From Remand to Redemption - Prince Part 2

After years locked in court battles and segregation, Prince finally walks free — into a world that has completely changed. In this episode, he speaks candidly about rebuilding from scratch, learning how to be a present father, and launching a six-figure business within weeks of release. This is the beginning of his transformation from inmate to entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approach a production.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
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and make you uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Welcome back to part two of my chat with Prince.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
In the last episode, you heard him leave jail and
start his new path.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
You know, when you have that mentality, you get out.
I sort of I you didn't really get out with
that chip on the shoulder, you know, like I thought of.
I could have easily said, yeah, I've done my jail,
I've done a bit of a whack, met some good boys.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I can just move on to fluff now. I've got
a little daughter there.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Got my You look like one of the most humblest humans,
And I mean that's sincerely like you don't come across
as ego driven like.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I said, they're You know, you're not a small man.
You're not a small man like you.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Your presence is very large and you know you know
you're there when you're to turn and go. I've seen
the full pictures of especially when you're in jail. Bro Man,
You're You're a beast. You're an absolute beast. There's no
other way of talking about it. You're a very big man,
very very very very big.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Man, someone that mayoble would step aside.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
If you come through the yard doing laps, you wouldn't
walk straight through you, a simple as that. But I
want to ask you something and this is something that
I also experienced too. When I caught my six years
my wife was pregnant with your son, and here, out
of four children, was the only one that I never
got to see born for the first four years of
his life, I missed.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
How how do you find that today?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Because as a dad that understands that, and I think
it's very relative and I'm I'm sure there's others out there.
My son's birthday was just fifteen two Fridays ago, and
I always find it personally, and I'll say this it
it's the heartbrobe, you know, because how do you look at.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Your three out of four children and then explain to
one of your children why you don't remember their birth?
You know, you can't relate to it, You can't contribute
to the conversation of when you were this beautiful little baby,
and I remember and that gots me bro every year,
and now, you know, like fifteen years, I still am
cut because I feel I never felt. I don't feel

(02:54):
guilty about anything because it's led me to where I
am today, as here we are. You know, I own it,
I take it, and I don't have any regrets, but
that one hurts.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah does man. I sort of made peace with it
pretty early. And then, you know, we always said, even
through this sentence, bro, we're always saying, you know that
I was at work as I work, and I actually
just did a I did a real YouTube video on
it a few months ago, and I said, how I
just have recently told her, after all these years now
that that's where I was. And she she didn't, you know,

(03:28):
even she can read. She take like IL must take
like they can read. They're not kids. She just never
but she didn't even question it. You know, she didn't
even think to us. She just because that's what her
parents were telling hers. She just said, okay, does it work?
But I mean for myself, it's yeah. Look, I don't
think I ever really processed it internally for myself. I

(03:49):
think it was just something that I that was my reality.
That's what I was going through, that was my consequences,
and you know, just put it in the vault and
just there's nothing I can do about it going forward.
Got to keep doing it. And I sort of turned.
I turned cold to a lot of things, not colds
in like an evil cold, but I just I didn't
my emotional I think I was very emotionally intelligent that

(04:11):
I could sort of disconnect myself from these sort of emotions,
you know, and that's what I did to this day.
So it's it's sort of a feeling and I thought
that I don't really I don't really have any energy
to give towards it. You know, I might think about
it like this moment now, and I'll address it and
I'll talk about it. But yeah, aside from that, it's
it is what it is in the most simplest sense.

(04:32):
I can't do anything, and I hate it, and I
hate it. That's the fact. And you know, she'll never
get those moments back, those photos back, those memories back.
But it's it's a you know, for me, I was
always a very accountable person, like I had an accoupability
upon myself. I knew that if I'm going to enter
into a game like this. This is going to be

(04:52):
a part of the game. It's all part and castle.
That's right.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, and you know what, Look, I should have known
that I had an older daughter, and you know I've
got six years for importation. I was looking at ten
and then I'll put my hand straight up, so I've
got me twenty five percent straight off the But no, no,
no other COEs, no enough.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I just put my hand up with me. You got
me controls of devery.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Blah blah blah. In the story, there's no statements, there's nothing,
there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Know you got me.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I'm guilty, I wats my just hurry upsets me. Ten
months later the brief was ready book. I'm out, I'm done.
I'm doing my whack.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's it. I know where I stand.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
So you know, when you look at it from that
point of view, you're not thinking about consequences prior to
that at all.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
You're just thinking about that moment and doing what we
do or did you know?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
But I must admit it does, it has and it's
something that haunts me probably once a year, just a birthday,
you know what I mean the rest of it, I'm
good and I must say, if anything, has probably pushed
me to be a more like he's my best mate,
he's me five, you know, and he's doing unreal And
I'm sure that you and your daughter's relationship is full lockdown,

(05:56):
like that's daddy's girl and yours.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
She loves her dad. Yeah you can't. You can't buy that.
So are we worse off? Maybe not. Maybe it brings
our bonds.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
A lot stronger than the average parent that doesn't have
to go through these traumas and you know, experience these
type of things.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
And I do believe that if you make that effort,
which I know I do, and I know that you do,
to be the best version of yourself for your children's future.
You know, Like I seen something that you put up
and I'm going to bring it up now since we're
talking about the kids, And it was about you know,
you coming out and what you've done first, how you've

(06:37):
started to build what you are now doing, how you
had to sacrifice time again from the family, like people
were sort of asking about, you know, putting time in
with the family because you spent so much time away.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Am I right?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
And what I'm saying, yeah, yes, right, yeah, yeah, So
and your explanation around it was being a great provider
by building that empire, now building something with solid foundation
for then you all to enjoy and grow from. And
it made so much sense because what you're putting in. Yeah, okay,
you might be you know, doing what you're doing a

(07:12):
lot of the time, which takes tot away from the family,
But what's relative is you're a hard working man that's
doing it for his family.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's right, Yeah, that's that's what it's about.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
And right there, But no one else is going to
do it for us. There's no one out there that's
going to walk up to you in it and say, look, hey, Prince,
you're a good looking, healthy man. There's a suit, there's
a corporate position.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
We want you a.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Part of our board, and there's you know, two hundred
k a year.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
You get a company car. Welcome to the team mate.
There we go and I don't remember now.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I wouldn't still half my fucking life. And Joel, if
that was the truth, that's going to like it. Just
it's not a reality, you know.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
And this is the things that I think people need
to understand is, yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
What next when you do come home?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Because without that plan you're going to go back, and
you did go back.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I did well. I mean, look, just just to finish
off on that. You know, my main point on that
my daughter is the way my mindset is around that
is that I could have been there, done them, made
good decisions, been there for the birth, raise to all
those sort of things. But I would have been the
person I am today, no amen, because I would have missed,
would have madain those lessons.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And now I mean, so you're a leader today. You're
giving so much back. I love that. That's actually a
very very good way of looking at it.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, I will never be the father back then that
I would be today if I hadn't missed out on
all those years. So it's just what do you want
to say? It's an investment. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Ant that's what I was saying, you just that's what
I was just saying just before. I think we and
I'm not trying to say that we're better than anybody
else say that.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Please don't ever. You known't even the listeners. I don't
want to take anything from anyone. Everybody's fantastic. If as
long as you're giving, you're making that effort. You know,
when your children with yourself. Nay Am, I take my
hat off to you, because life is a tough.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Road to walk. We chose to do certain things that
made it even harder.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
But on the flip side of that, it's made us
better versions of our parentuarranty. You know, my kids will
tell me our dad, you're a bit strict.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, I'm just not an idiot. I just see things
a lot quicker than what you teenagers say.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
You know, like, I've got fifteen, eighteen, twenty six and
they're God Dad. The kids love you, your mates love you,
But you're a bit strict, you know. No, I'm a
dad that cares only stupid on street wise, and I've
raised your kids that way.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
You're all sporty, apocademic. None of us are in trouble,
and it's going to stay that way because my wrongs
are your rights, you know. And I feel that if
with God's gift and blessing and guidance, these children will
have an opportunity at life that I didn't have and
they don't need to live that life that we live.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's not an option as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
So then it's on us as parents, and you know,
we talk about. I do a lot of mentoring with
troubled us and I've been all over Australia with some
wonderful people trying to develop better, better programs.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Now, the biggest thing is where does it come back to.
It comes back to the court, the home, the parents.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Everyone blames the young kids out there doing this and that,
stealing the cars. Why are they doing it? Because they've
got no love in the home. There's no one that
gives a fuck.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
No one's caring and saying wit Johnny, get your ass
back inside in now and get to your room, or
you know, do something productive within their home. There's no
I love you with a hug and a kiss, you know,
good night, good night my daughter, good night my son,
or good morning. It's it's so much more, and I
think that the world needs to understand it.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
It comes back to us.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
We as a parents have to take ownership of why
a lot of the crime and the youth trouble is
around today. For our young people, they look for loved
That's all they want is acceptance and love.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
That's that's exactly right. Yeah, and I mean yeah, Like
I grew up, I had my mom, and my mom
was beautiful she came about done everything for me and
my sister was that blessed. You know, we're a very
good woman.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
I mean, And I guess the decisions I made was
because I.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Didn't have a man in my life man yep, and
because I was sort of you know, as a young bloke.
He I was looking for someone to follow, and I
didn't have those my Rod models or other professional footy
players for the bank robberts, so I couldn't pay professional
footy players. So I'm going to go and do that.
So I mean, but that's one hundred percent is the parents.
And I guess the reason the message I take from
that is the person I am today. You know, I

(11:18):
have love, I have respect to have human we have
these things, these these values is from my mom. You know. Yeah,
fun Grouse raised with my mom. So the decisions I
made that reflect her as a parent, because the person
I am would reflect her as the parent. You know.
The decisions I made was because of my environment, I guess.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
And I think the thing is too you own it.
You're not making excuses for it.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
You want to So here you are, you You're you're back,
You're in there.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
What's happened now? Prince, I'm back and back in them
back and Adam and so you gotter crack. You've seen
something that you thought you were able to sort of.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, most of all kick going from Yeah, it was
all this.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
This was always I never.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Did anything for the glory, for the fame. It was
always a means to an end from me.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
I wanted to build an empire one way or another.
It was a lot about the dollar signs and you know,
and I realized that, you know, over the years of boys,
I realized that I had a bit of a had
a bit of a brain, you know that not I
guess I'm not an academic brain, but I could sort
of see things diffinitely think a few things differently. And
they sort of pulled it out of me over the years,

(12:23):
you know, made me realize the way I'd have conversations
and listen and listen to how these blokes got down.
I read a lot of briefs too, especially a lot
of the Armor Brie briefs through a Robbie squad and
all that. I read a lot of briefs. So I
became really good with the methodologies and all that sort
of stuff. And I just loved it. Bro To be honest,
I just absolutely loved it. And I just my crime,

(12:44):
like you just built and built and built, and I
just you know, like I said, it was always a
means to whenever I see if I'm going to be
really good at this, but really good at anything, you know,
if I want to get the best out of what
I'm going to do, then I got to be the
best of what I do. And then the way you
can be best, you know, is to to to learn
and you know, learn off your experiences, also learn of

(13:05):
other people's experiences. So that's where I was. You know,
I had a few mates from growing up, a couple
of mates that we became friends inside mutual friends and
sort of had a little little circle. And yeah, I mean,
you know when when you when you're in that world,

(13:28):
you're you don't understand. But when you're in that world
crime and it's a fast life. Oh yeah. And I
didn't have liking. I didn't have an advertising drugs for alcohol,
for girls, for ficking, lovy sort of stuff. I just didn't.
I had my missus, I had my kids, I had
my family. I just wanted to make a lot, a
lot of money. And you had broms and I just

(13:51):
wanted to build the businesses and and I could see,
you know, successful blokes that are done back at the day,
mafia stuff like that, you know what I mean. And
I said, these blots, you know, they're all organized crime.
Look at the employers the build, So why can't I
build that? I mean, I don't have to be showing
flashing because I also saw over the years of boys
that they were living that life. The higher they were

(14:12):
going were quicker they came crashing down. So yeah, I said,
you know, I want that. So the reason that I
guess I me and my crew were so close and
so tight was the no one took drugs, nomal drug alcohol.
Predominantly were Muslim boys, strong Muslim boys, and we just

(14:34):
had a love for our families. We had a love
for each other. It wasn't a game, you know, we
weren't a game. We want a criminal organization as we
were branded. I mean looking you know, I'm talking from
internal perspective. Of course. We we went to each other's kids'
birthday parties, wives and girlfriends, went to dinner together.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
We built companies, legiti and companies together. But we worked
and paid indoor soccer paid basketball, paid touch food. You console,
we were the boys, So.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
There was a lot of normality around what you would
call an extended family. As under said, you were exactly
what you wanted to be, which was a part of
a team and a part of a camaraderie of brothers
that you lived and played for, and that is you
would if you'd made the success with your union, you
would have lived the same life. It would have been

(15:29):
almost identical, except the only difference was you wouldn't have
been putting a belly on and running in with a
stick up. And you know, there'd been no Roscoes. It
was a football, that's right.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
But you know what I also say to people on
the other sides of that coin is that it comes
down to culture. So had I been paying first grade footy,
I probably would have been on the drink and I
will be getting into trouble carrying on like that too,
you know what I mean. Yep, it's the culture, you know,
and it's it is obviously chalk and chasee when you
think about it. But that could have led me into
a whole world of hurt myself, could have ended up

(16:00):
with addiction problems or married marital problems, so I guess
this is the rite I took anyway, so that doesn't
really matter. But yeah, we it was just all love,
to be honest between the boys. And when I first
got out, I actually was working for I got a job.

(16:21):
I said, you know what. When I first got out,
I'm going to go get a job work. I was
driving trucks doing party home and they had to party
higher business and that, marquees and all that sort of stuff.
And I just I was up.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Early, home, late, seek, sometimes sven days of work. I said,
there's a week.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Wasn't saying my family wasn't getting paid that great? Is?
This can't be the old sound life.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
This is not it.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I'm not going this for the rest of my life.
I don't have any skills to fall back on. I
wodn't have a trade, I didn't have degrees. I said,
I'm not biving this for the rest of my Moneymore,
there's that many of us playing that same bird.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Are you got to find your niece and this is
look where we are looking what we do.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, well let's see it. And I mean, look, oh,
no one can take it away from me that I
didn't try. You know, I'll try it and I did
it for a few months and I ended up having
I ended up listing a uh store, like a temporary
store off the truck one day, and I threw my
shoulder out and I had to go for surgery on
it again. So I ended up having another surgery when

(17:27):
I was out too. And after that, I just said,
you know what, every time something I think is going right,
I get a surgery, you know what I mean? So
I said, I I'm not pushing this again. I'm not
doing this again. I'm doing what I like and I'm
doing what I know. And it's as simple as that,
because I'm taking as a sign from the universe stop trying,
you know, because it's not going to work outter you.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
You need brother to do the other thing that you
were doing takes a lot of house, a lot of effort,
a lot of planning, and a lot of hard work.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
And you know what that is.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
I like that, yeah, And I suppose when you put
it in perspective, and then the papous decided to say
thing about me, you know, like you get caught, you
get pitched on importations.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
People don't understand that.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
At that stage in my life, I was good at
what I was doing and I come undone because of
something else, not because of my mistake. I just happen
to put my hand up and cop it and dealt
with it. So that's just the way it goes. But
you know the logistics, the whole anticipation, you know, the
whole process of making it happen, and you know you're

(18:31):
organizing AMB and then you've got to have C and
there's so much on your head.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
You know at that time that you need to make
sure that the ball runs perfectly smooth. And it takes
a lot of intelligence to be able to pursue those
sort of things and do those so even even planning
like yourself, you know, like often people look and they go, oh,
how come you know you're able to do this? Or
you work so hard like for me, like i have

(18:56):
my own business and do the podcast, and when I'm
not busy, I'll jump in b double trucks and I'll.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Drive up sitting in Melbourne. I don't stop.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
I work seven days a week because as as a criminal,
that was my mindset. I didn't sleep, Like I slept,
but I didn't. I was always thinking about the next turn.
You know, we we were Oh goodness, without our I don't.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
I don't need to say, but we we literally set
a platform for many others after it, you know what
I mean. And then when that sort of got red hot,
we'd go pump this and that, we pumped back, and.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
You know, like you just always had something else in
the pipeline.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
We we don't give credit ourselves enough credit for you know,
what we've overcome, what we're doing, because to us, it's
just normal. By this is life threat, you know, we
just we keep getting hurdles, we jump and bone. We
know someone pops up, we step it. We keep moving momentum.
Once our momentum stopped, once we're at emotion, that's when
we stopped. So we're always emotion. But to the average person,
and I've got to say to you that ninety high

(19:54):
ninety percent like they couldn't they I'm not gonna say couldn't,
but it's not something that they would probably even get
a chance to experience. No, So it's I think, you know,
we for us, it's we don't give ourselves love credit
because a lot of people, like I say to people
what I've done in terms of learning how to be

(20:14):
a father, of getting out after you know, such a
big case.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
I love that just to use the word learn, and
I used that same word I had to learn. I
made a mistake with my oldest son, which cost me
a relationship, you know, but I vowed and ever to
make that mistake with my other three children because I
had to.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Learn how to be a dab.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I had to learn how to I had to learn
how to give love and accept love. Yeah, that word's
very powerful, bro very. Yeah, that's that's the truth to
you know. I was learning that.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I mean, you know, I had to do all these
things and start a business so soon after. And you know,
it's just I said to I said to my missress one.
But I said, I don't. I said, tell me someone
that's sort of been, that's done this at my age,
been through young and psycho mimic what they did. I said,

(21:03):
there isn't anyone, you know, I mean, there's no one
who who can I who can I follow it? As
I said, I'm doing this, I'm setting this this path
now I'm young. I'm literally just out after this. My
colleges are doing life. They're going to die in jail.
I've still got police hassling me over rubbish. I've still got,
you know, pro breathing down my neck. Now I've got
a six figured business. After twelve weeks.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I learned how to be a dad. I don't get
out to Scott Free. I've got to pay bills.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
You know, I've got a school fees, We've got another car,
had another baby. This is all within twelve months after
I saw your tax.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
There's all your living expenses, everything I think that normal
people have to experience.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
That's life, that's realized straight, that's it, straight out of
the door. You know, there's no breathing, there's no there's
no Havniman period. I'm straight into the life. So I said,
who who can I ask for help? Who can? No
one knows, No one's been through this, no one can
do this. So I had to take a step back
and say, you know what, you're doing something that is
it's not common. I'm doing. I'm making decisions and I'm

(22:00):
walking a path that is not common at all. It's
it's it's almost an possible path for the majority of them.
You're destined to pay out. You're just another statistic. Basically,
that's what we are saying. We are.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
We are the moment we walk out those gates like
I had three years federal parole and they couldn't believe
that I finished it. You know, But I'm not like
I'm not like everybody else. You're not gonna You're not
gonna break me, and you're not gonna put me in
a position where I'm going to fail to satisfy you.
I'm going to finish my prole. I'm gonna be that person.
And and it was hard for them to accept because

(22:32):
the the more success that you show, the harder they
come down on you.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
They don't want to see you succeed. And that's that's
the that's the I mean, you say that to someone,
to a regular person society, and they just think that
you haven't changed. That's just how our cook thinks. You know,
that's the truth, Shire, just that's the truth. It's actually
the truth. Like I can't we can see here and
say to a black and blue in the face and
people won't even believe it. But it is what it is.

(22:58):
You know, that's the truth and we know it. So
as long as we know it, you know, we can
put a head on. At the ind of the day,
I know that we're given a look crack And if
the was against us, the words against us. We're going
to ask on forward.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
So hey, man, batheron, as long as we keep reaching
out to the man upstairs and you know it put
in God's hands.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
It's it's it's what you've got to do.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
And that's that's just that's just plain and simple. You've
got to have that belief. So you've you've gone back
in your second time. Now let's let's try and skim
over this a bit because I want to move forward
into your real positive part of where you are.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
And guys, now, as i'm very very great, I just
stoke for you. You get see the smaller than it's exciting.
You've just done five. You're a young man, you're out,
like we've just talked about, you've had a daughter in
the meantime. For most they would think that life's pretty good.
You know, you've got a second chance. But hang, boom,

(23:49):
you pinch.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Now.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
I don't want to get into the details of what
was the crime and that and all that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
At the end of the day, you're doing a big
whack again and you were pinched on a serious blue
Let's talk about that and that feeling for you.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, look like I've and I appreciate
that because there is obviously a very sensitive topic. I've
got Coe's you know, co accused in the manner that
that are tabri sentenced to multiple life sentences, three four
or five flu sentences in jail, so they're actually never
to be released, a couple of them. So wow, appeal
processes are in place, a lot of a lot of

(24:24):
guilty verdicts, so people were still you know, they're still
going through the courts proven trying to prove their innocence.
So I totally understand that. Yeah, just very much. Yeah,
you know how it is, bro, Like it's yes, I do,
you know how it is. And but anyway, it was
a massive case, bro, probably one of the biggest in Australian
criminal history.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Transnational organizations. Millions of dollars spent into it.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
And yeah, the morning that came crashing down, I actually thought,
I actually thought I was getting I was getting locked,
to be honest, because I've just been a bit of
a loose in somewhere.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Well I thought I thought we were getting locked because
of the way we were arrested.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
So really that that time, at the time, you know,
TRG and that the pumping doors in dawn raids five
six a m. We got smashed mid day til thirty
in the afternoon, coming with keys into the units, you know,
creeping in you'll fill their stealth mo bro, Yeah, vass
going everywhere. So I am. The last thing I thought

(25:24):
at twelve o'clock on a Tuesday midday is that we're
going to get raided because it's a it's a pre
dawn rate. I hadn't seen anything like that before. So, yeah,
they came in. I was with one of my koe's
inside and two of the other boys got grabbed downstairs
and yeah they I remember they you know, straight down
tas it in the back, straight on the ground. I thought,

(25:45):
just see boots. I could just hear them talking behind
me saying, yeah, we've got one, got too, And I
remember just being faced down when I started praying like
I'm probably going to get get bloody, you.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Know, but GP is not nice on the side of
the faces of boot well, they are just sitting there
pointing straight agare telling you you're you're fucked.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
You've got a real bad day, buddy. I had the
knees just jump out of member of the AFP pro.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
It was like nothing else on my in force controlled delivery.
I swear to this day there was no one.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
There was no one. It was nighttime, it was out
west and so it was there was no one. There
was no trees, there was nothing but lights, camera action.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Well I'm hold, I'm crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Where is this happened?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, bruh, Yeah, it's his level, it is it is.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
And like I just I remember I had my faced.
One of the main things I remember is I had
I was face down obviously, you know, cuffed up, and
I had seen the boots around me, and I slowly
I wanted to suss my surrounding, you know, you know,
I was still thinking, what's going on? Who is it?
What's happening? So I sort of slowly turned my head
to look up and I just had just had one

(26:52):
of the coppers just pointing barrel straight on my face
and he goes, show your f and is your thing
like that? Straight to me? Shut you. I just put
my face straight back down, and I thought these books
aren't going to miss around, especially of what they're coming,
rating on what they're charging on, we're a very high
risk target.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Arrest dell squeeze straight away.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So but anyway, as soon as homicide detectives came in,
I don't be more happy to see police in my life.
So yeah, I was happy, you know. I was like,
in a sense, I was relieved. I was like, you know, okay,
that that parts over, I could just start working on
the next the kernel of the world. And That's how
I've always lived my life. It's always in sections. So

(27:33):
you know, I'm arrested now, but sort of come in
that dundant.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well you know the process too. Now you know where
you're going. You know, you know you're not going to
get your big Mac brought to you yourself. Those times
have changed his name McDonald's, that's right. But also I
knew I knew like at that stage back to the sea.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess for me, the main
thing was that when you're living, like you'd know bro yourself,
when you're living life, it's it's like that. It's it's
hyper sensitive. You know, you your your surge of je
always hyper aware, very don't sleep, You're constantly wired. So
I was like, there's always like I could relax. All right,

(28:12):
I've been you know, we've been arrested for whatever the
allegations are less saying. Obviously, you know, I knew that
I was off the whole time, but I'm not. No,
I'm not doing now my mom and colds. I'm not
doing anything wrong, so I don't care, you know, So
I my mind. Yeah, I just felt this calm come

(28:36):
over me, you know, and I guess it was like, okay,
that that part I've been wired, not sleeping, hyper aware,
super vigilant. All these exhausting feelings and exhausting things that
are over.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I'm in handcuffs and I'm going to jail, so okay,
you know that's it. Now. All I need to focus
on is my case and getting out of jail. I
don't have to worry that what's.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Going on anymore.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
And you know, you know, o case like that, you've
got to be on remand for the next couple of
years or at least twelve day and then months before
it get to mention, and then you're going to give
away for the brief and then there's going to be
yourcuey's and it is. It is just the most longest,
time consuming thing. It's one of those things where you
actually you do it just because you it's a weird

(29:21):
thing when you say that I totally relate, Like, for example,
we've gone down the controlled delivery, so it's a public knowledge,
so I'll talk about it briefly. But one year I
was off on the Friday, but I was lying down
the Sydney to the shipping container at a yard out
at West Sydney out of Camden, and I just I

(29:42):
went through with it.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
All I said to someone up here is look after
my missus and kids. And he's like, what the fuck
is That's all I said. No one knew what my
left hand on my right hand was doing. I knew
that I was off, and then all of a sudden McCoy,
who had no idea, picked me up from the airport.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
He's driving me out there.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Next minute we're heading out doors like Camden and Campbelltown
way from the city. There's an AFP car coming that way.
It doesn't belong out there. So instantly off like I'm
no one straight up there there there following their watching. Yeah,
but I still I still pretended like I it was nothing,
you know, and so I went to.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Where I am.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
As soon as I cracked the shipping container, I knew
they just come out of nowhere. But it was almost
like it was the middle of winter and it was
cold out Camden.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
As you know, yeah right.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I truly relate to what you mean, like as is
intense and as full on as it is. I knew
that whole weekend. I didn't sleep at all on yours off.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
At some stage I was going to jail, but someone
had to go and present themselves to shut this door.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
And it just so happened that that was me. So
the only way the door that was going to get
shut was me turn up. Knowing THEMN well, I was
walking into a trap. I had to bro I had
no that was just water feels, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
You know, you're sort of sitting there and at that stage,
like my missus was pregnant, and you know, you sort
of didn't you think, Okay, I can't control anything anymore.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
That's out of my hands. So you just did that
and you switch off.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
That's it, and like you said, you start to actually sleep.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, we were. We were in Abu planes and I'm
not joking you. Like I slept for about three days,
like up and down toilet and whatnot. But I think
I slept about three days straight just from adrenaline and anxiety.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Exactly why we just did adrenaline, the the shock, a
greeneral wear enough and.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Just being so exhausted, and just I actually just felt
I felt comfortable right like I was just you know,
I had I had a bit of a comfort in
jels well you know what I mean. It's I don't know,
I just I just felt, you know, I just felt comfort.
I felt good at peace that that that whirld wind

(31:52):
was over. And you know it's it's hard li when
outside too, especially when you went around and carrying on.
It's not hard. I shouldn'tay hard, but it's it's exhausting.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
It really is, and especially too for our ones. And
this is where we forget sometimes, you know, like you
and we.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Both have staunch women that have obviously done the walk
with us, you know what I mean, raised our children
and you know, turned up for visits, made sure there's
money for buyops every week telephone calls. People don't really
see that side what or think about it, especially the
younger crew that haven't done solid whacks. Any come and
doing drunk slag and anyone can do this then on
your head, but really realize that you ain't going home

(32:33):
and it's years ahead er, there's a lot to think about,
and unfortunately you do, so you become you know, it's
almost like a godsend and a bit of a slap
in the face, you know. It's that that moment of realization,
and you know we take it for granted, but it's
the loved ones out here that are doing it rock,
not us. Yeah, and I mean, yeah, that's exactly right,

(32:56):
and you know you can't help.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
But in those in those moments, obviously I'm thinking about myself,
like I've been pinched. I'm saving things to myself for
I'm going to Joel, I'm doing this. I can all out.
I could attendance. But then then it kicks in. Oh kids,
you know, fuck you know, and we were all over
the news. So we as soon as we got the
similarity that every TV in the thing was just asked
everyone yeah, yeah, So I mean my missus already before

(33:20):
I got to speak to him, they alreadyknew, you know,
just from the news. I think my father in law
colder and said, why is your car fucking all over
the news? You know, breaking news, And they would.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Have pumped it up like it was the most terrible
thing in the world. You would have been as looked at.
It's like scum, you know what I mean, sad, it's
and it is beings a similar opinion and objective, you know,
like it's just.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yea and all that. Yeah, I spent I spent six
years on remand so yeah, yeah, that's my person remind
for six years. But due to the complexity of the matter.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Well.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
And so let me let me let me just ask
you this or are you doing six years which for
those that don't understand, when you're in custody, pretty well
that's what they called time serves. So you're doing the
six year sentence more or less there and then which
can go in your favor if you're guilty or you
plead guilty. If you're found guilty, well that's a whole

(34:18):
different board game.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Again, six just ends up doubling again and whatever else
goes on top.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
But had you pled not guilty or were you pleading
guilty at this stage? Did you know where it was
erection you were heading?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Or yeah, I mean I was. I went the Supreme
Coppel about four or five times because the problem was
that every year there were Section twenty five and I
was taken us to the cop shop with more charges
for us. So every year I had more charges laid
on me. For about five years, I was getting charged
for something else. I go to court just as I'm
about to go to a committal or get an hearing
date the charge of something else. So they kept moving

(34:53):
the goalpost for six years. Wow. So I mean I
didn't know, like, I honestly didn't know what my future
looked like. I couldn't even plan for it because as
soon as I start looking into a bail application, after
like four years, I think I would another one. I said,
let's go for Supreme Court. And that's been four years.
They've listed our trial for twenty twenty six. That's another
two years. I said, let's some let's go for us. Sorry,

(35:15):
that's ano about six years by the time I said,
let's let's try and go for bail. So I'd go
for bail, and then they actually on that last time,
my lawyer came to seeing you because we're pulling the bail.
I've already been four times. I said, why it's been
for freaking you know, I think this was just about
four years. And I tried, that isn't for another two years,

(35:35):
because well, they've just cracked the blackberries. They set up
your blackberries over to the United States and they just
cracked them with the FBI. So that was like first
that had never happened before, you know, So I said,
you're kidding me. And years they have just gotten into
their allegend they've gotten into six blackberries and their alleging

(35:56):
that they've just got two of muance opened in America
at the moment, So we have to pull the bail
in my baill. This a show causes, you know, show
cause you know, ive been in your mine for four years,
another two years for a trial day. That's six years
waiting for a day in your hall. That's too long. Anyway,
they sent over these intentions to shut for charges based

(36:19):
off what was found on these black berries, which was
going to be a whole mother court case in itself,
and I mean, yeah, they just kept the gold posts,
just kept moving. And I mean in that time, you though,
because it was a high high profile matter and spent
a lot of time in Segro and all that sort
of stuff too, you know what I mean. So it
wasn't because of my behavior. I wasn't paying up enoughing

(36:41):
was no, no, no, no, no, no, It's just it's.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, yeah, they just don't. They don't want to let
us out here, let us out there.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
There's this you can't ad that one is the wone.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Let you mix with your koe's that won't let nothing,
you know what I mean, you're totally separate. And people
don't understand that that NA isn't always you're a dog
or you're no good and that is put on you
because it is something that you with so many koeis,
is a be all.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
They name from each other, not by choices, but actually
the system. There's the squad would have had just that's
it never to be in the same wing yard whatever,
so naturally is stamp in then NA. Now people people
that got to start understand and this is where a
lot of people are actually end up in trouble because
of these politics. They don't get to understand the truth

(37:26):
behind some of this. You know, there's a different, Yeah,
big difference. I mean, that's I think for me, I
was sort of lucky.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I didn't really have to go down those question marks
because everyone knew the case and everyone we were all
in the same position. But for the average, for the
average JOE that is a young member or has an
association issue, or even people putting the nas on other people.
You know, they get stuck in people saying, you know,
if you're down there, like I'll be done in SEGA
units with the regular SEGRO boys that are always on

(37:52):
you know, Section ten terriers and Sega and there, and
they know who I am when I come down because
they know me and that so there might be someone
comes down and that's stuck calling out who are you?
What are you downing for? You know what yard were
you in? Who was there? Questioning them? But why down here? Yeah?
And that's right, you're hiding.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
And that's the first thing, you know, it's that instinctual
thing that if you're not one of the boys or
you're not in the click of a crew that they
know of, you're instantly got to You've got to back
yourself and prove yourself out of whatever, you know, and
they're trying to sort of say that maybe so.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
You you've how long did you get or did you
get found not guilty? Or I mean so I ended
up taking a deal. Okay, so I took a deal
because my trial date was my trial was actually when
last year last year was the trial date for the
boys and a couple of boys had run some of

(38:44):
the trials, beaten a couple, some had plied to some
some have gone down. So where I was at, I
was in a bit of a I had a bit
of an advantage to where I was at to I
was sort of distant from a couple of the main charges,
but brought in on a couple of other main charges.
It was just it was a mess.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
The whole thing was just but you weren't happening for example,
like what's from my other three cohees, you know what
I mean? Like we just had to we went to
a committal trial. Three out of four of us took
the committal trill to pursue that angle, and one didn't
by choice, which is all good. It's forever reason.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
It's not a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's just how that particular person chose to do his
thing for you. Obviously, it was a little bit similar,
was it. You had option to not be as one
under one trial. You could in vitalize your own cases.
We had several.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Supplications going off for about four years to get separate trials,
and we had several supplications smock back, and we had
the appeals.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
That the severance things. It was just so many, so
many different loopholes.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Then there were district cot matters and there were Supreme
cod matters because I had you know, I had nearly
almost every charge you could think of, minus the scumbag ones.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
So it was because we wonder so many different jurisdictions
in courts to every matter was running individually to itself.
So I sort of got to a position role like,
all right, it's been this long. I know I'm going
to be you know, some big ones based on the evidence.
And my lawyer said, one hundred percent, you know a
Cowi's bed and that already off the same evidence. So

(40:17):
I said, listen, what you know. By the time, actually
one of my lawyers apposed me, I went through about
three or four legal teams over the years. During that
that matter, my last one that I got sentence with.
He said, look, it's been it's been five years at
this stage. Your trials the mist for another year and
a bit. They said, hell, let's just see what we

(40:38):
can get. If we can offer something, get a plague,
I get.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Something wrapped up, you know, and because the crowd and
be looking to throw on the book at you'd be
looking at double spear.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
It's high doubt.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
By the way you're talking in the limitum raman, you're
looking at somewhere up around the twenties.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I thought, you know, if I if
I go down all these charges, I'm starting at twenty three.
So we said, look if we can. But I know,
I know basically evidence the case. Anything I was worried
about was tild by media, you know those sort of things.
So obviously you know if I go if I want
a case with Cooey's, we want to try it with Coe's.
And we sit there and everyone knows the case, whether

(41:16):
they say they do it, they don't, they do It's
it's very risky. The risk is very high.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
So my legal said, look, have a chat to the boys,
tell them that you're thinking about putting a thing in.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
And I would always do that first. I would.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I never took any plea deal some of my other
COEs to that without the.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
As sometimes you can't, but because then you implicate their
opportunity that are not guilty.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Always Basically, by you put your hand up for something
in a connection, can then put them in a position
of guilt without their media to have an opportunity to fight,
which is not okay, listener out there, you're not given
your KOI up. It's not that you're a dog or
you're no good, but you're putting your ki in a
very vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Position with They don't have that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
So this is this is where a lot of people
don't understand and get it wrong. They think of themselves
and they're not thinking about the bigger.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Picture, how the law works.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, you have to be, especially in matters where you're
talking you know, life or death.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
You have to be on over it. And now I
got all this in writing, and I said to my legals,
I don't want to be made a compellable witness. I
don't want anything, you know. And once I got you know,
the law associated stuff, and they got it all in
writing and nothing none of my please because obviously you know,
unchallenged the facts too. When I took a deal and
nothing but one side was once I had in writing

(42:35):
that it was confirmed and nothing that I did would
affect my cooques in any way, shape or form. I said,
all right, let's start, let's start narrowing down on the steel.
Make it about me, Yeah, it's about me. Yeah, so yeah,
and I mean, you know what, and I said to
my lawyers, they go, the worst that they can do
is to call you as a compellable witness. And that's
the worst thing that they can do, because if they

(42:56):
put me on the stand, I would have just I
would have made a mockery. I would have made a
circus of the case that's gone as truth. I would
have I would have brought up the defamation. I would
have brought up the corruption. I would have brought up
the lines and the fabrication that we had uncovered. And
they would have had to dismissed the jury and they'll
do it over and over again, and I would have
done it over and over again too. It so the
last thing that want is me into witness box. Yep.

(43:17):
So you know, I had no worries that I was
never going to affect anyone by my decisions, and that's
that was my main concern. My number one concern was
that my decision would not hurt anyone else in going
through court proceedings, and once that was confirmed legally in writing, yeah,
I took a deal, and the deal wasn't even that great,
to be honest, But the wather my lawyer worded to me,

(43:39):
was saying, look, we can sit on Romand for eight
nine years, or we can get you out, or we
could get the out of jail. Yeah within twelve, and
he goes. You got to remember, if we get your
plea over the line in the next two years, you
could be serving the next couple of years out in
your cepasso, or you could be sitting in Remand in
sant Grocel's dancing a road.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Whell you've done seventy five fiftdays, so that's exactly right.
Your wax pretty well around the home of stretch. So
to speak to a lot of people, that'd be like,
what years, Rah, that's mad.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah, that's fast, Yeah, one hundred percent. So I'm thinking,
I'm I'm in my head, I'm saying, look, if I
get anything over twelve on the bottom, I'll be I'll appeal.
If I get between ten or twelve and the bottom,
I'm sweet, that's all right because I'm still under five
to go. I'm still seeing one of least I can
go kick back on my feet up. So that was

(44:31):
the way we got it. How's the way.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
But you've got to think when you're thinking about, like
you know, ten years was a brick.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Was a life sentence. You're talking about two life sentences. Literally,
life's life now. But you know, yeah, but I'm a
young young man.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Your whole world is outside of those walls, your future,
your your family, and you've got to make this decision
what's best for you right now?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
That's exactly what I did.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I went outside the wall and I spoke to my
family and I said, you know, I spoke to my mistress,
I spoke to my mom.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I spoke to my coe's families too, and you know,
they all said, take the deal.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Don't run the risk. If you can get twelve years,
eleven years, ten years, don't, don't run the risk. It's
not worth it. You've done half that already. You've done
six years. Now, why you're gonna Why are you going
to risk like you've done six years?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Do ten?

Speaker 1 (45:24):
You know what I mean? And what's another four?

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Done?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Six? It's another four for another twenty.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yeah, So and then straight back to an A one
and then you're straight back into it.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Nah, that's it. And then and then you know, not
just that, like the other thing was the complexity of
the matter with me, and I'm actually this is a
current topics, so I can't talk too much of at
the moment, but now you're there was there were things
that I actually didn't do that I had to play
guilty to because that was the only deal that given. Yep,

(45:56):
i'd so you understand that I didn't want to play guilty.
And I said to my boys, I said, I didn't
do this. I didn't in my heart of hearts, I
did not do this. And my low said to me, look, sometimes,
you know, sometimes you've got to take the good of
the bad. He's still it's the law. Do you take
that with the bag? Come on, you know, And this
is the thing that people just don't understand, and this

(46:19):
is honestly that this is the truth. So you know,
I literally pled to something that I actually did not do.
I had I did not do one of my charges.
I went down on a few charges, but one of
them I did not do. So I had to, you know,
take it, take a deal on it. To get the deal,
I had to put my hand up and I said,
and I had it all invited, and I said, look,

(46:39):
this is a deal of convenience, it's not a deal
of kilt.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
I'm not taking this Plague deal because I'm guilty.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I'm taking it because it's convenient for my situation, for
my circumsciences, which they weren't happy with because it sort
of didn't make me look like I had much. Ah
what's the word contrition? I guess, you know, But I
said my thing else to put my hand that it's
not about whether I I'm sorry for what I did
or if I'm not sorry or this or that is.
You guys are playing by this rule of convenience. So

(47:07):
you know I paid by a rule of convenience. Yeah,
so I ended up taking a deal I got. I
actually got sentenced to had a seven year nondbury, which
is actually crazy. I couldn't viave.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I'd say that again, brother, you go what Yeah, seven
years on parole on the bottom, so you.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
As got a year to go I technically yeah, but
because I was on parole, they didn't backdate me an
my parole So you were doing Bob as well?

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, I was doing my bop too, so they added
run in the top.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
So and they knew that when they sentenced me, they
wanted to me to serve a figure and that's you know,
which was fine, Like I said, anything under under talk,
I would have been a bit spuweled with the because
I took a deal to something I didn't do for
one of my childes too. But anything under under ten,
I said, you know, science still to live it on
walk away now.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
So once I heard that it was I was serving
under ten, I couldn't stop smiling, to be honest, And
you know what, I'm not going to say. This says
in a smarter ass way, but it's it's one of
those things that you can only understand or explain if
you've gone through. I remember being at the Downing Center
getting sentenced, and I started my my missus in the back.

(48:16):
She was out here, and all of a sudden, the
judge starts me at ten. And that was the first number,
you know what I mean, And I knew there was
coming down, coming down, you know. That was that was
a head you know what I mean, if anything, And
then all of our here in the back I was
and I had to turn from the dock and go
they you know, like it's all wall, it's all good,

(48:36):
and like it's not all good?

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Right? Is that years?

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Six years and sixties?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Ten years is ten years. It's a fucking long time.
There's nothing good about it at all. But in that
I was like, it's mad, mad mad. Next minute, I'm
looking at it.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
A six and I'm like, you know, like I'm actually
feeling good that I just caught that whack. And then
you know, I'm like, but you can't explain that because
it's something that you want to talk or glory for
or speak of in a positive way, because there's nothing
positive about it. What at that moment it is it is, uh,

(49:14):
it's a relief. And then you can't help but go
thank you. But when the alternative was twenty five, twenty
six years a hundred, you know, it's it's.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Some hundred.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
I knew from them. You know, my lawyers, they they
were actually they were obviously very happy with them as well.
But yeah, they I mean, mind you, mind you I
have like you, I prove the record. What are these
charges that I got that time for I didn't even do?
So yeah, I'm certainly.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Time for something I literally didn't do in this. In
this you know, I actually did not do one of
the changes that I had to.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
So, you know, he said, he's got to say, I
assure you can go back to the wing with these charges,
said that was going to think you're no good, you know,
with this time he's laughing, So I said, I could
I kicked such a goal that he's making a joke,
you know, saying people got to think about you to
get these others. Yeah low, they're too low. Yeah, yeah,

(50:11):
they're too low. But yeah, you know, I mean that's
that's you know that the way we we went back
and forth with facts, and we went back and forth
for a long time, getting it as my role as
low as possible as you know, which is why I
laugh when they call it the justice system, because it's
just a game.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
You know, it's all a game, as you know, I'm
just gone through it, brother, and it's all politically motivated
and drian for a purpose, and the purpose is to
break you and have you your your relationships broken and
destroy everything they can get money you you yeah, one
hundred percent, Like I doesn't even want to start all. Yeah,

(50:48):
I'll be doing an episode on my last five years
shortly because it can be some of it can be discussed,
but you know, like it's is a tough road to
every day wake up to it and then know that
you know, you just keep going backwards and this notice
thing you can do about it, but hang in there
and just keep keep faith and know that you're not guilty,

(51:09):
and fight it to the end, because if you don't,
and I explain this to someone the other week, there
is a lot of men and women in jail that
just get halfway through things. It becomes too expensive. They
can't get assistance. They're they're not guilty, but they go,
you know what, fuck it, I'm going to go do
the time. I'll get a couple of years, I'll be out.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
It's all over. It's behind me. I don't have to
worry about any more money, this and that.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Like and it's like I I've never been that person
to plead not guilty to something. If I'm pinched, I'm pinched,
all right, Let's just deal with it. Lock me out,
whatever I kick on with it, get through it, get out,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
But you know, when you're not guilty, and you know
in your heart you're being pushed into a corner for
other reasons and purposes, you've got to stand your ground, burrow,
and you've got to You've got to make sure you
hold You've got to hold yourself accountable and be strong,
for you have family and everyone else. You know, I
want to I want to jump straight into to the
now because it's starting to get a little bit late

(52:04):
for you, and I thank you very much. I know
our time difference is there. You're a family man.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
But I want to talk about and to all the listeners,
thank you for taking the time to be patient with this,
because it is a very interesting story, this one, and
as you can probably tell, there's a lot more behind
it from Prince's point of view. Out of respect for
him and you know, the current situations and Coe's, we're

(52:30):
not going to go into any further, and I want
to talk about the positive things that Prince is doing now.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
And you've been blessed.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Honestly, God is on your side and God is good,
because brother, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
You've come out, You've come into a world. Now.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Let's remember guys that Prince is not someone that's been
around technology a lot. You know, he's been locked up
for what in total was it's fifteen yeah, right, so
fifteen years. So much had changed. I remember when I
was sitting in Sego and they come on to the
Sunrise TV show and it was the new Apple iPhone.

(53:05):
I'm like, what is this because the only ones we
were using with ah, what are they? Just you typed
on them, you said, up before they started with big
BlackBerry blackberries blackberries?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Where a gay you know what I mean? Or the
old the old frog away, Yeah, you know what I mean.
So things have changed massively now here you are. You've
come out and you've you've definitely turned your life. That's
one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
And I'm not just saying that because it's something that
you feel that you know, we need to look, you
wouldn't be sitting here now having this conversation because it's
not it's just not you know, a part of that
life to talk about what we're talking about as such
with respect. But you're talking, and we are talking and
doing what we're doing in aid of helping others to

(53:51):
not go down the roads and the paths and make
the choices that we make because there is a better way.
And you've created a platform and I'll let you talk
about it because there's so many little octopus arms on
your little your little I can't I'm trying to keep.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Up with it all, but I'll let you talk about it. Yeah, Well,
I mean just just on just off the back of
what you were saying, Well, I can and can't say,
just due to your regalities at the moment, but there
is I am going to start. We are on the
process of being able to have a few things that
my story will be getting up there shortly in the
near future with more detailers and some of the things,

(54:28):
and you'll be one of the first people that I
know anyway when.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Thank you, but I appreciate that after that, and the
door is open too, we can always go in for
a part two. And I think that this will be
a lot of people very curious about that, so thank
you for honoring that.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
No, no, no, I'm definitely but yeah, it is coming.
It's just you know, it is lucky you're saying in
this text point it's so neat to me. But I've
been on on one for that's six months now, so
it's just what the fun most part is.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
You even said clearly to someone the other day, someone
reached the out there said, oh, who do you pay
to film this?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Didn't you?

Speaker 3 (55:00):
You do it?

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Or yourself?

Speaker 6 (55:02):
So going onselves, well, look, this is where you know
to work out who you were as a man, your morals,
your standings, your mindset, go back to our beginning of
our conversation.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
You're not any different to the person you were then
you made That's exactly right. You made choices that changed
your life. But here mentally, you're still the same highly
intellectual human that will put in one hundred percent and
what you're given now is one hundred and fifty percent.
And you've had to be self taught. You're back in

(55:35):
yourself and you're given people hope.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Brother, that's it. I mean, look, you said it perfectly,
and it's exactly what I say to people. I haven't changed,
you know, I haven't changed me at all. I still
pay by the rules. I don't talk out of school.
You know, I'm still I still have the same values
and morals that I've had growing up. I just make
different decisions now. I make different choices because I've over

(55:57):
the years, I've matured. I've seen you know, I just
I've been I've been introduced to the world by some
good people that have come into my life, and they've
said to lead the you know, I know that there's more.
I go back to the same thing. At the end
of the day. It's all that means to an end.
All I want to do is build an empire for
my family. That's all I want to do. Now I've

(56:19):
become more you know, I've become what's more bid, My
my eyes have opened up to what's actually possible in
terms of, you know, what what I can do, And
it's more about leaving a legacy now rather than building
this this realistic empire. You know, the legacy that that
I want to leave is bigger than the empire only,

(56:40):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
So with that, you know, they're less. Let's let's be real.
It's no, they've got to pay the bills.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So, yep, I'm now my eyes have gone into business.
They've gone into ways where I can monetize different things.
But it's just there's no life in crime anymore as
far as I'm concerned. It's it's the cops that too smart,
too tire evented. Yep, I say the same thing. You're
an idiot, and if you think you're going to out smart, look,

(57:11):
let's just so we can get off the criminality side
of this, because it is something that is our past,
but it must be spoken of.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
I strongly believe they never had the money to be
able to do the things that they have the money
for to do today. The amount of money they've impounded,
the multi multi billions, not millions, billions of dollars cash
and they're still full. And you know it just it's
reinvested into fight and crime. You're silly if you think
you're going to outsmart them at the levels that they've got,

(57:40):
the networks that got.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
It's not possible to beat the system.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
And I remember, I remember, actually years and years and
years ago, walking up and down the yard and an
old head said to me, goes, Bro, you've got to
learn to kick along with shit, he goes, because you
will not beat the system. The system will always beat you.
But you can play the system to your advantage or
the system will absolutely and I won't.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
We'll f you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yeah, And you know yourself, like back in the day,
it was like, yeah, screws this that you can't have
that attitude, you can't have that mindset. It gets you nowhere.
You know, you've got to start to realize. And you said,
just a minute ago, you've matured. You now have realized
the value of life. And I feel that that's the truth,

(58:27):
you know, because looking at you, talking with you, I
know more about that I'm speaking of in reference to
what we're talking about. That man, Brah, that's you know,
mug you know, I mean, you're you're you're a very strong,
hectic man when need to be.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Now I say that in praise because now you've put
that to good use and you are a very strong
leader right now that is doing some wonderful things with
you know, the young people of today and just I
think it's.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
To walk the path you've walked. Yeah, at your age,
you have.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
My respect for you is so far up here because
it doesn't happen like you said. You know, it doesn't
happen people like you.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
It's not it's not meant to be this way. Yeah,
you're winning, you're winning. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah, Well, I mean, look, it's it's for me to
matter adapting like you move with the times that you
get left behind. And if for me, if my main concern,
my main goal is to provide, to be a provider
for my family. If you're going to tell me that, hey,
how about I tell you you can make X amount
of money and you can sleep at mine and you
don't have to look over your shoulder. But you don't

(59:41):
have to tell on people. You don't have to, you know, ach.
You don't have to talk out of school? Would you
take it? Of course you're going to take it. Was that,
and That's what I'm doing. I'm not changing, I still,
I'm still me. I just know now that if one
shift my you know, shift my thinking, my mindset, shift
my energy, my time into something that's sustainable. Why am

(01:00:01):
I not going to do it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
I put so much time, effort, blunts into things that
I'm not sustainable to build a future. You're telling me
I can do the same thing and have a sustainable future.
Should not do it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
It's that SI, and we can become the best at
it because we know we're being the best at what
we had to do before, which is ten times harder
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Brother, this is it's not easy, but once you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Understand the method around the reward of hard work, and
like for me, if I'm not working six or seven
days a week, and I mean it's sincerely, I get dirty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Bro, Like I want I want to work. I want
to I want to know that I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Going out there tomorrow to do a job and get
paid for that job through hard work and sweating blood
whatever else comes, you know what I mean. Like I've
earnt that my family's getting it because of my hard work,
you know, and sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
To find That's what what I mean define hard work.
You can't tell me what we were doing back and
the day wasn't hard work too, you know what I mean.
That's my point. Yeah, we're not shy. We're not shy
of hard work whatever. For whatever. The outcome is hard work,
hard work. We're always were workers. We're earnest will work is.
We're always going to look for a way where we
can work hard for an outcome, you know what I mean.
It's just a different work and it's a different outcome.

(01:01:12):
So it's what is what is the work you're doing now?
Because they'll tell you what You've got a good purpose.
Let's get to that purpose. Yes, so right now, Look,
the main thing I want to do is I don't
want to get caught up with me trying to tell
the next generation what to do and what more to do,
because had someone said that to me when I was
a kid, I'll tell them to you go get stuffed. Yeah,

(01:01:35):
So I think, you know, I look at I look
at the youth space, just the space, and there's a
lot of people do some really good things out there
there is The things that I sort of want to
bring now is that I want to be able to
have receipts. So I got out of a prison. Within
twelve weeks, I started a six figure business now and
we're scaling and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Going really well. Within twelve weeks. I had no idea
about the industry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I had no one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
I didn't know anyone in the industry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Are you felling Asahi bowls too?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I'm selling a say Bahad, but I could, I'm serious,
I am, I was injury enough.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
No, no I have but yeah, yeah, well desserts, desserts
and assietys and pancakes and the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
So well, when he said that, because I know every
every knock of our blake that I know, he's having
a cracket some sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Food industry and it's generally around the other side and
everyone's kicking goals, it's man, well you know what it's
because it's that same it's the same hustle as to say,
it's the numbers guard. So it's on volume, volume based game.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Are you happy to are you happy to say your
business or you prefer to keep it off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, it's called purple Prince Purple Princes Purple Prince, Purple Prince.
Have a look at it, Purple Prince.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Yeah, is that the one that whiz whiz has been
at before?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I'm not sure with them, you know, to be a
lot of boy come down to here. No, because I've
seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
He doesn't promote much, but when he's I'm sure I've
seen it there, ye have a look on that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Is he in the area?

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Where is it? It's in right? Okay? Beautiful? Yeah, yeah,
it's about two minutes from top Ride, yep. But yes,
I mean the point of that was, I had no
idea about that business. I knew. I actually got told
what the side was. I didn't even know what a
sign was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
My mate said to me, I have a look at
this thing, you guys, it's a it's a good business.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
You know, it's fun. You know, you can get you
can be involved and make it what you want. So
I had to look into it, and I'll tell you what,
it's actually a much harder business than the thing to run.
There's a lot of you know, they go up and
they go down just as quick, and that's you. You've
got to have a lot of thought and what you do. Yeah,
And that's I looked at it and I said to

(01:03:56):
myself when I was starting and watching YouTube videos and
the machines and all this stuff, and I thought, if
I can make this business, do it really well at
the start a good six months. It's going to run
itself in six months and I know that, and it's
going to give me time to work on what I
want to work on, which is this. So I knew
that it could be sustainable business model. And it's easy
to scale. You know, it's very easy to scale.

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
You know what I want to people for one of
my new shop, my new jo there is there's no
Manu sha brother, what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
A mist sake.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
You got to give the people what they want. In
my area, there's no as shops.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Magine coming Bolka seeing just in one little suburb. You
got this tiny little hole in the world. All is
is an oven and two people working there broad just
pumping out manusha with that long.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I beg, you know what. This is exactly the conversation
I had with the mate before I started, and say,
I don't know what you should start up with work
shop and the tiny I need some of your connections.
It's literally that's simple. But anyway from that that for me,
a lot of people spun out. Look, whatever the business was,

(01:04:57):
whatever the industry was, the fact was that I got
out after you know, all this time, I had no
idea about technology, no idea about the way the world works,
how customers work, how customer services, taxes, all this sort
of stuff. And I just learned within twelve four to
ten weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
And it's it's still out seven days a week, right,
and it's felt really well. And the point of the
point that I'm making is that I don't want to
go out there and tell this next year and she's
what are you going to do?

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Do?

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
You just don't do that gel shit. People are bad
copples or this and whatever it is, because they're not
going to listen to you, because I want to listen
to them. I want to be the person who says,
listen if I can tell you that, I'll teach you
how to get to where I am, and I'll give
you the tools, and I'll give you the skills, and
I'll teach you the mindset that you can build yourself
a future for the film and you can still be
one of the boys.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
But I still go happy. You know, I still drive
a nice calf the boys. I'm not you know, I'm
still I'm still very relatable. I haven't turn my back
on everyone and everything that I know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yesn't that better off? Just because you're doing well, you
still want to lay boys? Still one of the boys,
and you know, I'm just not involved in criminal activities. Yeah.
So if I can say to them, listen, you still
want to wear it because it seems to disday and
age and driving, ask having nice watch, skating iced in
the places, stuff like that. I say, mother, you can
still do that. If what would you say? If I

(01:06:11):
could teach you the skills you know, and give you
a mindset that you can achieve this stuff and you
don't have to go to jail, you don't have to
worry about edyone in one, you don't have to wear
all this stuff, you know what I mean. So that's
that's that's my that's my intentions at the moment. I
want to be able to build myself up, keep scathing
my business, keep being you know, having engaged in being
engaging on social media so the people can say this guy,

(01:06:33):
actually he's lifted and he makes me talking about and
if I follow him and he will teach me how
I can get myself to a really good position. And
I can and I don't have to be a square
to do that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
The boys, I love that, And this is why I
was so excited about having you come on to the clink,
because you know, this is what it's about, giving people
the right tools in life to be able to realize
that through hardships, traumas and all the things we go
through and life does no matter how luck you a
young man looking at multiple years beyond your even age,
you know what I mean, your life's gone and here

(01:07:07):
you are flip the coin and you've proven everyone beyond
doubt how you can succeed. But what I love about
you is your brain. The way you think, the intelligence
of you is. It is something that we can all
have if we put our own I guess effort into
educating ourselves. It has an anumbousity. You know, you've got

(01:07:28):
to actually put their effort in. It doesn't come for free.
It's not something that you just get given no matter
how smart you are. Like you said, you've had to
learn and I said at the beginning of our conversation,
you're a man of action. And that's why I have
so much respect and really love your content. You know, like,
let's talk about you. You got your business, but you've
got the rolls Royce that you can cruise around and

(01:07:48):
doing a podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
What it's a hold our car, isn't it. You're just
chasing clout. That's that's my mate's car. That's my mate's cuss.
You're just that cloud, chase us to get your numbers out,
like a fake influence. At least you're open and honest, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
But you know what, how awesome? How awesome? If I
was driving around in the roles was colored then with
it ten months have been out, my dough would be
kicked in by the coppers already. They would say, what
wouldn't be paying for that? But I thought, like I
said that good. The good thing is, you know, the
takeaway from that is I've still got really good makes
that are really supportive and they're blessed to be in

(01:08:31):
opportunities where they can say, brother, take my take my
roles as long as you want. Yeah, I mean, I'll
take my whatever you want, as long as you're good things,
you're happy, if you're living your life, what's mine is yours,
you know, And I'm as beautiful that as the reason
for that is to take home. Message for that is
that I've created these relationships with people because I've been
good to people. I've done good by people, and you know,

(01:08:53):
I don't have much to give other than my love,
more respect and myself I don't have and you will
come home and that's it. And I was there for
people when they were down and out. And you know
that's the story of the world works. You know, you
put out this good energy and it's going to come
back to you. So I guess this is what I'm
doing now, is like you said, I have this, you know,

(01:09:14):
in my brain, and I guess, oh, it's all thanks
to God. You know, I was blessed with with the brain.
I was blessed with intelligence that I can seek and
now it's about I don't really use it. When I
can manipulate the system and you know, look for different
earns here and there. I can use my brain and
my God given intelligence to share that and help people,

(01:09:35):
you know, educate people and ways that they can make
money and ways that they can live. This I find
I have this purpose and with this life. And it's
not just the youth, you know, it's not just I'm
looking to go into corporates. I'm looking to go to
adults that want to, you know, do good in business.
They want to they want to optimize their life, you know,
they want to perform at a high level under these serious,
high presure situations. Because we did high high I excelled,

(01:09:58):
you know, I performed at such a high rate in
a pressure cooker like it apps you the highest pressures
you could think of. And I've created skills and disciplines
and you know, routines that have got me to these times.
And if I can help someone get to where they
want to go by doing the hardships, then that's that's

(01:10:20):
my calling at the moment, you know what I mean,
that's that's that's what I'm passionate about.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
I'm a bit bit lost for words right now. I'm
sitting here looking at you and just taking in everything
you just said, and I you know, like I don't
want to sound like I'm kissing your ass, but you're
fucking awesome. You what you're doing is phenomenal and make
you deserve all the respect in the world for the
effort that you're putting in. And I feel that, you know,

(01:10:46):
like I said, that to you when we'll chat. I'd
like to give you my platform, you know, to help
grow you, because I can see so much goodness that you,
you know, you're putting out there for those that might
want to actually get to know you a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Let's just talk.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
About your your Instagram channel and your your your YouTube channel.
Let's put that out there for everybody so they know
where they can find you and get engaged with what
you're actually doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yes, so my Instagram is only Prince and why Prince
pr double I n CE because Mike Catual they gave
a bit late and only Prince was taken with one eye,
so at the at the serve for the double eyes.
But it's the same and before peratforms. So YouTube it's all.
It's the same handle across all TikTok ins to brand
and mom YouTube. But yeah, I like, like you were

(01:11:34):
saying before, how I I do? Actually I have taught myself,
you know, how to edit, how to do all this
sort of stuff. I've went and bought you know, all
my cameras, microphones, lighting, I've learned how to use on
that stuff. I fit out the car for the podcast
myself and the reason that I did that one because
I'm just I love learning. I love learning, man, I'm
just a sponge when it comes to information. Look how excited.

(01:11:55):
Yeah I even say that like it's like here, just
like it's it's great. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
And the second thing is now that once I've obtained
this knowledge, I can then teach it, you know what
I mean. And I love learning from someone that's you know,
lived briefed, walk and talked it did someone who've read
it from.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
A textbook, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
So this is an issue I have, and look, people
might I write me off for it because I call
it out. I'll call a spade a spade.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
And I don't get into too much politics on the
old Instagram anymore. He is to stir the bid down again,
but I's just stay on it. But one thing I
find hard, and I really do, is exactly what you said.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
I've got no respect for all these wealth life coaches
fucking thirty thirty five years of age, lived off their
mums tip till they were twenty eight thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
You know, daddy's paid their fucking cars and there mane
you know, shit, shut the fuck up. And I'll say
that straight up because it really annoys me. You get
somebody like yourself or myself or others that have actually
had to literally live and know what it's like to
go without, to then come through the struggles to actually
have guaranteed, proven ways that we've succeeded to be able

(01:13:05):
to then offer our help to others.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
We choose to be this person. It's is not about
like we're forced into this or it's a way we
have to be. We choose to be these men and
get I get so excited giving and trying to see
others succeed. If you're succeeding and you're someone who I've helped,
we're succeeding, and that to me, it is so so

(01:13:29):
much more rewarding knowing that I'm able to help somebody
else through my wings. And if it doesn't matter whether
they're a little one or a big it doesn't matter.
It's just knowing that I could give somebody else an
opportunity to see them do something great for themselves. And brother,
I just yeah, I want to congratulate you, and I

(01:13:49):
I think you've got a massive future ahead, bro, and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
I believe you do. I believe you do. And look,
I'm not going to hold you up any longer. We're
going to go into a part two down the track.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
If you're available and you're wanted, the door will always
be open because we again, I know we're on a
time difference and you've given up Drava, and so thank
you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I'm going to ask you for two. That's anything for
a while, brother, I want.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
To two good tools that you have now realized in
life that have enabled you to grow and become a
better meaning What can you say to the listeners out
there that are inspired by you and that are looking
for some advice right now?

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Oh okay, Two, let's summarize, summarize our life club of hardship.
Since the three points one one I would definitely say
would be being okay on your own, being really comfortable
on your own. I did a video on that power
in solitude, and I'm really, I really believe that I've

(01:14:56):
found my true self what I was. You know, I
broke myself down so much to know my strengths, my
weaknesses and no, no an internal rebuild from being on
my own. So I think in this day and age
where you know, there's so much distractions and it's you know,
there's so much going on social media is that people
are that no one's ever unknown, You're never really truly alone.

(01:15:19):
So I think if you can really find power and
solitude being on your own and being comfortable speaking to yourself,
I think a lot of people will be really surprised
with one, how powerful that can be?

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Bootable one, I definitely say that to find that power
and on your own.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
And number two would be there's there's there's a few,
but too, I think it would have to be two.
Learn but also in learning, ask ask for help, ask
for assistance, because you are never going to be the

(01:16:00):
smartest in everything that there's always someone that has lived
before you, walk before, you've spoken, before you learn before you.
So if you can minimize mistakes in life, minimize any
errors by asking someone that's been there do it. And
especially in this day and age, if the internet, the
internet is full of free knowledge for free. You can
type anything into the Internet and it will tell you

(01:16:23):
step by step on how to do it. So you know,
there's there's if you know everything in this world. Congratulations,
you're dead. No, Yeah, you're done, you're dead, you're dark,
You've conquered life. Goodbye. What's right? Well, Prince I look.

(01:16:45):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Thank you to your family for your allowing you to
sit there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
I know that there's a family in the home, and
you know I want Dad's attention as do mine, so
you know, let's go and be our best version of ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
But from a man to another man, brother, I had
the utmost respect for you. Thank you very much for
coming on, and I know that it's is pretty much
one of the first podcasts that you've actually allowed yourself
to come on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
So thank you for entrusting me to deliver your story.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
And guys, please respect you know, as we have touched on,
there are some technical and legal issues there that we
can't go into. What we won't go into, so those
that listen to The Clink understand that, and that's not
something that we ever push on. But I feel that
there's enough context there, brother, for people to understand that, yeah,
you are.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
You are a man that's a stand up man and
someone that's lived a life, and what a great life
you start to set for you and your family. Use Brother,
thank you for your time overcoming on your Clink. God
a letter, sure, thank thank.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
You God it God best. Thanks for the record.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Don't try and make you uncomfortable photo record. You ain't
try and world under stuff for your fort record lab
on me going all the way way photo record. Ain't
trying to link, No, trying to waste for the red
ragged Forto, right for the rigging Forto.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Reckit