SUMMER CLINK: Ben Salgado

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Hey guys, Sima here from the Clink. Will we take
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Welcome back to the Clink. It's twenty and twenty four.
Happy new year to everybody out there. Thank you to
everybody who tuned in to season thirteen, and to everybody
that's just started listening to the Clink.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
We see you, we hear you, all of you going
back and coming right through our seasons. Can you believe it?
Season fourteen. This season is massive.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
We're aiming and we will hit three million downloads and
that is all because of each of you. Cannot thank
you all enough.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
I'm super excited. I hope you are all well.

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Speaker 3 (02:08):
Wow, what a.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Story we've got. This man is doing amazing things in
his life today. He was a man who was known
for his notoriety. He was a soldier, He was someone
that you didn't want to cross paths with. He was
a part of an outlaw club, done a lot of
jail and was involved in a riot in Golden one
of the biggest and as far as I'm concerned, most

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dangerous jails in Australia.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Then, Sagado brother, Welcome to the Clink. Mabe. It's an honor,
it really is.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
We're only just chatting a minute ago, and it was
an unsure thing that you know, having you on the
clink and well, look it's in God's hands and here
we are and thank you very much. You're here and
today's chat is number one for season fourteen, and I'm
proud to.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Have thank you.

Speaker 7 (03:03):
And you use the word redemption just in that intro,
and I was like, actually, is like I'm here now,
and I feel like it is redemption because I was
in it. I've been through shit places and I've been
the mind frame. I'm still the same person I was
back then, but just my priority is a bit more

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changed a.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Lot, So.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I love what you just said.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Then I'm still the same person I was back then.
You know, out of all the guests we have on here,
I think people get a little bit misconscrewed to the
changes we make in our lives from who we were.
We're still the same men. We still are able, willing,
and very capable. But then we put our energies, time, compassion,

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and everything that we want to do and have lived
in experience and positivity giving back.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
The whole purpose of the Clink is because.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Of stories of redemption, which originated, you know, initially from
my story of where I come from and about my life.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
And I never thought that I'd be.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Here nearly three million downloads later with the smile I've
got on my face and hearing your story, another wonderful
guest one hundred and thirty three hundred.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
And thirty four and everybody's story. I'm just so honored
to be able to deliver on this platform.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
So I truly want to say, brother, thank you, and
your time, I know is precious and welcome. So for
our listeners, there will be a lot of new listeners
out there that wouldn't be familiar with who you are.
I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that
are looking forward to hearing your story that do know
you and know me, and yeah, have definitely reached out

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to both of us.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Knowing that you were coming on the clink.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So let's take everybody back to I guess early teenage years.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
That was just a bunch of drugs and alcohol. Back then,
it was just like I did not have the purpose,
I didn't have anything. I just like I was looking
for it. So I was like teenage years was like
smoking bongs and drinking alcohol and going sneaking out of
the house and just going and party and jumping people,
bashing people, like just all the shit stuff you do
in Mountjoy.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
So how was it like growing up?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I mean, we we've had a few of our guests
that have come from the hood and the good old
Mouni County made it. It's a proud place and even today,
what a lot of good is coming out of what
was always seemed to be very negative. And when I
grew up on the other side of the fence Campbelltown,
you know, we were sort of very similar and in
our areas and how it was culturally and multiculturally, but

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there was always the dark side.

Speaker 7 (05:51):
I've never been asked, actually, what was it like growing
up Mandroid. It's like now I'm trying to think of
it as just like that's home, Like it's that's I'm.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Comfortable home of the brak.

Speaker 7 (06:02):
Yeah, that's right. It's actually pretty cool. Like what's what's
been happening with the boys out there? Like that some
of them have like done some really good stuff. That's
pretty cool. And it's like a cute community events happening,
Like there's some boys that are doing that.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
That's I love seeing that stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
We'll get into that because you're a massive part of
that and and you know you're working with some some
amazing people.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
You're working at a level of an elite level with
elite athletes.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
You you know, you're you're representing you as a man,
your family and what you're doing today is phenomenal. And
I can't wait to get into that part of our chat.
I think for now, let's let's let's get into the
real nitty gritty of Ben and who you were and
how you then you know, got into the life of crime,
which then obviously led to too many years jall. And

(06:50):
you know, we'll touch on what that was like for
you obviously to get the gold and you were no slouch.

Speaker 7 (06:55):
Yeah, well, the very first time I was arrested, like
I went to JUV overnight a couple of times, Like
I couldn't even tell ya, like how many times they've
been arrest to, Like I seen my charge sheet before,
and I was just I was looking at trying to
figure out when did this happen? When did this happen?
I just like it was too too much drugs, too
much alcohol. Couldn't remember when I get arrested. Just just

(07:18):
a shit head. But it's just it was normal back then.
It was like you just have to you just want
to go out and run a mark and trying not
to get caught doing what you're doing. But when I
first went to jail, like it was when I was eighteen,
I went to jail for a home invasion to witness.

(07:43):
That was I was real young, So I wasn't a
people say, were you scared to go to jail when
you were eighteen? I wasn't really scared because I don't
think I had purpose as it was, So I wasn't
like I had nothing really going on, so I had
nothing to lose, So it was like, yeah, it was
just another like it seemed like another chapter in my life.

(08:04):
I'm just entering in it. A'm going to see what's happening.
So I went to jail.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
How was How was the family life for you though?
But how was at home? So mum and dad?

Speaker 7 (08:16):
Yeah, yeah, like all my brothers and sisters and my sister,
they none of them got mixed up with like crime
or some of them like they go out and have
parties and stuff like that that happens in the area.
But I think everyone does. None of them broke the law,

(08:38):
like especially the way I was doing it, Like it was, yeah,
it's pretty Then I went to jail, learned some new
tricks to the trade and come out and just like
went crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
And how did that go down?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
For your coming from a family, I mean, I guess
what we do see is a pattern generally through our
interviews with a lot of guests and a lot of stories.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Come from a lot of a lot of trauma, a lot.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Of abuse, physical sexual abuse within the home, family breakups
and violence. Obviously from the way you speak, you come
from a loving, hearing home, a good environment.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I think that's good.

Speaker 7 (09:16):
I think that's like one of the main reasons why
I've been able to redeem myself myself in my past,
Like I've come come home after this was my longest
leg I've only been out six months now and that
was my longest lag in almost seven years.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Was that that was the bottom? Yet I'm still a
broad now, still two and half his role I think
some yeah something like that. Yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
Because my family showed me so so much love, so
much support, it just like it was a lot easier
to to just focus on my goals and like set
goals in the first place. Because I had support, I
didn't have to worry about maybe some of the other
stuff that other people have to worry about, like where
you're going to leave when you get out, like I

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had at home, how to bed, how to had food
in my stomach, Like they didn't have to worry about
that stuff. So I just had to worry about getting
working on myself as a person and getting my head
right and being happy, because that's the ultimate goal at
the end of the day, is being happy.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Like everyone's looking.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Everyone goes to work, tries to get money, they're looking
for happiness. That's that's pretty much. And security security brings
happiness too.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
So well, yeah, well said I know as a father,
you know I have three young I have four children,
but three young children at home, and you know, as
a dad and someone who's really sort of trying to
do the best I can, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Your your morals and your values. They're one. It really is.
It's it's a tough slog, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I remember I had three years pro after doing six myself,
and it's you're expected to find the odds are stacked
against you one hundred percent. You know, you're just a
product of the system, the environment, and you are realistically,
with a long term.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Parole, you are set to fail. There is not where
we are one percent.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
We are one percenters of success in the long term parole.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
This is what my fo my fourth time on parole,
and the first time on parole lasted three months, then
four months, and then sixteen months and then like I'm not.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Going back to jail this time. There's no chance, zero
percent chance.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
But you're right, it is we are set up to
fail because even now I've been out almost six months,
I've got my own business. I'm training people, full time athletes,
normal people, mums, people wanting to like do beginners boxing,
people that just want to know how to do a machine. Tomorrow,

(11:55):
I use a machine. Tomorrow I'm going my first boot
camp class. So I'm running two boot camps a day
from tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
So yeah, congratulations for that too, because I only said,
you know, just before Christmas, you were finishing your sections
of what you were doing to allow you to do
these wonderful things and give.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Back and congrats crazy some of the stuff that I've
been doing too, Like I never thought that'd be able
to get permission off counsel to train people in the
park and then let alone how people want to get
trained in the park by me, But like I know,
like I'm confident in my training skills. I know how
to train people like I know because I trained myself
for years and so I'd studied, studied, come out and

(12:36):
done the course like in fourteen weeks. I was qualified.
I already knew a lot of the stuff. I just
needed to ticket.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
So I got to say and look, as I said
to you, we will get further into that chattered a
little bit later, because you are a phenomenal athlete.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
And I really I'm not pissing in your pocket here.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I mean, I'm for anybody that wants to go and
check out his Instagram, go and go and have a look.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
It's Bali, Bali, what is it? Bally up?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Bally up Santa?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, Bali? Where the cup from?

Speaker 7 (13:09):
How many people ask me where that comes from?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Just like okay, when I said it was like just
before Christmas, and I thought, this is a g up
for sure, and then the ballyt up, I'm thinking, oh,
I get that part of it.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
But the bally up Santa?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Did you do a stick up as a Santa?

Speaker 7 (13:29):
So ballly up is just like something I used to
tell people back in the days, like where your bally
like of course your valley there's cameras everywhere, but and
it's sort of like it's I'm not ashamed of my past. Still,
I'm not ashamed of my past, so I still like
I keep the name. Santa is just a name that
a few mates gave me because when I used to

(13:51):
I don't know, you'd have to ask them. I don't
really like talking about it.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
But they were talking amongst themselves, I think, and then
they were asked.

Speaker 7 (13:59):
Because I used to be generous with them. I used
to give them your presents and stuff. So they used
it as a code name, say o Sana, and they
just knew who was members just sort of stuck. But
no one calls me saying it now. Oh, actually a
couple of people do, but no one, no one.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, thank you for sharing that, because I get it now.
I completely get it. And look, I've got to be
honest here. Back in the day when you know you're
making money and your yearns I was very similar if
you know you're a so called mate, which, if we
really be honest, there's not many of them left because
when reality kicks in and we start to realize what
life is all about, there ain't anybody there.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
You're on your own mate.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
So you know, you can give all that you want
and have gived or you wanted to give. But at
the end of the day, there's not going to be
too many that are still there beside Jane.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
If you are, then you are blessed.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
That's It's just I can just say that I feel blessed, like.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
The amen to that, brother, because yeah, what a beautiful thing.
I want to I want to for the listeners that
I really want to go back into life for you
in jail. So how was it for you? Like, let's
talk about that, go back and walk us through. What
was Jarlie, what did you get up to and what
was the charge that you first went in and how long?

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Yeah that was home invasion to a witness, that was
what six years on top, three years, three months on
bottom or sixties three months on top?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Three is three months.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
So your first whack at eighteen, that's what you got given.

Speaker 7 (15:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which was like I remember the judge saying,
I'm worried about giving you too much time because you're
going to get influenced by people in jail and become worse.
He literally said that, and he goes, but I'm also
worried about giving you not enough time and the DPP

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appealing against it and get a lot more. So he
gave me that sentence and it was funny enough. The
last the last year of that sentence was when I
met some outlaw motorcycle gang members and then become one myself.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
So, and how did you find that coming out and
being a part of an outlaw motorcycle club?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Loved her? I loved her. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, yeah,
I loved it.

Speaker 7 (16:12):
Like we got treated like a like a brother, Like
they showed me a lot of love. They used to
come like I was at Wellington. They used to come
driving all the way to Wellington like something a family
would do just to visit for the day.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
See that's rare.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
And yeah, look that's not bullshit anybody out there that
thinks that. And look like I always say, I've got
the utmost respect for the brothers that I shared the
colors with when I was when I was involved, and
I've got nothing negative to say about it. But I don't,
obviously today have any connection or involvement with club life.

(16:46):
And to be honest with you, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
be the choice that I'd make. It was very very different.
You know, not to say too much, but just the
style of I guess, the way things are, the politics,
the laws, and it's just there's nothing good that comes
from it.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
But you know, like as you say, back then you
could have a brother. There were brothers that were.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Genuine and loyal and you know, would drive out and visit.
I mean that day, that's huge.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Like you said, it's very rare. But that's when I've
seen that happening. That's what drew me to becoming and
our lasso an outlock pretty much. Yeah, so that's if
that didn't happen, I wouldn't have been a biking back
then or become a bikey. But because I seen that brotherhood,
I was like, this is mad. I want this in
my life. I was still looking for my purpose as well.

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And even so I still don't regret making those decisions.
Like people ask me, like that was a shit decision.
I was like, yeah, it is a shit decision, but
like look at me now, like all that stuff happened
for a reason.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Like and that's the thing, Ben, And I'm going to
be really really frank about that. There's not one guest
on the clink here that hasn't felt the same way.
Like we never ever sit here and glorify our crimes
or you know talks. This is the never been about that.
But you have a story, as does every other guest
that's been on here, and it's important that the listener

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gets to know where you were, how bad things were.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
You know what I mean, what it was truly like
for you because to.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
The man you are now whom I'm looking at, the
man we've never physically met, but I've gotten to know
style of person you are from what I see and
I get it. Look, we don't always portray ourselves to
be everything that we want everyone to see. We're going
to keep a few things close to ourselves on our
medias and stuff. But you as a man and how

(18:39):
you come across and what you represent as a family man,
as a professional mate, I hold you in high regard.
I truly wish I could be in the area to
work with you, you know, I think it'd be phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
But you know, like like I say, I think.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
It's important that we do share our history and you
can't regret where we come from. We are who we are,
and we're here because of that and our lived experience
is what enables us to give back can help others.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
Yeah, definitely, what Well, my hardship, the worst part of
my life is what actually changed me. That was like
when I was in jail. The last time I thought
I'd lost everything. I was in segregation, which wasn't which
wasn't uncommon for me, Like it was, I was in segregation.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Like all the time.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
But this time I'd lost. I'd lost so much, Like
I lost my son's mum. That's where my dad died,
which like that literally that was the main reason why
I just made a decision. This is like, that's it,
Like I'm I just wanted to like be out with
my family because at one stage that COVID was happening

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and I was in jail, I didn't. I actually made
it to my dad's funeral. I think I was like
one of one of the first, if not the first
one to go to be a given permission to go
to the funeral. I don't know how I pulled it off,
but I think because I'd done so long in jail,
like I knew some governors and I just started writing letters.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I was writing letters.

Speaker 7 (20:11):
To read about ten letters and just send them all
off then I had my family ring it up pretty
much said like, if if you don't let me go,
like that's going to be it.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'm going to like I.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Was sweech like, it's not. I didn't threaten nobody. I
didn't say I was going to kick off. I was
just say, this is an opportunity for me to redeem
my like be with my family, Like I knew that
this was what did.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
My friend say?

Speaker 7 (20:35):
It's like a fork in the road, like it's either
left or right. It's like if I think that that
one decision that they let me go to that funeral
was what turned me like they like touched my heart and.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Beautiful and you know what, what a blessing, bro, because
at the end of the day, it's enabled you to
be the man you are.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Like how good? Yeah, how good?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And and I'm sorry to hear that that that happened.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
And look.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Something definitely bad, but like something good come out of it,
I guess. But I still would rather have my dad
back here and probably be back in Chail, to be honest,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, and that that would be hard.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I always worry at the moment fighting in Big Blue
habit done for the last few years, been on Supreme
Court bar for only three years over something from fifteen
years ago. And you know, at the end of the day,
if it goes south, and you know, I've got a
dad who he's getting older and he's not the best
of health.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
That's that's one thing that scares me. It does.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
It does fear me that if I'm taken away from
my family and for these charges that.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
You know, at the end of the day, these things
are things that are very real and ken and will happen.
And you know, look, I yeah, and you.

Speaker 7 (21:53):
Don't think, you don't feel like they're going to happen
until they do happen, and you're like, I didn't think
this would happened to me.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
So which Charles, where you mainly at because if you're
in you know that's that sort of segroo.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I mean obviously you STG and lift Go.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
Nah, I didn't spend time in STG. In Liftgo, I
went there for segregation for a bit.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Was that mainly because of they did it with the
club clubs, mixing clubs between transit and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (22:21):
Ah No, it was just a fucking just ship, just
mucking up and just a menace. Yeah, just like sphones
everywhere people, Oh.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
You're with the zub guy.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Slide it under the door for thee.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
I had.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I had that sort of lift, didn't I till Ittle
went the ship sliding under the door with the old odies.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Boys, the boys had a good crack down there, that's
for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
So you you obviously been at Golden and I mean
Golden as I said, and and I'm very serious about it.
You can speak for it. You've been there is far
long concerned the most notorious. Well, it definitely was back
down anyway, and the years prior to that, the killing yards,
you know, like let's talk about that because only someone
that's been there can speak of it.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Yeah, well it was like it's very dangerous, Like there
was times where there was months like like you have
to have a blade, Like you have to have a blade.
And when you go downstairs from the top, there's always
screws there. I'll call them screws because that's what I'm
used to calling them. They are so they're down they're

(23:36):
down there to do bag searches every single morning. So
you get lead out, you have to hide your blade
or you have to cheek your blade.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
But you have to have it on you because if
you don't, you get caught slipping, and that's the day
you're going to get you and you don't have it.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
So it was that bad in there that pretty well,
you can be guaranteed everywhere everyone was armed up, just.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
At the times that everyone's like one percent of the
time there was like what thirty thirty people in our yard,
and one hundred percent the time at least one third
of the yards bladed it up. Like that's one even
when everyone was getting along, which was a lot of
a lot of the time everyone was getting along, but
then there's still like, look there's drugs in the yard.

(24:17):
People we get anolytics?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, yeah, which yard? Which yard? Which one would you win?

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Where were you the islander yard?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I was the islander And did you actually sort of
have a lot of connection with a lot of the
brothers that you've grown up with around it at Mount
Druitt and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Or there were people that come through.

Speaker 7 (24:34):
Yeah, but look, I went to jail when I was eighteen,
so like I met heaps of people in jail, Like
I knew pretty much everyone there straight away.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Plus the boys in the club were in the.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
Same yard, So then I had that connection too, So
that's what first bring me to the yard. But look,
Mandrew is full of islanders. Like I'd rather be in
that yard over any other yard anyway. So but that's
the art I owned up and like, actually, like it's funny.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I got so many memories and I actually had fun there.

Speaker 7 (25:09):
But then I think back, I'm like, some hairy situations
like scene, some fucking like big stuff happened and I
was involved in some big staff.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
It's yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
It was fun back then, but I would never go back.
It's like, I'm I'm too focused now, Like.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
It's oh look at it.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And I think once you realize that and we get
to a point in our life, look, jail is not fun.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I'm gonna put it.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Look back in back in the day, Back in the
day when you really didn't care too much, you didn't
have children or support. I don't know, it was a
different thing. Your mindset. It was like I don't care whatever, Yeah,
got a whack. You just did it, and you went
through the process. You knew the drill you've.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Been going like it was just one of them things.
All right, Where am I going? Chief? Oh shit, Well
you know, getting on that bus you go and here
you going there.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
You're hoping that you get sent to this one, but
then you might get shang under that one.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
You know, like it's just you.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
You adapt and unfortunately it becomes everything because outside of
those walls, you got no control of anything, and you
you really have to just be on your game, don't you.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
Yeah, it's funny because my son was actually born while
I was at Golvin.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
In mine was when I was in Segro at silver
Water too.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
It was yeah, for first.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Get one of those little notes, notes under the door.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Under the door. Yeah yeah, but it was it was
a day late.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was the next day.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It wasn't when it was should
have been. And the pepper came through with it.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And then you know, like I seem Simpson, it was
just like chief, can I get a carn?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Maybe maybe later?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
And when you you know, when you when you're at
silver Water and you're on Segra, you get fun, especially
when they shut up the screws, you know what I mean,
Like it's just the boys and it is what it is,
but yelling out, yeah, you know, the old sort of
bunch in the backyard and you throw on the lines
up and down and.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, the pigeons on the Wallah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
You wake up in the morning at nine o'clock or
eight o'clock, whatever time that goes, and you're just waiting
for the screws to come to if you get in
the back door or not.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's what you're waiting for for one hour or two hours,
and then maybe you might get a phone call if
you're lucky. Yeah, can we can we just just for
a second, because this is this is something that like
I understand it, and a lot of people will. But
for a lot of people that listen that would never
have been to jail, let's pull it apart a little
bit and give them a little bit more of what
it actually really happens. So for those that are just listening,

(27:48):
you would have heard.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Ben say muster.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
So musters generally were we you know, you get called,
everyone gets counted, you get sent in, whether it's lunch
or locking, whatever it is, to where your numbers count,
your head count, you're gone. Now, generally the yard goes in,
the yard goes in. But on this obviously particular, the
day of the yard as a whole wasn't going in.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
So when we're.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Talking about that, that right there, that's it, especially in
a place like Gold.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
And quote me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
This zero tolerance from the squad and the way that
the squad's coming in and how they treat the inmates,
it's surprising that there's not more inmates that are killed.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, well at that stage, like at that stage.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
At Gold and no screws would come into the yard none. Right,
So when that happened, they literally just let as much
gas as they had off into the yard.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
So they were just like literally boys were passing out
from the gas.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
But they still didn't come in until like the boys
are pretty much like on the ground passed out, like
no one was standing. There was one there was one
bloke that's sort of walking through it. Like I won't
say his name, but he's done a lot of he's
an older bloke and he's done a lot of a
lot of.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Super Max and stuff like that. But it is just
used to the gas.

Speaker 7 (29:09):
But everyone else is on the ground like it just gas.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Meah, yeah, wow, that that says a lot.

Speaker 7 (29:18):
So they didn't come into the yard, they just and
I remember after it, one of them said to somebody,
one of the screws said to one of the boys.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
That there was something.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
There was heap, the whole heap of gas canisters that
were going out of date. So the the security manager
told them, like, next time, just release everything. So they
they were just using the gas because it was going
out of date. So yeah, that was true, gut, that.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Would in other words, it would have been potent or
completely potent.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
That wasn't the only one that actually happened. There was
another one where one of my other mates he got
shot in the head by one of the gas canisters,
like they like literally pointed out straight out his head,
like twenty centimeters away and shot him straight in there.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
That was well from a in the circle to the yard.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was like going off of the
yard and the screws just shot him straight.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
In thehead with the gas kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
And then that kicked off another little riot.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
That was that was that was our yard that had
that riot.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
There was two.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
There was two little little riots in our yard and
then that bigger one in a different yard that we joined.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
So with the one that happened in your yard, let's
talk about that one. What what kicked that off? What
was that all?

Speaker 7 (30:30):
About just some I think one of the one of
the main boys, good bloke, he got taken He got
taken by by the screws.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I can't remember what.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
For, but as in shang eed like he was getting getting.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
They grabbed him, put handcuffs on.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
Him and took him into the circle anyway, so the
boys wouldn't have it. So then they kicked off and
then they were like everyone like that it up straight
away and was getting stuff to throw and blade just
getting passed around. I guess, like yeah, so everyone was
everyone was like ready to go and like everyone's everyone

(31:16):
like everyone has to like if the boys are kicking on,
and like one person says, I don't want to evolve,
like you're getting out of the yard. You can't be
in there unless you're with the boys. Yeah, so uh,
they all went on with it, and Gascott let off
in the yard. But the boys still they didn't let

(31:37):
that much gas off. It was only maybe like I
don't know, four or five, six, maybe could have been
like just under ten or something like that. But yeah,
we ended up going on with it a little bit then,
and funny enough, like they let that guy back into
the yard to settle us down.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Isn't it amazing though, Like and we talk about that,
and I think that it's important for the listeners too
that you know, like when when when we go to jail,
will have gone to jail. You know, the loss is huge,
you know when you're there, Like you said, you're living
in the moment. It's a game of survival and everybody's
vulnerable and I don't care who.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
You are, it doesn't matter. You'll get got if someone's.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
The one thing I found hard over the years, and
I'll be very open about this, is the way that.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
The politics changed. You know.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Back in the day, you can't label somebody without producing
the paperwork. These days, it's such a loose word for
walking in the yard. A bloke would just say just
oh yeah, he's no good, you know what I mean.
Next minute he might be with a crew and the
next minute, you know, you've got a drama.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
But the bloke.

Speaker 7 (32:45):
That's happening, I'll tell you another thing that was happening
in there the last few years. Well, please don't want
to get labeled as a dog. Paperwork would get shown
and then because that guy's producing drugs or he's running again,
that paperwork would.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Go missing and he'd be sweet in the yard.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, drugs like drugs rule jail like just.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Like I know that there was a few few people
that literally.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And when I say, I mean, look, not everybody that's
gone to the boneyard is a bad person and a dog. Okay,
there's some there's some good blokes that have just unfortunately
got a bad whack or whatever it is, and that's
where it's just ended for them.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
And it's not because they're a shit person.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, you know, but these people that I'm referring to
a ship people, they were getting pulled back out signing out. Yeah,
because they were they I would have produced a buup
of people more.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, or have you?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
They were sweet brother walk in the yards like better
than half the blokes that are real mainstream blokes.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
And they're getting through their like kings like.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
You rebels past them on TV.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
And I've seen that on the back end of mine,
you know what I mean, coming out in fourteen thirteen fourteen,
and it was like, fuck, I just found it very
very hard as an older bloke coming back into the
system again doing a big whack. I found it hard
just the way that the younger generation was and how
loose things were said to kick things off and people

(34:09):
were getting pumped for nothing. Yeah, Like it's it's an ugly, ugly,
ugly world in there.

Speaker 7 (34:17):
That's that's that's why you have like that's at times
you have to just carry a blade because people get
pumped for nothing. Yeah, I misunderstanding, Like one word could
be misunderstood, which gets somebody's stab. Yeah, and then it's sorry, sorry,
but it's still like sorry happened, Like you're in hospital

(34:39):
and you lost your life.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
That that's right.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
And then there comes the whole thing about you know,
like I did he bail out and all this sort
of stuff, But you forget there's a duty of care
now because now the way that the system is that
you know, whether you want to go or not, then
you get put on an na or whatever it might be.
And it's not because you're a dog or you've given
someone up. It's purely for the fact that that's how
the system works, you know what I mean. And that
good bloke that did nothing wrong because all of a

(35:03):
sudden doing his jar hard because of bullshit politics that
should never have happened.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 7 (35:11):
A very diverse world, like it's especially like if you're
getting really mixed into it. I noticed that's like problem
that's maxo because of just doing it hard and they
just want some some relief, so they just like want
to put someone else down to get themselves up a bit.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
So my last my last what nine nine.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
Months, some of that was in C class the first
time I ever experienced a CEA classo and see ones
like it's like being in a Maxo, but just with
a bunch of blokes that are ready to give you up.
That's that's what I'll see a see one like get
see two ba and as long as you have a routine,

(35:56):
but there's still those people there, but it's a bit
more relaxed where you can sort of like it's a
bit more open, you can avoid those people.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, so like that's while I was lucky enough to
go to a.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
C two And well, you're right, because you can.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
You can go to work, you can move around and
actly you do not have to see the same faces
every every moment of the day. You can sort of
just you're going to see the same bokes in the
units or whatever, but you're away, you're getting away from
the bullshit sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
For the day.

Speaker 7 (36:22):
Yeah, it's open space, Like there's a farm, like you
can go and work on an orchard or something like that.
I had a pretty good job. I was a barber there,
so I had like free rein to like just get
around and when people want haircuts, like I just give him.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
The King said go coat your hair, Like was that
a bathist? That that was a menace?

Speaker 3 (36:40):
That was the last you've got to menace?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Did Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's like crazy that jail, Wow, that would
have been.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, that's from one one high.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
But I was so lucky to go there because like
that gave me so much time to work on myself
as a person and try to become the person that
I wanted to be, which i'd already done work by
this point.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
There was a program at Windsor that I've done.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
It's a what was it called, it's a drug It's
like a drug rehabilitation alternative sanctions program at ASB, And
I remember the facilitator there was an ant Kelly. She
like had like some really good knowledge and I learned
a lot from her and just being locked in and

(37:30):
that's when that's when my dad passed away. So I
really just wanted to like absorb as much information as
I could so I could learn and try to teach
myself how to become this person that I imagine myself to be.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I just I was gold driven, like really hard.

Speaker 7 (37:46):
I'm still I still am.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
So at that point, I was like really working on myself.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Can I just ask you something and please, brother, if
it's too much, just tell me to my business. But
the passing of your dad was during custody. I look,
like I just said earlier, that's one thing that scares me.
If if my things go south and I end up
doing a whack for whatever, then that's one thing that

(38:14):
it does play on my mind. I don't know how
I would personally do. I've seen men who have lost
loved ones whilst I've been in custody, and it's it's
not good. You channel that energy into something positive positive?
Can I ask you how you did that, brother, because

(38:35):
I think that's really important if you don't mind sharing
for someone there to understand that, because it's so easy
to just go off the rails from something so traumatic
and something that rich a harder part you know.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, well that's what I say.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
Like I was at that point at the lowest point
in my life, like I was broken, and I just
had some good mates that just wanted to help me.
One bloke was actually helping me, helping me write a eulogy,
which he come out is back in jail now, so.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I love him.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
And then my family just showed me so much love
to write letters, bring people up, and then I had
respect for them letting me go to the funeral, like
accepting it. So I honestly think that because I was
shown compassion at the lowest point in my life, that's what.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Sort of turned me.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
To being to say to myself, I don't want to like,
I don't want to be here anymore. I don't want
I don't want this year. I want to see what
else is out there, because I still didn't have a
purpose at that point.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
So I still in the club bro through that period
in that okay, So now I left. I didn't that, okay,
So I didn't want to sort of get into that
too much politics around that sort of thing and conversation.
But so you're you're still in jail, You're still on
the back end of your of your seven is that right?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (39:57):
And you detached from.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
That was before I won my appial. So I won
my appeal because I got found guilty at trial. So
I was I still had at that point, maybe five
years to go before my pill so I'd already been
in ten years in the bottom, I'd been about five years.
I had five years ago something like that, maybe six

(40:22):
maybe I've been in four and six, give or take
a year. But so yeah, so that all happened and
I had to get re sentenced or go through like
my I got my pill up while I was in
just just before.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Like maybe a week before my dad passed. I got
my pill up. Wow, and then I had that.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Had that had gone wrong the appeal, you wouldn't have gotten.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
If if I didn't win my appill either be in
jail right now that I'd probably be like in the
worst place, like Counts would be in hospital, and I'd
be in somewhere and locked up in a hole.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah. So that's that's what I say.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Like, because I was showing compassion and because I felt
like I didn't the right I was sort of righted
by getting my appeal up, like because it was it
was ship how I got found guilty in the first place.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yes, but it is what it is. It made me.
I still don't regret it.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
I don't hold any grudges against anyone, like I'm I'm happy.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I asked what that charge was that whack that you did?
There was that.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
Yep, that's a large commercial supply and money and other
suppliers and afraid and yeah, there's also violence, like I
choke someone out in jail, so then there was that
charge as well.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yep, there was.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
Phones were charged with phones as well, So I had
heaps of charges.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Because they're all mandatory too, aren't they. What's that six months,
isn't it? Or nine months for a phone I got.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
I'll tell you a funny story. There was two phones
they got found next door, not in my cell, in
my neighbor's cell. They got charged with it, but then
they checked the phones and seeing that I'd made a
phone call off it, so then I got charged with
it as well. They got three months, six months, and

(42:24):
seven months. I ended up getting ten months and the
phone aren't even in my cell, like yeah, so that
just shows you, like it's nothing in comparison, but that
just shows you.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Like I felt like the whole time of just getting
getting dicked, and then I.

Speaker 7 (42:39):
Got myle like it's yeah, yeah, I just to just
get whacked.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
I was just about to say.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
It just goes to show when the system has it
in for you, though, and it is it's it's it
is purely structured to break you. The system is in
no way, shape or form there to help you, you know,
like it's it's a sad thing. And for someone that's
actually done a lot of time. I mean even between

(43:07):
us two just over twenty years, you know what I mean,
we're an a.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Young man all over twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, you know what I mean, And that that's we
can never get a day of that back. But you
know yourself, it doesn't take much for the screws to
just dislike you or like yourself. You know, if you're
I guess troublesome and they know that you're going to
be a handful, they'll just they'll just load you up,
they'll just make your health.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
It's just it's just ugly. There's nothing good of is there.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
Nah, that's true. They don't care at the end of
the day. They don't care about you, but.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
There's no compassion.

Speaker 7 (43:43):
Sometimes they're I don't know, they must get bored or
something like that, so they're like who can I poke
today just to piss off and see and like, and they're.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Ruining people's lives.

Speaker 7 (43:54):
That's like they think they come to coming to work
and they're putting someone in Segro is just like something
they do at work. But like that person you just
put in Segro, his family are now upset that he's
in Zegro. His missus could leave him, his mum could
be upset with him because he's not learning his lesson. Like,
it's a lot diverse than just coming to work and

(44:15):
putting someone in Szegro.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Like, there's shit going on in that bloke's life.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
It's a life.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I mean, look, you know it's something that we hope
that you guys out there listening take a little bit
of something from our conversations because you know, that's something
that I pride myself on with the Clinkers. You know,
we constantly get messages from people thanking you know for
what we do have him people like yourself giving your
time to be able to share your story and your journey,

(44:40):
and it's so valuable and I'm just I feel blessed
that men and women are able to enable me and
allow me to have mission to give your story out
to all these guests. You know, like I said, you know,
we're we're going to hit three million downloads this this
season and that's phenomenal. You know, I'm very proud of that,
and you're a part of that, so thank you. And

(45:02):
you know, I think the messages out there, guys, it's
just don't go down these paths. There's so much that
you lose, Your families lose. It's look at us, we
both you know, didn't get to see our sons born.
And there's so much more that I'm sure that we
could talk about. You know, I have a time, but
your opinion, Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
I tell anyone that's listening, you need to be goal.
You need set goals like that's you just can't like
get around with no purpose. You need to set goals
and wake up with a purpose. You need to know
what you're going to do for the day, think about
how you're going to get to that goal today or tomorrow,
like before better or whatever whatever it is you're doing.

(45:45):
Don't just live like because you don't know what's going on,
like you need like you.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Just lose yourself.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
There's a purpose.

Speaker 7 (45:54):
A lot of mental health stuff happening these days too,
and like as it like, I'm a fitness fanatic, and
a lot of fitness fanatics will say the best way
to get through mental health is physical health. You train,
you get into the gym, it helps out, It does
help you, but there's also other stuff that you can do,
which that's mindfulness as it is, so when you're training,

(46:16):
you're actually being mindful, like you're thinking about only what
you're doing.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Exercise.

Speaker 7 (46:22):
Empathy always makes you feel good, like you're always helping.
When you help someone else, you feel good like and
then even accepting somebody's help, like you think, I don't
want to accept his help, but you can not only
do it for yourself, you can do it for them
because it makes them feel good that they helped you.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
It is good.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I find it healing, like I actually find what even this,
you know, the clink I I And there's a lot
of a lot I like to do and be involved
with outside of this, you know, But I find it
therapeutic to be able to know that there's somebody else
out there that that will benefit from what we're doing
right now. You know it, you're giving, you're giving yourself

(47:00):
and allowing others out there to understand they're not alone,
you know, and there is people out there with.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Great advice who are successes like yourself.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
You've six months, you know, you've been out and I'd
like to ask you, Okay, so you're up for parole.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Let let's move forward a little bit here. You're up
for parole.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
You're in a C class O environment. I mean, you've
done years in the concrete jungle in the battle yards,
and and it is you're a soldier to come through that.
And I'm not saying a soldier as in you know,
being a staunch, tough guy and all the rest of it.
You're just you're a soldier to get through each day,
to come out to get to where you are today.
You know that right there is the hardest thing. You know,

(47:40):
everything else with it is an add on, like just
you within yourself to be able to move forward in
your life to me is so so awesome. I mean,
I don't know if you've met him. I'm probably sure
you have, but I grew up with Jeff Morgan from Redfern,
and you know, Morgans is out there doing some amazing
things these days.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
And you know, like.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
We we did some we did some good fucking bad
shit when we're young, like straight up, you know what
I mean, Like we were cueis and done things like
But the point of my conversation is, well, he'll tell
you the same thing he's done over twenty years himself,
you know, Like, and all he wants to do is
see people succeed.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
And you're not your past. You're not your past.

Speaker 7 (48:24):
That's the one thing I like saying to you. You're
who you are right now, Like you can do whoever
you want right now. People are going to remember your
past soon. You just got to think, like, just because
you've done that in the past doesn't mean that's who
you have to be. You're still that person, but you
don't have to have the same morals. I guess the
same mindset. You can mindset, Yeah you can.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I came out from I came out and I had
three years prol and I thought, what am I going
to do?

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Because I couldn't. I was living in a border town.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
My life was in Queensland and I had to live
in yourself while I was on the border because that
was where I was convicted and my time was you know,
so it made it very difficult. I had an oldest
son in Queens. Like really they made it complicated because
I was like I was a federal offender because I
was under a commercial importation. So for me, you know,
it was on the higher end of the scale when

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it come to parole. But I put my time and
effort into something similar like yourself. I didn't sort of
get the opportunity to educate it, but I I trained
and I brother, I became the first in the world
to cycle across Australia in forty five days on a
pushbat from east to west, you know, And I wanted
my children to know that their dad wasn't just this
shit person with these ship stories and background. And I

(49:35):
say that because it is shit as much as it's
made as who we are and what it is.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
But there's snuffing the glory of fire.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Brother, it's not the city and pump each other up
that you're the grouse because you did this or did that,
like whatever. It doesn't impress man, I'm sure it doesn't
impress you, you know.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
What to talk about that like story from back then,
because it's like I don't want to be talking about
like what I've done or something like that. It's just
it's it's it's because I want to be like I
want to be who I am now, don't even think
about that stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
It's like, that's my past.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
I'm not shamed of my past and doesn't happen. But
unless you bring it up to me, I'm not going
to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Yeah, And that that's.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
How I should be, though, because as far as I'm concerned,
you know, like looking at what I see in you
and and let's let's let's start to shuffle into that
because it's exciting and and I really spark up, you know,
like talking about what I'm seeing, what you're delivering, you know,
and you you're a bit of a freak when it
comes to athleticism.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I got to give it to you. Brother.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
There's only one other man I've seen that is truly
an absolute gem when it comes to his train and
that's Jeff Morgan.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Again, mate, that guy, the ability he has and what.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I've seen him do, and and you know, he's a He's.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
A special human. You're not.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
You're not much different, brother, how you train and what
you put into your efforts and you're just you're a
next level human, you know, Like have you always been
that way? And was it something that you'd start of
train towards coming out of jail, getting your parole.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
What was that like? And then moving into that part
of your.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Life, training is like it's what I love.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
It's like just progressive overload training, like it's it's conditioning.
So you start off at one level, like when I
first went to jail when I was eighteen, I could
not do it chin up. I couldn't even do half
a chin up, like like there was no point, there
was no like there was no chance I could even
lift myself a little bit like I was. I wasn't weak,
but I just didn't know what training was. Yeah, and

(51:39):
then when you're in there, you get so bored that
I use training as a like something to do, like
immus to keep entertained.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
So then I just started getting into it more and
more and more and more.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
I still go and being getting in trouble and stuff
like that, but then I still trained every day, and
then it was like it was like a cool thing
to do at one stage, like I did your train today.
It's like the only thing you talk about at one
stage in jail. And then when I got real, I
got real focused, like I always wanted to do fitness
for a career. It's just I didn't know how to.

(52:13):
And then when I got gold driven, and then I
was like, well what am I actually good at like now,
and I'm like, well, fitness. So then I'm like, well,
let's get fitter, like let's fucking push the boundaries here,
like what what can you do? And then I'd start
asking like people, what.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Can you do?

Speaker 7 (52:29):
And then like use it as a competition. So then
I just like keep trying to up and up and
up and up and up. And I didn't have like
I'll take a week off or two weeks off. I'm
just going to have have a cheap week this week
and just eat chocolates like I see a lot of
people do.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
That, oh the old biops and make your big cheesecakes
and yeah, like.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
I did that, Like I can cook some mass mad jail.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
It's fine, it's kickback. You've got to have yours.

Speaker 7 (52:56):
Yeah, but I still trained, like it's still like it's
just I just kept going, just kept going.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
So you you you when you were applied for a
pro or did you have a date for parole?

Speaker 7 (53:06):
So when I at first I had ten years so
you run a saw that, Yeah, at first. Yeah, and
then when my pill come through, then I wasn't and
then I got re sentenced nine months to go and
then that went away, so then it was.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Just normal normal parole.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Oh wow, awesome.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Because I got resentenced, so I've got a few charges dropped,
and then they resentenced me because I.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Still had other charges.

Speaker 7 (53:33):
I thought I was going home at sentencing, but then
I think I had nine months to go or something at.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Sentencing or and that was all done in the sea too.
You just kick back and just got it.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And literally I like it's funny because
like I hadn't been charged for three years, the last
three years of my jail, I hadn't been charged, and
I get sentenced and literally someone walks into the pod,
starts me off and off.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Something happens, and then I'll get charged.

Speaker 7 (54:05):
Then that was just before Plaso jail charge, but a
jail charge.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
Then like I went to Plasso in handcuffs at that point,
and then I just felt like like I can't believe
I'm here, Like I'm full, like on the straight, and
like I'm going to my last class that I'm gonna
have you in handcuffs and they're still get me see two.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
They must have seen the good new butt brother, honestly,
but that's a long time for men like yourself, but
for men like yourself who have done the jail that
you did in the way that you did it. Let
you're a high risk, simple as that. You know what
I mean, You're you're high risk. You're a violent offender
in the system. That's that's who you would have been
known as. The squad would have just had you as

(54:52):
a hit.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Every time I come in bom you would have stamped,
you know what I mean, Like you don't make around
with blokes like yourself in there and here you are,
you know what I mean, I've changed, man, Like that's huge,
you know, to literally know that the squad's turning up
at yourself normal ramp ik, which is is in C
Class A jails, whatever they go for you or chief

(55:13):
sweet warm check you no dramas, no cuffed up, no
no aggression, no violence, no getting turtled and smashed and
all the rest of it. You know, Like it must
have been a hard thing for you to accept at
that stage too, the like you're saying, you're sitting there
in cuffs, when you put that effort.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
Yeah, one PC, and I just felt shit the whole time.
I was like, there's so much effort I put into.
At that time, i'd become a mentor in that ASP program,
so I was like I was mentoring young people coming
into the jail. And then it's just the circumstances like yeah,
I was a mentor. But then like if someone comes
and like just wants to give me the way you're

(55:51):
speaking to everyone, and he addressed everyone with some words
that you can't say in jail, It's like, I'm not
just going to I can't sity. But then I think
about it, I'm like, maybe I could have handled it
a little bit different. But then like that just you
get triggered and then yeah yeah, and then I ended
up being in handcuffs going to class.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
So from that you get a sea too, and you're
able to stay in that Sea two environment.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Obviously there was no repercussions from that charge.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah. Yeah, that's truck.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah that's a blessing another one.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
At that point, I was just like, you know, like
God's on my side, and and I honestly was like
reading the Bible every day.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I had.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
A Daily Readings Catholic, that Daily Readings book where I
get read that every single morning without fail.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I had my Rosary, which I've still still got in
my car.

Speaker 7 (56:47):
I prayed twice. I've done the Rosary every night before bed.
I prayed in the morning. I prayed constantly. Like that's
when I actually like I still got like I just
I went to church this morning Sunday.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
So that's a good scene Christmas to you. Also went
to midnight Mass.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Looked in my mask. Yeah, I took my son.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Yeah that's that's awesome.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
And that's that's I honestly think that God's on my
side and even though like I'm still like sinning against him,
he still shows me compassion and love to be like
at that point, it's like as soon as as soon
as that happened and I got locked in the cell
and I was like, oh, you have to go to
segrad now.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
And I'm like a mentor in it, and I'm changing
my life. I'm not got a different like mindset space.
I'm like this can't.

Speaker 7 (57:37):
Happen, like I've put so much effort into it. I
just started praying again and then it just like it
just happened. I was just in see two jail.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It's like crazy, it is, it's very powerful. I pray
daily myself and I must say that you know I
see things clear and different. Even in my situation and
my battles that I'm going through and ahead, it isn't
God's hands.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
And but you you must.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Have genuinely have faith in God and give yourself up
to the Lord and just let And it's hard because
there's days there where we look in the mirror or
you know, we have that at moments.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Why Lord, you know, I know why? Why is this? Why?
You know, like I'm being the best I can be.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
But you know, even in my situation, I keep getting told,
you know there's there's bigger things that God's got for you.
Well I'm okay, yeah, I like what more can I say?
And obviously for you, you know, like your path it's
bright and you know you've got the Lord on your side.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
And amen to that, brother, because I think you know, like.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You've you've really got to be able to give yourself
one hundred percent and not.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Be a fool because people see through bullshit. And you know,
you and I both know that we can look at people.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I'm sure you can you know from where we've come from,
and it's all a lot for me is language. You know,
the moment I look at somebody without even sort of
hearing them talk, generally, you sort of get a fair
gift of where.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
You're at or what's happened.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
You know, I'm when the stolen person you're around and
and you know, sometimes it's a bit of a gift.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Sometimes it's a little bit of it's not good, it's in.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Trouble, but you know, like it is that it's things
like that that you you thank God for because it
could be that moment that saves your life as well.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah, and you know, here you are out now.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
Thanksgivings for God is very important too, because a lot
of people when they're in a hard hard times, they
turn to God and says, look, God, help me save me,
get me out of this. When they released not saying
that God, not saying that God does save them, like
he's not just going to like he loves everyone, but
it's not him. It's not him that literally saved you

(59:57):
from that position. Like God takes sometimes decades to work.
Like you read the Bible, it's like things things that
happen all the time straight away. Sometimes they waited fifty
years later and then he freezes people. But because people
ask for help when they're in hard times, and then
when they're in a good time, they forget about God.

(01:00:19):
So like, right now, I feel so blessed and like
I've achieved so much, and people tell me constantly like
and it's like it's good to hear people tell me
that they're proud of me. They can't believe what I've
achieved in six months of being out. But still, like,
I have to give credit to God for getting me
out of that mindset, because I feel like God didn't

(01:00:41):
save me from jail, but he saved me from that mindset.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
He's the reason.

Speaker 7 (01:00:45):
Why, and his love and compassion is the reason why,
one of the reasons why I wanted to give back
to him, and so I thank him every day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
I'll go to church every every weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Still like you're being aroundtle too for your family.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
You know, you're a man, a father, you know, like
this is something that you know you're now setting your
family's life up through your actions. Yeah, you know, And
this is what it's about for me, children, my children.
You know, I'm blessed. You know my wrongs have been
their rights. I'm so blessed my children, you know, from

(01:01:22):
twenty five down to nine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
I have three boys and a nine year old me.
I got a nine year old brother. He's my worry.
God love him. But he's just a machine. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
He loves just he just he's a beautiful boy. He's
just full of, full of anybody's the most affection. He's
the little teddy bear. You know, where's the twenty five
year olds? You know, he's independent, doing his thing. He's
very successful. And I was born with them. I had
a daughter who was born who's legally blind as well,
so you know, she's almost seventeen and she's she's doing
some wonderful things. I mean my thirteen year old son

(01:01:53):
as well. He's working two casual jobs in the holidays
at thirteen. You know, he's walking for twenty Yeah, love
and life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
He's an academic.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
He's in Rugby League Excellence up here in one of
the top schools. So, you know, us as role models
what we And I'm sure that you wouldn't be one
to hide who you were from your children either, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yeah, no I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
It, No, no, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
I don't tell him stories that he needs to know.
I just let him see me.

Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
Like it's like, I'm not going to tell him you
need to do this, you need to do that. I'll
show him in my actions what to do this. So
I'll be the person and I'll do what I want
you to do. Yeah, So I'm not going to sit
back and then like I don't drink. I don't drink
alcohol and don't smoke, and like I'll make sure he
knows that I don't do that because I expect him

(01:02:44):
not to do that at all too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I love that I expect And you know what pre
season's kicking off up here. You know, like my son's
got three weeks off before he goes back into his
program and he's he's one of the top locks in
Southeast Queensland for his age division. So you know he's
had he's had his down times and yes he's been
working on the holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
But I've been right, come on, we've got to it out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
We're going to get moving. We've got to start working together.
We've got to get your fitness up. You know, you're
going to come back into that school and it's going
to be full on. Bang, let's go, where's your testing.
It's going to be hard, it's going to be full.
Just before we've recorded today, we went out and did
ten k's together, you know, and I'm running with him,
and I'll be honest you, I've just had a double
spinal fusion. I'm ten weeks post surgery, and I've got
this nerve issue where I lose feeling in my left leg.

(01:03:27):
So I'm running, you know, like four k's in and
I can't film my left leg. And all I'm thinking
is I have to be the lead Horsey if I ask.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Him to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
And he says no, he's going to be right down
and say no, what I'm sitting back, just going get
out there and do that run that's pissing now, ain't
come on. And you know, like he was out there
and he said, Dad, do you enjoy running in the rain?
I said, I love running in the rain. It's replenishing,
it's cleansing. He goes, oh, what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
About our shoes?

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I said, well, shoes get wet, you know, I mean,
and it's raining up here today as you can see
it back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
It ain't a pretty day, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
And we got out there and we knuckled down and
we pushed through it and we did it. And that
moment is what matters, you know, leading and showing you
right now, and let's talk about that because it is
something amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
You are leading you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
You really are going to be at the top of
your game at what you do, and you've got some
great support you're working with. If I may say, Bam, Bam,
a UFC fighter out of the Druid, who's a banger
of all bangers. You know, what a great what a
great thing. I'm guessing you guys were buddies at some
stage maybe or.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
Was it definitely become buddies now from from the same area.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
And he knows, you know, what a trainer is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
He's been around a long time and he's he's working
with you and people that you've got around you. Just
it's starting to lift lift who you are and what
you're trying to achieve.

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
He's definitely a bloke. If he's fit and healthy, he
could be number one. He would be number one he
was fit healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
There's no doubt about her. He's just there's something special
about him. He's charisma and everything, but he has he's
just a banger.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
He can say it's no two ways and with this boot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Camp, how's that going for you were talking about that
earlier and you've now got set up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah, starting tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
So literally I was actually marketing, which is like, it's
crazy even think that I would be marketing anything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Like it's over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Smile on your face when even when you're talking about
the glow in your actual your face, the look in
your eyes, you know that your cheeks, it's just you're
just so happy with what you're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:05:33):
Yeah, it's like actually bringing me joy, a like doing
things now that I've just never pictured myself doing, but
because of my goals that I've set for myself, these
are the things that I have to do. I don't
like doing them, but I like getting results out of
them to get to my goal. Like I like where
it's taking me. So it's hard work. Like I didn't

(01:05:56):
get to sleep till twelve thirty because it was the
writing and program for a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Football player.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
Yeah that's going into like pre season and going into
training now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
So I didn't get into it until twelve thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
But then I work up still to go to church
at five am because I set my alarm a little
bit wrong because I was so tired when I set
my alarm, but I still I just got up and
just done it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
So it's hard work.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
Like I'm like, I try to get to sleep, but
it sleeps a bit off of them. And usually I
prioritized sleep like in the past of priorities.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Sleep is very important.

Speaker 7 (01:06:36):
But because I'm working so hard, like I'm struggling to
find time to be able to sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
But it's it's getting to me.

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
It's getting to be every day one step closer to
where I want to be. So I'll just keep doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
It's at one percent in it. And that's something else,
you know, embedding my children's head.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Just today you don't have to be the greatest, Just
be one percent better than you were yesterday, and it
adds up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
It just keeps stacking up. Sooner or later, you're going
to be a mile in front. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
If you give up and you just let that one
percent full behind, that's a subtraction, you know what I mean,
You're going backwards on You've got to go forward, just
that little bit. Like you said, you know those goals now,
just set the goals. You have those goals, a small goal,
even just hit that goal. You know what I mean
that's a win. Yeah, How can I ask you something?
And I mean this seriously because I struggled with this.

(01:07:22):
When you talk about your sleep, I mean you've only
been home next to no time. Six months is nothing
after what you've done, you know. For me, it probably
took twelve months to be comfortable to come out of
my bedroom. I would literally come into the house and
be happy to be in my bedroom where I had
my TV and the shower and the on sweet like

(01:07:43):
it just was. It was like I was in a cell,
but I couldn't bring myself out to sit in the
family environment area.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
It just didn't, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
And then the whole sleep you know that slightest noise,
you know because obviously you know you hear them walk
around or not, the keys and the doors cracking.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Just how have you done with that? Bro?

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
When I was inside, Like I was saying before, I
just worked on myself, Like I know exactly the fit
that feeling, because I've had it when I've been out
of jail before. Like I've literally sit in my room
where I was just about to call I sell them,
but it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Room at home outside of jail.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
And then look at my door, waiting for the screw
to open the door, like it's like I can go
and grab the handle, open the door and walk out
the door right now. And I wasn't used to it,
and I've been through that stuff, and then I've gone
back to jail, come back out, felt PARANOI didn't want
to go chopping centers, went back to jail, like I've
been through it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
And then because I lived.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
That experience, and when I made the decision to just
like just get to where I'm going, and it was
you don't just make the decision over overnight, Like there's
someone told me, what is that ninety percent of your
thoughts today are the same as tomorrow, So so you

(01:09:02):
can only change your thought that it might even be
ninety five like like one like ten percent every day,
but then you're still going to have those same thoughts.
But if you keep progressing every single day and changing
those thoughts even one percent every day, you get to
a point where.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
It's completely different. So things that don't happen overnight.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
But I kept working on it, and then I kept
getting reminders when bad things have happened.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
That's another reminder.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
Okay, I need to get back onto this thought pattern
and then just I progressed and just keep progressing. So
I worked on myself like a lot, Like it's constant work,
constant work.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Like even speaking to you, you're very articulate, You're far
from silly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
You're an intelligent man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Have you always though, been comfortable to you know, be
sort of speaking comfortably and relaxed, or of you sort
of always been a little bit more quiet, especially you know,
you know, you don't walk around whole conversations with hardly anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
You gotta be real tight before you even so experience.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
To podcasts and spin out about probably how much I'm speaking,
But like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
That's that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I could see just I've never we've never physically met,
but getting to understand you that you would have been
that style of bloke, wouldn't have said too much. But
here you are, you know, and you're able to freely
enjoy a conversation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I think.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
I think when I'm confident about a topic that I
can maybe flow a bit. But it's like like when
you start talking to me about like the past and
stories from the past, is like I don't want to
bring them up, Like I don't want to be treading on,
like telling stories from the past, like it's a bit
if you like, I haven't. And maybe that's why a

(01:10:47):
lot of people back, like from from jail, are like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
It's because they hold onto secrets from from there, so
they worried about saying the wrong thing and then getting
themselves in trouble or getting someone else in.

Speaker 7 (01:11:00):
Trouble even worse. So they just hold on to it
and just try to be quite, don't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
It's like paranoia.

Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
But I think I worked on myself enough and now
I have more positive things to say, and I don't like,
I just won't talk about things that happened in the
past because then it just might You don't realize that
you might.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Like say something that you didn't mean to say.

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
So then it's like when you go into like when
you when you get arrested, you don't go into an
interview room. It's not because you're guilty, it's because that
you don't know what's going to be said or what's
going to miss be misinterpreted. Like there was a case
that someone told me before he was in for drugs,
and I don't know if you know the old saying

(01:11:47):
it's old.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
I was just saying, saying, like I'm watching the grassgow,
like what are you doing. I'm just watching the paint
dry or watching.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
They took that as as watching watching where he grow,
watching the watching ice grow.

Speaker 7 (01:12:01):
The bloke was cooking like he was apparently he was
cooking eye and I was just saying, like he was
watching the ice grow like that was code.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
That was like he's at all, but it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Wasn't at all. He's like, that's not what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:12:14):
But that's why you just got to when you when
you're doing when you're doing something bad, like you just
like you have to fully watch what you say. So
when you when you do something in the past, even
like you just got to watch what you say.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
So I just it's nothing to hide it. It's just
you prefer not to not.

Speaker 7 (01:12:34):
To talk about it, which is why I think that
a lot of people from jail don't want to talk
about like they're quiet, they're reserved because they're worried about
slipping up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, absolutely agree, And I think that that's that's a
really good way of putting it, because I think a
lot of people don't truly understand why we are the
way we are I want to talk about today's business,
the name of the business, where's it gone, what's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Like, give us the full run down beefit Secrets. That's
that's the actual website, beefit Secret stock are you.

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
I just created a portal like it's I'm doing marketing
down there. Like I've got this machine where it's a
body composition machine, so it takes like tells you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
You obviously know what it is, like it tells your fat.

Speaker 7 (01:13:20):
It even reads your nutrition, your macros, like, it tells
you your macro to take down yeah, water and take
your muscle massive skeletal muscle. There's so much stuff. So
then like I had that down there, just giving people
scans and then get them signed into the portal so
then I can send them an email to be part
of it. And it's crazy that, like I didn't even

(01:13:41):
know how to open a word document when I got
out of jail.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
But that was six months.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Ago and you're already actually up to date with portholes
and stuff like that and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Doing all right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
I'm right, I'm using a word document to write programs
and the email them to people and actually getting paid
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, Wow, I'm useless when I comes to the technom
and I can use the social media's but I honestly,
if you said.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
To me, I can't need you go do a word
document this and that, I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Would, Yeah, I would freeze because I go to my
kids and go, hey, come help that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
For a second, they're like, what do you need that? Like,
where do you know this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Oh, that's just what we do, dad, That's what we
do at school, you know, because everything's on there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Their laptops at school. You know, they've got to have
a laptop in their grades that they're in. And it's
kind of handy for me because I can ask them.
But I get a bit embarrassed, bro, because I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
You know, I haven't and I've never never been in
the position to be shown or puts. I'll take the
ownership of that. Actually I've never put the effort in
to learn. Maybe that's a better way of being honest
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:14:55):
You have to love what you what you're about to learn.
Like that's yeah, that's pretty much why I learned it
so quick, I feel because like I've done the PT
core and every day like I'm like both ears like
pointing directly at the educator is top load too, so
like he he's he really taught me heaps just about

(01:15:20):
like I already know how to train people like I've
lived at so I knew, like it's progressive training, like
you see where they are now and then you just
progress them a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
And then you can push them a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:15:30):
There's but then there's things like the way you market yourself,
the way you create programs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
I still like, I'm still not one hundred percent confident.
I'm not saying confident like I'm not the best.

Speaker 7 (01:15:45):
On the computer still, but I know how to pull
up a word document and I know how to write
a program in my head, and I know how to
write it in my notes on my phone.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
So it's just transferring it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, And you know what I'm going to say, it's
actually your your socials are exciting, like they really are.
Whoever's doing or if you're doing, you're social.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Media stuff mate, far out well done.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
It is captivating.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
It's awesome, like it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
And the stuff that you're putting on there, and to
everybody listening, please go over and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Tell them all where where where can they find you
or your.

Speaker 7 (01:16:20):
Details on Instagram everywhere so b A W L y
U P s A N T A valley up Sander
Like I'm like, I post a lot of stories the
posts not too much but a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
I just like posting stories because I like to show
what I'm actually doing right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Man, what's what's what's your goal? What's your main goal?
And we know that where you are at the moment.
Where do you see yourself in twelve months time? Let's
just talk about twelve months.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
In twelve months time.

Speaker 7 (01:16:53):
You know what I would love to do if I
didn't have it, like a just training proper athletes, is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Have what's it called you work for free?

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Like the charity?

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
A charity, I'd love you charity too, but a no,
when you work for someone just just for experience, just.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Like a like a traineeship sort of thing.

Speaker 7 (01:17:20):
Yeah, like a trainee ship. There's another word for I
just can't think of it. Just doing that in some
sort of organization, like could be a football team and
just like learning off how to train teams of athletes,
like not just just one athlete, Like it's in ins

(01:17:41):
of athletes. And then one day it's like just I'd
love to just keep training athletes. I love to own
my own space and then athletes come to me and
then I'll just get a fit and just writing programs
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
But that's like just that's just in my head at
the moment right now.

Speaker 7 (01:17:59):
Twelve months time, just to be established in the fitness
industry and maybe you have a position where I'm helping
out in a massive organization.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Can I ask you would you come back on in
twelve months time. Yeah, I'd love to have you back
at twelve months time and just to just to just
to see where you're at, brother, because you know, like
I'm always inspired by people, but some people, truly, you know,
there's there's just something about them, and there's something about you,
you know, like a man that's done and you've done

(01:18:35):
hard time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
There's no two ways about it, you know, you really have.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
And it's a lonely walk sometimes to come out and
turn your back on that life, especially when if you
hold that little bit of you know, you walk into
a yard the boys know, you get a bit of respect,
you know, like it's a nice feeling and you come
back into the reality of the world and as they say,
just another bear bum in the shower. You know, no
one really cares who you are, where you've been, or
what tatoos you've got, or you just you just Joe

(01:19:02):
blow like for you.

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
You know, people get their back up about it and
then they give me defensive and like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Exactly do you know who I am?

Speaker 7 (01:19:10):
Like it's in the perspected like and you want to
speak to me like that, But it's like people don't
know who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
That's right, And the reality is people are getting to
know who you are through your actions in a really, really.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Great way and that's inspiring to me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Bro And I would love to have you back in
twelve months time and just rehash and and see where
you're at and see how the business is going, and
if we can do anything in a way to help
you and your growth.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
I would really be honest if you're allowed of that.

Speaker 7 (01:19:42):
It's it's it's a promise to come back. It's a
challenge to now get to where I just told you
where I wanted to be.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Beautiful, beautiful, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Yeah, Well, Bennie, I'm gonna I'm going to ask you this,
if you were to give information, not to give information,
Listen to me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
If you're about to give someone some positive now that
sounded terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
We don't give information full stop, but at the end
of the day, we love to give something back. If
someone was in your position that's listening to this right now,
and we're struggling and looking for advice, not information, looking
for advice, what would you what would you say?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
What would Ben say right now to that person?

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
Find a purpose, set a goal, take smart steps to
get to the goal. When I say find a purpose,
a lot of people don't know what I mean by that.
It's find a reason why you wake up in the morning.
It's like, what do you want out of your life?
And you usually people like, I don't know. I'm getting confused.
I don't know what I want out of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
What are you? What are you good at? Or who
do you want to be?

Speaker 7 (01:20:48):
It's like you think, you think, oh, I want to
be that person, but then I can't be that person.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
But why not? Why can't you be that person?

Speaker 7 (01:20:57):
It's like, yeah, you can't be that person tomorrow, but
in five or ten years late, like five or ten
years from now, if you keep taking active steps.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
To what was that, you can be that person.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Hard work, yeah, hard work, love it. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
There you have a guys, a fantastic story of redemption
from a wonderful man. And if you're in the Penrith
there or the western suburbs, make sure you're contacting. These
details are all there and we will inspire to put
up a little bit of a post and then helping them.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
For the record, I don't try and make you uncomfortable
for the record. You ain't trying to grow down the stand.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
For your for the record, laugh on me going hard
the way for the record.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Ain't trying to link, no, trying to waste for the.

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
Record, for the record, for the record, for the reading,
for the record, for the REGD

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