Willie Ricks on Black Power, Dr. Malveaux on Economy, & Dele Ogun’s Slave Ship Story

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Grant Rising, family, and thanks for making us part of
your morning ritual. Later, civil rights icon William Acossa Rix
will check into our classroom. Now. Willie was one of
the prominent civil rights activists back in the day, and
he actually coined the term black power and march with
doctor King Kwameter Ray, John Lewis and other members of Snake.

(00:20):
But before we hear from Willie, Ricks, economist and author
join us. No, before we hear him, We're going to
speak with economists doctor Julian Malvaux. She's's gonna talk about
the nation's economy where it stands in its possible direction.
You know, Donald Trump says we're doing well in the economy.
So we'll hear what uh, doctor Malvaux. Doctor Malvaux, by
the ways, mit graduate. So she's a nose slatter when

(00:43):
it comes to economy. Also, we're gonna hear from attorney
and author Delhi. Oh God, he's going to draw us
live from London to discuss his book. His book is
Tyler Slave Ship called Jesus Momentality. Detroit based activist Dennis
Boatwright will check in. But first let's get Vin to
open the classroom doors. This morning, Grand rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Grand Rising, indeed, brother Carl Nelson, My man, my man,
it's the eleventh of December and Thursday all over the world.
Well like, okay, they're parts of the world that's already
a Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
I think. Either way, it's too past the hour of
six am.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
And you got to get a pretty early in the
morning to be a part of the Carl Nelson Joe University.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
So it's officially open.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
As I dropped the gavel and say, how you feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Carl Nelson, how you feel I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm
still learning.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh yeah, of course, that's one of the atomic habits.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
You see.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I like to quote book titles sometimes, and James Claire
wrote a book called Atomic Habits, and in that book
it mentions tiny habits such as being a perpetual student
can lead to greatness.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
And so here we are with that.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Great because if he recalls Kevin yesterday, Malcolm's daughter Yes
said that that's what her dad was. It's all about learning,
she says, you always learned. I'm surprised. Well, I shouldn't
say I was surprised, but I was taken back when
she mentioned that that's what dad. What she got from
her mom and dad about learning, always learning. You got

(02:14):
to always be open.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, and that's what makes it atomic. See, and Adam
is a small little thing like a mustard seed. And
yet when it explodes, then you know, it impresses everyone,
the environment, the country, if you will. And so I
could go on and on and on with such philosophical things.
Let's get this message from the White House. You were

(02:37):
talking about the president's take on the economy. Well, he
delivered a message. Since taking office, President Donald J. Trump
has made substantial progress reversing the inflation and cost of
living disaster he inherited from the recklessness of the Biden administration.
Now remember this is straight from the White House website. Now, okay,

(02:57):
so President Trump is also clear there is still important
work ahead to ensure every American feels the full benefit
of lower costs. While Democrats attempt to con Americans into
believing they're the champions of affordability, the reality is that
the Democrats created the problem and President Trump is stopping

(03:19):
at nothing to fix it. On inflation, he says that
he tamed Biden's inflation crisis and is working to bring
it down further. Under Biden, inflation average nearly five percent
and hit nine point one percent amid the worst inflation
crisis in decades, and in President Trump's second term, inflation

(03:39):
has dropped to an average of just two point seven percent.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
True or false? Is that true?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, I'm gonna leave that up to our guess. Coming up.
Economy starts at Cheulan Malvaux. Is she only how to
break down those numbers?

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
And everything is blaming on Biden. What he saw, though, Kenn,
He saw the affordabilding. This is why New York Meyrill
candidate one and won the election in New York if
if you know, the rent is too high and New
York is too expensively, and he saw that other candidates
copy that and they were victorious. So he sees that
keyword affordability. You're going to hear that quite a bit
from going out, you know, into the next election cycle.

(04:17):
So this is what he's jumping. It is trying to
get ahead of the game. And he was saying that,
you know, the thing is people are paying more inflation,
You're still here. So whatever he says, it's not working,
but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
And in spite of all of the furloughs and government layoffs,
and job decreasing. He says on wages, the Americans have
made real wage gains and work continues on reversing the
damage they suffered under Biden. He said American workers lost
over twenty nine hundred dollars in purchasing power because of

(04:48):
inflation under Biden. In President Trump's second term, even after
accounting for higher prices, Americans' real wages have grown by
nearly four percent, or nearly seven hundred dollars, and on
on track to grow by nearly twelve hundred dollars after
his first full year in office. See he hasn't even
had a full year in office yet. On gas prices, again,

(05:10):
this is a quote from the White House website, So
this is endorsed.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
By President Donald J. Trump.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
His name is right there, biggest all daytime, and it
says on gas prices, Americans are spending less on gas
than they have in years, and this is only the beginning. Underbiden,
gas prices were the highest they have ever been, even
after he drained our strategic reserves. In President Trump's term,
gas prices have fallen to the lowest average price in

(05:38):
six hundred and eighty two days, and Americans are on
track to spend the lowest amount of their disposable income
on gas. In the last two decades, in fact, average
gas prices have dipped below three dollars per gallon in
thirty six states, below two seventy five per gallon in
twenty states, and below two dollars and fifty cent per
gallon in five states. And there you on housing, he says,

(06:01):
housing affordability.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
They don't have to give it the whole test because
it's you know, people know. Now, come on, he's going
to blame everything on Biden, and the question is about
the gas prices. To Kevin, the Saudis, The Saudis and
Dinner get along with Biden. So that's they could control
the gas prices because they control the pipeline coming into America.
So that's why the prices. They kept the prices on high.

(06:25):
That's why we paid. If you notice the prices dropped.
Even with the price of gasoline drop in we still
have an inflation problem because gasoline, this is where it
all starts. Everything is trucked around in this country or
flowing around this country. So even though and the prices
and the economy is still going down, even with the
price of oil going down, so you know, you got

(06:46):
to put those things together. But Saudi's his friends. That's
why the gas prices are lower. That's basically what it is.
But what else is happening.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
In other news?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
According to see Ann Politics, three separate US strengths on
alas drug boats have initially left survivors. Each time they've
been treated differently. Remember the first one, hexcept ordered that
the survivors were killed, and he shows a submarine shortly
before it hit by a missile strike on October sixteenth,

(07:17):
the strike left to survivors and from Columbia and Ecuador
after being detained by the US Navy. But what happened
next to the survivors varied greatly. When two were detained again,
one was left to float in the ocean and it's
presumed dead. Two more have been at the center of
intense scrutiny. In recent weeks. The contrast and treatment has happened,

(07:39):
while policy on how the military will handle survivors remained steady.
According to defense officials, what all that means is they
are still up in the air is to whether that
was a war crime that was committed or is it policy.
Last week, Admiral Frank Mitch Bradley met with lawmakers on

(08:02):
Capitol Hill and closed door.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Meetings to explain the attack.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Bradley was the commander of Joint Special Operations Command at
the time of the strike and oversaw the attack, and
the Secretary of Defense Defense round the Pete HESEF and
the White House said Bradley was ultimately the official who
directed the follow on strikes and that they support his decision.
And Bradley told the lawmakers he ordered a second strike

(08:27):
to destroy the remains of the vessel which killed the
two survivors, on the grounds that it appeared that part
of the vessel remained afloat because it's still held cocaine,
which is.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Still yet to be proven.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
The survivors could hypothetically have floated to safety, been rescued,
and carried on with trafficking the drugs. Man, this is
like some TV show or something, man, you know, with
a weak script.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
What do you think about.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
That, Kyle, right, because we haven't seen, you know, any
of the drugs have been found. Did they float or
they go to the bottom of the ocean along with
the bodies of those those people were you know contacted. Hey,
it's just it's just still more to prove, Kevin, because
that's why we have the Coast Guard. You know, they
go all the way down there to stump. Why to
let the Coast Guard stumb? That's their job.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But anyway, well, Sarah Harrison, the former Associated General Counsel
that the Pentagon, said, they're breaking the law either way.
They're killing civilians in the first place, and then if
you assume they're combatants, it's also unlawful under the law
of armed conflict. If somebody is hard day combat I
guess that's the Italian or is that Latin and no

(09:37):
longer able to find, then they have to be treated humanely.
The second time the military foundc of average after an
initial strike, the response was very different. So this story
is going to go on and on, and so rather
than drag this on and on, I'm going to leave
it to.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
You, Carl. That's the way it is.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
On the eleventh of December, Oh, one last story, though,
the US seized his sanctioned oil tanker off the coast
of Venezuela, Trump says, and the US has seized them yesterday,
a move that sent oil prices higher and sharply escalated
tensions between Washington and Caracas.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Quote from the President.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
We've just seized the tanker on the coast of Venezuela,
a large tanker, very large, largest one ever actually, And
other things are happening, said President Trump, who has been
pressuring Venezuelan President Nicholas Maduro to step down.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Help us make sense of.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
This, Carl, just to tell me how to make sense
of that. You know, obviously they want the oil. Now
we know this is what they really want, not just Madure.
They want regime change in Venezuela. And the oil was
heading to Cuba, and not one of the other folks
that considered a pariah by the White House. So you know,
it's all adding up. Yeah, if those of you have

(10:54):
listened to this program for quite some time, way back
when Mark from Anaheim told us all this was going
to happen, it's just right now. That's why you haven't
heard from Hi quite a big Kevin. He's just sitting
back popping popcorn. He said, I told you so.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
That's why. Hey.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Look, but the Venezuelan government, in a statement, accused the
US of blatant theft and described the caizar as an
act of international piracy. It said it would denounce the
incident before international bodies. So now the commander in chief
is more of the commander of the pirates. I tell you, man,

(11:32):
it's way way too much. Your guest is standing behind Carl.
Thanks for your time as we continue on the Thursday
edition of The Cal Nelson Morning Show.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
University take it away, Carl.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
All right, thanks Kevin, and I guess as Kezin Mesher
standing by Dennis Bolt right. He's the director of the
Center for Pan African Studies in Detroit. Dennis grand Rising,
Welcome to the program.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Grand Rising, and thanks for having me on your show.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
And Dennis, we have a ritual for first time guest.
You know, we need to know a little bit of
your background before we get into your subject, so go ahead.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Oh yes, thanks and you know, I just, you know,
thank you for allowing me to be on this show.
And you know, it's an honor to be on a
platform that people like doctor Ronald wall Turns, Francis Cris Welson,
doctor Claude Anders, and people who are my heroes, especially
one of your guests that's gonna come on later, doctor
Juliet Malville. Yes, as you said, my name is Dennis

(12:31):
boat Ryan, the director at the Center for Pan African Studies,
which is a civil society organization headquartered in Detroit, Michigan.
And what we have been doing for the last few
years because we see Africa is slowly waking up, so
we're trying to train younger people to understand diplomacy and
international relations so that we can engage Africa more efficiently

(12:56):
than what we have been doing in the past.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
All Right, Dannis, you say we're an inflection point here
for black people globally. I hope it's black people globally,
just we're looking at a geopolitical shift. Can you explain
that to the family.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yes, I would like to persist my explanation of the
geopolitical shift by saying, you know, all everything changes, and
right now the world is experiencing one of the biggest
geopolitical shifts since the end of World War Two. And
what I mean by this is that power is moving
away from a Western dominated system towards a multi polar

(13:38):
world where Africa, Asia, Medical East and also a Latin
America play a much greater role. For Africans and the
African diaspora. This moment is not only a challenge, but
it's a historic opportunity and when we understand this geopolitical
shils or some others call it an inflection point, and

(13:59):
we begin to position ourselves strategically and unite our economic
and political power, we can shape outcomes instead of hoping
for a miracle to happen or some savior to fall
out the sky. Now, mister Nelson, I would love to
explain what a geopolitical shift is, and by quite frankly,

(14:19):
a geopolitical shift, although it sounds like a big word,
it's rather simple. And what it is is a rearrangement
of global power.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well, let me ask you this, how much of this
because we're reflecting what's going on with the shale nations,
because you mentioned there's sort of been an awakening, a
global black awakening of Afghans, of Pan Afghanists, if you will,
how much of this is caused by what we see
that's taking place right now in the shale nations.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
There's a lot taking place, and in fact, it has
a lot to do what's going on. And I just
want to say that for our listeners to understand what
a jeopolitical shift, say is, I would like to give
some examples, and one example I would use is deliance
of the Health States. I had visited one of the

(15:10):
ambassadors in Washington, d C. And asked them why did
they decide now to take their countries and their natural
resources from foreign dominated militaries. I asked them this question,
why now, Why not five years ago, why not a
year from now? And what they told me is they said,

(15:32):
now it's the time because the world is in a
geopolitical shift. We have the United States, we have France,
we have NATO, who is balled down in the Ukraine War.
They have spent over four hundred billion dollars on fighting
Russia in the Ukraine and has not really won one

(15:54):
inch of land. So they said this was our time
to exert ourselves and try to achieve subtype of self
reliance and self determination for our people. So the geopolitical
shift that we are experienced now has a lot to
do with the rise of the lines of the health

(16:14):
state in the countries of Mali, Bekina, Fossil in the year.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
And I thought, right there, Dennis, so I gotta step
aside for a few moments and we'll come back. I'll
let you explain how we can take advantage of this
geopolitical shift. Family is just waking up at seventeen minutes
after the top of there. I guess that Dennis boat right.
Dennis is the director for the Center for Pan African
Studies in Detroit. You want to get in on this conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred four to five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

(16:40):
calls next and Grand Rising family twenty one minutes after
the top for thanks for waking up with us on
this Thursday morning. I guess there's a Dennis boat right.
Dennis is the director of the Center for Pan African
Studies in Detroit. And you mentioned we're an inflection point
in the world right now, all these things coming together
along with the digital revolution, we're seeing the changes on
the geopolitical stage. And Dennis, let me ask you this,

(17:02):
and we got some folks want to talk to you, alrighty, well,
let me ask you this. Do you think this is
all happened by accent? It was all organic? Or was
was all these things planned?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Well? You know, listen, Nelson, that's a great question. As
I said before, everything changes. That means even you know
his laws of biophysics is that everything that has a
beginning has an end. And geopolitical shifts are something that
don't fall off the sky. There is something that our
accumulation of events. And I'll just give you example of

(17:34):
a geopolitical shift, the Haitian Revolution. When we look at
the Haitian Revolution, go back to an eighteen oh two
and that where they say that you know, Tucsono Vitrower
agreed to a somewhat of a strategic capitulation to the
point whereas you know, the French people had beguilled him

(17:54):
and to come to speak with and they eventually put
him in jail where he died. And when that happened,
that paused the revolution. But something significant happened that changed
the course of history, and that is in eighteen o
three the Napoleonic Wars had started, and that's when Napoleon
France under the leadership of Napoleon had begun to fight Britain, Russia, Austria, Prussia,

(18:20):
Spain and Porture and also the little small German states.
And when that happened, it inspired they selene Is to
restart the Haitian Revolution and then just within less than
a year later, Haiti one's independence because that was they
Seleini saw that during his time, he was in a

(18:41):
geopolitical chill, and he took advantage of that. Another example
that I like to use is when in nineteen forty
when Germany invaded France, and when Germany invaded France less
than a year later, via Nam decided to launch their

(19:02):
resistance movement because they realized that French was being dominated.
Who France at the time was controlled and had colonized
all the Indo China. So Ho Chi Meng saw that
his adversary was weakest, so he decided to launch his

(19:23):
resistant movement and we know it eventually they were successful
in that.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
And the last.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Example I want to use, Carl Real quickly, is that
the United States government itself shows a brilliant way of
how do you maximize opportunities during a geopolitical shift? Even
before World War Two ended, the United States government decided

(19:55):
to convene the Breton Woods Conference in nineteen forty four.
And what did this do called? What did this conference
net for the United States wealth? To begin? It forced
It made all the currencies be pegged to the US dollar,
which gained the US dollars global dominances dominance. It also

(20:19):
doing the Breton Woods, it created the IMF World Bank,
the IMF, and the World Banks. So my point is
this United States realized that Britain, France, Germany, all of
their adversaries as well as their allies, was relatively weak.
So they took advantage of this. They took advantage, as

(20:42):
I said, with the Breton Woods Conference. Secondly, which the
Breton Woods Conference gave the United States economic supremacy. Secondly,
they did they started, they convened in the United States,
the United Nations. With the United Nations, the United States

(21:03):
made sure that three fifths of the Security Council, people
who have veatles were of their allies. So the United
Nations gave the United States political control pretty much over
the world through the United States. And lastly, United States

(21:24):
did something to take advantage of this geo political shift
that I'm talked about. During that time as United States started,
NATO and NATO gave United States and Western Europe pretty
much military dominance of the world. So I used this
as an example of how even the United States realized

(21:47):
that they were in a geo political ships and they
maximized the opportunity by creating the Breton Woods the United
Nations as well as NATO. So this is My point
that I'm trying to bring out our car is that
the issue, the tragedy in all of this. It seems
like African Americans and other people of African descent throughout

(22:11):
the d Ixpore do seem to not realize that we
are in a golden opportunity.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
All right, Hold, I thought of twenty seven after the
top of montege join us, he says, he's in I
mean Pentagon Cities in the war room. He's ond like to.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
And Dennis sport right, grand Rick, grand Rick, I'm calling
this morning because this is one of my favorite subjects.
I appreciate you having them on CAR and I was listening.
So I just want to answer a question because I
think it's a golden age for black people too right
now for us to get ahead. But the bigger question

(22:49):
that I have with the Jill Jill things he said,
is what about the other superpowers? When we lose the
oil dollar, like how we would live over here in America,
Like how we would outstanding? The living would just go
down for people in general. And we fought off the
oil dollar standing, and do you think they're good for

(23:13):
black people overall? I mean, what do you.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Think, well, you know, that's an excellent question.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
I like this.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I answer with this, quoting Malcolm X. Malcolm X said
that when Africa becomes healthy again by extension, African Americans
and other people throughout the Africa diaspora will come healthy again.
And what we see now is Africa is on the rise.
Every leading political scientist, expertsal international relations agree that this

(23:44):
is the twenty first century is the century of Africa.
Africa is rise, and this is why we see so
many people courting and going on Charma census for Africa's attention,
because what Africa has the rest of the world needs.
What I mean by this is that you and I,
you know the caller, we are people of African descent.

(24:06):
We are Africans as well, although we are having you know,
been taken over here in the United States. So we
are the ones that are going to benefit from this.
And there's many things that we can do in terms
of this geopolitical shift, because normally in the geopolitical shift,
what happens is a major power either rise or decline,

(24:29):
or some nation will have some type of major economic transformation,
or they may have some technological innovation or demographic changes.
So what I'm saying to you is when the dollar
is declined, and obviously it will affect our livelihood, but
we shouldn't lose our hopes because there are other alternatives.

(24:52):
As we see what's going on Venezuela. Just as much
as just more important than the oil is the fact
that Venezuela has put its application in in order to
join Bricks. Bricks is an alternative and a challenge to
the Breton Woods Conference that gave United States and Western

(25:14):
yours economic dominents around the world. So what we need
to be doing is people of African descent, and well,
what we do at the Center for Pan African Studies,
we have forecasters. We have seen this geopolitical shift that
was going to be in favor of people of African descent,
is particularly on the African continent. So we have been

(25:35):
engaging foreign ministers of African countries so that we can
create economic, financial and business opportunities for people of African descent,
particularly African Americans. So we have been doing our job.
So what you can do is, yes, there's going to
be changed, but there are many alternatives. Because because of

(25:58):
Africa is rise Pauler, it's going to give you leverage
over here in the United States because you are a
person of African as sense, and many people are gonna
want to come to you if you established diplomatic ties
with Africa.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
Right now, let.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Me join me here twenty nine minutes away from the
top of Monte. Thank you for your calling, and that's
what Monte was implying. I'm glad you went there with
Bricks because Bricks is now moving to remove the United
States currency, the usd the dollar as the world's reserve
currency because that was peg to oil. So now they're
trying to come within a digital currency because some people

(26:36):
thought it was going to be the Chinese yan or
some other currency, but they've come up with a digital currency.
How is all this playing into this geopolitical shift that
we're seeing right now? Is this why Donald Trump we
talked about what's going on in Venezuela, and Kevin mentioned
that earlier US troops have seized a Venezuelan vessel off
the coast of Venezuela. It was oiled heading for Cuba,

(26:59):
another one of the prior states of Para states for
the United States. How does this affect what we'd hear
in this country. Do blacks and the Blacks and to
Aspa for a matter, are would you spectators? Is there
a role for us to play in.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
All of this, well, Greg Cressen, Carl, there's a big
role that we could play, and just something significant. Last Thursday,
I believe the State Department put out National Security Strategy,
and in that strategy, it is very clear that United
States intends to reduce its military and economic and political

(27:39):
footprint throughout the world and pivot towards the Western hemisphere.
They're doing that because they realize that they have overstretched themselves.
So what we see in Venezuela is nothing but United
States grand standing and a reluctantly and a bitterness to

(28:00):
face the reality that United States dollar is declining and
there's nothing they can do about it. When you look
at bricks and its tremendous impact and it's challenge to
the US dollar, you will see that there is a

(28:20):
strong correlation between countries that are joining BRICKS and the
US hostility Donald Trump's hostility. Forts Just take a look
at the Venezuela just put their their application in some
months ago to join the Bricks. We also see Iran
is a member of Bricks. We also see of South

(28:44):
Africa is a member of bricks. And what did we
see this year? We see Donald Trump prevented he didn't
want to attend the bricks in South Africa under the
false pretext that the Africans, the South Africans are oppressing
the white Africans in South Africa. So we see that

(29:06):
there's a correlation between Donald Trump's behavior towards global soft
countries is because of these countries are slowly gravitating towards bricks,
which means that people are withdrawing their money from the
IMF and World Bank and deposit it in the brincks

(29:32):
central banks. So we have a global shift that is
going on that unfortunately, you know, for the United States,
it's it's going to hurt them. So we have a
Donald Trump who doesn't have a foreign policy, He doesn't
have a legitimate, competent cabinet to be able to mitigate

(29:58):
some of the damage. So I tell people of African descent.

Speaker 8 (30:04):
It is our time.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
It is our time.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
And for example, and I was told to bring this
up by doctor Arthur Lewis out of Harlem University. I
gave him a shout out, but I'm gonna tell you
this African Americans built the United States with our own hands.

Speaker 7 (30:21):
We built this.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
And you realize when you understand that there was not
an influx of European immigrants to the United States till
around the eighteen sixties, that is, after Washington, d C. Philadelphia.
All of these cities were already created by black people.
So what I'm saying is the same skill set and

(30:45):
the same people who built the United States will also
be able to rebuild it when it declined. And also
because of our skills set, we can also do the
same thing on the continent of Africa. We can build
over there in the same way we have this in
the United States.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah. Hold, I thought it could come from t each question.
A tweeter sent this in for you, Dennis. He says,
Russia depends on Venezuela's oil. Are they working with the
Americans or or will they side with Venezuela. And people
are wondering what China's going to do? Brother, this is
Venezuela proxy. So you know, we'll come up on break.
We got to check the news, last news in our
different cities. When we come back, I'll let you I'll

(31:25):
let you respond to that tweet. Family, just waking up
twenty four minutes away from the top they are. You
can join us. Our conversation is with Dennis boat right.
Dennis and a new guest here. He's also the director
of the Center for Pan African Studies located in Detroit.
You got a question for him, reach out to us
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, and we're taking calls after the news. Trafficking weather,

(31:46):
that's next and grand rising family. Thanks are waking up
with us on this Thursday morning at seventeen minutes away
from the top of the hour. I guess it's Dennis
boat Right. Dennis is the director of the Center for
Pan African Studies in Detroit, says we're reaching an inflection
point right now, a geopolitical shift and Africans in the diaspora.
We've got to take advantage of the shift. What are
your thoughts? She can reach him at eight hundred four

(32:07):
five zero seventy eight seventy six before we go back
to Dennis. So I'll just remind you coming up late
this morning, we're gonna speak with a civil rights icon.
That will be William Acossa Rick. Some of you know
that is remember of Snakey March with Doctor King, Kwame, Terray,
John Lewis, Marion Barry, all those folks who were in
snake when it started. Also, he's the one who coined
the phrase black power, that stokely when he was then

(32:28):
called stokey. Now quamitray or what was qualmitary if you
will popularized it. Before we hear from him, we're gonna
speak with doctor Julian Malveaux. She's an economist and she's
gonna tell us if what Donald Trump says true of
the economy is doing fine. She's going to issue a
report card for the year. And before we speak with
doctor Malvaul that we're going to we're gonna be joined
from London in you guess. He's an author and an attorney.

(32:49):
He's written a book called a slave Ship called Jesus.
So hell. Got to remind you tomorrow's Friday, so you
can join us on our open Phone Friday program. This
says where we give you a chance to free your
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on fourteen fifty. W oll please don't wait to the

(33:11):
last minute. I keep saying this every frid because so
many folks who try to get through and they wait
to the last minute, and we don't get to hear
from the We love to hear from all of you. Oh,
by the way, today in Black history in nineteen sixty four.
So you know the name Sam Cook. If you don't,
if you might know Michael Teddy and all these other groups.
Are some of these rappers that are around Sam was
Sam was a total music control then all of them

(33:33):
wrapped together. Those folks of that generation though, who shot
to death in south central Los Angeles in a motel
on figaroa street from my La peeps anyway, eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I
speak to Dennis Boat right, Dennis, the tweet that I
mentioned before we left for the news update, I'll read
it again for you. It says Russia depends on Venezuela's oil.
Are they working with the Americans or will they side

(33:55):
with Venezuela? And I'm gonna throw in here, what's China?
What do you think China is going to do with
this attack.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah, a great question, and you know asking this question,
I just want to reiterate that. You know, the Breton
Woods system gave United States a windfall for over eighty years,
so what we have is we have bricks now is
really challenging that system. So my point is is that

(34:22):
Russia as well as China has a steak in Venezuelan
production of Venezuelan oil, not only just because they are
excuse me, they are a member of bricks, but just
this year a private Chinese firm started producing oil in

(34:44):
a in Venezuela. And we also know that Singapore has
also decided to invest in Venezuelan oil. So we have
a lot of things at stake. But to answer your question,
many countries because are becoming more courageous as in the past,
because they realized that what this is, this pivot, this

(35:07):
reducing the US footprints you know, throughout the world and
pivoting towards the Western hemisphere, is nothing other than a
disguised Monroe doctrine, but only this time as many countries
are not afraid and part of the bricks. Let just
give you an example of what side Venezuela is on
their shifting obviously towards China and Russia. Who are the

(35:33):
the the the the main the leaders of establishing bricks
And I bring this up to say that you brought
up who who there who Venezuela siding with. I just
like to bring up that even India, India was threatened
by high tariffs from the United States. However, uh India,

(35:57):
India has decided to start slanting towards the China Russian
orbit despite the threats that they receiving from United States
because India said that, you know, you know, United States
acques India of buying oil from Russia in spite of

(36:21):
the sanctions on Russia in India under the leadership with
Modi pretty much says, so what, We're going to buy
aill that's at a cheaper price from Russia and they
continue to do that. So what I'm saying is Venezuela
has decided and it's pretty clear that they are siding
with a system, which is Brits that's going to allow

(36:45):
them to advance their economy.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
And hold that's all right there. Twelve away from the
tough air brother change joined us from DC. Has a
question for you, Dennis grand rising brother Dennis boat right.

Speaker 9 (37:08):
I'm sorry, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, we can hear Go ahead, Okay.

Speaker 9 (37:14):
I'm really enjoying your uh, the talk that you're talking
about the geopolitical and it is so correct.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (37:22):
Just the r County Jamboy Quad just came back with
from Beikina Fossil with a group of seven hundred UH
Americans and diasporan Uh. They went there, of course for
residency and to help out and UH invest. But the

(37:43):
point that you're making about geo geopolitical ship is real.
You just mentioned about India. India is a part of bricks,
so they can easily just ignore Donald Trump's threat. Bricks
is backed by gold and all kind of precious mineral,

(38:04):
whereas the.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Dollar is backed by nothing.

Speaker 10 (38:06):
And they're uh.

Speaker 9 (38:08):
And now China is also back in Venezuela, as you
so aptly put it. And it's hard to fight against
your banker. And that's the problem that the United States
is going to be facing in the near future. Thank
you so much for what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
J Before you go, let me ask you this question.
You said fight against your banker. Do you think the
United States is broke bankrupt?

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Oh? The United States is a debtor nation. They've broke.

Speaker 9 (38:39):
They've been broke for a long time. But the only
thing they had going for them was the dollar, which
was backed by the bayonet, by the gun. Okay, but
with this geopolitical shift in the world, Oh.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
It seems like we lost brother Shay. But but Danny
want you want to respond to what he just said.
He's correct, you're saying to the United States styllars back by
the good will of the American people or the or
the American people might if you're American military, your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Standish, yes, exactly. And the caller was spot on on
that in United States currency is not by back by
goal and pretty much United States just prints out his money.
And that's what's part of the Bretton Woods arrangement. Some
people called it an exorbitant privilege in that United States

(39:33):
has all of these countries' currencies pegged to the US dollar,
which gives United States an enormous that enormous advantage over people.
But just just look at the bricks in terms of numbers.
Over half of the world population is under some type
of bricks configuration, which means that what this means in

(39:58):
twenty twenty five is that with thirty of global GDP
is controlled by bricks, and that number could be even
higher and it's shrinking. So what people are doing is
people are running away from the United States currency systems.

(40:18):
Just look a look at their currency. Look at the IMF,
which you know, an American had created during World War Two.
The IMF and the war break. Just look at that.
Every country of the global soft and in Africa are
in severe acute yet because of IMF rules and regulations.

(40:41):
So what people are doing is they're needing the IMF
in order to give their country some briefing room because
IMF is.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Just explain what the IMF is for some of our
families who don't understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yes, the IMF is that international monetary forms, and you
also have the world back in. These two institutions were
created during the Bretton Wood Conference in nineteen forty four,
which was convened in New Hampshire in the United States.
So what these things, Among other things, they control the

(41:22):
US dollar and world currency because for example, what's so zip.
You know, what's important about Venezuela oil is that major
commodities of the world are traded in US dollars we're

(41:43):
talking about oil, we're talking about gold, we're talking about agriculture,
we're talking about wheat, we're talking about precious metal like cobalt, lithia, hometown.
All of these things are being traded flyer the US dollar.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
So all right, let me jump in here too, Dannis.
Me let me give some more clarification to the family
who probably do't understand what you're talking about or do
not know all what you're saying about. The IMF and
the World Bank, those are Those are the bankers that
these many of the third world nations as they call
them or second world nations go to borrow money, and
some of them have mortgage their their minerals, their gold

(42:27):
and diamonds for these loans, examinant loans that they have
to pay back. And this is where this is, This
is where there's a hell nations. Maybe you can chime
in on this because they're not using they're not going
to the IMF or the World Bank to get money
to fund the building out their countries, the infrastructure of
their country. So I'll let you respond to that way, Dennis.
And we've got still got a bunch of folks want
to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yes, mister Nelson, those are great, fantastic questions you've brought up,
But I just stated, just to give you example of
the debt traps that the IMF creates. A country like
Kenya has paid thirty percent of his GDP in order
to reservice loans that they got from IMF. And that
was one of the same complaints that Iberhem Carri, the

(43:10):
leader of Bertino Fossil had. He was saying that his
country that were so much in debt with the IMF
that they were able to do projects for investment to
help the general population. So the IMF is now known

(43:32):
as a debt track, and I just want to bring
this up before you get to the next question. Is
that if you compare the alliances of health state membership
their progress in the last two or three years, and
you compare them to other African countries, including Ghana and
Nigeria who are mired in IMF, that you would see

(43:56):
them there's a big difference. There's a big difference. So
the IMF. Breaking away from the IMF means you're breaking
away from the US dollar.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Well put five away from the top. Bob's checking in
from Buffalo. He's online three grand rising, Bobby, are on
with Dennis boat Right, love family.

Speaker 10 (44:15):
There's something in the Bible about not being a debt
or I'm not sure exactly because I'm not a Bible scholar,
but us being in the belly of this beast called
the United States of America, how can we what can
we do to avert the negative impacts of the falling dollar?

Speaker 4 (44:35):
And with the debt of.

Speaker 10 (44:38):
The United States being held by people like China, the
only thing kept that keeps US afloat is the military
might of this country. That China or other countries can't
come and collect on the debt that is held the
US that is held by them. Is there basic question?
What can we do being in this beast, being in

(44:58):
the belly of the beast, to avert the negative impacts
of the fall of the United States?

Speaker 1 (45:04):
All right, thanks Bob, Thanks your question. Dennis, we got
to step aside and get caught up with this trafficing
weather not different cities. I'll let you respond to Bob's
question on the return family. You two can get in
all this conversation with Dennis boat Right. Dennis is the
director of the for the Center for Pan African Studies
in Detroit. You can reach him at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and well take
a phone calls after the trafficking weather. The snaxt and

(45:25):
Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this
Thursday morning. I guess is Dennis Boat right. Dennis is
the director for the Center for Pan African Studies in Detroit,
and Mama tell you we're going to go to London.
Attorney and author Delhi o Gun is going to join us.
He's written a book called a Slave Ship called Jesus.
But before we go to Delhi, Dennis, can you respond
to Bob's question in Buffalo?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Yes, he had. Bob had a great question. I just
want to reiterate that the decline of the you excuse me,
the decline of the US dollar is not necessarily bad
for African Americans. As I said before, Africa is on
the rise, and they contain all of the natural resource
that the world needs in order to industrialize, as well

(46:10):
as the function. For example, we wouldn't be able to
have these cell phones or these laptops that we're looking
at and talking on now had it not been for
the cobalt in the Congo. So what African Americans need
to be doing in order to maximize the opportunities presented
to them during this geopolitical shift. Number one, we need

(46:32):
to start businesses in Africa. We also need to invest
in African startups as well as in the sectors of infrastructure,
real estate. We need to start building logistics, hippy and
trade companies. And also we need to start partner with
African governments and entrepreneurs on technology, agriculture, any energy project

(46:57):
as well as in stell. So this is an opportunity.
This is not something for us to be worried about
or weary about.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Africa, Dennis, because I want to get one more call
you before we go to Daily in London. A brother
calling from Brooklyn in New York City, the b K
Grand Rising brother Escol. I hope I'm announcing your name correctly.
It's online too, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
And good morning, brother Carl. How are you.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I'm still learning?

Speaker 4 (47:27):
All right?

Speaker 5 (47:28):
Well, let's get ready. Let's dig into it. The more
we always learning, So that's a good thing. Uh So, Yes,
I wanted to kind of piggyback or venie back, as
my vegan brothers and sisters might say, with this. What's
in it for African Americans. But before I get into
my before I get to my question for dinnis I
want to say this, the language that we use and

(47:49):
how we are mentally prepared is going to be a
big uh is going to be a big boost to
moving us to where we need to go. So I
wanted to say when Dennis was saying the global South,
that there is no such thing as the global South.
Back you know, when we were I'm in my fifties now,
when we were going to school, what did they take

(48:10):
They called Africa what the third world? Africa and the
rest of the world where the majority of people's are
was called the third world, and Europe was called the
first world. They never said what the second world is,
but they had a first world in the third world.
And now the terminology is a Kindagentler terminology, and they
used the term global south, but Africa is not the

(48:32):
global south. Africa and Central South of America are the
global center of the world. And we have to come
from that viewpoint. When we viewed the mother of where
we came from. Africa is the global center of the world.
And in much that same way as it the global
center on the actual map, it's the global center of

(48:53):
the world's economy, and the European world has been misusing
Africa for well over four hundred years, and now it's
time for African peoples to rise up and take back
what is theirs by right, What is theirs by birth,
what is theirs by citizenship is the African continent. And

(49:13):
everybody else is going to Africa, but us children here
in America are being dissuade from being from going to Africa.
Africa has one of the brow's youngest populations, and it's
going to be a big consumer base and is going
to be eventually a big manufacturer base if we follow
the past of our brothers and sisters like Trejore and

(49:36):
Goyte Innciani. And so what Dennist is trying to do
is he's trying to show us that we need to
get our minds right, that we need to be prepared,
We need to get ourselves mentally prepared. Yes, we can
invest in that, but first we got to get our
mind right as Africans. And so part of that getting
our minds right is that language. Now my question to Dennist, though,

(49:56):
to expound on that, is because they're forced is out
there that are trying to dissuade us from connecting to Africa.
And I heard Dennis lecture before, and he's talked about
a memorandum forty six. So if Dennis, if you can
talk about that mirandom forty six and why it's so
important for us in this especially in this moment when
they're people trying to tell us that we are American

(50:19):
descendants of slaves.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Up.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
The slaves did not come from somewhere, even those who
were there here before as indigenous Americans, came from Africa.
And so there's an African connection, no matter how you
put it. And so I would like you to talk
about that memorandum forty six and why it's so important
when we look at the political and social media climate
that we're under right now.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
All right, thank you brother. Hey Dennis, can you give
us a short version because we got to move on
with another guest on deck.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Oh yeah, you know, great question. You know, the rise
of the lions of the Health States, we notice that
there is a simultaneous rise of black antip African personalities
and groups in the United States that are trying to
dissuade us from even thinking about or even engaging in Africa.

(51:09):
I say this to say this ties into what Memorandom
forty six was put out by the National Security Council
in nineteen seventy eight, which explicitly said it mandated the
FBI and CI and other intelligence organizations to fund and
create anti black organizations that will foster mistrust and hostility

(51:38):
specifically between Africans and African Americas, so that we will
not agree or who operate on any initiative.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Wow and listen, we're going to cut that. We will
pick it up next time. I'm probably on that particular
subject because there is a there is a condre of
anti black. They say they black, but they can then
we know the agents. But I'm just wondering if it's
worth a discussion because you know, and brother called from Brooklyn,
he knows, and most people know and discredit them. So

(52:09):
it may be feudal what they're doing, but they're getting
garning a lot of attension on the internet. Jennis to
thank you for joining us this morning. But how can
folks reach you?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Yes, folks can reach me, especially if they want to
buy my book, my forthcoming book, The Rise of the
Lions of a Health State. You can reach me at
www dot Center for PanAfrican Studies dot org or call
me my office at three one three four three one
three seventh zero four.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
All right, Jennis, thank you, thank you for your fault
you shared with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Thank you Carl for having me on the show. And
it's a pledger.

Speaker 11 (52:48):
And I love you.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
For especially speaking up for doctor Frescis Creswell see one
of my favorite persons.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Oh yeah, doctor Wilson Dots, the homicide co host called
it so many times. I told her, you know, if
we're going left and we should go right, just pick
up the phone and call us and set us straight.
And she always did. Thanks Dennis, and thank you for
remember doctor Francis gres Welson for us.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
All right, family, ten half the top down. Let's go
across the pond to London attorney and author Deli old
Gunn Grand Rising, my brother, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 12 (53:22):
Good afternoon, Carl, and good afternoon Africans in America.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yes, sir, we want to hear from you because you
wrote a book called a slave Shape called Jesus Be before
you die. Tell us a little bit about your background.

Speaker 12 (53:36):
Yes, I'm born in Nigeria, was migrated to the United
Kingdom at the age of seven, where I began transitioning
out of my identity and culture until that places was
rested around about the age of eighteen, when I turned
back and wanted to understand the African story. My education

(54:03):
took me into law where I'm a com merciall dispute lawyer,
trial lawyer, arbitration lawyer. But my passion is the history
of our peoples and that's what led me to the
study of the slavery and slave trade question because I
was uncomfortable with the narrative, the prevailing narrative, especially aspects

(54:29):
that were dividing the Africans in Africa and the Africans
in the Caribbean and the Africans in America. And what
I sought to do in the book is trying to
bring us back together again. That's why I refer to
not Basians or Jamaicans. I refer to Africans in Jamaica,

(54:52):
Africans in Barbados, Africans in America, Africans in Haiti.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
That's what we are, and we're Africans. The peanut black African. Yeah,
recommended your book. A slave shep called Jesus. So we
want to hear about that. But before we talk about
the book, what is it? Was it something specific that
changed you that you recommement your decisions to Wow, something's

(55:18):
not right here.

Speaker 13 (55:18):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Or was it a series of events?

Speaker 14 (55:20):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Delhi?

Speaker 12 (55:23):
Well, it's you know, as a thinking person, you're always
thinking about the way of the shape of the world,
and you're looking at the events and the reportage and
the dominant narrative, and it was all negatives surrounding us
and our people are now continent and our homeland, and
as I said, I wasn't comfortable with that. The Africans
that I was interacting with, the Africans in Jamaica, many

(55:47):
of them in London. Here, I knew that we were
made of better stuff and I couldn't reconcile the narrative
with our reality. And that's what made me curious to
investigate it, because you can't solve a problem until you
understand it. But understanding that requires diligence and research, and
that became my mission. If the books weren't out there

(56:09):
to explain why thins were the way they were, I
saw it as my responsibility to put the story together.
And I was assisted in that exercise by virtue of
my occupation. As you know, as a trial lawyer, you're
used to people coming to court and promising to tell
the truth and nothing but the truth. But you know

(56:29):
that the real story is somewhere in between, and it
requires a little bit of questioning, a little bit of
skepticism and interrogation. And once I got the story, I
educated myself. Then I took it as my responsibility to
share the knowledge.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Family. Just John as a thirteen at the top of
that with Deli or Gunny's an attorney as author relies
in London. By the way, we've got quite a few
listeners in the UK, Deli, We've got folks listening to us,
say in Croydon or East London, in mars Side, Era
of Manchester. We've also got a listener in Wales. But
I can't announce that you know Welsh names and a
lot of consonants, so I can't for I'm not even

(57:10):
going to try, but shout out to all of them.
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Family,
I want to speak to attorney and author Deli or
gun You can reach us out by that number. And
he's written a book called slaves, a slave ship called Jesus.
How did that? How did that? You can conceive this idea?

Speaker 12 (57:26):
DELI Well, this is how it happened. As I said,
I was educating myself on the reality of the slavery
and slave trade story. And then, of course of the research,
I came across these facts that a ship called the
Jesus of lou Beg and that wasn't a leone. I

(57:50):
now came across another one called the Grace of God,
and that showed questions in my mind, because I was
raised as a Christian and my mother is the head
of a Christian church in London here and I became
curious as to what is going on? Why are these
ships indulging in this evil enterprise being given holy names?

(58:13):
And by the way, for your listeners, I thought I
had seen it all until very recently I discovered that
there was another ship titled named John the Baptist. And
guess who was the owner of these ships. It was
the head of the Church of England. Because this was

(58:34):
happening just after the Reformation, you know, when England broke
away from Catholicism and the King Henry the Eighth established
the Church of England, and to discover that it was
his daughter Elizabeth that was the owner of these ships,
and that this was her contribution in a joint venture

(58:54):
enterprise with a gentleman called John Hawkins, who's regarded as
the pioneer of the English slave trade. That told me
that there's a story there. And the more I investigated,
the more I realized that only smoked people really need
to understand the reality of this evil enterprise and the

(59:17):
true story. And so there was a debate within the
family when we were deciding how I should tie to
the books, and I knew that it had to be.
It had to be that we had to tell it
as it is. It's not us who named the ship
the Jesus of Lubec, it was they, And we are

(59:40):
a responsibility to those who perished in the trade and
those who are still afflicted by the aftermath of that
enterprise to really expose what really happened.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And thank you for doing the book sixteen at the
top of the we've got to step aside for a
few moments and we'll come back though with Delli tell us,
did this shake your faith because you said you you
grew up as a Christian that's for many of us.
You know, we adopted whatever religion that our parents have,
and even that the political stances, what our parents have,
and we sometimes even what their occupations. We grove to

(01:00:13):
what our parents did and showed us. So I want
to find out when we get back there, if this
did shook your faith? Are you're still a Christian now?
You find out that what Christian Christians did to us
in the book that you wrote, A Slave Ship called Jesus. Family,
you want to join this conversation of our guest these
callings from London. His name is delhi oh Gun has
written the book, as I mentioned, the Slave Ship called Jesus.
You can reach us at eight hundred four or five

(01:00:35):
calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks to staying with
us on this Thursday morning. I guess is a gun.
Deli is an attorney, he's also an author. Is based
in London. That's where he's calling for us this morning.
He's written a book called A Slave Ship called Jesus.
And before we left with the break, my question to
him as this book, this research that he did into

(01:00:56):
this book affected his faith because he mentioned that he
was he grew up born and grew up as a Christian.
So Delli has this and made you think twice about
you being a Christian.

Speaker 12 (01:01:08):
Not really Carl in this sense, because I've always approached.
I'm a fast thinker and a slower believer. So whenever
anybody asked me to believe anything, I've always got the
breaks on. And it's reason that's always at the forefront.
So especially since my surname Uguin is the god of

(01:01:32):
war in the traditional europe faith is the god of justice.
So you could see that if as I approached and
I was introduced to Christianity, I always had the breaks
on because I had a sense of something else, a
different belief system. Now, so by the age of sixteen,
long before I started reading up on the slavery and
the slave trade, I had already made up my mind

(01:01:56):
that my relationship with Christianity was purely into actual rather
than one of faith. I wasn't a believer. The narratives
just didn't hang with me. Some of the narratives that
I came across. Now what the book did or what
the research did. When I discovered these aspects, it was
to confirm my position, my thinking that faith is one

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of those things that can either be used for good
or it can be used for bad. It's like a knife.
It can be used constructively or it can be used destructively.
So it's not intrinsically bad, but as it is demonstrated
by the naming of these ships, because you've got to
stand back and think, what were these guys doing when

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they had so many ships of different names? You know,
ime example, the Queen Elizabeth I, how many ships does
she have? Why was it that it had to be
the one that Jesus of Lubec, the John, the Baptists
that were deployed, and that because they were When Columbus

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arrived in eighty on Santa Maria was the name of
his ship. He told the indigenous patients that they had
come from heaven. So it seems to have been an
extension of that evil deception that they were using these
names to perpetrate these evil enterprises. So my faith, it

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wasn't that that disconnected me with Christianity. My connection with
Christianity had since the age of sixteen, been purely intellectual.
In the same way as I relate to Islam, I'll
I read anything I'll read the Koran and I'll read
the Bible, but I read without prejudice, but also also

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always with the intellectual filter on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Gotcha twenty three at the top there with Delia joined
us from London his book Esolation called Jesus, and Delli
tell us about your friends, you circle. You're in a circle,
and because you're in an attorney so you deal with
a lot of people and your family that you wrote
a book called a slave ship called Jesus. How did
they react is this? Do they say, man, why did

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you touch that? Why don't you should have left that alone?
You could have written a different book? Or did they
shun you? What was their reaction towards you when when
the book came out?

Speaker 12 (01:04:22):
I guess the best one is my mother, the head
of the church, head of the Koban church, raised as
a Christian from the Greco. Her father also was a
you know, a lay preacher in his religi, etc. So
her initial reaction was I'm not taking that book. It
took some time for her to realize that this is

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not an attack on the faith or Christianity. It's an expose,
a an exposure of how evil minds were misusing the
faith in the conduct of an evil enterprise, and it's
in the interests of Christians to actually know what was

(01:05:06):
done in their name. You know, sometimes you're going to
protest to say, not in my name, but this is
what's been done in the name of those who the
Christians revere.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
And they need to know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
They need to know about it, and your thoughts on
the cargo though they obviously it's a slave ship, the
cargo ancestors we're being used. Is this sort of the
way for those who's who are involved in the trash
and legs slave trade to sort of, you know, sort
of shay, it's cool, it's okay, because we're doing this.

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The name of Jesus you get by drift.

Speaker 12 (01:05:44):
There was an because yes, there was an element of
that amongst the slavers that they. I mean, for example,
the guy who wrote the song Amazing Grace, John Newton,
and he wrote another song, How Sweet the Name of
Jesus Is, But he wrote those songs at that time

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while he was still involved in the trade. In fact,
How Sweet the Name of Jesus was written while he
was on a slave expedition, slaving expedition, So in their
minds they convinced themselves that it was righteous, and they
may have been assisted in their thinking by the fact
that the enterprise, as I explained in the book, the

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whole slavery and specifically the enslaving of Africans was actually
ordained and blessed by the head of the Catholic Church,
the Pope. Paper bar was issued directing them to enslave
in perpetuity. So if the authority is coming from the

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very top of the church in the case of the Catholics,
the Pope in the case of the Church of England,
or the Anglican Faith from the Queen, it was the
head of the church. So the slavers were comfortable in
the knowledge that this was a blessed enterprise, a God

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ordained activity, and so yes, there is that element there.
But there was no comfort, of course to our people,
largely because anyway, our people were largely shut out from
the faith during the dominant years of the enterprise. It
was only towards the end, as the trade was to

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be abolished eighteen oh seven, when they needed they needed
missionaries who could cope with the climate in West Africa,
and who could they turn to, because of course their
own people were dying off you know, malaria, etc. So
what did they do. They turned to the enslaved Africans
in the Americas, in the Caribbean and turn them into missionaries.

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And so this this is how the faith was used
and abused.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Would you say twenty seven out the top of our
fascinating study by and put it chronicle in a book
called a slave ship called Jesus. His name is Daily.
A gun has joined us from London. He's an attorney
and also the author of the book You want to
reach him family, got a question? Hit us up at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six Daily? Is this the reason why so many in
our in the black communities just across the Americas, not

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just in the United States, but in the Caribbean, in
South America as well, a sort of used religion as
a sort of a clutch. You know, we seem to
be more religious than other groups. Is this was this
all this part of what started in the enslavement of
our ancestors.

Speaker 12 (01:08:54):
Yes, I think you can trace it to that, because
it's in the midst of death opiration. People look for solace,
and they look for help, and they look for support
from any directions it comes, and faith and hope is
the easiest thing to spell, especially to those who in despair.

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You can imagine the condition of people on those plantations.
And so when it came around eighteen oh seven, as
the abolition of the trade was now in prospect and
they were now being introduced to the Bible, because bear
in mind, during the trade, the one thing they never

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taught the Africans was how to read, because they knew
that that would empowered them. And even in eighteen oh seven,
when abolition of the trade was about to happen, they
made sure that the version of the Bible that was
produced was a slave Bible, and they extracted those parts

(01:09:57):
of the conventional bide that might empower the thinking of
the Africans. And so coming back to your point, in despair,
one looks for hope and you look for it anywhere.
And the Bible and the scripture offered them solace, offered them, comfort,

(01:10:18):
offered them reassurance that blessed the meek, for Na should
inherit the earth. And so it made them. It was
a deliberate strategy to tone down and abate the anger
and that our people's were feeling and that's become a
legacy of that and it's carried on since then. You know,

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the worst the light of governance in Africa. You find
that people in despair will look to the heavens. You know,
it seems as if the earthly instruments aren't working and
you look for an extra terrestrial solution.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Up there. We got a tree question. But I got
to ask you this found family just checking in. I
guess is daily a gun. He's written a book called
a slave Ship called Jesus. He's checking in from London
this morning. And my question to you is this how
they control us is in your thoughts? They use religion
to control us in your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:11:22):
Absolutely, Religion. As I said, it's an instrument and depends
like a knife. You can use it constructively or you
can use it negatively. And then the narrative is how
most people are controlled because communication, that's what we're doing
right now. Communication is the art of influence, and so
the narrative is what controls the situation. And part of

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the narrative that they pushed out, which I was very
keen to address in the book, is the narrative that
it was Africans who were selling their own people. Now
you can imagine how deadly that is if that's true.
But it's not, because, as I explained in them, what
was actually happening was that they were kidnapping. They were

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kidnapping our people's That's why they had to pass the law.
You know, people don't know about it is in seventeen
forty ninety English Parliament past the law prohibiting the kidnapping
of Africans. Now, if there was a free market and
Africans were selling their own people, why are they going
to have to pass the law, And this is seventeen

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forty nine, and they entered the trade in fifteen sixty.
Why are you passing the law hav many hundreds of
years down the road prohibiting the kidnapping of Africans. And
that's part of how the strategy to keep us down.
You keep pass hating ourselves, not just hating each other,

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but hating ourselves personally because it demeans, doesn't it If
you feel that you're of a people whose moral standards
were so low that they could actually sell you, think
what that does to your confidence? Because confidence is everything.
With confidence, you can rule the world, absolutely you can.
But without confidence you can't do anything. So it's like crippling.

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You cripple the person once you take their confidence away.
And the purpose of my writing is to restore that confidence.
And before just to mention this other aspect of restoring confidence.
The big story in the book is about abolition, the
real story of abolition, because they will you know, narrative,
as I said, is powerful, and they're not going to
write the narratives that will empower our people. It is

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down to us to do the research and tell the
true story. And the true story of abolition, as I
explained in the book, is that it was the Africans
in Haiti, starting with the Africans in America, who put
their lives on the line and fought for their freedom.
Now that story is not told, but it's told in
the book.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
I'm glad you did that. Twenty six away from the top,
they have family or I I got a tweet for you.
Deli has joined us from London. This book is called
a slave. You've called Jesus. We'll let you know how
you can get the book before he leaves. But my
question to you again that the narrative that you talk
about they tell our people that you know We're going
to die and go to heaven in Jesus name. But
what for the other folks, enslavers? Heaven is right here

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on earth. They're enjoyed, they get all the spoils. But
they tell our people we got to suffer and then
once we die we will be we'll go into the
land of glory. Can you address that issue for us
at Delhi?

Speaker 12 (01:14:30):
Well, that's all That's what control is all about.

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
It.

Speaker 12 (01:14:33):
It's in the midst of scarcity or the perception of scarcity.
The powerful uh will find the tools to make sure
that they hog whatever is available. And what better than
to say, the meek show inherit here. So you become
comfortable with your condition. You are not competing, You're you're

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in for competition or to insist on your fair share
is diminished by the narratives that don't worry. The more
humble you are, the better your future. Just wait for
your enjoyment, and in the meantime they are busy and enjoying.
Twenty four to seven, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Got a couple of tweets for you, Delli. Twenty five
away from the Top. Yeah, this one's from Leroy down
in Louisiana, says ask him about how does he feel
about the Trump administration and Trump supporters who want to
turn the United States into a complete white Christian nation,
and will that have any negative fact upon other religion
religious perspectives in this country.

Speaker 12 (01:15:43):
Well, I mean, the Trump factor is interesting because there
are somethings he does right. I know, most things he
winds people up and gets to back up, But there
are somethings he gets right. You see, I prefer a
hate who advertises his hatred or at least is disrespect

(01:16:07):
for me from a distance. I can see it coming
and you can position yourself to respond to it, as
opposed to the ones who pretend to love you get
close to you, because they're the ones who are going
to do you much more damage. Now, the positive in
Trump's comments recently is when he pinpointed the genocide, the

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Christian genocide that's taking place in Nigeria and now the
Bidens do a Bamas, etc. They will never put their
finger on there is because Trump is just pursuing his
own agenda. He doesn't play by the rule book. So
these audience is the Christian Christian community in America, and
he knows that he's going to score the Brownie points

(01:16:50):
by being able to pinpoint this issue. But it's real.
It's real because when and this is part of the
legacy of the slave because one of the things I
explained in the book is that slavery led straight to
colonization because under the guise of cleaning up their mess

(01:17:13):
and abolishing slavery, that is what the British and the
French used as a cover story to now grab effectively
the whole of Africa and in raise and council the
original identities, our real nations Yoruba, Ibo, houser Jo, etc.

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In the case of Nigeria, they're actually in Nigeria. They're
three hundred and seventy one a regional, self governing nations
that were now lumped together and called Nigeria, all speaking
English language. That's the only way we can interact with
each other, whereas our original languages are still there. So

(01:17:59):
and a keep of what they did in order to
arrest our developments was to amalgamate a Christian half with
an Islamic half. That was deliberate, that was on purpose,
And that's what Trump has put his finger. So I
don't hold I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Right there, we gotta step aside and take the news
in our different cities. When we come back to Olectics
and finished talking about that and don't tell us do
you think that if Donald Trump is sincere concerned about
Christian Nigerians or it's just just political expedience, he's making
a move. Family YouTube can join our conversation with our
guests Daily Gunish colonists from London. He's written a book

(01:18:37):
called a slave Ship called Jesus. What are your thoughts?
Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
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the news update that's next and Grand Rising Family, thanks
for staying with us on this Thursday morning with our
guests and Daily our gun Delhi's and authors and attorneys
based in London, England. It's written a book called a
slave Ship called Jesus. Before we go back to let
me just remind you come up later this morning. We're

(01:18:58):
going to hear from civil rights icon Willie Rix. So
some of you know that he was part of the
civil rights group of the Snake in March with Doctor King,
also Stokely Carmichael Okwameterray and also John Lewis, Marion Barry
all part of Snake East, partly in fact, he was
one who coined the phrase black power. So he's gonna
be here, and we're gonna talk politics with him. Before

(01:19:21):
we do that, though, we're gonna speak with economists doctor
Julian Malveaux. Doctor Malvaux is gonna give us an issue
of report card on the nation's economy. Donald Trump says,
we're doing fine. I will hear what doctor Malva. And
by the way, she's an MIT graduate, so she's no
slash when it comes to the economy. And Tomorrow's Friday,
We're gonna give you a chance to free your mind.
That means think for yourself. Join us on our open

(01:19:41):
Phone Friday program again promptly at six am Eastern Time,
right here in Baltimore on ten ten w LB in
the Washington, DC metropolitan here the DMV. We're on fourteen
fifteen w L. All right, DEALI I'm gonna let you
finish your response, and I got to tweet, somewhat tweet
the question for you.

Speaker 12 (01:19:58):
Yeah. I was making point that the problem is not
the spotlight that he's put on the Christian genocide that's
taking place in parts of Nigeria. The real issue is
the president of Nigeria and the leadership of Nigeria and

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their neglect of the issue. So we shouldn't be jumping
down Trump's throat. Whatever his motivation. Yes, he may not
be losing sleep over the death of how many Africans, etc.
But at least he's shown more concern, more interest in
the issue than those who are supposed to have responsibility
for dealing with it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Gotcha thirty away from the topic, Della Tweeter says, So
this is Lisa says, what if any reaction for the
preachers in the UK to your book.

Speaker 12 (01:20:53):
The preachers in the UK, Uh, Well, it has been
seen at a high level.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:21:02):
I'm thinking of the title of one of the one
of the There's a church in Clapham who were the
original abolitionist movement, and I know that the head of
that church has received it, but there's been no response
yet they line on the lob because of course it's embarrasseding.

(01:21:22):
You can imagine this is the Church of England and
this was the head of the church, Queen Elizabeth, who
was leading the way in the abuse of the name
of Jesus and other holy names. And so yet it's

(01:21:42):
not surprising that they're not jumping for joy at the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
So you're saying that the slave trade being slavers go
all the way to the to the king and the Queen,
the monarchy in the UK.

Speaker 12 (01:21:56):
In Britain, oh absolutely, I mean it's a man as
I said, it is not just in Britain, but most
definitely this was the trade started. The first expeditions was
fifteen sixty two by John Hawkins. His second expedition, the
Queen of England, who was the head of the Church

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of England at the time. She was a joint venture
partner in that exercise and she made a return of
sixty percent on that venture. And she was there again
in the future ventures. And so yes, the blood runs
right onto the hands of the royal family. And likewise

(01:22:40):
it was the pope on the Catholic side that issued
the papal blessing and sanctioned for the enterprises. Because the Indians,
you see how the acthoms started being enslaved. Far from
the narrative that we were selling our own people and
we had a slave trade going on. What happened was
that the native Indian in Haiti in the Caribbean, in

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the Americas, they were the ones being enslaved first in
their own lands by these European intruders. But they were
dying off the diseases that the European intruders were afflicting
them with, together with the sorrow of enslavement in your
very own land, that was causing a high rate of

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mortality amongst the Native Indians. And it was it was
a fellow got a sainthood afterwards, Saint Bartholomew, who are
appealed to the Pope to intervene to spare the native Indians,
and that's when they directed that the Africans are available.

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So that's how we got roped in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Oh wow. And there's an island in the Caribbean named
after him, Saint Barts, so they just called St.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Barts.

Speaker 12 (01:23:55):
That's correctly, that's right, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
It was.

Speaker 12 (01:23:57):
Yes, he was regarded as the protector of the Indians,
and it was in the quest to protect the Indians
who were being decimated, jenocided in the process, being worked
to death together with the diseases. Except that's when they
now said leave the Indians alone, you can take the

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African And so yes, it goes right up to the
very top.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Turn away from the top of our family. I guess
this attorney and author Deli A. Gun has written a
book called a slation called Jesus is Checking in with
Us from London and nine away from the top of
the are My question to you though, you mentioned that
this goes all the way up the top to the
royal family and also the Pope signed off on this.
Was there any collusion did you know? Did your research

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show where those groups met with each other and decide, Hey,
we're going to go to Africa and we're going to
pick up some folks and sell them on the other
side of the Atlantic Ocean. Did that come up in
your research? Did you find anything? Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:24:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because bear in mind the whole of Europe,
including Britain, originally was Catholic and so everybody was under
the command of the Pope. He was like the emperor
of the whole world, so everybody obeyed his dictat It
was only later when Henry Yates needed his divorce, and

(01:25:17):
Catholicism you couldn't get a divorce, so that's what triggered
his establishment of his own church, the Church of England.
So there was there was there was collusion all the
way through. No doubt about it. And the reason why
this narrative is becoming so central now is this big

(01:25:39):
players are now jumping in. I've observed that Elon Musk
on his ex platform has gone on the front foot
to start arguing that what's the big deal about the
African slave trade and enslavement. There's always been slavery, That's
that's the argument he's been pushing that slavery has been

(01:26:01):
around since the beginning of time. But as the as
the rejoinder, here's the answer. It's like farming. Farming has
been around since the beginning of time, but there's farming
with a hoe and there's farming like monsanto. They're not
the same thing. The what the the the slave enslavement,

(01:26:25):
even in the Arab worlds was very different because, uh,
the enslaved were taken into the society, into the community.
They were largely domestic helpless. Whereas the plantation slavery, which
is a transatlantic one that was industrial and commercial, that

(01:26:45):
was working the enslaved systematically to death. That was extreme brutalization.
That was never a hallmark of the original historic slavery
that the world knew. So it's almost that we needed
a different word or what happened slavery is almost disrespecting

(01:27:09):
and insulting those earlier practitioners. When we're talking about the
plantation slavery, the Transatlantic one, this is pure evil. This
is something completely different. So it's a nonsense where mask
Is on his platform is going around saying well, slavery
has been around since time immemorial. Farming and farming are

(01:27:31):
very very different things. Slavery as it was, which was
largely domestic, the enslaved, even in the Roman times, could
always become somebody in the society. It was not racial.
This one was racial. This one was first the Indians
almost to the point of being wiped out, and then

(01:27:54):
at that point switching to the Africans. It was racial,
and that's what makes it so different.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Six away from the top there with Delia Gunnis book
is called a slation called Jesus. You mentioned the Arab
Did you talk about the Arab Arab role in the
slave trade as.

Speaker 12 (01:28:09):
Well, Deli, Yes, absolutely, because the Arab slave trade, the
trans Saharan one, is much older than the Transatlantic one,
much older, but it was different for this reason. They
did not have new lands that they were colonizing. You
see in the case of the transatlantic one, it was

(01:28:31):
double jeopardy. First of all, they took lands belonging to
the Native Indians, the Haiti, the Jamaica, the Barbadas, and
the Americas. They took the lands from those people's jennacided
them in the course of the early part of the trade.
And then add another layer, which is now they had

(01:28:52):
these lands that they needed to populate with labor, and
that's when they came for our people, the people of Africa.
And now added that extra layer. The Arabs didn't have
lands that they had colonized. The only place that they
could take whoever they were enslaving to was into Arabia

(01:29:13):
tef and they were part of the society. And there's
a limit that provides a constraint on the level of
mistreatment that you can inflict in open society. It's a
bit like you know, plantation slavery Transatlantic one. The nearest
equivalent is if you think about Guantanamo Bay. There's a

(01:29:34):
difference between you treat the way you treat prisoners out
of sight in grant Alamo Bay and those were imprisoned
in mainland and America out of sight, out of mind,
no rules no limits, no boundary.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Gotcha, listen, we got to check the traffic and within
our differences. I wanted you to stay stick around for
a couple of minutes more because I got a tweet
question for it, and I'm going to read the tweet
question now that you think about and then you can
respond when we get back. Tweeter says, if they use
religion to control us, isn't it dangerous for us not
to believe in the White Jesus? Was all I guess
the tweeter is saying. Is all this part of a plan?

(01:30:12):
Let me read again. I guess I'm messing up in
the If they use religion to control is it so?
Isn't dangerous? Isn't it dangerous for us not to believe
in the White Jesus? Let you respond to that. I
hope you got it. The sald's convoluted to me. But anyway,
three minutes away from the top, they have families. I mentioned,
you've got a step aside. Get caught up with the
lady's traffic, weather and our different cities. We'll come back

(01:30:33):
with Deadly Gun's response is written a book. It's called
a slave ship called Jesus. You want to speak to him.
Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
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and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on
this Thursday morning. I guess is a daily a gun.
He's calling us from London. He's written a book called
the Slave Ship called Jesus. It's an attorney as well.

(01:30:55):
Before we left, though, I had a question for him,
and the tweeter retool the question because as it's fumbling
all over, I think there's some auto correction going there.
So the question now is now that we know they
use religion worldwide to control us, how can we save ourselves?

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:31:13):
Great, great question. I think the key to it is
this is to treat religion as a potentially potentially dangerous products.
It can use the right way. It can be very
very helpful, and can be supportive, and can be inspirational

(01:31:37):
and empowered, but at the same time, it can be
poisonous and we've got to be we've got to be
mindful of that. And my own view is that because
these books, both the Bible and the Qur'an, these are
books of really sophisticated literature, and what's happening and what
historically what has happened is that those very sophisticated books,

(01:32:03):
which are difficult to understand their true meaning, the true message,
they've been put into people's hands from a very very
young age. They actually almost should be carrying health warnings
a bit like cigarette packs. You know, it could give
you pleasure, but it could damage you. And both the
Quran and the Bible ought to carry health aulings to

(01:32:26):
say handle with care. Because you speak to some of
the pastors and say, look, I can I how does
this make sense that a bear came out of the
woods because children were calling Elijah, body, go up, body,
go up boardy and he points the staff at them,

(01:32:46):
and the bear comes out of the woods and tears
these children into pieces. And how can I relate that?
How does a young person relate that to the world
that they live in. And what they'll tell you is
that or it needs sort of the Holy Spirit. You
need to read it with the Holy Spirit in order
to understand what the true message of that is well,

(01:33:09):
in which case it needs to be wrapped. And this
is true of the Koran as well, where their passages
in the Qur'an which is directing the killing of the infidels.
And of course the believers will come and try and
explain in the way and dilute the the literal message.
And this is why I say that both books ought

(01:33:31):
to be come with a wrapper. Beware, be careful, and
that's the only way we can save ourselves if you
keep the brakes on. The greatest gifts that our creator
gave us is our power to think and to think
through and filter, because the mind is the filter for

(01:33:52):
all poison that's aimed at us in whatever form it comes,
and provided we'll keep the filter switched on whenever we're
reading anything. Then, truly, you, though you walk in the
value of death, I fear no evil because the brain
is always switched on to really filter and dilute the
message that's coming through anything else. It's like radiation is

(01:34:16):
a full exposure, and he'll kill you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Wow, thank you, Deli, thank you, Mamma Tellia, Julian, doctor
Julian Manu man. But let's take a call real quick
for you from Baltimore, Kareem and Baltimore is a quick
question for you, Kaream, can you make it real quick
for Dahli are going.

Speaker 15 (01:34:35):
Yes, I just wanted to ask if he ever heard
of a book called The Scourge of Spain. It's about
John Hardy Hawkin and how he enslaved Africans in Africa.
It's a good book, The Purge of Spain, The Scourge
of Spain. That's the name of the book.

Speaker 12 (01:34:56):
The Girch The Scourge of Spain. No, I haven't, but
I was slightly correct narrative because what he did at
Hawkins he kidnapped. On his first trip, he kidnapped a
boatload of Africans on the coast of sier Leo. It
was about three hundred of them.

Speaker 11 (01:35:12):
He kidnapped them.

Speaker 12 (01:35:14):
But what he did he sailed off to them and
sold them in. He sold them in Haiti. So in
his early expedition he wasn't actually running any plantation or anything.
He was just kidnapping and selling. Yes, but that book, all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Right, thanks Carey. I wanted to come a park real quick.
Your question for Delhi.

Speaker 11 (01:35:40):
My question is could you talk about the Royal African
Company in their relationship to slavery. The Royal Abitan Company
heard of that.

Speaker 12 (01:35:52):
Right, that's right, Yes, it was formed by the It
was formed by the King of England. It was around
about sixteen sixteen sixty three is how it started, and
its full title was the Company of Royal Adventurers of

(01:36:15):
England Trade into Africa, and that's when they received the
Royal Charter and it was headed by the Duke of
York who was a future King of England. He became
King James, King James the Second. Now, so this is
the evidence that the trade had sanctioned all the way

(01:36:38):
to the very top of England, right up to the
King and the Duke of York. This was a corporate
venture and it was in seventeen I mentioned this earlier,
seventeen forty nine that they passed the Act Trade into
Africa Act that prohibited the kidnapping of Africans for enslavement.

(01:37:03):
And it was in seventeen fifty two that the Royal
Africa Company was dissolved. So it had a royal charter
if you're looking for if you had any doubts about
whether this enterprise was blessed by the Royal family, was
approved by them. The principal company, and that company was

(01:37:25):
the one that was transporting Africans to the Americans because
the original American settlers, you know, the ones who came
on a mayflower, et cetera. They actually didn't want participation
in the slave trade. They wanted a white America. It

(01:37:48):
was the They wanted an industrial economy rather than the
slave plantation economy. It was the English king that was
James the second, that was insisting on transporting Africans and
this was the company that was used, and the numbers

(01:38:08):
just escalated because they wanted to What they were seeking
to create in America was a slave plantation economy on
the model of Barbados, on the model of Jamaica, et cetera.

Speaker 14 (01:38:23):
So that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Yeah, Deli a gun call us from London, Delhi. How
can folks get your book? And family? The book is
called a Slave You called Jesus. How can we pick
up the bookuet on the States?

Speaker 12 (01:38:34):
It's only via Amazon. Unfortunately, we're trying to get it
into the bookshops there, but it's on Amazon dot com.
That's where you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Get it, all right, brave brother. So I want to
thank you for doing that book. A bunch of folks
more question but they were always usually they wait to
the last minute. But I thank you again for joining us.

Speaker 12 (01:38:52):
Thanks so much, Car, Thank you Africans in America.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Oh, thank you. Deli. Deli organ is an author, is
also an attorney in London, has written the book and
family do your research on The book is called a
slave ship called Jesus. This book is uh. Tony Brader
recommended us that we get Deli on there and shared
all this information with your family, So I'll leave it
right there. Ten after the top of the doctor Julian Malveaux,
thank you for being so patient with us this morning.

(01:39:18):
Grand rising, great rising to you, Carl, doctor Malveaux. We're
coming to what's the end of the year. Donald Trump
says the economy is doing fine. If you had to
grave the economy and the Trump administration's uh administration of
the economy, what would you do? What grade would you
give them?

Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
A D?

Speaker 13 (01:39:40):
A simple D, maybe a D minus. But I'm trying
to be slightly generous.

Speaker 16 (01:39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:39:46):
No, the economy is not doing well. You know, the
macro numbers look okay, okay, but just staying at a
grocery store talk to somebody. Yesterday, I had a walked
up the street to get a haircut and was walking
back down Fourteenth Street. I was approached by at least
three people, a couple who just wanted, you know, a handout.

(01:40:10):
Do you have the extra money? I don't understand the
concept of extra money, but anyway, you know, brother say
he's docs, do you have any extra He recognized me.
I gave him five. You know, we talked for a minute.
He was talking about how challenging it is. But that's
that's my micro of reflection. Talk to anybody anywhere, unless

(01:40:32):
you're in the high in the mid six figures, maybe
the low six figures, you're you're you're stealing something. So
I don't know where Trump he doesn't go to the
grocery store, obviously, but I don't know where he gets
his information from. So but but we do though that
he doesn't get information from anywhere.

Speaker 14 (01:40:52):
He just makes it up.

Speaker 13 (01:40:53):
And so he says the economy is doing well. The
numbers don't show that. I think the yes to day,
the drop in the inflationary not the inflatiaray, but the
drop and the interest rate from the SAD was a
desperation move because half of them march marks the beat.

Speaker 5 (01:41:15):
Of a Trump drummer.

Speaker 13 (01:41:19):
It's a desperation move.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Is not going to fix anything, and it's really very challenging.

Speaker 13 (01:41:25):
To look at what's going on and look at how
people are living, and look at what people are experiencing.
You we can talk all the numbers we want. Nothing
can replace individual experiences. At about sixty percent, that's most
of us, Carl, about sixty percent of all Americans are
saying and don't trust this economy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
And doctor Manveaux family just rolling with us. I guess
is doctor Julian Malveaux. She's economists, the MIT trained economists.
I should say she's one of the best in the business.
And analyzing the money thirteen half the top day you
want to speak to our reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight is
seventy six, doctor Malvo? How can they come to these
numbers when the government has not released any of you know,

(01:42:13):
economic figures in such quite some time because of the
I guess the government's shut down. We don't know what
the employment rate is, we don't know what's going on
the other factors that come. Wall Street doesn't know how
to budget code going into the new year. So how
how difficult is them for us to understand? For them?
The Trump administrations, You say that comedy is doing well
when they can't prove it. Yeah, I usually use they

(01:42:35):
can't prove it.

Speaker 13 (01:42:36):
You know, they can't prove it. They you know, they're
full of nonsense. As you know, there are alternative measures.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
The federal data is the best data, or has been
in the past.

Speaker 13 (01:42:48):
But you also have data from term Society of Human
Resource Management. They collect numbers from various employers. We're hearing
about people like Amazon and others or laying people off
because of AI. So we were getting other information besides
the official documentation, and that other information we're getting is

(01:43:10):
not good. What we're hearing is people across the board
saying they're laying people off. So while we don't have
the government data, what we know is that people are
girding themselves for layoffs. The other thing called we have
to bear in mind is that the government shutdown, which
was the longest we've had, may have just been a
prelude to the next shutdown. In other words, if everything

(01:43:34):
is not worked out by January thirtieth, we may shut
down again. Now I'm not predicting that or hoping for that,
but it's a clear possibility. It's a fifty to fifty
possibility that government will shut down again unless they do something.
And the third thing, Carl is you and I have discussed,
as many have discussed, is a whole healthcare situation. Last evening,

(01:43:55):
of course, Congress meant they're trying to figure out a
short term solution. But when they open government again, they
said there would be some solution. Many Democrats, but not
enough Republicans are saying, let's just hold the over Obama
subsidies for another year so that people don't have to

(01:44:18):
be scrambling and tripping, and let's have these people sit
down and have a Cojing conversation so something can happen
in another year. So we have those pressures, many pressures
hitting on the economy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Your thoughts about Obamacare? Is it going to go away?
Is it going to extend it? Is it going to
be modified?

Speaker 13 (01:44:40):
We don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:44:42):
What we do know is that.

Speaker 13 (01:44:45):
Obamacare subsidies for big help for a lot of people.
Democrats has always played a short game. So what happened
is they said, well, they'll expire at the end of
twenty twenty five. So that's where we are now, the
end of twenty twenty five. What does that mean. It
means that people are.

Speaker 4 (01:45:03):
Going to see.

Speaker 13 (01:45:06):
Ten to thirty percent, if not more, increases in their
health insurance premiums. I got mine yesterday. They're not high
high high. That's my Medicare advantage program. But there everything
I have is ten dollars more a month. Okay, everything

(01:45:28):
I have is ten dollars more month. I haven't really
gone through to analyze it, but that's a high end
plan at ten dollars more month. What are other people seeing?
So we don't know. Again, A Foon promised the Democrats
Schumer that there will be a conversation before the end
of the year about what's happening with hell insurance. But see,

(01:45:52):
a conversation is not a solution. And they're scheduled to
leave carl on Friday, November twelfth, is supposed to be
the last day of legislative deliberations. Now that may not
be the case. They may say over they often do.
But let's just be clear. We're in crunch time.

Speaker 9 (01:46:11):
We're in crunch time, all right, and hold that thought
right there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Seventeen after the top of our sister Serta, he's got
a question for USh out in California, but we got
to step aside for a few moments. I let her
pose a question. On the other side, Family, YouTube can
join our conversation with doctor Julian Malvaul. She's an economist.
You can reach us an eight hundred four or five
calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with
us on this Thursday morning. I guess she's economist, doctor

(01:46:36):
Julian Malvaux. M I T grat and you've probably seen
us amongst the talking heads discussing the economy and our
community and what she does. She's telling us what the
economy is really doing for our community anyway, Dr Malvaux.
Sister Serrita's called from California has a question for issues
online too, Grand Rising, Sister Serrita, you're on with doctor
Julianna Malvaux.

Speaker 17 (01:46:56):
Grand Rising, Carl, thank you for taking my call. Keep
it short. I just wanted to end good morning to
you guys. I just wanted to know do you think
it is wise to open up a business, and if so,
do you believe that it should be an LLC or
a nonprofit. I was speaking to someone who said better

(01:47:20):
they would be better to do a nonprofit, but I
would like to get your input on that, and I'll
take my comments off the air.

Speaker 13 (01:47:27):
Thank you so much, Thank you system for your call.
The question, the answer is that it depends on what
your goals are and what kind of screwtiny you're prepared
to deal with. If you are going to be a
nonprofit as in a five oh one C three, the
question is why. Certainly as a nonprofit, there are things

(01:47:49):
you can do. You can pay yourself, you can do
other things, but what are your goals? An LLC is
a limit liability corporation. Their plus does and cons there.
I would advise you to talk to a tax person
to see about that. But unless your goals are purely philanthropic,

(01:48:10):
I don't advise necessarily a five or one C three.
I mean, yeah, if you are purely philanthropic, you're doing education,
doing health whatever.

Speaker 15 (01:48:22):
That is.

Speaker 13 (01:48:24):
Nonprofit do nonprofit so you're trying to make a profit,
understand that your profits will be scrutinized from a tax perspective.
A talk to your tax advisor and move ahead with
due diligence.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Yeah, that makes a question, Doctor Malvo at twenty three minutes,
I thank your sistance. Area twenty three minutes after top
how come these all these millionaires is billionius they pay
zero tax? What is it they know that we don't know?
And almost now we've got thinking about you know, right
after the holidays, it's taxis and we're thinking about taxes.
You can to do our taxes a week. Many times
we have to pay if we don't have a lot
of right is the fact that they have a lot

(01:49:02):
of write offs that data they think about with zero
taxes and then millionaires and billionaires, what are we doing wrong?

Speaker 13 (01:49:09):
Well, they do have a lot of write offs that
they do document them. Many of them also give give
major contributions and maybe as sister mentioned, they have foundations
and others that they direct money to. Again, the best
bet is to have a great tax advisor. Anything we
say on this line, Carl, we love our people. You

(01:49:32):
don't want to put our people in jeopardy, so I
would not. I don't give people tax advice and that
kind of advice, you know, because it comes at you
all the time and no one knows the particularities of
your situation. Sit down with somebody who's going to help
you go through your numbers and make sure that you're

(01:49:55):
making the right decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
All right, twenty five, the topic A tweet question for you.
Doctor Man tweeted says, this administration has caused harm to
black women. My husband and I survive on two paychecks.
Many of our sisters are being laid off and losing
six figure jobs in the thousands. How can we fight back?

Speaker 13 (01:50:16):
We have to have plan BC, D and E around
how we maintain ourselves. And I'm struggling with this personally myself.
I lost six figures of contracts when that man came
into office, and I'm still trying to scramble to recover
some of that. But we have to have a plan
BCD and E, which means how else are you going
to have income streams? And that's what sisters who have

(01:50:39):
lost six figure federal jobs, what are your other income streams?
The second question is what can you do cut back
on I mean, yeah, you would live in large once
upon a time. You might not be living large now,
but that doesn't mean you have to be living low.
It means that you have to figure out what your
other income streams are. And the third thing is what's

(01:51:01):
your plan b CD raft about reinventing yourself? What do
you need to do to you're out of the federal job.
You're out of a good federal job. The companies that
you used to work with are not out there anymore
looking for you. So what else can you do? And
those are the initial and essential dilemmas.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
All right, let me follow up on that at Dr Melvo.
Is this a temporary situation or or is this the real?

Speaker 14 (01:51:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
This is the new situation we're dealing with now.

Speaker 13 (01:51:35):
It's both. Even if federal stuff is resolved, it's gonna
take It's not gonna happen overnight. So in a very
short run, you were the head of DEI at yaddada.
You're not gonna be that next year. That's just real.

(01:51:56):
Some of this it will pay time to recover. By
the time it recovers, somebody might be the head of THEI,
might not be you. They may have gone younger or
in a different direction. So basically, just do you boo.
You've got to figure it out. In the permanent situation,

(01:52:18):
much of this will be restored, but the question is
how it will be restored and what it means. We
are basically this man has come, and not only into
federal government but into general society. My grandmother used to
have a comment comment called a bull in a China closet.
This total disruption, that was his goal. Go back and

(01:52:40):
look at project twenty twenty five, and then Mother Jones
has a cover twenty twenty six. We see it right now.
In education, one of Carl. One of the things that
is really startling is what they've done to nursing professionals.
So nursing is no longer a profession according to this administration,

(01:53:04):
which means that people are pursuing advanced degrees in nursing
now have limited federal financial aid available to them, less
than they had a year ago. That's disruptive. Thirteen percent
of all of our nurses are black women, so that's
very disruptive. But we're going to see disruption and we're

(01:53:26):
going to get through it, and it's going to be challenging,
and we're.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Going to get to it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Twenty eight after tough egg more, folks want to talk
to Dr Malvaux Lisa first these online threes calling from Baltimore,
Grand Rising Lee. Your question for doctor Malvaux.

Speaker 18 (01:53:41):
Yes, Grand Rising, and again thank you for all that
you do. My question is what are your thoughts on
the implementation that the administration is saying they're going to
do where they're going to have IRS reps coming to
people's houses and knocking on their doors and getting information
from them because one they didn't file their taxi with
his discrepancy.

Speaker 13 (01:54:04):
This administration has been abusive and disruptive, and I would
say to people, if you know you have discrepancies or challenges,
actually past professional right away. If someone comes to your door,
you don't have to let him in. You do not
have to let him in, but you do have to
be protected. This is frightening, but it's no different than
what's happening with Ice, with others.

Speaker 4 (01:54:27):
This administration's goal is to be disruptive.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Gotie, thankfully. Thirty minutes at the top there, Charles the
thirties called listener from Washington DC's online four Grand Rising. Charles,
your question for doctor.

Speaker 19 (01:54:40):
Melvaux Hotel brother Carl, doctor Marvel.

Speaker 5 (01:54:45):
I have a comment in question.

Speaker 19 (01:54:47):
My comment is I think it would be kind of
unspared to say the said Trump has them in their pockets,
because I had the opportunity to listen to Jerome Pal's
interview after or the announcement, and he clearly stated the
labor market is in trouble regardless of what numbers you're hearing,

(01:55:08):
and he said, and even the numbers you're hearing, they
expect that they will come back and make an adjustment downward.
So he basically said, don't trust the administration. My question
to you is are you familiar with the phrase plutonomy
And I think it's very important with that phrase because

(01:55:31):
it talks about how an elite class in a country
basically will account for all of the expenditures and basically
you don't need the other people involved. For example, where
recently they said ten percent of the population accounted for

(01:55:54):
over fifty percent of the expenditures, and it looks like
the country is moving towards where seventy expenditures are counted
for an elite class. So therefore you don't have to
have jobs for people. It doesn't matter if people are
spending money. So if you can comment on that plutonomy

(01:56:15):
and how it is being factored in in the way
things are done, and I'll listen and take your comment
off the air.

Speaker 13 (01:56:24):
Well, thank you for a great question. It's a really
important question. A plutonomy is an economy where growth is
driven by the wealthy, where everybody else is essentially just there,
but luxury goods. Basically, the rich consume a disproportionate amount
of goods. The rest of us are suckers. Quite frankly,

(01:56:46):
my brothers and I've been writing about this, and Carl,
if you give me a small moment of self promotion,
I have a new newsletter called the Malvoe Monitor, and
you can get it by doing Malville Monitor at gmail
dot com. The last two issues have been about consumer
spending and about the ways that we basically fund our

(01:57:07):
own oppression. And the plutonomy thing is part of it
because the wealthy spin, the rest of us spin too,
but we're hooked into creative consumption. In other words, how
many people get turned off turned on? Rather they get
an email fifty percent off. Which you don't understand is

(01:57:31):
that fifty percent off still is making somebody a profit.
And so Brothermand's question, I forgot his name, and I
apologized her for forgetting your name. But basically, the plutonomy
is an economy driven by the wealthy. But the other
piece of that is predatory capitalism that also allows the
wealthy to extract from the rest of us. So if

(01:57:56):
we're not getting the luxury goods that the wealthy get,
we want to imitate them, so we don't get a
pride of bag. We get a fake pride of bag
and somebody make a lot of money from that. So
it's a very important concept and it really does focus
on the wealthy driving the economy, which is what we're
seeing now. The Trump cabinet is majority billionaires. Where did

(01:58:22):
they get that money from us? So it's a good
it's a good phrase to remember, and I'm gonna lift.

Speaker 4 (01:58:30):
It up in my next newsletter.

Speaker 5 (01:58:31):
Thank you, my brother.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
All right, as Charles going from Washington, d C. Eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. Money Mike's
joining us from Baltimore is online too, Grand Rising Money Mike.
Your question for doctor Malfax.

Speaker 7 (01:58:46):
Good morning, Carl, Good morning, doctor Merrilviaue. How a y'all
doing this morning? Great Gray rising, Gray browsing, Doctor Merlelvaux.
You touched on two things and you're really hitting on
all cylinders this morning. Uh when Carl as the question
why to the rich don't pay taxes? Well, first of all, Car,
this country was based on a business, and nobody has

(01:59:09):
really talked to us, doctor Melville about opening up your
home your own home based business. Multiple streams of income.
You know you talked about we're consumers. What do you
do with red bottom shoes except walk on them? You
know what.

Speaker 17 (01:59:26):
Time?

Speaker 7 (01:59:26):
I mean, you're gonna stuff the bottoms up? What sense
does that make to spend money or something that doesn't
produce anything for you except to impress people who really
don't get a done about you. So I'm saying that
if you understand a home based business, they're a tax deductions.
You can write off a portion of your mortgage. You
can write off your cell phone for you, your children.

(01:59:49):
You can put your cars in your children's name, you
can put your children on the payroll. That is how
business works in this country. So all of those expenses
that you and can be written off, and they understand
the task code. We don't even promote business, even from
our leaders, so called leader doctor Mault. Why is there

(02:00:11):
we promote voting, but we don't promote owning your own
hole based business. Why is that?

Speaker 13 (02:00:18):
I can't give you the answer to that, but I
will tell you that you're absolutely right. There's some financial
strategies that our civil rights organizations and others should be promoting,
and should be promoting them aggressively and we don't see
that happening, So you're absolutely right, we need to understand more.
I mean, this is a predatory capitalist of that is exploited,

(02:00:39):
and many of us, myself included, decried that system. But
we also have to understand if you don't play the game,
you ain't gonna win. So even as we decry the system,
we might want to look at the ways that we
can benefit from it.

Speaker 7 (02:00:55):
Well, I'm gonna end with this, doctor maulbro At age seventeen.
I understand the gang. I understood that voting. You can vote,
but you gotta pay politicians in this country. So I'm
not a Democrat nor Republican. I'm a capitalist, Okay, I'm serious.

(02:01:16):
I mean I make money. That's what I'm about. I'm
about money because it allows me to protect my family.
You know, when young boys were being locked up didn't
have legal representation, I said, I'm gonna afford a lawyer
for my family, not just my immediate family, but also
the other members of my family. So you know, we
got to get into money. If we don't, we're gonna

(02:01:37):
suffer in this country. As Paul, have a good district.

Speaker 13 (02:01:43):
Thank you for your cause. I appreciate you. You're absolutely right.
I mean, one of the ways that we see the
spit break down is when somebody is arrested. People who
have wealth can bail their people out. People who do
not have wealth often have someone languishing in a jail
from months. And I have many close personal friends who

(02:02:05):
have had that experience, didn't have the money to get out.
Eventually found not guilty, but what happened to that six seven,
eight months of their life? And that's a difference between
having wealth, which is access and not having it. So
thank you for your call and for your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (02:02:22):
All right, hold, I thought right there, Dr Malvaulx. We
got to step aside for a few moments. When we
come back, though, I call. I wanted to know what
is the impact in the black community of MIT grads
and where do we find them. I'll let you respond
to that when we get back. Family, you two can
join our conversation. We're talking about money with top economists
doctor Julian and malvau. You can reach your eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

(02:02:44):
take your phone calls next and grand Rising family, thanks
for sticking with us on this Thursday morning, I guess
is doctor Julian Malvau. Before we go back to doctor
Malvod's to remind you. Coming later this morning, we'll speak
with Willie Rix William mccassa, Dotter Rix. He is civil
rights I County mart with doctor King, kwameed for Ray,
John Lewis, all the other members of SNAKY was there.
In fact, he's the expression who coined the phrase black power.

(02:03:07):
And you know, stokely Kwame Terray made that famous phrase famous.
So he's going to be joining us later this morning,
and tomorrow's Friday, So we're going to give you a
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(02:03:28):
fifty w L. Doctor malvel the caller called into the
studio wanted to know what is the impact of the
black community of MIT grads and where do we find them?

Speaker 13 (02:03:39):
We are all over the place, you know, we are
all over the place. We've got a lot of entrepreneurs
who are m I T. T.

Speaker 4 (02:03:47):
Grads.

Speaker 13 (02:03:47):
You've got you know, PSG economists like me and others
got folks in the sciences, some of the sisters and
the sciences are just amazing.

Speaker 8 (02:04:00):
So you MI T.

Speaker 13 (02:04:02):
Makes a difference. Now, I won't say it's the best
place in the world. I always tell people I wish
I had gone to an HBCU undergrad. I might be
a nicer person. White people taught me how to fight.
As a freshman, I was accused of plagiarism from a
white girl who sat behind me. So somehow I had
eyes in the back of my head at Boston College.

(02:04:24):
And that's a long story. I'll write about it whenever
I write a memoir. But but we're everywhere. There's some
amazing patent attorneys locally. I think Phil Hampton, patent attorney
who does amazing work. They're just so many we we
you know, black folks who do excellence make a difference
across the board. And those of us who endured M

(02:04:47):
I T. And I say endured make a difference across
the board.

Speaker 1 (02:04:53):
I think implication because yeah, well we shoe people like
yourself M I T. Grading. But you're working for us,
you we are looking to that for black folks. And
I think the implication of the question is where are
all these super smart folks working for other folks? How
can we bring them into the fold?

Speaker 13 (02:05:09):
Well, I think that, you know, we have to be everywhere,
and some of us are explicitly working for us. Others
are implicitly working for us. I don't blame anybody who
does not, you know, put a Black Lives Matter benner
outside their house or inside their office. We have to
I assume, I have to assume the best of black

(02:05:31):
people that when I do that, I assume that most
of us, but not all of us, but not all
of us, both of us do care about our people. Now,
I can give you names of colleagues who are serious
times that one would be like Glenn Lowry went to
work for Ronald Reagan as until he knocked the black
girl down up fight the steps with his foot. No,

(02:05:53):
I'm not even going to go there. Everybody brown ain't down.
That's true in my t grads and everybody else.

Speaker 14 (02:06:00):
Let me hear it at that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
All right, I got a tweak question for you. Fifteen
away from the top of that, says Dr Malva. Is
America losing its status as the world leader. If so,
what country is stepping up?

Speaker 19 (02:06:14):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (02:06:14):
Absolutely, we lost. We were already already losing our status.
I wrote a piece of years ago called the End
of Imminence about the fact that if we didn't pay
attention to developing countries, to the brick countries, or that
that was in a term then to thom of other things,
that we essentially would no longer be the world leader.

(02:06:36):
Now that Orange man, he's accelerated that he's done stupid
things that no other president would do, taking an oil
tanker in Venezuela. Excuse me, are you trying to have
a war? Calling people as whole countries, calling Somali people garbage?

(02:07:01):
Do you launch all the pomp and circumstance it came
with being the United States America, this above it all
country that was able to essentially bring people together. Now
he will tell you that he has solved wars and
done this and done that, and we would say, to

(02:07:22):
what end and at what cost? So, yes, we are
we have we're losing our eminence.

Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
So how do we position ourselves? I'm talking about black
people here in this country and in the diaspora. How
do we position you? Because we talked about this earlier
this morning with a Danny spot right out of Detroit
is the director of the Center for Pan African Studies
in Detroit. How do we position our people, you know,
to take advantage of what's going on now?

Speaker 13 (02:07:47):
We have to be engaged with the African continent, with
the diaspora. I think we look at people like Bread
I didn't hear the interview, and I'll get some information
from you about it later, but also posts like mail
Flip with the for Africa. But we need to be engaged.
So many of us are not engaged with our idea
sport presence, and there are opportunities. They are economic opportunities,

(02:08:12):
there are other opportunities. So we need to be engaged
in what else there is out there. We cannot look
intward and say, well, we have enough problem. I've hear
people all the times say why are you so worried
about Africa?

Speaker 14 (02:08:22):
What about us?

Speaker 13 (02:08:24):
We're connected, So I will tell anyone who listened started reading,
looks up belt Foot. He's brilliant and he has relationships
with many of the African countries. But he's not the
only one. But he's great. So just start thinking about
how you might engage there also trade opportunities that are possibilities.

(02:08:50):
So we need to be globally focused, not locally focused.

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
Speaking about locally focused twelve minutes away from the top
ben Doctor mount Vaux, we show some Theriselle's come in
from Miami and from Georgia where Democrats showed, I guess
showed some strength. How do you see what's going on?
Are we are we witnessing the turning of the tide
here when it comes to the Mega group.

Speaker 13 (02:09:15):
Let's not count on that too soon, but it's certainly
within the realm of possibility. Here's what we do know.
We know that back in November, both in Virginia and
New Jersey, we saw Democratic women earning governorships there, earning governorships.
In Miami, we see a woman, first time in thirty

(02:09:39):
years coming in as mayor.

Speaker 4 (02:09:41):
What will she do?

Speaker 13 (02:09:43):
And certainly we see some judicial elections in Georgia raising
the same questions. But these are very small victories and
a greater scope. The big issue is going to be
what happens now here just a few months from now,
twenty twenty six. That's gonna be the issue. Can we

(02:10:08):
turn that around? And I don't think that Democrats, I'm
you know I'm a Democrat. I'm a yellow dog Democrat,
which I hate to say, which means that the Democrat
was a yellow dog. I'd still vote for it, but
I've become a disillusion about some of the Democratic moves.
I'm excited about Jasuine Crockett running in Texas, but I don't.

Speaker 14 (02:10:32):
Know if she can win.

Speaker 13 (02:10:32):
To be honest, Texas is like not red as blood red.
So you have this amazing, brilliant black woman running for
the Senate, but can she win.

Speaker 4 (02:10:48):
Democrats have not.

Speaker 13 (02:10:51):
Told their story in ways that people can embrace. That's
the challenge for Democrats. Now, Spamberger did it it and
in New Jersey, Mickey Cheryl, I believe did it. They
told the right story.

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
It was a very centrist story.

Speaker 13 (02:11:08):
And the big question for a lot of people do
Democrats have to come off the edgine into the Senator?
And I don't know, brother mom Dommy turned it out
in New York, but I don't. Let's not take two
or three data points and come to a conclusion.

Speaker 1 (02:11:25):
Yeah, and the common issue with those racist that it
was affordability. And Donald Trumps picked up on that and
he's basically hitting the campaign trail is the chief of Staffs.
And that's what he's going to be doing for the
next few months because he thinks that twenty twenty six
is going to be a referendum on him, so he's
going to basically try to pain himself as the affordability president.

(02:11:45):
Your thoughts on that.

Speaker 13 (02:11:47):
Well, what's at the fool thing of the person who
lives in the house that enslaved people built, he said,
Democrats talking about affordability is like buying Clyde some some
slipping something that in a moment of cogency, because he
doesn't have many and the moment of coaching, he put
out there, whatever, affordability is the issue, whether you're a

(02:12:11):
dem or an R.

Speaker 4 (02:12:13):
If you go to the grocery store.

Speaker 18 (02:12:15):
You're feeling it.

Speaker 13 (02:12:16):
If you're in the bottom sixty percent, Carl, the bottom
sixty percent means more than half of us, you're feeling it.

Speaker 4 (02:12:23):
You go to the grocery store.

Speaker 13 (02:12:24):
If people want to talk about eggs and eggs prices
or down, whatever, No, look at the whole market, pack basket,
look at what everything is costing. Some stuff goes up,
some stuff goes back. With the buy mind is most
people are paying more for grocery and that's that's the
affordability story. The other piece of a carl that, regretfully

(02:12:44):
I must just share for a moment is a whole
issue of housing costs. And owners are getting hit, you.

Speaker 14 (02:12:54):
Know, with.

Speaker 13 (02:12:56):
Rising property taxes of other things. Renters are getting hit.
Corporate America is purchasing single family homes, and what that
essentially means is that everybody's being squeezed on housing. So
groceries are one thing, and you can play with groceries.
You don't have to have steak, you can have chicken
blah blah, but you can't really play with housing. And

(02:13:19):
so our seniors, our African American singers are among the
most squeezed in this housing crisis.

Speaker 4 (02:13:26):
So we have to be very mindful of that.

Speaker 1 (02:13:30):
Got youa ed away from the top of that, Dr Malveaux,
this recent FED rate cut. Do you think it is
cut deep enough to stimulate the economy where we can
actually feel it?

Speaker 14 (02:13:40):
No, No, I don't.

Speaker 13 (02:13:43):
I think it's it's surface, it's small. I do think
if you're looking for a mortgage, you might get a break.
How many people are looking for a mortgage right now,
But if you're looking for a mortgage, you might get
a break. There are some people who will get breaks,
but not a lot of people. The small rate cut
is a small rate cut. I think the Fed played

(02:14:04):
it very, very cautiously, and there was the set within
them that man who lives in a house that enslaved
people built, lived like he said double the cut that
they did, okay, And others said we shouldn't do anything.

Speaker 4 (02:14:23):
So you don't have a united said.

Speaker 13 (02:14:26):
And that's probably at this point a good thing, but
it's a challenging thing for me.

Speaker 1 (02:14:33):
And I got to ask you this question stix away
from the top alf faunidly. I guess they start to
Julian Melfol, she's an economist. MI t talk to malth
vote because you mentioned earlier about Donald Trump seizing these
tankers off Venezuela's coast. If the full scale war breaks out,
what does that mean for the economy?

Speaker 14 (02:14:53):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (02:14:53):
It tanks it.

Speaker 4 (02:14:55):
Oh question, it tanks it.

Speaker 13 (02:14:58):
The album is I don't even want to say, but
this is the worst thing he could do. Venezuela is
not a powerless country. They have troops, they have weapons.
They can't beat us in a war. But who will
you basically conscript for this war when we be acting
black men and women as troops to go into a

(02:15:21):
country where most of the people.

Speaker 14 (02:15:23):
Look like us.

Speaker 13 (02:15:25):
But I've been to Venezuela twice, pull a lot of
black people. There, a lot of poverty there. They don't
like their administration. I would say that they're not down
with their administration, but they're not down with war either,
because they already have food challenges and other challenges, and
war will exacerbate all of that. I don't understand what

(02:15:49):
this man is thinking. Well, though I do understand he ain't.
But the bottom line on this is a war with
Venezuela will expand to a world war.

Speaker 14 (02:16:01):
They have many.

Speaker 13 (02:16:02):
European allies and we have many European allies. How will
that play out. I'm not a military strategist. I don't know,
but I do know what It won't be good for
the United States.

Speaker 1 (02:16:14):
Yeah, you said we have many and many European allies.
I think that's in question because he attacked them as
well verbally and they're not supporting in fact that some
European countries are not sharing intelligence with the United States
because of this.

Speaker 13 (02:16:30):
No, absolutely, I mean the UK has said they're not,
many have not. We had you're absolutely right. Thank you
for correcting me. We had many European allies. Right now
when we have the hot.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
Monkey mess, listen, we come up on a break and
when we come back though, how much of this what
you see going on on the political landscape is an
attempt to obscure what's going on with Epstein five? Do
you think this could be there? Why all of this
is the Donald Trump's making all these moves. I'll let
you respond to that when we get back. Family, you
want to join this conversation. I guess she's an economist.
The name is doctor Julian Malfoy. You've seen her before,

(02:17:03):
She's been all over tears. We're one of these talking heads,
one of the smartest sisters we have in our community.
You can reach her at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we would take a
break so we assess stations can identify themselves down the
line and we'll come back with your questions next and
ground rising. Family, Thanks for sticking with us on this
Thursday money. I guess this economist doctor Julian and Malfo,

(02:17:23):
doctor Malvau. Before we left the bet, my question to you,
how much of this what we've seen that from coming
out of the Trump administration has to do with the
fact that he's trying to hide the fact what's going
on with Epstein files.

Speaker 13 (02:17:37):
Well, I think there's a large quarty. But I think
also if you go back and look at Project twenty
twenty five, which you will fund, is that they promised.

Speaker 4 (02:17:45):
Disruption and that's what they've delivered.

Speaker 13 (02:17:50):
Everybody has said out everybody, but many people have said
that this president is not in the files. But the
question is who adjacent to him? Is are there members
of his cabinet who might be also complicit in trafficking
teenage girls? Are their financiers that he's associated with, who

(02:18:14):
are so? So he doesn't have to be in there.
You don't have to see him with his draws down
with a child. What you have to understand is what's
adjacent to him. So I think the fact that they
pushed back so hard about saying they don't want to
know this, they don't want to see this, it's not right.
That suggests that there's something to hide, you know, that's

(02:18:34):
that's a bottom rus that's something to be all right.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
Willie rix Stivil Rights icons on Deck we'll get to
a momentary. I've got to ask you this before I'll
let you go, though, Doctor Malvaux, we're coming up with
the Obamacare. The healthcare issue is still in a band,
so we don't know which way it's going to go.
Some Republicans, you know, they're from their constituency telling them, hey,
we need the healthcare. And the Republicans have been saying
that they they have a what do you call it

(02:19:00):
making some of a plan a concept? No, he said,
he has a concept of a plan. First question, what
took them so long to even come up with a plan.
What's holding it back? If they've got a better plan,
why don't they put out on the table. And if
they allow the Obama Care plan to expire and the
rates explode, how's that going to impact that them politically

(02:19:21):
going forward?

Speaker 13 (02:19:24):
Well, if they allow these to expire, And as I
said earlier, or maybe Aschager.

Speaker 14 (02:19:31):
So what else?

Speaker 13 (02:19:32):
I'm looking at my own You know, I'm on Medicare
because I'm over seventy and they just told me what
my supplemental is. Everything I get is up by not
a lot, but about five percent. Everything is up by
at least one hundred dollars you know from, And what
that means for folks who are not as well advantaged

(02:19:54):
as I am is that that there will be economic disruption.
That's just how it is now. The Obamacare subsidies, if
they're able to say, let's just extend it four year
and fight it out, that's good. Our health care system,
CARL has always been poorly organized. We spend one out

(02:20:17):
of seven dollars out of seven GV dollars on our
health care system, and still you have people who can
get moove lifts while others can't get basic demo care.
So the system is broken. Nobody has a courage to
fix it because when you try to fix it, somebody's

(02:20:39):
gonna get hurt. The bottom line is, when you start,
you take the pot and you figure out how you're
gonna divide it up, someone's gonna get hurt. But we
can look at other countries and look at the entitlements
that they have for health care so that people don't die.
We have fifty thousand people a year car dying because
they don't have health care dying. It can't get to

(02:21:04):
the doctors, they don't have the appropriate coverage. You know,
I'm going to docta today because my author is kicking me.
You know, Arthur and Tiger had a freeway and Arthur
won as Arthur ritis and Tiger. Mom don't think I'm
that big of a freak, but it's taken me a
month to get into the doctor. And I have good

(02:21:25):
health care, but it's taking a month. So if you
don't have good health care, what does it mean? So
this is gonna reverberate and whether you are damn or
are if you have health issues, especially if you're a senior,
it's gonna hit you at the polls.

Speaker 14 (02:21:44):
And we have a.

Speaker 13 (02:21:46):
Midterm election coming out. Now back to the original question
about Epstein et cetera. These people are disruptors. The disruption
is not just about Epstein. It's about all the friodness
that's occurred. What's just happened with the Department of Education
and nursing, What's just happened with the Department of Education

(02:22:08):
and student loans. They just want us to be going
in circles. You know that song back in the day
got me going round and around we go. This is
what's going on, and none of us Democrats or others
have gone Laser's focus and laid it out in the
appropriate way so they can get away with obscation. That's

(02:22:30):
what they've been doing. Just throw everything at the wall.
Watch us react to what's on the wall without looking
at the systemic issues that are taking place in our economy.

Speaker 1 (02:22:40):
Dr Malvo, thank you for sharing your thoughts this morning.
How can we get compet You say you've got a
letter out or a newspaper out, a new.

Speaker 13 (02:22:48):
Newsletter called my Malville Monitor is Malville Monitor at gmail
dot com. It has my weekly column and there's a
bunch of my thoughts and you know, much of the
aviation that I put out there always, of course, Julie
Malva at aol dot com is just my direct line.
I don't mind hearing from people directly. Takes me a

(02:23:09):
while to get back to you, but I do get back,
and then all the you know, Facebook tiktoks out of
the doctor j last word Julie Malvaux on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (02:23:20):
Pawa all right, thank you, Dr Malvaux, thank you for
sharing your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (02:23:25):
And Carl, I appreciate you. I appreciate you, and I
appreciate the opportunities to be with you.

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
All right, family, that's doctor Julian Malvau and we appreciate
all the information you share with us. So we're also
trying to find our brilliant scholars. That dodtr Malvoy has
one of them. As I mentioned, she graduated from MIT.
He gotta have some smarts to get into the Mit family.
That's one of the hardest colleges to get in in
the world. Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

(02:23:50):
eight seventy six. Keep that number, honey, you needed for
our next guest, who happens to be brother William macassa
do Rix, Brother Willie Rix grand Rising, Welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 14 (02:24:00):
Thank you Berry Kansas. Brother.

Speaker 1 (02:24:04):
Really let me Rick, let me ask you this question.
Though you're seeing right now a lot of the what
you guys fought for in the sixties. You you know,
you you see some of your colleagues got killed, an
injured name shot the whole nine yards and what we've
seen and it didn't just start with this administration, but
we see the little pidel they've been chipping away at

(02:24:25):
those games. How does that make you feel?

Speaker 14 (02:24:29):
Well? The fight contenders and hating nothing change matter fact.
These folks are who they've been all the time. We
just got more needy to see some of it. That
these people are the same that we see the slaves,
and they can do what they want to do to us,
and they're doing it to the world.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
But we're seeing a sort of an awakening in the
African community, in the black community. What's going on in
this hell? I know you got you went there recently?
Can you share I think it was Pikino Fashion one
of the countries you went to. Can you share your
trip with us?

Speaker 14 (02:25:05):
Yes? But you know we Africans, Africans, our land, Africans,
the riches land in the world, full of natural resources, diamonds,
gold and everything, make everything and take to make computers
with everything, and take the bill of cart with The
whole system of the West is built on what they
take out of Africa. Matter of fact, the whole systems
in the world is build on what they take out

(02:25:27):
of Africa. And that they took us out of Africa.
And uh, that's what they've been doing. Uh, And that's
why they look so rich and got all these fine
everythings around the world, the finest billings or whatever. But
they had to rape Africa in order to get it
and leave the African starving to death. All they had
to use slavery worldwide, slavery or commit genocide on people worldwide.

(02:25:53):
And it's what they've been doing. And they continue to
make the biggest bombs in the world, and they have
no shortage money when they come to making bombs and
killing people around the world. These are warmombers. And that
I was able to go to Bekina Fossa. But I
go back in history. I was able to work with

(02:26:15):
South Africa fifty years ago. I was able to work
with Angola, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Ginnabisau and other countries fighting against
what they're doing right now. So the people in Zimbabwe
had to pick up guns and fight Robert Mugardy. Those

(02:26:35):
people in ain't Gola had to pick up guns and
fight to get them out their diamond mines, they get
them off their land, to get them out their off
fields and to stop mass genocide and murder. And matter
of fact, we come from a system where Leopol in
the Congo killed more Africans than any more Black people

(02:26:55):
than anybody else in the world, me and tending me
fifty million whatever. And they were so brutal to us
that they if we worked for them, they would cut
our hands off, cut our feet off. I'll cut your
whole family's hands and feet off, cut their ears off
if they didn't work hard enough. Just think if you

(02:27:17):
go out and work all day long, twelve fifteen hours
a day, and come back and they say, well, you
suppose about two hundred pounds of gold to us, or
two hundred pounds of rubber or whatever, and you don't
bring but one hundred pounds, one hundred and fifty pounds.
That boy was cutting your ears off, you cutting your

(02:27:38):
hands off, cutting your feet off, or cutting your whole
families hands and feet off. You can go on internet
and look up Leo for in the car go and
see thousands of kids with their hands and feet cut off.
And this is what the attitude that they have done
to us around the world. So now a few when

(02:27:59):
we fought in that gold in Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Mississippi, and Alabama, Georgia,
the Caribbean is everywhere. Uh, the same thing was happening.
So we were able to push him back a little
bit in the sixties, but down they're coming back even
strong and more killers and murderers. Because you can see
genocide in the Congo right now. You can see genocide

(02:28:22):
in in Uh in many places in the world. And
that place that we used to be proud of, Uh,
they're bombing it now and just bombing in our existence.
So some young men in Kina, Foxa, Niger and Mali
and my and my maleid especially that's a place where

(02:28:44):
all that gold was.

Speaker 6 (02:28:45):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (02:28:45):
The richest man ever lived in the world was and
was Marsa Musa or they had because the whole country
had gold, and that they would give gold away. And
they bobbed them to Mali and killed them. And and
now the people in Mali had been suffering a long
long time. And so the reisly Uh Marlee died you

(02:29:09):
and became a Fasso. They united and they ran the
French out. They ran the United States out, and ran
all these big companies out. And now you got a
country that got from young presidents and they got an
armist Uh and they have a matter of fact, Mali
had a president named Odibo Keta Uh and in the

(02:29:31):
sixties he was just like the young president you got
in Mali now, trying to unite Africa. And he came
back home and the French they assassinated and killed him.
And then they put in power who they wanted in
where they could continue to take the gold and diamonds
out and send it to Europe. And then in In
became a fosso they had a president named Thomas Chicagi

(02:29:56):
and Thomas Kai was a firing president young man, and
he had taken the richness and began to build houses
in school and put your children in school, and do
for the children, and let him drink a clean drop
of water trying to get toilets forum, but they never
had trying to give him some medical care which had
never had to watch him die if they didn't have it.

(02:30:17):
And that he began to try to help his people,
and the prince paid the Uncle Tom, his best friend,
paid him and encouraged him to help him. And one
day he was having a meeting his uncle Tom friends
showed up and started shooting and killed about twelve of
his cabinet members and killed Thomas Sakari. And I was

(02:30:38):
a matter of fact, when I was there, I was
at a big beautiful statue of Thomas ICII and holding
the black power fits up and that. But he was murdered.
But they went out throughout Africa murdering leaders, murdering like
kwamikooman little moon in the Congo, and all the people
that murdered in South Africa, and they continued to do

(02:31:02):
it like the murdered Martin Luther King and Malcolm X
and Mayorgar Evans and the lists go on and on
into thousands and millions that they have killed and murdered.
So but Kina Passo, Uh, they got a president's i'm
uh and and pre president of the United and they
got a country that they're now trying to use the

(02:31:23):
natural resauce and be a cold factory and indust fish
and give the people uh likes water housing, put all
the children back in school, build schools for the children,
and those kinds of things. But uh, the United States
and France they've tried to kill him over twenty times.
And Russias in a one hundred thousand troops just to

(02:31:46):
protect them and gave them all kinds of drolls and
tanks and Ak party seven weapons and all that. And
I was able to be there to witness that. And
it's a beautiful thing. The country's very very be a
large country and it's got a lot of people in it,
and that they're looking good and that they're giving the

(02:32:06):
people houses. Uh letting people come back over there and
get houses very cheap. And the people over there, when
you get house, you're not in debt. You get a
house with even the people that build houses, they make
sure it's paid for the day you move, the day
you finished building it. It's your house and you have
no debt to pay. And they want to give people

(02:32:26):
free life, free gas, free water, and medicine and Cuba
and uh, other nations like Venezuela, they went there, they
helped them too, and they helpen to be a medical
centers and build hospitals just the community and these things
are free.

Speaker 1 (02:32:45):
And that right there, Willie thought, right there, we got
to step aside a few ons and we come back here.
The revolutionary fights that you've been in across the country,
across the world, but state side, let's rull it back
to the sixties. Was there an effort to be more
on the revolutionary side, more aggressive side? And if so,
was it doctor King's influence while you guys never really

(02:33:08):
took it to that level. I'll let you respond to
that when we get back. And we got some folks
got questions for you as well. Eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. We got an icon
with us this morning. His name is Willy Mocassa Wicks.
I mentioned in mantre, doctor King Stokey Carmichael, Kwame Terray,
Marrying Barry, all the members of Snake. He was there,
the snakest guy who coined the phrase black power. You

(02:33:29):
want to speak to him eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone
calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with
us on this Thursday morning. We have a living legend
with us this morning. His name is Willy Ricks. As
I mentioned, most of the folks were in Snake back
in the sixties. They've moved on, but now Willy is
still with us and he's here to tell the story.
And my question to her before before I left to break,

(02:33:51):
my question to him was the fact it was all
of those revolutionary ties he talked about. It was involved
on the African continent. Yes, so they faced the same
thing that our well, our people facing the sixties. But
in the sixties we didn't respond aggressively or militarily to
the to what we were facing. I guess my base
of my question was that because of doctor King's influence.

Speaker 14 (02:34:14):
Uh, No matter of fact, H Trav Brown snick Uh
we snick created the Black Panther Party. We had to
pick up guns in Alabama to protect ourselves. You remember
they killed Mega heavy three civilized workers by Juluzo Uh
and you could name does the people that they killed,

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burnt down churches, burnt down schools, And we were under
attack and Doctor King's life was threatened from the men
in each start uh speaking up and that it was
a snick that kept calling it out. We called we
joined in with South Africa, we went against the war
in Vietnam, and we called out what the United States

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was doing around the world. It was Malcolm X that said,
you can't understand what they're doing in Washington, d c.
To our people, or what they're doing in Mississippi or Alabama,
Georgia unless you understand what they're doing in Africa and
the caribbe is in Vietnam and other places around the world.
So you have to have a world view. And when

(02:35:18):
you have a world view, you will see a system
called imperialism, which is militaryism, and they're killing and exterminating
people around the world, and that Snick kept educating King.
It was Snick that spoke out against the war in Vietnam.
It was Snick that organized the Black Panther Party. It
was Snick that had leaders like Stoke to Cormack or

(02:35:39):
h Trap Brown, Jim Forman that was speaking out and pushing.
It was Snick that educated doctor King to what was
happening and began to pour doctor King away from what
Malcolm X called the Big Six that kept him on
a weak position and not telling the truth. And it
was Snick that people when they started burning down Detroit

(02:36:02):
in these cities, it was Snick and curaged them to
burn them to fight and even join them in the fight.
And that doctor Kean first held back on it. But
it was doctor Keene now become a Snick educated doctor Keny.
We educated by actions. One time, we had the whole
United States on fire because they were fighting, because they

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were oppressed, and they were being killed and murdered and
home starving and tired of their oppression. And there was
Snick that was on the front line with that, and
they had That's why they jailed Rach Trapp Brown, That's
why they went in Soaker and many other of our
leaders But when doctor King began to call them out
and call America the greatest terrorists in the world, the

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greatest comportrade of violence in the world. America starving people
to death, sending people to bed home gard right here
in the United States, putting people under the bridges, now
filling the jails and prisons with our children. They got
the military in our communities and our beating our people
and doing whatever they want to do, committing terrorism. And

(02:37:07):
that's what they do. And when doctor King came to
reality it and got an understanding of it, he began
to call it out and tell the truth. And that's
when the FBI and the CIA said, we got to
kill Martin Luther King because he would sound like a
Malcolm X Marcus Garvin. And these men are truth tellers,

(02:37:28):
and they're exposing the United States. They're exposing the Democratic Party,
they're exposed in the Republican Board, they're exposing the United
States government. And they said, we got to kill him.
And that's why they murdered Martin Luther King. I hate
let's win him. That morning they killed him when he
was going back on his way back to Memphis. At
I sit down in the restaurroom we hate, and he

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asked me to go win him by an assignment. And
in Memphis. When he got to Memphis, the young black
people a group called the Invaders and the most mobilized
by Black Power movement, and they were marching and they
were throwing bricks. But the United States Government and the
Army and the Army intelligence they got in the march

(02:38:10):
and and had and began to agitate and throw bricks
and and and encourage the police to attack. It was
the United States Government, the Army, the Navy, and all
of them was uh In meffit to kill Martin Luther King.
So the United States Government they plotted to kill Martin

(02:38:30):
Luther King, and they shot him in the mouth. And
by the month a little bit of more month before
they killed I told him, Martin, they out to get you.
And now I could see it because they had killed
so many people. They were just going to our houses
shooting us down and kicking our dose down and going
in shooting us just like they did Fred Hampton uh
Mark Clark in Chicago. But they was doing it around

(02:38:52):
the country, and we began to call it out. And
when we called it out, we were targets. And that
we spoke out against the war in Vietnam and began
to use the word imperialism and colonialism and say, these
people go into places dropping bombs on people. If you
got natural resources, dropping bombs on you and killing tiars

(02:39:13):
the thousand people to get your natural resources. And this
is what they did in the Congo, this is what
they did in Vietnam. This is what they're doing around
the world. So we began to call it out. We
spoke out against the war in Vietnam. Matter of fact,
on March sixth. On January sixth, nineteen six six, we

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spoke out against the war in Vietnam. We opposed to war,
and they went at Julian Bond, who was an officer
in the legislative. They kicked him out, and you spoke
out against the war in Vietnam, put them off the legislature,
and they began to attack us and put Snick Pep
in prison for picking against the war in Vietnam. And

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when we spoke out against the war in Vietnam, we
asked doctor Kam to speak out against it, and he
later was forced to speak out because tens of thousands
of people black people, brown people, red, pretty Yellow people
was out in the streets, five millions of people opposing
the war in Vietnam, saying what they were doing in
Vietnam was disgraceful and wrong, and we was against the war.

(02:40:19):
And when Doctor King on March April fourth, nineteen six
or seven, spoke out against the war in Vietnam, and
when he spoke out against the war in Vietnam, he
spoke out wild post the war in Vietnam. And when
he made that speech that was written by Vincent Hardy,

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but he made a speech and condemned America and called
America the greatest terrorists and the greatest perpetrator of violence
in the world. You're dropping bombs all over the world.
And he recognized that when we had told him about Palestine,
how they killed went to Palestine. The Zionists went to Palestine,
killed the Palestinian people and claimed that land. And today

(02:41:02):
we see forty years, sixty years, seventy years later, they
still killing the Palestinians. And just recently they killed on
over one hundred thousand Palestinians, probably fifty thousand men, women
and babies, women and children and babies. And this is
what they're doing. And all those bombs coming from the
United States, the United States, the Democrat and Republicans, Obama, Clinton,

(02:41:29):
all of them killing the people in Palestani, committed genocide
on the people in Palisan, and all the news media
come it up because all of them are in the
bed with Zionism, Democrats and Republicans and they act like
as normal as okay. And now we see that war
machine going to other places in the world. And they've

(02:41:50):
been bombing Yamen for years and years. By of fact,
they even killed the American citizens when they killed the Lockey,
when they assassinated him. Obama assassinated him and then to
make sure his son was fifteen, didn't say nothing about it.
He was sitting in the cafe eaton and they dropped
bombs on the cafe just to kill the son. And

(02:42:11):
this is what they're doing. And then when you go
to Somalia, they've been dropping bombs on somebody for the
last twenty thirty years. They've been dropping bombs into Sudan.
One of the things Obama did, the last thing he
did when he was president, he dropped bombs on somebody,
tons of bombs on Somalia, on Sudan, killing thousands of people.

(02:42:32):
And then you saw that Clinton buying Obama. They went
to Libya, a rich country for the all. They went
to Libya and killed tens of thousands of people twenty
thirty forty fifty one hundred thighs and they're still dropping
bombs on Libya. And they went from the richest nation
and wanted the richest nations in the world to wonder

(02:42:52):
for his nation in the world. And they dropped so
many bombs on the Libya glo up all the cities
and stuff that they had thousands of black people running
from bomb fire everywhere, running from bomb jumping into the
ocean trying to get away from the American bombs and
stuff like that. And now we see America dropping bombs
throughout Africa, and they dropping bombs in Venezuela as we

(02:43:17):
see right now.

Speaker 1 (02:43:19):
All right, hold on, all right, They got a bunch
of folks want to talk to you, Willy, twenty nine
minutes away for the top of our family. This is
a real treat here because again he's probably the last
of the sixties icons that are still with us, and
he's here to tell the story. Now you can speak
to him at eight hundred and four five zero seventy
eight seventy six, Brother Ross Jomas calling from Buffalo's Online one,

(02:43:39):
Grand Rising, Ross Joma, your question for Willie Race.

Speaker 8 (02:43:43):
Yes, Grand Rising.

Speaker 3 (02:43:44):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (02:43:45):
We had a chance to talk briefly when you were
in Burkina Fasso was sister only Mansa and that group there.
Krole just said that you're one of the ones who
were in the sixties and at the same time you're
watching this renewal of African growth and resistance. Can you
talk about the importance of simultaneously studying what happened in

(02:44:08):
the sixties in America and also what happened in the sixties,
especially in Africa, and how important it is for us
to know what methods were used against all of us
to keep us apart. When Howy Slats came to America,
he was saying how important it is that everybody in
Africa is watching the struggle that African Americans are going through,

(02:44:31):
and that our struggle is one and the same. Can
you talk about that in the twenty first century and
how important that is for us to know that right now?

Speaker 12 (02:44:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (02:44:39):
Well, thanks African you made it very clear you said
our struggle is one and the same and that they
put us on slave shifts and scattered us all over
the world and made slaves out of that. We continue
to be in that condition wherever we are in the world,
and that we can never find freedom until we take
Africa back. Africa is your land and a free Africa,

(02:44:59):
free United st socialist Africa. Socialism too got to be
the economic system socialist apple. That means you share all
the rist to give everybody life, gas, water, housing and
all the things that they need with our money. Money
ain't nothing but paper. Do do paper with their enemies
pitch on it. And that we don't need money, we
need we got the natural resource and regional people in

(02:45:19):
the world, and that all our deathinies are tied together Africa.
So the same thing that's happening in Africa, it's happening
to us right here in the United States, right in
the Caribbeans, are in the South Pacific and all over
the world where we are. And that's what we mean
by pan Afaganism is that we build a Pan Africans

(02:45:40):
organization like organizations in Kuma try to build all African
people's revolutionary Party. Well, we began to add the logically
educate our people, get all this white stuff out of
their head, brainwash, stuff crazy and stuff out of their
head that these white folks can put in their heads
in the schools and institutions and created all these dumb
that's called themselves doctors and doctor that all of course

(02:46:03):
they memorize. A few pages of the white Man hit
still come from Sony. The white man told me, and
he called them doctors if they memorized.

Speaker 4 (02:46:11):
But they ain't.

Speaker 14 (02:46:12):
No, they ain't did nothing to bring on confuting and dumbness.
And that we need to freedom fighters who out here
in the streets fighting, organizing and educating our people. And
that what we're saying is that those diamonds and gold
and all the silver and coffin, pearl and cobo, I
mean it's billions or tons of it, mountains of gold,
and we come together as the African people unite worldwide,

(02:46:36):
I mean all of us. Well, can you in deep
Sea or Alabama, or the Congo, or South Africa or
the South pacifica the Caribbeans, wherever you are, we are
one African people. We have one African land that belonged
to us. It's a rich land and we must come together,
build our organization and take that land and that we

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must everyone one of us must now look for organization
and come into those organizations and prepare to fight. We
need to build a worldwide army. But before you can
have an army, you gotta have an organization, and we
gotta work for unity. Matter of fact, when they fought
in in Ukraine or not Ukraine, that other country up

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and they saw the United States getting beat out and
running for their lives, they drop bombs on the country
for twenty something years. But the minute that the people
united and say we are united, the United States start running,
just like they got run out of Vietnam. You saw
the United States running and the Uncle Tom's running behind.

(02:47:43):
And this is what we have to do. If we're
going to free Africa. We all people living in the
United States, living in the Caribbeans. You can't do nothing
here until you work to take back your land. Africa.
These people are here, don't give a damn about you.
The Democrats don't give a damn about you. They're a
bunch of lives and cooked and doing the same things.

(02:48:06):
The Republicans don't give a damn about you. And we
need to get out their damn party. Stop running behind
that because you ain't getting nothing, and they ain't gonna
do nothing for you. They're they're cooks and gangsters, and
that all of them ain't nothing but murder us. And
the Democrats murdered Martin, Luther Katon and and Malcolm, and
that we need to realize that they kill us, and

(02:48:27):
they're doing it all over the world, and so high
fighters for Africa. We call it pan Africanism, the total
liberation and unification of Africa under the All African scientific
Socialist government. And otherwise we say in revolution, we got
to run them off our land. The only way you
got them out of Vietnam they picked up guns and

(02:48:49):
they ran them out. The only way you got them
out of Cuba, they picked up guns and they ran
them out. The only way we're gonna get them off
our land continent of Africa. We got to organized you night,
pick up our weapons and run them out. And that
we need to stop playing with you ninast sake. It
ain't no one man, It ain't Trump. Trump is a
double back the rest of them, but all of them

(02:49:11):
the same, all of them working for imperialism, all of
them working for colonialism, neo colonialism, all of them quitting
these Uncle Tom, that kill and murder our people for
this system, and we need to.

Speaker 1 (02:49:27):
Take yeah, old shell break. Really twenty three minutes away
from the top. Our family gonna take a final break.
I guess is Willie Rix, and he's on fire as
usual icon from the sixties I mentioned in March. With
many of our civil rights illumerats, he's about the last
one that is left. So please pay attention to what
he's saying. You want to speak to him eight hundred

(02:49:47):
four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
the phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks to
staying with us on this Thursday morning. I guess there
is Willie Rix. WILLI is one of the original civil
rights fighters back in the sixties still with us. Most
of those are gone, so please listen carefully what he's
asked to share with us this morning. Before we go
back to me, let me just remind you tomorrow morning
it's going to be an open phone Friday. It's the

(02:50:09):
name of the program. We'll give you a chance to
free your mind and all that means is to think
for yourself, you know, leave the talking points behind and
just join us. And when we hear from you, there's
something going on in your community you want to share
with us, reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seven six We again promptly
at six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on
ten ten WLB. Also at the DMV on fourteen fifty WL.

(02:50:30):
Don't waited the last minute. A lot of folks wad
to the last minute, and we never get a chance
to hear from them. All right, if you can shut
up on the answers, I appreciate you got some folks
want to talk to you. Craig's calling from the district
is online. Two has a question for you, Grand Rising Craig,
you around with Willy Rix.

Speaker 16 (02:50:45):
First of all, I want to thank his brother for
still being around to speak truth to power to our
people because we need to hear that's just like this,
like this brother that you have on right now. The
problem that we have right now is no slavery, and
a lot of black people still believe that you know
that white people are going to save us, especially in

(02:51:05):
white liberals and white progressives, white the servants is to
their point, they're out front how racist they are.

Speaker 7 (02:51:11):
Now.

Speaker 16 (02:51:11):
Everything that this brother is saying is accurate. But to me,
the real problem is the metal slavery that we have
in this country right now. Now, this brother, as you
speaking truth to power. You got a lot of black
people right now are married to their white partners, and
I'm quite sure that their white partners is listening to
everything this brother's saying right now and just didn't back

(02:51:32):
laugh because they got their black servants didn't side by
side with them. Until we can break our people out
of this metal slavery that these white people are going
to save us, we're going to still have this problem.
Metal slavery is the best is the problem. Look at
the conquests of the planning of the Apes, when black
people had a chance to liberate themselves, they didn't do it.
So until we break black people out of this metal slavery,

(02:51:54):
I don't see what we're going to do. We have
to break them out and we need that message. So
do what you do, brother, you and I like to
hear your comments. Peace.

Speaker 14 (02:52:04):
Yeah, thank you very much. And I agree that we
have to break out of middle slavery. And but just
middle slavery come to all kinds of people, not just
black people. It's coming from all kind of people. We
have to deal with people. But how they think and
how they view the world, and that tell you who
your friends are. So I'm saying that we need ideology,
and ideology means ideals, and they put these ideas in

(02:52:25):
our heads through these sell phones, through the television, and
through all their other propaganda machine. We don't have control
of our minds and our faults. And all the people
that tried to come to us, like doctor King and
began to tell us the truth of Malcolm Ic, they
tell us the truth, they assassinate them because one thing
that they're afraid of is our people learning the truth

(02:52:47):
and seeing what's happening. That's why God and all of
them taught us that we are Africans, we belong to Africa,
would never be free, and to Africa free. And Marcus,
God also made it them that not only there are
black people who think this way and become slave. We

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call them neo colonists. And they got black armies stretched
out throughout the world, and black people in the army
right here in our schools, in our institutions, getting our
children and putting them in the army. Little girls, that
boy twelve, fifteen, twenty years old, putting them in the
army and ready to put them on the front line.
Regisend them to Bugina Possa, resisend them to Venezuela to

(02:53:33):
kill the people in Venezuela and other people in centers
South of America Caribbean. They're doing that and our children
on the front line. Talking to a little girl the
other day, Gail fourteen, fifteen years old, and I said, yeh,
let me send you to Cuba to go to medical school.
You know, you can go to medical school and coup
I recruit for. You can go to medical school in Cuba.
Don't pay no money. Become a doctor where you can

(02:53:54):
help your people. She said, no, I'm not going in,
and I'm going into the army of the alf Force
or something. I said, why, that's masks, you killing, murdering
them whatever? Follow United States. She said, I'm going now,
I'm fighting for the flag. So they got these Uncle
Tom's at our schools teaching our children. On Howard University's campus,
you see military boys and girls walking around those military suits,

(02:54:16):
and they're ready to kill black people and brown people
and yellow people who have white people to for the
for America and fighting paralysm. So these people exist and
that we have to understand it. And just like we
fought against them it was in Vietnam, now it's we
gotta protect Venezuela, we gotta technical ride, we gotta protect
Cuba and all of that. They're dropping bombs in the

(02:54:37):
country right now. I'm for be going to Venezuela in
the next couple of days and that now I can't
just fly to Veniceuela. I gotta go through Mexico in
order to get to Venezuela because they put them no
flights on that United States put up on the control
band That stuff is United State. Nobody else said I
had oh bandon, I'm going to I went to heft

(02:54:58):
the Beldam. He's fight against you nine st egs hip
and go the Mozambique, Zimbabwe and anyway else. I've been
fighting for Palestine. Some of us still scared to speak
up a post that they committing genocide on the people
in Palastan and the dropping bombs are on eleven nine
and and Yemen and then Somalia and minimize it.

Speaker 1 (02:55:22):
Yeah, because I want to get in a couple more
folks want to talk to you. Got a bunch of us,
all right, Thanks greg eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six thirteen away from On top
of that, Sister Kashiba is calling from Silver Spring and Maryland.
She's online three Grand Rising, Sister Kashiba, A question for
Willie Ricks.

Speaker 20 (02:55:39):
Grand Rising, Curl and your guests wild I have there
haven't been anybody within the last thirty forty years to
encapsulate all the cruelty and the damage to black people
and the world that this man has brought out. Whatever party,

(02:56:01):
whatever party you're organizing, I want to join. I mean,
I'm over eighty years old, but I want to you
part of what you're saying because you're you know, there's nobody,
none of our leaders, so called leaders are talking the
way you talk. You know, it's I mean, it's I mean,

(02:56:22):
my mouth is open. I'm fabergasted. But thank you so much.
Organize whatever you're going to organize. I want to we
old people because we went through the Civil rights movement.
We know how things what needs to be done. We
have to get off our rocking chairs and our sofas,
and we have to bring our children along.

Speaker 4 (02:56:46):
Thank you for all you do.

Speaker 20 (02:56:48):
That's all humans say.

Speaker 14 (02:56:50):
Thank you, and I agree with you, and that there's
the information Organization aap RP. You can google aap RP
A a p r P, and on that website, it's
an organization you can join, but now only there's a
lot of information and history on it. You'll see people
like Marcus Garvin, Malcolm and Quimein Crewman Secreture and people

(02:57:13):
who dead and go on, and you'll see revolutionaries who're
picking up guns weapons and fighting right now. So these
things exist. Google a A p r P and those
of you can google Bakina Fossil, b u r k
I e n A b u r k I n A.
And my name is Mukkassler m u k A s

(02:57:35):
A d A d A. You can google my name.
I was in the organization called s A n c
C and I've also been part of the A A
p r P All African People Revolutionary Party. So we
definitely need information. Anybody that's questions, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (02:57:50):
Got a question for you, because if if somebody just
hung up and I got a tweet question for you,
answer treet question says Willy Rix and William Macossa Ricks.
Why why? What advice do you have for these young
black people who say they have arrived and this is
not their fight. Many not willing to die for freedom
the way you guys did.

Speaker 14 (02:58:08):
Well, they ain't got no choice because the enemies coming
at them and they killing them. They got all our
children in jails and prison, They drugging our children, They
taking our houses. They putting us under these bridges, starving
us to death, making them well, we can't afford to
eat the apples, send us out on the streets or
schools hungry. They got their prison, school, prison, industrial complex,

(02:58:32):
taking children out of school of a certain age, put
them directly into prison and watch them be beat killed,
rape and whatever. So this country's committing these crimes and
it's full of it. And we ain't got no choice
but to fighting, but to get organized. And that that's
what happened in the sixties. We had to go out
and get organized, and we just saw the people that

(02:58:52):
spoke our many of them was killed. I got shot
and and shot in the stomach and the head. Ones
had different times, and that my godmother who tried to
support us. In Natural, Mississippi, a white man came to
the house and drew gas on and burn up and
my mother. In Tennessee, they threading her life and did everything,

(02:59:13):
tried to kill my family members and all that. But
that's good. You're gonna die anyway, so why not die
fighting for the freedom, liberation and unification of your people.
And this is what Fidel Castro. We have to look
to Cuba, look to Venezuela, support the Venezuela against the
United States, create anti war movements. These people ain't nothing

(02:59:33):
but warmongers, and they're dropping bombs all over the world.
They can't find one hundred dollars to help feed a
Hongry person under bred, but they can find hundreds of
billions of dollars to drop bombs in different for Ukraine
and anywhere else in the world. But they can't find
money for food, clothes, education, medicine. They got a debate

(02:59:55):
how to get some money for people to sick and
need help or need medicine, but they have no debate
on making a bomb that cost fifty million dollars one
hundred million dollars and dropping bombs around the world. So
these people are crooked. Our job. You can't look to
the white man, can't look to America, you can't look
to imperialism, to other democrats, other Republicans. We got to

(03:00:16):
take Africa. No matter where you live in the world,
we got to take Africa. Don't say black people in America.
That don't mean nothing. We are Africans and we're all
in the world together and we have a land that's rich,
full of diamonds and go. Everything is there. Our cultures,
that our histories, they are our identities there. Our future

(03:00:36):
is there and we got to take it. And these
people are crooked all that companies and industries that matter,
but rapiers and robs and murdered. They this is how
they survived. This is how they get what they got.
You got to be come together and take back what
you want.

Speaker 5 (03:00:52):
I heard that.

Speaker 14 (03:00:53):
Bomb on the appetizing on that ten of our people.
To get in our arm and to help your family.
You ain't helping your family by going there getting in
the army. You helping your family when you oppose the war,
When you apposed what they're doing in Venezuela, when you
opposed what they're doing in Nicarago, when you oppose what
they're doing in Africa in the Congo and dropping bombs

(03:01:14):
all them country, you a posed. You just helping your
people when you step up for Palestine, tell them to
stop killing the pack people in Palestine. That land belonged
to the Palestine, from the river to the sea. Palestine
must be free and we have to help Palastine. We
see in genocide right now, we see them dropping bombed.
Then now they've got partnered our rand. Then you now say,

(03:01:36):
going back to that pirate stuff, they're just pirate. A
ship in the coming out of Venezuela full of awe.
The pirates jumped on the ship and took it yesterday.
So these people ain't changed that all. We are at war,
and you've been at war for over five hundred years,
and you never win. You're never unless you fighting for Africa.

(03:01:57):
Unless you're fighting for your lands, fighting for your own nation,
then you're nothing but a slave and you'll never get
free until you take back what belonged to you. We
are African people. We're not American. We're not Democrats, we're
not a Republican, We're not none of that. We are African.
These damn Republican. All these other folks don't give nothing

(03:02:18):
about you. They don't care about money. They all work
for the same people, They got the same boss man,
and all of them ain't gonna do nothing but get
in power and drop bombs. And all the time they
criticize each other, is who gonna drop the bombs? Who
gonna steal the money? Brother's gonna be Democrats of Republicans

(03:02:39):
who gonna take other folks laying. But all of them
do the same things. And you got black people who've
been brainwashed by that. Do we call them neo cloning?
Some of them just brainwashed, Uncle Tom. Some of them
got armies, like in Africa, they got arms like in

(03:02:59):
getting it South. They went one election and then the
army come in and kill them and won't let them
have the election. And matter of fact, one of the
generals say that people just want election. The arm and
the other part of the president had people to go
cut his head off and throw it in the river.
This happened last week. And this what they're doing. The
young man went to one country in Africa and they

(03:03:24):
ran the office. Won this cook men in officers nineteen
in the simness. He had to go out there and
put the president in jail who won, and put the
people in jail who want with them, And now they're
in jail and they killed them in jail. So they
got people that they ain't worry about nothing but themselves
and money for themselves. And we got diamonds and go, well,

(03:03:44):
we want money for money. Ain't nothing but paper with
the enemy's picture of the eye. Fighters for Africa. We
need to love having people that love our people and
really want to do something for them and really want
to change the social economic condition. And like my brother said, yes,
our children ain't these schools and they kicking them on
that stuff. They ain't putting no proof in school. They

(03:04:05):
don't put no history in school. They ain't putting nothing
in there about Africa and letting you hear people like
Malcolm X and Marcus Garvia, Siku too, Reil Kwame and Kuma.
They ain't let you hear nothing about Gone Mally Sung Hayes,
Zimbabwe and all the great kingdoms we build in Africa.
They don't want you to know about Egypt and Kimmi

(03:04:25):
and our set and the great Pyramids and all the
things that we did, and how these crazy foods and
went to all the great kingdoms in the world and
burnt them down, tore them down, killed all the people
around it. And now you see them Arabs standing up
in Egypt trying to teach you about pyramids, Sonday. They
don't know nothing about you, be able to peer up
this thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago and

(03:04:47):
be of great civilization. And now these bombs coming out
the caves going there killing you, committing genocide, or you're
now standing in our great kingdoms and institutions to teach
us the lie and don't want us to know the
real truth about ourselves, the truth about African people and
how great we'll be it, and how great you are,

(03:05:08):
and how great you're gonna be. The more you learn
about Africa, the more you learn about your culture, the
more you join organization and work for the liberation to
your people, the stronger you be.

Speaker 1 (03:05:18):
All right, hold that thought right there, William maccassa dot
I Ricks And that's it for the day. Thank you
for what you do. Thank you what you did back
in the sixties, what you continue to do. And we'll
talk later because I got to get your son on
to share his thoughts as well. Thank you, Willy Ricks.
I found that Forday, that was some real talk. Classes dismissed.

(03:05:40):
Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you
tomorrow morning, six o'clock.

Speaker 3 (03:05:44):
Right here.

Speaker 1 (03:05:44):
In Baltimore on ten ten WLB. Also the DMV I'm
fourteen fifteen WL

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