December 24, 2025 • 14 mins
Across the last 19 seasons of the Clink, We have had some really raw conversations. This is one of most listened to episodes with RØNIN.
Emerging artist RØNIN is Australia's rising star, set to make waves globally. With over 1 billion views worldwide, his versatile music blends electronica, alt-rock, hip-hop, and pop, captivating listeners across genres. RØNIN's breakout hit "ALL GIRLS ARE THE SAME," recorded in his bedroom, amassed over 1 billion views, featured in 380,000+ Spotify playlists, and charted in 28 countries.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Approche production.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
These are things that obviously have molded you as a
man and a future and made you see things I
guess from a perspective that most wouldn't or didn't you know,
how was that.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It was gonna I'd never really thought I was disabled
in anyway or wasn't like getting a sort of love
and attention I wanted because I did have friends with
mums and dads and they were still unhappy, you know,
and so it was just different seeing my mom kind
of being happier, not gonna lie. Maybe then some of
(00:49):
my other friends going through you know, their mum and
dad's going through arguments and they're in the.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Middle of it and stuff that whole domestic sort of
male females.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of like was born into it,
so I didn't really understand it, so kind of like
would have like, you know, like my dad and my mom,
you know, at the time, they didn't have texts and stuff,
so it's just a email or they send letters or whatever,
and she'd just read them out to us like a
bedtime story, trying to like make me not like my dad,
and like kind of basically my dad used to wait
(01:18):
outside for me and I'd be hiding in the cupboard
because I didn't want to see him, because I didn't
like him at all.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Was that more from like when you say, writing letters
with that his letters or they were.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Back and forth from each other so that she'd send
a nasty one him and then she won't tell us
that one, but she'll tell me what he said.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So then your perception was fuck dad, Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, Mom, I love you sort of thing. I'm here
and you're my queen sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I pretty much never gave my sticket.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I never gave him a shot really, and I
didn't realize until I got older, and then I kind
of like started to fix those relationships, you know what
I mean. And that's something I'm fixing as we speak
to is he's actually now my new manager and.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Get into that, we get it. That's that's interesting. Yeah,
it's a very long story.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So yeah, basically my mom and growing up, I never
realized that she was in a relationship with another woman,
and then then they broke up. They had that moment
and I wondered why she wasn't around anyone. I was like,
oh good, you know, that just is what it is.
People have lives and things to do. And then yeah,
just pretty much just was me and my mom for
a very long time and ended up moving to my
(02:25):
dad's place because basically it started to get it was
a very mentally abusive household where it was a bit
more like just no peace. You could never find peace,
you know what I mean, You're always anxious.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It was just your mum. Do you have siblings with you?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, it was my older sister. Shout out to my
older sister too, and yeah, it was pretty much just
me and my sister against the world type of thing. Yeah,
and then you know, mom, you know how moms are
everyone's you know, let's all be real, we're all big kids.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You lock up without one. So for me, it was
I guess the old ground. So to hear that I'm
not it's great. I mean, like it's just or was,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But you talk about mending relationships, you know, I've spent
the last fifteen years building a really beautiful relationship with
my father, whom today's I talk to every day, you know,
so I can relate exactly what you're saying there. But yeah,
you're speaking the big sister sort of taking on that role.
Was mum sort of sort of going a little bit
(03:27):
wayward in a ways or.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Was it just she was just how was it and
why would I be like the energy way would just
because I don't know that exact thing is I just
say a well sort of thing. Is that what Waywood meant?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Way would a sorry, okay, let me go back to
that way with Okay, So the mom sort of just
start sort of drift, you know what I mean, like
out was she sort of in party mode, out hanging
out like other than at home sort of hanging out
with your kids, or was she you know.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I think it was no more Ida.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So now I look back at it, I think there
was no self growth happening. Like it was self projecting
her anger on kids, you know, and instead of like
these days, you know, people are a lot more aware
of their mental health. So I feel like people go
do you know, meditating or go to therapy or you know,
speak to someone when they're talking about it, don't we Yeah, yeah,
(04:17):
you know, and I think back then there was just
a bit more like take it out on people and
not do anything suppressing it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, yeah, so not knowing when and how to relase it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, and so since then this is you know, keep
in mind, like maybe like ten years ago or something,
she's she's such an like she's such an inspiring woman
to today. You know, she's overcome breast cancer, like just
a lot of things just this last year. Just really
maybe just go, holy shit, you know, I've got a
lot more respect from my mum. And yeah, you don't
really notice that because I think you notice people show
(04:48):
their true selves at their lowest and at their highest.
And yeah, and some people don't get to see the
highest and some you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But I like that. That's a really good waye looking
at it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I've never actually heard anybody put it in that perspective,
but I mean, look, yeah, I and lowest, you definitely
see people true colors, and yeah, I look without doubt,
you know, but at the highest, not all of us
hit that pinnacle, but you do, you do see those.
I mean, I can relate, and I won't obviously publicly
(05:19):
speak about it on there, but you know, we've all
got some sort of friend or someone we've known that's
been in our lives, that have done something great and acknowledged, and.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know, then all of a sudden. You never hear
or see. They're just drifts.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And you know, there's certain people that I've had massive
connection with over the years that are on a world
stage at the moment and successfully killing it, and I'm
man killing it in what they do. That one in particular,
I think he's just the best, and you know, you
do you I mean, he's obviously very grounded now, but
I mean, you know, like I had an important part
(05:54):
of his life at his lowest and at his medium
and then you know, like I'm coming back into it
after this sort of with a fame and everything. I
don't ever feel that there's that same respect or connection
between he and I feel to see each other in
the street. You know, you feel like I just think that, yeah,
I'm just not you know, I'm not cool enough and
I'm not like, I'm just not.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Other people say, you know he hasn't forgotten, Well, I
had not, because you know, like I have nothing about
the utmost respect for what he's achieved and done, and
I think the world of him and great mate. Like
I said, I'm not going to say his name because
I think that that's just not respectful. But I'm being
very respectful in relation to what you're saying. With people's
highs and lows, they do show.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And in respect to what you're saying, they're so so okay,
I just want to add to that. I'm just saying that, Yeah,
with people like that, I've got the same thing. You know,
I've got a lot of people that you know, like bigger, smaller.
You know, some people are smaller than me and have
a fucking bigger attitude, you know, And it's so funny
where it's like I just love it. It just shows
who they are. And at the same time too, I
also treat You've got to treat life honestly, like you
(06:58):
can never lose in a way of like, for example,
and that person that might have changed for the moment
and time being, you know, giving them the better for
the doubt of like maybe they have a lot more
people to deal with now and maybe like also to like,
you know, I don't know how many people in a
day we can all deal with, but maybe for me personally,
my social batteries like five people or four people a day.
(07:18):
And then when you know, you blow up and ship
you got now you've got to deal with twenty fifty
now you've got tens of thousands.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's a solid point. All I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Say is that maybe just he will never forget what
you did for him. I'm just trying to say that
be patient, be patient, and wait till he overcomes his
ego death, because there's an ego death that comes with fame,
and it's like you get your sort of sense of
fame with fame changes for people where some people think
I'm famous, but you'll realize that. You know how earlier
you're like, oh, maybe you've got things that you felt
like you should be at. I never want to be
(07:46):
somewhere because I always know when I get there, I'm
going to want to be higher. I'm a perfectionist and
that's what I mean. So I think like I've already
had my ego death. So that's why I can see
here and like talk to you, and.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I thank you for that actually, because you know, like
I'd love to sit down and shot a tequila with him,
and he knows he loves tequila, and yeah I do,
and I just want to you know, like for me,
it'd be more like congratulation and yeah, proud of you
because I know who you are and where you've come from.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And when I say this too, also if he has
to fall again, don't be a dick. All I want
to say is that sometimes you'd like, bro, you know,
when you rise this, you know you've got to fall
and that's that's when you really you know. All I'll
say is that, like you get three strikes in my
world and it's like, yeah, yeah, you fuck out once.
That's cool, man, but like, yeah, you gotta honest. I
feel like, you know, to say, if he fell off
(08:32):
again and then just go oh wow, everyone falls off,
David Beckham. Everyone it's a roller coaster. People only see
you at the top and go on to be like him,
But they didn't see when he missed that goal.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
When he missed that and I've seen that. I've seen that.
I've just watched that recently.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
So so when when maybe you want that conversation, and
then also too, you have to come to terms with
maybe it'll never happen. But that's that's the one thing
that I find with a selfless living is like, look,
maybe we can sort this out and we can you know,
let like you know, live that life. And then maybe
also too coming to terms with maybe they've changed and
maybe they're not gonna be again, And that's that's just
(09:06):
goes to show for me, it's not them personally, it's
how they grew up and how their parents taught them
to respect people that give them support. And yeah, that's
why I'm a very fucking loving and caring person because
I have great parents and you know, like earlier I
was talking about how we've we've all had up moments,
but say the people that we've grown up to be,
I'm so proud because I know, like that's why where
(09:27):
I've gotten my strengths from is.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
From my mom and my dad.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Love that me and my father, like at the start
didn't have a great relationship, like I was saying, because
I kind of had been brainwashed that he was such
a bad person and everything. And then when I met
him and like we was living with him, it was like,
oh wow, Mum was right, you know, But it was
more so the fact of just the young man kind
of learning, you know that I don't know, there was
(09:50):
a lot of things, like my dad was kind of
trying to make up for lost time. So I always
felt like I never was able to have a dad
because he was just shoveling knowledge down my throat without like,
how are you, you.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Know, checking in and going back to the original steps
of raising a sun.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, yeah, like you know, just some think that every
person deserves, you know, and but I also think it's
because I realized now as I've gotten order, that he
didn't have a father around, you know, and he never
had that, and that's why it's like, I don't hold
it against him, but I know it's like, I know
what I need to do for my kid, I know
what I need to do for people around me because
they don't have None of us really have the fairy
(10:25):
tale thing. And that's why it's different where it's like
sometimes your friends can be like your you know, those
influencers in your life that can help you, because yeah,
you know, I may I may not be a dad,
but fuck man, I don't know how much your money
your dad made. But I'll be like, yeah, I'll be
like I've fucking worked very hard and I've always just
wanted to inspire people like I wish my father did
(10:47):
for me.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Do you think though, that that's put you, I guess,
into today's space as somebody who strives to be the
best day ken. I mean, we we're here today to
talk about, you know, what you're up to in reference
to your career and what your achievements are and the
highs and the lows, and we will get into those
because there's some some shit we're going to get into.
(11:09):
It probably going to rattle a few bones, but hey,
that's that's just the way it is, that this is
what this is what it's about.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But for you, it was like, I guess maybe it's
giving you.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
That great work ethic, you know that that strive to
be the best you can be because of always wanting
to be accepted by dad.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Do you think that that's been.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
A little bit of a one hundred yeah, one, and
that I fully believe that, Like, yeah, if I had,
like I've got friends, Yeah, they're rich. The freaking dad
owns like, you know, clubs and they travel the world
and all that, and you know, it's just kind of
like the Diu Lama and a lot of people, it's like,
you don't really have peace unless you have suffering, you
(11:51):
know what I.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Mean, and with that build strength.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And yeah, so it's kind of if you have a
great parent and great that like what are you really
going to do with your laugh?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know what? I mean I always sort of believe
too that you know, to be a great winner, you've
got to lose at some stage. Yeah, yeah, you know,
if you can't be if you can't be a great
loser and understand what the fight's all about to come
out of the depths and I mean the depths of
the dark and the hard times.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Fucking you don't take this for what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And you know, I'm not going to slap in the face,
but you don't fucking deserve to be winning all the time.
Like shit, people, not not that I'm being a prick
by saying that. Reality, how can you go through life
getting hinded the silver platter and you're well just being
this like I see all these these influencing Oh I
hate that word.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's like vibe. You know, I just do my vibe
and influence. Fuck it up. It just does my head in.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
But you know, I see this thing at the moment
where it's you know, it's a bit of a rich
rich kids syndrome, and.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They're all like they're not kids, you know, their.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Late twenties, early thirties, but you know, it's always the scene,
it's a scene where they're just them.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Like that American now a TV show you'd watch years ago,
we'd see all the the what's that that.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Suburb where they used to go summertime and to be
all the houses ah, something like that. But they're always
beautiful houses and boats and yachts and you know type
bikinis and g strings. Blokes just wading over their rolllexus
and the you know brittlings and particularly pair and yeah,
like plates of rack that's just getting handed around and
(13:22):
bottles of don Perion. But like fuck up, yeah, yeah,
you know, really really like where's the reality in that?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
The reality is the struggle.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And that's one thing I know, people be like, wow,
like I just if you were to look at me
and you've never heard of me before, Like I would
love just people to people that know me the most,
probably people went to primary school with, you know, whereas
like you know, like because the one thing I hate
is like some people go, I met him last week,
I know what he's lack and all that. It's like
meet the people I met ten years ago. They know
where I'm going.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Let them tell the story.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, let they know how far I've come, and they
know who I am and how everyone didn't believe in me,
and they're all sitting in the last place right now.
And I think, like regarding what you're saying, they're people
wanting things on a platter, especially in Australia. And I'm
going to say this very passionately, is that I love
this country and we've got so many talented people. But
(14:10):
one thing people need to understand is, yeah, like, you're
not gonna make a kid LAROI track your first song.
You're not gonna like go viral on your first video.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
They're like special, special, yeah. Unique.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's then generally people that I've got some some sort
of some influence somewhere from someone that's able to actually
connect them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And it's like sometimes I get into like little you know,
arguments for people sometimes creatively because they're like, oh, why
don't you like this thing? And it's like, dude, it's
like your second song. I've made a million of them,
you know, like, and you're sitting here you want to
be famous already.
Approche production.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
These are things that obviously have molded you as a
man and a future and made you see things I
guess from a perspective that most wouldn't or didn't you know,
how was that.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It was gonna I'd never really thought I was disabled
in anyway or wasn't like getting a sort of love
and attention I wanted because I did have friends with
mums and dads and they were still unhappy, you know,
and so it was just different seeing my mom kind
of being happier, not gonna lie. Maybe then some of
(00:49):
my other friends going through you know, their mum and
dad's going through arguments and they're in the.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Middle of it and stuff that whole domestic sort of
male females.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of like was born into it,
so I didn't really understand it, so kind of like
would have like, you know, like my dad and my mom,
you know, at the time, they didn't have texts and stuff,
so it's just a email or they send letters or whatever,
and she'd just read them out to us like a
bedtime story, trying to like make me not like my dad,
and like kind of basically my dad used to wait
(01:18):
outside for me and I'd be hiding in the cupboard
because I didn't want to see him, because I didn't
like him at all.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Was that more from like when you say, writing letters
with that his letters or they were.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Back and forth from each other so that she'd send
a nasty one him and then she won't tell us
that one, but she'll tell me what he said.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So then your perception was fuck dad, Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, Mom, I love you sort of thing. I'm here
and you're my queen sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I pretty much never gave my sticket.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I never gave him a shot really, and I
didn't realize until I got older, and then I kind
of like started to fix those relationships, you know what
I mean. And that's something I'm fixing as we speak
to is he's actually now my new manager and.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Get into that, we get it. That's that's interesting. Yeah,
it's a very long story.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So yeah, basically my mom and growing up, I never
realized that she was in a relationship with another woman,
and then then they broke up. They had that moment
and I wondered why she wasn't around anyone. I was like,
oh good, you know, that just is what it is.
People have lives and things to do. And then yeah,
just pretty much just was me and my mom for
a very long time and ended up moving to my
(02:25):
dad's place because basically it started to get it was
a very mentally abusive household where it was a bit
more like just no peace. You could never find peace,
you know what I mean, You're always anxious.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It was just your mum. Do you have siblings with you?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, it was my older sister. Shout out to my
older sister too, and yeah, it was pretty much just
me and my sister against the world type of thing. Yeah,
and then you know, mom, you know how moms are
everyone's you know, let's all be real, we're all big kids.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You lock up without one. So for me, it was
I guess the old ground. So to hear that I'm
not it's great. I mean, like it's just or was,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But you talk about mending relationships, you know, I've spent
the last fifteen years building a really beautiful relationship with
my father, whom today's I talk to every day, you know,
so I can relate exactly what you're saying there. But yeah,
you're speaking the big sister sort of taking on that role.
Was mum sort of sort of going a little bit
(03:27):
wayward in a ways or.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Was it just she was just how was it and
why would I be like the energy way would just
because I don't know that exact thing is I just
say a well sort of thing. Is that what Waywood meant?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Way would a sorry, okay, let me go back to
that way with Okay, So the mom sort of just
start sort of drift, you know what I mean, like
out was she sort of in party mode, out hanging
out like other than at home sort of hanging out
with your kids, or was she you know.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I think it was no more Ida.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So now I look back at it, I think there
was no self growth happening. Like it was self projecting
her anger on kids, you know, and instead of like
these days, you know, people are a lot more aware
of their mental health. So I feel like people go
do you know, meditating or go to therapy or you know,
speak to someone when they're talking about it, don't we Yeah, yeah,
(04:17):
you know, and I think back then there was just
a bit more like take it out on people and
not do anything suppressing it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, yeah, so not knowing when and how to relase it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, and so since then this is you know, keep
in mind, like maybe like ten years ago or something,
she's she's such an like she's such an inspiring woman
to today. You know, she's overcome breast cancer, like just
a lot of things just this last year. Just really
maybe just go, holy shit, you know, I've got a
lot more respect from my mum. And yeah, you don't
really notice that because I think you notice people show
(04:48):
their true selves at their lowest and at their highest.
And yeah, and some people don't get to see the
highest and some you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But I like that. That's a really good waye looking
at it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I've never actually heard anybody put it in that perspective,
but I mean, look, yeah, I and lowest, you definitely
see people true colors, and yeah, I look without doubt,
you know, but at the highest, not all of us
hit that pinnacle, but you do, you do see those.
I mean, I can relate, and I won't obviously publicly
(05:19):
speak about it on there, but you know, we've all
got some sort of friend or someone we've known that's
been in our lives, that have done something great and acknowledged, and.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know, then all of a sudden. You never hear
or see. They're just drifts.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And you know, there's certain people that I've had massive
connection with over the years that are on a world
stage at the moment and successfully killing it, and I'm
man killing it in what they do. That one in particular,
I think he's just the best, and you know, you
do you I mean, he's obviously very grounded now, but
I mean, you know, like I had an important part
(05:54):
of his life at his lowest and at his medium
and then you know, like I'm coming back into it
after this sort of with a fame and everything. I
don't ever feel that there's that same respect or connection
between he and I feel to see each other in
the street. You know, you feel like I just think that, yeah,
I'm just not you know, I'm not cool enough and
I'm not like, I'm just not.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Other people say, you know he hasn't forgotten, Well, I
had not, because you know, like I have nothing about
the utmost respect for what he's achieved and done, and
I think the world of him and great mate. Like
I said, I'm not going to say his name because
I think that that's just not respectful. But I'm being
very respectful in relation to what you're saying. With people's
highs and lows, they do show.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And in respect to what you're saying, they're so so okay,
I just want to add to that. I'm just saying that, Yeah,
with people like that, I've got the same thing. You know,
I've got a lot of people that you know, like bigger, smaller.
You know, some people are smaller than me and have
a fucking bigger attitude, you know, And it's so funny
where it's like I just love it. It just shows
who they are. And at the same time too, I
also treat You've got to treat life honestly, like you
(06:58):
can never lose in a way of like, for example,
and that person that might have changed for the moment
and time being, you know, giving them the better for
the doubt of like maybe they have a lot more
people to deal with now and maybe like also to like,
you know, I don't know how many people in a
day we can all deal with, but maybe for me personally,
my social batteries like five people or four people a day.
(07:18):
And then when you know, you blow up and ship
you got now you've got to deal with twenty fifty
now you've got tens of thousands.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's a solid point. All I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Say is that maybe just he will never forget what
you did for him. I'm just trying to say that
be patient, be patient, and wait till he overcomes his
ego death, because there's an ego death that comes with fame,
and it's like you get your sort of sense of
fame with fame changes for people where some people think
I'm famous, but you'll realize that. You know how earlier
you're like, oh, maybe you've got things that you felt
like you should be at. I never want to be
(07:46):
somewhere because I always know when I get there, I'm
going to want to be higher. I'm a perfectionist and
that's what I mean. So I think like I've already
had my ego death. So that's why I can see
here and like talk to you, and.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I thank you for that actually, because you know, like
I'd love to sit down and shot a tequila with him,
and he knows he loves tequila, and yeah I do,
and I just want to you know, like for me,
it'd be more like congratulation and yeah, proud of you
because I know who you are and where you've come from.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And when I say this too, also if he has
to fall again, don't be a dick. All I want
to say is that sometimes you'd like, bro, you know,
when you rise this, you know you've got to fall
and that's that's when you really you know. All I'll
say is that, like you get three strikes in my
world and it's like, yeah, yeah, you fuck out once.
That's cool, man, but like, yeah, you gotta honest. I
feel like, you know, to say, if he fell off
(08:32):
again and then just go oh wow, everyone falls off,
David Beckham. Everyone it's a roller coaster. People only see
you at the top and go on to be like him,
But they didn't see when he missed that goal.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
When he missed that and I've seen that. I've seen that.
I've just watched that recently.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
So so when when maybe you want that conversation, and
then also too, you have to come to terms with
maybe it'll never happen. But that's that's the one thing
that I find with a selfless living is like, look,
maybe we can sort this out and we can you know,
let like you know, live that life. And then maybe
also too coming to terms with maybe they've changed and
maybe they're not gonna be again, And that's that's just
(09:06):
goes to show for me, it's not them personally, it's
how they grew up and how their parents taught them
to respect people that give them support. And yeah, that's
why I'm a very fucking loving and caring person because
I have great parents and you know, like earlier I
was talking about how we've we've all had up moments,
but say the people that we've grown up to be,
I'm so proud because I know, like that's why where
(09:27):
I've gotten my strengths from is.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
From my mom and my dad.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Love that me and my father, like at the start
didn't have a great relationship, like I was saying, because
I kind of had been brainwashed that he was such
a bad person and everything. And then when I met
him and like we was living with him, it was like,
oh wow, Mum was right, you know, But it was
more so the fact of just the young man kind
of learning, you know that I don't know, there was
(09:50):
a lot of things, like my dad was kind of
trying to make up for lost time. So I always
felt like I never was able to have a dad
because he was just shoveling knowledge down my throat without like,
how are you, you.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Know, checking in and going back to the original steps
of raising a sun.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, yeah, like you know, just some think that every
person deserves, you know, and but I also think it's
because I realized now as I've gotten order, that he
didn't have a father around, you know, and he never
had that, and that's why it's like, I don't hold
it against him, but I know it's like, I know
what I need to do for my kid, I know
what I need to do for people around me because
they don't have None of us really have the fairy
(10:25):
tale thing. And that's why it's different where it's like
sometimes your friends can be like your you know, those
influencers in your life that can help you, because yeah,
you know, I may I may not be a dad,
but fuck man, I don't know how much your money
your dad made. But I'll be like, yeah, I'll be
like I've fucking worked very hard and I've always just
wanted to inspire people like I wish my father did
(10:47):
for me.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Do you think though, that that's put you, I guess,
into today's space as somebody who strives to be the
best day ken. I mean, we we're here today to
talk about, you know, what you're up to in reference
to your career and what your achievements are and the
highs and the lows, and we will get into those
because there's some some shit we're going to get into.
(11:09):
It probably going to rattle a few bones, but hey,
that's that's just the way it is, that this is
what this is what it's about.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But for you, it was like, I guess maybe it's
giving you.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
That great work ethic, you know that that strive to
be the best you can be because of always wanting
to be accepted by dad.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Do you think that that's been.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
A little bit of a one hundred yeah, one, and
that I fully believe that, Like, yeah, if I had,
like I've got friends, Yeah, they're rich. The freaking dad
owns like, you know, clubs and they travel the world
and all that, and you know, it's just kind of
like the Diu Lama and a lot of people, it's like,
you don't really have peace unless you have suffering, you
(11:51):
know what I.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Mean, and with that build strength.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And yeah, so it's kind of if you have a
great parent and great that like what are you really
going to do with your laugh?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know what? I mean I always sort of believe
too that you know, to be a great winner, you've
got to lose at some stage. Yeah, yeah, you know,
if you can't be if you can't be a great
loser and understand what the fight's all about to come
out of the depths and I mean the depths of
the dark and the hard times.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Fucking you don't take this for what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And you know, I'm not going to slap in the face,
but you don't fucking deserve to be winning all the time.
Like shit, people, not not that I'm being a prick
by saying that. Reality, how can you go through life
getting hinded the silver platter and you're well just being
this like I see all these these influencing Oh I
hate that word.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's like vibe. You know, I just do my vibe
and influence. Fuck it up. It just does my head in.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
But you know, I see this thing at the moment
where it's you know, it's a bit of a rich
rich kids syndrome, and.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They're all like they're not kids, you know, their.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Late twenties, early thirties, but you know, it's always the scene,
it's a scene where they're just them.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Like that American now a TV show you'd watch years ago,
we'd see all the the what's that that.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Suburb where they used to go summertime and to be
all the houses ah, something like that. But they're always
beautiful houses and boats and yachts and you know type
bikinis and g strings. Blokes just wading over their rolllexus
and the you know brittlings and particularly pair and yeah,
like plates of rack that's just getting handed around and
(13:22):
bottles of don Perion. But like fuck up, yeah, yeah,
you know, really really like where's the reality in that?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
The reality is the struggle.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And that's one thing I know, people be like, wow,
like I just if you were to look at me
and you've never heard of me before, Like I would
love just people to people that know me the most,
probably people went to primary school with, you know, whereas
like you know, like because the one thing I hate
is like some people go, I met him last week,
I know what he's lack and all that. It's like
meet the people I met ten years ago. They know
where I'm going.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Let them tell the story.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, let they know how far I've come, and they
know who I am and how everyone didn't believe in me,
and they're all sitting in the last place right now.
And I think, like regarding what you're saying, they're people
wanting things on a platter, especially in Australia. And I'm
going to say this very passionately, is that I love
this country and we've got so many talented people. But
(14:10):
one thing people need to understand is, yeah, like, you're
not gonna make a kid LAROI track your first song.
You're not gonna like go viral on your first video.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
They're like special, special, yeah. Unique.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's then generally people that I've got some some sort
of some influence somewhere from someone that's able to actually
connect them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And it's like sometimes I get into like little you know,
arguments for people sometimes creatively because they're like, oh, why
don't you like this thing? And it's like, dude, it's
like your second song. I've made a million of them,
you know, like, and you're sitting here you want to
be famous already.
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