December 19, 2025 • 24 mins
Chuck Creekmur, founder of AllHipHop.com, joins The Fumble for a wide-ranging conversation on the blurred lines between business, controversy, and legacy in both boxing and hip-hop. Creekmur breaks down the rise of fighters like Jake Paul, the legacy of Terence Crawford, and why boxing’s marketing playbook feels eerily familiar to the music industry. He reflects on Don King’s polarizing legacy, the scripted spectacle of modern combat sports, and why rage-bait works—until it doesn’t .Beyond boxing, Chuck opens up about business fallouts in rap, like Naughty by Nature and EPMD, and explores whether legacy really matters in an era of viral headlines. He also addresses the Jalen Hurts media bias, the dysfunction in Dallas, and what AllHipHop has in store for 2026—from archival storytelling to a return to radio and a long-overdue video series rooted in cultural history, not clout-chasing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I want to put some respect on somebody's name
that most people hate, and that's Don King. And the
reason I want to put respect on Don King is
because Don brought the marketing with the boxes. He put
these incredible fights together that made us feel something. Jake
Paul is given those vibes, that marketing vibe, that hatred
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you have. If you hate me or love me, it
doesn't matter as long as you buy tickets.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I got to push back on the Don King acknowledgement,
like granted, like phenomenal marketer, promoter, but he came with
a lot of books.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We have a very special guest on the show with
us today. He's such a major person in the culture
right now telling our stories. He's a media mogul, producer
and CEO of All Hip Hop dot Com. Please welcome
Chuck Kreekmer to the Fumble. Thank you so much for
coming on with that.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Thanks for having me, guys, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yes, sir, we're sitting you in right now. It's like
a hotel decor behind you where we are.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Right Oh man, I tried to hide it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I mean, I'm in a small town in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Nothing small about the state of Jersey thought be out here.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Real? Have you with nah? Shout out to Jersey Nah
for real?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
All they Hey, man, we know that you're a big
boxing fan. There's been a couple of boxing stories that
broke this week, one for me being that Terrence Crawford
has decided to walk away from the sport. What are
your thoughts on his legacy, his career and do you
foresee him kind of taking the Floyd Mayweather route and
having a lot of exhibition fights in order to get
that bag because he can't be done earning money.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Nah, I think it might be a ploy. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I don't know for sure. I think I think he's
playing with our emotions right now. I think he wants
to get that one hundred million dollar bag or that
offer the Saudi's or someone somebody's prints. But as far
as Terrence Crawford, man, he's an all time great. He's
got more in the tank. Obviously, he just beat Canelo.
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There's no question as to his star power as well,
so there's a lot of things going for him. And
I just think that he's got to make the people
put some respect on his name the way they put
respect on other people's names, like Canelo, who was the
star of old you know what I mean. So I
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love him though he's a black king, and you know
we need more of those.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Do you think his forty one and no record is
a stronger record than Floyd's fifty and.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Oh no, I can't say. I can't. I can honestly
say that that's a big no.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
However, However, I wouldn't mind seeing him try to get that,
you know, that fifty fifty one.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
If he does it, you know, can he do it?
I don't know. I don't know. Will he do it?
I doubt it, but it would be nice to see.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I know that Rodney just
did a short on his retirement, and there were people
in the comments going back and forth saying that they
didn't think he was top three all time, even top ten.
I was like, oh, okay, so who were your top
three if you had to.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Just I mean just from a I mean as a fan,
or as a as a as you know, more of
a boxing analystic too, maybe both. I mean as a fan.
My top three is it's a little weird, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Ali.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Of course, despite Maga Mike in recent times, Mike Tyson
is yeah, big time, really big time Donald Trump supporter. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that's my guy. But at the same time,
recently it's been tough and in that number three spot, personally,
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I put George Foreman in there, right because George Foreman
did the ultimate comeback at a very you know, much
later in his life. You know, he's the king of reinvention.
He was the beast that took the fall and then
then got up, reinvented himself, forman Grills all that, and
he's a very nice gentleman man God, so got to
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put him on there. From a boxing perspective, Floyd Mayweather
is definitely up there at probably number two, at least
still number one, and Joe Lewis.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think would be like three for me, okay or
Sugar Ray Robinson's probably three.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah. Speaking of Mike Tyson, we've had a few conversations
on this platform about legacy, especially like in a sport
like boxing, where we see a lot of people maybe
getting fights or doing fights that aren't helping the legacy
is more just like a money grab. How important do
you feel like legacy is to the sport of boxing.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Legacy's massive to boxing, and I think boxing is in
decline for a variety of reasons. First of all the
WWE aspect of other sports like MMA. But you know,
I want to put some respect on somebody's name that
most people hate, and that's Don King. And the reason
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I want to put respect on Don King is because
Don brought the marketing with the boxing. He put fights
together that made people feel this incredible emotion. Right Jerry
Cooney versus Larry Holmes, for example, that was white versus black,
Like as much as we don't want to call it that,
that's what it ended up being. And then obviously his
(05:23):
history of Mike Tyson and other people. But I mean
he did our Leave versus Foreman. So he put these
incredible fights together that made us feel something. Jake Paul
is given those vibes, that marketing vibe, that hatred. You
have Floyd switched from pretty boy Floyd to money Mayweather
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to get that response from people that hate. If you
hate me or love me, it doesn't matter as long
as you buy tickets.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I got to push back on the Don King acknowledgement,
like granted, like phenomenal marketer promoter, but he came with
a lot of books, and you know that on the
other side of his genius was some shady business practices
and a lot of gangster activities that put people in
precarious situations. And I could make an equivalency to a
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guy who just got sentenced to four years in prison
if we want to go down that route, Like, yeah,
for show brought did he done brought us some amazing artists, right,
he done brought us some amazing artists. But at the
same time, the business that he did with those artists
was at times deplorable. Man, And I'm a beneficiary of
Diddy's greatness. Is for the record, I had to show
(06:33):
in revote for years, so I got to be, you know,
a little bit appreciative. But I can also recognize when
somebody has has done foul.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So well, you know, there's two sides to that, right,
there's the business and you know, and I know there's
other people doing exactly the same thing Don King did,
except they weren't flashy about it, and they aren't loud,
and they aren't polarizing the way Don is. Don is
a loud black man with a hair style that you know,
(07:02):
I don't even know what is what? What are those
dolls called that the troll dolls. Yeah, get them them.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I've met Don, I've interviewed Don. He's also Donald Trump. Don.
I mean, it's out here, it's tough. It's tough out here, Chuck.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It is safe to say that you like what the
Paul brothers are doing for the sport of boxing.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
No, it's not safe to say. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I actually I actually, I actually hate it. I mean, well,
I put it like this, I have two sods. I
hate it and I and I like it. Right, I
hate it because I feel like they're playing with boxing,
and there's a huge slogan you don't play boxing. I
feel like they're playing with boxing, which is why this
fight with Anthony Joshua is so important. But you got
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to respect the marketing. You know, he's he's someone who
studied Vince McMahon and w W E. He knows the
tactics of being a heel or someone that's hated.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Its rage baiting one on one and yeah, absolutely he's
mastered it. He has for sure mastered it. I want
to pivot a little bit and just talking about about
business and when it's personal and when it's not so
We've seen the way Chris Paul has been treated and
what's supposed to be his last season. We saw well
recently it was announced today that Kevin Garnett will actually
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formally have his jersey retired in Minnesota, something that should
have been done two decades ago.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But there's always been this saying in sports, especially that
it's business is never personal. Does that actually hold.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
True for the most part, I think it holds true
that that it's business and not personal. It can be personal, obviously,
it's it's ultimately business if you make money at somebody.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But all right, we just talked about legacy, right, Chris
Paul is in the last leg of his legacy. Kevin
Garnett's legacy is impacted and affected by his not having
his jersey in the banners. And it wasn't because of
anything he did on the court, So it wasn't business related.
It's a personal vendetta that the previous owner, Glenn Taylor,
had against him. And so I feel like the people
who make that statement that is business never personal are
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always the people who who are more immersed in the
business than they are in the actual sport.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Correct me if I'm wrong, But they don't make money
together anymore? Are they Do they make money together now?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
No, because Glenn sold the team. But remember for years
he wouldn't even have KG up around. He wouldn't even
have kg a part of anything Minnesota. He's the greatest
Timberwolf of all time.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, whatever he did, or whatever relationship they had in
the past, it's now perhaps personal, but they had their
run making money together.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know, you'll tolerate anybody rappers right now.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They don't love each other, some hate each other, but
they get on that stage and they perform for people
for one reason, they make money together.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So I don't see this as much different. Honestly, give me.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Some rappers who hate each other that are currently performing together,
because now the schools I know, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Ha ha.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
H, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I mean I recently interviewed Eric Sermon from E p
m D. I know that might be before y'all's time.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They never performed together the last time they did. I
was actually at the show and I was interviewing Ll
Couj and he spoke about the fact that epm D
was performing as an entire group, and they seldom ever
do that.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So I'm very familiar.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, well, he said, he said a phrase, he said,
we're cordial enough, and I was like, wow, that's that's
what that means. I hate you, but I can get
on stage and make money with you. Ironically, every one
of their albums had business in it, strictly business on.
But yeah, and the others, like say Naughty by Nature,
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who have amazing, you know, an amazing catalog, they can't
get on stage together.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And that's that's tragic for the fans.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Is it Vinnie and Trench or is it.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's you know what, let me not speak on other
folks business. Let me not speak on other folks business.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Almost almost had you facts. It's just County we out here, Mari.
The Jersey thing be taking over him.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I know, I see it multiple shout shout out to
all those gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Though. I've really missed the energy that they brought.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I pray in twenty twenty six, which I think is
like their thirty thirty fifth anniversary maybe forty something.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Crazy that they pull it together.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know, I'm really interested, Chuck to know what is
the craziest story, the craziest hitline that you saw on
All hip Hop dot Com this week?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Wis Khalif is going to jail for nine months. Just
happened just now.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
That just broke.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, he got Whit's Khalifa got caught smoking weed or
with weed in Romania and got sentenced to nine months
in prison. So whether or not he serves that is
another story. But yeah, he's he can't go to Romania
or he's stuck in Romania, something along those lines. But
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he's absolutely been sentenced to nine months in jail.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
We've gotta stop smoking overseas.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
We just gotta stop not working out the other obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Jim Jones, Jim Jones, Jim Jones, fifty Mayo and the crew.
I wish they would just stop so we can have
our lives back. This is like the male version of
a soap opera of beef. It's exhausting. So the headline
last night on All Hip Hop was the Beef is Over.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
A few hours later, fifty cent is like, now here's
the audio from the Landlord where Jim Jones stays, and
he's messing with his everything, you know, pause everything I
don't know, and fifty knows that it's marketing.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Mayno knows that it's marketing. Now he says.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Streams are up, people are looking at our podcast. They
know about our podcast. Now, you know, they might even
be in cahoots for all we know.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You know, I used to.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Run from beef with fifty, Like fifty mentioned all hip
hop one time, and I was so scared.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I was like, oh God, please know this is like,
this is the worst thing that could happen to me.
Beef with fifty. Now I wouldn't mind it so much.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'd be like, all right, well, please say my name
because the algorithm's killing us right now.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Okay, Chuck, before we let you go, I know that
you're an Eagles fan.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Let's just get right into it. What's wrong with the
Dallas Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Damn yo, the Dallas Cowboys are cursed? Jerry Jones. I mean,
that's it, Jerry Jones. You do right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I'm an Eagles fan, so I naturally, just like just
like a fly hates a spider, I hate the Dallas
Cowboys and I can't not hate them. In fact, I
have to really curb the hate because I have really
good friends who love the Dallas Cowboys. So the vitriol
that I show, I have to put it in a
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You know, in the in the corner or sometimes. However,
once they were well, they are more or less eliminated
from from the playoffs. I had to let loose a
little bit more, and some of my friends are upset
about me.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
So, so, what's wrong with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think everything is wrong. I think that they have
market themselves better than any other team to the point
where they're considered America's team. However, if you know the
history of America, why would you why would you think
that these guys are America's team? I mean, I got
I could go so deep, y'all, I just don't even
I don't even want to go there. You know, the
first Cowboys were black, Like, we go there, Jerry Jones
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acts like a slave master.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
We could go there.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Like.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
There's so many levels to the hate I have. I
really just be like, don't do this right now, don't
don't do it. At the root of it, Yeah, the
Eagles and the Cowboys are mortal enemies, and that's that's
really it, at the root of it.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
But there's so much more to say. It's good to
them boys, though. It's good to see.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You policing what comes out of your mouth. Man that's
that's healthy for you. Then then I want you to
live in the healthiest version of yourself.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Man, before we.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Get oh never, go ahead ahead, no good no go
ahead no no no, no, no no no.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I don't say nothing crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The way the finger came up, it felt like it's
something that you should get off your chest.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I'm not nah nah.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Let's just say I met a cowboy and this was
many years ago, and I was talking. I was talking
like I was about to do something, and I was like,
what are you doing right now?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like I was in my head. I was talking to myself,
like what are you doing right now? And I don't
know what I'll be doing sometimes with these cowboys people,
because I know I can't beat no athlete.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Why do you think that? Let you know what real quick.
I ain't mean to go down this path, but we're
here now. You think because somebody is an athlete, they
can fight.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I know they're stronger. But you're right that sin you know,
it's a different story.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You're right, there's some professional athletes. I get busy on Pauls.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
But like with the heads with the.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah yeah yeah, I just think like people have this
perception in their head that because somebody is a professional athlete,
you know that they just inherently have have more physical
ability when it comes to fighting. And I don't think
that's true. And I'm not I'm not little. I'm six
two hundred and ten pounds, so I'm kind of like
built like a dB low key. I don't really have
a problem with a with a good squabble if necessary.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
No, I'm just curious.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh, that's who can you be? Who can you beat?
Who can you beat? Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
In the NBA, I'm dog walking a lot of cats
like it's it's not even NBA guys. Now, granted it's
Isaiah Steward from the Pistons. I wouldn't noble with him,
you know what I'm saying. Too big, too big of
a guy and crazy on the court. We don't know
what he's like off the court. But anybody that's like
six three six y four and under.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Okay, say, for instance, because you go toe to toe,
would you would you go toe to toe with Jah Moran?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, slight word, I would have a private jamarant John Morant. No, no, no, no, no,
he's he's too little one and then two, I think
that his private school background he ain't really have Yeah,
I think he went to a good public school.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't think he actually went to a private school.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
But I would never I would never want to have
a violent moment with another black man. Let me just
go on record and saying that we just talking hypothetical.
I have no desire to be in any kind of
fisticuffs or any moment of violence with anybody who is
a brother to me. Chuck anything else you want to
plug with all hip hop? What's going on with the
direction of the company. What can we look forward to
in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
My brother, Uh, go birds? Before I do any of that,
go birds. Shoutut to the Eagles, shout to uh. My man,
Jalen Hurts, who gets way more crap from the media
than any other elite quarterback. I think it's crazy. I
don't know because he's elite, because he's crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Who's your team? Who's your team? You'll have a team?
You don't have a football team.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Retired from having a football team, post Johns Kaepernick, post Kaepernick,
I don't have a team.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Okay, okay, whatever, listen anyway, go birds, Jalen. Jalen Hurts,
unfortunately is a victim of of of racism, systemic racism,
and bias in media and sports. His stats thus far
our cramp are comparable to Tom Brady period. Just look
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it up. They're comparable to Tom Brady. Now, I'm not
saying he's as good as Tom Brady, but they are
very very close, very close. Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I can't numbers. I can't know. I don't have to
look at no. No, no, numbers don't tell the story.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And that's why he's that's the key differential.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
No, he's got more greatness, he has more everything. Like,
what do you mean, tom Brady's greatest quarterback of all time?
We're not going to compare. Jalen Hurts was not even
a top five quarterback in the league. Right now, it's
the greatest of all time. And let's not be ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I'm not being ridiculous. So I'm saying, look at the numbers.
What else do you have? It's not how you feel,
it's not what you've been sold. It's what's facts.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
No, it's not, but the numbers are. The numbers are misleading.
And here's why Tom Brady when he started his career,
the NFL was not a passing league. Jalen Hurts plays
in a pass happy NFL where the rules are very different.
DB's cannot put their hands on receivers at all, and
so his numbers might look a little bit on par.
But if you ever knew or watched the game of
football and had any level of understanding of what the
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hell is going on on the field, there is no
way you can, in your common sense state of mind,
compare Tom Brady and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I'm saying. What I'm really saying is I mean, say
whatever you just said. Cool. All I'm saying is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
My guy does not get the same disrespect, I mean,
the same respect as these other guys.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, I will agree with that.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Come on, dude, because this team respect him.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So yes, So, Chuck, I was going to ask about
that because we have seen, you know, instances work with
aj Brown, Like, do you agree with the way that
he went about some of the things that they had
going on in the locker room?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
No? I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I mean, I played sports, but I didn't I didn't
get to this level. I mean, obviously I didn't get
to anything close to this level of camaraderie of celeb
all that.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
So I mean I would say no, I mean, I would.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Expect the conversation behind closed doors, personally in the car
after the game or whatever Cats do out of respect.
And I think AJ has tweeted these things that are
interpreted it wrong or perhaps taking the wrong way or whatever,
but nevertheless not clear. And I think AJ is an
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amazing guy who really wants to do well on a
personal level, and there are reasons for that, as you
already know. But I think they figured that out that
it's better for the team to win than it is
for AJ to to succeed personally. We lost three games
in a row, and AJ's stats, we're leading the league
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three games in a row, so I don't think that
it makes sense for him to advance his career and
the team suffer like that. So as far as all
hip hop is concerned, we we're doing well.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a crazy
landscape media wise, as you guys already know. So we're
really pushing forward to diversify our offer offerings, tap into
our archives. We have a really extensive archive. I would
argue that we have an archive like none in black
media period, certainly hip hop media more than any other entity.
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And we're going to tap into that. So we're working
on advancing all hip hop TV. We had a radio
initiative years ago, and I have a radio background that
I didn't really tap into when I really dug my
heels into writing.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
So we're getting back with all hip hop radio.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
And you know, the last thing is just doing business again,
you know, business to business. You know, we did a
lot of business to business early on, and then we
sort of became an island and now it's like, well,
why are we being an island when there's all these
opportunities out here now.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So that's more or less our goal.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And personally, I just want to expand my horizons again,
be like, you guys have a show of my own
and really, you know, off of my opinion on things.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I was gonna say, man, you guys really need an
audio video component. And I don't want to use the
word podcast, but I guess essentially it is, but not
one that's rooted in you know, mess and hotlines and headlines.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
When one rooted in story and history.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know that we because right now a lot of
hip hop hop podcasts are pretty much predicated on making
outlandish statements, hot taste, all those things, and it serves
a point, and I love those things, but I'm looking
for a little more balance in the space. And I
think with your cultural background, your historical background and the
culture man, you have a swath of stories and information
(23:33):
that I think would be really healthy to be told
on the podcast video space Man.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So thank you, go for it, Go for it, bro Man.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Well, we appreciate you, Man. Mostly outside of the Tom
Brady and Jalen Hurts comparison. I thought this was a
very compelling conversation. You know, but as you get older,
sometimes your brain it goes a little awry and you
have moments like that where you say nonsense and you're
WoT your mouth a little bit. But thank you, Chuck Man.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
It's always on and s
Well, I want to put some respect on somebody's name
that most people hate, and that's Don King. And the
reason I want to put respect on Don King is
because Don brought the marketing with the boxes. He put
these incredible fights together that made us feel something. Jake
Paul is given those vibes, that marketing vibe, that hatred
(00:22):
you have. If you hate me or love me, it
doesn't matter as long as you buy tickets.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I got to push back on the Don King acknowledgement,
like granted, like phenomenal marketer, promoter, but he came with
a lot of books.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We have a very special guest on the show with
us today. He's such a major person in the culture
right now telling our stories. He's a media mogul, producer
and CEO of All Hip Hop dot Com. Please welcome
Chuck Kreekmer to the Fumble. Thank you so much for
coming on with that.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Thanks for having me, guys, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yes, sir, we're sitting you in right now. It's like
a hotel decor behind you where we are.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Right Oh man, I tried to hide it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I mean, I'm in a small town in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Nothing small about the state of Jersey thought be out here.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Real? Have you with nah? Shout out to Jersey Nah
for real?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
All they Hey, man, we know that you're a big
boxing fan. There's been a couple of boxing stories that
broke this week, one for me being that Terrence Crawford
has decided to walk away from the sport. What are
your thoughts on his legacy, his career and do you
foresee him kind of taking the Floyd Mayweather route and
having a lot of exhibition fights in order to get
that bag because he can't be done earning money.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Nah, I think it might be a ploy. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I don't know for sure. I think I think he's
playing with our emotions right now. I think he wants
to get that one hundred million dollar bag or that
offer the Saudi's or someone somebody's prints. But as far
as Terrence Crawford, man, he's an all time great. He's
got more in the tank. Obviously, he just beat Canelo.
(01:55):
There's no question as to his star power as well,
so there's a lot of things going for him. And
I just think that he's got to make the people
put some respect on his name the way they put
respect on other people's names, like Canelo, who was the
star of old you know what I mean. So I
(02:15):
love him though he's a black king, and you know
we need more of those.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Do you think his forty one and no record is
a stronger record than Floyd's fifty and.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Oh no, I can't say. I can't. I can honestly
say that that's a big no.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
However, However, I wouldn't mind seeing him try to get that,
you know, that fifty fifty one.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
If he does it, you know, can he do it?
I don't know. I don't know. Will he do it?
I doubt it, but it would be nice to see.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I know that Rodney just
did a short on his retirement, and there were people
in the comments going back and forth saying that they
didn't think he was top three all time, even top ten.
I was like, oh, okay, so who were your top
three if you had to.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Just I mean just from a I mean as a fan,
or as a as a as you know, more of
a boxing analystic too, maybe both. I mean as a fan.
My top three is it's a little weird, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Ali.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Of course, despite Maga Mike in recent times, Mike Tyson
is yeah, big time, really big time Donald Trump supporter. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that's my guy. But at the same time,
recently it's been tough and in that number three spot, personally,
(03:38):
I put George Foreman in there, right because George Foreman
did the ultimate comeback at a very you know, much
later in his life. You know, he's the king of reinvention.
He was the beast that took the fall and then
then got up, reinvented himself, forman Grills all that, and
he's a very nice gentleman man God, so got to
(04:01):
put him on there. From a boxing perspective, Floyd Mayweather
is definitely up there at probably number two, at least
still number one, and Joe Lewis.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think would be like three for me, okay or
Sugar Ray Robinson's probably three.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah. Speaking of Mike Tyson, we've had a few conversations
on this platform about legacy, especially like in a sport
like boxing, where we see a lot of people maybe
getting fights or doing fights that aren't helping the legacy
is more just like a money grab. How important do
you feel like legacy is to the sport of boxing.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Legacy's massive to boxing, and I think boxing is in
decline for a variety of reasons. First of all the
WWE aspect of other sports like MMA. But you know,
I want to put some respect on somebody's name that
most people hate, and that's Don King. And the reason
(05:02):
I want to put respect on Don King is because
Don brought the marketing with the boxing. He put fights
together that made people feel this incredible emotion. Right Jerry
Cooney versus Larry Holmes, for example, that was white versus black,
Like as much as we don't want to call it that,
that's what it ended up being. And then obviously his
(05:23):
history of Mike Tyson and other people. But I mean
he did our Leave versus Foreman. So he put these
incredible fights together that made us feel something. Jake Paul
is given those vibes, that marketing vibe, that hatred. You
have Floyd switched from pretty boy Floyd to money Mayweather
(05:44):
to get that response from people that hate. If you
hate me or love me, it doesn't matter as long
as you buy tickets.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I got to push back on the Don King acknowledgement,
like granted, like phenomenal marketer promoter, but he came with
a lot of books, and you know that on the
other side of his genius was some shady business practices
and a lot of gangster activities that put people in
precarious situations. And I could make an equivalency to a
(06:13):
guy who just got sentenced to four years in prison
if we want to go down that route, Like, yeah,
for show brought did he done brought us some amazing artists, right,
he done brought us some amazing artists. But at the
same time, the business that he did with those artists
was at times deplorable. Man, And I'm a beneficiary of
Diddy's greatness. Is for the record, I had to show
(06:33):
in revote for years, so I got to be, you know,
a little bit appreciative. But I can also recognize when
somebody has has done foul.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So well, you know, there's two sides to that, right,
there's the business and you know, and I know there's
other people doing exactly the same thing Don King did,
except they weren't flashy about it, and they aren't loud,
and they aren't polarizing the way Don is. Don is
a loud black man with a hair style that you know,
(07:02):
I don't even know what is what? What are those
dolls called that the troll dolls. Yeah, get them them.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I've met Don, I've interviewed Don. He's also Donald Trump. Don.
I mean, it's out here, it's tough. It's tough out here, Chuck.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It is safe to say that you like what the
Paul brothers are doing for the sport of boxing.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
No, it's not safe to say. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I actually I actually, I actually hate it. I mean, well,
I put it like this, I have two sods. I
hate it and I and I like it. Right, I
hate it because I feel like they're playing with boxing,
and there's a huge slogan you don't play boxing. I
feel like they're playing with boxing, which is why this
fight with Anthony Joshua is so important. But you got
(07:53):
to respect the marketing. You know, he's he's someone who
studied Vince McMahon and w W E. He knows the
tactics of being a heel or someone that's hated.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Its rage baiting one on one and yeah, absolutely he's
mastered it. He has for sure mastered it. I want
to pivot a little bit and just talking about about
business and when it's personal and when it's not so
We've seen the way Chris Paul has been treated and
what's supposed to be his last season. We saw well
recently it was announced today that Kevin Garnett will actually
(08:26):
formally have his jersey retired in Minnesota, something that should
have been done two decades ago.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But there's always been this saying in sports, especially that
it's business is never personal. Does that actually hold.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
True for the most part, I think it holds true
that that it's business and not personal. It can be personal, obviously,
it's it's ultimately business if you make money at somebody.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But all right, we just talked about legacy, right, Chris
Paul is in the last leg of his legacy. Kevin
Garnett's legacy is impacted and affected by his not having
his jersey in the banners. And it wasn't because of
anything he did on the court, So it wasn't business related.
It's a personal vendetta that the previous owner, Glenn Taylor,
had against him. And so I feel like the people
who make that statement that is business never personal are
(09:13):
always the people who who are more immersed in the
business than they are in the actual sport.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Correct me if I'm wrong, But they don't make money
together anymore? Are they Do they make money together now?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
No, because Glenn sold the team. But remember for years
he wouldn't even have KG up around. He wouldn't even
have kg a part of anything Minnesota. He's the greatest
Timberwolf of all time.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, whatever he did, or whatever relationship they had in
the past, it's now perhaps personal, but they had their
run making money together.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know, you'll tolerate anybody rappers right now.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They don't love each other, some hate each other, but
they get on that stage and they perform for people
for one reason, they make money together.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So I don't see this as much different. Honestly, give me.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Some rappers who hate each other that are currently performing together,
because now the schools I know, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Ha ha.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
H, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I mean I recently interviewed Eric Sermon from E p
m D. I know that might be before y'all's time.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They never performed together the last time they did. I
was actually at the show and I was interviewing Ll
Couj and he spoke about the fact that epm D
was performing as an entire group, and they seldom ever
do that.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So I'm very familiar.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, well, he said, he said a phrase, he said,
we're cordial enough, and I was like, wow, that's that's
what that means. I hate you, but I can get
on stage and make money with you. Ironically, every one
of their albums had business in it, strictly business on.
But yeah, and the others, like say Naughty by Nature,
(10:44):
who have amazing, you know, an amazing catalog, they can't
get on stage together.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And that's that's tragic for the fans.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Is it Vinnie and Trench or is it.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's you know what, let me not speak on other
folks business. Let me not speak on other folks business.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Almost almost had you facts. It's just County we out here, Mari.
The Jersey thing be taking over him.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I know, I see it multiple shout shout out to
all those gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Though. I've really missed the energy that they brought.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I pray in twenty twenty six, which I think is
like their thirty thirty fifth anniversary maybe forty something.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Crazy that they pull it together.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know, I'm really interested, Chuck to know what is
the craziest story, the craziest hitline that you saw on
All hip Hop dot Com this week?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Wis Khalif is going to jail for nine months. Just
happened just now.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
That just broke.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, he got Whit's Khalifa got caught smoking weed or
with weed in Romania and got sentenced to nine months
in prison. So whether or not he serves that is
another story. But yeah, he's he can't go to Romania
or he's stuck in Romania, something along those lines. But
(11:54):
he's absolutely been sentenced to nine months in jail.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
We've gotta stop smoking overseas.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
We just gotta stop not working out the other obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Jim Jones, Jim Jones, Jim Jones, fifty Mayo and the crew.
I wish they would just stop so we can have
our lives back. This is like the male version of
a soap opera of beef. It's exhausting. So the headline
last night on All Hip Hop was the Beef is Over.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
A few hours later, fifty cent is like, now here's
the audio from the Landlord where Jim Jones stays, and
he's messing with his everything, you know, pause everything I
don't know, and fifty knows that it's marketing.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Mayno knows that it's marketing. Now he says.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Streams are up, people are looking at our podcast. They
know about our podcast. Now, you know, they might even
be in cahoots for all we know.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You know, I used to.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Run from beef with fifty, Like fifty mentioned all hip
hop one time, and I was so scared.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I was like, oh God, please know this is like,
this is the worst thing that could happen to me.
Beef with fifty. Now I wouldn't mind it so much.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'd be like, all right, well, please say my name
because the algorithm's killing us right now.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Okay, Chuck, before we let you go, I know that
you're an Eagles fan.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Let's just get right into it. What's wrong with the
Dallas Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Damn yo, the Dallas Cowboys are cursed? Jerry Jones. I mean,
that's it, Jerry Jones. You do right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I'm an Eagles fan, so I naturally, just like just
like a fly hates a spider, I hate the Dallas
Cowboys and I can't not hate them. In fact, I
have to really curb the hate because I have really
good friends who love the Dallas Cowboys. So the vitriol
that I show, I have to put it in a
(13:58):
You know, in the in the corner or sometimes. However,
once they were well, they are more or less eliminated
from from the playoffs. I had to let loose a
little bit more, and some of my friends are upset
about me.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
So, so, what's wrong with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think everything is wrong. I think that they have
market themselves better than any other team to the point
where they're considered America's team. However, if you know the
history of America, why would you why would you think
that these guys are America's team? I mean, I got
I could go so deep, y'all, I just don't even
I don't even want to go there. You know, the
first Cowboys were black, Like, we go there, Jerry Jones
(14:39):
acts like a slave master.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
We could go there.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Like.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
There's so many levels to the hate I have. I
really just be like, don't do this right now, don't
don't do it. At the root of it, Yeah, the
Eagles and the Cowboys are mortal enemies, and that's that's
really it, at the root of it.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
But there's so much more to say. It's good to
them boys, though. It's good to see.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You policing what comes out of your mouth. Man that's
that's healthy for you. Then then I want you to
live in the healthiest version of yourself.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Man, before we.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Get oh never, go ahead ahead, no good no go
ahead no no no, no, no no no.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I don't say nothing crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The way the finger came up, it felt like it's
something that you should get off your chest.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I'm not nah nah.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Let's just say I met a cowboy and this was
many years ago, and I was talking. I was talking
like I was about to do something, and I was like,
what are you doing right now?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like I was in my head. I was talking to myself,
like what are you doing right now? And I don't
know what I'll be doing sometimes with these cowboys people,
because I know I can't beat no athlete.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Why do you think that? Let you know what real quick.
I ain't mean to go down this path, but we're
here now. You think because somebody is an athlete, they
can fight.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I know they're stronger. But you're right that sin you know,
it's a different story.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You're right, there's some professional athletes. I get busy on Pauls.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
But like with the heads with the.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah yeah yeah, I just think like people have this
perception in their head that because somebody is a professional athlete,
you know that they just inherently have have more physical
ability when it comes to fighting. And I don't think
that's true. And I'm not I'm not little. I'm six
two hundred and ten pounds, so I'm kind of like
built like a dB low key. I don't really have
a problem with a with a good squabble if necessary.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
No, I'm just curious.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh, that's who can you be? Who can you beat?
Who can you beat? Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
In the NBA, I'm dog walking a lot of cats
like it's it's not even NBA guys. Now, granted it's
Isaiah Steward from the Pistons. I wouldn't noble with him,
you know what I'm saying. Too big, too big of
a guy and crazy on the court. We don't know
what he's like off the court. But anybody that's like
six three six y four and under.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Okay, say, for instance, because you go toe to toe,
would you would you go toe to toe with Jah Moran?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, slight word, I would have a private jamarant John Morant. No, no, no, no, no,
he's he's too little one and then two, I think
that his private school background he ain't really have Yeah,
I think he went to a good public school.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't think he actually went to a private school.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
But I would never I would never want to have
a violent moment with another black man. Let me just
go on record and saying that we just talking hypothetical.
I have no desire to be in any kind of
fisticuffs or any moment of violence with anybody who is
a brother to me. Chuck anything else you want to
plug with all hip hop? What's going on with the
direction of the company. What can we look forward to
in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
My brother, Uh, go birds? Before I do any of that,
go birds. Shoutut to the Eagles, shout to uh. My man,
Jalen Hurts, who gets way more crap from the media
than any other elite quarterback. I think it's crazy. I
don't know because he's elite, because he's crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Who's your team? Who's your team? You'll have a team?
You don't have a football team.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Retired from having a football team, post Johns Kaepernick, post Kaepernick,
I don't have a team.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Okay, okay, whatever, listen anyway, go birds, Jalen. Jalen Hurts,
unfortunately is a victim of of of racism, systemic racism,
and bias in media and sports. His stats thus far
our cramp are comparable to Tom Brady period. Just look
(18:46):
it up. They're comparable to Tom Brady. Now, I'm not
saying he's as good as Tom Brady, but they are
very very close, very close. Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I can't numbers. I can't know. I don't have to
look at no. No, no, numbers don't tell the story.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And that's why he's that's the key differential.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
No, he's got more greatness, he has more everything. Like,
what do you mean, tom Brady's greatest quarterback of all time?
We're not going to compare. Jalen Hurts was not even
a top five quarterback in the league. Right now, it's
the greatest of all time. And let's not be ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I'm not being ridiculous. So I'm saying, look at the numbers.
What else do you have? It's not how you feel,
it's not what you've been sold. It's what's facts.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
No, it's not, but the numbers are. The numbers are misleading.
And here's why Tom Brady when he started his career,
the NFL was not a passing league. Jalen Hurts plays
in a pass happy NFL where the rules are very different.
DB's cannot put their hands on receivers at all, and
so his numbers might look a little bit on par.
But if you ever knew or watched the game of
football and had any level of understanding of what the
(19:51):
hell is going on on the field, there is no
way you can, in your common sense state of mind,
compare Tom Brady and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I'm saying. What I'm really saying is I mean, say
whatever you just said. Cool. All I'm saying is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
My guy does not get the same disrespect, I mean,
the same respect as these other guys.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, I will agree with that.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Come on, dude, because this team respect him.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So yes, So, Chuck, I was going to ask about
that because we have seen, you know, instances work with
aj Brown, Like, do you agree with the way that
he went about some of the things that they had
going on in the locker room?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
No? I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I mean, I played sports, but I didn't I didn't
get to this level. I mean, obviously I didn't get
to anything close to this level of camaraderie of celeb
all that.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
So I mean I would say no, I mean, I would.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Expect the conversation behind closed doors, personally in the car
after the game or whatever Cats do out of respect.
And I think AJ has tweeted these things that are
interpreted it wrong or perhaps taking the wrong way or whatever,
but nevertheless not clear. And I think AJ is an
(21:09):
amazing guy who really wants to do well on a
personal level, and there are reasons for that, as you
already know. But I think they figured that out that
it's better for the team to win than it is
for AJ to to succeed personally. We lost three games
in a row, and AJ's stats, we're leading the league
(21:33):
three games in a row, so I don't think that
it makes sense for him to advance his career and
the team suffer like that. So as far as all
hip hop is concerned, we we're doing well.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a crazy
landscape media wise, as you guys already know. So we're
really pushing forward to diversify our offer offerings, tap into
our archives. We have a really extensive archive. I would
argue that we have an archive like none in black
media period, certainly hip hop media more than any other entity.
(22:13):
And we're going to tap into that. So we're working
on advancing all hip hop TV. We had a radio
initiative years ago, and I have a radio background that
I didn't really tap into when I really dug my
heels into writing.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
So we're getting back with all hip hop radio.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
And you know, the last thing is just doing business again,
you know, business to business. You know, we did a
lot of business to business early on, and then we
sort of became an island and now it's like, well,
why are we being an island when there's all these
opportunities out here now.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So that's more or less our goal.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And personally, I just want to expand my horizons again,
be like, you guys have a show of my own
and really, you know, off of my opinion on things.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I was gonna say, man, you guys really need an
audio video component. And I don't want to use the
word podcast, but I guess essentially it is, but not
one that's rooted in you know, mess and hotlines and headlines.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
When one rooted in story and history.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know that we because right now a lot of
hip hop hop podcasts are pretty much predicated on making
outlandish statements, hot taste, all those things, and it serves
a point, and I love those things, but I'm looking
for a little more balance in the space. And I
think with your cultural background, your historical background and the
culture man, you have a swath of stories and information
(23:33):
that I think would be really healthy to be told
on the podcast video space Man.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So thank you, go for it, Go for it, bro Man.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Well, we appreciate you, Man. Mostly outside of the Tom
Brady and Jalen Hurts comparison. I thought this was a
very compelling conversation. You know, but as you get older,
sometimes your brain it goes a little awry and you
have moments like that where you say nonsense and you're
WoT your mouth a little bit. But thank you, Chuck Man.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
It's always on and s
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