Troy Pilcher ... A Heavyweight Announcement ( part 1)

In this powerful and deeply personal episode, we sit down with Troy Pilcher — a heavyweight boxer known for his size, strength, and willingness to step into the ring with anyone.

But this conversation goes far beyond boxing.

Troy opens up about growing up in a tough New Zealand environment, navigating violence, fear, and identity as a young man, and how sport became both his escape and his proving ground. From rugby to MMA to professional boxing, Troy reflects on the moments that shaped him  inside and outside the ring.

For the first time publicly, Troy speaks candidly about the mental toll of fighting, the pressure to always be strong, the quiet moments of vulnerability after losses, and the difficult decision that he first announcesThe Clink. 

 

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Ain't trying to link no time to waste for.

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The record, for the record, for the for the record,
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For the record.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I don't try and make you uncomfortable, right.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Welcome back to the Clink Season nineteen. We are very
very proud of this season and as of all seasons,
we're grateful to have sord By Surf has been a
part of this journey now for quite some time. Hood
Shape Sideway Surf and myself I've worked together on so
many seasons now and we are honored to bring the
stories that we deliver to each and every one of

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you weekly. Thank you to all the support. And first
I just want to take a moment and say a
very Merry Christmas to everybody out there. I wish you
all happy holidays and look forward to delivering after this
one into the new year. Today's guests. He's a heavy hitter,
he's larger than life and a man that doesn't take
a backward step. He's someone that I've followed for a

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little bit now and really have a lot of respect
for purely for the fact of what he stands for
and which is a no bullshit type of attitude, very upfront,
very direct, and will stand in front of any man.
He is a heavyweight boxer and he's been in the
ring with the best of them, and now he's being
the best version of himself and delivering story today. It's

(02:02):
an absolute pleasure to have you on here, Troy Pilcher.
Welcome to the Thanks.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Brenda's awful to me and man, appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
It's it's something that I've wanted to do. And we've
had mutual I guess buddies that have crossed our roads,
and you know, the last one I had Dan sort
of touch base and we were chatting about you, ib
C Dan for those that don't know, who was a
guest on The Clink earlier last season and has a

(02:31):
phenomenal opportunity of making a change in the I guess
the fighting sporting it's not really m m a is.
It's it's just getting here and bang on the fucking
triangle here.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
It's happening to evolve the sport of fighting right like
the and like obviously with this day and age, where
you know, just trying to get that explosive impact on
the screen as fast as possible, right and just kick
people intrigued and exciting. And he's evolving like he's just
jumped on. He's an innovative guy, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Would you would you straight up would you have a crack?
Because I went to his last show and I got
to be honest, I was impressed, Like it is just
a no holds bar, it's you're in there and it's on.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I think if I was a little younger, I probably
would ever get heavy go yeah, just that keenness that
the boys hands just to get a finished. But I mean,
I think these days I'm kind of a little more
conscious of my own health and whatnot. But good on
these kids were having good crap.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And without further ado, mate, this is yours,
your journey and story, and I would love for those
out there that aren't familiar with Troy, let's get you
to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about
your upbringing.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I grew up in Jellen. I was born in Yellen,
two amazing parents. They're still still here today together honestly
made all my success comes down to those two, I think.
But like, I grew up in a pretty low and
come very rough area of New Yeans call put it
on his zeland. So if you if you know a

(04:07):
bit about New Zealand, you know you know what put
It is about.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
My children are actually all their mum's Kiwi. So I
actually am familiar with a little bit about New Zealand
and yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Man, so it was a bit of a minority and
like a net look long on came area. So I
kind of kick to myself a lot like as a kid,
you know, it was a bit of a nerd actually
a bit of a geek. Love. I love my sport.
Since I was a kid, I always had rugby balls,
hopping sticks, you name it, I had. I did everything.
My parents always encouraged me to be busy always, and

(04:41):
they were they will get me out of trouble, right,
So summer sport. I had to choose something once, I
had to choose something, so pretty much sprong up my
whole life. I played Sinister in the Start.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, the big friendly Giant Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
And then I played rugby in the winter, so as
you could imagine. Like obviously growing up playing tennis, I
did have a bit of a temper, so it cost
a lot of money. Have Pinnis records and whatnot. A
few of those got smashed along the way, right.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
All was out not the bold good.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
There were a couple of arguments print. But yeah, like
it kept me busy, and no matter what sport ever played, Brint,
I enjoyed to it. Yeah, I took it seriously. Always
in my mind pretended I was the best in the world,
you know, or wanted to be one. Always a professional
aside from the sneession of the records, but yeah, and

(05:38):
they kind of I moved into high school played first
in rugby. That kind of took up a lot of
my time.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
So can I ask you what what what were you
positioned in rugby? Were you a second row or a breakaway?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah? Yeah, I'll sick and roll sex here and out
here and there. Maybe not about you.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah you look like one nicely. I had one year
rugby and got band for life. I played rugby league
for over twenty five years, but I decided to play
rugby and got selected in New South walest country but
with rugby league you never let go of the ball,
and silly me, I just couldn't let go of the ball.

(06:13):
I couldn't learn to roll away from the ball. So
naturally I got rupped, and naturally the ball was close
to my head and I got racked. So me being me,
was looking up and oh, I've seen this prick rock
my face, and I thought, God, I'll get you. But
you can't play like that, brother, It's not it's not so.
But anyway, right in front of the ref, yes, I
walked up and I had seen the ball what I

(06:34):
thought was close to his face and professionally foiled and
rugby faith I was done. That was it. That was
rugby finished for me. Number five on the shelf. Yeah,
back to the league.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, I mean it's more of a different when sport
here too, isn't it. Like in New Zealand it's how
kind of it's a national sport, so I can't get
a little bit more rough around, you know, around those areas.
But over here it's a little bit a little bit different. Yeah,
very different. Yes, I played perconton rugby. I was I
was able kept in my personal pisift in high school
team for my final year, which was privilege and you know,

(07:07):
a lot of hard work kind of paid off there
and can we bit a conference? Obviously moving to the
next part of my life. I guess I worked for
a little bit afterwards in his yewand but obviously get
into a bit of trouble and my mum and dad
moved to Astrol before I did. I wanted to state,
stay back with my friends and party and do all
the rest. But I realized it wasn't much when we

(07:27):
lived back there, right, I think families were the homers,
and then my family left, and as much as the
place kind of made me who I am today, it's
just I needed to be with him to kind of
stay around and whatnot. So yeah, I moved over here,
jumped through a couple of jobs, so I played jump
strength back into rugby union. I played for on University

(07:48):
for a couple of years, so I played it for
the end of twenties. Who came sick in But just
like yourself, Brent, I think a little bit too roughly
as guys. I broke my hand one time. He punches
some guy that pre probably didn't deserve it, but even yeah, yeah,
the gentleman sport wasn't really kind of my thing, Like
it wasn't the same for me over here I saying

(08:10):
it wasn't a great sport.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
But yeah, no, now I felt like I for me personally,
like I don't know, growing up with rugby league union
was just always the chambro shirts and the red bloodstone boots.
You know, it was the rich kids, sort of Lardie dasport.
You know, we're all from the western suburbs of Sydney.
You played rugby league. That was it, you know, and
either that or you just you're punched on and you know,

(08:34):
like having that opportunity to my I had, like I said,
one year of rugby union, and I did make a
representative team. Was very proud of that Central Coast and
then country, but it didn't last. It was purely because
of you know, it's a different you call it a
gentleman's game, and I do believe it is a gentleman's game.

(08:55):
It's a very tough game, very hard game. But I
don't know, I found it very frustrating. I like a
go forward, moving constant.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
You know that ball movie.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
You're going not ground kick roll, ground kick role, you
know what I mean? Like to me, it's I don't know,
you grew up with it. I guess it's like me
growing up the league and it's one of those things,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
I mean we looked up to these all works like
our heroes. We had no one else to be really
kid about it. Looked up to every kid in New
Zealand there was obviously Yeah, that was the pathway the greatness,
I think.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I mean the same with the league players, in our
our players. So we're down in Victoria with the day
all right.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
So I mean asked you something when you speak of
because I know a lot of men from New Zealand,
a lot of five oh ones that have gone back,
a lot of members of different outfits there, and you
know I've spoken to many of them and a lot
of them that have stepped away. You know, they talk
about the younger years and many of them were so

(09:55):
naturally gifted and talented that the rugby was their way
up at getting to a strong rugby school that you
know was generally a boarder school type sort of thing,
and you know, it had structure, it had discipline, and
it saved their lives basically from you know, falling into
that slip strength. What was it like for you growing

(10:16):
up and was there much of those young men coming
through beside you in your team as Brethering's you know,
like through that or was it all sort of you're
all sort of very similar.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, that's a that's like a good point, mate, I
don't remember. I think that's a brotherhood like being part
of a team, right. It kind of really attracts you know,
a lot of a lot of people obviously going to
a bit rock where they've got, you know, home, isn't
it like you know, the comfortable place it should be. Right.
We've been around your friends and your brothers like your

(10:48):
that bond proughout the season, and I think that gives
you a bit of a bit of it gives your home,
I guess. But I remember seeing a lot of telling
for people coming through migrantage groups there were just guns,
but they just fell off along the way, I guess,
which just comes down to consistent who his kid at
the d of the day, And that doesn't matter how
good you are. You just got to stick at it.

(11:08):
But when you're on birth around journey.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Are you classed as puffy up? Is that how I
pronounced it? And how was that like for you, because
there obviously was a lot of MOULDI influence around the
area that you grew up in, a lot of gang
life and so on. Did you find it hard?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Not so much. When I was younger, Like I was
very like a scared child. I was. I didn't have
a whole lot of friends. I feel a bit of
bullying came on. I kind of kicked myself. I feel
like like you said, like I was a minority, like
a lot of islander thea is and a lot of
model communities as well. But as I started getting a

(11:47):
little bit older, I ended up fighting back a little bit,
as if it the magic kind of made me the
manna in today, like with just a bit of like
and so like you've obviously got Podal train station, so
coming home from school, like you've got five different schools there,
or went for the buses and their cats and buses
and then they were just it was war zone the plumbs.
Right then as you walk through the place, you keep

(12:08):
your head down, man, and you just look at someone
in the eye. Then it's you know, getting picked out,
and then it's to challenge and if you walk away,
it's it's it's even worse right.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
So that was Campbelltown station in the western suburbs. The
city exactly the same. You had to walk through a
tunnel to get to the main street and basically, you know,
you had your Islanders and your Asians and you know,
like it was back in these the Red and the
Blues or whatever you want to call them. John Hoppawati
was one of the main big bad gangsters then oh

(12:38):
Johnny boys, so you know, like yeah, I mean he
he'd go and rob kids on the train for their shoes,
you know, three four out and that stand over a
poor kid for a pair of shoes, generally a white
kid too. You know, that was the life, wasn't it.
You sort of you're right if you walk past and
just happ to look up or you know, look to
your left or right, you know, next minute you're being

(13:01):
attacked or you have to defend yourself. Yeah, it's like
and then moving through the Gold Coast, like I remember
for a few years, like that paranoid store on your
mind when your you don't trust anyone that's walking behind
you or whatnot. I mean, I'm not saying the Gold
Cross is like as a perfect place of any means,
but it's just it's not the same. In my opinion,
it would be the same coming from where you're coming from,

(13:21):
right where you.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Have come up here. It's just it's just, you know,
you've got these kids running around. Look in the big
bed this guy.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
But is really not We often talk about this in
our family home, having three sons. You know, my son's
at one's twenty six, one's fifteen, one's twelve, and you
know they're into their league and sport thankfully, but this
is the conversation that we do have, you know, and
they don't realize how blessed they are to live in
such a beautiful place, you know, and we try and

(13:50):
direct them in a positive manner to better choices, you know,
whether that through sporting or just academic or whatever it
might be. There are better ways. Their options aren't like
our our options were.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
We WI was minimal.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
It was there to get all, get got or be
you know, get or get got. That's just what it was,
wasn't it. You know, here you can walk away and
just sahit whatever I see later. You know, it's not
not not that sort of environment. But I must say,
on the flip side of it, it has got a
lot more one more dangerous, not more cunning, the sort

(14:29):
of caliber of crime, and you know the youth today
with I guess drugs and parents who got a let
to institute. But that's that's for another day.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah yeah, I mean, especially like just an off crime
and whatnot. It's it's really sad and wiping. But to
your point, I think again, as that's my credit. I
think it's your stampards. He's just having these And that's
why boxing is like obviously change a lot of people's lives,
right or league or you, and it's just it's just
kid kids like occupied. I think, I think that's really important.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
One hundred percent. When did you sort of start to
step in into that? I guess you come over here,
you're playing rugby. You said that you sort of found
that you were a bit two over aggressive at times
for rugby. Obviously your next step was fight. I guess
am I right in saying that.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Wow. I mean, it's a funny story there on because
my brother, my brother Kirey, like when he's quite a
bit older than me, when I was about sixteen, he
I think it was John Jones with lot of macheetah,
it was a UFC fight, and I fell in love
with it straight away. I was a lot of the
hell of this and it wasn't very well known back then,
like mainstream right. Yeah, So cont continued watching it all

(15:41):
through my man in my rugby career, and then I
think I just had a really bad game which I
didn't get too aggressive, and one at Dug Milk. One
of my teammates I think a few weeks later called
mom and dad and they always came to my sportal
games and even over here I told on quitting, I'm
going to give a mail cracker devastated.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Did you go mem a first?

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah? I did? Yeah, man, Yeah, I put on a
few eternal fights chill shows as an amateur.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Oh wow, I didn't know this. I thought you were
just straight up when in the okay, talk about this?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Even in the old stay tell.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Me how this is? I mean, yeah, I started training
it even major for a little while. Pretty quickly too.
I've got a top of fight. I think it was
the quicknest, the chimsy in the head.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Where where was that? Out of Was that a combat?

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Shouldn't you read carry dartin with the with the coach there? Okay,
I think it was pretty a little bit too early
because obviously that ground game you're going to really have
control over it, have a good understanding of it all.
I got choked out in the sickon round. Yeah, I

(16:53):
got choked out anyway, But like I have to on
maybe three or formal fights. It's a hard sport, man,
And like I remember my last fight, I just got
league kick on the calf and it was just I
think I talk about three of all of them men
like might need to even be in the same sense.
I had this big cutlett of my forehead from for
an elbow. Blood, Like, my whole face was covered in blood.

(17:17):
I saw, I saw mom, not for not for my
partner Talia, their way out of here, right.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
They weren't used to seeing that sort of thing, ain't
they used to seeing and sort of come out a
little bit bruised and not busted.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, So that was the decision to kind of move
away from that. But it was it was fun and
I learned a lot from it and made like wrestling
for example. That's in my opinion, I think it's the
hardest sport I've ever I've ever put my hand, put
my hands off, tried it like wrestling. It's just it's
just so grueling and intense and yeah it's something else mate,

(17:54):
Like it's just all chained, like you're playing the game
of chess at fast paced. You do something kid, you're
expecting to they might do something else. You do your
next movie. It's just continguencies buck all the way through it.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
So you contact countering basically.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Chilger is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's just so
texting on your muscles and youn't get you can't get frustrated.
One a quicker bit of frustration and then you're going
to be on your head.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
So I've had a few makes that actually are very
good at jiu jitsu. I'm nearly fifty, and to be honestly,
I'm shit scared of pop them a Neil shot yeah,
big boy. I'm like, I'm too old for this. I'm
happy to go back to the multi jim.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
But I just.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I don't know, I've never been one for the whole
ground and pound And don't admit, you know, like I said,
I'm not a boxersars and I couldn't wrestle for shit,
you know. I mean, at the end of the day,
it's just something that I've never really had a great
interest in and even watching it, I know that there's
a lot that goes into that. Like you said, you know,

(19:00):
like it is, it's tough to train, and you know
the competitiveness of the books, it's full on. I think
that you'd have to devote a lot of ours, a
lot of it.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yes, and you're the master every art, not a master,
but you would be pretty confident in every r right,
and then yeah, like you're going to have multiple injuries
as well, like that's just part of the sport.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Would you say that your stand up was your strongest
out of it?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Obviously, Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think by the end
of it, okay, I really understood that and I let
my hands go a little bit more and scared. I
would always try to stay away from the ground if
I could. But I guess that kind of that realization
and kind of pushed me towards taking on boxing full time.
I think I may have had one amateur boxing fight
in between, or maybe maybe two or three between the

(19:47):
Emil make career, but I stay much easier in my head,
like it just felt natural to me, right, Like I
just have to worry about, you know, getting chopped in
the car for being taken down and just been some
helpless right thry that into tea a big man like him,
or comes off your front foot.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
The first thing you have to do is attack that
front leg chop all right, chopping a.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Five spoty me, man, that I'll do exactly that. Yeah.
So yeah, moved into boxing. They had a few amateur
amateur boxing flots under under a mentor green Walker he
might not ye, yes, many, very great, so it was
it was he was my mental for many years. Yep.

(20:30):
He moved me into professional boxing. So he was my
my coach through that period.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
And I think, well, was it you and Corey in
the same gym with Greg at that time? No, Corey
had retired like a while before, so after Corey great. Yeah, OK,
so I may have been about twenty four twenty probably
twenty five or twenty six. Yeah, I'm thirty thirty one now,
so not too long ago.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
So Corey was done at that point, So Corey was
I was never really got to train with them like
at any point, but it was in my corner a
couple of times, so that was a great privilege. But yeah,
so yeah, I had about five also profiles with Greed
and then he had some personal stuff going on, and
then I moved on, but took him just so happened

(21:16):
to move he did, and that was happening, right, So
he did. It became my second big boxing intol and
water man that he.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Shout out too for He's he's a very special man
and I've got a lot of respect and time for him. Yeah, no,
we Yeah, definitely someone that I hold in high regard
and uh and I think many do. And in the
industry of like boxing, a man who does that not
man not notice you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Like yeah, wow, massive, massive personality, like massive, Right, you're
going to be coughing a lot of ship like it
should be a loud and he'll be humiliated bones and
he's gonna he's gonna put it on you too and
expect the best from you in every year of your life. Right. So,
and then obviously his network and he's giving his giving

(22:05):
personality to you. It just gives everything everything. He's got
an absolutely human he is. So I spent a long time,
most of the second half of my career with Fidel.
Yeah yeah, and then yeah, I had some pretty fun
fights with him.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Let's have a talk about that. For a minute, because
you really did take on some big challenges. You know,
when I talk big. For those that don't know Troy,
just googly his name. He's just a tower of men.
What are you six four now?

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Sort of anyways, I'm six too, six two Okay, No,
you're right actually in saying that.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I always and when I was a lot bigger on
the super heavyweight, I'd weighing one thirty one thirty five
and I was small in my tireshup, Like I was small.
You'd stand there at the face off and my hands
were like just babies hands compared to some of the
other places i'body standing.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Ag.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, that's for me. People don't understand, you know the
size of some of these amazing humans. And you are
not a small man by any mean. Do You're like
I've seen you in person from a distance, and you
stand out. You're a You're a big strong man that

(23:24):
can actually put his hands together. It's impressive, plenty of
a beg, big head, big.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
That's what you always said, they would stand out. But
you I've got Dency McKain right Like I stand next
to him, I'll be sparring him, and I just feel
like a bloody magic mate.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
How was that sparring someone like Dempsey, because that's another
man that is just a beast of a man. Especially Wow.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah, he's have some power, he does if it's some skill,
he's got experience, he's got the whole package. Right, He's
been there on the biggest shows in the world. That's
not the biggest show of Saudi, right, yep. I mean
in a way, it shows you where you are, like
like on that pink and order, whether it's far or
whether it's you know, you usually doing well, you're having

(24:16):
a good crapit and it's some good shots you know,
or maybe him, and often your your confidence goes up
a little bit more. But like maybe he'd always work
with you really well. He would hurt, yeah, but then
he would pull back and then you know, let you
kind of go a little bit.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
So he was someone that you would generally bring into
camp prior to your fighting for sparring.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I mean, I think there was he was in our
team for maybe two or three years. This boy he
moved on from up quite yep. So yeah, I was
working with him with quite a lot, whether it will
be drilling or whether we're doing like conditioning sessions or whatnot.
So it was it was a privilege to work with
him as well, got to kind of really get a

(25:00):
taste of of that level.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
So I think as soon as he came back from
the UK working over with Tonya and the UK, you
came to a gym.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
People don't realize, you know, they say, I was just sparring,
you know, sparring. Sparring is also sometimes it can be
worse than fighting on the day, like because you know,
like you get two bulls, like you two guys in there,
especially when you want to push each other and you
need to feel each other. You need to prepare for
what's coming because you're not fighting smiming, you are up

(25:31):
against other giants that have got power, skill, you know,
that are really there to take your head clean off. You.
Therefore need to step it up. Like for the average
Joe that goes in there and just gets through the
rounds and has a little tap around, you know, it
moves around, it's a little bit of sweat and heart
rate up, that's all good and well, like that's that's fine.
But for you guys, there has to be a certain

(25:52):
level you need to step up to.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Right, Yeah, I mean I think it's probably one of
the few combat sports where you like a lot of
the time you kind of go on hundred percentously. Obviously
you're not like even in a fight, you're never going
to be thrown beat bombs all the time. But you're
the rulers for most boxing gyms as you you know,
you spy the way you fight, So yeah, you're you're
you're taking those big shots and looked up the head

(26:15):
gear and it only really stops like cuts and broke
all the bones really meant it. If anything, I think
studies have come out now there where in here you
can make those concussions even worse because your head's just
getting kind of rock back and you hit the biggest
there's the biggest, bigger target. So yeah, it's it's pretty
grow and pretty intense.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, I think it is. And I think too, I
think you know, like you can really gain a lot
of confidence obviously knowing like you said, leveling where your
gauge is, as opposed to sort of going, oh, I'm
a bit out of my reach at the moment. Maybe
I need to to switch it up and grow a
little bit more before I step back in against such
a competitive sort of person or someone of a certain caliber.

(26:56):
It's it can very much humble, you can't it.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, I think like I always thought there was a
good like you need a bit of a balance, Like
you needed like guys at your level, just below your
level where you could kind of work on things a
little bit more, and then you need to spa those
good guys where they're kind of exposed where you kind
of lacking, right, Yeah, And like you don't want to
be sparrying the big guy all the time. I can

(27:19):
go all the time because you just got all these
confidences and you're just going to get beaten up. Then
you can't be sprying you know, the wicked guys like
too much because you're just going to get too big
for yourself and you know you're not really going to
be exposed when you need to be.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
You you got tested. You're tested, all right. You jumped
in with Justice, honey, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah that was a fun one, man.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
I want him to talk about. I was moving house
and I got a call from Fidel and he's laughing,
like he's laughing.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
He's like, I got an lougher for you.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
What is it.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
That Justice Hardy? And I just started pressing myself and
then my first question was how much the help.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Price on this one?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
He offered, He offered this one of the price, and
I said, Bucket, lit'ten the crack. I wan's to lose here.
I mean we're getting We're going to the sport, I
think doing it. We're doing anything in life for experiences. Right,
it's big bitten, one of the best review works in
the world. What what more could you want from? You know,
I was never a big amateur or anything. How this is?

(28:27):
This is the massive opportunities, I said, Bucket, I straight away.
So he called back Nick Francis for a couple of
minutes and couldn't believe it. So, yeah, it was booking
the decision now on, but the whole experience was unreal. Mate.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, for those that aren't familiar, like, just google Justice
s winning. I think that's about all you need to do.
And if you want to see his highlight reel, then
go for it. You'll realize the sort of steel nuts
Troy has by taking that fight in some short nervous
with the reply was instant. As you said, it shows
a lot of character and I guess now as to

(29:01):
who you are as a man, and you know it
obviously goes back to you as a man, young boy
growing up the way he did, you know, I guess
holding that level of respect and knowing that these are
the things in life that help you propel forward in
whatever journey it may be for you. You chose boxing,

(29:22):
so to become the best, you would have to fight
the best of that time or at those times that
were presented to you. What was some of the other
fighters that you were offered and fought.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Well both Here was definitely the biggest, biggest fight. Yeah.
I never really got offered a lot of fights locally,
like within Australia, which I found very surprising. I don't
know why I always wanted to fight. And keep it
in mind, that's no disrespect because I've actually had got
a good relationship with a lot of pretty much all

(29:55):
the Australian heavyweights. Like we always message. We're always talking
as Mentosi for example, we're talking about fighting each other
all the time, and in a friendly way, you know,
and then saying with Chris Tezierski as well, my last apponent,
like we were laughing, you know that throughout the help
read that when are we going to get this done?
And we obviously spar and then we talk about it
after this. Cret Steven Iivich is another one I would

(30:20):
have want to fight. Thought he's another great boxer locally.
I think he's got a big future of it. Man,
But yeah, there weren't too many offers.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
What do you think about young Alex Leopa?

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Oh, man, I was then to fight the other night?
Oh yeah, Like.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I've seen just assured of it before.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
And I was just like, not that.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I've been up the Nuggets gym when he's been training
up there, I've stood next to him when he's hitting
the bag, and I've got to be honest and say,
you know, he wasn't I think I learned. I think
it was sixteen, still sixteen and seventeen. And the power
that would come from that mean scenes you would hear
the bag just bo it was like a bomb and

(31:02):
you couldn't help but just stand there in all and
look and just go. I would hate standing in front
of this young like, I really would. Personally. I just
think that, Yeah, there's something unique about that young man.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I think what I see with Alis is just like
his professional attitude. Obviously it comes from his old man
and obviously been around Dave Naker and obviously the like
in form Brews down there, like they're just thorough winners, right.
I think he's just he's got that mentality there, which
is the first thing you need. But he's in confident,
like as he goes on, like he's really haven't in

(31:38):
the bag. It's easy at the bag, but doing it
in a fight's different. And he's slowly really stunts to
just trust that that you know that power and just
leitting his hands go a bit more so, and like
I think obviously being part of like a smart team,
which he is, like they're just going to take him
slowly and he's going to feel that confident. He's so
young and he's I wouldn't want to be standing in

(32:00):
front of him.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I was just about to say, have you been have
you been invited to spare him at all?

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I never know. I've never smarted. I've seeing them spim
I've seen Twitty spying what.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Was damp slow sparing him. That would have been interesting,
that would have been crazy to watch.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, it was so fun because obviously didn't. He likes
to keep a long range and even though quite a
big dude, he likes shutting down Yeah, he shut down
at this and love playing the inside dropping it like
there's a short liver shots. This is I think what
I've seen that it's the one he likes throwing them.
He drew a lot the other night too, So yeah,
it was as a fun. It's a it's a boxing fan,

(32:36):
you know, like during the watch where you're gonna go
like trying to run and crack him on the outside
and you know they pushing the pace. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I you know, I often sit back and I look
and I think, oh wow, you know if only you
know what I mean, and everyone's looks like anyone you know,
if you work hard something, you you can do anything
you can put your mind. I mean there's things I've
achieved in my life people will never do, and I'm
very proud of that. But for me, as I will
say it again, I'm not a box of asshole. But

(33:05):
you know, like I've always I don't know, I've always wondered,
you know what I mean, what I would you like
to actually just have a boxing bait, not not not
not a limbs and you know, throwing legs, elbows and knees,
but just just your hands. I find it personally very frustrating,
and I've tried to put myself in vulnerable positions where

(33:26):
I have no choice but to learn to box. You know,
you've got you just got to hold your hands up
and trow them straight. And it's it's just something that
I don't think a lot of people understand the time
and discipline that goes into the sport and what it
takes out of your lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, it's always like what Boy made with us is
start of boxing, Like it's just it's, yeah, you can
anyone can throw a punch, right, but it's just this
fine little techniques that really kind of make boxing what
it is that they're officially a high level. Like as
an amateur, most of the most amateurs are talks of
is stay long, stayl on your feet, the fundamentals, like
you need to have those. But as you go on

(34:08):
you start learning obviously the dark house of boxing, right
where you kind of drop an elbow, but it's the
face black, but you want to.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Man mate coming back, you know, the hard part of
the glove.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
I would just tapping the airs and so like yeah,
a little inside slap your record, but even just like
tying up and get on the inside and playing with
their hands a bit. Uh, it's just how you even
throw a right handed maybe many different variations. One thing

(34:44):
that taught me was even just like that instead of
just on on that straight shot, kind of like looping
over the top. And I've got hates with that one. Yeah,
it's just I thought some little techniques and variations you
can do and different stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Hey, he's the Huntsman hippie.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Man, he's cred A big name from South now, isn't
he he has. I've had him on the Clink Act.
I had him on last season and it was a
pleasure to have him on. It was just after his
first been up to fight.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I believe he's done. He's done extream well.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Maybe he's done well, and he's basically just taken his
own road and promoted himself to get to a level
where somebody took notice of him and seeing the potential
that he had. You guys fought two years three years ago.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, we had two fights. He had one.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
You dropped him once, didn't it in the second round?

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Was it first? So our first our first fight was
a draw. Yeah. The second fight was on the Limit show.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah. I remember seeing I was at the pub.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Victor. You were, Yes, that was that was a fun
one because obviously kind of that was probably the only
fight that there's real animosity. I think I've always been
friends with all my opponents, have been in good terms
with the wall, but this was the first one that
was really like and he had not.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Out So did you to have a bit of a
personal grudge for some real Is it just he just
didn't click with each other, or well, we're.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
All good in the first fight, but I don't know
the second one. I think that like we both thought that,
you know, we should have won for hour whatever whatever reasons.
And then you know, I think, just like any mean,
like we need to kind of establish w we stand
with each other, right, and at that point we both
had different thingings on that, and yeah, so there was
obviously a bit of backance imports to the socials and

(36:33):
it was fun. It's fun for everyone because I had
a lot of friends. We have a lot of mutual
friends and output insides or like I have friends that
would be friends of another guy that was friends with him,
and then a whole lot of friendships were broken up
over a day. I mean, I know, I just it's
a bit sad, but it just shows your attension that
kind of that was involved with that.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
So yeah, there was a fun one when when I
got that win. Like I think most fights, you fight
with one, I feel I have that like outs person
of emotion over a day or two and then I'll
come back at you like almost like a like a
drug extreme prize and then just a big draft. But
but then when I was I was like ecstatical four
weeks on the end, I just felt so good. Yeah,

(37:16):
it was awesome, but all respected him at the end
of the day, right.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
And big shout out to Hayes and keep on that journey. Brother,
you're doing good. You're standing up for the Kiwis and
the Aussies and we're very proud of you. And he's
taken he's taken a hard road. Let's just say that
he's not taking an easy route, you know, and he's
got to work for it. He's rarely go.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I was crazy. I was crazy, you know, like, and
to be honest with you, he would have continued like
and I think that he would have ended up getting
the win to just he had that bloke buckled and
it was pretty clear cut. I mean, the guy came back. Obviously,
doctor steps in and you know as it goes it's
in the best interest of the fighter.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
And yeah, it was stopping to do that sport man.
It's the it's the cuts I think for me for
that one, and the hands, like I've I've got a
few hand problems from obviously something probably scuted through punch
neck on the road the game, but it developed his eye.
Geno was one another one. I broke my hand on
my hand. He butts your hand as ye as you

(38:20):
thrown punches at him. So another time. Yeah, Big Jeer
is then other animal.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah that he's one of Jamie Moyers boys.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, he used to be like a few years ago,
but it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Was Jamie was promoting. I remember seeing him always on
Jamie's cards.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, early on his career. It was on Jamis quite
a bit and he hits a big He thought pretty
well against Justice, I think on just his debut.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, so now is he backing his Ziller.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
No, he's up in Brisbane. Yeah, he's back in the gym.
I saw him not too longer. He's he's back in
the gym, trying to cut the pick up the pounds
off of the last couple of years where.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
He Fuck, yeah, that's the thing. Once you start sort
of getting into that weight cut sort of thing, the
discipline tastes I think, you know, as a heavyweight or
super heavyweight as they call it, I mean, heavyweight is
sort of got to be under that one hundred really
ninety what is it? So?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Heavyweight ninety one is cruise all weight, So anything over
there is most walk around anywhere from about hundred and
five to one hundred and fifty twenty.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
What are your thoughts on these heavyweights in the world today, Like,
I mean, without going into too much because this is
obviously your story, but I'm curious on your opinion, especially
as someone who's been in the ring with some serious
contenders and you yourself being you know, a very very
crafty fighter. Where do you see the heavyweights as it
is now?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I think the craft is the best word for a
guy that octop too was so lucky, Yeah, because he
wasn't like he came up from cruiserweight, and he didn't
really put too much size on, Like he didn't try
to be like the other big guys a lot shorter,
and he used that skill and technique and footwork to
kind of you know beat like guys like Toys and
Fury and Anthony Joshua. These guys kind of just I think, yeah,

(40:19):
like they kind of took over the game, just using
that the size for themselves. But yeah, like I mean
I thought it's fun. Like I thought that like custom
Fury that they bought, you know, the headway boxing back
into the world. I think I love his attitude. I
love like this as care three Now they kind of

(40:41):
the sign up, right, but like you go someone like
this if you're just a fun dude, doesn't really say much,
didn't talk a lot of crap, but as As just
shows it and his skills as well.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
So oh yeah, his IQ is well above most very
very intelligent human you know. Like I actually listened to
him talk the other day, and I think, quite if
I'm wrong, Anthony Joshua is getting in the gun into
camp together, I believe. I think it was Anthony Joshua,
and it was an interview about why they're doing it,

(41:11):
and they're trying to sharpen, you know, and I simple
as that sharpen each other's skills. They are going to
help each other, you know. I think Joshua enticed in
to fighting again. Aren't they something I think, sure, I
haven't heard that.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I wouldn't be surprised that. I mean, before that that
did happen, I think Joshua was talking about fighting Jack Paul. Yeah,
I don't know if there's a spectacle and like just
the kind of and it won't end up pattering. Who knows,
But yeah, they're strange.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, I don't play much in it, and I've seen
one one little video and I looked and right, I
just I just think it's a circus. But anyway, that's
just my opinion. And you know, that's one of those
things I guess that you know, people have got to
try and keep the interest. But I don't see why
we need to go down that path because we have quality.

(42:05):
The fights are exciting and the caliber of fighters that
are out there now and who's holding the hand up
for the heavyweights absolutely, like there's no two ways about it.
You you get your money's worth if you're you're out
there as a punter and you want to see something
that's even in Australia, you know, like, how do you
feel now? I guess because we'll get into it, but

(42:28):
you're on a completely different journey in the path today,
But how do you feel as somebody who's been at
a very high competitive level within the austrange heavyweight boxing
and then now seeing do you feel that if you
chose to, you could be competitive and get back in
there and you know, really sort of take it up
a notch.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
But I haven't really been made an ounce for that
retired yet, but it could probably good good time to
kind of put it out there. Yeah, man, I've decided
pretty recently.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
So this this is this is pretty well the first
real time you've Yeah, hopey.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
It's a decision that's kind of been on my mind
for a little while.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Shit, I hope got in just pro young.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I thought I thought today would have been a good,
good kind of bring it up.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Oh yeah, congratulations, bro, I have a stellar career, Like
I had no idea. And I'm actually a little bit
shocked because you're just still such a healthy young man
that now I know, I know where we're going to
go with this conversation in reference to what your goal
is now and pertinent. So I get it and it
makes a lot of sense and it will, I guess

(43:39):
to our listeners as we go on. But I'm actually
in shock to hear you've you've publicly just denounced it
that you are retiring.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, I mean, I thin guess we'll go into it
a little bit a little bit on in the podcast,
but it was an easy decision for me, Like it's
been playing on the one for a couple of years
and I've got something to transition you to, like and
move into and then and really kind of maxlling on
my elf, you know, somewhere I can kind of look
back on the career that they've had and like, obviously

(44:09):
I didn't. I've got some good a world ranking in
the graduate division. I've bought some of the best guys
in the world of the fight the kudos Bancarine, but
to meet, you know, some amazing people that stannybl Williams,
you know, like or whoever else to get the punch
onal justice TONI and like, I can look back on
that and come on, grandked to go there one day.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
So brother, there's few men that are going to be
able to ever say that they stood toe to toe
with some of those men. Like, let's be honest, you know,
there's only so many heavyweight Australian boxes at that level
and they are all quality. I really feel that each
and every one of you are all able to put
on a great spectacle of boxing. I get excited to
watch it, and I think many people do. We're not

(44:49):
short of any up and coming heavyweights either. There's there's
definitely a stable of some bloody good fighters coming through,
you know. I guess the thing is, you know, as
somebody like yourself, you know, Jenny Green's a good mate
of mine. He was up here a couple of weeks
prior to the big show, just there last week, and
he and I hung out for the day and we
went surf and and just just chewing the fat as

(45:09):
you do with Green, and you know, like his passion
is just next level still, you know, even through Archie,
coaching Archie's son and then bringing him through his journey.
But he's so and I have just so much appreciation
and respect for him as a man. Everything is earned

(45:30):
and it's all structured. He refuses to just it's given.
You know, you've got to work for it, You've got
to earn it. And that's coming through seeing his son
Archie at the moment and a fantastic talent ahead. Like
and I'm not just saying that, you know, he's he's
something special.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
You talk about genetics and you talk about pedigree, you know,
and there's obviously Mundane's son's trying to stir the pot
up and get that rivalry between the families. But I mean,
you look at the Zoo Boys, and you know, there's
other families out there that have had fathers, brothers, uncles
that you have been world class fighters, that literally have

(46:12):
just moved forward through the blood channels. I guess into
that that transition of life.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
You know, Greeny Greeny is such a part of some
of my point being is do you still feel that
drive and passion? And now we're talking about that retirement,
but do you still within You look at boxing and go,
I'm going to go lace up with gloves. So I'm
going to go, oh, well it comes by you, buddy,
I'm free, you know, like, give me a call or
is it just I'm done Now. I've had my time.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
And I think the best way to answer that one
is take it back a few years. I think it's
about halfway through my career. I've been really fortunate to
pull myself into really good company. I've got a good
friend of mine, Chris Fraser Is He's a surgeon at

(47:00):
god Coust University Hospital. But he was, you know, like
he when he started his doctor journey, like he didn't
even have a year twelve when he's two years old,
and you know, so now now he's decision you know,
at the at the hospital and he's a good friend
of mine, and he kind of always believed that I,
you know, I'm very thoughtful person. I was. I didn't

(47:21):
collect there and I never really believed that in myself.
So halfway through my career, I was always a little
bit worried about the damage that it was caused and
maybe and then I never wanted to be that guy
where I kind of peaked and boxing. So I began
a business degree with the support obviously of the support
of Chris and my parents and like everyone else around me.

(47:41):
And then I was getting through that and then I
moved into while I was in the business degree, while
I was boxing, I'd started a law degree as well.
So that's their journey began. And yeah, one of my
one of my sponsors from Quinn, Lord Lee Quinn. He

(48:02):
he looked after me for a couple of years for
a boxing career. And then here's another one that supported
me and he took me on as a look like
at his at his criminal awesome and the gold Coast
there so well another another amazing man. So like I,
I was so fortunate to have all these people around
me that just kind of like carried me through. And

(48:22):
yes I've been I've been doing that for a little while,
and then yeah, I've I just it was an easy
decision for me, like because I didn't want to throw
those lace those gloves off anymore, like I like it
was it was too hard like that. I just you
really got to be in the trenches, you like a
little bit drip of tire, right, Like he just loves

(48:43):
to be like a net grind, like I just and
I used to have that, but it just didn't it
just didn't happen for me anymore, Like it was becoming
a struggle. Was like I couldn't get myself into that
mindset the way I used to. But that's purely because
I kind of had that transition already there. And it's
that that paper is right before my feet now, right

(49:03):
and that last fight when I thought, this is no
excuse whatsoever because dress is an absolutely aspeed. But like
my mind was in too. I have my feet in
through different doors and I needed to after that fight,
like after kind of knock me out. Hey, yeah, it
was a bit of a listener, right, Like anything in life,
you got to commit to what if you're doing one
hundred percent? And that was the wake up call I think.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I've got to say. And in reference to that, and
you just hit the nail on the head and you know, yes,
it's a sport, but it's not a game.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Everybody's a box until they get a punch in the head,
you know, and then they sort of realize I'm in
the fight game. You know, you sort of you're you
must be committed, you must be disciplined, otherwise you will
get hurt. There is no other way around it. And
I think you, you know, put in yourself admitting just

(50:02):
stand that you're only sort of half in, half out.
You possibly didn't give yourself the best option for you
to you know, go through and win that fighte It
was a little bit of a luck thing, wasn't it,
Rather than what I am committed to winning this fight.
I know I'm going to win.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Well, I can't really thought I did like I thought,
I don't know, and I didn't try any like any
less like my boss game of the time off right,
But I was still studying, so like like again's that's
why I had no excuse whatsoever. So we will have
our stuff going on and our injuries or whatever it
may be. But like I genuinely thought I was going
to win that fight, like I truly believed it, but

(50:41):
I wouldn't say, but enough, I did get pieced uf
a little bit, and I didn't get fucking stopped. They
didn't get dropped pretty twice, and I've never actually watched
that fight back there, that's it's pretty iris too much, right,
But but it was a wake up call and sense stuff.
I was like, I need to make a decision. It
was a bit of a you know, one of those
moments where you realize, like iket thinking deeply about why

(51:04):
things are the way, and yeah, that was that was
it for me. I guess it was that board that
I was trying to avoid by it's taking on studies
and whatnot. And in a way, like I guess I
did avoid a lot of it. But you're right, like
when I gave it up, it was I have to
find mutual now, right, like I need to find I

(51:26):
got to find a new reason to get back into
you know, keep them your body weight down and keeping
that mental health and check because obviously that's the big
thing that boxing gives you. It give see, like a
lot of mental clarity, especially for us standing be angry
with me, you know, like yeah, but the one thing
that obviously i'd love to I'd love like my life.

(51:47):
Will we listened to other boxes, is you know, you've
got to prepare for that that void. Like it it's like,
I mean, to be good at anything, you need to
have some kind of liverle intelligence. And like, again, I
was lucky enough to have people that believed in me,
but I believe there's a lot of boxes that just
have that ability to make something of themselves after their
career is over. And I think that's really do preparing

(52:07):
for it, whether it's a tape course or you know,
whatever it may be. You know, everyone's different. They need
to go to university if they could, you know, yeah,
finally a way somewhere else, but just prepare for it
as well.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Can you share with this? And look, I don't want
to poke and prod into your private life, but what
were some of the dark times for you that you felt,
you know, we're really maybe out of your reach and
questioning had you made the right decision in terms of
in life in general and coming away from something you
were so passionate and driven to be great at to

(52:45):
then like you said, had your study. But generally that's
that's the mask, what we call the mask.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
You know, well we all do it.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
It's like they say, you can't give up one drug
for the other, you know, your substituting, but the emotional
side of it and everything underneath this, this mask is
still there. Take that mask off at night and you're
still sitting in the hold in your bedroom and your
head between your legs, going fuck, oh, you know, like
it's too much.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
It's a it's a really good question. But because like
it took me, I just had to think about it then,
and I know what it is. It's just that they're
being vulnerable. Like it's just like obviously it comes from
my childhood. I think. Then, you know, I don't get
that lonely kid and and that like in that kind
of community where it's a bit rough, and then you
kind of like you don't really control of anything, like

(53:31):
you have to go to school to be bullied. You
got to like figure out a way through that. And
I think boxing gave me that that the strengths, and
it took me away from being vulnerable and like obviously
taught me that you got to you got to work,
prepareful things to be to not be vulnerable, right, And yeah, yeah,

(53:51):
it's a I think that those are the darkest moments
when we when I lose a fight, also had a
babe buying session, or had an argument with the miss,
you know, and you're afraid of many things that could
constantly come from that, And those that were my darkest
moments usually begin And yeah, I think that's my motivation
to do anything productive in my life. I think, yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Was some of the tools try for you that enabled
you to be able to come back out of those
dark days and those places? And look, we can all
sit there. I just threw my runners on and I
do it all the time. I just say, look like going,
I run thirty k's or forty k's. That's what I do.
Like I literally people say shouldn't run from your problems.
I put something up on my Socialist the other week
and I thought, yeah, that's that's true.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
But for me, if I.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Stopped running at fifty years of age. I hated running.
I'm a front row. I'm a fat fuck that just
you know, enjoyed muy Thai. I played rugby league and
we're well, you know what I mean. I just had
this natural endurance. Next minute, I wrote a push back
across Australia. I did Iman's half Iman's. I found a
way of using my negative in my mental health and

(55:03):
putting it into a positive to be whatever I wanted
to be. But it's the road getting there that I
find is the hardest, because that moment, like you know,
like I got a call a few weeks ago, I
want to do an ultra rum yep, sweet two days
notice no trainer, run out and round seventy two k's
miss and down ground subbly how and whatever. I took
it on and I conquered it.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
I did it.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
So it's not about what you can't do, because we
can all do whatever we put our mind to you.
But how do we get to that point of actually
acknowledging oneself and saying I can do this. I do
believe in myself.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah, I think. I think losses are extremely important. I think,
and what loss brings you, it brings you devastation. It
depends what you have lost at the end of the
day too, and it can make or break here. But
I think it's important when you do chet those losses
or when you're feeling in that way. I think it's
important to feel that way, knowledge that you are down,
and you know how I express your emotions, like however

(56:03):
way you want or how however what you need to
don't try to avoid it, right like you obviously throw
that's fuck an angry song in the car that says
so or whatever, Like you just feel it away for
a little while. That's just the way I've go with it.
But at some point you've got to fucking just deal
with it, Like you need to just pull your head
in and realize, you know, after feeling that way, you
got to figure out what's next, Like how when I

(56:24):
pushed through this, how and I'm not sure it doesn't
happen again? Or what can I do now to improve
the situation? I think that's.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
How did you feel as a man though, Troy, being
this this you know, strong man that everyone looked at.
They just have these heavy hands and you know you're
you are I'm pissing in your poppet you're a man
that can actually yep, I'll take it on and jump
the ring and it's just another day in the office,
so to speak, and hands up.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
And off you go.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
It takes a lot of bulls to go over the
ropes and you know, let alone stand there and put
your hands together and in a competitive way with other
monster of men. You know, was there times there where you,
like you say, you know, you come off a bad
session or a learn. I like to call it a learn,
not so much a loss. That's just my way of
looking at it, because we all learn from that moment

(57:18):
and it hurts. But how does a man seem to
be so strong and you know, yeah, just just a
warrior to then find that darkness and dealing with those
demons and that inner questioning of you know, where did
I am I good enough?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
I think I think in boxing you're almost trained to
deal with with that as a professional boxer that's had
a lot of fights because and as like inspiring unit
coop mindings from amate it right, like, that's just going
to happen and you're going to feel bad about you.
I feel any fuck, I'm shit, I'm not good enough?
Like you've got to quickly as out to it. Then

(57:58):
you're gonna you're gonna come in an experience session and
you're probably gonna come another hide and you're like, oh fuck,
I'm just not meant to be I'm not good enough.
List it like, but you gotta like it happens on
repeats so often in your career, like it's it's a
it's a three weekly cycle, like you know, so you
gotta quickly, you gotta quickly adapt to that, and you know,

(58:20):
you gotta figure out the way to get through it,
and you gotta figure out why you're you know you're
failing and you're learning right, and then that's how you grow.
That's the that's the only way you grow.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Photo record, I'm done try and make you uncomfortable, photo record.
You ain't trying to grow downy stuff for.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Your photo record.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Live on me going all the way way. Photo record,
ain't trying to link, No, trying to win stuff for the.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Record, for the record, Yeah, for the record, for the
rede for the record, for the regged.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Hey,