Tony Browder on 50-Year Journey, Dr. Rosie Milligan, & Dyrell Muhammad on Crime in DC

Kemetologist Tony Browder returns to our classroom on Thursday morning. Brother Tony will preview his latest book, A Browder Perspective: My 50-Year Journey to Enlightenment. Before Brother Tony, Dr. Rosie Milligan will join us. DC activist Dyrell Muhammad will also update us on his continued campaign against crime in the District.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for making us part
of an integral part of should say of your morning ritual. Later,
chematologist Tony Browner will return to our classroom. Brother Tony
will preview his new book, Suppose by the Way's title
A Brouder Perspective, My fifty year Journey to Enlightenment. Before
Brother Tony, doctor Rossi Mulligan from LA will join us,
and momentarily DC activistient Darryl Muhammad will check in. But

(00:23):
first let's get to Kevin opening the classroom doors on
this Thursday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin Grand.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's a great Thursday, the eighteenth of December. It's a
little bit warmer than it's been. So with celebrating that.
Somebody asked me earlier this morning, is it cold enough?
All I could do was laugh. I mean, look, it
was seventeen degrees a couple of days ago.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So yeah, let me make.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
You though, if it's seventeen, can you tell the difference
if it drops to fifteen or if it goes to nineteen?
Can you can you physically feel a difference?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
These are rhetorical questions.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Gone, no, no, sious, everybody, man, man, you can tell
the difference between twenty one and twenty man when you're
standing waiting for the bus. Yeah, you can tell the
difference between seventeen and eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
You know, and when it's everybody's tolerance level. Yeah, everybody's
talent level is different, Kevin, That's what I asked that question.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I think it's also the art of layering.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know, it's all in how you layer to see,
because in the twenties you don't need as much layering
as you do in the teens. But then when the
temperature rises by the mid day, you see, then all
of a sudden you got to take something off, you know,
and carry it around. So that's the ear witness weather

(01:51):
report right there.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
All right, Yeah, but how you feeling cap.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I'm still learning, Kevin. I'm still learning and I'm going
to learn a lot this one with brother Tony Browner,
also Dr Rosie and Darryl Muhammad when they join us later. Yeah,
what's going on in the news.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, well, I'm glad you asked that question. I came
prepared to answer it. Last night. I'm watching the holiday
TV programming. You know, there's a concert, there's a cartoon
on all kinds of stuff. And then, uh, we'll pause
this program for this update from President Donald J.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Trump. So the screen open, let me set the setting.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
The screen opens, and there he is wrapped in the
a couple of Christmas trees, the green garland behind him,
and you know, in his classic red tie, and he
looked like a Christmas postcard almost.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
For a second.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
And then he began to speak, carl and President Trump spoke,
according to CNN's spoke at a faster pace and spoke
it seems like, you know, he had a lot on
his mind, like he was angry and yelling at Americans.
Yet at the same time he's trying to assure Americans

(03:12):
that the economy was good. He says, in the eleven
years that I mean the eleven months, rather in the
eleven months that he's been in the White House, the
things have changed. The borders have been closed, and no
immigrants have come across the border, zero coming across the border.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Since he closed it.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
And of course you may know that he eventually got
around to blaming Joe Biden, blaming the Democrats, blaming you know,
it was a big blame game. But at the first
the whole speech only lasted about twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
And so at first he kept speaking of.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Prices are going down, and you know, the gas is
less than two fifty. I don't know where that is,
but he said, gases less than to fifty. Grocery prices
is down. He brought up he made a reference to
an interesting thing, you know, the two hundred and fiftieth
anniversary for America and the declaration of independence, and he says,

(04:19):
in honor of that, he wants to give seventeen hundred
and seventy six dollars in dividends to all of the
military personnel, you know, and he was talking about, you know,
millions of military personnel. And to me that even if
that was possible, isn't that two billion dollars he's talking about,

(04:41):
you know, giving out as a dividend.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, first of all, I didn't watch it because I
thought he was going to speak longer. But it seems
like what she's saying, he's stuck to the script, because
usually gets in trouble when he goes off script. That's
the first thing.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Oh yeah, right, he was locked in to the teleprom
They probab.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
He told him, you know, stay on the tail promise,
don't veer away because then he says what he really means,
and it sounded like he was very angry as far
as the money to the serviceman concerned. He can't do
as we all know, if we can recall from Civics class,
the Congress writes to check. So he can't do that. Well,
we never know with Donald Trump. So you know, let's
let's put that right there. But I think what he's

(05:22):
seeing he is trying to shure up his base and
he's losing even in his hardcore base in the military
is one of his hardcore bases, and he's losing right there.
So he's issuing them a carrot, if you will, is
to keep their support, you know. And he usually he
talks about writing checks. Where all this money made, all
these trillions of dollars, all this from these tariffs. Where

(05:43):
did that money go? You know? One time, you remember
he was promising all of us we're going to get
an IRS refund like we you know, like he stuck
his name on the last time he gave up money.
But right now there's no talk about that. So where's
all this money going? That's my question.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
It's hard to say. And yet talking about being on teleprompter.
You could tell when he went off because as he
was talking on teleprompt he was holding for dear life
to the podium, it seemed. And yet when he went off,
that's when he would do his his signature hands motions,
you know, the type of thing, and you know, and

(06:21):
he would say, he was talking about my favorite word, tariffs.
Tariff is my favorite word. And he started explaining how
the tariffs have helped bring more money into America and
bring more companies back because they know that if they
have to pay with tariffs, then they're going to be

(06:43):
Then it'd be better to bring the company back to America.
And he's saying he credited himself with having done that.
Only he could have done that. And but he said
during the Democrat administration, he said, they came up with
the word affordability and he's calling it the unaffordable healthcare back.

(07:09):
He says the economy with unemployment is climbing to four
point six percent, and his approval rating has dipped.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's I'm looking at something on USA today. But most
of his.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Speech seemed like he's giving us reason to be optimistic.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
He said, this is just the first year, and it's
gonna get better.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
And so the other thing that he was concerned about
as he talked about healthcare, the closest to it I
could hear was when he was saying that the insurance
companies are are charging overcharging.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And that they were going to take control of that.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Even as he speaks and like said, he blames rights
for everything else.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Did he come up with a with a with a
I guess a healthcare planman, Kevin, because you know today
I think mostly a longlicker's heading home today for the
holidays and they have to come up with a plan
or the uh it's going to expire, the credits are
going to expire, anabolicare on Friday? Did he or is
he still at the concept level because the last time

(08:18):
we had this conversation, he said the concept level of
a plan. Did he mention anything about that.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Nope, he just pretty much said it's it's soon to come.
And as I said before, his efforts to lower prices
of insurance, you know, uh, he mocked the word affordability
as if you know, the Democrat the Democratic Party were
the ones that took affordability out of out of reach.

(08:47):
And uh, he says, nobody can believe what's going on,
and it's not yet done. And uh, he didn't mention
anything about Venezuela or any of that, but he did
say that he he stopped. He said he stopped eight wars.
He has stopped eight wars and it has brought peace.
And uh, that sounds like him campaigning again for the

(09:10):
Nobel Peace Prize.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
So you said, you say, the whole thing sound like
a campaign speech.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
It did.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
The whole thing sounds like, you know, not only look
out for next year. Next year is going to be better,
and that kind of speech.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
He said.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
He pretty much said, only I can do this, only
you know, only I know.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
You didn't even talk about Congress, you see what.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm saying, or his administration, his administration.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
He made it sound like you know that.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Like I said, he made it sound like it was
a campaign speech, because you know, you as the president,
you've got to represent both sides, even.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
If you don't agree.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
It seems that it's a unified government in some way,
shape or forming. That is, there are democrats, there are
Republicans that are a part of the future of this country.
And if you just stand there and say, uh, it
was all the democrats fault, we know that blaming the

(10:10):
other side doesn't work. It doesn't work from a successful standpoint,
or you know, not just from a presidential standpoint. It
just doesn't seem to to work. And you see what
I'm saying. And so everything from military bonuses to UH
to talking about what he did as far as the

(10:34):
borders go and how safe America is, but he'said open
borders from the Democratic Democratic administrations had put America in trouble.
And I'm trying to gather one more point that he
had said when he was talking. I think I've covered
most of it, and talking about affordability and uh. And

(10:58):
he went through the speech so quickly it was like
somebody was telling them, you've got to do something. You've
got to be somewhere or something.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
You know, Well, let me just add this, Yeah, let
me just have this before we move on. Kevin marrying Adelson.
It's one of the richest women in the country. She's
already dedicated two hundred and fifty million dollars for Trump's
third term in office. So she says, if were you run,
I got two hundred fifty million dollars sitting right here,
and I can get more money for you as well
from my friends. So I'm waiting to hear from a

(11:30):
response from the White House about that. So far nothing,
but she actually told him that. So yeah, that's something
we've got to keep an eye on.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, a couple of last things, as we talk about
the military, the Federal Court says troops can stay in
DC and hints at prolonged deployment, especially after the incident
with the two soldiers from West Virginia. They're more than
two thousand troops here in the DC area and from

(12:04):
at least eleven Republican led states. They brought in more
since the shooting, and it looks like in today's ruling, well,
yesterday's ruling, the Jedgers wrote that DC's unique federal status
allows Presidential Trump to largely control the deployment of troops
in the city. And that was one of the things
he mentioned last night too, that crime is down because

(12:28):
of his forces, he said, and so and so it's
that is one of the things. And finally, the Obamas
were interviewed on Jimmy Kimmel and they said they were
planning on meeting with the Hiners the night that they died,
and they were close friends with Rob and Michelle Reiner

(12:51):
and so Jimmy Kimmel wished them, you know, condolences in
their loss. So we'll leave it at that. But there's
also another person being accused of being involved in that
murder other than a Rob Reiner's son, so we'll keep
watching that.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Thanks. That's the way it is. On the eighteenth of December.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Girl, all right, thanks Karn fourteen. After a tough there,
Salama leggans to my brother Diarrel Muhammad, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Why let's salam, dear brother, how are you this morning?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'm still learning, brother Diarrel, I'm still learning. But you've
been on a crusade to reduce the crime rate in Washington,
d C. And that's an uphill task, I take it.
But you're still there. Can you tell us give us
some backdrop why you started this first, because we always
have new listeners and the first time I'm hearing you,
so give us a little bit quickly. Thumbnail sketches your

(13:46):
background and why you decided that this was your slice
of the pie.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Well, first and foremost four years ago in the street
every day, I've seen that there was a problem with
young people going to school and leaving school. In order
to go to school, they got to get past the
drug dealers and the addicts and those brothers and sisters
that have mental health issues. So I seen that it
was a major problem. So I asked the principles and

(14:12):
all of the high schools in Washington, DC, can we
come in? That was one thing, but are also seeing
the culture of our young people, which is our future
in a dire situation. Meaning when you in the street,
like their brother called, you got an opportunity to talk
to people, you get an opportunity to deceive people. And

(14:33):
me being in the streets six to seven days a week,
I'm saying the young people guiding young people. So I
was sticking it back and flybergasted by the young people
kicking the young people for their leaders. And I decided
to go into high schools and just to try to
say a few words from them to them by letting

(14:55):
them know that there's consequences to your actions. From there,
we stayed in those communities. We went in Blue High
School Southeast right now we're still stuck on mart Luther
King of Malcolm X. We went down Dumbbar, the historical
Dumbar High School, First Street Northwest, were still on First Street,

(15:15):
the seventh Street northwest, we went up H. D. Woodson northeast,
we still over linked Heights Stay Terrace. So we still
stuck in those neighborhoods only because there's a direlicting duty
in terms of us in Washington DC. I don't know
what's really transponing unless I travel sometimes, but there's a

(15:38):
lack of leadership in Washington, d C. In that lack
of leadership. You see it with Marray Bowser, She's getting
out of here. You see it with the police chief
Palmer Smith, she getting out of here. And as I
was listening to brother talking about the interview or what
Donald Trump said last night, our issue was really not them.

(16:00):
Our issues. We have to get our stuff together because
it's going to take us to get us out of
this situation. Man. The beautiful thing about it, when I
say the lack of leadership, you have bubble leaders in
Washington DC, meaning they leaders in their church, they leader

(16:21):
us in their moms, they lead us in their bubbles,
and just like a bubble, those that's.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
In that right there.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, right, Brother Diariel, hold on, We're gonna step aside
a few mints. We come back I'll let you pick
up your thought and tell us again. Family, just waking
up with us. I guess is our brother Diarrel Mohammad.
He's an activist in Washington, DC and he's been fighting
to curb the crime rate in the district. You want
to join this conversation with him, reach out to us
at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy
six and I'll take your phone calls next and grind

(16:51):
rising family in thanks for waking up with us on
this Thursday morning. I guess there's a brother Dyrel Mohammad
from Washington, DC and it's stayed on the task of
trying to do something about crime in the district. So
brother Diariel, I'll mass you finish your thought.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Yes, what I was getting into remember called the Leana
Moore Miners of Louis farre Kahn in two thousand twenty three,
Save his day. The minister address the nation and he
told us that we was at war. And as I continue,
I'm going into the three years after he said that,
I'm looking and I'm saying, Okay, where are we at?

(17:27):
Because at the end of the day, I see that
we're getting distracted from how dude, the responsibility which is
saving our people now. And I left off on leaders
of buildings and bubble leaders. The reason I left off
on bubble leaders and leaders of buildings because they have
made their right there.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
For a second, brother, when you say bubble leaders, who
are what is a bubble leader? How do you find
a bubble leader?

Speaker 5 (17:56):
A leader is a bubble leader is a person in
that church. It won't come out of that church a bubble.
Then they major church a bubble. A bubble leader is
a person that's in the mass, that be a leader
of the mass, but their moss is a bubble. And

(18:16):
I'm glad that you asked me that question because I'm
ready to go into the crooks in the gist of
what the problem it is with us. We had to
do the responsibility to our people, to whom much as giving,
much as required. Caul, I'm in Washington, DC every day.
I was in a major car accident September twenty eighth.

(18:39):
I'm still recovering, but I'm still out there six days
a week. I'm talking about it's so cold out there,
and there's the second in my back and my neck,
but I'm still there. I had a Zoom meeting last
Saturday about this program that's coming up this Saturday. I
never stopped the killing in the heart of Washington, DC.
The major cluds that will be there this Saturday. Simple

(19:06):
city that's been killing for years, Congress Park that been
killing for years. Martin, Luther King, and Malcolm X said
nobody can get a handle of We got the three
leaders that come together that say, come on this, stop
this killing. Because our keeper is being squeezed in Washington, DC.
One point one billion dollars was abstracted up out of

(19:27):
the economy. Now with these people are doing, they making
our leaders in Washington DC, our keeper turn on the leaders.
So if they making our people turn on the leaders
is affecting Medicaid, Medicare and affecting mental health SNAP programs,
and the fever pitch amongst our keepers is at are

(19:48):
all times high. If you are out there in the street,
you see it, you feel it. But every problem has
a solution because this is the product of problems. And
when they're wherever there's a problem, here is the business.
So it couldn't be that Jesus at twelve years are

(20:09):
they aged to say, let me be a by my
father's business. So when I say bubble leaders, say we
leaders in these bubbles, which is the Moss Church and organizations,
and you got thirteen thousand non classic organizations in Washington,
DC and our keeper suffering the way that our keepers suffering.
Because I always mentioned the financial missionaries. I mentioned that

(20:30):
for a reason because now we are hustling the death
of our people. We keep talking about the Lehannasaurs and troubladytes,
so we have become enemies to our own people. Just
when I come on your show, I'm speaking about the reality.
I understand. These people got to do their responsibility. They're

(20:50):
not going to let us go. We sh got to
force our way away from these people, just like Moss
is going to feral negotiating, telling Pharaoh, okay, God told
me let my people go, but give me some of
them grants. That's what the hell is going on. When
I talk about double leaders of the car, they tied
into the government of the United States and adjusted the

(21:13):
topment in Washington, DC. So when you hear me talk,
I'm talking not from passion. I'm talking about the culture
of perception amongst the leadership in Washington, d C. So
it's a reason why the police chief is leaving. She
being pressured to leave is a reason that merrile Bald

(21:34):
that she can run again. She's not trying to deal
with this crazy man. And as the Honorable Minister Lewis
Farr Khm remains silent for a reason. Brother, and this
is why behind guidance to get through this map tall
silence can be a weapon.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
And yeah, let's get to the point, the brother Daryl,
I understand what the other folks are doing. What can
we do? How can we help you? Because they can
do their thing, we can't. We can't, you know, we
can't change their minds and thoughts and in the passion
what they doing and why they doing the things. But
how can we help our people? That's where I'm going
with you. How can we help our people who were
out there doing what they shouldn't be doing and trying

(22:13):
to get them on the straight and now how can
we do that?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (22:17):
I had a ZWN meeting with all the churchy from
Ward seven and Ward eight and it was a sister
reverend missus pat Fears. She had a church on Colorada
Avenue northwest. Me and her have been working for the
last three years that She's amazed. She said, I've never
seen nobody like you as a Musslim that's able to

(22:39):
go in these churches, and you still in this neighborhood.
She met me because I was in her neighborhood late
at night dealing with them killers. One of her church
members told her about me. I met her two years
ago to partner. I do everything that I can possibly
do to help our people. Now, I told her the
same thing. Need resources. Do you have money? If you

(23:02):
have money, our people need housing. See if we need resources,
that's all. You don't want to let go the resources
because we want to live like Cayrol. And this is
why mergencies had to pray to God to take Pharaoh's
richest gun. And we're not talking about leaders, I'm talking
about all of it. This is how we can help
help your people. Now, here's a reverend pastor, brilliant sister

(23:26):
Karen Carrie. They have a church down the street from
Donald Trump for sixteen percent of the avenue. She got
a marvelish church on Pennsylvania Avenue. And Miss Fears was
having a conversation with her, telling them, look, this brother
been on this campaign for our people. He's coming ward
seven he's coming in Ward eights. Carrie said, well, I

(23:46):
haven't heard about him, and Miss Fears humbly told her, okay,
because you don't go in the street, you would know
that he's right down the street from you if you
come out of the church. I did. I'll had a
zoom with the Ward seven and eight whole clergy for
two hours. They was kicking them back at flabbergasta about
the work that we have been doing. Call they asked

(24:08):
me at the end of the zone book that they do.
I say, some of that money that you have in
the church the people, it's not coming to your church.
You have the refunds these out of the church, come
out of the church and serve your people. I'm right there,
right where there. I'm right there, and I'm really really

(24:30):
climbed out to those that has those funds. I met
a brother that's running for Miss Eleanor Holmes seat in Congress.
I met the brother three days ago. He heard about
the stop the killing see him you crisis management. So
when we met him, I had Brother Kamal I leave
with me. I'll always keep a witness with me because
when you hear me talking about these government informants stew

(24:55):
pictures and rants. That's real for us, and I get
to that in a minute. I had him with me.
The brother asked me one question, how can I help you?
I say, brother, the brother ancestors in need resources. He
was telling me about the development in Barry Farms, that
they allowed Barry Farms residents to move to Maryland. It

(25:17):
is a great possibility. Even though they can come back,
they will never be able to afford those new development
in townhouses in Berry Farms. He gave me that. He
told me he greatly open up a credit do it.
And after he said how can I help you? I
told him I'm not a ward and another positive I'm
telling them that. I looked them dead in his eyes
because whatever your motive is for one to meet me,

(25:38):
I didn't want to meet him. I set the record straight.
I'm not one of those. I love our people. It's
people over money for me. So there was a breezier
question that you asked me. Called all we have to
do because that money is a God's brother, and God
we trust that dollar. It's so powerful that we're not

(26:03):
going to let it go. Now, how do you know?
Because we have to be careful of the love of money,
because the love of money was so strong and Judas
that he negotiated the sale of jeep. That's what's going
on in Washington, DC. So you're talking about people here
with the people, our people dying out there, our people starving.
And that's one of the reasons being a woman of

(26:25):
the Little Ferretson is sounded because we have to study
this thing. Brother, when I mean to study this thing.
It came out to me yesterday that we got a
new police chief that's coming and I say, wow, this
is amazing. Mister Jeffrey Carls, he's the new interim police chief.
How did he get that spot so fast? Because the

(26:47):
House Oversight Committee, they said, this sister family Smith. She
pressured senior commands to manipulate the crime data and fostered
a culture of repaliation. This is war, brother, So they
got their man in me say, I'm on Martin Luther,
King of Malcolm Xican. I'm traveling all throughout the city
every day. I'm watching those same people that we talked

(27:10):
about when he deployed them into this city. I'm watching
them knock these little feathers off their mortgage. I'm watching
them instigating these little brothers defire on them, so it's
justified killing them. We are at war and these other
leaders in the church, in the mosque, in these organizations,

(27:31):
it's scared to death. And this is why I speak
sprou It every time I get off the show is
an uproar and watching it in DC. But you hear
what he said. They claiming it because they're guilty. And
this is why Pop I explain it that way. It
don't make me no dismiss I'm gonna stay here. Of
course it's it's dangerous, but I'm gonna stay here to

(27:52):
do allows wheel because end of the day, I love
our people, but love is fluity, So keeps it gulable,
Minister Lewis can So the thing for me when you're
talking about what til we do, we're not gonna give
up that money. So now if they're cutting all the
government programs, it's safetiness for our people. Our people is
greaty turn brother, they stop. The crime is gonna go up.

(28:14):
They're going in these safe ways because the first law
of nature is self preservation. They got to eat, brother.
See the staff is gonna go up, the robbery is
going to go up now, and they got their man
in that position. So when I say the lack of leadership,
that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Let me jump you here. You know, we talk about
crime and what's going on in our community, and it's
something that we got to address obviously, because the other
folks don't care as long as we're killing each other,
we're doing their work for them. We need to find
out why. We need to get to the root of
the problem. You know, and as you're talking about finding
money to help in all this kind of stuff, but

(28:56):
we need to find why these young people do the
things that they do. This this self hate, it's manifested
in self hate. Why they keep doing that? We need
to we need to start at the route, not at
not at the branch. So we need to figure out
a way. I know you speak with these young folks
all the time, especially, been into a lot of the
schools in the district, and what are they telling you?
Why did they why they hating on each other's what's

(29:18):
the answer? And because once you can answer that question,
we've already halfway got to the solution. So what are
they telling you why they do the things they do?

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Well, there's no leadership. Once again, because I heard the
Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan. If a home is not the
number one influence on our youth, leave this school, need
this church, need this parents, he said, the number one
influence on our young people as young people. Once again,
I'm out there, I see it. So if that's the case,
then what happened to leadership? That means that the leadership

(29:49):
is disconnected from the youth. You see, and this is
the key. We just disconnected. So we disconnected from the youth.
That means that we did not securing our future. So
the youth don't want to listen to the elders because
they when I am, even when they talk to me,
they feel as though nobody is listening to them. Nobody

(30:10):
understands or want to understand. You got to go out
in the street. That's why we are forced to go
out in the street and engage with them. Because when
you go out every day and engage with your people,
then out of that engagement become a trust. Out of
that trust become a bond. They're not listening to anybody.
It's hard call, it ain't easy because when you go
on those blocks, if the people that you know is

(30:33):
not there, the first thing they see a new face.
Oh he's the police. That's the first thing they gonna say,
because they committing crimes, even our young people twelve thirteen
to fourteen. I'm watching them with them calicos and them
salt rifles, and I'm standing to myself, where the head
you getting them from?

Speaker 6 (30:47):
First of all?

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Whereas you're getting the money to get it. Say so
now if you want to deal with that aspect of
our young keeper, because it's not all of them, but
the young majority in these neighborhoods. And then it's being
glorified all in the wrap, is being glorified all on television.
This phone is extremely dangerous because we are copycat young people.

(31:08):
Now they see somebody doing something, then they gonna start
doing it. It's hip. Now nobody want to speak to
it because we are scared of them. We're scared of them.
We're dealing with What.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Are you saying, We're scared of our young people?

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Yes, sir, we're dealing with the nation to kill us.
Anytime you watch and read the news, because you do
you are learnt man. And you see tleven thirteen years
old walking up the grown people and even young people
up throwing their brains. Something is wrong. That means that
that young person is psychologically mentally dead in order for
you to take a life. And we understand that the brain,

(31:46):
don't order mind, don't understand the consequences of his accidents.
Though it reaches twenty five years of age, they don't
know what the hell that doing. The mind is still
being formulated. But you got the spirit of a killer.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hold authorry the diary because we got to check the
news coming up next. But let me ask you this, though,
is the is the ad because we're looking for solutions,
Here is the answer. Jobs these young people are telling
you what they do, the things they do to get money.
Is it lack of education? Is it a combination. I'm
trying to find a solution. I'm trying, you know, because
we could talk about what they do and all of that,

(32:20):
but why they do the things they do? This self
hate basically because they don't know who they are. You know,
astro Quatio was just saying, no thyself and says many
of our problems. If our people knew who they were,
who our ancestors were, they wouldn't they wouldn't even say
anything bad about another black person, let alone something physical.
So I'm just trying to get to the rude of

(32:41):
problem again why they do the things they do. And
I'll let you share that with us when we get
back from the news. Family, you two can get in
on this conversation. Brother Diarreyel Muhammad reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls after news, traffic and weather.
That's next, and grant rising family, and thanks for waking
up with us on this third morning. And I guess
is brother Darryl Muhammad, Brother Darrell muhammads being on the

(33:04):
crusade for years now trying to stop the crime rate
or reduce the crime rate in Washington, DC, using different
tactics to especially with our young people. That's the thirst
of his endeavor. Before we go back to him, let
me just remind you come up later this morning. You're
gonna hear from a chematologist, brother Tony Browner. Brother Tony's
got a new book he's going to preview for us. Also,
you're gonna hear from doctor Rosie Milligan. She's an author, publisher.

(33:26):
A lot of the things that the brother Diarreyell's talking about.
She's going to talk about that as well. And Tomorrow's Friday,
we're gonna give you on a chance to free mind
all that means us to think for yourself and join
us for our open Phone Friday program again promptly six
a m. Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten
ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty WL.
All right, brother dyrel Before we left, and I got
a tweet from out of town has a question for you.

(33:48):
But my question she was about, which you know, we're
all about solutions here because we can talk every day,
but the problems are, the problems are, and they like
that because all we're doing is just you know, exercising
our gums. Let's figure out what can we do. What
are some of the issues. Is it unemployment, why some
of the are young people are misguided and doing things
they shouldn't do, or because is it self hate? What

(34:10):
do you see?

Speaker 5 (34:12):
I say all three of them, and a cocktail of
other things. I'm in Washington, DC, naturally, and you hear me.
I say certain things for a reason. When I say
financial mercenaries, see I can tell you almost three to
four hundred million dollars was wasted in Washington, DC that
should have been giving to these young people. See, I'm

(34:33):
around whether these people that's hustling them. I'm an enemy
to these people. Man, I'm an enemy to them because
I'm busting up a culture in Washington, d C. That's
beating like this. I know at least forty years now.
I'm talking to people that comes to median secrecy. They say, this, man,
start in trouble. Of course, I'm starting trouble because I

(34:55):
love our people. So you're standing to be fort these
in front of these young people. Ask if you leaders,
and you're trying to help them, but more so you
can your bills, mind your houses and so forth and
so on. The biggest thing they transpire for me when
that the majority of that grant money was taken away.
The majority of those people that was getting them was
coming to me asking me for jobs. And I'm saying

(35:15):
to myself, I told John, stopped playing with our people
because they give him them the money's called the money
is really not the issue like that. The federal money
was being a lot of kidd The reason that they
took those millions of dollars bro it is because they
couldn't match it with the data the solution to why

(35:36):
it was giving them the money. So the people found
out I.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Want to get off about don't want to get you
off the tangent you know about what's got the money
and all of this. Take it to this, get down
to the nitty gritty. Our people hurting each other, and
you think the money is the solution. How do we
reach those people with the money.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
What I'm saying, Paul, there's a cocktail. For every action,
there's the opposite reaction. That's life. So if you come
in to me and I'm saying you can trust me,
and then you find out in my trusting you that
you portrayed me, that's what I hear. That's what I see.
That's why a lot of this let me again.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Because the money thing is control. That's control. If you
think the money's going to solve the problem, that's controlled.
We need to have control of our own neighborhoods. We
need to be the ones who can make make the difference.
We have to find out why these young people are
doing the things they do and then attack it. I
don't say the money or say jobs. I keep here
on your keep going back about this money's misspent and

(36:40):
misappropriation of the money. That doesn't matter because that wasn't
there with the problem is still be there. So let's
deal with the problem. Dire el. I want you to
get to the problem. You speak to these young people.
Why are they telling you whether they do the things
they do? They're not telling you because we didn't get
a great trust. We don't know about the.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
Grand They don't trust us just in front of them.
That's the root of it. So then if I don't
trust you and you adult and I'm adolescent, juvenile, then
I'm gonna try to figure it out and I'm gonna
do what I need to do survival mode. Just the

(37:16):
reality of it just ain't complex, just ain't talkplex at all.
I'm gonna get some money, ever I can't get it,
and this is okay.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
We're getting somewhere now.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
So what do they need?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
How do we need? What? What do they need to
get that money? Are they do they need job training?
Do they need more education? Then you know that's where
I'm at. Who's got who's what grant? Because they don't
know about grants and who's got who got money? See me?
Shit with Black Lives Matter, and they ripped off black
Lives Matter, Grassroots and all the stuff they do. But
the people of grass rights Matter, Grassroots are still helping

(37:52):
our people. So it's not so much about the money.
Who's getting money and who's not getting money, who's getting paid.
That's not the issue because the people on the streets
don't know that, and they really don't care. We have
to figure out they go ahead.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
There's so much information that you can go on this
phone and you can google. It's so much. I'm learning,
like you said, a student, I'm learning and the things
that they're telling me, I have to go back and
even fact check it myself. So it's not a comp
it's not as money is the issue of all our problems.

(38:32):
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the
situation is so direcau when you do talk to them,
the majority of them, it's starting, I don't have an opportunity,
there's no mother, there's no father. I have to do
what I have to do to survive. So it's not
like it's one size fit all when it comes to
our young people. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying,

(38:55):
what I'm hearing from them, This is the reason that
I'm a uh connect to the majority of resources. I
don't have them once again, but I know where they
are and we have a team that sometimes we take
them to those buildings because they're not going to those buildings,
so we take them to get those resources. So out

(39:15):
of back call, I'm telling you the language amongst our
young people and the lack of trust. They found out
that the money was allidicated to people and they never
received the money even for the job training. Now, one
of the profound things that I can say to you
at this moment, just millions of dollars, that's being a
lot of catered to people that have programs growing up

(39:37):
to DC jails. I'm saying to myself, all of that
is good because I educated myself while I was incarcerated.
That's why I was able to receive five college degrees.
Of course I'm with that, but it's the same money
truck equippled to stop them, meaning job training and jobs
from them going through the jail. That's what I'm talking about, Paul, I.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Got I got some folks tweeting for you, and some
of them are out of town. So let me tell
you the first one from Chicago. It says crame gone
down in washing d seeds if the residents feel safe,
sin said Trump. But the end of the troops, that's
a question. Yeah, that's a question for you. That's a
tweet for you.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
I don't believe it. I'm out there every day. And
then if a man won't treat you right, what makes
you think you're gonna teach you right. There's a verse
in all the Quaran, chapter forty nine, verse six, when
the unrenchest man bring you news. So we got to
be careful who you get now news from, because that's
the beef that oversight Congress. Just use the hours of
Pameles Smith. She's they say that she falsified the data.

(40:44):
But when you out there in the streets like we
are in Washington, d C. They still come out. People
still committing crimes, a lot of us not even being
reported because this this these is not Chocolate City anymore.
It can uh uh justificated. So these Europeans is not
sorting those crimes because they want to stay here. They

(41:07):
got the house. This is nothing for them. This is
why the brother that's running for Congress, he mentioned Barry
Farms got home. History with Barry Farms and Marion Barry
gonna be wiped out in a minute once they get
in there. Brother is over with And that's what he
was telling me because he know, okay, I heard about you.
You will speak the truth as you know it. But

(41:28):
he's really telling me this sound alarmed. So now I'm
not gonna say and never say that the climb without
sure facts of the matter, it's easy. And this is
why we have to be extremely careful Kaul, listening to
these people with these narratives, running away with these narratives
as if it's actual facts. We have to investigate it

(41:50):
before we even mention it again, because where's a first
halfle when we what these people are saying or anybody
else and don't vet it. Our people committee climbs every day.
I know to be a fuck. I'm stuck in Southeast

(42:11):
and I'm telling you, brother, it's off the chain to
the point that they're challenging Trump people over there. I'm
talking about challenging. I'm watching them and I'm standing between it.
See so these brothers are still selling clank, they still
selling weed, they still robbing, They still got deep in
the hood. They didn't stopped from no damn Trump. And
if you believe that because they are here and they

(42:33):
stopped because Trump I got to act for a urine
test from you. If you think that time stopped in
washing the DC because she's a president for pennsyl say
to do something is bro something is wrong?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
All right? Old that thought right there, it's shaving away
from the top. They got another tweet. It's more of
a statement. This tweet twet says the problem starts with
the parents. Let's stop kicking the hand down the road.
Why don't they trust their parents? Why aren't they in school?
Those are the two questions for your brother diary.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
What that's the beautiful question because the parents ain't there.
And if the parents is there, the parents is their
friends and just general roytio amongst us as a people,
because there was a time where even if your parents
weren't there, if there was one turning home, there was grandmama.
Grandmama gone. So you got these young girls having these
babies twenty five years old. Their little baby is almost

(43:29):
eleven or ten and eleven, so she's raising as a
baby another baby. The mother probably he's on drugs. If
the mother's not on drugs, then the art partly has
the baby. And this is why you remember, Paul, they keep, oh,
kept asking for curfus for young people. What they've doing

(43:50):
out two three o'clock in the morning, purfuse. So they're
raising themselves so hard. When you talk about the complex problem,
this is a problem they is in themselves.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
So on now, school, you're in favor of extending the
curfew of Washington, DC.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
No, I'm not. No, I'm not at all because at
the end of the day call we goes out six
o'clock to three o'clock in the morning, some of us,
and we see them out there. You ain't got no
business out there at no three o'clock in the morning.
So I'm not in favor of that room in the
streets because that's when Trump keeps us out there. Brother.
When they out there, brother, they pulling these little sisters

(44:29):
over in gas stations, provoking them, let me see your tags?
Do you have a gun license? That's all the stuff
they pressing them. They find in a way only for
the judges. The next morning they let them back out.
That's what's going on in the saving From that perspective,
so when you're talking about parents, if the parents are
not there, they're not going to school. They have no
confidence in school, and then the teachers don't know how

(44:50):
to attract their mind because the food in terms of
education is anaquidum. It's outdated. You said, self hatred. This
is what we need to learn. Knowledge yourself back all
over again. But they're not kissing that in the American
school system is not designed by Rockefeller and them to
do so, mister can and mister Dewey, they didn't design

(45:12):
the educational system to educate their slaves. Hell no. So
when you're talking about what the problem is, its complex.
You just got to deal with it one at a time.
So all we just got to be engaged in committed
to do it. And so you said it best. It's
easy to participate, it's easy to speak about it. But

(45:35):
you're right, call we about solutions and one brother, docle.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
We got to check the traffic we having at different cities.
And for the folks who are listening to us, and
we've got people listenings all over the world listen to us.
This is not a typical African American community that you're hearing.
This is just a small fractional part of it. Most
of us we live together. We're good we're not killing
each other. I just want to get that out there
because some people run with it and think this is
what we are and then react on that. Anyway, as

(46:03):
I mentioned, we've got to check the traffic and weather
in out different cities three minutes away from the top
day our family. You want to speak to our guests,
doctor Darrel Muhammed. I'm gonna call him and give him
a doctor now because he's been this for quite some time.
You can reach us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone
calls after the traffic and weather is next. And Grand
Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us. And
I guess their brother, Tyrel Muhammad's been on a crusade

(46:25):
for decades now trying to, you know, find a key
to what's the crime problem in Washington, d C. And
before we left for the traffic and weather update, I
had to mention the fact that you know, because we
have folks who listen to us all the time and
you guys may not know this, and they don't interact
with us in our community, and they think this is
all our community is all about. And I just again
it's just a fraction, it's not all of them. But

(46:47):
the problem is our problem. The other folks really don't care.
We have to solve this problem. This is what brother
Dyrel Mohammad's been trying to do. It's trying to come
to solutions how to solve this problem. In fact, he's needed.
He says he needs ten thousand fearless men. Can you
tell us about that part, Brother Diarrel.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Yeah, I think the honor more min is the Louis
Pharicon because to stop the killing. I got the idea
from the honorablemen is the Louis Paracon. Make our community
a deces and safe place to live. I got that
from the honorable men's of the Pharakhon, and he said
we need ten thousand feelers men. He didn't say Muslims.
He said men. Men watch ten thousand feelers men to
get between the guns, the knives, the debt itself to

(47:27):
save our people. We don't need a lot, because the
Holy Koran says success don't been on numbers. We just
have to get out and engage our people. This is
what I'm saying. Huh, we have to get out and whatever.
You have a solution of substance. It has to be given.
We can't withhold it back and look at the condition

(47:47):
of our people and just condemn it and don't do
nothing and just watch our people die. To claim that
we have solutions to problems. That's what I'm passionate about
because it's gonna take all of us to deal with
this generation. Because this generation is like the Joshua generation.
This is the.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
Generation that will will free us. They just need right
leadership and right guidance. They don't fear nothing, Carl, That's
why it works with them like that. They don't feel nothing.
This is the generation. So are many of us are
holding going to this system of America. Many of us
we're still on the plantation. So when you talk about solution,

(48:27):
there's things that have to be addressed amongst us that
these young keepers do not want to be a part of.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
They don't want to be a part of just for
another show. They see it. They brilliant, the intelligent. I
heard the honorable minutes that Louis Farrakhan say, this is
the best generation that was ever produced in this country.
They just need some guidance. So we can't have the
guidance and don't give it to them. That's what I'm saying, Caul.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Now, I do appreciate what you're doing, because you know,
a lot of folks can see what's going on in
our come you know, and they just bypassion and think
somebody else is going to solve the problem. And the
problem is our problem. It's our community. And I keep
saying this. The other folks don't care if we kill
each other. In fact, they give it thumbs up because
we're doing their work for them. And that's for the
part of it. When I was telling you what the
brother and I keep mentioning a questions says, know thy shelves.

(49:18):
If those young people knew who they were, where they
come from, came from, and their greatness and our ancestors,
they wouldn't even say another curse, bad word or a
bad you know, say something negative about another black person
on this planet. And the problem is that brother says
that most of us don't know who we are. We've
heard this. Sister Malcolm's daughter was on the other and

(49:40):
she said the same thing. You know, people don't know
who are So people could tell us that we're this
and where that you're an adults or you're a foundation
because they can buil the all that because you don't
know who you are, and so you follow those folks
who tell you who you are. But you have to
do the research and find out who you are, or
you have to listen to some of our scholars to
tell us who we are and show us the way.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Paul, the beautiful thing for me, brother man, was that
other twenty thousand who you're going to have on later on.
Why I was inconcentrated those twenty three years. Remember I
did fifty years as military consignment. I was able to
get that brother's books, the scholarship from him. One of
the degrees I have, I have an American Studies degree

(50:24):
I was take. I was able to take the knowledge
of his scholarship and almost get that degree without college books.
And if our young keeper can learn about General Tyreek
when he went to conquer Spain in seventy eleven, and
he said, to see is behind us, and your enemies

(50:47):
before your before you, and he burned those boats. He said,
we ain't retreating. We don't conquer or die. And if
our young keeper can learn about Queen Candace from Sudan
and Ethiopia battle to Romans, it's the curate giefs. If
our people can learn about man's of Musa, the richest
first man in the world at that time in Maley Kingdom,

(51:13):
you get that kind of knowledge and it does something
to you. And this is one of the most vulnerable
Elijah Muhammad, I thank Almighty God for him. What he
was able to produce in the sinkers in America is
to take us back to the rich history. And he said,

(51:34):
if you go back sixty thousand years, you wouldn't find
a Negro on the planet. So if that curriculum can
be given to our young people to let them know that, yeah,
we are kings and queens. We rebuilt, will not rebuilt.
We civilize the doctor your Kian's life as they was
in the top ages. And if we knew that, brother,

(51:56):
if we knew our history once again, who want to
teach you?

Speaker 1 (52:01):
See?

Speaker 5 (52:01):
So when we out in the street call, we have
to continue to go out there some of that, some
of the conversations that we have history. See, and their
eyes light up when they knew all the inventions before
there was a Christopher Columbus, the black man was already
out here over here. The old next to expect when
they know that and found out we was already over here.

(52:21):
That kind of knowledge like that does something to there
because it's foreign to them. And if it's born to them,
that means that their knowledge wasn't given to them in
their homes, and it's not given to them in this
in this schools. So where are they going to get
it from? They caught up in the gravitational pull of society.
They ain't going time to read nothing.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
And I'm saying, Rosie Melligan sound deck. We got to
get to doctor Rosie. But before we get to let
you go, though, you're having an event this weekend to
highlight what you're trying to do. Can you tell us
about that?

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Yes? Uh, This Saturday, uh the twentieth, from five to
ten up at the Arc of Southeast, the heart of Southeast.
We got three notorious neighborhoods that the leaders and the
people are getting together because they want these And they
came to me and say, look here, you not like
the rest of them. You trustworthy, We trust you, and

(53:18):
were getting them together and once again called we're gonna
provide jobs and resources. I got a few people that
have a few dollars that's coming over to provide resources,
job training, housing, mental health. Because traumatized people traumatized people.
That's one of the things with these young people. They traumatized.
So I have people around me to help me help

(53:40):
out people. Once again, I don't get a dime I
pay for the event. Again, I don't get no government
from fundness. Man. I have to be free to say
what I need to say. So when I say certain things,
I'm saying that realistically, I'm dealing with their reality. So
you know, I'm going against the gravitational plotter what's going
on in the city. But it's all right. They we
need to overcome. So that's what's going on from there.

(54:00):
We're going to stay in the community, all right.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
So what time does this event start and how can
folks get more information?

Speaker 5 (54:08):
The event started at five o'clock. We didn't want a
long event. We just want to get them brothers the platform.
We could all of us go step back, give them
the platform, listen to them. Like you said, Carl, hear
the problem, come with the solution, and then we're going
to stay in that neighborhood for a week. Galvanized inspired
men in that neighborhood to make their community a des

(54:29):
safe place to live and just sit back and support them.
But the starts at five is in that ten o'clock
we're going to stay in the neighborhood and in the
incharm Ow god Winn. A month from now, twenty twenty six,
we're going to do it again, all right.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
I want you to report again in twenty twenty six
how it turned out. Thank you, Dyral, and thank you
for what you do man, because you're not being in
the streets. You've been going to these schools, talking to
these young people and trying to find a solution to
why they do some of the inappropriate things that they do.
So I thank you for doing that because a lot
of folks just see them as a well all the
kids are bad and all this kind of stuff, but
they don't do anything. But at least you, you know,

(55:04):
you picked up the baton and you moving with it.
So I just want to thank you for doing that.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Brother, Die, You're welcome all.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Its extremely dangerous, my brother. You don't know if you
want to come home at night dealing with this every day.
You don't know, just the reality that you just don't
know if you're going to come back home. It's that
dangerous because our people are so dead on different levels
that they're killing anybody for anything. Brother see, so thank you.
It's the love of our people that's moving us forward,

(55:33):
all right.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Thank you, Brother Diary. I posted on social media folks,
so you can check it out and help brother diaryel
because it's a it's a hard road out there sometimes
dealing with our people is really really tough. And I
know our next guest knows all about that, Doctor Rosie Mulligan,
Doctor Rosie Milligan, Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Thank you so much as always.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
And doctor Rosie is an author, a publisher. She's also
on TREP. Know she's a business person as well, and
she's done a lot in our community. Doctor Rosie, you
say and sort of uh, you know, getting back to
a brother diaryll just said about our young people. You
said it's time to get in our children's business. What
do you mean by that?

Speaker 8 (56:15):
Absolutely, I mean it's time to get in our children's
business now, not later, because legally grown does not mean
life readiness. And I always say to parents' cause don't
wait for a funeral, don't wait for a laws through
the hospital bed, a financial collapse. To finally ask questions

(56:37):
to your children. You know, when you see something, we
always say when you see something, state something. That's the
same thing with your children. When you see something, state something,
it's important. Legal age does not cancel for rental responsibility.
Being a parent does not expire at eighteen pans mind

(56:59):
and your children is costing your children everything. Sickness, broken
marriage is called jail time, even death, as I mentioned,
So it's time to have a conversation. That's why our
children are going us straight. Because many parents don't know
where they kids so leeping over with people's house. They

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don't know. The parents don't know who they're associating with.
You feel like it's not my business. Whoever they select
their friend is all right. That's why this generation is
so far off base because grown folks, parents feel like

(57:41):
we're the eighteen. I mean, who came up.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
Card with this thing in the first place?

Speaker 8 (57:46):
The eighteen Your hands are off. It's not biblical, it's
not any place we have to come to realize. We
can't go by and be comfortable because whether they law fay,
these are your kids that all said, when they get eighteen,
you have you can't you can't tell them nothing that

(58:07):
you can't do nothing with them. If they're sick, you
can't spank them, but the police can't kill them. It's
time that we get into that business. When received they're
doing something. They may hate you now, but I guarantee
you they will thank you later. Because age does not
equal wisdom. I'm gonna repeat that age does not equal wisdom.

(58:32):
Why parents must stay in that children's business. It's not snooping,
it's not it's about some bindful and I want to
send that message out to our parents. Get into the business.
I see telling me, well, I don't go in my
kids room twelve years old. He ain't got no room,
he ain't paying no rent. When are we gonna come

(58:53):
back and be parents the way we used to be
and stop That's why our kids saw when we started
acting lect other people, letting them do what they want to, wear,
what they want to, say, what they want to that's
when we start losing our kids. When we start raising
them the way grandma and grandpa raised us, with values,

(59:15):
with respect and making them respect other people, not long
just you. If our pants heard that we disrebect respecting elder,
we would hope that nobody told them. But we're stand
up and letting our kids. It's amazing how somebody's kids
let their kids stand up to me at eighty years old.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
Rose it.

Speaker 8 (59:37):
I mean, don't even have no respect to say mis
or grandmama or whatever. But we gotta get into that bitch.
When you see your kid coming home, call you know
he doesn't have a job anywhere bringing in new stuff,
buying stuff. I remember Minister Farrakin talked about that, how
PAMs turned their eye to Steff and happen it because

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they're benefitting because he brought you a new coat, he
brought you something from the money he got. So I'm
concerned about this next generation because if we don't take charge,
the world is making money off of us. When our
kids are incarcerated, caught, that's a business for other people.

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We are part of the gross national product when our
kids are in the system, when they are in foster home.
It's not meant about our people have foster home. So
who's making mine off our kids? Who's making money off
of the error to mistake that we're making fun of
the things that we're doing. So I'm passionate about saying

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parents get in your children's business because later may never come.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So let me tell me here, Doctor Rosie at fourteen fifteen,
actually right after the top of the eye. He's just
sure to joining his family of doctor Rossi Milgan is there.
Doctor Rosie is an entrepreneur. She's a business person. She's
also a publisher and an author. And by the way,
if you got a book, an idea for a book,
she can publish it for it. She's done a lot
of guests on the show. She's published at books. She's

(01:01:11):
based in la But Doctor Rosie, my question to you
is what age do you start getting into their business?
Because you know, if you haven't been doing it when
they were younger, and you try to do those teams,
you're gonna get some pushback. Or if you try to
win a young adult, they're going to stay out of
my business. So what age should you have these conversations

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you start?

Speaker 8 (01:01:34):
You in the business from zero to death. You're always
de pin You always have a responsibility for the children.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
That you brought into this world.

Speaker 8 (01:01:47):
God gave those children to you. It is your responsibility.
I don't care if they sixty, If they it doesn't
come up with because you know, people that fifteen sixteen
ain't got no sense, Okay, don't have wisdom, and you
gonna stand back and not say anything when you see
they're going to financial run if your child keep coming

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to you, they've grown, have their own house, and children
always want to borrow money, always run. In short, don't
you think it's time for you to stop the well,
let's sit down and have a comfort. Now, why are
you always what is going on with your finance? You
need to start talking about do you have insurance? You

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telling me don't get in your business, but when you die,
I'm in it because I got buried. When you losing
your home it's in foreclosing. Then you wait and you
run to me, I'm in your business. So I can
be in your business.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
As long as you live.

Speaker 8 (01:02:43):
And when things are going bad with our children, they
shouldn't even have to come to us and ask for help.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
When we see it, we need to step in. They
need instruction.

Speaker 8 (01:02:54):
Ca car who talking who talked them about finance? Who
talked to them about having a ben tissrail on their account?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Right now?

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Hold of thor?

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Right there, doctor Rosie, because hold of Thori. We gotta
step aside a few months. And those are good questions.
Are great questions you're asking but then again, the parents
themselves don't know. So how at what point does the
parents have to re educate themselves about business, about banking,
about credit and all that. Have these conversations and what
age should you have these conversations with your child. I'll

(01:03:27):
let you answer those questions when we get back. Family.
You two can get in on this discussion with doctor
Rosie Milligan. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls next and grand right, I'm seeing family.
Thanks for starting your Thursday with us and our guests,
Doctor Rossi Milligan. Dodtor Rosie is an author who's a
publisher as well as a business person. She's got a
store out in Los Angeles, and she said this morning,

(01:03:49):
she says, we need to get in our children's business.
We need to find out what's going on in their
lives and all this. Doctor Rosie, it seems she's coming
from the breakdown of the Black family, because that used
to be the case. We used to be close to
with our children. And my question too is what age
do we start having these conversations about finance. Example, So
you know, as you mentioned in early I said, the

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late teens, early twenties, and young people now and they're
still coming to borrow money and all this and then
making some of these mistakes that if you were taught earlier,
they wouldn't have made those mistakes. But at what age
do we start this and how can we do many
of our parents, many of the parents don't know these
rules and regulations themselves.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
Well, then what happened. That's why it's so important. Grandparents
are so important in children lives because let me say,
what has happened to our community, as you well know,
specially coming from LA during the years when drugs was
planted in our community, we almost we lost the potential

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of the generation that power because many of them was
involved with drugs. A lot of children well had absente
parents because they was locked up. And during that time
we lived a little history. Grandmama couldn't even keep the
kid because she didn't have enough money to do it
on our own, and this system would not allow that

(01:05:13):
grandmother or the family members could take these children, so
they were dropped into foster homes. So now we're looking
at children who didn't have rearing and instruction by their parents,
and they are out trying to operate on their own.
So we need to see ourselves as an extension the

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way it used to be. That this child belongs to
all of us. So we got to come back to
a community approach. Since we know the problem, We know
these what happened to these children, and we acting as
if we don't know. So we stand on the side
nine rule. They sold these They stupid they did. They
don't have no training.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
Who train them?

Speaker 8 (01:05:54):
They don't know even a man of our young kids
don't even have a checking account, They don't know anything
about credit. They get all messed up and they get
locked out of the bank system. Now they have to
go to check cashing places, paying to cash a check
for the money that they have worked for. So that
child may not know, but you next door and you

(01:06:17):
know that mama next door don't know anything, then you
need to reach out and try and be a mother
a pair to that child. We all gonna have to
be responsible for trying to save our people, because if
we don't, that child that you don't care about is
the one that's.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
Subject to kill.

Speaker 8 (01:06:36):
Your child standing there the ATM trying to get money
because nobody cared about him when we understand that this
thing is about all of us and not about me,
because I'm doing well, I'm my kid educated, I'm living
on this side of the town. Whatever side of town
you're living on does not make you safe. So yes,

(01:06:59):
we need to getting our children. This some cruen you
think about legally grown. There's a dangerous myth. Age does not,
as I say eco wisdom, age do not equal preparation.
Age does not equal protection. And I know some parents
will worry about it if I get it. If I
say this, they may not like me. Being a parent

(01:07:22):
is not about being like. It really isn't real. Parenting
isn't about being like. Temporarily anger is cheaper than permanent regret,
so you worry about your child being angry. When I
do estate planning, car I have parents who have a
child on drugs, doing everything, and they want to need

(01:07:44):
that child on a house with the other three kids
that they have, And I say, well, this doesn't make sense.
You know this child would want to sell the house
before they bury you And the parents will look at
me and say, well, I don't want Junior to be mad.
I said mad? Can he dig you up?

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
What is he going to do?

Speaker 8 (01:08:09):
Till we have to make sense getting our children. This
make sense even when we're leaving and inherited to our children.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Called.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
My statement to my.

Speaker 8 (01:08:20):
Clients is this. You know, when it comes to your
stuff you work hard for, this is not the affirmity
action program. I want to repeat that because I see
that mistake so often. Well, they're all my kids, but
you know this is not the affirmity action program. When
it comes to what you have worked hard and labored for,

(01:08:43):
we grown people, we pay him gott to start making
better decisions. That's why our children left in the economic ditch,
because we are worried about how they like us and
what they think. They are not worried about what you think.
Some of 'em won't do anything that you say do,
So it's time to get in their business. What's up

(01:09:05):
where you get the money to get this coat from?
How you doing this?

Speaker 9 (01:09:09):
Or that?

Speaker 8 (01:09:10):
I don't kid there in your house or out of
your house. Pamph Mental guidance should never stop. That's the
myth for our people where they grown little, make their
bed hard. They got to lay in all of the
crazy madness.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
I got mine.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
They get there, come on black coats.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, but doctor Rosie twenty seven. Half the Top There,
what is the child? It says, uh, well, I'm grown now,
you know that's the I can make my own decisions,
and you know that they're making a decision. That's that's
not it's not gonna work out for them. You know
that because you've been there before. You've got the experience
or they're getting with the person that you that you
know doesn't really care for them. It's just probably just
trying to use them and in effect use you too,

(01:09:54):
because you got to support them. If something goes left.
What do you say when they say, mama's stay out
of my business because I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
Going now, So my child, I'm gonna always be in
your business. Your business is my business because i'm your parents.
You may not listen to me now, but you can
never say, son or daughter that I didn't tell you.
That's why I want him to think you can never.

(01:10:22):
You don't want to live with regrets if I had
told him I knew this boy he was running with
with this or that, because everybody in the community to
new But then when he come up in jail he
ends up dead.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
Then you got regrets.

Speaker 8 (01:10:37):
Parents, am saying till you put yourself in position that
there are no regrets. If something happened to your children,
it's important.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
That's why you.

Speaker 8 (01:10:47):
Want to talk to them about finance.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
You need to ask.

Speaker 8 (01:10:50):
Them, and I asked PAMs a question. If you don't
want to be in their business, you ignore all the
red flass with your child. Did your parents prepare you
for a dog to her?

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
Or did you learn the hard way?

Speaker 8 (01:11:02):
So here you go when ain't nobody told me I
learned the hard way. I don't want my kids to
learn the hardway, and you should not want yours to
learn it hardway. If something happened to your children today,
you wouldn't know anything about their business. You wouldn't know
until a lot of young people call a living on
their own. They've grown it twenty to thirty forty. But

(01:11:26):
if they die, get killed, or something happened here, you
don't know whether they have insurance. You don't know if
they have a trust. You don't know what their last
wishes are, whether they want to be buried cremated, You
don't know if they have beneficiary on their accounts. You
don't even know anything about them car you know how

(01:11:47):
much money goes to the state Accountiforny every year millions
of dollars because there are people who make their transition
younger people, young adug and nobody knew they had retirement.
Nobody knew they had a thing. Could count here, folks,
it's time. I'm serious about this. I stay in my
children's business, Yes I do.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
I remember my daughter.

Speaker 8 (01:12:10):
Husband said once to me, well, you know she's my
wife and she's married.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
She's grown.

Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
I said, left, back up, she was my.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
Daughter before she met you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
Okay, when she went to college. I don't see not
one two istion that you pay, so you need to
back up. I love you, I said. Not only am
I gonna be in her business? If I see something
that about you that I need to inform you, educate you,
son in law, I'm gonna be in your business too.

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I'm just laughing. I'm just an official of that conversation.
You really have that conversation with your daughter.

Speaker 8 (01:12:51):
She's gonna always be my daughter. I looked at men
who allow husbands to beat on their daughters, and you
stay out of it as a man a woman, how
you gonna stay out? And your daughter got a black eye,
come into your house till she get ready to go
till she feel comfortable. He come with you can come

(01:13:11):
back now. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
They well, I ain't gonna be in their business.

Speaker 8 (01:13:15):
That makes no daunt since at all.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
My business.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Okay, doctor Rosie, when you told your sonny law, he's
gonna be in his business? What he said?

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
I sure didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
He didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:13:30):
He didn't say no for okay people, you know what
grown post. Everybody's looking for discipline and looking for for
ruse and regulation. Yes, I I just let him know
straight up front. He used to come to the car
my daughter.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
Even her kids. They were pam, you seen my shoes?
Her husband, Uh, you seen my glasses? So I went
up there said, look, don't you guys ask her about
wear your shirt? Don't ask her anything? I mean, why
you keep pulling on her? And so one day we would.

Speaker 8 (01:14:08):
Sit me in her would sitting in the bedroom and
her husband came to the door. She said pay him
you see He said, oh, I'm sorry and ran on out. Yeah,
I'm in the business.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
That's my daughter.

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
God gave her to me. She's gonna always be my daughter.
And I'm gonna say something at any time I think
something is wrong that can cause her some issues in life.
That's why get.

Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
In their business. Got to me.

Speaker 8 (01:14:33):
When you need something, you put me in. And if
your house isn't foreclosure, you put me in. And if
you can't pay your card and over it they about
to come get it, you put me in. And when
you shot up money and needs to borrow at something,
I'm in your business, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
I got a tweet question for you, doctor Rosie. Wow,
doctor Rosie. Tweet It says, I have a relative who's
married and a fifty year old fifty your old son
still is in a house, has never lived on his own.
She keeps him there and I see them more than
I see her with the husband through the years. We
tried introducing him to people's age, and she jumps in

(01:15:10):
and blocks us. When should parents stop being friends with
their children? What happens if she does? What happens if
she does? The husband already said he has to go.

Speaker 8 (01:15:23):
You never, it's never age of that you stop. Parents understand,
and they see.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
Especially their mother, a lot of times. They know the.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
Weakness, They know the downfalls. They know their children because
they're the one with him from child up. When the
husband is out working, they just don't pay as much
attention many of them. So there's some weakness. There's something
there that she knows about her son, but maybe she
doesn't know how to prepare him to go further. And

(01:15:56):
since he's not doing it, then she feels like she
has to to take up to slap to try to
protect him. Women don't just try to. We always talk
about how women's smother and mother that son, backup car.
They do the same thing with their hustles. Look at
all these men who are not working and some are

(01:16:16):
worcome and not to that potential. Do the wife jump
up and leave them? No, it's something about black women
that are caretakes us and when we understand the nature
of black women and then we have to reason out
why they do and try to get counselor and have
them to look at because a lot of these women special,

(01:16:40):
a lot of single women. They are, you know, like
they trying to make these sons. They hustle, he's their
company where he do this and sometimes they are the
person who are doing everything for themk. So she has
gotten comfortable for that, but if there's some issues.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
About the child being away from home, they need to
work at can he leave?

Speaker 8 (01:17:00):
Is he educational, he mentioned it, and emotionally efficient to
get a home, specially now in this day people.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
Are going to be living with each other. And that's
one thing called we might get used to with kids
coming back home. I ain't no need of us.

Speaker 8 (01:17:17):
Trying to ask us when I got going on.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
I had my own place.

Speaker 8 (01:17:20):
Yeah, you weren't paying but one hundred and twenty five
dollars a month for rent. Okay, So come on, stop
all that foolishness about what you did when you were
coming up. You know these children are not living in
the same day that you were living. We came up
in a time you got educated from at Sunday School,

(01:17:41):
which will teachers. But now, ain't nobody saying nothing to
your kids. They're just isolating parents all you don't give
them many time that won't get it done. Think of
people that we know. You can ask so many children
who influenced you. Most time, it's not then parents. Miss
Lisie down the street, she taught me how to sew.

(01:18:03):
She told me this, my coach. Because parents are not talking.
The kids don't even know what you think. They don't
know you have a bank account, they don't know you
have beneficial EPI zooners. They don't know you have a
living trust. I have people calling me when.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
Their parents died.

Speaker 8 (01:18:19):
Car my mama died, do doctor mislm Do you know
whether she had a trust or not?

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
And you living right there in the house with them.

Speaker 8 (01:18:27):
We talk about everything, but talking to our family. I
suggest that every family at least once a month, just
like courth of America, you ought to have a sit
down around the table and get off of the facebooks
and put your face on a book. Start talking to
your kids. Don't allow your kids. You're on your way

(01:18:48):
to church, they on their phone, ticktocking. They can't talk
to each other. Kids never saying a word, And you're
okay with that. So what I'm saying, nobody knows when
anybody's feeling in that house until it stays away out
of control.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
All right, hold up, sorr at the doctor ROSI. We
got to step aside and get caught up with the ladies, news, trafficking,
weather in our different cities. But before we come back, though,
tell us, at what point did you, as a parent,
you know, sit down and figure out what you for
your after life and you sit with your children. Tell
me this is what I'm doing and here's the will
and this, see who's gonna get this? And yeah, because
she usually asks when the fight starts, you know, right

(01:19:26):
after the persons deceased and the children start arguing over
what's left. I want you to deal with that for
us and we get back family. You got a question
for doctor Rosi Milligan to reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls after the news trafficking weather,
It's next and Grand Rising family. Thanks for staying with
us on this Thursday morning with our guess, doctor Rosie Milligan.
Doctor Rosie and Milligan basically talking about this the disintegration

(01:19:50):
of the black family. We used to be have a
family unit was you know, mother, father and children, and
now it's it's it's just disintegrate and there's no talk
and no conversations about the future of the family and
keeping the family intact. See about doctor Rose's discussing this morning,
you like to reach her hit us up at eight
hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six. Before

(01:20:10):
we go back to her though, I mean, just remind
her come uple later this morning and speak with chematologists
brother Tony Browner. Brother Tony has a new book he's
going to share with us. And also tomorrow is Friday,
and we give you a chance to free your mind.
It'll let means think for yourself and join us for
our open for a Friday program. I'd love to hear
from you, and we start at six am Eastern Time
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also

(01:20:30):
in the DMV the Washington, DC Metropolitan here on fourteen
fifty WL. All right, doctor Ross, got a tweet for
you from brother Paul, who listens to us in London.
But before we do that, though, your response to my
question about the app when you're prepare for the afterlighte
when do you have this discussion with your children and
how do you have the discussion because many of them
don't want to hear this, you know, but it's necessary

(01:20:51):
because we're all going to leave this planning at some point.
And do you do you have them in the discussion
when you're planning your will or what you want to
be to be done after you leave, or you just
make it in just surprise him. A lot of people
just don't even do it well. So concerns, O Carl.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
You do these things because.

Speaker 8 (01:21:11):
You want to have harm in it and peace in
your family when you're gonna That's why it's important. And
if gain it needs to be talked about you. It
is your property.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
You should know.

Speaker 8 (01:21:24):
Your family should know uh.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
What you're doing, because you might want to ask them,
say you have two homes. You might want to say
to the kids which one of you pre fur to
have the units and which Yes, you need to talk
to them about that kind of stuff, and then you
can make things you know proper.

Speaker 8 (01:21:43):
You may say to the child, that's some drugs. I'm
not gonna leave you on the house. I'm gonna leave
you more of the insurance, or I'm going to leave
you money, but I'm leaving John Doe over it as
a guardian because you're not responsible. You need to have
these conversation versus leaving their daughter over the what you're

(01:22:03):
leaving for him, but you never told him so now
he's mad. So now he's getting a lawyer to try
to go to court to get his own money. You
need to have the conversation. I don't know why people
don't want to talk about them leaving him. I always
say called to everyone out there listening. When we leave
home each day, when you leave home each day, you

(01:22:24):
expect to return. But if not, is your business in order?
Do your family know what to do? That becomes a question.
If you have a special needs child, have you made
preparation for that child? We got to talk about these things.
Silence is a bombshell that's destroying our family.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
Carl.

Speaker 8 (01:22:47):
If your children are on a job, you need to say,
if you have matching funds on your job, you need
to take part of that because that's free money. Dams
don't even talk about none of that. You need to say,
if you have young children, you have life insurance on
your job, you need a separate individual policy because you
need to know that the life insurance are extended if

(01:23:10):
you're no longer working. Carb, these a conversation we need
to have, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Twelve away from the top, un and doctor Rossie these
conversations said. Of course you need to have these conversations.
But what if you've you've you've got children, and say,
if you've got three three children and one is still
you know, still out there, worldly out there, if you
will wilding or whatever, you know what I'm saying. Probably
on drugs or whatever, and the other two are upstanding.

(01:23:37):
How do you how do you deal with that? Do
you leave some something for them or do you leave
it in your in your will or your trust and
then explain which is better, will or trust? Do you
leave that for them to to make sure they take
care of their that their brother or sister or or
can that be manufactured? Can you culdn be written that way?
Or maybe your your person, your your child is is

(01:23:58):
gonna marry somebody you really don't care here about, so
can you protect them? Because you know just by you
know and parents know this, they could tell this is
not going to last. This relationship is not going to last.
But you know he might be taken taken to the cleaners.
So I got to protect him. Can I do it
the way so that when it is in your mind
you're going to say, when the engine or divorced, they

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don't get all of his stuff or all of my
stuff too that I put in here. Can that be done?

Speaker 8 (01:24:25):
I'm glad you mentioned that because it depends on the
laws of the state. In California, this is community property.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
So if I left my daughter.

Speaker 8 (01:24:33):
House and if she was renting that house and she
can prove to the court that every time when in
that house came from the rent, it did not come
from her money. Then that would always remain herself for property.
But say it was no long on it, but she
wanted to borrow money on it. Once she borrowed money
on it and having to pay, then it becomes equal

(01:24:56):
to the hustling Cause whatever money the wife have in
the community's what's mine is yours, and what's yours is mine.
That is another reason why people need to have these
type of conversations. A car and one thing people have
to understand. I've heard people say, well, her ex husband
can ever come to the house put that in the trust.

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I say, you cannot move from the grade. That's what
I want folks understand. Teach while you're here. You can't
just write something on paper and think that people are
going to go by that. And sure you don't have
to leave everybody equal their children that people have left
told it out, but you have to state that I
purposely and intentionally are omitted to provide for this child

(01:25:42):
in our trust, or you can leave that child or something.
A lot of people have children inconcerted car. So when
you're doing your estate planning. Then you do want to
say who you want to be over what you're leaving for,
or you can say I want you to put his
part in a trust for him.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
Yeah, all of these things have to be discussed. You
can't leave your child lounge just because he's incarcerated, because
sometimes they shouldn't even be incarcerated. They did a pleabody,
was a good child. There's a lot of good folks
behind Boss car Our stand at people, but just made
one mistake. And sometimes that mistake they made is because

(01:26:25):
you didn't get in their business. A lot of children
in jail because Paments failed. You saw him going down
the wrong road, You saw him hanging out with the
wrong people. You saw him coming home buying stuff and
had no job, but you didn't say nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Note away from the top of the are doctor Rosie
Millie and doctor Rossie. I mentioned Paul's listening to us
in London and Paul and tweeted he says that doctor
Rosie is absolutely one on point Black people who adopted it.
Eurocentric indoctrin the nation. We have to sankofa and go
back to basic family and extended family and village mentality.
A big stretches when the system is profiting from all

(01:27:06):
this nonsense. This is what Paul is saying, says, we
need to go back to our san kope, back to
our basic family values as black folks that we used
to have because we, I guess Paul is basically saying,
many of us are becoming addicted to white We want
to do with the with the colonizers have done if
we want to adopt their way of lifestyle.

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
Your response, He's right, we are not Caucasian clone. I
want black folks to understand. You are not Caucasian clone.
You dance to a beat, that's that's different. They're the
ones say well, the man needs to bring in the bacon.
I talk about that in my relationship seminar. He needs
to bring in the bacon. The white place is at

(01:27:46):
home and our culture Africa. The wife was not at home.
They were in the marketplace many time with that kids.
That baby is tied to that back. When you see
these folks over here with now these little strapped thing
with that kids on the back, call that ain't nothing new.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
That's how African.

Speaker 8 (01:28:05):
That's how they did.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
They have these babies in this strap that they back
there out in the marketplace. It was no such thing.
You stay home, you don't work.

Speaker 8 (01:28:13):
The man is supposed to work, so he's absolutely right.
We need to understand we're not Caucasian clone and we
need to get back to doing what work for us.
When I talked to people here, I asked people in
the seminar one day, how many of you came from
the South? Seventy five percent? Rates at hands. I said, okay,
how many you had an apartment a house ready for

(01:28:36):
you when you got here? And how many of you
came and live with uck above and ain't lizard till
you got your feet on the ground. They all raised
a hand and I said, well why is it? They
can't nobody stay with you?

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:28:50):
You know I got everybody got to have their own room,
to own TV. That's why people are not talking.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
We didn't do it that way.

Speaker 8 (01:28:57):
People had one TV in that room. If they didn't
have a then everybody watching TV together, or they negotiated
who was going to watch this show. We are so
separated and everything we do we want to do it alone.
We got to have our own church, our own partnershop,
our own room, our own bathroom, our own car.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
When we all go.

Speaker 8 (01:29:20):
Into the same church and three of us driving a
different car. Folks, we need to change. And when most
of all that, we want this generation to change, we
have to get in that business. We have to show
them the way you remember called the song Grandma's hand.
You remember that well. When the song he said, Grandma

(01:29:41):
would say, why you why you want to whoop that boy?
What you want to whip him for? We better go
back to get it in business. You need to get
in your parents' business. Even when they're rearing your grandchildren's room.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
You think I don't, I did it. And you know what,
my daughter loved me to death.

Speaker 8 (01:30:04):
She thanks me for everything because her sons was seven
years in this age and different.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
The young boy was a manipulator.

Speaker 8 (01:30:15):
His oldest song would play with him and his friends
for so long, and then they said, well now we
want to play this game by ourself. He would run
and tell his mom crying when his friends come over,
he won't play with me. She running room, Well, just
cut the game off if he can't play. They're none
of y'all. Plus a hold up, they're different in the age.

(01:30:36):
They don't want to do the same thing. This little
boy is a manipulator. I ran it down to her
and she began to see it and it made a different.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
Than those boys. I'm in their business. Y'all can do
what you want to.

Speaker 8 (01:30:49):
I haven't had to go to jail with none of them,
not a grandkids, and they love me. They remind me
of the things I said to them that change their lives. So, folks,
that's what you want to do. You want your kids,
your grandkids, to remember how you help them improve their lives,

(01:31:10):
not remember you bought them a car, you took them
to the movie, you took them on the trip. They
want to remember a thing that was meaningful to them
that they can carry.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
It to the grave with them.

Speaker 8 (01:31:21):
Get in your children's business while you can now versus later,
because if you don't get into a down car, you
may not get that chance to tell them what you
would think. And about telling them before they went to
jail or before you buried them.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Oh wow, Ald, that thought right there, that's sinking family
far away from the top. We got to get caught
up in the ladies' trafficing. We're a different cities before
we go though, Paul and the London sent updated to
his tweeting. He says we need more like her Rosie
for president and she has a place here in the UK.
So Paul appreciates what you're saying, and thanks Paul for
always listening to us, always like sending us updates. So

(01:32:01):
what's going on in London and black folks in the
UK as imagined? We got to step aside get caught
up in the ladies' trafficking weather in our different cities.
You want to speak to doctor Rosie, reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls. Next and Grand
Rising family and moment Taryl are going to speak with
their brother Tony Browner. It's got a new book out.
He's going to share with us about his book. And

(01:32:22):
before it's continuing a moment with doctor Rossie Milligan. Doctor Rosie,
it says it's time to get into our children's business.
Doctor Rosie, what age is there a cutoff time? Because
you're saying your daughter's growing now and you're still there.
But what but you started early? What if a person
had not started early getting in the children's business?

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
Is it too too late?

Speaker 8 (01:32:46):
Carl, It's never too late. They're always your children's longly
they live.

Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
See whatever we didn't do, make up start doing it.
You well, I didn't do it. I should have told
them when they were young. You were young, and you
don't know nothing to tell them. Okay, So the.

Speaker 8 (01:33:03):
Sooners you learn what need to be is my dad say, learnt?

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
Then that's when you begin. You you start wherever you learn.
When you learn better, you do better.

Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
Carl, I want to mention just two books. I am
at I author thirty six books, but one I want
to mention in particular today. It's the one called Preparing
for Departing this Life. Preparing for Departing this Life is
a very important five.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
Families, and the other one is what you need to.

Speaker 8 (01:33:34):
Know before you get hitched? Before what you need to
know before you get hitched. So you can go to
Amazon and I'll see all thirty seven of the books
I've an author, or you can call my authors, or
go to my website. Dr Rosie dot com, Dr Rosi
dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
Call me at three two three seven five oh three
five nine two. That's three two three seven finds oh
three five nine two. So you really need to know,
because Carl, who's telling people.

Speaker 8 (01:34:06):
What they need to preparation for the part in this life.
How often do you hear people talk about you can't
we prepare for coming into this life, and we got
to prepare for leaving folks. It is critical, more critical
now that we do it than ever because our families
are losing too much in probate, kids falling out, being

(01:34:30):
mad with each other. And if there ever was a
time that black folks, nick rose, colored people needed each other,
if now called.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I'm intrigued because I know you've you've read several books,
as you mentioned, But what about the book that talks
to folks before they get hitched? A lot of people,
you know, they don't get married these days. They's a
sort of shack up if you will. Do you get
into that in that book, doctor Rosie?

Speaker 8 (01:34:57):
Yes, And that's why Pam need to get in your
children's Look, baby, now you shocking you living with him.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
Your name is not on that house.

Speaker 8 (01:35:07):
If he died tomorrow, If you in California, you get nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:11):
I don't care.

Speaker 8 (01:35:12):
If you've been there forty years now you see this happening.
You ain't gonna tell your daughter, You ain't gonna talk
to them about it. You wanna talk to the husband
and wife. And luck now since you guys not married,
now something happened to you, My daughter gets nothing. Everything
go to your kids in the community, community state. God,

(01:35:32):
you see why I'm so past. I see it every
day as an estate planner, I am looking at this
country stuff. So yes, that's why you want to be
in that business. They transfer property, they voyage to keep
from going into a liability because somebody's gonna try to

(01:35:55):
take what their wife have if they get sick.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
Black folks, you just don't know how. My heart just
burns when I see what's happening to us.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Call yeah, because I know this is what This is
another area that you're working and and this is real
for you. But when you tell these young sisters about
not shocking up, and they're already shocked that I already
moved in with some dude, And what do you tell
them do you tell them, well, give it six months,
give it the if. If there's no ring or no

(01:36:27):
engagement or nothing moving towards marriage, you give them some
time to really digest, or you just tell them straight
up that you shouldn't have done that and move out.

Speaker 5 (01:36:36):
It's straight up what you have to do and what
you need to know before you get hit. It helps
you to really qualify whether you need to be with
that person. Uh shack up on a marriage. In other words,
whether you need to be a dating that person. Nobody
has given young people mirror. They haven't given them anything. Honey.

Speaker 8 (01:36:56):
Whoever, that's damn honey. If it don't work out, you
know I didn't work I don't That's why half of
that's why we got so many had a household family,
and there's so many people that's married Carl. They in
search regret. They wish somebody had told them. They wish
Mama had told them, but they thought mama relationship had

(01:37:18):
always been so perfy. Mama didn't tell them all the
mistakes she made and what she wished she.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Had not done.

Speaker 8 (01:37:26):
It's time to be honest, to be upfront. Yeah, we've
been here forty years, but it's been rough. And hear
what happened. If I hadn't known this, I wouldn't have
married this man. If I had known this, I wouldn't
have had four kids with him. I wouldn't have had
any kids.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Folks.

Speaker 8 (01:37:43):
It's time to talk, That's all I'm saying. Card I said,
you know, as the estate planner and community actressist. All
these years and being eighty years.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
Of age, I learned something along the.

Speaker 8 (01:37:55):
Way, and we need to start listening to our elders
and we need to start talking. Don't try to make
that your marriage so perfect. Let your kids know the
weeks it's the downfall, the things you did that made
your marriage rough. If you had known what you would
have done differently. Stop hiding these secrets were destroying our families.

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
This frind and you know, let me get straight.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
So you were saying that the absolutely those secrets at
all when it comes to the family in a marriage.
If someone cheated, someone was on drugs, did you share
that with the children?

Speaker 8 (01:38:32):
Yes, you need to share the alcoholics.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
I'm glad you asked.

Speaker 8 (01:38:37):
My girlfriend is on a mission right now because of
all this sexual.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
Molestation among families.

Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
She's creating ambassadors for each family to watch how to
protective family. If you know how could being is a predator,
then the whole family need to know. These secrets have
caused our kids to be raped, molested and have damitated
life forever. You know, Uncle Ben, they molested six of
the kids in the family and the other side of

(01:39:06):
the family.

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
Don't know it.

Speaker 8 (01:39:07):
These secrets got to go.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
Yes, they gotta go. That's what's destroying.

Speaker 8 (01:39:13):
Think about a car. Think about the person who can
molested five people in their family and somebody know that
they did the honey, don't We ain't gonna say that.
We don't want to be shamed. But what about these kids?
You do not show it their life forever because you
don't want to be ashamed for a seventy five year
old grandpopper who molesting everybody in the family. Oh, you

(01:39:38):
got the blood bowing it because I see it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
It's pain from Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
I see it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
I know because this is some of your TV with
on a daily basis, Doctor Rose. Inst a topic for
another program when you come on. But again, before we
let you go, how can folks reach you? How can
they get your books? Because you got and all your
books listed on your website.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
Yeah, they all on my website. You know I did
the books.

Speaker 8 (01:40:00):
Sign a black man section, make simple, start to sign
a black woman section made simple, while black men choose
white women. Folks, that's getting out of debt made simple.

Speaker 5 (01:40:09):
Everything you basically you need to know.

Speaker 8 (01:40:11):
I like books to help people to improve that life. Okay,
so it's important. You can call me at three two
three seventy five oh three five nine two. You can
go to doctor Rosa dot com and you will see
a list of all of my books.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
Dr Rosa dot com. Call three three seventy five oh
three five nine two. I'm asking you to get an
off of Facebook and put your faith in a book.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
All right's your bookstore is still there down on Manchester, Helen,
it's still.

Speaker 8 (01:40:43):
The expression a classic one book that fourteen twenty five
West Manchester Avenue in Los Angeles, California. And Carl, I
appreciate you, and you know I am so passionate. You know,
at my age, I see the young people going to
Rome direction, I'll see the pants and saying when I
ain't got nothing to do with make it bed hard.

(01:41:04):
I don't want my kids to make it hot being hat,
but I don't want them to have to lay in it.
And you should want the same for you. Eighteen don't
mean a done thing. Stay in your children business, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Thanks doctor Rosie, thank you for sharing your fulceness this
morning and and all the work that you've done over
the years. Family. That's doctor ROSEI and Milligan. She's an author, publisher,
is stay planning. She allays been also believes she didn't
mention it. Also believes she got to have several streams
of income. That's for another topic that we'll talk about
with her. Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

(01:41:36):
seventy six, keep that number, Heney, you need for our
next guess what happens to be a chemtogis Brother Tony Browner,
Grand rising Brother Tony. Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
Okay, brother Carl, I'm glad to be back. And as
you notice, my voice is a little cracky. It'll get
better in a minute, but I'm getting over cold, so
please bear with me and I'll make the most out
of this opportunity we had together today.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
All Right, we need some hot water and a lemon
there to get you going, brother to I.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Got that I got I've been looking at and Kevin.
Kevin told me a couple of couple of things to
do to get my vocal cords warmed up. So give
me five minutes and I'll be sounding a little bit
like my old self.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Okay, cool, Uh, you got some good news for us
with doctor j Doctor Lennon Jeffreys. How's he doing?

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
Oh yeah, I had a conversation with brother Jay Small
the other day two days ago, and uh, you know,
we're just checking in and I asked him about doctor
j and how he was doing, and he was giving
me lots of good news. Mentally, Doctor j is is
doing much better.

Speaker 10 (01:42:44):
Uh you know, he still has some issues with dementia,
and he's been having some some physical issues because he
hasn't been very mobile.

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
And you know what happens with the elders when you're
immobilized in bed for a while, you developed bed swords
and other complications. So he's going through that right now.
But his attitude is much better. People are visiting him
regularly and just having visitors when you're in an environment,

(01:43:18):
a strange environment where you're doing recovery and what have you,
it boasters your spirits. So Brother James and the other
Sons of Africa are making him going to visit them regularly.
And that's what's so critically important keeping one's spirits up.
Doctor j and his wife's sister Roz are in their

(01:43:41):
nineties now, and so they're moving slower and then moving towards.
To be honest with you, and I do appreciate your
peror guests, Doctor Rosie. She was on it, she was real,
she was fire. And you know, we have to be
honest with ourselves. We have to be honest with our children,

(01:44:02):
we have to be honest with our family members. No,
no one lives forever. And when someone like doctor Alenn
Jeffries and doctor Roz Jeffries are not in the best quality,
when they're in decrining health, we have an obligation and
the responsibility. If we love them, if we love what

(01:44:22):
they live for, if we love what they dedicated their
lives too, we should be there for them and not
just talk about what they did and how great their
works were. We need to be with them through thick
and thin. So it's important to keep them lifted up
in your prayers. That's good, but to also support those

(01:44:44):
people who are making sure that they're checked on regularly
and are in a good mental state of being. Because
most of what we experience in our lives, most of
how we live our lives, is based on how we think.
So if you're thinking from a depressed state, if you're

(01:45:06):
thinking that you're on love, then that affects you emotionally,
it affects you mentally. And so if we love folks
Satday members, friends, scholars. If we love them, then we
should check in with them, not just when they're doing well,
but when when when they're not doing well, when they're
when their health may be the priding and ask them,

(01:45:29):
you know, what they need. I recall listening to doctor
Carr when he was in the prining health. I recall
him saying in the lecture, you know, just call and
check on me, ask me if I want some tea,
come over to the house and read to me. You know,
he had gone blind in the last decade of his life,

(01:45:50):
and he was a man, he was varicious reader, and
so he couldn't read books and magazines as he used to.
So folk would come by and just read to him
for an hour. And I can't tell you what that
meant to a man who devoted his life to lifting yourselp.
So there's always things that we can do, and we

(01:46:11):
shouldn't wait until someone dies to say, oh, I wish
I I had known this, I wish I'd done that,
And that same thought, that same desire should be extended
not just to our scholars or high profile personalities, it
should be extended to people in your own household. As
doctor Rosie was saying. It should be extended to your neighbors,

(01:46:35):
your neighbors across the street who may need their sidewalks
shoveled if it's snowing, may need help bringing the garbage
cans in. These are things that we can do for
each other because they affirm our humanity and they bring
us closer together as human beings. As advocates, we are

(01:46:58):
social people. That that is our essence, that is our nature.
And you know, I truly appreciated what doctor Rosie was
saying about. You know, people living in the same house
and they're in their own room, on their telephone, watching television,
playing video games, and nobody's communicating. So it's one of

(01:47:18):
the issues that we're having in our lives, in our
families and in our communities is that we've allowed technology
to replace one on one communications, so that so many
young people now do not know how to communicate with
another adult, don't know how to communicate with their peers,

(01:47:41):
and so we as adults, and specifically we as elders,
we have to model that. We can't just tell them
put that phone down, you know, don't do this, don't
do that, engage them in conversation, right, find ways to
get them to listen and encourage them to have common faces,
congratulate them, compliment them, and bring them out of their

(01:48:05):
shell and let them understand the value of human to
human contact. That's all right there, brother Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Yeah, hold, I thought right. We got to step aside
a few moments and we'll be back. Man and grand
Rising family. Thanks for staying with us on this Thursday morning.
I guess it's chematologist, brother Tony Browner. If you've got
a couple of friends, call him up right now, right
now and tell them turn on the radio. They'll thank you.
Telling the chemotologist Tony brown is on the radio. They're
going to learn a lot and they'll appreciate it. They'll
thank you for it. But brother Tony's he suited up

(01:48:33):
and ready to go, but he's playing injured this this morning,
so he's got to be an issue with his voice.
But he'll get better as we go on. So, brother Tony,
let's get you. You decided to write another book a
broader perspective. Can you tell us about the book? Why
you decided to do this issue this book at this point?

Speaker 4 (01:48:50):
For sure? Well call again. I apologize to your listeners.
I'm a little horse now. But I'm feeling good. The
brain is working and so just bear with me as
I had this conversation with Carl this morning. Yeah, Car,
I just finished My latest book is at the printer
now and we'll be available within the next three weeks.

(01:49:15):
I was on the phone with my printer, Paul Coast
the Black Class of Press, last night, and we're working
out the timeline for the production of the book and
when it should be in bookstores. So this book is
the third installment of Broader Foul Essays. I wrote the
first Brouder Foul in nineteen eighty nine. Broader Foul two,

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The Bible Strategies for Africans in America, was published in
nineteen ninety five, and this is my third installment of
Broader Foul Essays. So it's hard to believe that it's
been thirty years since I published my last major book.
Now I've done some smaller books since then. I've done

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a couple bounds graphs. Egypt on the Potomac is the monograph,
The Avatar Piece is the monograph, and the last one
I did was finding could recommend a book about my
excavations with the aster restoration project. So those are smaller
books one hundred pages or less. This book is me
going back to my source, me doing what I do best,

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and that is looking at history, looking at current events,
and extrapolating from that analysis important, critically important information that
will help us understand where we are, how we got
where we are, and what we can do better. So
the book is titled A Broader Perspective, and the subtitle

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of the book is My fifty year Journey to Enlightenment.
So what I'm doing now is looking back on the
last fifty years of my life. Carl, I'm now officially
and undeniably an elder. I'm seventy four years old, and
as I reflect on my life, I see now where

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this journey really began, back in nineteen seventy five, when
I met a brother here in Washington, d C. A
brother by the name of nanaquab and a Brown. Nnicaban
O Brown is an acind priest and he was one
of the first people in the DMV to bring the

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Akine traditions from Ghana, West Africa and introduce him to
the Washington, Washington, DC community. Well, I just graduated from
Howard in nineteen seventy four and like many people in
their early twenties, I hadn't figured out what I wanted
to do with my life. I hadn't even figured out

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who I was as a person. And a friend of
mine told me that there was this man in Southeast
DC who was doing classes on African spirituality. I was
non a carpent the Brown and I attended is seven
week class on African spirituality. And at the end of
that seven weeks, I now had a black print for

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my life and now who I knew who I was
as a person of African ancestry. I understood African spirituality
and the differences between African spirituality and traditional religions. There
are fundamental differences. Also learned about African concepts of life

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after death, which entails the ancestors and acknowledging those souls
who have preceded you and are now on the other side,
but who are still accessible to you. Those are our ancestors.
And then he also impressed me with this concept that

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we refer to in the West as reincarnation, But what
was known in the now Valley is the ghimi mitsu,
or of what was referred to as the repetition of
the birth. So this idea of this concept, Carl, if
you will that the body is tipperary, The body is finite.
It only lives and moves and functions for a presquaed

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period of time and then you die. But the body
is animated by different forces and ink in the Nile
Valley in Cuse they identify these forces the bay, the car,
the covey, it, the wren, the shadow, the name, and

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these are all aspects of your being that continue to exist.
Because as we know, if we study science, energy does
not just dissipate. It changes form, but it doesn't just dissipate.
So our bodies disintegrate and return back into the earth
and form new bodies are So when our body is

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no longer attached to a soul, that soul goes back
to that ram, that dimension of timelessness with souls reside.
Spirit is the power that is associated with the creative force,
the creative principles that we call God or our law
of Jemoba, and that is a force to permeate the universe,

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and it animates the soul and gives the soul the
energy to express itself inside of a body. So once
I had a clearer understanding of who I was as
a being with multiple beings inside of me. It gave
me an understanding of what I had the capacity to do.

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And at the end of that course, now Nicubin has
said something to stay with me for the rest of
my life. He said that what you do with this
knowledge were not only determine the quality of this life,
but it ultimately would determine the quality of the rest
of your lives, right the rest of your lives. So
when you think about it in that context, you know,

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if we do come back, and we do, then the
things that we think, stay and do in this lifetime
will shape the quality of the lives that we will
experience in future lifetimes. So once I got that, Once
I understood that, then that knowledge forced me to do right.

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Not because I was afraid of going to hell, but
not because I wanted to live eternity in heaven, but
because I understood that heaven and Hell our states of
being here on planet Earth, and that if I understood
how this energy expresses itself, then I could experience heaven
here on Earth, while those who did not understand these

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principles would be walking in hell every single day. So
this knowledge gave me a footing if you will, for
how I should live my life. And what's so important
CAR is that I was a child who grew up
loving our knowledge, loving education, reading, and I learned nothing
about this throughout my formal education process. When I was

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young in Chicago, I went to church with my grandmother.
I learned nothing about this in the church. When I
was at Howard University players of paternity, I learned nothing
at this in the paternity. So I began to realize
that there is knowledge out here that is crucial to
our ability to live and function as dynamic human beings

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that has never been a part of our formal educational process.
But that knowledge is there, and we have to know
that it exists, and we have to be fearless enough.
We have to be courageous enough to be able to
seek that knowledge and then incorporate it into our lives,
use what is meaningful and helpful, and that then allows
us to model what it means to be human, to

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be an example for other people. And the last thing
I'll say about my initial meeting with Nonicuavana Brown was
that he had a pretty extensive library, and as I
was perusing his library, I saw this book that captured
my attention. The book was written by an author by

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the name of Peter Tompkins, and it was called The
Secrets of the Great Pyramid. I borrowed that book from
Nicuavana Brown, and it was that book that first got
me interested in in ancient Egypt. And so I have
not stopped reading and traveling in Egypt since I opened
that book. So I can reflect on my life, I

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can reflect back to nineteen seventy five when I met
this man who changed my life and put me on
the path that has allowed me to favorably influence the
lives of tens of thousands of people all around the world.
So the rest of the book deals with my experiences.

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It deals with the other notable personalities who I have
been blessed to encounter, who I've been blessed to have
learned from. And I am a vessel which contains the
knowledge of scholars, of elders, of people that I love.
They poured that knowledge into me. And now that I

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am an elder, I am encountering younger people, people in
their thirties, forties, and fifties, who've read my books, who've
attended my lectures, and they're now coming to me asking
me for advice, seeking direction, and seeking insights. So this
book a broader perspective allows me an opportunity to honor

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those sisters and brothers who are no longer here who
poured themselves into me, and I can share their knowledge
with other young sisters and brothers who are looking for
a a black trend, if you will, to how they
can best live their lives so that they can be
fully functioning human beings and make contributions to themselves, to

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their families and their communities. And Carl, I would like
to thank you publicly. Thank you for writing the forward
to this book and just affirming the value that I
have sought to share with our community. So, my brother,
thank you so much. And I look forward to other

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opportunities to discuss the book once it's available and have
others share with you and share with others what they've
learned from this read.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
All right at twenty eight away from the topic, I
want to thank you because Tony, you're a national treasure.
Whenever you're on the radio, I gets so much responsible
people calling and all this please with what they hear
from you. So I got to ask you this question
because a couple of weeks ago, we had this discussion
on the air about is there a God? And I
don't know if you heard the discussion, but some people
say they're more confused than before the discussions started about

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whether if there is a deity, that somebody is superior
being other than us. Can you answer that question for
some of our folks who are in that area, Sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 4 (02:00:18):
So let's just let us be honest with ourselves and
let us be honest with the question. It's an excellent question,
and we have to be honest with how we unpacked
that question. Everything we know about God came from someone else,
and they acquired that knowledge from someone else, and so

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you can go back, you can go back, you can
go back. And every person who talks about God talks
about books that were written by people that they never knew.
And in these books people have written about a voice
that came to them or a mysterious being that appeared
to them a vision or in a burning bush. So

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we know, if we're honest with ourselves, that nobody, nobody
who is honest with you can tell you that they've
ever seen God. Right, So God is a concept, and
that's one of the things that doctor Ben often talked
about and God them in trouble. Some people got angry
with them for saying that. But let's be real. God

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is the concept. As a matter of fact, word God
is a German word. Every culture in every nation around
the world has their own concepts for this invisible presence
which some people refer to as God, which some people
refer to our lives, which some people referred to as
the Holy Ghost or the Spirit. So if we can

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just step back and look at it from that perspective,
then there are forces out here in this multiverse that
extend beyond the human brain's capacity to comprehend. That is real.
That is real, and so people have made a living,
people have made a fortune trying to describe what this

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unseen presence is. That's what religions are all about. So,
if we're honest with ourselves, if there's only one God,
and then let's just huge Christianity for an example, since
we live in a Christian nation. If there's only one God,
then why are there so many different Bibles? Why are
there so many different versions of this God's story? Why

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are there so many churches? Why are there so many denominations?
The presence of all these different interpretations means that no
one clearly has an understanding of what God is or
how God expresses itself. But the critical thing is that
every being, every people have a need to acknowledge an

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unseen force that is greater than themselves. That's real, that's
something that is a part of our psychological nature. And
so what has happened within traditional religion is because of
the fact that we live in a male dominated society,
God is portrayed as a man, and more specifically, because

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we live in a white, male dominated culture, God is
presented as a white man with a long flowing beard. Now,
if white people represent less than ten percent of the
world's population, and if you travel to other parts of
the world, as Ronoko Ushidi did, as Wayne Chandler did,

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as other scholars did, and talked to other people about
their concepts of God, this unseen Creator, than what you
will find is that in all of these other cultures,
all of these people identify a creator who looks like them,
a creator who comes from their own personal and cultural experiences.

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But the reason why Africans in America clinging to this vision,
this perception of a blonde hair, blue eyed Jesus is
because we were enslaved by white people who created this myth,
this lie of a blonde hair, blue eye Jesus. I

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called last week, last Thursday. If I'm not mistaken, you
had a brother from the uk or who had written
a book about the slave ship Jesus. And this is
an intelligent, articulate brother who is a Christian, who did
his research and he showed the extent to which the
Queen of England was responsible in creating all of the

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business institutions responsible for industrializing slavery and made it possible
for tens of millions of asking men, women and children
to be stolen and to be enslaved in the name
of God. Now those actions ended up them said, are
un godly. So we have to understand by giving that reality,

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some people still find it necessary to cling to their
oppressor's concepts of God.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
Because right and hold that thought right there, brother Tony,
I let you finish your thought on there. Sorry to
step away for a few moments. Interesting perspective about God.
It all started a few weeks ago. Family, You remember
the discussions, and I mentioned I asked brother Tony the
question because one of the people who were discussing, he says, man,
I'm still confused. I'm more confused than ever. It fears
a god. So Tony's breaking it down for us. You

(02:05:33):
want to join this conversation, reach out to him at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we'll take all your phone calls. Next and Grand
Rising Family thanks to staying with us on this Thursday
Morney with our guess that chematologists is that brother Tony
Brown has got a new book out. That's what we're
talking about. I'm also talking about the fact that is
there a god. We had this discussion earlier this week
of a few weeks ago about of there guidance I mentioned.

(02:05:55):
One of the folks who started discussion says he's more
confused now than ever after hearing it. Everybody's this is
if there is a god. So we got a brother
Tony here to break that down for us. Before we
go back to him, I just want to remind you
tomorrow is open for on Friday, We're gonna give you
a chance to free your mind, think for yourself, that's
all that means, and reach out to us starting at
six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten

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ten WLB and also in the DMV here I'm fourteen
fifty WL. And the person bro the London attorney that
Brother Tony mentioned was a fellow my name of Deli
a Gun. Deli a Gun. He wrote that book I
thought a slave ship called Jesus. And you can get
the copy of that book and see what he's talking about.

(02:06:36):
But brother Tony, I let you finish your thought. Is
there a God?

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
Sure? And so Carl is I share my comments. Let
me be clear, I'm not saying these words to disparage
anybody's religion, because everybody has the right to have their
own relationship with the Creator, however they interpret their Creator.
Not disparaging anybody, because we all need something in our lives,

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something to hold on to, something that gives us faith
if you will, and the courage to keep fighting. So
I'm not disparaging that. So please don't misinterpret what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is I have an inquisitive mind. I
grew up in the church my grandmother. My grandmother was
the most religious person I ever met in my life,
and I love her to life. But what I found

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when I went to church is that she couldn't answer
basic questions. You know, as a child growing up, she
had one of these old big Bibles that our grandparents
had with pictures of white Jesus and white angels and
white So I asked my grandmother, why is everybody in
the Bible white? She said, well, baby, that doesn't matter.
The color doesn't matter. But I went to church with her.

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I saw things going on with the church that as
a child I knew wasn't right. The pastor was having
a relationship with his deacons wife. There were things going
on that I knew who wasn't right. And so if
the church is supposed to be the house of God,
I saw these contradictions. So I began to question things,
and I began to step away from the church because

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it wasn't what I was told it was. And so
as I saw to get more answers to these questions,
I would read I read. You know, if anybody really
wants to understand God, read John Jackson's Christianity Before Christ.
John Jackson is one of the most eloquent writers about religion,

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and it gives you a very clear and concise understanding
about other people and other cultures throughout the world have
viewed this thing called God or viewed this thing called religion.
I've been blessed to have traveled to Israel. I went
to Israel was Reverend WILLI Wilson in two thousand. I've
been to Rome. I've been to the Vatican three times,

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and I can tell you, based on my own personal
experiences that thest that is one of the most unholy
places I've ever been in my life. There's such this
there's such this display of wealth that contradicts everything that
Jesus was supposedly about. And so when you start asking questions,

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you know, and the Catholic Church is supposedly the church
that was started by Peter, and it represents God's traditions
and Jesus's traditions. Well, why has there been all of
these stories and all of these lawsuits about pedophile priests,
priests molesting little boys, priests molesting little girls. And what

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I can tell you, what I can tell you call
based on what I know now. What I think is
that priests that I have talked to, Theologians that I've
talked to know that those teachings are not real, They're
not meant to be taken literally. I have a very
good friend who's a pastor, and he told me, Tony,
the Bible contains truth. But the Bible is not true.

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The book was never meant to be taken literally. It
was written in allegories, fables, and symbols for an illiterate people,
for people who couldn't read. So he created these ideas
and concepts that you're planting in people's minds in order
to get them to believe in a force outside of themselves.

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They controlled every aspects of their lives. So to a
large extent, religion has been used as a tool to
keep people in line. And so if we can grasp that,
then we can begin to separate our emotions from what
it is. But the other reality is is that I
know from our own personal experiences that there is a

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force what some people call God. They create a force
some people call my aud that is real, and that
when you acknowledge that force and know how to connect
with it, and know how to amplify the presences of
that force in your life, then you can do some
miraculous things. Carl, you refer to me as a chemicologist.
Some people call me an Egyptologist. Some people call me
an archaeologist because I've and excavating tunes, funding the excavation

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of tunes in Egypt for over fifteen years. Some people
call me a lecturer and a writer and all these things.
I can tell you now that I have no formal
training in any of those disciplines, but I have excelled
in all of them because I have a relationship. I
have a personal relationship with this force that people call God.
I don't see it through the European lens. I don't

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see it through the Jewish lens. I don't see it
through the Arabic lens. I see it through an African
centered lens. That helps me understand that this creative force
is available to anyone who acknowledges it and who knows
how to tap into it and use it. George Washington Carver,

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the Wizard from Tuskegee, wrote about this in his publication.
He talked about he will go out into the force
every morning before sunrise and walk in the force to
commune with his creator, and he would have conversations with
the Creator, and then he would come back to his

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laboratory after having cultivated this relationship, and then he would
communicate with the plants in his laboratory and ask those
plants to reveal their secrets to him. And that's how
he created for two hundred products from the peanut all
these other products from the soybeing another plant. So this

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is a spiritual connection to nature or the natural rule,
which Africans have known about for tens of thousands of years.
So in order for Europeans and Arabs, and I can't
let Arabs off the hook because seven hundred years before Europeans,
European Christians came into Africa to colonize and control and

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enslaved Africans, Arabs did it for seven hundred years. They
brought in Islam and used Islam to kill in the
name of Allah. That's real. And if we're going to
be honest with our discussion about God, about the Creator,
about our Loah, we need to be honest with the
history of how people have used these concepts to control

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and manipulate others. So what I'm really saying in summary
is that there is a force and you start to
show call with grand rising, grand rising. What is grand rising?
Grand rising is current nhru. Grand rising is a phrase
that was used in the Nile Valley encouraging people inviting
people to come forth by day, to come forth by day.

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They just to come into a new day when the
sun rises. And so the name of the sun when
it rises in the morning, that grand rising that's kept ray.
Kept Ray is an African word that identifies the rebirth
of this creative spirit in our lives. On this day,
when the sun reaches its highest point at noon, it

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was known as ray, was known as ray or acknowledges
the Creator on high. When the sun set and disappeared
beneath the horizon, it was called our men. Jews use
that word i'm in, Muslims use that word i'm in.
Christians use that word i'm in. Oman is a word
that comes straight out of the Nile Valley and identifies

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the unseen presence of the Creator. So people have identified
this unseen, I knowable source that is responsible for all
there is. And so what our ancestors have left us
is the means by which we can understand how this
force expresses itself within the environment. And this environment was

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referred to as nature, and in Chemic that term was nature,
which means the principles or the aspects of the one
powerful source of creation. So there are multiple aspects. There
are many different ways to know the Creator. There's not
just one way. It's not just one path. There's many

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different ways, and all of those ways I'm valid if
you're using them to know yourself and to cultivate meaningful
relationships with other human beings. If you are in saving
someone in the name of God, you don't know God.
If you're conquering somebody in the name of God, you

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don't know God. You are dealing with an avarition. You're
dealing with a distorted percession of spirituality which will condemn
any person to eternal hell for across multiple lifetimes. So
as this world is changing, and as Hugh was mentioned
that in her commentary, we live in a changing world.

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Quincy Jones said a song that said everything must change,
nothing remains the same. That's the beauty of life. We
are evolving people, and as we evolve, we are supposed
to grow. And as we grow, we gain more knowledge
and we apply that knowledge in our lives. And it
is through the application of the knowledge that we understand

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what works and we do life better and we can
we have the potential now to create things which will
make the quality of life better and the last thing
in our end on this note car because is you
know I can I can run when I get going,
when as ROSMN Jefferies will say, when the African Holy
Ghost hits me, I get going, and so and I

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and I do know and I do acknowledge. It's the
spirit of the ancestors that are working through me. Even
though my voice is sore, I ain't feeling the pain
right now because I have a message to impart to
those people who are prepared to hear it, and I
have enough sense to know that not everybody can hear it.
There's some folks who don't want to hear it, and

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that's okay. This message ain't for everybody. If this message
is for those people who realize times are changing and
the people the institutions that we have put our faith
has failed us in many instances. The federal government has
failed us, churches has failed us. Other institutions, banking institutions

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have failed us. And we're being exploited as human beings
have never been exploited before. And all of this is
coming to a head. And so what those who have
the presence of mind should be doing is preparing themselves
so that when this thing comes to a head, they

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will not their lives will not be turned upside down,
because there are many different ways to ground yourself. To
cloak yourself in the spirit of the ancestors or the
spirit of the creative forces, and protect yourself and insulate
yourself so that you will be able to create a

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new world, a new heaven here on earth. And that's
what human beings have always done. And call everybody who
has studied history knows that African people have done it
longer and better than any other people on the planet.
And it's now time for us to embrace our traditions,

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our values and do us as we've never done us before.

Speaker 1 (02:18:18):
Gotcha, Well, hold that all right there, sticks away from
the top. I got some folks want to talk to you.
It's got a Craig first. He's calling from Washington, DC's
online too, Grand Rising, Craig, you're on with Tony Browner.

Speaker 9 (02:18:29):
Grand Rising Brothers. Brother Quasi always ask the hard questions.
That's why we love him. He don't escape no reality.

Speaker 6 (02:18:39):
He give it to you. Brother.

Speaker 9 (02:18:42):
As a as a member of Union Temple, I sat
under Willy Wilson. I've sat under Willie Wilson since I
was seven years old. I'm sixty now, so I think
that I can ask this question. This is not a
trick question. This is the question we've been asking other
than God. With the mental capacity that we have as

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black people right now, should black people join the US military?
That's number one, That's the most important question I have.
And number two is if, like Willie Wilson has taught us,
we are gods children of the most High God. He

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taught me that since I was a child. I'm asking
you if we would have had the Book of Enoch
that we have been deprived of, that they study in
the Masonic Order in secret, all our questions of religion
and God would be answered. And that Book of Enoch

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is in the oldest Bible known to man, the Ethiopic Bible,
the whole Book of Enoch that has been deliberately taken out.
That's my question.

Speaker 4 (02:19:59):
Brother, Thank you, Thanks Rich Traig.

Speaker 1 (02:20:02):
Lit'sten step aside for a few moments, so when we
come back, I'll let the Brother Tony respond to your
to your questions, and we're step aside so our stations
can identify themselves down the line. Per the FCC family,
Youtubo can join our conversation with Tony Browner Chematologists. Reach
out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight to seventy six and we'll take all your phone
calls next time. Grind Rising Family, thanks for rolling with

(02:20:24):
us on this Thursday morning with our guest, that chemtalogist,
brother Tony Browner. Brother Tony's got a new book out.
We're going to talk about the book before he leaves.
But you got a question before we left for the break.
We're from Craig in Washington, d C. About joining the
US military and also about the Book of Enoch. So
brother Tony, I respond to Craig's questions.

Speaker 4 (02:20:41):
Okay, great, Well, the first thing I'm going to do
is thank Craig for calling. And I also wanted to
give a big shout out to REVERI Wilson pass or
Union Temple Baptist Church founding Paths of Union Temple Baptist Church.
As I mentioned, I went to Israel and Egypt with
Junior Temple and Reverie Willie Wills in two thousand. We
did a study toured Egypt with Reverend Wilson the year

(02:21:04):
before that, and so Rever Wilson is one of the
few ministers black and white in this city who acknowledges
the African origins of these traditions. He's the only minister
I know who has a picture of a black Jesus
in his pulpit. He's the only minister I know who

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has pictures of the Twelve Disciples that are depicted as
as African American ancestors. Plus Minister Louis FAIRKRD. So he
has a non traditional approach to Christianity. And as a
result of Reverend Wilson's brilliant approach the teaching the Gospels,

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He's hated by other Christian ministers. He's hated because Rever
Wilson tells it like it is. He tells his parishioners
that this is an African book about African people. And
so he brings a certain level of freedom, if you will,
to his interpretation of scripture. And so I will be

(02:22:06):
doing Quazam next Saturday, the twenty seventh of December, at
Union Temple Baptist Church at seven o'cart. I've been doing
Quasams at Union Temple ever since December of nineteen eighty six,
when I did my first appearance on the Cathay Hughes
Morning Show on w WELM. So I'm tethered to Reverend Wilson.

(02:22:28):
We're joined at the help and I support everything this
man does because he is a fearless defender of the truth. Now,
with regards to Craig's questions, I'm gonna ask for them succinctly.
Regarding black folks joining the military. Now, me personally, I
wouldn't join the military because my thoughts are a little
bit too radical. But I know hundreds of people, even

(02:22:49):
family members of mine, who joined the military, and they
gained skills, they gain health insurance, they gain the ability
to access loans to go to college, loans to buy
a house. So if he joined the military, you used
the military, don't allow the military to use you. I

(02:23:09):
remember for the show a couple of weeks ago, someone
asked James Marrow that question, and so James James's answered
to that question is the same as mine. You used
the military, don't allow the military to use you. James
talked about how he and other people in the Navy,
I believe he was in the Navy, that they were
kind of you just objectives. They were in the military,

(02:23:30):
but they refused to go to war. There are things
that you can do when you organize. I know plenty
of brothers who were in the military who brought me
over to Massaa, Japan in nineteen three, nineteen ninety four
to do presentations. Brought me over to your coda. I
spoken at dozens a military basis because the black folk
in the military who understood the value of what I

(02:23:53):
was teaching, and they used my position. They used DEI
which was available then to bring people like me out
to share historical information. They use my books in the
classrooms and the schools in the military. So use the military.
Take a page out of the school who set by
the door. Use the military. Get training and weapons, get

(02:24:13):
training and strategies, get training and organizing. That the park
was in the military, that the card was a sergeant
who oversaw supplies, get skills. And then after you leed
the military, because you're going to be out of the
military long as you've been in the military, applyed those
skills in your community, in your life. So to that extent,

(02:24:34):
join please force be like tyrone power. Join the FBI,
Join the CIA, Join the NSA, Join all these institutions
and organizations, because we need inside men and inside women.
Not everybody who's in these institutions is a trader. There
are people who gained valuable skills, and I've been the
beneficiary of people who shared information with me as a

(02:24:57):
result of having been in those organization and peak behind
the curtains. So I would say, use every opportunity available
to you to lift yourself up, and if you lift
yourself up, lift others around you. With regards to the
Book of Enoch, I have not read the Book of Enoch,
so I can't speak to that book with any any

(02:25:18):
degree of specificity. But I can tell you that there
are many books that never made it in the Christian Bible.
There are sixty six books in the current version of
the King James version of the Bible, the most read
book in history. But there are many books, dozens of
books that never made it. Those books are used in
other religions, Those books that are available in various forms.

(02:25:41):
Those books are available in libraries today, so you can
read that information now. With regards to the Ethiopians, so
let me share this about Ethiopia, I've been in Ethiopia
three times. I've seen the Christian churches, the stone churches
of Lallabella. I've been to oxen and what I can
tell you is there, while Ethiopians have a profound understanding

(02:26:02):
of Christianity, a profound understanding of Judaism, there is a
distortion in their interpretation. The last time I was in Ethiopia,
that was in twenty twenty thirteen, I believe I was
there with doctor Jeffries Rosne and Jeffries, doctor Julius Garby

(02:26:24):
and host of Butther Pope. We participated in a conference
where I gave a presentation on the African origins of Christianity.
And I could tell you we visited these Christian monasteries,
and in these Christian monasteries, the Europeans have their hands
up in the Ethiopian religion and they have gone they
have done away with the images of the black, dark eyed,

(02:26:49):
dark hair, brown skinned Jesus and replaced him with the
blond hair, blue eyed Jesus. So there is corruption within
the Ethiopian Christian and Orthodox religion. And and and and
and there's this whole thing about the the Ethiopians having
the Ark of the Covenant. Right uh in Oxenen, there's

(02:27:10):
a church there where they there's a priest who supposedly
guards the ark of the Covenant. Well, let me be
clear about stating this. The whole concept of the Ark
of the Covenant comes out of Kimmin, comes out of
the Nile Valley, Cush and Kimmin, And that every temple
and Kush and Kimmith had a Holy of holies, and
every Holy of Holies had a sacred artifice that was

(02:27:33):
referred to as the Ark of the Covenant. So that's
not exclusive to Judaism, that's not exclusive to Ethiopia. So
we've got to expand our minds and free ourselves from
the prisons that most religions have put on our brains
in order to get us to worship a god that
they never served us. Right, So we can go on

(02:27:55):
to the next calarcaust.

Speaker 1 (02:27:58):
All right, Kareem's calling from Baltimore's on nine three Grand
Rising Kareem with Tony Browner.

Speaker 11 (02:28:05):
Hey, piece, how y'all doing. I I have a question.
I'm a I'm a student of doctor Ian Knows. So
just give my background. I doctor Ian doctor.

Speaker 5 (02:28:20):
I yes, yes, all right?

Speaker 11 (02:28:23):
So and what we I studied with him mistraditional Chinese medicine,
which is my understanding, is from Africa. Also the concept
of beginning young is from Africa.

Speaker 4 (02:28:36):
If we.

Speaker 12 (02:28:38):
Study ourselves and the history of the world, it always
leads us. I'm finding that it always leads us back
to Africa and that concept. Would you suggest that as
individuals trying to find self, that it is important or

(02:28:58):
the importance of reading, studying and then finding someone who
is somewhat of a master that can guide you, because
I think a lot of times we got ourselves thinking
that we are on the right path. But in ancient times,
the Yellow Emperor learned from a twelve year old black

(02:29:21):
girl named sue Yins. So we all have to have
guidance in our understanding. What is the proper way to
do that or is that important?

Speaker 4 (02:29:32):
Oh no, no, thank you, thank you brother. That's a
very important question. And answering that question, I can refer
to doctor Rosie who was on the segment before me.
She gave very practical advice. Even after your children are grown,
they are still your children. Even after your children are married,

(02:29:56):
they're still your children, and you should be up in
their business. So this idea of eldership is something that
was understood that is better understood in most cultures than
it is here in America, because America propagates this false
notion of individuality. There are no individuals in any society
that is going to thrive. There is this hierarchy that

(02:30:19):
is rooted in eldership, and there is this ingrained respect
for elders. Any society that does not respect its elders
is a society that's doomed to fail. And so the
elders have lived experience. Every young person should sit at
the foot of an elder and allow them to pour

(02:30:41):
their knowledge into you. Why because you will be an
elder sometimes and you will have an obligation and the
responsibility to do the same to another young person. So
what I would encourage Koreans and listeners to do is
I see too many people, too many young people who

(02:31:01):
see themselves as their own leader. And that's a fatal
flaw because just as they say, a person who represents
themselves as their attorney in the court of law has
a fool for an attorney. Everybody can benefit from studying
under someone who knows more than they They can guide

(02:31:25):
you and they can bring you along the pass. So
to that end, and our clothes in this statement and
as commit Georgie and James talked about the ten virtues
the prerequisites for human development. In identifying the ten virtues
of the latter virtues, talk about confidence in the ability
of a master teacher to IMpower information to you, confidence

(02:31:48):
your capacity to learn from the master teacher. And then
the tenth virtue, you going out into the world to
apply what you've been taught. And the other important thing
in our clothes is that in the Now Valley educational system,
one hit to study under elitis for forty two years
before you were even allowed to open your mouth. Forty

(02:32:12):
two years. Just think about that for a minute. All right,
Thanks Green, all right, thank you, appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:32:21):
Twelve out of the top. Brother Gregor is checking in
from Charlotte Ashahn Line two. Grand Rising Brother Gregor, You're
on with Tony Browner.

Speaker 13 (02:32:28):
Yes, Grand rising Brother Paul and grand Rising Brother Tony Browner.
First of all, I just want to say thanks to
you for your research and for your publications, your books
from the Browder Files and especially Now Valley Civilizations. I
was in graduate school when I first saw the book,
and all I could say when I saw the cover

(02:32:50):
was wild that a brother had put something like that
together for his people. So thank you for those publications.
Dr Browner, Yes, sir. The reason I called when I
do bring up the issue of birthright citizenship, I sometimes
mentioned that you and brother mentioned the idea of a
cataclysmic event that it could affect black people sometime in

(02:33:12):
the future. And when I looked at the research, I
saw that the US Supreme Court in October they announced
they're reviewing the Voting Rights Act, and they also in
December this month they announced that they're reviewing birthright citizenship.
And in the military, that's my background, we have an

(02:33:34):
old time saying hope for the best, but prepare for
the worst. And when I was looking at the facts
about the Supreme Court, it is possible Dr Browner, that
in July of twenty twenty six, the black community and
the civil rights community, we could receive something like a

(02:33:56):
Mike Kyson one two punts, a nullification of the Voting
Rights Act and at the same time, a notification of
birthrights citizenship on the same day, in the summer of
twenty twenty six from the US to Prime Court. So
I wanted to ask you, do you see that as
a possible cataclysmic event for the black community losing both

(02:34:19):
of those foundational rights that we we had for over
one hundred and fifty years, and what do you see
we could do in the future, from say New Year's
Day twenty twenty six to July first, twenty twenty six,
to prepare for the possibility that these could be the
rulings from the USU Prime Court.

Speaker 4 (02:34:40):
Well, thank you, brother Gregory for your insights and that
very proving question. Let's let us be clear that from
the very founding of this nation two hundred and fifty
years ago, the pedophiles George Washington, the pedophiles Thomas Jefferson,
pedophile James Madison, all of these white men who are

(02:35:04):
the constitutional fathers of this country in slaves African people
and had sexual relationships with their female men, women, boys
and girls. That's real, that's documented. So I don't hold
these people high up on the pedestal. I see the
Constitution as an incredible document for a flawed document, and

(02:35:26):
so these amendments to the Constitution were written in order
to correct some of the flaws. But we also need
to understand that there have always been forcing, demonic forces
at work in this government. We got to be honest
with ourselves and that this country was established not as
a democracy but as a slave oocracy, a corptocracy, it

(02:35:52):
was a corporations, it was businesses. When this country was established,
only wealthy white men over the age of twenty one,
who were landowners, they were the only ones allowed to
participate in this government. So we've been had, we been hood,
we we've been bambuzom. And now, if nothing else, the

(02:36:12):
last twelve months have demonstrated to us very clearly as
to how this government has always functioned. Big business people
have always bought the politicians who have written the laws
that preferred them big businesses. So we're seeing that like
never before. We need to accept that reality. So the

(02:36:33):
Supreme Court works for politicians, and politicians work for big government.
So we've been seeing corporations acknowledged as individuals. We've been
seeing the chipping away of human rights. So it's not
just black folk who are in trouble. Everybody in this
country is in trouble. And it could happen in June

(02:36:56):
July of next year, as you stated, it could happen
at the end of this year. It happened you ask
the Nates. But what's inevitable is that this country is declining.
It's rapidly declining. And so I don't know when it's
going to hit rock bottom, but it's clear we're witnessing
right now the disintegration maga. We're seeing the rats jumping,

(02:37:21):
the shipping, the sinking ship. Martinie Taylor Green is going.
Other Republicans now have finally gotten a spy and stinking
out against all of the corrupt things that are happening
by this current administration.

Speaker 1 (02:37:36):
Right there, Tony, I'll let you expounded that when we
come back, and they also tell us too. For the
folks that didn't hear when you first made that announcement,
a cataclyst making that bring us all together, explain why
you said that and explain what all that means. Family,
You two can get in on this conversation with Tony Browner.
Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

(02:37:58):
next time. Grind rising family, and thankious ticking with us
on this Thursday morning. And I guess this chematologist brother
Tony brown it's got a new book out. We're going
to talk about his book as well. Before we left,
Gregory Brother, Gregory and Charlotte, I said that I wanted
some explanation about what he thinks would be this clatachismic
event that will bring black people together. I mean, just
like before I let Tony respond, just we just found

(02:38:19):
out yesterday the black unemployment rates is swored to eight
point three percent last month, and that's the highest level
since the pandemic of four years ago. And so is
could that be or could be what brother Gregory talked about?
Brother Tony?

Speaker 4 (02:38:34):
Sure, so, car you asked me to comment on the
statements that I've made in previous appearances on the show
about a catechorism, and what we know this is basic
human nature. It takes a catastrophe to force people to
come together and do the things that they should have
been doing a long time ago, whether that catastrophe is Katrina,

(02:38:55):
or is an earthquake in Haiti or to make or
any other part of the world. So it takes a
tragedy for people to stop being selfish and to begin
to come together for their own collective interests. The fires
in California in La last last January are catastrophes. So

(02:39:17):
what I wanted your listeners to look at is don't
just look at one catastrophe. Life is a series of catastrophes.
Right life is a series of catastrophes. My offer was
a catastrophe. Jim Crow was a catastrophe. The end of
Dea is a catastrophe. The burden in conference with Europeans
deciding to carver up Africa and colonize Africa was a catastrophe.

(02:39:40):
We've always dealt with catastrophes. The key is how do
we dig our way out. That's the important thing. You
don't wait to get in trouble to start figuring out
what you should be doing. Now the time to begin
to start planning right, So you don't wait until you're
ill to start focusing on getting better. A smart person

(02:40:02):
find ways to take steps to prevent from getting illness.
And so it's important that we understand me. Let me
just share this with the car because it helps to
put things into context. John Jackson one of my favorite scholars,
one of my favorite scholars of all time, because he
was so real, He was so down, He was so
plain and basic. John Jackson said the masters are asses.

(02:40:24):
In other words, what he was saying is that the
majority of people are stupid. Why not because people are
naturally stupid, They've been socialized they've been miseducated to be dysfunctional.
And so the more dysfunctional you are, the more you
can be exploited by big business and politicians and ministers.

(02:40:45):
Let's be let's be real, let's just talk truth. And
so there's always been people who have separated themselves from
the masters, who've studied, who've traveled, who have been viewed
as outsiders, but they were the ones who preserves the
information that was going to be used to jumpstart civilization
when it falls. So every time there's a catastrophe, there's

(02:41:08):
always people who helped jump start things again and things
come back better. So Black people, African people have gone
through more catastaphes than anybody else. So we know how
to survive, we know how to come back. Gets in
us and so what we need to begin to do
is to prepare ourselves for the catastrophes in a coming
where there's the events that Gregory was talking about in

(02:41:31):
in July of next year, or something else that we
don't know of that's handled our way. Be prepared. That's
the old boy scout battle. Be prepared. And let me
just share a couple of things with you and your
listener's car before we move forward to the next caller.
The House of Representative just pass bill HR fifty HR

(02:41:53):
fifty one. There's a law that the white members of
Congress have passed in the District of Columbia to lower
the age that a child could be charged as an
adult for a crime. That age has been lowered from
sixteen to fourteen. Now, who is that gonna impact. That's
gonna impact young black boys primarily, and what does that mean.

(02:42:14):
It means the white folks have already taken over Chocolate City.
It ain't Chocolate City no more is late Land. And
since the mayor Mario Bauser has announced that she's not
gonna run for re election for a fourth term, the
stage is set. And listen to me very carefully, particularly
you Native Washingtonians. The stage is set for DC to

(02:42:37):
have his first white mayor. What I'm afraid could happen
is that black politicians on the city Council are gonna
also their hat in the ring, and they're gonna divide
the black vote and the white person is gonna come
in and win the majority share of the votes and
become the next mayor of DC. That's a strong possibility

(02:43:01):
that it will happen the next year's election, and if
it does, you'll see another catastrophe in the making, because
I've been saying this for years, but I see it coming.
When DC gets a white mayor, then it won't be
long before DC gets Stagshood and DC will get statehood.
And if you look at where things are going politically

(02:43:24):
d C. The Republicans are running d C right now.
They're running this town like gangsters, like al Capone ran
in Chicago. And so I would not be surprised if
they're going to throw dark money into this upcoming president
to race and get a white candidate, sow money behind
them so that they become the mayor, and they slip
and become a Republican and d C then will become

(02:43:46):
a Republican land city and DC will get stays heod.
There's a reality, there's a very strong reality that that
could happen. And consider this Bury Bowser trying to appease
the current president of the United States eracing over Black
Lives Matter Plaza, see race over that street. And now
there's talk in DC of white folk renaming what used

(02:44:11):
to be Black Lives Matter Plaza. To Charlie Kirk plaza.
All right, Charlie kirk Plaza, this racist white Christian Let's
be clear. He used Christianity as a means to gavanize
white people and their hatred for black folk and immigrants.
So we gotta be real. This is a catastrophe. And

(02:44:31):
if we don't understand how religion has been used as
a means to divide people, we'll be bamboozed again. All Right,
we can go to the next Cali, carl all right.

Speaker 1 (02:44:41):
Twenty eight. At the top of that next call is
Panther calling from Washington, DC's online to Grand Rising. Panther,
you're on with Tony Browner. It's Panther out there. All right,
let's let's move on.

Speaker 4 (02:44:54):
To hear me.

Speaker 14 (02:44:56):
Yeah, we can hear you out, Okay, grand to you
and your distinguished just learning so much.

Speaker 4 (02:45:03):
From you both.

Speaker 5 (02:45:04):
I would like to say this, You know, we in
the times where we need to really.

Speaker 14 (02:45:08):
Seek the truth and just know who's oppressing us, exploiting us,
who's greedy, who's causing all this confusion, who's just been
killing us year after year after year. And I think
the only way we're gonna really ever have true peace
is take out that chosen few because until we do,

(02:45:33):
they on a march now where they just trying to
take full control of greed, colonization, lines, stealing, double dealing,
until we all come together and say, I'm saying, we
those that really want true peace and justice and equality,
black or white, mostly black, because we're the ones that

(02:45:54):
suffer from these devils, mostly until we all come together
as one, because they made weapon is a divide and
conquer and they know as long as they can keep
us divide and conquer, they gonna use the your double
means to continue to explore us, oppress us, kill us,

(02:46:14):
rule over us, and for the reasons of greed and
lust and whatever else they got in mind, until we
come together and say enough.

Speaker 1 (02:46:24):
Introduce family, because we've got a bunch of folks want
to talk to Brother Tom. We got the gist, got it,
I got it, I got it.

Speaker 4 (02:46:29):
I gotta stay in the car, you can, you can
kind of loose man. The bottom line question, how we're
gonna come together to save ourselves? I got it, I
got it. That's the kids. We're not gonna come together,
all right. When we are not gonna come together, we
have to come We have to first together within ourselves.

(02:46:50):
So My question you've paid is what are you doing
to make your life better? What are you doing to
make your community better? What are you doing to make
your family stronger? That's where it starts. And so when
you have to model that for everybody in your household
and everybody in your community. So until every individual does that,
there is no weed, there is no coming together. So

(02:47:12):
the oldest has always been on us. The solutions to
all of our problems have always been within us. So
people need to stop talking, People need to stop preaching,
people need to start doing doing. That's the only thing
that matters. That's the only thing that counts. Stop complaining.
I'm not but I'm just listen to me, brother, listen

(02:47:37):
to me, all right, because I'm not talking about you specifically.
I'm just putting some thoughts out here. So what I
would love for you to do. What I would love
to hear you say the next time you call in
on the show, this is what I'm doing. These are
your folk in my community who I'm working with to
help secure my community. Were getting rid of the drug boys.

(02:47:58):
We're making our community safe so our children can play outside.
That's what I want to hear you say, because that's
where it starts. I want to see you model that.
I want to see you demonstrate that for other people
who are looking to you for an example. That's where
it begins, all right. So we don't have to wait
for somebody to save us.

Speaker 1 (02:48:16):
We have to save.

Speaker 4 (02:48:17):
Ourselves, and we begin it by making a declaration of independence,
to free ourselves and modeling that for every black lives
that matters to us. That's how it starts. Brother, to
start where you are and build out from there. Thanks man, Dad,
I'm asking you to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:48:35):
Twenty get away from the top of YEA. Let's go
to line five. Go Chicago, brother, and Kelsey's waiting for us.
Grand rising brother and Kochy your question for a brother,
Tony Browner.

Speaker 6 (02:48:45):
Grand right, uh and Yambo, My brothers. I would like
to thank Brother Milder for the kept ray grade and
amen contributions to my daily prayer. Have a question, a
historical question. I'm an errodact compared to Europe about but

(02:49:07):
I want you to critique the validity of this statement
that South Africa the Zulu were among the last to
be colonized by outside forces on the County of Africa
and the Ethiopia, which was an empire of various extents

(02:49:28):
at different times, was once colonized in Lower Egypt by
Arab Muslim. If you could critique that statement for me
and my brother, I would appreciate it. And I'll hang
up and miss Sante Son.

Speaker 4 (02:49:45):
Okay, sure I didn't fully grasp your question, but if
I can do the best I can to answer base
on what I I think I heard. Well, what I
can say this about Ethiopia, it's the northern part of Ethiopia,
where the Muslims are. In the southern part of Ethiopia
is where you have what I refer to as the

(02:50:07):
root culture, where you have the people who were essentially
responsible for developing what later became the essence of non
valley civilization. Within southern Ethiopia, you have the people who
have a festival it's called the Richie Festival, in which
they literally commemorate what we refer to him as is

(02:50:31):
sorry and drama and that story. And I got this
from Holly Grima and Ethiopia himself, filmmaker used to teach
at Howard University, was thank over a bookstoring video. The
Richie Festival acknowledges the story the fame of the myth
of a sorry as set and that story comes out
of Ethiopia, and it's over ten thousand years old. And

(02:50:52):
so the point that I think you were making is
that we have within African culture, ancient African culture, all
the tools we need to liberate us. We have God concepts,
we have family values and traditions that are thousands of

(02:51:13):
years old and are just waiting now to be rediscovered
and applied in our lives. So what I would ask
those sisters and brothers who are interested in making a
meaningful contribution to our society, study those cultures. I am
an aspect of that culture that you can relate to,
that you can articulate, and then share that knowledge with

(02:51:37):
black folk in your community, to educate, to enlighten, to
empower young sisters and brothers in your community, and then
spread that outward. That's how we do this thing. That's
how we ensure our continued existence regards as to any
our catasrophe that may be awaiting us. And the other

(02:51:59):
thing is, again I'm glad that the statement that Miss
Hugh's aired again in the last break, Miss Hughes says
the change is inevitable, but how you handle change determines
your future. So now is the time to begin to
prepare yourself for the inevitable changes that are coming. And

(02:52:23):
by doing so, preparing yourself properly, you can prepare yourself
for all of the futures that are to come. The
future is indefinite. The future is always coming. It's always coming,
and so we're going to be a part. Aspects of
ourselves would be a part of every future. So what

(02:52:44):
aspect of yourself do you want to benefit from the
futures that you have set in motion right now? So
what you do today, what you do now, determines the
rest of your lives. And that's you know. That would
be if I had a Christmas gifts to give to
your listener's call, it will be that, don't spend your
money next week buying gifts, making corporations even richer and

(02:53:09):
you going into debt the following year. Spend your time
being steal Next Sunday, the twenty first, is the Solstics.
That is when you should be still and get to
know your God by whatever name you call your God.
For those four days, you should be a meditation, You
should be in prayer, you should be fasting, You should
not be gorging yourselves. You should not be going out

(02:53:33):
to parties and chasing skirt and drinking alcohol. You should
be steale. You should center yourself so that on December
of the twenty fifth, the day six thousand years ago
when the sun, the sun was born, a new you
can be born, a new consciousness can come forth and

(02:53:53):
create a new life in a better world. That is
the opportunity that is given to every person on this
place in it every single year. And so when you
know these principles and concepts and ideas, when you align
yourself to these teachings, which are older than the Koran,
older than the Bible, older than the Torah, you will

(02:54:14):
find this wisdom that has always been waiting for you.
To be still and to hear the voice of your ancestors,
embrace you in their loving arms and tell you what
you need to do, which you need to do for yourself,
not for anybody else, but for yourself. Start with yourself. First,

(02:54:34):
Start with your household. First, get your family together, build
for eternity within your household, and then move forward into
the world. And then joint hands with other people who
have done the same, and you will see the world
become a mess better.

Speaker 1 (02:54:52):
Place, well said, Hold up, all right, then, Brother twenty
got some more folks want to talk to you. Twenty
two minutes away from the top day, I got to
step aside for a couple of minutes. We're back with
your questions for Tony Browder. You want to join this discussion,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone
calls next and grind rising family. Thanks for staying with
us on this Thursday morning with I Guess. Then came

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a talks brother Tony Browder. Brother Tony's got a book
coming out. It's called a Broader Perspective. My fifty year
Journey to Enlightenment is from the Browder File, Volume three,
and it's gonna be up before the end of the year.
We'll talk more about and Antonio will tell us how
you can I Guess pre order your copies before he
leaves us this morning. Also want to remind you tomorrow
is Friday, and this we'll give you a chance to
free your mind. All that means is the thing for

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yourself and leave the talking points behind and show it's
called an open phone Friday and you can start taking
the We'll start taking the calls at six am Eastern
time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and
also in the DMV on fourteen fifty w L. All right,
brother Tony, got some more folks you want to talk
to you. Cliff is calling us from Baltimore is online
to grind Rising. Cliff your question for Tony.

Speaker 15 (02:55:55):
Browner, Gwen Rising, Kings and queens. From the sound of
my voice, I was just started to ask what is
the meaning of uh anti Semitic? And ke invite me
on what does that mean? And how can they say
to the anti Semitic if we are the true Jews?

Speaker 6 (02:56:11):
Are we not? Or slain?

Speaker 15 (02:56:14):
And I take my commerce off the thank you so much,
I have a good dess.

Speaker 4 (02:56:17):
Well sure sure, sure, well, as Hissband says, he who
controls the definition controls the conversation. So you have to
first identify what a Semite is. Semi means partial, so
a semie to someone who is the way the term
has been used, who is part part semi right? So

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who are the semis? Arabs? Are semis Jews of Semis?
And before these people were classified racially classified since there
is no such thing as race. Talking about definitions, Uh,
they were Africans, So anyone who is anti Semitic is
anti those those group of people. So these are terms

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that have been used and misused and the viused and
misinterpreted in order to divide people. So let's let's just
be clear about a couple of things. There is this
thing that has always been in existence called afrophobia, which
is the fear of African people, a fear of black people,

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and that's that preceded anti Semitism. That has always been
an issue, but it hasn't gotten the promotion as these
other terms have gotten. We're not clear about who we
are as African people. We got black folk now debating
whether or not you know we're African or or or
you know. This all has a confusion out here, and

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so the best way you can control the people is
by divide and rule. So we have to be clear
about definitions and the concepts associated with definitions. Which is
why when Malcolm in his autobiography UH talked about when
he was in print that he read the Dictionary from
A to zre to be clear of our definitions and terminologies.

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So whoever determines definition controls the conversation, So make sure
you know what you're talking about right, and then articulate
your points of view to those people who you want
to lift up. It's a waste of time to argue
with your enemy. It's a waste of time to argue
with the full has construction discussions with people who you

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can deal with. We don't have time to engage in arguments.
We should be spending all of our time from this
breath forward building with like minded people who understand what's
at stake and are willing to commit themselves to something
bigger than themselves. That's my response, brother, all.

Speaker 1 (02:58:49):
Right, fourteen away from the top of the elle, let's
go to line five, average color from Prince George's County,
Everett Grand Rising. Your question for Tony.

Speaker 16 (02:58:57):
Browner, My question rising for both of you. My question
is when is mister Browner going to do Egypt on
the now here in Washington, DC? And second of all,
is he going to be sponsoring any more trips to Africa?

Speaker 6 (02:59:14):
Again?

Speaker 9 (02:59:15):
And so when thank you all.

Speaker 4 (02:59:17):
Right, cool, thank you brother for this opportunity to do
a shameless plug. You can go to my website ikg
danshinfo dot com IKG Dance I NFO dot com. You'll
find information on my final study tours Egypt. I'm doing
my last study tours Egypt in July next year. In

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December next year, I would have made seventy trips to
Egypt by next year, and I'm ready to turn the
page in this chapter of my life and start doing
some other things. Those details on my website you mentioned
our Egypt on the Matoming Field trip. Our field trip
season runs from April through November. It's an outdoor activity,
so we don't do them when they're whole. Next year,

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twenty twenty six will mark the fortieth anniversary of Egypt
on the Potomac. I had no idea in nineteen eighty
six when I started this thing that it would have
this type of longevity, and so I'm always revisiting information.
So our Egypt on the Potomac Field Trip for twenty
twenty six is going to be profoundly different. I got

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new information as I've been sharing with folk. I'm now
old enough to have a greater understanding of what I
thought I knew. Right, I know a lot, but now
I have a better understanding of what I thought I knew.
I know how to connect the dots. I see how
things are related in the manner of which I couldn't

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see before. So moving forward, my work is going to
be upgraded. It's going to be a serious upgrade. It's
going to be tighter than it was before. So Egypt
on the Potomac is going to be a new experience.
So you can go to our website get details or
our schedule. It's not posted yet, so by the first

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and next year we'll have our new schedule up. Carl
has mentioned I got a new book coming out. It
just went to the printer day before yesterday. So the
book won't be in bookstores until say the week of
the eleventh of January, because it's got to be printed,
it's got to ship to the distributors, and the distributors

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there have to distribute the books to the various bookstores.
But you will be able to order the book on
my website IKG dash info dot com. You won't be
able to and I'm sure I'll be back on Carl
Show before before the book is released to talk about it,
but to give your heads up. Next Saturday, the twenty
seventh of December, I'll be doing the Quanza event at

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Union Temple Baptist Church. Paul has promised me that I
may have a couple of copies of the book available
there to sell at that event. I promise, whether not
to of everyone's place in Baltimore, that I'll do something
for them for Quansa on the thirtieth of December in Baltimore,
so stay tuned the brother Nazi and then on Saturday,

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January seventeenth, twenty twenty sixth, we will have the formal
book launch of my tenth or eleventh publication from the
Broader File, Volume three three, A Broader Perspective my fifteen
year Journey to Enlightenment. That event will be held at
the Third and Marshall Center, where offices our base eighteen

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sixteen twelve Street from noon to two. We'll be providing
more details. Information will be on our website be posted
on social media. So just stay tuned, continue to listen
to Carl. I've taken some ads out. I'm following doctor
Jerol Fox's lee and I'm going to take out some
ads on WL, so you'll be hearing ads on WL

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advertising the book, and I encourage you all while you
can get my book from from Amazon, you will be
able to get it from white bookstores. I'm encouraging you.
I'm begging you all to support black bookstores. Support Senko
for video and books, support hogy Les, support Everyone's Place
in Baltimore, support IKG, support black businesses. That's how you

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invest right, That's how you avoid calamities. Because all of
these black bookstores are threatened by Amazon. Jeff Bezos has
got a gazillion dollars. Jeff Bezos doesn't give a damn
about black folk. Only one is your money. So yeah,
you can get my book on Amazon, but get it
from a black bookstore first. And yeah you might pay

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a few pennies more, but give those few pennies to
a black person who's gonna invest in you. This is
our plaring car fo. Either we're gonna support each other
and get each other's back, or we're gonna allow our
persons to run us in the ground. And if they
run us in the ground, it's our fault because we
did not do well. We've always said the compare to do.

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It's a shame. It is the same at this point
in time and history that we got to beg and
plead with black folks to spend their money with black businesses.
That's commonplace. Everybody else does it. So let's be serious.
Let's start blaming other people. Let's start lifting ourselves up
by beginning with our individual selves first. Don't point the

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finger at somebody else. Look at what you're doing, and
do you better in twenty twenty six. Be a better father,
be a better husband, be a better wife, be a
better son, be a better daughter. Right, be a better
community person. That's our saving grace. That's how we have
always been able to succeed as the people, because we

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have always been able to come together like nobody else
and do the impossible with nothing. That's our forte folk.
And so whatever concept of God you may pray to,
all right, can you stick to that? And you ask
your concept of God to make you the best person,
to make you a smarter person, a more intelligent person,

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a healthier person, a more financially stable person, so that
you can give back to your community and build strong households.
That's what all of this is for, right, And if
you can't do that, then shame on you. There's no
reason why we cannot do better. And as our opponents

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are rallying up to bury us, they can only bury us.
If we roll over and play dead, now's the time
to bring the best you possible. Thank you, man, I
don't know where we are retired. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:05:43):
Yeah. But okay, I gotta ask you this because you
mentioned that that this is going to be your last
trip next year and and sort of wrapping up, is
it gonna be the last rople or are you going
to pass it on this to your daughter?

Speaker 4 (03:05:53):
For Atlanta, Atlantis is my daughter. Atlantis has been an
egypt some twenty times, so she position to continue her
father's legacy. So I'm not putting pressure on her. If
she wants to continue to do the study tours, she
will now granted she has all the knowledge. She's a
little intimidated, you know, she's got to walk in the

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footsteps of Tony Browner. But as I told her, she's prepared.
She's got this. She knows more about history than the
our Egypian history than the average Egyptian. So if she
wants to do it, there's a place for her to
do this. I'm going to be going to other parts
of Africa. I want to be going to other parts
of the world, so I'm not just folding up my
tent and going home. I got stuff I want to do, right,

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I got a life I want to continue to live.
I got other books that I want to write. And
so if all goals is planned is if all goals
is planned, I should have three new publications out throughout
the next year of twenty twenty six. They're in the pipeline.
I'm going to be giving myself time to write films
and to publish them and market them so that I

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will leave a living legacy for my family, for my daughter,
for my grandson, and for everyone else who sees the
benefit of what I have to offer. Right, So this
is for us, and the only way it can benefit
you is if you see the value in it and
are willing to move forward and use this knowledge to

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help yourself. First, help your family, then help your community.

Speaker 1 (03:07:26):
All right, I'm brother tying for you. Leave tell us
how we can get more informations. The website again.

Speaker 4 (03:07:32):
The website is ikg danceinfo dot com. I'll have copies
of the book by next week. It will be in
bookstores by January eleventh. You'll be able to get your copies,
and hopefully it will spur discussions in households and communities
and that's how we continue to advance by continuing discussions
and building on the knowledge. Carl, thank you as always,

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I appreciate you to love your delight my brother.

Speaker 1 (03:07:58):
All right, thank you, and thank you for all the
work that you've done, Brother Tony. People don't tell you this,
but they tell me all the time to thank you,
So I'm gonna do it publicly. This is because you've
done You've changed so many lives. People have read your book.
We had a couple of guys this morning. I think
it was a brother, Dara al Muhammad, so this changed
his life when he was in the joint reading your book.
So maybe you don't get it all the time, but
I just want you to know you're really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (03:08:21):
Well, thank you, but I do appreciate it. And here's
to life. Here's to a bet at twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (03:08:27):
All right, thank you, brother Tony. All Right, family, that's
it for the day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six
o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and
also in the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL