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July 31, 2025 13 mins

Jasmine Sanders is Talking All That Jazz with author Derrick Barnes. Barnes, who is just off of a book tour, talks about going from working as a copywriter for Hallmark to being an author. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is out of the dal.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
You can show your twenty twenty five edition in case
you are going to be in Saint Louis, Missouri. I
will be there this Friday, Saturday and Sunday at the
world famous City Winery. I'll be there to Friday, two,
Saturday and one Sunday. Looking forward to it. So I
I don't Abby Phillips. Of course, he has a show
on CNN and Scott Jenny's who I want to Throttle

(00:20):
and the do Kevin Learry.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
But he's stuck.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
He's like, uh, he was talking about Trump and the
Epstein debucle Now a lot of people thought it would
be over by now I knew it wouldn't be, but
he was Basically, if you really cared about this women,
you would keep harping on it and dragging them out.
They want to get over it, like how do you
know that? See which white men think they know everything,
which is why the world is the way it is.
They without sight, unseen, never met anybody, never talk to anybody,

(00:47):
probably didn't even buy the story.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yep, all of a sudden, now you're an expert on
what these women need to heal.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
They are childbearing ag and they got children and he
said it's pragmatism. Pragmatism is probably when you're pragmatic, that
means you take in information, gets both sides, and then
come to a decision.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Correct, not the ones we're in. The situation we're in
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Because Trump promised members on the right, because they believe
all the conspiracy theories that that this was a there
were democratic pedal rings and that they were gonna all
be exposed in a deep state.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
He threw that out there like red meat.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And then when it came time to put up a
shut up, he knew his name was on that list,
and he pulled back and they didn't like it. And
now everything like when he's talking about Jeffrey Epstein, he
was talking about how, you know, he took some of
their workers. What is the sixteen year old doing at
a spa?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Correct working at a spa?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
What is I mean? Honestly, I don't care if they're
taking tiles, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
You gonna see naked grown people, and then Florida're gonna
see naked old, grown people. Here's the simplest thing. I
didn't do it. I'm gonna I'm clear my name and
take a look at everything. He'll never say that because
the thing we talk about this yesterday, eighty eighty percent

(02:06):
of registered sex offenders in the United States of America
are white males. Interestingly enough, if they you could they
Charlie Kirkin a liking quote statistic on black criminality at nauseum.
But never you know who who rapes the most? Who
who who who sexually assaults the most? Who is the

(02:29):
most dangerous when it comes to children?

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Never that.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Black people at three percent?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
So they will protect children from anything but them.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Look, if you look.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
At every behind every scandal from I don't care if
it's from Catholic the Catholic Church. I don't care if
it's Penn State. I don't care if it's Ohio State.
I don't care if is uh the Boy Scouts of
America or death death schools across the country. Who were
in charge and who was in charge of investigating those
those those people charged?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Who was it white men?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
And who is the ones who hand out these leaning
sentences on that?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Who is it white men?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah? So it what does it say?

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Mmmm?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Well?

Speaker 6 (03:14):
Obviously not as well as you writing all these books
and being so successful.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Man, I just got off the road because you know,
I had a little makeshift tool.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
They had me in black on book stores.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
So I'm also like a month where I'm working on
like three books right now.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Oh my goodness, that's amazing. Yeah, So how do you go?

Speaker 6 (03:36):
How do you go from being uh the creative copywriter
at Hallmark to now writing your own books? So basically
you just expanded, you know, obviously in a different direction
in terms of writing.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
How do you make that move? And what was it?

Speaker 7 (03:50):
Then?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
You have you always wanted to be a writer.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I've just been a creative person, you know, all my life.
I wrote for my college news newspaper, Proud Aluma of
Jackie State University. I wrote a column called brown Sugar.
My name was well, you know, everybody on the yard
called me Hershey Brown.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
That was my nickname. So it was brown Sugar written
by It was a vice coll was it was like
Philly d Williams me dear Abby.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
And so graduated from there.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
I did the whole spoken word thing and Hallmark was
my first was my first job, you know, right out
of college, and it was like being a graduate school.
It was my first time being in an environment surrounded
by you know, other creatives, so many talented artists, painters, writers,
and landing.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
My first book deal.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
The guy that illustrated my books Crown and O to
the Fresh Cut, and I am every good thing going
to see James. He actually worked at Hallmark as well.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
He connected me with my literary.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
Agent, like in two thousand and three, h assistant named
Regina Books. I've been ever since two thousand and.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Three, so well.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
I love the fact that you know the titles, you know,
the King of Kindergarten and even the one about you
know the Crown, you know I you know and Owe
to the Fresh Cut. All of these things speak to
not just children, but I think even when adults such
as myself, when you see these things, you know, I
feel blessed and lucky to know that, you know, there

(05:25):
are titles and books that that can contain subject matter
that was not available when I was a kid. You know,
when I was a kid, it was you know, everything
looked a particular way, and it certainly did not include
black and brown kids. And I think we already know
how impressionable kids are and they like to read stories
that reflect them. And so is there is there something

(05:45):
about your childhood that kind of made you decide, you know,
this is the because I mean being when you're a
great writer, you can write anything, but you chose a
particular topic and content is is it because of.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
How you grew up.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
I think a lot of the to do with my
roe as a parent.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
We had four beautiful sons. I have two boys in college,
one in North Carolina and t he wanted said, you
know state we're HBCU. Certainly, but I think a lot
of it just just just comes from being the father
was the Mighty Bones Brothers. We moved to Charlotte. I
live in Charlotte now, like eight years ago, and I
had eight books out, and my career just was fizzling,

(06:26):
you know, I was.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
I was on the verge of quitment.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
But I didn't quit.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I continued to write books.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
I wrote like thirty books between twenty eleven, twenty and seventeen.
And we're first old there. You know, My office was
pretty fair, didn't have any firns anything yet. If I
would sit on the floor and work on new books.
And one day my second eldest boy solo, he's eighteen now,
he's just like ten at the time he came in
the house smelling like outside. He had been playing basket

(06:52):
on the back and he saw me working, and he's
an apple and he looked.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
He looked at me. He's like, Dad, you know what
you should do? He should write the blackest book. You
already not getting no book deals. So you know, he
reminded me of who I was writing for. Like I
had started to write for those gatekeepers, but Solo reminded
me that I'm writing four and two black children, and

(07:16):
so I always try to center my characters and center
my stories around issues that affect black children. I always
want to make sure they are the center of every story.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I want every.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Black child to be able to go into a bookstore
and see my books.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
And feeling power. But it's also important.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
For white children to see black children as centers so
that they know that they're not the center of the universe.
I think every child's every race deserves go into a
bookstore a library and see a book that centers them.
But I always want to make books with black boys
or they have their heads up and empowered, smartest ones,
betwenty pages, you know what I mean. Just you know,

(07:56):
you know the heroes.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
Derek thank you so much for the heart work that
you do. And you know what, I'm going to look
you up on Instagram. I'm going to follow you. I'm
going to repost and post about your books. I'm going
to buy the book.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
All right there.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Thank you so much, Derek. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Continued success.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Thank you, thank you so much much love, thank you.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
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Speaker 4 (08:17):
And now it's time for the shoe Moody of the
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Speaker 7 (08:26):
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as the junior United States Senator from Texas since twenty thirteen.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
He is a bad, bad man.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
A member of the Republican Party, Cruise received widespread popular
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given credence to the false claim that the election was fraudulent.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I'm sure of it.

Speaker 7 (08:59):
I hate So. Why is Ted Cruz this week's recipient
of the Shoe Booty of the Week awards?

Speaker 8 (09:09):
Lying?

Speaker 7 (09:10):
Ted gets the shoe booty because he was literally tripping.
You're chewing me small, Tellytubby. Ted is drawing heat for
chasing the sun in Europe as his constituents back home
dealt with a devastating crisis.

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You are hopeless and I washed my hands of you.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
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Kremlin Cruise was in line to visit the Parthenon in Athens, Greece.
This is after Governor Greg Abbott announced twenty four deaths
and signed a disaster declaration.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
This guy, this is not my kind of guy.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
And speaking of canned Kuon, this is not the first
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Speaker 5 (10:07):
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Speaker 7 (10:09):
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Speaker 7 (10:21):
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Speaker 4 (10:34):
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Speaker 7 (10:37):
And that's why the shoes Booty of the Week award
goes too.

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Speaker 1 (10:48):
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Speaker 2 (10:52):
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Speaker 2 (11:12):
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you know, secret sure.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
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cat swinging around and you know, as the saying goes,
you can't swing a dead cat without hitting the shoe booty.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
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Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's pure peraded right there everywhere.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I ain't never swung a dead cat.

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