Professor Velva Boles on Burkina Faso, Ghana & The Underground Railroad

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The Carl Nelson Show you the most.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for making us part
of your morning ritual. Later, medical doctor and scientist doctor
Velvet Bolls just back from Bikino, Fosso and Ghana. We'll
share her travels with us. Wafore, doctor Bulls, Doctor CHERYLA. Roach,
a distinguished archaeologist and educator, will drop some knowledge about
the underground Rayroad. Doctor Roach will highlight some of the

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lesson known heroes and heroines and also entities who helped
make this escape route so successful. But to get a
started moment told, we speak with activists brother Kbana Rassili
and also doctor James Mackintosh. But let's get Kevin welpened
the classroom doors this Thursday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Grand Rising, indeed, Colonel Nelson, how you're feeling this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm still learning, brother, I'm still in that learning mode.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Hey, nothing wrong with that, nothing at all. You know,
it makes you a better teacher too, by the way.
That's that's the other thing about that. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
So what's training in the news this morning? Anything we
should know? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
The A and C Commissioner says the DC cleaning crews
are more cost efficient than the National Guard.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
That's what he says.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
He says that the costs one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars a day to fund local cleaning crews to maintain
eighty one miles up the district. And it comes after
the DC Joint Task Force announced Tuesday that today they've
cleaned more than three point two miles of old ways.

(02:01):
And meanwhile, he says that the cost per day of
deploying troops in DC is roughly one million dollars. But
doesn't the government always pay more? That's what it says.
That's what he's saying here. He said the cost per
day of deploying the troops in d C is roughly

(02:23):
one million dollars. That's anti Commissioner Samuel Lettaire, he claimed
in a post on x Now. I don't know if
that needs to be fact checked or any of that,
but the Department of Defense hasn't confirmed the costs.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
You've got two entities doing the same job. The streets
in the district must be pristine, right now. You can
eat off of them, right But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I don't know about that, but I think that it's
quite a task cleaning up the city that you know,
it's it's more than a notion. And you know, don't
know whether one hundred and fifty grand to do it
or a million to do it. It's just there just
seems to be, you know, from a casual observer at

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the bus stop, it seems to.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Be somebody's missing some of the streets.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Whether it's a ball and a half or a mill,
you know, somebody's missing it because you know, oftentimes, you know,
people just carelessly toss stuff, and it happens quite frequently.
So we'll see Meanwhile, Mayor Muriel Bouncer says the federal

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surge will end September tenth, so we won't we shouldn't
have any more of those troops.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
But well that's what she says. But you know, Trump
says he's gonna ask for renewal, he's gonna ask for
an extension, but he generally has to go through Congress.
I don't think he did that the last time because
he claimed there was a state of emergency. So we'll see.
I for you, this is that tactic. Then if if
he declares the state of emergence, that means the troops
are there are failing. That didn't work because you you

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can't do that, you know, without Congress. So we'll see
if he goes to Congress and ask them to to
give him the okay to maintain to extend the troops
in the district.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Oh yeah, that's right, because he's also working on going
to Chicago and many of those other states.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Now he threw he threw New Orleans in the mix too.
He talked about New Orleans. So really yeah, that city.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, I mean, while Maryland Governor Wes Moore has been
seen cruising on George Clooney's.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yacht in Italy, that Kevin people concerned with that he's
in Italy with with with George Clooney.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, it's in the news, bruh.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
And yeah, but I'm saying Baltimore News. Baltimore's son, I
saw the story. Yeah, but first they saw the the
you know, they they didn't know that he was there
because the report's a couple of days ago that his
wife was there, you know Italy. Yeah, and now it
turns out, I guess the photographers has finally snapped both
of them and there were cloning. But this goes to

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the thing because Clooney's is a big playing the democratic politics.
You know that he's here's the one actually who who
called for Biden to step aside. And I guess when
when he said that, everybody listened. So people are going
to start connecting some dots and think this is uh,
this may be a precursor having some you know, whether
you know, well, everybody knows the government's got presidential aspirations,

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that's no secret. If he's going to, you know, meet
with Clooney to get his blessings.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, and uh, I guess everybody deserves vacation, but when
you're a public figure, that vacation becomes news. One last thing.
The commanders are they playing tonight? You know commanders?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
You know, well, then I commanded commanders are playing Sunday.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Oh it's Sunday.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Okay, see again sports from a non sports guy, I
tell you. But here's the injury report. Zach Ertz and
he needs rest. Durrance Durance Armstrong is a knee injury.
Noah Brown has a knee injury. Jonathan Jones, Matt Gay
has an illness of some sort at Marcus Mariotta has

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an achilles problems. So good luck when they play on Sunday,
the Giants.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Here's the sidebar for you Kevin th by the Giants.
One of the Coke females in the Koch family just
brought into the Giants. So you know, the Coke family
is behind Project twenty twenty five. One of the stronger
Trumpsters out in the Crew Cruiser. Anyway, they brought into
the New York Giants. So some you know, I will
see how Giants fans react about that. They announced that
this morning. But this is interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
And they don't just let people just walk in.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Oh no, and if you do, you get you you
have some minors shares, like like you know, some of
our athletes have minors shares in these professional sports team.
At one time, Lebron was talking about buying a sports
team and then he you know, they when they saw
the numbers. Man, he's just, oh, I've got a lot
of money, but not that much.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Oh right, right, And I thought it was some sort
of a network where they have to approve whether or
not you buying, because.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, you have to approve. Yeah, the other owners have
to approve. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Before before he was president, President drump tried to buy
a team and they wouldn't allowed it.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
They wouldn't let him in, right right, So he started
his own league. And and when I hear that Lebron
has been flirting with starting his own NBA league, But
we will see if that's the internet rumor, if there's
any reality reality beyond that when he steps down, he
wants to start his own league because he he thinks that,
you know, we're brothers having you know, playing such a
prominent role, yet when it comes to the money control,

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it's the other folks who control it. So that was
the story. But you know, I I take everything on
the Internet with a grain of salt, So we'll see,
because I haven't heard much of it since then. Certainly
seems like a.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Good idea, though, I mean, you know, he's a basketball
expert and he may know a lot about basketball business
as well.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
So right, and he's invested qualified, he's invested in a
soccer team, a big time soccer team in Europe, in
England as a matter of fact, So you know, he's
they're spreading their money around. A lot of these athletes
now investing in professional teams because they see that the
price your money, the return on investment is enormous. You know,

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these teams were once were worth you know, just millions
of dollars now they're worth billions, so you know. Yeah,
so a lot of professional athletes have teamed up in
different sports as well as they're investing in. But it's
interesting to watch that.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, let's keep my eye on that. And that's the
way it is on this Thursday, September, Carl, thanks for
your telling.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Man. All right, all right, classrooms open, family. Kevin just
opened the doors for us, and now let's welcome our guests.
We got activists or brother Forbana Rasilian also doctor James McIntosh,
Grand rising Fellas, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Thanks bless, thanks brother, Thank.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
You sir, doctor James McIntosh. And I know you've been
following this, this whole thing where this this Steph Curry productions.
As we're talking about sports, let's go there first. You
know Steph Curry, Uh the cartoon issue that he did.
What's the very latest with that? Because I understand you
guys were successful and that it won't be renewed. And
do this for me first though some of the because

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we always have some new listeners and they have been
following the news. But what's going on, So give us
a background how this started, how you fellas got involved
in coming up against this this remake of Good Times.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Oh yeah, So we discovered in twenty twenty four, which
was the fiftieth anniversary of the sitcom Good Times, you know,
with James Florida, JJ Tumbler and Mike, that there was
going to be an animation.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
There was going to be a reboot of it, and so,
you know, we didn't know. We just assumed it would
be something respectful. But then we saw the trailer. And
then we saw the trailer and like so many others,
you know, it was just horrible. So many others they
agreed it was horrible. So of course we contacted Simo
Tap and doctor James McIntosh and sister Betty Dobson and
let him know what was going on. And that was

(10:30):
in just before April of twenty twenty four, and you know,
we tried to stop it, you know, before they even
launched it, and so many people just did not like it.
And I think it was April twelfth. It was sometime
around April twelfth that they launched this madness and just
we went in on them. We're like, no, this is unacceptable,
this is disrespectful, and you know, we won't have it.

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And it wasn't just us there was so many I mean,
there was dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of
podcasts and articles and so many people talk even newspaper
editorials dealing with how horrible this animation was.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
And and brother, uh, explain what what's horrible about it?
Because you're saying it's horrible that the listeners are just
you know, give them, give us some examples that they
would really turn somebody's stomach right in right this moment.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Just in the trailer. The trailer had a depicted a
two year old baby that was a drug dealer that
was having a shootout, well not shootout, was being shot
at by three babies, and babies you know, goes into
what we're gonna talk about in a little bit too.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
The babies were depicted as the rapper little baby, the
rapper dub baby and baby baby out of New Orleans.
You know, talk about this, you know, the violence, shooting
this drug two year old baby drug dealer for their
drug turf and and you know, just that dropping the
in bomb all in the trailer just and you know

(11:58):
doctor mcintize doing what he does, he goes into so
many things that we didn't even see in the trailer.
So many more things in the trailers that were discussing, uh,
the teacher having a flask while she's teaching teaching school, uh,
talking about uh only fans and saying that the son
who couldn't pass the tenth grade, uh with size in

(12:20):
your feet, maybe we should go into only fans and
things like that.

Speaker 8 (12:25):
You know, people do know.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
And then I said, doctor mactuts got into some deeper
stuff that we didn't even see in the trailer that
was like just so disrespectful and dehumanizing about us.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Let me ask you, so when they did put those
those skits into this the cartoony, they use laugh tracks
or they just you know, you know, place it out
there for you to exhort absorbed.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yeah, so go ahead, doctor.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, you know I'm saying interesting. I don't even know
I don't recall a laugh track. Understand that we've seen
the excerpts that people have posted on and posted on
on YouTube. We also saw the trailer. We saw the trail.
You know, we saw the trailer because that came out
and as Quabin pointed out, it wasn't just that it

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was babies shooting at each other, but babies were selling
drugs there were the imagery was ugly. Uh, the things
that they were saying about various parts of the community.
You know, they had a woman say to to the
person the same thing that Trump said about Haiti and
some of the African countries, that it was a you know,

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particular part of the anatomy, you know, a whole in
the anatomy. And there was you know, several messages, basic
messages as well as, as I said before, making the
people look ugly. They made the man look like an ape.
The father had a small cranium and a wide mandible.

Speaker 9 (13:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
And later, you know, we learned in the actual program
they showed an x ray of him. And we've shown
you the ex ray of a great ape, the x
ray of a human being, and the x ray of
this man of the father, and this series, and you
can see that they used the basic template of a
grade ape. In addition to the selling drugs, you know,

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you had grown men calling a child in word, You
had them calling a woman the B word. You had
just all kinds of negative messages that amounted to that
we are ugly, that we are stupid, that we are worthless,

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that we have nothing sacred, there bound to respect they
have God a black voice, answering prayers with cell phone
which he would hand to Jesus. And as he passed
it down, you see that he had one lavender fingernail

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and one uh huh, turquoise fingernail. And so you know
they were dissing, uh, you know, a large the religion
of a lot of people. But it turned out they
were they basically disked every major way that African people
relate to spirituality. By that, I mean they had a

(15:19):
white Jesus as a discarded figure on the floor in
the h and you know at one point swirling in
uh waste water or water, you know that that it
leaked into the apartment. They had a black Jesus. And
the way that I described to you answering the phone.
Who this? You know, just like in the Man Tan

(15:42):
Morland movies. You know who that? Who that? Say?

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Who that?

Speaker 4 (15:44):
When I say who that? Who is? Uh? They have
uh Yennipool also called the Nubis, the god of the
underworld in ancient metic religion. Uh. They just have a
non sequit of him in museum. As they're you know,
as they're they're broadcasting this filth. You know, he said,

(16:05):
what's that for for people that believe in ancestral veneration, Uh,
they have a negative response to to to I'm sorry
to Rosa Parks, which you know again is one of
our you know, more sacred ancestors. And then to you know,

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some people say all these are the mistakes season No,
because the same cartoonists that did this, he and his
earlier works had a cartoon that was supposed to represent
Harriet Tubban, they said, doing Gwyneth Paluchew. So it was
a cartoon of an aunt Jemiamele like character with the
nude white woman draped around her. So these were just

(16:47):
these were the things in the trailer. But I think
the the struggle about this really got energized when the
actual cartoon came out, because in the actual cartoon, when
you said show something will turn your stomach immediately, I'll
just tell you how to shoot. Right to the end,
they have a mother going given the opposite of sex education,

(17:08):
telling her daughter that if she wears a tampon. This
is a cartoon now telling her daughter she wears a tampon,
she'll become a whore. So she gives her a diaper.
The daughter goes to the school, leaks blood all over
the place, rights on the wall with menstrual blood and
then ultimately throws menstrual blood in a black boy's faith.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
So I will hold that thought right there. We got
to take a break on that one. Back to Mcatash
and also Brother cavena family just waking up discussing the
Good Times cartoon series that was pulled down. This is
one of the reasons why I was pulled because of
these fellas. What are your thoughts about that cartoon? Reach
out to us at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight to seventy six and we take your phone calls.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Next.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Thursday morning. Twenty minutes after the top of
the out, we've got Brother Covenant and also doctor James
McIntosh from Simo TAP. Simo TAP is the acronym is
for the Committee to Eliminate Media Offensives to African people.
It's it's a grassroots It started as a grassroots organization
about thirty years ago. And you know we often talk

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about on this program how we need we need to
watch dog group to watch what comes out. Anything negative
comes out about our folks, and this is what they do.
But they just deal with the media, the other folks
and other companies, other countries or groups. Rather they have
watched op rows for anything association, anything negative about them
or they're big folks. They're on you like white on Rice.
Well this is what SEMO tapped us. But it just

(18:54):
deals with the media. And what they did they managed
to get the cartoon. Many of us grew up watching
Good Times, you know on TV, the regular series. Well
what they did they did a remaker of Good Times
and he's just just horrible. And I think it was
produced by Netflix. But I'll let them fill us in
with it because there's a connection here to the basketball
player Steph Curry. So fellas connect those dots for us

(19:15):
this morning.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Okay, Well, the one they had several executive producers and
they show it as a slide in the trailer and
one of them is Steph Curry. Now I didn't want
to believe it was the same Steph curR who plays basketball,
but there's an interview of him in which she is
asked about this. Because see the problem, you know, in

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addition to all of these offensive things that we talked about,
throwing minstreel blood in the boy's face, making the teacher
an alcoholic pedophile who makes sexual comments to a boy
who's there with his mother to try to figure out
how to, you know, raise his grades, and she says,
let me see your feet to show me what you're
working with, and who ask him does he have a

(20:01):
fans only or only fans whatever? It is a type
of account, which is, you know, it's like one of
these personal porn sites. So that's a problem, but the
fact that it's put into a cartoon form makes it
more sinister because the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, ruled
in the case of Joe Cammel, the campaign aired by

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Camel Cigarettes, that putting it in a cartoon form attracts children.
So eventually, you know, they sued, and it's just common
sense that if you make it in the form of
the type of entertainment and children usually have the cartoons,
it's going to attract children. So in an interview, Steph
Curry has asked about his role in this video. That's

(20:47):
what we really kind of first knew for a fact
that it was the same Steph Curry, and in it
he says that he tries to. He makes excuses for it.
He calls it an adult cartoon. There's for adults. They
asked him what he led to watch it. He says no,
he wouldn't let his children watch it. So why do
you want to make something that our children are going
to watch that's promoting violence, that's giving them negative images

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and negative messages about themselves. They you know, it starts
out with them calling each other stupid and that kind
of thing, as well as the violence and of course
violent growth, storing minstrual blood in each other's faces. This
doesn't make any kind of sense. So you know, we
of course have written to the leaders of Netflix, to

(21:31):
the leaders of the NBA, and literally they have chosen
a strategy, and a strategy is stonewall. Doesn't make any
We've visited their offices multiple times with demonstrations. We've hand
delivered letters to the head of Netflix. We've had demonstrations
at the at the Commission of the NBA's office. We

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sent out about a thousand postcards that people signed and
put return addresses. And I don't know if anybody who
has received a return address. And I can speak for
Semo Tap because probably least fifty to one hundred of
those had a return address for Semo Tap no response whatsoever.
So you can see this a coordinated strategy that you

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don't have to answer the black people. You have to
answer some groups obviously. You know, in the case of
Kyrie Irvin, you saw how the how quickly they answered it,
how quickly punishments were inflicted, suspension from games of people
paying five hundred thousand dollars a half a million dollars

(22:41):
for Kyrie tweeting a link to a movie about a
book that they deemed as anti submitted. So it's a
coordinated a coordinated attack as well as cover up because
the media doesn't mention this. There's no mention of the
demonstrations that we carry that we've had at Madison Square

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Garden at Barcley's, and they caused quite a bit of
a disruption among the people going into see Steph Curry.
No mention of it in the in the press, and
someone you can do something small and obscure, uh and
and they make a big deal out of it. So
the fact of the matter is is that other people

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don't care about black people being demeaned in the press.
They don't care about us being dehumanized and set up
for attack. Another issue which Brother Qwabner I think might
point out tell them about the one in French. Brother Quabner.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
Yeah, it's a mobile disrespect of us because and one
of the presentations we were doing, we were doing a
meeting about it, and there was a clip that they
were speaking in front in French of the cartoons. So
this has shown that, yes.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
A sex scene in this cartoon where in French, which
means you know, we don't know which French speaking country
it comes from, but uh, it's from this Good Times
reboot thing, which is telling you that this is going
around the world. So let's I'm talking about the other people,
but we do also have to talk about our own

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people because what you said before, we need an organization
as a watchdogs on and so forth. That's the type
of mentality that we have. See. The ad L can
be a watchdog for Jewish people because their people fund
them to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
If anybody doesn't believe it, you can find in nine

(24:44):
to ninety forms they have at least four entities, and
several of them have over one hundred million dollars and
receives over one hundred million dollars and properties, so they
fund them.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Mcatu all that thora. That's you know, because we talk
about this on different levels on this program. Why don't
why don't our folks do support a semotapor They see
what you're doing, They see that you're you're the watch
dogar out there for our group for whatever to do.
Why don't they support you? The folks who can who
you know, we've got people who got money and not
necessarily entertainers and athletes, but they can see that this

(25:22):
is you know, I'm just my question is how do
we feel it? Us as black people feel less of ourselves?
You know, the Jews people feel they feel aggrieved that
you're right if something they suspect is anti Semitic to
jump all over it. But our folks will see it
and they and they walk away to not not identify
with being black or African. Explain that to me, because

(25:42):
it's it's on all levels, even though the political level
of social level as well, we just don't write the checks.
What's up?

Speaker 4 (25:50):
No, I have to say I would be I would
really be wrong if I were to say that I
was speaking really about the level of of support. UH
our community has supported us tremendously, both by coming out
to demonstrations and also by donating Casimo Tap we have
our own headquarters and we've burned the mortgage. Our people's,

(26:13):
our grassroots people have supported us to the extent that
they can. You ask the second question, which is about
people with money. Now, when you talk about people with money,
many of them have interconnections with the entities that we
have to oppose. So all you have to do is
take one of these black leaders, make a Netflix documentary

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about him, and he's gone. He's not going to say
anything about Netflix. They sequester our athletes. They control their
minds by keeping them in a narrow band of information
and access. So you'll find that when it comes to charity,
they will show you white run institutions such as United Way,

(26:57):
and they'll have them giving something a little white child
that is, and they program people that this is what
our athletes should be doing with their money. On the
other hand, there was an organization called a Black United Fund,
which was a payroll deduction, and they can't they can
hardly have access, as I said before, to these to

(27:21):
these athletes, and a lot of it is done just
with mind control. They keep us thinking that wealth is
spending as opposed to producing and producing jobs and doing
the types of things that other groups do. So we
when our when you see our athletes, uh, and you

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see our entertainers. The way in which they demonstrate wealth
is to spend it on foolishness and to publicize that.
And they when they insult each other, they insult each
other on the basis of the other one not having
as much as them to waste and spend. They will
brag on how many cars they have. They will tell

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you know, it's it's complex, and I mean we're just
touching the surface as to why that type of support
doesn't come. And some of it is coming from us,
but some of it is coming from the people who
want to who actually do manipulate us, have historically manipulated

(28:24):
us and continue to manipulate us. And so it's not
simply a unorganization, it's a disorganized is an active process
that is used to stop that. But with respect to
our support, our community has supported us. Where we have
a problem in twenty twenty five is that for a

(28:46):
number of reasons, including the social media and this sort
of thing, a lot of people feel that this is passive,
that someone else should be going out there. There be
people will say, how's the Netflix thing going, not understanding
that they need to come out and express their their dissatisfaction,
that they need to come out in mass we have

(29:07):
people who come out. But if our people would come
out the way they come for a concert, if they
would come out in the way that they come out
for something foolish. And I mean, you know, everybody has fun.
You know, everybody in the world tries to have fun.
So I'm not putting down having fun. But it can't
be one hundred percent of what you do is having fun.

(29:28):
It can't be that one hundred percent of what you
do is spend your money on indulgences. There has to be.
But this is as I said before, this is programmed
into us and as well as they are people who
are co opted, so called leaders that are co opted,
all you have to do is basically give them a

(29:48):
front page, give them a little bioop or something like
that on TV biopick I mean, excuse me on TV
and they will never criticize that, meant me your entity
after that. So that those are my answers to what
you're saying, but I would never say our people have
not supported us, because as said before that we're all volunteers.

(30:12):
That's the difference. The ad L has paid staff. Nobody
in Semo TAP receives a penny of compensation. Everybody in
Semo TAP is a volunteer. So, uh, and we don't
accept government funds. These are some of the differences. We
can accept government funds if the government is serving you. Yeah,
I guess you could serve, you could take up. But

(30:33):
when the government government shows you over and over that
uh they're going to persecute you, that they're going to
discriminate against you, that they're going to uh selectively prosecute you,
you know you can't. You can't take that money because
then they're they're now I mean some people do. If

(30:53):
you know how to do that and do it safely
and not get set up and so on and so forth, Well,
then I'm not telling other people. I'm saying, Simo, tap,
we don't accept government funds.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
All right, twenty six away from the top of our family,
just waking up. I guess the voice you just heard
is doctor James McIntosh from SEEMA TAP. That's the committee
to eliminate media offensive to African people. Also activists Brother
Kawana Rossali's with us as well, and what they have done,
they've managed to do this. We've talked about it before.
Many probably didn't even see the cartoon the Netflix put

(31:25):
out a Good Times. It was just horrible, just everything
wrong about what the original Good Times that you and
I grew up watching on TV. Interesting is enough, they think.
Brother Cobana mentioned that they've dubbed it over in French. Now,
so this is going this is a global effort that
you have to fight. And this is the problem here,
brothers that when people who really have no interaction with

(31:46):
us as African Americans and they see this on the screen,
that's what they believe. So when they come here, they
treat us with indifference because that's how they think we act.
And not just to the cartoon, but also in the
other movies and also some of the videos that they say,
that's that's there. Oh, that's the entire concept of Black
Americans that they think. So how do we fight this

(32:08):
though on the global stage?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Well, you know, for.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
You was by you know, the direct action and and
the the demonstrations and getting the information out of that
how how wrong this is. And it's tough because we
know we're up against h a government or international body
that really disrespects us and hates us and and they
benefit off of that. And you know when it goes

(32:37):
when when doctor mcintish talked about how we're ignored, I mean,
we had simultaneous demonstrations that we sent press releases to
at the offices of Netflix and Los Angeles and New
York City. You know, he mentioned this Madison Square Garden Barclays.
We've been at the Crypto Arena, forming the Staples Center
Staple Center, demonstrating that basketball games and disrupt them things.

(32:59):
So like they we went out there and we were
just like said, ignored. Are they just ignore us?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
But they really let me interrupere and ask you this,
brother Coban. Any of the mainstream media picked it up there,
you know, all the mainstream meanings that's covering news. Do
they come out there and cover and do they explore
go deep into why you guys are doing what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
I'm not there for not one article that I am
aware of, only a couple of articles in the black press.
And you know, they don't want to stay on any
issue for too long, you know, absolutely not and.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, doctor Macintosh, Why why do you think so, why
do you think that they you know, they don't want
to jump in on this. Of course we're all involved
if we're people are colored as they call us, some
people call us African Americans. And they see there and
they work for some of these huge corporations, uh, newspapers,
media outlets, and there's a story, and you know, some
of them have the juice who can go say, hey,

(33:59):
let's story, Hey let me send a reporter out to
do this, or I want to report on this. Why
do you think nobody picked up on the story.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Amus Wilson said, Black people think they know how to
do business when they do business the way that white
folks have done business with us. So another person, the
sister Marimba on Me has written about something. I think
she called it the hypocritical ethic. You know, she talks
about messages that Europeans put out that are only for us.

(34:28):
They don't pay any attention to these things at all.
So they set out certain principles of objectivity in journalism. Uh,
you know, no conflict of venture, you know, all kinds
of things that they don't follow. You know, you know
that the media is not objective, but our black press
a lot of times actually tries to follow those things,
and so in any story they want to give an

(34:50):
opposing view at the same time they give the you know,
as they present the main story, they try to get
they try to balance it and do those types of things,
and they follow certain principles that they believe are journalistic
principles even though right both.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
All right there, doctor Magan, tell how let you finish that?
I thought when we get back, we got to check
the news in our different cities. It's twenty three minutes
away from the top of our family. Thanks for waking
up with us on this Thursday morning. I guess the
doctor James McIntosh from Siema Tapp and also brother Combana
Rosseli is with us discussing the movie the cartoon actually
have good times. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six will get
you in. We'll take your phone calls after the news

(35:26):
that's next.

Speaker 1 (35:32):

Speaker 2 (35:55):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your day with
us again on this Thursday morning, this fourth day of September,
twenty twenty five. I guess right now we have activists
brother Corbana Rosselli and also doctor James McIntosh, doctor James
mcaus from SEEMA TEP. That's the Committee to Eliminate Media
offensive to African people. And one of the projects they're
working on is the Good Times cartoon. You may have

(36:17):
heard about the cartoon that's made off the after in Remaker,
sort of of the Good Times that we grew up watching,
you know, with JJ and and who else is in filma,
you know, the whole crew. So that what they did,
what they did to that, they created cartoonists and as
they mentioned, Steph Curry, the basketball players involved with this,

(36:37):
and so they started a protest and so far they
managed that, you know, at least they accomplished. It's not
going to be renewed. That's that's a good part about this.
But once she makes some things out there in the atmosphere,
and now they just tell me that it's they've overdubbed
it in French. So French speaking folks, not just black French, wrote,
everybody who speaks French. Now I can think and when
people overseas, as I mentioned earlier, when they see things

(36:59):
like that. They take it as gospel. They think that's
how we that's how we roll, you know, because they
don't have any African American friends, so what they know
about is just what they see on the screen. Anyway,
we'll get back the end of the moment. Let me
just remind you come up later this morning. We're gonna
speak with physician scientists doctor Elva Bowles, just back from Bikina,
Fossa and Ghana. She's going to share some of the
important things that she went through her travels. Also archaeologist

(37:22):
and educator doctor Cheryl Larroche. She's going to drop some
knowledge about the Underground Railroad. And Tomorrow's Friday, we're going
to invite you to join us for our Open Phone
Friday program. She's where we give you a chance to
free your mind and all that is basically just think
for yourself and reach out to a start at six
am Eastern time. Folks wait to the last minute, and
we always have a bunch of folks that don't get
a chance to get on. So please don't wait to
the last minute. Because we started six right here in

(37:43):
Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV
on FM ninety five point nine and am fourteen fifty.
So doctor mcados, I'm gonna let you finish your thought,
and brother Seiku in Baltimore wants to join the conversation.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Thank you so much. I want to say that, you know,
the question you asked about the press, I could never
say that the press hasn't you know, supported or reported
every you know, the things that we've done. But the
white press acts like an active agent for white interests,
you know, and they when they get on something like

(38:19):
the Kyrie Irvin thing, I mean, it's it's not going
to go away until they achieve their end. The black
press is undercapitalized, it's undersupported. Very often. A lot of
their stories are written from their desks. They can't send
reporters out to go and actually you know, be involved.
You know, they don't have as many resources. There's a

(38:40):
lot of reasons why. But I think the whole issue
of recognizing what are your interests, what are your group interests,
and acting as an active advocate for that rather than
it's a so called objective press, they don't. I don't
see where the black press has to be any more
objective than the white press. And if you think for
white press was objective in the Kyrie urban situation. Then

(39:04):
I don't know what to tell you, But how can
we criticize the black press when you are a part
of the black press, you're a black journalist and you're
giving us a voice today. But the problem is is
that the that the things we're fighting are so much bigger,
so much well organized, and the consciousness you're you're, you're, you're, you're,

(39:27):
you're a way above average consciousness. You know, I'm trying
to say a person, everybody in the black press is
not that Wilbert Tatum was. Wilbe Tait was pretty conscious
and he actively used to fight the ad L you
know with this, you know, with his newspaper. I can't
say that for the current management.

Speaker 10 (39:46):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
The current management is uh, you know has a has
a different position. And Wilbert Tatum did that even though
he was married to a Jewish woman. But uh, you know,
we can't count on let.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Me doing it for a secon and reference to a
dodtr McIntosh's referred to as the Amsterdam actually the doctor McIntosh.
Do you think it's a generational thing, these younger journalists
that we have right now, you know, they go to
Jay School and and you know, they believing objectivity as
it's taught because you know, and it's not it's not
just journalists, but these white institutions are taught even to

(40:20):
the black colleges too, are taught to maintain h white
supremacy once once they once they become professionals, they don't really.
That's why we always telling you free your mind and
think for yourself. They don't really. I give an example,
one person's freedom fighters is another person's hero. You know
what I'm saying. One person a freedom fighter and another
person's a gorilla. And we saw that with these wars

(40:43):
and what was going on for freedom in Africa, and
so we have to we have to rephrase that, you
know as working in the black community. Where when I
started working at L I B in New York. So,
but other ones, the ones that are coming up now,
and just they just repeat what what's what the what
the what? What's given to them? Again? The question is
it a generational issue?

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Well, you know, I think we've always probably I would
say that when you say it's getting worse, that's a
generational issue, you know, that's something. But there've always been
people who identified with the interests of their people and
people who were striving to quote crossover, pass or imitate

(41:30):
their oppresses. And as you point out, though, the longer
that process goes on, the worst it is. You know,
the honorable Elijah Muhammad said, what makes you think, excuse me,
what makes you think a man's going to teach you right?
If the man doesn't treat you right? And so these
people are not treating us right. Why would they educate

(41:52):
our children? If we send our children there for them
to educate even our adult children, is you knowledge and
that sort of thing? Why why would they Why would
they teach them to act counter to their interests? Much
of America is built on racism, is you know, much
of it is built on on race, you know, and

(42:14):
racial interests and it and it hasn't changed. It's getting worse, obviously,
you can see with this current administration that you have
in it's worse than ever. So of course the young
people are going to turn out they're going to be
worse than ever. But the ones that are not, they
are isolated, they are ostracized, they are minimized, excluded, and

(42:36):
you don't hear from them, So you hear from basically
the knuckleheads for the most part, unless they have some
sort of experience that allows them to break away from
that brainwashing, a.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Hold that the rightea is I mentioned Brother sayqu wants
to jump in on this conversation. He's online three he's
calling from Baltimore, Grand rising Brother Satku, you're only doctor
McIntosh and brother Corbana.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Yeah, humbo. I'm gonna ask to say question that Amos
Wilson asked, I'm surprised by by how often you are
all surprised when they show who they are.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Why is that? I'm never surprised. I'm not surprised. What
are you what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
I'm not surprised that Malcolm saying that. Malcolm, I'm saying
us years ago that the most criminal thing you can
do is teach a man to hate himself.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
That's old.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
They've been doing that. They're gonna do it every chance
they get. We have to stop some little bit thinking
that people like stepcry, the professional athletes, entertainers, they have
never been with us. The best John, I'm they mind
the white folks.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
So while y'all surprised.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
When they do what step Curry did, he don't want
his children to watch it, but it's all right for
other children.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
That's crazy. Yeah, I have a nice day, Thank you brother.
You know, the thing that we're saying is is not
that we're surprised. We're saying we're not going to take it.
We're going to try to What Martin Luther King said
and his last speech was with every action, you need
to impose economic sanctions, so you know, we can't continue

(44:25):
to support our oppression. You're right, they've been doing this,
been doing it for a long time. But you don't
have to pay for it. That's a subscription service. You
have the right not to buy it. So as we
demonstrate and educate people about what they're doing, there's some
people that take that up that say, hey, look I'm
not going to pay for that. I'm not going to

(44:46):
pay you to show a girl throwing minstry blood in
the black boy's face. You know, you have to have
some level of self respect, and you have to have
at an insult level. If you don't have an insight level,
it's like really incompatible with life if people can just
say and do whatever they want. We're not surprised by it.
They've been doing this for a long time. In various forms.

(45:09):
So that's my answer to brothers, say.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Cool all r I ate away from the talent. Brother Cabana,
you've been on the case of lyrics. You connected the
dots with the violence in our community. Is we talked
about the you know, the Donald Trump sending the troops
into Chicago and you just mentioned New Orleans and who
else is on the list, Baltimore and New York. But
part of the violence. They're not going to the root

(45:31):
of the problem of the violence. You're saying that some
of the music is being played over the airways is
part of the problem. Can you explain that to the audience.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
Yeah, the majority of the music that's being played for
young African people in this country is the meaning degrading
drops in bombs on us just like this in this
cartoon disrespects our women and blatantly tells us to take
each other's life, to kill each other, to handle conflicts
sometimes not even a conflict. And so an example we

(46:00):
share a lot. When we start off our lectures, we
asked the question we asked them, when we asked the
youth in the in the audience to don't answer this question.
We just want to ask the seasoned adults, and the
question is if young Metro don't trust you, and do
you all know the answer to that to that question?
And most likely most of the time people don't. And

(46:21):
then we open it up for the youth and we
ask them the same question, if young Metro don't trust you,
and they don't answer in unison, I'm gonna shoot you.
And so that's a tagline delivered by the rapper Future.
We call them no feature about the beat maker Metro Booming,
and it is in so many songs and again it

(46:41):
says if you if you don't it's just if you
don't trust anybody, you shoot them. And we say, if
I don't trust somebody, most of the time, I'll get
away from them, or I'll see if I can get
to know them and develop a trust. I don't just
I'm not just gonna shoot them. But this is what
they put in so much of the music. And it
was like in two thousand and he's sixteen or seventeen
that were not hundred and eighty murders in Chicago. And

(47:03):
if it was nine hundred and eighty people murdered in Chicago,
nine hundred and forty of them looked like us and
so that was that was they depicted this in like January.
First they depicted of the Chicago Sun Times had a mural,
not a mural, just a depiction of so many shots
or of face shots and mug shots for the people

(47:24):
who were murdered. And you know, they couldn't fit all
that on their on their pages, but they had as
many as they could. And so by January, before the
end of January, the local radio station, the local kill
Black People radio stations in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Before you go to the radio, though, what was what
was the what was the what was the what was
behind showing all these black faces in the newspaper because
you know there's certain demographics buys newspaper reads newspapers, So
what was what was behind it? What do you think
was behind that?

Speaker 6 (47:48):
We're just showing a picture of the people who were murdered.
That's that's what I thought was behind just showing them,
trying to get as many people on there who were
murdered and just showing their faces.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
No, they were trying to show the pathology. They're trying
this is how they did dehumanizing us, because you know,
most of the folks are are people. Most people buy
the newspapers. You know who buy the newspapers or read
the newspapers. You know who they are. So that's what
they tell them. This is what these quote unquote savages
do to each other. But go ahead and we let's
move on to the radio. But don't don't overestimate that
there's always something behind what they try to do in

(48:19):
the media. But go ahead and go to the radio.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
So they do a top ten, like most of these
stations do a top ten at eight o'clock to night,
and so before the end of January, their top ten
included five songs that said if Young Metro don't trust you,
I'm Gonna shoot you, a Kanye West song stretch out
My Hands to My Father XBI t H another song
with twenty one Savage and No Future. Big Sean had
a song Can't think of the Name of It Bad

(48:43):
and Boogie, which was a major anthem for months at
number one, said if Young Metro don't trust you, I'm
Gonna shoot you. Then there was a song called you
was right. This dude, Lil Uzibert went to a club,
met his sister and wanted to get with her. His
friends said take her to the bathroom and disrespect her there,
but ah, he took her home, got with her, found
out later she was with five other dudes. He got mad,

(49:05):
had relations with her sister and it made her vanish.
And by the way, if your metro don't trust you,
I'm gonna shoot you. Came up in that song, but
he made the sister vanished.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
And hold that story right there. Brother, we gotta step
aside for a few months. We got to take the
trafficing weather, not different cities. Like you finished your thought
on the other side. Family, you want to join this conversation,
Brother Cabana, and also doctor James McIntosh. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take the phone calls. After the trafficking
weather that's next.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
You're fucking with the most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the most submissive, all right.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
And Grand Rising family, thanks you starting your Thursday with
us and our guest the way, Brother Cobana Orsili, we
just heard right before we left for the trafficking weather update.
And also doctor James McIntosh. Doctor James McIntosh is with
SIMA TAP that's the committee to eliminate media offensive to
African people, and they started a crusade against the Good
Times cartoon. But before we left, brother Cabando was sharing
with us how some of these the music that our

(50:29):
young people listening to on the radio, and many of
them don't listen to the radio anymore. That's another issue
that I'll discussed with him. But anyway, it's the lyrics
in some of these movies that's what's causing a lot
of the crime in our communities. They're going after each other.
So Corbana, i'n't let you finish your thought.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
So I was mentioning those five songs that were in
the top ten less than a month in Chicago killed
black people radio less than a month that it was
reported that seven hundred and eighty people were murdered in
Chicago in two thousand than sixteen, I believe, or so
it was twenty seventeen. And the last song we were
talking about was you was right from Little Oozy Vert

(51:07):
and he mentioned how he got with his sister at
a club. Instead of listening to his friend and having
sex with the girl in a bathroom at the club,
he took her home and found out she was with
five of the guys and said, oh, he got mad,
so he took it out on her sister and got
with her sister and then made her vanish. And I

(51:28):
was thinking about the news report. You always just shared
about the possibilities that being Karl Thompson, the missing sister
in DC, and you know, we had so many missing sisters.
And this is in the song they would play on
the radio. And by the way, if Young Metro don't
trust you, I'm gonna shoot you. And that was in
five of the songs that statement. And these songs, if
they're in the top ten, they're most likely in hot rotation,
which means that being played fifteen to twenty times per day.

(51:51):
And again there's not just one kill Black people at
radio station in Chicago, there's two pornographic kill black people
radio stations. So our children were hearing this to sept
from seventy five to one hundred times a day that
they didn't trust someone, that they should shoot them. And
I say this this was like seven eight years ago.
So here we are in twenty twenty four. We're twenty

(52:13):
five now. But the number one album hip hop album
in the spring of twenty twenty four was an album
from metro Booman and No Future a future I keep
calling No Future, but entitled We Don't Trust You. It
was a number one album in the country and it
featured some of that music from Kendrick Lamar which became
such a major hit. And right after We Don't Trust

(52:35):
You was number one. Next album that was number one
was a follow up album from them called We Still
Don't Trust You. And on these albums they were still saying,
if you don't trust anybody, you should shoot them.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
This is our dietbolgy, you know, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Glad you share it because many we don't listen to
that kind of music. We don't listen to those kind
of stations. And to frank with it, that the Radies
came out about two weeks ago, in every single marketing
there is those hip stations are struggling. They're trying to
get listeners because the young people they they they've got
their radio, their stations are on their telephones because there's

(53:11):
you know, because of the FCC, radio stations can't play
the blatant lyrics that you talked about. They try to edit,
I know, and get around and all that kind of stuff,
but they can't play the lyrics with the young people.
That and that's a problem for radio folks. So they're
trying to attract young people like this program. Mostly young
people are not going to listen. They're not going to
listen to this because they want to hear what you
talked just talked about. But then again their numbers are

(53:33):
dwindling because the stations can't play they have to edit
out some of the inappropriate themes in those songs, and
some of them do a good job, some of them don't.
And many of the young people just would rather just
have to curate their own music on their telephones and
listen to what they because they like to hear all
the negative stuff that you talked about. So there's any
saving grace in that they're failing as far as it

(53:53):
comes to ratings and ratings equal revenue in this business.
But listen, we're just about out of time. We got
doctor l Roach on deck. I'm gonna go back to
Dr McIntosh and again, you know, I'd love for you
to do, though, Billa Cobana, go to the source, not
just the radio station, but the people who are making
the music and the record companies who are distributing this music.
Because as I mentioned many of these young people they're

(54:14):
listening to that kind of music on their phones. But anyway,
doctor McIntosh, yeah, respond to that.

Speaker 7 (54:21):
We've even gone to the.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
Air see the Federal Communications Commission and really wanted to
talk about when they want to call affairs in the
Chicago and New Orleans and place like that. We called
them then, but the fair sided with these.

Speaker 11 (54:32):
Radio stations the.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Time right freedom of speech. Yeah, they are going to
do that because the freedom of speech of interesting. But
but then then instead of like I say, instead of
going to the FCC and the fans to monitor with
the radio stations, but go to the people who are
making these records, who are green lighting, who paying these
young brothers and sisters to sing these kind of songs.
That's what That's where you need to cut at the source,

(54:56):
not at the end, you know what I'm saying. If
that's what you need to really need to do. But
we're running lay here and doctor mcatsh, you want to
ask you what's next on the agenda? You guys have
managed to stop them from renewing Good Times the cartoon issue.
What's next?

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Yes, so we are still we were still looking for
an apology from Steph Curry. He has a movie coming
to New York on September the eleventh at the Paramount,
and so we intend to be out there just with
flyers information to let the movie goers know that they're
supporting somebody who does not support them, that they're supporting

(55:35):
somebody who actually is putting dangerous and discussing images of
our people out in those movies. With respect to what
brother Quabin was talking about, if you take the top
twenty things that kill black people, and you take the

(55:59):
behaviors that contribute to those top twenty things, you will
find that at any given time, most of the rap
records that are out will promote one or more of
those risk factors, and that there will be one that
represents all, say eight or nine. And by the risk factors,

(56:19):
I mean things like disrespect. You can trace that to homicides.
Violence obviously, you can trace to homicides and that's one
cause of death. Guns, definitely, you can trace to so
many of the records promote guns. Alcohol does all kinds
of things with respect to your health. It attacks every

(56:40):
system in your body. It can cause congenital defects, it
can cause the cancers. It's all of the what I'm
saying is if you just take the top twenty things
killing people like cancer, heart disease, on and so forth,
these rap records promote those things. They promote drugs and
the drug trade. They promote a driving and drinking. You'd

(57:01):
be surprised at how many your records support either drugging
and drinking or driving and drinking. And his brother qualitas
that he's done with young people. Back a long time ago,
when I used to speak at schools, I just had
to say, uh, smoking on indoor, rolling down the streets,
sipping on and they could finish the lyrics for me,
jen and juice, and the same thing is true. And

(57:22):
so they promote tobacco, prostitution, and promisecuity. I was so
surprised at that that what you were talking about future
and and the brother that they have that they site
is being so positive. I looked at the top ten records,
and they had a record that was promoting all of
that stuff. The prostitution, the guns, the alcohol. It's just

(57:45):
it's it's it's suicidal.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yes, unfortunately, you know we're to put it on hold
for a second and come back to have your brothers
come back and give us an update on what's going on,
because both appreciate what you're doing because you you, you're
the guardians. You guys are watching what they do, and
all this negative imagery is out in the media that
our young people have somewhere have an appetite for. And
that's what we've got to change that appetite for. There's

(58:10):
some reason why you know, you see it, I see it.
We don't. We don't go to those watch those movies,
the cartoons or that depict us in a negative way,
or even listen to the music. What brother Kabana just
talked about, what you alluded to as well, Dr McIntosh.
But the reason maybe if we need to have some
of these young folks sit on doctor Fox's couch and

(58:30):
explain why, or maybe we should ask him why why
they gravitate to this kind of field. But anyway, we're
running so late. We got to let you brothers go,
dtr McIntosh because you mentioned nobody gets paid a simo tap.
If if people want to follow you more, what do
they do?

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Well? You I have a radio program in w and
I don't know if I should say a radio program
in New York on w BAI Listener sponsored Radio ten
am every every Tuesday, and it's called Mindfield and you
can you can also get it by going to w
BAI dot org ten am every Tuesday, w BAI nine

(59:09):
that point five ff in New York or w BAI
dot org and on there we tell you how to
contact us and that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
All right, and brother Cabana, howcking folks reach here? You
have email or dress or something?

Speaker 6 (59:22):
Yeah, Clearbeairways project dot org and Airwaves is with a
wa ve e s. We also do a conscious hip
hop and classic form or show every Friday night on
a w g v E and Gary, Indiana. It's called
a Weekly wrap Up.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
All right, Good for you fellas, and thanks for joining
us this morning and keep us in the loop of
what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Thank you so much for the time. Brother, Thank you,
Thank you appreciating your.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Brother RUSSELLI and doctor James McIntosh, Doctor Cheryl Leode grand Rising,
welcome to the program. Thanks of being so patient with
us this morning.

Speaker 10 (59:54):
Oh you know, it was great to listen to and
to really think about how these things intersect with the
work that I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, I wish, I wish some of these young brothers
would would listen to the stuff that you've done and
put that in music, that would be that would be phenomenal,
That would be a mind change, a sea change in
our community. But for the folks who just never heard
of you before, because you're on before, just give us
a little bit of your background before we talk about
the underground railroad.

Speaker 10 (01:00:18):
Sure, I'm a historical archaeologist, and if anybody knows me,
particularly in the New York area, it was because I
was the archaeological conservative on the African burial ground many
decades ago. I'm a historian, historical archaeologist. I do preservation work,
I do oral histories, and I help people recover their genealogies,

(01:00:39):
mostly from plantation sites, usually big ones National Park Service.
And so I've been working at all sort of realms
of our history and really trying to recover the hardest
parts of the history that we have, the ones that
are really buried, the ones where you really have to
dig in to the account books because they're not in

(01:01:02):
anything else. So I've been, you know, really working in
the minefields for a long time of the historical record,
and the underground Railroad is part of that search.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
So why did you select that as part as your
slice of the pie and the underground Railroad.

Speaker 10 (01:01:18):
You know, that's a great question because it's for me,
it's empowering. So you had when I was growing up
this image of black people that was less than empowering.
It was, you know, very very distressing what we learned.
Nobody wanted to go to history class. Nobody wanted to
learn history. I hated history. And when I got to
the underground railroad and saw these people seizing their freedom,

(01:01:43):
and this is the part I think I still to
this day love the most outthinking their captors. People who
were supposed to be illiterate and ignorant are out thinking
that people who are looking for them, who can't find them.
If you look at the thousands of ads that are
played across the country for people escaping slavery, you get
some idea of how hard it was for folks to

(01:02:06):
find them. Lots of people get recaptured. I'm not saying
that they don't, but I love the empowerment, the personal
power that it brought, and studying it brings me a
lot of empowerment.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
All right, fourteen half the top the family just join us.
I guess she's doctor. Sheell l roach doctor. She's a
distinguished archaeologist and educator. She mentioned what she's done a
lot of research into the underground railroad. Is this International
Underground Railroad Month.

Speaker 10 (01:02:31):
This month particularly says International Underground Railroad Month, and that's
been really great to see. If you think about around
the diaspora, if you think about Maroon communities, if you
think about the Great Dismal Swamp, if you think about
all of these places people have been escaping slavery from
around the diaspora since the inception of enslavement. We in

(01:02:54):
the United States named the underground railroad in the eighteen thirties.
We name the behavior, and we think the behavior began then,
but it started from the moment we set foot in
any of these places where we were brought to be enslaved.
And so it's something that happens around the world, and
it's something that is beginning because we take a long

(01:03:16):
time to do this research, we're beginning to talk about
it in this global sphere. Because anywhere where you took
captive Africans and Native Americans, because in the early part
those are the people who were enslaved, we worked together
to get out of slavery. We used the land. That's
the Great Dismal Swamp is impenetrable in many ways, and

(01:03:37):
we use the land to help us get out of slavery.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
And this is good to hear because you know, we
hear about how our ancestors were enslaved. We never hear
how they fought back. We want to hear from the
folks who are part of the resistance crew.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
And this is what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
You bring this to life.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
So, doctorle of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Roach, where did it start?

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
Where?

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
You know we talked about not a railroad didn't have
a starting spot in that everybody knew about in the South.
Can you explain that for us?

Speaker 12 (01:04:03):
Yet?

Speaker 10 (01:04:04):
No, it did not have a you know, it's not
that organized. So, yes, people are coming up out of
the South, which oftentimes people don't understand. They come up
out of the South and come off of these plantations
and go perhaps from the back quarters of one plantation
to the next. They go north, but they also go south.
They go to Mexico. Mexico is a place that really

(01:04:26):
offers sanctuary. Remember that even Texas and Mexico weren't states
at Texas was in the state, and Mexico continued to
be very supportive. People moved across the country. When it
got its name in the eighteen thirties, it was only
because someone who was chasing someone across the Ohio River.

(01:04:46):
This is the lore, couldn't find them when they got
to the other side, and said they must have gone
on some kind of an underground railroad because that was
the latest technology. But people escaped to Canada the War
of eighteen twelve. Let me make a let me digress
and say this I do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I hold that thought right there because we've got to
take a show break and what come like. I don't
want to break here rhythm. I'll let you explain that
first when we get back. Family just joined us waking up.
I guess it is doctor Cheryl Laroche. He's a distinguished
archaeologist and an educator. This morning we're discussing the underground railroad.
What are your thoughts? You want to join this conversation.
Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six one ticket phone calls for
doctor Laroach next y and grand Rising family. Thanks for

(01:05:48):
staying for us on this Thursday morning, this fourth day
of September twenty twenty five. I guess it's doctor Cheryl
l roach, as I mentioned, and we're talking about the
underground railroad. Now, many of us have known what the
phrases we heard it, We've got an idea of what
it is. But Tata Laroche has done some deep dive
into the underground river. So doctor Laroche, I'll let you
finish your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:06:07):
One of the things that it's very clear to me
is that the way we're taught our history is so
disempowering that I wouldn't want to learn it. I didn't
want to learn it then, and sometimes I read it
now and I find it really distressing when you really
begin to understand that from the Constitution, before the Constitution,

(01:06:30):
they're all of these treaties, they are all of these
clauses in the United States Constitution that try to regulate
escape from slavery. It's been a problem from the very beginning.
When they have the War of eighteen twelve, it's the
first time Canada comes up as a concept as a place.
People begin to know about it as a place that

(01:06:51):
they can escape too. And so all of these things
that we don't ever make those connections, we can't get
in there because of the kind of depth of research
who's controlling our history. We can't really see the powerful
things that are going on inside a black history that
of course, you know that we don't know about it.

(01:07:13):
You know, if these young folks, if we could get
to them, if we could talk about history and wield
it like the powerful thing that it is and put
it I mean, this is really sounding far fetch put
it up there against alcohol, prostitutions, sex, drugs, and rock
and roll. We would really really make a huge difference.

(01:07:33):
And so we don't do that. Our history is we're
not in complete control of it. It is time for
us to seize our history and tell it the way
it happened. This is why there's such a war on
what's going on historically.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, well, and we could do it too, you know
what you just said, it's not that far fetch yell
folks do it. Why can't we do it? You know,
we just have to have the will, and the.

Speaker 10 (01:08:00):
People who have you will. It's more than the will.
Lots of times the records have been burned. People don't
have last names. We were legislated. They were laws against
our literacy. There were laws against us going to school,
there were laws against us learning. Our record our historical record,
the things that we bas this on, is sometimes scattered

(01:08:23):
to the winds. It is extremely difficult to pull it
back together. It's not as simple as other people. You
have to be willing to sit there for hours and
get just crumbs of research. You have to be willing
to go find follow somebody's first name, and you have
fifty people named Milli in the record, in which Milli
do you want? It's not that easy, but it's necessary.

(01:08:47):
We have got to seize our history, take it back
and tell it to our children in a way that
makes them happy, proud and inspired to move forward. The
underground Railroad, for me, is one place to do it.
Which is why there's so many books about Harriet Tubman,

(01:09:07):
which is why she captures people's imagination, because that one
story has been told over and over again. But there
are dozens and dozens and dozens of others that no
one knows anything about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
All right, twenty three after the top down, we'll share
some of those names here. Listen. We may know about him,
You're right, we know about Harriet Tullon, but I'm sure
that's probably more that we will never know. A nameless,
faceless folks who helped us create the underground Railroad, who
helped the folks making their way to freedom. But tell
us of some of those that you think we don't
know of.

Speaker 10 (01:09:37):
Well, certainly we don't know about Henry Hiland, Garnett, William
and Ellen Craft, which is one of the great stories.
There's a new book out that you might not have
read it. We know about Harriet Jacobs because she's more popular,
but there are all these other people. Paul Quinn, who
I wrote the book about. I wrote Apostle of a
Liberation about William Paul Quinn. He's a fourth Bishop of
the A and Me Church and he is a huge,

(01:10:00):
huge figure on the Underground Railroad that until I wrote
the book, if you knew about him, you knew about
him perhaps as a Bishop Quinn, but you certainly didn't
know about his work on the Underground Railroad. And he
covered the United States. He was active from Maine to California,
from Canada and Louisiana. And most people don't know anything

(01:10:22):
about him, or if they do, it's very very little,
maybe a sentence or two. And Carl. These are the
biggest names that people don't know about. And what we've
done is take Frederick Douglass, so Journal Truth, Harriet Tubman,
and repeat their story over and over and over and
over again. And then these people that I'm talking about

(01:10:44):
where you have to dig. I mean, it took me
literally twenty years to write Paul Quinn's story. Twenty years wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Named for him.

Speaker 10 (01:10:55):
There is there's a college in Dallas, Texas that's named
Paul Quinn College, and it is in tribute to him.
Because everywhere Faulquinn went across the United States, he set
up not only AMI churches, but schools. And he set
those schools up because of all the anti literacy laws
and all of the laws against education for African American children,

(01:11:19):
reading knowledge was such a seditious act that the government
came in state government largely and regulated your ability to
have access to learning. If you just pondered what I
think about what I just said, then you begin to

(01:11:40):
understand what we're up against and the kinds of things
that have been put in place to keep us that
barrier between us and our history. It's profound, it's deep.
It's really something that we have to begin to seize
in a way that we haven't done before. That my

(01:12:03):
activism as everyone that you talk to on your show
is an activist in one way or another. My activist
is history, literaty, literacy, learning the underground Railroad and getting
these kids getting in their veins the power of their history,
getting inside their minds the power of their history. That

(01:12:28):
is something that we are doing, but we have to
do it on a much more effective scale to stand
up against all these other seductive things that are attracting
their attention.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Well, let me jump in last you. This is twenty
eight after Top of Our Family, Doctor Cheryl Roachie's I guess,
Doctor Lea roach why do you think they go to
all these extreme efforts not to try to deny us
and learn about our history and learn about ourselves, what's
thinks behind us.

Speaker 10 (01:12:57):
It's empowering. Look I study that I know with just
working with the population that I'm working with on the
underground Railroad and escape from slavery. It fuels me. It
gives me ideas. One of the things that why there
are anti literacy laws is because when you can read,
so when you can hear, when you can have this

(01:13:18):
kind of freedom of speech and you can hear people
talking about it, you give people ideas. You give people ideas,
You don't have to take that. You don't have to
be enslaved. There are other ways around it. Your knowledge
and your self possession. Think about that. Now, in slavery,
somebody owns you, You do not own yourself. You can

(01:13:40):
come in and own your thoughts and begin to act
in ways that that resists, that really stand up to
any kind of any kind of effort to keep you down.
One of the things that I see repeatedly is that

(01:14:02):
when you have people who are free African Americans, you know,
not everybody's enslaved. There are people who are free the
whole time. Car people are trying to send them back
to Africa, trying to get rid of them. Why Because
if I see that your freedom is allowing you to thrive,
that gives me ideas that I can be free too,

(01:14:24):
and that I can do it too. We know when
we see by example, we learn by example. So what's
the example that people are trying to show us. It's
still drugs, sex, rap music. We have to show a
different example, and we got to figure out a way
to do it that gets inside the veins of these children.

(01:14:48):
It's not just that we're here. Take this and read it,
and we started a series called The Resurrectors. We're going
to put a have a Kickstarter campaign call The Resurrectors,
because we're going to come forward with true stories of
people that you don't know about, and we're going to
wrap it in magical fiction so that kids really can
gravitate and groove with what's really kind of going on

(01:15:11):
with the fiction part and inside of it, they'll be
able to go back into the past and meet these
people and talk to them and be empowered by them.
We have got to do everything we can to save
our kids. If we don't do it, it's going to
be another generation that's really going to be lost into

(01:15:33):
just a different kind of wasteland.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
We can't see too many stuff that's top out. Doctor
Laroche Ross Jolmo's checking in from Buffalo has a question
of comment for Ease on life Line one. Grand Rising
brother Ross Jomily with doctor Laroach.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Grand Rising, Doctor Roach.

Speaker 13 (01:15:49):
I just want to say thank you first. I really
wanted to listen and I had to call in because
I'm here in Buffalo, New York and there's a whole
lot of crisscross history from emancipation at the Fugitive Slave Act,
anything from Frederick Douglas look at to Washington anyway, going
back to looking at the underground railroad, could you talk
about how important it is like every time families travel

(01:16:13):
to maybe take young people and explore the pre enslavement
history to find out connections to family and how sometimes
one name maybe you can send you on a quest
for years and it's like the spirit is talking to
you to get the information. And you talk about in
port just studying free.

Speaker 10 (01:16:31):
You know, certainly you know I lived in Buffalo. I
know Buffalo, so you know, shout out for Buffalo. So
you're right there. You're up on Lake Erie and you
know the lake. So the Great Lakes, if you look
at your geography, is the southern border of a lot
of Canada. And so anytime you're traveling to Buffalo, you

(01:16:55):
can go across the Saint Catherines and see the Amme
Church where Quinn would have been the bishop at that
time in Canada that Harriet Tubman attended. So Paul Quinn
was Harriet Tubman's bishop when she was up in Saint Catharines.
Go across that bridge and go into Saint Catharines. There's
a lot of history right there. Any of those cities

(01:17:17):
that border the Great Lakes, if you're in Sandusky, Ohio,
if you're any of those places, you have a lot
of underground railroad history. This is just in the North.
I do travel around and I go to all of
these places when I can. You go plantations. When you
read that they escape, you know down on the Eastern Shore,
we know all of these people. Henry Higland Garnett comes

(01:17:38):
out of the Eastern Shore. It's a way to bring
history alive. It's not just in the books. You can
go and when there are archaeological sites, and there are
not that many that you can just kind of say, oh,
here's a dig, let's go. But when they're archaeological sites,
they're very exciting because we are touching the artifacts that

(01:17:58):
the people themselves had, we are seeing the places where
they lived, We're walking the ground where they walked. And
that does something to you, particularly little kids. It inspires them,
It stirs their imaginations. So whenever you travel, if you
realize that in all of the continentally the United States,

(01:18:19):
there are underground railroad stories, and that no matter where
you're going, if you're in these big cities Cincinnati, for
goodness sakes, if you're going into places like that, if
you're going into Cleveland, and when I'm in Indiana, I
know all of the stories across Indiana because Paul Quinn
was in Indiana. When you are moving through these places,
that history is there, but it's not always obvious. You

(01:18:43):
have to do a little work. You have to sort
of lay out your network because we don't have the
level of robust history that I'm talking about where you
could just open up. There are guides to the underground
Railroad and there are many books written, but it's not
always easy to say. Going to be in Oklahoma, you
know the panhandle of Oklahoma. If you look at the

(01:19:03):
shape of Oklahoma, Oklahoma is shaped like it is because
of slavery and much of the history that we learn,
much of what we understand, we don't realize that the genet,
the origins of what happened is based inside of a
fight over slavery. So yes, take your children, travel around

(01:19:25):
and these are positive stories. You don't have to feel like, oh,
I don't want to talk about it because they're this
or that or the other. Look, this is what happened.
And if kids can look at shooting and violence and
you know, and if we can, and if you look
at all these pictures of lynchings and all these little
white kids sitting down there watching these people be burned
and castrated, certainly we can talk about what happened in

(01:19:48):
this part of our history as well.

Speaker 13 (01:19:51):
I would love to see if you come to this
area again. There's there's a small dig going on now
in the African American Heritage Corridor next to the church,
and that corridor is being said of his stories. So
I'll try to get your contact and make sure that
a week presentation. There's a lot going on here now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
So thank you very much.

Speaker 13 (01:20:06):
I just wanted to thank you. I was at the
burial ground in New York City the other week and
we had about ten or fifteen children with us, and
their eyes just you know, popped up and when they
started to relate what was happening with all of the
wording and how long we have actually been here in
New York State.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 10 (01:20:23):
And you know what we were there at the inception
of that site and watching what it did to New Yorkers,
what it did to our soul was really deep and inspiring.
And what you're saying about looking at these kids and
looking how they react. The adults are hungry for it,

(01:20:43):
because I lecture mostly now to adults because of the book.
But the children are hungry for it too. They want
to know, they want to see themselves, They want to
understand themselves as the powerful beings that they are. And
history will do it. And this is the last thing
that this nation has ever wanted for us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Thank you very much, right, thank you Ross gentlemen. I'll
hook you guys up for sure, Doctor le Roach eighteen
hundred and four to five zero eight hundred four five
zero seventy eight seventy six and number to call speak
to doctor LEA Roach. Let's go back to Paul Quindo,
Dr de Roach. What was it about him that he was,
you know, doing this with the underground railroader and he

(01:21:25):
was successful as part of the religion as well to
make this such a success. What was it about him
himself that you think that you know, pushed him in
this direction?

Speaker 10 (01:21:35):
Well, I think he was a man of God, a
man of faith. One. Two. He was two hundred and
fifty pounds, a tall man he was, He threw his
weight around. Literally he was sent to open the West
for the Aemy Church. And he was sent in part
because he was this very vigorous, rigorous strong man. But

(01:22:00):
you know the other thing, and I have to read
between the lines. When you become an expert on a person,
you kind of have to look through some of the
narrative and work with what you have. He carried himself
with an awful lot of dignity. He carried himself with
a lot of pride. And when you walk around like that,
as a black man in a country that is condoning slavery,

(01:22:21):
you make a lot of people mad. You make people
mad today if you walk around with a lot of
dignity and pride, they call you haughty and all these
other things. He walked around with a certain amount of authority,
and he had the respectability and the cloak of the church,
and so he held himself above the law.

Speaker 11 (01:22:45):
While he is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Rush. You got a step aside and get caught up
with the latest news talking with in our different cities.
When we come back there, I len't you tell us
about Paul Quinn, Bishop, Paul Quinn family. We're going to
you know, we're doing a story right now about the
underground rav What are your thoughts you want to get
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the news that's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

(01:23:28):
rolling with us on this Thursday morning. I guess it's
doctor Schelle or Larroach, doctor Chola. She's an archaeologist and educator.
She's written a book about the underground Railroad and Paul Quinn,
Bishop Paul Quinn. So we're going to talk about that
in the moment before we go back to her, though
coming up later, we have a physician scientist, Doctor Velvet
Bowles is going to join her. Say you'd have doctor
V before she's gonna she's just back from Bekino, Fossor

(01:23:49):
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All right, doctor la Roach, I'll let you go back
and tell us about Paul Quinn.

Speaker 10 (01:24:23):
You know, if there was one thing I wish we
could learn from Paul Quinn, or there's several things. This
man lived a life that was above reproach. This is
how he conducted himself. While he is helping people escape
from slavery, establishing schools, he is leading what is called
the church Militant. People were very suspicious of the am Church,

(01:24:46):
and they were suspicious of him, but he always I'd
like to think of it as a workaround. He always
seemed to be able to get his minister his papers
in order so that if he was arrested multiple times,
as were most of the bishops of the early bishops
of the Ame Church. And you know, you think about
giving black people criminal records, they all of these early

(01:25:08):
bishops were arrested for one reason or another, often aiding
in a betting for people who are escaping slavery, and
so to look at him and how he was able
to keep himself free because he is, after all a bishop.
And remember they're not that many areas where black men

(01:25:31):
can run levels of their work. And so being a
bishop was one of the most important things that you
can do. This is before people can go into Congress.
You know, Congress is a little bit later doing reconstruction.
This is before people are doing most of these really
high level kinds of occupations work so forth. So being

(01:25:56):
a bishop is one of the most respectable and important
things that you can do. And he's using that respectability
and you know, and this is what I think we
have to think about today. We can't always now just
be forthright about what we're doing, because there are ways

(01:26:18):
in which we're going to be thwarted. We're not going
to be funded, we're going to be now if not arrested,
we're certainly going to have our books burned. And so
we have to think like these people on the underground railroad,
if they could get bring an end to slavery, certainly
we can figure out a way to get around what

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is happening to us now. And Paul Quinn was a
master at that. But the other thing that I look
at is how can you how history forgets us because
he's also you just don't know who he is. It's
amazing to me, but we didn't remember him. We didn't
keep up his legacy of the underground Railroad in part

(01:26:59):
because so effective, we didn't know what he was doing.
And the most the people who are the best at it,
and this is why we do the Resurrector series. The
people who were the best at it you don't know
anything about. If they were that good at what they
were doing, you don't know it because they came in,
they got people out of slavery, they got them to

(01:27:20):
where they were going. They did it in such a
way that they didn't raise any suspicion at all. It
was so seemles sometimes. You know, this is the thing
I love about HARRYT. Tummys. She's right in front of you.
You don't even know what turkeys. You don't expect that
this little woman who can either read or write is
out thinking you. So it's something to take away. How

(01:27:41):
can we use what we have where we are to
get where we need to go?

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
And I'm talking let me jump in here because were
raising the car. This is there so many questions I
want to ask you. I wanted to talk about the
Resurrector series as well. Before we do that, though, how
did Bishop Quinn and the other freedom fighters hired tell me,
because they had to work with the abolitionists, the white abolitions,
how do they determine which ones were real and which
ones weren't faking them out or trying to set them

(01:28:09):
up to be re enslaved.

Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
How do they do that?

Speaker 10 (01:28:12):
So you do have a lot of betrayal. You do have,
you know, twelve years of slave. It's all about somebody
setting them up and sending them back into slavery. They
tried to arrest Pulquin and send him back into slavery.
You do have to be very careful, but they're working
generally inside of known and tight networks. I'm going to
hand you off to my brother and sister up the

(01:28:34):
road twenty five miles away. They're going to hand you
off to a church member that they know. That's another
twenty five miles away. You're not going to strangers. There
are times when people come to strangers, but even then
you're sort of told what to look for and people
get betrayed. I mean they're arrested all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
You can explain some of the techniques too, how they
are ancestor has passed on these messages. We heard about
the braids, and we heard about the quilts. Can you
explain that to the audience.

Speaker 10 (01:29:06):
There's an yes. So these are people who in many
instances cannot read or write, and so you can't give
them notes. You can't give them messages. So we use
a lot of lights and windows. You know, if you
see this light on, if you think about coming crossing
the Ohio and going across, there's this house that sits
up on the top of the land with a light on.

(01:29:28):
So we use the land. We don't understand how important
the land is, just like I talk about the forbidden
nature of the Great Dismal Swamp. Well, the other thing
is he's the ranking is sitting right up on the
top of the hill with his light on. We think
that they used other forms of communication, but mostly we

(01:29:53):
know that word of mouth works very well. Singing, you know,
Tom and always talks about singing to let you know
that this is the way that we're coming. But it
also is that you know, when Marvin Gay talks about
and I know this is old school. I heard it
through the grape vine, that grapevine, that veriable communication from

(01:30:13):
one person to the next was extremely effective. And so
people makeup all not makeup. But we haven't got a
lot of concrete evidence for things like quotes. I suspect
that it's right, and we might put the laundry out
on the line a certain way, but mostly we're being told,
you're going to go, and you're going to look for

(01:30:34):
this particular thing. You're going to go, and you're going
to look for this particular person. You're going to go,
and we're going to use this particular language so that
just like you see in spy movies, they are operating
inside of this seditious network and they're using the same
kinds of signals to know that the person's safe. But

(01:30:55):
there's a lot of betrayal. There's a lot of people
who think that you're doing wrong by stealing yourself and
getting yourself out of slavery, and they will go back
and betray you. There are a lot of people whose
allegiances are to the oppressor, and that is the function

(01:31:15):
of taking these little children and polluting their minds. Very
early just like it's happening right now under different circumstances,
so that the child has the allegiance to the oppressor
rather than to their people or their parents.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Let me ask this question. I'm good to somebody question.
Got to ask you, doctor Larush. The hushpuppy thing when
the dogs are coming, is that true? Is there some
sort of internet story now the dog?

Speaker 10 (01:31:41):
No, the dogs are real. The dogs are real. They
train the dogs to trap. It's I'm just going to
break this down for you. We are not considered human beings.
Where chattle where property. They hunt us the same way
you hunt foxes. You take the dogs out and you

(01:32:02):
hunt for these people. It is a subhuman thing that
is happening. We know that the dogs are there. But
one of my favorite stories is a guy who was
planning to escape would go buy the dogs every time
he saw them and drop them in whatever little bit
of food he had. He'd feed it, and the dogs
loved him. When it was time to escape, and the

(01:32:25):
dogs went after him. When the dogs got to him
rather than tearing him apart. And they are vicious dogs.
The dogs are like, hey, hey, my friend. He gave
him a little food and he was able to make
his escape. They also know that you know cayenne pepper
and garlic and turpentine and all of these things to
throw off the scent if you rub it on your feet.

(01:32:46):
The dogs are really a very important isn't the right word?
They are very much a part of the oppressive arsenal
and trying to bring people back into slavery betrayal one.
But the dogs are huge.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
They're huge, right, was wondering about the hushpuppies the food
they eat now they call hushpuppies because they our answers
would feed that to the dogs they stop barking, and yeah,
they could make their escape. But listen so much is
a tough questions I got for you. Talk to sticks
away from the top. The Resurrector's children's book project. Can
you share that with us?

Speaker 10 (01:33:25):
Yes, we're starting a Kickstarter campaign at the end of
September if you go to the resurrectors dot com that
we just have the landing page right now. We have
decided that it's time to bring this story to children
and to reclaim our history. And the way to reclaim
it is and I practice this with Paul Quinn. Nobody

(01:33:47):
knows who he is. I have to make him important
for you. I have to make him relevant for you
and the people that we're reclaiming that you've never heard of,
that have really huge histories, maybe huge impact. I mean,
I Hanny Holland going that is the Malcolm X of
his day. And so we're writing these books for children,
a series call The Resurrectors dot Com. The children will

(01:34:09):
be the resurrectors, and we are wrapping it in magical
realism so we can keep them entertained and that they
will really then understand history as an adventure. That's something
that they want to read about and something that they
want to really imagine for themselves. So if you go
to the Resurrectors dot Com and go to our Kickstarter campaign,

(01:34:32):
because we want to own this. We want to fund
this ourselves. We don't want to have to be told
what to say or what to do, and so we're
trying to fund this ourselves. We're trying to pay our illustrators,
We're trying to really get this off into kick it
off in a really powerful way so that we can
begin to penetrate the minds of our children with stories

(01:34:56):
that are both true and exciting and entertaining and imaginative
all at the same time. So that's the Resurrectors. And
if you're interested in the book for Paul Quinn, it's
the Apostle of Liberation Amy Bishop Paul Quinn in the
Underground Railroad. So it's all of these things. I think

(01:35:17):
if we can start to think about them and use
them to empower our children and ourselves, I think it'd
be very very effective.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
All right, hold on, all right there, way, we've got
to step aside and get caught up in the ladies
trafficking weather and at different cities. When we come back,
I let you give that information again, though, but I
want to find out how has your archaeological work changed
our understanding of these freedom networks that you're right, but
you've been investigating that. I want to get that when
we get back Founding. You two can join this discussion
with doctor Larrooch. Reach out to us at eight hundred
and four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

(01:35:51):
take a phone calls. After the Trafficing Weather.

Speaker 7 (01:35:53):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
With the Most Awesomemissive the Carl Nelson Show. You're with
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Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Rock and Grand Rising family, Thanks for staying with us

(01:36:27):
on this Thursday morning here, fourth day of September twenty
twenty five. Moment, Telly, we're going to speak with doctor
velber Bowl. She's a physician scientist, just back from Bikino,
Fossa and Ghana. But right now we're with doctor Cheryl L. Roach.
Doctor L. Roache is an archaeologist and an educator, and
especially she's done a lot of work about the underground
railroaders and especially a book about Paul Quinn. Learning a
lot about Paul Quinn. But doctor L. Roach, your work,

(01:36:49):
your archaeology will work. How's that changed our understanding of
these freedom the freedom networks and some of these freedom
fighters that you've shared with us this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:36:58):
Well, you know, I've worked on huge projects in small projects.
So I'm going to talk about the large project first
and then the teeny tiny project second. So I was
one of the archaeologists on the President's House in Philadelphia,
and that was where George Washington had nine people that
he held in slavery illegally in Philadelphia and own a

(01:37:20):
judge escaped from George Washington and I hadn't known about
her for years, but I would never have dreamt that
I was going to have the opportunity to actually excavate
that site, to help excavate the site. So here we
have used archaeology to look at George Washington and to
look at own, a judge's story, which really came to
prominence after we were digging or while we were digging

(01:37:43):
that site, because she escaped from the President's House site
in Philadelphia, which is now under attack by the government.
The smallest place I ever worked was out in the
middle of the National Forest Service in Illinois, and what
I would say is that these places are humble, there's

(01:38:05):
not a lot of artifacts, but we begin to understand
the black community. I think the contribution, the main contribution
of my work is to really look at this community effort,
where they were located, how we used the land, how
we went to the next person. Because there's not a
lot of artifacts, although we do find evidence of people

(01:38:26):
trying to teach themselves to read and write type face,
for example from printers where you were using that to
learn the alphabet, slate and chalk things that we know
that people are using to try to learn to read
and write. So the small, small excavations are of homes
of places that you've never heard of of people that

(01:38:46):
you've never heard of, back up in the hall or
back up in these kinds of places that I'm talking
about that are inaccessible, that you can't get to, that
are rocky like Rocky Fork, but they generally have a church.
And that's what led me to the association between the
community and the church and eventually led me to Paul Quinn.
So archaeology is what got me to this whole conversation

(01:39:09):
about Quinn. So you see that the excavations themselves and
the subject matter that comes out of them are the
things that I think are helping us understand on the
deeper level that our homes, just like our kitchen table
was the place where we organized during the Civil rights
our homes were the major places where people gathered to

(01:39:33):
strategize and to offer freedom and sanctuary to people. Just
like countries were offering sanctuary, individual homes were offering sanctuary
to people to get out of slavery. And after eighteen fifty,
then we have another whole problem of the United States
is no longer safe. You have to go elsewhere. So

(01:39:54):
that is really how archaeology has kind of helped us
understand in a way that we didn't get it before
because we didn't think that these places were important enough
to excavate. If you think about excavations and these huge, huge, massive,
impressive sites, these little places that I'm talking about, homes

(01:40:15):
and cabins and shacks and outhouses and outbuildings and places
that people worked in the dairy and all of these
places of spaces of labor were not even considered important
enough to save. And so even when you go to plantations,
they might have if you're lucky, a stone a cabin

(01:40:35):
or stone dwelling that you can see, but for the
most part, a lot of the spaces of labor that
people would have used and occupy are gone. And so
archaeology is archaeology is reimagining, reinventing, recreating, redscribing the landscape

(01:40:56):
that would have been part of what we would have
been facing as part of slavery. And if you think
about getting rid of all those blacksmith shops and all
of those spaces of labor, it then diminishes our contribution
to the wealth of the nation because you can't see
it anymore in the preservation environment.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Got to stop it there at doctor Leroach. But thank
you for sharing all this information. Now, how can we
accomplish of your book about Paul Quinn and how can
people follow what you're doing?

Speaker 10 (01:41:27):
You can follow me. My website is doctor Cherylerooche dot
com and people can't c h E r y l
l A r O c h E doctor Cherylaroache dot com.
That's one of course, the Resurrectors Kickstarter a campaign and
that's the Resurrectors dot com and the Resurrectors dot com.

(01:41:47):
And you can also get a possible liberation. The publisher
has not been all that reliable. I have to just
say that, and so you can. But the book is
available in Amazon and I I think if you read it,
you will be inspired. The story that is uncovered in
Paul Quinn is really something that will be an AHA

(01:42:10):
moment because I intertwine his history with United States history.
So you see the end meet Church running in parallel
with the things that are going on in the country.
And I think that's important to see. We are very
clued in, we're very plugged in, We're very informed. And

(01:42:30):
the last thing I'll say about Paul Quinn, because I
want you to understand he is a master organizer and
one of the things that we know that really will
be empowering for us as we move forward in our efforts.
Is to organize is to organize, is to organize. Organize
with people you trust. Organize with people who are like minded,

(01:42:52):
who can get you where you're going. Don't work by yourself,
don't work out in public, don't broadcast what you're doing
is I'd like to say, let's huddle in the struggle,
because that's where we have to turn inward. Turn in
turn towards one another, turn towards our network, turn towards
our talk radio shows, turn towards the black press, turn

(01:43:14):
inward to get this work done, and organize in these
safe spaces so that we can continue to move forward
despite of any oppression that may come our way.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
That's some great advice. And thank you, doctor Leroch. Thank
you for sharing all this information with us this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:43:32):
You know, thank you for having me. It's always a
pleasure to be here and talk to you. You really,
you know, you get me all expired. It's just so
great to share this message with as many people who
can hear it. And you know, when it's time for
the resurrectors to come out, we have a Kickstarter at
the end of September, and we want to have this
book out by Black History months of next year. These books,

(01:43:55):
and so please be on the lookout for us. Visit
our startup page and support us in the kickstart campaign
so we can really own our own history and get
this message out in a way that will empower our children.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
All right, and we'll work with.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
You on that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Let's let us know and we certainly have you back
on on that. Thank you, doctor, Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:44:15):
That's great to know. We'll hold you too.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Yes, yes, ma'am, thank you again for sharing all this
information on learn so much this morning. Family. We're doctor
Cheryl L. Roach. Anyways, ten half the top there, Doctor
velop Bowsey is up next, Doctor doctor v. Thank you
for being so patient with us. Doctor Developed Bullse he's
a physician and scientist. Grant rising, Doctor Bulls, welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 7 (01:44:35):
Well I am just excited. I was listening in and
doctor CHERYLA. Roach, I certainly want to talk to you.
You are inspiring and just hearing that something is being done.
You know, Carl that likes me on fire because coming
on the heels of what was just presented is very

(01:44:56):
apropos my topic, as you we're telling me, was the
whole conversation of my recent trip back to the continent
of Africa, and I wrestled with how to introduce that,
and I think that Docula Roach has already done it.
My concern in talking about the ancestral homeland, many Black Americans,

(01:45:21):
grasping for something, grasping for foundation, grasping for identity, have
somehow sensationalized the idea of traveling to Africa as if
they're going home, instead of thinking of it as an
ancestral home. And one of the things that was traveling
me is I think that Black Americans should first have

(01:45:44):
an identity and not expect that they're going home in
the sense that someone's waiting at the door with arms
open saying welcome. Because our absence for four hundred years,
that's twenty generations, and the people there have gone on
with their lives and they don't know we're missing. And

(01:46:06):
when I talk to a number of Black Americans who
are traveling back to the continent have done DNA testing
identifying tribal lens and territorial lens, are going as if
they're expecting a welcome to go biblical. And you think
about the prodigal son, how the father rushed out and

(01:46:27):
draped his son with his cape and gave him Arie.
And that, to me is not a healthy point of
view when we're thinking about traveling to ancestral homeland, and
I wanted to be sure to get that out up front.
But I think Gocular Roach offered even a more promising

(01:46:48):
point of view, and that is, let's know more about
what being black American means. Let's see the tenacity of
our ancestors right here on the US or North American continent.
So I was very happy to be listening in prior
to the start of this show, because I think that's

(01:47:11):
a wonderful testimony to say we need to know more
about ourselves before we think that we're going to assimulate
with something we've been gone from for four hundred years.
I mean, the people in Africa continue to live, and
though the teachings to many of us as we're going home,

(01:47:32):
we're going into a place where they didn't even know
we were missing twenty generations. Heals a lot of absence,
and we may go from the disappointment in America and
heading into what is a surreal understanding when we think
about traveling to the continent of Africa. So I'm very

(01:47:52):
glad that I was able to get that up front.

Speaker 6 (01:47:56):
And it's just.

Speaker 7 (01:47:56):
Wonderful to come on the heels of someone who's saying less,
embrace the history, which is American. Let's understand the people
we've become over these last twenty generations. So that was
the hoping I was hoping for. So I thank you
very much for that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Well said thirteen half of the top of that. One
of the things too, that you know, for folks who
go to Africa for the first time, they're blowing away
how the infrastructure is so similar to state side. They
you know, I don't know what they're thinking, but they're
thinking that what they well, I guess what they think
what they hear about in the news and what they
see on TV, just like how the African brothers and
sisters see the negative issues about US state side. So

(01:48:36):
when we go there, I mean my first trip to Johannesburg,
I was blown away. I mean, Perrier Water, I get
the Washington Post same day. It was just, you know,
the Cape town was like Santa Monica, the wine district
in South Africa, and they're not clamoring to come to
the United States. As Donald Trump wild like to tell
people that you know, all Africans are trying to get here.

(01:48:58):
The roads are the same, the signs are instead of
in green and white or we have here in blue
and white. What struck you when on your first first trip?

Speaker 7 (01:49:08):
My first trip was a long time ago. I traveled
to Africa in the late seventies. I was in Liberia.
I taught school in Kakata and Monrovia many many years.
I turned twenty one on the continent of Africa, so
many years ago. So that was my first trip. My

(01:49:30):
second trip, most recent one was about three years ago
when I was in Tanzania. And this trip, of course,
I think topped them all because I traveled to Akra,
Ghana and then to Kumasi, Ghana, onto Walladugu Bikino Fasso
and from Walladugu we attended a conference in Kimodugu. We

(01:49:54):
were treated in the Bikino Fasso in my opinion, like diplomats.
It was a very special convoy. The people I were
traveling with. I had my ideal Carl of the status
of many in that group. The group. I was seventeen
and we left out of Acraa. But we were joined

(01:50:15):
several times by different groups that were coming out of
Canada and other places of the world. So at one
time I think our group in Bukino Fossil may have
swelled to thirty, but the original travel group was about seventeen.
We were escorted around the country in Bukino Fosso to
see the memorials monuments of Thomas and Kara, and if

(01:50:41):
you don't know his story, it's worth learning. We did
a tribute a libation to him because the memorial includes
the place where he fell and died, the wonderful mausoleum
that was built by a very talented African architect. And
of course I'd never heard of him. His name is
Francis care Francis Carey has done architecturally like Floyd Wright.

(01:51:07):
In my opinion, we look at you know, the Europeans,
and we look at the When we study architect you
talk about Romans and Greek and different kinds of stuff.
I had never heard of an African architect, but what
the young To my eye, he doesn't look like he's
fifty yet, but the work he has done is just outstanding.

(01:51:30):
It's geometric, it's mathematical, and the mausoleum at the Thomas
and Cai Memorial. Just to show you why I was
so impressed, he used triangular columns. And when I said,
people say, I don't know what you're talking about. What
I'm describing is although the mausoleum is a circle, it's
a huge circle.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
In right there go got stepiside for a few meanes.
I want to get here this. I want to hear this. Also.
I want to hear the difference in your reception what
you got in a craw than when you when you
went to Bkina fossil FI want to get in on
this conversation with doctor Bulls. Reach out to us at
eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and well take your phone calls.

Speaker 7 (01:52:07):
Next change For people who have been traveled widely, the
exchange rates vary whether you're exchanging one hundred dollar bill
or a ten dollar bill, so they charge you more
to exchange smaller bills. So consider that transportation was readily
available at the airport when I got to Akra. You

(01:52:28):
had your taxis, you had the hotel vans, so there's
no shortage of transportation. I stayed one night before going
to Kumasi in Akras And if you say, what did
it look like? I was at the Airport View Hotel
for those who want to check that out. And the highway.

(01:52:50):
If you've ever driven in Atlanta and you see where
US twenty and US twenty six and eighty five all
merges when you're looking at the twelve lane highway, that
was a kin to the level of traffic moving in
and around that hotel. So you're not talking about some
rural little place when you say the capital of Ghana.

(01:53:13):
You're talking about a metropolitan city. The hotel had wonderful accommodations,
three different restaurants. One was a gourmet buffet with two
chefs that would come out and talk to you about
your food. They had a balcony cafe that was open
twenty four hours. They had a lovely pool with an
instructor if you wanted to take swim lessons. So the

(01:53:35):
idea of going to Africa, I hope, is not fixed
to what we see on TV with the Tarzan movies,
or when they do the documentary they only talk about
the animals at the Serengetti, or if they're showing people,
they show us the Massai tribe we're talking metropolitans, just
like New Orleans or Chicago or New York City. So

(01:54:00):
that's that's the point. I guess a lot of people
may not be ready to hear or even think about.
You're not going into the bush, You're going into a
metropolitan city.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
So true. So how are the people? Was there a
difference because the Canaian people they're known for their hospitality,
you know, welcome home and then trying to you to
welcome home.

Speaker 7 (01:54:23):
It's when I'm trying to dispel they are very generous people.
I'll say yes. For instance, when I arrived at a crash,
so many little things since I didn't go through an agency,
I booked everything myself and I can talk to some
of the difficulties getting the visa and whatever. But when
I got there, my phone needed to be charged. The
first thing I know is that the European electrical circuits

(01:54:47):
are not compatible with the United States, and I hope
everybody heard that. So I learned to buy what is
compatible in Ghana, which was the British and then when
I went to the Keno Fossil, I had to buy
a compatible plug for the French. So be aware that
what we have in the US is not the same

(01:55:08):
kind of electrical circus. And I mentioned that because when
I got to a car, my phone was dying and
I didn't have my suitcase handy and I couldn't immediately
charge my phone. So heads up, you might want to
have a battery of what it says secondary battery charge
or a charger with you, because you can run into

(01:55:29):
that situation. And there was just a young fellow in
the airport who came and said, oh, let me show you.
So he led me to someone's office and that person
allowed me to charge my phone on their system, which
was compatible. And I call that a generous nature. No
one had to do that for me, and certainly there's

(01:55:51):
no way I could know how to do it. So
that kind of hospitality, I think is just inherent in
the people that they want to come and they want
to make it easy for you. Same with travel. As
soon as I got to the airport, there was an escort,
not just someone who wanted to get a tip or

(01:56:11):
get a taxi, and they came and said, may I
help you? Are you waiting for someone? Are you trying
to get transportation? So I thought the hospitality was very
high and well it Kinoslas. It is still very guarded,
I'll put it that way because currently, as I mentioned,

(01:56:35):
you can't fly direct from US to Bikinos So there's
some political issues there. Uh if you have any association
with France, because we had one person who was born
in France trying to join our group and they were
not permitted in. So there is some political stuff I'm
not pritty to. And what that means is when you

(01:56:55):
arrive in Wagga Doogle and you have to learn to
say Wagga Doogle because that's the name of the airport
that you land in Bikino Fosso. Once there, the hospitality
was very high, but so was military visibility. It was
under high security watch at all times.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
So do you run into roadblocks, checks and all that's
going on.

Speaker 7 (01:57:21):
When we were traveling despite our status and I think
we were of diplomatic status because we had escorts several times.
But let me just give you some background. When we
got to Wall the Google and they won, you show
us their industrial area. That's so important to mention. They
had tolled roads, Carl just like you would pay toll

(01:57:41):
in New York or in Houston. You drive up, you
pay toll and you got on this very nice interstate
like highway that my understanding has been implemented by their
president over the last three to five years, and it
was marvelous highways. We met huge trucks carrying all kinds
of goods from those neighboring countries of Niger and other places.

(01:58:06):
And we went to a section called Industrial section. And
along these major highways we saw a Coca Cola plant
being built and I'm like wow. We saw stadiums coming up.
So on the industrial highway where there was a lot
of infrastructure, there were a number of, like I said,
transport trucks bringing in goods, bringing supplies. There were huge

(01:58:31):
companies being constructed. Some manufacturing is real. So the streets
that have been worked out or I guess the interstates
definitely are there. And I don't know the numbers that
I've heard quote quotes of several hundred thousand infrastructural interstate
highways have been put in now. We also traveled to

(01:58:51):
some rural areas. But it needs to be said that
the things that President Trai Seti's doing I saw with
my eyes. He has a trade school that has been
built under his ostices where they're training young people how
to weld and other kinds of supportive skills. And it's

(01:59:12):
a boarding school and they've implemented photovotechs to supply electricity,
so although it's in a rather remote site, they have
full power to allow them to study late in the night.
So it's a lot of things. We went to an
elementary school and I'm talking children from four to six
are learning well, of course multiple languages because French English

(01:59:35):
and then whatever the tribal I think Twee may be
their tribal language there. I'm not sure they rate. It's
something going on that's active, it's dynamic, and it's really
there's not just propaganda, so they made sure we saw
a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
All right, thank you for sharing that thirty minutes at
the top of our family with I guess doctor Veilviboshi's
a physician, scientist. We're going to get into CO nineteen
since you've gone to doctor Bolls, COVID nineteen is re
emerging again. But before we do all of that, though,
because you were on the campuses of some colleges and
universities while you were in Africa, can you share that
with us as well?

Speaker 7 (02:00:13):
Oh, when I flew into a cra I didn't have
an agenda, folks, I didn't have anybody turing me. I
just is sort of going by wing. And I'm very
grateful because I learned about the Colombing ruma University of
Technology and Science, science and technology, and I have since

(02:00:35):
learned Carl that this is one It is in the
top six percent of universities in the world. So this
is not some little backwater university. It was a premier
standing in nineteen sixties. Even people at this university had
roles in nuclear energy development. I was just shocked that

(02:00:57):
I had never heard of it. It is seven years old,
is what I learned. I visited with the Dean of business.

Speaker 12 (02:01:05):
I was really.

Speaker 7 (02:01:07):
Impressed with their master's degree program requires the students to
do eighteen courses, where in America we only do ten.
Thirty six credits in the US will get you a
master's degree. In most programs, they have almost forty or
more than forty credits. Their great point averages are equal
to what we measure. So you might say, well, what, no,

(02:01:29):
if we have a three point oh and say that's
a B level, they're three point zero is of a
B level. I was impressed in every possible way. I
attended what they were calling Hacker One. It's a program
they introduced where the first year master's degree students, all
of them looked like children twenty two years old. I

(02:01:50):
had to laugh. I said, I'm againner's real what twenty
two looks like. The industry of CEOs and various companies
can come and present a dilemma or a problem, and
the young people are allowed to confer in a group
for about fifteen minutes and come back with suggestions. And
I tell you the level of intellect, the energy of

(02:02:12):
these young people coming up with possible solutions, and when
they would be presented no that's not possible, because or
that's not possible, they didn't get There was no one disappointed.
The eyes didn't dim they went right back in. They
wanted to know, Okay, what can we do? What can't
we do? And I had a chance to actually give
them a dilemma and host about a thirty minute session,

(02:02:36):
and that was just marvelous. It was like, well for me,
it was a being honey. I just had a marvelous
time working with these exciting, energetic minds. I also met
with the chairperson of agriculture and just sharing what they're doing.
The big put by a lot of the nationalists is

(02:02:57):
to save the original sea eat to crops. The big
messages do not go GMO, and they were saying that
if they go GMO, that will be a way that
the G sevens or G nine's or whatever the power
players are can starve the continent of Africa. So their
big comment is, let's save our original seeds, let's start

(02:03:19):
a national seed vault. So I was excited about the
intellect and the approach things, and I can keep going.
I mean, this university campus is huge. If you've ever
been to LSU as big as LSU, as big as Duke,
it has spread out, it is wonderful. And the young
people mostly walk, so they're in good shape. You do

(02:03:42):
not see the level of overweight and obesity that you
see among the American students. So I mean, I can
just praise and praise.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Well, jump me here. I'm glad you made that observation
because on one of our trips to Ghana with uh
c ks, doctor uh I'm his name just escapes right now, No, no,
not no, not Professor Coumbo. But he's been on here
several times, he's, uh, wow, somebody helped me out with

(02:04:14):
c Ks a doctor. Anyway, we're we're at we flew
into Across and then they had a banquet for us,
I think a day after or so. So all the
sisters were there and I said this before on the air.
And they got their head done and you know, they
all the braids and you know, I guess they got
rid of their wigs and all that, and they all
had African garb. So we're at the banquet and we're

(02:04:35):
standing there, doctor Paul Goss, That's what I was looking for,
and we're trying to figure out who which, who's a
part of our group, and who's with the Ganaans. And
he said, man, that's easy, he said, he said, those
are ours, the over sized ones are ours. So and
and I know you're laughing and we're like wow, but
it's true. Explained it because you're you're you're a physician

(02:04:58):
and a scientist.

Speaker 7 (02:04:59):
Explain Kelly. I had to laugh because I'm not an
obese person, but I'm at age. I've put weight on
more than I liked. But I had to laugh at
myself because when I was there was at the engineering hotels,
on campus and I was like, I said, wingy it, guys.
I did not have a guide. I did not have
an opportunity. And in Gunna, after they finished a Backe's degree,

(02:05:24):
all young people have given one year of national service.
I thought, that's marvelous. So why do I mention that
giving a year of national service mean you work at
a hotel, you work at something to give back to
your country. And there was a number of young professionals,
just you know, college graduates who are doing national service.

Speaker 14 (02:05:43):
And I took.

Speaker 7 (02:05:43):
Advantage of that, one young man who referred to his
English name being Henry. I went to Henry and I said, Henry,
I want to meet your dean of business. I want
to meet your chairperson. So he was laughing. He had
just graduated from the School of Business. He had no position,
no clout, but because the American woman was asking, he
put in an appeal. So this is the point I'm

(02:06:05):
telling you. He came to me and he said, well,
doctor Bowles, can you ride a bike? And I said yes,
I was thinking a bicycle car. He was talking about
a motorcycle and I had to laugh because when he
got the motorcycle, I said, you want me to ride.
He said yes, And I said, I am so glad

(02:06:26):
that I'm not so obese that I would have been
embarrassed to be able to ride with him on his motorbike.
And he says, here in Camasi, we ride three people
to a motorcycle, and I'm thinking you wouldn't ride three Americans.

Speaker 2 (02:06:45):
Wowlett, Doctor Bowles, we got to take a short break here.
We'll come back though. Let's talk about some local issues
that's going on, especially COVID. They said, COVID is breaking
out now and back in california's going a real bad day.
They're wearing the mask. And I know you told us
about with the COVID that it never went away, but
some now, somehow it started spreading. Now, I want you

(02:07:07):
address that when we get back. Family, you want to
join our conversation with doctor Devil Bulls. I message, she's
a physician, scientist. Reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll
taket phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
And Grand Rising Family, thanks for sticking with us on
this Thursday morning here with our guest doctor Velva Bulls,
Doctor Woles. I mess she's the physician, scientist. It's just
back from the continent. But doctor Voles, since you've been gone,
it seems like that's a song. By the way, since
you've been gone anyway, since you've let been away COVID
nineteen and you told us that it never went away.

(02:08:05):
It's always been with us. But it seems to be
reaching levels now that in California they're asking them to
wear to wear masks.

Speaker 7 (02:08:11):
Your thoughts, Okay, what is so important is that we
and I'm going to say we for Black Americans Now,
I'm going to speak of the group I am most
familiar with. We get lolled into a kind of complacency.
What we hear on the TV, we take it as gospel.

(02:08:32):
What we can google and find out, we think is
all there is. Bottom line is Black Americans are at
higher risk. Please hear me of any type of.

Speaker 12 (02:08:45):
Viral infectious disease when they have low vitamin D levels
in their blood, when they have any kind of as
they said.

Speaker 7 (02:08:58):
At CDC years ago, come marbidities. And I don't think
anyone really grasped what that means. Coal marbidity says if
you are taking a medication because of your heart, because
of high blood pressure, because of diabetes, because of your kidneys,
because of your lungs, you have a coal marbidity. So

(02:09:23):
if you establish that, the next point is the big
campaign for vaccination was really for money in the pockets
of Pisan Moderna and so forth, And you don't hear
about it now because they've gotten a reasonable amount of money.
They were making billions of dollars. I am not a

(02:09:44):
fan of Robert Kennedy per se, but some of what
he is saying, although some may be ridiculous, well, some
of what he's saying is also true. The dependents are
vaccines alone during COVID nineteen was a mistake. There should
have been other alternative treatments offered. What is happening in

(02:10:08):
California is inevitable when you have a population sick with
any kind of disease, whether it's polio, influenza, COVID nineteen.
We excreted the virus. You know what are you're talking about?
Excret When you urinate, When you peed, the urine will
contain some live viruses. When you go and you have

(02:10:30):
bowel movements, the stool will contain some live viruses. You said,
why am I talking about that. In the United States,
we have a closed sewage system, meaning we process sewage
through a sewage station, and the ultimate thing is we
recycle the water. That may sound very unadvertising, but it's

(02:10:52):
also true. There is seven to eight steps when it
goes to a sewage plant, but ultimately the water that
flushed your stool will be the water that comes back
in your tap. Yes, they will put chlorine in it,
they will spread over rocks, it'll put it through a
filter of sand. In some places they may even use

(02:11:14):
other chemicals, but ultimately it comes back in your faucet. Consequently,
if there's a population at screening COVID nineteen and their
urine and their stool, it will show up in your water.
And that's essentially what's being reported by the public health
people is that they tested the water and they are

(02:11:37):
finding the virus. And if you did not know the
United States as a closed water system, that.

Speaker 10 (02:11:44):
Will be a shock.

Speaker 7 (02:11:45):
But for me it's not a shock because I know
that's how it works. There was a scandal in Haitiaity
where they sent some people to that country who had cholera,
and the cholera that the people brought to Hati killed
twenty thousand Haitians because it got into their water system. So,

(02:12:10):
to answer your question, Carl, COVID nineteen isn't going anywhere.
It will rise and fall as far as killing people
or making people sick based on the baseline health of
the people who are in that vicinity. If you have
low vitamin D or you have a poor immune system
and you get exposed, you don't have to just get

(02:12:33):
exposed and someone sneezes on you. So that's the idea
of face mask in places like California. If you're drinking
the water, if you're brushing your teeth, if you're washing
your face with the water, you are being exposed to
COVID nineteen. So your best defense is to have your
body strong enough to decease virus or not let it in.

Speaker 2 (02:12:57):
Let me tell me here thirteen to ware's on top
of that. You've got a health challenge or a health question,
or you need a second opinion with your health issues.
This is a lady you need to talk to. It's
a physicis inside this doctor velvet bulls and you can
reach her at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. And I have to use your real
name or your real city. If you don't people know
your business. I get it, but please take advantage of
her expertise. Doctor V. Another issue that took places since

(02:13:20):
you've got this came through tomorrow. You probably saw this.
In the state of Florida now is ending all vaccines.
All vaccines you think about children. I want to get
your thoughts on that all vaccines. Children don't have to
get vaccine in the state of Florida and some other
states are red states are thinking about doing the same thing.

Speaker 11 (02:13:36):
Your thoughts, Okay?

Speaker 7 (02:13:38):
I laugh because there is a term that I grew
up with said, don't throw the baby out with the
bath water. This is sort of that kind of thinking.
A little bit bad does not mean everything is bad.
There are vaccines, and this is where I guess I
stand firm. What was offered doing COVID nineteen by Justin

(02:14:03):
Justin and Maderna and Pfizer was not a vaccine, I repeat,
was not. Vaccine has a very clear definition and what
they were injecting was not consistent with that definition. Vaccines
have been around about one hundred and fifty years, and

(02:14:25):
vaccine saves lives. When I trained at Tulaine. I did
internal medicine and pediatrics, and I'm here to say that
for the pediatric population it can be life saving. There
are infections that can kill children, that can render them death,
can render them blinds, can render them crippled, that we

(02:14:48):
can totally prevent through real vaccines. Measles is a good example.
Momps are a good example. We have that history and
it works. German measles for pregnant women is very important
to vaccinate against because a pregnant woman getting German measles
can cost the child, can really debilitate a fetus. So

(02:15:13):
saying no vaccine is a foolish thing to do if
you're truly talking. The real vaccine developed one hundred and
fifty years ago. It saves life and it prevents morbidity.
So that's my position. But when you make a message
oar in a in the laboratory and you put it
inside of a vehicle that was intended for precision medicine

(02:15:37):
and you call that a vaccine, that's not correct. I
think that was intentionally misleading to many people, and there
are consequences we have yet to realize from that particular vehicle.

Speaker 2 (02:15:52):
All right, ten away, for the topic. I got a
treat questions for you, Tweeter says, ask doctor Bowles, what
does she think about the changes of the RF case
initiating with the agency under his watch, including the CDC.
Is that a good thing? Or will will we be
experiencing more disease outbreaks?

Speaker 7 (02:16:09):
It's good and bad. What Kennedy is doing is shaking
the system. And anytime there's change, unfortunately, you dislodge some
things that are good along with some things that are bad.
I believe that there was some complicity. What do I'm
talking about? I think CDC did not stand up for
the people. If it's a center for disease control and prevention,

(02:16:34):
it did not do its job during COVID nineteen. It
did not stop the Anthony Foucy jargon. It did not
stop the scare tactics that John Hopkins was complicit with
by giving how many people are dead and so forth.
It did not prevent them from turning sick people away

(02:16:57):
from hospitals because they didn't have a or they didn't
have what they call the hallmark symptoms of COVID nineteen.
So there was they were useless when the people needed
them the most. There were not instituted public health preventatives
which we have available to us. School should not have

(02:17:19):
been closed universally. Only the rich still got educated. Because
we had ultra violent rays to penetrate and kill the virus,
we could have allowed children to go to school. They
needed that socialization. We had three to four years where
children did not have peer group dynamics and psychologically that's necessary.

(02:17:42):
So some of what Kennedy is saying is reasonable. All
of what he's saying I don't agree with.

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
Got you not a way for the Tabur family. Again,
if you got a health challenge, this is a lady
you need to talk to. She's a physician, scientist. Name
is doctor Veilvi Bull. She's out Louisiana. And again, you
don't have to use your name of your real city,
but take advantage of expertise. And also, you know, if
you know a friend who's got it, you know, ask
has a problem. You know, you call in and ask
for your friend. Here's a tweet that I got for you,

(02:18:11):
doctor Bulls tweet that says, will paull your and measles
come back to haunt us? Because what's going on in Florida.

Speaker 7 (02:18:17):
Absolutely, there has already been a resurgence of measles in
the United States for about a five I think five
or eight year period, we could clearly say measles does
not exist in the United States, I think in Texas
and New Mexico. And this was almost a year ago,
they were starting to have new cases of measles show up.

(02:18:40):
And what many of you who have been measles free
don't know. Measles can kill not just children, but the
elderly adults do not do well with the measle virus.
We generally when you're over sixty, if you get measos,
you don't I mean you die. You get something called

(02:19:02):
measles and cephalopathy, which is a brain infection, and we
don't recover well. Children get very high fevers with measles,
like one hundred and five one hundred and six. So
if you have never treated measles, you can miss the
signs that can ultimately lead to neurological injury. Measles can

(02:19:22):
cause deafness. Entered ear infection with the measle virus can
result in death mute. If someone is pregnant and they
get the general meass that child can have blindness in
our deafness because it hits the neurological development of a fetus.
So measles is really a bad actor and we had eradicated,

(02:19:45):
or you consider something completely gone to resurgence. Young doctors
don't know how to react neecessarily recognize measles. We were
taught look in the mouth for something called colop kop
lic k and it's a swollen tongue and it kind
of looks like a strawberry. I don't know what pathologists

(02:20:06):
saw a strawberry, but that's what they teach us. If
you've never seen it, you can't diagnose it. So it's
like sending the medical institutions backwards to retrain people, because
right now, if we had a resurgence of measles, you
better be calling some of us out of retirement because
there is going to be death at the door because

(02:20:27):
it's not that easy to know what you're looking at
if you've never met it before.

Speaker 2 (02:20:33):
Sticks away from the top of doctor bulls and tweeters
are in fact, this morning, I got another tweeters talk
to about says that I'm forty eight years old and
colon cancer runs in my family, and I want to know,
is there an alternative for colonosc colonopsisy, should I take
a kolonopsy? That's what she wants to know.

Speaker 7 (02:20:54):
Pee is just a way to see it. Your blood
test should show something called the EA actually the letter C,
the letter E, and the letter A. That is a
highly sensitive protein that is high in the blood if
you have polyps or cancer reoccurrence. It is not the

(02:21:16):
standard of care. But if for whatever reason, you are
afraid of a colonoscopy and you don't want to do
the mail in test, because the mail in tests you
actually take some stool, put it on a little card
and mail it in so you don't have to have
the actual visualization. But if it runs in your family,

(02:21:37):
by all means you need to do some kind of
laboratory testing, whether it's a stool sample or you're requesting
blood CEA levels.

Speaker 2 (02:21:47):
Right, and she was forty eight, but I I understand
that at seventy five, seventy six, you don't have to
do those tests.

Speaker 7 (02:21:53):
Amy, what you're telling you, let me tell you what
don't have to do means you're so close to death
finding out whether you got coen cancer won't matter. I mean,
you have to be careful about how they're teaching what
is important or not. If you're seventy five and you're
agile and you got a clear mind, ignore that ridiculousness.

(02:22:14):
If you want your body one hundred percent and you
want to be tested, go get tested. Don't let anyone
convince you it doesn't matter. If you're concerned, it matters,
all right.

Speaker 2 (02:22:26):
We've got to step aside for a short time. We
come back though. We got some the tweeters are up
and they got questions for you from across the country,
and we'll read some of those tweets. Got questions and
the family, you too, conjoin this conversation. Don't be bashful.
You got a health concern or a question, you should
because health is wealth. Without your health, you don't have anything.
So you've got to or you know somebody has a
health challenge and that or you've got one and you
need a second opinion. This is the lady you need

(02:22:48):
to talk to. This's one of our smart sess. This
is a physician, scientist, and you can reach her again.
You don't have to use your real name, of your
real city at eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
Next, You're fucking with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 2 (02:23:13):
Rock Angrin Rising Family actually rolling with us on this

(02:23:34):
Thursday morning with our guest, doctor Belva Bolsa mentioned she's
a physician signedist. She's just back from Africa. She told
us about our trip, but now she wants to help
some folks. You got a health challenge, of health question,
or you need a second opinion about health. This is
a lady you need to talk to and you can
reach her at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. Let me do this first, doctor doctor
Bulls to call it into the studios. Wanted to know

(02:23:55):
about the water system that you mentioned. She said that
did you say it's a closed sister in America? She
wants you to if you can dive into that little born.

Speaker 7 (02:24:03):
Okay, Well, they used to teach this in health class,
and when I was teaching various universities, particularly in Colorado,
we would take field trips so that people could get
a first hand look at what sewage plants do. Unfortunately,
many of us compartmentalize. We think of things only this

(02:24:24):
and only that. In the United States, what a closed
loop means is no water is wasted, that there are
no open soores. If you travel to some countries, you
will see open soures in some remote sites. I can
say in Louisiana there are some open ditches. Closed system
mean that once water has been introduced, it goes through

(02:24:48):
the system within a closed loop. That we don't have
to go to a mineral spring or pump water from
an ocean or lake. That once we have a dedicated
water source, it never runs out because we cycle our water.
If that's surprise to you, you might want to go
and read about what is the sewage system in the

(02:25:10):
United States that's been going on maybe more than two
fifty years. That's why we chlorinate. That's why your water
sometimes are heavy in chlorine, like in Flint, Michigan, when
they talked about heavy lead in the water, and there
was a neighborhood adversely affected by the lead. That's because

(02:25:31):
the pipes that was carrying the water in that closed
system had lead in it. In some cases, some of
the older infrastructures, such as in Philadelphia, they have ceramics
and they can get a high contaminant if the ceramic
pipe gets broken, are fractured. So if you haven't known

(02:25:52):
that there's a closed loop in water system in the
United States, you might want to take some time and
read about sewage treatment plants. Anybody who lives near a
hospital or near some kind of facility where there's a
lot of sick people, the chances of having high residual
medication in your water is a risk. There are always

(02:26:16):
notices telling you do not flush your medications. Like an
elderly family member dies and they have heart medicine or
cancer medicine, it used to be a practice where people
just flush the medicine. That's a bad idea because you
are introducing these medications into the water system, which is

(02:26:37):
a closed water system, and they can only in water
sanitation or water purification. They only remove what they suspect
is a contaminant. So if you're introducing things like chemotherapy medicines,
the cardiac medicines, by flushing it, you're introducing something that
may not be removed before it to the end user.

(02:27:01):
So if that's a shock to someone, you might want
to review the source treatment plants in America.

Speaker 2 (02:27:07):
All right, and we got a bunch of folks want
to talk to you. Let's go to line too. Felicia's
checking in from right away. I stay so our Silver
Spring in Maryland. Felicia grand Rising, you're on with doctor Bulls.

Speaker 14 (02:27:18):
Hi, good morning. First, thank you so much for being
on and letting us ask questions. So I have a
question about vitamin D. I'm out for walking my dog
right now. I'll walk every morning, but my vitamin D
levels are always low. And I've tried medication like orally,
and then I've also had somewhere you rub into your

(02:27:38):
skin and supposed to absorb, but it makes me stick,
it makes me have GI symptoms. One time I was
taking it, it was kind of dizzy, nauseated, severe heartburn,
And I said, what is going on? And I went
and looked up the symptoms and I had a lot
of the symptoms. So then I was told you have

(02:28:00):
to take vitamin K in order for vitamin D to afford.
So I'm just like, am I within? I like, what
do I do to make sure I get enough Vitamin C?
Like I said, I walk out. I'm outside in the
sun right now, and that's every morning I walk two
and a half miles and for some reason, I'm not
getting enough vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (02:28:18):
All right, thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:28:19):
Makes my question first come in is for African American
absorption of vitamin D or I should say conversion of
vitamin D by the sunlight varies with complexion. So the
mom meddling meddlin that you have in your skin will
affect how good of a conversion rate you get from

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the sun. Many women, African American women, particularly the more
pigmented women than the fair skin women, we converge a
hormone to vitamin D in our skin. And what triggers
that conversion is sunlight light. And the reason from what
I have discerned why African American women may be chronically

(02:29:06):
low in vitamin D is we are indoors.

Speaker 10 (02:29:09):
Now, there was a.

Speaker 7 (02:29:11):
Time we were in the fields. You say, you walk
your dog, but my grandmother would say she had twelve
hours in a cotton field. If you were to have
talked to my dad and he did brickery laying and
he would be roofing, you're talking ten to twelve hours.

Speaker 6 (02:29:26):
In the sun.

Speaker 7 (02:29:27):
So when we say we're outside, we're talking maybe an
hour hour and a half sometimes two. So by definition,
we're not as available to the sun transition. And then
the pigment in our skin slows a conversion down. How
do you get enough vitamin D three? I have stress

(02:29:48):
that vitamin D three alone is not going to give
you what you want. If you were taking it by
yourself or your body at some store that was just
selling it as D three, I'm not surprised your body
not absorb it if you're taking D three without K two,
not vitamin K, but vitamin K two. The number two

(02:30:09):
has to be there because vitamin K is a totally
different entity. I don't know who named them. I'm sorry
that they did that, but if you're talking about absorption rate,
you want vitamin K two, not not just vitamin K.
The second thing to know, Vitamin D three is absorbed

(02:30:29):
with fat. If you bought into the idea everything got
to be low fat, low fat, milk, low fat, this margarine,
not butter, then no, vitamin D is not well absorbed.
It requires fat. In fact, when I was administered to
the elderly at the senior Center, they would usually want
dry toast with ta and I'd say, no, We've got

(02:30:51):
to have one bit of butter on the toast because
we are giving you vitamin D. So vitamin D requires
a fatty ke. Whether you put butter on toast or
put butter on your grits or whatever, you must have
some fat present for your vitamin D three to be absorbed.

(02:31:11):
I'm I don't get kickbacks. I've been told I should
probably package your vitamin casing. But there is on the
market a D three K two that is so that
I can say is very helpful. So if you're buying
a supplement, make sure K two and D three are

(02:31:32):
both on the label. I bought it directly from Walmart.
They do package it. And if you're taking it to replenish,
if you know your vitamin D is low, you need
to start at five thousand units a day, and personally
I take between five and twenty thousand. So I get
the chewy, I like the candy flavor. I take it

(02:31:54):
after a meal. It's like my dessert. And I do
that particularly when I travel, such as when I travel
to the continent recently.

Speaker 2 (02:32:03):
All right, got some more questions and more folks want
to talk to you, doctor V. Since you talked about vitamins.
Let me read this tweet, says Grand Rising. Doctor V. Please,
in addition to vitamin D three with K two, vitamin
C and zinc. What other natural supplements do you recommend
to protect and eliminate the COVID nineteen virus. That's the
first question. The second question is, secondly, can you please

(02:32:24):
provide us your recommended natural supplements, herbs and protocol for
neuropathy that presents that presents us pain and numbness in
the legs and extremities.

Speaker 7 (02:32:35):
Well, the first question is relatively easy, and I am
considering maybe I should do an immunology package. What you
described When you say vitamin D, three K, vitamin K two, zinc,
you are describing three protection agents for your immune system.

(02:32:57):
You cannot launch and in unity like IgG IDM or
whatever without a reasonable amount of vitamin D in your body.
If you are low vitamin D, you are immuno deficient.
So that's the first point. So whenever the winner comes
or you know you're going to be exposed. In my case,

(02:33:18):
I worked the emergency room for many years and when
flu season was coming and when COVID was raging, I
started my protection regimen. And that's how I see it.
I am protecting against the virus attachment. That's that's what
zinc does. It prevents it of influenza it prevents COVID

(02:33:40):
nineteen from attaching to your nasal membranes and your throat.
When you're taking D three and K two, you are
telling your body make more immuno sites, which are the IgGs,
the IGAs, and so forth. So when you're in a
season of influenza, or if you're traps to an area

(02:34:01):
you haven't lived in, your body will be meeting pathogens
that's never met before. So the zinc, the vitamin D three,
and vitamin K two are just an added armor, and
you can't take that instead of a healthy lifestyle. And
if you're smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, eating junk food, those

(02:34:24):
three things will not suddenly make you impermeable. You have
to have a baseline of health in order for those
nutrients to help you. So it's very important to understand
that you are supplementing, you're not replacing. So if you're
doing something that's damaging and then you want to do

(02:34:45):
D three, K two and zinc, it's not a magic bullet,
all right.

Speaker 2 (02:34:51):
Thank you Dot twelve AF the top day. Jason's calling
from Temple Hills in Maryland. Online four Grand Rising. Jason,
your question for doctor Bulls.

Speaker 13 (02:35:00):
Yes, thanks for taking my calls doctor, so we hear
about the negative effects of.

Speaker 9 (02:35:06):
COVID vaccines.

Speaker 15 (02:35:08):
Is there any way we can reverse some of this stuff?

Speaker 16 (02:35:10):
Any recommendations chrs.

Speaker 7 (02:35:12):
Well, my first coming is there are COVID nineteen vaccines
are no negatives. If you're referring to fizom or derna
and JAN zero, those were not vaccines. What they were
injecting was a message NA for the spike proteins, and
the thinking behind that was if the body recognized the

(02:35:36):
spike protein, then it could defend itself against COVID nineteen.
That has now without any reservation stated it is cost
that the innoculum given at the beginning at twenty nineteen
through twenty twenty one does not prevent COVID infection. So

(02:35:58):
you should know that if you took the inoculum injection
and you introduced in your body a message arRNA which
makes a spike protein. It has also been shown in
some people they had reverse translation, meaning the message DARNA
got incorporated into DNA. How what do you do about it?

(02:36:21):
There has been nothing that I have read or seen
by any laboratory that says how do you get rid
of it once it's incorporated? The answer to Your question
is I don't know, and I don't know if anyone knows.
If the question is what will happen if reverse translation
took place in your body? What will you expect? The

(02:36:43):
answer is I don't know. But we have evidence that
women who took the inoculum was making spike protein expressed
in breast milk. We have reason, We have evidence that
spike protein has been expressed in some liver. When they've
done autopsy, they found the protein in the liver. So

(02:37:05):
we have evidence that in some people, not all people,
the message ARNA did get incorporated, But the conquences we
just have to wait and see.

Speaker 2 (02:37:18):
All right. Fourteen after the top, I take some more closes,
go to New York City Queens so to be exact,
King has called us on line five. Can your question
for doctor Bulls?

Speaker 17 (02:37:27):
Good morning, doctor Bulls. My mother I have a recently
I optously done on her breast and it came back
with calcium and they want to do surgery. Is non cancerous?
Is the surgery necessary?

Speaker 7 (02:37:45):
Well?

Speaker 18 (02:37:46):
Colsification says that she either had assist or some kind
of invasion.

Speaker 7 (02:37:53):
When you say necessary, Here's what I would have to
ask you if the Colpification is hard like a rock.
And if it's positional, let's say your mom lays on
one side or the other and it hurts, or if
she wears a bra and it irritates. The word necessary
is what I'm working on here. Medically, would she have

(02:38:15):
to have a calcified luck removed? No, there is no
indication that anything calcified will cause horretically. But if it's discomfort,
if it has a pressure ulcer, then for you know,
it's not doing anything good. And if the surgery is minor,

(02:38:35):
then it's to comfort rather than say medical issues. But
a calcified lesion seldom adversely affects you medically.

Speaker 17 (02:38:46):
Thank you for your answer.

Speaker 2 (02:38:48):
Thank you King sixteen a half the top. Always do this.
Let's take a break and we come back. Got some
more folks want to talk to you. Got a question
of health question? Doctor Velvet bulsh is a person you
need to pose a question two and you can reach
her at eight hundred for zero seventy eight is seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls after the shortbreak.

Speaker 1 (02:39:09):

Speaker 2 (02:39:32):
Thank grand Rising family, if you thanks for sticking with
us on this Thursday morning and thank you for speaking
with doctor Bulls. Got a health question? Reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six Jeromes in DCS online six Jerome your
question for doctor Bulls.

Speaker 4 (02:39:47):
Uh, yeah, good morning.

Speaker 8 (02:39:49):
I have a question about the COVID vaccine and you
seemed to be conflicting messages about it. So is there
any empathy when you should or should not get the
COVID vaccine?

Speaker 7 (02:40:09):
Well, what I think is important is to be aware
of what you mean by COVID vaccines. There are over
a hundred different COVID vaccines and a number of countries
developed them. Israel has one, Russia has one, China has one,

(02:40:30):
Canada has one. In the United States, from twenty nineteen
to twenty twenty one, Advisor Maderna and Johnson and Johnson
presented an inoculum.

Speaker 18 (02:40:47):
And it was allowed to be called the vaccine and
CDC Anthony Folcy and others were complicit in convincing American
people to take the injection from Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer
and Maderna, those are not vaccines.

Speaker 7 (02:41:12):
And as I told you, there's over one hundred vaccines
for COVID nineteen. So if you're talking about the true
definition vaccine, those are available. If you're talking about what
Maderna and Johnson and Johnson and Pfiser injected during those
three years, that was not a vaccine, and no one's

(02:41:34):
really making a big distinction, but they should. If you
took the inoculum that was given by any of those
three companies I mentioned, you were receiving a message uring
a that was synthesized in a laboratory, and the message
was against spike protein that has now been unequivocally stated

(02:41:57):
it does not prevent a COVID nineteen infection. So when
they were saying you need a booster, and then another booster,
and finally they stopped talking about boosters because it's demonstrated
that that particular inoculum did not protect the people against
COVID nineteen infections. So if you didn't get that message,

(02:42:19):
I am now telling you if you're talking about a
COVID nineteen vaccine that is the conventional vaccine, it may
provide some support if you have a strong immune system.
If you have a comorbidity, and I mentioned them earlier,
that cludes anything with your heart, your lungs, if you

(02:42:40):
have diabetes, a systemic problem, you have sickle cell anemia,
then convalescent antibodies would be more protection during an outbreak
than any vaccine, because people who have compromised immune systems
do not benefit from vaccine. And I don't think that

(02:43:01):
has ever been said that clearly or expressively on TV
or through media, and that's part of the confusion.

Speaker 8 (02:43:09):
Right, So I think that we're given in the US
do not provide any protection.

Speaker 7 (02:43:17):
Does not prevent you from getting an infection from COVID nineteen.

Speaker 9 (02:43:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:43:22):
Arman's just jumping here because I know a person, a
friend of mine relative who's got COVID, just got COVID
and had had the shot and had the booster as well.
So that speaks to the question that Jerome is asking.
But Jerome, I thank you for your cocause we've got
a bunch of folks got questions for doctor Velvet Bowles,
doctor v eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight to seventy six or twenty four minutes after the
top there, Thomas is in PG County is online two

(02:43:44):
A Grand Rising Thomas your question for doctor Bowles?

Speaker 16 (02:43:48):
Oh, yes, Grand Rising, I wanted to ask a question
after being in the classroom of Dick Gregory, doctor Lennett Hall,
which doctor Savie, doctor Lee Muhammad, and also your classroom
during the pandemic. Where do you stand in the things

(02:44:09):
that Kennedy is doing? Are you in agreeance or totally
disagreeance with what he's doing? And my opinion, I think
that listening to all of them, they would be in
agreements with him of the things he's doing, removing the
red dye of fluoride from the water, of the vaccines,

(02:44:29):
and everything else Where do you stand with the things
that he's doing?

Speaker 7 (02:44:35):
What Robert is suggesting is not new. The fluoride discussion
was when I was in Earth medic school back in
nineteen eighty, eighty five, eighty six. Nothing he is saying
is new. The fluoride put in water was on a
one person's decision. It's supposed to fortify the teeth and

(02:45:00):
discussion of dental cavities, so universally they put fluoride in
the water. My question is what's good for one may
not be good for all. So the argument that Robert's
making is legitimate. There should be some discussion whether or
not I want to be exposed to fluoride because somebody
else wants their children's teeth to be strong, they can

(02:45:22):
buy fluorinated toothpaste. So if I look at what Kennedy
is saying, he's resurrecting old things as well as some
new things. But the bottom line I hear from him
is the decision should not be made by CDC. The
decision should not be made by the Surgeon General or

(02:45:42):
Anthony Fauci or who. His alarm, if you like, is
simply saying people, you need to stop marching like ants.
You need to stop acting like sheep. That when you
hear something about the help, you should explain more clearly
and speak up. You shouldn't just say okay and fall

(02:46:04):
in line. So with that, I say, alarm sounding. I
think it's overdue. We need to sound the alarm. I
think the power of American Medical Association, the power of
the Center for Disease Control, the power of WHO is
two excessive, and their decisions are not based on people's

(02:46:27):
health alone. Too often, unfortunately it has been influenced with
finance that the money that was made by Pizar Johnson,
Johnson and Maderna on something allowed to be called a vaccine.
And my opinion was duping the people. I don't think
honesty was the focus. So I don't know agree one

(02:46:48):
hundred percent with Robert, but I understand what he's doing,
and I think what he's doing is really overdue.

Speaker 2 (02:46:56):
Yeah, and he's going to explain that to Congress today
as a matter of fact. That thank you for your call.
Eight hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight to
seventy six or twenty eight after top Now, Johnny's checking
in from Long Beach, California's on line three Grand Rising
Johnny a question for doctor vailber Bulls.

Speaker 9 (02:47:12):
Doctor books. I'm seventy five years old, and maybe I
hadn't probably with my equilibrium to where I have to
anticipate in my moves before I move, and sometimes it
doesn't go well and I'm'm taking any harsh falls or
anything like that, but I'm concerned about it.

Speaker 6 (02:47:35):
What can I do well?

Speaker 7 (02:47:38):
To start with all information I have is age. The
first thing if I am evaluating what you just described,
the ear or the inner ear is one of our
major equilibrium organs. So what you need to talk if
you're going to go for an evaluation, I would first
make sure audiology, meaning you have nothing on your inner ear.

(02:48:01):
That could cause you an imbalance because your balance starts
with your ear. The second thing is called propioception. Proprioception
is a parasympathetic nervous system control mechanism, and that's where
you know your position relative to space. So if you
ever step on a swinging bridge, you have to take

(02:48:21):
a minute because your mind has to catch up with
that movement because it's an unusual movement. The testing to
find out about proprioception is called a Pelt test, and
what that involves is they lay you on a gurny
and then they slowly take the gurney backwards. In other words,
your head becomes lower than your feet. And if you

(02:48:45):
have vertigo or sensation of swimming, or different kinds of sensation,
they can diagnose whether what you are describing is within
the brain or within the central nervous system, or if
it's within the ear. But if you're having what's called unsteadiness,
it can be cerebral gait and that's the tilt table

(02:49:07):
test can tell you, or it can be a vestibular
inner ear issue, and that's what an audiologist can tell you.

Speaker 9 (02:49:19):
A vertical a long time while.

Speaker 7 (02:49:22):
Back, well, vertigo again is a symptom that can't be measured.
Only a patient can tell me about vertigo. I don't
have a machine where I can measure vertigo, but the
causes can include again the inner ear, and that would
be an audiology exam. The tilt table is very important

(02:49:44):
and people who have central proper receptional neurological causes for
the sense of unsteadiness. That is the test to take
and it's usually performed by neurologists.

Speaker 2 (02:49:59):
Okay, all right, thanks Johnny, Thanks you call all righty
thirty minutes after the top of our family. Just keep moving.
Speak to doctor v Let's go to nine four. Tyrone's
calling from Baltimore, Grand Rising. Tyrone, your question for doctor Velvilbots.

Speaker 15 (02:50:14):
Yeah, call, I have a question regards to the war.
Now we all got to use water, you clean ourselves
or drink it. I was one of your thoughts on
reverse osmosis and types of bottle war that we could
buy you feel as safe, as well as what you
think about your thoughts on home water proivocation systems all.

Speaker 7 (02:50:41):
Doctor ball locations. I know when I was in Florida,
a number of friends had salt purification systems that connected
the municipal water to their house. Uh, you can always
take that extra step. And if you're taking the extra step,
you're doing exactly what I was describing. You're removing whatever

(02:51:03):
might be residual in the municipal water. You can always
a reverse osmosis is certainly one of the most efficient
ways to clean water. I work with a number of
people in developing filters, and that is the gold standard.
Very few people have reverse osmosis on their homes because

(02:51:26):
it can be expensive because you have to have a
number of components, one of which is the charcoal which
has to be of a certain quality and you have
to remove and replace it. But reverse osmosis takes water
to its purest form. In fact and laboratories and many hospitals,
that is the process by which they take the city

(02:51:48):
water and then send it through reverse osmosis before we
do laboratory testing with the water. If you've ever bought
distilled water, what that means is the water has been boiled,
held and the steam is collected and anything that was
in the water before it boiled is left in the pot.
So there are ways you can get a Brita filter.

(02:52:10):
If you have to use water that's medicinal and you
can you're worried about it, brita filter which can get expensive.
You can have that in your home and you only
drink the water after it has gone through that filtration system.
So individuals can take action, but they need to know
that anything that is municipal, coming from the city, provided

(02:52:34):
by the government is a closed system water.

Speaker 15 (02:52:38):
I had one more question about people who lost their
job because they refuse to take a vaccine. Is there
anything that the medical system in the government is doing
to compensate those people that refuse to take it?

Speaker 7 (02:52:50):
As I know there has been grassroots groups, but I
haven't heard it. See that would be another manner for
Robert Kennedy. He was very much a proponent saying that
CDC let us down, who let us down? And certainly
NIH And that's true that when they made those three

(02:53:11):
inoculums the primary things that Americans were supposed to get
to me, that was an infringement on our freedom of choice.

Speaker 2 (02:53:22):
All right, thanks Dyron. I got a tweet question for
you twenty seven away from the top two that says,
would you ask the doctor what can be taken for
pre diabetes? Person gone to say, I never had diabetes
before and after blood work taken recently chose. My AIIC
value is six point four.

Speaker 7 (02:53:41):
The primary and this is another thing is interested in.
So they're talking about Robert Kennedy. I read a treatise
that he wrote, or at least he recovered that said
that diabetes is really a pathology of the pancres. And
he's absolutely right. It can be a nutrient deficiency. Why
there is an elevated HbA one C. There was a

(02:54:04):
big push at one time to take chromium or they
had supplements that had chromium in it, and it was
reversing high glucose levels. So the bottom line is, again
I don't agree with everything that Robert Kennedy is saying,
but from a biochemical point of view, the terminology diabetes

(02:54:26):
is a commercial one. That's how they give you drugs,
that's how they label you. When you go to the doctor,
they say what is your diagnostic code? It's two hundred
and fifty point three, which is diabetes by the IC
nine code. So anytime a disease becomes a monetized entity,
and diabetes definitely is, I think it needs to be reviewed.

(02:54:51):
So if they're prediabetic, I would say your diet is
deficient in a nutrient, and the nutrient that can contribute
to that an elevation would be low chromium.

Speaker 2 (02:55:06):
Got you twenty five away from the top. Daw Sean
John's checking in from Atlanta. He's online five Grand Rising.
Shawn John, you a question for the doctor Veilvaballs.

Speaker 11 (02:55:16):
Grand Rising called doctor v Uh, Doctor B. I have
my left the left side of my my hip right
in great shape. I get a pain that comes down
from my hip that comes through my leg. It goes
down my leg. It's when I'm sitting, doctor v When

(02:55:37):
it's when it's cold. That's what I notice, is all
when it's cold, I'm in a cold place, I get
the blood pressure, blood float, got it, I guess generate
going down in my hip. But sometime I get it
and I have to pause this reach out.

Speaker 15 (02:55:49):
I just have to pause.

Speaker 11 (02:55:51):
And it depends what I'm eating that something They may
be the food and the food. But it's a sharp
pain that comes from my hip, left hip that goes
down my Then that's kind of paused for a minute
to kind of like take a deep breath second kind
of relaxing. The other time, of course, when I'm in
warm weather or it's warm. I don't get that sensation
only when it's cold and I'm sitting said, and I'm

(02:56:14):
very active in all of that. So what is that translated?

Speaker 6 (02:56:17):
Where is that?

Speaker 11 (02:56:19):
Nobody know to answer to the question. But even with
the food sometime I'm eating it kind of tighten tightens
up or what happened?

Speaker 2 (02:56:26):
All right, San John, we gotta step aside for a
few moments, Doctor V. I'll let you respond to that
question when we get back. Family, You got a health
concern and a health challenge and just want a second opinion.
Reach out to our guest right now, doctor Flber, both
don't hope that somebody's got the same issue that you have,
and we'll call in. Don't do that, be proactive and
ask the question eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six, get you in and we'll take it.

(02:56:47):
Calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:56:53):

Speaker 2 (02:57:16):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for staying with us
on this What is this the fourth day of September
twenty twenty five. I guess doctor VELV bolls Doctor V
as I mentioned she's a physician, scientist. You got a
health challenge of health question, or you've got a friend
who's got one, and I have to use your real name.
If you don't appear in any business, I get that,
but take advantage of her expertise and make sure you
ask you a question. Tomorrow it's Friday, we will invite

(02:57:38):
you to join us for our open form Friday program.
Don't wait to the last minute, the many If you
wait to the last minute, we can't get you on.
We begin promptly at six am Eastern time right here
in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, and also in the
DMV on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen
fifteen WL. All right, doctor V. Remember Sean Jones in
Atlanta's question about.

Speaker 7 (02:57:56):
His being in his left life really was a very
good description of what we call nerve ssiatica pain. He
described it pain starting in his buttt and moving down
his leg. That it can be intense at times, It
comes and goes. It is affected by whether sometimes he

(02:58:18):
is in good shape otherwise and he exercises. Because of
what you described, we call it sciatica pain. It can
be because there's a narrowing of the canal where the
nerve comes through the spinal cord. It's episodic becauseous positional.

(02:58:38):
If that particular vertebra has what we call a growth
or a little bit of a toe on it, then
when you sit a certain way or stand for a
certain time, the irritated pressure of that particular knobby or
a rough spot will cause the nerve to tingle. Sometimes

(02:59:00):
that will become numb, and sometimes it's almost like an
electrical shock of pain. If you are over the age
of seventy and the pain is not constant, using different
kinds of capisine, like pepper. Capusine is the source of pepper.
Certain kind of capisin rubs can relieve the acuteness of

(02:59:25):
the pain, the numbness. Really, we don't have anything for
that other than just keep moving around. It does not
indicate loss of function unless for the few minutes that
is hurting or numb you can't move.

Speaker 14 (02:59:39):
But we are.

Speaker 7 (02:59:39):
Aware of sciatic of pain for some people as constant.
In those cases we recommend surgery.

Speaker 18 (02:59:47):
But for someone in.

Speaker 7 (02:59:48):
Good shape and for this to be episodic, the best
you can do is what we call word out, meaning
rubb its, use creams or when it's particularly debilitating, rest
and allow it to recover. Sometimes in time.

Speaker 11 (03:00:04):
Yes, I'm still yeah, yeah, I'm glad you bring it out.
Everything you right on point real quick. And I do
a lot of deep stretching exercise, you know, sign of
steam room Like I said, it kind of it independs too,
doctor v I can eat something, and I said, oh,
and I'm sitting like a cold places not to take
a moment. Of course, they're kind of like blood flowing

(03:00:27):
out like oh, but sometimes they come real sharp and
be hitting me really a sharp tinge and kind of
running down. But you hit it right on point. I'm
doing what I've been doing, like doctor Winnaker said. Yeah,
he said, keep doing what you was doing and the
deep stretching and doing those kinds of things. But I
was just noticing that, just paying attention to my body.

Speaker 7 (03:00:46):
What you were talking about, Well, if you hadn't taken
njesic map person, I think that's the brand name a Lee.
It's better than chila all or an ibuprofenson can to
be an anti inflammatory that works better with sciatica than
some of the other energies.

Speaker 2 (03:01:07):
Gotcha, Thank you, Sean John good luck eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six fifteen away
from the top of Now, let's go to Baltimore, Line
six Lalita's. They're waiting for a doctor Bulls doctor vied.
Ladita's got a question for you.

Speaker 4 (03:01:22):
Hi.

Speaker 19 (03:01:23):
Oh, thanks, So I'm taking my call and I'm glad
to have you with doctor both. I have three questions
and I'm gonna try to make it really quick. The
first one is I want your opinion on wearing masks
that maybe like T in ninety five. Third question is
can reverse osmosis I mean and stilled water? Can they
be remineralized?

Speaker 10 (03:01:44):
The last question is.

Speaker 19 (03:01:48):
When I eat sugar, I tend to get congestion in
my lungs and it's kind of hard for me to
bring it up. And I was wondering what would you
suggest in terms of something that can bring up congestion
that feels like if you come dried up?

Speaker 7 (03:02:04):
Okay, first, sing first. NP ninety five mask is an
approved mask that does not allow the size of the
viral micron through So if you were working in intensive care,
or if you're in the operating room, or in some cases,
if you are in an emergency room high trauma place,

(03:02:26):
an NP ninety five mask is one that can prevent
inhalation of viral particles. So NP ninety five, if you
have it, it does work. None of the little over
the counter or blue mask that you see on TV
in the surgery room, those do not block the virus.

(03:02:48):
If you are in a highly contagious environment, I recommend
n P ninety five. Second question, reverse osmosis. It is
a type of filter. If you're thinking about it for
your home, you have to buy a system where you
pop the cartiage in and you pop it out. Reverse
osmosis is, in my understanding, the gold standard for purification

(03:03:12):
of water. It is the only physical filter. The other
purification equaled in its cleanliness is distillation. So if you
boil your water and capture the steam, that's the purest
that you can get. And I'd say equal to or
just under it would be reverse osmosis.

Speaker 19 (03:03:31):
Filtration was going, If you can excuse me, I was
wondering if it could be the mineralized because my understanding,
I believe it if removes minerals as well.

Speaker 7 (03:03:40):
That's by definition when you talk about osmolarity, you're looking
at how many minerals per area of water droplets. Because
it will give you a charge and As you remove minerals,
you decrease osmolarity, and when you take it to zero,
that means you've removed all minerals, and that by definition

(03:04:02):
is demineralization.

Speaker 19 (03:04:05):
Can it be remnialized like can you buy some drops that.

Speaker 7 (03:04:11):
As you've put anything in it, you've introduced a new mineral.
If you stir it with a spoon, you've just introduced
some minerals. Because the spoon is a stainless steel, You've
introduced some iron particles, You've introduced some carbon particles. So
that's why demineralization. We usually keep it in a glass
bottle with a cap. But as soon as you touch it,

(03:04:33):
if you put a spoon in it, if you touch
a nask into it, whatever can be dissolved in water
is redissolved. So yes, easy to remnialize. Okay, now about
pulmonary secretion. We know that certain foods increase pulmonary viscosity, meaning, uh,

(03:04:54):
if you drink a cow's milk or bovine milk, some
people will react to the drinking of bovine milk with
high flim They'll have plym in the throat, they'll have
a running nose, they'll have if they have any kind
of long disorder, they'll wake up in the morning and
do that horrible sound some people make to clear out

(03:05:14):
their lungs and their ore currens. So we know that
certain foods and compounds increase mucus secretion. And it sounds
like from what you've discerned, sugar is one of the compounds.
And I think you're talking sucrose when you say sugar.
Uh that that would that is a known carbohydrate that

(03:05:36):
can increase mucous production.

Speaker 19 (03:05:41):
Thank you for your herbs, since you would recommend or
something that will helpfully herbs that would work.

Speaker 7 (03:05:46):
Is ginger tea. If you will drink ginger tea, it
will cut through flim Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:05:53):
Thank you, all right, thanks Lolita, thank you. It's come
full circle though, doctor, because you just got back from
the continent. Did you do the brothers and sisters you interactor,
Do they have similar health issues that we have here,
you know, like hypertension and diabetes. Did you see a
lot of that?

Speaker 7 (03:06:12):
Absolutely not. In fact, I can get to China. I
did interview. They were very gracious. At the university I
mentioned in Kumasi, I met with the chair of the
medical school I talked with one of their surgeons. He
actually pulled three of the instructors so I could talk
with them. I talked to two clinicians and they have

(03:06:33):
a much lower hypertension and cardiac profile than we do
in the United States. I was really impressed with the
level they had, distinct professors from Arizona from Utah coming
to learn techniques that were going on there in Kumasi.
But the answer a question, no, our chronic diseases are

(03:06:55):
not their chronic diseases.

Speaker 2 (03:06:59):
Well what are they chronic diseases?

Speaker 7 (03:07:01):
Well, parasitic is more, malaria is a big one because
the mosquito is hard to stop. The water sanitation where
we look at liver flukes and the migration of flukes.
So their infectious disease department would be much more, what
can I say, sophisticated than what you would find in America.

(03:07:22):
We have specialized infectious disease center like in Atlanta at Emory,
and I know Oschner Hospital here in Louisiana has certain
infectious disease but their big one would be the tepsi fly,
the malarian fly, the pilalarian flukeworm. So the kinds of
things that would be parasitic prone.

Speaker 6 (03:07:44):
All right, doctor, this region.

Speaker 2 (03:07:47):
Nine away from the top tweet question that the first
it says you didn't provide an answer for us, and
he says, can you, oh, she I don't know who
it is. Can you please provide us your recommended natural
supplements and protocol for neuropathy to announced to that correctly.
That presents that presents as pain and numbness in the
legs and extremities for neuropathy.

Speaker 7 (03:08:09):
The first thing, and I always emphasize this, you want
to have good basic nutrition. And that one's a hard
one because what is the basic nutrition? That means that
you are not only eating starches or breads or sandwiches.
If every meal has bread with it, then you are
heavy on carbohydrates. That you are not choosing a single meat.

(03:08:32):
I've met some people only eat chickens or only eat eggs.
You want to have a variety if you're trying to
have balance and you don't have a lot of money.
I know it's hard to have salads in your diet,
but you may want to start a garden for no
other reason than to grow your own vegetables and your greens.
When I talk about vitamins, I'm talking supplements. No one

(03:08:54):
should ever believe that you can substitute a balanced meal
with supplement. Supplements are meant to assist you if you're
having neuropathies. The most valuable supplement is your B vitamins,
and that's B six, B twelve. They rebuild the nerve coding.

(03:09:15):
So if you are diabetic by definition, you will be
low in your vitamin B complex because your body is
constantly trying to heal in the thelium. So if you
don't have much money, get a good multi vitamin. If
you're over fifty, look at Centrum silver children One a
day used to be a very popular vitamin. You want

(03:09:38):
something easy to digest if you're over fifty, avoid things
with iron sulfate. If you've got to take an iron
maked gyor tall, go with the liquid. So my comment
is vitamins are not a solution. They are supplements, all right.

Speaker 2 (03:09:56):
Six away from that tafe, I ask the kind of
personal question for you doctor. They're asking me, but I'm
going to ask you, he says. The person says he's
curious to know what inspires you to offer this information freely,
And he says, he says, he asked that because there's
so many of us that can offer inform, instruct our community,
but we don't because we sort of want to benefit
from offering the assistance. First, it goes on and say

(03:10:18):
what makes you so unique?

Speaker 7 (03:10:20):
It does mean no good? What however to know how
to fix it and then don't try to fix it?
In my mind, I have been given a blessing and
it's my job to share it. I mean, I'm not
a robot. I do have needs, but when I all
my needs are met, it makes me generous.

Speaker 2 (03:10:45):
So it's in you to give back correct, Yes.

Speaker 7 (03:10:49):
Yes, what does it serve me to know and not
tell you?

Speaker 2 (03:10:54):
Yeah? And that's the question because so many and as
you mentioned, so many of our people won't do it,
especially attorneys. You know, in LA we have cadre of
attorneys just like yourself who did come on the radio
and do pro bono work and people had questions and
they would deal with them. But on the East Coast,
difficult times. If any lawyers out there want to come
out and help our people, like doctor VELV. Bulls, doesn't
medically just give me a call, you know, because we

(03:11:16):
need to help them, you know, we need our help.
That's part of the problems that we don't do and
when we get these advanced degrees and whatever it feels
it we're in, we don't come back and help our people.

Speaker 7 (03:11:26):
We could let me do a shout out for you, Carl,
because I keep bumping into this and I have to
tell them I don't have this expertise. If there are
and I'm sure there must be estate planners among us
because my trip to Africa, there were a number of
people in our group who was looking to invest. And
there is some deep pocket people. I mean, they really

(03:11:47):
are ready to put the money where the mouth is.
The bad news is advisors. You know, if I talk
to someone and they're gonna nikolnn die, they three thousands
for this, thirty five hundreds of this, and I can't
tell you about this unless you pay me this. That's
a limitation of the entire race. I mean, there are
groups that are looking to move big money. They're talking

(03:12:10):
hundred million dollars, fifty million dollars, and we need the
protection that people such as our president has when they
talk about a trust fund or they talk about estate planning,
and I am finding it extremely difficult to find a
knowledgeable person about estate planning who is not Nikolin diming

(03:12:30):
or worse than that, some kind of a sham artist.
They want some money and or they'll tell you something
that can.

Speaker 6 (03:12:36):
Send you to prison.

Speaker 7 (03:12:38):
So we need to do better with how to handle money,
and particularly among black people.

Speaker 2 (03:12:45):
Hey, I agree, We're going to try and do that
on Monday, with I think maybe Tuesday one of our
guests coming on and talk about that at State Planning. So,
but doctor v U, we got about sixty seconds and
Aaron in Baltimore has a quick question for you online too, Eric,
Can they make it real quick for us?

Speaker 7 (03:13:00):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (03:13:01):
Is almonds and so I milk better than homoginized white
milk for human consumption?

Speaker 7 (03:13:09):
Okay, almond and those are nuts milks, meaning they're not
milk at all. It's finally ground nuts put water and
it looks white or gray in collar. When we talk
about milk, there's usually a lack caate component in America
is bovinge or cow. But if you can't do cow milk,
there are other milk such as sheep and other animals.

Speaker 2 (03:13:32):
But go to go it there, doctor Bee, because we're
just flat out of time. But thank you again. Family,
You're done for the day. Yeah, it's kicking us out
of the studio, so stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy.
We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in
Baltimore on ten ten WLB within the DNB Right Fam
ninety five point nine and hey have fourteen fifty wos

Speaker 3 (03:14:03):
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