December 10, 2025 • 41 mins
Dave Rubin joins The Erin Molan Show (Episode 62) for a raw, inside look at the fracture inside alternative media — and why he thinks the Tucker Carlson & Candace Owens bubble is about to burst. As one of the OGs of independent podcasting, Dave talks with Erin about the rise and corruption of legacy media, the opportunities and traps of the alt-media boom, and how easy it has become for podcasters to chase cheap, viral outrage instead of truth. Together they dig into: • How Dave went from mainstream TV to one of the first big independent long-form interviewers • Why the failures of legacy media on Russia, COVID, Jussie Smollett and more helped force audiences into the alternative space New Hampshire Public Radio • How anyone can now look like a “journalist” with a desk, a mic and a blazer – with zero standards • Why Dave believes Tucker Carlson was actually better when he had constraints – and how he’s now flipped on previous positions and friendships • Why watching Candace Owens go down conspiracy rabbit holes is personally painful for him after years of close friendship • The idea of “kayfabe” – pro-wrestling style scripted conflict – and how politics & media now feel exactly like that • Why Dave thinks truth-tellers who resist audience-capture (like Erin and a tiny handful of others) will win the long game while grifters burn out • His prediction that Bari Weiss as editor-in-chief of CBS News could prove that a more sane, reality-based legacy media model is profitable – and might actually pop parts of the alt-media bubble At the end of the episode, Erin also shares a look inside a recent PragerU LA Gala she was part of with Brandon Tatum, moderated by Marissa Streit – and what that night revealed about where conservative media is heading next.
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Chapters
0:00 Dave Rubin cold open – “The alt-media bubble will burst”
1:15 Erin intro – why this conversation matters now
3:00 Dave on being an OG of independent media
7:00 How legacy media created the demand for alt media
11:30 Anyone can look like a journalist now
15:30 Tucker Carlson: “better with barriers” vs now
17:00 Candace Owens: from friend to painful divergence
19:30 Kayfabe: politics as pro wrestling
20:00 Truth vs outrage: what actually lasts in this business
21:00 Alt media’s coming crash – what happens next
22:00 Bari Weiss, CBS News & a new legacy media playbook
22:50 Erin’s PragerU LA Gala story (with Brandon Tatum & Marissa Streit)
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Welcome
to the Aaron Mollins Show. As always, it's so great
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
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share it. Get other people's opinions. That really helps us
as well, So thank you so so much for that.
Now I've got a very special guest coming up for you.
He needs no introduction. His name is Dave Ruben started
Reuben reports. He now does so much more than that.
(01:04):
But he's kind of a goat, like an og in
this independent media space, going out in his own He
did it almost before anyone else. He's led the way
and he's stuck with it. And he's now one of
the superstars in this world. He show consistently rates right
at the top of the charts every single week. That's
no mean feat and it's much harder to do, by
(01:27):
the way, when you don't go down this rabbit hole
warren of conspiracy theory and chaos that a lot of
the others that we're seeing in this space do day
in day out. Now, Dave talks a lot about this,
about what it was like when he joined and what
it's like now with these new kind of players that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Have entered the field.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And the unique aspect that Dave brings to this conversation
is he actually helped discover I e.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Candice.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Now he gave her an opportunity early on, and now
he's watched her kind of turn into what she is,
and that's difficult. He was saying to me during this conversation.
I have a room, you know, with presents in it
that she's given me. You know, I was at her wedding.
So this is a really tough space for a lot
of people to now watch what essentially she has turned into.
(02:19):
And there are different words, and you would have your
own description in your mind, and I'll leave it there,
but the same with Tucker Carlson. You know, the contradictions
and the hypocrisy in this space is utter insanity. And
Dave is someone who had very strong relationships with both,
gives really good insight into that. So I'm really excited
for you guys to listen to this conversation with Dave Ruben.
(02:42):
Enjoy Dave Rubin. It is such an honor to finally
have you on the show. Thank you so much, a
for having me on yours as well, which I think
is coming up over the Christmas week, which I'm so
excited about. But thank you so much for joining me
here on the Aaron Mullin Show.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's a pleasure erin. I really, as I just said
my show, I'm a fan. I'm actually a fan of yours.
We all exist in these little digital boxes and you
can never tell if anyone's.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Real or authentic or what.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But like you, especially in these last two or so years,
not just your political insight and the bravery you've shown
in defending Western values and all those things, but the trip,
the voyage from going from the mainstream thing to the
independent thing.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It's just been a pleasure to watch.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And you know, I'm kind of og in this thing,
you know, Like I've been around the block and the
independent media thing for a while.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I was sort of early in on going.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Independent and home studio, well before COVID and all of
those things. And so I think I've become pretty good
at spotting people that should be out there saying what
they think, that are doing it for the right reasons.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And You're definitely on that list. So it's a pleasure
to be with you.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
There are moments where I need a little bit of reassurance.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I generally get it from myel I will take it
from you.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That means.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That means so much, and that's what I wanted to
start with. You are one of the ogs in this space.
Now it feels a little bit dime a dozen. And look,
not everyone will last and that's you know, that's how
it works.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But what attracted you to it in the first place?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And were you nervous that it would completely fail miserably?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Oh god, well, you know, it's so interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So I started the version of the Ruben Report that
people know now in twenty fifteen, so it's a little
over ten years ago now, and that's when I was
doing long form interviews, which at the time, you know,
everyone was doing snapchat and you remember six second vine videos.
Everything was getting smaller and smaller and truncated. And you know,
(04:36):
I'm forty nine years old, I'm a gen xer, and
even then, I was like something about this doesn't seem right.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
It's just making everyone stupid.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And you could see attention spans being broken, and I
just felt that there were so many important things to
talk about and nobody was kind of doing it anymore.
And I became friends with one of my childhood heroes,
Larry the Great Larry King, who unfortunately is no longer
with us, but I was a huge fan of his
as a kid, and I remember watching CNN all the
time at night, and I just loved the way the
(05:05):
guy interviewed. He was curious, he was thoughtful, he wasn't combative.
And what I thought was so interesting about him was
that he would have you know, if he had five
shows a night, you know, Monday through Friday, it would
be like, here's Magic Johnson one night, Jerry Seinfeld, the
next night, here's Steve Irwin, the next night, here's you know,
it could be anything. Oh then here Desmond Tutu, and
(05:27):
then here's you know, some guy that's a cult leader,
and he treated everybody with respect, and I just thought
there was something so interesting and nice and thoughtful about it.
And so when I started doing this version of the show,
the long form Interview Show, which now I also do
a daily news show like you do. But when I
started the long form interview show, nobody else was doing it. Really,
Larry was in his later years and he was doing
(05:49):
a digital show at that time, but you know, he
had sort of aged out, and really me and Joe
Rogan were the first two doing it. Now you flash
forward ten years to where we are. Now, you know,
everyone and their brother has a podcast. There's more podcasts
than people at this point. And I feel, and it's
one of the reasons that I like you, I feel
it is incumbent upon me to tell the truth. I
(06:09):
tell people what I think. I do not consider myself
a journalist. I am not a journalist out on the
ground exposing things. I am processing information and doing my
best to tell people what I think about it.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And you can agree or disagree.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And some people agree with me for a while and
they love me, and then they end up hating me,
and some people hate me for a while they end
up loving me.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Or every version of that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
But I think what we've seen in the media, in
the all media space has been very weird because mainstream media,
all they had to do to not be in the
situation they're in right now was not be abject horrible. Right,
They could have been pretty bad, like eighty percent bad,
and most of us would have gone along with it.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
We really would have, because you kind of wouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know, things are just moving along and they're just
that they're lying about most of the stuff, but occasionally
they give you something true. It would pass because people
are busy with their lives and work and kids and
sports and whatever you love and whatever you're doing. But
they were so bad about every big issue, whether it
was the Russia hoax, whether it was very fine people,
whether it was Jesse Smilette was lynched, whether it was
(07:10):
all of the COVID nonsense.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I mean, we can go on and on and on
and on and on.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, they were so bad about all of it that
they basically forced the alt media to exist. And then
what happened unfortunately now in the alt media, and this
is where I think you and I play a big role.
I suppose in cleaning some of it up is anyone
can do this right. Anyone can get in a studio
like we are and put on clothes that look appropriate,
(07:34):
right like you could be on Fox News right now,
and I could be on CNN, although they won't put
me on CNN.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
But I mean we were.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Dressed upart we lived.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I mean wise, I do get a favorit of criticism
for inappropriate dressing.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
But you know that aside everything else you say.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Is true, no, no, no Erin legally, to be a
female on cable news, you have to be showing shoulder
and part of the arm. I always say, it's hilarious
women All women have to show this.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Part of their body.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
But imagine if we'll s Blitzer showed up in a cutoff.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Nobody wants to see that that hunk of.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Root anyway, drift lord, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No, no one really wants to see that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
But anyway, the point is the point is so many
people started doing what we do. There's so many voices
out there, and that of course, that is wonderful, right,
and that's what the marketplace of ideas about and everything else.
But now there's sort of no journalistic standards anymore.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And just because Candice.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Owen sits with a microphone in front of her, a
certain set of people think that means what she says
is legit or or you know, we've watched people come
from mainstream that are now independent and in a weird you.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Know, someone like Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
He seemed to be better or saner when he had
some barriers. I'm not even defending those barriers, but then
he gets into our world and now he's become completely
the reverse of what most people thought of him. So
there's just a series of things right now that I
think we're gonna that are really going to be great
challenges going forward in terms of how how are you
and your neighbor going to ingest in for me and
(09:00):
then you and then believe you are on the same planet.
That is truly going to be the challenge for the
information age. I don't know what the answer is. All
I can do is tell people what I think and
we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It's a really fascinating point you make, and particularly the kind.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Of journalist non journalist, and that's I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You're a commentator, right, People deeply care what you think,
which is clearly why you're so successful and you have
such a big following. I worry about you know, you
look at at Tucker Carlson and there's almost a legitimacy
to him that wouldn't have existed had he come out
and shown this side of himself very early on. But
he's almost more dangerous, would you say, than a Candace Owens,
(09:39):
who we kind of I know has has definitely shifted
in a lot of ways, but she is almost so
outlandish that it's just ridiculous. Whereas Tucker kind of he
does this thing where where if you're not invested and
you're not highly engaged, you might listen and just think, ah, yeah,
that must be fact.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's you know, he's a journalist, he's you know, like
I worry about that side of things about people and jesting. Oh,
absolutely critical.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
It's a huge issue. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
First, it's worth mentioning because people always clip these things
in the most nefarious sorts of ways that I have
no doubt I can speak for you when neither one
of us want them to be deplatformed or kicked off
the sites or anything else, they can say whatever crazy
crap they want, and that's just that's just fine, and
then by the way, we have the right to rebut
that encounter it and everything else.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So you know, it's funny because if you say.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Anything, particularly against Tucker, you get this massive onslaught online.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
You're trying to cancel him and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
And it's like he talks shit for a living and
people are allowed to just do that back.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
It's that's the exchange.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's how it works, Okay, So that's why they you know.
As for as for Candace, I take no pleasure in
talking about her because we were very, very good friends
for a many many years. I was at her wedding
where I actually sat next to Charlie and Erica Kirk.
They weren't even married at the time. That was the
first time I met Erica, but I sat next to
Charlie and met Erica there for the first time.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I gave Candas her first big break. She was a
little YouTuber and we used to on my show, you know,
about eight nine years ago, we used to do something
called YouTube Week, where five days in a row, I
would take five different YouTube It was sort of similar
to the Larry thing, Larry King thing that I just mentioned.
I would take five different YouTubers from different disciplines. One
would be in politics, one would be in gaming, one
might be in music or something, and.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Just give them a shot.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And she was one of the ones that we plucked
out when she had like twenty thousand subscribers. So we
have a long, long history. You know, I have gifts
in the other room from her, from my kids. So
I take no pleasure in what has happened with her,
But I do agree with your assessment. She has gone
so far down the rabbit holes where now she gets
disproven so often that it's not really worth wasting much
(11:44):
time on her. It's sad, I would say, as a friend,
or at least a former friend, and I would say,
it's not good that so many people are following her
down things those things. But I think that exists in
a certain spot. I think the thing that's going on
with Tucker is a little more bizarre because he's see me,
has rebuffed or rejected all of his previous positions in
(12:05):
a very very fast, in a very quick way, but
then also just turned on so many people out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Sorry, go ahead, actually, Dave, what I want to do?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You just reference that there was a clip that was
shared a succinct type clip of him shifting positions, including
and saying he didn't know people, and then so just
I want to play this for my for my audience now.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Dave Rubin, whoever that is. But I don't have the
control that you have, which is wonderful. Who's Tony Robinson?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
You know?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Tooby Robinson? It seems like a fraud of me.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Tuby Robinson, thank you very much for agreeing to talk
to us at Laura lumerous world's creepiest human. I don't
even know where she came from or who she is exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Upset whatever from the Babylon bead. So thanks so much
for coming on. Thanks for I mean quotes from that
Josh Hammer guy. Thought that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Him Josh Hammer.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So, I mean, you don't even need to convince it.
It's right there.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
He has essentially not even just on positions, but also
don't know him.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Hey, never heard of him. Hey, he's a thought, you're amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
What So, either we have to deduce that he has
some sort of early onset dementia or maybe the nicotine
that he's chewing all the time is breaking his brain.
I do think that's possible, you know, it's made in India.
He's very America first. It's made in India, so maybe
there's some bad stuff getting in.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
There, but what he's doing there.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
The reason that clip went so viral, I think is
because it illustrates what he's doing. He's doing little sort
of mnemonic tricks basically to belittle people. Look, if he
doesn't like some of my thoughts, he's more than welcome
to challenge me on those thoughts. And for many months
I reached out to him privately to say, I'll go
on your show as you we've done many times, and
(13:51):
we can discuss it, or you can come on my show.
I offered private lead to broker piece with him in
bench buro. Joseph, could you grab the back of my
book here?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I mean, the guy.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Literally blowbed my book. He blurbed my first book, and.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
He's you seem to be a common factor here with
all the people that have then gone that beat crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I'm a little concerned you might.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Playing Look look at my guy. Look at him.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
He's crawling on the floor to get the book. That
was very impressive. He just broke his neck. But I mean,
you know, literally, this is you know, this is don't
bring his book.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It's my first book. It was it was you know
a number of New York Times I say, blah blah
blah blah.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Dave Rubin is one of the bravest, smartest people I know,
as well as a tremendous television presence. And it's like, wow, Tucker,
maybe now maybe you hate me. Now, maybe you think
I'm the whack job and I've gone up to deep
and everything else, but pretending you don't know me, Like,
it's just so stupid and thin.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Particularly, it's really it's disappointing.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Online, like like if you were saying something or being
a little bit misleading, but he knew there was nothing
concrete that could dispel that. Okay, fine, still not not
a great decision. You're not showing a moral compass, but
to do something, and there's evidence that is there that
is very easy to find.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's just it's it's silly. The entire thing.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Do you look at the current landscape and see it
potentially coming closer and closer to this peak where it
falls apart a little bit?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I feel like we're closer, you might.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I feel like they've gone to places now where every
day Americans, Australians you know, whoever's listening around the world
a going, Okay, I'm a little bit this is maybe
too far.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
One of the things that people say to me more
than anything else if I'm you know, at the supermarket
or when I was just in your amazing country and
we went to a whole bunch of cities and did
a bunch of theaters, the thing that people consistently say
to me more than anything else is, Dave, you keep
me sane, right, Like, I'm just not lying about nonsense,
and I'm not trying to keep them outraged or anything else.
I know there are ways I could behave that would
(15:50):
increase our you know, we had a billion views on
YouTube US year, so I'm not starved for clicks. But
I know there's a way we could do it to
you know, as hungry as we all are for clicks.
But like, I know I could do this in a
more bombastic way. I know I could say a whole
bunch of things about Tucker just now that would go viral.
I know I could do the same thing to Canada's Like,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I've been through it, you know again, because I'm in
this game for a while like.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I've seen it all before. It's do you know what
k fabe is?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So k fabe kay fabe.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
You need to do a little digging on this.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
K Fabe is the word that really was created around
professional wrestling. That you're watching a sort of scripted reality
and having an actual emotional attachment to something you know
is scripted. And that's kind of what politics has become.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan were friends. They really
weren't fighting. I'm not even sure the Iranian chic was Iranian.
Like it's made up, And that's that's what politics has become, right,
And so I've just been in it long enough that
I refuse to participate in a certain level of the
spectacle of it. But to your point, are we hitting
sort of a crescendo or a cliff or something.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I do think that is possible. You know, the.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Outrage can only last so long. It burns very hot,
but it burns quickly. And I also think that that's
what will give people like you and I long careers,
because if you do what is true, the truth, you
can't move the truth. The truth is the truth either way,
and people will flock to you for that. So yes,
can you get a burst of views by saying the
worst possible things about people and lying about everything, And
(17:24):
of course you can, but over time that doesn't work. Now,
I would also say that there is something interesting happening
on the mainstream media side of things here in America,
which is that, as you know, BARRYE. Weiss from the
Free Press now runs CBS News. There is a good
chance she will moderate them, get rid of some of
the propaganda and moderate them, let's say a little more
(17:45):
to the center. If she does that, it might be
that NBC and CBS or ABC and CNN even and
the rest are like, boy, you know, she moderated and
the business model started working. So I don't think they're
going to come around for the truths. They might come
around for business sake, but that's the beauty of capitalism.
So I think if they start moderating and doing better,
(18:06):
and then people are just looking at their phone and like,
oh my god, Tucker Carlson said this about blah blah blah,
and it may all end up with some sort of massive,
you know, bubble type bursts.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's so fascinating, And yeah, I can't wait to see
what she does. I think it'll be very challenging. And
my hesitancy to declare complete faith is nothing to do
with her and her ability, but just how in Trench
so many people there seem to be in propaganda.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Oh, it may be way too late.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I'm not saying it's a fargne conclusion by any stretch,
but I'm just saying there's a little something different in
the ether.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah, and you're.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Right about I mean, networks don't care about truth, they
care about profits. But if she can demonstrate that it's
actually more profitable to tell the truth or to get
closer to a version of it, then that's a wonderful thing.
I love what you say as well, and I look
at this myself. You know, I can go so hard
at someone's ideas or their behavior I will destroy it.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But I'm very hesity. I don't go after people.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And I think people, yes, they like to look at
a two second clip where someone's blowing up or there's
a massive thing, or someone's insulting someone, but what they
actually invest their time in is things of substance. And
I feel like the more of the chaos that exists
around people like you and I, who I think are
a little bit and I'm flattering myself here, I admit
that one hundred percent A little bit similar in that
(19:26):
way is that you're actually a decent, nice person who's
willing to listen, and you'll challenge ideas and you'll challenge
narratives and you'll challenge people, but not in a way
that is low or nasty. And I think that, to me,
that's wholesome and it's still entertaining, and it still delivers
and it's still engaging. But I feel like that will
always win out over the other stuff that might steal
(19:48):
a little bit of attention every now and then, but
it's unsustainable.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Look, it's the tortoise and the hair, right, Like you
can run, run, run, run, run, run, run and run run, and.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You can cheat, and you can do all those things,
and you can just do all all of the things
that are the base level things. And by the way,
I'm not saying I've never participated it, and I'm not
saying that Twitter hasn't at times made me the worst
version of myself and all of those things, like trust me, yeah,
but but it's not my driving force. And I think
you know, one of things I started. It's not the
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bread and butter, you know. I started as a stand
up comic, and I had a pretty decent career as
a comic for a long time. And I like the
fact that my show is funny now because a lot
of people can do the news and I try to
do it in a silly or funny kind of frenetic way.
But you know, having all of those years struggling as
a comic and standing out on street corners given out
tickets so that you know, six people would show up
and I'd work for free, and all that crap and
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all the stupid jobs I did and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But having lived through that to now.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Be successful now, it taught me a little something about patience,
and it taught me a little something about hard work.
And unfortunately, I think the other sort of back, the
other sort of pain point for everyone to be able
to jump on this and broadcast whatever they I'm not
against it, but what it does is you can become
an overnight success like this, So people who have had
no pain points can suddenly become huge stars. And you
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know nothing about that past, and without that, you know
that past is what makes your present In essence, and
so because everything is now about becoming viral and all
of that stuff, you have no idea. Again, someone can
just freaking buy a desk. My desk cost one hundred bucks.
Pretty sure, we got it at Ikea. The jackets H
and M. Like, you can do it and make yourself
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look legit pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, and again it only enables I think even more
so that the greater the pool at the bottom, those
to rise to the top, of which you are maybe
one of the top two or three in the world.
And that is an incredible top one in the world,
an incredible place to be.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I'm still shopping at H and M. I have no
idea to say.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I mean, I mean, I'm in my wardrobe with not
even I K. I think I K was out of
the budget, and I have to do my own hair
and makeup.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
You should.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And Gucci, I don't even know designer is Gucci top end?
That might not even be top end, And.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I don't know. I've got one guy here who can
get you can crawl on the floor.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
If he crawls on the floor for my show, I'd
understand if he crawled to protect your brand. He's crawling
for me, that is a beautiful thing. Dave Ruben, thank
you so much for your time and look forward to
having you on again.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Thank you so much, my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And now, as you guys know, I travel a fair
bit around the world and talk at different events. I
do different fundraisers, conferences, the whole thing. And often when
I'm in those environments in front of a live crowd,
what you get from me. It's a unique experience to
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do something in front of a live audience. It's somewhat
different to sitting here in a studio and talking to you. Now,
in both circumstances, you get the authentic me. I'm incapable
really these days of being anything else, the old me.
You know, when I was in mainstream media and well
prior to this existence, was always trying to be the
(23:08):
kind of person I thought everyone wanted me to be
and have those kind of beliefs, and I had to
kind of fit into two different narratives that were held
by the workplaces, et cetera, et cetera. Now it's completely different.
You now get a raw, unfiltered me, but it's a
different experience to hear me live, and I can often
be a little bit looser as well in those circumstances.
(23:28):
So I want to now bring you a little bit
of me talking live to an audience. Hope you enjoy,
and I'll be back after to wrap things up.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
It is my pleasure to introduce to the stage Aaron
Mollin and Brandon Tatum for a conversation about what it
means to be standing with God and doing the right thing,
something very rare these days. Brandon Tatum Aaron Moullan, So
(24:06):
I quick introduction. We decided to invite both of you
tonight because there is something that you both have in common.
And it's not just that you have moral courage, but
you have moral discipline. And Brandon and I chatted about
that today.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I think that.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
To have moral courage, you first have to have discipline.
Courage is not natural. It's actually incredibly rare. This is
something I learned from Dennis a few years ago. I
asked Dennis when I was disappointed with people, how could
people be so disappointing? Dennis, are you disappointed when you
see that people behave poorly? And I was frankly shocked
(24:51):
because his response to me was, Marissa, I'm actually more
surprised when I see good people who are brave, and
I didn't understand that until this year. I didn't understand
how rare it is to find people who are brave
and have moral clarity and discernment and really moral resilience.
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I grew up as a kid, I learned about the Holocaust.
I never understood how the Holocaust could have happened. I
think now I kind of understand. I think I kind
of understand now. And so as Dennis has been preoccupied
with good people and how good people are made. And
many people in this room have children. There are a
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lot of young people here with kids, my kids ages.
I'm curious, how do we make more Brandon Tatums, How
do we make more Aaron Mollins in the world?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And what is it that made you you?
Speaker 8 (25:56):
What made you discerning and brave? So let's start with
ladies first. Aaron, you've come here from Australia. You are
known all over the world, and for some interesting reason,
an Australian news anchor decided to speak about the defense
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of the West and the defense of Israel.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Why who.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
First of all, thank you so so much for having me.
You're doing a phenomenal job. What a room Douglas Murray
was superb. It's an honor to sit here next to you.
You're amazing, And thank you everyone in the room for
your support of this incredible organization. Honestly, they do God's work.
So I ask you, as someone who is not donating
(26:46):
myself tonight, I ask you to be incredibly generous if
you can be, and thank you for your support for me.
I think it was never so much a question after
October seven of which side I would be on.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I mean, it's utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It was so clear to me that this was good
versus evil, straightway. And I'm the daughter of a man
who was a major general in the army who went
to war to defend my country, was willing to give
his life in defense not just of my nation, but
of what we value, what we stand for. And I
think what terrified me so much after October seven, it
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wasn't the fact that two days later there were people
in my country in front of a very famous landmark
celebrating that massacre, chanting death to the Jews, gas the Jews.
That didn't scare me, because there is evil in every
part of the world. It absolutely it disappointed me greatly
It disgusted me, but it didn't scare me. What scared
me was the silence that followed of my fellow Australians,
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most of whom I know are decent, god fearing, staunchly
supportive of what it's good in the world. But their
silence utterly terrified me. And that's when I thought we
have a problem here. I looked at our leadership that country,
and that was a moment for my Prime Minister to
come out and determine that is not who we are,
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that is not what we stand for, that is not
what we accept in this country, not on my watch.
But instead he cowered and not one person was held
to account. And I've watched a country that I love,
that my father would have died for, just slowly decay
over the past two years. So for me, I didn't
feel like I had a choice. I've got a seven
year old. I understand that this issue is so much
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bigger than just Hamas Israel, though that would be enough
for me to stand like you. I learned about the
Holocaust and what I could not understand is the people
who did nothing. And I never thought I would be
tested in that space, But it was never a choice.
It was something that I did and I will do
again for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's an honor to stand and to fight for.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
What matters, brandon your moral discipline. Where does that come from?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Well, I think it's very simple. It comes from God.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
When you give your life to God and you dedicate
yourself to something greater than yourself, it's quite easy for
you to have the moral clarity. And I think that's
the biggest principle for me. It's not that I'm so good,
it's so great and so smart. It's that I do
understand where I'm at and God's plan for my life,
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and that drives me every single day to do what's right.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And when I look over the world, I.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Understand that it's not a natural instinct for people to
be bold and courageous.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
It's not natural.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
People do want a coward, especially in the face of backlash.
With the amount of hatred I get online now, which
is bizarre to me. I mean, they hate me more now,
or some of the people. It's just crazy people, not y'all,
y'all the smart ones. Somebody next door is.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Hating on me.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
But even when I came out and said I supported Trump,
I didn't get as much hate when I stood up
against Black Lives Matter, which is a I A would say,
a domestic terrorist organization. I didn't get as much hate
when I stood up against the government during COVID, all
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of that foolishness that they were doing, telling us to
wear a mask, getting double vaxed, and all this so
crazy stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I still didn't get it that much hate.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
But for some reason, when I just put my thinking
cap on and I said, this is wrong. What happened
on October seven, this wrong. How they're portrend is rulin.
The media, anti simitism is out of control. And when
I did that, people begin to turn on me that
were originally on my side. People that are on the
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right call me the N word and bashed me every day.
And do I care know how Whoever, I do see
the perspective that people are conditioned, unfortunately with a mind virus,
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and once you go down this path of a mind
virus to hate Jews, God opens your mind to be
a reprobate. And I'm telling you now, you guys can
see the people online doing it, the ones that hate
the Jews, they tend to fall off the wagon on
everything else. They talk about they've lost their entire minds,
(31:36):
diving into conspiracies, turning on everything that they claim to
believe in God, you know, claim that they believe in God,
turning on it. They use the word platforming. They encourage
people to come on their shows and say the stupidest
stuff that you've ever heard, the very foundation of being
conservative and putting God first.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
They wipe it all away because they hate us.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
You know, we got into this fight together over censorship.
We didn't want to get the deplatformed. I mean, prayer
you sued YouTube, and we're dealing with constant deplatforming. The
right has been incredibly sensitive to the idea of deplatforming
people who have differing ideas. But now the concept on
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the right is the tent is so big that every
vile person deserves to be platformed. What's your reaction to
does the tent have any borders? Do we lose our
soul because we just allow everybody to be part of
this big tent? And what's the cost of having no
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borders in the tent?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Well?
Speaker 6 (32:51):
Well, I think it's very simple. We all agree with
free speech. Say whatever you want on your platform, be
an idiot, It's fine. I'm going to challenge you. But
what we don't accept is that when you have somebody
on your platform, or you bring somebody up and you
don't challenge them, what kind of coward are you?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
You know I'm gonna shut up. I swear.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
When I look at the chair there where Charlie would
be as my friend, if someone were to talk trash
about my friend and bash his wife, the last thing
that you would do is be able to come on
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my platform. The last thing that you would do is
to probably be able to talk to me without being confronted.
And we see people just mindless in letting this stuff go.
Enough is enough. We have principles, we have standards, and
you can spew that wrap on your own platform, but
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you're not gonna come on here and be a fool. Aaron.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
I know that you've been watching carefully, and I know
that conservatives have inspired you. As an Australian who is
fighting for freedom of speech, who is fighting for common
sense and patriotism in Australia, you come here and you're
witnessing what is happening here in America on the right.
The fight not just been left and right, but right
(34:31):
and wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
What's your take?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I think I mean, i'd say it's been fascinating to
watch if it also hasn't been so gross in so
many different ways. People that I once admired and looked
up to and hope to emulate. One day I feel
very let down by and again and you make the
point that is their right to absolutely say whatever the
hell they want to say, but it is our right
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to then call them out and five back. And I
feel like in this space, you know, I spend so
much of my time calling out those on the left
who are complete hypocrites. I call out feminists who who
march in the street having tried to get a bloke
in a workplace sacked because he complimented a woman's dress,
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to then walk outside and join a pro Humas march
and deny the rape of Israeli women.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I call that out because it's bs, so you have
to then do it on the other side.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And I think, again, it doesn't mean that you're deplatforming people,
it doesn't mean you're canceling people. But I think it
says a lot about who you are the kind of
things you let go by. And my dad, again was
a major general in the army, and he always spoke
about the standard that you that you accept, is you
know that you allow? Is the standard that you yourself
(35:51):
adhere to. And I've always you know, he raised me
to speak up when things are not right. So I
look at it and I think, you know, they came
more deeply, and I know I.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Completely butchered that saying.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
So, if anyone would like to yell it out, what
is that the standard you walk past?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Is the standard you accept? Yes? So I feel like.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
They are motivated so much more by money, so much
more by ratings, so much more by the chaos they create.
How ironic is it that so many of these people
who were on network television as was I up until
last year, celebrated their freedom by going independent, to say
that they could say the truth now and not be
controlled by anyone.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Catching it changed very quickly, very quickly.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
They're all compromised in so many ways, and it's sad
to watch.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
In a lot of ways.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
It's interesting you had a dream job. I mean, you're
a sports news anchor. I think every kid wants to
be a sports news anchor. I can't imagine how hard
it is, even in Australia. It must be very competitive.
You had this dream job, and you have a child,
You have a young daughter, and now you're a dedicating
your life traveling all.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Over the place. What has this new life cost you?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
How?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Look for starters.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I do it first and foremost for my little girl.
I have a seven year old daughter Calledaliza, and it's
probably the only part of this life that I struggle
with or that I stop and question, because the cause
I don't ever question.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I know beyond doubt that I'm on the right side
of history.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And that this space is noble and worthy. But I
also know that what I do endangers her in a
way that didn't exist previously. And I make that choice
every day to publicly fight in this space. She does not,
So that's probably the part that's very hard. But pick
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your heart. It's harder now, absolutely, it's harder now. But
in five years, if people like me, if you don't
speak out, what kind of world exists for our children?
What kind of world? So I mean, like all of
us in this space, I have lost a lot. But
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you know what, I look at differences of opinion I
have with people when it comes to politics, or when
it comes to COVID lockdowns, or when it comes to
particular politicians. You can have a difference in opinion and
I can say, you know what, I still love you.
You lean to the left, Fine, let's debate it, then
let's go out for a drink. In this space, though,
when it's values driven, when it is at your core,
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do you believe in good or do you believe in evil?
I look at the people I've lost and I say,
good riddance. I say, what a great way to cleanse
in a lot of ways. So it's I mean, I
think I've had a tight chest for two years.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Safety is a massive issue. We all get it. We
get you know the difference here.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I used to get three it's when I was hosting sport,
but they would be from knob shiners in their mother's basement.
Now they're oh sorry, is that? Are we allowed to
say that? No, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. To
the priests in the room, I'm so sorry. I promise
I'm going to dedicate myself more to religion at some
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stage when.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I have I forget the I forget you.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
But but the threats now in this space are from
those who have a bit more of a tendency to
carry them out. So it's tough but I have gained
so much more than I have lost. It is such
a privilege to exist in this space, and I it's
an honor. It's an honor to do it, and it's
it's something I hope my daughter, when she's a little
bit older, we'll be a little bit proud of and
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we'll understand why there were sacrifices in the short term
for what I hope will be a world that she
is proud of and she can exist freely.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And in the long term.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Yeah, Sadly, we have to wrap up because Aaron has
to catch a flight, but I'm going to channel Dennis
Praeger one more time and let you know that Aaron
is single and ready to mingle, and so please.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Text me if you have any anybody to set her up.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I have horrendous taste, by the way, I'll screen them first.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Everyone else's love, Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Well.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I hope you enjoyed something a little bit different there.
Thank you so so much for your company.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
We'll have a.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Weekend bonus episode coming up for you, which will be
an absolute cracker as always, and then I'll see you
next week Monday, six am ET. Love you all, Thank you,
so much for your support. It's been a massive week.
Alex Wikoff. Make sure if you've missed it, you have
to watch or listen to that episode, same as the
Katari opposition leader.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
That is must watch, must listen.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
And of course Dave Ruben you probably have just watched
and just listened, but if you skip to the end,
which would be quite by our behavior, but hey, each
to their own, go back and listen to him and
watch him as well.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
We'll see you soon. Bye.
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Welcome
to the Aaron Mollins Show. As always, it's so great
to have your company. We really appreciate you guys, chuning
in from wherever you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Are around the world. It means so very much.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Now, as always, let me remind you, make sure you subscribe,
make sure you follow, leave a review, comment, engage with us.
We love to hear what you think. I go through
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
So keep it coming. We love it so very much.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And of course, if you enjoyed an episode, or if
it made you think, or even if it maybe challenged
you or you thought, oh gosh, Aaron's got it wrong,
share it. Get other people's opinions. That really helps us
as well, So thank you so so much for that.
Now I've got a very special guest coming up for you.
He needs no introduction. His name is Dave Ruben started
Reuben reports. He now does so much more than that.
(01:04):
But he's kind of a goat, like an og in
this independent media space, going out in his own He
did it almost before anyone else. He's led the way
and he's stuck with it. And he's now one of
the superstars in this world. He show consistently rates right
at the top of the charts every single week. That's
no mean feat and it's much harder to do, by
(01:27):
the way, when you don't go down this rabbit hole
warren of conspiracy theory and chaos that a lot of
the others that we're seeing in this space do day
in day out. Now, Dave talks a lot about this,
about what it was like when he joined and what
it's like now with these new kind of players that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Have entered the field.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And the unique aspect that Dave brings to this conversation
is he actually helped discover I e.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Candice.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Now he gave her an opportunity early on, and now
he's watched her kind of turn into what she is,
and that's difficult. He was saying to me during this conversation.
I have a room, you know, with presents in it
that she's given me. You know, I was at her wedding.
So this is a really tough space for a lot
of people to now watch what essentially she has turned into.
(02:19):
And there are different words, and you would have your
own description in your mind, and I'll leave it there,
but the same with Tucker Carlson. You know, the contradictions
and the hypocrisy in this space is utter insanity. And
Dave is someone who had very strong relationships with both,
gives really good insight into that. So I'm really excited
for you guys to listen to this conversation with Dave Ruben.
(02:42):
Enjoy Dave Rubin. It is such an honor to finally
have you on the show. Thank you so much, a
for having me on yours as well, which I think
is coming up over the Christmas week, which I'm so
excited about. But thank you so much for joining me
here on the Aaron Mullin Show.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's a pleasure erin. I really, as I just said
my show, I'm a fan. I'm actually a fan of yours.
We all exist in these little digital boxes and you
can never tell if anyone's.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Real or authentic or what.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But like you, especially in these last two or so years,
not just your political insight and the bravery you've shown
in defending Western values and all those things, but the trip,
the voyage from going from the mainstream thing to the
independent thing.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It's just been a pleasure to watch.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And you know, I'm kind of og in this thing,
you know, Like I've been around the block and the
independent media thing for a while.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I was sort of early in on going.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Independent and home studio, well before COVID and all of
those things. And so I think I've become pretty good
at spotting people that should be out there saying what
they think, that are doing it for the right reasons.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And You're definitely on that list. So it's a pleasure
to be with you.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
There are moments where I need a little bit of reassurance.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I generally get it from myel I will take it
from you.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That means.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That means so much, and that's what I wanted to
start with. You are one of the ogs in this space.
Now it feels a little bit dime a dozen. And look,
not everyone will last and that's you know, that's how
it works.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But what attracted you to it in the first place?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And were you nervous that it would completely fail miserably?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Oh god, well, you know, it's so interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So I started the version of the Ruben Report that
people know now in twenty fifteen, so it's a little
over ten years ago now, and that's when I was
doing long form interviews, which at the time, you know,
everyone was doing snapchat and you remember six second vine videos.
Everything was getting smaller and smaller and truncated. And you know,
(04:36):
I'm forty nine years old, I'm a gen xer, and
even then, I was like something about this doesn't seem right.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
It's just making everyone stupid.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And you could see attention spans being broken, and I
just felt that there were so many important things to
talk about and nobody was kind of doing it anymore.
And I became friends with one of my childhood heroes,
Larry the Great Larry King, who unfortunately is no longer
with us, but I was a huge fan of his
as a kid, and I remember watching CNN all the
time at night, and I just loved the way the
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guy interviewed. He was curious, he was thoughtful, he wasn't combative.
And what I thought was so interesting about him was
that he would have you know, if he had five
shows a night, you know, Monday through Friday, it would
be like, here's Magic Johnson one night, Jerry Seinfeld, the
next night, here's Steve Irwin, the next night, here's you know,
it could be anything. Oh then here Desmond Tutu, and
(05:27):
then here's you know, some guy that's a cult leader,
and he treated everybody with respect, and I just thought
there was something so interesting and nice and thoughtful about it.
And so when I started doing this version of the show,
the long form Interview Show, which now I also do
a daily news show like you do. But when I
started the long form interview show, nobody else was doing it. Really,
Larry was in his later years and he was doing
(05:49):
a digital show at that time, but you know, he
had sort of aged out, and really me and Joe
Rogan were the first two doing it. Now you flash
forward ten years to where we are. Now, you know,
everyone and their brother has a podcast. There's more podcasts
than people at this point. And I feel, and it's
one of the reasons that I like you, I feel
it is incumbent upon me to tell the truth. I
(06:09):
tell people what I think. I do not consider myself
a journalist. I am not a journalist out on the
ground exposing things. I am processing information and doing my
best to tell people what I think about it.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And you can agree or disagree.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And some people agree with me for a while and
they love me, and then they end up hating me,
and some people hate me for a while they end
up loving me.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Or every version of that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
But I think what we've seen in the media, in
the all media space has been very weird because mainstream media,
all they had to do to not be in the
situation they're in right now was not be abject horrible. Right,
They could have been pretty bad, like eighty percent bad,
and most of us would have gone along with it.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
We really would have, because you kind of wouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know, things are just moving along and they're just
that they're lying about most of the stuff, but occasionally
they give you something true. It would pass because people
are busy with their lives and work and kids and
sports and whatever you love and whatever you're doing. But
they were so bad about every big issue, whether it
was the Russia hoax, whether it was very fine people,
whether it was Jesse Smilette was lynched, whether it was
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all of the COVID nonsense.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I mean, we can go on and on and on
and on and on.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, they were so bad about all of it that
they basically forced the alt media to exist. And then
what happened unfortunately now in the alt media, and this
is where I think you and I play a big role.
I suppose in cleaning some of it up is anyone
can do this right. Anyone can get in a studio
like we are and put on clothes that look appropriate,
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right like you could be on Fox News right now,
and I could be on CNN, although they won't put
me on CNN.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
But I mean we were.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Dressed upart we lived.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I mean wise, I do get a favorit of criticism
for inappropriate dressing.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
But you know that aside everything else you say.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Is true, no, no, no Erin legally, to be a
female on cable news, you have to be showing shoulder
and part of the arm. I always say, it's hilarious
women All women have to show this.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Part of their body.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
But imagine if we'll s Blitzer showed up in a cutoff.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Nobody wants to see that that hunk of.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Root anyway, drift lord, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No, no one really wants to see that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
But anyway, the point is the point is so many
people started doing what we do. There's so many voices
out there, and that of course, that is wonderful, right,
and that's what the marketplace of ideas about and everything else.
But now there's sort of no journalistic standards anymore.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And just because Candice.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Owen sits with a microphone in front of her, a
certain set of people think that means what she says
is legit or or you know, we've watched people come
from mainstream that are now independent and in a weird you.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Know, someone like Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
He seemed to be better or saner when he had
some barriers. I'm not even defending those barriers, but then
he gets into our world and now he's become completely
the reverse of what most people thought of him. So
there's just a series of things right now that I
think we're gonna that are really going to be great
challenges going forward in terms of how how are you
and your neighbor going to ingest in for me and
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then you and then believe you are on the same planet.
That is truly going to be the challenge for the
information age. I don't know what the answer is. All
I can do is tell people what I think and
we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It's a really fascinating point you make, and particularly the kind.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Of journalist non journalist, and that's I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You're a commentator, right, People deeply care what you think,
which is clearly why you're so successful and you have
such a big following. I worry about you know, you
look at at Tucker Carlson and there's almost a legitimacy
to him that wouldn't have existed had he come out
and shown this side of himself very early on. But
he's almost more dangerous, would you say, than a Candace Owens,
(09:39):
who we kind of I know has has definitely shifted
in a lot of ways, but she is almost so
outlandish that it's just ridiculous. Whereas Tucker kind of he
does this thing where where if you're not invested and
you're not highly engaged, you might listen and just think, ah, yeah,
that must be fact.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's you know, he's a journalist, he's you know, like
I worry about that side of things about people and jesting. Oh,
absolutely critical.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
It's a huge issue. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
First, it's worth mentioning because people always clip these things
in the most nefarious sorts of ways that I have
no doubt I can speak for you when neither one
of us want them to be deplatformed or kicked off
the sites or anything else, they can say whatever crazy
crap they want, and that's just that's just fine, and
then by the way, we have the right to rebut
that encounter it and everything else.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So you know, it's funny because if you say.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Anything, particularly against Tucker, you get this massive onslaught online.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
You're trying to cancel him and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
And it's like he talks shit for a living and
people are allowed to just do that back.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
It's that's the exchange.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's how it works, Okay, So that's why they you know.
As for as for Candace, I take no pleasure in
talking about her because we were very, very good friends
for a many many years. I was at her wedding
where I actually sat next to Charlie and Erica Kirk.
They weren't even married at the time. That was the
first time I met Erica, but I sat next to
Charlie and met Erica there for the first time.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I gave Candas her first big break. She was a
little YouTuber and we used to on my show, you know,
about eight nine years ago, we used to do something
called YouTube Week, where five days in a row, I
would take five different YouTube It was sort of similar
to the Larry thing, Larry King thing that I just mentioned.
I would take five different YouTubers from different disciplines. One
would be in politics, one would be in gaming, one
might be in music or something, and.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Just give them a shot.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
And she was one of the ones that we plucked
out when she had like twenty thousand subscribers. So we
have a long, long history. You know, I have gifts
in the other room from her, from my kids. So
I take no pleasure in what has happened with her,
But I do agree with your assessment. She has gone
so far down the rabbit holes where now she gets
disproven so often that it's not really worth wasting much
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time on her. It's sad, I would say, as a friend,
or at least a former friend, and I would say,
it's not good that so many people are following her
down things those things. But I think that exists in
a certain spot. I think the thing that's going on
with Tucker is a little more bizarre because he's see me,
has rebuffed or rejected all of his previous positions in
(12:05):
a very very fast, in a very quick way, but
then also just turned on so many people out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Sorry, go ahead, actually, Dave, what I want to do?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You just reference that there was a clip that was
shared a succinct type clip of him shifting positions, including
and saying he didn't know people, and then so just
I want to play this for my for my audience now.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Dave Rubin, whoever that is. But I don't have the
control that you have, which is wonderful. Who's Tony Robinson?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
You know?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Tooby Robinson? It seems like a fraud of me.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Tuby Robinson, thank you very much for agreeing to talk
to us at Laura lumerous world's creepiest human. I don't
even know where she came from or who she is exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Upset whatever from the Babylon bead. So thanks so much
for coming on. Thanks for I mean quotes from that
Josh Hammer guy. Thought that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Him Josh Hammer.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So, I mean, you don't even need to convince it.
It's right there.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
He has essentially not even just on positions, but also
don't know him.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Hey, never heard of him. Hey, he's a thought, you're amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
What So, either we have to deduce that he has
some sort of early onset dementia or maybe the nicotine
that he's chewing all the time is breaking his brain.
I do think that's possible, you know, it's made in India.
He's very America first. It's made in India, so maybe
there's some bad stuff getting in.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
There, but what he's doing there.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
The reason that clip went so viral, I think is
because it illustrates what he's doing. He's doing little sort
of mnemonic tricks basically to belittle people. Look, if he
doesn't like some of my thoughts, he's more than welcome
to challenge me on those thoughts. And for many months
I reached out to him privately to say, I'll go
on your show as you we've done many times, and
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we can discuss it, or you can come on my show.
I offered private lead to broker piece with him in
bench buro. Joseph, could you grab the back of my
book here?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I mean, the guy.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Literally blowbed my book. He blurbed my first book, and.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
He's you seem to be a common factor here with
all the people that have then gone that beat crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I'm a little concerned you might.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Playing Look look at my guy. Look at him.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
He's crawling on the floor to get the book. That
was very impressive. He just broke his neck. But I mean,
you know, literally, this is you know, this is don't
bring his book.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It's my first book. It was it was you know
a number of New York Times I say, blah blah
blah blah.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Dave Rubin is one of the bravest, smartest people I know,
as well as a tremendous television presence. And it's like, wow, Tucker,
maybe now maybe you hate me. Now, maybe you think
I'm the whack job and I've gone up to deep
and everything else, but pretending you don't know me, Like,
it's just so stupid and thin.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Particularly, it's really it's disappointing.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Online, like like if you were saying something or being
a little bit misleading, but he knew there was nothing
concrete that could dispel that. Okay, fine, still not not
a great decision. You're not showing a moral compass, but
to do something, and there's evidence that is there that
is very easy to find.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's just it's it's silly. The entire thing.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Do you look at the current landscape and see it
potentially coming closer and closer to this peak where it
falls apart a little bit?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I feel like we're closer, you might.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I feel like they've gone to places now where every
day Americans, Australians you know, whoever's listening around the world
a going, Okay, I'm a little bit this is maybe
too far.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
One of the things that people say to me more
than anything else if I'm you know, at the supermarket
or when I was just in your amazing country and
we went to a whole bunch of cities and did
a bunch of theaters, the thing that people consistently say
to me more than anything else is, Dave, you keep
me sane, right, Like, I'm just not lying about nonsense,
and I'm not trying to keep them outraged or anything else.
I know there are ways I could behave that would
(15:50):
increase our you know, we had a billion views on
YouTube US year, so I'm not starved for clicks. But
I know there's a way we could do it to
you know, as hungry as we all are for clicks.
But like, I know I could do this in a
more bombastic way. I know I could say a whole
bunch of things about Tucker just now that would go viral.
I know I could do the same thing to Canada's Like,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I've been through it, you know again, because I'm in
this game for a while like.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I've seen it all before. It's do you know what
k fabe is?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So k fabe kay fabe.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
You need to do a little digging on this.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
K Fabe is the word that really was created around
professional wrestling. That you're watching a sort of scripted reality
and having an actual emotional attachment to something you know
is scripted. And that's kind of what politics has become.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan were friends. They really
weren't fighting. I'm not even sure the Iranian chic was Iranian.
Like it's made up, And that's that's what politics has become, right,
And so I've just been in it long enough that
I refuse to participate in a certain level of the
spectacle of it. But to your point, are we hitting
sort of a crescendo or a cliff or something.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I do think that is possible. You know, the.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Outrage can only last so long. It burns very hot,
but it burns quickly. And I also think that that's
what will give people like you and I long careers,
because if you do what is true, the truth, you
can't move the truth. The truth is the truth either way,
and people will flock to you for that. So yes,
can you get a burst of views by saying the
worst possible things about people and lying about everything, And
(17:24):
of course you can, but over time that doesn't work. Now,
I would also say that there is something interesting happening
on the mainstream media side of things here in America,
which is that, as you know, BARRYE. Weiss from the
Free Press now runs CBS News. There is a good
chance she will moderate them, get rid of some of
the propaganda and moderate them, let's say a little more
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to the center. If she does that, it might be
that NBC and CBS or ABC and CNN even and
the rest are like, boy, you know, she moderated and
the business model started working. So I don't think they're
going to come around for the truths. They might come
around for business sake, but that's the beauty of capitalism.
So I think if they start moderating and doing better,
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and then people are just looking at their phone and like,
oh my god, Tucker Carlson said this about blah blah blah,
and it may all end up with some sort of massive,
you know, bubble type bursts.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's so fascinating, And yeah, I can't wait to see
what she does. I think it'll be very challenging. And
my hesitancy to declare complete faith is nothing to do
with her and her ability, but just how in Trench
so many people there seem to be in propaganda.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Oh, it may be way too late.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I'm not saying it's a fargne conclusion by any stretch,
but I'm just saying there's a little something different in
the ether.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah, and you're.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Right about I mean, networks don't care about truth, they
care about profits. But if she can demonstrate that it's
actually more profitable to tell the truth or to get
closer to a version of it, then that's a wonderful thing.
I love what you say as well, and I look
at this myself. You know, I can go so hard
at someone's ideas or their behavior I will destroy it.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But I'm very hesity. I don't go after people.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And I think people, yes, they like to look at
a two second clip where someone's blowing up or there's
a massive thing, or someone's insulting someone, but what they
actually invest their time in is things of substance. And
I feel like the more of the chaos that exists
around people like you and I, who I think are
a little bit and I'm flattering myself here, I admit
that one hundred percent A little bit similar in that
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way is that you're actually a decent, nice person who's
willing to listen, and you'll challenge ideas and you'll challenge
narratives and you'll challenge people, but not in a way
that is low or nasty. And I think that, to me,
that's wholesome and it's still entertaining, and it still delivers
and it's still engaging. But I feel like that will
always win out over the other stuff that might steal
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a little bit of attention every now and then, but
it's unsustainable.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Look, it's the tortoise and the hair, right, Like you
can run, run, run, run, run, run, run and run run, and.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You can cheat, and you can do all those things,
and you can just do all all of the things
that are the base level things. And by the way,
I'm not saying I've never participated it, and I'm not
saying that Twitter hasn't at times made me the worst
version of myself and all of those things, like trust me, yeah,
but but it's not my driving force. And I think
you know, one of things I started. It's not the
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bread and butter, you know. I started as a stand
up comic, and I had a pretty decent career as
a comic for a long time. And I like the
fact that my show is funny now because a lot
of people can do the news and I try to
do it in a silly or funny kind of frenetic way.
But you know, having all of those years struggling as
a comic and standing out on street corners given out
tickets so that you know, six people would show up
and I'd work for free, and all that crap and
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all the stupid jobs I did and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But having lived through that to now.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Be successful now, it taught me a little something about patience,
and it taught me a little something about hard work.
And unfortunately, I think the other sort of back, the
other sort of pain point for everyone to be able
to jump on this and broadcast whatever they I'm not
against it, but what it does is you can become
an overnight success like this, So people who have had
no pain points can suddenly become huge stars. And you
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know nothing about that past, and without that, you know
that past is what makes your present In essence, and
so because everything is now about becoming viral and all
of that stuff, you have no idea. Again, someone can
just freaking buy a desk. My desk cost one hundred bucks.
Pretty sure, we got it at Ikea. The jackets H
and M. Like, you can do it and make yourself
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look legit pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, and again it only enables I think even more
so that the greater the pool at the bottom, those
to rise to the top, of which you are maybe
one of the top two or three in the world.
And that is an incredible top one in the world,
an incredible place to be.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I'm still shopping at H and M. I have no
idea to say.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I mean, I mean, I'm in my wardrobe with not
even I K. I think I K was out of
the budget, and I have to do my own hair
and makeup.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
You should.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And Gucci, I don't even know designer is Gucci top end?
That might not even be top end, And.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I don't know. I've got one guy here who can
get you can crawl on the floor.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
If he crawls on the floor for my show, I'd
understand if he crawled to protect your brand. He's crawling
for me, that is a beautiful thing. Dave Ruben, thank
you so much for your time and look forward to
having you on again.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Thank you so much, my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And now, as you guys know, I travel a fair
bit around the world and talk at different events. I
do different fundraisers, conferences, the whole thing. And often when
I'm in those environments in front of a live crowd,
what you get from me. It's a unique experience to
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do something in front of a live audience. It's somewhat
different to sitting here in a studio and talking to you. Now,
in both circumstances, you get the authentic me. I'm incapable
really these days of being anything else, the old me.
You know, when I was in mainstream media and well
prior to this existence, was always trying to be the
(23:08):
kind of person I thought everyone wanted me to be
and have those kind of beliefs, and I had to
kind of fit into two different narratives that were held
by the workplaces, et cetera, et cetera. Now it's completely different.
You now get a raw, unfiltered me, but it's a
different experience to hear me live, and I can often
be a little bit looser as well in those circumstances.
(23:28):
So I want to now bring you a little bit
of me talking live to an audience. Hope you enjoy,
and I'll be back after to wrap things up.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
It is my pleasure to introduce to the stage Aaron
Mollin and Brandon Tatum for a conversation about what it
means to be standing with God and doing the right thing,
something very rare these days. Brandon Tatum Aaron Moullan, So
(24:06):
I quick introduction. We decided to invite both of you
tonight because there is something that you both have in common.
And it's not just that you have moral courage, but
you have moral discipline. And Brandon and I chatted about
that today.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I think that.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
To have moral courage, you first have to have discipline.
Courage is not natural. It's actually incredibly rare. This is
something I learned from Dennis a few years ago. I
asked Dennis when I was disappointed with people, how could
people be so disappointing? Dennis, are you disappointed when you
see that people behave poorly? And I was frankly shocked
(24:51):
because his response to me was, Marissa, I'm actually more
surprised when I see good people who are brave, and
I didn't understand that until this year. I didn't understand
how rare it is to find people who are brave
and have moral clarity and discernment and really moral resilience.
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I grew up as a kid, I learned about the Holocaust.
I never understood how the Holocaust could have happened. I
think now I kind of understand. I think I kind
of understand now. And so as Dennis has been preoccupied
with good people and how good people are made. And
many people in this room have children. There are a
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lot of young people here with kids, my kids ages.
I'm curious, how do we make more Brandon Tatums, How
do we make more Aaron Mollins in the world?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And what is it that made you you?
Speaker 8 (25:56):
What made you discerning and brave? So let's start with
ladies first. Aaron, you've come here from Australia. You are
known all over the world, and for some interesting reason,
an Australian news anchor decided to speak about the defense
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of the West and the defense of Israel.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Why who.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
First of all, thank you so so much for having me.
You're doing a phenomenal job. What a room Douglas Murray
was superb. It's an honor to sit here next to you.
You're amazing, And thank you everyone in the room for
your support of this incredible organization. Honestly, they do God's work.
So I ask you, as someone who is not donating
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myself tonight, I ask you to be incredibly generous if
you can be, and thank you for your support for me.
I think it was never so much a question after
October seven of which side I would be on.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I mean, it's utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It was so clear to me that this was good
versus evil, straightway. And I'm the daughter of a man
who was a major general in the army who went
to war to defend my country, was willing to give
his life in defense not just of my nation, but
of what we value, what we stand for. And I
think what terrified me so much after October seven, it
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wasn't the fact that two days later there were people
in my country in front of a very famous landmark
celebrating that massacre, chanting death to the Jews, gas the Jews.
That didn't scare me, because there is evil in every
part of the world. It absolutely it disappointed me greatly
It disgusted me, but it didn't scare me. What scared
me was the silence that followed of my fellow Australians,
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most of whom I know are decent, god fearing, staunchly
supportive of what it's good in the world. But their
silence utterly terrified me. And that's when I thought we
have a problem here. I looked at our leadership that country,
and that was a moment for my Prime Minister to
come out and determine that is not who we are,
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that is not what we stand for, that is not
what we accept in this country, not on my watch.
But instead he cowered and not one person was held
to account. And I've watched a country that I love,
that my father would have died for, just slowly decay
over the past two years. So for me, I didn't
feel like I had a choice. I've got a seven
year old. I understand that this issue is so much
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bigger than just Hamas Israel, though that would be enough
for me to stand like you. I learned about the
Holocaust and what I could not understand is the people
who did nothing. And I never thought I would be
tested in that space, But it was never a choice.
It was something that I did and I will do
again for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's an honor to stand and to fight for.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
What matters, brandon your moral discipline. Where does that come from?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Well, I think it's very simple. It comes from God.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
When you give your life to God and you dedicate
yourself to something greater than yourself, it's quite easy for
you to have the moral clarity. And I think that's
the biggest principle for me. It's not that I'm so good,
it's so great and so smart. It's that I do
understand where I'm at and God's plan for my life,
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and that drives me every single day to do what's right.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And when I look over the world, I.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Understand that it's not a natural instinct for people to
be bold and courageous.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
It's not natural.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
People do want a coward, especially in the face of backlash.
With the amount of hatred I get online now, which
is bizarre to me. I mean, they hate me more now,
or some of the people. It's just crazy people, not y'all,
y'all the smart ones. Somebody next door is.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Hating on me.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
But even when I came out and said I supported Trump,
I didn't get as much hate when I stood up
against Black Lives Matter, which is a I A would say,
a domestic terrorist organization. I didn't get as much hate
when I stood up against the government during COVID, all
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of that foolishness that they were doing, telling us to
wear a mask, getting double vaxed, and all this so
crazy stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I still didn't get it that much hate.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
But for some reason, when I just put my thinking
cap on and I said, this is wrong. What happened
on October seven, this wrong. How they're portrend is rulin.
The media, anti simitism is out of control. And when
I did that, people begin to turn on me that
were originally on my side. People that are on the
(30:51):
right call me the N word and bashed me every day.
And do I care know how Whoever, I do see
the perspective that people are conditioned, unfortunately with a mind virus,
(31:13):
and once you go down this path of a mind
virus to hate Jews, God opens your mind to be
a reprobate. And I'm telling you now, you guys can
see the people online doing it, the ones that hate
the Jews, they tend to fall off the wagon on
everything else. They talk about they've lost their entire minds,
(31:36):
diving into conspiracies, turning on everything that they claim to
believe in God, you know, claim that they believe in God,
turning on it. They use the word platforming. They encourage
people to come on their shows and say the stupidest
stuff that you've ever heard, the very foundation of being
conservative and putting God first.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
They wipe it all away because they hate us.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
You know, we got into this fight together over censorship.
We didn't want to get the deplatformed. I mean, prayer
you sued YouTube, and we're dealing with constant deplatforming. The
right has been incredibly sensitive to the idea of deplatforming
people who have differing ideas. But now the concept on
(32:28):
the right is the tent is so big that every
vile person deserves to be platformed. What's your reaction to
does the tent have any borders? Do we lose our
soul because we just allow everybody to be part of
this big tent? And what's the cost of having no
(32:49):
borders in the tent?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Well?
Speaker 6 (32:51):
Well, I think it's very simple. We all agree with
free speech. Say whatever you want on your platform, be
an idiot, It's fine. I'm going to challenge you. But
what we don't accept is that when you have somebody
on your platform, or you bring somebody up and you
don't challenge them, what kind of coward are you?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
You know I'm gonna shut up. I swear.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
When I look at the chair there where Charlie would
be as my friend, if someone were to talk trash
about my friend and bash his wife, the last thing
that you would do is be able to come on
(33:41):
my platform. The last thing that you would do is
to probably be able to talk to me without being confronted.
And we see people just mindless in letting this stuff go.
Enough is enough. We have principles, we have standards, and
you can spew that wrap on your own platform, but
(34:01):
you're not gonna come on here and be a fool. Aaron.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
I know that you've been watching carefully, and I know
that conservatives have inspired you. As an Australian who is
fighting for freedom of speech, who is fighting for common
sense and patriotism in Australia, you come here and you're
witnessing what is happening here in America on the right.
The fight not just been left and right, but right
(34:31):
and wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
What's your take?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I think I mean, i'd say it's been fascinating to
watch if it also hasn't been so gross in so
many different ways. People that I once admired and looked
up to and hope to emulate. One day I feel
very let down by and again and you make the
point that is their right to absolutely say whatever the
hell they want to say, but it is our right
(34:57):
to then call them out and five back. And I
feel like in this space, you know, I spend so
much of my time calling out those on the left
who are complete hypocrites. I call out feminists who who
march in the street having tried to get a bloke
in a workplace sacked because he complimented a woman's dress,
(35:18):
to then walk outside and join a pro Humas march
and deny the rape of Israeli women.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I call that out because it's bs, so you have
to then do it on the other side.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And I think, again, it doesn't mean that you're deplatforming people,
it doesn't mean you're canceling people. But I think it
says a lot about who you are the kind of
things you let go by. And my dad, again was
a major general in the army, and he always spoke
about the standard that you that you accept, is you
know that you allow? Is the standard that you yourself
(35:51):
adhere to. And I've always you know, he raised me
to speak up when things are not right. So I
look at it and I think, you know, they came
more deeply, and I know I.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Completely butchered that saying.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
So, if anyone would like to yell it out, what
is that the standard you walk past?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Is the standard you accept? Yes? So I feel like.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
They are motivated so much more by money, so much
more by ratings, so much more by the chaos they create.
How ironic is it that so many of these people
who were on network television as was I up until
last year, celebrated their freedom by going independent, to say
that they could say the truth now and not be
controlled by anyone.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Catching it changed very quickly, very quickly.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
They're all compromised in so many ways, and it's sad
to watch.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
In a lot of ways.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
It's interesting you had a dream job. I mean, you're
a sports news anchor. I think every kid wants to
be a sports news anchor. I can't imagine how hard
it is, even in Australia. It must be very competitive.
You had this dream job, and you have a child,
You have a young daughter, and now you're a dedicating
your life traveling all.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Over the place. What has this new life cost you?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
How?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Look for starters.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I do it first and foremost for my little girl.
I have a seven year old daughter Calledaliza, and it's
probably the only part of this life that I struggle
with or that I stop and question, because the cause
I don't ever question.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I know beyond doubt that I'm on the right side
of history.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And that this space is noble and worthy. But I
also know that what I do endangers her in a
way that didn't exist previously. And I make that choice
every day to publicly fight in this space. She does not,
So that's probably the part that's very hard. But pick
(37:55):
your heart. It's harder now, absolutely, it's harder now. But
in five years, if people like me, if you don't
speak out, what kind of world exists for our children?
What kind of world? So I mean, like all of
us in this space, I have lost a lot. But
(38:16):
you know what, I look at differences of opinion I
have with people when it comes to politics, or when
it comes to COVID lockdowns, or when it comes to
particular politicians. You can have a difference in opinion and
I can say, you know what, I still love you.
You lean to the left, Fine, let's debate it, then
let's go out for a drink. In this space, though,
when it's values driven, when it is at your core,
(38:38):
do you believe in good or do you believe in evil?
I look at the people I've lost and I say,
good riddance. I say, what a great way to cleanse
in a lot of ways. So it's I mean, I
think I've had a tight chest for two years.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Safety is a massive issue. We all get it. We
get you know the difference here.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I used to get three it's when I was hosting sport,
but they would be from knob shiners in their mother's basement.
Now they're oh sorry, is that? Are we allowed to
say that? No, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. To
the priests in the room, I'm so sorry. I promise
I'm going to dedicate myself more to religion at some
(39:21):
stage when.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I have I forget the I forget you.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
But but the threats now in this space are from
those who have a bit more of a tendency to
carry them out. So it's tough but I have gained
so much more than I have lost. It is such
a privilege to exist in this space, and I it's
an honor. It's an honor to do it, and it's
it's something I hope my daughter, when she's a little
bit older, we'll be a little bit proud of and
(39:46):
we'll understand why there were sacrifices in the short term
for what I hope will be a world that she
is proud of and she can exist freely.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And in the long term.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Yeah, Sadly, we have to wrap up because Aaron has
to catch a flight, but I'm going to channel Dennis
Praeger one more time and let you know that Aaron
is single and ready to mingle, and so please.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Text me if you have any anybody to set her up.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I have horrendous taste, by the way, I'll screen them first.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Everyone else's love, Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Well.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I hope you enjoyed something a little bit different there.
Thank you so so much for your company.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
We'll have a.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Weekend bonus episode coming up for you, which will be
an absolute cracker as always, and then I'll see you
next week Monday, six am ET. Love you all, Thank you,
so much for your support. It's been a massive week.
Alex Wikoff. Make sure if you've missed it, you have
to watch or listen to that episode, same as the
Katari opposition leader.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
That is must watch, must listen.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
And of course Dave Ruben you probably have just watched
and just listened, but if you skip to the end,
which would be quite by our behavior, but hey, each
to their own, go back and listen to him and
watch him as well.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
We'll see you soon. Bye.
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