June 30, 2025 • 49 mins
In this continuation episode of The Clink, Mat Steinwede opens up about his journey from the party-fueled chaos of Oxford Street to the criminal underworld, drug addiction, and life on the run.
In part two, Mat opens up about the emotional weight of raising his kids, the devastating loss of his son Logan, and how he’s built a life of purpose, discipline, and redemption from the ashes.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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make y'all comfortable for the record. You ain't trying to
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
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right for the record, record.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
For the record. I'm done trying to make y'all comfortable.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Welcome back to part two of our chat with Matt
stein Wade. If you haven't heard the first part yet,
make sure to go back and check it out. In
this episode, we pick up right where we left off
as Matt opens up about family, grief and the powerful
mindset that keeps him moving forward.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
He just had this talent that was like, well, everyone
loved watching him surfing in the.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Power he had.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
So as he got older, a good looking kid looked
like he's good looking kid. He like got the golden hair,
really brown olive skin. I've got freckly white skins. But
you know, he got more of his mum's jeans.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And then it must have been pretty good because you're
a handsome fellow yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So I'm not just saving a bit of a bit
of a diggy, but I'm being very honest, very healthy
to men.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Yeah, he looked like a little heath ledger, but a
surfer like he had just his look Anyway, as he
got older and older, so many sponsors and really good
comp surfing. It took him a while he was learning it.
But powersurfing and free serving best to watch. Yeah, so
he competed since he was young, but he was like
a bit of a slow developer. I think it weighed
heavily on him, the comp surfing. There are other kids
(02:06):
that like, he just couldn't concentrate properly. And he used
to say to me, Dad, it's like all this noise
is going off my head. Obviously, add bad diet, whatever
it is at the time, everyone's.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Got add these days.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
But it's like he couldn't sit still in school. I
was up the last year of his school. I was
up there fifty two times because he just wouldn't sit
in class.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I've went fifty two weeks in the aarmat.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, but yeah, that's right. I was fifty two times.
I was up there, so twice a week. Because what
happened was his mum decided to. I guess his mom
decided to change your life a bit and rang me
one day and said, you've got to take the kids.
And Logan was about eleven. I said, what do you
mean her mum rang me. Actually, he said, Koreena is
going to she met another guy and she's going to
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go with him, and then you've got to take the kids.
And I said, what you mean, take the kids. I
used to have them half a week every week. I
can't take the kids. A got to work and this
and that, and she just said I was way, it's
got to be I was like, okay, So I took
Logan in Phoenix. The two older kids, Jackson and Paris,
went to the worst mistake I made splitting them up.
I should have just got a bigger house, but I
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was got right in the middle of the divorce.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So you're doing your best at the time.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I mean, it's easy to look back now and have
this conversation and know where we could have made differences
and changed. I mean, I can relate with my twenty
six year olds on very similar situation, you know, And
then the choices I made cost our relationship even to today. Unfortunately,
I'll always contact, reach out, show love, connect, but nothing
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really comes back.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And that's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
He's twenty six, he's a man, and I've got to
respect that. But you were doing the best you could.
And for me, as I say, is, I didn't know
how to be your dad. I had to make mistakes
to learn to be there dad.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Fatherhood's just a whole Parenting is just a whole thing
in itself, and I'm still not brilliant at it. So anyway,
i took the two bedroom unit because I had no
money because I was going through my second divorce. I'm
still making sure Shelley had everything. I gave her the
house and everything. I just said, leave the business alone.
I'll just keep running, and me and Phoenix lived in this.
I gave them the rooms. I slept on the lounge
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for about two years, and then I moved to a
bigger apartment in Terigul, which I bought, and I got
started to get my feed back on my feet again properly.
But just made sure they've got everything. And then I
was pretty angry with the mum leaving them with me.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I was.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
It took me a long time to process, and I
think the kids, especially Logan, developed a lot of anxiety
at that point, like where does he belong? Because he
say to me, Dad, have I got a home with
you now? Like is this where I'm living? And I'm like, yeah,
of course, mate, yeah definitely. So as he got older,
he had a lot of problems at school, a lot
of problems in his head with that stuff. But I
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always his brother and sister went right off the rails,
and he always used to say to me, Dad, I'm
never going to be like Jackson in Paris. I'm never
going to drink, never going to take drugs. But he
was a full blown athlete, like he was amazing condition.
The energy that kid had was unbelievable. But when COVID came,
all the comps stopped, his training stopped because he used
to have a coach. Training gave him purpose what we're
(05:03):
talking about before. Man, Absolutely he had purpose, Yes, busy mind.
And then the I watched it like he was living
with me and Phoenix still was as well.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Phoenix was playing for the Roosters in the twenty ones.
I don't know what their grades are.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Underneath Logan was surfing, but then it just had nothing.
And maybe my mistake as well was I didn't have
him have other interests, like he was all surfing every day,
every spare minute, mornings, nights, comps.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Traveling half the year.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I used to spend about one hundred and twenty thousand
dollars a year just in traveling for the comps and
stuff the QS.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
So back then and the Pro Junior series, I had
a management company, like twenty five years ago, sports management
like the likes of Fisher and Who's the DJ, all
those guys. I used to take them around Australia, you know,
all over Victoria, Newcastle, Manly, any pro junior and the problem,
well the sponsorship was there, but you know, there was
nothing for the many times fee. It was just that
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was a little bit of product and a little bit
of coin maybe if you were right up there in
the top five of the pro juniors moving into the QS.
My brother in law is Jay Phillips. I don't know
if you're familiar with him, but Jay's a phenomenal, phenomenal
free surfer, even now at our age still blows up.
But and I say this with love put him in
that competitive which he had many of opportunities whilst on
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the QS in World Card events, especially on snaper Rocks
during the CT events back in the day.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
He just couldn't get it right.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And this is a man who's just like I say,
he blow your mind today. Put him in the water
and watch him free surf. Guy's a freak. It's hard,
but that's all he knows. And that's all he knew
was surfing. As you are speaking, you know, with logs.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, so like the mistake that I made, I should
have let him have other interests. I didn't like I
was channeling all it because I could see what he
could become and he wanted to. Don't get me wrong,
it's not like I made him. But he was like,
I probably should have let him play football or let
him do that. I was like, you know, the coach
said to me, he's probably one of the best surfers
she's ever seen, especially for his age. But he's a
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slower developer, so he might not work comps out till
he's like nineteen or twenty, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
So, and I was learning this.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Whole world of surfing. I didn't really understand. But people
may not know. You look at the CT like the pros,
but they have almost three groups, like the little kids
that the serious ones follow all these little comps around everywhere.
Then the middle pro juniors, same thing, and then that one.
They work their way out. It's very grueling, you know,
very grueling. And I was working my way through it myself,
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like I didn't know how to be.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I think two, the fact that you know it is
a massive financial burden. And when I say that we'll
do anything for our children, my kids are representing the
South Coast to going in All Queensland tournament for Rugby
League in a week and a half. And the thousands
of dollars that we've had to spend just to get
the registration the levee players levy the essential kit and
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then you know, your accommodation. I don't know how, and
we struggle to fund it. You know how does somebody
whom's less fortunate or doesn't have the stoke in the
fire in all different angles trying to bring in revenue
afford to give their children these options. Throw COVID in
the mix, and I mean you yourself would have understood
from a working perspective, I did you know, my whole
(08:23):
income completely stopped. I started the podcast actually just before
COVID and had to you know, no more guests could
come into studio.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
It was like, how do we continue this?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Where men were built to adapt, and especially with our background,
you know, we were so okay, We've got to go
this way or that way and make it happen. It's
as simple as that. There's no gray area of maybe
it fucking has to happen.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I have to produce.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Simple telling your young son that you sorry, your life's
on hold. Where's his mental stimulation then coming from, or
for that matter, any of your children or yourself cooped
up in a world of just surety, Everything that we
once knew that was normalody or routine has been stripped
(09:11):
of us. Here we are now facing are what now?
And for you that what now moment had a massive impact.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Yeah it did. And you know, video gaming.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
I would throw a Vidego video game out the window
now if I had another kid, which I do, but
it's like I wouldn't let them play video games. I
don't reckon it actually became a real problem and in
too much time sitting in his room playing video games.
And then all of a sudden we noticed all the
deodorant cans disappearing. We had lots of the cupboard like
(09:43):
spare ones like you always bias, not in bulk, but
just enough would have been ten and then there was none.
And I was like, so with the deodorant cans. She's like,
I don't know what started started doing that?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And then is that like a chroming matt, like the
kids with the paint in a bag or something and
start sneaking.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Yeah, well you know where it started from Bali. They
got these little resin balloon things, right, like there's these
little straws and you suck them in or blow them
in or something. It's resin and they make these balloons.
It actually started there. And I came home one night
he would have been fourteen fifteen, him and his mate.
I was still at point Frederick, not at terrible this time,
(10:22):
but point for the one I rented off their head,
like off their head, and his MAT's like, I'm going
to jump off the balcony and I'm like, what the
hell is going on here? And then I had to
I had to call ambulance because they were so off
their head. But those little balloon things from Bali, I don't.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Know what they're called. That's where it started, I think.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
And then that just over time, and then as he
had no purpose is that the odorant can stuff. And
then he started partying, and that I knew if he
started partying because he was, you know, he was a
really good looking kid and he had all everything going
for him. I knew it was going to be a
slippery slope from my own experience, and mate, he just
didn't get out of it. We got real strained, Like
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he moved out one day, like we had this huge
argument and he went to his girlfriends and I rang
his girlfriend's family and said, just don't let him live there.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
He's going to come back here, and he just wouldn't.
So then I cut his.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Phone off because I'm like, well, because I pay for
their phones, the cars or this, they're everything.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
And I cut his phone off.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And I thought, your little prick, I'm not going to
just let you decide how your good life's going to
be and just do nothing and run around just being
throw your whole life away. I said, go get a
job somewhere, Go do something something. You're not just going
to be a street rap, you know. And then he
moved over to his NaN's and I rang his nan,
who I got on with it really well with for
(11:40):
a long time. That's Karina's mum, right, And I said,
don't let him live at your house. There's no supervision.
Where it was a flat underneath. I said, don't let
him live there, send him back here. And then she
did and he did. And I'm not blaming no wonder
for anything like it, just that's what happened. And then
I just didn't talk to him because his older brother
did the same thing. And I didn't talk to him
(12:01):
for two years. And I don't know if it's the
right thing to do or not. But his old brother
came right back around. And that's Jackson, the videographer, and
he's doing great.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I see Jackson just to see the way you used too.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And look, as I say, as a dad, and I
have a son as twenty six, it's something I look
at you two and just go, wow, that's that's really cool.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah, it's taken a lot, you know. But maybe I
made a mistake with Logan, and I should have been
a bit different with Logan.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
I didn't know any different, and I thought, no, you
can go do your own thing, and then when you're ready,
you come talk to me and I'll.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Always be here for you. And then he text me
like a year a year and a half later or
something like.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
There was a couple of conversations along the way and
he said, love your dad, I see you soon, and
I love you too, mate, And I think he texts me.
I can't remember exactly, but it was like can we
have a chat or something? I said, yeah, sure, And
I was a bit like not sure what to do,
because over that last year or year and a half,
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I was like, every time if we spoke, it ended
up in an argument. Yeah, you know, And look, I'm
not an easy person, Like I'm like, I'm here for you,
but just don't talk crap and don't tell lies, and
like I'm a bit like that, you know, like I
don't think I'm the most approachable person. Sometimes if they
with my kids, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Don't don't explain it because I'm very much the same Matt.
And I'm always looked at by my children's mama. Oh really,
did you have to go to the earth? Yeah, exactly, second,
how else are they going to learn if I'm not
you know, I'm saying, you know, like whatever they need.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yet that's in.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
You have to absolutely and the bottom line is like
it or not, that's how it is. I'm I had
this conversation and sorry to just jump in, but it's
so relevant to your own story, and I feel so
many others out there listening to this can relate as well.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And the beauty of this podcast is for that reason.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I had this chat and he's I don't like to
say out of for Chie, you're my best mate, or
my daughter who was born legally blind, his daddy's little girl,
and she gets everything because I've got four children and
I've got as you know, as seven children. You've got
to give equality and support to each and every one
of it. It does it, They do feel it, and it's
not it's hard, but there's moments there of absolute just
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wow and beauty and just in awe of and you
you know, for me, I having those moments with my
two sons because I missed out on that due to
my choices and the way that I am with my
oldest son, whom very much like yourself. We may speak
once a year, sometimes could be two or three, and
it's heartbreaking because you do. You sit down times and
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you go far out, you know, I just wish he'd
call or answer. I am able to have these conversations
with Keishan, who's fifteen, and he's talking to me about life,
you know, and I always say, my wrongs are my
children's rights. They don't have to have the curiosity and
no doubt. As you've experienced, they're going to trial and
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do different things. They're going to do their own way.
But if they can take a moment and understand why
we are the way we are and why we bring
what we bring to the table is because we never
want them to walk in that path that we have walking.
We're blessed to be here. You should be dead. I
should be dead ten times over. That's the reality. But
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yet here we are gifted with seven for you, four
for me, beautiful children. Sadly you've lost one of your children,
and my heart sincerely goes out to you and your family.
But do you look at that and go, Okay, I
was a shit dad and that's part of the reason.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Or do you look at it and go, okay, this
has happened. Now I need to take the reins.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I go back to that leader of the family, pull
the little family together, pull myself together, and grow from
this moment. And you know, like you've got a two
year old? Was that right? She's two? So you've still
got My youngest is eleven. We've still got so much
to give our children. Our older ones are up here in.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So long, you know. But it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And I find that each step of the journey, in
each relationship with my children, on different levels, I'm able
to have these moments and bond and celebrate them in
beautiful ways, which then gives me a full heart, thinking
when I look in the mirror, I'm not that bad
a person. I'm becoming a better dad every day, one
percent better every day. And that's what I ask my children.
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I don't want you to win everything. I don't want
you to go out there and be the best. Just
give me one percent better than you were yesterday. That's
a win, you know, And it stacks.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, it is. And I have that communicated to them.
It's hard, you know, It's like it is so difficult.
So anyway, he'd said, you want to have a chat,
I thought, yeah, and then I actually labeled it a
bit because I'm like every other chat we've had recently,
we just argue, and I didn't want to push him
away because I hadn't spoken to him for about a year,
and I was like, I just didn't call.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
I didn't call. I drove around in the day thinking.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
That moment that you feel like is the right moment
to call, and I didn't.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I didn't call. And then that night he hung himself.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
So yeah, well yeah, so he just hung himself at
his NaN's house. It's not because of that call, I
don't think. I mean, it could have added to it,
but there was a few things going on, you girlfriend,
this and that. But I think there's a whole lot
of things put together. He just lost his lost where
he belonged.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
I think I was his soft place, but that turned
into a hard place.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
I don't know, There'll never be an answer.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
And then so I like, the hardest thing I ever
had to do is speak at his funeral.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
But after that, Jackson came out of that.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
We have a cottage at the front of the property
here and he was living in there, and he came
out one day he said, Dad, I just never want
to come out of my room because I just can't
explain the pain.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Yeah, anyway, he goes. I looked at him in the eyes, and.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Jackson had a lot of like depression problems younger, like
when he was eighteen, and drugs and like really bad
to the point where you know, that was another one.
I thought, I don't want him slip him back into that,
you know, And I looked at him in that one
moment I thought, I've just got to pull these kids
up with me. That's the only thing I can do.
And I've just got to pull them up regardless of
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how I'm feeling. It's got it. It's not about you, yeah,
and not be fake. Just be with them and like, guys,
we're going to just do that anyway. So that's where
it ended up. Yeah, Logan's dead now, so it'll just
halt me forever.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I just just want to take a moment and appreciate
the fact that you've been vulnerable right now, and mate,
I I there's a hard brother, because I can feel it.
I look in your eyes and I can see it.
And as a dad, you get me emotion on that fat.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You know, you're not human if you're not touched. I
really feel that.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You know, to hear what you just said and be
able to even take parts of that in your own
life and realize that, hey, they could could have happened
to me or and most definitely will happen to others
as life goes on.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Sure, thank you for your vulnerability.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
No problem, helped someone out look.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And that's what today is about. And each episode of
The Clink is about giving people those tools or that
inspiring moment and somebody else's life to know they're not alone.
And we don't want to lose lives. And if we
can prevent or support or just help in some way,
we can.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Let's get into let's let's let's take a little.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, and I was I was very nervous about touching
on that, but you know, today is a very true
story of your journey, and I really do it has
so much to offer so many out there, and thank
you you today. As you said, you've built a company
and very successful. You've wow glowing down there not just
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in the face, but within the industry that you work
still in the real estate industry.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
How is that today?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And how do you, I guess, stay motivated after all
these years. Yes, I know you've got daily structure and
all this sort of thing, but put that aside on
the shelf. How does Matt seriously get up and be
you know, have a heart on for real estate today.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I've learned now that you've got to have life running
in parallel. I think being all in is great to
get you to a point, but then you've got to
build a life in parallel, which I didn't before. But
now I'm just very uncompromising in the energy side of things,
Like you've got to feel great.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
You have to feel great.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
And I know people talk about gut health and people
talk about all this sort of stuff, but you know
there's definitely in today's society with cloud seeding and these
types of foods, the chemicals in the foods, you've got
to be careful and you've got to be committed and
diligent around this is just like a machine. Really, your
body is, and what you do to it will have
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a result. So like drinking, forget the drug side of it,
but the drink, like as in spurring on the drinking,
just alcohol is poisoned, plain and simple. I'm not talking
about triggering or anything. I'm talking about what it does
to in here. So what I've learned over time now
and I've lived it, but I've also studied it with
through people like Tommy my nutrition Iss. He has a
(21:31):
PhD in nutrition and specialized in gut health. He's unbelievable,
this guy. So I talk to him every day and
I have done for a number of years now. And
he just came up and said, all, oh to me
in a shop one day. Thank goodness. I don't talk
to people readily when I'm out in public arm things,
and something said go talk to this guy.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
And I went and found him because he walked off.
I said, oh, do you own the shop?
Speaker 5 (21:53):
We've got chatting and ever since then, mate, what I've
learned from gut health is it's everything. So when you
eat something like a donut, your body's got to process it,
and your body struggles. If you've got an energy problem,
it's usually a diet problem and it's not you know,
sleep is one thing, but you can have a shorter
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sleep for quality sleep. But the motherboard is in your stomach.
And that's where a lot of our people talk about
that feel flat or depressed. All this all that you've
got to look at what you're eating because in your
gut there's a whole bucket of bacteria, good bacteria, not
good bacteria. You decide what one you're going to feed.
You feed the not good stuff with gluten, dairy, alcohol, sugar.
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There is more stuff like mulsifiers and thickeners and flavors
and this, and that you're gonna have problems and everything
not great stems from inflammation, yes, and inflammation is caused
by obviously stress, but lack of dehydration, lack of food
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quality pretty much. And if you don't believe that, and
people are listening to this, going, oh whatever. Before I
started this, my inflammation markers were so high, like I'm
talking just at the end of when I started to
get more on this journey, it was around eight, so
I would have been a lot higher than that. Eight
(23:18):
to eleven is where strokes happened. Oh dear, heart attack
and strokes. That's where it is. My last blood test,
which was just a month ago, was point zero to seven.
Inflammation market basically gone, Wow, what's happened is my body
is humming now. But it's taken a lot of work.
And people say to me all the time, isn't it
(23:39):
boring living like that? No, not at all. Isn't it
boring sitting in a hospital getting fixed because you've got
a problem. And I got my appendix out and some
of them about taken out and that's the thing that
actually really spurred on the gut healthing. But I was like,
what I've learned about it now is everything on the
outside one hundred percent relates to the inside. But you've
got to be really committed to understanding what you're eating.
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Most of the food out there, anything that sits in
a packet, you shouldn't eat. Just about anything that is
long life packet sits on a shelf. Even the fruit
and veggies you see at supermuke, I wouldn't buy any
of those. No, they are full of pesticides and chemicals,
and they're like if you eat an apple from one
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of those non organic places, that apple is nothing more
than a cylinder full of chemicals. Your body's got to
process this stuff, and when your body processes it, it's
got to get rid of it. And if you do
that enough and enough, you eat some processed cheese, you
eat some milk in the morning with this cereal, you
eat some white bread, you eat this and that, and
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you eat an apple that's full of these pesticida. Your
body is being hammered by non stop chemicals. It's gonna
cause a problem. And then you drink alcohol on top
of that and then you eat ice creams and cakes
and this sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Mate, forget it. That's why you have problems.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Speaking of problems, so I relate to it again because
I just literally have had three weeks off and this
is why I had to deal with some health issues.
I had to a large cys in my bow that
needed to be removed, which then caused the tear and
the hemorrhaging, and I neglected it. You know, I spent
nearly fifteen years driving b doubles around Australia three four
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weeks at a time, eating shit food, the years of
sticking coke up my nose, and when I drink, I
don't drink beer, so I drink spirits and I don't
get drunk like I just can drink and drink and drink.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I mean, not so much.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I'm a pumpkin at ten o'clock going oh shit about
three drinks. But what damage I had done to myself
and then put in the excessive training, not eating right,
the body not repairing and not healing itself properly caused
me these issues. Plus the last five years, I've had
some massive stress issues that caused my health to deteriorate
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and have this recent scare, and I've only just come
out of the recovery of not wearing a pad between
the bum cheeks for the last week. So you know,
you're very, very on the point of what you're saying.
And the words are the recknecologist or whatever they call
that person. And obviously they had to do the stick
their camera down your mouth, what they correct all that
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sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So and I was able to visually see parts.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Of what was and what was after, and I was
actually shocked at the size of these cysts that had
grown and why I was getting these problems now. And
I was only talking to my son last night. He
loves kim chi, he's raised vegetarian, he's Mum's side of
the family rual veggio.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
That was just what it was.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
He's now started to step into another space and choosing
to eat other foods that are helping his growth and
repair his body because of the high amount of exercise
in rugby league and sporting and it's justifiable, but it
is so important. Everything you just said then is relative
better health and wellness.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
It's true.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
And it's on that note exactly what you said then,
Brent about I had really bad low iron for years
and years, it was just dropping to the point where
the doctor goes, mate, you've got to go get an
iron transfision.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
My daughter has to have any one.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, so I'm knocking one because you know, in the
iron transfusions, from what I've learned from them, they're actually
iron violence. So they're no good for you. That's why
people get sick after they're no good for you.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Can you tell me more about this, Matt, because my
daughter two days ago, she's legally blind and she's so
just turn dating and she's thirty six kilos. God bless her,
she's so tiny. She's now siliac disease, and she's also
iron indeficiency and has to have an iron infusion. And
I'm just now starting to try and understand what this
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will mean.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
So if you know, please, I've been right down this
whole thing and to the point where mine was so low.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
He goes, you're so enemy. My hands were so white.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
He goes, I really don't know how you've got the
energy to keep going your I don't know what the
scale is, but it was like four. It was meant
to be like up here somewhere, But this has been
going for years I was bleeding out my bum so
for years on and off like and then Tommy fixed it.
And I said to the doctor, just let me try
it naturally. I don't want an iron infusion. He said,
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you'll never fix it naturally. You can't, it's too low.
I said, just let me try. So Tommy put me
on this regime. First I had to seal up the bleeding,
which was a real problem for I'm talking like ten years,
fifteen years. And then he sealed it up first with
apple side vinegar, by carbonet soda and this drink that
he made me drink every day. And then I went
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on this whole iron journey for two years. I got
my blood test done, not the last one, but the
last one before that, and the doctor rings me. He said,
I don't know what you've done, but it is back
to normal. And I said, I told you, and I
just did exactly what Tommy said to do. Like I
ate the exact foods. I didn't deviate. I didn't eat
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one thing outside of that. I still don't now, but
he said, I am amazed. I've never seen that happen.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Ever, that's phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
On top of that, with the iron thing, Tommy said,
do not get one, because what it actually is is
they have iron filings in the serum thing. He said,
that's why people get so sick when they have them,
is because the body can't process them. Well, sure it's iron,
but they get Some people get sick for weeks after it.
It's because the body's rejecting that. The body's not absorbing
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it properly. And he said, you end up rusting on
the inside. He says, it can be a real problem.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
This is what's scaring me about allowing my daughter to
go through this process. If there's a better way and
she doesn't want to do it, she just said to me,
said dad absolutely tears, and she's just sitting in my
ope and she's just She's much my world. She's just
like dad. I'd rather live with a ninety fiicient. I said, Love,
you can't. This is not an option. We need to
find a way. I'll give you a number to ring, please,
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because I would be so grateful even to be able
to give her peace of mind that there is better
way and we can achieve it through this natural way,
would be so so good for her.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
That's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Can I just ask you, and I'm curious because of
my issues with the bleeding over the years. And as
you do, you just put it on the shelf, off shit,
you know, like push too hard or whatever, it goes
well and truly beyond.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I like going to the toilet. I sit there with
on TikTok. You know, it's like it's a long push
and it's like, no, good for you.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
No, but this is the thing. Or you get up
and your legs and numb because you've been hang on
for you.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
I'd like to know when you started the wellness program
to better the situation, how long did it take for
you to I guess, stop the hemorrhaging and start to
see that shift.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Two years?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
It was two years.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
About a year to stop it all properly, yeah, and
then another year to just keep moving like that and
that's when the iron fully came back.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
So it's like about a two year journey.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I reckon and it must be done according to and consistent.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
There's no excuse.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
You have to stick to it.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
But on top of that, Brent, like, that's for that,
but that's for life as well. Like I want to
run an optimum every day. That's the goal I've made
for myself. In life, So that requires some serious commitment.
That's why I like, I just don't do anything outside
of my meal plan. My meal plan that Tommy has
done is designed specifically for my bloods. So everything that
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I eat has a purpose. I don't eat conveniently anymore
if I'm not home, like summer sleeps in the middle
of the day, so I make I eat twice a day.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
You don't need to eat more than that.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I've seen you put something up the other day, but
it actually looked beautiful, very green. I'm very wholesome. I
looked at Wow, I'd love to eat that. And I've
seen your fridges too. I like your fridges.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yeah, outline, and I eat these pods. These pods are
so there's Tommy who's a nutritionist, and Mike the pod
Man who's not a nutritionist, but he's come up with
this superfood with about twenty to thirty plant based ingredients
in it, and four of those a day. You could
just eat one, you don't need to eat. I just
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like them, so I eat four of those a day.
Those in themselves have so much nutrients that you would
never get otherwise, Like, surely you can't eat that much food,
But these things. They've got jackfruit, dragonfruit, algae, red algae,
green algae, this stuff full of protein. People say to me,
if you eat two meals a day, how do you
stay like that? I do take testosterone these days, but
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not that much, few meals a week. But my diet
is so balanced and so regular and so consistent that
I don't waiver now like I don't. My body doesn't
go up and down like because I'm eating rubbish two
days and nothing here. So these pods are fantastic. And
then also Tommy has the only license in Australia to
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handmake these protein powders which are gut health oriented or
they're just for gut health. So there's got like four
ingredients in them, artificial, no thicken theess, no muscifies, no flavors,
no nothing. I have one of those at ten thirty
in the morning and one of those after training at four.
That's all I eat. And they don't bloat you, they
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don't do anything. They are amazing.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Are you able to give us the details of that?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Is Tommy okay with that or is this something that
you've got to go through him specifically having a point.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Just buying one line from him.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Oh please, if you will share, they are the best.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
They are the best. And like I've I could save
people a lot of time here. But as in trial
and error, But you don't need as much food as
you think you need. You've got to obviously stay at
a maintenance level. But I just snack on a pod.
I don't eat that's so good for you. I don't
eat meat. That's the other thing I was going to say.
I cut meat out of my diet completely because I
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eat eggs and I eat fish. Sometimes meat is not
great for you, in my opinion, from what I've learned
from Tommy, because it takes eighty six hours to digest
the meat, to break it down, so it sits in
there and your colon is like a dog's tongue on
the inside. This is from Tommy, not me. I love meat.
(34:13):
I loved it. I eats it a lot of it.
But it's like a dog's tongue. So when you eat
it and it sits in there, it actually sticks, and
over time it starts to write in there causes problems.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Ye, I reckon.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
That's one of the reasons my bow got Some of
my bow got taken out because I was eating like
nine times a day, every one to two hours, so
much meat and rice. Like, mate, you don't need it.
I don't need any calves at night at all. I
only eat calves at my first meal, which is sweet
potato rice and kinwa.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
There's a bit of that.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
I noticed. You don't eat is it after six o'clock?
After six?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
You know?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
And you have your structure with your sleep and all
that sort of stuff. Do you believe in like that
intimate fasting of a morning before you then you'll have
their first meal, And do you do you drink coffee
at all? No?
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Yeah, I gave up caffeine completely because it's it's no
good for you. I don't care what people say. They go,
I need my coffee, Well that's great. I need my
injection of cocaine too, but I don't have it.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
It's like, it's.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
True, coffee does nothing for you. It constricts your blood
vessels in your head. It dehydrates you, it ages you.
It gives you fake energy. It doesn't give you energy
at all. It band aids what your tiredness is. That's
it for a moment, but then you've.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Got to put up. People say, I don't get a crash.
You do.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Your body's got process it. Caffeine is not good for you.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
And everybody does bonk, whether you understand it or not.
And the word bonk it isn't like slap slap slap
slap slap bonking as in hitting the wall like you said,
you crash. It's and I use it a term only
from doing half time stuff. Oh you're gonna bonk on
the bike, mate, if.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
You don't feel your body well.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
In my head, I don't want to forget out just
this part.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I used to have two naps a day without fail
in the car because my energy would run out. This
is before any of this, and I would have insomnia,
up and down in the night, snacking in the night.
I don't have any energy problems. Now two o'clock crash
doesn't exist in my life. I get to seven o'clock
at night, it's still pumping away. It's changed because in
here is mitochondria microbiome, sorry, in your gut, and they're
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all bacteria.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Your microbiome.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
How you feed it feeds your mitochondria. Your mitochondria is
motors in your cell. Every cell in your body, THEUS trillions.
Every cell in your body has thrended and twenty zerousand
in every cell. So if you've got a lack of energy,
it's like your car you put rubbish in there. You've
got your motors in your body aren't running right. As
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soon as you work this out and you make changes,
you're feeding your garden properly. Your garden takes the nutrients
it feeds your motors. Your energy is back big time and.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
You're running on high octa BASICAE.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I love the fact that you and people will sit
here and like you said before, you know, with your
Mike Boris interview, people pull you apart. I cop that
shit all the time. There's always someone better that knows
better that whatever. But you have a structure where you
don't have a rest day. You work, you train, and
(37:15):
your analogy of it is because I'm training that particular
muscle in that group all that day, it's got four
days to recover whilst I'm working on other parts of
my body. I love that and it makes so much
sense if you now put that into context with what
we've just discussed in reference to how you fuel your
body and how your body is receiving the recovery and
(37:38):
the nutrients that it requires. You're living proof that this
is actually a workable way of living.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
You know why people find it hard because they can't
friggin be bothered. They just can't be bothered.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well, people like to just follow the trends.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Tour.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah, they want to eat conveniently. Like it takes some preparation.
You got to rewire the way you think if you
want to do it. Some people don't care, they don't
want to do it. That's fine. But to do this,
you've got to go get your blood done, find a nutritionist,
learn the foods, buy the foods. I buy all my
foods from a farm, ninety percent of it. They deliver it,
they keep it all, chop it all up raw. That's
all I eat, the whole thing. I won't go and
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eat a hamburger. Do I want to?
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
But I don't because there's going to be a cause
and effect to that. And it's like, what's the effect.
There's a cost to it. It's going to make you sluggish.
Chocolate love chocolate. I want touch chocolate.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I'm guilty. I'm guilty.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I have insomnia, so I'm prescribed pharmaceutical gummies medical me.
So I just take one at night. But the problem
is I do get a little bit sweet tooth, and
I never was prior, but it's better than taking steel knocks,
and sh'd like that to try and sleep. So you know,
I would love to personally give a go these pods
(38:56):
and also look a little bit more into what we're discussing,
because for me, I would like to find a better way.
And I can see it in you. And like I say,
I was following your journey, see your life or what
you put out, what you allow us to see. But
what I do see is a very energetic, upbeat man
who thinks very very clearly, very calculated.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
But also, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
You admit that you know you can be sort of
off the handle at times. You know that's that way,
and but you're running a successful company that deals with
people on all levels of emotion all.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Day every day, Like you've got to be able to adjust.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
So for you, you need to stay in that year but
also in a neutral position of non judgment. I could
be having a real fucking shit of a day, yet
you're my go to guy. I've got a multimillion dollar
property at for clues that's on there, and you know
you might see a foreclosure it's happening, it's on. We've
got this, this client's coming down. Blah blah, Matt, fuck off.
(39:55):
But Brent, I've been working with you, you know the
last two months, I've put everything Matt, seriously fuck off.
Oh okay, Brent, Look mate, no worries about it. Look,
we'll come back to it when you're feeling better. You've
got to be able to identify that, and to do that,
you can't be in that same state like you being
the pressure cooker carrying the company everything that's going on,
(40:17):
because obviously with all your successes, there's definitely some lows
and I watched you just recently talk about that in
reference to a certain deal that didn't go through that.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Costs a lot of your time, effort, and money. That's
the business.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
So how do you then deal with that and process
that in the best possible way.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Well, be well within you. It's pretty simple, isn't it. Really.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
If you want to be the best version of yourself,
then you need to take ownership of what we do
with ourselves, what we put into our body, and what
we allow to live rent free in our head.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Totally.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
And I love the same preventions better than the remedy.
You know, people don't care until they have to. And
it's just one of those things, you know, young people.
I wish I knew this when I was twenty, like, gee,
it's like but young people think, oh, I've got some time.
I don't really care. That's and it's you know, the
way it is. But you know it's not still something
happens that you sort of go, yeah, I need to
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make some different choices. Like I've had a few people
got cancer recently and then all of a sudden they
change your lifestyle. But it's like they're made to, they're
made to. I just want to give myself the best
chance of doing it without needing to.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Well, it's a saying, and I don't know if you've
heard it yourself, but you know, nobody believes in God
until they need God, you know, and when you're your
toughest times, what's the first thing that ninety nine percent
of people do, No matter what religion or you know,
God you believe in, you pray, please God, help me,
police Allah or Buddha, whatever it might be, bring me luck.
(41:45):
We all seek to ask that higher person, you know,
if you will for that help, that guidance, that spiritual
sort of enlightenment.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
You're exactly right. I chase frequency now, so when you're
on this path, your frequency raises and you can actually
access a frequency that hovers. And then when that happens,
things start to go a bit easier, bit better, a
bit more exciting. The thing doesn't happen, right, it doesn't matter.
You're excited inside. And there's a thing called the emotional
Guidance scale, which Esther Hicks has. Esther Hicks is a
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lady that talks about law of attraction, followed her for
like twenty years. The emotional Guidance scale basically is a
scale that shows you where each emotion sits excitement, eagerness, joy,
all this sort of stuff. But down here is worry, fear, anxiety.
There's like a I call it in the zone and
not in the zone. I just want to spend my
life in the zone. But that's not a decision, it's
(42:38):
an outcome. It's like it's a result. It's a result
of how you're living. And you can't pretend to be
in the zone. But when you're clicked into the zone,
well you watch what happens. Life turbo charges literally, So
my whole focus now is. I'm just excited about the
next step, the next step. I can't wait to eat
lunch today, you know, because it's so good the food,
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and it's like I feel so good after it and
I don't even want to wreck it now, So I
live live on that emotion.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
You found your high, You found your high totally. This
is your drug. This is And I know people go, oh,
you can't swap one.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Addiction out for another. Well and have a seat in
the corner and have a real good think about that.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Because you do need to become somewhat addicted to what
you do with passion and drive for you to.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Succeed, of course, and if you're not, if you're not
got that.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Target fifty five, I want to be the best, like
when I say the best on the planet, like michaelh. Hearn,
he's amazing, He's like fifty eight unbelievable. But I want
to be like the top one percent of fifty five
year olds on the planet. That's what I want to do.
That's where my head is.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Can we come Can we come back into this studio
again at fifty five and have this comm No, I'm serious, absolutely,
I want to hold you to that. I would love
to sit down with you in what are you? Fifty three?
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Fifty three? That's a week ago, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Another two years.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Let's just dissect pull it apart and have a look
at how much of a difference.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Likely to do that.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
But when you've got that north Star brandt, and that's
why everyone we're talking about purpose before. When you've got
that north Star and it is my north Star, I'm like,
I want I've got this vision of that. So every meal,
every choice, every StairMaster, this every that, it's all linked
to that. It's not just because like I just want
to eat a healthy meal, I'm linking it to who
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do I actually want to become?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Who am I?
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Yeah? Deep question?
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Well it is and you know, to everybody out there
listening today, ask yourself that question, look in the mirror
and really really answer it. Honestly, I think that if
we could do that, and a lot of people will,
many won't be truly honest with themselves. The answers that
will come back will sit your flat on your ass
and they may be good and they may not be
(44:54):
so good. So then start to balance it up and
bring that to a level that is good. Like you said,
you want to be here. Why because it's good. I
love it and I feel good. What's for lunch? I'm excited?
How good is that? You know? Like you and your
German shepherd, I tell you why, you must enjoy sitting
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there to get out.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
I'm surprised she's not sitting on your lap because she's
everywhere with you there.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
I don't know how to get hear it. She's banging
the door.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Well, animals know.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
It's like children that you know, if you feel that
a child doesn't have a sense about things, than you're
kidding yourself. It's like me and I'm sure you have
hens us still walking this earth today.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Our gut instinct is what's kept us here and our awareness,
you know, And.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
It's it's hard because, yeah, we can change our ways.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Does the past ever leave us?
Speaker 4 (45:49):
No? Unfortunately, it will always get drawn and brought back
up somewhere along the line. Someone will at some stage
throw it back in the mix. Okay, so what But
I know who I am today. I know what to
bring to the table. I know where my purpose is
and where I want to be and where I'm growing.
(46:09):
I think every day and I refer back to that
one percent analogy is if I can be one percent
better today than it was yesterday. That's seven percent better
over the course of a week. Take that over a
month and a year. I'm fucking good. I'm real good,
and life's good, you know, and like, can you ask
for them much more than that?
Speaker 6 (46:29):
That's it, that's all life about. Really.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
I want to ask you before we sort of start
to wrap up. For those out there that listening, I
always ask each of my guests to leave something in
the toolbox.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I call it the digital toolbox, because.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
Over the course of a season, we can put together
from each of our wonderful guests something in their lives
that will have an impact in others. That moment, that advice,
that something that's enabled you to be sitting here now
looking at me with that smile on your face, waiting
for lunch and looking forward to you know, what's ahead
(47:02):
for the rest of the day. What would you do
you suggest to somebody whom, for example, was Matt an
addict basically not wanting to sort of come out face
of or didn't know whether he was going to get
knocked or not in debt to the eyeballs. Yet you
got that opportunity that women come into your life and
open up a door and you walk through it, hence
(47:23):
you being here today.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
I reckon it's the bit of advice I give people.
Is that more of parenting. Logan had a school teacher,
one school teacher he loved, loved Missus Massey Dale. I
ended up selling a house along the line. She's a
great person. She gave me advice that I didn't actually
listen to, and I should have. She said, when your
kids have a problem or are problems.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Logan had a lot. In the end, she said, just
never leave the room.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
And I think, you know, looking back, I probably I
left the room you did.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
So I think.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
Great advice from Missus Massey. But I think as a
parent I've learned just don't leave the room.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
I'm yeah, I'm that's enough. I don't know what to
say that.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Now, you know what, Like, that's a really powerful statement
as of relating father similar situations. And I know that
we're not alone, and there's probably people out there now
that are in a worse situation. Because of the way
the life is and things have changed, and the way
society portrays and sees certain things. It's very very difficult,
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especially if you're you're going through those moments.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Matt.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Thank you mate, Thanks Matte, thank you for just being here,
thank you for being so vulnerable, so open. It truly
is an honor, and I think that everybody out there
will definitely be able to gain something from our chat
today and in two years time, I'm going to have
the greatest fifty five year old back on the Clink
podcast because I'll still going still be the best podcast indust.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
I'll send you the details for the pot and the
shakes and stuffy.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
If you could do that, I'd be grateful. Guys, thank
you for listening today. I hope you've enjoyed this chat.
Season eighteen is going to be an absolute cracker of
a season. Stay tuned and remember one percent better every day.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Thank you very much, mate, Thanks mate, see you later.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Cheers for the record. Don't try and make you uncomfortable
for the record. You ain't trying world and stuff for
your for the record, lab on me going hard away
for the record. Ain't trying to lenk No trying to
wash for
Speaker 2 (49:39):
The rugged for the record, for the for the ragged,
for the redon for the regged, for the ragged,
Yeah, approache production for the record. I'm done trying to
make y'all comfortable for the record. You ain't trying to
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grow down the stuff for your right for the record,
laugh on me going all the way way for the record.
Ain't trying to link, No, trying to waste for the record.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
For the record, for the for the record, for the
right for the record, record.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
For the record. I'm done trying to make y'all comfortable.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Welcome back to part two of our chat with Matt
stein Wade. If you haven't heard the first part yet,
make sure to go back and check it out. In
this episode, we pick up right where we left off
as Matt opens up about family, grief and the powerful
mindset that keeps him moving forward.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
He just had this talent that was like, well, everyone
loved watching him surfing in the.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Power he had.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
So as he got older, a good looking kid looked
like he's good looking kid. He like got the golden hair,
really brown olive skin. I've got freckly white skins. But
you know, he got more of his mum's jeans.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And then it must have been pretty good because you're
a handsome fellow yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So I'm not just saving a bit of a bit
of a diggy, but I'm being very honest, very healthy
to men.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Yeah, he looked like a little heath ledger, but a
surfer like he had just his look Anyway, as he
got older and older, so many sponsors and really good
comp surfing. It took him a while he was learning it.
But powersurfing and free serving best to watch. Yeah, so
he competed since he was young, but he was like
a bit of a slow developer. I think it weighed
heavily on him, the comp surfing. There are other kids
(02:06):
that like, he just couldn't concentrate properly. And he used
to say to me, Dad, it's like all this noise
is going off my head. Obviously, add bad diet, whatever
it is at the time, everyone's.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Got add these days.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
But it's like he couldn't sit still in school. I
was up the last year of his school. I was
up there fifty two times because he just wouldn't sit
in class.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I've went fifty two weeks in the aarmat.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, but yeah, that's right. I was fifty two times.
I was up there, so twice a week. Because what
happened was his mum decided to. I guess his mom
decided to change your life a bit and rang me
one day and said, you've got to take the kids.
And Logan was about eleven. I said, what do you
mean her mum rang me. Actually, he said, Koreena is
going to she met another guy and she's going to
(02:48):
go with him, and then you've got to take the kids.
And I said, what you mean, take the kids. I
used to have them half a week every week. I
can't take the kids. A got to work and this
and that, and she just said I was way, it's
got to be I was like, okay, So I took
Logan in Phoenix. The two older kids, Jackson and Paris,
went to the worst mistake I made splitting them up.
I should have just got a bigger house, but I
(03:09):
was got right in the middle of the divorce.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So you're doing your best at the time.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I mean, it's easy to look back now and have
this conversation and know where we could have made differences
and changed. I mean, I can relate with my twenty
six year olds on very similar situation, you know, And
then the choices I made cost our relationship even to today. Unfortunately,
I'll always contact, reach out, show love, connect, but nothing
(03:33):
really comes back.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And that's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
He's twenty six, he's a man, and I've got to
respect that. But you were doing the best you could.
And for me, as I say, is, I didn't know
how to be your dad. I had to make mistakes
to learn to be there dad.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Fatherhood's just a whole Parenting is just a whole thing
in itself, and I'm still not brilliant at it. So anyway,
i took the two bedroom unit because I had no
money because I was going through my second divorce. I'm
still making sure Shelley had everything. I gave her the
house and everything. I just said, leave the business alone.
I'll just keep running, and me and Phoenix lived in this.
I gave them the rooms. I slept on the lounge
(04:08):
for about two years, and then I moved to a
bigger apartment in Terigul, which I bought, and I got
started to get my feed back on my feet again properly.
But just made sure they've got everything. And then I
was pretty angry with the mum leaving them with me.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I was.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
It took me a long time to process, and I
think the kids, especially Logan, developed a lot of anxiety
at that point, like where does he belong? Because he
say to me, Dad, have I got a home with
you now? Like is this where I'm living? And I'm like, yeah,
of course, mate, yeah definitely. So as he got older,
he had a lot of problems at school, a lot
of problems in his head with that stuff. But I
(04:43):
always his brother and sister went right off the rails,
and he always used to say to me, Dad, I'm
never going to be like Jackson in Paris. I'm never
going to drink, never going to take drugs. But he
was a full blown athlete, like he was amazing condition.
The energy that kid had was unbelievable. But when COVID came,
all the comps stopped, his training stopped because he used
to have a coach. Training gave him purpose what we're
(05:03):
talking about before. Man, Absolutely he had purpose, Yes, busy mind.
And then the I watched it like he was living
with me and Phoenix still was as well.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Phoenix was playing for the Roosters in the twenty ones.
I don't know what their grades are.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Underneath Logan was surfing, but then it just had nothing.
And maybe my mistake as well was I didn't have
him have other interests, like he was all surfing every day,
every spare minute, mornings, nights, comps.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Traveling half the year.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I used to spend about one hundred and twenty thousand
dollars a year just in traveling for the comps and
stuff the QS.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
So back then and the Pro Junior series, I had
a management company, like twenty five years ago, sports management
like the likes of Fisher and Who's the DJ, all
those guys. I used to take them around Australia, you know,
all over Victoria, Newcastle, Manly, any pro junior and the problem,
well the sponsorship was there, but you know, there was
nothing for the many times fee. It was just that
(06:01):
was a little bit of product and a little bit
of coin maybe if you were right up there in
the top five of the pro juniors moving into the QS.
My brother in law is Jay Phillips. I don't know
if you're familiar with him, but Jay's a phenomenal, phenomenal
free surfer, even now at our age still blows up.
But and I say this with love put him in
that competitive which he had many of opportunities whilst on
(06:24):
the QS in World Card events, especially on snaper Rocks
during the CT events back in the day.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
He just couldn't get it right.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And this is a man who's just like I say,
he blow your mind today. Put him in the water
and watch him free surf. Guy's a freak. It's hard,
but that's all he knows. And that's all he knew
was surfing. As you are speaking, you know, with logs.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, so like the mistake that I made, I should
have let him have other interests. I didn't like I
was channeling all it because I could see what he
could become and he wanted to. Don't get me wrong,
it's not like I made him. But he was like,
I probably should have let him play football or let
him do that. I was like, you know, the coach
said to me, he's probably one of the best surfers
she's ever seen, especially for his age. But he's a
(07:10):
slower developer, so he might not work comps out till
he's like nineteen or twenty, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
So, and I was learning this.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Whole world of surfing. I didn't really understand. But people
may not know. You look at the CT like the pros,
but they have almost three groups, like the little kids
that the serious ones follow all these little comps around everywhere.
Then the middle pro juniors, same thing, and then that one.
They work their way out. It's very grueling, you know,
very grueling. And I was working my way through it myself,
(07:38):
like I didn't know how to be.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I think two, the fact that you know it is
a massive financial burden. And when I say that we'll
do anything for our children, my kids are representing the
South Coast to going in All Queensland tournament for Rugby
League in a week and a half. And the thousands
of dollars that we've had to spend just to get
the registration the levee players levy the essential kit and
(08:01):
then you know, your accommodation. I don't know how, and
we struggle to fund it. You know how does somebody
whom's less fortunate or doesn't have the stoke in the
fire in all different angles trying to bring in revenue
afford to give their children these options. Throw COVID in
the mix, and I mean you yourself would have understood
from a working perspective, I did you know, my whole
(08:23):
income completely stopped. I started the podcast actually just before
COVID and had to you know, no more guests could
come into studio.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
It was like, how do we continue this?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Where men were built to adapt, and especially with our background,
you know, we were so okay, We've got to go
this way or that way and make it happen. It's
as simple as that. There's no gray area of maybe
it fucking has to happen.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I have to produce.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Simple telling your young son that you sorry, your life's
on hold. Where's his mental stimulation then coming from, or
for that matter, any of your children or yourself cooped
up in a world of just surety, Everything that we
once knew that was normalody or routine has been stripped
(09:11):
of us. Here we are now facing are what now?
And for you that what now moment had a massive impact.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Yeah it did. And you know, video gaming.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
I would throw a Vidego video game out the window
now if I had another kid, which I do, but
it's like I wouldn't let them play video games. I
don't reckon it actually became a real problem and in
too much time sitting in his room playing video games.
And then all of a sudden we noticed all the
deodorant cans disappearing. We had lots of the cupboard like
(09:43):
spare ones like you always bias, not in bulk, but
just enough would have been ten and then there was none.
And I was like, so with the deodorant cans. She's like,
I don't know what started started doing that?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And then is that like a chroming matt, like the
kids with the paint in a bag or something and
start sneaking.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Yeah, well you know where it started from Bali. They
got these little resin balloon things, right, like there's these
little straws and you suck them in or blow them
in or something. It's resin and they make these balloons.
It actually started there. And I came home one night
he would have been fourteen fifteen, him and his mate.
I was still at point Frederick, not at terrible this time,
(10:22):
but point for the one I rented off their head,
like off their head, and his MAT's like, I'm going
to jump off the balcony and I'm like, what the
hell is going on here? And then I had to
I had to call ambulance because they were so off
their head. But those little balloon things from Bali, I don't.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Know what they're called. That's where it started, I think.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
And then that just over time, and then as he
had no purpose is that the odorant can stuff. And
then he started partying, and that I knew if he
started partying because he was, you know, he was a
really good looking kid and he had all everything going
for him. I knew it was going to be a
slippery slope from my own experience, and mate, he just
didn't get out of it. We got real strained, Like
(11:03):
he moved out one day, like we had this huge
argument and he went to his girlfriends and I rang
his girlfriend's family and said, just don't let him live there.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
He's going to come back here, and he just wouldn't.
So then I cut his.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Phone off because I'm like, well, because I pay for
their phones, the cars or this, they're everything.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
And I cut his phone off.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And I thought, your little prick, I'm not going to
just let you decide how your good life's going to
be and just do nothing and run around just being
throw your whole life away. I said, go get a
job somewhere, Go do something something. You're not just going
to be a street rap, you know. And then he
moved over to his NaN's and I rang his nan,
who I got on with it really well with for
(11:40):
a long time. That's Karina's mum, right, And I said,
don't let him live at your house. There's no supervision.
Where it was a flat underneath. I said, don't let
him live there, send him back here. And then she
did and he did. And I'm not blaming no wonder
for anything like it, just that's what happened. And then
I just didn't talk to him because his older brother
did the same thing. And I didn't talk to him
(12:01):
for two years. And I don't know if it's the
right thing to do or not. But his old brother
came right back around. And that's Jackson, the videographer, and
he's doing great.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I see Jackson just to see the way you used too.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And look, as I say, as a dad, and I
have a son as twenty six, it's something I look
at you two and just go, wow, that's that's really cool.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah, it's taken a lot, you know. But maybe I
made a mistake with Logan, and I should have been
a bit different with Logan.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
I didn't know any different, and I thought, no, you
can go do your own thing, and then when you're ready,
you come talk to me and I'll.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Always be here for you. And then he text me
like a year a year and a half later or
something like.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
There was a couple of conversations along the way and
he said, love your dad, I see you soon, and
I love you too, mate, And I think he texts me.
I can't remember exactly, but it was like can we
have a chat or something? I said, yeah, sure, And
I was a bit like not sure what to do,
because over that last year or year and a half,
(12:58):
I was like, every time if we spoke, it ended
up in an argument. Yeah, you know, And look, I'm
not an easy person, Like I'm like, I'm here for you,
but just don't talk crap and don't tell lies, and
like I'm a bit like that, you know, like I
don't think I'm the most approachable person. Sometimes if they
with my kids, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Don't don't explain it because I'm very much the same Matt.
And I'm always looked at by my children's mama. Oh really,
did you have to go to the earth? Yeah, exactly, second,
how else are they going to learn if I'm not
you know, I'm saying, you know, like whatever they need.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yet that's in.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
You have to absolutely and the bottom line is like
it or not, that's how it is. I'm I had
this conversation and sorry to just jump in, but it's
so relevant to your own story, and I feel so
many others out there listening to this can relate as well.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And the beauty of this podcast is for that reason.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I had this chat and he's I don't like to
say out of for Chie, you're my best mate, or
my daughter who was born legally blind, his daddy's little girl,
and she gets everything because I've got four children and
I've got as you know, as seven children. You've got
to give equality and support to each and every one
of it. It does it, They do feel it, and it's
not it's hard, but there's moments there of absolute just
(14:20):
wow and beauty and just in awe of and you
you know, for me, I having those moments with my
two sons because I missed out on that due to
my choices and the way that I am with my
oldest son, whom very much like yourself. We may speak
once a year, sometimes could be two or three, and
it's heartbreaking because you do. You sit down times and
(14:40):
you go far out, you know, I just wish he'd
call or answer. I am able to have these conversations
with Keishan, who's fifteen, and he's talking to me about life,
you know, and I always say, my wrongs are my
children's rights. They don't have to have the curiosity and
no doubt. As you've experienced, they're going to trial and
(15:02):
do different things. They're going to do their own way.
But if they can take a moment and understand why
we are the way we are and why we bring
what we bring to the table is because we never
want them to walk in that path that we have walking.
We're blessed to be here. You should be dead. I
should be dead ten times over. That's the reality. But
(15:23):
yet here we are gifted with seven for you, four
for me, beautiful children. Sadly you've lost one of your children,
and my heart sincerely goes out to you and your family.
But do you look at that and go, Okay, I
was a shit dad and that's part of the reason.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Or do you look at it and go, okay, this
has happened. Now I need to take the reins.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I go back to that leader of the family, pull
the little family together, pull myself together, and grow from
this moment. And you know, like you've got a two
year old? Was that right? She's two? So you've still
got My youngest is eleven. We've still got so much
to give our children. Our older ones are up here in.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So long, you know. But it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And I find that each step of the journey, in
each relationship with my children, on different levels, I'm able
to have these moments and bond and celebrate them in
beautiful ways, which then gives me a full heart, thinking
when I look in the mirror, I'm not that bad
a person. I'm becoming a better dad every day, one
percent better every day. And that's what I ask my children.
(16:34):
I don't want you to win everything. I don't want
you to go out there and be the best. Just
give me one percent better than you were yesterday. That's
a win, you know, And it stacks.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, it is. And I have that communicated to them.
It's hard, you know, It's like it is so difficult.
So anyway, he'd said, you want to have a chat,
I thought, yeah, and then I actually labeled it a
bit because I'm like every other chat we've had recently,
we just argue, and I didn't want to push him
away because I hadn't spoken to him for about a year,
and I was like, I just didn't call.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
I didn't call. I drove around in the day thinking.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
That moment that you feel like is the right moment
to call, and I didn't.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I didn't call. And then that night he hung himself.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
So yeah, well yeah, so he just hung himself at
his NaN's house. It's not because of that call, I
don't think. I mean, it could have added to it,
but there was a few things going on, you girlfriend,
this and that. But I think there's a whole lot
of things put together. He just lost his lost where
he belonged.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
I think I was his soft place, but that turned
into a hard place.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
I don't know, There'll never be an answer.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
And then so I like, the hardest thing I ever
had to do is speak at his funeral.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
But after that, Jackson came out of that.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
We have a cottage at the front of the property
here and he was living in there, and he came
out one day he said, Dad, I just never want
to come out of my room because I just can't
explain the pain.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Yeah, anyway, he goes. I looked at him in the eyes, and.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Jackson had a lot of like depression problems younger, like
when he was eighteen, and drugs and like really bad
to the point where you know, that was another one.
I thought, I don't want him slip him back into that,
you know, And I looked at him in that one
moment I thought, I've just got to pull these kids
up with me. That's the only thing I can do.
And I've just got to pull them up regardless of
(18:30):
how I'm feeling. It's got it. It's not about you, yeah,
and not be fake. Just be with them and like, guys,
we're going to just do that anyway. So that's where
it ended up. Yeah, Logan's dead now, so it'll just
halt me forever.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I just just want to take a moment and appreciate
the fact that you've been vulnerable right now, and mate,
I I there's a hard brother, because I can feel it.
I look in your eyes and I can see it.
And as a dad, you get me emotion on that fat.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You know, you're not human if you're not touched. I
really feel that.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You know, to hear what you just said and be
able to even take parts of that in your own
life and realize that, hey, they could could have happened
to me or and most definitely will happen to others
as life goes on.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Sure, thank you for your vulnerability.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
No problem, helped someone out look.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And that's what today is about. And each episode of
The Clink is about giving people those tools or that
inspiring moment and somebody else's life to know they're not alone.
And we don't want to lose lives. And if we
can prevent or support or just help in some way,
we can.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Let's get into let's let's let's take a little.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, and I was I was very nervous about touching
on that, but you know, today is a very true
story of your journey, and I really do it has
so much to offer so many out there, and thank
you you today. As you said, you've built a company
and very successful. You've wow glowing down there not just
(20:14):
in the face, but within the industry that you work
still in the real estate industry.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
How is that today?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And how do you, I guess, stay motivated after all
these years. Yes, I know you've got daily structure and
all this sort of thing, but put that aside on
the shelf. How does Matt seriously get up and be
you know, have a heart on for real estate today.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I've learned now that you've got to have life running
in parallel. I think being all in is great to
get you to a point, but then you've got to
build a life in parallel, which I didn't before. But
now I'm just very uncompromising in the energy side of things,
Like you've got to feel great.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
You have to feel great.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
And I know people talk about gut health and people
talk about all this sort of stuff, but you know
there's definitely in today's society with cloud seeding and these
types of foods, the chemicals in the foods, you've got
to be careful and you've got to be committed and
diligent around this is just like a machine. Really, your
body is, and what you do to it will have
(21:11):
a result. So like drinking, forget the drug side of it,
but the drink, like as in spurring on the drinking,
just alcohol is poisoned, plain and simple. I'm not talking
about triggering or anything. I'm talking about what it does
to in here. So what I've learned over time now
and I've lived it, but I've also studied it with
through people like Tommy my nutrition Iss. He has a
(21:31):
PhD in nutrition and specialized in gut health. He's unbelievable,
this guy. So I talk to him every day and
I have done for a number of years now. And
he just came up and said, all, oh to me
in a shop one day. Thank goodness. I don't talk
to people readily when I'm out in public arm things,
and something said go talk to this guy.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
And I went and found him because he walked off.
I said, oh, do you own the shop?
Speaker 5 (21:53):
We've got chatting and ever since then, mate, what I've
learned from gut health is it's everything. So when you
eat something like a donut, your body's got to process it,
and your body struggles. If you've got an energy problem,
it's usually a diet problem and it's not you know,
sleep is one thing, but you can have a shorter
(22:13):
sleep for quality sleep. But the motherboard is in your stomach.
And that's where a lot of our people talk about
that feel flat or depressed. All this all that you've
got to look at what you're eating because in your
gut there's a whole bucket of bacteria, good bacteria, not
good bacteria. You decide what one you're going to feed.
You feed the not good stuff with gluten, dairy, alcohol, sugar.
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There is more stuff like mulsifiers and thickeners and flavors
and this, and that you're gonna have problems and everything
not great stems from inflammation, yes, and inflammation is caused
by obviously stress, but lack of dehydration, lack of food
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quality pretty much. And if you don't believe that, and
people are listening to this, going, oh whatever. Before I
started this, my inflammation markers were so high, like I'm
talking just at the end of when I started to
get more on this journey, it was around eight, so
I would have been a lot higher than that. Eight
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to eleven is where strokes happened. Oh dear, heart attack
and strokes. That's where it is. My last blood test,
which was just a month ago, was point zero to seven.
Inflammation market basically gone, Wow, what's happened is my body
is humming now. But it's taken a lot of work.
And people say to me all the time, isn't it
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boring living like that? No, not at all. Isn't it
boring sitting in a hospital getting fixed because you've got
a problem. And I got my appendix out and some
of them about taken out and that's the thing that
actually really spurred on the gut healthing. But I was like,
what I've learned about it now is everything on the
outside one hundred percent relates to the inside. But you've
got to be really committed to understanding what you're eating.
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Most of the food out there, anything that sits in
a packet, you shouldn't eat. Just about anything that is
long life packet sits on a shelf. Even the fruit
and veggies you see at supermuke, I wouldn't buy any
of those. No, they are full of pesticides and chemicals,
and they're like if you eat an apple from one
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of those non organic places, that apple is nothing more
than a cylinder full of chemicals. Your body's got to
process this stuff, and when your body processes it, it's
got to get rid of it. And if you do
that enough and enough, you eat some processed cheese, you
eat some milk in the morning with this cereal, you
eat some white bread, you eat this and that, and
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you eat an apple that's full of these pesticida. Your
body is being hammered by non stop chemicals. It's gonna
cause a problem. And then you drink alcohol on top
of that and then you eat ice creams and cakes
and this sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Mate, forget it. That's why you have problems.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Speaking of problems, so I relate to it again because
I just literally have had three weeks off and this
is why I had to deal with some health issues.
I had to a large cys in my bow that
needed to be removed, which then caused the tear and
the hemorrhaging, and I neglected it. You know, I spent
nearly fifteen years driving b doubles around Australia three four
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weeks at a time, eating shit food, the years of
sticking coke up my nose, and when I drink, I
don't drink beer, so I drink spirits and I don't
get drunk like I just can drink and drink and drink.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I mean, not so much.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I'm a pumpkin at ten o'clock going oh shit about
three drinks. But what damage I had done to myself
and then put in the excessive training, not eating right,
the body not repairing and not healing itself properly caused
me these issues. Plus the last five years, I've had
some massive stress issues that caused my health to deteriorate
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and have this recent scare, and I've only just come
out of the recovery of not wearing a pad between
the bum cheeks for the last week. So you know,
you're very, very on the point of what you're saying.
And the words are the recknecologist or whatever they call
that person. And obviously they had to do the stick
their camera down your mouth, what they correct all that
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sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So and I was able to visually see parts.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Of what was and what was after, and I was
actually shocked at the size of these cysts that had
grown and why I was getting these problems now. And
I was only talking to my son last night. He
loves kim chi, he's raised vegetarian, he's Mum's side of
the family rual veggio.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
That was just what it was.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
He's now started to step into another space and choosing
to eat other foods that are helping his growth and
repair his body because of the high amount of exercise
in rugby league and sporting and it's justifiable, but it
is so important. Everything you just said then is relative
better health and wellness.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
It's true.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
And it's on that note exactly what you said then,
Brent about I had really bad low iron for years
and years, it was just dropping to the point where
the doctor goes, mate, you've got to go get an
iron transfision.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
My daughter has to have any one.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, so I'm knocking one because you know, in the
iron transfusions, from what I've learned from them, they're actually
iron violence. So they're no good for you. That's why
people get sick after they're no good for you.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Can you tell me more about this, Matt, because my
daughter two days ago, she's legally blind and she's so
just turn dating and she's thirty six kilos. God bless her,
she's so tiny. She's now siliac disease, and she's also
iron indeficiency and has to have an iron infusion. And
I'm just now starting to try and understand what this
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will mean.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
So if you know, please, I've been right down this
whole thing and to the point where mine was so low.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
He goes, you're so enemy. My hands were so white.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
He goes, I really don't know how you've got the
energy to keep going your I don't know what the
scale is, but it was like four. It was meant
to be like up here somewhere, But this has been
going for years I was bleeding out my bum so
for years on and off like and then Tommy fixed it.
And I said to the doctor, just let me try
it naturally. I don't want an iron infusion. He said,
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you'll never fix it naturally. You can't, it's too low.
I said, just let me try. So Tommy put me
on this regime. First I had to seal up the bleeding,
which was a real problem for I'm talking like ten years,
fifteen years. And then he sealed it up first with
apple side vinegar, by carbonet soda and this drink that
he made me drink every day. And then I went
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on this whole iron journey for two years. I got
my blood test done, not the last one, but the
last one before that, and the doctor rings me. He said,
I don't know what you've done, but it is back
to normal. And I said, I told you, and I
just did exactly what Tommy said to do. Like I
ate the exact foods. I didn't deviate. I didn't eat
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one thing outside of that. I still don't now, but
he said, I am amazed. I've never seen that happen.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Ever, that's phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
On top of that, with the iron thing, Tommy said,
do not get one, because what it actually is is
they have iron filings in the serum thing. He said,
that's why people get so sick when they have them,
is because the body can't process them. Well, sure it's iron,
but they get Some people get sick for weeks after it.
It's because the body's rejecting that. The body's not absorbing
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it properly. And he said, you end up rusting on
the inside. He says, it can be a real problem.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
This is what's scaring me about allowing my daughter to
go through this process. If there's a better way and
she doesn't want to do it, she just said to me,
said dad absolutely tears, and she's just sitting in my
ope and she's just She's much my world. She's just
like dad. I'd rather live with a ninety fiicient. I said, Love,
you can't. This is not an option. We need to
find a way. I'll give you a number to ring, please,
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because I would be so grateful even to be able
to give her peace of mind that there is better
way and we can achieve it through this natural way,
would be so so good for her.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
That's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Can I just ask you, and I'm curious because of
my issues with the bleeding over the years. And as
you do, you just put it on the shelf, off shit,
you know, like push too hard or whatever, it goes
well and truly beyond.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I like going to the toilet. I sit there with
on TikTok. You know, it's like it's a long push
and it's like, no, good for you.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
No, but this is the thing. Or you get up
and your legs and numb because you've been hang on
for you.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
I'd like to know when you started the wellness program
to better the situation, how long did it take for
you to I guess, stop the hemorrhaging and start to
see that shift.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Two years?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
It was two years.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
About a year to stop it all properly, yeah, and
then another year to just keep moving like that and
that's when the iron fully came back.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
So it's like about a two year journey.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I reckon and it must be done according to and consistent.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
There's no excuse.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
You have to stick to it.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
But on top of that, Brent, like, that's for that,
but that's for life as well. Like I want to
run an optimum every day. That's the goal I've made
for myself. In life, So that requires some serious commitment.
That's why I like, I just don't do anything outside
of my meal plan. My meal plan that Tommy has
done is designed specifically for my bloods. So everything that
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I eat has a purpose. I don't eat conveniently anymore
if I'm not home, like summer sleeps in the middle
of the day, so I make I eat twice a day.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
You don't need to eat more than that.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I've seen you put something up the other day, but
it actually looked beautiful, very green. I'm very wholesome. I
looked at Wow, I'd love to eat that. And I've
seen your fridges too. I like your fridges.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yeah, outline, and I eat these pods. These pods are
so there's Tommy who's a nutritionist, and Mike the pod
Man who's not a nutritionist, but he's come up with
this superfood with about twenty to thirty plant based ingredients
in it, and four of those a day. You could
just eat one, you don't need to eat. I just
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like them, so I eat four of those a day.
Those in themselves have so much nutrients that you would
never get otherwise, Like, surely you can't eat that much food,
But these things. They've got jackfruit, dragonfruit, algae, red algae,
green algae, this stuff full of protein. People say to me,
if you eat two meals a day, how do you
stay like that? I do take testosterone these days, but
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not that much, few meals a week. But my diet
is so balanced and so regular and so consistent that
I don't waiver now like I don't. My body doesn't
go up and down like because I'm eating rubbish two
days and nothing here. So these pods are fantastic. And
then also Tommy has the only license in Australia to
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handmake these protein powders which are gut health oriented or
they're just for gut health. So there's got like four
ingredients in them, artificial, no thicken theess, no muscifies, no flavors,
no nothing. I have one of those at ten thirty
in the morning and one of those after training at four.
That's all I eat. And they don't bloat you, they
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don't do anything. They are amazing.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Are you able to give us the details of that?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Is Tommy okay with that or is this something that
you've got to go through him specifically having a point.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Just buying one line from him.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Oh please, if you will share, they are the best.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
They are the best. And like I've I could save
people a lot of time here. But as in trial
and error, But you don't need as much food as
you think you need. You've got to obviously stay at
a maintenance level. But I just snack on a pod.
I don't eat that's so good for you. I don't
eat meat. That's the other thing I was going to say.
I cut meat out of my diet completely because I
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eat eggs and I eat fish. Sometimes meat is not
great for you, in my opinion, from what I've learned
from Tommy, because it takes eighty six hours to digest
the meat, to break it down, so it sits in
there and your colon is like a dog's tongue on
the inside. This is from Tommy, not me. I love meat.
(34:13):
I loved it. I eats it a lot of it.
But it's like a dog's tongue. So when you eat
it and it sits in there, it actually sticks, and
over time it starts to write in there causes problems.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Ye, I reckon.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
That's one of the reasons my bow got Some of
my bow got taken out because I was eating like
nine times a day, every one to two hours, so
much meat and rice. Like, mate, you don't need it.
I don't need any calves at night at all. I
only eat calves at my first meal, which is sweet
potato rice and kinwa.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
There's a bit of that.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
I noticed. You don't eat is it after six o'clock?
After six?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
You know?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
And you have your structure with your sleep and all
that sort of stuff. Do you believe in like that
intimate fasting of a morning before you then you'll have
their first meal, And do you do you drink coffee
at all? No?
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Yeah, I gave up caffeine completely because it's it's no
good for you. I don't care what people say. They go,
I need my coffee, Well that's great. I need my
injection of cocaine too, but I don't have it.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
It's like, it's.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
True, coffee does nothing for you. It constricts your blood
vessels in your head. It dehydrates you, it ages you.
It gives you fake energy. It doesn't give you energy
at all. It band aids what your tiredness is. That's
it for a moment, but then you've.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Got to put up. People say, I don't get a crash.
You do.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Your body's got process it. Caffeine is not good for you.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
And everybody does bonk, whether you understand it or not.
And the word bonk it isn't like slap slap slap
slap slap bonking as in hitting the wall like you said,
you crash. It's and I use it a term only
from doing half time stuff. Oh you're gonna bonk on
the bike, mate, if.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
You don't feel your body well.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
In my head, I don't want to forget out just
this part.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I used to have two naps a day without fail
in the car because my energy would run out. This
is before any of this, and I would have insomnia,
up and down in the night, snacking in the night.
I don't have any energy problems. Now two o'clock crash
doesn't exist in my life. I get to seven o'clock
at night, it's still pumping away. It's changed because in
here is mitochondria microbiome, sorry, in your gut, and they're
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all bacteria.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Your microbiome.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
How you feed it feeds your mitochondria. Your mitochondria is
motors in your cell. Every cell in your body, THEUS trillions.
Every cell in your body has thrended and twenty zerousand
in every cell. So if you've got a lack of energy,
it's like your car you put rubbish in there. You've
got your motors in your body aren't running right. As
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soon as you work this out and you make changes,
you're feeding your garden properly. Your garden takes the nutrients
it feeds your motors. Your energy is back big time and.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
You're running on high octa BASICAE.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I love the fact that you and people will sit
here and like you said before, you know, with your
Mike Boris interview, people pull you apart. I cop that
shit all the time. There's always someone better that knows
better that whatever. But you have a structure where you
don't have a rest day. You work, you train, and
(37:15):
your analogy of it is because I'm training that particular
muscle in that group all that day, it's got four
days to recover whilst I'm working on other parts of
my body. I love that and it makes so much
sense if you now put that into context with what
we've just discussed in reference to how you fuel your
body and how your body is receiving the recovery and
(37:38):
the nutrients that it requires. You're living proof that this
is actually a workable way of living.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
You know why people find it hard because they can't
friggin be bothered. They just can't be bothered.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well, people like to just follow the trends.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Tour.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah, they want to eat conveniently. Like it takes some preparation.
You got to rewire the way you think if you
want to do it. Some people don't care, they don't
want to do it. That's fine. But to do this,
you've got to go get your blood done, find a nutritionist,
learn the foods, buy the foods. I buy all my
foods from a farm, ninety percent of it. They deliver it,
they keep it all, chop it all up raw. That's
all I eat, the whole thing. I won't go and
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eat a hamburger. Do I want to?
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
But I don't because there's going to be a cause
and effect to that. And it's like, what's the effect.
There's a cost to it. It's going to make you sluggish.
Chocolate love chocolate. I want touch chocolate.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I'm guilty. I'm guilty.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I have insomnia, so I'm prescribed pharmaceutical gummies medical me.
So I just take one at night. But the problem
is I do get a little bit sweet tooth, and
I never was prior, but it's better than taking steel knocks,
and sh'd like that to try and sleep. So you know,
I would love to personally give a go these pods
(38:56):
and also look a little bit more into what we're discussing,
because for me, I would like to find a better way.
And I can see it in you. And like I say,
I was following your journey, see your life or what
you put out, what you allow us to see. But
what I do see is a very energetic, upbeat man
who thinks very very clearly, very calculated.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
But also, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
You admit that you know you can be sort of
off the handle at times. You know that's that way,
and but you're running a successful company that deals with
people on all levels of emotion all.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Day every day, Like you've got to be able to adjust.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
So for you, you need to stay in that year but
also in a neutral position of non judgment. I could
be having a real fucking shit of a day, yet
you're my go to guy. I've got a multimillion dollar
property at for clues that's on there, and you know
you might see a foreclosure it's happening, it's on. We've
got this, this client's coming down. Blah blah, Matt, fuck off.
(39:55):
But Brent, I've been working with you, you know the
last two months, I've put everything Matt, seriously fuck off.
Oh okay, Brent, Look mate, no worries about it. Look,
we'll come back to it when you're feeling better. You've
got to be able to identify that, and to do that,
you can't be in that same state like you being
the pressure cooker carrying the company everything that's going on,
(40:17):
because obviously with all your successes, there's definitely some lows
and I watched you just recently talk about that in
reference to a certain deal that didn't go through that.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Costs a lot of your time, effort, and money. That's
the business.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
So how do you then deal with that and process
that in the best possible way.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Well, be well within you. It's pretty simple, isn't it. Really.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
If you want to be the best version of yourself,
then you need to take ownership of what we do
with ourselves, what we put into our body, and what
we allow to live rent free in our head.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Totally.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
And I love the same preventions better than the remedy.
You know, people don't care until they have to. And
it's just one of those things, you know, young people.
I wish I knew this when I was twenty, like, gee,
it's like but young people think, oh, I've got some time.
I don't really care. That's and it's you know, the
way it is. But you know it's not still something
happens that you sort of go, yeah, I need to
(41:12):
make some different choices. Like I've had a few people
got cancer recently and then all of a sudden they
change your lifestyle. But it's like they're made to, they're
made to. I just want to give myself the best
chance of doing it without needing to.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Well, it's a saying, and I don't know if you've
heard it yourself, but you know, nobody believes in God
until they need God, you know, and when you're your
toughest times, what's the first thing that ninety nine percent
of people do, No matter what religion or you know,
God you believe in, you pray, please God, help me,
police Allah or Buddha, whatever it might be, bring me luck.
(41:45):
We all seek to ask that higher person, you know,
if you will for that help, that guidance, that spiritual
sort of enlightenment.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
You're exactly right. I chase frequency now, so when you're
on this path, your frequency raises and you can actually
access a frequency that hovers. And then when that happens,
things start to go a bit easier, bit better, a
bit more exciting. The thing doesn't happen, right, it doesn't matter.
You're excited inside. And there's a thing called the emotional
Guidance scale, which Esther Hicks has. Esther Hicks is a
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lady that talks about law of attraction, followed her for
like twenty years. The emotional Guidance scale basically is a
scale that shows you where each emotion sits excitement, eagerness, joy,
all this sort of stuff. But down here is worry, fear, anxiety.
There's like a I call it in the zone and
not in the zone. I just want to spend my
life in the zone. But that's not a decision, it's
(42:38):
an outcome. It's like it's a result. It's a result
of how you're living. And you can't pretend to be
in the zone. But when you're clicked into the zone,
well you watch what happens. Life turbo charges literally, So
my whole focus now is. I'm just excited about the
next step, the next step. I can't wait to eat
lunch today, you know, because it's so good the food,
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and it's like I feel so good after it and
I don't even want to wreck it now, So I
live live on that emotion.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
You found your high, You found your high totally. This
is your drug. This is And I know people go, oh,
you can't swap one.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Addiction out for another. Well and have a seat in
the corner and have a real good think about that.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Because you do need to become somewhat addicted to what
you do with passion and drive for you to.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Succeed, of course, and if you're not, if you're not
got that.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Target fifty five, I want to be the best, like
when I say the best on the planet, like michaelh. Hearn,
he's amazing, He's like fifty eight unbelievable. But I want
to be like the top one percent of fifty five
year olds on the planet. That's what I want to do.
That's where my head is.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Can we come Can we come back into this studio
again at fifty five and have this comm No, I'm serious, absolutely,
I want to hold you to that. I would love
to sit down with you in what are you? Fifty three?
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Fifty three? That's a week ago, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Another two years.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Let's just dissect pull it apart and have a look
at how much of a difference.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Likely to do that.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
But when you've got that north Star brandt, and that's
why everyone we're talking about purpose before. When you've got
that north Star and it is my north Star, I'm like,
I want I've got this vision of that. So every meal,
every choice, every StairMaster, this every that, it's all linked
to that. It's not just because like I just want
to eat a healthy meal, I'm linking it to who
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do I actually want to become?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Who am I?
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Yeah? Deep question?
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Well it is and you know, to everybody out there
listening today, ask yourself that question, look in the mirror
and really really answer it. Honestly, I think that if
we could do that, and a lot of people will,
many won't be truly honest with themselves. The answers that
will come back will sit your flat on your ass
and they may be good and they may not be
(44:54):
so good. So then start to balance it up and
bring that to a level that is good. Like you said,
you want to be here. Why because it's good. I
love it and I feel good. What's for lunch? I'm excited?
How good is that? You know? Like you and your
German shepherd, I tell you why, you must enjoy sitting
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there to get out.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
I'm surprised she's not sitting on your lap because she's
everywhere with you there.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
I don't know how to get hear it. She's banging
the door.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Well, animals know.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
It's like children that you know, if you feel that
a child doesn't have a sense about things, than you're
kidding yourself. It's like me and I'm sure you have
hens us still walking this earth today.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Our gut instinct is what's kept us here and our awareness,
you know, And.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
It's it's hard because, yeah, we can change our ways.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Does the past ever leave us?
Speaker 4 (45:49):
No? Unfortunately, it will always get drawn and brought back
up somewhere along the line. Someone will at some stage
throw it back in the mix. Okay, so what But
I know who I am today. I know what to
bring to the table. I know where my purpose is
and where I want to be and where I'm growing.
(46:09):
I think every day and I refer back to that
one percent analogy is if I can be one percent
better today than it was yesterday. That's seven percent better
over the course of a week. Take that over a
month and a year. I'm fucking good. I'm real good,
and life's good, you know, and like, can you ask
for them much more than that?
Speaker 6 (46:29):
That's it, that's all life about. Really.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
I want to ask you before we sort of start
to wrap up. For those out there that listening, I
always ask each of my guests to leave something in
the toolbox.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I call it the digital toolbox, because.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
Over the course of a season, we can put together
from each of our wonderful guests something in their lives
that will have an impact in others. That moment, that advice,
that something that's enabled you to be sitting here now
looking at me with that smile on your face, waiting
for lunch and looking forward to you know, what's ahead
(47:02):
for the rest of the day. What would you do
you suggest to somebody whom, for example, was Matt an
addict basically not wanting to sort of come out face
of or didn't know whether he was going to get
knocked or not in debt to the eyeballs. Yet you
got that opportunity that women come into your life and
open up a door and you walk through it, hence
(47:23):
you being here today.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
I reckon it's the bit of advice I give people.
Is that more of parenting. Logan had a school teacher,
one school teacher he loved, loved Missus Massey Dale. I
ended up selling a house along the line. She's a
great person. She gave me advice that I didn't actually
listen to, and I should have. She said, when your
kids have a problem or are problems.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Logan had a lot. In the end, she said, just
never leave the room.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
And I think, you know, looking back, I probably I
left the room you did.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
So I think.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
Great advice from Missus Massey. But I think as a
parent I've learned just don't leave the room.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
I'm yeah, I'm that's enough. I don't know what to
say that.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Now, you know what, Like, that's a really powerful statement
as of relating father similar situations. And I know that
we're not alone, and there's probably people out there now
that are in a worse situation. Because of the way
the life is and things have changed, and the way
society portrays and sees certain things. It's very very difficult,
(48:38):
especially if you're you're going through those moments.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Matt.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Thank you mate, Thanks Matte, thank you for just being here,
thank you for being so vulnerable, so open. It truly
is an honor, and I think that everybody out there
will definitely be able to gain something from our chat
today and in two years time, I'm going to have
the greatest fifty five year old back on the Clink
podcast because I'll still going still be the best podcast indust.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
I'll send you the details for the pot and the
shakes and stuffy.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
If you could do that, I'd be grateful. Guys, thank
you for listening today. I hope you've enjoyed this chat.
Season eighteen is going to be an absolute cracker of
a season. Stay tuned and remember one percent better every day.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Thank you very much, mate, Thanks mate, see you later.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Cheers for the record. Don't try and make you uncomfortable
for the record. You ain't trying world and stuff for
your for the record, lab on me going hard away
for the record. Ain't trying to lenk No trying to
wash for
Speaker 2 (49:39):
The rugged for the record, for the for the ragged,
for the redon for the regged, for the ragged,
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