Sadiki Bakari, Dr. Kokayi Patterson & Michael Imhotep on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday, a hump
day usually but a getaway day for some later futuristic
researcher brother Sideki Bakari will report to our classroom. Brother
Sudeiki is an AI artificial intelligence specialist. This morning is
going to go real deep with us. It's going to
talk about the complexities of motherboard technology, highlighting the critical
issues of on healed memory and metadata. Before brother Sudeiki,

(00:24):
DC activist doctor Kakai Patterson will check in, but momentarily
Detroit historian Michael Imotep will join us. But first let's
get Kevin Rodman the classroom doors for us on this
Wednesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey, Carol Nelson, Grand Rising and Grand Rising Indeed, Brother,
and it's kind of like one sip of coffee. I'm
only running on one sip right right now, so pardon
me as I make this brief.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, how you feeling, girl Nelson?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm still learning, Brother, I know I'm going up between
I guess the morning Mike Lamo tap coming up which
always comes with a lot of faction figures. And then
also the doctor Kakai and also brother Saidki is going
to take us real deep. So yeah, I'm still I'm
going to learn a lot this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
It's the compound effect. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You learn this and add that to it, and as
long as it's all relevant, you know, you come out
super educated.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Man, you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
But the key is if you learn something new, adopt
it and go with it. Don't hold on to the
old stuff just because it's old. And you know Grandma
told you something like your friend told you.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Or at least be able to quote it at least
once or twice.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
And during the day once you once you've learned it,
once you quiet.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
As we are learning now that Washington d C.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
May Or Murriam bows announced yesterday she won't I said,
won't seek reelection next year, teeing up a high stakes
race to lead the nation's capital during the remainder of
President Trump's urn. She says, it has been the honor
of my life to be your mayor, but today, with
a grateful heart, I'm announcing that I will not seek

(02:06):
a fourth term, she said in a video on X
on the X platform. The fifty three year old Bowser,
who has served as mayor since twenty fifteen, said in
her video a number of accomplishments during her tenure, such
as a deal to build a new football stadium in
the city. So she's that's under her belt as her honor.

(02:28):
And she also steered the city through the tumultuous chapters
in the recent history, including the protests sparked by the
murder of George Floyd in the summer of twenty twenty.
The city council. Yeah, yeah, come up. Yeah, So she's
not going to run again. And what are your thoughts
on that?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Car interesting because you know, she was getting hammered by
some sections in Washington about her relationship with Donald Trump,
and some people thought she caved in and gave too
much of Donald Trump. Well, let's see, now she has
nothing to do. You know, she's lame duck, if you will.
So let's see if she goes for it with Gusta.
Let's let's see if that changes. Kevin, and that changed

(03:09):
because some of the folks were really there's a lot
of talk, uh, not just on the internet, but in
political circles in the district about her not being effective
enough going after Donald Trump and capitulating to everything that
Trump does. But you know, some people say she was,
you know, trying to thread the needle because she wanted
this this stadium for the Washington commanders. That was that
was her core, right right, Yeah, yeah, she did.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So you're saying she's an now she's basically saying take
this job, and.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
And she can tell them that and well she Let's
see if she how strong she goes defies Donald Trump.
But you know they're trying to replace the attorney journal
in the district as well, they're trying to turn that
over to Congress. So let's see how much fight she
fights for the district now against the Trump administration. I
guess that's that's a better way to put it.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Her potential successors are Kenyon McDuffie, a city council member,
and Johny's Lewis George, another city council member. And this
election will determine who's going to take a place, and
the candidates will of course represent different perspectives.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
On key city issues.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
But congratulations to DC Mayor Muriel Bouncer.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think she did a great job.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
What the key to watch though, to Kevin on this
issue too, is that if Donald Trump's supports or comes
in the back of one of the particular candidates, if
he gets involved. He wants somebody or that they think
it could run the district in the way they want,
so don't rule that out as well.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Right on, right on, right on.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Look, it's November twenty sixth, the pre holiday Wednesday, so
you know, thanks for your time, Carl, I'm gonna turn
it back over to you.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, and before we go, just one news note here.
The Reverend Jesse Jackson has been discharged from the hospital,
so yeah, yeah, so Rebit's back home. He's fighting a
neurological disease. You know, last week people are writing him off,
I mean, been doing his eulogy now. But he's well
enough to go back home, so well, hopefully he recovers fully.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, thank god. Yeah, here's your guests. I'll give you
the honors of introducing all.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Right, I guess family from Detroit historian Michael amotep Grand Rising. Michael,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Hey, Carl and Kevin, how your brother, How your brother's
doing today?

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Blessed and how they favored Thank you still learn that's good.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
We're looking for you for some some education this morning.
Michael about Thanksgiving, you're saying it should be mistaken or
misgiving or what's the correct terminology in your eyes, it
should be well.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
You know, some people used to term Misgiving Day, and
doctor Shaka Musa Bear Shango that wrote the book The
African People in European Holidays and Mental Genocide, talked about
Misgiving Day. But many Native Americans on the fourth Thursday
in November don't celebrate Thanksgiving. Me celebrate a national day

(06:13):
of mourning or commemorate, I suld say, commemorate a national
day of mourning. For many Native Americans, what we have
been taught to call Thanksgiving and what became a federal
holiday in eighteen sixty three by President Abraham Lincoln during
the US Civil War, for many Native Americans is a

(06:35):
day of mourning, a day of reflection, a day to
deal with their conditions, and it's not a day of celebration.
And what's interesting, brother Carl, is that we've talked. We've
had this conversation before when we deal with history, when
we talk we talked to some of my teachers like
Professor James Small or doctor Lenna Jeffries. And when you
have my friend profession and a new and pemon in

(06:57):
scholars like that, we talk about how we've been strip
of African history and culture, and we've been taught to
see reality through the eyes of Europeans. So oftentimes we've
been taught things that are good for Europeans are automatically
good for African Americans. But many times that is not
the case. So when we look here at the history

(07:18):
of Thanksgiving, I've been studying this history for years and
I've studied all the European holidays we've been taught to celebrate.
You know, Thanksgiving Day is a federal holiday in the US,
and what we celebrate as Thanksgiving basically has this origins

(07:40):
in sixteen twenty one in the Plymouth Colonies when we
talk about the Pilgrims, and it is based upon this
mythological celebration that the Pilgrims have in November of sixteen
twenty one to is a celebration, uh, regarding them surviving

(08:05):
the first winter. Okay, But as in many holidays, as
in many things dealing with the history of this country,
the mythology that has printed, that has been presented, that
has been put in cartoons, that has been taught to
school children, the mythology is totally different than the actual history.

(08:28):
When you start studying the actual history.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Okay, So.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Just just just a few things and then you know,
we can you know, go to questions or open it
up to the audience if you want to. Uh, the
when we look at Thanksgiving, I'll also have to associate
it with Columbus Day, Okay, dealing with another colonizer, right,

(08:54):
because just as Native American activists have demanded the removal
of Christian for Columbus statues and push to transform the
Columbus holiday into acknowledging into the acknowledgment of its brutality
towards Indigenous people, they have long objected to the popular
portrayal of Thanksgiving. And when we talk about the first Thanksgiving,

(09:19):
which is what it's called in sixteen twenty one, even
though they didn't call it Thanksgiving, then this also involves
the Wappinog Native Americans, okay, which was a larger group
of various Native American tribes. The Wappinog and the term
Wappinog means people of the first Light, Okay. And there's

(09:41):
a very interesting article from the Washington Post from twenty
twenty one called this tribe helped the Pilgrims survive for
their first Thanksgiving, they still regretted four hundred years later, Okay,
And when you start digging into of this history, brother
Carl and Brother Kevin, you start understanding the devastation that

(10:08):
Europeans inflicted upon Native Americans, but also that devastation we
have a shared history with Native Americans and African people. Okay,
even though you have, you know, some Native American tribes
that enslaved African people as well, the chocow Chicka, Saw Creek, Cherokee,
Stemino Indians right would have known as the Five Civilized

(10:30):
Tribes of Native Americans. That's a deep history. And the
movie that just came out called Sarah's Oil about Sarah
Rector in Oklahoma who became all a woman, a girl
of African descent, and she was her ancestors were enslaved

(10:52):
by the Muskogee Creek Indians. That history gets into the
enslavement of African people by Native Americans in this country,
especially like in Oklahoma, which then ties into the Black
Freedmen Indian Treaties of eighteen sixty six that doctor Claude

(11:12):
Anderson had been talking about for so many years. So
when you get into this history, you see it taking
you in different directions. But every Thanksgiving Day they celebrate.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
In Plymouth in.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Massachusetts, they have what's called the National Day of Morning
Native Americans Habitists, and it was created in nineteen seventy
by a brother named well Native American named Frank James Okay,
and he's a He was a well known Aquana Wapanog activist.

(11:51):
He was of that Native American group, and he called
his people's welcoming and befriending of the Pilgrims in sixteen
twenty one quote perhaps our biggest mistake. End quote.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Now, when we look at the Wappinov, the Wappinov in
their native language, their name means people of the first Light.
They traced their ancestors back at least ten thousand years
to southeastern Massachusetts, a land that they called pop Tuxon
patu xCT.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
And one of the.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
What's interesting here is one of the central figures in
this story was a Native American name to Squantum, who
the English called Squanto. And if you study this story
at all, you see that it was Squanto who teaches
the pilgrims how to fish, how to plant corn, how

(12:50):
to survive that first winter. Right but in sixteen fourteen,
before the arrival of the pilgrims. You had englishmen who
lured Squanto and other Wapanow Native Americans, about twenty or
so of them, onto a ship and took them into

(13:12):
and sold them into Spain, sold them into Malaga, Spain
m a la ga. And when you study this history,
you see that not only were African people sold into slavery,
but as well as you had the English capturing Native

(13:33):
Americans in this land, taking them into England, taken them
into Spain, et cetera, selling them also. So you start,
you know, you start seeing how this takes you into
different directions and how there's a shared history of oppression
from the same Europeans, oppression against Native Americans, oppression against

(13:58):
African people. And I'll pause right there in case you
will want to answer now.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Interesting, interesting though fifteen half the top because we come
up with a break heel soup. But I gotta ask
you this, what you just said, we see that as
the oppression. Do you think white folks listening to our
conversation this morning, do you think they view it as oppression?
Because we you know, two people can look at the
same picture and come away with a different version of
what they saw. So will we take the break. I'll

(14:25):
let you respond to that when we get back, and
I want to hear what Kevin thinks as well. Family
Youtubo can join our conversation. Our guest is a historian.
His name is Michael Mltep. You've probably seen him on
the TV and radio before, but you can reach him
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
is seventy six. You want to talk about tomorrow's holiday?
What are your thoughts? We'll take your calls next and
Grand Rising, family and Thanks are waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning, I get away day for some

(14:48):
hump day for others as well. I guess right now
is historian Michael Motep. Before we left the break, it
was getting us the breakdown of how Thanks even Day
are over or started, how the Pilgrims tricked if you will,
the Native Americans. And my question to you before the break, Michael,
what you just told the story that Jesus too. I'm
sure you know Europeans white folks who have heard that story,

(15:09):
but do you think they believe it or do you
think that has an impact on them or do you
think that well, you know, it's just part of our superior,
the superior race. So we have the we have the
smart to to hoodwin the NAVA Americans. How do you
think they view this?

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well? Keep in mind, Carl almost called you Roland because
I'm so used to I've been on rolland so Roland
Martin so for five years and so used to talking
to Roland. Keep in mind, most of most Americans in
general are ignorant the history, ignorant of law, ignorant of politics.

(15:47):
So it's easy to sell mythology to people when you
have a dumb down audience. You know, when I teach
my classes. There was a there was an article from
January twenty twenty one came out the day before the
January twentieth, twenty twenty one inauguration of Joe Biden and

(16:09):
Kamala Harris, and it's from CBS News and it talks
about how most Americans don't understand the US Constitution, okay,
And it dealt with how Civics is not taught in schools,
how most Americans really don't understand history, don't understand the
US Constitution. Now, your understanding of politics, it's directly related
to your understanding of law. I mean, sorry, your understanding

(16:31):
of history is directly related to your understanding of politics.
All right, So most Americans don't really know this history.
Yeah they know the land was stolen from Native Americans.
Yeah they know slavery was bad. But most Americans don't
really understand the nuances of this history. And it's on purpose.
It's I mean, the public is dumbed down on purpose

(16:56):
because if they knew the truth, they would fight back. Okay,
it's in the best interest of certain forces to keep
people ignorant. But what we have to understand is that
we as African people cannot be ignorant. Okay, and ignorance
for us is tantamount to a death sentence. And one

(17:20):
of the things, one of the reasons why all these
European holidays is now let me let me say this.
I'm not telling people don't get with family on Thanksgiving
to celebrate, just to like, celebrate family and be thankful
for what you have. Be thankful for your family, be
thankful for a roof over your head, your health, your job.
I'm not saying that, Okay, get together with family, because

(17:42):
this time next year there may be some family members
that are not with us anymore. Right, But what I'm
talking about is this this European contrived holiday of a
account of what they call the First Thanksgivings sixteen twenty one.
Most of what we've been taught about Thanksgiving is wrong.

(18:04):
And there's actually an article from the New York Times
from November twenty first, twenty seventeen called everything you learn
about Thanksgiving is wrong. And when you go and I've
readen numerous articles, I've been spending his history for years,
when you go and start studying this his mind blowing. Okay,
But right before the break, we were talking about Squanto,

(18:25):
who was the Wappinog Native American and he was from
the Pawtuxic tribe, which was which was a division of
the Wappinog. And he was a lot of people don't
know that he was kidnapped, sold in the slavery and Spain,
kidnapped by Englishmen sold in the slavery slavery and Spain.
But he was able to get away and he actually

(18:49):
ends up in London and learns English and he makes
his way back to his people, to Wappinog in Massachusetts. Okay,
So when we more and more people each year have
been learning about what's called the National Day of mourning right,
and it's been gaining more popularity, just as Indigenous People's

(19:12):
Day as an alternative to Columbus Day has been gaining popularity.
So in nineteen seventy, the United American Indians and New
England declared US Thanksgiving Day a National day of mourning. Now,
this came about as a result of the suppression of

(19:32):
the truth and what I'm such a Frank James, who
was an aquanah wapanog man and an activist. He had
been asked to speak at a Commonwealth of Massachusetts banquet
celebrating the three hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the landing

(19:54):
of the Pilgrims. Okay, now, these were white people. I
want everybody to pay attention to this. These were white
people who asked this Native American man to come and
speak at the three hundred and fiftieth anniversary celebration of
the colonizers landing in his people's land. Right. So he

(20:14):
agreed to speak, but the organizers of the dinner said
there was one requirement. He had to submit to them
his speech ahead of time so they could approve it. Okay,
So he agreed to do this, but within days of
submitting with the days of the event, he was told

(20:38):
by representative of the Department of Commerce and Development that
he would not be allowed to give the speech. The
reason they gave was due to the fact that quote
the theme of the anniversary celebration is brotherhood and anything
inflammatory would have been out of place. End quote. Now,

(20:59):
what they will really saying was that in this society,
the truth is out of place. Now when you read this,
when you read this account and you read these words
of Frank James, it reminded me of in July eighteen
fifty two when Frederick Douglas was asked to speak. The
white woman invited him to speak in New York and

(21:20):
he gave his speech, you know what to the slaves
the fourth of July, and he said, this holiday is yours,
not mine. My people are enslaved. What do I have
to celebrate? Okay, Well, Frank James was going to say
something similar to this, and so people may ask, well,
what was it that white people were so afraid of

(21:40):
enough that he was going to say. He used as
a basis for his remarks one of their own one
of white people's own history books, a pilgrim's account of
their first year on Indian Island. The book tells of
the opening of what he says, my ancestor's graves taking
our wheat and the grain wheat and being supplies, and

(22:04):
the selling of my ancestors as slaves for two hundred
and twenty shillings each. And he was going to tell
the truth, but the truth was out of place at
this celebration of brotherhood. So then you have to ask
the question, brother Carl and brother Kevin, well, whose brotherhood
are you talking about? And if you can't tell the

(22:25):
truth amongst brothers, then are they really brothers? So so
out of this then he started celebrating. They started having
this commemoration of the National Day of Morning, where they
could tell the truth about what happened in this land
to their ancestors and dispel the myths, but also talk

(22:48):
about current events and the current conditions of Native Americans
as well. So when you start getting into this history
and then you start understanding the National Day of Morning,
and you start seeing this from the side of Native Americans,
you get an entirely different concept of all of this.
And one of the if you go back to sixteen

(23:12):
thirty seven, there was a there's a good article from
the Hunsington Post called Happy National Genocide Thanksgiving Day, and
it deals with the a Thanksgiving that the English actually
had here in this landa sixteen thirty seven, but it

(23:34):
was celebrating a conflict they had with Native Americans where
they killed approximately seven hundred Native American men, women, and children.
It was called the Peacock the Peacock Massacre p e
q u ot the Peacock Massacre of sixteen thirty seven.

(23:54):
So when you start looking at that the origins of this,
when you start looking at Columbus Day, when you start
looking at somebody like Donald Trump that wants to embrace
a colonizer and master genocide, Christopher Columbus, because you know,
I can understand the Italians, you know, wanted in one sense.

(24:16):
I can understand Italians wanted to celebrate when their ancestors,
but when you really study them, it's nothing to celebrate.
The Columbus helped the lay the foundation for slavery, racism, capitalism,
the exploitation of indigenous people, and the Spanish drastically expanded
the Transatlantic slave trade. When you study things like the

(24:36):
Occiento their negros under King Charles, the fifth of fifteenth
August of fifteen eighteen, which drastically expanded the transatlantic slave trade.
And then when you look here at Squanto, the Wapao
Native American who gets sold into span well, we know
that the Spanish were the second ones involved in the

(24:57):
transatlantic slave trade, right behind them Portuguese.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Hey, brother Michael, yes, I do have a question as
you bring up Squanto. Was that a fable that Squanto
brought the fish so that the Plymouth the pilgrims could
learn how to grow their crops. And then my other observation,
I looked at the post and considering Wamsuta James, are

(25:26):
you was he nicknamed Frank James for a purpose And
his speech ended with participants in national Day of Mourning
on our native ancestors and the struggles of peoples to survive.
And the part of the massacre was also attributed to
the illnesses that the settlers brought on this land where

(25:48):
the Native Americans had been living for centuries. Could you
tell us share more with us about that about how
did that illness?

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Was that the first pandemic so to.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Speak, you may call it the first well, one of
the first pandemics, because you know, you got the great
death of Bonny Plague hidden his spurts from thirteen forty
one to fourteen hundred throughout Europe and wiping out one

(26:17):
quarter to one third of the European population. But what
it was called here, it was called the Great Dying, okay,
the great dying, And it was a disease that was
killing the wappanov And Squanto sees this. He when he
comes back from London, England, after being sold into slavery

(26:39):
and Spain, he sees the devastation that takes place to
his people. But it was Squanto who taught the the settlers,
the settlers how to fish, how to plant corn, how
to survive. Now, now, one of the myths about this
those on the Mayflower, right, we're taught to call referred

(27:02):
to all of them as pill warms. But there were
one hundred and two passengers on the Mayflower. Only forty
one of them would be classified as pillarms. Okay, the
steparatists who said, you know, be looking for religious freedom
things like this, you had other people who were just
looking for fame and fortune things like this. Some were

(27:24):
indentured servants. So most of them, most of the one
hundred and two passengers on the Mayflower. We're not we're
not pill warms. Okay, we just you know, more of
that myth. It's more it's better probably to call referred
to all of them as settlers. And then there were
also thirty crewmen as well, on top of the one

(27:46):
hundred and two passengers. And then what was the other
What was your other question, Kevin?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I was I was talking about the was it? Well,
you covered the thing about Santos, but I was also
asking about that disease.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I think you covered most of it.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, from.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Jams.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, Frank Jay. Let me go directly to an excerpt
of his speech that he was going to give for
that three hundred and fiftieth anniversary. He said, quote were
the wappingknock, welcomed, welcome to you, the white man with
open arms, little knowing that it was the beginning of
the end, that before fifty years were to pass, the

(28:30):
wappingoff would no longer be a free people. Okay, so
when you like now this is this is not going
to be what I'm talking about now, you probably won't
stee on MS now used to be MSNBC. You probably
won't see it on stand end. They may have one
thirty minute special one fifteen minute segment. But most of

(28:51):
this when people watching the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, right,
this is not going to be talked about. So we
have to go beyond the so is, like, really study,
study the history behind what's being presented to us. But
once again, I'm all for families getting together on you know,

(29:11):
Thanksgiving Day, and you know we want to have dinner
or whatever you do. I don't watch football. I haven't
watched the NFL game since kind of Kappernick was banned
from the league, So I don't watch football. But we
have to understand this game is being played on us
and really study the history behind all of this.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
And thank you for sharing that twenty five away from
the top of our family, just checking in. I guess
is Michael m o TAP's historian. And as I mentioned,
your provacy in my on TV works closely with Roland
Martin and this morning it's given us a history of
how this holiday that some of you are going to
celebrate tomorrow will be here tomorrow, how it all started.
And we're trying to figure out the perspectives now that

(29:52):
we know this information, what do we do with it?
Because I know most people Michael. You know, it's a
day for family. It's not really They don't really get
into the Pilgrims and what happened to the Native Americans,
and the Native Americans obviously are not going to celebrate.
But for most folks, other folks, I don't think people
even care what happened. It's just a day that they can,
you know, be with their family and for the last for

(30:13):
one day, they forget all the grievances, all who's not
speaking to who, and who's not all of this, and
they forget the politics and let's eat and chow down
and have a good time. But how do you get
this information though, which you just taught us, because obviously
they're not teaching this in our schools. We didn't hear
this in our schools. We heard a different story when
we went to school, and we you know, we were

(30:34):
mad at the Native Americans. You know, look what they
did to these poor white folks who came to help me.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, So how do we flip that.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
It's like the Battle of the Alamo, and the settlers
of the Alamo in Texas were trying to preserve slavery.
That's why the Mexicans were fighting them because because slavery
have been abolance in Mexico in eighteen twenty nine by
Pacenta Guerrero who was the second president of Mexican so
and he was a former slave, and he was Afro Latino,

(31:04):
he was partly of African descent. It's the whole game
that's being ran on people. But you got a dumb
down on people to be able to lie to them.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, but if they know the truth, you think it
will make a difference and then they're just okay. So
do you think that's the reaction with that if they
heard what you were just taught this morning.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, well yeah, See, your thoughts create feelings, Your feelings
create actions and behaviors. Your actions and behaviors create results.
So yeah, it's definitely important to know the truth to
understand history. What you do for yourself, what you do
to yourself, and what you allow other people to do
to you and get away with, is based upon what
you think about yourself. What you think about yourself is
based upon what you've been taught about yourself. What you've
been taught about yourself is based upon everything you've heard

(31:47):
and seen about yourself. So when you when you start
studying this history, then you start seeing how all all
of this came to be and why it came to be.
And you're, like I said, your understanding of history is
that directly related to your understanding of politics? You know?
So you have an old the thought right there.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Because we're gonta caught up with the news, I'll let
you connect the thoughts. Continue to at the dots when
we get back and Bob and Buffalo has a question
for your family. YouTube can join us at twenty two
minutes away from the top day. Our guest is historian
Michael m o Tip. Tell us about tomorrow some of
you're gonna celebrate that day, what really really really means?
You want to get in on this discussion, reach out
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(32:29):
after the news. That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks
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said for this morning. Right now, we're speaking with historian
Michael m. O.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Tip.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
He's giving us the history of the background of how Thanksgiving,
the day that some of you are going to celebrate tomorrow,
how it all started. And later this morning we're gonna
be joined by a futuristic reacher researcher, brother Sidiki Bakari,
and also a doctor Kokaia Patterson is gonna be the
jon us as well. He's going to talk about men GM,
how I'm in so I'm formerly known as ah Trap Brown.
We're going to have that discussion and tomorrow we're going

(33:09):
to be here tomorrow and talented researcher brother Katya Wata
will be here along with natropathic doctor and restaurant tour
doctor Baruk. So if you are in Baltimore, make sure
you keep your ready or locked in tight on ten
ten WLB or if you're in the DMV or on
fourteen fifty WOL. All right, Michael, i' mtu you and
I guess some more folks want to talk to you,
but let me just let you finish and thank you
for connecting the Dawson. By the way, one of our

(33:30):
tweeters said, you know because ask Michael the question you
think of white folks heard this information, because many of
you are hearing for the first time, what would they
would they change their minds about Native Americans about the
holiday when our tweeter says no, they'll just use the
normal excuse, we didn't have anything to do with it.
That's what they said about slavery. So I thank a
person who said that tweet. But Michael, I'll let you
finish your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, but it's important for the truth to get out
because you see a increasing popularity before this year, before
Trump got back in office, you see an increasing popularity
of Indigenous People's Day as an alternative to Columbus State.
So it's important for the truth to be pushed, whether

(34:14):
it's dealing with the history slavery, whether it's dealing with
the history what happened to African Americans in this country.
You know, we have to understand that Americans have been
purposely dumbed down, Okay, And this is how seventy seven
million people could vote for the same guy who screwed
up the economy the first time, and they thought that
it was going to be better the second time. But

(34:35):
usually the sequel of the horror movie is worse than
the first installment. Another article that I want people to
read is called what really Happened at the First Thanksgiving
The Wampa'nox side of the tale? And this came out
This is from Indian Country. Was it ictnews dot org

(34:58):
Indian Country Today organ and I first saw this article
back in twenty seventeen, so from November twenty third, twenty seventeen.
And it tells the side of the story of that
sixteen twenty one celebration that the English settlers had that
are called Pilgrims. And then we all see that famous painting,

(35:20):
a painting by John Leon Gerome Ferris of the pilgrim
woman feeding the Native Americans that's sitting down, things like that.
The background story to that is that the Wampadog Native
Americans were not even invited to that feast. What happened

(35:41):
was prior to that, they entered into an agreement with
the settlers. Basically, you watch my back, I'll watch yours.
Because the Wampa Knock they had a conflict with a
neighboring group of Native Americans, and the settlers were having
a celebration to celebrate surviving that first winter. So they

(36:02):
were shooting off guns. Well, the wapaknog hear this, and
the Wapaknong leader massasoic He shows up with ninety of
his warriors to see what's going on. They think a
war's taking place. When they get there, it's explained to
them what's happening, what's taking place, and they're you know,
they're asked to stay and eat. But they weren't invited

(36:22):
in the first place. So when you see that snapshot
and we see this that picture, that painting in books
and things like this, the history behind what that represents
is totally different than how it's presented to us. But
it's important to understand history from the other perspective, the
perspective of those who were persecuted or those on the

(36:45):
losing end. This is why when we talk about the
history of slavery, it has to be taught from the
perspective of enslaved African people. Now from the colonizers' perspective.
We have to understand the colonizers' perspective, but we have
to teach it from the perspect of the enslaved African people.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
All right, hold on the right, then eight five zero
seventy eight to seventy six. I mentioned Bob and Buffalo
has a question for as online too, Grand Rise and
Bobby on with Michael m otep.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Yeah, sir, blessed love family. I give thanks for the
lesson that I have been blessed to hear today. And
I wonder if if the truth is really what's what's
what needs to be celebrated. So I thank you very much.
I think doctor Small says that knowing history erases the mystery.

(37:35):
My question is, can we can we turn around this
whole thing quickly and easily by rather than calling a thanksgiving,
that we actually celebrate giving thanks and we give thanks
for learning and knowing the truth as we have made
it through this much of the year, headed toward the
whole Christmas holiday season, and headed into Kwanza and headed

(37:57):
into the beginning.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Of a new year.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
And we turn it around just very quickly by instead
of how celebrating Thanksgiving, that we celebrate the giving of
thanks and the living and a thankful, truthfuloid.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Right, So when you say turning around, you mean change
the arrangement of the letters and the word thanksgiving to
giving thanks. Is that what you mean when we say
turning it around?

Speaker 7 (38:20):
Turn it around rather than celebrating the lie.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah. Like I said before, you know,
we can get together with family and things like that,
but we have to understand the real history, teach the
real history behind it. And I appreciate the lessons you
talked today, brother, Yeah, no problem, no problem. Yeah. We
have to teach the real history behind it and push

(38:45):
that out into the national media.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
It's the same thing with June teenth. It's the same
thing with Juneteenth history. A lot of what we've been
talking about June tenth is false, okay, But it's important
for to commemorate June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five, when Major
General Warden Granger delivered General Order number three and he
has about two thousand Union troops, with the most of
them African American men. But June tenth was not the

(39:14):
last day of slavery because Delaware, Kentucky then the bottle
of slavery till December eighteenth, eighteen sixty five, when the
thirteenth Amendment was adopted. Okay, that's six months after jone teenth.
And even though June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five did happen,
the Civil War didn't end. April ninethe eighteen sixty five,

(39:34):
when General Robert E. Leeves arendered to Ulysses as grant.
It continues for about another sixteen months and doesn't come
to a final end till August of eighteen sixty six.
In fact, there was a battle in the Palmetto Ranch
Battle in Texas right outside of Brownsville in May twelfth,

(39:56):
eighteen sixty five, the month after General Robert E. Lee surrenders. Right. So,
even though a lot of what we've been talking about
Juneteenth is incorrect, Juneteenth gives us an opportunity to one
force into the national conversation a history that state legislations
have passed laws to suppresed the teaching of the history,

(40:18):
and we see coming from the federal government from the
Trump administration, an attempt to suppress the teaching of that
history as well as sanitize the African Americans Smith Smithsonian
Museum number two. We have to correct the history of
Juneteenth and protect the history of June team Okay, So
we have to use these holidays as opportunities to force

(40:41):
a conversation about the truth and push forth the evidence
as well.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Got you eight away from the Top. Charles is in
Baltimore has a question for you down line three Grand
Rising Charles, your question for Michael Motap, Yes.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Sir, how doing Michael? Yeah, I mean hearing a lot
of yeah, I'm here, a lot.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
Of mixed messages. So, as an American Indian, a copper
colored man, I have to say, you know, I'm not black,
I'm not African American, I'm not Negro or Native American.
And I want to set the record straight. An American Indian,
that's the only indigenous people of America. Native Americans. They're

(41:25):
not the same people because native means born here.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
So a Native.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
American is a foreigner born here. So when the colonists
were born here, they became Native Americans. That's not the
same as an American Indian. So I'm asking you, what
is your definition of a Native American? And what is
your definition of an American Indian? And what is your
definition of an African American.

Speaker 8 (41:54):
Well, let me ask you a question. You said what
you said you are indigenous? Is that what you say, Yeah,
I'm an American, I'm indigenous Greech.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Which which nation do you belong to?

Speaker 6 (42:08):
Well, when people tell you that they're African American and
they were told that from ancestry. What nation are they from?

Speaker 4 (42:16):
American? From Africa? American? Let me ask you a question.
You just asked me a questions. African American is an
ethnic group. It's not a nationality. No one ever said
African American is a nationality. It's an ethnic group. I'm familiar.
I'm familiar with the history imagination you know. No, no,
you didn't continue. Let me continue. I'm familiar. I'm familiar

(42:38):
with the history. If you read the First Americans with Africans,
documented evidence by doctor David M. Hotel that talks about
the koy San that we're here in this land going
Mexican one thousand years ago. I don't believe that. If you,
my brother is you're dealing with beliefs. I'm dealing with faction. No,
I'm dealing with facts. The way the family familiar with

(43:02):
over talk to each other. We're not gonna over talk
to each other. Ask me a question. I'm very familiar
with all the history. I'm very familiar with various ways.
If you want to call them indigenous groups, native American groups,
but African people were here before any of these indigenous groups,
before the Wapping Dog, before any of them they were

(43:23):
here going back at least fifty one, seven hundred years ago. Now, one,
I don't try to take away from one group to
empower another group. And what I mean by that is,
I don't have to discount the history of any of
the groups that were here before Europeans got here. Tim

(43:44):
power myself. I understand all that. I understand all that history.
I also understand nationality. I also know I also know
Washington Moores. I've been to their classes. I understand all
of that. Okay, Now to address your question with specificity
when you talk about African American. First of all, the
term African American dates back to seventeen eighty two in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

(44:06):
It was never designed to be a nationality. It's an
ethnic group. And I agree with Malcolm X in his
in his speech The Battles of the bullet A for
Third nineteen sixty four, when he talked to when he
referred to us as African Americans, my teacher, Professor James Small, Well,
just then you just have for just Professor James small
on yesterday, Carl, No, it was last week, last week, okay,

(44:30):
Professor James Small. Professor James Smaller says, African is my race.
America is my geopolitical place. I'm not giving that up
for anybody. But he'll also tell you African American is
not an ethnicity. It's not a nationality. But nobody said
it was, so people try to make an argument where
there is no argument. I study all that history. Okay,

(44:52):
all right, next.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Caller, thank you for schooling. Then you know we're right
up against the clock because I know you have to run.
But before I'll let you go, Michael, are you going
to be on rolling show pretty soon? Can you tell
us about that again?

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Because we're not having a show this Friday day after Thanksgiving,
so there's no show I was on last Friday. Follow
me on my Facebook fan page the African History Network.
The African History Network got one million followers there. Follow
me on YouTube Michael M. Hotel I M H O
T E P ninety three thousand subscribers. I should have
a million followers there too. Visit my website Africanhistorynetwork dot

(45:26):
com Africanhistorynetwork dot com, and also you can register for
my new online history class Ancient African Empires, the Moors
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you in school. It's a ten week online course. We're
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(45:50):
Africanhistorynetwork dot com and you could register for that and
you get five free digital download lectures on myself when
you register for that class.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Also, all right, thanks Michael A run and people say
they appreciate the knowledge. I just said, you know someone
to call one and Mitch, I'll just mention that family,
we got to get out of here. We got to
get the trafficking weather. Oh yeah, we will bring you
back two minutes away from the top there. When we
come back, we're going to talk about all the men

(46:19):
also known as h Rap Brown and we take calls
after the trafficking weather. That's next and Grand Rising family,
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(46:39):
some great information coming to you. Momentary We're going to
talk about imm and Jamil Abdullah our men, some of
you know, I'm h Rap Brown and doctor go Patterson
is going to lead a panel discussion on that and
doctor Patterson, Grand rising and welcome to the program.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Thanks you and the w Wealth family.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Well, we have a panel before we actually to introduce
the panel, Doctor Patterson, tell us about what your thoughts.
Your thoughts about the person formerly known as h Van Brown.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (47:15):
I appreciate that opportunity just to speak on such a
great giant is an honor.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
It's a privilege to just speak about this brother.

Speaker 9 (47:26):
Who is more than just a giant in our community
in terms of his commitment. So what I love the
most about his life is his commitment. And when you
think about people who revolutionaries, people who are you know,
totally committed, you know, to the community, you think about

(47:50):
a person like Jamie Alamie. He is a brother who
has given his entire life and has spent every minute
of his life, you know, working on changing the conditions
in our community. So for me, uh, he is an
example that I should follow. You know, the books that

(48:10):
he wrote, Die Niggade and you know revolution by the book. Uh,
you know which is you know, a great compilation you know,
of his thoughts and putting those principles of revolutionary activities
and thoughts and work together in that book, Revolution by
the book. If you haven't got it, y'all, please get it.

(48:32):
But yeah, commitment is what you know, jumps out to
me called and it was he was.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
A part of too that the government you know, pointed
out in the co Intel program. Here's one of the
voices they wanted to silence. Do you see that the
result of if there's legal problems, what happened to him
in Georgia? Do you think that was all concocted to
silence his voice?

Speaker 9 (48:56):
Oh, no doubt. You know, just in GP, the people
who on the line. We'll really get into that, but
let me just you know, talk about a couple of points.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
One.

Speaker 9 (49:06):
H you know, there's you know, questions raised about key evidence.
You know, for example, the blood samples were lost or
destroyed and can't nobody figure out you know, what those
things are and where they are, you know, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (49:22):
You know, there was a lack of forensic evidence, you know,
no fingerprints. Uh, you know, law enforcement found blood on
the scene, and now we can't even find that blood.
It's contradictions as relates to the eyewitness. You know, here
you have eyewitness and somebody was five with eight and
you know our big brother was six foot five, you know,

(49:44):
so you can't you know, mistake on that.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
You know.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
So it's a bunch of things that just jump out
at you that let you know this just was a
hoax and that he was railroaded like so many other
men and women you know, from our community, who who
was so in love with their people that they risked
everything to attempt to bring about those changes.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
All right, why don't you induce some members of the panel.
Let's get let's get it started this morning.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (50:14):
Let me, you know, give a shout out to all
of my camp comrades who have joined us. Thank you
all so much, Brother Jamil, brother Jalil, sister Shakiah, you
know whomever else if there's other folks on, but thank
you all so much for you all's work in this process.
I like to start, you know, with my big brother

(50:34):
Jamil muster Kin, because it's important to recognize the history
when we talk about his work with the Black Panther
Party before the Black Panther Party, but being able to
look at that and connect that with the work that
he did, you know, in Atlanta, Georgia, in that community
and turning the whole community around. So I greet my

(50:57):
brother Jamil mustera Keene who himself was a political prisoner
and spent decades UH in jail, you know, panther, you know,
et cetera. Uh to talk a little bit about that.
So I don't like them Jamil Jimmielil.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
His brother Jamil with us. I don't think he's here with.

Speaker 9 (51:17):
Us, Okay, jamilal is not on.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Yeah, we want some can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (51:29):
You are Oh I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm
uh yeah. I want to also think that radio station
would give us opportunity uh to share a few thoughts
and ideas in regards to Uh. I belove a brother
uhe Jamil, I do I mean, UH said pot for
us to understand not only his his uh his character

(51:49):
in terms of uh his life in support of black
people in the fortified struggles, but also there's some particular
areas that we really need to look at in regards
to him, particularly for me, because he used to want
to introduce me to Islam. He and a brother by
the name of Muhammad Achmed MaTx Stafford, who was the

(52:11):
leader of ram A Registerary Action movement. We all were
in a lock together in the Old Queen's back in
nineteen seventy two. And at that time, you know, I
did not consider myselves to be at the level of
their own participation and examples of what it means to

(52:33):
be a conscious black man in America, particularly one who
was a support of our struggle for liberation, independence. And
so at a time when I used to watch them,
lance hit them. I'm talking about Ivan Jamil and Muhammad
Akhmed praying, I didn't understand why they were what they're

(52:57):
playing for while they is praying, so the every day
they get up to their prayers as Musclims, right and
uh we we argue for about six months, because I'm
not the kind of person to tell me anything. I'm
gonna go for it. Uh So, uh we argue for
about six months in terms of understanding the politics and
the the practices of the Islamic and how that is

(53:19):
one that is uh sup part of our struggle.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
You know.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
One of the things that was brought to my attention
by even Jamail a lot of meaning is that in
terms of our people in our struggle, we've always been
to God seeing people.

Speaker 7 (53:30):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
We always believe in something. All of our leaders throughout
history had been people who believed in the higher self
of the in the and in the divine. And that's
one of the compromary aspects of Jamail A lot of means.
When he became a Muslim, he transcended the ideals of

(53:52):
the politics and a struggle to a moral issue uh,
and raised that necessily for us to change morally and
have a better moral foundation in regards to our struggle, UH,
as an application of the Islam in that in that capacity.
You know, all of our profits, right, what revolutionaries you know,
if you look at it, they came for the purpose

(54:13):
of changing the man's morals, proposition, and moral condition, and
they therefore changing social order by virtue of the ideas
of expressing that we are uh people who are motivated
and inspired by divine ideals and and and moral grounding. Uh.
And so he practiced that as part of his understanding

(54:37):
of the struggles that we have to be engaged in.
And so I'm will always be uh uh Uh, I
don't know, I guess, I guess appreciative right by having
had that kind of life experiences with with Elon Jamilana
means and being introduced to the Islam and trying to

(54:58):
help me get my name to do with the with
the Kiev.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
So you know that that kind of closest, that kind
of understanding he's shooting in Portant for us to know. Uh,
but not only what he did for me on the individual,
but what he did for the east Side. I mean,
I think it was the east side of Atlanta on
one side human west side of Atlanta, you know, west
side of Atlanta, and changing the conditions of that environment,
you know, by virtual over sids in his monster and

(55:25):
his community in that area.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
So uh, Yeah, he was targeted. There's no doubt about that.
He was targeting. Even in hotel pro papers inform us
that he was.

Speaker 10 (55:35):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
They have his name mintioned in cot As as a target,
you know. So uh and really one the reason why
because you know, you know, they created laws behind him,
what he called the rat Brown law, you know, uh,
from by virtue of him articulating the issues of our struggle.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
I thig it was in Ohio, Cincinnati, I believe it
was in Ohio uh uh and uh. As a result
of him making a presentation and leaving and and and
continue repressing in our community, the people had an insurrection
and they try to blank you for the insurrection although
he was one hundreds of miles away when the people

(56:15):
rose up, you know, and they called them, uh, the
rat brown law, you know. So, yeah, he had been
talking for for years, involvement with Snake and involved with
Black Type A Party, involvement in guds, rebuilding the community
of what side of Atlanta, you know. So it's import
for us to understand the historical foundation of Jimi Alata

(56:37):
means and what he means to what he meant to
a lot of people, uh or over over his years
as a quote unquote and I said it deliberately and
purposely and intentionally as a revolutionary.

Speaker 9 (56:52):
Absolutely. Thank you so much, Julie, if you could, you know,
one of the things that we want to make sure
the community understands is that here you have a brother
who lived by the ten point programing platform presented by
the Black Panther Party as well as other revolutionary principles,
et cetera. And here, you know, he made that transition

(57:13):
into Islam and then wrote Revolution by the book and
was able to connect up those philosophies with you know,
a spiritual concept like Islam. Could you speak a little
bit on that, yeah, of course, you know.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Originally, you know, H. F. Brown, I was a member
and a leader of SNICK, a student coordinating committee. Eventually
he've all became to the Student of National Coordinating Committee.
And when he evolved out of the rights movement into
the Black part movement, here Stoken's Carmichael was I guess
you can say co leaders of STICK and a youth

(57:53):
movement at that time. He eventually transitioned into the Black
panth Aparty, came to Minister of Justice for the Black
paranth ap Party and as a results of him gravitating
that level, he began to implement some of the major
platforms of the Black Panther Party, you know, and the
back By Party. You know, many people don't understand the

(58:14):
Black Times of Party, Back Band Party contribute to our
overall struggle. You know what we have today in terms
of example of the breakfast programs, maybe having schools today
that the Trump eventually is trying to remove, but the
breast plob against they evolved by the back Back the Party.
They came out of the Black Down the Party. The
clinic health clinic that we had in our communities, they

(58:35):
involved and started out of the Black Pannther Party. Transportation
to go see you loved ones in prisons, they came
out of the blackground the Party. And there's various other
programs that involved in originally out of Black Counted Party
and police. Note the back of Party was a youth movement.
There was nobody in the backgrounds of party over the
age of thirty at an inception. So these are young people.

(58:56):
I was sixteen years old when I joined the Black
Panther Party. I was thineteen when I was officially captured
and sent to prisoners for forty nine plus years as
a results of my work in the Black Lins Party
and Black Paration Army and so Jamil out of mean representative.
Those goals represent those ideas.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Where he got thelance coming.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
And when he moved to uh Uh establishes his community
on the East End on the West End of Atlanta,
he applied those programs, the very same programs breakfast programs,
health clinics, and et cetera, by by virtue of his
community itself. So we understand that you know the experience

(59:39):
that he UH he had with the BANKSI the party
he transformed and applied them as he continued to evolve
UH and became a Muslim and established Muslim community a
right family.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Fifteen after the top, that just Johnny, I guess you,
doctor Kaya Patterson's got a panel of of folks of
discussing to me our man, some of the enormous h
Rap Brown and those of you have listened to this
program for a while. I heard his son have been
on here, Kyrie el So of course our condolences to
the family of his passing. But one of the things
that why we have in the discussion on the person

(01:00:14):
formerly known as h Rap Brown, some people do just
know him as the h Rap Brown because it's so
many it's the history of him has been so distorted.
The younger generation which will just read what the other
folks wrote about him, and unfortunately most of the writings
will tell about what happened would call his demise while
he's arrested in Georgia, but they didn't ever talk about

(01:00:37):
what he did before. As I mentioned, we had his son,
Kyrie Ellenman with us. It was an attorney by the way,
and his father with father. The car sell Us is
an attorney. His father, carver Us sell Us, worked with
h when he was h Rap Brown in the struggle
fighting in the streets. And these two gentlemen never met
each other, so we put them together because they're both
attorneys and their father's best friends. Kind of shocked that

(01:01:00):
they didn't know each other, so we actually put these
guys together so they had they had the conversation. Well,
we got to take a short break. Dr Patterson, we'll
come back. I'll let you introduce some more members of
the panel so we can talk more about Jamal l
almen or h Rap Brown as some of you don't
And if you got question, family, reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll taket calls next and Grand Rising family,

(01:01:27):
thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning getaway
day for some of some of you're gonna start the
holidays starting the holiday, I actually say starting tomorrow. We're
going to be here tomorrow, by the way, but right now,
I guess this, Doctor ko Kaie Patterson has a panel
in force Vers this morning discussing Jamil L. Men Uh
Jamil Abdullah al Man. He was in MOM and was

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formerly known as h Rap Brown. So Dr Patterson, let
you just do some more.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Members of the panel, thank you so much for you See.

Speaker 9 (01:01:56):
You know, we you know, always have to kind of
explained why we do what we do as revolutionaries, as
people who are committed to working in the community.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:02:07):
You know a lot of times people don't look at
us revolutionaries as human beings, as individuals who are just
as normal as they are.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
You know. But you heard brother.

Speaker 9 (01:02:20):
Jalil just talk about his relationship with the mom and
what that relationship did for him. I wanted to bring
my brother Jamil on who's down there in apl my
big brother, another soldier in the community, to talk a
little bit about his relationship with Emm Jamail Alaman and

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what it did for him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Brother Jamil, And when they come up to the law,
He've got to good morning.

Speaker 10 (01:02:54):
It's always a good day when we can wake up
and get praising things to a law. And uh it's
a solemn day these last couple of days since we
did lose our beloved brother Imam Jamil And I mean
my name is brother Jamil ab Do la Shei.

Speaker 9 (01:03:11):
Living below aka Uncle Hap. And I've been a part of.

Speaker 10 (01:03:15):
E Man's Jamil's community down here in the West End
since the mid eighties and I met Imam Jamil H
during this time. The height of the eighties, of course,
was the Reagan nomics era, UH, when when Reagan flooded
all the hoods with the guns and the drugs. And

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at the forefront of the liberation of cleaning the hoods
up was Email Jamil and over here in the West
End in at least, And I know it's a serious
UH situation going.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
On right now today even as.

Speaker 10 (01:04:00):
We prepare for his gymnaza or his funeral, which is
the physical funeral. I believe the body is going to
be down in Florida where his son is at. But
his community is here in the web and we're going
to have try to have simultaneous prayer around three o'clock

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this afternoon along with the brothers down in Florida, and
just to show some solidarity on behalf of brother Man, Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Jamie, let me interrupt for a second. So where's that
going to be in Atlantic? Do you have an address
for folks listening to Atlantic to be It's.

Speaker 10 (01:04:42):
Going to be at the West End Mosque at the
five forty seven West End place over at the mosque
at the field on right next to the mosque at
three o'clock today, So all those who didn't work able
to go down to South Florida, you know, the West End,

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which is his community that he established back in the
late seventies, early eighties, in the mid seventies early eighties,
that he establishes where we actually thought it was going
to be at the Jenaza was going to be, but
due to certain situations and circumstances, it's going down down there.

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But of course we have to give honor and respect
to him wherever we're at.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
And I believe.

Speaker 10 (01:05:37):
Different massages or mass jed are having the same slat,
which is Genaza Eld Guy or the one in absentia
or when you're not able to actually physically be where
the Genazo funeral is, you still make some rockcot or

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make a prayer and supplication for the deceased.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
And brother Emam Jamil touched a lot of us, as
we know.

Speaker 10 (01:06:12):
He's a universal icon and the struggle and liberation for
not just the black people, but the poor and downtroden people,
people who can't speak for themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
People who are down and out.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:06:33):
He was. He was that voice and we just want
to give honor respect to him for the struggle that
he's He was. He's been in the struggle all his life,
you know, from from back in the times where everybody
knows the snick and the Black Panther Party that he
came from. But his most recent struggle with the ship

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stem being incarcerated.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Who plus years is the real is the real issue?

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:07:08):
And we know there's other political prisoners who and free
them all. You know the call, we all know the
call free them all? A dream all.

Speaker 11 (01:07:21):
Uh Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:07:23):
But Email Jamil was what was uh at the forefront
and his spirit is still going to remain at the forefront.
One book I want to recommend is Revolution by the
book which is the Rapper is Vibe. This is a
book written by Email Jamil. And if you really want

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to know about the rap and you really want to
know about the email after the rap, read Revolution by
the book.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
This is the Rap is Vib. Email Jamil a lot
of means and I'm gonna read a short little experpert.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
I don't think we have time for that. I hate
to do that to you because we've got a bunch
of folks that doctor Patison has. I want to get
some of those folks. And we're racing the clock here
at twenty seven minute after the top of our family.
Just checking in, Doctor Kakai Passon has a panel members
from the Iman Jamil Action Network discussing Iman Jamil who
passed away and they're talking about his Jananza that's the

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funeral service in the Muslim because he wasn't Muslim. In fact,
he became my mom while he was incarcerating those of
you know the history of those of you got some
got some days on you. You understand and knew who
he was in these days of h Rap Brown along
with Snaker running with what was then snow Could Carl
Michael has now was changed his name before it changed

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his name to Kwame Terray. And this is what we're
discussing this morning, with the impact that he had on
some of the lives of some of his followers. So
doctor Patterson, can you introduce somebody else real quick?

Speaker 9 (01:08:52):
Absolutely? You know on the line we have the Jamil
Action Network, Jamil Lamina Actual Network. I'm a part of
that specific group we have on the line. Our sister
Shaffia uh and I think our brother Ibrahim Uh is on,
so let me turn over to them to uh kind

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of bring us up to date, but also look at
uh you know what that history has been like for
him being incarcerated, the effect that it has had and
not just on him but his family and all of
us who love him deaily. So let me introduce give
my salaams to Sister Shaffiah and brother Ibrahim.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
All right, let's start with Sister Shafa Calls from Savannah, George,
Sister your thoughts, yes.

Speaker 11 (01:09:38):
Someone want good morning to everyone. I actually would like
to just first to brother Ibrahim the chair and I'm
here in chair of Elim's Interaction network. But I do
want to thank brother Carl and w O L for

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having the courage to come on and give space and
time for Mom's struggle to be uh come out of
the clutches you know, of its criminal injustice system. Just
asking to be about our third or fourth time you know,

(01:10:23):
coming on. I also want to just be grateful and
being part of you know, the paddle with with all
of my brother's soldiers here. But I'd like to after
Brother Ibrahim to speak on some of the the mom's
early history and groundings that in in Alabama and Snick

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and Washington, d C. That you know, laid the basis
for the kinds of work that was done later on.
But I wanted to defer to our share our a
mere brother art Braham Abdullah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
All right, Uh the topic Brother Abraham slamake, my brother
came from Cleveland.

Speaker 12 (01:11:08):
The love love from La. I'd like to get everybody
here and thank you brother Carl for altmans to be
on this time. That's you know, really it's not on
the style of moment, but it's also a happy occasion
in the way that Imam Jamil is free, you know,

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and I believe that Emunt Jamil are the means you know,
in an Islamic tradition that you know, Imam Jamil due
to his condition being in captivity by his enemy and
unjustly you know, incarcerated, that Imam Jamil is a martyr.
So that's one thing that we have to keep in
mind that we understand it in Islamic tradition that that
a loss of Panamatala says that you know, say out

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of those you know who died in the path of
a loss of that they're dead, that they're alive. So
so when a person is a martyr, they don't have
the name reckoning that we have, so we have to
keep that in mind as well. But Mom Jim, what
I mean, one of the things that's testimony to his
life is the fact that so many people around the
country have reached out and have said that, you know,

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they want to, you know, perform the Jenaza prayer or
the funeral prayer for your mom Jamil, even though they're
not in the location and his body is not there.
So this is to me, is something that's touch that
that that that you know, that that testifies that who
he mom Jamil was in life and what he meant

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to people and the ability that he had as a
leader in order to to to you know, to rally
people and to motivate people. Like one of the brothers
was saying earlier that one of the things that he
Mom Jamil would always do is ask what he could
do for you, Even when he was in this situation
that he was in, you know, for the last you know,

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twenty plus years, you know, twenty five years that you know,
he was still asking people what could he do for them?
And I think that as a leader, what he exemplified
as a leader is the same thing like people like
Malcolm may Alard have mercy on him exemplified as a
leader and others have exemplified it as leaders in this country,

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you know, uh, in the struggle for the for the
liberation of our people. And I think that in terms
of when he you know, in his development, you know,
coming from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, you know, then in his
early years, coming up to UH to d C and
you know, becoming you know, the chair of SNICK after

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Kame Toureys Carmichael and you know, and eventually you know,
moving into you know, uh, you know, being part of
the Black Panther Party and and also allows Lows County, Alabama.
The work that he did, even even in terms of
the adoption of the logo of the Black Panthers came

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from the Lownes County Freedom Organization that you know, it's
im Jamil was instrumentally and at that time it's a
troup Brown and the end of this day, Lownes County,
White Hall, Alabama was is a place that you know,
it's a historical place and that that Imam Jamil was
instrumental in making.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
It what it is.

Speaker 12 (01:14:23):
To this day, and one of the last things that
he was doing previous to him being incarcerated was and
I think, in my opinion, I think that this is
the reason why he's he actually was was set up
and incarcerated in the first place, because he was established
in the community in the white you know, so it

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wasn't and it was and we see from what with
the brother Jamil mentioned what he did in the West
end of Atlanta. You know, that was that's something that
was unprecedented in the country, you know, and he took
a community and it just shows his leadership. Again, the
charisma a lot only sends people like that on rare occasion.

(01:15:05):
You know, we're gonna work for his life, but I mean,
the legacy will continue, and you know, we have a
lot of work to do and to build from what
he what he's established.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
All right, all right, twenty six away from the top
of that family. Just checking in and doctor Khai Patterson,
he's got a panel today this morning discussing tom our men.
Some of you Knowormous h Rap Brown, a central figure
in our freedom movement back in the days, back in
the sixties. And the reason why we're doing this family

(01:15:38):
because many of you don't know or weren't around when
you know, back then in the sixties, in the mid
sixties when fighting for our field. They were literally fighting
for our freedom along with Kwame Terrae from knowing as
Stoke bec Michael when they were running the Snake organization.
But I got a question, doctor Patson, maybe you were
one of the panel members can respond to this because
what we saw when when he was in prison and

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it's health started to deteriorate, and we try to get
him released on humanitarian grounds, and that that went by
the wayside, but we're working with his son and trying
to get that happen. And now we see the same
thing happening with Mahmaya Abu Jamal in Pennsylvania. He's in
prison in the political prison, and his health he is
also going going down, and we try to help and

(01:16:21):
we were still trying to get him re at least
on humanitarian grounds. Do you think that and some people
think that what happened to to what's happening now to
to MoMA, what happened to uh Jamil. They're deliberately sort
of punishing them and refusing to give them the medical
treatment that they need and hoping that the sort of
hoping that they die a slow death. That's that's what

(01:16:42):
I'm getting from the people who support Mama and they
say the same thing that happened to Emil Jim How
I mean, do you see a correlation there, doctor pastor
or anybody on the pop.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:54):
Absolutely, that is definitely a part of the plan. Uh,
let me bring Shafia in on that and everybody else.
Can you know, veg you back on that, But yeah,
that's definitely part of the plan to severe.

Speaker 11 (01:17:07):
Yes, sir. So you know, there's been a term that
has been that the movement has coined. It's called execution
by medical neglect, and that is a real strategy that
that we have observed that has been applied not only
to Emom Jamil, but to Momea. They are trying to

(01:17:28):
do it with men Stewart, they did it. They've done
it with a number of political prisoners and prisoners of
war by withholding. And they never say we won't give it.

Speaker 13 (01:17:44):
They just give trickle a.

Speaker 11 (01:17:45):
Trickle, a trickle of so called care, keep folks in
the worst conditions, conditions that are in humane or have
and have been documented by the United Nations as cool
and unhuman in human punishment.

Speaker 14 (01:18:02):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:18:03):
Uh so yes, Uh, it's not it's not a question,
it's a it's a it seems almost like a standing,
standing tradition. I also wanted to to put forward and
and thank you for the Ibraheim for going into and
dealing with the about the Lowns County Freedom Democratic Organization

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and the work many folks you know, we we we Uh.
First of all, a lot of the young people do
not have forgotten or never were taught about the role
that they played in going into you know, the smaller
rural communities where you know, black people being terrorized right
by the klan, by the White Citizens Council, by the

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by the Sheriff's department.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
By the right and right there we got to make
a little quick stop and check the news and trafficking
our different cities. I let you finish your thought. On
the other side, only twenty two minutes away from the
top of the hour, we get doctor Kokai Patterson's got
a panel here discussing how our brother, a departing brother
just left us Iman Jamil abdul men some of the
US h rap Brown. What are your thoughts? You two
can join this conversation, reach out to us at eight

(01:19:13):
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll
take a phone calls after the news that's next and
Grand Rising family. Thanks are staying with us on this
Wednesday morning, a getaway day for some who are celebrating
the holiday. We'll be here tomorrow. Our guess right now
is doctor ko Kai Patterson. He has a panel discussing
the late Jamal Jamail L. L. Men Iman Jameil L.

(01:19:35):
Men formerly known as h Rap Brown, and the reason
why we're doing the most folks don't know anything or
a lot about h Rap Brown and know's got a
cool name and it was a revolutionary back in the
day with Stopy Carmichael, but they don't know really know
his teachings. And as I mentioned earlier, we've had his
son and who's an attorney, and we try to help
who are trying at that time to get him a
humanitarian release because he's been incarcerated on what people say

(01:19:58):
it was a trump of charges in the state of Georgia.
Before we go back to the panel and doctor Patterson
is wearing mind you come up later this morning, Brother
Sidiki is going to join us, and also tomorrow talented researcher,
brother Katyawati will be here and also dotre Padic doctor
and restaurant tour doctor Baruk will be here as well.
So yeah, we're going to be here on Thursday. So
if you're in Baltimore, I keep you ready to tuned

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to ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV
WE or on fourteen fifteen WL. All right, doctor Patterson,
let's let's assist the Shaffia finish her thoughts the Shapia.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Yes, sir so.

Speaker 11 (01:20:32):
One of the key things about himm Jamille and the
work that was done back in that day is that
they were everyday people who were out martching, who came
out to the mass meetings, and it was about a
struggle for power. It wasn't just about as gets projected today,
about voting for the sake of voting, but having a

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right to begin to control with a to fight off
the terrorism of the claim and have to control over
our lives. And so the organization of the Lows County
Freedom Democratic Party as well as for example, over in Mississippi,
the Mississippi Freedom Party over there was about black people

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organizing to control, just like in DC when DC is
fighting for a home rule right not to be controlled
by Congress, but for the people who lived there to
control their lives. And so this has been a part
of what Imam Jamil has always been about. I do

(01:21:36):
want to pivot and and just reiterate uh uh some
important information in that there is a call asking because
people cannot get to South Florida where the actual funeral
players will be for Imam Jamil, there is a call

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number one of around the country. They're asking any in
almus and all Muslims to stop and even if gather
if you can at two o'clock, which is the time
of the Genaza in Florida, h to stop and do
it for.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Prayer.

Speaker 10 (01:22:21):
The actual Genaza prayer, even in Florida is going to
be at three. They're going to be gathering at two.

Speaker 11 (01:22:27):
They change, they change the time.

Speaker 10 (01:22:30):
No, they're going to be there at you but the
actual prayer, the Genaza prayer is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Going to be held at three o'clock. That's why everybody
is thank you in solidarity at three.

Speaker 15 (01:22:43):
Okay, thank you for that correction.

Speaker 10 (01:22:45):
We didn't know that what they want the people there
in Florida to be at the place at two o'clock okay, okay,
but the Act, yeah, the Act prayer you know, which
only takes about two minutes, three minutes itself, is going
to take place at three. So that's why I think
trying to get the people who were at three to

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be in solidarity on them.

Speaker 11 (01:23:11):
So mean, so you know, we'll we'll put the word
the call out. There is a call. We did not
know about the shift at three o'clock, right, but we're
making a call around the world. There are emails mostache

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in Sierra Leone and in West and other parts of
West Africa who are have been listening in. There are
mass in California, Detroit, Ohio, Chicago who are planning to
do what the Genaza in absension today and they want

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to do it in solidarity. So we will you know,
we're putting the it out. It doesn't have to be
a mosque that is related to Amom Jamail's community. This
is a man who stood for all of humanity. He
stood for all of the oppressed.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
And so.

Speaker 11 (01:24:18):
There is that call out and we know that, you know,
we want to make it easy for everyone, and so
we've also said that besides, if you cannot do it
today at three o'clock, that immediately after Friday prayers this
Friday to do the Jenaza our guibe or the jennaza

(01:24:42):
in absentia. You know, my brother Kakaya, I think it
was talked some about how the medium brother call talked
about how you know, revolutionaries get projected, you know, how
the history or the real three of our people, it
gets projected, and that revolutionaries, if you look at the

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corporate media made who were made the panthers, the folks
and other organizations were made to look like wild eyed crazy,
you know, insane, irrational gun waving. You know, no who
are thoughtful, kind, compassionate people who were human beings right,

(01:25:27):
who thought, who studied? You know, who made the differences
and the only difference has made the commitment of their
lives to change the conditions of people and to do
whatever is necessary.

Speaker 9 (01:25:42):
We had.

Speaker 11 (01:25:43):
But revolutionaries have families that have you know, uh, the
human beings, their neighbors, they're they're coworkers, right, and and
it is those people that you know that everyday folks
who emms Gmail are always able to reach out out
to and give an example about how to carry one's life.

(01:26:05):
And so you know, there's there are some people who
think that you know, thought that a Tratt Brown is
one person and the mom's emil or somebody else. No,
he just simply transcended and expanded.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
But it's his work.

Speaker 11 (01:26:20):
When you look back at at the work done uh
in the mid sixties, you know, he was.

Speaker 13 (01:26:27):
One of the one of the ones that you.

Speaker 11 (01:26:30):
Know, made sure that our movement of freedom as a people.
And I heard, and I'll throw a little bombshell out there,
that are people as an internal colonized nation within a nation,
that we are connected and part of a worldwide movement

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against depression. And so we came out in in in
opposition to the Vietnam War. Our movement came out and
understood that we stood shoulder to shoulder with the people
of South Africa with the struggles in Angola and in

(01:27:15):
Cuba and Namibia, and there's people in Algeria, all of
those kinds of struggles that we were in unity with
because we were part of the oppressed and so with
the rights of a nation of people. And he incorporated
that into the work. But he also understood that we

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are inextricably linked with the rest of humanity. And so
when he became Muslim, when he accepted Islam. He also,
you know, made the correction and projected correction that we
have to also do the internal work of ourselves to
be the change that we say we want in society.

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And so you can look and d Nigga die as
expressing you know who the external enemy is, but revolution,
by the book, is the internal enemy of individual looking.
One of his most famous sayings was, you know it
ain't about you. You know, you can't just be do
your own things right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
It's because we got traffic coming up. It's six minutes
away from the top thing and doctor before we go
to travel down to pasty. I know you wanted to
say something real quick.

Speaker 9 (01:28:32):
Yeah, you know, it's important, as my sister was saying, uh,
to understand the humanism of individuals who commit themselves to war,
you know, and uh, you know, as the Loud sun
A League stated in his song Meet Me in the
Whirld when war is never easy. It's bound to make
you wory, you know, uh. And it's important for people

(01:28:54):
to understand that it separates people and we might not
see each other again until we win. These are the
actual lyrics of look for Me in the Whorld when
written by my big brother blouse and at least so
so important that we understand, you know, the love that
we have in terms of working for our community.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
And I think it's so important to this as well
as a family, to the family that what he was
doing was doing it for us. You know, it wasn't
a vanity trick. These were not out they're trying to
be heroes. But they saw what he was and somebody
had to do it for us. And that's what this
is what Stokely Carmichael, those freedom fighters back in the Sisters,
that's what we're doing. So we would be in a
better pace and Stans I wonder would they approve of

(01:29:36):
what's going on now? How are we doing now? We
fighting each other? You got different groups fighting this group,
but this group fighting this group, and what they were
about was all about unity. But stay with the family
and panel because we've got to check the traffic and
weather not different cities, and we've got to wrap up
with our panel. Interesting conversation though about Jama Jamail our men,
some of you know's h rap Brown. We'll probably get

(01:29:59):
a chance, say one more call if you're out there
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixth
particular calls after the trafficking weather together this next Wednesday morning. Hey,
by the way, if you're traveling today, please take us
with listen. Please drive safely out there. I know folks
listening to us all across the country. Our guest right
now is doctor ko Kai Patterson. He has a panel members.
When we talked about imman gmail, A man some of

(01:30:20):
you know him is h Rap Brown. Members of the
panel are from the Iman Jamail Action Network and we're
just about flat out of time. Oh let me take
as a message. I take one call for the group,
and Cliff is the person calling from Connecticut the Cliff's
Online three Grand Rising.

Speaker 16 (01:30:35):
Cliff, you're on with the panel, Grand Rising, Carl, thanks
you for taking my call all something like on Brothers.
It's through your show that I even heard of brother
h Red Brown and what happened to So my most
respects in my prayers and sympathy are given to his
family and to his friends and those close to him.
So again, Kyl, thank you so much for even introducing

(01:30:55):
and shedding light on this positive brother.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Much respect.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
All right, thanks Cliff. Uh So, so, let's do this.
We give everybody ten seconds to sign off because we've
got UH. We have our next guest standing by futuristic researcher,
brother Saideka Bakari. So uh who wants to stop first?
Anybody can stop wrestling or brother?

Speaker 9 (01:31:13):
Let me yeah, let me real quick and just thank you, uh.
W Let me thank everyone UH in Washington, d C.
And around the country and around the world who supported
UH this action to uh pre Jamil Alami, let me

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thank everyone for their continued work and struggle UH to
bring about change in the community.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
And I yield.

Speaker 10 (01:31:47):
All right, brother Jamil, all right, Yeah, I'm gonna just
leave with this on UH from a revolution by the
book on the back. The struggle is an ongoing process.
When the first slave rebelled against being a slave, he
gave an alternative to slavery that has been built upon
until now that struggle. And they have their many movements

(01:32:11):
in the struggle, evolutionist movement, the anti slavery movement.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
The civil rights movement. But the struggle still goes on.
Shake I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:32:25):
Max get here, yes, yes, a slow way peace. I
don't want to say halaki rajium from the LOWI we
come for the lottery returned. I mean I also wanted
to say this. Here a couple of things I want
to say, and I'm trying to be as refresponsible can
one is this year the peedles system in the United States.

(01:32:48):
Let's keep this understood that Emanjumil out of mean was
put in slavery right, the peoples system in the United States,
in the fact that it's a slave system. The same
inch on the same paper that end the chattle slavery
started pedo slavery. This country has never not been a
slave nation. It is in fact a slave based on
the Law fifteen Mini the United States Constitution state that

(01:33:09):
slaty voluntary servitude exists except for those were duly convenient
of a crime in the United States or in the jurisdiction.
So let's note that point. The bridge system of the
United States is a slave system. Second of all, I
want to understand people understand that we are engaged and
the struggle against genocides. They trying to genicide us, and
so we as to understand that's what the struggle of

(01:33:29):
Elon Jimilladimir was about, fighting for our preservation and our
existence in this country as a result of the nefarious
system of white suprepacy and capitalist imperialism. So let's put
you that as on notes and faridly like the state.
This year, we are engaged in a national struggle against genocides.
So July fourth, twenty twenty six, we are convening in Atlanta, Georgia,

(01:33:55):
National Mobilization against Genocides. Please get in contact with the
Spirit of men Della dot org Spiritmlla dot org and
learn about this national campaign that he management out of meeting,
supports and endorsed. This is a golden lejective we have
continue to build on the leaky.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
We got that before you guys. All right, thank you, brother,
thank you, thank you, thank you for yielded. Who well, next,
real quick, doctor Patterson, see if we can do this
real quick? Since is your fail let me do it?

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Is your fair cause? Your closing remarks?

Speaker 11 (01:34:32):
They may be Mom Jamil the martyr, He is our
martyr we call on.

Speaker 17 (01:34:36):
We asked that he'd be accepted in the highest stage
of Jennifer, those of Paradise as a martyr, and we
will have more intention of.

Speaker 11 (01:34:47):
Carrying it on, carrying the struggle on.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
Thank you, Mom.

Speaker 17 (01:34:52):
Jamil, and all of our ancestors have taken upon themselves
to fight for we will carry it on.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Thank you, bless of those who struggling.

Speaker 12 (01:35:08):
Oppression is worse than the grave. It is better to
live and for no noble cause than to live in
us lady.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
I mean me, I mean and everybodys you.

Speaker 9 (01:35:22):
That's everybody, Brother Quasi in the game. Thank you so much.
And we asked everybody uh to join this movement. As
my big brother stated, Uh, the panthers were were young
people at age sixteen. If you were thirty, they might
call you grandpa back in that day. So what are
young people doing now? So they should look at those
examples and let's see if we can turn these things

(01:35:44):
around in our community. And again, thank you so much,
brother Quash in the w L family for.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
People education.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
All righty, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:35:56):
Thanks all this time prem.

Speaker 5 (01:35:59):
Pre coming should call a free a commands men, free your.

Speaker 14 (01:36:02):
More all.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Eight minutes off the top of the family. Just think
our panel there with doctor Cocart Patterson has turned over
now to brother Sadeka Bakari, Brother Sidiki, thank you being
so patient with us.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
And grand Rising greetings brother grand Rise, and how you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
I'm still learning, man, I'm just amazing with some of
this stuff that I don't know. You know, the more
the more you learn, the more you learn that you
don't know that, you don't know a lot, you know.
So I know I'm gonna learn a lot from you
this morning because you've been our ears and our eyes
and ears when it comes to AI artificial intelligence, but
you take it to a different level. People just talk
about the surface changes that AI artificial intelligence is bringing

(01:36:45):
or doing to our community, and many people don't even
know they're already working with AI artificial intelligence, but they
don't know it yet. But you take it to it
and that's just on the surface, you know, some of
the digital things that we're doing as people. But tell
us today, what you how deep we're going to go today?
You're going to get into complexion, plexuses of mother of

(01:37:05):
motherboard technology. What is what you mean by that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
So? Okay, so here dealing with mother board technology. Okay,
So let me explain It's simple, simply put so when
we deal with motherboard technology. So, first of all, when
you deal with AI, when you deal with technology, it's
mimicking something. So that motherboard technology that it is mimicking
is us as humans, so to speak. So you're dealing

(01:37:30):
with spiritual technology. The framework of spiritual technology is primarily
the framework of who and what we are as humans,
divine beings so to speak, So our imagination, our intuition,
the central nervous system, the brain, and things of that nature,
sales and so on and so forth. So when we
talk about a motherboard technology here, that's what we're going

(01:37:52):
to talk about the essence of that, not computers per se,
digital phones and things of that nature. We're going to
talk to or about the original computers digital phone, so
to speak, which is ourselves, and we're going to deal
with that through the gateway of trauma. So last time
I was on, we talked about trauma, a mother board

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of technology and a mirror of unhealed memory and metadata.
So the response was so overwhelming that a part two
was necessary, and just from a standpoint of it's so
much information to deal with in regards to that topic

(01:38:36):
or my book. Now, next time I come on, Carl,
if you give us the permission, we can deal with
more of the other side of AI and technology and
where it's heading and what's going on, because it's a
lot of misinformation out here. It's a lot of people
teaching from ignorance, meaning they really don't understand what AI is,

(01:39:00):
where AI is headed, these slogans AI is the future
and things of that nature, and what that really means.
To a degree, there's some truth in that it is
the future, but it's not the future that people think
that it is. So we've talked about it. We'll talk
about it some more.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Yeah, we've got to talk about that because you know,
brother Sneaking, the person they call the godfather of Ai
prediction that AI is going to be a downfall of society.
So you know this is right, dude, one of the
godfathers anyway, you know along presentation. I'm sure you're familiar
with that. But yeah, so let's deal with what we're

(01:39:38):
dealing with right now though, because again that's all on
the surface of what they're dealing with. Oh it's great,
but they don't understand that it can't work without us.
I think that that's pivotal to this discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
That's right, it's twofold. So mainly what we need to
be concerned about is ourselves, because the greatest war has
taken place is the war that we have with ourselves.
And I'm talking about the person him or herself specifically,
and also as it extends out the family, the community,
are people in general. So that's what we really need

(01:40:13):
to deal with as opposed to all these external things
that are ultimately just distractions from us dealing with what
we need to deal with within ourselves. So trauma, it's
a huge, huge aspect of our beingness that most people
ignore that most people are enslaved by or enslaved too.

(01:40:39):
So we're going to deal with that and in many
things that trauma correlates to. Right, So when we look
at trauma correlates with again, it's it's a motherboard of technology,
it's a supercomputer, it's blockchain technology. You're dealing with ritual,
you're dealing with sigil because we actually become the sigil

(01:41:00):
for trauma. All Right, this gets really deep if we really,
you know, get into it and pay attention to what's
happening alchemy. You're talking about transmutation and different aspects of
that type of science. When you deal with trauma, trauma's
dealing with every aspect of our beingness. As I mentioned,
essential nervous system, of subconscious mind, your neurological self. These

(01:41:23):
are all aspects of how the memory, the triggering of memories, stimuli, reactions,
and things of that nature. How that relates to trauma
as well as fear, and when we deal with that,
be very clear. When you deal with trauma, you're dealing
with neurological markers. You're dealing with hormonal markers. You're dealing

(01:41:47):
with memory markers, behavioral markers, emotional markers, electrical markers, biomarkers,
bio fingerprints, so to speak, trackers. You're also dealing with
like currents from an electrical perspective, you're dealing with timeline markers,
you're dealing with biometric signals, you're dealing with atanas because
that trauma actually bonds with other types of energies, whether

(01:42:11):
that's within you or outside of you. So it does
have a parasitic nature.

Speaker 10 (01:42:16):
It does.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
Interface and connect with toxicity and parasites and entities and
things of that nature. So it's a lot deeper than
we think. It's not just what you see on the
surface when a person is actually dealing with trauma or
have become possessed so to speak, by trauma. So these

(01:42:38):
are all things that you will be dealing with the
bonding of trauma. Again, trauma's toxic hormones will get into
hormones and how trauma affects hormones because this is a process.
So hopefully people will understand more once we get through
this morning that it is a process that the body
is going through when you deal with trauma, when you

(01:42:59):
deal with fear. People say things like fear is a
illusion and you know all these other things, and to
a degree that might be true, but as far as
the body, it is not an illusion. The body is
dealing with fear. The body is reacting to fear. Hormones
are dealing with fear, right, Your neurons are dealing with fear,

(01:43:20):
Your essential nervous system is dealing with fear. Your subconscious
mind is dealing with fear. Your brain is dealing with fear,
all right. So from that perspective, it's definitely not an illusion,
all right. So those are things we have to deal with.
Emotions and how that relates to trauma and fear, synapsy
and how that works in regards to trauma and fear,

(01:43:43):
the neurological aspect of who and what we are. So
it's very in depth how we relate to trauma, the
fear based programming. These are external things. The fear based
programming that trigger's trauma. Psychological operations or styops programming that
trigger's trauma. So all these different things that we're dealing with.
Cognitive dissonance that triggers trauma, so media narratives that triggers trauma.

(01:44:07):
So this is a very lengthy aspect of our beingness
and to a degree you can't consider some aspects of trauma.
Is artificial intelligence Again, it's definitely a technology. It's definitely
working algorithmically, all right, because there is a pattern. Again,
there is a process. There is a pathology from a

(01:44:29):
standpoint too, or of how trauma works and operates within us.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
All Right, family, it's sixteen after the top of their
brother Sindeka be caring. Hey call up a couple of
friends and telling brother Sadeki is on the radio. They'll
appreciate it, and you're going to learn a lot this morning,
and you gotta listen very keenly, very keenly. So, brother Sineki,
what can we do about the fear aspect?

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
Well, okay, So when we deal with fan trauma, first
and foremost, what people have to do, and there's foundational things.
The main foundational thing that a person must do is
be honest with him or herself. You have to be
honest about your traumas, whether that's childhood or whatever the
situation is, as opposed to suppressing it and things of
that nature. And that's what really causes the issues, is

(01:45:14):
when it's suppressed, when we don't when we're not honest
with ourselves and understanding that we have certain issues due
to what's happened in our childhood, what's happened as adults,
and things of that nature. And it's very interesting and
dealing with trauma. So let's say you are an adult,
you're thirty, forty, fifty, sixty, seventy years old. You may

(01:45:36):
have had trauma at ten years old. Now what's interesting
is see this is the reason.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Right there, because we've got to step aside for feelings.
I don't want to break your rhythm because this is
important you know, and tell us when you come back.
Also just how we can recognize it. It's trauma. Family,
We're going deep this morning with brother Sadeka Bakari. You
is right. The last time got a lot of response
from what he did the last time around, So we're
going to go even deeper today. As I may cob
a couple of friends and tell them that the brother
Sadeki is on the radio. They'll appreciate it. And this

(01:46:05):
man we've got to step aside. At seventeen after the
time that we're back with brother Sideki and your phone calls.
You got a question, reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixty.
We'll take those calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for rolling by us on this Wednesday morning at twenty
one minutes after the top of there. I guess there
is a future research. It does a lot of research
and not on the superficial level when it comes to

(01:46:26):
AI artificial intelligence. Your name is Sadeka Bakari, and like
I said, listen really really Kenny what he's explaining to
you how artificial intelligence AI, what they do and how
it works, because it can't work without you. So, brother Sadeka,
you tell us about the fear aspect and sometimes that
fear can be way back when we were children. But
how do we recognize that? First, if you can explain,

(01:46:47):
how do we recognize the fear? Actually I do recognize
how do we know that it's fear?

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Okay, So trauma and fear. Further of are your again,
let me make this distinction for people, how very real
to your being or your body? Okay, so again you
have new age people who talk about fears and illusion
and all these other things. Is made up in your
mind and all these other things. Now, just be very

(01:47:13):
clear your body, regardless of whether it is made up
in your mind, if it is something that is really
happening in quote unquote reality, so to speak. The bottom
line is your body has a response. Okay, that's the
main thing I want everyone listening to understand. Your body

(01:47:35):
has a response to trauma, to fear, the many different
things that it encompasses. From a standpoint of trauma in fear,
all right, so this is a process that your body
undergoes when you deal with it. Now, let me go
back to the example, the example that I was giving
from a standpoint of childhood trauma so to speak, or

(01:47:56):
even adult trauma. So let's say you have childhood trauma
at the age of ten, this becomes adult trauma. Now,
let me be clear if this is unhealed and unresolved
trauma that you experienced as a child as an adult
thirty forty, fifty, sixty seventy years old. If that trauma

(01:48:16):
has not been dealt with, if it's still unhealed, still unresolved,
you're still a slave to the experience, the memory of it, emotionally, hormonally,
how your central nervous system is out of alignment because
of it, the memory aspect of it, the triggers, the
stimuli that may trigger it, all of those things. That's

(01:48:39):
part of the process. From an emotional standpoint. Every time
you have to re encounter that trauma for whatever reason,
you are ten years old. Again, your emotional maturity is
that of the ten year old that dealt with that

(01:49:00):
experience of trauma. But whatever the situation was. That's what
we have to understand. This is why people react the
way they react when they deal with certain situations as adults.
It's because they have never dealt with the trauma that
existed as a child. All right, that's important for people

(01:49:20):
to understand. Now, I've given a list before of characteristics
that people can see and witness within themselves or other
people that are attributes of trauma and unresolved, unhealed trauma,
fear that the memory of it, the experience of it,

(01:49:43):
and things of that nature, and what I'm going to
do is come back and I'm going to define trauma
for people. That may help even more. But some of
these things that people deal with on a daily basis,
or you see other people, you experience it through other
people or yourself. Normally it's through other people because most
people won't see it in themselves. They won't see the

(01:50:03):
reflection in the mirror that they're dealing within themselves. All right,
But over reactions, okay, people who are defensive, people who
have control issues, people who are overbearing, people who hold resentment,
people who are unforgiving, people who have low self esteem, insecurities,
self sabotage, all these different things. People who are overly

(01:50:28):
they deal with sarcasm and in a way that is
out of control, that's hit and pain. So all these things, immaturity, entitlement, pettiness, right,
people who make excuses all the time. And I'll get
into complaining before we get in the show and how
that relates to trauma and fear and what that does,

(01:50:50):
because as a people, we've become complainers, whether it's personal
or whether it's a people that's a trauma response. So
we got to deal with that as well. People who
have in zie, people who deal with depression like these
are all aspects of this motherboard of what trauma creates
or what trauma manifests. Passive aggressiveness, people who are spiteful,

(01:51:12):
people who are stubborn, people who constantly whine, constantly complain, stagnation,
lack of focus, being distracted, hormonal imbalances, these are all
aspects of results of trauma. Okay, emotional numbers, numbness, uncontrollable reactions,
lack of discipline, lack of consistency. So those are all

(01:51:35):
attributes or characteristics. All right, Now, let's backtrack. Let's go.
Let's backtrack so people can understand what we're talking about. Now.
I want people to understand traumas not just what you
experience personally. So say the childhood, that childhood experience that happened.
It's so much more than that. If you are here

(01:52:00):
the so called United States, you have a traumatic disposition
that you've dealt with, whether you realize it or not.
Because you have people who think, oh, well, what is
this brother talking about. I don't have trauma? Yes you do.
You watch your television all day, you have trauma. You
watch the news all day, you have trauma? All right,

(01:52:20):
but this is a definition. Trauma is defined as disturbing
or distressing events or experiences that affects and damages the mind, spirit, soul, emotions, neurology,
and the subconscious mind. Trauma is also defined as an
emotional response to a terrible event, emotional distress, and mental

(01:52:42):
challenges resulting from a traumatic event, which can include the
experience of physical trauma, severe emotional trauma to a stressful
event that overwhelms a person's ability to cope and to
process it emotionally, leading to PTSD post traumatic stress disorder. Now,

(01:53:05):
let's be clear, the majority of people still don't understand
what COVID was or is that's traumatic? All right? You've
been through a traumatic situation, all right? Nine to eleven, Right,
All these different things are traumatic events that people have
been through, and the majority of people still don't understand

(01:53:28):
what nine to eleven was. But emotionally they felt the impact.
Psychologically they felt the impact, all right. So nine to eleven, terrorism, COVID,
or the so called plandemic, war, racism, so called elections,
Hurricane Katrina, all of these are examples of traumatic events,
things that happened outside of us that you may have

(01:53:51):
not thought personally affected you. All right. So these are
all aspects of trauma. And again your body process is
these things, and it's algorithmic, it's a pattern, all right,
it's ritualistic, all right, it is pathological, and of course
they use media and things of that nature to make

(01:54:11):
sure that they are imprinting this into your being. All right.
So these are things that we have to make sure
that we understand. I said I was going to get
into this notion right there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
I mean for a second right there, brother sneak at film,
and it's off the top because if from hearing what
you're saying, then all of us have had some sort
of trauma in our lives.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
Doctor joid De group talked about it in that book
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. So so what you're saying, it's
in our DNA from our ancestors.

Speaker 4 (01:54:44):
That's part of it. That's definitely part of it. So
let me let me say this. When we talk about
the premordial aspect or essence of who and what we are,
trauma is not part of that program, all right, It's
not part of our program to to problem is a
notion of who and what we are, or fear is

(01:55:05):
a notion of who are what we are. These are
programs that we ultimately or experiences that we ultimately end
up being part of, all right, So they become memories
and experiences, but ultimately that's not the essence or genome
of who are what we are as as a standpoint
of a blockchain, it becomes part of that blockchain through

(01:55:28):
human interfacing and things of that nature. So just so
we're clear, all right, But yes, so that becomes part
of who and what we are in the programming and
of course everything that we need to deal with it
that exists within us as well if we know how
to tap into it. So that's definitely part of the

(01:55:48):
metadata and meta information at this point of what it
is that we're.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
Dealing with, all right, because then that involves all of
us then, because.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
Well, yes, absolutely right, absolutely so your mother is passed on,
So how do we deal with though?

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Brother sadiki?

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Okay, So before we get to that, because Carl, it's
things that I know are people deal with pathologically, all right.
So that's the reason I'm kind of working the way
I'm working with it so we can deal with it.
But I will give something let me.

Speaker 10 (01:56:25):
Just do that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
I'll give some things right now that people can do.
But there has to be a deprogramming and a reprogramming,
all right, there has to be. If that's not happening,
people will not do the things that I'm going to
give people that they can do, all right. Let me
be clear when I say it. That's why I mentioned earlier.

(01:56:47):
The first thing a person has to do is to
admit that they have these issues. And oftentimes a person
does not want to admit these things. Why because that
means they have to do something, whether it's personal meaning
within themselves, something they have to deal with from a
standpoint of trauma, fear, whatever, all of those things that

(01:57:07):
I listed are So people don't deal with those things,
all right, because they can't deal with that marrior, They
can't deal with that reflection. Now, even if it's external.
People know that there's things that they need to deal with,
but they do not deal with it because that means
they have to do something. So, whether that is on
a political realm, the educational round, whatever realm we're talking about,

(01:57:34):
the spiritual realm, if there's work to do, most people
will ignore whatever that issue is. The trauma, the response
of the trauma, the stimuli, the memory, whatever it is,
so called solutions, whatever it is. People refuse to deal
with it, all right, So they'll keep doing the same

(01:57:56):
thing over and over again, thinking that they're going to
get different results, that they're actually healing, but in essence
they're not healing. What they're actually doing is strengthening those
neuropathways that's related to the trauma, all right. They're imprinting
more and more what that traumatic memory is, or the

(01:58:19):
experience of it, the reaction of it, because that's what
the hormones do, that's what the brain does, that's what
the neurons do, that's what the central nervous does. So
all those things, again, they're systemic, so they operate in
a certain way, and you're not going to bypass the

(01:58:40):
way that these things operate. That's why the work has
to be done. Now let me answer your question, Carl,
So what are things that we can do? Number One,
you have to confront the trauma or the fear. People
nowadays in the New Age movement are telling you to
ignore it and not deal with it. Why would you
want to bring it back up? Well, it's going to
come back up regardless. You cannot stop it from coming

(01:59:02):
back up. So until you begin to deal with it appropriately,
it will continue to come up as it desires because
your body or your being is always going to do
what it needs to do for you to transform yourself
or heal yourself or whatever the situation is. All right,
you have to calm your central nervous system. So there's

(01:59:23):
things that you can do to calm your central nervous system.
Some of those things I'm going to mention here. You
have to change disagreeable thoughts. Thought has a lot to
do with what's happening internally in your body. Simply what
you think. This is why I've always stated that the
war is on and for your mind. So simply what

(01:59:44):
you think. Your thinks or your thought excuse me, are
based off of programming. Most people aren't thinking their own thoughts,
they're thinking program thoughts. All right. You have to rewire, restructure,
and reconst struct your subconscious mind, your subconscious mind. Most
people are. You're subservient and oppressed by your subconscious mind. Again,

(02:00:09):
when you deal with subconscious conscious mind, you're not just
dealing with thoughts. You're dealing with everything that you come
into contact with. That's a subconscious mind. It cannot be
bypassed or overridden. It's taking in everything. You cannot stop
it from taking in music, you can't stop it from whatever.

(02:00:30):
The programming is, the signs, the symbols, the colors, you
can't stop that from entering your being. Now, of course,
there's things that you can do once that happens. And
programming in regards to the subconscious mind is based off
of pathology. So whatever it takes in the most is
ultimately what it operates off of, all right. Reducing stress

(02:00:54):
and anxiety. Most people are slaves to stress and anxiety,
but mainly stress. Toxic stress is going to cause anxiety,
it's going to cause depression, it's going to cause all
the things that comes with that. All right, So you
can do things ritualistically that will help as far as

(02:01:15):
you know, dealing with your central nervous system, the different
systems of your body, meditation, but that's these are things
that you have to do consistently. So if you're doing
meditation is something you have to do consistently, If you're
doing visualization is something that you have to do consistently.
If you're changing disagreeable thoughts to agreeable thoughts or thoughts,

(02:01:37):
that will work for you you have to do it consistently.
If you're journaling, this is something that you have to
do consistently. Exercises, if you're doing exercises, physical exercises and
things of that. Nature has to be something that you're
doing consistently. If you're walking in nature and doing the
nature things that helps bring calm and peace to your

(02:01:58):
central nervous system. That will help with trauma and depression
and anxiety.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
Brothers. Yeah, holds all right there, brother say, we got
to step aside for a few months. When we come back, though,
is the same thing what you're doing, like self medicating
if you're doing drugs and drink sex line, is it
the same thing? You respond to that when we come back,
But you're doing it yourself, but you don't know why
you're doing it. You're self medicating yourself. I'll let you
explain that when we get back. Family, you two can

(02:02:23):
join our conversation with brother Sadeka Bakari. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take all your phone calls. Next and
Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this
Wednesday morning with our guest, the brother Sadeka Bakari and
as I mentioned, it's going real deep this morning. Again,
I rearge. You call up a couple of friends and
tell them the brother Sadeka's on the radio. They'll appreciate it. Tomorrow,

(02:02:44):
we're going to be here tomorrow for sure, and we'll
be drawn by talented researcher, future researcher brother Katia Water.
Also natural practic doctor doctor Barruk will be here. Doctor
Baru also a restaurant tour in the DMV.

Speaker 4 (02:02:55):
Here.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
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and you can hear us all day long as well.
Brilla Siniki again back to you. Know these issues that
you talked about, some of us trying to self medicate.

(02:03:18):
This is what leads to addiction, whether it be drink, drugs, alcohol,
you know, alcohol, sex, whatever, line, whatever is just the
cause of those those addictions. What you tell us about
how to combat this fear, this trauma, that we had
in our earlier lives.

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
Well, yeah, absolutely can be. That is definitely a rabbit hole.
That could be many different things, but it's definitely one
way or another related to trauma and the motherboard that
we are talking about trauma as a supercomputer, so to speak,
So that that's definitely something that a person would like

(02:03:56):
to note because again, it's about not facing or dealing
with whatever those traumas may be that they have, whether
it's door childhood, whether it's adulthood, whether it's relative to
traumatic events outside of them, whatever it's related to, is
just some way or another, not wanting to deal with

(02:04:18):
whatever it is that needs to be dealt with. So
again we're talking about unhealed memory and metadata, So you're
talking aboutnhaled trauma, unresolved trauma. So that's what we're talking
about and everything that comes with that, the experiences, the memories,
the reactions, the stimuli that triggers the memories, the triggers

(02:04:44):
the experiences, and things of that nature. So keep in
mind when you deal with trauma or whatever it is
that we're dealing with, we are the metadata, so to speak.
Metadata is what houses information, So we're the metadata, are right,
the meta information or the information is what's how So

(02:05:06):
when we deal with our central nervous system that houses information,
when you deal with the brain, when you deal with blood,
when you deal with the cells, all these different things,
how's information? Our subconscious mind houses information?

Speaker 5 (02:05:17):
All right?

Speaker 4 (02:05:18):
Now, this is important for people to understand. We've always
heard is a person emotionally intelligent? Now, if you reallydo
and understood what we're dealing with, that's actually a very
ignorant statement. It's not about if a person it's emotionally intelligent,
because emotions are a byproduct of your hormones. So as
a person hormonally intelligent, all right, that's really what we

(02:05:41):
should be asking ourselves because if you understand how your
hormones work, and how that's related to your emotions, how
that's related to your central nervous system, how that's related
to your brain, all of those things, you better understand
the trauma that you're dealing with and what it causes
and what it creates. Hormones are chemical messengers that are

(02:06:04):
secreted directly into the blood. Any of various chemicals made
by living cells carried around the body in the blood.
Messenger molecules in the body So basically, the hormones are messages,
all right. It's like sending text messages, so to speak,
all over your body to the particular systems that guess

(02:06:27):
what it guess what they do. They control emotion, they
control your reactions. So when you talk about hormones like cortisol,
so to speak, all right, So cortis are when you
deal with this this hormone, you're going to be dealing
with these reactionary type of attributes and characteristics because of

(02:06:50):
that hormone level that's caused by fear, that's caused by trauma,
that's caused by re experiencing trauma, the memories, the trauma
bonding that people deal with, complaining consistently or pathologically, these
are the things that taps into quarters are or taps

(02:07:12):
into the part of the brain called the amygdula, all right.
The amygdula is where trauma, fear, complaining, and those type
of things are actually housed in processed, and then it
goes to the various parts of the body that it
needs to go to. That's going to cause anxiety, that's
going to cause depression, that's going to cause the reactions

(02:07:33):
that people see because of a person dealing with trauma, fear,
and the many other things that a person may be
dealing with. So people often see the end results, but
they don't understand the process to get to the end results.
And it's important for people to understand this because the system,
though that ninety nine percent of people is probably a

(02:07:55):
number that high, has absolutely no idea how their body
operates in the process that the bodies go through from
a standpoint of programming, because they're programming you constantly, so
they understand how you're going to react to the programming
based on the programming that they're giving you. Trauma based programming,

(02:08:15):
fear based programming, emotional based programming, psychological operations. They're all related,
all right, and they all work hand in hand. So
this is what they are doing to you as a
person when you cut on the television, all right, when
they create these false narratives, when you deal with these
different staged events and things of that nature, they understand

(02:08:39):
what it is doing to you and what it is
causing you on a hormonal level, on a level of
your cells and your memory, and in printing these memories
and printing or creating stimuli, it taps into the trauma
that you have dealt with throughout your whole life. Why

(02:08:59):
do you think when you turn on the television you
see things like rape scenes and abuse and all these
other things on these shows and in these movies and
things of that nature, Why do you think that is
a current, a currently pathologically running thing in what you
are watching on wherever you're watching it. Same thing with

(02:09:20):
the news. That's intentional. They understand what they are tapping into,
all right. Now, that's to keep you a slave to
yourself and a slave to the system. Even though you
think you may be fighting for something, until you are
actually fighting to free yourself internally, what are you really
fighting Because you're going to be a slave to the

(02:09:42):
programming one way or another. And that's what people need
to understand, all right. The complaining, complaining, pathological complaining, taps
into trauma, fear, and things of that nature. It creates
a particular type of energy. You're dealing with energy when

(02:10:03):
you deal with trauma. You're dealing with frequency when you
deal with trauma, all right. And this is why I
was saying, it's a parasitic when you deal with Trauma's
parasitic in nature. Also with trauma bonds with that type
of energy, as well as as other type of toxic energies,
entities and things of that nature, because these things lash
on energetically. So what's happening when a person is constantly complaining,

(02:10:28):
You are constantly igniting that imgdolah, all right, that part
of the brain that again I just dealt with what
that does. So it sends the signals to the different
parts of the body, and then the body operates as such,
whether that's fight or flight, you know, whatever, whatever it
may be, whether that's anger, whether that's rage, whether that's depression, whatever,

(02:10:52):
the attribute attached to that specific trauma that that person
has dealt with will ultimately create. All right. So complaining
rewires the brain, so people understand, it rewires the brain.
Trauma rewires the brain, Fear rewires the brain, all right.

(02:11:14):
So one minute of negative talk floods the brain with
corders are that strengthens fear and trauma pathways. All right.
As I mentioned again, complaints trigger that i'mgdoulah, all right.
It sends messages of danger and you they may not
be danger, but that's how that part of the brain works,

(02:11:36):
all right. So it floods the body with cortisol, which
is a stress hormone. It creates ours of hormonal chaos. Ours.
People need to understand this. This is what your body
is doing when you keep talking about and I'm gonna
use this as an example, Trump Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,

(02:11:56):
and what Trump is doing and what Trump is not doing.
Guess what that does. It floods the body with cortisol.
It's a stress hormone that creates hours of hormonal chaos.
So now your essential nervous system, all these different systems
are now not in alignment. You understand what this is doing,

(02:12:18):
not only to your emotional state, but what is doing
to your organs, to your cells. This is how it operates,
all right. Now listen to this. Your brain copies other
people stress in three minutes, all right. This is based

(02:12:44):
on mirror neurons. It's called mirror neurons. Your brain copies
other people's stress in three minutes. So if you sitting there,
listen to somebody that can plan, complain, complain over and
over my job, my job, my job, my job, what's
going on at my job? My job? This person, this person,
this person, this person, my mother, my mother, my mother,

(02:13:04):
my mother, all of that. Three minutes of that, all right? Now,
your beingness has now incorporated that energy. It copied it,
it mirrored it. Now you've become that energy. This is
the reason you have to understand who's good for you

(02:13:28):
being around you energetically. This is why you have to
make decisions about who's around you, because you literally become
them based on science and dealing with the brain and
neurons and energy, you become them energetically. All right, complainers,

(02:13:50):
let me be clear. Energy vampires. And when I say that,
understand I mean people who complain over and over and
over again and do nothing. That's what I'm That's what
I'm saying. These are energy vampires because they have not
dealt with the unhealed the trauma. So it's unhealed, it's unresolved.

(02:14:13):
All right, Again, this is a motherboard of technology. This
is an algorithm. This is why a person continues to
do it over and over again. The time has power.
It can be agreeable or disagreeable. A person who continues
to complain over and over again about the same thing
and does nothing, that is a disagreeable power, and it

(02:14:36):
creates in the universe just like it creates the person
that continues to listen to it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:42):
Yeah, let me jumpin first because what you're saying is
really important. That's why we always end the show tell
people stay strong and stay healthy and stay positive, always
stay positive. But those people that you're talking about, brother Siineki,
many of them don't know. If they don't know, if
they're negative. You have a conversation and like you said,
everything is negative, and they wonder why you don't return
their calls, So don't have a conversation with them, or

(02:15:04):
or you know, keep them, keep them, give them along
length and you know, keep them away because it's so niggative.
Everything is just negative, just complaining about people and everything
in the world is wrong. You know, they're like, wow, man,
but they don't. They don't. And I say that because
it happens to one person. I says, is there anything
good happening the a lot? I says, just just roll

(02:15:25):
back the conversation we had. Everything was just negative. There's
nothing positive. You have nothing, And I don't want to
get that contaminated with that kind of negative energy. So
you know, you try to stay away from those perfecture
always complaining. But what do you do though, other than
you know, leave them on first base and you keep running.
What do you do with those folks.

Speaker 4 (02:15:44):
Well, that's what you have to do, because this is
why I'm talking about this. So people understand when you
how neurons mirror each other or themselves. So now you're
mirroring the neurons of someone else as far as them
being complain is. Now obviously there's the other side of

(02:16:05):
this as well, all right. People who are agreeable and
positive and motivated and powerful, you're gonna mirror that too,
all right, But we're talking about the other side of
it that's related to trauma, fear, and all those other things,
all right. So this is a cycle, and people need
to understand it. This is a cycle, all right. Complaining

(02:16:29):
gets you quartisol reaction. You're igniting quartisol, all right, which
is gonna take you into memory loss, which is going
to take you into fear response or trauma response, which
is going to take you into more complaining. That's pathological.
So you have repetition of complaining that becomes a pathology

(02:16:53):
or a have it that becomes a behavior. All right. Now,
let's just be honest when we look at our people
in general, that's what we're dealing with. You can give
people solutions all day, they will keep complaining. This is
why I don't listen to people who ask, what's the solution?

(02:17:14):
Number one is not one solution number two. Chances are,
what I've experienced is those people who's asking for solutions
are never part of the solution, nor do they want
to be part of the solution. All right, it's just talk, okay.
But this complaining is a cycle complaining from a standpoint
of it's connection to trauma, it's connection to fear. The i'mmgdoulah,

(02:17:40):
and how these things operate your central nervous system, all right,
how it rewires the brain too. In other words, it's
when I say rewire the brain, just so people can
kind of understand it in a simpler way. Primarily, what
it's doing is it's creating and calling the same energy

(02:18:07):
over and over and over again. That's why you get
to complaining. Like the subconscious mind, so to speak, if
you keep telling yourself I can't do it, well, guess
what your subconscious mind is going to be in alignment
with you, saying and thinking and quote unquote believing that
you can't do it.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
All right, for a few moments, so our stations can
identify themselves down the line. Per the FCC, and we
got some folks who want to talk to you as well.
I probably I'll share a question, share what my experience
is when it's being positive. Two minutes away from the
time of our family like to speak to our guess
brother Sadeka, Butcar reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

(02:18:49):
we'll take your phone calls next and grand Rising family,
thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning. I
guess there's brother Sudeka, but Car's future's degree searcher. And
I said us contably within our share this with you
because it's a private conversation. But I'm gonna share with
you anyway because this is how we started. I talked
about ending the show as things stay positive and also
said stay in the light. We had doctor Welson on

(02:19:12):
one day and Doctor Wilson was taking calls from the listeners.
This is in LA and they're all complaining, you know,
just one after the other. So when we got to
the commercial Stevine calls it says, I need to talk
to doctor Welson. What's wrong with our folks? Why why
are they complaining so much? And what brother Sidiki said
is what Dr Welson told Steve, and Steve goes, well,
we've got to turn that around. We've got to get

(02:19:33):
our people to to be more positive, you know, and
he just basically says, which you've got to do figure
out a way to you know. That's why I always
helped employ people to stay positive and people like what
brothers Sideka's talking about. The negative folks that come without
negative energy. Just stay away from them, man, just if
they keep calling you and knocking other people and trying

(02:19:55):
to put people down and all that kind of stuff,
leave them in the left field. Don't. Don't. Don't get
involved with him, get involved in all that kind of negativity.
So that's that's what I was, you know, contemplating share.
But yeah, that's was and that's why we try to
do it on this program. That's why I say it
every time we get in the program. You know, stay positive,
stay strong, stay put, and stay healthy, and we should
say stay in the light as well. So that's that's

(02:20:16):
where that came from. That conversation between doctor Wilson and
Stevie Wonder, That's that's what it came from. And this
is but I don't hear as much as negative because
I guess you keeps saying it every day. From these
particular listeners, it quite there's a few call up trying to,
you know, be negative, but for the most part, most
of our listens, I got to say, are very positive,
always forward thinking. But you're right, there are some people

(02:20:37):
like that in your life and may be in your family.
You may be even married to it, maybe your children.
So you've got to figure a way to turn and
once you once they see you being positive, it rubs
off on them because that negative energy can't scan fight
against being positive. So that that's my two cents there, Brothers.
I'll let you finish your thoughts calls from these.

Speaker 4 (02:20:56):
Folks before we do that. Carl, So, hormones, and the
reason I'm dealing with hormones is because we didn't last show,
and it's still a ton of things we haven't dealt with,
the vagist nerve, the central nervous system, the olympic system,
all of that. However, hormones are chemicals. So you mentioned addiction,

(02:21:17):
hormones and chemicals, So again you're talking about a pathology,
you're talking about algorithms, you're talking about a process. So
people who continuously tap into certain hormones, which are chemicals.
They're going to be an addiction. So people are addicted
to what quartersoll creates or what adrenaline creates, so they're

(02:21:40):
addicted to those chemicals because again it's a pathology. So
the reactions that you see from people, whether that's complaining,
being quote unquote negative, or whatever it is, is related
to those chemicals or hormones being tapped into the majority
of the time. This is why I mentioned in the
beginning of the show hormonal markers or neurological markers, or

(02:22:05):
memory markers, or biomarkers, biofingerprints, trackers, all these different things
biometric signals. These are signals. So this is the signal
that's constantly being created in a person due to trauma,
due to the response of trauma, due to trauma bonding,
because that's what you're dealing with with people who have

(02:22:27):
a complaining spirit or nature so to speak. They're looking
to trauma bond. Whether it's conscious or unconscious, they're looking
to trauma bond. That's what that's about, all right. That
type of toxic parasitic energy needs a host, so that's
what you're dealing with. So again, when you deal with hormones.

(02:22:48):
You are dealing with chemicals. This is why I'm saying
you are a slave to yourself or your body if
you don't understand how your body operates. This is why
I do what I do, and I'm doing all the
things and I'm doing and trauma motherboard of technology and
the mirror of unhealed memory and metadata. That's why I

(02:23:08):
write these books for people to go to these books,
and the things that we're talking about are further explained
in these books. This is why I do the one
on ones and help people every day to deal with
these things. That's the reason I do these things, all right.
So it's much deeper than we ever could imagine. You
mentioned the surface, you know, when we first began in

(02:23:31):
this conversation, and we're so surface level on so many
things that it ultimately is affecting us and decisions that
we make, not only as individuals, but as a community
or as a people. It's affecting us in our everyday lives.
The dependency, codependency and not having self reliance, not having

(02:23:52):
self determination, all of these are related to being a
people who are unhealed and have not resolved trauma and
that nature many of your healers, and I listen, I'm
just telling you straight. Many of your healers are not healed,
you understand, or not even going through the process of healing.
Many of your teachers, same thing. So we have a

(02:24:13):
lot of people that's not that's in the forefront out here,
that's not dealing with their trauma and their fears and
all these other things. And I want people to understand something.

Speaker 15 (02:24:26):
The issue.

Speaker 4 (02:24:26):
The issue is not trauma or fear. The issue is
that we're not dealing with it. That's the issue. Fear
is not the issue. If you deal with your fears,
then what needs to come out of that will. If
you deal with your trauma, what needs to come out
of that will. The problem is we're not dealing with it. Okay, Carl,

(02:24:47):
let's let's go.

Speaker 1 (02:24:48):
To call us before the cause. It got a call
from our truck drivers. You know a family, you know,
a shout out of a truck drivers. There's a bunch
of truck drives out in the Middle West and listened
to us. They used to listen to the Cerrus XM.
When Joe Madison said so after his demise, they started
listening to us. There's a whole bunch of them. Then
they listened all the time. But anyway, one called in.

(02:25:09):
The student called Kevin. She's delivering cars in Chicago, it says,
and brother snik. He says after about the negative people
on the job, how do you deal with negative people
on the job?

Speaker 4 (02:25:20):
Okay, Being that you're in a situation and you're dealing
with this constantly, now let me say this too. First
of all, you have choices. People have options. I always
have to say this because people act as if they
have to stay on a particular job. Right, there's options,

(02:25:42):
there's other situations that could exist. We choose to stay
in the same situation, right. But again, this is about
being solution oriented. A solution oriented person will not stay
in a negative quote unquote environment. They're going to figure
out out how to get out of that environment. But okay,

(02:26:03):
so you're in that environment in real time, right, how
do you deal with negative people at your job? The
way you deal with negative people is not dealing with
negative people. You deal with yourself. You deal with how
you respond to negative people. That's what you have to
deal with, all right. I have exercises for that and

(02:26:24):
things of that nature, But you have to actually go
through the exercise with me or the tool to understand
actually what it is and what it does. But I
do have exercises to assist people to be able to
deal with people in those particular situations. Again, it's about
your mindset, not theirs. You can't change people. You can

(02:26:46):
only change yourself. You can't change how people respond or
how people act, but you can change how you respond, react,
or whatever the situation is. So you have to master
your own thoughts, in your own emotions. That's how this works.
It's not about the other person or other people, all right. Now,

(02:27:07):
a person who masters himself herself their thoughts, their emotions,
or their hormones hormonal intelligence over emotional intelligence, right, then
that person first and foremost will outcreate that situation, meaning
they will create and manifest something that's going to get
them out of that situation that continues to be pathologically

(02:27:31):
disagreeable or so called negative. That's the solution, all right,
you get out of that situation. However, you can get
out of that situation, and I mean that may take time,
of course, but why would you want to stay in
an environment just disagreeable or negative? See, So the question
comes to the person that has to deal with it
all right. So again, that's what it means to be

(02:27:53):
a so called god or god, that's whatever terms people
use for themselves. Then that's what it takes you outcreate
the situation. You don't become a slave to it.

Speaker 1 (02:28:04):
Got it?

Speaker 5 (02:28:05):
You?

Speaker 1 (02:28:05):
Letting after the top of let's go. A bunch of
folks want to talk to you from across the country.
Let's let's stop for us in Waldorf, Maryland. The brother
Callie is there online one Brother College. A question for
brother Sadiki.

Speaker 18 (02:28:17):
Yeah, thank you, my dear brothers and grand rising brother Sadiki.
Based on what you have seen, what you said, you know,
we we African Americans have I've read in the Belly
of the Beast, and really we should we should be
in insane in the insane asylum. You know, that's just
a general comment. But I wanted to ask you to

(02:28:39):
relate if you could. Sigmund Freud put out a theory
about the ego, I mean, the end the ego and
the super ego uh and and his studies and can
you relate to what you're saying to that or give
us a deeper insight into that? Do you think that's
relevant today?

Speaker 4 (02:29:01):
My dear brother, Yeah, I can. I do my best
to stay away from Western psychologists or science and how
they view the mind or psychology and things of that nature.
So let's look at the ego. The way I deal

(02:29:25):
with the ego is this, it is part of us
for a reason, right, So the ego is our lower self.

Speaker 10 (02:29:32):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:29:33):
We want to operate in the higher self as much
as possible, but the ego being the lower self at
times is very necessary, even from a standpoint of protection.
It's your ego that's going to protect you, right, But
we want to hire self to be in control, so
to speak, of the ego, so the ego doesn't run rapid.

(02:29:55):
So that's the way I kind of look at that.
I'm from a standpoint of dealing with the ego. As
long as the ego so to speak, is not in
full control, then the ego can be dealt with. And
I think that's something we need to understand. Like, for example,
when you deal with European psychology so to speak, or

(02:30:15):
Western psychology, they tend to think that when you deal
with this notion of humility or being humble and arrogance
and things of that nature, and how they tie arrogance
to ego, so they use particular terms, so people don't

(02:30:36):
really understand what these aspects of our body mean. So
instead of confidence or passion, it becomes arrogance. Right, So
that's something that they don't want us to have, you understand,
Yet they operate as much as they can in the
things that they don't desire for us to have. So
that's what it is. I think that we need to
understand from a standpoint of the ego, and you know

(02:30:59):
how the ego operates. It's kind of like when I
hear our people talk about the forty eight Laws of Power,
Robert Green and his books that's related to the forty
eight Laws of power. But we have a book in
our work library of consciousness, so to speak, that goes

(02:31:22):
back to ancient KMMCK or what some people call Egypt
that relates to how we should deal with people from
a standpoint of leadership and power, and how we should
deal with morals and values and ethics, as opposed to
when you deal with something like the forty eight Laws

(02:31:42):
of power, how it deals with manipulation and you know
those types of things, right, So there's a difference in
how we're looking at something from a spiritual perspective versus
how we're looking at something from a primarily a three
D since material perspective, so to speak. So the Book

(02:32:06):
of Peta Hotel, I think we need to be, you know,
from a standpoint of psychology more tapped into on the moral, ethical,
spiritual side of it, and how that relates to leadership,
how that relates to power, how that relates to those
type of things. And I'm showing people the difference so
we can understand because I hear I often hear our
people talk about the forty eight laws of power, which

(02:32:27):
lets me know that primarily you just want to operate
in a Western European uh thought process or ideology versus
an ideology that's more healthy and more beneficial to our being.
Hope that answer, And.

Speaker 1 (02:32:44):
They still and they stole there from us as well.
This is the other part that you should be you know,
from from my eyes, that's all the you know, the
Sigmund Freud. They stole all of that from our people,
from our ancestors, absolutely right, and every writer as if
they're own. But that's right. But sometimes you gotta have family, right,
We got to dig a little deeper, you know, And

(02:33:06):
then they take the credit like they invented it, they
came up with it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:33:11):
Yeah, So what I'm saying ego is ego is a
problem when when you don't understand ego and understand it
controls you, that's when ego becomes a problem. All right,
But you have a higher self and a lower self.
You have a lower self for a reason, but it's
your higher self that you want running the show in

(02:33:33):
Layman's terms, that's how that works.

Speaker 1 (02:33:36):
All right. Hold that though right there, we gotta step
aside for a few moments. We'll come back. Family, you
want to join this conversation and get in on this discussion.
You got a question. I hope you really get deep
now because this is one of these programs that you
have to think. Now, one of these things is just
you know, superficient kind of thing you over talk, yes,
A and B and no. This is real deep. I
hope you're enjoying it. Sixteen after the top of the hour,

(02:33:57):
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(02:34:18):
gens in Pikesville, Maryland is online too, Grand Rising GUNI
you're on with brother Sadiki.

Speaker 19 (02:34:24):
Gentlemen, Brother Sidiki, you you mentioned spiritualism and my call
is centered around My question is center around religion, specifically
being from Maryland. The Calvitz and their idea of religious
freedom originated in Maryland.

Speaker 4 (02:34:44):
But it is.

Speaker 19 (02:34:46):
Limited in a sense that it literally only applies.

Speaker 4 (02:34:50):
To those who believe in the.

Speaker 1 (02:34:54):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (02:34:54):
The Father? The Father, the Holy Ghost? What's the trinity?

Speaker 1 (02:35:01):
The Sun?

Speaker 4 (02:35:03):
What's the trinity? I apologize.

Speaker 19 (02:35:06):
And said Father, I said, so it's based on a trinity.
And we know for a fact that if it's based
on a trinity, it's leaving out other spiritual beliefs, systems.

Speaker 4 (02:35:21):
And so so that you know, this is where we are,
and I think that this.

Speaker 19 (02:35:24):
Is the you know, the agenda, the hidden agenda, and
the control mechanism that's in place so that we can't
be you know, what you are explaining in references, you know,
being in peace.

Speaker 4 (02:35:38):
So I just wanted to say that.

Speaker 19 (02:35:39):
To people because a lot of times we're playing a
game and we don't know the rules, and I just
want to make sure that we understand that that rule
is in play, and this is what we're trying to overcome.

Speaker 1 (02:35:51):
Okay, just give me a chance to respond. Thanks Gene.

Speaker 4 (02:35:55):
Excellent, Okay, excellent. I appreciate the comment. So let's talk
about spiritual technology. All right. So when we talk about religion,
which I'm not going to talk about, that's something that's external,
that's something that someone gave you. Now let's talk about
spiritual technology. Spiritual technology is part of your motherboard of technology,

(02:36:17):
the supercomputer, the genome of who and what you are,
all right, That spiritual technology. Religion has nothing to do
with your imagination. It has nothing to do with intuition,
It has nothing to do with the central nervous system
and all the things that we've been talking about, your
neurological self neurons, things of that nature. All right, this

(02:36:38):
is something that you are born with, all right, That
you are born with. This is algorithmic, This is not
a belief system. This is science. This is proven. You understand.
You don't have to believe in your central nervous system.
You don't have to have faith in your central nervous system.

(02:37:00):
Have to deal with hope in your central nervous system
or your your imagination or your intuition. All right, this
is a power, This is a force. This is the
source of who in what you are, and it's connected
to the source of beingingness, to the source of the all,
to the source of nature, to the source of the universe.
This is what you are connected to and tapped into.

(02:37:22):
This is who in what you are. If there was
never a book, you would still be this. You overstand.
This is why I'm dealing with what I'm dealing with,
because it is trauma and it is fear that's corrupted.
This mother board of technology, this mother board of consciousness
that exists within you. And I'm using this term loosely,

(02:37:46):
but everyone will have an idea of what I'm talking about.
This is the quote unquote God that exists within you.
This is that consciousness, that awareness, that technology, that the
algorithmic blueprint. That's what you are. So that's why we're
dealing with trauma, and I write these books on trauma

(02:38:06):
and fear then all the things that we have to
deal with so that we can tap back into that self,
so we can tap back into these so called messiahs
and prophets. So whomever that exists within you, you don't
have to look outside yourself. You are that that exists

(02:38:28):
within you when you're operating in that essence. But it's
the fear, it's the trauma, it's the programming, it's the
psychological operations, it's all of those different things that we're
dealing with on a daily basis that's deterring people from
being able to tap into this essence or this greatness

(02:38:50):
that exists within us, all right, The fear programming, the
mind control, the mind manipulation, that's subliminal messaging, the thought reform,
the brainwashing, the controlled opposition, the information overload, the cohersion,
the emotional programming, the predictive programming, the behavioral modification, thought engineering,
the art of distraction, double speak, Stockholm syndrome, controlled opposition, charismatics, manipulation,

(02:39:13):
cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias, emotional hijacking, victim consciousness, false narratives,
all these different things that feeds itself and plays itself
out in all these different areas of human experience or
so called people activity, all right, and religion is one

(02:39:33):
of those aspects, just so we clear, So focus on
spiritual technology. That's where your greatness is, that's where your
divinity is, that's where your healing is. You have to
go inside to even begin to understand what's going on
outside of you. So I don't have to speak against anything.

(02:39:53):
Just go inside yourself. You go inside yourself. That's where
your answers are. You don't need to ask chat GPT.
Chat GPT is a program. All you have to do
is go within yourself to find the answer. Once a
person says to me, I ask chat GPT, the conversation ends.
If you didn't ask yourself, we don't need to have
a conversation. This is a spiritual awakening that we're talking about.

(02:40:19):
This is a spiritual technology that we're talking about. That's
the future, is our spiritual awakening and tapping into that technology.
The other technology is so that you don't tap into yourself,
so you become more of a slave to the technology.
So you become more of a slave to all of

(02:40:39):
this third dimensional low vibration, low frequency consciousness, politics, and
all these other things that's low vibration and low frequency
as opposed to us being in a high frequency and
creating and manifesting. You wouldn't have to complain about anything
that anyone else or the government is doing if you
were doing what you're supposed to be doing. How about that?

(02:41:04):
That cal all right?

Speaker 1 (02:41:06):
Twenty eight after the top of that, let's go to Baltimore.
Sister Sheena's on line five, Grand Rising Sister Shina, your
question for a brother Sadiki.

Speaker 14 (02:41:14):
Grand Rising brother calling your team and Brother Isa Kei King,
I tell you you just brought you usher to be
into the presence of my spirit this morning, because that's
what I told so many people doing the Maryland most
of initiative. This is bigger than Maryland. This is a
spiritual fight. And that's why brother Paul, we love you
so much in your team because your show it doesn't

(02:41:38):
allow us to complain. It allows us to explain and
see what it is that we can do to intercept
these demonic forces that is trying to destroy our people.

Speaker 4 (02:41:51):
And so I love you both, and you know you.

Speaker 14 (02:41:53):
Kind of when you brought that to that, Brother just
now and it just took me right to the spirit realm,
because that's what I tell people as we was building
this initiative to intercept what's happening to not only just
knowing about our community. When you look at the propaganda
that's put out on the Baltimore Collegiate School for Boys
who let brothers over there doing beautiful things for our community. See,

(02:42:14):
we must understand. Our assignment is to come in and
as you say, brothers and teaching, build ourselves up, walk
in truth, and that way we can accept all the propaganda.
And so I just called to thank you because this
is what it's going to take, because we are more
powerful than what these Stevens are.

Speaker 13 (02:42:36):
But we must build ourselves up.

Speaker 14 (02:42:38):
We must believe that we have what it takes to
change ourselves, our communities and our schools.

Speaker 4 (02:42:47):
And all of that.

Speaker 14 (02:42:48):
So I love you girls. I just thank you, And
that's all I wanted to call in and say, you know,
because I just know that we're going to be victorious
because and I do people come and they say negative things.
I said, hold on, I don't believe that, And so
that's how we must flow. We must intercept it immediately.
We're listening, but because we don't want our people to

(02:43:09):
feel like we're not there for us. Like even when
we went to the score out of the shed, the
children were being attacked. The parents didn't know what to do,
but we we came in with a force and let
them know we're with you. We're not going to deal
with the OPI joke and the complaining like you say,
but we're coming with solutions, and we're coming knowing that
we're walking in victoriously. We're benifesting interception of this. This will,

(02:43:31):
this will remain for us because it is a positive force.

Speaker 18 (02:43:35):
So love you.

Speaker 14 (02:43:36):
I'm not gonna take a lot of time because you
know all your little deep sometimes you but thank you
for letting me free my mind, for I'm gonna be
flying on on. Bring your mind Friday.

Speaker 11 (02:43:44):
If I get a chance, I'll falling alright.

Speaker 1 (02:43:55):
You want to respond to anything she said?

Speaker 20 (02:43:57):
I love.

Speaker 4 (02:43:57):
I love what she said. I love what she said,
I love the energy, I love the spirit. The healing
is necessary. We're in a precarious position. War has been
declared on us, yet we're not healed. Right, So this
is a reason the fear is in to a degree,
such a position of power. This is why people. So
first of all, complaining, Let's be clear. A complaint means

(02:44:20):
that it's understood that something is wrong. Okay, so there's
nothing wrong with that. Now we just have to get
more of to a point of the due part. We understand.
This is a complaining, this is what's wrong. Now it's
time to get to the due part. But first and
foremost it has to happen with us individually and working

(02:44:42):
with ourselves first so we won't have those fears so
we can come together and do particular things. And this
is the external work. But most importantly, the internal work
has to take place so it can be mirrored externally.
It is a process to this. It is a process.
So we do have to continue to heal. We do
have to deal with those traumas, we do have to

(02:45:03):
deal with those fears, We have to deal with all
the things that come with that self sabotage. That's a major,
major thing when we begin to start coming together doing things,
is the self sabotage part, because the subconscious mind is
not being dealt with all right, because the cognitive dissonance
is not being dealt with, the Stockholm syndrome is not

(02:45:24):
being dealt with defying all things that are white, the system,
white people, with religion, whatever it is, but defying all
of those different things. So we just have to understand
that these things are processed and really be focused on
being better as individuals, being better as a group, being

(02:45:45):
better as a family, being better as a community, being
better as a people, and just keep working towards that,
and keep working towards that, and keep working towards that,
and keep working towards that.

Speaker 1 (02:45:56):
Gotcha twenty eight away from the top of how to
speak to brother Sadeki Bacari, Carls are calling us from
UH West Palm Beach in Florida. Is our line for
Grand Rising Carl A question for brother Sadiki Grand.

Speaker 21 (02:46:07):
Rising family, Brother Tediki, I want to see if you
will agree with me. Many times we don't identify what
it is that we're actually attacking. We are attacking the
educational system that has been fostered by the Western ideology
right and many times we don't understand the need for
us to invest in the UH, the team UH that

(02:46:30):
you will own that are are guided to bring us
into a new development, And we don't understand the need
for us to invest in that kind of reality. We
spend our money right now on riots, living and and
we don't understand that. And my my thought process was
that we need to understand that we are attacking the

(02:46:53):
educational system of the Western hemisphere and we have actual
facts and documentation as we build the team, because the
team that I built from from my perspective, because everybody
gonna be watching football right now, I got you as
a uh, I got you down as an offensive guard.
You and Michael m.

Speaker 4 (02:47:13):
Hotel.

Speaker 21 (02:47:14):
As we build an educational educational system that we can
identify our real problems and address them in truth. And
many times I don't think we understand that. And I
also understand that if we don't practice it, we can't
never come into the understanding of it, the theology of it.

(02:47:36):
We get that in the educational process, but after we
get that knowledge, we got to come out in practice,
and we are not practicing. And I at some juncture
in my development, I would like to meet with you
personally so that we could advance, because I'm dealing with
the state state of Florida and its laws as it

(02:47:57):
relates to the African and African American curriculum here in
the state of Florida, and we need your kind of
uh insert in certain into the conversation of what's going
on in the state of Florida. And I wanted to
do it publicly, and I always thank Carl Nelson for
providing such a vehicle that we could have that kind

(02:48:17):
of representation. But I think it's very very important that
we identify that we are attacking the educational system of
the world and and how we come now in the rebirth.
Thank you man. I apologize if I said too much.
Thank you man.

Speaker 1 (02:48:35):
Okay, right, thanks Carl brother City.

Speaker 4 (02:48:40):
Well, that is definitely a tentacle. I agree with what
he's saying. That's that's definitely a tentacle of what we
should be doing. And we've created the earliest educational systems.
It's a shatter system, right, So we know the importance
of educational systems. But the issue is when the educational

(02:49:02):
system is a system that is ran by your enemy,
that system will not be created for you to flourish
in that system unless it's going to be used to
benefits that system. Okay, so what does that mean? Imagine
having an educational system and it is predicated off the

(02:49:22):
foundation of the cod in the by the spirit and
the soul, which is something that we've already done, as
well as the mind. Right, this is something we've already done.
So again, it's about going back to who we truly are.
And this is why I mentioned spiritual technology. All of
these things are offshoots of spiritual technology.

Speaker 5 (02:49:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:49:45):
So these are the things we have to get back into.
I understand the conversation about the educational system, right, However,
that's not our system. Where's our systems? And we do
have educational systems that our people don't support like they
do the Western educational system and then complain about the

(02:50:10):
educational system. Okay, So again these are things that we
have to look at. Why aren't our freedom schools supported
right as as the Western educational system is. And we
understand this programming, We get it, Stockholm syndrome, the verification
of white education, and intellectualism and all of those different things.

(02:50:30):
I mean, we understand it. However, we're just going to
have to get to that place of educating out being
able to educate our own children. Right now. That gets
into parenting, which is another whole, another rabbit hole, but
that's what we have to do, all right. Ultimately, that's

(02:50:50):
where we have to get to whatever that means. If
that means we have to have our own you know,
our own areas where we exist, then that's what it
would have to be, whatever it needs to be. But
we need to not be in their schools. That's the
end game is. We need to not be in their schools.

(02:51:12):
We need to not be in their religions, we need
to not be in their political structures. You understand what
I'm saying. Ultimately, that's what needs to happen. If people
are really talking about freedom, now that's not what you're
talking about. I understand that's not what you're talking about.
That's fine, but be clear if you are talking about freedom,
because you're not going to have it in their systems,

(02:51:34):
let's be cleard to keep you oppressed.

Speaker 1 (02:51:38):
All right, hold on thoughtry there, brother Sidiki, twenty two
minutes away from the top. They have family. I hope
you enjoy this conversation. Brother Sidiki. You could join us
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, and we'll take all your calls next and
Grant Rising family thanks for a sting with us on
this Wednesday morning. It's seventeen minutes away from the top there.
Before we go back to brother Sidikiva, I got to
note here the Reverend Jesse Jackson has been distroyed from

(02:52:00):
the hospital. You know, many people wrote in my off
last last last week. But now he's back home and
he still recuper anybody's back home. He's out of the hospital.
All right, Brother Sidiki is guess brother, you got some
more folks want to talk to you, So let's get
as many people as possible.

Speaker 4 (02:52:15):
Before we get to the next one. Carl, let me
do this before we get to the next one. I
know people want to If you want to order this book, Traum,
my mother Board of Technology in the Mirror of Unhealed
Memory and Metadata, just email me Sadiq Bakari at hotmail
dot com essay d I k I b A K
A r I SADQ Bakari at hotmail dot com. I'm

(02:52:37):
also on Facebook and Instagram Sidiqi Bakari, So email me
for that you can get this book. If you want
to do the one on ones with me as well,
do it. I appreciate your listeners, Carl h. Many of
them are ordering the books, many of them are doing
the one on ones. All of that so I'm just
totally appreciative and I wanted to say that to the listeners.

Speaker 1 (02:52:57):
All right, and we'll give all that information before you leave.
But let's go to Charles online. One car from Washington, DC,
Grand Rising, Charles A question for brother Sidiki.

Speaker 22 (02:53:07):
Hello to everybody out there radio Land.

Speaker 4 (02:53:10):
Thank you brother Paul dropping that knowledge on this.

Speaker 20 (02:53:12):
I really appreciate that a spiritual technology is very important.
And I know we on radio, but one of the
parts about spiritual technology is being able to be quiet
and finding that place inside of yourself. And it's a
little contrary to the loudness that we hear on the outside.

Speaker 22 (02:53:33):
And one thing I like to do is get a
little separation from my mind, my emotions, and even my
body and understand there's a spirit inside of me that
sees all of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:53:47):
The spirit inside of me.

Speaker 22 (02:53:48):
Not that I slept good last night, a note that
I had a dream last night, a note that I
didn't sleep good.

Speaker 20 (02:53:56):
But what I work on is liberation, liberation for my emotions,
liberation from my thoughts, and that liberations give me a
little bit of separation from me and me because some
people say, well, you conceded because you want to love yourself,
what part of you love?

Speaker 22 (02:54:12):
You love the eco, you love your spirit.

Speaker 4 (02:54:17):
Excellent.

Speaker 22 (02:54:19):
Thanks Les, appreciate, Thank you brother, thank you. Yeah, that's okay,
you will excellent, excellent.

Speaker 4 (02:54:26):
Is nothing for me to say, that's excellent, excellent.

Speaker 1 (02:54:30):
I agree and thanks Charles. Yeah, you said sometimes you
got to sit in silence and talk to you and
you're not crazy. Just don't answer. Fourteen Away from the top,
seize the calling from Atlanta Online to Grand Rising see
your only brother Sadeka Bakari, rise and.

Speaker 4 (02:54:47):
Call and brother Sadiki. I wanted to write very I
wanted to speak very briefly to.

Speaker 15 (02:54:53):
The Holy Trinity, the three part spiritual aspects of the universe,
will Creator, Godhead or divine source. That concept came up
out of ancient Chemic Aarsart and Herou represented Godhead, and
they were changed later by Europeans the Greeks to those

(02:55:15):
names became Osiris, Isis and holl And. Then later Christianity
converted that concept in the Bible to the Father, the
Holy Spirit, and the Son. Originally, Aarsar represented the divine masculine,

(02:55:35):
Offset represented the divine feminine. Herou was the son of
Arsar and Offset, but he represented creation, which is all
of us. So conceptually and universally, also scientifically, the masculine
is the positive charge. The feminine is the negative charge

(02:55:55):
in an atom before creation, no matter how as above
so below. So if you go all the way down
to the smallest representation of life in the atom, or
even below that, you will see masculine and feminine energy.
This is very important to understand because that concept came

(02:56:16):
from us. It was manipulated in Christianity, and the manipulation
changed the design feminine to a male. The Holy Spirit
became a male. But you have Father male, Holy Spirit male,
and Sun male. Now I don't need to explain to
anyone what's wrong with that concept, So understand it as

(02:56:40):
being manipulated. And I wanted to just share that. And
then also there's a technique for mastering trauma. Trauma can
be transformed quickly by a spiritual choice. Choice is more
than just an option, It is a power.

Speaker 13 (02:56:58):
We must step in our spiritual power of choice as
a people. So when we choose to think positive thoughts,
when we choose to say positive things, when we put
the word I am in front of anything, it never
returns void because it is the name of God, so
it becomes important for us to speak I AM positive

(02:57:20):
thoughts to ourselves. And then one other technique is to
have a person fit in a chair with someone on
the left and the right whispering in their ear nothing
but positive things about them to that person for the
least thirty seconds, and then allow that person to meditate
on that and then speak on how they now feel.

(02:57:43):
It will instantly transform their negativity into positivity if they
have heard positive things about themselves. So I just wanted
to share those points. I think you are absolutely on point,
and let's go do the work.

Speaker 4 (02:57:59):
Actually excellent, excellent. Yeah, all of that that he's talking about,
especially the tools, the exercises, the choices, all of that
that's part of empowered technology. That's a mastery system that
that's the consulting part of what I do. So all
of that is part of empowered technology. So yes, I

(02:58:21):
appreciate you, brother, thank you for those words. And that's
one more.

Speaker 1 (02:58:27):
Tweet for you, brother Sadiki ten away from the topic,
and tweeter says, when I started listening more than talking,
I realized that much of my friends and family were
so negative and I had to distance myself since I
did that, I am so much happier. But guess what, Yeah,
they are mad because they can't draw me into this
hateful web. Your response to that.

Speaker 4 (02:58:47):
Tweet, well, yes, absolutely. Most people don't know how to listen,
you see what I mean. They're listening to talk or
speak instead of listening to learn and understand. So yes,
Master Naker a listener.

Speaker 1 (02:59:08):
Yeah, I got another tweet for your brother sink. So
the grand rising brother Sidiki? Are AI and social media
algorithms playing on our trauma to keep us distracted? If so,
what are some of the ways we can overcome that
and transform that influence?

Speaker 4 (02:59:23):
Resounding yes? And the easiest way is get off of
social media. I mean that's the easiest thing to do. Now.
If you have to be on there, beyond there for
a reason, what's your reason to be on social media?
I'm on social media from a standpoint of marketing. That's
why I'm on social media. You know, I'm not on
there to be part of all the other mess so

(02:59:45):
to speak. So you know, have a plan. Why are
you on social media? The algorithm is the algorithm, all right.
People think that they can control the algorithm, but in essence,
you can't control the algorithm. It's not your system, all right,
so may be able to do some things to manipulate it,
but overall, the algorithm is an algorithm that's not created

(03:00:08):
by you. It's created by that system. They want you
to think that you create the algorithm, so to speak. Online,
that's really not how it works. As we talked about,
half of what people think are people online on social
media are actually bots. They're not people, right, So that's

(03:00:29):
the problem in itself, and that's the reason that those
bots are on social media. As far as the negativity
and tapping into the trauma and all of those different
things to create narratives and all of that, that's what
it's for, all right. So but we'll get into all
of that next time. I'm on.

Speaker 1 (03:00:45):
Yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned that because a little
reporter came out there a few days ago that many
of the people and this is political, so I'm not
saying it's which is right or which is wrong, but
many of the people are coming out attacking the Democrats.
Will actually bought other working overseas, and they they honed
in on the black community. If they think of the

(03:01:06):
figure out using an algorithm, they can tell you're black,
they target our people. So I just want to share
that it works both ways.

Speaker 4 (03:01:13):
Absolutely. That's the reason sixteen years ago I started talking
about the new racism and discrimination would be binary codes
and algorithms. People said I was crazy. Now people are
getting awards for research that I did sixteen years ago
because now people are talking about that and having that conversation.

Speaker 1 (03:01:33):
And you also said it was they used the music
as well as a tool.

Speaker 4 (03:01:37):
Absolutely, it's all a tool. All of the different areas
of human activity that that nearly Fuller Francis Chres Wilson
so so greatly gave us. The research on all of
that is going to be is being and will ultimately

(03:01:57):
be technology oriented all of it. So it'll be working
through technology, all right, So you'll see the so called
racism and discrimination, well you won't see it because it'll
be done and it's being done through algorithms. That's the future, Seep. Anyway,
we'll deal with all that next show, Carl.

Speaker 1 (03:02:19):
Yeah, but we've got to reminder of family that, you know,
stop putting your information on the internet. They can't work
with that. Your internet. You know, what you have for
dinner will kind of shoes you where you're good and
where you're on vacation. Explain that for real quick before
we go.

Speaker 4 (03:02:36):
Well, that's ultimately that ends up being surveillance and counterintelligence.
You're just giving them the information. You're giving them the knowledge,
You're giving them your dots, so to speak. You're making
their job easy. So ultimately, though, what people need to
understand moving forward with technology, people talk about all these
things are going to happen, and you know, digital ID
and all these different things. Well, it's only going to

(03:02:58):
happen if you allow it to happen. You have to
sign up for it, so to speak. But see again,
now we start talking about are people willing to not
be comfortable in certain ways? Are people willing to not
make certain decisions? Because COVID told us and taught us
a lot about people. A lot of these people who

(03:03:20):
claim to be activists and revolutionaries and organizers and healers,
we're pushing the very thing and purpose of that thing
was genocide. That's the truth. So it's up to the people.
What will happen ultimately with AI or technology in general

(03:03:44):
in the future. It's up to the people. What will
the people decide?

Speaker 1 (03:03:50):
Right, and back to COVID thing, some of those folks
took the shot and telling you not to take the shot.
Or if COVID is one of those, you know he
took the shot, but it was campaign and tell pill
not to take a shot. So you've got to be
careful family, you know when people come to you with
these kind of stories. But brother Sadiki, how can folks
read you?

Speaker 4 (03:04:09):
Email me Sadiq Bakari at hotmail dot com. Essay d
I K I b A K A r I Sadiq
Bakari at hotmail dot com. So you're emailing me for
the book, all right? The book on trauma you're emailing
me if you want to do one on ones with me,
is in regards to consultations and advising in things of

(03:04:30):
that nature, to deal with trauma, to deal with fear,
to deprogram, reprogram the subconscious mind, essential nervous system, to
deal with self sabotage, all of those different things. All right,
that's why you're chintacting me. The book you can only
get from me. It's not on Amazon. I'm not paying Amazon.
I'm not doing any of that. You get it directly
from me. You get it signed, all of that. Email me.

(03:04:53):
Appreciate your carl. You're a phenomenal brother, appreciate your listeners.
Let's continue to move forward, all right, Thank you brother Sudiki.

Speaker 1 (03:05:01):
Thanks all the information you left us this morning. Family,
that's it for the day. Classes closed, dismissed, but we're
going to be here tomorrow, so stay strong, stay positive,
please please stay healthy. We'll see tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and then
the DMV. We're on fourteen fifty WOL

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