor, can you determine
whether or not when you've given assignment to the person
the student actually reports did the research and it's not
ai a report that they turn in.

Speaker 8 (01:50:15):
Yeah, because what happens now in the twenty first century
is the textbook companies. They are now guide and direct
educational content. So you can have a rookie instructor that
doesn't know much about the field or at least how
to teach in that field, and be fine because there
they are sample tests, quizzes, there's lesson plans, there's all

(01:50:37):
kinds of things you need. And the lazy instructor, I'm
not going to call them a professor because that's a
higher level. But the lazy instructor would take all of
the textbook material and regurgitate it outside. So I don't
do that. Mine is original, So when students come back
with some online nonsense, I know it immediately one hundred percent. Like,

(01:50:59):
for example, I teach African civilizations at Country Constal College,
but also teach US history. So last far, it was
the first time I noticed a great influence of AI
on a different level. I asked the students a question
in the US History Part two class, what were organizations
that influenced the human rights movement in the US in

(01:51:20):
the nineteen sixties, And I would say sixty percent of
the class they put Amnesty International, the UN High Commission
on Human Rights. Human Rights watched absolutely not they had
nothing to do with the black struggle for racial justice
in America. So they left out Core, they left out Snick,
they left out the Black Panther Party, And let them

(01:51:43):
know that what you all indicated in that particular answer
is going to cost you because that was a significant
question on the final exam, and you all put information
that was not indicated in the books. It was not
indicated in any of the resources that I shared online,
and was not indicated in the lecture and press that
I gave about that chapter. So it was very clear

(01:52:03):
that they just went online, this was an online class
and just got whatever the AI generated information produced. So
before I graded those final exams and gave them back
to them, I sent the whole class of message and
let them know that you're in trouble because that's a
very significant question, and if you're on the borderline, it's
going to take your grade down because you took the

(01:52:26):
road of regurgitating and copying something has nothing to do
with what we covered, but more importantly, has nothing to
do with historical facts. So this is now a growing,
a growing issue, but it's the same thing we had
to face maybe ten years ago when Wikipedia became the
dominant information source online. So we're dealing with another phenomenon today.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Hold on thought right, dare. We got to step aside
for a few moments. When we come back, though, let's
talk about your trip. He went to Cammada, he went
to Ethiopia. Family, you want to get in on this
conversation with I guest Professor me new AMPM. Reach out
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Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, h.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
H and rising family. Thanks for you know, rolling with
us on this Tuesday morning here on the fifth day
of August. That I guess he's the professor men whom
penn as you mentioned the teachers that contracst the college,
and for the past two months, he's been in Kemmick

(01:53:42):
and Ethiopia. So Professor, I'm pim tell us about your trip.

Speaker 8 (01:53:47):
Well, it was very productive as as I'm pleased with that.
So you know, I was in Kimmick because I've led
an educational tour group as I've been doing for some time.
So that's all always very rewarding. One of the things
that I mentioned in on earlier broadcast. One of the
things that's happening there is there's a crackdown, a formal crackdown,

(01:54:11):
to make sure that the black groups from the US
are not just coming over to tell the story of
an African Kimmt or a Kimmt an African civilization of
Kymmic before the Assyrians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans,
the Arabs, all of these groups came. So now there's
a policy to make sure that nobody can even speak

(01:54:33):
in the field. You can't say a word at a pyramid,
temple tomb. And what's happening is not just the guardians
to make sure that people are not speaking other than
the local guide that has a guiding license, but foreigners
are not able to speak. But it's the other guides.
It's the local Egyptian guides that are walking by that

(01:54:55):
look like regular tourists who are not regular tourists. They're
actually gathering information and were a courting somebody who's speaking
that is not a local guide and sending it in
to the Ministry of Tourism in order to shut down
competition number one, but also to make sure that that
professor is like myself and others are not able to

(01:55:15):
tell a story about the real civilization of Kimmit. So
this is a big shift that I've noticed now taking place.
So we were able to do some things here and
there unofficial, so that I can give my insight about
certain monuments and locations because I've been doing systematic fieldwork

(01:55:36):
is nineteen ninety in Kimmit, and so I've never been
regulated to just staring at the hotel later in the evening.
Some of the things I want people to know, but
to tell them in I thought right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
There at Professor mpinks, I'm trying to visualize because I've
been on a talk we did chemic with doctor Reno
ka Rashidi. But you there any and all the artifacts
and the temples and what and you can't explain to
your group what they are, what they're saying.

Speaker 8 (01:56:06):
Is that what you're telling me, yes, exactly. So it
was unofficial a couple of years ago. Now this year
is totally official. And they don't just go after the
person speaking, but they go after the tour company and
the guide who were with them, to go after their livelihood.
So that's what's happening now in order to control the information.

(01:56:28):
So it's like a full court press from trying to
shut down a Netflix movie. Can you imagine a clear
pastor movie or anything, anybody even making a statement about
kim It being an African civilization in an African civilization complex.
So it's gone from social media and the public to

(01:56:48):
now in the field, you can't say a word. As
a matter of fact, the local officials even had a
problem with yours truly even sharing information in the hotel
with my group. And so I told the guy that said, brother,
let me share something with you. I'm a professional historian.
I've been doing work now for decades, first hand research

(01:57:11):
in dozens of countries. I've been here in Timid spending
many many many months in years studying, and nobody's going
to shut me down. Let's be very clear. I said, now,
if my opponent wants to come to the hotel and
observe and sit there behind down, tell them I want
them there every night. Tell them to have their ass
there early, stayed the whole time, and challenge me on

(01:57:33):
site if they have an issue. I said, I don't
want to hear no nonsense. That They came in for
a couple of minutes the story of what I had
to say, and then went off to the regional director
and then they come up with some wild story. So
I told him that I can guarantee you brother slavery
is over and no one's going to shut me down.

(01:57:54):
And so tell them that now they never showed up.
Now they And then even this he was concerned that
maybe they had a microphone in the I don't give it.
They can have a microphone anything else. I will say
to my group the same thing I'll say to a
group of specialists in scholars, because you know, truth is truth.
Facts are facts. So it doesn't matter who's in the audience.

(01:58:16):
I might emphasize something a little bit more than the other.
But that's what's happening now in Kimmids, so you will
see a shift in what's happening. I actually met a
guy that was actually I don't know where he lives
at now. I just happen to meet him in one
of the temples at Abu Simbel. He said they had
put him in jail for a couple of days and

(01:58:39):
had him blindfolded with his shirt off because of some
recent conflict. So these people are very serious about controlling
none of the narrative, but the perspective and what information
goes out to the public. Yeah, sure you can videotape,
you can record, but who's given the information, That's where
the control comes from. So people should be aware that

(01:59:00):
this is the great shift that's taking place. And it's
not an accident that as this is taking place, Zahi hawas,
this guy is literally running around the US and Canada
misinforming the public for three months. He chose to do
it in May through August in order to compete with
the tours that many of us are leading. And so

(01:59:22):
it's the Grand He's called them, the Grand Lecture Tour.
It's really a grand propaganda tour to imphasize to the
public that black people, that Africans had nothing to do
with the high level civilization. And that is the position
of the Indiana Jones guy. Zahi Hawa says, he is
charging can you imagine ninety nine dollars for a tired

(01:59:42):
lecture or if you want, if you want a little
bit more, it's one hundred and ninety nine, or if
you want the VIP seven hundred and ninety nine dollars
for a lecture in a book. This is what's happening here.
He's making money as he's misinforming the public, and he's
the one who's in the center of making sure that
information is controlled, directed and what is being spewed out

(02:00:06):
is to directly challenge anything that we've done. So as
as is known, you have a very informed listenership. But
folks should understand the work of the great scholars, whether
it's doctor Benn or the Great A securet or the
Great Iven't Been and so many other giants. We can't
rest on those morals from fifty years ago because this

(02:00:27):
current work to undermine the foundation that they provided. So
people should be aware of that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
But what a twenty eight after the top of that family,
just checking in our guess is Professor Manu and MPM
just back to spend two months in Kemi and also
in Ethiopia. Want to talk about getting the detail of
this trip. But back to the restrictions now, the new
restrictions that Tony Brown has mentioned this quite a bit
as well. What's the endgame? What is it they don't
want the world to know?

Speaker 8 (02:00:55):
Yeah, well, let me let me say this is that
so they want to shut down what they think of
what they are officially saying is misinformation and the misinformation
quote unquote that they are talking about. I'm talking about
the people in the Ministry of Culture, the Ministry of Tourism,
is an African perspective, an African narrative, and to embrace

(02:01:17):
Kimid as an African civilization, which all the evidence clearly establishes.
So the endgame is to keep it as The country
is currently called the Arab Republic of Egypt and the
official position, the official identity that they use this is
be surprising the people is Caucazoid. If people didn't know that,

(02:01:38):
that's exactly their position, that we are part of the
Caucazoid group. Yeah, I'm talking about the modern Arabs. So
they want to make sure that they can mislead the
public and to get the public to foolishly think that
the people who are there today had something to do
were actually the builders in antiquity in kimm It, when

(02:01:58):
nothing is further from the truth. People came literally thousands
of years after the classical African civilization was built and gone.
Then you have the foreigners who have come in and
now they masquerade and somehow there was their ancestors that
built the mighty civilization of Chemic. And why does this
matter is because of perception. I mean, look at how

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many black people see themselves. They see themselves in a
negative way. We hear it in the language of what
they call each other. And so if you've never done
anything in the past, then by definition, you're not going
to do anything today or in the future. This is
really what the message is. It's all about perception. Who
are you in antiquity?

Speaker 11 (02:02:40):
What did you do?

Speaker 8 (02:02:41):
What is your legacy? What's your worth? These are questions
that have to be answered and understood. And so you
have the modern day interlopers that are there that are
masquerading as if they had something to do with the
classical African civilization, and we can look at basic things
indicate that they had nothing to do with it. Their

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culture is anti people. I mean, you could be in
the streets of Cairo, for example, talking and the cars
not people. The cars have the right away, So stand
too close to the curb and the carver world run
over your foot because the cars have the right away.
Where's the humanity in that? There's so many different things
that I can point out, and just the average everyday

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interaction between the people dominate the country. And on the
other hand, the Nubian Brothers and sisters in the southern area.
Completely different culture, completely different level of humanity, a completely
different level of cleanliness, a connection to the past where
you know that these people come from a great tradition,
by their character, by their cleanliness, their their their high

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level of humanity, and so there's a fundamental difference. So
this is part of the modern era to rewrite the
history of the world and lead Black people out of
our own story. And that's what's happening for the endgame,
is to make us think that somehow we had nothing,
We African people had nothing to do with the high
level civilizations in Egypt and the now valley in general.

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And that's what is happening now at a whole other level.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
It's twenty nine away from the top. They have a
professor and PM professor and pen submission just back from
Chemid and Ethiopia. Do you think the State Department is
complicit with us because I understand that Egyptians, even if black,
is being a designated white on their immigration papers.

Speaker 8 (02:04:30):
Yeah, that's that's part of the issue. Yeah, Eric, anybody
in Egypt is by definition designated as white or concasoil.
But they have no problem themselves with that. Designation. You know,
it's amazing, well your Arab but so yeah, the US
State Department, Yeah, clearly, that's that's part of the issue
as well. It's it's identity and how people identify themselves.

(02:04:52):
So yes, US State Department clear, if you're from Egypt,
then you are automatically white. That's the legal position in
in definition. Uh to brother Hefni from a Nubian brother,
he has had a long legal battle to say, I'm
not white, I'm black, I'm African. But no, you're from Egypt,

(02:05:12):
so you're white. So this man is going through legal
challenges to uh uh set the record straight on his identity.
But this is this is an ongoing struggle, ongoing battle.
So yeah, we should be aware that the US is
not too concerned about it. Because if Egypt, that the
modern people in Egypt say that they're white or Caucazoid,
no big deal. Uh, it's only one man here and

(02:05:34):
there who's fighting this this false identity. So uh, this
is why it's such an uphill battle to re define uh,
you know, the personal definitions in personal identity.

Speaker 3 (02:05:46):
Yeah, but I got to ask you this though, Professor Ampim,
what about the brothers the Nubian brothers in Aswan, and
for the family who haven't been in Egypt, the Nubian
brothers look like some of them may have straight a
hair or more curlier hair, not as kinky. But the skin,
how do they fit into all of these changes? Have
they seen anything?

Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
Not?

Speaker 9 (02:06:06):
Really?

Speaker 8 (02:06:07):
So okay, I've spent a lot of time in that
area in Egypt and also in Sudan. So for folks
that are not aware, Nubia is not a country. It's
a region in southern Egypt and northern Sudan that's Nubia.
So the Nubians in Egypt to the north are very
different than Nubians to the south in Sudan in the

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sense that in Egypt, unfortunately, they're very Doksau. They're very compliant,
they're very Dosau. They're under the thumb of the Arabs.
You can see that just if people stayed long enough,
they would see that. Even in the southern areas, the
modern Arabs, they dominate the economy, they dominate the souk

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or the market. They dominate. And only time you'll see Nubians,
even in their own area, involved with the economy is
you have some Nubian boatmen, you know, they have the
lucas or the boats or things like that, but if
you go to the soup, they're dominated literally by the
other folks. So the other issue, other than the economy,

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is that politically the Nubians are very quiet and docile
in Egypt, and so this is a problem. So whenever
the Arab officials call, like when I bring my group
to the Nubian village, I'm bringing my group to people
that I know that have adopted me as a family member.

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So I can do what I want to do. And
I'll always do what I want to do. So when
I go to the Nubian village, I'm not asking anybody
for anything. I'm going to my close relatives to their
home and then bringing my group for lunch, for example.
And we're going to always go to the Nubian schools,
the pre the primary school for the young students and
the preparatory school for the older students. And we are

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going to make our donations, whether it supplies you know,
school supplies books or giving money. And and so I
was told that some government official call. They wanted to
know what did we do? What do we donate to
the village, And I don't care. They can make any
call they want, but you know, sometimes people are afraid

(02:08:15):
because they receive the phone call. So what we can do,
what we want to do. If they don't like it,
that's on them, so they can track us. But so anyway,
that's the concern that Nubians have. What are they going
to do to us the government? Are they going to
shut us down? Take away our economic opportunities? In Sudan, however,
totally different. The Nubians in Sudan are organized politically and

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so they they're they're much more politically active, politically organized
in Sudan. So that's the difference between the Nubians in
Egypt and Nubians in Sudan. The Nubians in Sudan, they're
they're they're political and they will defend literally their lives
and their livelihoods regardless of what the Sudanese government does

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or does not do. And the Sudanese government these are
African people, but they have a what we would call
an Arab mindset, so that they don't have respect for
the Nubians or the other indigenous people, and so they're
no better off. That's why they're building a series of
dams in Sudan, the floods part of the Nubian areas

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and the areas further south from Nubia and the Nubians
they organized before the more recent political problems. The Nubians
organized to defend their ancestral homeland. You don't have that
in Egypt because they're you know, they're a little bit
more docile. So this is the issue. So when when
those of us who come from the US and we

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have the experience of organizing to protect and defend our humanity,
that some of the Nubian brothers in Egypt are.

Speaker 3 (02:09:50):
Not too used to that right, and that step aside
for a moment, and then Jason Baltimore has a comment,
But we also when we get back, though, is that
the concern of the Egyptian element, that you might get
the brothers, the Nubian brothers riled up and tell them
about the history and their past and they may rebel.
Is that their concern. I'll let you respond to that
when we get back. Family, you two can get in
on this conversation with our guests, and Professor may New

(02:10:12):
and Pim reach out to us at eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll
take a phone calls next.

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):

Speaker 3 (02:10:47):
Grand Rising Family in factually staying with us on this
Tuesday morning with our guests Professor may New and Pim.
Many of you know Professor Mpim. He was the person
who found out the Williet lynch letter was a fake
and people are going around courting there. But he's much
more than will Lynchley. That doesn't define his work at all.
So what defines him is is his research in Chemi
and also in Ethiopia. We're going to talk about that

(02:11:08):
in a moment. Before we do that there, let me
just remind you. Coming up later this week, you're going
to hear from Professor James Small. Also DC activist doctor
ka Kai Panison will be here, and political blog of
Brandon and will join us. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep you ready a locked and tight
on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV,
we're rolling on FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen fifty w L. Professor ampin the question I actually

(02:11:30):
before we left for the break, was the fact that
the crackdown, if you will, on the information that when
you take groups or your brother Tony or Professor Small,
they go to Egypt the crackown. Are they concerned that
maybe the Nubians, who do you said, are more docile?
Do you think they're concerned that they've these brothers and
sisters in will rise up all of a sudden, Hey,

(02:11:53):
we've got greatness, We created everything here in Egypt and
may cause some problems for them. Is that they're concerned,
what are you thought?

Speaker 8 (02:12:02):
One of the Nubian brothers did tell me that I
work closer to he did tell me something like that
that their concern is that since we're helping the Nubians,
that would help them to become independent of the Egyptian
government and start their own independent cultural movement. And I
think there may be some of that, but that's also

(02:12:23):
a stretch because I have, as I mentioned, I have
pretty much family members that have adopted me, and I've
adopted them, and you know, and I was talking with
one of the brothers saying, no, that doesn't make any sense,
for example, helping the Nubian school. Why do we help them? Well,
you take a look at the desks, the desks, the

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splint splinters in the wooden desk, the classrooms, very hot
with no fan, definitely no air condition. They need help.
How are you going to learn in that kind of environment.
So we've been able to make a difference me in
the group, my groups as we make contry. Abut how
is that going to start a political movement?

Speaker 7 (02:13:02):
You know?

Speaker 8 (02:13:03):
So I think sometimes when people are scary, they come
up with any scenario to just justify staying in slavery
and so, and one of the brothers was explaining, who's
very close to the schools and in one of the
new Bion areas. So that doesn't make any sense. The
government would be glad that we're helping because it's their

(02:13:23):
job and their responsibility. They should be giving these supplies
to the schools, to the teachers and to the students.
So the fact that we're doing their job, why would
they have a problem with that? So, yeah, exactly that
makes far more practical sense. But you know, when someone
is afraid of the colonial authority, then they come up
with any scenario to stay in their place. So yeah, sure,

(02:13:46):
there's some people probably do think that way that that
can lead towards independence, that not giving supplies to the school. Now,
if somebody has a conference there was a problem, you
know with conference, you know, having a conference that the
government claim was not a historic conference about ancient chemid
Or Nubia, but a political conference, a racial conference. I
know that they've argued about that. That's totally debatable, but

(02:14:10):
definitely not just helping out schools with supplies. But some
people feel that anything that's done that they don't approve
is because they think that we're helping the Nubians too much. Well,
you know what, that's what slavery is about. To keep
being slaved so doctile that they will never even think
about doing anything in their best interests. And that's the

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advantage that I think we have here in the US
that we've gone through great political movements, so we're a
little bit ahead of our brothers and sisters in terms
of how to organize in our best interest and bring
about great movements or significant change. You know, for people
all over the country benefit from the free breakfast program

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low income people that started with the Black Panther Party.
But at the time, anybody can say that that's too controversial,
it's not too controvert. It needs to be done to
help the people. But that's how I look at it,
and I know enough of the environment and climate to
continue to move forward to help the people as needed.
And I agree with the brother that I know very

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well it was sharing with me that this doesn't make sense.
The government, on the other hand, would love to you
all to keep doing what you're doing, even though they're
not going to call me directly to thank me, but
they're certainly thankful that we are giving resources where they
should be given the resources. That's what people pay taxes
in Egypt for to help the schools then have an
educated population because the people not educated. How's that going

(02:15:36):
to help the society in the long run. So these
are things that we have to talk about in Egypt,
but we would never have to talk about this and
Tudan because the new beings there are more organized and
they're more clear that they have to advocate for themselves.

Speaker 6 (02:15:52):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:15:52):
Fourteen Away from the Top. I amazing Jason's joining us
from Baltimore's online One Grand Rising. Jason, you alway, Professor Impim.

Speaker 16 (02:16:01):
Grant arrising Dean Nelson, and thank you to your professor
for just this wonderful program. Every time that I hear
your voice, Sir, I make sure that I relay that
information back to our community and just really keep the
exposure about the twenty fifth Dynasty, how we've been erased
from the museums in Egypt. And what's interesting is that

(02:16:26):
there's so many other documentation validating even the Bible mentions
a black pharaoh at the time. How could you have
a black pharaoh if you didn't have Nubians in the
region at the time. So just please stay on the
forefront of this. And is there My question is is
there a way that all of this information from like

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you and doctor Ben and so many can come together
as a collective group and maybe present this to an
international court or an international authority on history that can
actually challenge the Egyptian government and look at contesting their

(02:17:09):
documentation of history so that we can get this corrected.
Is there a body like that that we can present
all of this evidence.

Speaker 8 (02:17:16):
Too, Unfortunately, my brother, we don't. The closest would be UNESCO,
the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural organization. Every year,
UNESCO has a conference to deal with issues regarding heritage
cultural heritage. But the only groups that could present are

(02:17:38):
pretty much government agencies and affiliates of particular governments of countries.
So unless there was a special forum like the one
in Cairo, the Cairo's Symposium back in nineteen seventy four,
where they were dealing with the identity of the people
of Chemic and deciphering one of the script to Meroitic script.

(02:18:01):
This was a special UNESCO organized conference where Shaikan, the
late Senegalese scholar and the current giant theophile of beinga
These were the Africans who presented against eighteen other Egyptologists
and scholars on the question of who were the people
of ancient Chemic. And you can tell it's very obvious

(02:18:23):
from the summary by the neutral un representative that there
was an absolute imbalance in the discussion that ap and O,
beinga whooped academic behind on an international scale to clearly
demonstrate that the people of Kimmic were African. But again,
you know that's like a half a century ago, so
people have been undermining this powerful results from the seventies

(02:18:46):
by just the ongoing misrepresentation. So it would have to
be a great advocacy for an international neutral body like
UNESCO to be able to have such a form, and
there's not any interest of the folk who on the
opposite side to have such an international form because even
though they downplayed and try to dismiss the significance the

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Chiro Symposium in nineteen seventy four has left an indelible
impact around the world, so they would be very hesitant
to put themselves at risk again and risk another academic
mauling as what took place in the early seventies.

Speaker 16 (02:19:24):
Well, thank you, professor.

Speaker 9 (02:19:25):
Again.

Speaker 16 (02:19:25):
Please stay on this, and you know, if there's any
way that the community can help, just please reach out
for the just please stay on this and maybe hopefully
a group can really challenge this somehow before some recognized body.
I'd say, just keep calling them out. You know, you
shine light on darkness. You have no other choice but

(02:19:47):
to expose the truth. So thank you so much again,
You're welcome.

Speaker 8 (02:19:53):
Brother. If I can add, brother, Carl, is that I've
been posting on Facebook. Actually I'm literally just getting back.
I haven't been back a day yet to the States,
and I've been posting some of the updates on just
a small part of my findings, so people can can

(02:20:14):
find some of those on Facebook. Some of the postings
just go to MAINU and PIM and you'll see or
also on my YouTube channel. But on YouTube you have
to go to Professor Maynew and Pim and you can
see that I've posted a few video clips there and
to expose some of what people need to know about

(02:20:34):
this ongoing campaign to misrepresent the history of the world.
And the example of this misrepresentation is African contributions to
humanity that have been dismissed and ignored and lied about.
So I've been countering this for quite some time, So
folks can follow the work there. And if I can

(02:20:54):
add two brother Carl so well, actually I'll wait just
about the current campig pain in Ethiopia, but in Egypt,
this is where things are at. So I would just
say to people, if you plan to go at some
point someday or one day or not on the calendar,
you should really make a commitment to go in the

(02:21:15):
witness African greatness at a high level. It will do
you good because you could never unsee what you experience
when you're looking at the greatest manifestations of human history
built by Africans. It presents an image, it presents a
level of greatness that we've not seen since and certainly

(02:21:39):
not before. So this is the kind of imagination of
greatness that people need to experience. I understand West Africa
very well, but I think that people should should prioritize
East Africa and then work their way back to the West,
so you can deal with it chronologically and understand the
African story from the earliest times as much as possible

(02:22:00):
to the current. So I know somebody's thinking, well, what
does this have to do with our issues here in
the US. What it has a lot to do with it.
First of all, how do you see yourself? What's your
self image? We have to look at examples of success
and use those examples. Nobody's looking to try to rebuild
pyramids in California or in DC or the DMC area

(02:22:20):
or anywhere else. But we take the principles and practices
that allowed Africans to be great in the old days,
and we take those practices and those principles and we
reapply them here. And that's why it's very important. So
we have a sense of identity, a sense of vision
of what we can do based on what we've already done.
This is why it's a battle of ideas. It's the
idea of battle that we must win. Because people have

(02:22:42):
bad ideas about themselves. Look at how they treat each other.
How they talk about each other. And I know we
have somewhat of an older audience listening, but I say
to folks, you should look at TikTok and see how
people are influencing each other with the most ridiculous ideas.
Right now, there's a campaign where crazy black folks in
the US had started a campaign the boycott Africans. Can

(02:23:04):
you imagine that, the boycott Africans. So it's an all
going online war. And this is from younger people in
the twenties, thirties and foolish people in their forties who
go by this. But they don't have any foundation to
know about Africans in antiquity and the.

Speaker 4 (02:23:19):
Link that we have to that.

Speaker 8 (02:23:20):
So we have a lot of educating to do and
we have to provide a different model, a different paradigm
of successive greatness. This is why we need to know
about the past. How did they work their problems out?
Then this is the great lessons that we need to
understand and apply today. This is how we solve our problems.

Speaker 3 (02:23:38):
Yeah, and let me just add that if those folks
who are pushing that's the FDA group again, as we
told you, if they knew themselves and knew where they are.
They wouldn't talk about boycounting Africa or Africans. But be
that what it's made because we don't give them a
lot of energy. Professor Ampim, you went to the Grand,
the new Grand Egyptian Museum in Giza. Tell us about

(02:24:01):
that trip.

Speaker 8 (02:24:02):
That was I don't know and one or two words.
It was an important experience because the Grant Egyptian Museum,
or the Gym as they're calling gem. They've been promoting
it for years and years and years as this massive
new museum right near the Pyramids in Geezer. So the

(02:24:23):
Cairo Museum in downtown Cairo in Tiher Square is hu
just the largest anywhere in the world with the artifacts
from classical commit but the Gym. But the Gym is
so much larger. So when I went last month, it
was laid out in the most ridiculous manner whatsoever, because

(02:24:45):
the gym is laid out not according to time periods
or chronology, is laid out in a way that's totally chaotic.
So in order to spew out propaganda, when you walk
into the main lobby area, they have a huge statue
Ramsey's the second the great builder from the nineteenth dynasty.
But then there's two Roman statues on the other end

(02:25:07):
of the same lobby. They have nothing in common. They're
separated by thousands of years. When the Romans came around
kimm it was already gone. There's no more dynasties. The
Great Era had already finished. So why would they put
these Roman images there to mislead the public? And that's
just kind of a glimpse as you walk into the
Grant Egyptian Museum where it's total chaos. They don't go

(02:25:30):
by chronology or timelines or anything like that. It's just
throwing images together that are not related, and that allowed them,
as I documented, that's why people I suggested to take
a look at my Facebook post. I'm going to post
another video clip that I made. But they're throwing statues
together that are separated by dynasties, centuries, and even millennia,

(02:25:55):
meaning they're separated by thousands of years with no connection.
That allowed them to put in an image of a
Roman emperor. And why that because it confuses people. So
when folks are trying to understand who were these people
in antiquity? What's that background? And it's hard to tell
because you have African images mixed in with more recent

(02:26:19):
modern Roman images in the museum, and that's like a
precursor to when you actually go through all of the galleries.
That's how it's laid out in a crazy manner that
no professional could really justify. So generally, when you go
to a historic museum, you want to look at it
in a chronological manner, starting with the oldest period, so

(02:26:40):
like if you're dealing with chemick, for example, it would
be dynasty one, dynasty two, dynasty three, so people get
an idea of how the civilization developed. But no, not
at the gym, not at the Grand Egyptian Museum. They
have it in such a crazy way. So a lot
of people were not following the sequence of galleries that

(02:27:01):
they should have been because the galleries are laid out
not one, two, three four in a straight manner. They're
like a zigzag. So there's so who would know that
you have to zigzag to the left, zigzag to the
right to follow the supposed gallery uh guidelines and you know,
in some in some kind of chronological way, but no,

(02:27:24):
so most people went from Gallaxtry gallery Gallery one, Gallery four,
Gallery seven, and Gallery ten not knowing that they were
supposed to zigzag, so it's a crazy design.

Speaker 3 (02:27:35):
Hold of thought right there. I'm looking at the clock.
We gotta step aside for a few minutes and I'll
have you finish your thought. On the other side, I
also want to talk about Ethiopia as well, and we
get back family. You two can get in on this
conversation with our guest Profess that many a new umpin
hit us up at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six. I'll take a phone calls next.

Speaker 2 (02:27:54):
Yea with the most submission the Carl Nelson with the
most awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:28:25):
Hey, Ryan Rising family, thanks for staying with us on
this Tuesday morning. This is the fifth day of August.
I Guess is Professor Main New m P. Professor pen
is a historian researcher. He teaches a contracst to college
out in northern California. I'm discussing his recent trip to
to Kimi, and also we're going to talk about his
trip down to Ethiopia. But right now it's given us
his view of the Grand Egyptian Museum that's in Giza.

(02:28:48):
So I think you finished that thought and then stay
in Chicago.

Speaker 8 (02:28:51):
As a question for you, professor a peer, Yes, sir, Yeah,
So the Grand Museum, the Egyptian Museum is actually very
disorganized as attic.

Speaker 7 (02:29:00):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:29:01):
It's the way that they laid it out is poorly done,
and I surely would find or fire the people who,
uh who really designed it that way, because most people
are very confused when they walk in because of the
way the zigzag organization of the galleries are. Not only that,
but they poorly presented the eras. There's different eras, like

(02:29:25):
there's a pyramid age, then there's a great literary age,
where there's great literature, there's a temple age, and these
these these great eras of these are African Renaissance periods.
They're poorly presented, and so it's very poorly done overall,
and people are going to go because there's so much

(02:29:46):
international push for the museum, but uh, it's certainly uh
falls short. I would give it. As a professional, I
would probably give it a C at best, and certainly
not more than that because the layout is very poor
work and they don't seem to understand that eras have
to be properly presented in any country if you want

(02:30:07):
the visitors to understand these different heroes, and that's certainly
not done at the Grand Egyptian Museum, so it certainly overrated,
said at least. And then also the way in which
they promote the Greek and Roman period at the very
end is shameful because they skip over the brother mentioned
the twenty fifth dynasty. Well, that skipped over, that skipped

(02:30:30):
over and minimized. Whereby as I was watching people, the
vast majority maybe took a glance as they walked by,
but they certainly did not stop and really look at
the artifaction in that era because they were presented and
not only an uninteresting way, but it was downplayed to
the point where when you have a large museum like that,

(02:30:51):
you can't look at every single item, and these were
like optional as they've kind of put it. And I
saw people go directly to the era when Kimmi the
Great Civilization is already over, the thirty diningsty period had
already ended, and then you have the Greek and Roman artifacts.
They're receiving far more attention than the era when the

(02:31:12):
Great Kushites came from the south from the Sudan area
to reunite the entire Nile Valley. That is certainly minimized
and ignored, and for many people they never even looked
at those artifacts, and that's a function of how poorly
designed the whole museum is.

Speaker 3 (02:31:30):
So if you jump in here and ask you this, though, professor,
was that done deliberately and this is this museum replacing
one in Cairo Ya?

Speaker 8 (02:31:39):
Those are great questions. It's certainly done deliberately. I think
there's some professional ignorance on some of the design, but
I think the professional ignorance it certainly coincides with and
supports the overall agenda. And that is how we're going
to lay this out whereby people would see certain artifacts
is more important as other artifacts. So that certainly was designed.

(02:32:02):
That's why they sprinkled in Roman images whenever they can,
even though these are thousands of years later, and so
I think the results are effective. You can go and
then not even understand the significance of certain eras by
how it was laid out. So that's very problematic. The
Egyptian government has a problem because it's the Kyri Museum,

(02:32:26):
but most people might not be aware that they open
up the National Museum of Egyptian Civilization. In twenty twenty one,
there was the so called Golden Parade, where they paraded
two dozen African ancestors who have been reduced to mummies.
They paraded them through the streets of Cairo in order

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to advertise and promote the new National Museum of Egyptian Civilization.
So in the that's still in Cairo, I don't see
people going to the Cairo Museum, the old Kiro Museum
and the new Civilization Museum. Now you have the gym
as another option. People are not going to add days
to their to their tours or their trip there. They're

(02:33:07):
just not. So they're gonna have to pick and choose.
And let's see what happens. When I was there, even
though the summer is not the great tourist time, but
there was not a lot of people there. There really wasn't.
There were. There were some visitors, but not a lot
of people. So we'll see what happens. But you have
three competing museums now, and it's not like they had

(02:33:28):
to do that, but they've done it because it's no
overall plan. It's it's propaganda above careful planning. And this
is this is going to be part of the downfall
because when people are confusion in the museum. They're not
going to promote it, and you can see the confusion
because of how people were trying to fail. O, where
do we go?

Speaker 9 (02:33:45):
Now?

Speaker 8 (02:33:46):
We're going straight? But should we go zig zag?

Speaker 7 (02:33:49):
No?

Speaker 8 (02:33:49):
No one told you you shad zigzag, but you really
have to if you're going to try to follow the sequence.
So uh, the overall agenda is to sprinkle in and
promote the European type images that you see that came
at the later period. That damages the overall presentation. And
I think there's also just ignorance of layout along with

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the racial propaganda that makes the gym mediocre at best.

Speaker 3 (02:34:19):
All Right, eight that have that tough. As I mentioned,
Stans waiting for us in Chicago has a question for
as online one grand Rising stand here on a Professor Ampim.

Speaker 17 (02:34:28):
And rising Carl and Professor Ampim and I am still learning.

Speaker 12 (02:34:33):
I just want to put that out there.

Speaker 18 (02:34:35):
And I've called previously just asking the question around the
confusion that has sparked recently around the story around were
Africans or I guess people of color Aboriginal Americans here
before the host slave trade? And part of my question
of regarding that is, you know, was there I guess

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to you, Professor Ampim, was the kingdom as mass like
so massive that we had, you know, setups over here.

Speaker 17 (02:35:03):
In America and South America and over.

Speaker 8 (02:35:06):
In Egypt as well.

Speaker 18 (02:35:07):
I'm only asking that too because we've got a Cairo, Illinois,
there's a Cairo, Egypt. We've recently and I've come to
know that there's mounds here in Illinois, and I think
that's something maybe the conscious community one line has pushed significantly, like, hey,
we had it here, can you can you just level
set this a little bit for me and maybe other
people that have been maybe confused by the messaging that's

(02:35:29):
come through. How do we approach that question since for
me it's it's provided me a lot of kind of
confusion in terms of the whole story.

Speaker 8 (02:35:38):
Yeah, I appreciate the question. So, yeah, there is a
Cairo Illinois. There's Cairo, Egypt. There's Memphis, Egypt, there's Memphis, Tennessee. Well,
like in Cairo, Illinois, for example, you have names that
are that are given to locations that are named after
cities and other places in the world, but they don't
have any connection, you know, they don't have any connections.

(02:36:02):
So like for example, always point out that people on
my tours. On the very first day, we go to
a place called men Nepher. That's the old original name.
Men Nepher means established in beauty in the old Medu
Netu language. But the Greeks didn't know anything about the
African language, so the Greeks changed all of the words.
And usually when you have a word that ends in I,

(02:36:24):
s os or us, it has the Grecian form. So
for example, men Nepher becomes Memphis. So Memphis, Egypt is
a sister city to Memphis, Tennessee. There's no historic connection
other than the fact that you know, you get Memphis
Tennessee uh named after the Memphis location in Egypt, which

(02:36:46):
is a Greek corruption of the original name, So you
have that in different places. And so but in terms
of you know, classical Africa and I think you know
might have mentioned slavery or something like that, they both
took place. There's a lot of times people don't recognize
they know that we were here, so therefore the slave

(02:37:06):
trade didn't take place. No, both happened. There was a
vicious slave trade which is well documented with thousands and
thousands of records. And also it's clearly established that Africans
were here long before slavery, long before the enslavers. We
came well. First of all, if we really go back
far enough, the oldest well documented undisputed archaeological site anywhere

(02:37:28):
in the Americas is Pedra Ferada in Brazil, and clearly
the dates are going back to about fifty six thousand
years ago, where there's charcoal with campsites, human remains, artifacts, drawings,
so it's beyond dispute. So we can look at Pedro Farada,
Brazil and Sara di Cafaba National Park is the oldest

(02:37:53):
well established site. But if we look more recently at
high level civilizations, we can see a strong African influence
in Central connection to the great, first great civilization in
all of the Americans, which is the OMEC. So we've
certainly been here. So it's not either or, but it's
definitely both. It's both and that there was a vicious
slave trade, but also Africans were here and came as

(02:38:16):
independent traders and leaders back in antiquity. So I hope
I answered your question absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 17 (02:38:25):
Is there any reference that you could provide that gives
an accurate timeline of all these things? Because I always
feel like the timelines are always changing, Like, is there
just a resource that you could give to the listeners
where we can study on our own.

Speaker 8 (02:38:39):
Yes, sir, I appreciate that. Standing. Yes, I would always
refer to my late great colleague Ivan, doctor Ivan van Certema,
his book They came before Columbus. And also the great
Ivan van Certema. He edited many issues of the Journal
of African Civilizations, so it would be the issue of

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the African presence in the early Americas. So if you
get those two sources, then you can certainly branch out
from there. And there's there's other resources, but I would
start with with Ben Schertimon because working with him, he
is very, very careful scholar who laid the foundation of scholarship.
But he's not the only one. But but those are

(02:39:20):
some great resources to start with. Excellent, Thank you for fessorting.

Speaker 3 (02:39:25):
Yeah, thanks Dan, all right, thanks Dan. Let me just
say it's had a chance to spend a whole day
with doctor van Certimer. It was interesting. The stuff that
this man knows incredible. I understand one other thing too.
The Cairo in Illinois is they pronounced it kro and
they don't even though it's spelled the same way as
it is as the one in Egypt. They for some

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round they americanize it and they pronounced it kro. If
you you can check that eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six thirteen at the top.
They our brother Collises in Waldorf has a question for you.
He's online too, Grand Rising. Brother Colie, you're on with
Professor the Grand.

Speaker 19 (02:40:02):
Rising, My dear brothers, and thank thank you professor for
for the valuable information. Just just a brief adendum. Uh,
I've got that book from Ivan van Cem. They came
before Columbus, and uh you can get that easily on
either Amazon and also uh van Curtem you can get

(02:40:24):
his lectures on YouTube. Uh. And and so that that
helps us to get access to what with this brother
articulated and UH gave us. But my question, doctor MP
penance this Uh. We have been fed information in our churches,

(02:40:48):
our black churches and white churches about the Hebrews. I
call them Hebrews. Some people say Jews, but I say Hebrews.

Speaker 4 (02:40:57):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (02:40:58):
And that they building the peer mids and building making
bricks out of straw and mud. And I'm being the
architects and so forth, of the Peermids in Egypt, all
chemics and so forth. Is that fact of fiction? I'm

(02:41:22):
historically told that that is fiction. Could you validate that
for me if you would please.

Speaker 8 (02:41:30):
Yes, sir. The others is correct with fiction, and here's
the definitive evidence to support that there is nothing but fiction.
You know, it was Hollywood and then you and Brenner
and the Ten Commandments. This is what popularized this great myth.
But since nineteen ninety one, so it's been several decades.

(02:41:52):
The Gizer Mapping Project, Gizer's g i Za, they discovered
with the archaeological work right near the pyramids and right
near the Sphinx, they discovered the workmen city, the people
that actually built the pyramids, and they found the bakery,
the brewery, the tombs. I've been there, even though it's

(02:42:14):
just off limits. And it was a thriving urban community.
And so what the workers would do. They would walk
through there's a wall called the Wall of the Crow.
It's called the Wall of the cod today. But the
workers would simply walk from the village through the doorway
in the stone wall and literally go to work every day.

(02:42:35):
And we know these people were paid for their labor.
They were paid with grains of wheat, grains of barley,
and with linen cloth. We know from the record found
that the location that this workman city, that they would
work seven days and then have three days off work
seven days, three days off, because the weeks were ten days.

(02:42:56):
So and that's how they went about their day. And
I also know that the workers they would work for
two or three month periods, and they would come from
different villages and commit different districts, and so these were communal, cooperative,
collective public works projects. And they would work for up

(02:43:16):
to ninety days and then they would rotate out back
to their districts or the areas, and then another group
would come in to build the monuments. And the records
are very clear about that. So there was never any
evidence for slavery or any Hebrews there. The other problem
with the Hebrew position is not only is there no evidence,
but chronologically the first Hebrew you can go back to Abraham,

(02:43:39):
and he lived a thousand years after the pyramids were built.
So how could Abraham or any other Hebrews leap one
thousands years earlier to build monuments that they could not
have built? Because they weren't even around. Well, it's just
the Hollywood propaganda that's gone haywire. But you're right, it's fixed.

Speaker 3 (02:44:00):
A quick follow up, Okay, hold on, brothercass, I'll let
you do that after the break seventeen, after the top
of our family, you two can join our discussion with
Professor may New. Pim. Reach out to us at eight
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Speaker 2 (02:44:18):

Speaker 3 (02:44:41):
Thank grand Rising family and fans are rocking with us
on this Tuesday morning. With our guests, Professor may New
and Pin out of Contracsta College in California, Northern California,
were discussing his recent trip to Kembid and also we're
going to get to Ethiopius. Well, but before we do that,
Brother Carlos has a follow up question for Professor on Pim.
Brother Carlos, Yeah.

Speaker 19 (02:45:01):
Thanks, carl. I'll make this real, real brief. Uh, when
uh Abraham came out of the Caldies which was modern
which was ancient Mesopotamia slash modern day Iraq, and they
went into Egypt. Uh, they went, according to history, to

(02:45:22):
my state of history. They went in to Egypt fleeing famine.
The Egypt was a big red basket of the world.
But we are told that the Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt,
and that they somehow, uh you know, were or were enslaved,

(02:45:47):
and that they they helped to build Egypt or helped
to create Egypt and so forth, and then they they
left parting the Red Seas. Again, is that facts or
fictional or is it? Can you can you validate any
of that information for me for my my purpose, and

(02:46:09):
I thank you, thank you.

Speaker 8 (02:46:12):
Yeah. About Abraham's background coming from from uh, from from
er in Kalda, that's correct. But the Hebrews definitely not
enslaved in Kimmid. There's no evidence of it whatsoever. It
is the biblical writers writing that, but documentation beats conversation.
There's no evidence whatsoever that they were there as some

(02:46:34):
enslaved group. So this is this is a part of
the fictional part of the of the Biblical account. Now,
I'll give you a couple of resources. One, there's a
couple of magazines or journals I should say that are
pretty good. One is called Biblical Archaeology Review, And what's
what's good about this is they actually, with this review journal,

(02:46:55):
they actually take the story from the Bible as they're
written and then attempt to go out and see if
there's any physical evidence, any archaeological evidence, textual evidence to
support the biblical story. And so that's biblical archaeology review
and the other one is just biblical archaeology that does
exactly the same thing, and it's hit and miss. I mean,
there's some stories that clearly there's no evidence of whatsoever,

(02:47:19):
and that comes back pretty often. But the story of
Hebrews being enslaved in Timid, no, there's no evidence. And
as I mentioned, the workmen's village called Het el Garab,
that's the name of the village. Heath el Garob is
right near the Sphinx or haru im Ocket, that's the
original name. But it's right near there. I mean literally

(02:47:42):
you could see the wall that I was referring to,
Wall of the Crow, and immediately right behind that wall
is that workman city, which clearly overturns and destroys the
biblical slavery argument that never had any evidence anyway. So
that's what people should know about, and it's people concocting

(02:48:04):
stories in order to misrepresent history. And also Hollywood does
what it does, and it's amazing how those movies from
three quarters of a century ago still have an indelible
imprint on how some people see ancient history. But those
two magazines I mentioned, you can find them online, and
these are scholars and archaeologists that have no agenda either way.

(02:48:27):
They just want to verify these stories. In a lot
of times the stories there's no evidence for them, and
some make no sense at all. And one thing we
should know is that in ancient Chemic the Africans, they
documented everything. There's nothing that they didn't document. Sometimes you'll
see little small models of a bakery, for example, or brewery,

(02:48:48):
and in the small models you have more scribes recording
what's happening than those that are actually working. So it's
kind of funny, but it's indicative of how they document it,
absolutely every thing, whether it was good, bad, or neutral,
and they would have their own angle on it. But
they don't even record any of this kind of stuff.

(02:49:10):
Plus it's not even consistent with their cultural practices. So
this is why we could say categorically and definitively there's
no slavery and the workmen's urban area or center or city.
This clearly since nineteen ninety one has put a final
nail in this the Hebrew slavery argument.

Speaker 3 (02:49:30):
All right, thank you, brother Carlos. Twenty eight after the
top of the out before we go to Ethiopia, a
treat question for you, Professor Ampim, person says Grand rising
Professor Ampim. Can you speak to the fact that the
Black African featured broad nose of the sphinx were shot
off with canons by the Roman conquerors, conqueror Alexander the
Great when he arrived in Chemick thousands of years ago,

(02:49:52):
in an effort to discredit the Black African creators and
builders of the great work of sculpture. Thank you so
much for your ex lens and clear sharing of historical knowledge.

Speaker 8 (02:50:03):
Okay, thank you for that. You know, when I was
at Morgan State University back in the eighties, I literally
that's why I met a lot of the great scholars
and pioneers. I did not miss a lecture, I did
not miss a conference. I didn't miss anything. And if
I did miss because I had to work by mentor
to the late great jailemu Gary Ware would always record
everything and I would get the recordings but so I

(02:50:25):
had heard numerous times by scholars who had said that
it was Napoleon around eighteen hundred or so who blew
the nose off of the Sphinx. That Napoleon and the
French they respected the culture, they just didn't like the
way that people looked. But actually Napoleon had nothing to
do with the missing nose and missing beard. So it

(02:50:48):
is more likely not a Muslim fanatic. A Muslim fanatic
didn't blow the nose off, but they actually chiseled the
nose off. Because every so many years, maybe every twenty
years or so, if you don't clean out or if
you don't really dig the stand out the Haru m

(02:51:08):
Ocket or the so called great stinks, the pit area
would really sit, it would fill up with sand. So
you have photographs and drawings from many years, over many
different by many different people. You can see people literally
standing on the shoulders in the face area of the

(02:51:30):
Great Sphinx because of the build up of sand. But
it's pretty clear that Napoleon had nothing to do with it.
A Xander had nothing to do with it. And the nose,
I mean, that would have been a heck of a
cannon shot to blow the nose off like that, but
it was chooseled off and that's why it's missing. And
it's you know, probably one of the Muslim fanatics from

(02:51:51):
about about seventeen eighteen, about seventeen hundred years ago, so
there's a likely suspect for it, but certainly long before Napoleon,
which most people falsely believe destroyed the nose. Long before Napoleon,
you have Frederick nordn in on our Den, North Den.

(02:52:13):
It was a Swiss guy who actually went to kimm
It for the purpose of drawing and because that's before
the days of photography, but he went in the mid
seventeen hundreds for the purpose of documenting these great monuments.
And Norddn actually has a drawing of the of the
Shints in seventeen fifty five, four decades before Napoleon, with

(02:52:37):
the nose missing, the beard missing. It's not the greatest
drawing in the world, but it is good enough where
you con see that this person did their best to
draw what he saw. So but anyway, that's probably what
happened to the nose and the beard. It's a definitive
record of Muslim fanatics, which is not odd because if

(02:52:59):
people recalled even even before COVID, during the Arab Spring.
If people remember back in around twenty eleven, there were
many wild men, mad men talking that we need to
destroy these monuments. These monuments are of the infidel. There
is before Muhammad. We don't respect these monuments. So with

(02:53:19):
all of the chaos going on during the revolution in
twenty eleven twenty twelve, during that time period, the military
and the police had to protect the monuments from these
these Muslim fanatics who believe that destroying these monuments are
good for good for Islam, because these are monuments that

(02:53:40):
are just for idols. This is how they see it.
And if there's Muslims who don't think that way, they
been good for you. But I'm telling you the more
extremists in Egypt, this is what they wanted to do,
is to use the chaos to attack the monuments. So
when people think like that, that is consistent with how
extreme Muslim extremists Muslims have been thinking for many, many centuries.

(02:54:05):
So but to answer the question, you have to look
at all of those drawings, all of the photos, and
you can see long before Napoleon, you know, you have
the systematic destruction one of the greatst monuments on Earth,
the most well known and the most famous. But I
would also say that even with the destruction, if you
take a profile view on either side, you can see

(02:54:26):
the original brown paint to represent the African skin tone.
You can actually see it if you have if you're
there in person and you have a pretty good camera
and you're looking for it, you can see it on
the side near the ear area, all.

Speaker 3 (02:54:42):
Right, twenty eight away from the top of the old
Let's go to Ethiopia. You met with some Kushi groups
in Gambella. Can you tell us about those meetings, Professor.

Speaker 8 (02:54:50):
Ampa, Yes, sir, it's one of the great experiences. I've
been going to Gambela now for a couple of years.
So after I left Kim and I went to Ethiopia
and I had a after the sixteen day educational tour
to the north and the south of Ethiopia. When the
group left, I brought in a film crew from the US,

(02:55:10):
the four man film crew to document me documenting the
history of those those groups that are in Gambela, Ethiopia,
which is in the southwest part and Scambella borders on
South Sudan, So those groups in the Gambela area they
don't link to the north. So many in the in

(02:55:33):
the DC area for example, or even here in the Oakland,
California area, there's large Ethiopian communities, you know, Arlington, Virginia,
but they all with they almost all come from the
northern area, you know, the vast majority of them. But
Gambella is totally different. The people of Gambella they don't

(02:55:54):
link to the north linguistically, culturally, their physical appearance, they're
actually linked to and they have their origins in the south.
So this is the other Ethiopia. That's what Gambella represents.
So their lineage comes from South Sudan, Sudan, Kenya, and Uganda.
That's where they come from. So these groups are in

(02:56:16):
the area of the old civilization of Kush, which is
older than Kimmid. So Kush is the first of the
classical African civilizations and it goes far back into antiquity
where we don't even have an origin for it, but
we know that Kush is the oldest of these high
level civilizations. So my documentary is on the Kushi group

(02:56:37):
sitting Gambella, and what that entails is documenting their current
lifeways and linking those current lifeways to the distant past,
because it's amazing that the people practice many of the
same identical traditional lifeways today that link to the distant past.

(02:56:59):
You can see on the tomb walls and the other
artifacts that there's not much change at all, and this
has not been documented. To look at the origins of
ancient Kush and those people that still speak a Cushitic
language and practice the old cultures from Kush, such as,
for example, the dying of the hair. So you see

(02:57:20):
people that are jet black, but why is their hair
reddish or yellow? Because just like the old days, they
use cow urine. They use col urine to wash the
hair in the cattle camps. The cow is everything to them,
and so if you do that over a period of
about six days with the col urin, it will change

(02:57:41):
the hair from black to a reddish or even a
yellow color. And so when you see an ancient images,
ancient paintings that go back thousands of years, the people
are still doing it today. And it's amazing because they
don't know about those images from three and four thousand

(02:58:02):
years ago, four and a half thousand years ago. They
don't know those images, but they can tell you today
exactly why they're practicing their culture in the way that
they do. So the documentary is to be able to
not just document the current lifeways, but to show that
there is a direct connection to those same practices in

(02:58:25):
the distant past. And so no one has done the
work to answer the questions of what is the origins
of ancient cush So that's what my work has been
in Gambela. So it's doing work in the field in
the most remote of the remote areas. Among the five
main groups in Gambrela, it's the Aniak, the Majane, the Opo,

(02:58:50):
the Newere and the Como. These are the five main
groups in Gambrella. And so the work in the field
with the film crew was for me. I'm actually interviewing chiefs,
elders and heroes to give insight about their ideas, their beliefs,

(02:59:11):
their practices and a lot of the ceremonies. So it's
really amazing how we can see today ceremonial practices that
I mean, it's so stunningly similar that it's clearly the
same people. Not only that, but in some of the
scenes from the classical times for thousands, almost five thousand

(02:59:33):
years ago, you have the culture markings so called scarification.
But those culture markings from the distant past, they still
practice them today and it's the same. It's identical. So
it's pretty clear who the people were in the past.
So I don't have to do like the Egyptologists or
so called Nubiologists and guests and say, well, these are

(02:59:53):
Nilotic people from the past, or these are Southerners. No,
we don't have to use general terms typically who some
of the groups are, like the newir the noware are
in Gambella, but the noware also across the border in
larger numbers in South Sudan. So it's same with the Anaac.
They're in South Sudan. They're also in the Gambela area

(03:00:17):
of Ethiopia. So I've been doing work in the region
now for quite some time. So the documentary will be
Cushite groups in Gambrela. And after we were doing this
summer is documenting these details.

Speaker 6 (03:00:30):
All right?

Speaker 3 (03:00:30):
Hold up though, right then we come back. I've got
some folks got questions for you, But my question too
is did you find Adds something that's stunning extraordinary during
all these interviews that you can share with us something
that you never knew before, As well, family, we have
a great conversation with our guess for the SMA New Round.
Pinning is one of our top scholars. You want to
join the conversation, you got a question, reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

(03:00:53):
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Speaker 2 (03:00:54):

Speaker 3 (03:01:23):
Grand Rising family, thanks sort of rolling us all morning
along here with our guests right now. It happens to
be Professor Mannu Pim. He's one of our top scholars, teachers,
a contracost to college out in California, Northern California, just
back from a trip to Chemis and Ethiopia, and he
mentioned he stopped in Ethiopia and did a documentary on
the Cushi groups in Gambella. And my question to you,

(03:01:44):
professoram Pinel repeated, Uh, during those interviews that you did
with with you met with chiefs, elders and and just
local heroes in these villagers, anything they told you that
really stood out you, that shot you or something.

Speaker 6 (03:01:57):
That you didn't know.

Speaker 8 (03:01:59):
Yeah, you know, I was in Gambela last year and
so this year I made a I made a commitment
to come back with the team to document more professionally
the field work we were doing last year. There was
a couple of things that stood out this year that
we will definitely present in the documentary when it's ready.
Is that among the among the Aniwak, which is a

(03:02:22):
major group and as I mentioned Gambela and South Sudan,
I didn't know so that they called the chief. They
the title of chief is Quaro. I'm very familiar with quarrel,
but I did not know that they they actually talked
about a a king that they called Nia, and so

(03:02:43):
they gave great details about the Nia among the Animak,
which I was not familiar with from what I knew
in the past. So this was this was very important
information and I thought about it. I know that the
Aniwak have a you know, a very detailed structural uh
format to their leadership, as do the group that they're

(03:03:03):
linked with, the Shilluk, So I said, that makes sense
that they would actually have not just a chief but
a regional king. That was something very important. And also
I will say what stood out among so many different
other things that they came up is the fact that

(03:03:24):
they have I already knew they have a connection to
the fauna the animals in the area as they integrate
them into their life, like for example, the ostrich. The
ostrich is the fundamental big bird or bird in general,
the fundamental bird in the entire region. And that's been
the case in antiquity. A lot of people hear about

(03:03:44):
my At the goddess Mahat from Kimmi represented by the
ostrich feather. So the ostrich continues today to be the
premier bird in the area. For rich some one thing
they were the Ostrich feather. But there's an area called
penn Udo. So udo is one of the terms for ostrich.
But there's an area called pen Udo, which means land

(03:04:06):
of the ostrich. And that's something I was not aware
of before that also stood out. That's very significant because
they name places based on the dominance of animals. For example,
even named Gambella itself, it means to catch well different interpretations.
One is to catch the tale of a male leopard

(03:04:29):
because of the dominance of the leopard and anybody that's
somewhat familiar. If not, you can look it up. You
see that the most important ceremonies for the transfer of
chieftainship or transfer of kingship in the past or the present.
They use in the entire region, going back to antiquity,

(03:04:49):
they use the leopard skin outfit. The leopard skin that's
what's worn by the by the nia, the quarrel or
the spiritual leader. And it's amazing that all of the
cats in the area they choose the leopard skin as
was done in antiquity. When you see rituals and ceremonies
in classical Africa, it's the high priest or the so

(03:05:12):
called pharaoh wearing the leopard skin. Now, for anybody that's concerned,
they're not going around they're killing a bunch of leopards
because it's not that easy. Leopards are very secret. Leopards
hunt alone, they move alone. It's very difficult to track
and hunting leopards. So no one's going around just killing
a bunch of leopards. Plus they're protected in the region.

(03:05:33):
But when there's rituals, they use the leopard skin outfit,
which is what I was aware of, But I didn't
know about the Pinudle the land of the ostrich because
this is very important. The people are placing so much
emphasis on only a couple of animals, as was done
by Africans.

Speaker 11 (03:05:50):
In the past.

Speaker 8 (03:05:51):
We can't interview the Africans from four and five thousand
years ago because they're not around, but we certainly can
observe the cultural lifeways and ceremonies and rituals today. Interview
them about why the choice of these animals, and they
give insight that's absolutely stunning, which I was familiar with.
But now we're able to document this in film and
people will be stunned at the level of insight of

(03:06:13):
what they know about the intimate details of the animal.
It almost seems as though they have it's not the case,
but it almost seems as though they have the animals
in an enclosed zoo area because they have that. Those
kinds of observations are stunning, and say, how do you
know this?

Speaker 4 (03:06:28):
You know?

Speaker 8 (03:06:28):
So this is always amazing when we're talking with the
people that have deep knowledge about their culture. The other
thing I would point out that was an element to
look into is that it's clear that they're losing some
of their knowledge because as we go to the different
villages in the most remote areas, it's hard to get
to because during the rainy season, there's nowhere the land,

(03:06:49):
the road is impenetrable. You can't get there. It's more
like a trail. It's not even really a road, but
it's hard to get there. So in some of the areas,
it's clear to me that not everybody has the same
level of knowledge about the past, you know, so they
because they haven't seen in some areas, they haven't seen
a leopard in eight to ten years. In other areas,

(03:07:11):
they haven't seen in Ostrich. So the elders and the
chiefs and those that know on a deep level they remember,
but not other people. So that's why when we're doing
the interviews, you'll see a lot of the village folks
around to learn, you know, children, different people of different ages,

(03:07:31):
the women. They're there because they want to listen in
at this level of questioning about their cultural traditions. And
so this was very energizing to see that the community
is very thankful of my work. And one thing that
stood out in one interview after another, they were very
appreciative to me for the independent work that's not connected

(03:07:56):
to usaid, is not connected even to my college. This
is my life mission. This is why I'm out in
the field doing this kind of difficult work because it's
a story that hasn't been told from antiquity to the president.
So a lot of the chiefs were very thankful, very
appreciative of me to ask these kind of detailed questions

(03:08:16):
that they have not thought about in many years. And
one of the Antimac chiefs, he said very specifically that
he now is more excited, more energized, more motivated to
keep teaching and connecting to these cultural traditions because I
was reminding him of how important they were. And this chief,

(03:08:38):
by the way, Animac chief, he's not in the village.
He was given great details about a palace in the
Animak tradition, but he's not living in the village. He said.
The people have forgotten. They've forgotten how the palace should
be built. They've forgotten this kind of tradition. So he
said he should be living in the village, but he's not.

(03:08:59):
He's in Gambala City and he was just thinking about this.
I asked him, you know, where's your residence. He told
me he's in the city because the people don't remember
these details. And that he said he was more motivated,
more energized, more driven to not just remember, but to
teach others about this, this tradition that they have been

(03:09:19):
practicing and goes back many, many uncountable number of years
in generations. So these are some of the things that
that stood out in our field research that we were
filming for the documentary on Kushite groups in Gambrella.

Speaker 3 (03:09:36):
All right, I got some folks to talk to. You
got questions for you as well, right now at nine
away from the top. They Cliff in Connecticut's Online One
and Family. Make it question short so he can respond
real quick. Cliff, your professor, am professor.

Speaker 8 (03:09:50):
Are you familiar with the Ethiopian Bible and then explain
how that's different from the King James version of the Bible. Yes,
I'm familiar with her. Yeah, it's got more books. Yeah,
the the Orthodox Church they have more books than the
King James version of the Bible. Yes, I'm familiar. And
it's written in Giez that's the language before m Harrik,

(03:10:13):
so it links us back to the old period of Aksum.
So yes, that their their Bible is very important for
us to know about their ongoing traditions.

Speaker 3 (03:10:25):
All right, thanks Cliff. Let's go to Herbert in DC
online too. Herbert, your question for Professor Impim Is Herbert
there online too, Kevin?

Speaker 7 (03:10:38):
Yeah, can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (03:10:39):
Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 8 (03:10:40):
Now go ahead bro, oh okay, grand rising.

Speaker 20 (03:10:43):
But to call and to the professor, h I hear
you speaking about the cush heis a cushion, the cush heights.
They are ancient maps that showed that that area we
call Africa today was indeed called land of Kush and
the people were indeed Kushites. Now I have a few studies.

(03:11:07):
I have learned that the word or the name Africa
is a European name that was named after Leo and
Scipio Africanas Italians. Could you shed some light on that,
would you please?

Speaker 17 (03:11:21):
Thank you sir?

Speaker 8 (03:11:23):
Okay, yeah, you're welcome. Yeah. Yeah, those are the These
are the proposed origins of the name Africa. And there's
some people think it's another name that doctor Ben gave.
But other than that, there are no names that indigenous
Africans gave for the entire continent. Even though Africans traveled

(03:11:43):
by boat by land, they were great world travelers. But
the fact is, there's no evidence that Africans named whole continents.
They just didn't do that. The name of continents or
is done by Europeans who came later. But they named
these regions, and it's interesting because they named the regions
that they later conquered. But yeah, so you're correct about

(03:12:04):
the name Africa, but we use Africa because so that's
the modern terms that we all are on the same
page about what geographical location we're referring to. But before
the name Africa was used for the entire continent, we
only have regional names. Even going back to antiquity, have
regional names and nothing more than that. So that's that's

(03:12:24):
kind of how we have understood different areas and why
we stay Africa today just because it's more common. So
we're all on the same page of what region referring to.
But there are no original names for the entire cottinent
am Africa. And that also includes a Cabalon. I know
you didn't say that, but there's people listening that have
heard the name. There's no susting as a Cablon doesn't exist.

(03:12:48):
Map sorry, no maps, no evidence, no documents. People assume
that because one of our great scholars mentioned it. But
documentation beats conversation. We have to verify things so that
we're accurate as we move forward.

Speaker 3 (03:13:01):
I'm glad to clear that because that's the question I
was going to ask us, I've heard that all all along,
about the different names for Africa that was the original name.

Speaker 8 (03:13:10):
Yes, that's that's false. I remember I was talking with
the great language doctor Theophilobinga when he was here in
northern California. We were talking and kind of laughing at
people have bought into this cavelon bookstores. The cavelen has
become family names and all of this. It's the great
doctor Ben who mentioned it without a single piece of evidence.
It doesn't take away from doctor Ben's greatness. It just means,

(03:13:32):
on this point he's not correct because there's no evidence
for it. Plus, it doesn't really make sense. How could
the the Carthaginians or Romans have named the entire continent
that they never navigated around, so it you know, it
just doesn't make sense. But even if someone made that argument,
where is the evidence. We're independent thinkers. We need independent

(03:13:52):
evidence that we could independently verify. Show us a map,
show us a document. But that's just the way it is.
Unfortunately that we respect peopleeole and we just listen to
what they have to say. We go with it, and
we don't think that verification is necessary. As we move
forward in the twenty first century.

Speaker 3 (03:14:08):
So it was the same thing you run into with
the Willie Lynch letter. You know, we were allbody was
talking about that, and some people still today believe it happened.
Somehow you figured it out that.

Speaker 6 (03:14:19):
He wasn't true.

Speaker 8 (03:14:20):
Matter matter of fact, the carl was a few days ago.
I haven't even had to check to see if somebody
followed up. There's a prominent influencer that was on Facebook.
I don't remember her name off hand, but she laid
out some Willie Lynch syndrome. And while we're suffering today,
I said, all due respect, there's no such thing. Didn't exist.
There was no Willie Lynch in seventeen twelve, and so

(03:14:42):
you need to remove that from your analysis because our
problems are not related to some mythical white guy that
gave one iceletted speech three hundred years ago and somehow
through magic that explains our entire in our entire condition.
And it looked like there were thousands of people that
had responded to this influence. So that's why I decided
to weigh in and gave the link to my book

(03:15:04):
Death of the Woollie Lynch speech exposed in the myths
in order to stop some of the misinformation that circulates
in our community.

Speaker 3 (03:15:12):
Yeah, a lot of it by these internet scholars. All
of a sudden they become, you know, sophisticated and knowledgeable
about things that they absolutely don't know about. Listen, we
got about sixty seconds, and so I apologize to the
folks who sent me tweet questions because we'll have to
wait till next time to get to them. But Professor,
I'm PIM. How can we get reach you? How can
we follow you? How can we see this this document

(03:15:34):
you as you did on the brothers and sisters in cush.

Speaker 8 (03:15:37):
Yeah. So so the simple way is Main New and
PIM at gmail. That them may in you a m
p I M May New and PM at gmail. And
the documentary is the big project. We need help. We
have a go fund me campaign.

Speaker 14 (03:15:51):
So whether it's please reach out keeping help, we.

Speaker 8 (03:15:54):
Have a big time go fund me campaign to support
the Gambela group in the kick that in given better
dopti the lead.

Speaker 3 (03:16:03):
All right, thank you for real to cut it down.
The leader's flat out of time. Thank you, Professor Impi.
Family classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy.
See you tomorrow morning, right here at six o'clock in
Baltimore on ten ten.

Speaker 6 (03:16:17):
If you owe the I R S, here's a question.

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