Uncover Motown Stories, Crypto Insights, and City Gentrification Solutions

Join us for an incredible opportunity to hear from Kerry Gordy, son of the legendary Berry Gordy! Kerry will be sharing insights from his documentary, “Sunday Best,” now streaming on Netflix. This captivating film takes you behind the scenes of the iconic Ed Sullivan Show, showcasing unforgettable performances by Motown artists. Kerry will also share fascinating stories from the Motown era and discuss his vital work in securing funding for artists who have faced financial challenges in the music industry. But that’s not all! We will kick off the morning with insights from cryptocurrency expert Ceasar Korvinus, and former NY lawmaker Charles Barron, who will tackle the pressing issue of gentrification affecting our cities.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Brad Rising family, and thanks for starting your week with
us again. Later, Oh, by the way, it's the final
week in July. Later, Kerry Gordy will join us. He's
the son of legendary Motown founder Barry Gordy. He's gonna
discuss his UH his documentary that's running now streaming on Netflix.
It's called UH Sunday Best You Know, and the film

(00:27):
takes us behind the scenes of the iconic Ed Sullian
Show and it showcases some of unforgettable performances by Motown artists.
Carry also discussed his current gig and securing funds for
artists who may have lost money during their financial transactions
with their record companies. For Kerry, cryptocurrency experts Hees Covadis
will check in and moment Charlie. Former New York lawmaker

(00:49):
Charles Brown will join us. But let's get the keys
to the school door open. Kevin joined us.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
N Yes, sir, Good morning, Colonel Nelson. How you feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm still learning, brother, I'm still learning.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
But of course that's what growth is all about. That's
what wisdom is man is to you know, stay learning,
to continue to listen and continue to take action on
what you learn.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
That's the key part, because you know, many of the times
we learn something and we just dismiss it.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Right, right, I heard that somewhere they say, you know,
but today, like I said, it's the twenty eighth of July,
and weird does the time go? Man? I tell you,
it's just the amazing how time seems to fly now
now that you get a little older. Hey, look, isn't

(01:46):
the man the commander in chief in the White House,
the most powerful man in the world, and yet he's
suing Beyonce an Oprah or campaigning for his opponent. It's
as if he didn't win. And you know how I'm

(02:06):
talking about, right, President Donald J. Trump. He's suing Beyonce
for eleven million dollars in OPRAH for an undisclosed amount.
What's up with that?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, you know, he's trying to deflect from the Epstein thing,
and he's you know, throwing everything against the wall. See
whatever sticks as usual, people look like us, our prime targets.
But so far his base is still wanting to know
more about Epstein, you know. And I think the more
he talks about it, the more he tries to reflect,
the more it draws attention. To it. Sometimes you just

(02:38):
have to ignore stuff and it go away. But he can't.
He just can't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, seeming like the old story of the tar baby.
You know, it's stuck to him now and the fact
that he wants to sue them. He announced it in Scotland.
He's visiting Scotland and he announced that in Scotland where
he's supposed to be making deals of whatever he does,
you know, the the author of the art of the deal,

(03:04):
and he's all of a sudden talking about Beyonce O
brah Kamala Harris. Also, though he set a tariff on
Scottish whiskey while he was there, So the Scottish whiskey
companies are hoping it's not too bad because America is
their leading place of that particular.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
But again, he Deedy's taco move. You know. He first
he threatened them with the X amount double x amount
of tariffs, and then he comes back and does minus X,
you know, and say, oh, we've reached an agreement, you know.
But then hey, that's a taco move from Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
So there was a stabbing in Walmart and they're saying
that it may be considered a terrorist act. In Michigan.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I saw that it was a brother came to the rescue, right.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes, uh huh yeah yeah, and how brave, how brave
was that? But yeah, they claimed that it may be
terrorism or at least assault charges against the suspect they found.
You know, like you said, that brother caught the suspect, Yes, sir.
And let's see what else is relevant. The heat wave

(04:18):
in the US is really affecting everyone. And there's this
gentleman named Bubba Wallace. You heard him, Yes, I have, yes,
Like I said, where we participate, we dominate. He became
the first African American driver to win a major race
at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Bubba, Is that you Bubba?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
That was.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes, sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
So, so congratulations to about Bubba Wallace. That's what Kevin
is talking about, you know, the first African American, first
black whatever you want to call thesepa used to win
a major race like that.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So again, congratulations, right the Indianapolis five hundred that I
tell you. Man, didn't Richard Pryor play a race card
driver in one.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Of his movies, Well yeah, yeah he sure did well.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Anyway, thanks for the time, girl, Let's uh go ahead,
I wanna hold you up and you have a great.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Day, all right. Thanks Kevin, thanks for sharing what's trending
in the news this morning. But six Half the Top
Als bringing Charles Barron from New York City. Charles a
former selman and also city council member in that city.
Grand Rising, Charles, Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Graham Rising and Colin Kevin. I appreciate both of you
very very much. The information that you bring is powerful
for our community. Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, Charles, let's let's get it started rightway. What Kevin
was talking about, this Epstein deal deflection that you see,
there's some people see it, no.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Question about it. You know, how could they be they
thought this was going to be all about Bill Clinton
because it started off like that, and they would pursuing
it because Bill Clinton. They failed that, they could have
nailed them to.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
The wall with it.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Come to find out their own boy was involved. And
now they're trying to deflect it with all kinds of stuff,
the suing of Beyonce and Oprah, you know, anything he
can think of to deflect attention away from that is
It's just incredible. You know, you sometimes wake up and
say is this really happening. This can't be real, but

(06:25):
it's incredible what's going on. And it's only gonna, you know,
come home to bite them. The other thing I think
is interesting that was in the news is the EU
deal to deal with the European Union of the six five,
six hundred billion and fifteen percent tariffs to show you
how ridiculous this is getting they should have. And normally

(06:49):
when you have good relationships as zero zero tarists, you know,
you don't tax each other like that. You make an
economic investment deal and you trying to make it to
zero zero teriffs. But if you must have talis and
talis as people know it's taxes on goods that's coming
into the country from other countries, you do like two
to three percent.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
So he he was up at.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Thirty percent, but this is for the white countries. Now
you know, we're rest of everybody else is in trouble.
He was up at thirty percent. He broke it down
to fifteen percent when it should have been at two
to three percent and calling that a great deal. So
that's only going to do two things when you have
tariffs at fifteen, twenty and thirty percent. First, it hurts

(07:36):
the businesses. It hurts the companies that are going to
receive the goods to sell it to the consumer. So
they are going to have less of profits and under capitalism.
You know, that's almost like I said, they're going to
have less profits and then what they're going to try
to do is make it up by raising prices on

(07:58):
everything for the consumer. So here as a president that's
always talking about tariffs, and you remember for the shale
states and for the brick countries, he was talking about
one hundred percent tariffs. And then when he realized that, hey,
what am I talking about? I have three hundred and
thirty million people in America and for products to come

(08:21):
from China and Russia and other places, I'm going.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
To tax their products to.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Three hundred and thirty million. And here, bricks represents a
five point or four point five billion people. There's one
four point four billion people in China or one point
two three four billion in India and a couple of
hundred million in Nigeria. You got about one hundred million

(08:50):
in Egypt, one hundred and forty seven million in Russia.
So all these countries are part of bricks. If you
tariff them, what you think they're going to do to
your products that you're trying to get into China's market
and India's market, and Russia's market and Africa's market. So
this guy's out of his mind. All of this stuff

(09:10):
is going to backfire soon. I've done later, let me.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Ask you this, when do you think the American people
understand that those times the Russia station increasing the process
that the stores are caused by these times? When do
you think that's going to his home?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, that's going to hit them, probably like the fall,
you know, when they really take effect and when people
begin to see that. You know, America is already unaffordable
for many many people to live in. New York City
is only unaffordable for many many people to live in
They're going to see that probably by the fall. Right now,

(09:48):
it's difficult. By the fall two three months from now,
these prices are going to go up. You know, it's
so expensive for food. Now you come out cheaper eating
your money. Now, that's how expensive food is. You know,
when I go shopping and I you're a couple of
bags of groceries and talking about one hundred two hundred dollars.

(10:09):
I didn't even buy nothing yet, so and I feel failed.
For four people are going out there trying to buy
stuff and the food is expensive. But see, this is
a this is a problem of capitalism, and this is
why we need a revolution, and this is why we
should lean more towards socialism. I'm going to be doing
a series and now broadcast on WBAI in New York

(10:32):
City ninety nine point five FM or STREAMWBAI dot org.
We're going to be doing a series on socialism.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
And while we better offer that than capitalism, but capitalism.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
And let me jump in and ask you this theory.
Eleven after the top the just waking up families at
Charles Brown's I guess Charles are former New York City
City Council and also a member of this Assembly in Albany.
But with Charles, is there a difference between social and
democratic socialism? Or and you know where I'm going with
it's with Mendani in your city. Is he trying to

(11:06):
split the hairs? How do you see that?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well, you know, if you are a socialist, you don't
have to put any kind of adjective in front of it.
There are so many different brands and types of socialism
I'm not a Marxist Leninist. That's the type of socialism.
Even though I was in the Black Panther Party and
we read mal Te Song's little book, a little red
Book of mild Te Soong, And what the socialism that

(11:34):
I support is the socialism of the African People's Socialist
Party O maly Esa Tela. African based socialism. Socialism's roots
is as an Africa under you know, evolved from communalism.
So when you have the socialism of Kwame and Krumer,
the socialism of Patrisa la Mumba, the socialism of Seco Torree,

(11:56):
the socialism of Julius NAYII and Tanzania, and this kind
of African based socialism doesn't start with the foundation of Marxism.
Remember Karl Marx and Engles mark an angles. They emerged
in the eighteen hundreds, you know, in eighteen forty four

(12:19):
Karl Marx met Friedrich Ingles and they were in Germany,
and by eighteen forty eight they did the Communist Manifesto,
and that was a book that really influenced the whole
world in terms of the evaluation analysis of capitalism in Europe.

(12:40):
So by eighteen forty eight, they had Communist Manifesto. Eighteen
sixty seven or sixty one sixty seven, they did Task
Cappy Town, which was an expansion on the Communist Manifesto.
Then you had the Paris Commune where they took over
the Socialists took over Paris for a couple of months,
applet's got it back. And then by eighteen eighty three

(13:04):
Karl Manks is dead, and by eighteen ninety five Ingles
is dead, and then you had Vladimir Lenen and had
the first socialist revolution in Russia nineteen seventeen. I only
mention that because when you hear things like controlling the
means of production, when you hear the public economy instead

(13:26):
of a private economy, Socialism fundamentally basically says that the
means of production should be controlled by the people. The factories,
the technological stuff now should be controlled by the people
and not by the private sector. So when you have
the private sector controlling everything, then they control pricing if

(13:50):
you don't have price control with that. So fundamentally is
the question is do you want Wall Street to control
everything or do you want a people's report presentative government
controlling things? And yes, under socialism you can still own businesses,
you can practice you know, freedom of speed, freedom of religion,
all of that you know still happens, but usually under socialism.

(14:14):
If you look at Cuba and you look at n
Isuela and all of the things that's happening with them now,
the problems is the imperialist counter revolutionary interference with their producing,
with their governments. But how come we have free health care,

(14:35):
free education, funerals are free birth the government pays for
in these other countries, but yet here you can't even
afford to be born. Your better not die because that's
too expensive. They have government subsidized housing and food and
places like Libya and the Mormar Kadafi everything. Listen, there

(14:58):
were no homelessness, there's no poverty, none of that. The
oil that they were producing coming out of their land
was for the people of Libya once Cadofi got in,
but one he wasn't, and it's just the the pirate
was in. They had the you know, British petroleum, they
controlled the oil and so that Exxon and all of

(15:20):
these companies. So when you're talking about Zoron Mondomini talking
about socialism democratic socialism, there are differences. There's no one socialism.
There are different versions of it. Some say that the
people should run the government and the means of production
and all of that to make these things free and available.

(15:40):
So when you're paying your taxes that in return the
government will take care of making sure you have a
plan to live, some food to eat, and some clothes
on your back without you go into bankruptcy trying to
play medical bills and all this stuff. But right now
there's ways a way. So when you think of socialism,
just think of social security the government days you know

(16:03):
for that, that's a form of socialism. Think of unemployment
benefits from the government, that's a form of a socialism.
Think of medicaid and medicare those are forms of a
social characteristics of socialism. So when you hear something ignorant
and stupid, like Maya Adams said, he gets on a

(16:24):
press conference and said, Mom, Donnie is trying to give
you a free of everything. You don't want anything free.
He wants to give you free transportation and free housing
and all of that you want to earn yourself. How
dumb can you get? I don't know a black person
or anybody in America that wouldn't want free help and free.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Clothing right step aside for a few of his family.
Just waking up Charles Baronies. I guess he's I'm a
New York lawmaker. You want to get in on this conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four five
zero seventy eight to seventy six and we'll take your
phone court next.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
A Grand Rising family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this last Monday in July. It is the twenty
eighth day of July. And I guess he's a former
New York City council member, Charles Barron out of Brooklyn,
and also his former Assembly metman. We're talking politics with
Charles Charles. Hold second, Kareem wants to chime in on
something that you said earlier. He's online too, He's calling
from Baltimore. Grand Rising, Kareem, you're on with Charles Baron.

Speaker 8 (17:50):
Hey, Peece, how you doing.

Speaker 9 (17:51):
I just have a question in terms of the tariffs
and in relationship to the taxes that we currently have
in terms of out deficit, could it be that the
terrorists that he's imposing right now in alignment with the
deficit and hosts the off that increase.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
That we're about to have.

Speaker 9 (18:13):
And also I wanted to ask, do you have any
books to recommend that deal with African socialism.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know, you must have been reading my mind because
I was just going to recommend a book. You know,
the socialism that I support comes from the African People's
Socialist Party and its chairman of mally Yashtella was on
this program before and he has a book called The Vanguard,
The Advanced Detachment of the African Revolution. Vanguard the Advanced

(18:47):
Detachment of the African Revolution. And he is a twenty
first century revolutionary theorist that needs to be more study.
And he has this theory of African internationalism, and African
internationalism has its roots based in the central theme for

(19:10):
African internationalism and our liberation is the unification and the
liberation of Africa under socialism because Africa, you know, is
the most richest continent in the world. And the contradiction
of Africa is that it is the richest continent in

(19:31):
the world with the poorest people in the world because
of colonialism and imperialism. There's no reason why the one
point some one billion people of Africa, the fifty four
states of Africa that has all the gold, the uranium,
the corval, the call tan, the diamonds. All of this

(19:51):
comes from Africa and it is supplying the world, particularly Europe.
There would be no Europe without the primitive acu relation
that Marx talked about. But you should tell it really
expands on Marx's you know, shortcomings and raises the African
version of socialism and its roots in Africa. He explains

(20:15):
how that under the primitive accumulation of capital, that is,
the rape and extraction and robbery and enslavement of the
African is the only reason why Europe exists now. And
with the Sahel Revolution going on in West Africa with
Molly Pikino, Fassio and Nizea, you see that France is

(20:36):
headed toward economic depression because they kicking in the French
out and say you cannot colonize us no longer. So
we're suffering from the colonial motor production, meaning that colonialism
produces the poverty in our community. It rapes Africa, the

(20:56):
Caribbean and places all over the world where they taking
the minerals, the resources and the agriculture, and the enslavement
the labor from the people of Africa.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Kareemi had a follow up question.

Speaker 9 (21:13):
Yeah, well, I just wanted to say I'm reading Kwame
and Krumer's Neo Colonialism The.

Speaker 8 (21:19):
Last Age Imperialism.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Excellent.

Speaker 9 (21:21):
It's a hard one. It's a hard book to find.
They think they discontinue to publish it. So if anybody
can get a hold of that, that's that's a good
book to read. But I thank you, mister Barons, thank
you call you'll have a piece with day piece all.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Right, yes, and thank you for that, brother, because that
is a classic, because that's what's happening to us here
in America. We suffer from a form of domestic colonialism.
That's what our black communities are. We are domestic colonies
of a colonial capitalist system. And what they try to
get you to focus on more is racism. You see,

(22:00):
it's a double edged flood here. Yeah, there's racism, but
the racism is more of an ideology and it's just
race is a factor and just about everything and poverty
and everything else. But the system is capitalism and it's
the colonial mode of production, and it's colonial capitalism that's

(22:22):
creating the poverty. So when you just focus on racism,
then you're fighting for inclusion because you're saying, we never
had a black president.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's racism.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Okay, let's give them Barack Obama. We don't have to
change the system. We don't even have to change the direction.
Just change the complexion of the presidency and we can
continue our colonial exploitation from a black face. And that's
why black faces in high places don't mean that we're
changing anything. They're usually neo colonial black puppets of the

(22:59):
colonial capitalist system, and they maintained control of our domestic colonies. Now,
the problem or the challenge is when people are trying
to survive, eat and put clothing on their back, and
find jobs and paint, rent and mortgages and buy food.
You know, they don't want to heal all of this
analysis of theories. But we must be able to which

(23:22):
reason why we got into the electoral arena. We have
to be able to meet the needs of our people
while at the same time raising their political consciousness and
revolutionary awareness to say that listen, oh, we can get
you a job. We got six thousand jobs when we
got into office. We can get you and stop gentrification.
We did so. My East New York community is not gentrified.

(23:47):
We were able to build new schools and renovate parks
and one hundred million dollars in scholarships for our people
and all kinds of stuff, but the system did not change.
So while we help some people and ease the pain,
that's the little tiny bit. The machine that's producing poverty,
the machine that's producing unemployment, the machine that's producing inadequate healthcare, miseducation.

(24:14):
The scene that is producing crime in our community is
colonial capitalism, and that's not being touched. So you can't
just fight against racism, because it's a fight for inclusion,
and that's what the bouschewois, black bourgeoisie of the black community,
they fight for, raising us to the middle class or

(24:37):
equality in the system that will never give them equality.
Revolution is the only solution.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, I'm jumping here at twenty nine after the top
of the family, just waking up Chiles, baronies, I guess
from New York City. Now Chile, is this more on
the score?

Speaker 10 (24:50):
Now?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Where to see the direction of this current government is
taken towards corporations. It seems like they're giving all the
breaks to the corporate groups instead instead of the individuals.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
That's what colonial capitalism does. So now you see this big,
ugly bill that they passed until they hurt medicaid, to
cut medicaid by billions, and they cut the social services,
and then they give a tax break to the rich.
And they have legislation that allows the corporations now to

(25:24):
raise so much money in campaigns. It doesn't even have
to come from the campaign that can come from the
independent corporations putting all this money into the electoral arena.
So the corporations are laughing their way to the bank.
Even so called Obamacare with Affordable Care Acts. Yes it
didn it gave a little more healthcare to people. But

(25:47):
at the same time, we were trying to get a
single payer system so that healthcare would be the responsibility
of the state and we wouldn't have to pay for
it at all. We couldn't get that. We said, all right,
they're not going to go all the way like that's
too socialistic for them. At least have a public option

(26:07):
where you can get five in insurance from private companies,
but have the public option so that we can get
some from the state that would be lower end premiums
and no, you know, no high premiums, and all of
the stuff that you paid. You know, under healthcare, we
wind up going to bankruptcy because that because the co

(26:30):
payments and the premiums. They've knocked that out. So when
they finished the debate and they finished with the Affordable
Care Act that they called Obamacare, the private companies, insurance
companies were lefting their way to the bank because they
still controlled the entire healthcare system. And this is capitalism.

(26:52):
You can always tell the intent of a system by
the name it had. When you look at the root
name of capitalism is capital money, profit over people, the
means of production controlled by the private sector, on land
ownership by the private sector. When you look at the

(27:14):
word communism, it's the root word of communalism, community where
the wealth is equitably distributed amongst the people and so
there is less on no poverty, and you bring down
a lot of the things that capitalism brings up, prices
and poverty. And then you have the word socialism.

Speaker 10 (27:36):
Social social means society people is focusing on the people
controlling the means of production, the people controlling the.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Economy, so that it is an economy that's people friendly
and not corporate friendly. Look at the word gentrification, it's
gentry is the root word. The elites want to come
back into the black and brown communities all over the nation,
take those communities back because they want to come from
the suburbs and come from the areas where it costs

(28:08):
too much for them to live now run their businesses,
coming back and forth. So they want to come back
to the inner cities. So they gentrifying our neighborhood. And think,
guess what they're using black politicians, neo colonial black puppets
in a Democratic party to gentrify our communities by putting
them in power and maintaining the same gentrified policy. Look

(28:32):
at Washington d C. In Washington, d C seventy eighty
percent black. Years ago, we used to call it Chocolate City.
Now as Marshmallow City is so white. It's forty some
percent black now and the white population is increasing. Look Atlanta,
Atlanta used to be called the black Mecca. Now they

(28:55):
got so many white people in Atlanta. Now we used
to be seventy eighty percent black and now it's forty
six to fifty two percent black. And the city council
with fifteen thirteen blacks and two Latinos, now it's seven whites,
seven blacks is one a Latino. So what you see

(29:15):
gentrification is that when you change the ethnic or rac
position of a community and bring in more whites and
black leads, you're also going to change in the political
representation in our community. And that's my concern about what's
happening in New York because every community that has been gentrified,

(29:38):
in our neighborhoods has been done with black faces in
high places. The mayor in Chicago was black, and so
is the city council black. The mayor in Washington, d C.
Was black, and so was the city council, and Washington
DC black. Still gentrified Atlanta, the mayor was black, the

(30:00):
city council was black, and it is gentrified. And a
lot of districts right in New York and Hai King
Jeffrey's district in New York, the fifty seventh Assembly district,
the Sister James, Attorney General was the council member for
that district. They were seventy two percent black when they
came in ten fifteen years ago, and now it's thirty

(30:23):
two percent black and thirty eight percent white.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
And the rest of the.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Other our neighborhood, East New York, we came in twenty
one years ago, it was sixty some percent black and
some are percent Latino. Twenty one years later, because we
had black radical elected officials under the banner of Operation Power,
our organization, Yes and Charles Barron had maintained stop gentrification,

(30:52):
stopped Walmart from coming in to our community, had a
reparations bill pass for the first time in the history
of New York State, and was able to do all
of this. And now our community is still sixty four
percent black, twenty three percent.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Black here, twenty six away from the time. Let me
jump in and ask you this question though, because some
people say it's good to have a multicultural neighborhood because
all of a sudden, now they're getting the communities are
getting benefits, they're getting grants, and the government wants to
help them, especially in Washington, DC areas. They said, well,
all of a sudden, now we're getting all this money

(31:29):
coming into the city which wasn't coming in before. How
do you respond to that?

Speaker 3 (31:34):
First of all, there's nothing further from the truth. And
they got black people believe in that foolishness. We in
East New York are a prime example of that. They
said the same thing to us they said balance, if
you all don't allow for your neighborhood to be integrated, gentrified,
you're not going to get government services. So even though

(31:57):
the area median income, this is how they gentrify you.
The AMI, the area median income HUD says eighty percent
of New York City's metropolitan area area median income, eighty
percent of that is affordable. That's how they define it.

(32:18):
Well in New York. The New York City's AMI is
one hundred and forty five thousand dollars for a family
of three, that's the area median income. Eighty percent of
that is one hundred and sixteen thousand.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
That's not affordable. In my beloved East New York, whose area.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Median income is forty thousand. And then even if you
go down to sixty percent of the AMI to try
to make it affordable, that's eighty seven thousand for a
family of three. Not affordable. You have to go down
to twenty and thirty percent, which is what we did
because we had the power to do that, because the
city Council determine what's going to be built on city

(33:01):
owned land and even private ownedland that wants to change
the zoning arrangements. So if you get the right people
in office who can do that. Now we stop gentrification.
Here is a fact we stopped gentrification. My community is
ninety percent black and Latino and Latina. Yet we got

(33:22):
more government services because we had radical, intelligent shop sell out.
We didn't sell out our community for personal ambition, rugged individualism,
bulk of practicisms.

Speaker 11 (33:34):
We didn't get it right.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Now, hold that thought right there, Charles. I'll let you
finish explaining how you guys turn to you know, stop
gentification in East York. Can we get back? But we
got to take a look at the news, trafficking, weather,
not different cities. Family, You two can join our discussion
with Charles Barron. Reach out to us at eight hundred
and four five zero seventy eight to seventy seation. We
take only phone calls after news of the decis.

Speaker 12 (33:58):
Now back to the car Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks of waking up with us
on this Monday morning, this last Monday in July, the
twenty eighth day of July, with our guest Charles Barron
out of New York City. Charles is Charles the former
member of the New York City Council, so the Assembly
in Albany as well, and discussing gentrification. Right now, you
want to join the discussion, reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

(34:44):
Before we go back to Charles, I'll just remind you
that latest one we're going to speak with, Kerry Gordy,
was the son of the legendary Motown founder Barry Gordy,
and we're going to talk abou all the lot of
stuff about Motown. What's about his documentary of the Treatment
on Netflix now as Sunday Best, that's a title of it.
I was going to tell you some you know, you know,
some behind the scenes performances of some of the Motown

(35:06):
artists on that show, and also going to talk give
us some Motown stories as well, and also tell us
what his current gig is. But before him, we're going
to speak about cryptocurrency with the crypto company experts seas
at Cavanis and later this week you're gonna hear from
clinical psychologists doctor Jermy Fox the chair and Fred Hampton's
going to stop by. Metaphysician doctor b will be here.
Also Black politics expert doctor James Tail will also join us.

(35:27):
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure your radious
lot in tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're
Inna d I m V family are on FM ninety
five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL. All right, Charles,
I'll make you tell us again. How can we stop gentrification?
Is there a will to stop gentrification in our major cities?
And why is it just the major cities? That is

(35:48):
what happens when we move out of these major cities,
where we going suburbs, ex serbs or where are we going?

Speaker 3 (35:54):
A lot of people leave in New York and going
south because New York is no longer affordable than when
they get out. While it's a little more affordable, there's
will have difficulties getting jobs with the way to stop gentrification,
you have to first and foremost through a power analysis.
Who has the power to bring in housing development projects
in your district?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well?

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I realized that it was the New York City Council.
The power of the city council is one, the city
council passes the budget, not the mayor. Two, the city
council determines what's going to be built on city owned
land and on privately owned property. If they want to
go higher in terms of the zoning laws, they have

(36:36):
to come by the city council, and then the city
council gets what they call member deference. They defer to
the local council. And there's fifty one council members in
New York City's council. They have one hundred and sixteen
billion dollar budget and a capital budget of ten years
for one hundred and sixty nine billions of ten years.
But it's those fifty one city council members that pass

(36:59):
the law to determine what's going to be built in
your community, and that also determine what's going to be
done with zoning laws and things of that nature. So
that's the first thing you do. So we won that
seat for the last twenty one years by doing that.
Talking about government services, we stopped gentrification. We stopped Walmart

(37:20):
from coming in because they had to get our approval.
We made sure that we had housing affordable to the
area median income of the people in our district, which
was about forty thousand dollars for a family of three.
We determined that because if we don't, if they don't
satisfy the black panther and they don't satisfy black radicals

(37:43):
like and As barn and myself. Since we in seats
the power, they can't come in. I didn't have to
we didn't have to demonstrate, we didn't have to have
a press conference. The zoning committee called me up and said, hey,
Baron lu three forty seven is coming into your district.
Do you want it? And it was a yes or no.
If I said no, that project is dead in the

(38:05):
zoning committee, it never gets out.

Speaker 13 (38:07):
So we were able to.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Make billionaires, millionaires, billionaires, all of these white developers, and
we made them also take black developers proposals, so it
wasn't just white. So by doing that, we were able
to get three new eighty eight million dollar schools built
from the ground up. Government services. We were able to

(38:29):
get over one hundred and fifteen million dollars worth of
park renovations from the Department of Parks, new parks bested
in the city. Government services. We were able to attract
six thousand jobs. We had a food desert, so we
had food places in our district. Develop government services. We

(38:54):
were able to even get healthcare and our urgent care built,
and we had a Betty Shabaz Health Clinic. Millions of
dollars built multi service health clinics. So we've gotten fifty
million dollars worth of scholarships for counity students the City
University of New York. I can go on and on
for the risk YE program.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Let me check you on this one, because Charles twelve
a way from the time day people say that you
stop Walmart, and I heard the same, you know, accusations
made an AOC. They're saying that you stop jobs from
coming into the community, and how do you respond to that.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Thanks for giving me the opportunity. We stopped our community
from being exploited by Walmart. Walmart is a plantation. They
don't allow for healthcare. They tell you to fill out
for Medicaid. They have oppressive conditions. You can't even take
breaks like you should be able to. They don't allow

(39:53):
you to unionize. So in the area that we stopped Walmart,
we're not saying that we socialized. And you know, community
companies came in, but we had a shop Right come
in instead of Walmart. Shop Right allowed for unionizing, Shop
Right allowed for wages above the minimum wage, and shop

(40:16):
Right allow for working conditions that were reasonable for our people.
So the anchor store was Shopright and we were able
to get thousands of jobs in the mall area and
that area where Walmart wanted to come in, they would
have taken up seventy percent of the property, would have

(40:36):
put everybody else out of business. But because we stopped them,
we got more jobs. There's all kinds of companies in there,
but we made those companies higher people from our district.
If you ever come to my beloved East New York
and go to the Gateway shopping mall and you see
you go into Shop Right, you'll see nothing but black folk,

(41:00):
and from management positions to the clerks that are at
the counter checking out your food and act them with
their zip code is one one two oh seven East
New York one one two o eight East New York, Brownsville.
So we were able to get all of that by
stopping Walmart. It would have been worse businesses. Mom and

(41:22):
pop stores would have gone out of business. We even
made them bring in some community based restaurants that community
people own because we had the power. So note that
is absolutely wrong. I had to go through that with
my community here because the clergy and politicians out here

(41:42):
Walmart was paying them off to say that the barons
are anti developments. Now years later people are thanking us
because we had thousands of jobs without putting mom and
pop stores out of business.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Wow, by a story. Well let me ask you this.
So let's let's talk by the mayor race. As have
you met with mont Donniette, Have you guys set up
a list of what you want before he gets the
black endorsement? Or is the city still split three ways
or four ways if you throw Curtis Sleeway in there
on the Republican ticket. How do you see it going forward?
This mayle race is going to turn out.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Well, I'll see a very positive thing for us in
terms of in New York City. This is the first
time in quite a while we're in response to the
mayoral race. We've decided to build a Black solidarity coalition.
This Black Solidarity Coalition has been meeting for the last
you know, every other Thursday for the last month, and

(42:41):
we're going to be meeting all the way up to
the election and afterwards. So I'm very pleased to say
in that coalition is our organization, Operation Power, the December
twelfth movement, you know by Ola Pama makes you rest
in peace. Omawally Clay is now the chair. They are
coordinating it, facilitating.

Speaker 13 (43:00):
A lot of it.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
The Nation of Islam is with us, Similtep for doctor McIntosh.
The local organization is with of us. We have a
couple of our black who are organizing in major unions
who are with us. We have some clergy that are
with us. We have a Mariesa Tellus or Huru movement
they're with us as well. So we have a pretty

(43:22):
decent coalition and more important than what happens on November fourth,
more important than the mayoral race, is that we have
this group that's come together now and we're going to
stay together even after the election, because whoever gets in
has to govern for four years and they're going to
want to be re elected four more years after that.

(43:44):
So this is the first time in a long time
where we have a coalition that can help people get elected.
Black people the people we want aside from the Democratic Party,
the Working Families Party on Democratic Socialists of America, that's
the three groups that get people elected in New York.

(44:06):
And then we buss over the candidates that they're offering us.
Lauren is the only option in New York because they
have two corrupt runners for Maya, and that is the
former governor Andrew Cuomo. He is a disgrace. He calls
a lot of death in the senior citizen centers and

(44:29):
the home of where seniors are. He caused a lot
of death, and then he miscounts he lied about the
number of deaths in the senior homes.

Speaker 14 (44:42):
And then they have.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Eric Adams, who's corrupt and who is a right wing
fake Democrat who has all these policies that are hurting us.
He's corrupt. And then Curtis Lee is named not an option.
So those three are not an options. By putting this
group together, we're going to formulate a black agenda for

(45:06):
Thoron and say, you know, you have to deal with
this black agenda. So we're in the process of doing
that and we'll determine, you know, where we go in
the upcoming meetings. But you know, he's the only option.
The others are not an option. But he should not
get a pass. He has to be able to be
given a black agenda, and saying and I had the

(45:29):
opportunity to work with Zor in the State Assembly. We
vote were in the State Assembly together. He was progressive
on the issues. He supported my reparations bill. We voted
against the government budgets, the state budgets that weren't for
the people. So he does have a progressive a touch
to him. But DSA, you know, is a white left organization,

(45:53):
and historically we had problems with white left organization, the
Communist Workers Party, the Socialists Workers' Party, and Socialist Party
of America. People like Paul Roberson and people like Hubert Harrison,
who is the precursoror to do Marcus Garvey, a black radical,
People like Queen Mother.

Speaker 15 (46:13):
Moore and W. E. B.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
The Boy and all of them were part of these
parties and had to lead them because of their racism.
And it continues with DSAY. They picked the candidates for
our black communities, and it's because they're well more organized
than us. They can put forth these communities and win
some elections. But we find out that once they get

(46:35):
these candidates, they become more politically pragmative, pragmatic than principles.
So the socialism goes out the windows sometime and it's
about how am I going to get elected? So Zoran
is running to meet with our shopping the capitalist Hustler,
and so many others that are not in the Democrats.

(46:56):
They all running to him now some are running away
from him. The implosion and the party is good for
those of us who are radicals and want us to
go in another direction. So Zorlan has the potential. I
mean he caused seismic shocks in the political world, particularly
to the Democratic Party, shock waves throughout the country, and

(47:17):
now people are praid, particularly Wall Street and the real
estate industry. Is how we're going to keep ripping off
the people and maintain our superprofits over people with a
socialist mayn So we building so that we will have
influence on him after he gets in and even before
he gets in, to make some commitments to a black agenda.

(47:38):
That's what we're working on now. But I do think
that the other three are not options.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
He's the only option.

Speaker 14 (47:44):
We just can't get.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Nobody gets a prepass from the black community. It's time
for us to organize for black power in the twenty
first century and have our own structured organized in the
electoral arena.

Speaker 13 (47:58):
Responses Yeah, hold on, all right there.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
We got to step aside and get caught up on
the traffic and weather in our different cities and Clifford,
Connecticut has a question for you as well. When we
get back, Family YouTube can join our conversation with Charles
barn Out of New York City, former New York City lawmaker.
It was in the City Council and his wife as well,
and also in the Assembly. You want to get to us,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. Won't take your phone

(48:22):
calls after the ladies of the traffic update that's next.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Win the most awesome miss.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Bank around Rising Family, thanks of waking up with us
on this Monday morning, the last Monday in July. I
guess it's Charles barn Out of New York City cussing
up right now, actually talking about one mont Donnie, who's
the Democratic UH nominee for the mayor oald race in
the fall, and he's a Democratic Socialist. And we got
some folks who want to talk to Charles, but mostly
we got Covenis on deck. We're going to talk about cryptocurrency.

(49:15):
So I'll just take two calls for Charles right now.
The folks are just waking up on line three. As
I mentioned before we left for the trafficking weather. They
Cliff called us from Connecticut, Charles, he wants to speak
with you, Grand Rising Cliff. You're on with Charles Baron.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
The Grand Rision for the Baron. Listen, you just mentioned
about Eric Adams, So I heard your comment. So what
makes him so corrupt? Because I'm saying that this is
a brother with the formerly of the New York Police
Department and he met with Trump. So is that the
issue that's got black people got their their short and

(49:52):
sole in a bunch is because he met with Donald Trump?
What is he doing that? So as a matter of fact,
let me let me let me even go further that
with this issue with the illegal immigrants, the same thing
that's happened in Chicago, he dealt and tried to deal
with Biden in a Democratic leadership, and they didn't do
a damn thing. Matter of fact, they're responsible for the

(50:14):
buffler of illegal immigrants coming into this country. So now
he goes to Trump and tells Trump, I need help
to get rid of these illegal immigrants. And now all
of a sudden, you know, he's man not to mention
the charges, the fake charges that were brought up and
levied against them with the Democratic Party, So you had
the governor and you had the mayor. Everybody was against

(50:39):
this brother, so to the point where he had to
change political parties and then run as an independent. So
what did he do that was so corrupt?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Rather, you have an oversimplification of the analysis of Eric Adams,
who I've known for forty years, and I'm going to
break it down for you right now. Before I do that,
I just want to make one correction. I said that
Governor CuMo had budged numbers and senior citizens. No, it
was nursing homes. Governor CuMo was allowing COVID patients to

(51:10):
get out of hospitals and go into nursing homes and
cause death and nursing homes and then had the nerve
to write a book on COVID and he had to
resign and disgrace after being accused with sexual harassment of
some woman. Eric Adams is a sellout. He's a sellout
to our community. I've known him for forty years.

Speaker 13 (51:30):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
He was in the police department. He was working with
me and Rebendartry and others in the National Black United Front,
and he was good. He was fighting against police brutality
once he left the police department and got into the
electoral arena, he turned totally conservative. Forget the corruption for
a second, and I'll get to that. But worse than

(51:53):
the corruption, this man came into office. I've seen the
budgets that would put forth in the New York City Council.
He refused to have a anti poverty program that can
really alleviate some poverty in our communities. He cut five

(52:13):
percent from city agencies that were given services to our
beloved black communities. While we had a surplus and we
had money to deal with that, he cut that. He
was against no cast bail. He fooled the public into
thinking no cast bill was letting criminals out. No cast

(52:34):
bail was for pre trial. Heared us out pre trial
detainees on Rikers Island, brothers and sisters who committed minor
nonviolent offenses jumping the turnstile, feeling a backpack that Caliph

(52:54):
Groud proud of, stowed stoles and was in because the
bail with fifteen hundred three thousand couldn't afford it. There's
no speedy trials in New York. So he was in
there for two three years and came out and committed suicide.
There were so many in there that have bailed of
fifteen hundred thousand, five thousand, three thousand from minor non

(53:19):
violent offenses. And when we passed that in the State Assembly,
ninety five percent of those who were let out to
come to court with the roor at least on their
own recongnissance, did not commit another crime. And your lying
Mayor Adam came out and told the public that these

(53:40):
folks are being let out and they committing murder and
robbery and all of that life. It was Eric Adams
that also decided to bring back the racist street crime
unit of the most viole racist mayor we've ever had,
Rudolph Giuliani. Eric Adams brought back here is street crime

(54:02):
unit that was able to now stop and frisk again.
Nine of the stopping frisk illegal unconstitutionals came from your
Eric Adams street crime unit that he put back in
place after Bill de Blasio took it out. Bill de
Blasio also, and I have my criticisms of him, but

(54:23):
he stopped the solitary confinement, which the world says is inhumane.
Eric Adams brought it back. Your Eric Adams. Now as
far as the corruption and I can go on more policies. Yeah,
we we just say this last one, this last one

(54:44):
on his corruption. They didn't say he didn't do it.
They said the judge said, I'm not going to make
the Trump administration try him.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
He was.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
He was charged with the act of.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
But ain't the what oh you know when.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
You extraw donors there it is that's what looking with
straw donors. He was charged with straw donors. They didn't
say he was innocent. The judge said that I'm not
going to force trumping them to uh charge him. The
straw donors is when our company has one hundred thousand
dollars and they can't donate it because it's a limit,
then they give their employees one thousand each to donate.

(55:26):
That's illegal. That's what he was right.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Let to get ten alf the top there real quickly, Carling,
Palm Beach, Florida, your your comment of your question for
and make it quick for us for Charles Brown, because yes.

Speaker 16 (55:38):
Sir, grandmother in car from my perspective, because I worked
along with the released, I have worked along with them
there here in Palm Beach County, I mean West Palm Beach,
the home of the president. And I've just discovered that
there are a lot of paternal brothers and sorority sisters
that hold those counter positions like mayors and stuff like that,
because they have a network set up where they give

(56:00):
each other information where jobs are located, and they've made
a lot of money, and most of the time when
they come in, they're not from that particular area, so
they don't have the love and respect for that area.
And with these people called developers, I walked down the
street with fifteen of them and they were designing the
whole neighborhood. And wasn't nobody black in the crack with
them and people still living in the area and they

(56:22):
design and when you look at the football stadium that
they took down in Miami and everywhere else Jacksonville, we
can see those same patterns. But we don't have the
opportunity to have such a conversation like you had giving
to us, mister Barron, And I appreciate you very much,
but I wanted to us for us to include in
our reparation ideology is that those who have benefited much,

(56:45):
they need to come back and do something for us
other than buying cars and houses and showing us they
got time, range and stuff.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
You know what I mean. Just thank you for Carl,
and thank you my brother. I agree with you one
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Thank you all right, Charles. How come folks you and
especially those folks who want to get into politics. How
can they get your playbook? I know you have a
book out and that's the playbook they can use they
want to run for office and representatives.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
They can get my book. Absolutely. They can get it
on Barnes and Noble online only it's not in the stores.
It's online to Barnes and Nobles, and they can get that.
In this call Speaking Truth to Power. Charles Baron b
A R R O n is the author, and then
they can reach me on my email address at Charles
Barron c h A r l E S B A

(57:30):
R R O n op as an Operation power at
gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
All right, thanks Charles, thanks for the work that you
put in at the work that you're still doing for
us these days.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Thank you man.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
All right, family, that's Charles Brown out of New York City.
Sat our attention that to her a new guest for us.
It sees our convenence, sees our grand rising and welcome
to the program.

Speaker 8 (57:54):
Well, thank you, Carl. How are you doing today, sir?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I'm still learning. I hope to learn some stuff from you.
But you know, we have a ritual here our first guess.
We always ask you to give us a little bit
of your background so we'll know that you're really legit.
You know what you're gonna be telling us about.

Speaker 10 (58:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (58:09):
So, I used to be in the entertainment industry, doing
bookings and concert promotions for artists like Royce, the Five
nine Trick, Trick, Slaughterhouse, Mike Jones. So I did that
for about ten to twelve years, and then I kind
of moved into the financial world doing home loans. I

(58:33):
started off at Quicken Loans and then worked for some
little mom and pop shops here in Metro Detroit. I'm
from Metro Detroit, born and raised. And then in two
thousand and sixteen, I got into cryptocurrency investing in the
crypto right before the two thousand and seventeen Bowl running.

(58:57):
So I spent a more majority of my time in
the innert the industry and then in the finance world,
and then got into the crypto industry as far as investing.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
All right, we'll stick around when you're finished because Barry
Goudy's son Carry God is going to do on this.
We're going to talk about tament industry on all sides
of it with care. But let me ask you this,
what interested you in Crypto Country? What was it the
you know, many of us have heard of Crypto Country
and we're still kind of, you know, on the fence
whether we should get involved. Some people say it's a
Ponzi scheme? What made you want to get involved in crypto?

Speaker 8 (59:30):
So I wasn't actually looking to get in. I had
a friend of mine that was interested in bitcoin, and
I knew a little bit about it through the Occupy
Wall Street movement. That's how bitcoin kind of gained traction
when you know the financial crisis.

Speaker 14 (59:49):
Of two thousand and eight.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
So he gave me a call and he asked me, uh.

Speaker 14 (59:53):
You know, do I know anything?

Speaker 8 (59:54):
And I said, I know a little bit, but I
have a friend of mine that knows a lot about it.
So we he got on a three way call and
he was explaining to me and my friend everything about it,
and he kind of shot off some other cryptocurrencies at
that time. So that's how I got in, And I

(01:00:15):
wasn't really looking to invest, but my friend mentioned a
couple of coins that sparked my interest just being in
the financial world. So that's how I got into cryptos.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
You this straight up? Is it a scheme?

Speaker 10 (01:00:32):
Is it that?

Speaker 8 (01:00:35):
So to kind of give you an idea. When I
first got into crypto, the market cap was like two
hundred to three hundred billion. Right now it's almost four trillion.
There was that like one to two hundred coins when
I got in, and now there's fifty thousand plus. So
it just depends which ones you're looking at. The ones

(01:00:56):
that have a real world use and the technology behind
it I think.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Could be good.

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
But a lot of them are just with are called
mean coins and it's just strictly speculation. And one that
you that most people probably heard of was Trump's coin.
There was like a billion tokens that they created. Eighty
percent of those tokens were for insiders into Trump's you know,

(01:01:30):
and you know, the elite people, I guess you could
call them. And then once they released the trump coin,
only twenty percent was allowed to the general public, and
that price went from seventy five dollars all the way
down to a dollar. And I think it's back up
to like ten dollars right now. So I would say
a lot of these are uh what you would call

(01:01:52):
ponzi scheme. It's just strictly speculation and people pumping it.
These crypto influencers that will pump these coins, and then
you get people like Wales that we call them, that
can buy a ton of the coins and pump it up,
and then they get other people to invest, and then
they just dump on them, which you could kind of

(01:02:13):
see with the Trump and the other ones in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
So how do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Sixteen hafter the top, the family got a question about
a crypto country. This is the man you need to
talk to, sees, how do you know if it's a
pump and dumb move? You know, how do you recognize it?
Or is it too late by the time you've bought
in and everybody's checked out and you still holding the
meme or whatever the coin is, and it's and it's
lost its value and you've lost money. So how can

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you prevent that? I guess that's my question.

Speaker 8 (01:02:43):
So it's really I mean, that's what a big problem
in the crypto industry is that I've seen a lot
of people just don't do their due diligence and research.
So I'll give you an example. When I was on
that phone call with my friend and they were he
was explaining to him who named a company called Ripple.
Ripple is a technology company.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
That basically.

Speaker 8 (01:03:10):
They were they created Ripple to kind of for cross
border payments. So to send big, large amounts of money,
you have to use the Swift system International, you know,
the wire transfers, and that's very expensive as a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
That thought right there, we gotta step aside for a
few mones. How did you finish your thought on the
other side? And also tell us how safe is crypto?
How safe is my money? If I decided to get
into the game. Family, you two, you got questions about
cryptocur save reach out to us at eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll take
your phone calls next.

Speaker 7 (01:03:44):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Thank Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on
this on Monday morning, the last Monday in July of
twenty twenty five. I guess it, says acavinus, it's a
crypto extra crypto cuncy. You've heard about crypto currency and
I would see the Trump administration's got involved in crypto currency,
and the question I had for him was it's safe.
But before you answer that question, says, I'll let you
finish you with your response.

Speaker 17 (01:04:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
So so Ripple.

Speaker 8 (01:04:33):
They for cross border payments and that has a real
world use, so it.

Speaker 15 (01:04:41):
I just keep it honest with you.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
I stopped investing into crypto in twenty twenty two because
I've kind of seen in my own vision of what
it's turning into. Like I said, big cooin kind of
grew out of the Occupy Wall Street movement. It was
supposed to put the power back into people's hands.

Speaker 15 (01:04:59):
And if you look got.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
Crypto now, it's Wall Street and big banks in the game.
They you know, you got companies like black Rock that
have bought up so much bitcoin Michael Sailor from micro Strategy.
So it's no different really in my opinion than going
to the casino. It's it's a risk and uh with

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the scams, and I.

Speaker 15 (01:05:23):
Could give you some examples of that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
Personally that I know.

Speaker 8 (01:05:28):
I've came across people that lost a lot of money.
So can you make money as people made money? Yes,
but it's a big risk and uh, I think there's
a lot of people that are unaware of how the
game is played, and they're getting what we call in
the crypto industry wrecked because they just don't know what

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they're doing with it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
All right, hold that thought right there, and Mark Manahei
sent a question for you. But before we go to
Mark's question money, Mike has joined us from Baltimo. He
has a question. He's online one grand Rise and Mike
here says, good morning, Car.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
Good morning, says, how y'all doing good?

Speaker 16 (01:06:08):
How are you doing, sir?

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
I'm doing great, says I got a question for you.
What is bitcoin based on?

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
When I talk about that, I'm talking about Platinum is
an element, Gold is an element, Copper is an element.
There's something physically there. Bitcoin is mined, So what is
it based on?

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Fairy dust?

Speaker 10 (01:06:28):
Really?

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
Whatever you want it to be. Pretty much, it's just
who When you go say, you know how bitcoin price
is right now? I think one hundred and eighteen thousand.
It's just whatever somebody's willing to buy it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
It's not backed by anything. It's just computer code, that
is it. That's all blockchain and crypto is is computer code.
And I think a lot of people that are new
to crypto that I've came across that think they're actual
and it's just computer codes. So to answer your question,
there's nothing back in.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
Okay, all right, So my next question would be is
that I'm an investor and I thought that way. I said,
it's not based on anything. It's like the Dutch with
tool of balls, you know how that craze went on.
So what I chose to do was the vest and
the people that make the chips that mine for for
for bid going and video and a MD because even

(01:07:28):
if they get out of the crypto market, they're still
based on artificial intelligence, which seems like it's a it's
a safer bet, would you concur.

Speaker 15 (01:07:42):
That's a hard one.

Speaker 8 (01:07:43):
I haven't really got into the like mining of it.
I mean the mining is just.

Speaker 15 (01:07:51):
I would say this, it takes a lot of energy
with the mining.

Speaker 8 (01:07:57):
I mean you can run some small, you know, country
off of the energy that it used. I think the
last time I checked it was like one hundred and
thirty to one hundred and eighty taar awa hours of
electricity per year. Bitcoins networks take.

Speaker 18 (01:08:11):
I do see a lot of.

Speaker 8 (01:08:15):
Big like Trump is affiliated with a mining company called
the American Bitcoin or his sons, I should say, so,
I don't really that's a hard one to answer.

Speaker 14 (01:08:29):
I really don't know enough about the mining.

Speaker 6 (01:08:32):
Industry of it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:33):
I only focused on the coins that had real world
use and the tech behind them. So I don't want
to give you the wrong answer to say yes or no.
I haven't really studied the mining process of cryptocurrency because
the coins that I invested in were pre minted, so
there is no mining. They were all created up front

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and that's.

Speaker 15 (01:08:57):
The you know, what was minted with That's what we.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Did, all right, Mike? That it for you, I think, Mike,
all right, because my question was how safe is it?
You know, because it seems like you mentioned you've you've
heard the people some people lost money get involved in
buying crypto, and some people are still you know, telling people, hey,

(01:09:21):
it's a great investment. We need to get in on
the ground floor. That's why I asked you if it
was a pyramid scheme. But how how you know how
safe is it? Though? Once once you buy crypto, and
can you walk as through the process of doing that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
Yeah, so kind of give you a little bit of info.
In twenty twenty four, it's that Americans lost their record
nine point three billion dollars in crypto related scams. I
couldn't find any data as of right now of how
many people lost by like buying and they dipped. So
the breakdown of that nine point three billion with investment

(01:09:58):
scams u on a four five point eight billion something
called pig butchering scams where two point five billion and
older adults aged sixty and older reported more than two
point eight billion and losses. So that can kind of
show you how crazy it can be far as how

(01:10:20):
safe it can be. And buying, you know, you have
to go onto an exchange or crypto exchange, and some
of those can be fraudulent, you know, overseas or even here.
You look at Terra Labs, Do Kwan, he had a
stable coin and that lost over forty billion plus four investors.

(01:10:43):
And then FTX was Sam benkman fried with Alamada. They
lost over nine billion for their customers. So that the
the numbers are there. I mean, that's crazy to think
of how much money is lost over you know, bad actors.
And that's the whole point a big cooin was to

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not be able to do this for the average people
in it, and it's turned into, in my opinion right now,
like you said, a big Ponzi score for most of
these coins. So the way you buy crypto, you know,
going on to an exchange like coin base or bit stamp,
and you can you know, you take a credit credit

(01:11:27):
card or a debit card and you just you buy
them from them, and then you can either.

Speaker 14 (01:11:32):
Hold your coins on those exchanges.

Speaker 8 (01:11:35):
Or put on what's called the cold wallet. Now the
riff with keeping it on the exchanges is if they
get hacked. A lot of these companies aren't refunding money.
The one that I can say that has been lost
customers funds and actually replenished what they lost is a
company called Coinbase that's based in the United States, which

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is actually an early investor was the for noobs, So
they've done right by their customers so far. But if
you take your coins off the exchange and put it
on a cold wallet, you get when you set up
your cold wallet, and there's many of them. The most
popular one that I know of is called the Ledger,

(01:12:18):
and they give you twenty four seed words. Now, if
you lose those seed words, your crypto is gone. You
can't get it back, and I've known people to lose
money on that. So the security it just it depends
on the person and the crypto exchange that you use.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Hey, mister convinced, this is Kevin here, and I wanted
to ask you. I wanted to ask you as you're
talking about that there used to be a time when
you could do cryptocurrency anonymously, and now they're requiring more
identifications and things of that nature. But I thought they
all needed the twelve word key. I was using blockchain

(01:13:03):
as my wallet and now I'm switching over to coinbase.
But you're saying, do you remember that when it was
more anonymous than it is now?

Speaker 11 (01:13:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:13:13):
Absolutely, Yeah. So when I got in pre twenty seventeen
ball run, and that's when kind of everything changed that
I've seen. You didn't have to put your name, social
security number and you know, tax information address and taking
a picture of your ID to send to them. You
could just buy and with an email address, and now

(01:13:38):
it's not like that. I've never used Coinbase's wallet, so
I'm not familiar, but I have heard that they give
you the seed words as well. Ye, yes, sir, So
I'm not familiar with their wallet, but I know they do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Have a wallet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
And have you ever used any of the bit coin
atm machines all over DC they're bitcoin eighteen.

Speaker 8 (01:14:04):
Yeah, no, I've never personally used them. When I was investing,
I only used like coin Base was a big one
because I could talk to somebody. These other ones you
really couldn't. And I used one that was based in
London called bit stamp, but they just recently got purchased
by Robinhood I believe it was. And I haven't really used.

(01:14:30):
Like I said, I haven't invested in the crypto. I
follow it, but I haven't invested my own money since
around twenty twenty two. But no, I've never used those
bitcoin machine ATMs. So we have those shares as well.
I haven't used any of those. Are always bought on
the exchanges.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Oh I see, yeah, you can buy insell on the machine. Yeah.
Before all of this identification requirement. And one nice question.
According to investing dot com, first of all, bitcoin is
now one hundred and nineteen thousand, point one hundred and
nineteen point five thousand and Uh. There's a new meme coin,

(01:15:07):
the Satashi meme coin, and it's supposed to be the
return of Satashi Knakamoto. Remember how everybody was talking about
Satashi Knakamoa, this anonymous person who supposedly invented uh bitcoin.
What do you think have you heard of this Satashi
mean coin.

Speaker 15 (01:15:26):
I've briefly seen something about it.

Speaker 8 (01:15:31):
I think it's just another meme coin someone's using. Again,
this goes back to like the scammers in a sense,
like they're using his name. There's no affiliation with I
believe the white paper on bitcoin for it's not like
a fork like a Bitcoin cash where you have those

(01:15:51):
Bitcoin forks of big I'm sorry, the forks of bitcoin
and like what their protocol was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Yeah, maybe you want to talk about the four Maybe
only explain that because you know, when we throw out
those terms we might lose the alredience sometimes. So explain
the fork and how it can be profitable as well.

Speaker 8 (01:16:12):
Oh, the fork, from my knowledge is you know, so
like bitcoin was created and then the code so like
bitcoin cash is this they kind of changed it just
a little bit, So it's really all based on the
same thing. It's just something in the code change. I
don't know exactly. The coins that I really focused on,

(01:16:34):
and I apologize I never invested into bitcoin mind where
kind of like the alt coins which were outside of Bitcoin. Okay,
so I'm not really familiar with the fork other than
I know it's just something in the code that is
pretty much the same as Bitcoin, but they just changed
it to whatever they wanted a little bit and it

(01:16:56):
forked off off of their blockchain of the Bitcoin blockchain.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Well, yeah, it was like a split after Bigcoin when
it had that big bullish moment and it went above
one hundred thousand.

Speaker 8 (01:17:09):
Yeah, there's a whole bunch of them, like bitcoin Cash,
there was like Bitcoin, I believe it was like DV
There were several several of them, and they all rise,
like I watched Bigcoin go.

Speaker 14 (01:17:21):
From a few So when I got in, it was
you know, like six months and then the.

Speaker 8 (01:17:26):
Two thousand and seven bull run took off and Bitcoin
was like a.

Speaker 15 (01:17:30):
Couple hundred bucks and I watched it go to twenty thousand.

Speaker 8 (01:17:33):
That Some of the coins that I invested in, like XRP, Stellar, Tron,
those went from you know, fractions of a penny to
XRP is all time high was three eighty four. Stellar
was like ninety cents from being a couple of pennies
and Tron being fractions of a penny and going up

(01:17:55):
to thirty cents. So I got in the space was
totally different from.

Speaker 19 (01:18:03):
The pre twenty seventeen bull run to after after Like
before I could go on the Twitter now X whatever
you want to call it and talk.

Speaker 8 (01:18:14):
To the engineers and the coders and they would explain things.
And then after the twenty and seventeen bull run, you've
got a lot of these crypto influencers and a lot
of these smart individuals that would sit and take time
to answer people's questions. They kind of pushed out because
you know, and now it's just these these crypto influencers

(01:18:36):
get paid off of their social media for the likes
and the engagement, and it's just a lot of bad
people giving a lot of bad advice. Like I seen recently,
someone that was pretty big had like, you know, twenty
thousand followers giving a list of people saying, these are
the countries that you don't have to pay tax, Go

(01:18:58):
there and cash out and then come back. I mean
that's you know, tax evasion. Yeah, talking to be criminally
prosecuted to go over to another country to take out
your coins and then try to you know, not pay tax.
So there's a lot of bad actors that I've come across,
and not a lot enough people in the crypto space,
in my opinion, that have the power to kind of

(01:19:23):
step up in a sense to say hey, to weed
them out. It's just like they almost want it to feed,
to keep building off the buzz of it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
XRP.

Speaker 8 (01:19:35):
To give you an example, there's always this theory that
it's going to ten thousand, could it sure? I mean,
like again, big cooins with fractions of the pennies and
it's one hundred and nineteen thousand, like you said, But
I think it's just unrealistic. And people fomo in and
what I mean by fomo is fear of missing out.
It's a crypto term. And you get a lot of

(01:19:56):
people that are trying to get rich quick, and it's
not like it was like you know, you mentioned before
at the beginning stages where it was like that. And
I think a lot of people are gonna get hurt
by trying to think they're going to get you know,
super rich, super quick.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
And well, there is there is a white paper for
the Satashi meme that you were talking about. There's a
white paper, but they think it might be a joke
of some sort, but hypothetically, Satashi Nakamoto says bitcoin is
no longer the free currency I sent to the world,
So they're hoping that the Satashi meme moves forward. That's

(01:20:34):
pretty much your thought, right, bitcoin is no longer the
free currency.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Yeah no, I'll tell you what it says a whole
that response, because've got to step aside for a moment
and check the lady sneers and traveling and the information
sports in our different cities. How did you respond to
Kevin's question On the other side, family, you two can
get in on this conversation. That guess, says alcophenas he's
a crypto expert, reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll

(01:20:58):
take a phone calls to the Newsank Grand Rising family,

(01:21:22):
thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning, this
last Monday in July of twenty twenty five. I guess
he sees our co venice. He sees this a crypto expert.
He's giving us the ups and downs of a crypto currency.
Before we go back to him, though, I just want
to remind you later this morning we're going to speak
to Kerry Gordy. Carry is the son of Motowns of
Barry Gordy. You got a question about any motown artist,
this is the man you need to pose a question to.

(01:21:43):
He works with them all and it also worked with
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(01:22:03):
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(01:22:24):
the DMV or on FM ninety five point nine and
Am fourteen fifty WL. So I mentioned Mark from Manheim
sent me a question for it before we do that, though,
I'll let you finish. Responding to Kevin's question that we
started to do right before we left for the news update.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Yeah, we were talking about Sadashi Nakamoto and then what
they call the Satashi's scripture. Ways, that's bitcoin is no
longer the free currency I sent to the world. And
that's kind of your point of view, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:22:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think it absolutely. Whoever Sitoc is.
I know there were some people claiming to be him
and uh, I can't think of his name, but they
went to the court and he said, uh know that
he was found that he wasn't. So I think whoever
it is, it absolutely defied everything that it was created for.

(01:23:18):
But then, you know, I have my own theories what.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
It could be.

Speaker 8 (01:23:22):
I don't have any like hardcore facts, but it could
have been you know, government or governments, you know, creating
and say hey, let's let's put this out. We use
this pictitious name. If it works, cool, we know we
can come out with something else. If it fails. We
don't have our name attached to it.

Speaker 14 (01:23:42):
Again, that's just a theory of mine.

Speaker 8 (01:23:44):
And I think, you know, as Mark from Anaheim, you know, said,
when you think you're going against the system, in fact
you're doing what the system I want you to do.

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
And if you look at.

Speaker 8 (01:23:55):
Crypto where it's come now with Wall Street and the
big banks, it totally is went against everything that he
created it for. If he is a person, a real
person or person's for that far as uh the setotionan
uh mean coin that you're talking about, I'm going to

(01:24:17):
have to look into that further and see. You know,
I I briefly seen it, but I never took the
time to kind of dive into a being. You know,
these mean coins, there's there's so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Many of them, right, and speak about meme coins and
by the way, Mark's had a question for We'll get
that in a moment. But speaking of Donald Trump's mean coin,
Donald Trump is just invested or bought if you will,
he not his coin, but bigcoin two billion dollars for
his his social media platform. So he's doing this three
he sounds. I don't know if it's illegal. As the president,

(01:24:49):
he can do that, but as he owns the company
and his sons, he's doing the uh transactions, and the administration.
His administration is planning a new strategic reserve of crypto aspects.
They getting into the crypto business. What's your response to
all of that.

Speaker 8 (01:25:06):
Yeah, it's it's interesting. You know, they just passed the
Genius Act. There's another Clarity Act that passed the House
but still has to go through the Senate. You know,
the Genius Act is for stable coins, and his company,
World Liberty Financial, you know, has a stable coin USB one,

(01:25:30):
I believe it's called yeah USD one, And.

Speaker 5 (01:25:35):
You just look at that.

Speaker 8 (01:25:36):
If he's able to make the laws with or not
make the laws but sign those into law, and he
has a stable coin, you know, that puts him to
have his stable coin grow faster, look more legitimate, you know,
can earn profits, profits off the fees and the transactions,
and and face less competition with it. So you know,

(01:26:00):
it's very interesting to see with that to kind of
go off. There another coin that I used to have
called tron. If you look at what Justin Son and
the Trump connection, Justin Sun was getting investigated by the
SEC in twenty twenty three, and he claims to be

(01:26:22):
the biggest Trump Mean coin holder and he just bought
like another one hundred million a couple of days ago,
and the set at the sec paused the case, and
Justin Sun was allowed to do a reverse IPO or
a reverse merger with the company SRM Entertainment that makes
souvenirs for Disney, and Trump's sons are an advisor to

(01:26:44):
that company or to the think I mean that closed
that deal. So how could you be under investigation in
twenty twenty three for manipulating his Justin son manipulating accused
allegedly of manipulating his own currency. And then can be
the first crypto blockchain I to, you know, ring.

Speaker 14 (01:27:05):
The bell on Wall Street.

Speaker 8 (01:27:07):
So that that's very interesting as well to me, and
I just you know, again, it goes the whole crypto
thing goes against all this. This is what it was
supposed to to be against, to put the power back
into people's hands, and it's not turning out that way.
And that's one of the big reasons why I just

(01:27:27):
don't feel it was the reason why.

Speaker 14 (01:27:29):
I got in, I tweeted out in twenty twenty two
in July.

Speaker 8 (01:27:34):
You know, I thought cryptocurrency was going to be a tool,
you know of a kind of unjust system and it's
really looking like it's going to just tighten the shackles
even tighter. You're talking if they come out with a
digital fed wallet that they were talking about for everybody,
you know, if you say something or do something and

(01:27:54):
then cut your wallet off, if.

Speaker 14 (01:27:56):
We go there, like, I don't think a lot of
people are looking.

Speaker 8 (01:27:58):
At the future of the bad side to it is
or the bad side of it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
And I just don't think a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:28:07):
I think people are just more they're trying to get
rich quick and I think again a lot of people
are gonna get hurt in the process, and yeah, well
there'll be some winners. I don't think blockchain is going anywhere.
I think it's just you know that the market cap
is almost four trillion. They're talking about in the next
five years that it could go up to fourteen trillion.

(01:28:27):
I mean that, I just don't.

Speaker 15 (01:28:28):
I think it's kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Like right, and let me jump in here for a second.
Here sees eight away from the topic. The fact that
Donald Trump's got to mean uh, you know, do you
think he's uh, He's tipping his hat to his followers
and people of people are gonna say, hey, if Trump's
Name's on it, it's got to be good. He's suppressed
in the United States. It's gotta you know, it's got
I'm going to invest and some of them still think
he's a great business man. Do you think they they

(01:28:51):
they're using that to attract people to buy or invest
in in the Trump mean, oh.

Speaker 8 (01:28:58):
Absolutely, And if you just you know, again looking at
what I said kind of before, you know, there was
one billion of coins made for the Trump Coin, eighty
percent were held by Trump affiliated you know, companies, power players,
and only two hundred million of those coins were publicly sold,
which were a lot of to his investors. It came

(01:29:20):
out at seventy five dollars the top people dumped out
of fifty eight wallets. They said those wallets made massive
games about ten million dollars each, and seven hundred and
sixty four thousand wallets lost money, which I'm assuming those
are mostly Trump supporters that would have bought into that.

(01:29:40):
So that kind of just shows you right there, and
I definitely think they were using his name for it.
I know, I read an article where Trump said, you know,
they asked the reporter asked them to talk about the
Trump coin, and they basically said, I don't really know
nothing about it other than we released it. We launched it,
So that should tell out of his own mouth that

(01:30:03):
he kind of I think it's his.

Speaker 14 (01:30:05):
Son's really, you know, you know, making the decisions on that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:09):
And the what to do and release it, and his
sons for that.

Speaker 15 (01:30:13):
But you know, I think that's exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Serving away from the top of family. Just checking in cove.
This is I guess it's a crypto ex ys give
us the pitfalls of getting involved in the crypto business.
As I mentioned earlier that markam Manheim sent a question
for you. He says, uh. First, he says hello, and
then he wants to know if you see cryptocurrency becoming
the only currency in the United States, and if so,
do you believe that is a good idea.

Speaker 8 (01:30:41):
I think, man, that's a tough question because there's just
so many I think that, Yeah, I think that it's
going to be like stable coins that will come in
into play. My personal opinion, I think you're gonna see
what happened in the dot com era where there was

(01:31:03):
a lot of people investing and then the bubble popped
and Brad Garland House, the CEO of Ripple UH, stated
in twenty nineteen that ninety nine percent of crypto is
going to go to zero and the ones that have
the real world utility are going to survive. And I
absolutely think that will happen. But no, I don't think

(01:31:25):
it's a good thing to have digital money.

Speaker 14 (01:31:30):
Number One, you have to have.

Speaker 8 (01:31:32):
The Internet and be online to make these transactions. There's
no colling right.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
Now that can work offline.

Speaker 8 (01:31:41):
There's some that I've read like you could do a
text message and then that will once you get back online,
it will validate the transaction. I guess it was in
a testing phase. So what happens if all your money's
in the crypto and you know, the power.

Speaker 14 (01:31:57):
Goes out or you don't have an Internet connection, what
are you going to do?

Speaker 8 (01:32:01):
Remember back in I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Remember doing the Biden administration, then President Biden was trying
to take control of the blockchain technology. Opposed to creating
a new coin. He wanted to use blockchain and turn
the dollar into digital currency. I think he even signed

(01:32:25):
an executive order to that effect. Do you see any
possibilities of that because the blockchain is what's not going away?

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
Well yeah, all the cryptos though have to run off
the blockchain or some type of it, so you would
have to have that. I'm not sure what executive voarding
he signed. I don't remember seeing it, not saying he didn't.
I just don't remember any executive order for that. I'll
have to look into that. But you know, it's all

(01:32:58):
on blockchain because calls blockchain is is just a digital
wrecking record keeping system. So for instance, like the block
is a group of data and the chain and are
the blocks linked together in a timeframe. So in that
block you have data, the transaction inflow, a timestamp, a
special code called a hash, and a link to the

(01:33:21):
previous block hash. So it's kind of like a sealed envelope.

Speaker 14 (01:33:24):
If you look at it that way.

Speaker 8 (01:33:25):
The letter inside it or the transactions, the steal is
the block haash that shows that they've been tampered with,
and then a note on the envelope saying what it
is linked to the previous block haash. But yeah, all
these have to run on blockchain.

Speaker 10 (01:33:42):
For it to go.

Speaker 8 (01:33:42):
The code of it or something similar like XRP that
runs on They created their own ledger and they have
computers that do the validate the transactions. They have their
own stable chrone as well.

Speaker 14 (01:33:58):
That they just came out with it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
All right, I'll tell you what. Three minutes away from
the top of that, we got to caught up in
the latest traffic and weather in our different cities. When
we come back and wrap up with Casar. And also,
as I mentioned that, Kerry Gordy's gonna join, says Berry
Gordy some we're going to talk a lot about with
music with Carry, especially with it's Netflix a documentary that's
streaming right now. I want you to check it out.
It's called Sunday's Best. It's getting rave reviews, but he
wants to find out what you guys think about it.

(01:34:22):
So stay tuned, and of course we'll take your phone
calls for Saysar.

Speaker 20 (01:34:27):
Next, you're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the mostess yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
And that rising family. Thanks for staying with us on
this Monday morning, this last Monday in July, the twenty
eighth of July twenty twenty five, speaking with Czar Covanas,
who was talking about cryptocurrency and moment tell her we're
gonna talk music, all aspects of music with Carry. Gordy
has to be Barry Gordy son, but especially more than
just being Barry gordysun family. You're gonna enjoy this, So
call U, pick up your friends, tell them that Kerry

(01:35:23):
Gordy's on the radio. But let's wrap up with Saz though,
says in your estimation. If folks step to you now
and say I want to get involved in cryptocurrency and
I want an honest assessment of getting involved, what would
you tell him.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
I tell people that ask me, now, you know, and
what's going on in the world today with prices and
groceries and just bills to I would stay out of it.
I would I would keep your money, especially like I
believe that there is gonna be that dot com bubble,
and I think I will. A lot of people are

(01:36:00):
gonna put a lot of money into it and just
don't realize how quick it can go.

Speaker 16 (01:36:06):
So my advice is.

Speaker 15 (01:36:09):
To kind of stay away from from the people that
tell me that ask me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
I'm sorry for it.

Speaker 8 (01:36:16):
I just think if it's you know, there's a lot
of you could use your money in other ways right now,
depending But if if someone does have I just always say,
don't invest more than you can afford to lose. Is
my advice if you choose to get into the crypto
game and do your research, like study these companies or

(01:36:38):
who's releasing it, who's behind it, and are they have
a real world you stay away from these mean coins.
Don't listen to these crypto influencers that are just promoting
We'll say, hey, invest now it's going to ten thousand,
or this is the next bitcoin. Because there are a

(01:37:01):
lot of bad actors that I've come across, and I've
tried to, you know, steer people away from them because
I've seen people lose a lot of money in this
game listening and then the scams. I mean, I have
a relative of mine, father in law, got scammed out
of a deep fake. They literally took the CEO of

(01:37:23):
Ripple and it was Ai and he thought he was
gonna basically send your coins to us and we'll double them.
And he lost a lot of money from what I
was told. So I try to tell people just to
stay away from it. I don't invest anymore into it.
The majority of my holdings I've sold. So I still

(01:37:44):
do follow it because I was so early into it
and watching it grow and see, but I tell people
it defeats the purpose of what it was created for,
especially now with the big banks and Wall Street and
private companies are into it. Another thing, just real quick.
You know, you had people like Michael Sailor and Senator

(01:38:04):
Loomis uh talking about uh selling all of our gold
for bitcoin. I mean, it just doesn't make sense to
me that that logic. I think you to sell our
gold reserves for bitcoin.

Speaker 15 (01:38:17):
That again, like the gentleman asked, is it backed by anything?

Speaker 5 (01:38:20):
And it's not backed by.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Anything, right, it's nothing tangible as well. Thank you for
sharing your thoughts with us. If folks who want more information,
do you have an email address? They can if they
you know, some folks are probably in bash that they
even invested in Big coin and probably trying to figure
a way out. Maybe you can help them. Do you
have Do you have an email address you can share?

Speaker 15 (01:38:40):
I can give my social media.

Speaker 8 (01:38:43):
So I'm on Blue Sky it's just Caesar Corvenas c
A E essay r K O, r V I n
US and then they can get me on Twitter. I'm
more on their or X it's just Caesar c A
E s A R M I L l Z. And
then I'm on Facebook. Just see your core buiness. They

(01:39:06):
can reach out to me there if they would like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Thanks. Thanks, thanks, thanks all this information.

Speaker 18 (01:39:13):
With us this morning.

Speaker 15 (01:39:14):
Mark from Anaheim as well.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Alrighty, thanks. He's six after the top of the out
let's welcome our next guest. It happens to be Kerry
Gordy Berry, Gordy Son, Carrie grand Rising. Welcome to the program.

Speaker 5 (01:39:27):
Hey, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
I'm doing well. I'm still learning. I'm hands conversation with you.
I'm learning learning a lot about the music industry. So
thank you for joining us this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:39:37):
But that's no problem. I'm excited and anything that Kathy
asked me to do, I do it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
I got you me too. By the way, right six
after the top of the out let's let's get to it.
The Netflix movie documentary of the streaming right Now Sunday Best.
How did how did that come about?

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Oh? My gosh, okay, Oh there is this amazing Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
I'll start with.

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
My relationship with Sasha Jenkins. Sasha Jenkins is an incredible
director and we worked on three projects together. We worked
on the Rick James projects, and we worked on the
Bismarque project and now this project. So what happens is

(01:40:28):
is that he hooks up with Margot Special who is
Ed Sullivan's granddaughter, and she had this great idea to
do this documentary about her grandfather. And the idea came

(01:40:50):
because as she was someplace, I don't know where she was,
but she was talking to these two women and one
of the women happened to be in back there's Sabbat
Shabbas Malcolm X's doctor for Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:41:05):
And when she.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Started talking to them about her grandfather, they talked to
her like she was some kind of celebrity because her
grandfather was Ed Sullivan. So uh so, anyway it goes.
Then Shabbaz started telling her all of the great things
that Ed Sullivan did for black people, and she was

(01:41:30):
and Margot was blown away by it. So Margot has
a production company and she said, you know what, I
need to make this thing happen. And she started soliciting
different directors and different people, and she hooked up with
this guy by the name of Raffi Marmworth who is

(01:41:56):
the owner of Delirial Delirial Films. Uh, and they got
together and they started putting everything together, and then they
hooked Margot up with Sasha Jenkins. Okay, so now they

(01:42:17):
figure out you know how they're going to do this
regarding not just doing the Ed Sullivant story, but doing
the Ed Sullivant story from a black perspective and a
perspective that people did not know, which is this guy
was the champion for getting black on TV at a

(01:42:42):
specific time where there was no blacks on TV, and
not only getting them on TV, but humanizing them in
a way that had never been done before, because prior
to this, black people on TV were either non exist
or years of US, or Maids or Butler's and that

(01:43:04):
was it. And so what Ed Sullivan did is he
went out and he looked for the best talent. He
didn't care whether they were Black, whether they were Mexican,
whatever they were, and he would put them on his
show against the Kukak Klan, against the sponsors, against the broadcasters.

(01:43:28):
He had this audience of thirty five to fifty million
viewers a week, and he introduced the world to people
like Sammy Davis Junior and Nat King Cole and Ella
Fitzgerald and Sat Small, Louis Armstrong, and it went all
the way up through Dinah Ross and the Supremes and

(01:43:49):
the Temptations and the Jackson Five and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
So they ended up putting this story together.

Speaker 5 (01:43:59):
They called me in as an executive producer, and so
that is the basic story of how it got started.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
Oh wow, it seems like a story of your life,
all the connections that got it to you. And now
it's a reality. It's running on. How long is it
going to be on Netflix? For the folks you haven't
seen it, Well, I.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
Don't know how long it's going to be on. But
here's the thing, it'll be on longer if people, if
people tune in, and we have so far, Oh my gosh,
we've gotten such great accolades. The New York Times gave us.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
Five stars.

Speaker 5 (01:44:42):
Netflix already has us as one of the most liked
of all of their programming. So it's important for when
people go to it, if they love it, to hit
that most like you know, the to hit it twice,

(01:45:02):
so that so that's in the algorithm shows that people
that are coming to it and watching it really really
do love it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
All right, Well, you got your marching orders and people
have seen it, or all the people have telling me
it's been great. I've saw it myself. It's it's you
know what it does, though, it takes you down memory Lane.
You think about because we were watching those shows on
Sunday night, and then we talk about it the next
day at school, and you remember some of the people
you went to school, some of the conversations you had

(01:45:34):
about some of the acts that were on there. And
I think I told you earlier about the conversation had
with Kenny Kenny Gambler where we talked about I'm Gonna
Make You Love Me. I didn't know he wrote that song,
and I was telling him the fact that it was
on the Ed Sullivan Show. And the next day we
were all talking about it in school about you know,

(01:45:55):
how the supremes and attempts and how they did it.
I wrote that song go Wait to Me.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
Yeah. Well, Kenny Gamble is a fantastic writer, and I
obviously a great entrepreneur and was very important for the
black culture with all he did with Philly International. And
for him to say that he saw his songs being

(01:46:20):
performed on the Ed Sullivan Show is amazing because what
the Ed Sullivan Show would do. Ill just give you
an example. See, I was really young, and it's really funny.
I was Michael Jackson's best friend at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
He's ten years old.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
And when I knew him, he was just mighty to me, right,
and he wasn't a star. But they go on the
Ed Sullivan Show, They're seen by fifty million people, and
overnight they become a house whole word the Jackson five.

(01:47:03):
And after that first year of going on the Ed
Sullivan Show, this is unheard of. Their first tour started
at Madison Square Garden. Who does their first tour starting
at Madison Square Garden. But they were able to do

(01:47:23):
that because of the popularity that they got from the
from the U from the Pelvi Show.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
And you know what, I saw that show at sell show.
I showed sew the Garden as well, So he's her
way back guy.

Speaker 8 (01:47:41):
Go.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
In fact, my mother made me take my sisters to
see the show because they were just crazy about the
Jackson five. Is just most young girls were back then,
and and so I actually went to the Garden and
saw that show. But some of the some of the
acts tell us if some of the stories that you know,
like like for example, the Tampson the Supremes when they
were on UH at Suthern, it was some information in
the background.

Speaker 5 (01:48:02):
Well okay, well, first of all, see Ed all Ed
wanted was the best acts. He didn't care what color
you were. He didn't care about any of that stuff.
All he cared about was did he think that his
audience would like it? And and by the way, in

(01:48:24):
the privacy of their own homes. Because remember this was
Jim Crow. This was very you know, they wanted to
keep television white. And and you couldn't touch they They
told him he couldn't touch a black person's hand, he
couldn't shake hands with the champ Joe Lewis. I mean,

(01:48:48):
there was all kinds of things. So it was very
important back then when my father, you know, had Motown,
it was very important for our acts to be We
had a we had a division called Artists Development, and
it was very important that we showed the world that

(01:49:13):
black people had class and had culture and were intelligent
and looked good. So and and it was also important
that we weren't that the the the white audience wasn't
threatened by us. So to that end, we practiced and

(01:49:39):
practice and practice, and by the time it was and
I'm going to start with it with Stevie Wonder that
was our first act from Motown on h on the
Ed Sullivan Show. By the time Uh. Ed Sullivan started
started seeing the Motown act. He started inviting us to

(01:50:02):
the show all the time. So the Supremes appeared multiple
times over ten and.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
So that's the Temptations.

Speaker 5 (01:50:11):
And I think I think that Ed had a little
crush on Diana because they would he would.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
I tell you what carry hold that thought right there.
We got that show, prey. I'll let you let you
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the son of Betty Gordy. To music with carry and
he's got a long history along resume. If you know
an artist, just big out a name, especially a motown artist,

(01:50:44):
and he asks care about it. You'll give your story, family,
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seventy six. I'll take away your phone calls next Grand Rising. Family,
thanks for staying with us on this Monday morning with
I guess Kerry Gordy is the son of Barry Gordy.
We've talked about his music background. He's got a rich

(01:51:06):
music background family. Before we left, though, we're discussing the
documentary that's running on Netflix right now. You can check
it out. It's called Sunday Best. He's the executive producer
of that. And we're talking about and all it is
a background stories with Ed Sullivan on the Ed Sullivan
Shows that was on Sunday Nights and back in the
day in black and Whitey some of you can remember,
some of us remember those days. But Carrie, before he

(01:51:28):
left you, you left us with a cliffhanger. You said
you thought that Ed Sullivan had had the hots for
Dinah Ross.

Speaker 5 (01:51:35):
I don't know if his behind he had a crush
on her, uh inas much as he loved having Dinah
Ross and the Supremes on the show, and he would
always love doing these little talks with Dinah Ross. And

(01:51:56):
and Dinah Ross did something which was kind of of
unheard of. She actually remember he wasn't supposed to touch
a black person's hand and he wasn't supposed to do anything.
Diana Ross actually gave him.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
A kiss on the air.

Speaker 18 (01:52:15):
So, uh, he was, he was, he was.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
He was thrilled with the Supremes. He was thrilled with Diana.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Now you mentioned Stevie was the first person artist motown
artist to be featured on the Ed Sullivan Show. How
did that come about? Was was she sort of a
testing by your dad or how did that come about?

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
Remember Stevie had put out a song. We had put
out a song called Fingertips, uh with with Stevie, this
little blind black kid that was my father's wonder and
and uh so they, you know, they solicited Stevie for

(01:52:57):
the show. And Ed Sullivan, by the way, who picked
every single artist that went on that show. It was
his pick, one hundred percent. He picked Stevie. And my
father was so thrilled because he almost couldn't believe that

(01:53:22):
one of his artists were actually going to be on
the Ed Sullivan Show. Because Ed Sullivan had the biggest
artist in history, white, black, everybody. He couldn't believe it. So, yeah,
I believe that was in nineteen sixty three. I'm not
sure the date, but I believe it was in sixty three.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
One of the things that found out and I just
hand from you about the pushback that Ed Sullivan got
because you know, we're as few as we didn't know,
you know, you know, we just so how we got
a black person on TV. We were just happy to
see a black face on TV back in the day,
but we didn't know. He got some pushback and you talk.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
About that, Oh my gosh, it was it was a
nightmare for him.

Speaker 5 (01:54:05):
I'm talking about not just from a professional standpoint, but
from a physical standpoint. He had the Ku kuks Klan
and all of the white the premises groups doing everything
they could to make sure that that they didn't have

(01:54:29):
black people on the air. They had the sponsors that
were actually taking you know, unsponsoring him for for you know,
for his show because they had black people on the air,

(01:54:50):
the broadcasters and the censors, because he had black people
on the air. It was an night mayor and he
was a true hero and a true champion. It was
the place that we as black people could go on

(01:55:12):
Sunday nights and see, finally see somebody that looked like
us with dignity and respect. Can you imagine never having
the chance to have seen Sammy Davis Junior or nat
King Cole uh Or or Louis Armstrong, Pearl Bailey. Uh,

(01:55:38):
it just goes on and on.

Speaker 18 (01:55:40):
So yes, if we carry what.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Was it about him though that he felt that you know,
these are at these these artists, they've got. They've got
a gift that niece the world needs to know about
because you know he obviously he wasn't thinking like most
like many white folks of his time.

Speaker 5 (01:55:58):
Well, here's the thing. He he was an Irish. His
parents were Irish immigrants, and he grew up in Harlem,
and when the Irish came over, they were looked at
as lazy and drunkards and all of this kind of stuff.

(01:56:21):
And Ed Sulliphant's father knew that wasn't correct, and knew
that the Irish were just as good and just as
intelligent and hardworking as any other people. And for them
to be kind of spat upon like that created this

(01:56:45):
thing where they weren't prejudiced against anybody, including Blacks and
Jews or whoever it was Mexicans. They didn't care. And
Ed grew up with that philosophy. And also, since he
grew up in Harlem, he got to see first hand

(01:57:11):
the talent that black people had, so he really really
I'm not going to give the whole story of because
we give the story in the in the documentary on Netflix,
but boy, oh boy, there's a specific reason that he

(01:57:35):
really didn't have any prejudice and he despised people who did,
and he became that champion with his thirty five to
fifty million a week audience.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Wow twenty and after Tough, I foundly just checking in
Kerry Gordy's I guess Carrie's a son of a Barry
Guardian And we're talking about his documentary that's streaming on
Netflix right now. It's called Sunday. Best check it out
if you haven't. It's great to give us some background
stores to some of the artists that appeared on the
Ed Sullivan Show. But prime that you know Barry's got

(01:58:12):
to carry actually said he's got his hands in a
lot of different musical works as well. He worked for
a Paisley Park that's Prince's outfit. Also worked with Rick James.
Tell us about that biz marquee. Also, if you're in DC,
you know that he due Henton School. He was helped
to raise money for the Duke Helton, the School of
Performing Arts. Also, he's got to play that's going on

(01:58:33):
as well. So you know, let's start with how did
you get involved with Prince at Paisley Park for example?

Speaker 5 (01:58:41):
Okay, well it's really funny. I worked for Motown for
fourteen years starting in the mail room, and I did
every job that you can imagine. I did an R
which is artist and repertoire. I did some business affairs.
I did some fineance, I did some marketing and sales
and distribution and over this. Oh, and I was also

(01:59:04):
an artist for the company. I had a little teen
idol band called Apollo in the late seventies. And at
one point my father came to me and said, I'm
going to sell the company. And as opposed to him,
thinking that I was going no, that, don't do it,

(01:59:24):
I was like, great, now I can get out and
do my own thing. And so I got out there
and I started hustling, and I ended up with a
job as a consultant for Print, and then that job
took me all the way to where I was running

(01:59:44):
his company. So I ran Paisley Park. I have nine gold,
platinum and multi platinum albums. And I was the guy
that was with him while he was Print, but also
when he changed his name to the inaudible symbol that
people called our artists formerly known as Print. So you

(02:00:06):
can imagine all the crazy stories that I have to
tell as it relates to Print. So that's it, and
so we ended up doing an amazing job and after
he changed his name. It was very important for us
to get a hit record where we weren't on Warner Brothers,

(02:00:27):
where we were independent, and we had the most Beautiful
Girl in the World, and that was basically through our
let's call it guerrilla warfare style marketing promotion. We didn't
have a major conglomerate, we didn't have everything. It was
just basically me and Prince and Al Bell from Stax

(02:00:52):
who had a company called Bellmark at the time, that
we put our forces together and we ended up getting
him a number one record all around the world with
most Beautiful Girl in the World. After uh he left,
he left.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Warner Brothers thirty minutes at the top of Kerry Gordy.
I remember that incident with Warner Brothers. In fact, they
had a meeting in Burbank. I went to the meeting
with Abney. He says, I'm taking to a meeting. I said,
I says, what's what's the meeting? He says, a prince.
You know the story about a prince. You've been reported
by a prince and all Moe Austin, all those big
guys at Warner Brothers and the record comers there because

(02:01:27):
they were concerned that what Prince was doing would would
really reshape the record industry. Can you talk a little
about that why he decided, you know, to change his
name and wanted his own to control his own music.

Speaker 5 (02:01:41):
Yes, well, okay, so this is this is the story
of kind of how it all happened. We were we
were putting out records at Warner Brothers. The company was
Paisley Park, but it was funded by Warner Brothers. And
what happens is is that Prince was so prolific. He

(02:02:03):
could literally and this is this is literally no joke.
He could do a song from beginning to end. I'm
talking about I'm talking about write it, produce it, arrange it,
master it, and get it ready and get it done
in one deck. So say he had ten records on

(02:02:26):
an album, right, he could literally have the album done
in ten days. His thing was, listen, I'm doing these records,
and I want my records out when I finished them.
And Warner Brothers was like, listen, if you put out
a record every time you finish it, then it's not

(02:02:49):
an event because we need time to market and promote
and blah blah blah and Prince was like, listen, I'm
finished the record. Now it has a vibe. Vibe now,
I don't know what the vibe is gonna be in
three or six months.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
I want it out now.

Speaker 5 (02:03:06):
And basically, Warner Brothers basically told him no, right, because
they had just paid him an exorbitant advance, and they're like,
you know this is you know, it's our company. We're
going to put it out when we want to. And
then he came to the conclusion that well, if that's

(02:03:28):
the case, then I'm a slave, right. I mean a
very well taked, well paid slave, but a slave nonetheless.
So uh he came to me and he basically said,
I went off Warner Brothers. And I was just like, uh, well,
let's let's let's let's.

Speaker 13 (02:03:49):
Talk to Mo and Mo.

Speaker 5 (02:03:51):
Well, Mo Austin was the chairman of Warner Brothers. Uh
and Mo Austin uh and and and I made a
deal with that we could do one record outside of
Warner Brothers as long as we didn't use Warner Brothers

(02:04:11):
marketing machinery, and we didn't use any of his competitions
marketing machinery. And so he said, as long as we
do it through an independent organization. Then you guys are
okay and go ahead and do that. So Prince agreed

(02:04:32):
with it. Oh and they wanted to and they wanted
Prince to do the Batman soundtrack, and so Prince said, okay,
I'll do that. So anyway, we actually put this whole
most Beautiful Girl in the World thing together with with

(02:04:53):
Mo and Warner Brothers okay them, thinking that you know,
they would see, we would see we didn't have a
machinery and all of this kind of stuff, and it
would just be one of those records that just fell
by the wayside and everybody would be happy.

Speaker 4 (02:05:09):
But I got with Al Bell and Al Bell.

Speaker 5 (02:05:14):
Is the former owner of Stat Records. He had a
company called Bellmark. Now I worked with Al on a
couple of his Bellmark releases, Whooped There It Is and
Daisy Dukes look at them girls with the Daisy Dukes
son and and so when I brought this concept to

(02:05:39):
Al Bell, he said, absolutely, I'll get involved with this
and we'll we'll take it to the top. And so basically,
I mean, there's a lot of stories in that, but
basically that's what we ended up doing, taking that one
song to the top with the Oka of Warner Brothers
and the embarrassment for Warner Brothers that we actually did

(02:06:03):
it without their machinery.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
Wow, you know, because I know black radio played a
big part in That's how I got to the meeting
with Avner. But let me ask you this in twenty
four minutes away from the top of our family, just
checking in, I guess is Kerry Gordy's Berry Gordy Son.
We're talking about music with him. You've got a question
about any artist that you may know of, because he's
worked with a lot of artists, not just motown artists.
And this is this man, need to pose a question

(02:06:29):
to again. You can reach this eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight is seventy six, Carrie. Of all
the artists that you've worked with, and you've worked with
a lot of artists, who would you say, I'm gonna
put you on the spot now, brother, who would you
say is the most talented of all the artists that
you've worked with? All the artists, not just even if
you worked with but you've know, you've known their talent,

(02:06:49):
You've seen them in the studio, You've seen how they perform,
you know how they can write and it's a long
list because Smoke is on that list as well. About
Rick James, you talked about Prince Steve, the Tamps, the Supreme,
you just name it. They've been on that list. But
we're come on on the break. We'll come back from
the break. Tell us in your estimation, which one of
these artists that you saw that you've worked with, you said, Wow,

(02:07:12):
this dude or this person or this group is super
super talented. I'll let you respond to that when we
get back. Family, you want to join this conversation with
Carry Gordy, reach out to us eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll take all
your phone calls.

Speaker 7 (02:07:25):
Next Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, hang on.

Speaker 1 (02:07:55):
Rising, family, just checking in there. Thank you for doing
so on this last day, this last Monday of Lie
twenty twenty five, nineteen minutes away from the top of
that with Carry Gordy, I mused to be Berry Gordy's son.
Before we go back to that, let me just remind
you they're coming up later this week. You're and hear
from clinical psychologist doctor Jeromey Fox. Chairman Fred Hampton is
going to be with us. Also metaphysician doctor b also
black politics expert doctor James Hill. All going to be here.

(02:08:17):
So if you're in Baltimore, make sure your rader is
locked in tight on ten ten WLB. If we're in
the DMV, run FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen fifteen WL and carry. Got a bunch of folks
from across the country. Got questions for you before we
go to the phone though. Uh my question I sort
of put you on the spot there because you've known
a lot of artis you probably know more artists than
than most people do. Uh, would you consider the most

(02:08:39):
talented out of all the people? That's the artists that
you've worked with at least, let's let's narrate it down
to that then.

Speaker 5 (02:08:45):
Okay, So that's that's a hard question because talent goes
through a lot of different areas. So there's there's performing talent,
there's there's writing talent, there's singing talent, and each of
those has their own has their own kind of category.

(02:09:06):
So if we're talking from a writing and a writing perspective,
a writing perspective, I would say it would be Smokey Robinson.
I mean, who writes the song like, if there's a
smile on my face, you'll see my smile.

Speaker 4 (02:09:29):
Looks out of place.

Speaker 5 (02:09:31):
But if you look closer, it's easy to trace the
tracks of my tears. I mean, who writes stuff like that?

Speaker 10 (02:09:40):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:09:40):
So I would say Smoky and Stevie with regard to
the writing side of it. With regard to the entertainment
side of it, I would give that to Michael Jackson
because I believe that Michael Jackson from an entertainment standpoint,

(02:10:06):
was amazing, and also from a vocal standpoint, I would
definitely give it to Michael and Stevie because they are just,
you know, incredible vocalists with the ability with dexterity to

(02:10:27):
do to do you know, any type of ribs and
runs and stuff. Now, it's really funny because Michael did
not really show how really amazing his his dexterity was
in later years. Remember when he would do Who's Loving You?

(02:10:48):
As a child, he was showing that off. But then
he became more of a caricature of himself because I'm bad, bad,
you know he was. He had at a rite, so
he did what he ended up, you know, having that thing.
So every time that you would hear a Michael Jackson record,

(02:11:12):
even if you've never heard it before, you knew that
was Michael Jackson.

Speaker 4 (02:11:15):
And the same with Stevie Wonder and the same with Smoky.

Speaker 5 (02:11:18):
Now with regard to actual musicianship, I'd have to give
it to Stevie and Prince because those are the guys
who played every single instrument on some of their albums.
I mean every instrument, and not only did they write

(02:11:41):
the songs, they were amazing musicians and arrangers and conductors.
They were incredible. And as it relates to producing, I
would give that to I guess I would give that
to Trent, Stevie and Rick James Fitch. That's that's that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:12:13):
Before I take the calls for he let me just
share this real quick story that was Smoking told me
about Tears of Her Clown Since you mentioned Tears of
a Clown and Stevie said, Stevie wrote the intro to
that with the clown music. The music there and it
was they were at a Motown Christmas party and Stevie
says he couldn't come up with any words. The Smoke
says he was just party at the party. Then he

(02:12:34):
took it home, listened to it that's how he came
up with tears of her clown. But I just wanted
to throw that in since she mentioned both of them.
By the way, for the La Pizza Smokes is going
to be at the Greek this weekend eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, fourteen minutes.
Wait for the topic I mentioned. We got some folks
want to talk to you. Let's go to Toronto. First,
Norman's online one Grand Rising. Norman, you're on with Kerry Gordy, Oh.

Speaker 21 (02:12:55):
Grand Rising, both of you brothers. I wanted to ask
about al Bill and also I wanted to ask you
about David Ruffing, Eddie Kendricks and Stevie Wonder working together.
But al Bill had a song out called on his label,
The Good Thing Man. I forgot that. I think the brothers.

(02:13:19):
The brother's last name was Lucas, and then he had
The Good Thing Woman by Margie Evans and that was
on his on his independent label. And then it's my
understanding that Stevie recorded the song with David Ruffing and
Eddie Kendricks. I don't think it was ever released because

(02:13:40):
you Those are the two questions I had for you.

Speaker 5 (02:13:44):
Okay, First of all, I don't know. At Motown, we
had the studio, it was twenty It ran twenty four
hours a day, and people clamored around the studio to
get time. They called it. They called it traffic right.

(02:14:08):
You would get into the you would get into that
traffic cue and so literally it was running twenty four
hours a day. So there were hundreds of songs that
you would have never heard by a lot of people
because the songs that ended up getting released were songs

(02:14:30):
that went through an extensive our A and R process
where the company would get, you know, all of their
A and R executives together, and they would pick those,
say those gems. Maybe if there was one hundred songs,
ten might make an album. So I can't speak specifically

(02:14:54):
to Uh, to the song that Eddie and Stevie and
uh Uh and and David did together. I can't speak
specifically to that, but I can speak to the fact
that they definitely did they definitely did records together. I
mean the way that Motown was, it was like everybody

(02:15:15):
was a family. So that's how Martha Reeves got uh.
That's that's how Martha Reeves got Uh. She was she
was a secretary on a day that Dinah Ross didn't
come into the studio and she ended up singing a song.
They were like, WHOA, she's great, right, Or Marvin Gay

(02:15:38):
would was a drummer, right and if if if the
drummer was late, he would just come in and even
drum for whoever, whoever's session it was on. Everybody was
a family, and everybody in the beginning, Uh, participated in
everybody's sessions, you know. Uh if if it's sometimes the

(02:16:00):
supremes would come in and clap on other people's records.

Speaker 4 (02:16:04):
You know, it was just a family.

Speaker 5 (02:16:07):
So to that end, there are hundreds of songs or
maybe even thousands of songs that the world has never
heard that that were done.

Speaker 1 (02:16:22):
Hell, do you have a follow a question? Norman? Real quick?

Speaker 5 (02:16:27):
Yes, Yes, he asked about Sack. He asked about Sack.
He asked about Sack. I mean, not Sack, al Bell
and the song that he did and uh where he
had I guess a female version, of a male version
and a female version.

Speaker 3 (02:16:46):
Uh.

Speaker 22 (02:16:46):
I remember that.

Speaker 5 (02:16:48):
I remember that, but I can't speak specifically to it.
I know that al Bell was a marketing genius with
everything that he did.

Speaker 12 (02:16:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:17:00):
At back and then even what people don't know is
Al Bell ended up My father ended up hiring Al
Bell to be the president of Motown after after Stacks.

Speaker 1 (02:17:18):
Did not know that always learning ten away from the
top of our family. With Kerry Gordy, Berry Gordy some
we're talking about music, now black music. This is history.
You're going to learn some stuff that you've never heard before.
Let me just share this with the family because I
shared a picture with Carrie. We're interviewing his dad, Barry
Gordy and Stevie was there an Abner, Stevie's manager at
the time. So at the interview that we're joking around

(02:17:39):
and I told your dad, please give me some dirt
on Steve, give me some dirt so you know, next
time I asked for a raise, I can use it.
Steve grabs a mic and in unison all three of
them said, what happens at Motown stays at Motown. I
just thought about when you said you guys are a family.
He was like a family affair and they all laughed

(02:18:00):
because I know there's some of them stories out there
the Bowtown stores. But I guess is that the way
your father trying to make the company make it like
a family affair.

Speaker 5 (02:18:10):
It wasn't like a family affair. It was a family affair.
In other words, my father had two families. He had
a creative family and he had a biological family, and
he had to maneuver between those two families. And so
I just grew up understanding that. I understand that because

(02:18:32):
for all intents and purposes, Stevie and Diana and Smokey
and the Temptations and the Supremes and the Marvelettes and
Marvin Gate, they were all his children. And so if
an event would happen, say if Michael Jackson had an

(02:18:53):
event on my birthday, I knew for a fact that
my father would be at the Michael Jackson event. And
it didn't bug me at all. I got a kick
out of it. But for some of my other brothers
and sisters, it may not have been such a such
a great thing, because you have to understand the passion

(02:19:14):
and the vision to really understand, you know, someone who's
in the mindset.

Speaker 17 (02:19:21):
Of my father.

Speaker 1 (02:19:23):
All right, we got some more folks want to talk
to you. Eight hundred four or five seventy eight seventy six.
Feodore is in Baltimore. He's online five, Theodore, your question
for Kerry Gordy.

Speaker 17 (02:19:32):
Grand Rising had question but a couple of points.

Speaker 3 (02:19:34):
First of all, I like to say this.

Speaker 17 (02:19:38):
First, Sam Cook, Jackie Wilson, Nat King Cole, the lead
singer for Shallamar and Levi steps to me that was
the five greatest voices of our music. Doing that pretty time.
You may want to chattle me on that. Secondly, I
think the fact that we were naturally guys on the corner,

(02:19:58):
everybody going to school, living together, segregate, segregated, that contributed
toward it. And I think it's so unnatural seeing these
shows like Americans got talent.

Speaker 4 (02:20:10):
I don't.

Speaker 17 (02:20:10):
I don't think that. I think the talent pool that
they have on those shows is less than the more
natural way that we had when we had that music.
And I also asked you for the last part, did
your father just sell his company without telling his artists
ahead of time? Was is that true?

Speaker 15 (02:20:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
Thanks for at all?

Speaker 5 (02:20:34):
Okay, okay, So let's go uh uh okay. So you
you had three three things here?

Speaker 4 (02:20:40):
What were those?

Speaker 5 (02:20:40):
What were those five artists names that you that.

Speaker 17 (02:20:43):
Sam Cook, Sam Cook, Jackie Wilson, Natkin Cole, the lead
single of Shallama and uh Levi Stubbs, and then you
could put a David Rouffanel just for that one song,
my girl. Those are the five greatest voices during the
period of that truth up.

Speaker 4 (02:21:00):
Do you agree?

Speaker 5 (02:21:02):
First of all, I do agree that some of those
are the are the greatest voices. But I you know,
it's like you got oh my gosh, you got Stevie Wonder,
and you got and and you have Luca Van Draws.
I mean you have I mean, but leaviself, you know,
I particularly loved Dennis Edwards. I love Dennis Edwards. So

(02:21:26):
it's very hard to say. But those fives that you
picked I definitely think would be in my top ten.

Speaker 1 (02:21:34):
All right, thanks, he at all away from the top
of the out You want to say something actual, Kerrie, No,
he had.

Speaker 5 (02:21:41):
He had he had a second question. What was that
second question, Kevin?

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
Do you recall a second question that Jason's second question?
What was saying about I think it was saying about
today's talent shows that the talent, the music that we had,
the talent that we had back then was much more
better than these talent shows on TV now.

Speaker 5 (02:22:01):
Yeah, well, I think the talent, I think the talent,
the talent was was better.

Speaker 4 (02:22:07):
I think that I don't know. I think that.

Speaker 5 (02:22:13):
The way that the talent is found today is not
nearly as organic. It's more sensationalized.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:22:25):
Uh, the talent that was working on the Chitlin circuit
and you know, touring all over the place and doing
everything that they had to do to get visible. It
wasn't like you got visible from doing uh, from doing
you know, a an American idol. It was like you
were hitting all the you were hitting all of the

(02:22:47):
different clubs and and doing all the stuff that you
had to do. It wasn't like there was an overnight
success thing happening, like they're like there can be now,
you know, with the Internet and.

Speaker 4 (02:23:03):
And and and some of those shows.

Speaker 5 (02:23:06):
The only show back then that had that effect was
the Ed Sullivan Show.

Speaker 3 (02:23:13):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:23:14):
But Ed Sullivan was very discerning on the talent that he.

Speaker 5 (02:23:20):
Picked for his for for his show. And that's why, uh,
it's important for every person who loves music and loves
truth uh to see this Ed Sullivan documentary which is
called Sunday Best on on Netflix. But also every black

(02:23:44):
person needs to see it and they need to share
it with their children and the younger generation because I
believe that we lose our culture as time goes on,
and I don't think other ethnicities do. The Jewish people

(02:24:06):
keep their stuff going. You know you're gonna you're gonna
always hold.

Speaker 1 (02:24:09):
Up all right there, carry because you're hitting on some
great points there. I absolutely agree. If you've got some
more people want to talk to you now the question
about Rockwell countor Louisiana as well, and we'll let you
answer all of those. Let me get back. It's three
minutes away from the top there. Foundly, Kerry Gordon, you
want to join this discussion, reach out to us. Eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six will
get you in. We'll take a call some next.

Speaker 7 (02:24:35):
You're fucking with the most submissive the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
And grandarizing family. Thanks for rolling with us on this
Monday morning here with Kerry Gordy is the son of
Barry Gordon, but it's much more of this than just
Barry's son. Family. He's got a long, long as I mentioned,
if he was an artist, he'd have a huge catalog
of music, and he's got a lot of stories. He's
going to share with us. So, you know, before we left,
he was talking about the documentary that he's produced called
Sunday Best. It is now streaming on Netflix, and Carrie,

(02:25:27):
I'm gonna let you, you know, finish that point where
he says that that we as a people don't necessarily
pass on our information, our history, to our to our
to our generation and the generations behind us.

Speaker 5 (02:25:40):
Yeah, it's really interesting. I was talking to someone, a
twenty four year old the other day and I was
telling him that I was doing something with Stevie Wonder
and he said, who's Stevie Wonder? And I I thought,

(02:26:01):
oh my gosh, how can anybody in the black race
not know who Stevie Wonder is?

Speaker 15 (02:26:09):
That was?

Speaker 5 (02:26:09):
That was that was shocking to me. And to that end,
I realized that we have to educate our children. Uh
so we don't lose our history because even with Motown,
I think we have one more generation that's going to

(02:26:29):
know Motown unless we actually educate those uh that that
public because no one's gonna lose Elvis and no one's
going to lose the Beatles because that white generation is
not going to let that happen.

Speaker 3 (02:26:47):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:26:48):
And so it's important for us to tell these.

Speaker 13 (02:26:51):
Stories and for our children.

Speaker 5 (02:26:54):
To embrace these stories or to know the older generation
needs to pass that down. It very much concerns me,
especially with kind of the way the administration is today,
because our history is being canceled out as well.

Speaker 1 (02:27:14):
Excellent point. That's why I foundly telly friends to go
watch the movie. It's on Netflix. It's called Sunday Best.
We're going to get in some other stuff that Carrie
is involved in his current gigs. They call him the
Robinhood of the business. We're going to get into that
as well. Before tay another call, I got a question
a tweet for you from Louisiana. Brother Leroy says, can
you ask you a guest about his brother Rockwell? That song?

(02:27:37):
Somebody's watching me? That song is unique song and how
did his brother come up with a concept, especially adding
Michael Jackson to the vocals? And he says added, I
still listen to it even in my senior years.

Speaker 5 (02:27:48):
Okay. Now, this is a very interesting song to me
because as an A and R person at Motown's, this
was my first hit record. Okay, And so what happens
is is my younger brother, Rockwell, he would come to

(02:28:09):
me every day. I was a junior executive in the
company in Motown. He would come to me every single
day with these different songs, and I would reject every.

Speaker 4 (02:28:21):
Song that he came to me with.

Speaker 5 (02:28:24):
And he thought that I was just hating on him
and didn't want to see him successful. But we came
up in a family where we were just honest about
what it is, and we kind of couldn't care about
your feelings because the fact of the matter is is
we needed our product to be better. So one day

(02:28:45):
Rockwell brings in this song to our to our writing
team and it was somebody's watching me and the song
was I'd say, seventy percent done. And so we had
this group. It was called Penthouse, and so we got
And the thing about Penhouse was we never took credit

(02:29:10):
for anything that we kind of fixed up in Penthouse.
So he would have he had his song and he
played it for us and we thought it was great,
but we thought he had some things that needed to
be changed or needed to be added to. For instance,
he would say, when I come home at night, or
what a scary fright?

Speaker 4 (02:29:31):
We said, no, no, no, no, when you come.

Speaker 5 (02:29:33):
Home at night, you both the door real type. Right,
people call me on the phone, I'm trying to avoid
but can people on TV see me?

Speaker 4 (02:29:41):
Or am I just paranoid?

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:29:43):
And so he would do that, and then when he
got to the end of the song, when he got
to the end of the song, we said, listen, you
have to say something that everybody can identify with, right,
And he came up with, when I'm in the shower,
I'm afraid to wash my hair, might open my eyes

(02:30:04):
find someone standing there. People think I'm crazy just a
little touch, but maybe showers remind me of cycle too much?
And I thought that was great because the fact of
the matter is that I know that everybody has been
in the shower at one time or another, and thought,
wait a minute, is there somebody here?

Speaker 3 (02:30:25):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:30:25):
And then the last one that I thought was great
is when he said, oh what a mess.

Speaker 4 (02:30:31):
I wonder who's watching me?

Speaker 5 (02:30:32):
Now?

Speaker 3 (02:30:33):
Who the irs?

Speaker 5 (02:30:35):
Right?

Speaker 17 (02:30:36):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (02:30:36):
So anyway we got that song done. He was just
a writer, he wasn't a singer at the time. So
we ended up giving that song to Todd Bridges, and
Todd Bridges was on that Different Stroke show, right, And
Todd Bridges went into the studio and he recorded it,

(02:30:57):
and when we brought it out the studio, my young
brother Rockwell said, this is horrible. I could do it
better than this, right, And so he then went into
the studio and recorded it with that English accent in
the whole shot, and we loved it.

Speaker 4 (02:31:16):
So now this is my first song.

Speaker 5 (02:31:19):
As an an R guy, and I allocated this one
hundred and eighty four thousand dollars to do this album.
But my father did not know that we signed my
little brother.

Speaker 10 (02:31:32):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:31:32):
So when my father gets the note that there was
one hundred and eighty four thousand dollars spent on this
new app right and the act was rock Well, then
he found out Rockwell was his son. He called me
and he said, what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (02:31:46):
This is crazy. You spent one hundred and eighty four
thousand dollars of my thing to do rock Well.

Speaker 5 (02:31:52):
He said, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (02:31:54):
You have one chance to sign somebody and you signed
your brother.

Speaker 5 (02:31:57):
That's ridiculous. You're going to be a loser here because
you should have went out and found the best person.
I said, no, this is a great song, dad, this
is great. He said, listen. I signed Dinah Ross, I
signed Smokey Robinson. I signed Stevie Wonder, I signed Marvin
Gay and you signed Effan rock Well, right, and so

(02:32:19):
he said any money that does not recoup on this
record is coming out of your salary. Hence, I was
at the Motown studio when Michael Jackson was doing beat
the Beat It video. Michael Jackson walks out and he said,
how's everything going? And I said, well, it's not going

(02:32:39):
too well because I got a problem because I signed
rock Well Kennedy his name was Kennedy h and and
my father is really upset with it. And you know,
rock was kind of out on the street and Michael
said that's awful, right.

Speaker 4 (02:32:55):
He said, is there anything I can do to help?

Speaker 14 (02:32:57):
And I said, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:32:59):
Why don't you give rock Will a call? And he
caught Rockwell and he physically asked Rockwell to be on
the record, not the other way around.

Speaker 1 (02:33:11):
Thanks Leo I for sending that question for Louisiana eight
hundred and four five zero seventy eight to seventy Sis
Kerry Gordy's I Guess Family and Jason has a question
for you. Is calling from Baltimore's online too? Grand Rising Jason,
you're on with Kerry Gordy.

Speaker 18 (02:33:25):
Wow, I truly envy you, sir, as a child, just
the stories you probably have experienced with these legends.

Speaker 3 (02:33:32):
So just all.

Speaker 18 (02:33:34):
Praises from the Creator for you and your family, your father,
and the legacy that your family has truly left our community.
As a DJ, I still play Motown music classic motown
music on a regular so, but I was asking you
in reference to something that I had a discussion with
Patrick Henderson. He's a world renow gospel singer who passed

(02:33:55):
away last year. Leon Russell was one of the ones
that rock legend that gave.

Speaker 4 (02:34:01):
Him his start.

Speaker 5 (02:34:02):
Insisted that he had a piano.

Speaker 18 (02:34:04):
On stage front and center, right next to Leon Russell,
so the world got to see this beautiful black man
play and sing and perform.

Speaker 3 (02:34:12):
Around the globe.

Speaker 18 (02:34:14):
One of the things that we talked about was, you
know that there were some comments and reference to possibly
Dick Clark having some racial bias, But from what we understand,
Dick Clark faced it, so did At Sullivan faced it.
It was the network censors. Even Richard Pryor talked about it.

(02:34:34):
It was almost like they were the blackness beliee. If
something was too black or considered to be too black.
They were the ones that really were kind of mocked
in the iconic movie Hairspray, you know as separating the
children from who just wanted to dance and they wanted
to dance together as black and white children. They just
wanted to dance together. Can you answer to that? Is

(02:34:57):
that some of the things that you found in your
docum entry and I'm gonna check out your documentary to night, sir,
and again thank you for your service to our community.
But have you found that it was really the producers
and the censor police, you know, so you know, to
kind of label them that were the ones that were
the cause of the racial bias and a lot of
programming back then, well it was.

Speaker 5 (02:35:18):
The culture that that that influenced the sensor police.

Speaker 3 (02:35:24):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:35:24):
And by the way, this this this goes up until
still today it's not nearly is bad. But uh, until
very recently, you know, a white person or a white
man with a black woman or vice versa was taboo.

(02:35:45):
You know, back then, it was unheard of. And yet
there was a sensor police.

Speaker 3 (02:35:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:35:54):
Uh, there was a sensor police, and they wanted to
heath television white. It was a focused concept. They wanted
to keep television white, and had it not been for

(02:36:14):
Ed Sullivan, television might still be white today. Think about this,
my father. Now you know the Isley Brothers.

Speaker 4 (02:36:24):
There's nothing white about the Isley.

Speaker 5 (02:36:26):
Brothers at all. My father, in his let's call it genius,
decided that he would put white people at the beach
with a beach ball on an Isley Brothers cover because
he knew that he would not get his records racked.

Speaker 4 (02:36:50):
Front and center if they had a black face on them.

Speaker 5 (02:36:54):
So in the beginning, you know, whether it was Mickey's
Monkey or this so Heart of Mine or whatever it was,
my father would not put black faces on those records
anything that he had to sell in the South. No,
and not only that, he did not even have black
executives to go down to market and sell his records

(02:37:18):
because he knew he didn't know who was hiding behind
a Kukak clan mask. So he wanted the people that
he was selling to to feel like.

Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
The people that were selling to them were the same
as them.

Speaker 5 (02:37:34):
So, in general, my father had Italian people doing the
marketing and promotion, and he had Jewish people doing the
accounting and.

Speaker 10 (02:37:47):
Legal.

Speaker 5 (02:37:48):
For all intents and purposes, so yet it was a
very definitive thing to keep black people off of TV,
very definitive, and Selvin changed.

Speaker 1 (02:38:05):
It fourteen after topic. I remember those bought some of
those albums too, just you know, there's no pictures on
the album, but also had a tag on it the
sound of Young America. Not the sound of Black America,
but the sound of young America. Was that was that
part of the scheme too, to get these records not
just played on black radio, but on pop stations as well.

Speaker 21 (02:38:25):
Well.

Speaker 5 (02:38:25):
Well, first of all, it was to see it was
the sound of young America. It was we had we
had music for everybody. It was just that we had
black talent doing it. But listen to this as even
as recently as Rock well, think about this as recently
as Rock Well, when we put out his record, we

(02:38:48):
only put his eyes on the cover in black and white,
so you couldn't tell that he was a black person
because we were going after NTV. That's how recently. It
was one after MTV at the time, and we could
not we did not want people to know that this
was a black act because MTV at the time wasn't

(02:39:13):
really playing that many black acts. And right before that,
they were playing no black acts. So the fact of
the matter is is that and that that that's pretty
recent history.

Speaker 1 (02:39:25):
Sure is fifteen after the top of Idrison, more folks
want to talk to you, Kerry Rix called us from
Northeast DC's online three Grand Rising Ricky're on with Kerry, Gordy.

Speaker 13 (02:39:35):
Grand Rising, Kevin Carl and Carry Gordy and the Radio
one listening audience. I got a couple quick questions, a
couple of quick comments, if I may want to start
out with yea Smokey Robinson you were saying, you know,
probably your greatest songwriter, and even Bob Dylan, who would
have rocked in folk audience, you know, put him on top.

(02:40:00):
Even Bob Dylan said Smokey Robinson was the America's greatest poet. Carlin,
I know you said last week you were mentioning the
diner Ross temptations I'm Gonna make You Love You, I'm
Gonna make you Love Me, and that they performed that
on Ed Cellar. First of all, Ed Sullivan, Absolutely, I'm

(02:40:20):
gonna see the documentary and a lot of memories of
watching Ed Sullivan for sure. But I remember a special
on NBC in nineteen sixty eight. I was about ten
years old. Then called TCB, which stood for taking Care
of Business, and that was a whole special with Dyna

(02:40:40):
Row I mean, the Temptations in the Supremes or I
guess maybe it was just Dina Ross and I can't
remember exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:40:47):
No, it was. It was and the Supremes and the
Temptations TCB taking care of Business.

Speaker 4 (02:40:53):
It was.

Speaker 9 (02:40:54):
It was.

Speaker 5 (02:40:54):
It was a phenomenon because it was the first time
that black people actually had a network special, and we
did it right.

Speaker 1 (02:41:06):
I hold that thought for that Fellas we step aside
for a few moments, we'll come back. We'll pick up
the story from there. TCB. We've remembered that show as well.
Eight ero seventy eight seventy six. You two can speak
to Kerry Gordon, Barry Gordy son, reach out to us
and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 2 (02:41:20):
Next.

Speaker 7 (02:41:22):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (02:41:44):
Anger Rising Family, Thanks for sticking with us on this
Monday morning here with our guest. Kerry Gordy is one
of Barry Gordy's sons. And if you're talking music here
and specific well we're really talking about the documentary Sunday Best.
That's streaming now on Netflix. He wants you to check
that out. He's the executive producer of that show. It's
a show by the way, you know, it's about the
background the stories about Ed Sullivan's show. They used to

(02:42:04):
be on Sunday nights on TV and back in the
black and white days. Uh, let's go back to Rick though.
Rick asked some questions for it. He's in Northeast Washington,
d c Rick. I'll let you pose your question again
for Carrie.

Speaker 13 (02:42:15):
Appreciate that. Yeah, appreciate for the whole meal. So I
wanted to know what was first Don Ross and the
Temptations doing I'm Gonna Make You Love Me on Ed
Sullivan or was it the TCV show? And then I
had a couple of quick comments. What was your answer
on that, Carrie? Which what was first the TCB or
the Ed Sullivan's show. H.

Speaker 5 (02:42:39):
They definitely came on the Ed Sullivant Show first, because
remember remember UH, Ed Sullivan had the Temptations and the
Supremes on multiple times. Perhaps there the Supreme might.

Speaker 4 (02:42:58):
Have been and I'm not sure UH might have been
on more.

Speaker 5 (02:43:02):
Than anybody else. UH as a as a recording act,
definitely as a black recording act right, he loved.

Speaker 13 (02:43:10):
So that was the supreme Yeah, got you, got you.
So I also remember watching the hits Field Motown documentary.
I don't know if that was on Showtime whatever that was,
and you you had you were in that a little
bit too, a great documentary if anybody haven't seen that
one uh uh. Two other quick things. Uh uh that

(02:43:30):
twenty four year old that didn't know Stevie Wonder. I
really fought the parents and the grandparents. So that one
past that was all that that was really shocking.

Speaker 20 (02:43:40):
And uh uh uh.

Speaker 13 (02:43:42):
Now I missed the part where you were talking about,
you know, as southern. He was Irish, right or was
he j Yes, Yes, he was Irish. Okay, so he
he saw that the Irish people were, you know, did
not like blacks, and he did he didn't like that.
So he made as I was with because I kind
of missed that part of the little bit. I've described
that part.

Speaker 7 (02:44:02):
In other words.

Speaker 4 (02:44:03):
In other words, it's almost.

Speaker 5 (02:44:05):
Like, how can a blind person be prejudiced against another color?

Speaker 4 (02:44:09):
They don't see color?

Speaker 5 (02:44:11):
So he was he was like, you know, I was
my people were oppressed and for no good reason, and
so why would I have a hand in oppressing another
people for no good reason when actually they, in my opinion,
are the most talented. Why would we not share that

(02:44:35):
talent of all of these black, incredible folks with the world.

Speaker 4 (02:44:41):
Why wouldn't we do that?

Speaker 13 (02:44:42):
That's what I thought. You said. One last thing, car
appreciate it and love carry h just just a little
trivia being to wash it Tonian. Now, of course Ed
Sullivan supposed you know, he was introduced the Beatles on
the Ed Sullivan's show. I think it was whatever year
that will But actually their first American appearance was here

(02:45:03):
in Washington, d C. At the Old U Line Arena
and they later called it the Washington Coliseum, and I
know that was in nineteen sixty four, so that was
the actual first American appearance for the Beatles. So anyway,
that's just some trivia, great great interview, great show. Call
to carry and peace and blessings to both of you.

Speaker 16 (02:45:23):
Have a blessed day.

Speaker 13 (02:45:24):
Thank you, I love you.

Speaker 1 (02:45:26):
And since you mentioned Washington, DC, Carriy, can you tell
us about your relationship with the Duke Ellton School here
in the district.

Speaker 5 (02:45:33):
Yeah, it's really funny. There was a lady by the
name of Peggy Cooper k Frids, and her goal was
to create this, this Duke Ellington Museum, I mean Duke
Ellington's school, and she created it in Georgetown and it
was nice. But the point is is they brought kids

(02:45:53):
in that were talented, a lot of underprivileged kids, but
mostly ended up being mostly black kids. And after she
put this school together, this was the school that had
the highest graduation rate in the DC area and had
the lowest paid teachers and the lowest budget. And she

(02:46:17):
came to me and she said, KG, how can you
help me get some money for the school? And I said, well,
you know what, we can create this Legends concert and
but we have to have an anchor. And so I said, okay,
here's what we're gonna do. I know that that Stevie

(02:46:40):
wonder is, you know, love Duke Ellington. And when I
would tell him the story about having the highest graduation
rate and the lowest paid teachers in an urban community,
I knew that would hit his heart. So I asked
the school to write me a letter in Braille and

(02:47:00):
I would hand it to Stevie personally. And so they
wrote me the letter. I handed it to Stevie personally
he got all, you know, emotional and everything, and he
decided to donate a piano to the school and to
do a concert for the school. We were trying to

(02:47:22):
raise five hundred thousand dollars and we raised a million two.
So now we raised this million two for the school,
and Peggy wanted to use all of the money to
get instruments and stuff like that. I said, yeah, we
can use most of the money to do that to
pay teachers and stuff, but let's use the other to
market the school, to create an intellectual property brand for

(02:47:45):
the school that no other school in America had. And
so that's what we did. And then we were able
to get Sting and Paul Simon and Patty LaBelle and
Robinson and people of that nature to come do concerts
for the school, and we ended up raising about seven

(02:48:09):
and a half million dollars or somewhere around there. And
then the Peggy went to I believe it was the
Board of Education and they were like, well, how is
this one school in America getting all of this incredible talent.
It's the only high school in America that could do that.
And the Board of Education ended up or whoever it was,

(02:48:30):
ended up giving them one hundred and eighty million dollars
to build a new school. And that is the baddest
high school with the baddest auditorium in the whole country.
And it's due to Stevie starting it off, the guy
who also is responsible or partly responsible for the Martin

(02:48:55):
Luther King Holiday, partly because he is able to get on.
Ed Sullivan in nineteen sixty three, connecting.

Speaker 1 (02:49:05):
The Dodger, I said twenty eight after the top day,
our family, just checking in. That's Kerry Gordon. That's Berry
Gordy Sundry when I talk about it later about him
being the so called Robinhood of the music business. Before
we do that, let's go to Michigan. Jay's couch. I
think it's in the Detroit Areas online four Grand Rich
and Jay, you're only Kerry Gordy.

Speaker 22 (02:49:22):
Yeah, Grand Rising Carl, thanks for having one our legends on.
Grew up five minutes away from the studio en the
boulevard next to Cole's funeral.

Speaker 4 (02:49:38):
Wow.

Speaker 22 (02:49:39):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, And you know I.

Speaker 4 (02:49:41):
Lived I lived in that house. I lived there for
four years of my life.

Speaker 22 (02:49:48):
And your mother was instrumental in the development the start
of Motown. I don't know if you. I didn't catch
the beginning of the show, but that's one of the
reasons why I wanted to call. I wanted to pay
homage to your moms because she was so instrumental in
the beginnings of Motown records. So did you Did you

(02:50:10):
talk about that?

Speaker 15 (02:50:11):
No?

Speaker 5 (02:50:12):
I did not talk about that, but thank you for that. Yeah,
my mother was a child prodigy. She had gone to
cast text and she played Alma, he played Uh. She
played eleven instruments, and she did all all of the
arrangements in the beginning, all of the arrangements for all

(02:50:33):
of the music, and the background vocals for all the
stuff in the beginning of most Actually, before it was Motown,
it was called Raver back then, and then UH and
then it became Tamla, which kind of morphed into Motown, right,
but anyway it goes. Yeah, she was the one in
the studio with the people, and she was she was

(02:50:56):
like the greatest soldier that my father could have had
because she kind of took care of all of the
people and she was the conflict resolution person. Not only that,
but the person who did all of the arrangements and
music and when you hear stuff like that is her

(02:51:24):
and her background singers singing on those records.

Speaker 22 (02:51:30):
And playing one of those instruments of the dream Come true.
And you know from that Temptation Meet the Temptations album.
So much, so much is my question. I got so
much I want to say. The first thing I want
to say is the Mogtown legacy shows. The operative word

(02:51:52):
would be family. You know, there's no popsigority, no mother versa,
there's no very verier, third or arrier. Yeah, and just
that that whole atmosphere because growing up in that era,
Detroit was one big family and Motown was the soundtrack
of our lives. And I agree wholeheartedly with you when

(02:52:13):
you talked about who's the most talented, you know, as
far as Stevie and Prince and then the voices, and
we can't forget far as entertainer Jackie Wilson. Oh yeah, mister, yeah, yeah,
mister entertainment. So you know so much I wanted to
say just growing up in Detroit, because you talk about

(02:52:33):
the greatest series of concerts I ever seen in my life,
and I've seen music all over the world and all genres.
The Motortown Review and I just recently saw Smoky over
in Windsor got a chance to personally talk to Paul Riser,
who was in the audience, you know, one of their

(02:52:55):
own sung heroes also, And could you talk about smoke
even it up? You know this concert about the Motortown review,
the different shows they would do and uh down at
the Fox Theater and that was, you know, probably the
first series of concerts out when they first established it,

(02:53:15):
you know down at the Fox. Could could you talk
about that? And There's a million other things I'd like
to say, but that before another time, because Karl knows
me has always come in and uh elevate you know,
our music. I got to hear Detroit Firs. I'm concerned
the greatest talent of all time. No Town changed music internationally,

(02:53:38):
not only naturally, but internationally changed the whole scope and
specter of popular music and rage relation and rac no
doubt about it. That's my other point I was going
to make. It brought people together, for sure, and it
was part of that family atmosphere growing up in Detroit,

(02:53:59):
you know, just a few years older than you, so
you know, one of the first forty five my oldest
sister book was Your Heart belongs to me by the
Supremes before they even made it big.

Speaker 5 (02:54:12):
So okay, well wait a minute, so let's let let's
go with that. I'm gonna answer your question. I'm gonna
use that example that she had. Okay, So we had
a philosophy, and my father had a philosophy that if
he picked an artist like Diana Ross or Stevie Wonder
or whoever, it was right. If he picked that artist
and the artist didn't have a hit, he didn't blame

(02:54:33):
the artist.

Speaker 4 (02:54:34):
He blamed himself.

Speaker 5 (02:54:35):
He would say, Okay, wait a minute, we didn't do
the right marketing, we didn't have the right song, we
didn't have the right producer, we didn't do something correctly.
But it's not the artist fault because we signed the
artists because we knew they were great. So the Supreme
literally had six records prior to Where Did Our Love Go?

(02:54:56):
And everybody thought Where Did Our Love Go?

Speaker 4 (02:55:00):
Was their first.

Speaker 5 (02:55:00):
Record, but it was their seventh record because we kept
putting out records on the Supremes and they didn't work.
And my body was like, I don't care what happens,
I'm never going to drop this girl. Because everybody was
saying drop the Supremes, they're no they're no good. He's like,
I'm never going to drop them, right, and you guys
just keep going until we get that smash.

Speaker 2 (02:55:20):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:55:20):
So now this is during the beginning of the Motown Review.

Speaker 5 (02:55:25):
So and in the Motown Review, you would they would
go around and they would take all of the acts,
all of the top acts from Motown, and they would
take the top ones and put them on the top
of the bill. And that would be like Marvin Gay
and Stevie Wonder because they had hit right, and the
Supremes would be on the total bottom of the bill
because they had no hit right. But he wanted to

(02:55:46):
get to popularize, so they would go around and then
their seventh record comes out, where the Our Love Go,
and the record goes all the way to number one
top right. By the tour, they were moving up as
the record was going up. By the end of the tour,
the Supremes with a headliner on the tour, right. So

(02:56:10):
that's that's how it goes. That's how it goes.

Speaker 22 (02:56:15):
Yeah, I can remember sitting down there for show after show,
they had the show all the great artists, and then
they show a movie for intermission and then you get
ready for the next show. So it was incredible. I
can't even explain the atmosphere and the dynamics that was
going on in the city during that particular time, you know,

(02:56:38):
being a child of the fifties and the sixties, it's incredible,
you know, and talking about that history. That's one of
my goals, and it's been my goal for years, is
educating the younger generations. And last point, there are still
some great singers out here is just the music industry
doesn't necessarily promote especially great R and B singers or

(02:57:03):
even gospel singers. Can you go in any black church
today and some of the greatest singers that you never
heard of a singer right as you know, young singers
a singer right as we speak.

Speaker 4 (02:57:15):
Well, well, here's here, here's here's the problem.

Speaker 13 (02:57:18):
Here's the problem.

Speaker 5 (02:57:19):
Before it was our job as the record company to
popular rise and to market and to market the artist,
so we just looked for artists with the greatest talent. Nowadays,
what happens is the companies don't want to sign anybody
until they're already popularized through the internet. So if somebody

(02:57:43):
has ten ten million hits, then then they'll then the
record companies will look at signing them. But you know what,
the Internet is really stickled because you can get ten
million hits by going I want to twilet, I want
to toilet, I want to toilet, just because that's so viral. Right,

(02:58:03):
So what happens is there would have never been a
Stevie Wonder or Michael Jackson or Nat king Call or
Sammy Davis had Sammy and Stevie and Michael had to
do that social media marketing because their focus was on
their creative talent. They're writing and they're performing.

Speaker 1 (02:58:22):
Who that was there carry out I'll let you finish
explaining that. Responding to Jay's question, Also when you come back,
I want to share to share with the audience that
Rick James story when Rick James and Jay Alaska that meeting,
I want you to share that with us. Twenty three
minutes away from the top of our family Carry Gordy's
I guess he's Barry Gordy's Southern and he's got this
documentary that streaming now on Netflix is called Sunday Best.

(02:58:43):
He wants you to check that out. And you got
questions about motown reach out to us as eight hundred
and four or five, zero, seventy eight, seventy six and
were ticket calls house.

Speaker 7 (02:58:56):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (02:59:00):
H thank Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us

(02:59:20):
on this some Monday morning here with our guest carry
Gordy Berry Gordy Sun discussing Motown and more discussing especially
he wants you to watch the documentary Sunday Best. It
is now streaming on Netflix, so check it out.

Speaker 2 (02:59:31):
Carrie.

Speaker 1 (02:59:31):
I'm gonna let you respond to today's question and then
if you tell us about they didn't counter with Rick James,
give us a Rick James story.

Speaker 5 (02:59:39):
Oh my gosh, okay, Uh yeah, I did a documentary
called Bitch and I guess it's the Theory of Rick
James or something like that. It's on paramount plot. But
anyway goes.

Speaker 3 (02:59:55):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:59:57):
Rick was as far as I'm concerned as a manager,
Rick was my favorite client of all. Everybody thought that
Rick was this, you know, super freak uh kind of person.

(03:00:17):
Uh and and and he was to a certain extent.
But uh it was the marketing and promotion and the
p R that that made him that.

Speaker 3 (03:00:30):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:00:30):
And what happens is is when we do marketing and PR,
what we do is we tell the audience, uh, exactly
what we want them to know about the about the act,
and we try our best to hide the things that

(03:00:51):
we don't want them to know.

Speaker 3 (03:00:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:00:53):
In Rick's case, UH, Rick became this uh let's it,
the king of punk funk, and he had this brand
that was kind of super freaky. And so what happens

(03:01:15):
is is that he started believing the press about him
that we were putting out. So he actually became this
person that he really wasn't. I mean, obviously he had
it inside of him from the beginning, but he became

(03:01:36):
this person through money and power and all of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (03:01:41):
So what happens is is that.

Speaker 5 (03:01:45):
At the Super Freak tour, Rick made ooh, he made
us forty million dollars.

Speaker 10 (03:01:56):
Right.

Speaker 5 (03:01:56):
But the next album, Throwing Down, came out and with
Dance with Me, it wasn't as big of a hit,
and he went on tour and he only made thirteen
million dollars. So what happens is is that when he
turned in an album, the company would give him a
million dollar check. And so he was going to turn

(03:02:17):
in his Throwing Down album and he went into the
Jay Lasker's office, who was the president of Motown at
the time, and he said, I don't give a care.
He didn't use the word care. I'm saying that because
of the radio. I don't give a care about this
million dollars. Sell my fing records, right, so that I

(03:02:41):
can make some money on tour. Right, And Jay, you know,
had the million dollar check written out, and Rick was
really really mad, and he went over to Jay's office, right,
and then he he put cocaine down on the doesn't
cut it up, and he started snorting in front of

(03:03:03):
Rick Ja, I mean in front of the president, which
was Jay Lasker at the time. And I'm sitting back, going,
oh my god, this is a nightmare. And then he
snorts in and jumps up on Jay Lasker's desk and
kind of puts this critch in Jay space and says,
tell my and then he takes the check and walks out.

(03:03:27):
And then Jay Lasker looks over at me and he says, line,
old Richie. And that was the end of rick career
at Motown.

Speaker 1 (03:03:39):
What a story way from the top. Yeah, I got
to get in this this end for you, because now
they call you the Robinhood of the business. Can you
explain why you got that, Monica.

Speaker 5 (03:03:51):
Yes, because what I do is I do copyright termination
and recapture. So I terminate contracts for people who are
signing their rights over early in their careers, before they
had the leverage to make the best deals for themselves,
and I use that leverage to either get their copyrights
back or to leverage the company into giving them a

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deal that you know, respectable. And so for instance, we
got Smokey Robinson a lot of money, over twenty million dollars,
and we got Valley Simpson over ten million dollars, and
Rick James a whole bunch of money, and and a

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whole bunch of the artists that had been taking advantage
of UH and not just from Motown or Universal perspective,
but for your Warner Brothers and everybody else we got
we were getting either right back or we're getting able

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to negotiate better settlements. You know, they have lobbyists in
Congress and all this kind of stuff, and of course
you know, they don't want to lose their copyright, so
it's a real big fight. But my clients end up
calling me Robinhood because I'm the advocate for artists who

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have been not treated fairly from a financial point of
view or a rights owner point of view. And that
started with my relationship with Prince when we decided that
we wanted our we wanted our copyrights back.

Speaker 1 (03:05:34):
Can folks still contact you now if they, you know,
feel that they got beat? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:05:40):
The problem is it's a it's a very labor intensive,
time intensive and capital intensive venture for me, So it
has to be worth that. It has to be worth it.
In other words, if they have hit. Yes, But there's
also a real issue. There's a finite window, uh, in

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which you have to get your copyrights back, and if
you don't get them back or at least to terminate them,
if you don't notice to terminate in a certain amount
of time, then you lose that ability and the current
copyright owner gets to keep it imperpetuity. So yeah, people

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people can read. People can DM me at Kerrie Gordy
Official uh with my instagram Carrie Gordy Official and that's
k E at k E R R Y g O
R G y O F F I C A l
uh and and they can they can dm me uh,

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and I can you know uh? And one of the
people from my staff can U can you know get
back to them and tell them if it's you know,
if if if if we can help them, but we
can certainly guide them in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (03:06:56):
Gotcha. Seventy eight calling us from Northeast DC Online One
Grand Rising, Sam, your question for Kerry Gordy.

Speaker 11 (03:07:06):
Yeah, my greatest singing at the time, you know, it
was Billy Student. Respect I hear in d C. I
all thinks Billy Steward in the marvel Litz. That's all
I have to see. Also that I know.

Speaker 4 (03:07:20):
Talking about the summertime, the guy who went that guy.

Speaker 11 (03:07:25):
Yeah right, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (03:07:29):
I remember that.

Speaker 4 (03:07:30):
I remember that. By the way, I lived in DC
at that time.

Speaker 13 (03:07:35):
Oh yeah, I'm over in Northeast Billy Steward.

Speaker 11 (03:07:37):
And also my greatest women's group was the Marvel Litz.

Speaker 5 (03:07:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that was great. Well, thank you for that.

Speaker 13 (03:07:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:07:48):
Okay, no way from topic our jeans Online. Two come
from Baltimore, Gene. Your question for Kerry.

Speaker 23 (03:07:53):
Gordy Grand Rise Singing, mister Gordy and mister Nelson.

Speaker 14 (03:07:59):
Did you know of.

Speaker 23 (03:08:02):
A man named Arbor Joe Hunter and what happened to
his musical career? That's the first question. The second question
is who writes the musical notes for a song, and
how is it determined the instruments to be used in
a song?

Speaker 5 (03:08:21):
Okay, okay. First of all, I did know Ivy Joe Hunter,
and he was a good friend of buying, and he
was the first person that I ever knew that.

Speaker 16 (03:08:31):
Wore dreads dreads in his hair.

Speaker 5 (03:08:35):
He didn't, and I was just I was I was shocked.
I was shocked because I was like, how do you
call it? Because when you're the first to do that, it's, uh,
it's a strange thing. It was like I just thought

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that he was that that he was ungroomed by uh,
you know, twisting his hair like that.

Speaker 3 (03:09:03):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:09:03):
He was a really good guy and I and I
and I really loved him and we were really and
he was very very close to my mother, very very
close to my mother. So he frequented the house along
with a lot of other of the of the Motown
acts quite quite frequently. The second question, what was your
second question?

Speaker 1 (03:09:24):
I'm sorry the questions about line of notes, who writes and.

Speaker 5 (03:09:28):
The well the liner notes, by the way, liner notes
are almost a thing of the past now because you
don't have the album covers. It's a whole it's a
whole different thing.

Speaker 3 (03:09:43):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:09:43):
There there were publicists.

Speaker 6 (03:09:45):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:09:46):
There were publicists that were inside of the companies and
publicists on the outside of the companies who were real
fans of.

Speaker 3 (03:09:55):
The of the artists.

Speaker 5 (03:09:57):
And what they would do is they would get with
the artists, and the artists would kind of tell their story,
and then you'd have those pr people write those liner
notes for the for for for the uh.

Speaker 3 (03:10:12):
For the for the albums. Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:10:14):
And you said something about instruments as well.

Speaker 1 (03:10:16):
Did you know she said something about, I guess you're
trying to figure out what comes for us to track
all the vocals.

Speaker 5 (03:10:23):
Going okay, that's a total, total writers thing.

Speaker 20 (03:10:27):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:10:28):
Whenever I write, it's usually the track first. I mean,
sometimes it's the concept first, where you get a concept,
right uh uh, But but a lot of times it's
the track. It just depends on who's doing it. H
on on who's doing it.

Speaker 3 (03:10:45):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:10:46):
I think Smokey loves to come up with that concept first,
and then he puts the music around it and so
forth and so on. Stevie does them both at the
same time a lot of times. Yeah, it just depends
on where the inspiration comes from. You can be walking
down the street. Uh, and the billboard, you know that

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there's you know, love don't Love nobody and say, oh,
that's a great concept. Let me let me, let me,
let me, let me work on that. Or you can
hear a track and say, oh, I would love to
do something that has a vibe like this, right, So
that's that's very individual, all right.

Speaker 1 (03:11:25):
Six away from the top. Lisa's called for Luisiana and Lisa,
can you make it real quick for us? Your question
for Kerry Gordy's Lisa's online four Kevin, Is Lisa still there?
And I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, all right, real
quick your question?

Speaker 5 (03:11:43):
Yes, good morning to you both. My question is, was
the What's going On album the first album that got
a million dollar budget to produce? Well, first of all,
I don't know what the budget was for uh, for
What's Going going On?

Speaker 3 (03:12:01):
I don't think that.

Speaker 5 (03:12:03):
I mean, there was, there's obviously a budget. But Marvin
uh was just in the studio, UH coming up with
this thing, this this album, and he had all of
the best you know, the Funk Brother musicians and UH
and he was just like living in the studio, UH,

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coming up with this thing. And he was when Smokey
would ask him, hey, man, how's it coming. Uh, Marvin
would say, hey, listen this song. I am not writing
this album. God is writing this album. So it's just
it's just flowing out of me. So I can't say
whether it was the first album to get a million
dollar budget. I would I would imagine not because that

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would be a tremendous amount of money back then to
do to do an album. But I I really wouldn't
know the answer to that question, but I would say
that I would say that I doubt very seriously whether
there was a million dollars spent on on the on
that album.

Speaker 1 (03:13:12):
At Lisa, we got to move on because I got
next question real quickly. Thank you, Yeah, thank you, Lisa.
And I'm gonna I'll read the question because Sarah calling
from Baltimore. She wanted to know if your family ever
regretted moving to California and leaving Detroit.

Speaker 3 (03:13:26):
No.

Speaker 5 (03:13:28):
What happens is we kind of had to leave Detroit
because well, first of all, my father went out there
for the Supremes to do a h I guess it
was Tarzan, a Tarzan show in the middle of the winter,
like around Christmas or something. And he ended up everybody

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ended up swimming that that day, and he was like,
oh my god, the climate out here is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (03:13:57):
Right.

Speaker 5 (03:13:57):
But more than that, he wanted to get in the
TV and movies and things like that, and the only
place to do that was kind of into cal in California.
The second thing is is that because we were in
most we were in Detroit, and we were so famous,

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we were the target. We were targets for everything, and
we didn't want to be the only target. And when
you come out to California, there are so many stars
and so many people of great wealth and all of
this kind of stuff, and the celebrities kind of kind
of mold into the culture as opposed to being store

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thumbs and sticking out. So it was safer for us
to be in California, and it was better for the
for expanding motown records into motown industries.

Speaker 7 (03:14:58):
Thanks Garry fourteen fIF E W O. L.