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December 3, 2025 13 mins

College football fans are debating whether Dillon Gabriel’s fiancé crossed a line after she was spotted on the sidelines appearing to critique team strategy and coaching decisions during a recent game. The moment quickly went viral, raising questions about what’s acceptable behavior for partners of athletes—especially in high-stakes environments. Critics argue her presence and commentary blur the lines between support and interference, while others defend her right to speak freely. As the role of WAGs (wives and girlfriends of athletes) becomes more visible, so do the expectations. Did she break an unwritten rule or just show passion?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dylan Gabriel is potentially a starting NFL quarterback. We operate
a little bit differently than you dating the guy down
at UPS.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is not acceptable, So Rodney, I did a short
on this yesterday, but I really had to get your
thoughts on this topic. I don't know if you saw it,
but Dylan Gabriel's fiance, Zoe Caswell, has essentially gone viral
on social media for comments that she's made about Dylan's career.

(00:30):
So usually she posts like get ready with me, She
posts a lot of content with her and Dylan. She
posts it once before that you know my fiance isn't starting.
I have a lot of thoughts on that, but I'm
not going to get into it, or he was concussed anyways.
She went on to say after their loss, the Browns
lost again, like what's new type deal? Well, somebody in

(00:51):
the comments were like, that's real racist, Like, you know,
the fans don't really want your man to start anyway,
and she says, actually everyone in the building wants him
to start, but you wouldn't know that because you're not
a coach, or you've never played in the NFL. Neither
has she, but that's neither here nor there. I started
my short with saying, this is wags one on one, right,

(01:13):
you don't do that. What are your thoughts runninge?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
My thoughts mean a lot less because you are a wag,
and so I would really be I mean, why's and
girlfriends of a valley?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, you are a wag by definition. Literally, here's my belief.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, it's tough talking about romance on this thing here
because it's like I want to go to certain places.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
But I gotta keep it peace guy, that keep it
pec all right?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
In these times, right when everyone and anyone has a
microphone and a platform, right, everyone is led to believe
that their voice should be heard. We gotta be very
careful about who we decide to partner with, and whomever
we decide to partner with, we have to do a
really good job of letting them know what's at stake
by virtue of this partnership. If this is one of

(02:03):
significantly high stakes, Dylan Gabriel is potentially a starting NFL quarterback,
we operate a little bit differently than you dating the.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
God down at ups.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
This is not acceptable, okay, Like the ramifications of it,
feeling like I have a bad system around me, can
affect my money, can affect my position with my teammates,
my or organization as a whole. So if you are
a partial representation of me, you have to learn how
to operate in a way that is on par with

(02:33):
where I want my career to go.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Dylan Gabriel is still a young man.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Maybe hasn't had that conversation yet, but that should have
been one of the first ones that he had before
he put the ring on her finger.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
You know, the problem is the kids nowadays don't have
pr training.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
The parents don't either.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
The parents don't either. Nobody has training, Nobody is getting trained.
That's not like a thing anymore. And we've seen Dylan
say things kind of made you scratch your head like, Okay,
is there something really going on because Shador doesn't give
off that same energy, and obviously it is. Obviously he's
going home and he's talking about this stuff to her,

(03:13):
which is normal, right, That is a normal thing, right,
Like you don't want to have to talk to everybody
in the facility, or if you have a homeboy that
plays on the team, you want to be able to
go home and talk to your partner about whatever you
have going on. The problem is you cannot, baby, you
cannot then go and say it on social media, because

(03:33):
now that just brings up all of these questions. Where
did Dylan get that from? Who told him that? You
know what I'm saying, I'm now thinking like, okay, so
who told him that everybody in the building wants him
to play? Did he just say that to make himself
feel better than you just repeated it, because it doesn't
seem like the owner. Well, maybe the owner wants him

(03:56):
to play, but the general manager I think was leaning
more shador you know, Kevin Stefanski may be leaning more
towards Dylan. But anyways, that's beside the point. This is
the point. Who is in charge of the girls. Who
is in charge of the girls, right, because I know,
like you said, I'm a wag, I'm a coach's wag, okay,

(04:17):
And a lot of the coaches are older, right, so
their wives are older. So I'm always the young person
in the room. And whether I asked for this or not,
you know, this intelligence and all the wisdom is bestowed
upon me and I receive it. Right. The ladies are like,
you know, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't tell people
who who your husband is, you know, like they're giving

(04:37):
me these little tidbits. Where are the women that are old, like, like,
who are the old heads on the Cleveland Browns? Where
was Joe Flacco's wife at? Because we never heard does
he have a wife? I don't know, but we've never
heard no mess with Joe Flacco and his wife. Where
was she at for the short period of time to

(04:58):
help y'all? To help you, y'all need some of the
older ladies there to kind of guide y'all. Y'all need guidance.
And I'm glad that people are going in on her
because you know, the people was like, now, wait a minute,
you didn't have any of this to say when your
when your fiance was starting and losing mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
The illuminati of it all is what I'm now invested
in because I want to know how they approached you
at what point, because you've been in that you've been
taking into the bowels of the building and been coached up.
Apparently I didn't know that there was an onboarding process,
So now I want to know how they approach you.

(05:42):
I want to know whether any ceremonies, what did you
have to.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Do to make it's not a sorority like that.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
It sounds like it. It sounds like.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
It sounds like you had a profight who was like
and shit, we don't.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Talking crazy or the internet.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
It should I'm really so, it's not like it ain't
it ain't like that.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Wait wait no, y'all go to church together, y'all do
Bible staying together, y'all read books together, y'all shot together, y'all.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Do holiday parties together.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
This is, by definition of my collegiate experience, a sorority,
and you are one.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Please, I need say.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think it's because I think it's because we find
community within each other because we don't have anyone else, right,
Like a lot of us rarely are from where we're living.
And these are people that we're seeing once maybe twice
a week, you know what I mean. Like you're hitting

(06:44):
them we have the group meet, you know, we're hitting
people up, like we need this. Who has you know,
a connect on this contact for this? Like you just
you just create like this community through the husbands.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Now more questions.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Does your husband have to get along with the other
husband in order for you to get along with the
wife of the other person?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think that with the with men though they all
get along.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
What that's true?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I think for the most part that they get along
on a stage they.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Like let's say, uh jayalhen Hurd's wife and his wide
receivers wives, right, is that you feel like.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
That's the thing is, like it's different because those are players.
We're coaches. Our husbands are.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, okay, there's would be like a little k a
or adult to what how would.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I think? It's just age immaturity.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So like they have to I'm sorry now, I'm really
I'm curious about how your interactions work because you obviously
would see the players girlfriends and wives.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
So then do they look at you as kind of
like a tree of wisdom? Are you at an elevated
place into some degree? Are you treated with a little
bit more reverence and respect?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I'm not married to Nick Saban, Like, come on, it
ain't that, And that's what I'm saying. I think on
the pros too, like see that. Okay, this is what's weird.
So obviously my husband played with some of the people
in his room that he now coaches. Some of them
are older than him, so we're like around the same age.
There are coaches obviously that are much older, but we

(08:34):
are not. I'm around the same age as a lot
of the women, Like they have been married longer, they
have kids, like they a little bit more established than
me in that regard understood. Yeah, so it makes the
dynamic like we're just even, but yeah we don't. Really.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
It breaks down how to be a proper way, but it's.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Working for It is important though, you know, for the
for the older people to kind of mentor the younger people.
But then I think also to you have to receive that.
You got to be willing to receive what they're saying
to you. And I think that some of these young
girls ain't willing to receive it because because why y'all,
let me not even get into how they dressing.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
You sound like Draymond Green or Matt Barnes or somebody
in the locker room talking about the young kids.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
They don't respect the elders any veteran leadership. This is
a this is an fascinating plot twist to this entire
day right now for me, and it's one that's gonna
sit on my heart in my mind because now I'm
really thinking about how different your life is from.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Most married women. This is a you live in a
different kind of bubble.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
I don't think so, because I think that everybody has okay, like, okay,
I watched Mariat to medicine, Right, it's very similar. If
you have a group of you know, husbands that are doctors.
Now the wives have that saying, it's very similar. It's
like I feel like with anything, like, you don't think so.

(10:12):
If you have some.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Actors, I've never been.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Mad at you, but I'm saying you or you're in
the acting space, you don't think that. If you have
like a group of male actors and then the wives
are friends because the males are friends.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Oh, I think in the entertainment business.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I think in any business, honestly, it is incredibly dangerous
for you to have too much interaction or had your
wife have too much interactions with other women, and respectfully
and lovingly, I just find that it creates a potential
for a negative situation to take place. And I'm all
about mitigating risks at this point in life, right, because

(10:47):
sometimes some people, certain groups of people, not all everybody,
but certain groups of people like to trauma bond. And
sometimes when people don't have an understanding of the protect
action of the relationship or the union, they begin to
divulge things and information. And I just find that the
best way to eliminate the potential for my work to

(11:10):
be impacted and effected it is to keep my personal
romantic relationship away from a professional environment.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I will say that in my circles, we're not doing that.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Oh, I know, that's what women do.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I was not trying to use the word women because
I was trying to be cute, But women be talking
to that much to each other about what's going on,
and you know, like, let's say your husband's having a bet.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
No, I'm just saying, we don't. It's kind of crazy
because we have a good relationship with each other, but
it's kind of surface, like we're not indulging what's happening
in our relationships. Do we say like, oh gosh, they
work such long hours and y'all lonely again, Like we
may joke like that, but we're not getting into details

(11:56):
of it.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Ain't like okay, So there's never like like, oh man,
the after a loss, he sure does drink a couple
few extra beers, and now everybody in the locker room
that your husband is a damn alcoholic And now you're
on the radar and those These.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Are the things that I don't I don't want to,
I don't want to happen have happened. So but again,
I'm not married from the looks of things, don't know
that I ever will be. So you know, it's fun
for me to hear.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
You're gonna be an old man one one day.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be on the shores of
Brazil with my chest out, and you know, we'll see
what happens.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
At some point, we got to put the chest up.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
I know you're not talking as often as you have
your classical out.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I feel like I'm very modest right.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Now because you're in the damn quarter zip.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
But you've been having shoulders and.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Neck bones out.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
You be doing you know what, You'll wrap this thing
on that.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Because we are way off course, you all, let us
know your thoughts on Dylan Gabriel's girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Do you feel like she should shut the hell up?

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Or do you feel like because she has all this
inside information, she's given.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Us the teeth And that's really what I want to hear.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Anyway, let us know your thoughts in the compet section.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
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Speaker 4 (13:16):
Bell you courdious, Hell, I can't believe you.
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