Professor Manu Ampim, Pamela Boyce-Simms & Dr. Ganaka Lagoke

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday. Later, distinguished
California scholar man You and Pen returned to our classroom.
Now Professor un Penn, who detected that the Willy Lynch
letter was a fake. A lot of people run around
still quoting the Willy Lynch letter. He was the person
who received that he was a fake. He was going
to delve into the history of Africa's greatest leaders are kings,
queens and chiefs. I like that for Professor un Pen, though,

(00:23):
Paula Brice Simms will preview a prostate cancer warness seminar
taking place coming up, and Mamma Charilie Lincoln University Professor
doctor Ganaka Logoki will update us on the situation involved
in the hell Nations on the continent. But as usually,
we got to get Kevin to open up the classroom
doors for us on this hump day, Grand Rising, Kevin,
your thoughts this morning? How are you feeling?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Excellent?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Carl Nelson, thank you for asking my brother, because it's
another wonderful Wednesday, the eighth of October and just a
minute past six, so no better time than the present.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
How are you feeling, hey, Kevin?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm still learning, bro I'm still I'm standing in that
mode forever.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Sure, I certainly understand that that's where where growth comes from.
That's where impact comes from. As you learn, you teach,
and as you listen, you learn. So you're inspiring us all.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Brother, That's the key, though, listen because you can't learn
if you if you're not listening. Some people don't listen.
You probably notice that from on this program. You know,
instead of asking a question, they don't listen. They just
want to say what they want to say, instead of
asking a question listening to what some of the guests
are saying.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
But yeah, you got to listen. That's Keith Hence two ears,
you know that kind of that kind of admonition. And
speaking of listening, man, are the Republicans listening to America's cry?
You know they say that in political Trump's off script

(01:55):
comments are causing shut down headaches for the entire g
O PET and you know President Trump, Speaker Mike Johnson,
Senate Majority Leader John Thune are straining to project a
united front against the Democrats. Now aren't they supposed to

(02:16):
be working together?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know what I mean? Okay, red tie versus blue
tie kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
But you still are wearing a tie, so you can
agree that, you know, the costume is the.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Same these guys are, I don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
And yeah, they are being paid well, well, hundreds or
if not millions of Americans are not being paid to
work for the federal covenant. And you know, I think
that's one of the first things we need to change, family,
because if they would feel the pinch, they'll probably you know,
reach a compromise quicker than what they're doing right now.
Because right now I understand that that Donald Trump is

(02:53):
thinking about laying off a bunch of folks and not
just furloughing it that they just won't just firing them
straight out. So they want to go on Friday. I
think Friday's when most of the federal workers get paid, Kevin,
And from what I understand, many of them are not
going to get paid and may not even get paid
when whenever the situation is resolved, you know, the back
pay as well, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, I saw an article about that whole idea that
the several organizations that were supposed to be paid may
not be getting paid. But from this political article political article,
it says that Trump says that he would like to
see a deal made for great healthcare and that he

(03:35):
was willing to talk to the.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Democrats about it.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
But then he walked that back and said, I'm happy
to work with the Democrats on their failed health care
policies or anything else, but they must allow the government
to reopen, and so he's holding them hostage. Right reopen
and then we'll talk about it.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
What you know, Yeah, he saw that both sides of
his mouth. It sounded like he understood what was going on.
One of the I think it is Marsrey Taylor Green,
one of those support one of his key supporters who's
not supporting uh, the Republicans on this one, because she
she understood her people have told her that the health
care UH money is going to go up, It's going

(04:18):
to triple if if the healthcare runs out at the
end of the year. And this is what the Democrats
are trying to say, the health ACA, and you know,
this is that's the problem. And we don't know if
they're stuck on the fact that it's known as Obamacare
is something that Obama achieved or got through because you know,
and we talked about this before, Kevin, some of our scholars,
we're the only country that we have to pay for

(04:39):
health care, you know, with the other all the other country,
all the developing world, you're going to you've got a
problem next door to Canada, Mexico you're taking care of.
And what and what they've been saying is that we're
using the money to take a quote unquote illegal aliens,
undocumented citizens. And that came there, came up that they
if they if one of them has some sort of disease,

(04:59):
that that's you know, trying disease that you can pass
on everybody else. You're gonna treat them, or you're going
to allow them to be treated of everybody else. Or
they're bleeding out on the table, you're gonna let them
bleed out and then or ask them for the insurance.
So it gets to all these ethical questions too, But
go ahead. What else is jumping off?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Well, part of the disagreement in Congress is the tensions
that surfaced yesterday after a White House Budget Office memo
raised questions about a federal law.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I got to look that up.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
A federal law guaranteeing back pay for furloughed federal workers,
one that Johnson and Thune both voted for in twenty nineteen.
And so now the one else is trying to ignore that.
Wait a second, Okay, is it a rhetorical question? Is
the White House ignoring that law?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, they tried to, you know, but that is the law,
and speak of Jeffreys mentioned that that is the law.
But more important, well not more important, but one of
the issues too with this, this this layoff, this stalemate,
if you will, Kevin, is the flight the causing all
kinds of problems with the flights across the country, not
only this country, because you know, flights are all connected,
so it's globally. It hasn't It started spreading a Burbank

(06:15):
ount in California, Burbank you know, uh, they didn't show up.
And now it's going to you know, it's going into Newark,
it's going into some bigger airports where where these folks
and not showing up for work. They're not getting paid,
so they're calling in sick. So you know what happened
the last time with ron O Reagan did that when
they try to unionize. But hopefully we're not there yet.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well yeah, According to the Associated Press, the staffing shortages
are leading to flight delays at the airports across the
US and starting yesterday, and the federal government shut down
stretched into its seventh day, while the union leaders for
air traffic controllers and airport security screeners warned that the
situation is likely to get worse. It's gonna get worse

(06:59):
before it gets Flight disruptions also were tied to insufficient
staffing during this shutdown, which began at the beginning of
the month, and the FAA reported issues on Monday at
airports in Burbank, Newark, and Denver, and about ninety of

(07:20):
more than twenty three thousand flights departing from US airports
took off on time, according to Aviation and Analytics. So
you know, you better call ahead before you take that flight.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
If you got a flight today anywhere in the country,
anywhere in the world, just call ahead to make sure
your flight's going to be on time.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, because if you're gonna go to the Bahamas.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Guess what the x NFL star herschel Walker is now
the first US Bahamas ambassador in nearly fifteen years. Herschel Walker,
He's the ambassador to Bahamas. What a great job, don't
you think.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Oh, it's an excellent job. You're fifteen minutes away from Miami,
so it's basically here on vacation. But the only thing
I'm happy for, you know, all these jobs that are
handed out finally because we are paying them. That's our
tax money. So it's going to regardless how you feel
about Herschel at least he's black, So it's going into
some black hands because how you feel about it. But
it's going on the other hands that don't look like us,

(08:18):
you know. So for that standpoint, you almost got to
find something positive of all these stories, no matter how
you feel about Herschel. But he's now the US Ambassadors
of the Bahamas. But we're paying for him and all
the staff and all of that. So hey, those those
moneys are going into a black hand. So that's how
I look at that one.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Kevin, Oh, I see that was an interesting how does
summer colds win?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
A wrap up? But check this out Herschelwalker.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Herschel Walker was one of more than one hundred nominees
confirmed in a single vote. It's like being a you know,
a one take super hit recording. Out of the one
hundred nominees, they confirmed him in a single vote. After
the Republican and lawmakers changed the rules to allow quicker

(09:06):
confirmation of President Donald Trump's nominees.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
You know, yeah, and they've been they've been figuring out
ways to circumvent the laws, regulations, rules and all of that.
Somehow they've studied it, just like we talked about yesterday
with that obscure law that they in the Insurrection Act
that they're thinking about of eighteen oh seven. You know,
they've figured a way to do that, to figure out loopholes,
because you know, just about every kind of law, regulation, whatever,

(09:33):
it has a loophole, and if it's not there, they'll
go ahead and implement it. They know you're going to
sue and go to the Supreme Court, where they hope
they'll they'll win.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well, the Bahamas has been without an ambassador since twenty eleven,
and it's one of only five countries including Bolivia, Cuba
without an ambassador for more than a decade. And I
was reading somewhere, maybe it's in this article where China. Yeah,
here it is having an ambassador in place more important
than ever because China is aggressively projecting power and malign influence.

(10:06):
Herschel Walker said that at his confirmation hearing last month.
He said it built a nearly three billion dollar deep
water port and has made other investments and sensitive sectors
that could have implications for US national security. So by
having Herschel there, apparently he can kind of slow down

(10:26):
Chinese domination in the Bahamas.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
But he's to deal with that, Kevin, the United States
hasn't shown any love to those countries, and here comes
China or somebody else wants to show them so love.
And it goes to the African countries as well, and
then I'll expect it to accept it. You know, it's
like we're breaking up, but I don't want you to
go with him because I don't like him, you know
what I'm saying. That's what it is. So the Chinese

(10:50):
are coming to help with infrastructure. They tuned it all
across the content, and we'll ask doctor of the gold
care a Baptis as well, and so they're accepting it.
So all of a sudden, the United States gonna wait
a mint that you can't accept that from China. You know,
we've been buddies for quite some time, especially for the Bahamas.
You're on our doorstep, I mean fifteen minutes away flight
from Miami. You're in Nassau. So you know why you,

(11:12):
why is you helping China to set up shop on
our doorsteps. So that's that's the concern there. It's not
the care about the Bahamians, if you will that, it's
the proximity of where the Bahamas is through the United States.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
You're right, trying to slow China down sort of.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
And it's a great gig. By the way that Herschel
has got a Maxing Water's husband had that post during
the Clinton administration. That was that was yeah, he was
a station. He was the US Ambassador of the Bahamas
who while Clinton was in office. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Well, my final headline for this Wednesday morning is that
Governor Moore announces a launch of loan programs for essential
employees who are working without pay during the federal government shutdown.
So and that's his response to the ongoing shut down,
which seems to.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
They can't seem to agree it.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
And it's almost the weekend and at a time when,
according to the Maryland dot website, Wes Moore says, at
a time when the federal government is stepping back from
its most basic obligations, Maryland is stepping up.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
To protect our people.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
And he says the emergency support we announce will keep
public servants aflow as we enter a second week of
this shutdown, but no state can continue to fill the
massive gap created by Washington.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah. The only thing is I got to watch the
interest rate. Just like any loan. All of us can
get loans, you know what I'm saying. We all can
get loans. But what's the interest rate, Governor. I hope
it's I hope it's a pretty good interest rate or
no interest rate at all, zero interest rate for those
folks who really need the money who are laid off
from the federal government. So that's the only thing I
would check.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Right, You don't want Guido to come to your door
bring get a breaking your own. You went there, did
It's time for me to take that breaking?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, I think so. Thanks for your time, go all right,
Thanks Kevin. Thirteen minutes after the top of the Family,
doctor ganaka Legok Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
Thanks very good morning, a Cab.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
And good morning as well, doctor Legoki. You always rely
on you to give us an update what's going on
the Sale Nations and the Francophone African nations as well.
We talked to just having that conversation with Kevin about
the news about UH. The US concerned about China investing
in the Bahamas, but China has also been investing on
the African continent for quite some time. Is there any

(13:41):
pushback from any other country because the Chinese, the Russians
are all over the continent now, is they are the
new colonial leaders now that are African brothers and sisters
should be concerned with or they're really coming to help
build infrastructure across the entire continent. How do you see it?

Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yes, you know, we we had this UH, we'll be
having this conversation. And I think that said, it is
a good thing that African countries don't have to rely
exclusively on the West. And then now I have a
sentence that I like to repeat that the bricks nations UH, Brazil, Russia,

(14:24):
in the China, South Africa, then they give the power
of choice. You know too those African countries about UH,
the paradigm need to need to change. And because even
though China and Russia they want to defy or they

(14:44):
want to challenge the American Germany, but they have not
changed so far the economic paradian to which they are
doing business in Africa. Yes, we welcome UH. The security
that Russia is providing to some African countries, are particularly
looking Afa, so Mali and Nizie. We welcome the building

(15:10):
of infrastructures, you know by China in Africa, but they
need to go away or move away from the neo
liberal economic paradigm according to which everything is a bad profit.
And then now they we don't see the empowerment of
communities and then those countries and then they have some

(15:38):
civilizational world views that they can claim, you know, the
based on solidarity and social justice in order to really
bring the change the sick in the world. So this
is my position. So in China, for instance, they have
Confucianism and then now in Russia they have me m
I r and they are civil to do Bunta philosophy,

(16:01):
which is guid West South Africa, which put emphasis on
your meanness, in humanness and in suliderite and social justice.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Ald of Thor right there, we've gotta step aside a
few moments, a doctor Lagoke. But aren't they mortgaging their future?
Though these Russians and the Chinese end up helping rebuild
the infrastructure or create infrastructure on the continent. They getting
paid and our African brothers sisters giving up some gold
and minerals and all kinds of resources just for this,
just for these safety concerns when we get back, can

(16:33):
you address that as well also if he can tell
so if France is in trouble because of this, what's
going on in the Sale nations and give us an
update on to hell nations as well. Family is just
waking up. I guess is doctor Ganachi Lagoke teaches a
Lincoln University in Pennsylvania discussing what's going on in the continent.
You can reach us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight to seventy six and we'll taket
phone calls next and grind rising family. Thanks of waking

(16:56):
up with us on this Wednesday morning at twenty minutes
after the top there our guess there is a doctor
Ganaka Lagoki teaches at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, and he's
always the one who gives us what information what's going on,
especially on the continent, especially with the Francophone nations. And
before we left, he was telling us about the Chinese
and the Russians are all over the continent. But my
question is they're not doing it, you know, because they

(17:17):
like our brothers and sisters on the continent, they're getting paid.
And the question is are these African countries who are
doing business and you mentioned the bricks nations, all of
them were doing big businesses. They're mortgaging their future dot
to legoko. They're giving up the minerals, the gold, the
diamonds just for some security or some promises from from
the Russians and the Chinese. What say you.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Definitely you know, uh, they hope to have to build
some businesses like before Russia and China on the win
win basis. This is what we hear. Yes, the Russians
and Chinese are not there to do a humanitarian job.

(18:02):
They are there in order to make profits, uh, and
then in order to advance the geopolitical agenda as China,
for instance, UH is willing to take over the American
position as the world leader. So this is what this
is the reality. But the other institution is that African

(18:23):
countries they do not have a leverage in order to
negotiate in a better position because one of the weaknesses
of those African countries. Instead of organizing themselves as blocks,
they are doing uh. They're negotiating either with Russia or
China on the individual basis. So even for the sales states,

(18:50):
they put together like a federation or confederation of the
sales states to confederation. But when I'm when I'm hearing,
what I'm seeing, what I'm reading is that Mali, you know,
when they want to do something before Russia, it is
Malai in Russia. When I see in Nize, is Nizia

(19:12):
and Russia book booking a Russia. Last time I think
on your show, I was talking about the issue of reparations.
For instance, the French told them, they told the people
in Zia, okay, we are willing to consider the conversation
a bad repreasons in but because at the beginning of

(19:33):
the twentieth century there was a massacre Ina. So how
j I can even think about having a conversation with
friends and bad repressions on individual basis, They're not even
thinking about rallying Mali and book as in that conversation.
So that this is what I'm seeing, And then that's

(19:55):
why those individual African countries have difficulty to really negotiate
before in China, if they were cleave me pan Africanism
and if they were the way they say, if they
wanted to build a united out. Maybe they can have
like a better negotiation begaining, but it's not what we

(20:15):
were seeing.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
How do you say, though, doctor, is it a divide
and conquered that, Well, let's use the house stations because
they've combined on many issues. But now you said that
Mally is cutting a deal with the Russians instead of saying, Hey,
if you're dealing with us, you got to deal with
Nicheer and Bikino Fosters as well. We're a package. You know,
everything we do is a package deal. So China, you

(20:37):
want to cut a deal, you got to call a
deal with all three of us, forgetting about you know, Syria,
Leon and Senegal and Court of War and some of
the other Francophone nations. Uh do you think that's what
they should have done that? Do you think or do
they recognize it as a divide and conker move?

Speaker 5 (20:54):
I don't even you know, it's not like it's not
like I want to think that Russia and China are
not empires. But in the case, in the situation in
Africa and the relationship between China and Russia, I don't think.
I don't even think that they think about divine and

(21:16):
conquered politics. The Europeans are the ones I wanted to
Eupinian talking about the Western world with the worst work.
It is the one that does that since slavery.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
UH.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
I've recently as a last year or two years ago,
I saw it a statement by the Chinese president Sujinping
who was saying that he was more in favor of
a stronger integration of the African economies. So it depends,
it depends on those if those African leaders. For instance,

(21:50):
there was the nuclep that what they did that was
seized by Mali and Russia. But the nuclear plants that
they won't put They want to put it in Mali.
But really, you guys are three talking about the alliance
of the sales states. Why Mali can't Why Booking and

(22:10):
Mali they cannot rally around that particular project because they
need UH to have electricity. Why they have to do
that on an individual basis. So that's my that's my issue.
So for me, the primary responsibility is African I'm talking
about those size states. They're doing many good things, but
they are not moving fast enough in order to have

(22:34):
like a stronger integration of the economies. So this is
what if everyone is talking about the see if a thrink,
we will talk about that in a few Yes, it
is important. But in the midtime I was in Mali
in twenty twenty four. They have some serious electricity issue
in Mali, so if they want to take care of
that booking up as well as also some electricity issue

(22:55):
Niche too. My view is that they have to come
together uh in the name of Pan Africanism, in the
name of the integration of the economies to try and
sign dealings with Russia or China on like through the
prison of the of the of the confiseration of the
cell state spirits. That's my position. So as I think

(23:17):
that it is more the Africans because you know, China
is so far China is not showing that they want
to divide those African countries and conquer. They don't even
need it. China is too powerful. They have been building
with the rebuilding rules and then bridges, bridges and a
stadium in Africa. And then if those African people say,
you know what, maybe if we build the state a stadium,

(23:41):
for instance in Mali, we want the stadium to be
for instance for the threes, for the three countries. But
we are not seeing that conversation, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
And we get back to that, you know, building stadiums,
the infrastructure I think they should be fighting for that
can make money. I mean, I know we need stadiums
and they probably right for soccer games. But I understand
that part. But hole I thought right there, Doctor Legoke.
It's twenty seven minutes after the top of their family.
Thanks of waking up with us on this Wednesday morning.
Mark's joining us. He's in Baltimore City. He's online too.

(24:12):
He has a question for doctor Legoke. Grand rise in
market on with doctor Legoke.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
Yes, the good morning, gentlemen. And by the way, I
want to again wish you and all your listeners are
happy Jewish New Year. The year is fifty seven eighty six,
so I hope it's a sweet year for all. My
question is is concerning the ideal of balance. The United States,
despite the fact that its main policy is America's First,
still has an interest overseas in a lot of different continents,
including Africa. So my question is what does the United

(24:40):
States have to do to balance It's up against the
influence of Russia and Red China. As far as having
a say in what goes on in Africa. I mean,
I mean, building roads is one thing, but trying to
take away the wealth of the great Wealth of continent
offers and then using it for taking it back to

(25:03):
its own country, taking away from the clunty. It's rather unfair.
And I know the United States like to have fairness
involved in US. So what does the United States have
to do to to balance us out? But they're present
of some kind, But what do you say about that?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
All right? Thanks Mark, and doctor Logg. You know that
he mentioned the phrase red China. I haven't heard that
in quite at some time, but anyway, I know you
picked up on that as well. Though Doctor Logga had
to respond to Mark's question. Thank you Mark. Doctor.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
Yes, I don't know if first of all, we'll be
talking about America first with the current president Donald Trump. No,
so uh. The second element is that I don't know.
I'm not so sure that that the United the United

(25:52):
States is the embodiment of fairness when it comes to business.
I'm not so sure about that, particularly in relationship between
the United States and then colonized countries or countries that
were colonized. So we know the history of the United
States in Haiti, in Venezuela, in many other places in
the world. In Africa, we know, we know the role

(26:15):
of the United States in the assassination of butches to
Mumba because they wanted to use, like us, a mineral
to build a nuclear bomb. So yes, and then so
we know what affect the nuclear bomb was before, but
they don't because they wanted to increase the power. So
we I don't think that America is the embodiment of
furness when it comes to that. Now, what the United

(26:36):
States should do uh to another to counter China. It
is a powert serving and listenings and listening to the
needs of the African masses. We are tired of that
war between Russia and China. Yesterday they were talking about
the Cold War. In the name of the Cold War,

(26:59):
then Africa became a battle ground of bloody walls and
then destortion of properties and then many other businesses. So
today again the only thing America wants to do is
to train and country China. But if they wanted to
really do things in the country cot to Africa, the
first thing is to help people to feed themselves. But

(27:20):
be the United States that subsidized it's agricultural products. Is
that subsidized It's fathers be the Europeans who do not
want African countries to become self sufficient like in the
field of agriculture in many other sectors. But the only
thing we want basic needs. We want to be able
to feed ourselves. We want to be about, you know,

(27:42):
to control our resources. But we are not seen that
we either be with China, of Russia or the United States.
So this is what I want to say, you know,
to answer mass questions.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
And I'm glad you went there at twenty nine away
from the top of the our family. Just check it
in I guess you start to Ganka Legoke, he teaches
at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, and these eyes and ears
and what's going on in the Francophone world on the continent.
But but having said that, though, what what what does
Africa need to do? So because the resources that they have,

(28:15):
they they send them to other countries, first world countries
if you will, using those terms, and then they import
them back. Why can't they cut out the middleman? Why
can't they just you know, use the mineral resources they have,
even though like cocoa for example, instead of sending it
off to other countries to make chocolate. Why can't they
have the plants there to build uh chocolate, to create

(28:36):
the chocolate candies or chocolate drink or whatever. What?

Speaker 8 (28:38):
What?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Why they have to export the export their minerals and
then import them back at a higher rate. I hope
you understand what I'm trying to get out here now.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
And you're very knowledgeable person. You know, even your you
have the answer to your own question. But just because
I'm years so I'm going to and answer uh you
when I've talked about that issue, I talked about the
responsibility of African leaders. But at the same time, it
is more, it is like it is deeper than the

(29:11):
flaws and the weaknesses of African leaders because as you know,
most of the leaders that we had, I we really
care about our people. You know, we know the tragic
feet the you know they endured or they have to face.
And so I'm going to take the example of the first,

(29:34):
what the greatest on the country of Africa, Kwameran Kruma
than I was the first country to be independent in
South South Africa in nineteen fifty seven. Beautiful moments of
global solidarity trans national and transracial a moment. Our King
was a sling ceremony. Many of the Black American leaders

(29:57):
were there. But guess what when the US beat everything
possible with the European countries like friends and maybe in
England in order to break the spirit of self determination
in Ghana, Comunicuma was over grown February twenty four, nineteen
sixty six. And then I saw a video of Comuncuba

(30:19):
myself saying that we won our political sovereignity. It is
when we were about to win our economist sovereignity that
they decided to come and Attackles. I've seen that video
in Crima wrote in nineteen sixty five neocolonialism the last
stage of imperialism. That book Eccording to People has sealed
its tragic feet. In that book we can see how

(30:42):
you know the Western world used its companies in order
to know themIn this dispirit of and the man the
economist ofeignity of Africa. So I can give the example
of doctor King April sixty and April fourth, ninety sixty
Malcolm makes faberuty to the first ninety sty five many
other Particianmby was talking about all the people wanted to
do the right thing. All Sylvanus Olympo from Togo who

(31:06):
wanted to change you have its own currency after the
second today who left the French African community. So Silvani
people has overthrown actility in the bloody could data. So
this is the fate of Africa. So if you have
leaders like im Crowry a civic guitar or journey in Nitia,

(31:27):
even despite their flaws, despite the limited vision, they mean, well,
then we see the proper Ganda. Everything that the European
do in another to undermand. So that's why those who
are in power who do not want to confirm the West,
you know, they want to go along and then they
go with that system of the new Colonel, new colonel
economic agenda and then they sell their raw materials, they

(31:51):
sell everything but the hope that they can secure enough
funds in order to do the development sixty years. It
did not work. So that's why today being the United
States or in Africa, you see the people of the
African global global community rising up because we want economist sovereignty.
So that is the that's the feat the you know,

(32:12):
that's the that that is the fate of Africa. And
then one example, I want to give you. I was
young and not read the first print of Africles who
fought who was close to the French, and the askim
a question, so you have cocoa, why you did not
build like a like a chocolate factory. I was so

(32:34):
shocked by his answer, and I'm selling that answer refew.
He said that if I wanted to build a chocolate factory,
the Europeans were not going to allow me to do that.
So this is what is happening in Africa. And now
the dunpo the American chicken present chicken in Ghana or
in different on the pat because as they would present

(32:55):
themselves as empires. The thing that the entire world is
a market that belongs you know, to them. So therefore
farmers in the group of stuff I can be edtion
have some subsidies in order to weaken, you know, the
farmers of those countries, for America, for friends, for England,

(33:20):
in order to go there and dump the manufactured products.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
All right, Hold up, all right there, doctor Legoka got
a step aside and get caught up on the ladies' news,
traffic and weather in our different cities. Also a tweet
question coming in tweeter and this is the tweet. I'll
let you respond to it when we get back. It says,
did this administration and they talking about the Trump administration
and stop allowing black folks from African countries and students
come into the country. So you want to get to
your thoughts in that. Maybe you've seen it on your
campus at Lincoln University. Family, you too can join our

(33:47):
conversation with doctor Ganaka Legoki. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls after the news. Trafficking weather
that's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up
with us on this Wednesday morning. It's hump day. That
means we're halfway through the work week and seventeen minutes
away from the top of the Hoyt with our guest
Dotor Kanaka Lagok. Teachers at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania right now,

(34:10):
a shout out to some of our teachers out there.
Are teachers getting ready to go to work and taking
care of our young people. We appreciate you, and please,
if you learn something this morning all the way to work,
share it with some of our young folks out there.
When you get into the classroom. Coming up later this morning,
we're gonna speak with Professor main new Ampim. It's one
of our top scholars. He was a guy who figured
out that the Willie Lynch letter was a fake. So
if you hear any brothers sisters quoting the real Lynch letter,

(34:31):
let him know who's a fake. He discovered this years ago.
But anyway, he's going to talk about the rich history
of Africa's and greatest leaders, kings, queens, the chiefs and
all that. He's going to discuss that. But before we
speak with Professor am Pim, we're going to speak with
Paula Bryce Simms. She's going to preview a prostate cancer
awareness seven that's coming up lately this week and tomorrow
we're gonna hear from Detroit activist sister Shanna Shakur with

(34:53):
some information about the mortgage crisis in Chicago. In Detroit,
I should say it's U pardon me, Detroit is impacting
our force. Also, Professor James Small will be here and
also flip that stock JR. Fenwick and j says, this
is a great time to get in the stock market.
You can explain why. So if you are in Baltimore.
I make sure you keep you radio locked in tight
on ten ten WLB if you're in the DMV though,

(35:13):
or on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen
fifty WOL. All right, doctor like, okay, well, let the
tweet question came in for you about this current administration stop.
I'm just reading it with then this administration stop aligning
black folks from African countries and students from this coming
into this country. So your thoughts if you've seen any
impact on that, especially on your campus at Lincoln University.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
So can you be the question please?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
The question is basically the impact of the Trump administration
restricting visas for foreign students, especially those from the African countries.
If you've seen any impact on the campus on your
campus this semester.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
One thing I can say is that we we do
the study Abroad program in Ghana. So we've been doing
that for for quite some time, for the last five
years and then with a Brainma College. Uh and the
program is led by like like by doctor Alice Lesnik

(36:17):
from Brainmarck College. But our students who were supposed to go,
who were international students, you know, for some security reason,
they were not encouraged in order to make the move.
The same thing also as Brainma people. If the international students,
those who came from Africa, there was one lady from
from from Asia. Lads, they did not want to go

(36:40):
to Ghana because you don't know what will happen on
their way back to the United States. So at that
kind of thing, yes, and they also, uh, it's not
like we have like a like a big contingent of
African students every year, so we don't see how it
is affecting those wanted to come here. But yes, all

(37:01):
of us be worried because of the mood of the
because of the mood Indonesian. And then yes, many people
based on what I'm reading, Uh, you know right now
they want to either go to other places or they
put on hold, you know, their dreams, you know, to
come to the United States to study.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, fourteen away from the time I man even going
to England now to study ox Cambridge London School economics.
They got some great schools over there as well. But
back to the should nations on the continent, are they
causing problems for France yet you mentioned the SIFA, which
is the money that they use, and my contention is
why make your enemy print your money? Can you know,

(37:41):
can they find somewhere else? Can can it be printed
somewhere else? We're talking about Fiat money, the actual paper money.
Can it? Can it be printed somewhere else? Why? Why
did France control that? So your response, yeah, so this.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Is a it's a good thing that you know you
asking that question because in recent weeks we heard that
the Cell states they are going to leave another original
grouping in West Africa, because in West Africa, like in Africa,
there are several regional groupings. The most known.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Hopefully we haven't lost to doctor Legoke Kevin Challemes like
his his line drop see if you can get him
back for us. It's thirteen minutes away from the top
of the family. I guess they starts to Ganaka. Lagoke
teaches a Lincoln University in Pennsylvania. Also todd At Howard
his Eyes and Ears and what's going on in Francophone
sections of the continent. And we've talked about the shale nations,

(38:46):
Burkino Fassa and this year and Mali they broke away
from Echo Wash and they started their own union and
they're negotiating as a group economically, socially, politically, and also
when it comes to you know, defense as well. So
they've they've broken away and the French government, and it's
just one of the questions we have for when he

(39:06):
is back. So that okay, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Yeah, thank you. So in West Africa there are several
regional groupings. The most the biggest one is called the
Economic Community of West African States. So country that speak Portuguese, English, French,
all of them, they are that in that regional grouping,
but the Franco fun country is colonized by by French.

Speaker 8 (39:31):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
There are all of them there in another regional grouping
called the West African Military Economic Union. And then when
there was like Christ the Crissis with the sell States,
they left Echo was but they were still members of

(39:52):
the West African Economic Military Union. And then so that grouping.
Most of the countries that speak French they use the
sip a frink which is connected to the which was
connected to the the French Frank but now it's expected
to the U. And then of course the money is

(40:14):
printed in France. And so we were waiting to see
all of us. We are expecting the news of those
countries of the Silled states creating their own money or
their own currency. That's what we've been expecting. But in
the recent weeks we heard that they announced that they
are leaving also the West African Economic Money Union, and

(40:39):
they announced the first of all, they announced the sip
of Frink and then they announced that very soon as
they're going to you know, to have their own currency.
So that is the latest about the sip A Frank
in the Sell States.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
That's great now. And for some of relations who aren't
familiar what's going on on the content with the health stage. Basically,
what they did they broke away from France instead of
sending them money to the French treasury. If they had
to do any major project, they had to get the
okay from France, and then the France French companies had
the first dips on if it's infrastructure, building an airport,

(41:13):
you know, or building a building or harbor or whatever,
you know, major major infrastructures like that, the French people
had the first tips and they had to use send
all their money to the French treasure. Correctly, if I'm
wrong and I'm saying this, that's like okay, and the French, well,
then send them back the money. And this is what
the Sale nations decided to stop. Is that is that
you know, I just.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Want to yeah, I just want to to just say
a few thinks, but I will. It's just correct about
what they were doing, is that fifty percent of the
you know, the foreign reserves of these African countries have
to be deposited like in the French public treasury. And
then so when we want to do like some international transactions,

(41:57):
so those after the African countries will things in dollars.
Then when the money is good, when they get things,
they do bad things in dollars or when they want
to get something, the dollars in dollars, dollars converted to
the euros, and the euros converted to the sleep a
frink and the French keeps fifty percent and then give

(42:18):
nine fifty percent for the country to the country. So
that is the system they put it to place. In
recent years, we were told that you know, it is
that the fifty percent is no longer in France, but
we don't know if it is true. But that is
the reality, and it's also part of the tragedy of
those African countries.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well, let me actually this is nine away from the
top of What about the other Francophone countries like the Gambia, Senegal,
who else? Court of war? These other countries, what are
they doing. Are they still sending them money to the
French treasury as well, or they are considering the breakaway
like as a hell nations.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Oh, but a lot of what they're setting at least leaders,
particularly the Prime Minister Usman's uncle, who is the leader
of the party that defeated the former president who was
the French puppet, they were talking about living the sip
A frame. But since they've been there, we don't know
what they're doing. They don't talk like that anymore. They

(43:19):
were saying that they could do that collectively with other countries,
but I don't. I'm not aware of any conversation between
Senegal and the Cell States about dropping the sip A.
Frank so ivery coasts don't even think about it. The
president of Ivory Coast, mister Watau, is now the one
that trying to advance the interest of the French. He's

(43:42):
been accused of trying to top or even trouble from
booking a Paso. There's a tension between Ivory coasts and
booking a Faso so yes, and when there was a
there was a conversation, I think twenty nineteen not twenty
nineteen years, there was a conversation when they saw that
many African leaders and then social activists they were attacking

(44:05):
the cife Frank. So the first the first the French
president Imam Macron and then mister Waterap the print of
A records, both of them, they came and they came
out and they announced that the safe Frank was going
to be replaced by Echo Echo e CEO, which was

(44:27):
supposed to be or which is supposed to be the
currency of Echo. Was that the many African experts have
been working on that project for thirty years. And then
water App the print of ave records said that before
the entire community of the of Echo was before they
used that currency, the French speaking countries in West Africa

(44:51):
will be the first to use Echo in replacement of
the safe Frink. And then we never saw that project.
We knew that they did that, or they did that
because they want to throat or they wanted to destroy
the project put into place by African countries toward their
own currency replacement of ecowas and many other currencies in

(45:12):
West Africa.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
All right, six away from the top of the our
doctor Ganako Lagoke family, good morning if you just joined
us the Grand Rising discussion. What's going on on the
continent here and what we're seeing and the discussion is
based on the vestiges of of colonial rule. They these
Europeans came up and they carved up Africa and the
French speaking Africans are in one group. You got the English,

(45:34):
you got the Portuguese, you got the German. They all
took a piece of Africa. Right now, our brothers and
sisters on the continent are pushing back and asking for more.
They got their so called independence where they still were
dependent on the mother countries for economy and especially for
when it comes to the money, especially when the country
certain minerals as well. Those European mother countries control that.

(45:55):
And what we're seeing is a pushback from the Sound Nations,
especially as a group they decided former group and they're
pushings countries are nic Year, Ebu, Kinofansa and ma Lei.
So this is what we're discussing. We've come up on
a break. But I got a tweet question for you
from one of our listeners, doctor Lake, and the listener says,
some have inquired about the Pan African conference in Togo
that's coming up, and Twitter ones know why Togo and

(46:17):
some have expressed things about the president of Togo and
the human rights issue in Togo. How will this be
addressed or has this as this has the history been
considered of what's going on in Togo? And again Togo
is one of these French speaking countries, so your thoughts on.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
That, Yeah, thank you very much. I don't know how
much time we still have, but I'm going to Turin
and then be brief. Even though it's a big question.
The first thing that we need to know is that
with the African Union, countries can come with some projects.

(46:53):
The Tagoli is Minister of Foreign Affairs proposed to the
African Union, kid of African Routs and African the ASPLA
and then under the under the auspices of that Decade
to Go took the initiative to organize the Non Pan
African Congress and the line of the of the series

(47:14):
of Panactican cardings initiated by w BD Boy and then
Ghana for instance, was chosen as the champion for reparations
and I rey cost my country led by mister Watara
was chosen as the champion for the second decade of
Argenda twenty sixty three. And then uh Kenyao we've under

(47:37):
the leadership of Hutu were chosen, you know, to be
the champion for climate justice. And there are things like that,
you know the African Union does. And then I heard
many people complaining about to go organizing an Pan Afican
the None and African Congress. But it may be it's
because they don't know how the African Union functions and
all they forgot that in the history of Pan Africanism,

(48:03):
states have been involved in organizing Pan African meeting gatherings. Yes,
the state of Ghana and Kruma is completely different from
the state of Togo on the leadership for Yasimbe. I agree, are.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, Hold, I thought right there, doctor Legoki. We gotta
take a short pat. We got to check the trafficing
weather in our different cities. Now I'll let you finish
your response on the other side, family YouTube can join
our conference conversation rather with doctor Ganakala gok reach out
to us at eight hundred and four to five zero
seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take a phone calls
next and grand Rising family, thanks for starting your day
with us. This Wednesday, it's a hum day. That means

(48:41):
we're halfway through the work week. After this, it's downhill
all the way to the weekend. I guess this Doctor
Ganakola gok is originally from the Court of War, the
Ivory Coast. It teaches at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania. He's
like our eyes and ears what's going on, especially in
the Francophone countries on the continent. The momentary by we're
gonna speak with Paula Brice Sims, but let's go back

(49:02):
to doctor Legg and I'm finished his response to that
Tweek question about this upcoming Pan African conference in Togo.
I keep hearing people saying that they have some concerns
about Togo hosting this conference. So what have you heard,
doctor locality finish your thought?

Speaker 5 (49:17):
So, yeah, I understand that people have concerns because of
this history of the political system and political regime in Togo.
I understand that the current president for in smb UH
came to power in some conditions in which or during

(49:40):
which we don't there were human word violations, then there
are some that they are continuing human words volations. In
Togo recently some people were protesting and then some of
them were arrested, and they keep arresting people and some
people were killed. This I understand. On the other side,

(50:02):
on the other hand, we saw that somehow to go
has decided to organize this congress and the TOG is
given the opportunity for those who want to meet and discuss.
So my question is do we boycott the opportunity do

(50:26):
we take advantage of the opportunity. So that is the
dilema or the conversation, the equation that many people need
to resolve. I have learned in my journey in politics
that politics is not about and I'm courting Bible or
the former fronts of agricause. Politics is not about choosing
between the good and the bad. It is a bad

(50:46):
choosing between two good things and you choose, you know,
the better or the best, or it's choosing between two
bad things and then you choose the lesser of the
two evils. So that's the situation my lead that we
are talking about niche, we are talking about booking off
as that we are talking about Senegal that we are
talking about. None of those countries want to organize a

(51:10):
real Pan African conversation in order to bring together people
who want to think about the future of Africa, the
future of Pan Africanism. It is not happening. We try
to have some brothers from the United States who went
to see eventrawly to urge him to organize a Pan
African conference. Myself, I wasn't booking ap as so I
met the former Prime Minigel of booking up as well.

(51:31):
I've been talking to people. I tried to do the
same thing in Senegal. Those leaders, for some reason, they
don't see the importance of putting together a Pan African
meeting so to go. They expect everything that we think
about them. They want to give the opportunity to people
to meet. So for me, people can be there and
then they discussed and even raise some critical issues. But

(51:54):
human rights violations that are happening on the concept of
Africa are particularly in to goal. So this is what
this is what I can see. So if people can go,
if they have the opportunity, if they are invited, they
can go and then talk about the issues of Palestine
or Sudan or Congo, and many other elements. So if
now they are there and they're reading these issues and

(52:15):
the government of to Go wants to arrest some people
or want to silence some people, of course this is
going to be another another issue. So that's my position
on the on the topic.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Well, thanks for sharing that, because for some reason they
invited me. I don't know how they got mine information
and all that, so and I haven't decided whether or
not to go. So that's why I'll ask you that question.
Somebody tweeted that question who's going as well? But I
want to go before we let you go? Though, doctor
let go? Okay, is there anything we should know what's
going on with the heal Nations because you just mentioned
a little bit about them not not wanting to hold

(52:46):
the host of Pan African conference conference. It seems to
be like we're getting radio silence from from the shale nations.
What's going on there? Real quick?

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Yeah, they're doing, like I said, they're doing many good things.
You know, the mean the meant to free their countries. Uh,
you know they're trying.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
But.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
Maybe because you know, they were not properly prepared, because
that's the reality, and they don't understand Pan Africanism. I
understand that. So there are things that they are not
doing when I was there. Uh. In one of the
interviews I gave the I think I don't even know

(53:25):
the radio TV, I spoken about comin Gruma because for us,
everything that we are doing, the compass is Quaminmoun the
continent of Africa. It was Ghana was the first country
in South Africa to be dependent everything that Kamen Krouma did.
We don't see those people having the historical memory and

(53:46):
we don't see them going back to Cormin Krumer, going
back to Motivocata, going back to if they want to
reveal those leaders, they would have largic debate if they
go thereby that's his name, they want to de wilably
understood that no one should go there and tell them,
for instance, to organize but African conferences. It is when

(54:09):
people meet people discuss people started jazz. They do the
assessment of the struggles and the rally social activist somebody
like you, can you imagine how many times you made
me come here to talk about the sides state. They
don't know you and it is not your fault, it
is their fault. And these kind of things. They are
not doing that and then I don't know, we prove

(54:30):
to God that they understand, but soon sooner than better.
But something is not right in the way they're doing
the revolution, all.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Right, my brother.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Last one last thing is that there were some people
under the leadership of some of them. I know that
the brothers them with Balaka doing many things for bookin
and the revolution. Uh, but the Arica they were supposed
to go to Booking off As to take one could
I think one thousand Black Americans, the people people of

(55:00):
African descent. We want to help the citizenship of Booking
Apasso and last minute it was canceled. Maybe they have
some good reasons, but people were disappointed. But maybe they
were there were some there was some suspicion. We understand.
Maybe they were not happy about a few things. But
when you do that someone you can bring the spirit

(55:21):
of people want to support you. That is the latest
and Booking APAs in the relationship with the there as
for us, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
That's kind of disappointed. Well, we'll check with doctor Orion
counter Charum Borry about that. But thank you doctor Legoka.
Thank you for keeping us inform what's going on on
the continent, especially with the Francophone countries. Thank you for
sharing your thoughts with us, your family eight Manuyes after top,
let's switch over now to Polo Price Sims, Grant Rising,
Polar Price Sims, welcome to the program.

Speaker 8 (55:49):
Thank you. It's Pamela Boys and Tamela.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Apologize Pamela, but Pamela again, give us a little bit
of your background before we talk about this awareness of
seminar that you have coming up.

Speaker 8 (56:04):
Sure, I'm a clinical herbalist. I'm a psychotherapist, and it
was interesting to hear that last conversation. I spent five
years living in Senegal and was married to a Cameroonian
for twenty twenty two years, so it was interesting to
come in on that conversation with that background. Thank you
so much for asking asking the doctor to continue to talk.

(56:26):
So my background is in clinical orbology and I'm a psychotherapist.
I am also I'm CEO of Singularity Botanicals, which is
the nonprofit educational organization that is having the Zoom conference
tomorrow that we're talking about this morning.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
All right, give us the title of the conference though
I know it's about prostate cancer, but it's got a theme.
Can you share that with us.

Speaker 8 (56:49):
Sure thing. The title is the inside story what Black
men are not being told about prostate cancer and new
approaches to men, men and health. That it features doctor
Otis Brawley, MD. He's a Distinguished Professor of Oncology and
Epidemiology at John Cope's University. He also was the Chief

(57:12):
Medical and Scientific Officer for the American Cancer Society from
two thousand and seven to twenty eighteen. So he's a
senior advisory to the Singularity Botanicals project and he's going
to be featured in this webinar Tomorrow. He's author of
How We Do Harm A doctor breaks ranks about being

(57:35):
sick in America. This gentleman literally walks on water in
the term in terms of the prostate cancer research community
and community based outreach, etc. So he actually broke ranks
at one point to write this book to give us
the backstory to share with us how black men are

(57:56):
really being treated in the industry. And that's part of
what Tomorrow Night is about. The other part is a
team of black complementary integrative medicine holistic practitioners that are
joined forces with doctor Brawley. So we do integrative oncology
we're I'm a clinical rbalist. We have acupuncturists, acupressurist, nutritionist,

(58:21):
massage therapists, counseling therapists, martial arts, martial arts practitioners, etc.
So we are a team that works with him and
the webinar tomorrow night is about blending those traditions, the
conventional medicine and complementary integrative medicine at a time when

(58:42):
our healthcare system is in crisis, and the Black community
doesn't have to be a bunch of sitting ducks as
this as this happens to this webinar is pretty timely.
One other thing I do want to say about the
webinar itself, and maybe we can get into that a
little bit later. It fits into a larger framework of
building a sustainable, national, community based Black men's health infrastructure

(59:08):
that's completely cross network, But maybe we can talk about
that later.

Speaker 9 (59:12):
That was a mouthful about the webinar.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Though, Yeah, well that's great. I mean, it's hot problems,
so we've got to figure out a way to solve it.
Having said that, though, are you going to talk about
why process cancer disproportionately affects black men more than especially
black men in this country.

Speaker 8 (59:28):
That's a really vast question. It has to do a
lot with medical distrust, and which is historically for you know,
for lots of obvious, obvious reasons. I mean, we have
black men and people of color have been mistreated by
the medical systems for a very very long time, and

(59:52):
we still get the dismissal and the condescension and the
half information when when we're visiting people.

Speaker 10 (01:00:01):
So this.

Speaker 8 (01:00:04):
Network that we're building, the webinar that we're doing, basically
is to counter medical distrust. And we have lots of
strategies for doing that. But the first thing is to
get people information about prostate cancer that is not the
usual stuff that you get at your four K run
for prostate cancer are tabling at your usual healthcare situation.

(01:00:28):
It's really insightful information that men can take and advocate
for themselves. As you clearly clearly know, black men are
more likely than white men to develop prostate cancer, twice
as likely to die from as a diagnosis rate of
seventy percent higher than white guys, and we are one

(01:00:50):
hundred and twenty percent higher rate in terms of mortality
than white men. Very often it's because of this medical distrust,
people will literally wait until they are doubled over in
pain or something is about to fall off before they
go to the doctor because of that medical distrust. So

(01:01:11):
that's a lot of what doctor Brawley, and what that
means is that the cancer is deeper, it's worse, it's
at a more aggressive stage, or they haven't determined whether
it's an aggressive cancer or not, whether it's just enlargement
or what's going on there. It's because people do not
go to the doctor, and they are good reasons for
that historically. So that's also part of what we're addressing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
And I'm glad you mentioned that. I've got two friends
and who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer and refuse,
absolutely refuse to any kind of treatment. Just like you said,
there's suspicious of the guys in the white coat and
they're not sold on hold realistic methods to teach, to
cure or to treat cancer. And at the where women

(01:01:53):
are that you're going to have it, is there going
to be or is there from your research, is there
a cure for cancer? And I'll let you hold that
response for money class you're looking at the cop here,
We've got to step aside and let you respond to
that family just waking up. Thank you for joining us.
It's fifteen minutes after the top. They are, I guess
is Pamela Bryce Sims. She's hosting a webinar on prostate
cancer on Thursday. And if you've got you know somebody

(01:02:15):
who's got prostact cancer, who's dealing with you've got issues,
this is lady you need to talk to you. You can
reach her at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six million. More about this webinar that's coming up,
and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for starting your Wednesday with us. At nineteen minutes
after the top for the hour, a guest the Pamela
Bryce Sims. The Pamela is hosting a prostate cancer awareness

(01:02:36):
seminar on Thursday. This is what we're discussing. Before we
left for the break, I told her, I've got a
couple of friends who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer
and they don't trust traditional medicine and they're not sold
on holistic medicine. But they think a Pamela that there's
a cure for cancer, and they're holding it from us.
That's why I asked you, and you chuckled before your response.

Speaker 8 (01:02:56):
What say you, Here's here's something that I think it's
going to be helpful, helpful to know. Conventional medicine is
one thing. Complementary alternative medicine is another thing, and integrative
medicine combines the two. And what we're talking about here
really is integrative medicine. It's not throwing the baby out

(01:03:18):
with the bath water, which is why we work with
a pre eminent oncologist, doctor Otis Brawley. So conventional medicine
is your your pharmaceuticals and your drugs and your surgery,
your radiation diagnostic tests, and you're treating basically symptoms to
nuke the symptoms, tamp it down, and it does. It's
not about getting to underlining causes, none of that. It's

(01:03:41):
about nuke it, kill it, cut it out. Complimentary, complementary
and alternative medicine is non mainstream approaches, and when it's integrative,
we work right alongside of the oncologist to combine the two.
So I want to allay any concerns people have about,

(01:04:01):
you know, just going the whole holistic thing and just
throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It really is
not that at all. So I just want to I
want to put that out put put that out there first,
and when I talk, I'm going to give you. I
want to give you a little antecdote anecdotes that kind
of gives you an understanding of how people can really

(01:04:24):
dig deep and get behind what's going on so they
know what a good treatment is. This anecdote. Actually, doctor
Browley tells this. He was at it at this event
where there was a big screening going on, and he
was sitting next to this medical marketing guy who was
telling him he was that he can look out over

(01:04:44):
a mall prostate cancer screening, or a church screening, or
a healthare screening, and for every thousand men fifty years
older at one of one of these events, one hundred
and forty five he knew this is this is the
marketing guy. He knew that of those salvesand one hundred
and forty five would have an abnormal screen ten of

(01:05:05):
those guys would not have insurance, one hundred and thirty
five that remain would investigate their abnormal screen and forty
five will have cancer. The medical marketer that was sitting
next to him could accurately calculate the number of men
who would have radical surgery, the surgery of prototectomy, how

(01:05:27):
many would need radiation therapy, how many would need get
the hormonal treatment, and how many would have incontinent so
badly that they'd opt to have an artificial sphincture if
they weren't using divers after the procedure. He knew how
many he could sell viagra to due to erectile dysfunction.
He also knew the percentage for whom viagra wouldn't work,

(01:05:49):
to whom he could sell a penile prosthesis. So basically
when but when Brawley asked him, when he was asked,
how many lives will you actually save of those thousand men,
and he said, come on, nobody knows if this actually
saves the saves the lives of men. He was there

(01:06:11):
specifically to come up with the most invasive, overtreaated overtreatment
kinds of business plan driven techniques to offer these men
so that the industry could make a mint on them.
And he was not telling them what Brawley is going

(01:06:32):
to get to in this webinar, the fact that so
many types of cancer, prostate cancer are okay for very
close monitoring for all other other types of interventions. But
we people jump the gun because of situations that this

(01:06:53):
medical market was hoping, hope, hoping they're going to fall into.
We have been trained from day one, cancer cut it out,
cancer cut it out the next week, and they count
on that and count on the fact that the doctors
are not saying there are other ways to approach this.
There are many different types of surveillance methods that can

(01:07:14):
be aided and embedded, and this is where the complementary
integrated medicine comes in by all kinds of other practitioners
that can support the oncologists. And so you don't jump
the gun and immediately say cut it out, cut it out.
You can abide surveillance because you have a whole team
of people dealing with any pain, dealing with the enlargement,

(01:07:38):
dealing with the psychological issues, dealing with her herbal interventions
that are cleared with the oncologists. So you don't have
to jump the gun, because once you have done the
most invasive treatment, what you end up with is the
quality of life that is you don't necessarily have to have.
And he will literally talk about the number of the

(01:08:00):
number of men that have incontinence so badly that it's
just untenable concept of self bladder issues that have to
have to do with the chemotherapy and the radiation that
has damaged the bladder. There are so many a rectile dysfunctions.

(01:08:20):
You literally alter your life when you jump the gun,
and the doctors are actually encouraging you to do that
because they actually make more money, like the medical marketers said,
by having you do the most invasive thing possible. So
that's kind of the backdrop for this conversation tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I got to ask, this's that medical marketer, how did
you come up with those figures? Was he using AI?
Artificial intelligence? And family? Let me just say this, it's
twenty six minutes off the top of it. By the way,
I guess it's Pamela Bryce seems that's a voice you
just heard. She's hosting a prostate cancer awareness webinar seminar
on Thursday. So, Pamela, how did they come up with

(01:09:00):
those numbers?

Speaker 8 (01:09:02):
Because they have been treating the medical system has been
treating men for decades using what they're calling and doctor
Boy will address this tomorrow night. Evidence based research that
very often is old, but basically it has not moved
forward because some of the old evidence based research that

(01:09:25):
they have not updated basically paths the bottom line. It
drives that medical medical marketers business plan. But they have
decades of research just that they've observed. They all they
had to do is observed what the mythology behind prostate
cancer is and the partial information men are getting to

(01:09:48):
know how many are going to get the prostatectomy, how
many are going to get the penile implant, how many
are going to need VIAGRAA. They it's it's not guesswork.
It's not you know, pulling figures from the air.

Speaker 11 (01:10:02):
These are seasoned professionals, bean counters, money men that know
how much when they look out at look out at
that screening that those thousand men, they know exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:10:13):
The percentage that will They can't that. No one will
mention the surveillance too, No one will mention the other
methods to so they'll jump the gun, get the most
radical surgery and then their lives are altered forever. They
don't have they're not making it up. They have data
from men who basically have gone through that process. It's

(01:10:34):
not it's not guesswork.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
And is this going to be discussed at the webinar tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (01:10:39):
Absolutely positively.

Speaker 10 (01:10:43):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:10:46):
And the gentleman is the book the book again, it's
it's a it's been out, it's been out for a while.
But he lectures all over the place to anyone, anyone
who will who who wants to have a better quality
of life, how we do harm? A doctor breaks ranks
about being sick in America, And as I mentioned, the

(01:11:08):
complementary integrated medicine comes in, not just is the only
way to go about things, because as you said, people
are right to you know, you know, be concerned about
that we work. Complementary integrated medicine works hand in hand
with the oncology. So you don't do things to yourself
and alter your life in ways that are only bankrolling

(01:11:32):
the medical medical system, causing you to have a quality
of life that is abysmal for the rest of your days.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
And family, If you're just checking in, I guess again
is Pamela Bryce Simpson. She's hosting a webinar, a prostate
cancer webinar on Thursday. You got questions about the webinar,
questions about prostate cancer, give us a call right now
at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight to
seventy six, and Pamily, I got to ask you about
this complementary integrative medicine. The technique is shoes. Is it
just used for cancer ers, it's use of other health issues, ah.

Speaker 8 (01:12:05):
For everything. We just did a big weapon or a
month ago on type two diabetes, and it's for for
chronic illness. It is just off the chart, amazing the
results we get between herbalists and acicuncturist nutritionness.

Speaker 9 (01:12:18):
It's just yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
So it's it's complementary integrated medicine is for it excels
with chronic illness and something my prostate cancer. We work
side by side with the youngcologists, but we I literally
can deal very well with with hypertension and uh all
all kinds of chronic illness.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
And this is breast cancer Awareness month. Are you going
to have one for the for the ladies.

Speaker 8 (01:12:48):
Not coming up. No, but we are open to having
conversations with women. We have we we want we want
to make sure that we don't dilute our for it's
we have a whole. As I mentioned, this prostate cancer
piece fits into a much larger men's health framework we
are bringing together. As I mentioned, the whole point here

(01:13:11):
is to build a sustainable, community based black men's health
infrastructure that's nationwide. And the way we're doing that is
I work, in addition to my team of complementary integrated
medicine folks, I have a team of men. I'm located
in Pennsylvania, not too far down from Philey, so men

(01:13:32):
that are based here and do Pennsylvania state wide work.
But I have a gentleman who is a statewide person
who has national contexts for the Prince Hall Masons, I
have the Black Letter Black Greek Letter Organization guys represented.
I have Union represented, union people represented, the HBCUs, the clergy,

(01:13:55):
et cetera. So what we're doing, each one of these
men is working nationwide. For example, for the HBCUs, Cheney
University is right, I can throw a stone from where
I'm sitting in Pennsylvania and hit Cheney. Cheney University is
running point for the HBCUs. Now, the Cheney is here
in Pennsylvania, but they are networking for prostate cancer awareness

(01:14:18):
and to build this Black men's health network nationwide through
all of the Cheney chapters throughout the country. So Atlanta
is on board, in North Carolina is on board, et cetera,
et cetera, and then Cheney wants Cheney get its plate
spinning in the HBCU network. Then it goes to Mahari
and Howard, et cetera, and we're doing the network there.

(01:14:40):
But the group of men that come together, it's a
massive infrastructure because very often the Prince Paul Mason's or
the Ques or the Alphas are really or the clergy,
they're doing really stupendous work in their own network promoting
Black men's health, black women's health as well. But very

(01:15:01):
rarely some guys are Masons that are cues and that
our clergy, that our cues are alphas, et cetera. So
there's that kind of individual crossover, but very rarely for
a concerted issue based issue driven life saving life and
death issue. Very rarely to the Masons as a as

(01:15:22):
a network, talk to the HBCUs or the cues, et cetera.
There is individual crossover. But what we're doing here is
literally building a scaffolding, an infrastructure, because you know what
is helped happening to our health system, health system now,
you know the times that we're living in. If we

(01:15:45):
don't do this for ourselves, we are going to be
sitting duck. So you know, the legislation passed three months
ago just cut one hundred and eighty six billion dollars
from SNAP and medicaid cuts are going to get rid
of four hundred four point two million Americans. And guess

(01:16:05):
who is going to be hit hardest. And as we know,
the troops are coming to a city near you. It's
a tas of time when you know, how did let
me let me quote quote an icon here. It's a
time when we literally need to actually stand up take
command and control of our own health, uh like. Like

(01:16:27):
Audie Lord said, caring for ourselves is self preservation. That
is an act of political warfare. Angela Davis said, If
we don't start practicing collective self care now, there is
no way to imagine, much less reach a time of freedom.
You know, we it's time for us not to behind.

(01:16:50):
You know, as the troops come to the cities, as
they cut the programs that our lifeline, our health care
gets worse and worse, and we don't go near the
doctors because of this medical distry trus this infrastructure across
these black men's networks literally is to is to form
a safety net. So men are hearing guys like doctor

(01:17:12):
Brawley who are giving them back office information. And the
other piece of this is we're doing with with him
and with with our with our networks, the cues and
the Alphas and the hbuc Use, et cetera. Men, the
men themselves are recounting their stories their interface with the

(01:17:33):
medical system. They're counting their stories, the condescension, the dismissal,
how how their symptoms have been treated, and we're putting
together tools. We're calling it a self care self care sovereignty.
It's a field guide. It's gonna be multiple, multi multi media,
online and existing in lots of different ways. So from

(01:17:55):
the grassroots, community based networking of all of these men's
networks were collecting data just like the medical market collect
Marketer collected his data on how the system could rip
off black men and push them into adverse aggressive treatments
when they don't really need it necessarily. We are also

(01:18:17):
collecting our data directly from black men and all of
these networks to provide them with tools so they can
walk into the oncologist's off oncologist's office, they can walk
into the urologist's office and they know what questions to ask.
They're not going to be given their run around. Their
their families, their wives, their sisters, as their brothers that

(01:18:38):
they can communicate with will have the information. So we
are not sitting ducks in these times where we don't
have the luxury of laying back in the cut and
doing nothing. So that's a bigger picture of what this
is all about, which obviously involves women, involves family networking,
is comprehensive. We're just starting because these men are dropping dead.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Yeah, unfortunately, listen, we've got to step asund and get
caught up on the news, traffic and weather at different
stations and different cities. But James and Delaware has a
question for you, and the more calls for coming in
as well. They want to know more about the seminar,
But we'll do that after we check the traffic, weather
and the news in our different cities. At twenty four
minutes away from the top of our family, our guess
is Pamela Bryce Sims. She's hosting a prostate cancer awareness

(01:19:24):
webinar that's is going to take place on Thursday. You
wanted more information, reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we
take calls after the news. That's next and Grand Rising family,
and thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning,
the hump Day. We're halfway through the work week with
our guest, the Pamela Brice Sims. She's hosting a prostate
cancer awareness a webinar that's going to take place on Thursday.

(01:19:44):
We're going to give you some more information about that,
and we've got some folks who want to speak to her.
But before we do that, let me just remind you.
Coming up later this morning, one of our top scholars
will be here. That'll be Brother May new and Pim
bro May. And you was one who detected that the
Willa Lynch letter was a fake. As you listen to
this program, don't go around quoting Willy and let It
was a fake. He did this decades ago. But anyway,

(01:20:05):
he's going to talk about the history of African leaders
like kings, queens and chiefs and all that and how
that came about. So he's coming up next. Also tomorrow,
you're gonna hear from Detroit activist's sister, Shashana Shakur. There's
a movement in Detroit going after the homes and the
mortgagees of some of our folks in the inner city
of Detroit. So she's going to give us an update
on that. Also, Professor James Small is going to be here.

(01:20:27):
It's going to talk about a side of Shakur and
also a black agenda. What we should be doing now
that you know the Trump administration's got all the rest
of the country all royals up, how we can take
advantage of this situation. Also flip that stock to Jr.
Fenn would cool be here? Brother Jr is always advocating
that we should get him involved in the stock market.
We can get in that game. It's not just for

(01:20:47):
the other folks. So they're all going to be here tomorrow.
So if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep your
radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if
you're in the DMV rolling on FM ninety five point
nine and AM fourteen fifty w L and Pama mentioned
folks want to talk to you, so let me take
some calls for you online too. James is reaching out
to us from Delaware. Grand Rising jameshow and Pamela Bryce
Sims Grand.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Rioting today have a couple of questions. One is is
prostate cancer reversible.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
And two is what what is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
The substitute I can eat in place of cakes and
sugar and things of that.

Speaker 8 (01:21:25):
Okay, Uh, the first the first part of your question,
it depends on what kind of prostate cancer you have,
and that is that's the kind of thing we need
more education on.

Speaker 12 (01:21:38):
There.

Speaker 8 (01:21:38):
There is prostate cancers that are aggressive and prostate cancers
that are not aggressors. Aggressive localized prostate cancer is very
definitely treatable. You can have a very very long, very
very long life, go into remission, et cetera. But again
it's getting it, you know, figuring out your strategy early on.

(01:22:01):
If it is metastasized in other metastatic classic cancer that
spread to other parts of the bodies, that's a different question. So,
and it depends. One thing that we do differently in
complementary integrated medicine than conventional medicine is we're looking at you,
not throwing drugs against the wall or treatments against the

(01:22:23):
wall to try and figure out a generic treatment for you.
So it's very very easily taken care of, much more
easily taken care of. If it is localized and reversible,
then it is reversible. Metastatic classic cancer, that's the whole
other ball game. But we have active surveillance that can

(01:22:47):
be done for cancers that are localized, that can we
just do regular monitoring with biopsies, have any changing, any changes,
so you can live a long life and that's and
good quality life.

Speaker 10 (01:23:03):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:23:03):
The more radical versions are surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, et cetera.
But the answer to your question is yes, it's reversible. Yes,
remission is very possible, but it completely depends on you
and when you have detected it. What was the second
part of your question?

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Substitutes that I can eat in place of the sugars,
the cakes, the cookies, the candy, cookies and cakes for me,
we have.

Speaker 8 (01:23:33):
An absolutely superb licensed nutritionist who's.

Speaker 9 (01:23:38):
Right in the DC.

Speaker 8 (01:23:39):
Well, you're in Delaware, you're closer to me, right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
Right in the I'm from BC.

Speaker 8 (01:23:45):
Okay, Okay, she's right right in the right in the
DC area, and she can get we put together comprehensive
plans to move people away from sugar spiked foods, things
things like pumpkin pumpkin seeds, and uh, if you can
do a meatless Monday, that would also you know, if
you can just it's hard to let go of animal protein.

(01:24:08):
But if you can do a beatless Monday and kind
of back your way off of that, that's a good thing.
But I to answer your question in one felt swoop.
There is an influencer online on YouTube. His name is
Javant J.

Speaker 6 (01:24:26):
A V A and T.

Speaker 8 (01:24:27):
I'm not associated with this guy at all. We're actually
trying to get We're trying to get him to connect
with our project. He has on YouTube, he's also on Instagram.
You look at the food that this man. This man,
he is the peak of physical health. He is exquisitely

(01:24:51):
muscled and strong and fit. He's vegan, so it's Javant
healthy vegan eating. You don't have to go vegan immediately.
You don't have to go budg tarrying immediately. You just
go gradually, gradually, gradually to shift your giant with the
assistance that we can. I can if you, I guess,
call call into the station, or I have an email

(01:25:13):
address I can give you. I can put you in
touch with a nutritionist. But I want to answer your
question quickly. Javant J A V A n T. You
will see food that is so delectable and attractive that
is healthy for you on this site.

Speaker 9 (01:25:30):
I love that, right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
And then last question, the last question to actless surveillance.
I guess the only thing with act the surveillance is
that's the concern, the worry of going back to the
doctor every six months to see had the cancer spratter
than that. That's the only that's the only thing about
the act of surveillance to me, take talk to me.

Speaker 8 (01:25:53):
A little more. Is it going back into six months
six months because you don't want to take time off
from work. Is it going back every six months because
it's just too much doctoring in your life?

Speaker 13 (01:26:04):
What? What?

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
What makes the six months saying a challenge?

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
Oh no, it's not a challenge. But from my understanding,
that was active surveillance. You go every six months just
to see how the cancer is doing. And I guess
sometimes it could be aware of like okay, it started
out as a stage one before I'm going back every
six months, had to spread it a little bit. You
know those nerves around the fifth month, you know those
nerves are kicking. Well, one that hasn't spread it, whether

(01:26:29):
whether it be where it be.

Speaker 9 (01:26:30):
Moving to stage two.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Because my wife sent me a video last night with
Montell whims. I think a Montell Jordan, the singer, he
had a stage one, but then he went back to
the doctor and realized, well he had this park. They
would move and they would mooved it. It didn't advanced
to a stage two unknowingly. So that's my thing. I'm
just like, like, is there a concern behind and doing

(01:26:53):
active savannas? All right, they caught it early, but when
I'm going every six months, what's the chances what's the
chances that the spring that is.

Speaker 8 (01:27:03):
Is perfect perfect question for where we're going with this
complementary integrated medicine. When you are entering a space where
it's not just seeing a doctor for fifteen minutes and
doing the labs, et cetera every six months, where you're
concerned you're not getting enough information. The doctor doesn't really

(01:27:23):
have time to talk with you. He's doing what he
has to do to figure out what the chemical chemical
balance in your body is. But what our team does.
The nutritionist is there with you all of the time
if there's any pain, any discomfort, Acupuncture. We also have
a hypnotherapist as well acupuncture. We have an African martial

(01:27:44):
arts that has combined martial arts guy that is getting
the energy to flow through your body consists consistently. I
work with medicinal herbs, which means that if you are
under surveillance, there are so many conditions so hated with
what the neurologist is working with and what your oncology
is working with, and I can handle with medicinal herbs

(01:28:07):
so that you're not just there flapping in the breeze
by yourself wondering it's three months, in four months in
have to go to the doctor. You've got people that
know what to look for, who are talking to your consistently,
that are providing you with interventions that are for example,
if you're concerned with all the sugars and the cakes,

(01:28:29):
et cetera, that is going to a lifestyle like anything
is going to predispose you just comorbidities that kind of
push you further down the prostate cancer line. I can
give you tinctures that will deal with sugar in your
blood and the nutritionness will work with your diet. So

(01:28:51):
it's a constant, steady dialogue with an entire team of people,
and we also have counselors. As you said, your nerves
start going, you know, you worried, there's anxiety. A lot
of guys have depression down the pianet pipe consider because
you know, if they're considering the more radical things. We
have a whole team of folks that can meet your

(01:29:14):
need as you're going through this journey, which I was
just you know, that's why we work with the oncologists.
But we are there to make certain that you don't
jump the gun because, as I mentioned, when you do
that literally alters the whole course of your quality of life.
So we are there with you so you don't get

(01:29:38):
hyper anxious about this whole thing, and we are checking.
We know what to look for between those appointments. Does
that that help a little bit answer your question?

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Right? He hung up, But we're six minutes away from
the top thing. I were racing the clock. Got some
more people want to talk to you. Got some tweet
questions for you as well, Pamela, And if you're just
checking a family, this is Pamela Bryce Sims. She's hosting
a prostate cancer Awareness yebinar on Thursday. This tweet question says,
Grand Rising, is there a link between prostate cancer and diabetes?
Does sugar? Does sugar feed cancer cells?

Speaker 8 (01:30:12):
Apps? Sugar is a drug sugar is toxic. And I
say that straight up knowing that is how hard it is.
It's like taking cocoa patter out of brownie. That's how
hard it is to get sugar out of our diet.
But what we will go through with you, and to
answer the question, the answer is yes, there are comorbidities,
meaning simultaneously occurring health conditions that push you further down

(01:30:37):
the prostate cancer root in the direction you don't want
to go. In hypertension, the things that our community suffers
with chronically, obesity, hypertension, TY two diabetes. All of these
are pre diabetic red flags for fertile ground for prostate cancer.

(01:30:57):
And to answer the question about what sugar sugar does
in the body, it literally is a toxic drug. So
anything that if you have something that is brewing sugar
is going to literally put you put you over the top.
And which which is why this whole team of folks
will deal with that before you're pre diabetic, if you're
pre diabetic, before you're diabetic, and if it's pushing you

(01:31:20):
to a prostate cancer, do interventions that are not invasive
that can pull you back from the brink.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
All right, Hold that though, right, there. Santra wants to
speak to you. Also got some more tweets for you
as well at Pamela, but we've got to step aside
and take our last look at the traffic and weather
in our different cities. It's four minutes away from the
top Ai family. It's just checking in our guess the
Pamelet Price sims she's hosting a prostate a prostate cancer
awareness webinar on Thursday. You want to get more information,
reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

(01:31:48):
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls
after the traffic and weather update that's next. And Grand
Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning.
I guess this Pamelet Price sims she's hosting a prostate
cancer wearenes webinar that's going to take place on Thursdays.
You're going to give us more information about that before
she leaves. As I mentioned before we left for the
traffic and weather updates, Sondra wants to speak to her.

(01:32:08):
So the Sandra's calling from Baltimore Online one Sondra Grand Rising,
y'all way, Pamela.

Speaker 13 (01:32:14):
Good morning, grand ads, and call to you and your guests.
My first question I'd like to ask you, are you
board sertified?

Speaker 8 (01:32:25):
The oncologist that we work with is board certified and
he is the expert called on globally for consultations on
prostate cancer.

Speaker 13 (01:32:38):
My second question is are you white? No?

Speaker 8 (01:32:43):
I was sorry, No I'm not.

Speaker 13 (01:32:46):
My third question is why is it that every now
and then they will pick out a disease and come
to the Black community to inform the Black community about
if it was diabetes, after that it was kidney. Now
you come back with prospier cancer. Why is it that

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every six or seven years you pick out a disease
and you come back and you pick it up and
you labeled it as Now you're labeling this as integration medicine.
Right before, diabetes was mostly black and then they were
saying amitate, amitate, imitate. Black people did that. Also with cancer,

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they were saying, you have to have an operation before
it get too bad. With prosible cancer, black people did that,
and they also were Dallas and they found out that
half of the treatments they was giving black people really
wasn't even necessary to go through all of that. All
they had.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
All let's get a chance to respond. Thank you, Sandra,
thank you for reaching out to us this morning. All righty, Pamela, yes, yes,
do you want to respond to anything? She said, Well, she.

Speaker 8 (01:34:04):
Is right, that's basically what we're talking about when we
talk about medical distrust. We don't trust the medical system
because they've been messing over us for four hundred No,
for as long as the medical system is has been
as it is now, and before that there was nothing
for us. We basically had to take care of ourselves.
So she's absolutely reflecting the sentiment that basically everybody has.

(01:34:30):
The whole point here is that we have an opportunity,
given the mess the healthcare system is in now, what
is happening politically to organize get smart information from people
like doctor Brawley who know so that they don't just
people just don't dive bomb into the black community and say, okay,

(01:34:50):
you need this, which basically which usually serves their financial
purposes and not our health care needs. The whole point
behind the web are tomorrow and what the bigger picture
that is part of is we can take command and
control of our own healthcare self care sovereignty, health care sovereignty.

(01:35:11):
But Soandra, I can hear as you're speaking the frustration
we all have at being messed over, studied, condescended to
patronize for a really long time. So and that's not
going to stop from the mainstream. So we have one option,
and that is ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
That's right. We got to take advantage of it. I'm
so happy that you're doing this because a lot of times,
all these specialists that you have, if they're working for
other folks, but you've put together a team that's working
for us. It looks like us, and you know, handling
a problem that affects us disproportionately. So I appreciate what
you're doing. But anyway, apparently got a tweet here from
brother in Buffalo. He says he had a prostate exam.

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An outreach was made at a church to get manscreen.
Everything was perfect. I keep getting mailing and phone call
about follow ups and appointments. It's like they're misleading or
got the info mixed up with someone else. It is
the largest institution in the area, and it makes me
question their massive outreach motive. How do you trust them
when they start off by not having their info correct?

Speaker 8 (01:36:16):
Don't The answer to his question is, well, I'm talking
about medical mistrust, and I'm saying, don't trust, but you know,
once they get your information at those screenings. That's really
the mentality of the medical marketer that was talking to
doctor Browi that I referenced earlier. Once they've got you,

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they will try to worry you. They will try to
raise the anxiety level until you feel that there's something
that you have to do that they can make money up.
So that's what I'm saying. It's but it's not about
just forget what they're saying in all of their outreach
or or just ignore the fact that prostate cancer is

(01:36:58):
a risk for black men per read about over the
all men at a certain age a black above forty.
But get good information, which is what we're about. If
he's concerned about their telling the truth in all likelihood,
if they're really pushing this stuff at him, they're trying
to make money, but don't do nothing. Get information from

(01:37:21):
the right place. And again I would recommend doctor Otis
Brawley and his books. Just look look it up on Amazon.
You can pick that up.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
And let me just say, assistants invited to this webinar
because you know there's some hard headed brothers out there Pamela,
who have the issues, and you know they were reluctant
because of what we talked about when it comes to
health issues in this country for black folks. So that's
sort of reluctant. Can the sisters come to this webinar?

Speaker 8 (01:37:47):
Can they drag that retally open invitation? Yes, we have
families need to be part of this. This is comprehensive.
It's holistic when when we sit and talk to men
and it's about what's going on in the house and
the family with wife and kids and all the rest
of it. Those are the stressors in addition to type

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two diabetes or hypertension or are obviously those those comorbidities
that push push you toward a state of health which
could make you vulnerable prospect cancer.

Speaker 9 (01:38:18):
Stress.

Speaker 8 (01:38:18):
There's a term called weathering that is specific to people
of color, specifically to the Black Americans that have suffered systemic,
system a system systemic and systematic racist racism for four
hundred years. And there is now the luminous amounts of

(01:38:39):
information studies that link lousy, worse health care outcomes directly
to stress and systematic racism. It's now the correlation is
not even a question anymore. So mothers being there, sisters
being their wives being there. It takes all of us

(01:39:01):
to collectively deal with the stress we are under every
single day living in this country. So yes, the long
answer to your question, yes, women are very much welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
And is it the diet that's causing the you know,
the why project cancer disproportionate effects and breast cancer for women?
Is it what we eat? Is that the problem?

Speaker 8 (01:39:23):
The diet is a lot of it. A lot of
it has to do with the fact that we've been
redlined into tox toxic environments where breathing in all kinds
of carcinag doesn't and toxins in the air. We have
again we talked about structural racism. We have been redlined
into areas where we live next to oil refineries and
we live next to trash and steam trash, trast to

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steam clips, and we live next to chemical will run off,
and we live in areas where our water is crappy.
That also in addition to the standard American diet which
is killing the entire population. And unless people are aware
of what you in your mouth and what it's doing
in your body, it is a big problem. So to

(01:40:04):
answer your question, Carl, Yes, it is diet, but it's
also the fact that so many of us have been
redlined into communities where breathing in toxins every single day
that also contributes. The stress is also a part of it.
The comorbidities like hypertension is also a function of stress,
which also combines with the type two diabetes to be
a comorbidity that pushes you in that direction. It's not

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any one think diet is major, but it's not just that.
It's the way we have been forced to live in
this country, where we have been forced to live, the
fact that there are food deserts and where we can't
get healthy, fresh food, and environments where we live. It's
just so many things, which is why we really do need,

(01:40:48):
as you said, teams of black folk working on behalf
of black folks, because everybody else is just trying to
make money off of this. We know what our community
look like, and we know it's a multi factor thing,
so we all of us need to it's and you know,
it takes a village. We need the collective to look

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at how we deal with the trusted steam plant and
our diet, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Well you know, I appreciate the fact that you've got
some of our finest and brightest, brilliant minds who are
working on this, because I often said, if we could
get all of our smart brothers and sisters that are
out there but they're working for the other folks, if
they could come back into our community and help build
the community, help build us up, use that expertise that
they have, we're way better off. But they're working for
that folks, And this is what you're putting together on

(01:41:37):
the seminar. So this give us some more information before
we let you go about the webinar. Who can get involved,
how to get on, what other contacts. And also leave
us with an email addressing, because you know, we got
folks who are sort of reluctant when we talk about
health that I want to anybody know about that business.
I understand that, but they will check in, So just
leave it. Give us all the info I can.

Speaker 8 (01:41:58):
It's going to be at six thirty tomorrow evening, six thirty,
six thirty to eighty thirty, that's correct eas Eastern time.
It's on Zoom and I can give you my the
email address if you want the link. It's past flyers
and the rest of it time if you want, if
you want me to send you the link, it's PBS
by Public Broadcast System for Pamela Voice SIMS, PBS at

(01:42:22):
Singularity Botanicals dot net, PBS at Singularity Botanicals dot net
and Singularity Botanicals is the web is the website, so
if you want to check that out beforehand, And if
you go on the website Singularity Botanical dot net and
click on projects, you'll actually see there are pictures with

(01:42:45):
the credentials of our our men's group, the unions and
the and the HBCUs, etcetera. For the men's group, that's
one drop down and on the other one is the
actual Complementary Integrated Medicine team. So Singularitypotanticals dot net, click
on projects and there are two drop down pieces. You

(01:43:06):
can actually see our faces to get our credentials, et cetera.
But the email again is key BS at Singularity Botanicals
dot net.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
All right, thank you, Pamela, Thank you for putting this together.
And hopefully a lot of these brothers and sisters are
members of our family, because this is a lot of
work putting this together. Will show up tomorrow because you know,
as you mentioned, there's a lot of distrust in the
other folks. You can be a family checking tomorrow. If
you know somebody you just pass on the information to.
This is a problem that we have. We have to
solve our own problems. And I thank you for putting
this panel together, Pamela.

Speaker 8 (01:43:39):
It has been my pleasure. Thanks so much, Carl.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
All right, that's Pamela, Bryce, Simms, family and Newt turn
our attention that to ourk's guest, who happens to be
one of our top scholars, Professor made new Pin, Grand Rising.
Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 9 (01:43:53):
The Grand Rising and Shining brother, Carl. I'm glad to
be back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Yes, sir, let's get straight to it. But we're talking
about traditional kingship in Africa. I'm just wondering how they
are brothers and sisters on the kind of even the ancestors.
How do they select their leadership, because you know, do
they have do they vote, you know, in traditional way
or it's just somebody or is royalty like the Brits,

(01:44:19):
you know, you're just born into leadership. How did all
that come about?

Speaker 9 (01:44:23):
Well, that's that's a great question to start with, because
what we know from our experience here in the US
is that more and more now the people of self
appointed kings and queens, and so they have to inform
us that their royalty. But in traditional Africa it's pretty
much hereditary. So leadership in Traditional Africa is not elected,

(01:44:45):
but always selected. And the value of selecting leadership is
that we see from ancient times and it continues to
the present that at a very early age they're taught
protocol and they're groom to be leaders that are working
in the best interests of the community that they.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
Have the.

Speaker 9 (01:45:08):
Jurisprudence over or the governance over. And so this is
very important. I mean, I remember one of the as
I look at modern African kingship and queenship, one of
the great images is Queen Hatshepsu's daughter from Kimi, and
this is the Eighteenth dynasty, about thirty five hundred years ago.

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One of the great statues.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Is the.

Speaker 9 (01:45:32):
Personal tutor of Hatshepsu's daughter as sin In Moot. So
sin In Moot actually has Nepheru Rah, the daughter of Hatships,
sitting on his lap as he was the personal tutor,
and it shows clearly that the leadership is groomed from
a very early age, and this is pretty much the

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common thread throughout Africa, so that leadership is always selected
and groomed as royalty, and it's not just somebody self
appointing themselves as as some leader or generalizing the state
that everybody is a king and everybody is a queen.
It's not like that. So we have these great traditions
from the past that still continue in the present and

(01:46:18):
they're not just symbolic. And in many cases they the
this uh, this royal family of this uh, this high
level tradition has a direct, a direct impact on modern life,
modern politics, modern and modern economy, and it's very important.

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It's not simply symbolic. So we can learn quite a
lot from that if we look at African tradition and
how the leaders come about, because clearly we see in
our own experience here that if leadership is not selected
and groomed at a very early age, and then you
can elect criminals and scoundrels who can become leaders if

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they have enough money or enough ability to articulate a message.
Because we've had criminals in many instances that are very articulate,
but they don't have the best interest of the community
at heart. So this is why I've been dedicated and
focused to traditional African cultural leadership and royalty, for example,

(01:47:23):
in order to see how it is that Africans worked
out their problems in the past that can help us
in the present.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
All right, Hold, I thought right there, because we got
to step aside for a few months when you come back,
because you know, we've made some folks from the continent
and they say they're chief or the dad's a king
and all this kind of stuff, and we don't know
if it's telling the truth. We don't know how to
verify it, or if they just run the game. Explain
that for us? Do these titles pass on to through
family lineage and all of that. We need to know

(01:47:51):
all of this stuff. Professor Ampim seventeen minutes at the
top of our family. Just check it in. I guess
there's Professor at Menu Ampim from Contracosta Colle out in California.
Got a question about the continent. Reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls. Next and grand
rising family ages as joining us. I guess is Professor
May New mpin from Contra Costa College in California. Northern

(01:48:15):
California's where this morning, we're talking about the lineage of kings, queens, leaders,
how they choose them, because you know, now it's prevalent
to hear folks talk about the fact that she's my
queen or he's my king and all of that. But
where does that come from? We're gonna break that down
for us as well. Before we go on, though a call,
I wanted the information about past the guest. I wanted
the information about the seminar or the webinar, and the

(01:48:37):
information is PBS at Singularity Botanical dot net. Again, that's
PBS at Singularity Botanical dot net and people concerned with
prostate cancer. That's where that webinar is going to be held.
But our last guest, Pamela, was doing that for us,
Pamela Bryce Siems Professor MPM. So let's get to it,
because you know, I met so many you know, brothers

(01:49:00):
and sisters and they say they king, so am a
prince and all of this stuff, and there's no way
to verify whether they are or not. Tackle that issue
for us first.

Speaker 9 (01:49:10):
Well, that's that's an important question. Yesterday I had the
privilege of discussing with and interviewing King dasebre kibu Iwusi
from Central o Ghana. He's passing through here in the
Oakland Bay area and towards the end of the discussion,

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I had mentioned to him all of the people claiming
kingship and queenship, and he said that there's a price
to pay for that for people just coming up with
and making up titles, because that's become more and more common.
So some of it clearly is not legitimate because a
person wouldn't just have to announce make these kinds of announcements.

(01:49:54):
You would really know it. You would see it by
you know, they would have an entourage, they would have
a court for example, and it's just a certain protocol.
And so when people have to make that announcement, that's
one red flag. But you clearly could act, you know, first,
could ask a series of questions and just make observations
as to whether or not this is real. But it's

(01:50:16):
more and more people and he mentioned that this is
one of the focuses of kings and because of the
fact that and Ghanem, for example, they have the National
House of Chiefs, so they governed sixteen different regions and

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this House of Chiefs. There are kings and then there
are chiefs. And the difference is that a king really is.
The British will call them a paramount chief. They wanted
to reduce the title from king, to make it less
than the British title of kingship and just make them
a paramount chief. But they're really kings. And those kings

(01:50:59):
have chiefs or people who who govern beneath them in
different areas. So they all are concerned about this, uh,
this growing fraud that takes place, and it's certainly not
just in Ghana, but uh that's one area and other
areas where people really have to be careful. And then
here in the US, as you mentioned, people are just

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using the title randomly without meaning, and they cheapen the office,
they cheapen the title, and they completely distort the legacy.
So this is not a small thing when we're looking
at tradition, and not just the tradition just to say
that we had one, but the tradition that we've come
from is the foundation for high level African achievement in

(01:51:44):
the world because there's always structure, there's protocol, and everyone
plays a role. But to think that everybody's kings and
queens or that someone can just make an announcement and
and and and it's and there it the case is
not an issue. But they're really say that that's one
of the things that they're focused on to make sure

(01:52:06):
that people were masquerading, that they pay a price for
the misrepresentation of presenting themselves as royalty when they're not.

Speaker 14 (01:52:15):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
Let me jump and ask you this question at twenty
four after tab our family just joining us. I guess
is Professor mean new and Penn from contract Ouste College
out in northern California, Professor Ampin when they say king,
is it a linagy because you know, when we think
about royalty, you know, unfortunately it's mostly white royalty, British royalty.
You know we went for they got now King Charles
and Queen Elizabeth and they go back and back. So

(01:52:37):
it's in the bloodline. Is it the same thing for
our African brothers and sisters.

Speaker 9 (01:52:42):
Yes it is, Yeah, it's it's definitely in the blood line.
It's in the genetic heritage. And we see it going
back to classical Africa. We see it going back to
the first of the classical African civilizations or cush. We
see it in Kimming and we definitely see it in
West Africa as well. So people would trace the royal

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lineage through either the line of the mother, which you
call the matrilineal or in some cases the line of
the father, which we call patrilineal. So they can trace
the ancestors through either the maternal or the or the
pubternal line and that so like for example, the King

(01:53:24):
Sebri who I was interacting with and interviewing yesterday, he
represents one of the areas of the Ikon, which is
the largest group in the West African region. And so
the next person in line after uh the Sebri would
not be his son, because they traced the kingship in

(01:53:49):
royal three or the royalty through the matrilineally, through the
through the maternal or the mother's line. So next in
line would be his sister's son or in other words,
his nephew. And so it is tracked royally that way,
and everybody plays a role. And you know this is
why it's not just about having a title to dominate

(01:54:12):
and rule and control somebody. King the Sebry is as
humble as they come, but he also is a stickler
for a protocol and tradition at the same time, so
you don't see any arrogance at all. He's a man
of the people, he really is. But but but he
knows his place in history and tradition and anybody can

(01:54:37):
see and uh and feel that. But throughout Africa, the
rule is always that it's it's someone doesn't just join
the royal line. I mean, there's there's examples where someone
may rule who wasn't in the royal blod the royal bloodline,
but there would be you know, scenarios for that. Maybe

(01:54:59):
there's no one in the immediate family who could rule,
and then you have the royal council, including the Queen Mother,
that would choose the next leadership. So even if someone
is not directly in the bloodline, because it depends on
if they have offspring, If the offspring are able and
capable of ruling, usually there's somebody, but if there's not,

(01:55:22):
then they will always be able to choose someone who
represents the best values in the best tradition of that
particular group and the one who could lead and serve
and take care of and protect the group under their jurisprudence.
Or their leadership. So this is you know, it's very

(01:55:43):
important and it's not something to take lightly. But what
happened was when the British came in, the British colonizers,
they destroyed much or a large part of the tradition.
So this is why a lot of us were not aware.
And they were do titles. Like I said, so they
had kings, so the kings were reduced to a chief.

(01:56:06):
But then they said, well, we have to maybe making
it a distinction, so let's just call them a paramount
chief or a regional chief, but we're not going to
call them a king. So these are the kind of
word games, just like I tell my students the contracst
to college with any African civilizations class, when you're looking
at when you're looking for current articles for an assignment

(01:56:28):
on African civilizations, you have to think like the colonizers,
and you can put in African civilizations, but you'll find
more through the research databases if you put in African
cultures as opposed to civilizations, and you'll find more if
you put in African chiefs or rulers versus African kings.

(01:56:51):
So they always tend to reduce the status and the
importance of African leadership by these terms, which and these
terms are very calculated, but these are things that we
definitely should should be aware of and it's no big deal.
There are very important positions, uh in all societies. For example,

(01:57:12):
if you look at if you look at classical Africa,
the writers said that there, that there, that there, uh,
that their occupation was the most important in the country.
And so yeah, well they're writers, so that's what they wrote.
You know that that that that that the scribes, the writers,
that they had the most important position. But we have

(01:57:34):
so many people that are highly respected, like you were
talking about healing. This is important. So now my my
job is to mention that we have cultural health and
historical health. But the healer always has a central role
in African culture and tradition. Everybody doesn't have to be
a king and queen, the the the blacksmith has a

(01:57:54):
central role in African culture and tradition. The farmer has
a central and important role in African culture and tradition.
So this is what we need to understand. That we
don't have to try to boost the self esteem of
everybody by giving them titles that are not appropriate. And
the more we understand this, then we'll be able to

(01:58:16):
recreate in our communities around the country the kind of
structure that can help us to move forward. But as
long as if we don't know the structure of what
makes the society run with ethical kings and queens, that
cannot hold those positions unless they are steeped in an
ethical and moral code. So this is why I've always

(01:58:39):
told people, Yeah, that's true. We have great traditions of
kings and queens and rulers and queen mothers and exalted
individuals like heroes. Yes we have that, But keep in
mind a king and queen by itself doesn't mean anything,
because you have kings and queens from Europe who were imperialists,
who were slave traders, were killers, and they were kings

(01:59:02):
very much though. So kingship by itself or queenship by
itself doesn't mean a whole lot if it's not surrounded
by an ethical position and a moral agenda to help
uplift the people. This is why we look specifically at
African cultural tradition and exactly what was the protocol in

(01:59:23):
the past and what's the protocol today by legitimate rulers
that come from the royal family, not people who are
masquerading or or just uninformed, because we do it with
a lot of people that mean well, but they're just uninformed.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Twenty eight away from the top there I was, I
guess Professor Mainnu and Penn from Contracosta College out in California.
We're talking about the kings and queens and leaders in Africa,
Professor Impenn. When I was in Ghana, we went through
a name change. We got different names. The chiefs get
presided provided over the ceremony and my name was changed
to Quasi, which is a the day name Sunday born Benenia.

(02:00:02):
And I forgot what he said that was. But the
chiefs who did that do they pass along that title
to their families as well when they step away? And
and that's one question. And also the question because every
time I go to Ghane, they talk about that they're
instooling somebody. Somebody's in stooled. Can you explain that concept
as well?

Speaker 9 (02:00:22):
Yeah, So the naming is very important. And a while
back I had talked about and I wrote about this too.
Actually it's one of one of my most most impactful
articles I wrote some time ago about a little more
than a decade ago, I wrote about the five African
sorry the five major African initiation rights from birth to

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death and beyond, and the first is the writer of birth.
And the writer of birth is generally someone is given
a name based on their mission in life, but they're
all still given another name about when they were born.
So like you know Kwame born on a Friday or Saturday,

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or kolf be born on a Friday. Still names like that,
or Abena the female name a girl born on a Tuesday.
So you have names like that. But when someone becomes
a king in here in stul, they have an in
stool name too that they're given which is part of
their destiny. So names have a lot of meaning. I
know that people don't always look at it that way,

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but the birthright is so essential to one's life and
destiny because if we're given the name, the correct name,
and we know what the objective is of that baby,
when that baby not only comes forth through that family,
but that baby is part of the community, the name
is to remind everybody what the mission is, what the

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incarnation objective is, what the goal is for that infant
coming among this family and community, So that whenever we
call the name. Where we are, we're reminding the young
person or the infant what their mission is in life,
and is also informing us of how we can help
that young person fulfill his or her mission. So names

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are absolutely important.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
And let me jump here. That's for folks who have
children or think about having children or grandchildren. Names are
very very important. What you name your child. And you
know that naming ceremony that we had for our group
who went to for this chief who's a con chief,
and you can look it up. Family, You can just

(02:02:36):
go there and look at the con names and you'll
find out what your day name is because they know
exactly what day you were born. But the second part
of your name is is your purpose. This is what
Professor m Pim is talking about. But Professor Aim, I'm
going to get more into the installment issue because we've
been to Africa quite a few times and we've taken
brothers and sisters there and at one brother says he

(02:02:57):
was in stool, and I think Professor Small says he
was in What is that ceremony all about? What does
it mean when they say they're installed?

Speaker 9 (02:03:05):
It means that they've now become, you know, equivalent to
to a chief that they've now become an instrument of
a chief, so they're really part of royalty. And it's
it's you know, to be honest about that. It's gone
sideways because a lot of people have been instelled, whether

(02:03:26):
they deserved it or not. It's down something that's happening
on a regular basis. Michael Jackson was installed. There was
a couple from the States also was insteed as king
and queen. And all they simply did was they worked
for a corporate company and they were able to bring
some computers to the village. But why not just have

(02:03:48):
a you know, a ceremony to think them, Why make
them a king and queen? But they did. And then
I remember a white guy from Switzerland also comes a
king because he married a Ghanaian woman. So what's happening
now is that this has been cheapen because now here's
what it's about. Some of the people they recognize that

(02:04:13):
if they give titles to the foreigners, the foreigners are
now obligated to be a part of that community and
bring money, bring resources. So that's really what it has become,
and it serves people who want the titles. So there's
a debate among the people are Ghana about this very

(02:04:33):
issue about why giveaway titles?

Speaker 1 (02:04:36):
Right and hold that thought right there, Professor am Pima
got a step aside for a few moments. I'll he
takes found on that when we get back, family, you
got questions about leadership in Africa, how it came about,
and why you keep saying to your friends is you
know you say that's your queen or that's your king.
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero, he's seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take
your phone calls after the shortbreak. That's next and Grand
Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on this Wednesday morning.

(02:04:59):
It's a huntday where halfway through the work week with
our guest, the Professor Maynu Ampm, Professor Ampim teachers that
contra cost to college out in California, Dawl in California
and discussing royalty, African royalty, how it came about and
some of you now have been using the terms kings
for the brothers and queens for your sisters. And we're
getting deep into how this came about. So we're going

(02:05:20):
back to Professor Ampim momentarial but let me just remind
you come up tomorrow. We're gonna hit from Professor James Small.
As I mentioned, Professor Small has been instoled in Ghana.
Also flip that Stocks JR. Fenwick is going to join us.
So if you're in Baltimore, make sure you're radious lot
in tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in
the dmv RN FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen fifty WL. All right, Professor Ampim, those persons who

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have been in stool, can they pass on that to
their relatives or to end with them?

Speaker 9 (02:05:48):
If we're talking about in traditional culture, then yes, it's
passed on. But that becomes a question for those that
have been in stool. That's maybe let's say from the US.
You know, some of the students are probably legitimate, but
many of them are not. But the question would be,
because this has never come about before, how would that work?

(02:06:11):
Would they be able to pass on this title and
position to the relatives? Because if they all are let's say,
born and raised here in the US, how would they work?
And before the break, I was sharing that this is
not just something I'm mentioning as a scholar from the US.
In Ghana. There's a debate among them about why give

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away titles and parts of the culture just to thank people.
Why not just have a ceremony to say thank you
for supporting us, as opposed to giving away titles in
part of the tradition. And this is a concern because
you know, in some cases people have never lived in Ghana,

(02:06:55):
they don't speak any of their local languages, they don't know
the protocol. When I I was talking with King the
Cybri yesterday, one of the questions I asked him was
about the transfer leadership from from king to king or
chief to chief, and he said, well, part of that,
part of the ritual ceremony is for one week, for

(02:07:17):
an entire week, he is being taught and tutored on
all of the specific details on royal protocol, on ethics,
on everything from attire, from how you know your everything, mannerism,
all of those very things are important and protocol is

(02:07:38):
very significant about how you sit, how you greet someone,
what you wear, how do you wear it, all of
these different things, when do you wear certain things. So
this is not something that could just be dismissed to
give a title. So this is why we have to
look carefully at that and if, like I said, some
are probably legitimate the receiving titles, with some not as

(02:08:01):
I gave you a few examples. So this is also
a debate among the indigenous Ganans because they see what's
happening and they also know tradition. And the British are
the ones that first began to cheaping royalty by changing titles.
And they didn't just do it in Ghana in West Africa,

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but they did it everywhere. Same thing in Sudan. So
when they go in they conquer Egypt, the British dude,
and they go south to Sudan and things began to change.
Because I remember just two a couple of years ago,
a little less than three years ago, when I was
in South Sudan that broke away from Sudan, I had

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an unprecedented meeting. I actually had a chance to meet
with eleven Dinka chiefs from South Sudan, and out of
the eleven, four of them were paramount chiefs. But in reality,
these paramount chiefs are actually kings because they are garverning
areas that have where their chiefs beneath them. And I

(02:09:07):
learned a lot about the protocol, what they will never
compromise on different things. There's a price to pay if
someone violates tradition. But they also were open minded as
well to say that certain things not necessarily regarding kingship
per se, but there's certain things that they're willing to

(02:09:28):
adjust in the modern era. But to talk two men
of that status, it's amazing. And we should also know
that we had a meet. I had a meeting with
them in the afternoon, and I got a call from
one of the great elders, Elder abraham Son, said I'm
ready to pick you up for the meeting and meet

(02:09:49):
with these eleven thiefs, and I said, you're a little early.
He was like, more than two hours before, and I said,
please check with your father. I think we got the
times mixed up. So we checked what it's that got
back to me and told me that the elders, the Storry,
the chiefs were two hours early. So I wasn't late,
but they get definitely got there before me. So I

(02:10:11):
actually got to the place where we had this historic
meeting and interview. I got there more than an hour
before the scheduled time, and I was still there long
after them. They were eager to talk about their tradition,
their culture and chieftainship and the values that they hold

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is dinker so this is not something that they give away. Now,
one thing that I will remind the listeners if they
remember from the past or if they don't, that there
are different categories of people. So not everybody is necessarily
considered a king or queen or chief or queen mother.

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But there's also other categories of high status, for example
in the Omo Valley in Ethiopia, for example, and some
of the people know that here in the US maybe
for the last five, six, seven, ten years at the most.
And that's the term jegna jagna in m Hart which
is the national language in Ethiopia, it means hero for male,

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but for females the name for hero is jag neat,
so you've got jagna for males in jag Neat. This
is very the jagna and jag Neat are given a
high status, extremely high status, so people can earn that
status in tradition. But now as we modernize this understanding,

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because there's people that could considered a jagna, which is
not only it's a cultural hero that promotes and protect
the culture and the best interests of the people. And
sometimes now that could be someone who was a great
writer about in the past. It would be somebody if
there were Jagna, for example, would be a great warrior

(02:12:05):
who was absolutely brave and courageous that would face a
dangerous animal like an ante, like an elephant or a buffalo,
or a leopard or lion. That would be a Jagna
with tremendous courage, or somebody who defends the people from
an enemy group, you know. But uh, And then a

(02:12:27):
jeg neat, a jeg neique would be somebody that that
is a woman who is profound in agriculture to feed
the people, to keep the people alive and nourish, and
takes care of the home and can Greek guests and
shows great protocol and all those kinds of things. So
now I'm looking, I see some slight change because they

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now can not necessarily in the Almo Valley per se,
but in Ethiopia when they mentioned Jegna, they could also
mean now a great scholar, not just someone who writes
a lot of books or has a lot of information,
but someone of great character who puts the people first,
and who may be, you know, an intellectual who's making

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contributions to help them remember their cultural traditions. So there's
different things that we have to factor in when we
talk about leadership, whether they're kings and queens or people
that have other titles and other roles and responsibilities that
are also highly respected.

Speaker 1 (02:13:31):
All right, ten away from the topic, I guess some
folks have got questions for you, Professor am Penn. Let's
start with Melvin's calling from Baltimore Cities Online. One Grand Rising. Melvin,
You're on with Professor Ampi.

Speaker 15 (02:13:41):
Grand Rising everyone and in the USA, saying sex relationships
has been politicized and weaponized. In Africa, the country of
Bekina Fossil just made saying sex marriage a five year

(02:14:02):
prisons at me, but the professor speak on that.

Speaker 9 (02:14:05):
Thank you, thank you, brother. Yeah, so McKinny, Farssul and
other countries you've Ganda, you name it. And they're doing
that because they are prioritizing tradition. And not only prioritizing tradition,
they're also prioritizing the perpetuation and continuation of life. Obviously,

(02:14:27):
people will have their own political views and their personal views.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the perpetuation
of life. This is why it is male and female.
You can't perpetuate life in any other way. And African
culture is not about death because you know. So this
is why Captain Tori has instituted that along with his leadership,

(02:14:50):
because they are prioritizing tradition. It kicked out foreigners and
they want to make sure they go back to a
healthy tradition that helps the people to be independent and
that can embrace their cultural traditions. And this is why
African culture holds so many keys for us to move forward.
And oh, brother, we live in the modern US. We're

(02:15:12):
not talking about that. The issue is that, but look
at the values that people are living under. We can't
survive long term with these kind of practices. So we
look at African cultural practices and cultural lifeways to help
us solve problems today. Because the problems were solved and
worked out in traditional culture doesn't mean that everything was perfect. No,

(02:15:34):
I just said that. Even the Dinker chiefs have said
they're willing to make adjustments and compromise some things that
may be done away with, but not the core values.
So this is what we're going to find, and we
do find in different African countries. And by the way,
these kinds of issues are in urban areas, whether it's

(02:15:57):
in be kinn of Us Soul or or you've in
urban areas. In the rural areas, the isolated areas, you
don't see any of these kind of practices because it
does not perpetuate and help continue life. So they don't
come up certain things are just has not been a

(02:16:19):
part of their experience. Well, how do you know, Well,
we don't have certain words in their language to describe
certain acts. And then when I'm among the people and
these were very remote areas that are hard to get to.
I've gone to areas where they've told me that no
scholar has ever visited them. And I'm walking around and
you know, the women have no shirts on, bare breaths.

(02:16:42):
Oh my god. No, it's not a big issue because
they're not under fear of attack. No one is objectifying
them and not objectifying themselves. It's very hot, so why
would they be wearing a lot of clothes. So certain
things that we're groomed to be sensitive to or to accept,
they don't. And I remember I said this last day.

(02:17:02):
I remember I can mention a lot of experiences. One
that I'm thinking right now is that one of the
guides among the console k on n s O the
console in Ethiopia. I remember the note. Unfortunately, our brother passed,
but the guide the note was telling me when he
was young, he remembered in the console community that that

(02:17:28):
it was it was or it was said that they
didn't even hold court on this. He said that he
remember as a young guy, it was said that somebody
had assaulted a woman. It was I think it was
a sexual assault or something like that. And he said
he saw the man buried alive. You know. So and

(02:17:50):
I say that to mention that the people don't look
at women, uh the way that a lot of people
do here. Uh so it's entirely different view. I remember
I posted something on Facebook a few years ago with
some of the young boys in the Almos Valley among
the Bana group. These are young guys that you know,

(02:18:11):
some of them walk on stilts in the road with
body paint. I remember, we're just taking pictures. I didn't
think anything of it, but next thing I know, I
got a note from Facebook said this picture has been
taken down because it violates the community the rules. And
I'm not even looking at nudity, you know, because that
you would really look and be attracted to their body

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paint of anything else. But that's how it is in
those communities. The values are very different in these communities
and not influenced by too many outsiders at all. Yes,
you may have occasional visitors, but those visitors don't influence
very much at all, and so their values stay intact.
And that's why traditional African culture continues with not too

(02:18:59):
much change because these rural areas, they tend to be
more isolated. They're not interacting with a lot of groups,
and they definitely not following anybody. So a lot of
these practices that we may be struggling with and having
debates about sexual orientation and all of these things, it
is not an issue in these traditional areas. In every institution,

(02:19:23):
every practice is here towards perpetuation and continuing life, and
that's why they set things up the way that they do,
and it runs flawlessly. You see a lot of laughter,
You see people who are totally relaxed, even if you're
in the community with brothers that are heavily armed, completely
relaxed while they are maybe there was some border conflict

(02:19:46):
with another group two weeks earlier and those guys are
so relaxed. You would be more nervous in any US
city during the daytime than you would in these areas,
and that's what I've experienced. So anyway, thank you for
the question. But it comes to values, and maybe on
another program, I'm sure we'll ruffle some feathers, but if

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we really wanted to go into that in great detail,
we can look at the origins of that. But we
can just say right now that Burkina fasoul Uganda, countries
like that that are embracing tradition, they're going to have
laws that protect their traditional practices and their traditional values
that they can point to that go back many, many centuries.

Speaker 1 (02:20:31):
Right, No, that's all right then, Professor MPM got a
step aside for a few moments so our stations can
identify themselves down the line per the FCC. We come
back alex and Alexandre's got a question for you family.
You two can join our discussion with Professor man Newampin.
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four to
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your
phone calls next and Grand Rising family, Happy hump Day

(02:20:51):
to you as well. And we're made way through the week.
The work week of that is a halfway fair. It's
just downhill everywhere step we take. Going further to the weekend,
our guess there is professor man Who Ampinn from Contra
Costa College out in California discussing the rich history of
our Africans, the great leaders, the kings, the queens, the chiefs,
the people who are in Stuol as well. You got

(02:21:13):
to comment a question, reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
We're also going to talk about this documentary's working on
about Kush, the nation of Cush, and also if we
have time, we'll talk about too the Lynch letter he
decoded was a fake. But let's go to Alex's calling
us from Alexander and Virginia's online two. Alex, your question
for Professor Ampim.

Speaker 16 (02:21:35):
Jalong jameome to all the believers of the Torah. We're
on day two family, so this is for educational purpose.
My question for the professor is we in the year
of twenty twenty five, so while we are still calling
kings and queens, when we can just call them Maarnoch

(02:21:57):
now for what I know, Jamaica is the only compson
that I know now is going to break away from monarchs.
It's going to be turned over to the republic this

(02:22:18):
year twenty twenty five. So why are we still calling
kings and queens instead of monarchs? And I remember at
an airport I was at and this African leader or
and I'm calling him a leader because he's in higher
education as he approached the airport, you know, coming through

(02:22:43):
the airport, these Africans all fall down to their needs.
And I don't understand that we're in the year twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 1 (02:22:53):
So spraining right, Alex gave me a chance to Yeah,
let's get she's on to repeat yourself. Let's give m
a chance to respond to to what you said that question.
And professor, I'm pim, you've got a chance to school
our brother right now about the monarchy and the republics
in different countries, because Jamaica is not the only country
that's that's moving from a monarchy to a republic. But

(02:23:14):
go ahead, the professor, I'm help him out.

Speaker 9 (02:23:16):
Yes, I appreciate it. Well, we're speaking English, so in
English we have different words. So a monarch is simply
a head of state and that could be a king
or queen, or it could even be an emperor. So
a monarchy just means the head of state and in
African culture the royal toy or not the head of state,

(02:23:42):
you actually have actual president. So I mentioned Ghana for example,
So President John Muhamma is the elected president of Ghana,
so he's so a monarch. We we're going to use
that term and will relate to the current president and
not to the kings and chiefs who do wield great

(02:24:02):
power and profess and President Muhamma has to consult with them.
If he does not consult with and get approval from
the National House of Chiefs, nothing's going to be implemented.
So it's not a big deal here because it's still
an English term. It just means head of state. It
could refer to a king, queen, emperor, or something like that.

(02:24:23):
But anytime we're speaking English, which is a Latin based
language that comes out of Europe, then it's going to
be limited. This is why we have particular titles depending
on the language. So if you look at a khan,
there's many different groups of a kan and everybody has
a different different title. So a different specific name for

(02:24:48):
rulership in their country. This is why I mentioned need
people with high status. And then even when we could
deal with Classico Africa, we use indigenous terms, but there's
no advantage really, it's really the same difference because there's
all English based words that have to do with someone
ruling or being in charge. But so the solution is

(02:25:08):
a look at African culture and tradition and follow the
practices that have helped us solve problems. And while we're
doing that, then we will learn the traditional titles as well.
You know a lot of people adopt titles. They would
say nana for example, someone of very high status and elder.
So there's terms that people are familiar with. But the

(02:25:30):
bottom line is that it's really not about terms. It's
about understanding the process and what we need to embrace
moving forward. And along with that we will learn the terms,
and more importantly, we'll learned about the protocol, the process
and the traditional values that will help us solve problems today.
So that's what I'm going.

Speaker 1 (02:25:50):
Yeah, let me tum because I think what Alex is
getting that too, because he's thinking about the current day
countries who have ditched the British monarchy and come republics,
and Jamaica is just considering it. But I think Trinidad
and Tobago is also a republican. Most of the countries
who have dumped Britain are republics. They don't they don't
pay homage to the to the British crown, and I

(02:26:13):
think that's where he went. That's I think that's where
he was going. I'm sure he wasn't steeped in what
you were explaining about Africa, because I'm just jumping making
a leap of what I think that Alex was thinking about.
Because the circumfas of is of the thought, especially for
most folks, is the British you know, monarchy, which the
British Empire went. They still had to pay homage to

(02:26:35):
the queen or the king now but now some of
these countries went after they got independence. They're still like Canada,
they still pay homage to the king and the queen
to the crown. But these some other countries now they're
republics if they just do away with the bridge that
they are no longer the last resort when it comes
to the court and all that kind of stuff. So
they've have full independence, and I think that's where Alex

(02:26:56):
was going because I've been following that. The situation is
going down there in some of those Arabian countries as well,
But I think that's where it's going.

Speaker 9 (02:27:02):
But anyway, uh, for the car and it's it's country
is moving away from it, but it's still a whole
bunch still under uh British authority. We can see that.
So anytime British Royalty travel around, we see the countries
hosting them and all of the people genuflected and still
being under the authority. When the Queen died, how many

(02:27:24):
people were honoring the queen while others of minority rose
up and said, what are you honoring? This woman has
been Elizabeth responsible for a lot of degradation of Africas. Yeah,
so he's right, there's been some shift and change, but
there's still a lot of British subjects around.

Speaker 1 (02:27:41):
The world, right, And that's what they call They're not
called citizens, they call subjects because they're subjects to the king.
So you know, they're not British citizens, they're British subjects.
That's another thing too, Uh, the people are trying to
break away from because we've got quite a few listeners
in the UK, Professor, I'm penning. They're always keeping me
up today with that many of them. I'm a conscious

(02:28:01):
you know, if they listened to us, you know they
got a conscious. So they are posts a lot about
the British monarchy and stuff. But I think it's just
a waste of tax payers money. By the way, let
me just add that in the conversations that we have.
But I want to talk to you, professor on Pin
about the documentary that you're working about the civilization of cush.

Speaker 9 (02:28:19):
Yes, this is one of my great projects. It'll be
the greatest film project. So this past summer I was
in Ethiopia in the southwest area of Gambela, and I
hired a film crew that came with me and we
spent about a week and a half and we collected

(02:28:39):
about fifty hours of film. And this film is on
Cushite groups in Gambela, the area in southwest Ethiopia. It's
a very remote area that have five indigenous groups. It's
to Aniak, the Majane, the Opal, Thenware and Nicomo. They're

(02:29:00):
very very isolated and what that means is that they've
maintained their cultural lifeways. So this is a series of films,
but this first one on Kushite groups in Gambella was
for me to interview as I started last summer and
then this summer culminated with a professional film crew to

(02:29:22):
interview chiefs, elders and heroes. So we cambed the area
to interview these very special people about their cultural lifeways,
their cultural traditions, ceremonies, rituals and how it is and
why it is that they incorporate the ostrich feather, the

(02:29:45):
feather from the ostrich bird in the most important ceremonies
and rituals. And then to ask them one by one
why do they incorporate the leopard skin in the most
important ceremonies and rituals. And this is very important because
as they practice these ceremonies and rituals, whether it's births

(02:30:08):
or marriages, or a New Year's celebration or funerals or
the change of chieftainship from one chief to the next,
they use these these cultural items today that have been
used going back thousands and thousands of years which they
don't know about, but they're practicing the same traditions. So

(02:30:31):
the documentary is to show that people are still using
the Ostrich feather for important rituals and ceremonies that can
only be warned by the most important people in the society.
Key roles.

Speaker 1 (02:30:46):
Wow, hopefully we have lost Professor MP Kevin. Can you
see if you can get a fresh back first?

Speaker 5 (02:30:53):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:30:53):
Okay, I'm sorry, go.

Speaker 9 (02:30:54):
Ahead, okay. So anyway, so the documentary is to show
kush and the modern Cushite groups that still continue these
the same lifeways. So some of the most enriching experiences
to be able to put together a documentary to show

(02:31:14):
not only that kush is the oldest of the classical
African civilizations in northeast Northeast Africa, these but the modern
groups continue to practice the Cushitic lifeways even today. And
so the documentary we're working hard on that is over
fifty hours from the field. We have great footage and

(02:31:38):
I continue with interview questions from last year, so this
will be in the documentary on Kushite groups in Gambela.
So we're now entering in the post production phase, which
means that we have all of the footage. Now it
is to put together the footage and tell the story
about cush and its significance. So a documentary I'm really

(02:32:02):
hoping that we could could finalize and finish the documentary
around this January and then it'll be out to the public.
I plan to make it available online, also through DVD
and through the broadcast media. So this would be the
first of a series of I'm sure it's going to

(02:32:23):
be groundbreaking because nobody, no scholar, has focused on this
kind of work and research. This is why I coined
the term Christology for the study of ancient and modern Cush.
We hear about Egyptology ancient Egypt, many of us are
not Egyptologists, where chemictologists and listeners have probably heard about Nubiology,

(02:32:48):
the study of ancient and modern Nubia, but no one
had focused enough on cush to come up with the
term to study kush. So that's why I came up
with Chrishology. So this film, Kushite Groups in Gambella is
what I'm working on now and is centered around a
series of interviews with chiefs, with elders, and with heroes.

Speaker 1 (02:33:15):
Thirteen at the top, there were pressing me and new
ampn professional mpendo. How did that interview process come about?
Did they trust you where they're open to you? Well,
they're kind of suspicious. Here's a guy with an American
accent going and asking questions about our people. How did
that go about?

Speaker 9 (02:33:31):
Well, I appreciate the question I have. I've been fortunate
to have adopted family in different countries, and I've been
going to Ethiopia now for about fifteen years. But more importantly,
I've been doing work in the Olmo Valley in the
southern area of Ethiopia, and many listening in the DMV area.

(02:33:53):
There's a lot of Ethiopias and near trains, but almost
all of them are from the north. You know, they're
from the North area. I'm talking about Ethiopia, the what
I call the other Ethiopia in the south, the Oma Valley,
those that are not linked to the north.

Speaker 5 (02:34:08):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (02:34:08):
No, they're they're linked to the people uh in South Sudan,
Kenya and Uganda. And so when we first started out
about eight years ago, my colleague in ethiop Uh Ethio
and Allum. We were going to these remote areas, but
we were interviewing the translators or or really talking mainly

(02:34:32):
with translators in it. And my colleague described the problem perfectly.
He said, you know what, brother, that that we're getting
broken information. I said, you're you're right. So for the
last seven years or so, we now only interview the
leadership in the different groups. So we first, you know,

(02:34:52):
had a little stumble because he was saying I was
from America and uh, and then he would describe me
that way. So it would take me five to ten
minutes for them to understand that I'm not a part
of USAID or the US government or some university sponsored project.
So I had to build my credibility. But we soon
we soon recognized that that was not the right approach.

(02:35:13):
That now he started to introducing me as one of
them who's from there and just happened to move away,
and now I'm back home to document the history. So
because we've now been doing that for the last seven years,
the credibility is automatically there because they they hear about
my work, they know about my work, and they see
me as one of the you know, the brothers and

(02:35:36):
sisters from the continent, and so now you know, your
reputation precedes you. So we've have had so many doors open.
And one of the things I noticed in the interviews
this summer is that there were different chiefs. I remember
one of the chiefs from the Animac group he was
when he was answering my questions about about leadership and

(02:35:56):
chieftainship and ritual and protocol. He said this inspired him
to remember the importance of his own traditional life ways
and that he was motivated and inspired to embrace it
even harder and teach even more with more passionate about
it because he recognized that my energy was was helping

(02:36:20):
to motivate him as he was explaining it. Now he's
more motivated to continuous life ways. But because I have
great colleagues like I al, I'm like, they're about you
and others who know my work. At first they didn't
understand because you know, most people are just tourists. They
take photos and they run off. But it so it
took a while. Now they perfectly understand what my mission is.

(02:36:44):
They they can answer, they can ask some of the
most of the questions. They know what I'm going to
ask because it's the same questions about you know, about
tradition life ways and high level chieftainship. So it took
a while. Took well not a long time, but it
took a year or so for us to really figure
out how they have the doors completely open as they

(02:37:06):
are now. So now you know, I have great relationships
with the with the with a lot of the chiefs
and elders and heroes in the region.

Speaker 1 (02:37:14):
So it took right and hold. I thought, right there,
Professor Ampe, we've got a step aside. I let you
finish your thought. We'd come back. We've got some folks
in Virginia and Houston got questions for you. Seventeen minutes
after the top of they have family. I guess it's
Professor May new Mpin from Contra Costa Conzact in California.
We're talking about it's documentary on cushions trips to Africa.
What are your thoughts eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight to seventy six speak to doctor m PM will

(02:37:36):
take your calls next and grand rising family, thanks for
staying with us on this Wednesday morning here twenty one
minutes to have at the top of that with our guests,
Professor May and new Ampin. Professor Ampin's were on our
top scoars and let me just say this, I guess
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If you if you you know if if they're not

(02:37:56):
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Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six thomas Is are reaching out to us from
Virginia's online one Grand Rising. Thomas, you have a question
for Professor and mainu Mpim Grand Rising.

Speaker 6 (02:38:15):
Professor, I wanted to ask a question, and I hear
it in your excellent ExPASy of this subject. I didn't
hear the name of Holly Celestii. Could you briefly explain
any information that you have about him? When he was

(02:38:35):
brought before the United Nations and the world and made
the White man bow to the first King, and they
crowned him with the star David, when they brought him
here to Washington, when Kennedy put that star around his neck,
can you explain on the concept of who he was

(02:38:55):
and the lineage of that.

Speaker 9 (02:38:59):
Yeah, he can, thank you, my brother. I appreciate it. Well,
you know, he comes from a great lineage going back
to Menelik the second. So this is a royal tradition,
and so Halassie Elaste is respected by many, not all,
but definitely respected by many Ethiopians. But he had a

(02:39:25):
great impact. And it's not an accident that through the
leadership of Holly Selassie that we have Ethiopia as really
the center of African politics today, so the organization of
African Unity and so forth. But if they meet there
and in O East Ababa, the capital city, Celastie played

(02:39:47):
a very critical role in that. And so I think
when we look at his long lineage and lineage of
leadership in Ethiopia, he's central to that. You know, he's central,
as you probably know, to the Rostafari movement and the
roster Fari gave land. So there's some that come to

(02:40:08):
to UH, you know, to to to UH as session
money for example. That's land that Celasties set aside for
the group. You know. So there's many reasons why people
honor Holly celasse and you know, someone who comes from

(02:40:30):
long lineage of rulership so UH. You know, he's highly
respected in some areas and some quarters of Ethiopia, but
he definitely is an important example in UH in the
twentieth century that people should look to. And then you know,
it's not an accident why Ethiopia holds such a great
place UH in Africa today, and so many international bodies

(02:40:53):
meet there because it's been a hub for quite some
time and hotly. Selassie is at the center of this UH,
of the elevation of Ethiopia, so very important. By the way,
the name, just as a side note, Ethiopia is the
Greek name, which means black face, burnt faced, or kissed
by the sun. But the old name, even before Solomon

(02:41:16):
and Minilk, even before that, it was called Kush. We
don't know what Kush means, but the Greeks when they
were referring to Kush, they called the people Ethiops and
the place Ethiopia, So it's actually a foreign name. So
that's something that people should know. And that's one reason
I'm very interested in Ethiopia because the heartland of Kush

(02:41:40):
was in that region. The heartland was actually in current
day Sudan, that's where they built the most enduring monuments,
but push spread throughout the entire region current day Egypt,
Ethiopia or Tria, Djibouti, you name the Egypt, and even
across the Red Sea into Yemen and in Saudi Arabia

(02:42:02):
as well. But anyway, so Salali Celestie is very important
to the development and the modernization of Ethiopia. So yeah,
he's highly respected.

Speaker 1 (02:42:17):
Ethiopia the only country that was never colonized on the continent.

Speaker 9 (02:42:21):
Yes, and they that's one of the things. So in
Ethiopia they have a theme. The one theme is the
land of Origins, so the government agency that you mentioned
the land of Origins. And then secondly, it's not never colonized.
And they used the Battle of Ottawa in eighteen ninety
six as an example when they beat back the Italians.

(02:42:41):
And however the Italians did They did occupy Ethiopia from
nineteen thirty five to nineteen forty one, so it was
occupied but not fully colonized, and so they do mention that.
But also I point out to people, yeah, it wasn't colonized.
But also let's let's be clear that there's that there's

(02:43:02):
not Italian influence. There is, yeah, it really is. So
you know, like the largest market in the entire region,
some say all of Africa, but I know that the
largest market for buying and selling in the entire region
is the mercado. Mercado is the Italian word for market.

(02:43:27):
So you have those kinds of influences, so that yes,
never colonized, but we also have to be realistic at
that there was and still is some influence. But at
the same time, Ethiopia remain uncolonized and does have a
great independent cultural resistance that is beautiful to experience.

Speaker 1 (02:43:51):
Yeah, it really is twenty seven. At the top of that,
let's go to Houston. Kevin's waiting for us. He's online too,
Grand Rising Kevin, your questions for Professor Manu Champion?

Speaker 14 (02:44:01):
Thank you for taking a call. What are some of
the things that the African countries need in terms of
what we in this country have to offer, some of
the resources, intellectual whatever that And is there a continental language,

(02:44:28):
common language that they're that they're that they're settling on
or they're going to be putting in place? And then
the third question is what about the conflict between Ethiopia
and Eurytrea. And I'll hang up and I'll listen to
your response.

Speaker 9 (02:44:50):
Okay, thank you brother for that. Let's see I think
the first to say what we could what they need? Well,
one of the things that that can be helpful is
that people instead of instead of vacationing, you know, people
that have disposable resources can go and just volunteer. They
don't have to wait for some uh some Uian agency

(02:45:15):
or some big organization to set up some teacher teacher
program for people to go and teach. But we can
do that, We really can. I mean, one of the
things they definitely need is to you know, being able
to communicate effectively in English. Being able to write, for example,

(02:45:35):
can help as they articulate themselves or learn also learn
other kind of skills. One of the things that I'm doing,
for example, and I I'm going to sign a a
mo OU memorandum with the University of with Gambella University,
and that is to really help guide them because they

(02:45:58):
don't have a his Street department. But the president is
well aware that this is one of the great things
that they could use that. So they have tourism the
area that they're developing, and they're looking to develop their
cultural resources to learn and promote Gambella culture. But they

(02:46:20):
don't have a history department. And this is my field.
I'm a trained historian. So one of the things I'm
going to contribute is to really train and mentor historians
and help guide them in creating a history department. They
don't always in a different universe. They don't always have that.
And one of the things that I found as I

(02:46:42):
work to develop more and more relationships with the universities
is that they tend to rely on outside or Western archaeologists,
Western anthropologists, and it's like a strange conversation. I'm talking
about field work that I'm going in the Olmo Valley
region and they're quoting some white guy from abroad. So

(02:47:06):
are you kidding me? You guys, you have direct access
to these special and remote communities and you're quoting the
white guy. But this is what's happening. So I think
if we can bring our expertise in whatever area is
this is what they need, you know, really for people
to get paid something very minor, or if they can volunteer,

(02:47:27):
that's great as well. But they do need that, they
need our help and assistance and they can definitely use that.
That's one thing you also mentioned.

Speaker 17 (02:47:36):
There's no possibility in the immediate future of having any
any language, any one linguid franca or one language in
Africa because the groups are too they're too.

Speaker 9 (02:47:49):
Wedded to their own traditions. They're not going to give
up their language. So the most you can do, or
that could be done is look at maybe regional languages.
Like in West Africa, many people people speak Bambara, so
can that be used as a local or kind of
a regional language. About East Africa, Swahili is not an
ethnic group, so Swahili has been targeted, you know, decades

(02:48:12):
ago as maybe being the one language rather than French
or English being the language that the communicate in. But
what about Swahili because it's not ethnic groups, so no
one's giving up their ethnic identity. But people just use
Swahili outside of the immediate speakers just for trade. But
it's very difficult because the groups are really locked into

(02:48:35):
their own groups and they're not going to give up
anything in their cultural lifeways just to embrace something that
other groups are using. So it has to be more practical.
Maybe there's railway systems roads from that link states together,
but it has to be a practical way. And Shaykanta
d I wrote about that when he wrote about Black

(02:48:55):
Africa the Economic and Cultural Basis of a Federated State,
where he said there has to be practical linkages, communications systems,
travel systems. But right now, you want to go from
one country to another, usually got to go to some
other part of the continent and then come back to
the country you really want to go to where you've
got to go to Europe and then come back. So
those are all problems to stay the least at Ethiopian Ertria.

(02:49:20):
The Italians were instrumental in that conflict, and so they
still have ongoing conflict, even though there's a lot of
overlap in terms of their spiritual practices. Family. But you know,
some some Ethiopians don't recognize Eryitria at all. Others do

(02:49:42):
recognize Ertria, and they tend, as I've seen, they tend
to have better relationships here in the US than they
than they do back home. But these are uh, you know,
divisions that were created by the colonialists that still still
exists and take place today. And by the way, it's
not eat the Opian air treat within Ethiopia. There's vast

(02:50:03):
differences here Romo and them hard they don't get along,
they don't and you have other groups they just don't
and then you have other groups they don't get along
with the government. So when I'm traveling, folks, when I'm
traveling and doing research, we have to have security with
us all the time because there's conflict everywhere. But it's

(02:50:24):
just like in any city in the US. Yes there's conflict,
Yes there could be issues, but you get used to
it and you know where to go, where not to go,
and when not to go there. And that's what we've
been able to do over the years. So will trust
me when I'm doing the field work. It ain't a
piece of cake. But this is my life's work. I
didn't choose the mission. The mission chose me. So I

(02:50:44):
don't operate out of fear because in reality, even with
the conflict within Ethiopia, in these different areas and the
remote areas for example, where I'm at, when I take
a look at it, in reality, I'm more at risk
here in the States as a brother than I am there.
I live in Oakland, California, and work in Contra Costic

(02:51:05):
Collegi is in Richmond, So I'm in a high risk
group on a regular and constant basis. And this is
what I had to inform the film crew of I said,
you guys live in Oakland. You're talking about some issue
here in Gambela. I said, take a look at how
many people were killed just in your city when they
were at home. But in Gambella you got to actually

(02:51:27):
go to the conflict area for the most part. So anyway,
there's a lot of conflict within Ethiopia, so a lot
of work to be done. So I just say really
that whatever skilled person has, if they have the desire,
then we can definitely I could definitely help them to
find a way to utilize their skill and also for
the documentary. So I'm really easy to reach. It's main

(02:51:48):
new MPM at Gmail. That's M A n U and
last name is A M P I M. If you
email me, I can definitely connect you with some folks
that certainly could use some help and support in Ethiopia.

Speaker 1 (02:52:03):
And uh yeah, well let me jomm here because we're
raising the clock, coming up on a break. But isn't
Ethiopia and Egypt beefing about the water dam currently as
we speak?

Speaker 9 (02:52:13):
Yeah, that's a that's a big issue because the British
the same old haughty and arrogant British when they went
into the area. The British first conquered Egypt and they
went south into Sudan and set up their their colonial rule,
and they set up this agreement that Egypt would use
the vast majority of the Nile River resources, and so

(02:52:37):
so Ethiopia participated in this as as a country that
was not able to wield any influence in this agreement,
so Dan was under the authority of of of of
the British at Ethiopia really had no leverage. So they,
according to the Egyptians, can't use that much of the

(02:52:58):
Nile to for their own purposes. And then Egypt still
wants the Lion's share with an agreement that was made
one hundred years ago. So Ethiopia said, we will build dams,
we will do what we want with the own water resources.
And Egypt said, actually, you're not, and if you do
that and continue to do that, we're going to go
to war. So the whole Nile basin group of countries,

(02:53:20):
it is about nine or ten countries, you know, they
meet to try to discuss how to collectively benefit from
the Nile, the branches of the Nile River. But Egypt
wants the Lion's share, and they're going back to an old,
outrageous British colonial agreement that has no credibility. In Ethiopia

(02:53:40):
has been independent, is independent and they will make independent decisions.
So Egypt will continue to press and claim that they're
going to go to war if they don't get their way.

Speaker 2 (02:53:52):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:53:52):
Thank you for if a class find that, just hear
and read about the reports and know the background, and
thank you for sharing that with us. It's twenty three
minutes away from the top of that. We're gona take
a last break and we got some more folks want
to talk to Professor man New MPM. You too can
join the discussion. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we take
a phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

(02:54:12):
sticking with us on this Wednesday morning. Here seventeen minutes
away from the top of that with our guest, Professor
May New Ampinn from Contra Costa College out in California
and Northern California, discussing what's going on in the continent.
Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixth
number to call speak to Professor AMPM. Brother Collis is
reaching out first, he's online one Grand Rising brother Collus,
You're on with the professor Ampim.

Speaker 10 (02:54:35):
Rising and thank you very much for the valuable information.
Professor MPEN, I respect, I just want to keep it
real is what we're dealing with in the European the
master instigator, the master thief in our cultural values and

(02:54:57):
artifacts from the app of the African continents. Uh. It
is akin to a criminal enterprise, the greatest criminal enterprise
in the world, uh, which which he has participated in.
And and uh even uh for one example, the Pope
uh with his staff and his point it had stealing

(02:55:20):
from the pharaohs of of of of Egypt, or chemic
and so forth.

Speaker 6 (02:55:25):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (02:55:26):
But uh, I think we have to be honest and
we have to tell our children, particularly you know, about
our great legacy, legacy and how this legacy has been
stolen from us. Uh, you know, by by the Europeans
who came to the continent to to rape and the
pillage and to steal, and to this day they still

(02:55:47):
engage in that criminal enterprise. And I hope you can
respond to comment on that, my dear brother, and I
appreciate you and all the information.

Speaker 9 (02:55:57):
Thank you, Thank you, brother. Yeah, I appreciate it. Well, yeah,
you're right, he's a master instigator. There's no question whatsoever.
And you mentioned a couple of terms. But yeah, the
stolen legacy is something that we've had to overcome it

(02:56:17):
and also the destruction of these African civilizations has also
been something that we've had to overcome. So that's part
of our task is to remember to recover from historical amnesia.
You know, the d naive person can say, well, it
doesn't matter. We're in modern US, so no, it does matter.
Just like France, for Non said, we can't try to

(02:56:39):
catch up and duplicate the decadentes of Europe or euro America.
We have a tradition that worked out problems, and we
need to embrace the tradition to help us solve problems today.
So it's very important that we recognize where these problems
have come from. These are outside values that had nothing

(02:57:00):
to do with traditional culture and being among the chiefs, elders, heroes,
it's amazing that they represent a solid basis and foundation
for us to look back in order to move forward.
And they're serious about it. They're very serious. If someone
violates what's in the best interest of the community, there's

(02:57:22):
a price to pay, and that's one of the things
we have to get back to. You know, shaming is now.
You know people run around say they have no shame
in their game. Really we have no shame but that's
one of the things that would keep people in order.
It's shaming, and then people would do something about it
physically if need be. And I've talked to different chiefs
who made the very clear that if somebody is out

(02:57:44):
of pocket that threatens the best interest and welfare of
the community or the village, there is a price to pay,
an immediate price to pay. So we have to know
those things and recognize what our traditional values have been
and how they have served us if we're going to
move forward. So I do appreciate you your comments. But
now one thing I would also add is that I'm

(02:58:08):
not sure everybody listening would know, but some may if
you're really in tune with what's happening with young people.
But one of the greatest, most devastating things that's taking
place right now that's infiltrated the US and our community
is suffering greatly from our young people who are who
are absolutely dominated and controlled by TikTok. That's where they

(02:58:33):
get their values. And you have some of the most
outrageous videos that people will post things that a normal person,
things that a self respecting person would never tell anybody.
These people will go online and tell the world through
the Internet because they want likes, they want clicks, they
want clout, and this is what the norm is. And
then you get these crazy people not only responding to

(02:58:57):
these videos but embracing the values. So this part of
our challenge. Now you get teenagers, people in their twenties,
even in their past thirties, in their forties on making
some crazy videos. But that's what we're struggling with now,
is the promotion of outrageous values that have nothing to

(02:59:17):
do with sharing or carrying or with moving the community forward.
These are individuals that are promoting the most vile content
that you can imagine. Whether they believe all of it
or not. Most of them do believe it. Some they
don't have to believe it. As long as they can
get likes and interaction, then they can get money. They're
looking to get paid monetarily, and this is what we're

(02:59:38):
struggling against. We can have, on the one hand, a
great Carl Nelson radio program, but then we are directly
being challenged by the viral TikTok videos that are teaching
people how to involve themselves with debauchery and Western values
that have nothing to do with destruction of community, family.

Speaker 1 (03:00:00):
Life turn away from the top of our brother Sadeka
Baccari continuously warns us about putting our personal information on
the internet because that says that's what they need, the algorithms,
that's how they get us get and if they can't
operate without us giving up our personal information. But that's
beside the point. Some of these folks need to go
see if we could bring doctor Welson back and have

(03:00:22):
them sit on a couch. Eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seven. Sis Kaushi is joining us
from Malan Online. Two grand rising Cashiba. You're on with
Professor Impim.

Speaker 13 (03:00:32):
Oh.

Speaker 12 (03:00:33):
Great show as usual, Carl, Thank you very much, and
thank you Professor Ampim for all that you do. The
last thing that you said you were talking about these
they're all on TikTok. Some of these young people have
their own website. My grandson gave me three of them

(03:00:55):
and there were tons of them. They get all those clicks.
I think, Carl, you should have a show just on that.
I guess somebody has to put their name out in
the open because I don't think most parents know who
they are. But the reason I called regarding Africa, and
I'm sorry it might be a little off topic, but

(03:01:18):
the situation in the Sudan. I'm finding that a lot
of our black people that have Internet, they have their
own Internet shows, they tend to avoid talking about the
situation in the Sudan is that the RSF is sponsored

(03:01:42):
or given a great deal of money to fight against
the government of the Sudan and the RSF the Arab
country that's responsible for that.

Speaker 16 (03:01:55):
Is you a e.

Speaker 12 (03:01:58):
United Arab Emermrades? What are they afraid to say anything
against the Arabs? Is that the reason why I'm talking
about I'm not gonna name any names, but there's some
local ones here in DC that have their own websites.
They don't tend to want to say anything. I know

(03:02:20):
our black people in Congress, some of them are on
the take from Israel, so they don't say anything. But
what about that situation? The Arabs also are causing chaos
in parts of Africa.

Speaker 9 (03:02:34):
Right, No, that's a good point, my sister, I appreciate
your comments. So in Sudan, actually had been working in
Sudan since two thousand and seven and had been going
on a regular basis. In fact, my adopted family from
Sudan or from the cartoon or the capital area. And

(03:02:56):
since the war broke out in April of twenty twenty three,
one hundred and more than one hundred and twenty members
of my adopted family have been displaced. Now they're all
over the place. I'm in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Germany, the UAE.
And so what's happening in Sudan is that in twenty nineteen,

(03:03:18):
actually starting in December of eighteen, I was there in
January twenty nineteen, the people, the regular everyday people, they
rose up against the Omar Bashir government and they finally
overthrew Bashir in April of twenty nineteen. It was a
people's uprising, but the military took over that and said

(03:03:40):
they would just be a transitional government and they would
transition from military to civilian rule. But they never did that.
So in the midst of that chaos, the Rapid Support Forces,
this was a group from the west that the former
dictator Bashir, who had ruled for thirty years, that he
rose up. The Rapid Support Forces are steff in order

(03:04:02):
to protect him. However, that's the wrong term. They're not
really rapid support forces. They're gingweat uh in Sudan the people.
The Sudanese call them Ginguweat. They're from the west. Ginguweat
in Arabic means devil on horseback. So these these are
devils literally demons that their whole goal is to kill

(03:04:25):
Africans and take their land and then lie to say
that they were the original landowners all along. So these
criminals are looking to rewrite history and the Gingweat devil's
on horseback so called rapid support forces. Nobody supports them
at all. And these are Arabs. These are legitimately Arabs

(03:04:47):
who are from western uh Sudan and eastern Chad and
some of them are Arabs and African mixed and confuse
Africans who think that they're Gingerweat and their whole goal
is a fighter gets to Sudanese military and to take
over the country. These are ignorant killers. I did. I attended

(03:05:11):
the presentation a few months ago, and it was about Sudan.
And that's what they were trying to do here in
Oakland is to raise the profile of what's happening in Sudan.
We talk about Gaza when we should, However, it is
there's great genocide happening in Sudan and these criminals, their
whole goal is not only just displaced the people, but
destroy the ancient Kushite artifacts and monuments. I mean, I

(03:05:35):
shudder to find out when it's all said and done,
what has been done to the Sudanese National Museum. We
don't know, we will find out. But the people have
been killed in displaced to a very large degree. Some
are trying to come back, but the problem is they're
still fighting, and not only that, but come back to
what The infrastructure has been destroyed by the fighting, and

(03:05:57):
so people are not talking about it. Because even before
the World War broke out in twenty twenty three, before
that broke out, one of my Nubian colleagues was telling
me that when they spoke out at a rally in
New York, there were some people from Soudan threatening, threatening her,

(03:06:22):
threatening her family, threatening her children to be quiet and
don't say anything, don't say another word. So she decided
it probably wasn't worth it because you know, she wanted
to protect her children. So there are people that may
not be speaking out because of that and other reasons
why people are not speaking out about what's happening in Sudan,
where there's great Cenatou genocide taking place. Is people are

(03:06:46):
not organized. They're not organized to amplify their voice, and
that's another problem. They're not as organized as the Palestinians
in Ghana and Gaza, for example. So those are some
things happening. Is one of the great tragedies that should
be in the forefront of what we are talking and
writing about as we deal with big issues and problems

(03:07:08):
in the world. And nobody should ever be mentioning genocide
without talking about what's happening in an ongoing manner in Sudan.
And it is the vicious Gingueat, these devils on horseback
that are bent on killing all of the mass elite
and other Africans, and they say that that's their goal.
They killed them, They killed all of the men. They

(03:07:28):
may leave a few teenage guys around, but they kill
the men and kill some women, but keep women around
in order to sexually abuse them and so that the
next generation would be Gingerweat offspring. And that is the
goal of these criminals. And oh, I'm thought, and one
other quick thing, the United Arab image. You're absolutely right,
they are sending weapons. They send weapons, these criminals, they

(03:07:53):
send weapons to the Gingwee in order to get gold,
to extract gold, oh, to extract resources from Sudan. So
these vicious UAE criminals are definitely involved with funding these
genocidal lists to kill Africans. And all of these young
folks who are foolishly going to Dubai, the big city

(03:08:15):
there in the UAE, so that they can flex and
act like they got a lot of money in cloud.
They're part of the problem by disconnecting their phony affluent
lifestyle with going and giving resources to criminals that are
working every day to undermine the sedan in Africa. So
that's what's happening.

Speaker 1 (03:08:35):
Wow wow wow, thank you for sharing that and thank you.
See if we'll bring that up because this situation Soudan
gets no coverage. You know, people talk about Godshi you're right,
but it gets no coverage. But listen speaking about coverage,
reach just flat out of time, professor a MPM. How
can folks reaching them one more information on what you're doing?

Speaker 9 (03:08:53):
Yes, I appreciate it. Folks can reach me directly at
MEINU ANDMPM a email that they may in you a
MPIM so it can email me directly about the documentary
Cushite groups in Gambella or just be on the email
list to find that what's happening. Also, some of what
I've covered today is in my book, A History of
African Civilization, So you can email me directly. You can

(03:09:15):
also call, but you can email.

Speaker 1 (03:09:18):
All right, we got to run out of here. We
flat out of time. Thank you, professor. I'm PIM family
classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll
see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore
on ten ten WLB in the DMV on FM ninety
five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL

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