October 7, 2025 • 33 mins
North Carolina’s elections director is seeking access to full Social Security number data from the DMV to improve voter record accuracy and resolve ongoing registration discrepancies. In response to recent violent crimes, Congressman Tim Moore has introduced a bill aimed at holding judges accountable when they release dangerous offenders who reoffend. Meanwhile, questions persist about delays at the VinFast manufacturing plant site as demolition of a historic church on the property continues to draw attention.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
It's five oh six and welcome into a Tuesday edition
of the Carolina Journal News our Newstock eleven, ten ninety
nine three WBT. I'm Nick Craig. A good morning to you.
We are tracking some news this morning out of the
North Carolina State Board of Elections, as the executive director
there is asking the head of the Division of Motor
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Vehicle DMV for Social Security numbers of DMV customers who
are also registered voters in the state of North Carolina.
The request was made about a week ago and it
is designed to help state election officials quote maintain the
most accurate voter roles possible. Election Director Sam Hayes sent
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a two page letter back on September the twenty ninth
to DMV Commissioner Paul Tyne. Tyme as of publication over
at Carolina Journal dot com had not responded to the
letter that was as of Monday afternoon, according to election officials.
So the letter reads, in part, the State Board of
Elections appreciates the ongoing partnership with the North Carolina Division
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of Motor Vehicles to register eligible North Carolinians to vote
in person at NCDMV offices and electronically through the online service.
This partnership makes registrations to makes registering to vote easy
and efficient, and helps us ensure that our state's voters
have access to the ballot box. Many individuals, when either
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moving to North Carolina or wanting to vote in North Carolina,
do that through the North Carolina Department and Division of
Motor Vehicle. Many folks, when they get their license register
to vote check the box at a DMV office, so
it does a large way in which folks register in
the state. Has continued in the letter to say I
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write today to request that NCDMV provide certain data to
the state Board to help us maintain the most accurate
voter roles possible for the citizens of this state. Specifically,
I ask that NCDMV engage in a more robust data
sharing and matching program with election officials, to include providing
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full social Security numbers for registered voters who are also
NCDMV customers. Hayes justified this by saying having these numbers
would help maintain accurate voter roles because election officials would
be able to match these numbers against data in other
government databases to ensure proper removal of voters due to
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death and felony convictions. It would also allow us to
better identify when an individual has a duplicate registration or
more than one registration on the roles. Finally, having full
social Security numbers would allow us to identify non US
citizens who may be unlawfully registered to vote. The justification also,
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according to Hayes, says, as you know, Russ Ferguson, the
US United States Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina,
shared concern and evidence that NCDMV examiners had mistakenly processed
voter registrations for non citizens as recently as twenty twenty four.
As the state's chief election official, I share these concerns
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and ask that your agency provide the data necessary to
ensure that our voter roles are free of non US
citizens and remain as accurate and up to date as possible.
Russ Ferguson contacted Paul Tyne as early as July the
tenth of this year to share concerns about DMV's voter
registration process, noting that the Department of Homeland Security had
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informed the Western District of North Carolina Attorney's office of
a common theme of the noise North Carolina DMV seemingly
automatically registering illegal aliens to vote. That's in the letter
from the US attorney to the DMV commissioner in Paul Tyne.
A DMV investigation quote did not reveal any systematic issues
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with our process, Tyne wrote to Ferguson back on August
the twenty eighth. However, the commissioner highlighted two instances where
errors occurred due to examine or oversight. Tyne's letter offered
specific information about five people that Ferguson cited in an
earlier exchange. Ferguson responded on September the twenty fifth that
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he planned to share the information with the state's other
US attorneys since there seems to be a statewide problem
simply not just limited to the western district of North Carolina.
Attorney Ferguson wrote, although your letter claims your investigation did
not reveal any systematic issues, you found issues with all
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five voters in the limited sample that I identified. You
say two of those issues would due to examiner oversight,
but it appears that all five issues could have been
avoided by examiner attention. Furthermore, you propose solution A proposed
solution is to alert the state Board of Elections after
the fact when by happenstance, someone outside of the DMV
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identifies a problem. While alerting the Board of Elections when
the DMV comes to know of an individual that is
illegally registered to vote is certainly an improvement. I believe
the goal here should be a process changed to avoid
these illegal acts in the first place. Board of Elections
Director Sam Hayes a reference section three h three of
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the Help America Vote Act. You've heard a lot about
this over the last couple of months. JAVA. In the
September the twenty ninth letter to Paul Tyne have A
require state officials responsible for elections and motor vehicle agencies
to enter into a data sharing agreement to the extent
required to verify the accuracy of information provided on applications
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for voter registrations. Election of Election staff pledged to work
with DMV staff to ensure that any transfer of data
can be accomplished securely and in full compliance with state
and federal law, according to Hayes. He continued in the
letter by saying, quote, we commit to maintaining this data
securely in our election management system as we have with
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other sensitive voter data continuously for decades. Hayes added, I
believe we all can agree that voting accessibility and voting
integrity are equally important as we work towards the most accessible,
fare and accurate elections for North Carolina's seven point six
million registered voters. With full social security numbers of registered voters,
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we can all be sure that non US citizen registered
to vote can be identified and removed from the voter list.
In addition to the additional benefits described above, State and
federal legal action dating back to the summer of twenty
twenty four has focused on the accuracy of North Carolina's
State Board of Elections voter roles. The Republican National Committee
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and the North Carolina Republican Party back just a little
over a year ago, challenged the former Democrat majority's election
board handling of voter registration information. At the time, the
GOP complaint challenged some two hundred and twenty five thousand
voter registrations linked to a form that did not require
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prospective voters to provide either a a driver's license number
or the last four digits of a social Security number.
Republican groups asked for the affected voters to be dropped
from the voting roles or be required to cast provisional
ballots in last November's twenty twenty four general election. However,
due to the close nature of the legal challenge, courts
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refused to force the election board to take that step
so close to the election. Republican State Supreme Court candidate
Jefferson Griffin later raised the same issue in ballot challenges
after the election. In November, as he trailed Democrat Alison
Riggs by just seven hundred and thirty four votes statewide,
Griffin challenged more than sixty five thousand votes cast in
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the contest. More than sixty thousand of those ballots involved
voters whose registration records appeared to lack required have a information.
The state Supreme Court ultimately decided that those voters would
count in the final election. Tallly and Griffin conceded the
election after a federal judge declined to support a cure
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process that would have affected ballots Griffin challenged for other reasons.
Then flash forward to May of this year. That's when
the United States Department of Justice filed the lawsuit challenging
the election Board's voter registration roles A federal judge signed
off on a settlement of that lawsuit in September, but
the Democratic National Committee and a group working with Democrat
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operative of Mark Elias's law firm challenged the settlement. Justice
Department lawyers have asked for the dispute to remain on
hold until after the federal government shutdown ends. Carolina Journal's
Carolina Journal placed a call on Monday afternoon to the
State Department of Transportation media line and ended up being
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transferred to a full voicemail box, so it was did
not have the opportunity to chat with anybody at the
Department of Transportation or the Division of Motor Vehicle. However,
this is a lengthy request being made by the executive
director of the State Board of Election in Sam Hayes,
is justification again making sure that individuals who are not
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legal US citizens do not accidentally get registered to V
when filling out an NCDMV application and to work through
duplicate or other duplicate registration issues that exist within the
State Board of Elections database. You can read some additional
details on this story by visiting our website this morning,
Carolina Journal dot com. That story's headline NC Election director
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seeks full Social Security number data from DMV. Again those
details at Carolina Journal dot com. It's five twenty three.
Welcome back to the Carolina Journal News our news stock
eleven ten ninety nine to three WBT. In response to
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last weeks hearing in Charlotte, That's when the United States
House of Representatives Judiciary Committee held a field hearing on
a violent crime in communities in Charlotte, Representative Tim Moore,
who represents the fourteenth Congressional district here in North Carolina,
introduced the Just the Judicial Accountability for Public Safety Act.
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This legislation would hold judges civilly liable for releasing violent criminals.
This legislation was introduced just seven days after the North
Carolina General Assembly passed Arena's Law and sent it to
the desk of Governor Josh Stein, who signed it into
law back on Friday, October third, Moore said in oppressor
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release quote, when judges let dangerous repeat offenders walk free
despite knowing the risks, and someone gets hurt or killed,
there has to be accountability. We've seen too many cases
like the killing of Irena Zaruska and Logan Federico, that
were completely preventable if the murderers had been behind bars
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at where they belonged. The judicial system in Democrat runs
cities that favor criminals over victims are failing innocent Americans.
This legislation is the first step to making sure judges
do their jobs and put public say first. During that
field hearing that took place in Charlotte, this is what
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Congressman Moore had to say about the situation.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
The criticism has not been with the district attorney. It's
been more with the with the magistrates and the judges
given and just letting these criminals come in and go
right out the door. And Officer Campbell, you just testify
there are times when you're still doing the paperwork and
the criminal is walking back out on the street. Is
that correct?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That would be correct?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And just curious. I mean is that like, is that
more often than not? Or is that just kind of
a rare thing.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
No, it happens quite frequently.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I mean that should not be That should shock everyone,
and that should make the drive the point home that
this is not about money or programs or whatever else.
And some of these feel good programs that get kicked
around out there to try to divert people from jail.
There are people who are dangerous and they need to
be incarcerated. And I'll tell you the other problem that
we have, and that is the lawsuit a couple decades ago.
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I think the acl you filed at wanting to get
folks at deinstitutionalized folks with serious mental issues. Well, guess
what you have now you have people out on the streets.
Your homeless problem has gone through the roof. You know,
you can't go anywhere without seeing homeless in camps, even
in my small town of King's Mountain where this is happening.
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It's happening all over the country. And it's because of
these leftist policies of trying to get people deinstitutionalized who
have mental issues. And guess some people need to be
in the community, But guess what, there are dangerous people
who should not have been in the community. And I
point to the situation with Arena Zarutska. Not only should
this guy have not been out on bond from previous things,
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but why didn't somebody involuntarily commit this guy? Right, I
mean this guy, you know, whatever you want to say,
this guy should not have been on the streets. And
these policies have to change. But guess what, it's a
question of what's happened when it comes to judicial officials
around because you don't hear this as much and some
of the other counts. I mean, you've got a data
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pool that you can look at.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
That's Congressman Tim Moore back at the United States House
Judiciary Committee field hearing in Charlotte. This legislation lays the
groundwork for lawsuits by victims and their families when a
bond or sentencing decision is made with quote, gross negligence
or intentional disregard for public safety. According to the press release,
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it allows injured parties to seek justice through the court
system in the in these limited but serious cases. The
bill also prevents, also preserves protection for judges who act
within the scope of ordinary judicial discretion and in good faith.
As we continue with the coverage of that, the law reads,
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any person who establishes by clear or convincing evidence that
such person was injured by any action taken with intentional
disregard for public safety or with gross negligence by a
judicial official in a bond determination or sentencing hearing, may
obtain in a civil action such relief as the court
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may determine appropriate, which may include punitive damages. This bill
according to the According to Jeanette Dorn, who is a
constitutional study counselor for the John Locke Foundation, she says, quote,
this bill is a small but significant departure from the
norms of the judicial community. Although this bill would remove
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judicial immunity in limited circumstances, it could open the door
to broader removal of immunity. Lawmakers and citizens should be
careful about starting to punish judges for their decisions, even
bad ones. We want judges to rule based on the law,
not out of the concern for themselves or fear of
getting sued by even disgruntled parties. Of course, Moore's bill
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doesn't go that far, but we need to think about
how we removing some judicial immunity today a could end
up extending to removal of more or even all immunity
in the future. So split on what folks think about
this legislation. We've got a full copy of this bill
introduced by Congressman Tim Moore, former Speaker of the North
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Carolina House, over at our website This Morning Carolina Journal
dot Com that stories headline more. Bill targets judges who
release dangerous offenders again. You can read those details at
Carolina Journal dot com. It's five thirty six. Welcome back
to the Carolina Journal news Our news Stock eleven ten
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ninety nine three WBT. Don't forget if you miss any
of our live show here weekday mornings five to six,
you can check out the Carolina Journal News Hour podcast
and your favorite podcast apps. You can also watch the
show live and on demand by visiting our Carolina Journal
YouTube channel as well. We cover a lot of business
announcements over on our website, Carolina Journal dot com, and
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then of course bring them to you here on the
Carolina Journal News Hour, many of them large projects many
years away. But unfortunately sometimes these projects, while in the
announcements are great, the projects do not necessarily make their
way into full completion. To walk us through some details
this morning on a company that has been in the
talks for a couple of years here in North Carolina,
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Teresopeka from Carolina Journal dot com joins us to talk
about VinFast. They are a Vietnamese electric vehicle maker. To
reese the announcement back a couple of years ago in
North Carolina, what's uck currently going on on their site
plan development? Site over in Chatham County.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Good morning, Nick, thanks for having me. Well, not a
heck of a lot this, as I have in the article.
You can hear those proverbial crickets chirping right now. There's
just been no activity from a year ago we had.
The latest update was that they were gonna push push
the plant opening to twenty twenty eight. And this plant
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was supposed to be up and running now for at
least over a good year or so, you know, bring
all these jobs and it's the plant is a four
billion dollar ev manufacturing plant. It was going to be
called the crown jewel of Vinfest. Well the jewels got
a little bit of tarnish on it, and it keeps
growing as the years go by. So we wanted to
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do an update because we're seeing a few new articles
popping up here and there about the status of the company,
where they're going, and it just seems like their main
focus has shifted away from the US. They were also
looking at Europe as well, and how that bodes for
North Carolina. And this would have made the first auto
manufacturer in the state if it comes to fruition. I
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also saw some other reports other places that Hyundai was
also thinking about relocating or locating a plant here, but
in terms of being the first plant, this was supposed
to be, you know, the big, big news. In twenty
twenty three. We had former Governor Roy Cooper there at
the ground breaking with the officials from vin Fast. It
was just conda be this wonderful thing that happened. But
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unfortunately we're not hearing a lot. Hearing the same things
from like last year from the company and also from
Chatham County where this is being located monk Cure Triangle
Innovation Point, which has got some land cleared, and basically
it's the same story. Not much of anything's happening, but
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there are some things we will go into that are happening,
and it's just not for the better.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, Teresa. Obviously, when we talk about business announcements,
the business market is always volatile, regardless of whether the
economy is good or bad. But predominantly when we're talking
about vin Fast, we're talking about electric vehicles, which have
seen a huge surgeon demand over the last couple of years,
then a rapid decline in just the last twelve to
twenty four months. That industry and that entire sector is
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shifting dramatically, even some domestic car makers for GM and
others announcing they're pulling back on their amount of ev expansion.
I would imagine some of that demand issue is causing
problems for the Vietnamese automaker.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I would imagine, so yes. And we're also looking at
the expiration of the seventy five hundred dollars federal tax
credit for electric vehicles that's going away on October first.
And also we've got some uncertainty of course surrounding tariffs
that's going to compound the company's challenges they have faced
so far in the United States. So you tie that
all together, it doesn't paint a really good picture for
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this company.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Now you mentioned that they have maybe looked at some
other emerging markets after making that US announcement, after announcing
some of the plans to build that facility here in US.
It looks like while the company may not be necessarily
moving on the plant in Chatham County, they are expanding
in the Asia market.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Correct, That is correct, yep, So there they started that
expansion last year. They're in the Indonesia, India, the Philippines.
They're breaking ground on a couple different factories over there,
so and also expanding in their own home country and Vietnam,
so they are still making it looks to be some progress,
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but yeah, nothing much here. There are three dealerships I
will mention in North Carolina Apex, High Point and Charlotte
does have some vin Fast dealerships, and for about seven
other states across the country. But that's all the US
involvement this company has at this point.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So you'd highlighted in your article a couple of other
articles from places like Bloomberg and The Motley Fool. They
are looking at this company's overall financial picture, and Teresa,
they're asking I think I would argue some pretty important questions.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Right right, So, you know, basically inside evs dot com
they said vinfat this is their quote. VinFast certainly tried,
but it's become clear that it's not really working according
to the plan for the US. The cars the brand
sells don't seem to be up to snuff for European
and American markets, and while losses have continued to mount.
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You know, basically, the owner of VinFast has put up
two billion dollars of his own money to fund the
company and they lost three point two billion last year.
So another report had Bloomberg saying that vin Fast is
spending a dollar fifty seven for every dollar of profit. Again,
that's that three point two billion dollar loss, and Motley
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Fool basically is calling the company a money pit, echoing
Inside EV's article. They're also questioning whether vin Fast would
shut its doors and become the next Fisker. That was
a a company with two failed American EV companies, like
the head of that. So you combine all of that
with all the news in the previous news they had
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before they had initial bad reviews of their product, and
it just seems like, you know, there are some highs
with this company, but there are definitely a lot of lows.
And again we're still waiting to hear a lot more
on are they coming, are they still going to be
coming in North Carolina? What is the situation with that.
It's like we're still in a holding pattern. So it's
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it's a question that actually needs to be asked because
there's been so much money promised with this company. We
had the JD Grant's money from Chatham County, which of
course they don't get unless they do produce the jobs.
But we do have the state which also pooning up
money to you know, clean up the site. They spend
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another four hundred and fifty million on infrastructure around the site.
As we said, they're not going to get that back.
That money is already spent. It's going to be spent.
So it's it's a costly project to undertake if we're
not sure what's going to happen in the end.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, I'm glad you bring up the Jay did grants, Teresa.
Over the last couple of months, you've had a couple
of different stories looking at jaydig grants and unfortunately, if
you're playing this straight on the track record, many of
these projects that get announced do not come to their
full fruition. They are not getting necessarily that money. But
on the other side, you're noting that the state, regardless
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of whether they're hitting these thresholds for the j DIG,
the state is investing one hundreds of millions of dollars
for roads and infrastructures. That money is gone and you
could potentially be running infrastructure to an empty facility if
nothing ends up being built.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That's right, that's right. I mean, we you know, we
mentioned the Jay Diggs track record. I think we had
a story Curse of the Jay dig a while back,
you know, as a headline, and it doesn't seem like
anything they shouldn't say anything. Not much comes to fruition,
and when it comes to these grants, I mean, North
Carolina is ranked number one in business. It's got obviously
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a lot going for it. You know, if going to
be zero zeroing out the core or tax tax rate
in the next couple of years, you know, lowering the
state income tax. So I get it when you want
to give incentives to companies, but it seems like the
way they're doing it with these j D grants is
definitely not working. And you mentioned roads one of the
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sad things about this story, and again human interest stuff
always touches me. We were talking about like how they're
going to have to use eminent domain to put new
roadways in to connect to this plant, and of various
other things. There's going to be a lot of homes
and businesses demolished, and a historic church. Unfortunately, that church,
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Mary Oak's Baptist Church, met the wrecking ball in June.
We do have some pictures and mention this in the article.
That church was standing there for a good over one
hundred and thirty years since eighteen eighty eight, and it
met with a wrecking ball in June. You know it
just it really saddens me when things like this happen.
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And maybe in the end, again this is speculation. Is
this project going to happen? Did that have to happen?
With that church, people's homes, people's businesses. I guess the
old proverbial time will tell is what we're going to
have to watch out for.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, and again Shadam County officials and folks from VinFast,
the company themselves both the emailing Carolina Journal this week
saying that yes, the project is still on, the plan
has still happen, is on schedule to begin construction and
have some of that done in operational by twenty twenty eight.
But Teresa, obviously, looking at the track record here and
some of the financial information in your quote, I think
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many would be probably hard pressed to believe the folks
from VinFast, at least as of right now. But we
will continue to wait. You've got a lot more details,
links to the historic church, the Mary Oaks Baptist Church,
and some of those other articles you reference this morning.
Where can folks go and read those details?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Sure they can head on over to Carolina Journal dot com.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It's a great update this morning. We appreciate the time.
Teres Opeka joins us on the Carolina Journal News Hour.
Good morning again, It's five point fifty two. Welcome back
to the Carolina Journal News Hour, Newstock eleven, ten ninety
nine to three. WBT Continuing to track a pretty significant
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back and forth exchange between the North Carolina State Board
of Elections and DMV. The director of the state Board,
Executive Director there Sam Hayes, has officially asked the Division
of Motor Vehicles to share full social Security numbers of
DMV customers who are also registered to vote. This is
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being asked to help maintain accurate voter rolls in in September.
The twenty ninth letter to DMV Commissioner Paul Tyne. Hayes
said that the data would help election officials verify voter eligibility,
identify duplicate registrations removed, deceased or or felon voters who
are convicted felons who lose those rights, and detect non
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US citizens mistakenly registered to vote in North Carolina. The
request follows concerns raised by US Attorney Russ Ferguson, who
sent a letter to the DMV in July of twenty
twenty four that federal officials found that the DMV had
inadvertently registered non citizens. Tyne's subsequent request found two examiner errors,
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but denied any systematic problems. However, US attorney Russ Ferguson
disagreed with that assessment, saying that all five reviewed cases
showed preventable issues and called on the process to have
some reforms or changes to make sure that that is
not a that does not continue to happen in the future.
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Election Director Sam Hayes cited the federal Help America Vote
Act or have UP, which requires cooperation between election and
motor vehicle agencies to verify voter information. He assured that
any data that would be shared with the State Board
of Elections would be securely handled under state and federal law,
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as the State Board of Elections is already responsible for
holding on to either full driver's license numbers or the
last four digits of social security numbers in a secured
manner within their voter registration database, so from a pure
security perspective, no real concerns there. This issue comes amid
ongoing legal and political battles over North Carolina's voter registration system.
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Back last year, both the state Republican Party and the
RNC sued the State of North Carolina over issues with
some two hundred and twenty five thousand voters. Earlier this year,
in May, the United States Department of Justice filed a
lawsuit against the state as well, challenging the accuracy of
voter roles and handling of registrations lacking those ideas required
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under the early two thousand Help America Vote Act. Although
courts have largely sided with election officials, disputes continue over
ensuring both a voting access and election integrity is in
place ahead of future elections, and with that ongoing legal
challenge from the United States Department of Justice, a federal
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judge has agreed that no further action in that case
will take place as the United States Justice Department's voter
registration lawsuit against North Carolina continues, that is on a
temporary pause why the federal government remains shut down. Chief
of US District Judge and Richard Myers issued a one
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page order on Monday where Myers granted Justice Department lawyers
a request to stay or a request to hold all
proceedings in the case due to that federal shutdown. Myers wrote,
this case was closed on September the U eight, twenty
twenty five, with this Court's issuance of a consent judgment
and order. Since that time, certain third parties have filed
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motions concerning intervening in the case, but the case has
not yet been reopened. Myers added, here plaintiffs seek a
stay of any and all briefing deadlines pending the resumption
of appropriations following the current government shut down. Without making
any findings regarding the pending motion. The Court finds good
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cause pursuant to Federal rules of civil procedure to grant
the present motion. Any and all deadlines for filing briefings
concerning the pending motion in this case are stayed until
further order from this Court. So while the Justice Department
and the State Board of Elections look to close out
this may lawsuit that was filed by the Justice Department,
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Democrat groups, including the Democrat National Committee the DNC, and
groups working with a Democrat operative Mark Elias did ask
for this case to essentially be reopened, even though both
parties have agreed that they have dealt with the issues
at hand. Both parties have agreed that substantial changes have
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been made to the voter registration process in North Carolina
to guarantee those folks cannot register without either the last
four digits of a social Security number or a full
driver's license. We've got some additional coverage of that and
that letter from the election director to dmv Over on
our website This Morning, Carolina Journal dot com. That's going
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and ninety nine to three WBT
It's five oh six and welcome into a Tuesday edition
of the Carolina Journal News our Newstock eleven, ten ninety
nine three WBT. I'm Nick Craig. A good morning to you.
We are tracking some news this morning out of the
North Carolina State Board of Elections, as the executive director
there is asking the head of the Division of Motor
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Vehicle DMV for Social Security numbers of DMV customers who
are also registered voters in the state of North Carolina.
The request was made about a week ago and it
is designed to help state election officials quote maintain the
most accurate voter roles possible. Election Director Sam Hayes sent
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a two page letter back on September the twenty ninth
to DMV Commissioner Paul Tyne. Tyme as of publication over
at Carolina Journal dot com had not responded to the
letter that was as of Monday afternoon, according to election officials.
So the letter reads, in part, the State Board of
Elections appreciates the ongoing partnership with the North Carolina Division
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of Motor Vehicles to register eligible North Carolinians to vote
in person at NCDMV offices and electronically through the online service.
This partnership makes registrations to makes registering to vote easy
and efficient, and helps us ensure that our state's voters
have access to the ballot box. Many individuals, when either
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moving to North Carolina or wanting to vote in North Carolina,
do that through the North Carolina Department and Division of
Motor Vehicle. Many folks, when they get their license register
to vote check the box at a DMV office, so
it does a large way in which folks register in
the state. Has continued in the letter to say I
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write today to request that NCDMV provide certain data to
the state Board to help us maintain the most accurate
voter roles possible for the citizens of this state. Specifically,
I ask that NCDMV engage in a more robust data
sharing and matching program with election officials, to include providing
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full social Security numbers for registered voters who are also
NCDMV customers. Hayes justified this by saying having these numbers
would help maintain accurate voter roles because election officials would
be able to match these numbers against data in other
government databases to ensure proper removal of voters due to
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death and felony convictions. It would also allow us to
better identify when an individual has a duplicate registration or
more than one registration on the roles. Finally, having full
social Security numbers would allow us to identify non US
citizens who may be unlawfully registered to vote. The justification also,
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according to Hayes, says, as you know, Russ Ferguson, the
US United States Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina,
shared concern and evidence that NCDMV examiners had mistakenly processed
voter registrations for non citizens as recently as twenty twenty four.
As the state's chief election official, I share these concerns
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and ask that your agency provide the data necessary to
ensure that our voter roles are free of non US
citizens and remain as accurate and up to date as possible.
Russ Ferguson contacted Paul Tyne as early as July the
tenth of this year to share concerns about DMV's voter
registration process, noting that the Department of Homeland Security had
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informed the Western District of North Carolina Attorney's office of
a common theme of the noise North Carolina DMV seemingly
automatically registering illegal aliens to vote. That's in the letter
from the US attorney to the DMV commissioner in Paul Tyne.
A DMV investigation quote did not reveal any systematic issues
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with our process, Tyne wrote to Ferguson back on August
the twenty eighth. However, the commissioner highlighted two instances where
errors occurred due to examine or oversight. Tyne's letter offered
specific information about five people that Ferguson cited in an
earlier exchange. Ferguson responded on September the twenty fifth that
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he planned to share the information with the state's other
US attorneys since there seems to be a statewide problem
simply not just limited to the western district of North Carolina.
Attorney Ferguson wrote, although your letter claims your investigation did
not reveal any systematic issues, you found issues with all
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five voters in the limited sample that I identified. You
say two of those issues would due to examiner oversight,
but it appears that all five issues could have been
avoided by examiner attention. Furthermore, you propose solution A proposed
solution is to alert the state Board of Elections after
the fact when by happenstance, someone outside of the DMV
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identifies a problem. While alerting the Board of Elections when
the DMV comes to know of an individual that is
illegally registered to vote is certainly an improvement. I believe
the goal here should be a process changed to avoid
these illegal acts in the first place. Board of Elections
Director Sam Hayes a reference section three h three of
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the Help America Vote Act. You've heard a lot about
this over the last couple of months. JAVA. In the
September the twenty ninth letter to Paul Tyne have A
require state officials responsible for elections and motor vehicle agencies
to enter into a data sharing agreement to the extent
required to verify the accuracy of information provided on applications
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for voter registrations. Election of Election staff pledged to work
with DMV staff to ensure that any transfer of data
can be accomplished securely and in full compliance with state
and federal law, according to Hayes. He continued in the
letter by saying, quote, we commit to maintaining this data
securely in our election management system as we have with
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other sensitive voter data continuously for decades. Hayes added, I
believe we all can agree that voting accessibility and voting
integrity are equally important as we work towards the most accessible,
fare and accurate elections for North Carolina's seven point six
million registered voters. With full social security numbers of registered voters,
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we can all be sure that non US citizen registered
to vote can be identified and removed from the voter list.
In addition to the additional benefits described above, State and
federal legal action dating back to the summer of twenty
twenty four has focused on the accuracy of North Carolina's
State Board of Elections voter roles. The Republican National Committee
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and the North Carolina Republican Party back just a little
over a year ago, challenged the former Democrat majority's election
board handling of voter registration information. At the time, the
GOP complaint challenged some two hundred and twenty five thousand
voter registrations linked to a form that did not require
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prospective voters to provide either a a driver's license number
or the last four digits of a social Security number.
Republican groups asked for the affected voters to be dropped
from the voting roles or be required to cast provisional
ballots in last November's twenty twenty four general election. However,
due to the close nature of the legal challenge, courts
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refused to force the election board to take that step
so close to the election. Republican State Supreme Court candidate
Jefferson Griffin later raised the same issue in ballot challenges
after the election. In November, as he trailed Democrat Alison
Riggs by just seven hundred and thirty four votes statewide,
Griffin challenged more than sixty five thousand votes cast in
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the contest. More than sixty thousand of those ballots involved
voters whose registration records appeared to lack required have a information.
The state Supreme Court ultimately decided that those voters would
count in the final election. Tallly and Griffin conceded the
election after a federal judge declined to support a cure
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process that would have affected ballots Griffin challenged for other reasons.
Then flash forward to May of this year. That's when
the United States Department of Justice filed the lawsuit challenging
the election Board's voter registration roles A federal judge signed
off on a settlement of that lawsuit in September, but
the Democratic National Committee and a group working with Democrat
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operative of Mark Elias's law firm challenged the settlement. Justice
Department lawyers have asked for the dispute to remain on
hold until after the federal government shutdown ends. Carolina Journal's
Carolina Journal placed a call on Monday afternoon to the
State Department of Transportation media line and ended up being
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transferred to a full voicemail box, so it was did
not have the opportunity to chat with anybody at the
Department of Transportation or the Division of Motor Vehicle. However,
this is a lengthy request being made by the executive
director of the State Board of Election in Sam Hayes,
is justification again making sure that individuals who are not
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legal US citizens do not accidentally get registered to V
when filling out an NCDMV application and to work through
duplicate or other duplicate registration issues that exist within the
State Board of Elections database. You can read some additional
details on this story by visiting our website this morning,
Carolina Journal dot com. That story's headline NC Election director
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seeks full Social Security number data from DMV. Again those
details at Carolina Journal dot com. It's five twenty three.
Welcome back to the Carolina Journal News our news stock
eleven ten ninety nine to three WBT. In response to
(10:41):
last weeks hearing in Charlotte, That's when the United States
House of Representatives Judiciary Committee held a field hearing on
a violent crime in communities in Charlotte, Representative Tim Moore,
who represents the fourteenth Congressional district here in North Carolina,
introduced the Just the Judicial Accountability for Public Safety Act.
(11:03):
This legislation would hold judges civilly liable for releasing violent criminals.
This legislation was introduced just seven days after the North
Carolina General Assembly passed Arena's Law and sent it to
the desk of Governor Josh Stein, who signed it into
law back on Friday, October third, Moore said in oppressor
(11:24):
release quote, when judges let dangerous repeat offenders walk free
despite knowing the risks, and someone gets hurt or killed,
there has to be accountability. We've seen too many cases
like the killing of Irena Zaruska and Logan Federico, that
were completely preventable if the murderers had been behind bars
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at where they belonged. The judicial system in Democrat runs
cities that favor criminals over victims are failing innocent Americans.
This legislation is the first step to making sure judges
do their jobs and put public say first. During that
field hearing that took place in Charlotte, this is what
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Congressman Moore had to say about the situation.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
The criticism has not been with the district attorney. It's
been more with the with the magistrates and the judges
given and just letting these criminals come in and go
right out the door. And Officer Campbell, you just testify
there are times when you're still doing the paperwork and
the criminal is walking back out on the street. Is
that correct?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That would be correct?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And just curious. I mean is that like, is that
more often than not? Or is that just kind of
a rare thing.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
No, it happens quite frequently.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I mean that should not be That should shock everyone,
and that should make the drive the point home that
this is not about money or programs or whatever else.
And some of these feel good programs that get kicked
around out there to try to divert people from jail.
There are people who are dangerous and they need to
be incarcerated. And I'll tell you the other problem that
we have, and that is the lawsuit a couple decades ago.
(12:59):
I think the acl you filed at wanting to get
folks at deinstitutionalized folks with serious mental issues. Well, guess
what you have now you have people out on the streets.
Your homeless problem has gone through the roof. You know,
you can't go anywhere without seeing homeless in camps, even
in my small town of King's Mountain where this is happening.
(13:19):
It's happening all over the country. And it's because of
these leftist policies of trying to get people deinstitutionalized who
have mental issues. And guess some people need to be
in the community, But guess what, there are dangerous people
who should not have been in the community. And I
point to the situation with Arena Zarutska. Not only should
this guy have not been out on bond from previous things,
(13:41):
but why didn't somebody involuntarily commit this guy? Right, I
mean this guy, you know, whatever you want to say,
this guy should not have been on the streets. And
these policies have to change. But guess what, it's a
question of what's happened when it comes to judicial officials
around because you don't hear this as much and some
of the other counts. I mean, you've got a data
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pool that you can look at.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
That's Congressman Tim Moore back at the United States House
Judiciary Committee field hearing in Charlotte. This legislation lays the
groundwork for lawsuits by victims and their families when a
bond or sentencing decision is made with quote, gross negligence
or intentional disregard for public safety. According to the press release,
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it allows injured parties to seek justice through the court
system in the in these limited but serious cases. The
bill also prevents, also preserves protection for judges who act
within the scope of ordinary judicial discretion and in good faith.
As we continue with the coverage of that, the law reads,
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any person who establishes by clear or convincing evidence that
such person was injured by any action taken with intentional
disregard for public safety or with gross negligence by a
judicial official in a bond determination or sentencing hearing, may
obtain in a civil action such relief as the court
(15:10):
may determine appropriate, which may include punitive damages. This bill
according to the According to Jeanette Dorn, who is a
constitutional study counselor for the John Locke Foundation, she says, quote,
this bill is a small but significant departure from the
norms of the judicial community. Although this bill would remove
(15:31):
judicial immunity in limited circumstances, it could open the door
to broader removal of immunity. Lawmakers and citizens should be
careful about starting to punish judges for their decisions, even
bad ones. We want judges to rule based on the law,
not out of the concern for themselves or fear of
getting sued by even disgruntled parties. Of course, Moore's bill
(15:55):
doesn't go that far, but we need to think about
how we removing some judicial immunity today a could end
up extending to removal of more or even all immunity
in the future. So split on what folks think about
this legislation. We've got a full copy of this bill
introduced by Congressman Tim Moore, former Speaker of the North
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Carolina House, over at our website This Morning Carolina Journal
dot Com that stories headline more. Bill targets judges who
release dangerous offenders again. You can read those details at
Carolina Journal dot com. It's five thirty six. Welcome back
to the Carolina Journal news Our news Stock eleven ten
(16:38):
ninety nine three WBT. Don't forget if you miss any
of our live show here weekday mornings five to six,
you can check out the Carolina Journal News Hour podcast
and your favorite podcast apps. You can also watch the
show live and on demand by visiting our Carolina Journal
YouTube channel as well. We cover a lot of business
announcements over on our website, Carolina Journal dot com, and
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then of course bring them to you here on the
Carolina Journal News Hour, many of them large projects many
years away. But unfortunately sometimes these projects, while in the
announcements are great, the projects do not necessarily make their
way into full completion. To walk us through some details
this morning on a company that has been in the
talks for a couple of years here in North Carolina,
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Teresopeka from Carolina Journal dot com joins us to talk
about VinFast. They are a Vietnamese electric vehicle maker. To
reese the announcement back a couple of years ago in
North Carolina, what's uck currently going on on their site
plan development? Site over in Chatham County.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Good morning, Nick, thanks for having me. Well, not a
heck of a lot this, as I have in the article.
You can hear those proverbial crickets chirping right now. There's
just been no activity from a year ago we had.
The latest update was that they were gonna push push
the plant opening to twenty twenty eight. And this plant
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was supposed to be up and running now for at
least over a good year or so, you know, bring
all these jobs and it's the plant is a four
billion dollar ev manufacturing plant. It was going to be
called the crown jewel of Vinfest. Well the jewels got
a little bit of tarnish on it, and it keeps
growing as the years go by. So we wanted to
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do an update because we're seeing a few new articles
popping up here and there about the status of the company,
where they're going, and it just seems like their main
focus has shifted away from the US. They were also
looking at Europe as well, and how that bodes for
North Carolina. And this would have made the first auto
manufacturer in the state if it comes to fruition. I
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also saw some other reports other places that Hyundai was
also thinking about relocating or locating a plant here, but
in terms of being the first plant, this was supposed
to be, you know, the big, big news. In twenty
twenty three. We had former Governor Roy Cooper there at
the ground breaking with the officials from vin Fast. It
was just conda be this wonderful thing that happened. But
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unfortunately we're not hearing a lot. Hearing the same things
from like last year from the company and also from
Chatham County where this is being located monk Cure Triangle
Innovation Point, which has got some land cleared, and basically
it's the same story. Not much of anything's happening, but
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there are some things we will go into that are happening,
and it's just not for the better.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, Teresa. Obviously, when we talk about business announcements,
the business market is always volatile, regardless of whether the
economy is good or bad. But predominantly when we're talking
about vin Fast, we're talking about electric vehicles, which have
seen a huge surgeon demand over the last couple of years,
then a rapid decline in just the last twelve to
twenty four months. That industry and that entire sector is
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shifting dramatically, even some domestic car makers for GM and
others announcing they're pulling back on their amount of ev expansion.
I would imagine some of that demand issue is causing
problems for the Vietnamese automaker.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I would imagine, so yes. And we're also looking at
the expiration of the seventy five hundred dollars federal tax
credit for electric vehicles that's going away on October first.
And also we've got some uncertainty of course surrounding tariffs
that's going to compound the company's challenges they have faced
so far in the United States. So you tie that
all together, it doesn't paint a really good picture for
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this company.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Now you mentioned that they have maybe looked at some
other emerging markets after making that US announcement, after announcing
some of the plans to build that facility here in US.
It looks like while the company may not be necessarily
moving on the plant in Chatham County, they are expanding
in the Asia market.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Correct, That is correct, yep, So there they started that
expansion last year. They're in the Indonesia, India, the Philippines.
They're breaking ground on a couple different factories over there,
so and also expanding in their own home country and Vietnam,
so they are still making it looks to be some progress,
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but yeah, nothing much here. There are three dealerships I
will mention in North Carolina Apex, High Point and Charlotte
does have some vin Fast dealerships, and for about seven
other states across the country. But that's all the US
involvement this company has at this point.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So you'd highlighted in your article a couple of other
articles from places like Bloomberg and The Motley Fool. They
are looking at this company's overall financial picture, and Teresa,
they're asking I think I would argue some pretty important questions.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Right right, So, you know, basically inside evs dot com
they said vinfat this is their quote. VinFast certainly tried,
but it's become clear that it's not really working according
to the plan for the US. The cars the brand
sells don't seem to be up to snuff for European
and American markets, and while losses have continued to mount.
(22:11):
You know, basically, the owner of VinFast has put up
two billion dollars of his own money to fund the
company and they lost three point two billion last year.
So another report had Bloomberg saying that vin Fast is
spending a dollar fifty seven for every dollar of profit. Again,
that's that three point two billion dollar loss, and Motley
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Fool basically is calling the company a money pit, echoing
Inside EV's article. They're also questioning whether vin Fast would
shut its doors and become the next Fisker. That was
a a company with two failed American EV companies, like
the head of that. So you combine all of that
with all the news in the previous news they had
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before they had initial bad reviews of their product, and
it just seems like, you know, there are some highs
with this company, but there are definitely a lot of lows.
And again we're still waiting to hear a lot more
on are they coming, are they still going to be
coming in North Carolina? What is the situation with that.
It's like we're still in a holding pattern. So it's
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it's a question that actually needs to be asked because
there's been so much money promised with this company. We
had the JD Grant's money from Chatham County, which of
course they don't get unless they do produce the jobs.
But we do have the state which also pooning up
money to you know, clean up the site. They spend
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another four hundred and fifty million on infrastructure around the site.
As we said, they're not going to get that back.
That money is already spent. It's going to be spent.
So it's it's a costly project to undertake if we're
not sure what's going to happen in the end.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, I'm glad you bring up the Jay did grants, Teresa.
Over the last couple of months, you've had a couple
of different stories looking at jaydig grants and unfortunately, if
you're playing this straight on the track record, many of
these projects that get announced do not come to their
full fruition. They are not getting necessarily that money. But
on the other side, you're noting that the state, regardless
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of whether they're hitting these thresholds for the j DIG,
the state is investing one hundreds of millions of dollars
for roads and infrastructures. That money is gone and you
could potentially be running infrastructure to an empty facility if
nothing ends up being built.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That's right, that's right. I mean, we you know, we
mentioned the Jay Diggs track record. I think we had
a story Curse of the Jay dig a while back,
you know, as a headline, and it doesn't seem like
anything they shouldn't say anything. Not much comes to fruition,
and when it comes to these grants, I mean, North
Carolina is ranked number one in business. It's got obviously
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a lot going for it. You know, if going to
be zero zeroing out the core or tax tax rate
in the next couple of years, you know, lowering the
state income tax. So I get it when you want
to give incentives to companies, but it seems like the
way they're doing it with these j D grants is
definitely not working. And you mentioned roads one of the
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sad things about this story, and again human interest stuff
always touches me. We were talking about like how they're
going to have to use eminent domain to put new
roadways in to connect to this plant, and of various
other things. There's going to be a lot of homes
and businesses demolished, and a historic church. Unfortunately, that church,
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Mary Oak's Baptist Church, met the wrecking ball in June.
We do have some pictures and mention this in the article.
That church was standing there for a good over one
hundred and thirty years since eighteen eighty eight, and it
met with a wrecking ball in June. You know it
just it really saddens me when things like this happen.
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And maybe in the end, again this is speculation. Is
this project going to happen? Did that have to happen?
With that church, people's homes, people's businesses. I guess the
old proverbial time will tell is what we're going to
have to watch out for.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, and again Shadam County officials and folks from VinFast,
the company themselves both the emailing Carolina Journal this week
saying that yes, the project is still on, the plan
has still happen, is on schedule to begin construction and
have some of that done in operational by twenty twenty eight.
But Teresa, obviously, looking at the track record here and
some of the financial information in your quote, I think
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many would be probably hard pressed to believe the folks
from VinFast, at least as of right now. But we
will continue to wait. You've got a lot more details,
links to the historic church, the Mary Oaks Baptist Church,
and some of those other articles you reference this morning.
Where can folks go and read those details?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Sure they can head on over to Carolina Journal dot com.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It's a great update this morning. We appreciate the time.
Teres Opeka joins us on the Carolina Journal News Hour.
Good morning again, It's five point fifty two. Welcome back
to the Carolina Journal News Hour, Newstock eleven, ten ninety
nine to three. WBT Continuing to track a pretty significant
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back and forth exchange between the North Carolina State Board
of Elections and DMV. The director of the state Board,
Executive Director there Sam Hayes, has officially asked the Division
of Motor Vehicles to share full social Security numbers of
DMV customers who are also registered to vote. This is
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being asked to help maintain accurate voter rolls in in September.
The twenty ninth letter to DMV Commissioner Paul Tyne. Hayes
said that the data would help election officials verify voter eligibility,
identify duplicate registrations removed, deceased or or felon voters who
are convicted felons who lose those rights, and detect non
(28:05):
US citizens mistakenly registered to vote in North Carolina. The
request follows concerns raised by US Attorney Russ Ferguson, who
sent a letter to the DMV in July of twenty
twenty four that federal officials found that the DMV had
inadvertently registered non citizens. Tyne's subsequent request found two examiner errors,
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but denied any systematic problems. However, US attorney Russ Ferguson
disagreed with that assessment, saying that all five reviewed cases
showed preventable issues and called on the process to have
some reforms or changes to make sure that that is
not a that does not continue to happen in the future.
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Election Director Sam Hayes cited the federal Help America Vote
Act or have UP, which requires cooperation between election and
motor vehicle agencies to verify voter information. He assured that
any data that would be shared with the State Board
of Elections would be securely handled under state and federal law,
(29:10):
as the State Board of Elections is already responsible for
holding on to either full driver's license numbers or the
last four digits of social security numbers in a secured
manner within their voter registration database, so from a pure
security perspective, no real concerns there. This issue comes amid
ongoing legal and political battles over North Carolina's voter registration system.
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Back last year, both the state Republican Party and the
RNC sued the State of North Carolina over issues with
some two hundred and twenty five thousand voters. Earlier this year,
in May, the United States Department of Justice filed a
lawsuit against the state as well, challenging the accuracy of
voter roles and handling of registrations lacking those ideas required
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under the early two thousand Help America Vote Act. Although
courts have largely sided with election officials, disputes continue over
ensuring both a voting access and election integrity is in
place ahead of future elections, and with that ongoing legal
challenge from the United States Department of Justice, a federal
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judge has agreed that no further action in that case
will take place as the United States Justice Department's voter
registration lawsuit against North Carolina continues, that is on a
temporary pause why the federal government remains shut down. Chief
of US District Judge and Richard Myers issued a one
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page order on Monday where Myers granted Justice Department lawyers
a request to stay or a request to hold all
proceedings in the case due to that federal shutdown. Myers wrote,
this case was closed on September the U eight, twenty
twenty five, with this Court's issuance of a consent judgment
and order. Since that time, certain third parties have filed
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motions concerning intervening in the case, but the case has
not yet been reopened. Myers added, here plaintiffs seek a
stay of any and all briefing deadlines pending the resumption
of appropriations following the current government shut down. Without making
any findings regarding the pending motion. The Court finds good
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cause pursuant to Federal rules of civil procedure to grant
the present motion. Any and all deadlines for filing briefings
concerning the pending motion in this case are stayed until
further order from this Court. So while the Justice Department
and the State Board of Elections look to close out
this may lawsuit that was filed by the Justice Department,
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Democrat groups, including the Democrat National Committee the DNC, and
groups working with a Democrat operative Mark Elias did ask
for this case to essentially be reopened, even though both
parties have agreed that they have dealt with the issues
at hand. Both parties have agreed that substantial changes have
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been made to the voter registration process in North Carolina
to guarantee those folks cannot register without either the last
four digits of a social Security number or a full
driver's license. We've got some additional coverage of that and
that letter from the election director to dmv Over on
our website This Morning, Carolina Journal dot com. That's going
(32:35):
to do it for a Tuesday edition. WBT News is next,
followed by Good Morning BT. We're back with you tomorrow morning,
five to six right here on News Talk eleven, ten
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