Professor Manu Ampim Returns with African Studies Insights and Holiday Wellness Tips

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're with the most submitted the Carl Nelson Show. You're
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
And Grand Rising family, and welcome to September. Thanks for
starting your week with us again. Later Contra Costa College
Professor Mani Lampin will check into our classroom. Professor am
Pin specializes in African studies. By the way, he was
the person who found out the Will and Inch letter
was a fake, but befure were here from Professor m
Pim gave brother single by a will join us. Ma'ma

(00:57):
Telli hostic doctor and restaurant Doctor Brook will be here.
But let's check in with Kevin first and get through
this classroom. Doors opened, Grand Rising, Kevin, how are you
feeling this morning?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Excellent?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Carl Nelson, Grand Rising. Indeed, sir, it's a labor day
and for many people that means sleeping in whatever whatever
that feels like, you see.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
But yeah, so we just but for.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Kevin, it's also the unofficial end of summer. You know,
supposedly fall starts and all star when it comes to September,
you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, summer is over. Yeah, man, I'm telling you. And
where did it go? It rained most of the time
until this weekend when it was beautiful as all get
out this weekend. And however, you know at time continues, No,
no man can stop the time.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
How you feeling, Coln Nelson?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
How you I'm still learning, Kevin? But officially, family, the
summer ends officially the twenty second of September, so a
few more weeks before it's officially over. But what this
means is starting today, this is when the politicians get
serious about the elections, the fall elections. So this is
the election season he really kicks off. They sat to
sit down there, wait until after this holiday, then they

(02:17):
get serious. But what else is training in the news
this morning, Kevin?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well else beginning politicians. There's a political standoff in Chicago
as the President is beginning to plan to crack down
on crime and the illegal immigration in Chicago. The Homeland
Security Secretary Christy Noan told CBS News Face the Nation
that US immigration and Customs enforcement operations in Chicago and

(02:44):
other parts of the country would be bolstered, but declined
to provide details, and she said that Trump would make
any decision to deploy National Guards troops. And on the
same program, Illinois Governor J. B. Pritt was said Trump
wanted to deploy troops so that he could halt or
manipulate US mid term elections, like you were talking about.

(03:08):
So it's just a distraction from what's going on. And
White House spokesman Abigail Jackson criticized the Illinois governor for
not doing more to deal with crime.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
And yeah, here's the deal with that cabin The difference
between sending troops into Washington, d C. Because Washington DECA
is a federal district, so he has control over the troops,
to sending the National Guard into d C. Does not
have that in Illinois. So this is the major difference.
I think that's why Priscoe was reminding him out.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Oh okay, meanwhile, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson, a Democrat, issued
an executive order. I didn't know that mayors could do that,
but he issued an executive order Saturday that said the
local police will not assist with the National Guard of
the federal operations.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
And as that's interesting, well, you know, we'll see what
the police union in Chicago says about that, because usually
they are at odds with the mayor when he comes
like that stuff like that. They're always siding with the administration.
I'm talking about the police unions now family, So we'll
see that. So far, they haven't responded yet that we

(04:22):
know of, but we'll see what if they agree, because
you know, do they want to basically what the uh
the president is saying very nept controlling the crime in
the city, and so they need help. And not only that,
it's supposed to coming into crack down help the ice rates.
That's what the you know, that's what he's did in
l A after the officers in rating folks who you know,

(04:46):
overstand their visas or or being in the country illegally.
So we'll see how the police respond. The official report
from the police, which we haven't heard from yet so far.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I tell you, it just doesn't seem that he could
just possibly send them into a place like you know,
like I said, DC is federal anyway, but to do
it anywhere else, he's gonna get all kinds of pushback.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I can.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I can just almost predict that. And I'm not a
prognosticator or a prognosticism.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I don't do that.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
But in other news that there's things happening as far
as as wait, hold on, I lost my story. So
what about this guy R FK and he says that
America's public health system needs to be changed all around,

(05:45):
and Trump is supporting that. You got any thoughts on
our FK Jr.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, you know, I told you we try to get RFK.
RFK was telling people he was, you know, coming to
the black community and telling people not to take the shot.
And then we found out that his wife had said
that nobody comes into her house. We're having a shot
is for her. He must be a Christmas party, one
of the children's birthday parties. R f Kate Junior was there.

(06:10):
So having heard that, we invited him to come on
the program and tell us why he's you know, focusing
on the black community telling us not to take the shot.
When he's taking the shot. Old Herd was crickets. So
you know, since then, they've kind of leary anything he says.
But then again he's got an excuse. He says there's
a worm in his brain or something like that. You know,

(06:30):
he's not a medical doctor. He went to law school,
so he's just what does he know about medicine. So
that's that's the question that you have to ask. Anything
that he says, he just got to take a grain
of sword he has a legal background, which he hasn't used,
but not a medical background.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well, he's claiming that vaccines have caused other ailments, and
and the Senator James and Langford is backing him, not
of any relation, right, And so the Daily Beasts reported
that a decision to remove COVID vaccine from the market

(07:10):
based on the research that Kennedy supposedly had, and he
has long opposed vaccines, and he's saying that that COVID
nineteen is the deadliest vaccine ever made, contradicting scientific evidence.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And so well, here's the other piece to Kevin. Covid
is reared his ugly head again. All sorts of reports
that are COVID breaking out in several states.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
So it didn't go away.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Was here before and he's still here. But here's another
thing that IRFK said he's going to come out. I
think it's this week. He's going to say he's going
to tell us what causes artism. So it's going to
be interesting.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
We FARSK, Yeah, that's it autism.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
He's claiming that that comes from years of vaccines that
haven't been working.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
And there may be some validity to that. I'm not
sure you know, you know, a broken crock is one.
It's right once an hour, they say, so he may
have maybe some credibility. But you know, when we check
in with doctor Brook, will you find out what he thinks.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
About all this?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (08:16):
And finally, maybe it's a little sad note that there
was a mass shooting in Minnesota, in Minne Innapolis rather
and so, killing two children, fourteen other children, and three
elderly parishioners were wounded while marking the first week of
class at Annunciation Catholic School. The shooter is now dead,

(08:39):
and he was identified as a twenty three year old
Robin Westmond and had a manifesto and a whole bit
what's going on with that? And there's also a high
crime rate in Oklahoma where James Langford is the representative,
and yeah, he's in favor of the president sending national

(09:03):
guard to Chicago, but not Oklahoma, right, And.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I mean you could throw Tennessee in that work, you know,
because Memphis is maybe on the top of the list
where the highest crime rate is. But you see, again
it's not targeting those red states like Oklahoma, as you mentioned,
in Tennessee through where the crime rate per capita is
higher than New York, LA, d C. And even Chicago.
So wait, I saw the interview he did on one

(09:29):
of those news shows on Sunday and he said, well,
I yeah, it was to me the president. He says, yeah,
I'll have to go and check that. Hey, dude, he's
coming on the national and if you have your facts,
you know, stop just regurgerating what you heard from your handlers.
But they don't tell you the whole story. They just
tell you the one that makes you look good. And

(09:50):
you're on national TV and bumbling and fumbling, and the
lady had her facts responsor. He went on and on
and on. You know, when somebody is know the answer,
they go on and on and on. This would we
asked you, what was your response? Obviously she had to
take a break so she couldn't get a double check
you money, But that was interesting. I'm glad you saw that,
Kevin right right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
He was all red faced, man.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
So thanks Carl. That's the uh, that's the way it is.
Here on the first day of September, Happy Labor Day
to one and all. We've got doctor Barok standing valley.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
All right, doctor Baru grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Grand Rising, my brother, grand rising brother. You know again,
it's a it's a pleasure to listen to you and
our brother brother like for as you all are sharing,
you know, the information what's going on on the front.
It's very exciting. I'm thankful for the door being opened
by your your back and forth and sharing your insight

(10:47):
on what's going on in our world.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And one of the things we talked about, as you heard,
we talked about RFK as talking about the vaccines, and
we're talking about that KOVID never really left us dot
to broken. Because I'm hearing reports increased reports of COVID
in certain areas, certain states. It's just blowing up your
thoughts on that. That's the whole COVID idea. Well, I

(11:13):
think it's probably a week long, you know, conference that
we would need to have as a community to understand
what COVID and what the COVID vaccine has done to
our community. And first off, you know, I would say
there's a piece of information that doesn't get out there,

(11:33):
and that is those of us who have sufficient levels
of vitamin D and also other very significant vitamins and
minerals in our diet or insign of our body do
not die from COVID. It's you know, so there's morbidity
from COVID happens primarily behind us being sick already. You know,

(11:54):
that co morbidity conversation was there earlier. If you got diabetes,
you got high blood pressure, you got heart disease, and
we know who has more of that than anybody else.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
It's us.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
So if if you know, if that's the case, then
you know, maybe we should be working on not having
those illnesses on the front end. But the reason why
many of us have those illnesses is because one those deficiencies,
those high levels of toxicity, and our trust in a
system that has demonstrated it's not worthy of our trust.

(12:25):
And I know that's a that's a tough conversation to
have when you talk about not trusting your government, not
trusting the medical establishment. Maybe not as tough in the
African American community as it may be in others. But
I think even in the African American community where we're
very trusting of a system and a government that seemingly
is undermining us on multiple levels, it's not just police brutality.

(12:49):
You know, what what would it look like, what would racism,
what would what would oppression what would you know, suppression
of a people, What would elimination of a people look like?
In the medical what would it look like in the
education field, and the financial field and the social fields.
So we're just seeing something play out that I think
had we been better prepared health wise, it would not

(13:13):
have affected us. But that's the same every year with
the flu. The flu knocks out the people who have
low vitamin D levels, who have comorbidities. If we would
understand the importance of getting ourselves healthy and seeing that
we got from March to October to get there, you know,
because that's when things are going to really get worse
when it cranks up in October, that we would, you know,

(13:37):
we would fare better. But we continue to trust on
in a system that doesn't look out for our best interests.
And it's on record for not looking out for our
best interests. And I know it's not a populist way
to deal with the government and the country that we
live in, but it's on record. This is not disputable,
it's the evidence is clear. And on top of that,

(13:57):
not only did Fauci and his crew produced the virus
and send it to China and there's enough proof to
suggest that that really did happen. But Maderna, who has
the worst track record in pharmaceutical drug history, that they're
they're like they've been sued more times and more money,

(14:21):
more damages, more financial damages have been levied against them
for the harm that they've caused people. And for us
to just say I blindly trust them, that's a problem. Brother.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Calm Yeah, at fifteen a half the topic hour is
just waking up. I guess it's doctor Bruke, Doctor Bruk,
Do you have any advice to some of our family
members that took the shot?

Speaker 6 (14:41):
You know?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And they you know that, you know, because like they
believed that it was going to help them, and some
of them are coming down with all kinds of lean say,
some of them even had COVID after taking the shot.
Is there anywhere you can dilute whatever they put in
your body? Is the way you can you know, sweat
it out, drink it out, peed out, Is you can
get rid of it or just stain your body all

(15:03):
the time.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
Well, you know, the I consider this probably one of
the most damaging moves and I could I put it
up at the level of a of a military. This
is this is biological warfare and and there is not

(15:26):
It's not going to be made easy for us to
remove this from our bodies. And if you look at
the statistics on the on the on the morbidity associated
with those of us who have taken this vaccine, it
would it was it would really shock you. You know,
more people are dying across the globe actually from the

(15:49):
side effects of that vaccine, and many people they don't
give you the stats on it, but they talk about
how people died within three days of taking the son
who are perfectly healthy otherwise. But how do you clean
it out of your system? So you eat healthy, you
boost up your immune system, you know, because your immune
system is intelligent enough to recognize that there's something inside

(16:11):
of us that's wrong. Let's make it right. And there
are other systemic enzymes that one can take. There are
other protocols that you see floating on the internet that
are being used to remove the spike protein removed.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
The sure hold out doing right there, Doc, We got
to take a quick break and when we come back,
I let you finish your story and also tell us
about vitamin D because you say that's part of the problem.
We lack vitamin D. I thought we got that from Sunshine,
but maybe you can explain it better than I can. Family,
just waking up again. I guess it's doctor Brookie is
a holistic doctor also a restaurant tour in the DMV.
You got a question of health question, reach out to

(16:52):
us at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take you phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
See family, thanks for waking up with this on this
Monday morning here the first day of September. I guess
there is a holistic doctor and the restaurant tour doctor Baroke.
And before we left, Doctor Brooke was telling us how
to we need to boost our immune system because COVID
is coming around again. Also, it's going to explain to
us about vitamin D since that's that's something that we need.
I thought we got it just from Sunshine. So doctor

(17:49):
brook how did you finish your thought?

Speaker 6 (17:50):
Go ahead, sir, yeah, okay, So back to COVID. I
think it's important that we understand the origin of this
illness and and it's again the impact that it has
had on the United States in particular, but our community,
our community was devastated by COVID in very similar ways

(18:11):
to how the flu devastates our community. So this was
not some new, necessarily new phenomenon for us to be
dying from the flu. We die from the flu every
year because of our health reality. Again, I talked about comorbidity.
So the focus for us needs to be on maintaining
our health and wellness every day all day. I was

(18:33):
just speaking at a church, and thank you to Henry P.
Davis and for inviting revenue, Henry P. Davis for inviting
me in to speak, and now a prayer meeting, and
I shared some things with our community that you know,
first off, if it's not healthy, it's not food. Since
when does you know? We don't if it's not gasoline

(18:55):
just because it's a liquid. If it's not gasoline, we
don't put it in our car. You know, if it's
if it's even if you know, if it is gasoline,
if it's low grade, low quality gasoline, we don't put
it in our Bentity or our Mercedes Benz or you know,
our high end Lexus. We don't do that because we

(19:16):
value the.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Product.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
We value our vehicle and that's I think that's where
we find the core issue of affecting our community. Why
are we so sick, Why are we so willing to
consume that which we know and everybody else knows is unhealthy?
It is because of how we feel about ourselves. So,
you know, I think through this season, especially entering into now,

(19:40):
it's getting a little chillier our tide. You know, we
we ought to be really conscious about first off, being healthy,
getting healthy and h and feeling better about ourselves so
that this journey won't be so difficult. So this COVID
reality of detoxing the body is one a mental detoxification

(20:01):
stop depending on a system and a government that has
demonstrated without fail and without error all the way back
even before the Tuskegee experiment, has demonstrated that it doesn't
have our best interest at heart. And you know, and
on top of that, let's let's now work on detoxing
the physical body by eating as healthy as we possibly can.

(20:25):
There's a reason why they need to continue to boost
you you know, you boost their boosting, their boosting, their boosting,
so that you know they can achieve their biological goal.
And you would think that biological goal is to make
you healthy. Now, the biological goal for the pharmaceutical drug
industry is to make you a customer. That's their goal.

(20:47):
That's why at the end of that year is the
twenty twenty one, they bragged and boasted about their income.
That was what their there wasn't it wasn't bragging and
boasting about how the the vaccine had necessarily saved lives.
We all know you said it's yourself that people who
had the vaccine still got COVID. So what are we

(21:07):
taking the vaccine for again again because the marketing has
gone out and convinced us that well, they fared better
if they had the vaccine. No, they were people who
many people, a whole lot of people who died from
COVID who had the vaccine.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
But let me jump in here for a second. Dog,
let me jump in for a second. Does that help
the cause? Because next time, if there was another virus
that comes down, that really does a vaccine can help?
People are going to be very skeptical whether or not
they should take it. So does that work against them?

Speaker 6 (21:39):
I think they should be skeptical. I think they're pharmaceutical
and Maderna and the Pizer and the other companies that
are out there, we need to be suspicious of them.
And we need not just and we need to be
suspicious of NIH, we need to be suspicious of you know,
our national health organizations in the United States of America,

(22:03):
because the the the results that we're getting as a
community are not good. Now, let me let'sten, let's do
a comparison.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
We we if we went over to and.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
I'm not saying anybody should ever listen to, you know,
the conservative white radio stations, but if you listen to
conservative white radio stations, they're saying PROUTI needs to go
to jail, Gates needs to go to jail. And this, this,
this whole, this whole series of vaccines need to be pulled. Meanwhile,
in the black community, you should hear the advertisements going

(22:37):
on in the radio stations. And I understand why because
they've come with those dollars. Those advertising dollars is what's
keeping these radio stations alive. So they come and they say, hey,
we're going to give you this whole boatload of money.
We just need you to advertise and tell everybody in
your community this is a good thing. At the same time,
brother Carl, you're listening to other radio stations talking to

(22:58):
other communities of people saying, you know, that's it, it's done.
We need to pull this off the off the shelf.
We need to stop administering this to our people, you know.
So I think we we have to understand that again, racism.
We have to understand that oppression of a people and
the desire to eliminate us off of the planet is

(23:19):
still active and well. And nobody is nobody in those
big corporate houses, those those high you know, big buildings
in downtown Chicago, New York and LA. You know, none
of those people are looking out for our best interests.
They're looking out for the best interests of their bottom
line and their children's future. So when they advertise to us,

(23:43):
we have to always, you know, look behind the scenes
and make sure it's not you know, smoking mirrors. Make
sure there's reality to what it is that they're sharing.
So again what I say, strengthen your immune system. Eat
as healthy as you can. If it's not healthy, don't
eat it, it's not food. And then and if you
don't know what's healthy and not healthy, then you need

(24:03):
to come to me and talk to me.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I can tell you what it is and twenty said,
hold thought right there, doctor Buruke, twenty seven away family
from the from the top of out and I guess
this is doctor doctor Breuke. Doctor bruk is holistic doctors
a restaurant tour in the in the DMV era. But
doctor Brooke, you mentioned strength in the immune system. Can
you get real deeper on that? How can we strengthen

(24:25):
our immune system?

Speaker 6 (24:29):
Well, the first thing that we can do is, let's
let's go back to the origins of our existence as
a as a personal, as a you know, and and
being birthed into this world. The first thing is be
vas only burst because we can't control that our parents,
do you know? Vaginal birth is going to give you

(24:50):
an immune system support that you otherwise wouldn't get, you know.
So now it's becoming cheek for some women to choose
c section because it doesn't maybe disfigure or damage their
body in the same way it does damage their body,
but not in the way that you know, maybe message
up their figure so supposedly. But on top of that, breastfeed.

(25:15):
Breastfeed the babies. The babies need to be breastfait, especially
at the beginning of life when they're getting that colostrum,
they're getting the healthiest milk and the healthiest immune system support,
which is not just you know, protecting them from illness,
but it's a whole conversation that is taking place between
the mother and child making sure that that child is

(25:36):
getting all that it needs. When the saliva is on
the nipple of the mother's breath, the saliva is communicating
back to the breast the deficiencies of the child and
what the child is going through, so that the mother
body can continue to support wellness inside of that child. Then,
you know, we have to understand the importance of just

(25:57):
proper nutrition for our children's Let's get our children eating
healthy at the beginning of life so we don't have
to try to convert them and their teams to understanding
why it's important that they eat healthy. If we understood
the relationship between healthy eating and academic performance, we will
work a lot harder to make sure that they're eating

(26:18):
healthy so that they perform better academically. But it's not
just academically, it's emotionally, it's you know, it's mentally, it's
the the whole, the whole psyche, the whole spiritual, and
the whole mindset is elevated when you eat high vibrational foods.
So those things are very critical for us. And then

(26:39):
as we as we move forward understanding that our uh,
you know, you talked about it earlier about you know, us,
you know, just rolling up our seas and being vaccinating
and letting our children be vaccinated, even after the CDC
and other research organizations have come along and said the
African American males have been more negatively affected by this

(27:02):
harm from vaccine and that's just the standard vaccine schedule
that a child has, that they've been harmed more than
any other child in America. If that's the case. As
African American parents, you know, we can't just close our
eyes and act like, Okay, that's not important to us.
That's extremely important to us. And continuing to build our

(27:25):
immune system is you know, is again taking the proper
supplements our food. Our foods have been damaged, the food
production has been damaged. So what you know, the broccoli
that grandma ate twenty excuse me, one hundred years ago,
the broccoli that grandma ate, it's not the broccoli that
you're eating. It looks the same, it might even taste

(27:46):
the same. You know, but it's not the same. We
all know that tomato for those of us who remember
what a tomato used to taste like for real, and
now what we're eating today, we know the taste has changed,
we know the texture has changed. It's not the same food.
Our food supply has been damaged. Again. I think it's
a bio weapon, you know. I know that's scary because

(28:07):
oh there's a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, conspiracy theorists are conspiracy
theorists until finally you realize that what they were saying
is the truth. And then all of a sudden, it's like, man,
I wish I had a you know. So today we
look up and we need to be empowering our community
and working to build our community. And one of the
ways that we do is build ourselves. So, you know,
the immune system is the is the best protection against

(28:31):
any ailment in the body. So the best thing for
us to do if COVID is coming, if the new
COVID is coming, it's the old COVID is coming. It
strengthen our immune system because there's no better doctor than
our immune system. And building it up and increasing its
intelligence and increasing its power is what we need to
be doing. And you said it earlier that we need

(28:52):
to get more sunlight. Sure we do, but I understand
that we're the only creature on the planet that wears
coats and hats and and jackets and shirts and pants
and shoes. No other creature wears those things. So we
automatically impact the negatively impact the sun's benefit to us

(29:14):
because we're covering up our body. In addition to that,
we're electromagnetic beings, and we walk with shoes on, and
we don't ever connect with the Earth. And the Earth
is our mother. The Earth is alive. The Earth is
communicating information to us and getting information from us. When
my grandmother used to have a garden, she would spit
in the garden as she was tilling the soil. And

(29:36):
she told me, and I thought it was I would
watch her do it. I say, why are you spitting
in the garden like.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
You do it on purpose?

Speaker 6 (29:41):
I don't see you spitting any other time. She said
she would spit in the garden much in the same
way that a child's alive and communicates with their mother.
She would spit in the garden to tell the garden
what she is deficient of and what she needs. In
her diet then, and when she planted her seat, that
was the tradition, that was the understanding, is that the

(30:03):
food that was produced out of that garden would give
her more of what it is that she needs. So again,
this whole immune system support. If we're not walking around
with no clothes on, which of course we can't do
that in today's world, and we're not getting sufficient sunlight
to the body. Now we're black folk, we're darker complex
the people. We're more melanated than anybody else. The malona

(30:26):
sites ours in our skin is preventing the levels of
rebserption of vitamin D that other people are getting. So
we have to supplement. We have to supplement our diet
in order to build up our immune system. There's a
European doctor, his name slips me at the moment, but

(30:46):
he before he sees a client, no matter what their
sickness is, seven days before he sees the client, he
puts them on high dose vitamin D and finds that
most times by the time they get to him, they're well.
And so that was his book. I think it was
something like seven Days to wellness or healing. And this
is a guy to Germany so you look at what's

(31:09):
going on around us, and the message is there. We
need to take charge of our health. We need to
disconnect from systems that don't benefit for us. You know,
I own a plant based soul for restaurant, brother carl and,
and I would think in a community where the health
is as bad as it is at ours, that that

(31:30):
people would be lined up the night before like a
Beyonce concert, so that, man, we could get what it
is that we need in order to live longer, have
a better quality of life, look better, feel better, love better,
and have more energy. That's what our business is about.
That's what we do every day. And you would think
that we would be more motivated to do that. But

(31:51):
the reason why it's not that way is because of
how we feel about ourselves and that plays a role
in our immune system. To how you feel impacts your balance,
your energy level, your immune system, and how your immune
system benefits you. Yeah, it affects all of us. You know.
The person who is is suffering with an illness that

(32:14):
does not get somebody coming around them telling them, oh,
you look better, you look great, You're wonderful. You know,
you're such an intelligent person and lists them up, lists
them up. You know, no different than talking to that
plant in your house, the plant that you say positive
things to as compared to the plants that you say
negative things to. That goes back to doctor Emoto out
of Japan and the research that he did that if

(32:36):
we put positive energy into our community, into our people,
into ourselves, then we are more inclined to benefit from
what it is that we're taking in. There was research
in Boston University where they talked about the consciousness level
of the consumer can impact the nutritional benefit of the

(32:56):
food that the consumer is getting. So what they were
saying is that a conscious and and and the individual
who had high self worth when they ate the same
meal that somebody else ate who didn't have high self
worth and was not as conscious and aware of what
it is that they were doing when they were in
uh ingesting this food, that they benefited more. We have

(33:22):
to look at self first, We have to look at
our energy, We have to look at our love of
self and uh and and start doing better and that
all of that is going to support building up our
immune system even before the supplement.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, we come up on a break, you know. Dick
Gregory used to always say health is wealth, and you know,
later on I got to understand what he really meant
when he said that health is wealth and health is
is wealth. Another person that the late doctor Renoko Rashidi
said we are people of the sun, were supposed to
live closer to the equator just as part of our problem.
I did not know he was connected to vitamin D.

(33:56):
That's what he was implying when he said that. But listen,
we got to get caught up in the news, traffic
and weather or not at different cities. When we come
back though, it's a holiday for some folks and they're
going to be out of the cookouts. So help us
out what kind of you know, what kind of traditional
meals and alternatives that you can come up to help
us out with twenty three away from the top of
the family. You got questions about health, about meals, speak
to Dr Barok reaching An eight hundred and four or

(34:18):
five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll take you phone calls.
After trafficking news this it now back to the Carl
Nelson Show and Grand Rising family. Thanks for waking up

(34:50):
with us on this Monday morning. As if we ease
into the fall months. It's the first of September. I
guess is a holistic doctor and a restaurant tour dtor Barok.
You got a question about money, money, pardon me, you've
got a question about health or food. This is the
man you need to talk to. Eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seven six will get you in.
Before we do that, let me just remind you come up.

(35:10):
Later this morning, we're going to hear from Contracosta College
professor Manu i and pin Many specializes in Africana studies.
By the way, as I mentioned, he was a person
who discovered that the Willy Lynch letter was a fake
and people are still going around right now quoting the
will of Lynch letter. He was wanted to discover that
it was a fake. He'll be with you before we
hear from though Ganbay brother singer but by A will

(35:31):
join us. And later this week you're going to hear
from medical doctor and grill doctor Charles Finch will be here. Also,
Professor Ganakolagoki from Lincoln University will join us, and Grio
Baba Lamba from a Moja house in Washington, DC will
also step by. Stop by, so if you are in
baltimore'll make sure you radio is locked in tied on
ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV family,
we're on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen

(35:53):
fifty WL. All right, doctor Breugs, speak to the brothers
and sisters around in the kitchen right now preparing for
their barbecue. It's like it's the last outdoor event for
the year for many of them when it comes to
barbecuing and they're getting ready. What's some of the things
they should be working with, because you know, the traditional
American diet doesn't seem like it works for us. Many
of us are so addicted to white we just do

(36:15):
it because that's what our grandparents did, That's what their
parents did, all copying what white folks did. What should
the conscious black people be doing this if they wanted
to get involved in a cookout today?

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Right? Well, I think it's really important that we understand
what I said earlier, That is, if it's not healthy,
it's not food. Doesn't matter how good it tastes. It
doesn't matter how readily available it is to us, or
how much the people in our community typically consume it.
None of those things matter, or how inexpensive, it is.
None of those things matter. What matters is if it's

(36:49):
not healthy, it's not food. So that needs to be
the driving force and needs to be the underlying, you know, affirmation.
That's if it's not healthy, it's not food. I don't
care how much you pray over some fried chicken, it's
going to impact your health negatively. And I don't care
how much you pray over some hogmogs and some pig

(37:09):
knuckles and and you know, all the rest of that
stuff that we eat, I don't even remember the names
of it. That if you're eating that which is detrimental
to your health and then blasphemously going to a table
and praying over it to ask that it be nourishing

(37:29):
to your body, that's you know, it's no wonder what's
sick because we really believe that you can eat that
which is toxic and make it healthy just by doing that.
And that's is not working for us, and it will
not work for us. Brother, Karla want to talk about
the about the meal today, but I want to go
back to something that you said that I think needs

(37:50):
to be modified a little bit, and that is you said,
your health is your wealth. I disagree. I disagree because
your health is everything, brother, Kaarl, it is every single thing.
And you realize that when you lose it, when you
lose your health, then you're you're left, you know, with nothing.
Nothing else is as critical as your health. So we

(38:12):
need to now understand every time we open up our
mouths to consume something, every time we open up our
ears and our eyes to consume every the people that
we hang around, all of that we're consuming. Every time
we open ourselves up to consume something, it always needs
to be the best something. And when we when we
function in that mindset state and we and we make

(38:35):
that critical for us, we get much better results. You know,
what goes in is what comes out. If you put
better in, you're going to get better out. And we
have to we have to recognize that in our community,
what is what is what is most prevalent in our community?
Are these bad for you food restaurants and UH and

(38:56):
advertisement and marketing for companies and products that are not
benefiting our community. And we got to stop. We got
to stop and recognize that. You know this isn't by
mistake but by design. You know, you can literally leave
our community. You can leave Southeast DC and go to Potomac, Maryland,
and you don't see the same bad for you food restaurants.

(39:20):
There's an agenda there. It's not just because that seemingly
is what we like. No, that's what seemingly and not seemingly,
that is what is being presented to us as a
viable food option. But it's not a viable food option
at all. It's actually poisoned, poisoning our community.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Let me jump in here for a second, Doc, and
I ask you this question though. Let me ask you
just you're turning about restaurants in and areas at fourteen
away from the top day our foundly by the way,
just waking up. I guess it's doctor Brook. He's a
holistic doctor. In the restaurant tour, Doctor Brook. We don't
see Chinese restaurants in white neighborhoods. We rarely see them
in white neighbors. We see them in our neighbors who
or in the commercial districts, but we never see them

(39:58):
in white neighbors.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Why not, Well, I think you.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Have to go back into the history of what America
did with China back in the forties and fifties, and
the Chinese immigrants that were coming over. They were they
were given support from the United States government to open
up these bad for you food restaurants. And you know, you,
you know, we've all said it. When you go to

(40:23):
a Chinese restaurant and you see what they're eating, they're
not eating what we are eating or what they're feeding us.
When you go to China and you ask for the
stuff that they that you typically get at a Chinese restaurant,
they say, oh no, no, no, no, no, that's only
what we send to you all in America. We don't
eat that crap over here, you know. So it is.
But there's a dying tradition that we're seeing in the

(40:45):
Chinese restaurant space. That is, most of the grandparents and
parents who were given the funding and support by the
United States government to open up these institutions are now saying, no,
I don't want anymore that I'd rather be an it professional.
And you're seeing that Chinese restaurants are beginning to go away.

(41:06):
So the negative impact that they've had because you know,
we we for many years we thought, well, eating the
Chinese food was like the next step to being healthy.
You know, let's stop eating fast food, let's go on
to eating Chinese food or some of these other ethnic foods. Now, no, no, no,
you know they don't have our best interests at hard.

(41:27):
They put MSG in everything because MSG is addictive, you
know how you know eating that Chinese food, I remember
when I used to do it. Man, you just couldn't
get enough, you know you. And not only could you
not get enough in that after you ate some you
wanted to go by, go back and buy some more.
But even as you ate it, as it hits your tongue,
you were loading up the fork for the networkful because

(41:49):
it was just that good. It's been made addictive to us.
But that which you know again makes it addictive, just
happens to be very damaging to our health.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
And talk about that though, doctor, is it the taste?
How does that because you say it's so great, it
tastes great, you know, the food that's not good for us,
it tastes it tastes so good man. And the stuff
some of the stuff that we you know, that we
that you say that we should eat, we have problems
adjusting our taste buds to it. How do we how
do we rectify that?

Speaker 6 (42:25):
Well, we have to, we have to work on it.
In our in our younger years. We have to work
on it with our youth, and we of course have
to be the leaders of our youth. So we have
to work on it ourselves before we can really you know,
impact them, because they're not going to go for it.
If you over there eating fried chicken, but you know,
soaked the barbecue sauce or or ketchup or whatever it
is that you might be drinking, a drinking a soda

(42:47):
that's full of acid, that could that could melt the
the corrosion on a battery. If that's what you're consuming,
then they're gonna want what you want. So we have
to move first, we have to take the lead. We
have to go up front and be the pioneers of
the family, you know, and much in the same way
that I did, and say no, this is not acceptable,
we can't do it. And then those that come behind us,

(43:10):
we have to lay out for them a plan. It
can't be you know that I don't know, just don't
eat that. No, that's not going to work. And it
can't be that you just use your only the only
tool that you would use is that you would just
beat this bad diet up. All we're going to do
is talk bad about the bad diet. No, you have
to begin to give people a light. You have to
shine a light on the pathway to eating healthier. And

(43:34):
you know, eating healthier is kind of we've lost our
way in that space because some of us think that,
you know, as long as it's a vegetable, it's healthy.
As long as it's not meat, it's not healthy. I mean,
it's healthy. As long as it's not red meat or
port it's healthy. Now, you know, there's a lot it's
the space I would say is shrinking as far as

(43:55):
availability in our community. The availability availability of health food
in our community is shrinking. And you know the availability
of healthy food in America is shrinking too. You know.
But what we have to do is we have to
put people on a path very early on in life
and let folk know that just eating for the taste,
the benefit of the taste, or a budget, or what

(44:18):
your culture is accustomed to, or what's convenient to you,
that's not what we should you know, how we should
you know, be driven or motivated to consume what you
know we consume. We should consume based on that adage
that I said at the beginning. If it's not healthy.
It's not food. That needs to be the first and
number one requirement. It has to be healthy in order

(44:40):
for it to be food. It has to be healthy
for me to consume it. And if it's not healthy,
then it can't pass my lips. And when you get
to that level, you reduce obesity, you reduce all of
the chronic illnesses in our community. You see, people get healthier,
live longer, have a better quality of life. And that's

(45:00):
that's that's really what that's really the power. You know,
the wealth you talked about, Health is wealth. Wealth is
long jelly. You know, if we lived longer, we would
we would have more wealth, Believe it or not, you know,
and it's, uh, you know, it's it's a work that
we have to do on ourselves first. You know, we
have to do the work on ourselves and in our

(45:21):
communities first. Again, you know, we talked about earlier the
restaurants in our community for the CARL. There's no reason
why our community should be supporting restaurants that we know
are contributing to chronic illness. It just does makes sense.
It's it's kind of intuitive. It does not make any
sense that we as a community of all communities are

(45:44):
still the number one consumers of a diet that contributes
to chronic illness.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Well, let me tell me here ate away from the
top that with doctor brook family just waking up doctor
doctor Bruke. But many of us don't know that. We
don't know what's good for us and what's not good
for because again, what goes through it's generational thing. And
all of a sudden, if you're going to cookout today
with Grandma and you decide you don't want those ribs
that she's putting on that potato salad that's laced with

(46:11):
eggs and mayonnaise, and they're going to look look at
you sort of side eye. What do you say to
folks who are going to experience that this morning, lady today,
The lack.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
Of knowledge does not protect you. Ignorance does not protect you.
Just because you don't know does not provide you any
level of protection. So what has to happen, Brother Carl,
is stations like WL and your program need to continue
doing the great work that you're doing and educating us.
You're bringing the natural paths and even some of the

(46:45):
medical doctors that are integrating more natural solutions into their practice.
You're bringing us onto the air so that we can
tell the story, so we can right the wrong, so
that we can inspire people and encourage people, and show
people again shining that light on the path, show people
how they can get from where they are darkness into
the light. And you know, other than that, what we're

(47:08):
doing at the family level, we have to make it
a priority. You know, your health is more important than
your nails, your hair, you know, and whatever else we
consider and your and your pocketbook or your or your
or your boots you're wearing, or the rims on your
on your vehicle. It's more important. And there's a way
that you can do that, you can make that you

(47:29):
can ingrain that into our children and such that you
make that important to them. But if you don't do that,
and if the school systems are not doing that making
students understand they can control their health outcome. But if
we don't make them understand that, if we make them
think that they're just innocent victims of whatever their mother, father, sister, brother, auntie, uncle, neighbor,

(47:51):
dog was suffering from. That's why I got diabetes, then
you know they're going to continue down that same path
and they're going to willfully take the pharmaceutical solution, which
you know, many of them. The side effects, the deleterious
side effects are worse than the problem itself.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, but doc, what do you say to grandma when
she says, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 5 (48:13):
Boy?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
You've been You grew up on these hammocks and these ribs.
I made all these ribs and potato salad, and you
used to love it, and all of a sudden, now
you say it's bad for you. It's bad. Look at me,
I'm healthy. Love of your grandparents, we lived and we
in our nineties. Da da da da dada. You know
the drill. So what's what would be the person's response?

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Grandma, grandmothers and grandfathers used to live to their nineties
back in the seventies and eighties. They're not. They're not
as many living that long now, So that that you're
less likely to get a grandma talking like that like
we used to hear when we were children. We're just uneducated,
brother Carlin. We got to educate them. We gotta we

(48:53):
gotta make them know. So you gotta make grandma know.
You got to show her about four or five videos
that are out there that are are really good. One
of them is written or done by a brother. I
don't you know. It's the title of it is They're
trying to kill us, And I would modify his title
by saying they are killing us. They're not trying to
they're being successful at it.

Speaker 8 (49:15):
And he.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
Produced it, and it shows and exposes what they're doing, specifically,
they being the system, the government, the pharmaceuticals, the big
the big agri companies, what they're doing to destroy our health.
So you have to educate them, and sometimes you got
to use, you know, people that don't look like us
to educate us. So there are a number of videos
that out there produced by people that don't look like us,

(49:40):
so that our community will then see the Oh okay,
it must be the truth because they said it. But
it's a campaign being waged against our community to destroy
our health. It's far worse than police brutality and mass
incarceration and all the other negatives that we have in
our community. The worst negative we have is our poor health.

(50:02):
And we got to turn it around. So today you
asked about what do we do on Labor Day when
everybody's out, you know, celebrating, I just asked that you
step it up. You know, no, don't go to don't
go to the cookout, and and and just totally you know,
bash everything that is. They just step it up. If
you if you're eating pork, beef and chicken, then maybe
just decide, Okay, you know, for this month, I'm gonna

(50:24):
I'm gonna not eat pork. Well, I'm gonna I've already
stopped eating porks, I'm gonna not eat I'm not I'm
gonna not eat fried chicken. You know, I'm gonna not
eat beef. And when you step it up and you
see the results that you have. And specifically the reason
why I was at this church, we were talking about
the Daniel Fast. And every single time I go into

(50:44):
a church to talk to them about the Daniel Fast
and give them the parameters and tell them what they
need to eat and what they don't need to eat.
At the end of that Daniel Fast, people are screaming
and hollering and throwing away their canes and talking about
that and and dumping their pharmaceutical drugs in the trash,
talking about how good they feel, how much energy they have,
and how this has been such a great thing. But

(51:05):
the ironic thing, Brother Carl is every time I do this,
there's somebody that stands up and says, I can't wait
to get a piece of fried chicken.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Wow, we pull that thought right there. Let's say with
that comment right then, I'll let you expound on it
when we get back. Well, we got to take the
traffic and weather in our different cities. It's two minutes
away from the top of our found in factually waking
up with us on this Monday morning without guest holistic
doctor and restaurant our doctor Baru. You'd like to speak
to him eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls after
the traffic and weather. That's next.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
With the Most Submissive The Carl Nelson Show with the Most.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Submissive and Grandizing Family. Thanks for waking up with us

(52:10):
on this Monday morning. Starting a brand new month is
September one, unofficially the sort of fall, if you will,
and speaking with doctor Brooke. Doctor Brook is a holistic
doctor and also arrestaur on tour and doctor Brook, I'll
let you finish your thought first and tell us with
some alternatives, because you know we've been telling folks want
not to eat, but we also come up with a solution.
When you're telling them what not to, you've got to

(52:31):
figure a way how to replace what you're taking away
from them. So I'll let you finish your thought and
then help us out with that aspect.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
Yeah. You know, when people think about eating healthy or
when they think about eating plant based, which plant based
across the board is not healthy, and I think we
need to we also need to acknowledge that that there
are some plant based foods that are just not healthy.
You know, there's a lot of stuff out there that
doesn't have animal meat or animal blood or animal byproducts

(53:01):
in it that is not healthy. So don't just think
that not eating meat is the solution. No, you got
to eat what I suggest is plant based healthy. And
so we go back to eating a diet that is
probably we went back over one hundred to two hundred years,
and we went back to a time before we were

(53:22):
consuming the standard soul food diet that was given to
us by you know, those who enslaved us, giving us
the scraps, the worst of the worst of what was
left over. You know, I think we begin to chart
a new course for our health if we if we
begin to eat more fruits, nuts, grains, and vegetables you know,

(53:46):
as healthy that you as you can afford and have
access to. I think you get you get a much
better result with regard to your health. And it doesn't
take long because we eat so bad and because you
know it's now impacting our health in such a negative
way that you can start eating healthy and within a
couple of days, see the impact that it's having on

(54:08):
your health. See the impact that it's having on the
swelling in your ankles and the shortness of breath, and
the inflammation and your knees and your wrists and fingers.
You know, you can get all of that and just
a couple of days of eating healthy. And what does
eating healthy look like again? It goes back to eating
and properly seasoning. Because that's why we took healthy food
and infused it with soul. Because we wanted to attract

(54:32):
your customer, brother, Karl, your audiences who were looking to attract.
So we knew that if we took healthy food and
infused in soul, that we would attract them and they
would come, you know, and can give greater consideration to
eating this way. Now, most times you go to a restaurant,
they offer you plant based options. So this whole notion
that we don't eat plant based, or we don't eat vegan,

(54:54):
or we don't eat you know the way that you do.

Speaker 9 (54:56):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
You just think that you know, when you when you
eat meat that now everything has to or or you're
you're strictly a carnivore. No, you're not. You're not a carnivore.
You you do eat vegetables on your plate, so you're
you're more of an herbal bore. You're you're not a herbivore,
but you're you're you're you know, you're a blend of
the two. And uh, you're eating the an omnivore. That's

(55:22):
what I wanted to say. So you're you're eating vegetables
and you're eating the flesh are an animal. But so
for those people who want to know what alternatives there
are that out there, almost everything that you eat that
is that is bad for you can be made good
for you. You know where they're they're there are foods
that can mimic the taste and texture and and smell

(55:45):
of what it is that you're eating, whether it's chicken, beef, pork,
you know, fish, even you know, we do it at
our restaurant every single day that we take what our
people are accustomed to eating and make it out of
another product. We're making products out of my shoes. Now,
we're making products out of chick peas that people are saying, Wow,
you know, it tastes just like what I used to eat,

(56:07):
and I'm not missing anything. I could do this if
I could eat like this every day, and we know
it's doable, and we know that our people there's a
pathway that our people can take to get out of it.
But it's going to have to be you know, there's
gonna have to be a little bit of camouflage, which
again is what we're doing by infusing soul into the
healthy food. You know, and we have different tears of

(56:30):
diet and nutrition in our restaurant in the sense that
we don't just bring you in and give you just
the mac and cheese, collar greens and the chicken or
the the what is probably either tofu or gluten version
of the meat diet that you just left. We don't
leave you there, No, we take you all the way
up to the point where you're consuming organic fresh pressed

(56:52):
apple juice. Excuse me, or fresh pressed organic juices. So
you have these organic juices that you can consume that
we know have higher vibrational energy level and also i'm
more beneficial to the body. So we bring you in
at a level where you can relate. You can relate
to the name, the taste, the texture, the smell. You know,

(57:12):
you relate to all of that when you come in
and you want pride chick and barbecue tofu or barbecue ribs,
and you want some mac and cheese and colar green.
So we meet you down there, but we give you
these steps. And that's why I think it's important that
you know, people take a step up. They don't just
try to tackle it all at once because it's tough
out here. Just step up every month, every week, you know,

(57:32):
just step up. And as you step up and you
eliminate something that you know is not good for you,
well you won't get the negative impact of the not
good for you food that you were consuming.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
And let me just share this with you. That's what
I do. You know, become a vegetarian vegan the meat
dropped the meat first, and then the fish and then
and then after that it was in shrimps, you know,
and then somebody tell me those are the sea cock
coach you say, I say, oh wow, that's got to go.
And so that's that's how I did it, you know,
just getting away from eating meat. But I know some

(58:06):
I've got some friends who eat fish only they don't
eat red meat or any kind of meat, but they
don't eat fish, and they think that's a that's a
healthy alternative and really giving up red meat. What say you?

Speaker 6 (58:18):
Right, Well, for those of us who understand karma, then
you would understand that that that's probably not the best
solution either. You know, for all the reasons that you
didn't eat beef, chicken, and port, you know, you could
you could apply that to fish as well. And understanding
that now with the uh and let's let's let's deal

(58:42):
with the geography for a minute. You know, geographically, we
have access to other foods. You know, we have access
to to a lot of plant based foods here. There's
some cultures in some places in the world where they
don't have as much access. And I'm not telling people
to just okay, if you don't have access to what
it is that I'm suggesting that you eat, then you
just check out. Now you do have to eat within

(59:06):
reason of what is available to you. So if you're
living in Alaska, there's a good chance you're probably going
to be eating you know, more more seafood or seafood
period as compared to you know, you're not growing a
garden in your backyard with you know, twenty feet of
ice and snow in their backyard. It's not going to happen.
So we do have to be reasonable. Maybe maybe the

(59:27):
being reasonable part is you don't live in Alaska, you know,
because it's just not conducive to eating healthy or the healthiest.
But with regard to fish, I just think that we're
getting now the negative reports on the impact that fish
is having on us, you know, from the mercury to
all the chemicals and all the plastics floating in the

(59:49):
water and getting into the fish and uh and now
we're consuming that. We need to you know, the writing
is on the world, the information is there that it
is it is out the best thing for us. We
need to separate from it, you know. Not to mention
I talked about karma earlier, that the animals suffer, and
the animals are slaughtered and treated like crap. They don't

(01:00:12):
treat them good. You know, because they don't care anything
about that the suffering of that fish, you know, and
and there we are, we're consuming it afterwards. And that karma,
you know, no different than the karma that Grandma talked
about when Auntie came in the kitchen with an attitude
and was going to fix dinner and Grandma said, no, oh,
no you're not. You're not about to fix dinner in
this house. But karma is real. And again we're talking

(01:00:36):
about energy and when you when you provide the body
with the proper energy and the proper love and support
for a healthy body, you get the results.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
So that doctor doctor B I got to ask you
this because this is what doctor B was saying eleven
minutes half the top of our family just joining us.
Our guess is doctor Baruk. Doctor Bruce's the holistic doctor
and also a restaurant tour in the DMV. Doctor B
told us that once they when the animals are slaughter,
whether it be the cow, the chicken, whatever, the pig,
there's some sort of endorphin or something that they emit

(01:01:12):
that that we ingest when we eat them. Is this something?
Is doctor b was, Is he on the right track
here when he's saying that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
Yeah, yeah, you you you, you take all of that in,
you know, you take all of that in. When that
that animals releasing adrenaline to try to stay alive, well,
that adrenaline gets right into your bloodstream, your body. It
communicates with your body. It might not communicate with your tongue,
but it communicates with your body and increases your blood brain,

(01:01:46):
increases the cortisol levels inside of your body because now
you're in fight or flight mode. Now you might not
recognize that you're there because you just ate a meal,
but all of a sudden, your body is seeing that
where our life is being threatened, and that's why there's
so much quartosol, you know, in the blood stream, and
world quartosong gets released released into the blood string, you know.

(01:02:07):
So it's it's a process, you know. I would say,
brother Carl, before we go beating the people up who
have who've reduced their diet down to just eating fish,
let's celebrate the fact that they're not eating pork, beef, chicken.
You know, great, let's we celebrate you. But I just
if that's where you are, just step it up. You know.
Maybe your version of step it up is don't eat

(01:02:29):
the bottom feeders. Let's not eat the crabs, the lobsters
and the shrimp, you know, for the month, for the week,
you know, however you want to or for the day,
for today, as everybody's going out and eating stuff, let's
just step it up to the next level. And and
and show your body, show yourself that you love yourself.
You know, to deny your tongue. Your tongue should not

(01:02:49):
dictate to your heart, liver, kidney spleen, lungs, brain, reproductive organs,
your heart. Your tongue should not dictate to them what
they're going to suffer through just because it wants to
have a good time. That got that's not beneficial.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
So and that's interesting campaign.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Yeah thirteen at the top, they have family doctor Brooke,
Doctor Baroke. I've got friends too who they said they
were vegetarian or vegan for like six months and then
that smell, the fried chicken smell just just lured them
back in and they they relapsed. What they want to
know what what can they do to stop that relapse
because they want to try vegetarians in again. But that

(01:03:29):
smell that and I told them that I find a
smell personally, I find it offensive, But for them, it's
it's alluring for them to that's the smell of fried chicken.
How do they deal with that? When that smell it's
kind of like you know people who smoke weed. All
of a sudden they stop and then they smell some
wheed and all of a sudden they want to hear
the joint. How do they how do they deal with that? Doc?

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
Well, I think you you reard the nail on the head,
stay away from it first, because it is addictive. You know,
you you ride by, there's certain restaurants that you ride
by and see the smoke bellowing or the yeah, the
smoke bellowing out at the top of the of the building,
and that is just proliferating all throughout the community, all
throughout the area. And it's they they put what is

(01:04:13):
gonna cause you to be attracted to it in the
food and in that smoke, so that you're down the street,
you're hungry, you're about to go someplace else, but you
smell this other food. Nah, I'm going down now. I'm
gonna check that out today. So food is being made again,
go back to you know the addictive properties of food.
We we have to understand that the most abused product

(01:04:37):
in the United States of America is not cocaine. It's
not marijuana, it's not PCP, it's not all this other stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
It's food.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Yeah, and let me say, let me ask you this
a question fourteen after the top our family, just checking in.
I guess he's doctor Brug because I mentioned he's a
holistic doctor and also a restaurant. So do you when
you because both you do both. So when you see people,
if you don't know, if you go in into these stores,
these these other stores to buy food or you go
just see people, just do you analyze them or do

(01:05:07):
you see what? Do you look in at carts and
see what they what they purchased, and you look at
them that probably got big stomach or something down and
you can see the soda pop down there, you see
all this other stuff that they shouldn't be eating. Do
do you analyze them on spot? It's not a natural
thing for you to do that. I guess that's my question.

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
Oh yeah, especially you know when you're out in a
grocery store and you see somebody, you can see their
cart and you know, if we had a game show
and you say, you know, whose grocery card is this?
You know, you got people up against the wall. It's
very easy to identify whose card is who's because you
see the results. You know, the guy that's healthy, slim, trim,

(01:05:45):
looks fit, you know, smiling, happy, go lucky, you know,
looks like he's vibrant and full of life. You know,
he's probably eating the cart that has more vegetables in it,
you know. And the person that's you know, fat and
looks looks sick, flee and it's bent over and might
be in a wheelchair, well, we know they they're the
ones with all the process food and the and the

(01:06:08):
and the uh and the dead animal fleshing their car.
So you know, yeah, you look at people's cards. I
tell people when they're well. We sometimes have singles events
at the restaurant. I tell people, you know, it's a
great way to choose somebody. You know, you go around
as opposed to looking at how fine they look, look
at how fine they grocery cart looks if they grocery.

(01:06:29):
If the grocery cart doesn't look fine, what you eat
becomes you. You know, you are what you eat. So
if if you if you want somebody who's got better
health outcomes, and not to mention the health, but we
were talking about vitamin D earlier, and did you know
that a vitamin D deficiency will cause you to be

(01:06:49):
difficult to get along with if you having a problem
getting along with your wife, your husband, Clip them some
vitamin D in the morning, you know, give them some
you know some some put some liquid vitamin D in
his in whatever cereal or whatever breakfast food you're giving them.
But they need to magnesium to to open up this.
That's they work hand in hand for benefit, Dobney. Increase

(01:07:12):
their magnesium and vitement D levels and watch the impact
on their health, and watch the impact on their emotional health,
and watch the impact on your their relatability, how well
they do with interacting with you, how less stress they are.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
You know, so this and I thought right there because
that's one of the questions I was going to ask you, Well,
we got to step aside for a few months. Seventeen
minutes after Tati family is just waking up. Our guess
is doctor Baroki's a doctor. Barookie's a holistic doctor, is
also a restaurant tour I was going to ask you,
and I'll let you marinate this over the break. Uh,
can you live in a household where your significant o
it is still eating the pig and still eating you

(01:07:49):
know all the other stuff that you don't and you've
you've moved away from. How do you deal with that issue?
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
You want to talk about healthy? You want to talk
about food? Is some man who needs to speak to
His name is doctor Barok and we'll take your phone
calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for rolling with us on
this Monday morning here the first day of September, Labor
day for some folks. Some folks well waking up with us.
And our guest is doctor Beru. Doctor Baruch is a
natural pathic doctor is also a restaurant tour in the
DMV area. And doctor Baruch, I'll question to you, can
you be in the same household or in same relationship

(01:08:54):
with the person who's not on your level when it
comes to eating and usually and not all the time,
it breaks down of wokeness as well, because people who
aware are usually the ones who are eating eating what
they should be eating, and those who are still a
lost are still eating the traditional American diet and understand
that it doesn't work for us. So explain can that?

(01:09:16):
Can you coexist with a partner like that? Doc?

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
You can? Brother, But there's that expression, you know, two
cannot you know, be together unless they're evenly yoked. And
I think that that has to do with nutrition and
self worth and diet and fitness and wellness across the
board that we have to We have to understand that
if one person is eating a diet that's causing them

(01:09:42):
to be sick and going to lead to them being
in a wheelchair and getting a limb amputated, you know,
the person who's focusing theirselves on loving themselves and being
disciplined with what they eat is not necessarily going to
want to be the one that's wheeling them around in
a wheelchair listening to them talk about what I don't
understand why I got that, and I don't understand why
my you know, my leg got gang green and needed

(01:10:04):
to be cut off, and I don't understand why I
got arthritis, and I don't understand, as brothers out there
listening in an audience, I don't understand why you know,
you're so healthy, and I can't function as a man
anymore that I you know, I always need help or
I need to get some inplan or something done to
me so that I can function as a man. And

(01:10:24):
those those, you know, at some point you get tired
of it. At some point you give up and you say,
you know what I'm I'm not just I'm not just
looking for a person of my race. I'm not just
looking for a person who you know, who was in
my church. I'm not looking for a person who's in
my community, or who's at my education level or at
my financial level. I'm looking for somebody who wants to
live and have a better quality of life. You know, again,

(01:10:47):
I said to earlier that you know, our restaurant is
in business to give people a better quality of life,
a longer life, to look better, feel better, have more energy,
and love and love better. And you know, if if
you're not on that vibration, if you're not on that frequency,
then yeah, it will be difficult to live in a
house of people who are eating a bunch of crap

(01:11:09):
and you're eating healthy. For one thing, one of the
big issues that you run into is the people that
are eating the crap want to eat your food, but
you can't eat their food, so they want to eat
up the stuff that you bring in the house. They question, Oh,
let me tell you that. Let me see that when
you're not looking there in the refrigerator, you know, dipping
in your stuff, and you know you don't have to
wear with all to do that. So eventually you find yourself,

(01:11:29):
you know, not being welcomed there to the extent that
you feel like you know it might it might be
necessary for me to separate from your relationship, from your wife,
from your husband. You know, children separate from their parents
because it's just like I can't in a house where
you're crying, moaning and complaining every day about your health condition,
but you still eating this stuff is causing the condition.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Can't do it?

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
But why is you? So do difficult for them to
make that connection though.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
We do not love ourselves. And when you don't love yourself,
brother Carl, you don't care if you can think back
in your life at the times when you had a
bad when something bad happened to you, a family member died,
or you know, a girlfriend left you, or or you
know the number of things that could happen to cause
you to sink with regard to your self worth, and

(01:12:21):
you think about what you did right after I binge
drank for three days straight, and I was just drunk
for three days. But us, you're negatively impacting your health
for three days. And that's because you feel bad about yourself.
You know, maybe you think you could have done better,
but you feel bad about yourself to the extent that
you want to shorten your life and ruin your quality

(01:12:42):
of life. You know, that's just self hatred, that's you know,
and we need to work on increasing our love of self.
You know, when you talk to brothers and sisters, you
call them kings and queens. Brother Carl, well, that's elevating
our self worth. You know. Back in the day, when
you wanted to convert somebody to eating healthy, you you
bad from over the head, don't you know better? Doesn't
this makes sense to you? You shouldn't be eating that,

(01:13:04):
You should be eating this now. The strategy that I
use is I want to make them feel better about themselves,
because they already know what's better for themselves. If I
make them feel better about themselves, then they're going to
make better choices on behalf of themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
That's deep, but that's Real twenty six Half the Top
Vale with doctor Barok and just checking in. Charles the
thirties joined us in Washington, DC's got a question. I
got a tweet question for you as well, Doc Charles
grand Rising, Welcome to the program that you're on with doctor.

Speaker 10 (01:13:32):
Baruk, Hotel, Brother Carl, and hotep to you, Doctor Baruch.
I just got to comment and two quick questions for
the brother Carl. You mentioned how you know COVID is
breaking out in certain cities and different things. One of
the things we have to look at and understand these

(01:13:53):
breakouts are people who have been so called vaccinate, So
they never tell you that people who are I know
who catch cold of it are those who got the
so called vaccine. But brother Barut and so the question
to you, first one is how does our community deal
with the influencer celebrities who they turn in on our

(01:14:18):
community to advocate encourage us to put these types of
poison into us. How do we evaluate that and basically
say no and not let the so called influencers influence us.
And then the second question for your brother is can
you address how we normalize overweight and obesity in our

(01:14:44):
community that you go to an environment with a bunch
of black folks three out of four seventy five percent
or either overweight obese, and there's no shame. And we
talk about we're at war. We're not mentally or physically

(01:15:04):
ready to go to war with anyone. When you take
a look at it, and I appreciate the work you do, brother,
and I'll take the response out here, thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:15:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Yeah. It's with regard to the celebrities and the influence
that they have on us, I would I would say,
if I don't want my child to be like another child,
or to be like another group of people, I have
to separate. If I don't want my friends, or if

(01:15:38):
I don't want my family members.

Speaker 8 (01:15:41):
To be like.

Speaker 6 (01:15:44):
Something that I don't think is good, I want to
encourage them to separate. I want to encourage them, you know,
in the same way that you know we do with
the food. We have to now camouflage and make good
and make positive things that they think are negative. Because
of their conditioning. We been indoctrinated to believe that what
is good is good and what is bad is bad.

(01:16:05):
But we don't understand that the you know, the hand
has been switched, you know, and now what is good?
Is is really what's bad and what's bad is good,
which is crazy, but that's the world that we live in.
So as a as a child, my child doesn't listen
to the radio stations and look at the TV programs
and and look at you know, and none of it.

(01:16:26):
I've got five children that I raised in that tradition
where I didn't allow them to get that exposure, and
I also conditioned them at a very early age to
understand was that that's a bad thing. Much like you
take a child and say, don't put your finger in
the socket because you're going to get shocked. Well, don't
listen to what they said, because you're going to get
a bad result, and you reinforce it. You reinforce it,

(01:16:49):
you reinforce it, and at some point it clicks, you know.
I had a a very heartwarming conversation with my son.
After years of me being very disciplined, of being very
discipl and restrictive parent, I wasn't restrictive, you know, to
the point where I was hurting him.

Speaker 7 (01:17:04):
But I wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
I wasn't going to allow him to do things and
I know was going to be harmful to him. So
he called me up years later and in fact share
with me the field of work that he's done. He
works with a whole lot of people that you know,
are delinquent and I'm making mistakes in life and have
to be corrected and he's a part of that process.
And he shared with me, he said, I'm glad that

(01:17:26):
you did what you did. I didn't like you as
as a child. As your child, I didn't like you.
I hated you because you wouldn't let me go to
the parties. You wouldn't let me go hang out with
the people. You wouldn't let me eat what I wanted
to eat. You wouldn't let me do all these things
that I wanted to do because everybody else was doing it.
But today, you know, with you could tell, you know,
with emotional with this, you know, with emotion in his heart,

(01:17:49):
he was saying, I'm thankful that you didn't let me
do that because now I can. I can I can
see the results when I go back to my school reunions.
I could see the results when I look out in
my community and I see what's going on. So yeah,
it's happening out there. So we have to we have
to understand as parents, as leaders, as radio stations as

(01:18:10):
businesses in our community. We have to now set the mark.
We have to set the standard and we have to
say no, no longer, is this acceptable now with regard
to you know again, why we have decided to accept
that obesity is just normalcy self worth? Brother, we have
to elevate our self worth and we have to make

(01:18:30):
healthy more attractive. We got to stop bragging about being big,
bonded and heavy structured and all the rest of the
other stuff that we done decided Okay, I'm just going
to embrace this, so it's okay for me to look
this way. It's not okay to your heart, your liver,
your kidneys to have to deal with all of that.
And that's what's you know, that's what it's all about.

(01:18:52):
You have to eat and live a life that is
going to produce abundance and brilliance and exude all kinds
of positive energy. And you're not when that you said
if we went to war, if we had to fight,
we couldn't do it. We can't run down the block.
It's not gonna happen. And you know, my position is,

(01:19:16):
we are at war. We are at war in our community,
and we don't have the strength to run away from
our enemy. So we just you know, we throw up
the flag and we give in, and we just accept.

Speaker 8 (01:19:28):
What they have for us.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
And what they have for us is killing us. And
that's what an enemy would do. He would want us
to die, and we're accepting that death. And I think
a key part in this, you know, my brother, is
our belief systems. We believe that there's somebody coming down
to fix all of this. So therefore we take no
responsibility for fixing a sense and because we believe that

(01:19:52):
there's some third party that's going to be involved in
correcting our problems. You know, again, it's a nice road
to for those that are irresponsible. They love the fact
that I don't have to take I don't have to
be accountable for anything. I can just eat how I
want to eat. I can pray over it, eat how
I want to eat, and know that somebody else has

(01:20:14):
determined whether I'm going to get diabetes, high blood pressure,
heart disease. We don't make the connection to the fact
that we're the reason why we got it, and we're
the reason why we're going to overcome it when we
make better choices.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Good Story twenty seven Away from the top. All, let
me share a story with you before I ask you
this tweet question. This tweet said it. You know you
talked about being big boned. One of our trips to Africa,
I think it was gone and we took doctor Paul
Gospel us. He said, want who created the cklss tap it?
That's so, you know, so recognized for losing weight and

(01:20:48):
getting rid of toxins. Anyway, the night when we got there,
all the sisters got their hairs, their hair done and
then they got all African garb. So they had a
dinner for us. So everybody's watching what doctor Gosa's going
to eat, so they didn't want to eat first. They
want to see what he was going to do. But
we did let the ladies go first. And at a glance,
she couldn't tell the difference. Who were Americans and who

(01:21:08):
are Canaan. Doctor Gossais, yeah, I can tell, I said,
how do you know those are ours? You see ours? Hours? Hours?
That was the more heavier, That's that's what he said
that you know, I was pleased to be more heavier
than this the Gneian sisters. And he was correct, and
all the sisters who were there nothing scientific is just observations.
I just want to share that with you because they

(01:21:29):
all had African garb. They had that, they got their hair,
you know, they the locks or dressed whatever they did
the night before by the Canaian sisters. So when they
had came to the dinner, you know, at first glance,
she couldn't tell the difference. But when doctor Goser was
pointing them out and say, yeah, that's ours, that's ours
and explained why so what you said about beating big bowet.
But anyway, I just want to share that with you.

(01:21:50):
I had a tweet question tweeters talking about today. She says,
can you grill vegetables or should you eat them raw?
She says she's a vegetarian, so she she's preparing the
vegetables for today, and she wants to know is it
better to grill them or is it better just to
eat them raw?

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
Eating raw food is we find that there's more bioavailable
nutrition and most vegetables and fruit when eating them raw.
Once you cook them, especially once you've taken them over
one hundred and eighteen degrees, you begin to kill the
life force, energy and the food. So again, to answer

(01:22:33):
their questions, simply yes, eating it raw is healthier if
you feel like you need to grill it. You know,
the less time on the grill the better. You know,
if you need to blanchet, the less time or the
lower the heat the better. So that's my.

Speaker 8 (01:22:49):
Answer to that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
And I've seen people grill pineapple slice. Is that good?
Or she's just eating just like the way it is?
Does it make sense to grill a slice of pineapple.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
When you cook you know, foods like that. When you
cook a pineapple, you know what's happening is you're cooking
out the mustard, you're cooking out the water, you're concentrating
the sugar. It tastes better. And so it is it
the best thing for you know? Is it better for
you than you know maybe that you know lemon meringue pie? Yeah,

(01:23:23):
you know, so it's better for you. And again when
we're talking about stepping up, you know, this month we're
talking about stepping up, Just take one thing out or
a category of things out, take them out for the
month and look at your results, and if you get better,
then step it up in October again. But so I
would say it's a step up for most of us.

(01:23:44):
Grilling pineapple on the grill is a step up from
for most of us as compared to what we have
been eating.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
Gotch doc check the news trafficking out different cities when
we come back, though, Serita from Los Angeles has a
question for you, and I also want you to talk
about soy people using soil as a substitute. How much
soy should we eat? Is soy good for us? I'll
let you break that down for us. Family. You two
can get in on this conversation or doctor Brook because
I mentioned he's a holistic doctor. He's also a restaurant
tour reach out to us at eight hundred four to

(01:24:13):
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your
phone calls after the news trafficing weather that's next.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your Monday with
us on this first day of September with our guest
that he's a holistic doctor and an entropathic doctor if
you will, also a restaurant toy. His name is Doctor
Brooke's well known in the DMV area. You got a question,
a health question, or a question about food, this is
a man you need to speak to. Later this morning,
we're going to speak with Contracosta College Professor Manu and
Pin Menu and Pin specializes in Africana studies. Later this

(01:25:06):
week you can hear from a medical doctor and Grill
doctor Charles f. Bench will be here. Also Professor gnacc
Lo Gokey's going to give us update on the Sahala Nations,
what's going on there, and also in Court of Forar
the Ivory Coast. Also Grill Baba La Mumba will Jonas
as well. Babba Mumba always comes up with these thought
provoking topics and he's got one ready for us later
this week. So if you are in Baltimore, I'll make
sure you keep you radio locked in tight on ten

(01:25:27):
ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV, run FM
ninety five point nine at am fourteen fifty WL. Doctor Brook,
As I mentioned, sister Serita's checking in from La has
a question for she's online too, Grand Rising, Sister Serena,
you're on with DTR Brooke, Grand.

Speaker 11 (01:25:42):
Rising, Carl and Glenn Rising to you. Guess good morning.
I'm calling because I'm fifty two. I was diagnosed as
pre diabetic and then the doctor said that she found
some fat tissue or fat on my liver. And also
I have a hernia and so I have a lot

(01:26:04):
or some things going on, torm aiscus, overweight.

Speaker 5 (01:26:07):
All of that.

Speaker 11 (01:26:09):
My question to you is is that reversible my liver?
The fatty tissue on my liver. I understand the diabetes
is I'm seeing people and my family reverse that, but
is a fatty tissue.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Some fact on?

Speaker 11 (01:26:25):
She said, it's not a lot, but still I want
to address it before it becomes worse. What would you recommend?
I have done intimate intimate fast and before and lost
twenty pounds, but then went right back to what I
was doing. So what would you suggest for me? And
I'll take my comments off here.

Speaker 6 (01:26:44):
Thank you so much, Thank you very much for the
call and the question. When I again I mentioned a
video earlier. To check out that video. They're trying to
kill us by the the brother down and Atlanta, And
so that you get a basic understanding of who's doing

(01:27:06):
what to you and why, and it will help motivate
you to once you do that intermittent pasting the next
time that you don't stop. But we eat too much
in America, and we eat too much of the wrong
things in America. So you need to correct what you're eating.
You need to eat less of it, and you need

(01:27:26):
to become physically active, so you got to get out
there and get the moving, you know, so that it
can help reduce the topic load on your body. You
said you're overweight. You need to reduce your weight so
that you can reduce the pain of that herniated disk
and possibly eliminate the herniated disk in your back. And
as it relates to the fatty liver, absolutely Deliver remakes itself,

(01:27:49):
so you can remake Deliver a healthy, healthier liver by
eating a healthier diet. The liver loves sour and it
loves tart. So when you consume sour tart, Deliver you know,
begins to purge and detox and and nourish itself tonify itself. Also,
you know, there's a product that depends on your your

(01:28:12):
your health situation, but you can take a product called
silly Silly moron. It's actually derived from milk pissel and
it helps to nourish and tonify liver as well. So yeah,
those are those are some of the suggestions. Otherwise, call
me up for consultation and I can walk you through
specifically some things that you need to do in order

(01:28:34):
to get better.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
All right, thank you, sister serena doctor. Let me ask you,
though all illnesses have a reversible just by changing one's diet.

Speaker 6 (01:28:45):
Most most chronic illnesses are reversible by changing your diet. Now,
our cute illness is a little different, you know. You know,
you have something that comes on you that's not a
chronic illness but just befollows you supposedly or kind of
out of the blue, then it can be different. But
your chronic illnesses, which is on the ones that are

(01:29:06):
plaguing our community, Yeah, those can be reversed. And that's
high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's dementia, asthma, cancer,
you know. And they're even more most of those are
inflammatory conditions, of which she has. She has an inflammatory
condition and needs to reduce the toxic load and increase

(01:29:29):
the nutrition, increase the vitamin D definitely. Yeah, so there
are number of things that she can do.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Yeah, I'm before I take the next call, what would
be the first thing, because people listening down and they're
dealing with those issues. High blood presure, diabetes, because she
seems unrapid kidney issues in our community. Just the first step,
what would would you consider the first step they should take?

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
Step up your diet. You step up your diet, you know,
as high as you can afford to and have access
to and are willing to commit to. So if you
want to step up your diet to totally eating healthy, good,
you're going to get better quicker. You want to step
up your diets to the next level. Good, you're gonna
you're on the on the road to getting better. And uh,

(01:30:13):
and get yourself some some vitamin D and uh, it's
got to be vitamin D three with K two. And
when you take that, and you take that at the
recommended level, and sometimes you can take more. Again, it
would I would suggest that you give me a call
so we can talk about it, and you get your
magnesium in. Then you begin to heal the body. You
begin to give the body some uh vitamin and a

(01:30:36):
mineral actually a hormone and a mineral that is deficient
insign the body. So those are those are the first
steps that I would suggest that a person take. Change
your friends. That's another big deal, brother Carl. You got
to change your friends. And if you can't change your friends.
Then you need to change your friends. You can't get
them to see how you see and what you're doing.

(01:30:57):
And while what you're doing is beneficial to them, then
you need to go find some friends that are already
there so that you can be amongst people that are
doing what you want to do and getting where you
want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
You should be equally yoked, as they say in the Bible, right, gotcha?
Not away from the top of that. Doctor Bruce's going
to give out his information before he leads. By the way,
let's go to line three though. It's just that he
just checking in from Bowie Grand Rising. Are you show
you on with doctor Baruk?

Speaker 11 (01:31:27):
Good morning, yea, thank you so much.

Speaker 12 (01:31:33):
I just wanted to think about doctor Baruke for putting
me on his health plans turn my life around. I
was I was overweight, I was diagnosed with diabetes, tired
all the time, and so since I've been on his
diet plan, yeah, I've lost a considerable amount of weight.

(01:31:53):
And the question that I have is if I continue
along his test well I'll be able to change my diabetes.
The diagnosis.

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
Well, greeting cystiaetia and uh, I think your your witness
your testimony to it. You're going to lose weight, You're
going to reduce the inflammation. Diabetes is actually insolent resistance,
so your insulin is going to become more active and
more capable of getting the sugar into the cells of
the body. You're absolutely going to see your body completely recover.

(01:32:27):
And you continue on that path, you continue to get
the results that you're getting, You're going to You're going
to raise your hands in celebration of you know, being
able to tell people that thought that diabetes was a
disease that you have to live with for the rest
of your life, that you actually don't. You do have
the power to change your health outcome. You can through

(01:32:48):
proper diet and proper nutrition, you can change your health outcome.
And your testimony to it. Thank you very much for
trusting me, so thank you very much.

Speaker 12 (01:32:58):
And I just want to ask this, ELI is going
to be open today because I know that you have
those seated watermelons that you can't find anywhere, and so
I just want to know if you're going to be
open because I need another one's those delicious watermelons.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
Yes, indeed, and we have those watermelons for you. We
have the red seated, the red meat seated, the orange
meat seated, and the yellow meat. All of them are
seated watermelons. But yes we have them and we're open
regular hours today. Thank you for asking.

Speaker 12 (01:33:26):
Oh, thank you so much that you have a wonderful day.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
All right, thank you, sister A. Let me ask you this, so, Doc,
for the folks who you know they have to go
these cookouts a day, can they stop by eLife and
get something and take their own grub so they don't
have to be, you know, getting into the ribs and
the pork and all this stuff. And I'm not down
in you family if you still at that level, eating

(01:33:50):
that level. But of course the doctors just outlined what
it is and what you what you need to do
to raise your level of consciousness because they're connected what
you eat and who you are as a person. But
Doctor Brooke, do you have alternatives so they can pick
up since they you know, they want to be around
folks like that, do you have alternatives for them at
the restaurant, Brother.

Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
Carl, Absolutely we do. In fact, we make extra food
on days like today when we know that customers are
going to come in to get their food and take
their food to the cookout and so it happens every
single holiday, Memorial Day, for the July and Labor Days,
we experience that. So yep, we got you covered all right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
He tweet question for your tweeter Us from Louisiana says,
good morning, Carl, great show. Starting off the week by
our with our health. Can you ask a good doctor
what can we do to improve our kidney health? And
what should we eat? What should we be eating to
help our kidneys function normally?

Speaker 6 (01:34:56):
Right? Great? Great question Again the sour and a favorites
of the kidneys, and you want to eat a cleaner
diet and that you many times, what we're experiencing when
we have kidney problems is our filtration rate is down.
So how do you increase your filtration rate? You reduce
your inflammation. And one of the best ways to reduce

(01:35:18):
your inflammation is to reduce the metabolic insult that we
are experiencing through toxic food intake. Along with that, you
know there are products that you can consume that are
anti anti antioxidant, anti anti aging, and also they will

(01:35:41):
reduce the anti inflammatory the word I'm looking for anti inflammatory.
So when you reduce that inflammation inside of the body.
You reduce the inflammation inside the kidneys. When you reduce
the inflammation inside of the kidneys, you reduce the need
for the heart to pump harder. The heart is doing
the right thing by putting more pressure in your blood
vessel so that that blood can pass through that inflamed

(01:36:03):
kidney where the small hairlike blood vessels have to be
passed through in order to provide filtration of your blood.
So it's yeah, those are those are the things that
ablet say.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Yes, all right, we're going on a break. We go
to take the traffic and weather in our different cities.
But when we come back, though, Doc explain to us
about SOI. People are using sois a substitute for meat,
and I heard that SOI is not good for you.
You know, maybe I heard wrong, because you know, you
don't get all this information on the internet. You got
to be careful what you absorb on the internet as well.

(01:36:39):
So explain that to us. When we get back, family,
it's four minutes away from the top of the that
guests the holistic doctor and the restaurant tour doctor Baruch.
We got to check the traffic and weather in our
different cities. When we come back, he'll respond to that.
If you got a question for him, reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six, and we take you calls next after
the traffic and weather together.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
It's next.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
You're Rocking with the Most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.
You're Rocking with the Most Submissive.

Speaker 9 (01:37:13):
Rock Rocky.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
And Grand Rising Family, and thanks for starting your week
with us, starting the month with us. It's the first
day of September twenty twenty five. I guess there's a
holistic doctor and also a restaurant tour doctor Barok. A moment, Tarior,
we're going to speak with Professor may New m pim.
It's gonna draw us from Contracrost, the college out in California.
But doctor Brook a question, and this is a sister
Odowa calling from the Gambia.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
She says, the rainy season there. She wants to know
about tofu and soybee.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
Yeah. I think the conversation we gotta we got to
take it up a couple of notches in that you know,
we make tofu the evil food and then't recognize that
it's all processed food. Does the same, very similar thing
to our bodies, and that processed food is really the enemy.

(01:38:22):
It's not just the processing of the soy being. The
soy being got targeted by the meat industry because the
meat industry needed to, you know, figure out how to
boost its numbers. It's number one enemy or threat to
its success with soy or the tofu product. There are
some people who have intolerances to to the soy and
have issues with you know, uh, the estrogen levels and

(01:38:46):
soy no different than people have intolerances to gluten or
intolerances to salt, or intolerance is to sugar. So that
intolerance is present in some people's bodies. But when you
think about you know, people called the they recognize that
it has the capacity to disrupt the indocrine function or
indigrine balance. Then we have to look at other cultures

(01:39:09):
of people in the Asian community, which would probably be
identified as the number one consumer of tofu. They don't
have that, you know, they don't have that significant issue
that we're having in Black America. You know, Black America
is being impacted significantly. And so before we go down
the road of making tofu or soy the big culprit

(01:39:31):
for why we are suffering in the space of indocrine
disruption and gender confusion, and even in some instances, we
have to look at some other things that are impacting
our health. And I would take us down the road
of fragrances. We don't understand the impact that fragrances have
on our indocrine system. So these these nice smells that

(01:39:54):
we put on our body, or the fragrance that we
put inside of our car or in our homes, and
when we plug in, plug in these fragrance producing you
know plugins that those are having a much greater impact
on our indocrine system than the tofu that you're consuming.
And I've been consuming tofu for over forty years now,

(01:40:17):
brother Karl, almost fifty years now, and I've got five
children and looking to make more. So don't I don't
know that I would be the best case to look
at to see how tofu has negatively impacted my health. No,
I don't eat I don't eat some of the lower
quality tofu, but I don't need lower quality food period,

(01:40:39):
So I would eat the higher quality tofu. And you know,
if you need help.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Five at the top. Now, I've got two questions for you,
and Bomani has joined us from Detroit, though. It's got
a question and we've got to get to professor at
Manu and pinber Bomani Grand Rising Online two in Detroit.
Your question for doctor.

Speaker 6 (01:40:59):
Baruk grant Rising brother. Yeah, I'm having some problems sleeping.
It's wondered if you had any suggestions. Yeah, I think
you might have an issue with cortisol and your blood stream.
You might have an issue with adrenal fatigue. You might
have an issue with not having sufficient levels of melatonin

(01:41:24):
in your in your blood stream. So I would suggest
that maybe you give me a call. I'll give my
information at the end so that I can maybe support you,
walk you through what you need to do in order
to get that behind you. But if you're you know,
they could it could be anything from what you're eating,
to the lighting in your home to you know, there
are a number of factors that are impacting our ability

(01:41:47):
to get good rest.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
Before here. Yes, okay, all right, another another quick question
for you. Tweet tweet says, which magnesium does the dog?
I suggest.

Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
Magnesium glacinator is the one that really helps the absorption
of vitamin D three, So that would be the one
that I would suggest we make sure that we're taking in.
There are a number of magnesiums that also benefit us.
They all do, and that's why we take trace minerals
on a daily basis, so you're getting all of them
inside of our body on a daily basis. But the

(01:42:22):
glaciinator is the best one for the absorption of vitamin
D three.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
All right, doc, how can folks reach you and give
us your address of eLife as well?

Speaker 6 (01:42:33):
Yes, okay, so the best way to reach me is
probably by the phone, but let me get off the
air first. There's people who've already been calling me. It's
three zero one, three two four sixty nine hundred extension fourteen.
Make sure you put extension fourteen in and you'll get
directly to me and I'll be more than happy to
help you get your health back in order. The restaurant

(01:42:56):
is an e Life restaurant and that's located at nine
zero three three Central Avenue, Capital Heights, Maryland. We've been
in business for thirty years providing a viable healthy food
alternative again giving our people a better chance of living longer,
having a better quality of life, looking better, feeling better,
having more energy, and loving better. And we're not going
to stop. We're here for the community. I appreciate you,

(01:43:19):
brother Paul, Brother Carl, I appreciate w O L. We
appreciate the work that you're doing and affording us the
time to come on and share with the community this
path that we're lighting up. Have a blessing.

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
Well, this is important what you do, dot, because if
you're not healthy, nothing else matters.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
Health comes first, matters, brother, nothing else matters. There's nothing
that is more important than your health. And that's where
we have to get to as a people. We have
to understand the significance of what you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Just said, and we have to teach that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:50):
We have to wear that on t shirts. We have
to you know, that's got to be our affirmation in
the morning, and it changes your health outcome.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
Gotcha. Thank you for what you do because you've been
serving this community for quite some time. And thank you
for all the information that provided us this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
I have a great day, all right. Family. That's doctor Baroke.
Doctor Brook is a holistic doctor and a restaurant tour
give us some tips what to do, especially today on
this Monday, this first day of September. But let's go
out west now at the Contra Costa College out in
northern California where Professor May new and Penance waiting for us.
But I'm Pim, Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (01:44:29):
Well, Grand Rising and shining brother Karl God, I'm glad
to be back.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Professor. I'm Pim. Let's talk about you know, Black August
we just went through and now we're moving into September.
These calendar months, how do you see them from where
as a historian, how do you see these months? What's
the significance of these months to us as black people?

Speaker 5 (01:44:50):
Well, I think we need to look at each each
month and and look at at the history of what
is significant events that have developed in each month. And
you know Black August it comes out of the prison
movement in nineteen seventy and it means a lot. So
we're not just looking at prisons now, but also about

(01:45:11):
the black economic development for the month of August. And actually,
as the listeners know today, Labor Day. So in the
US we look at these different holidays, most of them
are on a Monday. But I would submit, being a
professor of Africana studies for decades that most people don't

(01:45:32):
know the history of Labor Day. It's not really a
big deal to them. But the history is interesting because
if you go back to the eighteen eighties when the
labor movement began to develop, it was because of the
industrialization that was taking place in the eighteen eighties, eighteen nineties,
the early part of the twentieth century. So the labor

(01:45:55):
movement it was a reaction challenge to the big industrialization
that was taking place where the big companies were exploiting labor.
And you know, so people know about the AFL CIO
and and big labor unions like that, but we should
look at the Nights of Labor and the Women's Christian

(01:46:17):
Tempest Union. In these big, these big unions, they did
some good in the sense that people had to work
half a day just to make ends meet. I mean
literally twelve hour days was no there was no eight
hour workday. But black folks are left out of this
because of the vicious racist Jim Crow system. Black folks
were left out of these big unions and so we

(01:46:39):
had to fend for ourselves. So when I look at
months like August or September, there are important things that
have come up, and so I don't really respect any
of just about any of the holidays because they have
a bogus beginning, of bogus origin, and they don't really
have much to do with black folks. Whether it's the

(01:47:00):
history of Labor Day, which has really been a holiday
for more than one hundred and thirty years, or we
can go back to July fourth of July, black folks
were still in slavery. Not only that, but the fourth
of July doesn't even represent American independence. America didn't become
independent as a free independent country until the Treaty of Paris,

(01:47:24):
which was signed on September third, seventeen eighty three. That
is the official birth date of the US. So I
look at holidays in different months. It's things that we
should should have a different perspective on, including even you know,
the New Year and things like that, because in the
African world, there's many other ways that we need to

(01:47:45):
look at these different months and different holidays.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Well, let me ask you said twelve after top, who
created these these these months? Let's start with the date.
So where was all that? Who? Where did that originate from?

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
From African people in classical Africa, going back to Kimmit
or so called ancient Egypt. The first accurate solar calendar
in the history of humanity goes back to four two
hundred and forty before the Common Era, so that's over
over sixty two hundred years ago. It was African people

(01:48:22):
that developed the very first accurate solar calendar that goes
back more than six thousand years and the New Year's
Day was always around August the first, so they had
not only a three hundred and sixty five and a
quarter day calendar, but twelve months, twenty four hours in
the day. So the current calendar that we're using, the

(01:48:49):
Gregorian calendar named after Pope Gregory. This it goes back
to the classical African calendar. So it was Africans who
developed the very first accurate solar calendar. It is important
for people to know that when we're looking at calendars
the issue is and the reason why people wouldn't necessarily
know this is because more than four thousand years after

(01:49:12):
the original African calendar, Julius Caesar from Rome invaded Kimmid
in forty eight and forty seven BCE. So what Julius
Caesar did He contracted the African Presissocinees to overhaul the
Roman calendar. The Romans weren't like all of the other
European groups. They thought that the Earth was the center

(01:49:35):
of the universe, and so they had no idea that
the Earth revolved around the Sun. So their months was
really based on the lunar cycle. So nowhere in the
history of Europe was there an accurate solar calendar until
Julius Caesar went to Kimmitt and in the year forty
six BCE. That's the first time in the history of
Europe that they had had a solar calendar. But that

(01:49:58):
year is very strange because instead of hundred and sixty
five day calendar, the Roman calendar was so out of
whack that the great African Presissagees had to make that
the first year of the Roman calendar, the solar calendar
that was four hundred and forty five days, so it
was eighty days out of whack. But what's important about

(01:50:20):
it that Julius Caesar he changed the African calendar. The
months changed, the names changed, and so the African months
were changed two months named after after Europeans. All of
the days of the week changed. For example, the name
Julius is where we get July from, and his successor

(01:50:41):
Augustus who was a ruler in Rome. He said, you know,
I like that. I want to get some of that too,
So from August, so from Augustus we get August. So
the months changed, and also the days of the week
also changed. Every day was named to an African deity,
but the but the Europeans changes. So all of the

(01:51:02):
names we are dealing with now are Roman names and
also Viking names, so the North so the Northmen their
names they represent the calendar. So tomorrow would be Tuesday
named after the European deity. Twos Wednesday is after the
name Wooden, so Wooden's Day became Wednesday, Thursday became Thursday,

(01:51:28):
free Asday became Friday. So the calendar that was established
by Africans, one of the great contributions in the history
of the world, an accurate solar calendar more than sixty
two hundred years ago, then changed by Europeans, and now
that all of the names have changed. So unless we
did study and research, we wouldn't know that the current

(01:51:50):
modern calendar goes directly back to the African calendar. So
it's a direct line from the original African calendar to
the Julian calendar. Even Julius c to even name the
calendar after his damn stuff. So you got the Julian
calendar in the year forty six and then the modern
Gregorian calendar in fifteen eighty two where other changes were made.

(01:52:10):
And now our modern calendar doesn't make a lot of sense.
It really doesn't, because we're in September and in scept
the root sept is equal to the number seven. Yet
September is the ninth month, so all of the months
are off after gone Octopus, so whatever it may be
after god oc means eight. But yet October is the

(01:52:32):
tenth month, and so forth. So all of the month's
names have been changed, they've been mixed around. So I know,
a lot of times we think about Europe in order
for Europeans and orderly approach, but no, they've created chaos
in the calendar. So when we look at the original
African calendar was completely ordered for every month was a

(01:52:52):
thirty day month with three ten day weeks. Everything right, now, Hold.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
That's all right? There at a professor man who step
aside for a few minutes, we come back, you know,
explain more about that, because who decided which which month
against thirty days? And who decided was short February and
explain all of that firus and we get back family
just checking in. I guess she's Professor Mayne want Pin
from Contra cost To College out in California. Call up
a couple of friends and they'll thank you because they'll
learn something this morning. Got a question, reach out to

(01:53:19):
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and take the calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
this Monday morning, this first day of September. Our guest
is Professor man New MPM professor and Manu and Pinnings
smart brothers out there specializes in Africana studies. He's a
researcher by trade and this morning he's sharing with us
about the calendar and some of the events took place
in August and September as well, and before we left
a lot of it sounds like our legacy was still

(01:54:13):
on legacy by the Greeks that I have people creative
a calendar. But my question to you before we left,
now I let you finish your thought as well. How
do they decide which month gets thirty, which gets thirty
one and why February was sure changed.

Speaker 5 (01:54:27):
Yeah, that's a good cale, good, good question. The original
African calendar was about balance, order and proportion, so everything
was equal. So there was twelve months in the year,
and every month had thirty days, and so with thirty days,
there were three ten day weeks, so every week would

(01:54:48):
be you work seven days, three days off. That would
be a week work seven days, three days off, work
seven days, three days off. So everything was ordered in
that manner. There was twelve hours of the day and
twelve hours of the night to represent a twenty four
hour day. All of that was organized and it's documented
in the African calendar system. But the Greeks and well

(01:55:11):
in this case the Romans, they didn't know anything about
accurate time, so they had no idea the place of
the earth in the universe, so they never had a
three hundred and sixty five day calendar. So for them,
the months were it could be anything thirty days, thirty
one days, twenty nine days. And when they recognize that, damn,

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this is not really keeping up with actual time, they
would just add a month, just add a month to
try to sink their calendar with a real time. And
so the twenty eight days or twenty nine days for February.
What that was that the Romans, once they invaded Africa
and had their calendar fixed the right way, they brought

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the normal European chaos. So this is why we have
months that are thirty days. Thirty one days in the
month of February is which we now call February at
the twenty eight twenty nine days, and that was introduced
to and over and overhauling the original African calendar. So

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the way Africans calculated the calendar is that we say
three hundred and sixty five and a quarter days. But
so a day is twenty four hours, so a quarter
would be about six hours in actual time when the
Earth spins on its axis, it's not exactly six hours.
It's really five hours forty eight minutes. It's so we
just say a quarter day or six hours, but you

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can't account for a fraction of a day in the calendar.
So what happened for what happens in real time when
we stay three hundred and sixty five day calendar, it's
a quarter day that we don't account for, So that
quarter day is just left out of the calendar. And
it's so it's no accounted for. So that means in

(01:57:01):
one year you really lose a quarter day. The second
year the same thing, you can lose another quarter day
in actual time. So by the end of four years
you actually lose a complete day. And so that's why
every fourth year, when it's even years in our case
now twenty twenty twenty twenty four, and then the next

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time will be twenty twenty eight. So every four years
in the current calendar, a day is added back to
the calendar, and February is that day where it's so
called leap year, where the day is added to try
to catch up with real time. And so that's how
but that comes from the Julian calendar. The original Africans

(01:57:46):
did not add a day. They actually waited one thousand,
four hundred and sixty years to add This is this
is amazing mathematical calculations. Africans actually added a complete year,
a complete three hundred and sixty five days to the
calendar so that it is back in alignment with real time.
So this is a highly theoretical mathematical calculations which Julius

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Caesar and the Romans had no ability to do. They
had to go to Africa to change the calendar, but
they had to simplify it so subsocieties. The African priest
who changed the Roman calendar, he made it a four
days so called leap year, but it's really elite day
where one days added to the calendar. But the real

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the leap year in a true sense, was the Africans
and classical committ where they added a year back to
the calendar. So anyway, if people think about it, they'll
see that, yeah, that kind of makes sense, where you
just add a day because we're losing a quarter day
every year. But the chaos of trying to figure out
is September thirty days? Is it thirty one days? What

(01:58:53):
about August or this month of that month. That's the
European and specific Roman chaos that was added to the
calendar that was originally thirty days for each month. And
by the way, obviously if somebody does the math, you
do thirty days times twelve months, that's only three hundred

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and sixty days. So what the Africans would do is
the last five days those would be festival days to
honor the deities. And so every year August first or
maybe August second, would be the new Year's day. So
what would happen? Why would Appricans choose August first. It
is because that's when the Nile River overflowed its banks,

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and as the agricultural society, irrigating the crops was absolutely crucial,
so the Nile overflom was central to life as they
irrigated the crops, so that when the Noile overflowed it

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seemed to be around the same time every year. It's
also the same time that the stop deck or the
serious Star appeared. So those two phenomenas happen every year,
the appearance of the serious star, which they called stop
deck and the overflow of denial. So every year August first,
August second will be the new year, and that would

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set that three hundred and sixty five and a quarter
day calendar, so that means that the last five days
in July those would be the last five days or
the festival days in the original African calendar. And so
this was the new Year's for thousands of years, and
through Europeans changed it. They changed it to there was

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March twenty fifth, and then from March twenty fifth they
changed it to January first. January first, doesn't mean anything.
Nothing happens in nature or in the universe or in
the cosmos on January first. It is totally completely arbitrary.
It's not even a religious holiday at least if it
was a religious holiday would make sense. But most in

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the calendar that we look at doesn't make any sense
the way it is now. But we have to look
at how it came and went from the original calendar
in Kimmit to the Julian calendar in forty six BC
to the Gregorian calendar in the late fifteen hundreds to
get an idea of how we got to a chaotic
calendar where the months don't match the numbers. You know,

(02:01:25):
as I mentioned a minute.

Speaker 4 (02:01:26):
Ago, all right, twenty eight after tough, Cliff is calling Froim,
Connecticut to ask the question for you. He's online one
grand Rising, Cliff, You're on with Professor Manu mpm.

Speaker 13 (02:01:36):
Hey, grand rising of the column and grand rising to
the professor before I make my point. Now, I can
to understand why the chaos and the negative and the
crazy mentality coming from Trump were originated. He was reincarnated
from those chaotic people way in the past. So that
makes a little bit more sense. Because he's totally undermining

(02:01:56):
everything that's black right now, So with that being said, professor,
if we if our ancestors were to do certain traditions
and certain rituals in order to magnify or in order
to worship the deities, so now that we're in the

(02:02:17):
future or we have fast forward, so that gave us
power when we were to do these rituals, does that
make sense so far? So, in other words, if we
follow these traditions that were mandated to us as a people,
that would give us power, insight, give us everything we
need that was positive. Does that make sense so far?

Speaker 8 (02:02:36):
Well?

Speaker 5 (02:02:37):
Yeah, Well, you know, the rituals were to celebrate the
continuation of life and the water is central to everything,
so yes in that sense.

Speaker 13 (02:02:45):
Yet, okay, so now if we're not doing that now
as a people, so we are losing our blessings. We
are losing power because we have followed the culture of
the white man and the enemy. So therefore we have
no power and that's why we did we're in the
condition we're in now. Does that make a little bit
of sense?

Speaker 5 (02:03:05):
Well, there's no question we've lost our way. I mean,
we've had a great tradition and you know, hey, I
tell you this in the in the condition that we
currently are in the quagmire, the quicksand it's either one
of two possibilities. Either we've always been this way and
we've been off track, we've never developed anything of any importance.
Either that's been the case that we've never had away,

(02:03:27):
or secondly, we had a way and we lost our way.
And clearly for us, it's the second, it's the latter.
We had a way and we lost our way. So
this is what we're struggling with now, is that we've
lost the memory of our great traditions that have allowed
us in the Pass to be at the apex of
human achievement. And we're not there now because we've suffered
from historical amnesia.

Speaker 13 (02:03:49):
And you know what, my last point, and you know what,
brother Kyle, remember you had some Mason Masonic brothers, some
Black brothers that came on maybe about a month ago.
That's the whole concept of Mace that himer Biff was
knocked across the head and lost his whole consciousness. Look
into that thanks to think.

Speaker 5 (02:04:06):
Of my call brother.

Speaker 4 (02:04:08):
All right, thanks Cliff. Thirty minutes after the top, I
want to go back to what you talked about the
Earth's axis is spinning? Is there because I had a
conversation with a metaphysician out of Chicago, the Medicenter, doctor Blair.
Doctor Blair said that the Earth is spinning faster. Does
this have anything to do with is first? Is it true?

(02:04:29):
Does this have anything that why it seems like time
is starting to speed up? Or is he just an imagination?

Speaker 5 (02:04:38):
Well, you know, I don't know how anybody's able to
document the time is speeding up, because we could set
our watches and calculate time is exactly the way it
has been operating in not only two twenty twenty five,
and we can look at nineteen twenty five. Time hasn't
changed changed since when a thousand years ago. How it works,

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there are phenomena that happened, maybe there are comments or
things that happen in the universe that don't happen that often,
but time has Time is certainly constant. But that's one
of the things that you can always count on, and
that is the regularity of time. So I don't see
that at all, because this is how Africans are able
to calculate such a long calendar. If time was so

(02:05:22):
irregular then it would be impossible to have a regulated,
accurate calendar to know exactly when a new year would occur.
So they knew exactly the fact that the Earth spins
on its axis around twenty four hours a day and
it revolves around the Sun three hundred and sixty five
and a quarter days. That is not changed. And so

(02:05:44):
as a researcher, I say, documentation beats conversations. So where's
the evidence for that? All we know is that Africans
have developed an accurate calendar, and the only way to
do that is to be able to calculate the constant
flow of time.

Speaker 4 (02:06:00):
A twenty eight away from the top are So what
happened though? Our answers created the count? How did how
did the Europeans take over?

Speaker 5 (02:06:07):
Well? It was it was when when when Africans lost
control of the Now Valley, when they lost control where
the Assyrians from from from from modern day Iraq for
the so the Assyrians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans.
With a series of invaders one century after another, Africans

(02:06:29):
lost the original homeland in the Now Valley, in this
case Kimmic so called ancient Egypt. And when the Romans
came that that's when the complete theft. That's that's when
the theft was complete. So it was really the stealing
of African knowledge. And obviously I think that a lot
of the listeners will know about the Library of Alexandria.

(02:06:51):
Whether before the Romans came in to u To to
officially conquered Kimmic, it was the Greeks, another European group,
and and Greeks came in as conquerors and they didn't
know very much. There was no libraries in Greek culture,
even in so called classical Greek culture. They had no
public libraries. They didn't even have private libraries. But somehow

(02:07:14):
they want the world to believe that the Greeks can
come in in the fourth century, before the Common Era
and create the Library of Alexandria, which is legendary. It
is said to have over seven hundred thousand manuscripts. How
in the world would a group with no traditional libraries
of a public library leave their homeland and then build

(02:07:36):
an institution abroad that they never built at home. No,
that's not what happened. There was libraries in the temples
in Kymmic, and when I take people to the temples,
I actually show the group niches in one of the
small chapels where they can see where those scrolls were kept.
Literally there repository of books. But what the Greeks did

(02:08:00):
when they came in, they gathered all of these different
for Pyrole, all of the different manuscripts from different temples
in Kimmy, and they brought them to the northern area
of Alexandria, named after Alexander of Macedon. I didn't say
Alexander the Great. He's not great to me, but he's
Alexander of Macedon. And they recreated a library that had

(02:08:23):
already been there, and so that's how they were able
to try their best to imitate African knowledge, African science,
and you name it. So the Library of Alexandra is legendary,
but it's given a credit to the wrong people, to
the Greeks, when in fact, this was a library among

(02:08:44):
many that was in classical Africa, and the manuscripts they
were burned. The Library of Alexander burned a couple times,
and they actually recreated one, a new one. I don't know,
maybe about ten years or so, maybe fifteen at the most,
but it doesn't have the hey they mostly that it
had during the classical African period thousands of years ago.
That's why most people probably would know that the modern

(02:09:08):
government in Egypt has rebuilt the library amount of Alexandria,
but they built it in the area where they thought
the original was. But this is how we lost our knowledge.
It was being conquered. And then the note that the
knowledge also being stolen, taken and regurgitated by foreigners who
bacheardize and change everything because they didn't understand, they didn't

(02:09:29):
speak the language anything else. And so this is what
we need to know. Like the name Egypt, this is
a Greek corruption of the name of a temple. The
word Ethiopia, for example, this is a Greek word, this
is a European word that they were talking about, Ethiops,
and from Ethiops we get Ethiopia. But they were describing

(02:09:50):
a man with sun burnt skin, someone who was black
faced or kissed by the sun. This is what ethiop
really means. So this is where we get the mod
the name from. But they were describing the area. The
Greeks were of old Kush, but they didn't know any name.
Every name changed, even the name min Nepher, which is

(02:10:12):
the first capital city, which we know is Memphis? Well,
how did min Neffer which means established in beauty, which
is a great name, become Memphis because the Greeks changed
it and all of the names changed to the Greek
form ending in if the US. So that's what happened.
We were conquered militarily and then culturally the contributions would changed.

Speaker 4 (02:10:35):
Yet hold, I thought I did becase we're gonna step
aside for a few months and we come back. Though
Ethiopia wasn't conquered. Did they contin maintain their calendar? Also,
Brother Joe and Philly has a question for your family.
YouTube can join this conversation with Professor man new mpin.
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four five
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Speaker 1 (02:10:57):

Speaker 4 (02:11:21):
this Monday morning. Thanks you're stilling the week with us,
especially on this day a holiday for some nineteen minutes
away from the top there that guest, Professor Main new
m PIM. Before we go back to him, let me
just remind you coming up later this weekend here from
a medical doctor and also grill the doctor Charles Finch,
you'll be here. Also, Professor Ganakalagoki from Lincoln University is

(02:11:42):
going to give us an update on what's going on
with this hell Nations on the content. Also, Grea Baba
La Mama's going to provide another thought provoking topic for
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I also mentioned this a great tennis match coming up today,

(02:12:03):
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They're gonna be on display today, all right, eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six to
speak to Professor m Pim. Professor, my question to you
about Ethiopia. Ethiopia was the only country that wasn't conquered

(02:12:23):
by the Europeans. Did they maintain their calendar?

Speaker 5 (02:12:27):
Yeah, they actually did. And I've been been going to
Ethiopia now from acurate about fifteen years at least, because
it's as they call this the land of Origins. That's
the phrase they use in all of the tourism in
different ministries there. But they were able to maintain their independence,

(02:12:50):
which is very important as we look at the history
of African calendars and telling time. And one of the
things I learned early on being in Ethiopia is that
not only is the Orthodox the official calendar that they use.
This is the year right now for them, it is
twenty seventeen, and when their new year comes up, it

(02:13:12):
will be twenty eighteen. Then the new Year's day in
Ethiopia is September eleventh, So in another week and a
half in the DC area and different parts of the
country and in Ethiopia itself, you will see huge celebrations
of their new Year's Day September eleventh, and so they

(02:13:34):
maintain their independent calendar, but also their independent view of time.
This is something that's very important to understand, is that
Africans have been in correlation with actual time and not
just arbitrary dates or arbitrary times of the day. For example,

(02:13:54):
in Ethiopia, the new day starts at sunrise. So for them,
the new year, the new day is six am, and
then nighttime would be six pm. It makes sense because
here in the West, in America, for example, it makes
no sense whatsoever that a new day would start in

(02:14:16):
the middle of the night. I mean, how in the
world could at twelve midnight start a new day. This
is crazy, it's but it comes from the European chaos
and lack of understanding of real time. So the Ethiopian
calendar is consistent with nature. So six am is typically
sunrise and it's certainly light outside, so that makes a

(02:14:40):
lot of sense. And I remember when I first learned this,
one of the Ethiopian brothers that asked me, he said,
how can you all start the new day in the
middle of the night. I hadn't really thought of it
like that. I said, yeah, you're right, it doesn't make
any sense. Then midnight would be a new day when
most people asleep and it's certainly dark outside, as opposed

(02:15:01):
to six am, where it's light outside and people are
starting to the people are that they're starting their day,
their beginning their day. So this is how the Theiopians
look at time, which is consistent with nature and that's
the same thing that we can see going back to

(02:15:22):
the original calendar. So this is what independence does. It
allows people to maintain their traditional life ways and their
independent thinking, so that that would allow them to remain
in harmony with nature as opposed to some the arbitrary
calendars and arbitrary time. That doesn't seem to make a

(02:15:43):
lot of sense when we really look at the details.

Speaker 4 (02:15:46):
Gotcha fourteen away from the top. As I mentioned, brother
Joe is waiting for us. He's in Philly, he's online.
One grind rising, Brother Joe. You want me to fester
the men new MP.

Speaker 7 (02:15:56):
Grand raising brother Grand rasin Brother Professor Pan and into
your wanting producer, Brother Kevin. You know Professor and brother
Carr at the sixty four year old black Man. I'd
be the first to tell you. You know, they say
knowledge is from the cradle to the grave. I'm learned
so much. Listen to Professor day, brother Card because uh,
you know, as you get old, as I get older,

(02:16:17):
you just realized how Europeans have distorted things and stole things.
Because when I when I listened to the Professor Pan
break down the history of our people and the and
they eat the open and how the Europeans stole things,
changed things to their own benefit. It reminds me of
hearing Philadelphia brother car and Professor. It was a brother.

(02:16:38):
He's not with us normal. He's an elder ancestor now
Dale Jones. He had a book store card no dat stuff,
no dyck stuff, no dys stuff, bookstore, and he had
a book out called Culture Bandness. And inside the book
he's talking about how how Europeans how they For example,
you got people like Chuck Barry Sam cooked all these
great people fast down, and yet white folks had your

(02:17:01):
death to car e Di specialty king of rock and roll.
You know, I mean, how do is so quickly there's
steal stuff and this and have no regard for whatsoever?
So I mean these people many they deep man. If
you if you remember brother Karl and my dead professor, when.

Speaker 14 (02:17:15):
When they had when?

Speaker 7 (02:17:16):
When when when the devil George Bush did the first
I rank for to push the sing you. The first
thing the devils did over there at the back examined
bag Dad was stow our artifacts out the museums. They
love stealing people's stuff, man, They love stealing people's culture
and stuff and playing with it as their own. I
mean these people deep man, these your pians are like
no other. And that's no hateful statement. It's just a

(02:17:38):
fact of life, man. And that's my valuable right right now.

Speaker 4 (02:17:40):
And brother Joe is your favorite, putting a question for him,
and let me just say this, Dale Joneses is one
of our regular guests. Oh wow, yeah, very well.

Speaker 7 (02:17:51):
The cultural outrage op praised me told life. But I
just want to make those comments. But those that's when
the thanks, brother professor, wick it up. People what because
a lot of our people don't know these things. Man, first,
our children even something about he's a value. But Professor's
doing his value because I need to know the truth
about these people in the in the constant lies they

(02:18:11):
do with Trump, which is it in the White House
now when they race our history and stuff called I
mean something George Washington never told a lie, but he's
a brutal slave mass times. Jeff is a pedophile, but
they want to hold him up as an elder statesman.
I mean, come on, man, this stuff is madness. But
just want to thank you, brother car for give out
between and I encourage you, brother Professor, to keep doing
what you doing because I need that knowledge and they

(02:18:31):
need that wisdom. Thank you by the car all.

Speaker 4 (02:18:34):
Right, thank you, Brother Joe and Phillya. Yes, bel Jones
the War corresponding Cultural Bannon. That was the title of
his best selling book. Yeah, it used to be a
regular on that program. But Professor Manney, anything you want
us to respond to what brother joej just said?

Speaker 5 (02:18:47):
Can we talk about not really, but the cultural banditury
is is two sides. I mean, it's the aggressive thieves,
but it's also us also losing our memory of our
tradition should know cultural lifeways. So it's both sides. So
we have a lot of work to do to learn
about our cultural tradition so that we can get back

(02:19:08):
in order, because we are definitely out of order internally,
so it's on us to turn things right side up.

Speaker 4 (02:19:17):
Yeah, that's what we're working on. A ten away from
the topic, but Professor am Pim talk to us about
the un Ia and Marcus Garvey because they went in August.
He had a meeting at Madison Square Garden. I'm just
trying to envision what Madison Square Garden was like back
in the day. You can tell us the exact year
that it was. I can't recall and what was like
to so many black people, folks from all across the

(02:19:39):
nation and probably overseas came to here this black man speak.
What was that all about?

Speaker 5 (02:19:44):
Yeah, this is one of the great one of the
greatest conventions. So back in the whole month of August,
from August first to the thirty first of nineteen twenty,
Marcus Garvey, head of the Universal Negro Improvement Association and
African Communities League or just shortened for u NIA. They

(02:20:06):
had the World Conference at Madison Square Garden, so at
Liberty Hall as they as they called it in the UNIA.
There was this great convention that had over two thousand
delegates from estimated twenty two countries, and Marcus Garvey was
a great orator. There's actually a couple of audio tapes

(02:20:28):
that people could could could go online and hear Garvey.
Their short tapes, but you can tell how articulate Garvey
was as he communicated not only in writing, but his
ability to hit his oratory. He was able to draw
people in and to the UNIA program. But this convention

(02:20:49):
in nineteen twenty is very important because they issued at
this international convention, they issued the Declaration of Rights of
Black People from around the world, and they issued a
number of of declarations at the conference.

Speaker 6 (02:21:07):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:21:07):
This this this important convention and uh and the significance
of it is the fact that that's where.

Speaker 4 (02:21:19):
We lost. Professor Ampin. Hopefully it is ALIGNE didn't drop Kevin.
Can you check that first nine minutes away from the
top of our family, I guess this Professor man new MPM.
Professor MPM teachers a Contracsta college in California. By the way,
the Professor m Pin was the person who discovered that
the Willi Lynch letter was a fake. You know, people
going around quoting the Willy Lynch letter. We talked about

(02:21:42):
we were one of those two and and uh and
then he came up and did some research here and
I found it was it was several inconsistencies to it.
Even today now people are quoting the Williy Lynch letter.
So when you hear them quote the little Willy Lynch
let because I think doctors. Professor am Pin has written
a book about it, Uh, just still in a direction,
just remind him gently that it's fake. It didn't happen

(02:22:04):
like that. Professor. I'mpenning you're back with us. Apparently not
ate away from the top. But it was interesting because
I think it took legs when it might have been
at the million Man March when Minneso Farca used it
and people and then it just spread. Everybody was calling
the Willie Lynch letter, why are the problems we have?
And you know, reached versus poor black, vers darker, lighter

(02:22:27):
and all that kind of stuff that was written. But
Professor Ampim he looked at the so called letter and
found out it was riddled with inconsistencies and he called
the person who put it out and we've had him
on by the way, after Professor am Pim discovered that
it was fake and we had him on it and
he confessed that the letter was a fake. But we'll
talk about that later. But Professor Mpin's back with us

(02:22:48):
now at six away from the top of I said,
Professor mpm let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (02:22:53):
Yeah. So the August nineteen twenty convention is historic. At
Manison Square Garden, Gary to hear Garby speak. There was
twenty five thousand people to hear him speak at Madison
Square Garden. So it wasn't just the convention, but it's
what came from the convention. This is the first time
that the African world had come together in such a convention,

(02:23:14):
and Garvey and the UNIA was at the center of it.
But what's come from that is not only the agenda
of the UNIA to move black people forward worldwide, but
also the flag that we use. People call it the
Pan African flag of red, black and green that was
introduced during the conference. So on August thirteenth, nineteen twenty,

(02:23:36):
they introduced this what we now call the Pan African flag.
So people are familiar with the red, the black, and
the green, and they associate that with the Great Garvey
and his movement. And one of the things that's important
to know is people probably are aware that red represents
struggle and bloodshed, the black and the flag represents the people,

(02:23:59):
and green represents the land. It represents progress in the land.
So if you look at the order of the flag,
so struggle is the most important thing, red and then
black and green. It's very important to know that this
flag was the colors were flipped by Garby. Most people

(02:24:20):
don't ask the question where did these colors come from.
Garby didn't just imagine this. Garby was introduced to a
flag that was a different color order it was black, red,
and then green, so the people were more important than
the original flag that was adopted by Garby in the
u Nia the current Pan African flag. So this flag

(02:24:44):
was the Madi. So in Sudan it was the Maighti
rebellion in eighteen eighties and eighteen nineties. This is the
flag they adopted in Sudan as they struggled against the
imperialism of the British and the Egyptian who were imposing
their authority on Sudan. So the Mahdi rose up in

(02:25:07):
a rebellion and the Mahdi flag had black, red, and green.
It's important to know that black representing the people, were first.
So this Madi revolt by black folks in Sudan. They
have like a crescentt but in a white crescent. But
the first color was the people black. So the connection

(02:25:31):
between Garvey and this Madi flag is dus Muhammad Ali
uh This was a man who was born in Egypt
and his father was fighting in the Egyptian army and
dus Muhammad Ali in his family. They have connections on
his mother's side to Sudan. So when deus Muhammad Ali's

(02:25:53):
father was fighting with Egypt, against the people in Sudan.
They certainly was well aware of the Madi flag in
the Madi Rebellion, the black, redding green flag. So Deuce
Muhammad Ali was in Egypt for ten years and he
had to have known and certainly would have known, had

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to have known, didn't know about the Madi flag of
black reading green. So when duce Muhammad Ali then goes
to England in nineteen thirteen, Garvey is in England. He's
in London and he was mentored by Deuce Muhammad Ali.
As a matter of fact, Garvey wrote for his paper

(02:26:35):
African Times and Orient Review the African Times in Orient Review.
So Garby went to Duce Muhammad Ali acts to work,
which he allowed Garvey to do, and this helped Garvey
to you know, write and express himself. But he was
introduced to the Madi colors of black, redd, and green

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in nineteen thirteen. Seven years later, the Honorable Marcus Garvey
at that convention introduces the flag with the same three colors,
but he flipped it so instead of black representative people,
red and green, he flipped it to red, black and green. Initially,
what we're looking at now is red being first. The

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problem is This is that we cannot always associated black
people with fighting and struggle. So people are more important
than just always struggling. So this is something that we
should know as important history.

Speaker 4 (02:27:28):
Yeah, and hold that thought right there, three away from
the top there. When we come back, though, you mentioned
at that meeting at Madison Square Garden, twenty five thousand
folks from all old black folks from all over the
world attended. How did Garby manage to attract so many people? Hint,
no telephones, no and no Wi Fi. A male to
sours and people. How did he attract so many black

(02:27:49):
people to that event? I'll let you explain to that
when we get back. Family, you two can join our discussion.
The Professor Mainnu, I and Pin reach out to us
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Speaker 1 (02:28:00):
Next, you're fracking with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fracking with the most submiss yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:28:37):
And grand rising family. I guess it's Professor May new
MPUM and we're discussing Marcus Garvey. Before we do that, though,
let me just shout out our brothers and sisters in
New York today is the New York Carnival Parade. And
it used to be called a West Indian Day Parade.
I think it was the official title. It started back
in the fifties. It is the largest parade in New
York City. When you think about New York City, this

(02:28:58):
big city with eight million people, and the Irish, American Irish,
the Italian Day Parade, Dominicanah Parade, all the other folks
pera and the largest one and those take place in Manhattan,
but the largest one takes place in Brooklyn. So they'll
be partying along Eastern Parkway this morning. So folks, you know,
enjoy yourself. And again they just changed the name. It's
not called the New York Carnival Parade. Anyway. Let's go

(02:29:19):
back to Professor ma A and new MPM Professor am
pim you Marcus Garby, he had all these folks show
up at the garden. And since we're talking about New
York show up at the garden. How did he manage
to do that? Though you know we know telephones, uh
so to speak, well, how do you how do people
find out about this event?

Speaker 5 (02:29:37):
Yeah? It was a great, great question. Uh you know,
one thing people should recognize that with all of the
telephones we have now on cell phones and internet and
so forth, word of mouth is still far more powerful
than any other form of communication. Believe it or not,
I mean word of mouth, and it's still very powerful.

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Sometimes gadgets don't work, sometimes you don't have a connect,
sometimes you don't have it with you. But people can
always and do always talk, so word of mouth. But
the biggest way other than word of mouth throughout the
African world was the Negro World newspaper. So the Negro
World was a newspaper, a weekly newspaper that was founded

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in August of nineteen eighteen, so they had a huge distribution.
In fact, at the heyday of the Negro World newspaper
they were distributing two hundred thousand copies a week in
about in more than forty countries. That was at the
heyday of the Negro World. But that was the primary

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voice of the UNIA and Marcus Garvey was the Negro World,
which was far more successful than The Crisis, which was
the NAACP's newspaper. So these were rival newspapers, but the
Negro World was far more successful and had had the
most widest distribution of any black newspaper worldwide, and so
it was through the Negro World that they were able

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to publicize this international conference that took place in the
whole month of August. And a lot of this is
interesting because August is a month that comes up regularly
in the history of the UNIA. But August seventeenth is
the birthday also the honorable Marcus Garvey. That's the day
that they founded the Negro World newspaper, and that's the

(02:31:25):
month that they had this historic conference where they introduced
the flag that we still use today.

Speaker 4 (02:31:32):
Before after the top and the folks you mentioned it
was more popular than the NAACP's newspaper. Was this where
the I guess the rivalry started, you know, the jealousy
if you will, started against Marcus Gove.

Speaker 5 (02:31:45):
Yeah, that was definitely a part of it because W. E. B.
Du Bois and the NAACP had been operating since it
was founded in nineteen oh nine and it's still the
largest civil rights organization in the world today. So there
was a rival where you had have the boys who
was very light skinned. He's of African descent, but his
family's actually mixed. Plus the boys had all of this

(02:32:09):
academic training, went to Harvard. But then you have this
West Indian brother from Jamaica, Marcus Garvey, without the formal education,
who was very dark skinned, you know, black skinned, dark
skinned brother who comes to the US from Jamaica and
had more success than the boys in the NAACP in

(02:32:31):
galvanizing the imagination of black people to rise up, get
black people to rise up and develop their own economic institution.
It was Marcus Garvey who said it was Africa for
the Africans, those at home and those abroad. It was
Marcus Garvey that was more influential than du Bois in
the NAACP. So there were a lot of folks here

(02:32:53):
in the US who were jealous of Garvey. And then
there's these public debates and arguments that took place as
Garvey was building his movement. So yeah, that definitely had
a lot to do with it. And that is the
fact that the newspaper was very successful. In the newspaper
wasn't just any old newspaper. It attracted a lot of
respected people at the time, including scholars who contributed to

(02:33:16):
the Negro world. So it was very difficult to present
Garby as some charlatan or some quack. No, this was
a legitimate leader who was able to organize millions of
people black people around the world, but also to have
a lot of branches right here in the US. And
the newspaper was a central component of building Garvey and

(02:33:41):
his movement.

Speaker 4 (02:33:42):
But what was it about Marcus Garvey? Though that I
know he could speak well. I think he had an accent,
but he spoke well. But what was it that attracted
so many folks from all walks of life all over
the diaspeca to Marcus Goffy?

Speaker 6 (02:33:57):
What was it?

Speaker 4 (02:33:57):
Was he charisma or it is struck a nerve? How
do you see what happened?

Speaker 5 (02:34:03):
Well, the way I said, he was an organizer. He
was an organizer and he was a builder. So when
Garvey presented to do for self philosophy, it made sense.
This is the time of strict racial segregation, and Garvey
was arguing due for self. In fact, Garvey actually agreed
with the KKK. He agreed with them in the sense
that we can't live together and we shouldn't be together.

(02:34:24):
He agreed with them, And so even though it was
a distant relationship, it was cordial in the sense that
we have the same goals. It's just that the KKK
were violent criminals, and Garby only agreed with them in
the separation part of it. But Garvey's plan, his program
developed businesses and newspapers and a shipping line and the

(02:34:48):
Black Cross, nurses and all kinds of other businesses. This
was very, very important for black people to build an
independent economic economy, an economic system that was self contained,
and this is what Garvey was looking at. He saw
black people as a nation within a nation looking for nationality,

(02:35:12):
and so Garvy his his view made far more sense
than trying to cozy up with white folks and be
under their thumb. He said there should be no white
king over black people. And Garvey pointed out that every
nation uh they do for themselves, whether it was in Asia,
in Europe, or any other place in the world, and

(02:35:32):
that black people are ones that had not rose up
to defend their own interests. And what motivated Garvey and
those who were at the convention was that the white
folks were saying that every nation in the world has
a flag other than the Kun, so called Kun. The
Kun didn't have a flag, and so this is one
of the popular songs that about a kuon black folks

(02:35:56):
in a derogatory songs than the black folks not have
a flag, and the white supremacist was the racist was right,
we didn't have a flag. So this is what motivated
Garvey in the UNIA to create their own flag. But
this this struck in accord with Black people because no
one had come around like Garvey organizing branches of this

(02:36:18):
organization around the world. I found out when I went
to Nicaragua back in nineteen eighty seven. I had no idea,
It never even occurred to me to even think about
a branch of the UNIA in Blue Fields, which is
on the east coast of Nicaragua, that there was a
branch there, a branch in China, branches in Africa as well.

(02:36:40):
So this global outlook is which caught the black imagination.
So nobody was able to look only locally around Garvey.
Garvey had a true Pan African point of view and
perspective and was building here locally in the US and
economic system so that we could be a nation within

(02:37:01):
a nation. This made far more sense than only protesting
against lynching, and Garvey went beyond that and it caught
the imagination of people, and Garveyism should always be talked
about in the context of the Harlem Renaissance in the
nineteen twenties. It doesn't just happen now. Garvey and Garbyism
was also a part of that great movement. So it

(02:37:22):
was just Garvey with the right message at the right time,
with the right program that people were on board within
the millions.

Speaker 4 (02:37:31):
All right, family ten half the top there, Professor Man
and paying we talking about Marcus Garvey right now, Professor
Marcus Govey relationship with Booker T. Washington, were they close?
And that whole thing with the rivalry with with Dubois.
Interesting enough, Marcus Govin, I understand, Maybe correct me if
I'm wrong. And never made it to Africa. Yet the
boy made it to Africa. It's buried in Africa. Can

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you address all those issues far us?

Speaker 5 (02:37:55):
Yeah, for sure. I mean you know what people have
done the disassociate Garvey with the back to Africa movement,
and that's it. And this is in textbooks and other things.
This is a distortion of Garvey's message. Garvey never traveled
to Africa. He went to Europe multiple times, but he
never made it to Africa. That wasn't his main point.

(02:38:17):
Garvey said that, yeah, if people go back to Africa.
You should go back if you can contribute, if you
have something positive and constructive to contribute, But not just
to go back. He said, you need to go back
in terms of culturally and mentally, but you need to
build here wherever you are locally. So Garby never traveled
to the African continent. That was by a choice. No
one stopped him from doing that. But Garvey was more

(02:38:40):
focused on building independently, and this is why he was fond.
Before Garvey came to the US for the first time,
he was fond of and had great respect for Booker T.
Washington because Booker T. Washington, he established the Tuskegee Institute
in eighteen eighty one and then to the Skeegee Institute,

(02:39:01):
was focused on students being independent, knowing about carpentry and
brick lane and homemaking and farming. So for Booker T. Washington,
it was a focus on developing independent skills that had
nothing to do with the racists who were part of

(02:39:23):
gym Co segregation stopping black people from moving forward. Booker T.
Washington his focus was on economic development internally, and this
is what attracted Garby. So Garby had made a commitment
to come to the US and to visit and to
meet with for the very first time Booker T. Washington.
But Booker T. Washington passed away the same just before

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Garby came. So this was in nineteen fifteen, just weeks
before Garby came to meet Booker T. Washington, he passed away.
So Garby had the same view of being independent, just
like Booker T. Washington than in the Tuskegee Institute. And
both of these men were focused on building institutions, whereas
with the NAACP, which is an important organization, they were

(02:40:09):
more focused on protests, on protests and highlighting the vicious
public attacks and lynching of black people. And this was
the main This was the main focus of NAACP as
opposed to building independent institutions. So when Garvey came to
the US in nineteen fifteen, the differences between Dubois and

(02:40:31):
Booker T. Washington now became the differences between du Bois
and Marcus Garvey. And but Dubois and some others they
took it further. They were upset that Garvey had more success.
He was not born in the US, he was dark skinned,
and so they were debating about who was most successful

(02:40:53):
in who people should follow. So having differences is one thing,
but we also have to know that that uh, that
book that w B the Boyce took it further and
said that Garvey was black and ugly. He took it
to that level publicly. So it was it so you
can see the jealousy. It's not just a difference in

(02:41:15):
program and opinion and now it's uh, it's uh, it's
more of focusing on his color and uh and having
divisions within the race based on color. So yeah, there
was a clear difference between the two, as there was
a clear difference between Booker T and the boys. We

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people think unless they haven't, unless they've upgraded their information.
In the old days, like twenty years ago, people thought
that Booker T. Washington was a so called Uncle Tom.
He said, you know, don't worry about what's happening. This
cast down your bucket where you are. You say you
don't have water? What do you mean you're on a boat.
Just cast down your bucket and all of the waters there.

(02:41:57):
And Booker T would say, nope, don't focus on on
the political aspects of lynching and what was happening publicly,
just built internally. And people said that's to sellout, But
they didn't know that the pinantropists like Andrew Carnegie in
still making billions of dollars that Carnegie and others were

(02:42:19):
they gave money to Tuskegee Institute, and yes they did,
but Booker T. Washington, we now know, was secretly giving
some of these moneys and resources to those that were
fighting publicly against the vicious Jim Crow system of lynching
black folks. So we now know that Booker T was
just very sophisticated how he was helping to deal with

(02:42:41):
the political aspect while publicly he was dealing with the
economic development that had to take place. So this is
why Garvey agreed with Booker T. And why Garvey had
the same opponents that Booker T had because there were
those that just did not agree with inturn development. They
wanted to be focused more on the political aspect. But

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Garvey drew a lot of enemies in the US and
that's ultimately what took down Garvey and the Garvey movement.
When the FBI, which was a new organization, they trumped
up charges against the honorible Marcus Garvey and said he
was engaged in mail fraud and that they didn't pay
the investors with the Black starline. But yeah, they didn't

(02:43:26):
pay because the accounts had been frozen. So Jago Hoover
was instrumental in taking down the honorable Marcus Garvey and
splitting up the UNIA, and they got help from a
lot of people internally. So that's what happened to the
great Unia movement in the nineteen twenties and the great

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philosophy and practice of Garbyism, which we respect today. So
we have to look at Garbyism and the great influence
and also look at, as I mentioned, the flag and
other things that were contributed over one hundred years ago.

Speaker 4 (02:43:59):
The US TEP aside for a few months, we'll come
back there. I want to look at uh not Booker
t but the boy. The boy so we wanted to
call him uh Se sounds like a French name. First
of all, let you explain that with his name and
the fact that he started the Talented tenth which was
later be known as the Boulet. And those of you
who go to Ghana go to the Boys Center and

(02:44:19):
you'll see the actual charter with all the signatures the
charter manbags who started the Boulet. Explain that first, when
we get back, Professor Manuel to being family. You want
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Speaker 1 (02:44:38):

Speaker 4 (02:45:01):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks just staying with us on
this Monday morning, September the first, twenty twenty five. I
guess there's Professor mayn new MPIM and teachers a Contracsta
college out in California get a history lesson this morning.
And my question to you, Professor MP before we left
for the break was the boulet started by du Bois
at the Talented Tenth. Can you explain was this a

(02:45:22):
reaction to Garvey's why they decided to start the boulet?

Speaker 5 (02:45:27):
Well, I know that the Talented tenth was not a
response to Garvey. It's just that that w boy himself
had an elite education, is the first black person to
get a PhD from Harvard for example. So he believed
and he became an activist, so Garby So the boys

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with the Bois, the boy said it certainly is a
French name. He believed that they would be the top
ten percent those college educated black people, which was rare
even now, most people don't go to college. But the
Boys believe that it was this elite group that would
get not only the academic credentials, but they would learn
the skills and then use these skills in this opportunity

(02:46:12):
once they finished their schooling to go back and help
the ninety percent. So he called it the talented tenths,
just based on looking at the condition of black people,
and he believed that's what needed to be done. But
we know that's not how it works. People get their degrees,
they have this training, and they certainly do for self.

(02:46:33):
With the Grave said do for self, event do for
all of us, meaning self collected self. But you know
a lot of black folks simply become capitalists. And I
know this because I was at Morgan State University in
the eighties, and you know, the most popular degree was
in business. I have a business degree even before I
started my former work in African and studies, and you know,

(02:46:56):
the focus is on maximizing profits and minimizing losses. But anyway,
but the Boys believed that the top group, the educated group,
would help the majority. So I think he was a
legitimate leader. He was in the Pan African movement. But
you can see the insecurity of the boys when he

(02:47:17):
began to attack Jannoba Marcus Garby. So instead of recognizing
someone else who had a different approach but was also
a legitimate approach, he decided to attack, and of course
nobody directed. I don't see any evidence in studying this
that someone directed the boys to do this, or he
had some grand conspiracy because he was a respected activist

(02:47:40):
at the time and nobody suspected him involved with some
criminal operation and activity. So I don't really know about
that aspect of the Boulet, but I do know that
it was in the nineteen eighties that Steve Cochley is
the one person that popularized and started talking about the
boulet and all of the details. So since that time time,

(02:48:00):
people in our community have been talking about the boulet
and who's a member, who's a part of it as
a way to explain something that they don't like about
the person, and I think people have taken it overboard.
I mean in French, you know, if you use boulet
and just a regular French person, it means but it
means something round but or ass. That's literally what it

(02:48:21):
means when people are referring to it today in French.
But if the name and it really comes from ancient Greece,
it was like a council, some kind of advisory body
to the noble class in ancient Greece. So that's part
of the history. But in terms of du Bois, I'm
not familiar with any agenda that he had regarding the Boulet,

(02:48:45):
but I do know this talented tenth was it was
a good idea. People were trying to figure it out,
but that's just not how it works. People in academia
tend to be more selfish and more capitalistic in their
approach as opposed to being altruistic to help others. It
would be great if that was the case, but that's
just not how it works for most people. With education,

(02:49:07):
some of us, like the great doctor that was on,
you know, we can use our education we come from
the community to help the community. But that's not the norm,
and that's not really expected. People go to college to
get the degrees to maximize their earning potential, and it
usually doesn't go beyond that for most people.

Speaker 4 (02:49:23):
All Right, twenty five of the topic. Let me just
share with this Steve Cokeley. We used to call them
the Bulet buster. In one of the programs he was on,
he read the names out of every member of every
member of the Boulet, every state that they were in.
And I gotta tell you, we got some calls from
some prominent members in our community with wanted to know
because their wives didn't even know there were members of

(02:49:44):
the buleg That's how secret he was. He also mentioned
it was an offshoot of what the Scull and Bones
that was created at Yale, but it's a whole different part.
We don't want to go down today, but long live
the spirit of Steve Cochley for sharing that information with us.
Let me ask you this, though, profession Ampin. Is there
any any information or any spectacle whether or not that

(02:50:05):
the Boy dropped the dime uh with the Feds on
Marcus Garvey? Did he go that far?

Speaker 6 (02:50:10):
Do we know?

Speaker 9 (02:50:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:50:12):
I think that the Boys and the NAACP were definitely
sharing information about Garvey and to help take down the movement,
and they were pretty active in doing that. They were
they were definitely very active and they got so not
only members of the NAACP, certainly the Boys. Was that's

(02:50:33):
in line with the attacks on Garvy and there was
no protection, no defense whatsoever. So yeah, they were certainly
uh in line with the fact that the government, and
more specifically the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation was
created with Jego Hoover to go after Garvey. That was
one of the primary missions. And they they definitely fed

(02:50:56):
the FBI direct information to to take down Garbian, lineup
witnesses against him. And this is unfortunate, but that's what happened,
you know, and so but it doesn't take away from
so many other things, so many other work on the NAACP,
but it does show that there were problems and there
were issues, and there's always going to be problems and issues.

(02:51:18):
We can look at the nineteen sixties. We can look
at the movement, the civil rights organizations. In the nineteen
fifties and early nineteen sixties, the NAACP worked with CORE,
they work with SNICK, they work with SCLC. But we
see by nineteen sixty six the movement split, and when
the movement split with the birth of the Black Power

(02:51:39):
movement in June of nineteen sixty six, all those organizations
that they worked together, now there was a fundamental split
where the NAACP stayed on the civil rights focus, whereas
the other groups, the SCLC and the Young Black Activists
in Core the Congress of Racial Equality and the Young
Black Activists SNICK the Student Non Bounding Coordinating Committee. They

(02:52:03):
then initiated and led the Black Power movement, and then
the SCLC. Doctor King's organization went with the Young Activists
and embraced black power, initially as a concept, and then
doctor King started to use black power as even a slogan,
which he didn't agree with his first and they were
on one side, and the NAACP and the Urban League

(02:52:25):
and people like John Lewis who had left SNICK, they
stayed on the civil rights side. And then some of
them like a Philip Randolph and Whitney Young and na
they actually became critics, outspoken critics of doctor King. And
so you know, we see that the NAACP has done
very important work. When something happens, somebody gets there behind

(02:52:48):
handed to them on a platter these days, at the
job or something else, the first thing they're going to
do is go to the NAACP. So that there is
you know, a long history. It's the oldest civil rights
organization in the world. But there's also problems in contradictions
as well, and this is why young people typically don't
join the in DOUBLEACP, because they're saying, hey, look, we

(02:53:09):
understand the need to keep your name the National Association
for the Advancement of Colored People, but we're not with that.
We don't call ourselves colored now. So this is part
of the problems that you have a lot of older
folks in the NAACP that mean well, that are doing well,
but in some ways they're really out of touch and

(02:53:30):
it's difficult to reach the young people who see things
very differently in the twenty first century. So we see contradictions,
we see problems, but that doesn't dismiss all of the
work that they've done, because a lot of the great cases,
a lot of the great work in the nineteen sixties
in DOUBLEACP, was in the middle of that work. But
it doesn't mean that there's not contradictions from the early

(02:53:51):
days going against Garvey, even in nineteen sixties. As I mentioned,
so people have to look at the whole picture that
which is what I do, as we look at what
has happened and where we are now.

Speaker 4 (02:54:04):
Well, let me just add at thirty minutes to the
top of that fort. Take some calls here a good Marshall,
thir good Marshall is also I wouldn't say spine, but
it's informing the FBI about Martin King as well. So
people didn't know that that came out with the Freedom
of Information acting and people look away for a third
good Marshall. Everybody's thinking out the great Thurgod Marshall. Yeah,
he was one of those who are trying to ride

(02:54:24):
out doctor King. But anyway, Professor, I don't know if
you know about that, but we'll get some folks want
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Speaker 5 (02:54:41):
Grand Rising.

Speaker 9 (02:54:42):
I wanted to say, was the NAACP is it's still
funded and started with the white Jewish community.

Speaker 5 (02:54:51):
And the other question is.

Speaker 9 (02:54:52):
Did you mention about Marcus Garvey was had his own
shipping and the boys. He was more into the grading
once he got educated by the white man and took
on his education. Now I felt that he's wanted to
integrate with where Marcus didn't want to do that. He
wanted was strictly black four blacks.

Speaker 5 (02:55:15):
Yeah, we did talk about the Black Star shipping line. Yes, uh,
international commerce is very important and yeah, but you have
to also know that the Voice was an outspoken critic
of the American system as well. So he wasn't just
interested in integrating. He just didn't conceive of a whole

(02:55:35):
economy within an economy among black people. There's very few
people that ever had that kind of vision, and that
was not the vision of the Boys. But the Boys
is one of the most important people with being part
of the international the Pan African movement, and so we
credited him for that. Like for example, I remember the

(02:55:58):
Voice was the editor of the christ magazine and when
The Boys was in Europe at the time, there's actually
an audio tape of the Boy saying that in an
interview in England. In an interview, he said that he
had received a letter from one of the one of
the patrons of the Crisis newspaper who criticized The Boys
and said, look, you're over in Europe airing American dirty laundry.

(02:56:21):
You need to stop American airing American dirty laundry. Otherwise
I'm going to end my subscription to your paper. And
the boy said you shouldn't have dirty laundry in the
first place. I'm going to continue talking about the lynching
of black people. This is savage and it's unacceptable, and
you can go ahead and in your subscription, but we're
definitely going to talk about it here in England. We're

(02:56:43):
going to write about it in the Cristis.

Speaker 6 (02:56:45):
This is very.

Speaker 5 (02:56:46):
Important, so we don't dismiss that. But Garvey's message and
program is far more important in terms of not just
talking about things, not just having a newspaper. Those things matter,
but what's more important is developing a an economic infrastructure,
which the Garby Movement began to do with seamstresses and

(02:57:08):
black cross nurses and and and laundry mats and many
other things. This was very significant, uh, as you know
in the Garby movement, So this is more important moving forward.
I might have missed one part of your question, but anyway,
uh uh, that's that's what I was sharing.

Speaker 4 (02:57:28):
All right, Thank you. Freedom calling some Pittsburgh twenty eight
away from the topic, Let's go to Baltimore. Brother, say
Coup's there online. Three Grand rise and brother, say coup
your question for a professor am Pim.

Speaker 5 (02:57:38):
John bo didn't w D. Dubois.

Speaker 2 (02:57:42):
He invented the town's the tenths concept, but he also
denounced it and said the only thing that the town
the tenth was towned that was imitating European Did you
not say that.

Speaker 5 (02:57:56):
I'm not familiar with him denouncing it, but I do
know that he was a part of that very class,
So I'm not sure that he denounced it. If so,
you can always send that to me and I'll take
a look at it. But that was his main focus,
and this is why there was an ongoing dispute because

(02:58:17):
Booker T. Washington and Marcus Garvey, these were men that
work with their hands, you know, to develop practical trades,
and that's something that's not part of the experience of
the boys. He's more of an intellectual who wasn't working
with his hands. But so this is why he always

(02:58:39):
thought that other people would be like him and get
a formal education and then reached back to help the
rest of the community. But he did not have, you know,
practical experience in any kind of apprenticeship or a trade
like Garvey and like Booker T. Washington. So this part
of the part of the differences. But the bottom line
is they were all working to move the communit four.

(02:59:00):
But you know, we can look at at different eras
there's differences, and the issue is is is not to
not be used, to not not be used by the
government against other organizations just because there's a difference. But
we see the cunniness of the FBI, and you know,
these people had an agenda from the very founding of

(02:59:23):
the organization and some people were used. You know, it's
amazing how you can buy somebody off. You know, something
that's very interesting too, brother Carl, is that when garb
when they're Trump trumped up charges against Garvey were issued
so called mail fraud in nineteen twenty three, and they
bustled up to Garby movement. It's amazing how much violence

(02:59:45):
there was within the end, within the u NIA and
the different splinter groups. It's amazing how these folks would
just take somebody out because they didn't agree with their
branch or their interpretation of Garby is coming out of
that particular organization. That's something that really surprised me, the

(03:00:05):
level of not just hostility but violence within former members
of the United u ni A and this was important
for me to look at because it explained how it
is that, you know, we have some of these folks
that have still had that kind of mentality even now.
You know, when I was on the East Coast, i

(03:00:26):
started and there's some groups here in the open area.
So anyway, there's much work for us to do, and
so it's important for us to look at this in
terms of learning.

Speaker 4 (03:00:38):
And that's what we try to do here each and
every day. But you know, speaking to what brother Saiku said,
one of the things Steve Koche told us before we
went to Ghana on one of our trips to gone,
they said, make sure you go buy to the Boys
Center where he's buried, and you'll see the Boulet charter.
And I actually saw it with my own eyes, saw
the Bulet charter, all the names because they preserved it
in some glass, and you see all the names of

(03:00:58):
the people who started the bull, the charter, members of
the Boulet. So I don't know if he did that,
denounce the talent of death white and take that from
America and bring it to Ghana where he's buried in
his library and all his books are there as well.
And you know, the next time you guys get a
chance to go to Ghana, please stop by the du
Bois Center. You'll see where he's buried. He's buried outside

(03:01:19):
in sort of it's not even a crypto, and you'll
go inside where he studies because they take tours there,
and you'll see and look for the Boulet charter. You'll
see it. It's in the round glass there along with
these other books. Twenty four minutes away from the top
of our Founily got a step aside for a few minutes.
When we come back, though, Carl and Ray want to
join the discussion, you too can do the same thing.
All you have to do is reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six

(03:01:42):
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Speaker 1 (03:01:47):

Speaker 8 (03:02:00):
You give me the show.

Speaker 4 (03:02:10):
And Grand Rising Family fans are staying with us on
this Monday morning here the first day of September. Our
guest is Professor May New MPM. Before we go back
to you, let's remind you coming up in the next
few days, you're going to hear from medical doctor and
grill doctor Charles Finch, also Professor ganaka Logoke from Lincoln
University will be here. He's going to talk about this.
Ahald Nations Grill Baba La Bomba will also check in
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(03:02:32):
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(03:02:52):
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As I mentioned, folks want to speak to professor Mpim
Carls reaching out to us. He's gone from West Palm
Beach in Florida's online four Grand Rising call you a
question for a professor Am Pim Grand Rising family.

Speaker 14 (03:03:11):
My question for brother Penn is are you familiar with
eighteen seventy seven when they had the negro problem? When
they was so called I think he was the President
of the United States, Rutherford, and he set up that
first thing where they decided what they were going to
teach us, how they were going to teach us morality
and labor. Are you familiar with that time period?

Speaker 5 (03:03:32):
I'm familiar with the time period year eighteen seventy seven.
That was the end of the so called reconstruction. What
the particular thing that you're referring to, I'm not familiar
with that.

Speaker 14 (03:03:44):
Okay, Well, if you looked into that, they met at
Lake Mohawk, New York, and that's when they was deciding
to set up the system that we would when we
talk about the boys and everybody else. They there wasn't
in control, just like now we are not in control.
They got a system that's in place, they put in place,
and then they always pick the ones that they want
to utilize, just like they pick their people with the

(03:04:05):
best brains. And lastly, are you familiar with the time
period between fifteen fifty five and sixteen nineteen. Everybody always
have a lot of cost questions about that that era.
The sixty four thousand dollars question.

Speaker 5 (03:04:18):
Thank you man, okay, I appreciate it. Yeah, you know,
there's always meetings. There's you can find meetings, you can
find minutes, you know, and so that's not unusual. But
you mentioned eighteen seventy seven. Keep in mind Garvey was
not born until ten years after that, so a lot
of the meetings and ideas they don't necessarily come to fluition.

(03:04:42):
So we have to see exactly how a particular idea
or policy impacts particular groups. We can do that with
the with cointelpro We can directly do that because we
can see those documents in the late nineteen sixties and
exactly how the FBI used their plan and program that

(03:05:05):
was issued in memorandum to the to the different FBI
offices to discredit black organizations and groups and to get
them to fight among each other. We saw that specifically,
So that's what I would say. We want to make
sure that any kind of meeting and minutes and plans

(03:05:27):
they directly impact what it is that we are what
we're saying. But again Garvey, in the conflict between Garby
and the Boys, for example, that doesn't take place to
the twentieth century, so this would have been more than
a quarter century after the time period you're referring to.

Speaker 4 (03:05:43):
All right fifteen away from the top. All let's keep moving.
Let's go to New York City's race waiting for us.
He's online three grant rising Ray you want with Professor Impim, Yes.

Speaker 8 (03:05:52):
Thank you a moment, Sorry, sir, sorry about that. Okay now,
Professor I'm I'm just calling to give you some correct
information about the FBI, because you said that the FBI
was created pacifically to go after Garvey, and that's not true.
The FBI started in nineteen o eight and the first

(03:06:14):
director was Stanley Finch. The second one was a guy
named Bruce Spy Alaski, I believe in nineteen thirteen, and
at the time it was called the Bureau of Investigation
Boy for short. It changed the name in nineteen thirty
three to the United States feder biod Investigation and became

(03:06:38):
the FBI in nineteen thirty five. The Bureau did not
have powers of arrest. Those were the Federal marshals, so
the people who were arrested Garvey were federal marshals outside
of Detroit. However, the first if you want to call
him an FBI agent, which he wasn't, he was with
the Bureau of Investigation. Spy was in the Garvey and

(03:07:00):
it was a friend of Govery's that he hand picked
himself to be in the organization. But the reason why
I'm pointing that out is because I've heard other scholars
come on call show and say what you said, that
that the FBI was created to go after Garvey, and
it was the FBI when it was not. And the
FBI was created nineteen oh eight to answer one criminals

(03:07:23):
who crossed state lines and two to combat the rising
anarchy anarchist problem in the United States. So I want
to know what we say about that. I mean, I
researched this.

Speaker 5 (03:07:35):
Okay, well, let's be very clear. So the FBI was created,
I mentioned specifically Jeriegal Hoober.

Speaker 8 (03:07:41):
J Peberhober came later on.

Speaker 5 (03:07:44):
No, no, no, he did not. Jaego Hoover was officially
hired in nineteen twenty four. His specific goal, the specific
mission of Jaego Hoover was to go after and destroy Garvy.
And so well, this was this specific mission as a
top FBI official. That was the original mission of Jago Hoover.

(03:08:10):
This is well established. You can go to the FBI's website.

Speaker 8 (03:08:13):
I have done that, sir, and it was it was
not called RBI in nineteen twenty four.

Speaker 5 (03:08:20):
Bro listen here, if you go to FBI dot gov,
just go to the website, and I've done that. But
when did Hoover start? Then if you've done that, what's.

Speaker 8 (03:08:33):
The year did he He did come in around that time?
You said, as a matter of fact, he was involved
in federigal before nineteen twenty four, but he didn't come
the head of the Bureau of Investigation until nineteen tenergraud
the Bureau, not the FBI, and they did not have
powers arrest. They spied on people, and it was the
federal marshals who actually arrested you because they weren't allowed

(03:08:55):
to carry guns yet and they didn't have the authority
to cross state line.

Speaker 5 (03:09:01):
Well, okay, the bottom line is that the FBI. Keep
in mind that Garvey was not in the US in
nineteen oh eight.

Speaker 8 (03:09:13):
That's why I said they didn't create them to go
after him.

Speaker 5 (03:09:15):
So well, the FBI and Jago Hoover, he was put
in position for one reason to go after Garby, which
is what he did. This is why he was hired,
and so they trumped up charges in nineteen twenty three
against Garvey and Hoover was hired in nineteen twenty four,
and this is why they went after Garby with a

(03:09:37):
bogus trial in nineteen right at that time, so they
put him in prison in nineteen twenty five. These are
the absolute facts. So the bottom line is that, as
I mentioned, j Egar Hoover was hired specifically in the
FBI to go after and to take out Garby.

Speaker 4 (03:09:56):
Right, And both of you are basically correct. And what
I did I just researched while you were talking. It
says the Jacobs was an attorney and Launchponces administrator who
served the fifth and final director the Bureau of Investigation
the BOI, and he was the first director of the FBI.
So both you're kind of correct there. So you know,
we knew he went after Garvey. But and so thanks Ray,

(03:10:19):
thanks for sharing that with us. At September seventeenth, Coming up,
Professor Ampen, why is that why we should be noted
about what happened on September seventeenth, Well.

Speaker 5 (03:10:30):
That's that's a Constitution day. So the US Constitution was
adopted on September seventeenth, seventeen eighty seven, and so because
it was adopted on that day, then it went into
effect two years later. But going back to seventeen eighty seven,
that's when the so called gentleman or part of the

(03:10:52):
founding fathers established the Constitution. So you know, around the
country there's going to be different events acknowledging Institution Day.
And we should look at that because it is still
seen today as some great document. You know, people are
still claiming that America is the greatest country in the world,
and they were there citing the Constitution. Well, the Constitution

(03:11:13):
when it was adopted in seventeen eighty seven, it was
badly flawed. It was a flawed document because most of
the men at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, they were
slave owners and slave trainers, traders. So they created a
constitution to look after and support their interest. And their

(03:11:35):
interest was to maintain their system of control. And so
there are five articles and sections in the Constitution which
support and condone slavery in the slave trade. There's Article one,
Section two, Article one, Section nine, there's Article four, section two.
In all of article five, the entire article. This how

(03:11:56):
slick they were. All of Article five is to make
sure that the other articles can't be changed. So they
protected their interests. But this is the Constitution that was
flawed from the beginning, and this is why there's been
twenty seven changes or twenty seven amendments to the Constitution
because it was flawed early on and it supported the

(03:12:18):
buying selling of Africans and that's embedded in the constitution.
So immediately when the Civil War ended slavery in eighteen
sixty five, immediately there were amendments through the Constitution, like
the thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth Amendment, because the thirteenth Amendment ended slavery,
and the fourteenth Amendment gave citizenship through Africans or anybody

(03:12:41):
else that was born and naturalized in the US. And
then in theory, black men with the fifteenth Amendment in
eighteen seventy were given the right to vote. I mean,
it was great on paper, were able to elect some officials,
but people found a way to get around these amendments
to still take away black rights. So it's important to
know this history as we've come upon September seventeenth and

(03:13:04):
the flaws that were embedded in the Constitution. And so
somebody said, yeah, it's a great document. Yeah it's a
great document. I agree, but it's also greatly flawed because
the men involved were also greatly flawed. We have to
look at this that people are going to be celebrating,
you know, Constitution Day in a few weeks, a couple
of weeks.

Speaker 4 (03:13:23):
I speaking about that some of those amendments. Can they
have conduct? Donald Trumph he wants could he put us
back in slavery? Could it take away our voting rights?
Is it possible that could happen? No?

Speaker 5 (03:13:36):
No, but this but the Supreme Court recently with these amendments,
there's also different sections, so there's different sections that were
not extended. So even with these amendments, it still took
other laws to be passed. So if the country is
going to file the fourteenth Amendment in eighteen sixty eight,

(03:13:57):
there would have been no need for a civil rights
the human rights movement in the nineteen fifties and sixties,
almost a century later. If the country was following the
fourteenth Amendment of guaranteed citizenship, why is your need for movement?
Because these are nice laws on paper but not being followed.
Same thing with the fifteenth Amendment, the so called right
to vote for men, but there had to be the

(03:14:17):
nineteenth Amendment for women to bill to vote, and they
still had to be the Voting Rights Bill even later
in nineteen sixty five. This is the first time in
the history of the country that everybody can vote, at
least on paper. But there's different sections that were to
protect these rights. And you know section two, section five
that no district should be able to change its voting

(03:14:40):
procedure unless it has preclearance from the US government, because
if you have a history of excluding black people from voting,
then you should not be able to simply make changes
to make sure that there's slick ways to keep them
from voting, as was done in the past. In other words, Okay,
you can write, you can vote theoretically, but if you

(03:15:03):
don't know how to read and interpret the Constitution, you
can't vote. So there was a literacy clause. There was
the poll tax. You want to vote, you pay, So
that's what was done in the past. And now you
have the Jerry Mandarin and other things that take place.
So Trump or no one else can directly take away
voting rights. So the Supreme Court, but they can certainly

(03:15:23):
find ways to overlook certain sections that guarantee these different
kind of protections. So it's important to look at this,
and it's not just the current administration, So we have
to look at all the administrations and how black people
have not been able have not been able to make progress.
So the constitution is, it was written years ago and

(03:15:46):
there's great flaws. So people have to definitely look at that,
and we appreciate anybody that's involved with trying to make
sure that people are following the constitutions, following the laws,
and that new laws need to be passed in order
to protect black collective interest.

Speaker 4 (03:16:02):
Got you, I've got to cut it there at Professor
Man New MPM. How can folks reach you? How can
they follow you?

Speaker 5 (03:16:07):
Yes, folks that reach me directly at Mainu MPIM at Gmail.
That's M A n U last name MPIM. That's a
M p I M main New MPM at gmail. You
can call directly at five ten eight seven eight seven
two seventy nine. That's five ten eight seven eight seven

(03:16:28):
two seventy seven, two seventy nine. That's to Advancing the
Research and you can learn about my research also go
to Advancing theresearch dot org and people can follow my work.
But one of the things they're working on is a documentary.
I was in Africa for two months this summer. So
documentary on on on on Ancient push I was in Gambale, Ethiopia.

(03:16:51):
We just finished filming and we have we're now in
the second phase. We're in a post production phase. We
have over about fifty hours of foot that's going through
the most remote villages to learn about the African traditional
life ways. So you can contact me at those in
those areas. You can email, you can call. You can
also go to the website advancementoresearch dot org and learn

(03:17:13):
about the documentary on the Cushite groups in Gambela. And
we're looking for people that can see the value of
the work of being able to put together the complete
history of ancient cush and how that relates to us
today and support the work. So I continue to do
work in the field and make sure that is real
and relevant for those of us here in the dash,

(03:17:35):
particularly in the US.

Speaker 4 (03:17:37):
Thank you, Professor MPN. Thank you for all the information
you shared with us this morning.

Speaker 5 (03:17:42):
So thank you, brother Carl. Glad to be with you.

Speaker 4 (03:17:44):
All right. That's Professor Mannigo Mpim and the family. That's
the and the classes for today. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning six o'clock
right here in Baltimorerow on ten ten WLB. Also in
the DMV on FM ninety five point nine at am
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