EPS 15 - Kid N Play welcome Cheryl "Salt" James of Salt-N-Pepa

Kid N Play welcome their longtime friend Cheryl "Salt" James of Salt-N-Pepa for a life update, discuss Rap now and share songs they wish they would have made. Follow, Like, Subscribe and Share @thefunhousepod #hiphop #podcast #kidnplay.  Watch full episodes of #thefunhousepodcast with Kid n Play on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@U1PN/podcasts, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or visit @urban1podcasts to learn more.  Follow us on IG: @thefunhousepod @KidFromKidnPlay @the_playgroundz @Jodi.Gomes See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
A podcast. You what? What? Where are we? What's good man?

(00:26):
How are you? I'm good? I'm good. I do believe
we have convened at this particular time to resume the
Funhouse Podcast. Myself being kid, yourself being played together. We
are a kid in play and we are here for
another exciting, scintillating episode of the Funhouse Podcast where we

(00:52):
discussed all things hip hop but culture how it's affected
by play. You're an expert in that field. I do
believe you're responsible for teaching young people how to appreciate
the culture. Would that be accurate? Really?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
The history, you know, just taking my passion something that
I believe God used to save my life, hip hop culture,
and just you know, letting them know the origin.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Of a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
For a lot of them, they are really surprised when
they hear the original music for stuff that they enjoy,
what we call samples and things of that nature. But
I wouldn't call myself an expert, but my passion energizes
me for it to know a little something something you know,
and it's only an extra benefit that we just happen
to be in the mix, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
But for you having more of.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
An open ear to the younger generation and hopeful future
classics that will add to the classics that we love
from the era in which we're from and celebrate and represent.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Keep my ears to the streets, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
And on that note, oh, we want to thank everybody
again for the love to support, all the comments, very positive,
all the love and putting us in the top twenty five.
Hopefully we've gotten a little better than that. But I mean,
I like what I'm here, and I like what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
What do you think? Yeah, top twenty five percent of
all Apple podcasts. But we got to give also get
a big shout out to Urban One. All streaming platforms Spotify, YouTube,
Please like and subscribe so that you can. We want
you to depend on us for our sometimes intelligent and

(02:42):
sometimes not as intelligent commentary on the culture. You know
a little little bit behind the scenes if if you've
just getting hit to the Funhouse podcast. Sometimes we lean
a little different way. As I stated, play is definitely
fond of the classic hip hop styles of artists. I

(03:06):
lean myself to the to the to the young'ins. Uh,
keep my videos on and try to see what they're doing.
And then then we bring it together, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And when we get rid of that word versus, we
make it the new school meetings that the old school.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
I don't like that term.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I call it classic, but they With all that being said,
you're ready to get into our songs plural because you
have one and I have one. Our songs of the day, like.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Today, you should always have a song today to kind
of get your day going. Whatever it may be, we're
gonna start. I'm gonna I'm gonna let everybody know my
my new school joint. I peat this the other day. Uh.
And I caught the video as well, and the song
is called Came Out a Beast, Came Out a Beast,

(03:57):
and it's actually the it's a new artist. Uh. And
I want to get her name right. It's flu J
flu J flu J Johnson, matter of fact. And not
only is she a rapper, she's actually a basketball player, uh,
with the LSU Tigers that actually won the national championship. Uh.

(04:17):
And on this particular song, came Out of Beast. Lil
Wayne is on the song as well. And I think
we'll probably talk about him a little bit later because
he's been in the news for things. He so I've
heard right, but I did see that. I did see
the video as well as listening to the song. Uh,
you know it's got that, it's got that down bottom,

(04:40):
got that New Orleans kind of vibe to it. Wayne's
spitting on it really really hard. It's produced by Kat
named a dollar Baby or who knows. I'm assuming it's
a dude. It just got released this summer, and I
think it's interesting that a top champion athlete like flu
J flu J Johnson, a champion athlete, is actually getting

(05:03):
out in this game of the rap game. And it
was tight. The video was tight. That actually had her
college coach, who's this white lady, a well known white
lady coach, Kim Mulky. She was all in the video
and when he was in there spitting. So yeah, that's
my new joint. I think it's worth before you go

(05:23):
any further.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think what I find so interesting about that because
you know, you and I, the circles in which we travel,
especially socializing, there's always been basically three elements at those
kind of functions. There'll be the entertainer, rappers, hip hop,
there'll be the athletes, and then there'll be ones of
questionable occupations, will put it that way, But how long

(05:44):
have we known of people in sports, Like there's always
been this saying that athletes, basketball players, football players always
want to be rappers, rappers or at least were one
time athletes. So I had a promising career, and then
the other element does with that other element does, But
no one, to my knowledge, and you could correct me
if I'm wrong, has been successful with that transition being

(06:07):
an athlete and have a successful recording career, rapping career.
So I mean the age of the woman, the agent woman,
The age of the woman is incredible because here's someone,
it sounds like, based on what you're telling me, who
is accomplishing that.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
You know. Yeah, well, she's very young. She's twenty. She's
still playing basketball at LSU. She's still, you know, a
competing basketball player. She's still on the team. She hasn't
graduated or moved to the w n b A yet.
But it is good on the mic. Is she doing
a thing on the No? No, very tight she was.

(06:42):
She was rhyming hard. She was rhyming very hard. The
beat was hard. No, she was dope, she was dope.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I oh no, we might have a first here, but
not only a very successful, accomplishing athlete on her way
to it as I hear, but having a promising recording career.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
You think back though, Shacking Jack had a pretty good
had a nice run, and that was when her as well. Yeah, Jack,
Jack got a few Shack got a few joints out there,
and then he was doing them joints with the fool
snakings and all that, and he had that you Can't
Stop the rain. He had a few joints.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Okay, well, well maybe I'll put him in my uh
my classic era column on one episode. But anyway, speaking
of the ladies, you know, my classic of the day
is our girl Sweet Tea.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know Queen's own.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
She had a joint call on the Smooth Tip that
was released in nineteen eighty eight producer by our friend,
our manager, our producer, mister Herbie Lovebug and the Invincibles.
You remember that joint. We had an appearance in that
in that music video. By the way, we were in
that video our post, our poster, our poster was on

(07:51):
the wall in the recording session.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah yeah, it was right, Rod, right, yeah, it was right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well you know Herbie joint. But yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
We we represented it.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
We had a presence via a graphics post on the
wall throughout that. Yeah that's Sweet Tea. Like I said
nineteen eighty eight Classic Joints. She's still out there doing
her things. So big, big up and big shout out
to uh the sweet Tea, a girl, no number love.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
That's what's up. Moving right along because unlike some other
episodes we have, we actually have a guest coming. So
we wanna werena, we want to, we want to. I
wish you'd cut that out. Man.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's like you give the impression if we have no gas,
nobody's returning, nobody's returning phone calls.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well we got we gotta return phone call.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
We get plenty of tur we get plenty of them.
It's just a matter of scheduling us being two guys
that are still out there on the road and you know,
all that good stuff. But yeah, yeah, yeah, we got to.
Like you said, we have.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
A guest, right all right, but before we do that,
we have our segment, say last or doing the most
But you got okay, Well this is this has been
the topic as of late, particularly amongst the the culture
of the hip hop community, and and I was I
was a bit survised, surprised. I'm a big football fan,

(09:16):
and it was recently announced that Kendrick Lamar, who's had
a huge year this year, it's going to be the
halftime entertainment, the Pepsi halftime show of of next year
Super Bowl or this season's super Bowl. And it was
a bit of a controversy because I think the super

(09:36):
Bowl being in New Orleans this season, everybody kind of thought,
or we're hoping that Lil Wayne and maybe that hole
on New Orleans contingent would be a part of the
you know, the extravaganza. Of course, of course, of course
on paper that that's what you would think, but that's

(09:57):
not the case. And you know, there's a lot of
speculation going around. You know, obviously people know that jay
Z is involved in that process. I don't know if
he's the only person responsible for it or makes the decision.
You know, Pepsi is the sponsor, so I'm sure they
have to say it. And NFL is the NFL, They're
the shield, they're the big dog, They're the ones that's

(10:20):
you know, between them and Pepsi. They're paying for all
of it, so I think and people have their opinions. Obviously,
nobody's had a bigger year than Kendrick Lamar, but Lil
Wayne is you know, turn around. He's twenty years plus
in the game, and he's from that region, very big
in that region. So I don't know. People people have

(10:40):
their thoughts on both sides. And people are hinting though,
as their beef between jay Z and Wayne. I've never
really heard that as a big thing before. I don't know,
what did you know this? I'll say two things.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think there's enough room for something special to still
happen because you're dealing with a lot of smart people
and organizations in this and everybody you know wants to
please the crowd, please please please the people. So maybe
there might be a surprise appearance, or maybe things might
get worked out. I would hope so. But one of
the things is interesting, this has come up because you know,

(11:17):
I'm a big YouTube person, and sometimes I go down
rabbit holes.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I don't wish to.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Go down, but things can be entertaining. And I came
across some footage of jay Z explaining I think he
was on the Breakfast Club or something like that. He
was explaining how he almost signed Lil Wayne oh yes,
So he was really close to signing him, but out
of respect for Baby that he had reached out to

(11:41):
him and told him, hey, we might be doing this,
and Baby didn't react in such a welcoming way, and
jay Z decided to fall back out of respect. So
that's the only history I'm aware of thinking that, you know,
it's you know, it's all good. Who knows what happened,
because that footage seemed like it happened well well a
long time ago, So who knows.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
And I'll say this, uh, you know, being a football
fan and kind of knowing the how they announced this,
this is they just had the first game of the
football season, right, you know, they just had it. I've
never I do not remember. I do not remember them
ever announcing who's gonna do a perform at halftime this early?

(12:25):
Did you see about halfway in the season, you know,
like you know, ushers come in or Riyanna.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
They make a big deal out of it to create
heavy anticipation.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean for them to do it the
first game just happened. Like I said, there's plenty of
room for some things to change. That's what I'm smelling.
That's what I'm trying to bring people together.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, who knows football game, but you're gonna bring
it together.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, there's a big build up and all of a
sudden pop out of the ground. Here's a little way
of performing with Kendrick. Lamar is a very brotherly brother.
You know what I'm saying. I believe it or not
in comparison or putting it beside his current hit, but
you know, he he he.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Loves his loves his brother in the culture.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
So who knows, you know that he might you know,
want to come up with an idea to say, let's
let's do something, you know, not let's there's some powers
that be that just ain't trying to hear it period.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
So we'll see, you know, right right right, it can
be resolved. And like I said, they announced it so early,
you know, there's there's plenty of time for a lot
of moves to be made and we'll see, we'll see
what happens. Yeah, let us know how you feel about this,
because people are, you know, people are conflicted. Some people
are like, wow, you know, Kendrick had this great year,
but Lil Wayne has put you know, has more experience

(13:45):
and maybe got more more joints that that people know.
So you know, let us know how you feel about that.
You want, well, well, how about us working on getting
another Super Bowl commercial. That's what my eyes is on. Oh,
that'd be great, No problem with that, April Grants.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
So anyway, with all that being said, I think it's
time for that very special time that that that we
look forward to, that we get together with friends in
the business. But there's a thing called family, you know,
And speaking of someone who has had a great who
has great years. Yeah, our person right now is half

(14:23):
of uh an incredible group.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
That you know.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
If it wasn't for them, I don't know if there'd
be a kid in play. So without further ado, ladies
and gentlemen, the one and only Sheryl Salt James.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
What's up girl? Look at her? You look? You look?
You look very cleopatra ish. That's what I was getting
ready to say. Where's the Game of Thrones thrown by?
Where are your pyramids?

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Very nineties? I still love the nineties.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh who are you telling?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Give me some eighties in there as well.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Give me oh yeah, eighties nineties. This generation is enamored
with the nineties.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
So yeah, yeah, thank god.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I remember when my kids were growing up, all they
they would they would really nag me to give them
like my old all our old gear from the nineties.
You know, it was a lot colorful and more fun.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yes, we had so much fun.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
A when you're gonna sign mine? When are you gonna sign?

Speaker 3 (15:37):
But last time I saw you, I would have signed it.
Send it to me.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
I didn't have it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I forgot because I'm in the midst of moving, so
I always have to cruss my fingers.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
And when I opened a box, what's in it? You know?
So I think that you listening? That was That was
the funko pop for people that are listening.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Oh yeah, the funk pop.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, the salt is here with with the KNTA, with
the kinta. So how are you and what how are you?
What's new? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I'm good, I'm good. I'm doing well.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I'm hearing LA and moved here about three years ago.
I've been seeing my boy kid. He's been hanging out.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I told you, I told you.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh, I just bought a house.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Did I tell you? I heard? I heard you bought
some land and you want to build a house.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, I built it.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's going to be finished in December, because I've been
here in a condo for the last three years trying
to decide if I want to stay here or not.
But then when I go back to New York, that weather,
I can't do it. I can't want you in this
La sunshine.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
For a while, every time, every time I saw you,
every time we came together, was I not lobbying for
l A. I was. I was always I was like
I felt like I was on the chamber of commerce.
I was like man or I was. I became anti
New York. I was, man, you don't want to go
back there? And you were, you know, slush out here.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
I love New York, but that traffic in that weather.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
And this is this is a different look. It's like
like when I came out here many years ago, it
was it was the right move for me at that time,
you know. And I think you're you know what I mean.
If it feels the vibe is you're at a different
stage and a different part of your life. And I
think sometimes a new environment, new experiences, I think sometimes

(17:36):
that's part of it. And that's what I was hoping.
I was hoping man I was like, please, don't go
back to New York. Stay here. And the more I
figured out the more the longer you stay, the more
the sun get on you, and it'll it would it
would turn you against New York. So it's something else.
I mean, I honestly felt like that when I first

(17:59):
started living out here here. The sun because we see
it every day out here. It really lifts your spirits
and it made it made me wonder like how did
we make it?

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
In New York you never saw Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
But anyway, because play is like all right, now on
the l A, where are you at?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Now?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
You're moving again, moving whatever makes y'all sleep well at night.
I'm all to convince yourselves. But anyway, I'm in Virginia now.
I am on my fourth HBCU working with Virginia State University.
So when I'm not when I'm not on the on
the on the stage with the k I D. I

(18:41):
turned back into Christopher Martin like, uh, Kwame once said, man,
you're like the Indiana Jones of hip hop.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You you do your adventures on the weekend and then
you're teaching, you know, in a university on the weekdays.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
So that's my spiel. That's my thing.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
You do wear a lot of hats.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Right, So you're so you're gonna make it permanent in
on the West Coast.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yes, permanent for now, okay, and.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Just just you know, just as before we get into it,
get into it. You know, I'm just curious and I
want our audience and viewers to know, like, you know what,
what what was behind that, because it's it's a big move,
no matter if you do it in the tweens or
later later in life, but you decided to do it,

(19:29):
and then you know what what what was? I don't
know what was the crucial moment when you're like, you
know what, I'm gonna make it permanent.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Well, you know, we've been coming to LA for over
well over thirty years. I remember our first trip to LA. Well,
you guys with us when we stayed at the Roosevelt
Hotel Yo, Los Angeles. We were walking on the Walk.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Of Fame and staying in this beautiful old hotel.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
I was like, from that moment with LA and you know,
we've always gone back and forth, and in my back
of my mind, I said, if I ever moved, that's
the only place I could see myself moving to and
then you know, I ended up divorced.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
I was I raised my kids in Long Island, grew up.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
In Brooklyn, started my career in Queens, and raised my
kids in Long Island. And then the divorce happened, unfortunately,
and the kids moved out, and then I was in
this house where I raised my kids, and it just
felt like I was living with ghosts, you know, because
I had weddings there, big Christmases, like it was so

(20:36):
much that happened in that house.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
And now I'm like here by myself. So I'm like, okay,
this might be the time I need to make a change.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
And I and I, you and I weren't too far
from each other because you were in I was in
scienced Long Island, and I was like about two three
exits away from you. We wanted a too few people
that did Long Island when everybody was doing Jersey and
all of that stuff and stuff. Yeah, so once you
ended up with an empty nest, what happened?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
So I just I felt really lonely in that house
and just it felt absurd.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
You know, some people try to hold on to homes,
and I think a home can kind of be an anchor.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
You know that keeps you stuck.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
And I loved my house, but I felt like I
needed to do something different, and so I just said,
this is the perfect time to try Los Angeles. So
I came and got a condo here, rented a condo,
and I'm like, Okay, I can't stay here too long.
And three years later I ended up purchasing a house.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I made my decision. But if I have a grandchild,
I'm going back to New York.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
So Pepa's in Vegas though, right.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yes, Pepper's in Vegas. She was out home for a
while too, but she lives in Vega.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yes, so mostth of.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Y'all did the West Coast thing. And yeah, your home
in Long Island was really lovely. I remember your recording
studio and it was very very beautiful, very very beautiful place.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
And uh, I've.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Always had a recording studio in my home.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So I think the future. Uh well, that's well, it's weird.
The three of us have all been divorced. So let's
can we please have a moment of silace.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
No, I'm making all the noise in the world for celebrations.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Jesus, Jesus. Divorces had hard.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Thing hard man.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
It's it's something I personally didn't want, but you know,
things are what they are, and it's like you learn
so much from that experience. I think it's very humbling,
and you know you, I mean, I don't know how
other men feel about it, but when you deal with
rejection and all kinds of stuff like that, you end
up going through you you change and perfully for the
better and be more sympathetic to others because a lot

(22:50):
of people go through that, you know, so.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
It changes you deeply.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Those were those were dark days.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yes, And it's funny that any did any of us
reach out for each other, to give each other hunts
and consoles like yeah, sometimes it's just between you and God.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
You know what I'm saying. I had shades drawn. I
wasn't coming out of the house. The bad part was there.
Some days you know you're going through it or whatever,
and and then I gotta go on go on stage
and tell jokes, talk about it. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
With me, I'm doing me.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I'm doing me. I'm doing gospel stage plays out there
on the chip lit circuit and stuff. But you know
what what I think, And you guys can can speak
to this as well. Eventually, you know, it gets better.
And a lot of times those performances and the audiences
they kind of help you get through it because they
like you, unlike a person that you're getting divorced from.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Actually like you. Well me, when it was time to
do a crying scene on stage, they didn't know I
was really crying.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
So you know, I mean that is the side of
being an artist that a lot of artists don't really
talk about. And you guys, y'all are super vulnerable, so
I'm glad we can have this type of conversation. But yeah,
I remember crying, like I would literally be crying before
I go on stage and I would have to pull

(24:24):
it together. And like you said, kid, it does help
because being on the road at that time, being busy
at that time, and being out there like performing for
your fans, it kind of gets you, helps get you
through it, opposed to just not being busy, you know,
and that love just like fills you up.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Oh yeah, no, it's something I experience, and I tell
other friends of mine, the many friends of mine that
going through a divorce, busy yourself, yes, yeah, whatever you're doing,
busy yourself. And luckily for all of us, you know,
we you know, we still had to we still had
shows to do, we still had commitments, we still had

(25:03):
television appearances and you know all the various things that
we all do, and that's kind of busy yourself. Then
you get the love and then it, you know, and
it gets better. I mean, I laugh about it now,
but those the as dark as those days were, it's
you know, I laugh now, and I know what I do.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I celebrate because there's certain things, certain songs that played,
certain things that went on around that time. There was
just it seemed like it added to the misery. But
now when you get any of those things today or
see them, I laugh. You know what I mean, I'm
praising God because there was light at the end of
the tunnel, and thank God it wasn't the train.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
You know what I'm saying. So it's you know, take
the top. Check this out. I got. I got a
story that speaks right to that. All right. So I'm
you know, my my ex wife and I were separated, right,
we were separated. So I move out and Bill more,
Who's who's you know, who's a good friend? He said, Yo,

(26:04):
until you figure out what it is you're gonna do
I have a guesthouse. You know, he's just this big
state and mansion. He says, I got a guest house.
So you know, just you know, you know, lay up there,
post up there until you figure out, you know, if
you're got to get back together or you're gonna break
up whatever whatever. You know. I end up being there
for for a few months and whatnot. But I remember

(26:24):
when I was kind of unloading my stuff, I was
looking at, you know, my CDs, and there was I
have my my my box and it was a Maxwell CD.
And I was looking at it and I was like,
whoa man that was? You know that Maxwell. You know,
I made a lot of love to this Maxwell. I
don't really think I'm I'm ready to listen to it now.
So it's almost like you know in the cartoons when

(26:47):
when the good good guy and the bad guy, he
pops in over your shoulder and the one guy was like, yeah, man,
play at Maxwell. Man you listened to Maxwell before that chick.
And the other guy was like, I don't think that's
a good idea. It's very early in the breakup. No, man,
you better play that play. So I put it in

(27:08):
and I played it as soon as I put it on.
No no, oh no, no no no.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
That thing, at.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Least yours was one made one way. Minees was totally
another because shortly as we're going through the divorce, she
is a deep story behind it, but I'll get edited.
She ends up doing a music video for Black Street
before I Let You Go with actor Omar and every

(27:42):
day like that song became.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
A big song and the music video.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
So here I am having to see my ex wife
in the arms of another man. Here's this song that
I was supposed to be in that video with her,
but some shady stuff went on. Enough said about that.
Fast forward to today. That song comes on, such a
big smile comes on my face because you know you've
been delivered. You're free from that bondage from that autist

(28:06):
or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
You can smile.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
You could even listen to the song now and sing
along with it or whatever. So it's just funny. Now
it's your turn.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, you have a song like that?

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, Well, you know, all when as we have aged,
when I realized is there's really no growth apart from suffering.
It's just when we're comfortable and we don't have a
challenge ahead of us or something to get past, because
there's so many things we learned from that situation, so
many things we learned about ourselves, you know. And for me,

(28:39):
it was a ring tone, like I used to get
calls with this ring tone. And then I also had
a gospel playlist because you know, I was I was
begging Jesus through the whole entire thing, like like really,
like Lord helped me, Like I've never felt this type
of pain before. I would wake up in the middle

(28:59):
of night because not only is it pain, it's anxiety
because you built this life with this person. I had
children with this person, the business with this person. It's
a community of people that are being like ripped apart.
It's affecting your children, it's affecting your health. And so yeah,
I had a ring tone that I can't listen to
to this day, even though I'm past it. That ring tone,

(29:22):
like I don't know, something vibrates inside of.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Me because I got it. I get it.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I get it like a trigger. It's like a trigger.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Trigger is so weird.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And believe it or not, viewers and listeners, this is
still the fun house.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
This is the funhouse with salt, like it's still the
fun out.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, we actually go we actually go there with the gay.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
You know, we renamed it. We renamed it. This week
this is the Sad House with getting play and salt.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
We might not we might not be able to tell
you what to do, but we could show them be
able to tell you what not to.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
This party is at the Sad House.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
In the Happy House.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Now that was before this is so anyway, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, no, I was gonna, I was gonna do a
quick pivot. I mean, I'm surely and so was I.
I appreciate and I appreciate everybody, you know, just kind
of sharing their uh their their previous uh, their previous misery.
You know. Uh, but I think you should. You should
probably do this, get into the history with this, with this,

(30:34):
with this, with this lady.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Well, the thing is, it's interesting because how did you
feel about y'all's uh bio movie biopic?

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Oh lord, y'all know, I'm gonna keep it real and
ask me questions.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
The reason why I bringing that up is because they
took creative license in regards to how the story was.
And I remember there's a part when I watched it
on the premiere night I guess we all did.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
And right off the bat when I'm.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Introduced your characters, telling the Pepper character, don't talk with
play he's a dog, you know what I'm saying, the
old best me anything.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
And I remember texting you going yo, and you was like, Yo,
it's not my fault, it's the director or whatever the
case may be.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It was hilarious. But with all of that being said, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, I couldn't argue it too much.
But what made it so interesting is if they took
creative licensing, a lot of editing, and people in places
that weren't really there. But it was such remembering that
time is so special because who whatever thought that any

(31:44):
of us that working at Sears Roebuck and everything we
was doing prior to that it was going to lead
to where we're at today and talking about the kind
of stuff that we talk about, who we know, what
we do and being a part of fame.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
What's your thoughts on the whole evolution and your journey.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean it's still kind of is wild to me.
You know, it is so surreal. It's like having an
out of body experience, you know, for me, to even
think that. You know, there's probably not too many countries
that don't know kidd and Play that don't know Salt
and Peppa and how did that happen?

Speaker 1 (32:21):
You know?

Speaker 4 (32:22):
But personally for me, when I became Salt and Peppa,
it was really something I desperately needed. And I was
graduating from high school, barely graduating from high school because
of some you know, issues I was having as a
as a teenager.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
And then the college because that's what you're supposed to do.
But I knew I.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Didn't belong there. I wasn't a school person, you know.
I'm the person that school ain't for everybody, you know.
So ended up meeting Herbie, meeting Sandy and you.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Know the whole story.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Serious Rops and you guys worked there, Martin, Lawrence Worke there,
Salt and Pepper worked there. Herbie, our producer, works there.
And when I got on the mic for the first time,
I just remember something really deeply changed inside of me
where I just knew that I knew that I knew
that this is what I was supposed to do. It

(33:16):
was more destiny for me than a career that I
was like pursuing. Because we all know, you know, once
Salt and Pepper started, we hit the ground running and
it was like just this train ride to success. And
I say, hip hop, I feel like it saved my
life in a sense that I would have been doing

(33:38):
something that I wasn't happy doing if it wasn't for
this didn't save my soul. Jesus saved my soul, but
it did save my life from I feel like it
would have just been it was nothing else I was
supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
That's how it felt.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
And then from there, you know, building a career with Herbie,
with Peppa, with you guys, it just became our life.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
It was our whole life, and it was fun. We
had a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, what's so interesting to me is, you know, yeah,
you can make a hit record, you could be in
some music videos and all of that. But what's interesting
to me is how now the word applies iconic, you
know what I'm saying in regards to the look, the style, dancing.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
All of that.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
That we ended up being the post of people for that.
And I think one of the things that resonates the most,
whether it be Kid and I whatever those combinations, would
be you and Pep spin with all of us. There's
a representation of friendship involved, you know. And it doesn't
mean we're perfect and we never have a day of issues.

(34:45):
But that's what even when we're talking about the divorce
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I've come to.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Realize that something she said a long time ago, I
forgot what it was in reference to. But what And
it's a cliche you hear quite a bit, but it
comes to life in you, in you, in your world.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, you know. And
I'm learning how to be praftly, a better friend, a
better human being.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
All of that.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Where sometimes you go through what we go through, you
could be very bitter, very cynical, you.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Know, and all of that.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
So you know, Yeah, where'd you disappear?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Disappear? Two K I did? Somebody knocked on my door? Man,
I had to go check and see what's going on.
You had to do him a favor and let the
let him in. I didn't. Yeah, I don't know. It's
you know, I'm sterile. You're out here. It's it's been
hot as hell these last few days.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
So yeah, I have been I haven't.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
I haven't gone out during that heat wave. I seed it,
but play when you were asking about the movie. You know,
making a movie about your life, like you said, the
creative license, it can be a challenge because you know,
you have to hand over your story to the directors.
You can't get all in. You know, some things you

(35:57):
really want in here you can't get in. Something is
they gotta cram into one scene to tell a story,
you know, really fast.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
But overall, I feel like.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Lifetime did a good job, you know, and at least
telling the story of Salt and Peppa, like chronologically how
we got. But I feel like there's a deeper story
to tell, you know, even with you guys, Like the
whole Maker's situation is incredible. How Herbie you know, started
idol Makers and all the like people say he was

(36:28):
the first ditty, you know, he was the first bad item.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Makers was the first bad boy.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
And I when we were doing it, we didn't we
weren't cognizant of We were just like one foot in
front of the other, like we know we're supposed to
be here, you know, so let's do what we gotta do.
And the way that we interacted with each other in
the studio, with each other in each other's videos, you know,
all of that I look back on it now and

(36:53):
I'm like, that was pretty incredible, and that is an
incredible story that hasn't been told yet.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
The idol maker her story.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
So yeah, that's something Herbie.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I was just with Herbie not too long ago in
the d R and we would talk and we always
talk about that and the fact of how, you know,
the idea we would brainstorm it is that, yes, you
have the overall umbre or what everybody knows in regards
to the successful movies and music and music videos and
all of that, but everybody has their incredible journeys that

(37:23):
led to that place.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
You know that isn't boring.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
They're quite exciting and quite interesting to say the least.
And it all brought us to that particular place.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
But what's what's good for you? Now?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
You have a glow about you, you have a.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah you do you know you gotta.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
We just was celebrating Wiz's happy wedding to uh Wiz
and his beautiful bride. But you know, we were all
at the wedding and I know you went to kids
birthday party and stuff. So every time when I peeked
my head up into social media, I'm.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Like, Okay, all right, all right, wait, I heard a rumor.
I heard rumor. Oh lord, I heard a rumor, and
I want to put it out there. Okay, I heard
it the streets, like play likes to say, the streets
and talking the streets. Been listen to how you introduced it.
You said, I got a rumor that I want to
put out there. I said that completely wrong. I apologize, No,

(38:19):
I've got I don't know the theory or or just
the something. I heard something I heard on the street
that that you, Sheryl Sault James, were instrumental or you
were a proponent, you were a a supporter of our

(38:40):
our DJ DJ Whiz DJ Wiz from back in the
days of his getting getting married. I heard, I heard
you were in full support. Would that be accurate? Thank you, kid,
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (38:53):
I mean, I mean, man, it's like I'm giving him
inside information to encourage him that love that here he
is putting it ain't the streets he heard it from.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Its me heard it from. But go ahead, Well he
was standing in the street at the time.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Okay, So yeah, I got to talk into Missus Eastman,
Missus Eastman at your your party, kid, Actually, oh.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
So that's what I told you it's a six degrees
of separation here. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
So anyway, we got into a deep conversation. I had
seen her a few times, so, you know, in Cheryl
fashion sometimes, you know, I just like zooming in on people,
and sure I was sheriffing that night, and I was
just basically like, you know, you're such a beautiful girl,
and you and Risbon, you know, together for a really

(39:55):
long time, and like, why are you guys married?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
You know?

Speaker 4 (40:00):
And she started talking to me and I was basically
I wasn't trying to push them to get married, because
everybody should know when for their adults, you know what
I'm saying. But I knew she wanted to be married
and she wanted to have a children, And I'm like, well,
what are you guys waiting for? Basically is how I
remember it.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
She told it in a different way.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I have it.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I have it on video a better fact. But yes,
look at what you done? Did you know? But how
about this? How about this just the concept of look,
because guess what, I don't think any of us are
are against love and you know, being being with someone
even though even though it didn't work previously for us.

(40:43):
I'm so I'm saying, I mean, to me, that's an
interesting vibe, you know what I mean, because even though
we you know, we're you're not down on love, is
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Absolutely accurate.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah, and they're both Christian, you know what I mean.
And I know that she wanted to be married, and
no one whiz. I figured, you know, here's the thing.
We can hold each other up for a long time,
whether you're married or not.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Are you committed?

Speaker 4 (41:11):
You know, we don't have a lot of time to
play around. And I felt like she's just a young, vibrant,
beautiful woman. And I advocate for women standing up for
what they want. And if this is not you know it,
then you can't waste a lot of years. I was
married for a long time, you know, to basically a

(41:32):
person that I probably shouldn't have been married to. And
him as well, we weren't equally yoked, and we like
dragged out this relationship.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Even when we broke up. It was a four year
breakup then a four year divorced. So when I see.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Women like staggered, you know, I just like to say, girl,
you gotta advocate for yourself because you don't have a
lot of time.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Well, it was a beautiful ceremony and I was honored,
and because he proposed to her in the DR and
it was a pretty big surprise. So everything worked out
and it's working out really really well.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
They called me one day and they thanked me because
they said they wouldn't have done it, and they're so happy,
and I hope it lasts.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
They're good.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
They're they're good. But in a very poor segue, you know,
we got to ask you the question probably everyone asked
as they ask us, getting back into what the show
was based on, and it being show wouldn't be here
if it wasn't for the culture. What do you think
about hip hop and hip hop today? And yo, let

(42:35):
me put a double question and your contribution to it.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
So, honestly, I don't really listen to music. I'll be
lying if I said, you know, I even listen to
hip hop.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
He said, no, no, no, no, me too.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I mean, like right here, I hear you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
I mean I feel like it's like the pendulum has
swung really far in one direction and it needs balance.
From what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing. I think
the way it started, the way we started, you know,
it didn't we're not. We're in a place where I
feel like it's just gone to an extreme right because

(43:15):
we had Missy Elliott, the innovator when it comes to women.
We had Little Kim, she was the sexy one that
was outspoken about her sexuality. We had Salt and Peppa,
we bought fun fashion and femininity.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
We had Lauren Hill, you know.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Who was the consciousness of hip hop. Then we had
Queen Latifa, who was the you and I t y
you were Queen. And now it just feels very one sided.
And I would love to see the doors being open
for women who have a variety of things to say
and contribute.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
And that's how I feel about it.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, sometimes it reminds me of our friend and pastor,
doctor A al Bernard, the quote that he once said,
when you take a truth to an extreme becomes error,
you know. And yes, we had we're a very honored
to have Roxne Chantey and she was sharing with us
the viewpoint of those that we may judge, but you
just never know what they've gone through in their life

(44:13):
prior to having this opportunity to have the stage and
to get attention. But that's just one person's witness and journey.
There's so many other you know, diversity in regards to
people where they come from. Not everybody came from a
broken home, and some people have, but you know, to
have that opportunity to tell them stories.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Yeah, and also there is an agenda, like the fact
that this particular kind of rap is being the one
that is highlighted and pushed and celebrated.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
That there.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
To me, it seems like there's something behind that. Whether
we're talking about over sexualized or whether we're talking about
violence and hip hop, it's just has to be something
behind it. And as a spiritual person, I see it
from a spiritual perspective as well.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, I say this all the time. I tell this
story all the time. When you know, when I'm in
a you know, when I'm in a bar arguing about
hip hop, you know, I'll always hold up Salt and
Pepper as this as the paragon of female uh, you know,
female hip hop and and and comparing it to to

(45:30):
the ladies of today who are rhyme skill wise and
you know, cadence wise, they're they're very talented. I think
what we're talking about is the is the content. Yeah,
it's the content. And I would always say, well, how
come how come Soult and Pepper were uh, fully clothed

(45:52):
but very very feminine, very sexy, and they had lines
like we just met. We can't do that yet, we
can't do that yet. It's not I'm busted, I'm busting
but anything bust it, but bust it, but it busted.
We can't do that yet.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Mm hmmm, yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I mean we were talking from a perspective of, you know,
who we were, right and so it was our music
obviously was a reflection of what we felt who we were,
you know, and it was always important to us to
uplift women not only to be strong and independent, but

(46:37):
to be feminine, to be yourself and so on and
so forth. And I just think about the children, right,
the kids that are being raised by this generation of
hip hop, and how it is so one sided.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
It kind of like I just.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Feel for young ladies because I feel like a woman
needs to a girl needs to grow up knowing I
raised a daughter. She needs to grow up knowing that
she is more than what she physically has to offer.
You know, a man, you are more than your sexuality.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Well, I have a question I've been wanting to ask
all our guests, and for some reason I forgot to ask.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
So I'm gonna start now with you, aside from your
own catalog of music out there, what song by any
other artists you wish you would have made?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Wow, you guys start first, because you know song I
wish I would have made.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
That's a that's a good question. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
That's what I want to start asking you, and I
I asked that question of you before in one of
our early episodes. And there's many I could think of,
but the one that always comes to mind quickly is
hip hop hoay oh the anthem because as an anthem,
and I always felt that song could even go further
than it's gone, which has done great. But something about

(48:00):
that song that to me is like an official hip
hop joint, is uplifting.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
It's dope.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
And there's others out there, but that's the one that
comes quickly to mind.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
It I've got I've got one that There's probably a
few of them, but but I've thought of this before.
I wish I wish we had done, or wish I'd
written or performed Will Smith's Summertime. It's never going to die. Yeah,

(48:30):
He's never going to die, you know what I mean,
like they'll be here long after we're all gone, and
just I mean, and it was it was, you know,
I'm sure you know y'all remember it was kind of
out of character the way he rhymed. He was he was.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I know, I thought this that he was trying to
sound like rock Ki he was a long time. And
then recently when he did one of the fifty anniversary
Hip Hop anniversary things they have him. I think he
put it up on his own channel where he admits that.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
He did do that.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You know, it did sound like you know, and by
the way, we all.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Are influenced by someone's style, cadence whatever, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
But when I asked you that Cheryl, it doesn't have
to be just other another female artists. Any rap song,
you know, Okay, you.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Know, okay, So let me just say a song it's
not a rap song. But speaking of anthems, I personally
think the best female anthem overall, and I think it's
been slept on as Sunshine Anderson's heard it all before.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Oh I remember that join that song.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
It was out one night performing that song for her
be Basically.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
That's my gym, right you will.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Your head.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Visit street. Oh man, that's all gets me.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
That's that's what's great about good music and when it's
able to speak for you, and they just hit the
nail on the head.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Of that nature. So what's next? What's up the road
now for your girl?

Speaker 4 (50:18):
You know, I've been really into this vegetarian vegan cooking thing,
like I'm discovering something that I really really like. So
hopefully that will lead to possibly, you know, a cooking show.
I think a salt and pepper cooking show would be amazing.
I'm taking a break from the road. I've been home

(50:38):
for for a while because you know, it gets really,
really really hard to be on that road. So I'm
waiting for a grandchild. My daughter has been married seven
years and I'm just like, come on, girl, give me that.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Baby right here, right here, right there.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
We see that until they become two bunchies said okay,
time take your baby.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Hold down, you gotta you gotta catch the baby, like
on Martin when he caught the baby and the baby.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Give me that baby, give me that dog on baby.
So hopefully that'll happen soon.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
And then I'm always working on music like I've been
in the studio. Obviously, music is not a way to
make money. I'm already famous, so I ain't trying to,
you know, get more famous. But it's I've always wanted
to try and express myself through through songs on my own,
and so that's something that I've been I got to

(51:33):
send you some stuff, both of y'all send it to you.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I love the piece you did with the light really nice.
That was really good.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
So I enjoy the creative process. I enjoy the studio.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I enjoy producing and writing, putting videos together, like that's
my thing.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
So after the Earth, well, I think some people would
be interested in this. Do you have a favorite kid
and play story? Since we've done so much stuff together,
anything that comes to mind?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Cadn't play story, favorite play.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
I mean our my favorite kidden play times. I don't
have a specific story. Was just being on the road
together and sharing a bus, like it was so much fun,
It was so much family. It was just so many laughs,
and like, oh, my favorite kid my funniest kidding play
story is when we tried to combine our show.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, oh man, go ahead, no, no, you know what.
It was a great idea, it was I think we
even executed it pretty good. I think it was just
ahead of its.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Time, and the song itself and the.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Like that all the time now those freestyles, yeah, but
they didn't expect that back then.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
So for the audience.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
When we did a cab it was it a Caribbean
tour together, and we decided that we were not gonna
just do our set so on Peppa set, cann't play
set that we were gonna make the songs you know,
go around like they come on, we go up, they
come on, we go off. And there was some idea
we had that because we thought it was funny because

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Peppa is.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Known to be kind of brolic, you know what I mean,
So y'all.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
Used to call her the Bruiser and she was gonna
we were doing a slow song and we're like slow dancing,
I'm dancing with kid and Pepa dancing would play and
then we were like, you know.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
What funny if pad.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
That was like crickets, yo, nobody got it.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
It was like, okay, what do we do with this? Know?
The funniest part. The funniest part was so you know,
she's got she's got played in her arms and then
then he just he just.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
My head into the crook of her neck and stuff,
oh so tenderly.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
The crowd was like, what the fuck.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
But see, that's Creed. That's how you create. It's a
here and this, you know. I remember we did two shows.
I think we did two shows. I think we did
like Detroit and d C. And after the DC show,
it was like, all.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Right, album album album sales are dropping, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
To do to try something new like Detroit, Hard Hard Cities.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
It's so funny how credit isn't given where credits do.
But people just don't know the history because when I
hear people announced this is the first rap show or
the first resident in Vegas, I'm.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Like, no, it's not.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
You know, it's like here we are at the at
the Paris Casino and hotel, and it's like you see
all these other people. So even with that, we were
the first ones doing that mixed type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
But it's all good works.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
The mixed works now.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Yeah it works now. Like I said, we were ahead
of our time. We were ahead of our time. Cheryl,
we love you.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Like I said before bringing you on, I don't know,
you know, God used y'all as a very very important,
intricate part of kidd and Play success. Some people consider
us either the Sultan Pepper, the male version of Salt
and Pepper, or vice versa. But publicly I just one
on behalf of Kid and I and he could chime
in on this. Thank you so very much, so so

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very much.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
We're we're Yeah, we're woven together. Uh, you know, in
real life and in the public's mind as well. And
you know I agree with Play. We wouldn't. We would
not have made it without uh, without your support, without
y'all allowing us to open up for y'all and dancing
y'all videos and you know, like you said that early

(56:00):
camaraderie and stay on your bus. We couldn't. We didn't
have no bus. We're on your bus watching Devil Doll
from Hell so so you know what I mean. Hell
so yeah, yeah, we we we couldn't. We couldn't agree
more on that, and uh and you know what the
great part is that we're all still here. And I

(56:21):
think I can speak for Play on this. H on
this regard that you know you're you're, it seems like
you're you're you're in a different phase of your life,
a very bright light, uh, interesting, exciting, slash scary new
new plateau in your life. I know you're going to

(56:42):
hit it hard, and you know, people wait, and I
know I'm going to tell people. I know that your
I g is the only salt because I follow it
every day. D A only salt, right, the only salt.
And they can check you out doing all these vegan
meals which you look DESI but I will never eat.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Okay it you love it?

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Okay, Let me give you guys your flowers too. Thank
you so much for everything you contributed to Salt and
Pepper's career. For singing on let's talk about sex. People
don't know a lot of people don't know that that's
you kid, you know, being in the studio and helping
us with our creative process and play for your drawings,
for creating the Salt and pep designing the Salt and

(57:28):
Pepper jacket. You know, there's a lot of things that
you guys have also contributed to us, even the logo design.
Like we are truly a family when it came to
creating and supporting each other together. So thank you so
much also.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
And give your family our best. And you know I'm
praying for Dad and all of that giving that I
love you.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Love you too. Proud of y'all. This is a good Showay.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yes, hey how about that? How about that? Now? That
was that was? That was a pretty good interview. Man.
We wait. The monny part is we start talking about everything,
but like music and hip hop, we can talk talking
about getting divorced and well that's what that's what friends

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do with the barbecue. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I remember, that's the conversation I used to have. God
bless his soul, heavy d all the time in regards
to us getting to a place that we work because
we want to work now because we have to work.
And when we all come together we talk about things
that we've all gone through and celebrate life.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
So that's what's up, you know. So our girl.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
We we'll get Sandy on here soon. We'll get pep
On here soon as well, you know, no doubt, no doubt.
So anyway, should I go with the playlist? What do
I have for the playlist?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I do believe it is time for another segment that
the streets cannot stop talking about. It's the playlist. Tell them,
tell them about the playlist.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Well, what the playlist is? Me? Being an aspiring cinematographer, director,
just to content creator. In regards to film, especially documentaries,
I always am inspired. I try and find ways to
be aspired from the works of others, mostly documentaries, and
I have a great one for this episode, and it's
called eighty Blocks from Tiffany's. This documentary is crazy, and

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it's like, when you see the title, you're like, Okay,
what's that all about?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
What is eighty blocks? What's going on? Eighty blocks from
Tiffany's And what's going on in Tiffany's a.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Very well known store with a lot of expensive jewelry,
kind of place that girls wish.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
You bring, women bring you to to.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
That's where you're going to get their engagement ring or
wedding ring or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
But anyway, the.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Film captures the South Bronx during an era that rarely
rarely captured on film. It also captures New York City
just before the event of hip hop, the devastating effect
of the crap crack epidemic, and before the lifiation of
gang gun violence. Originally filmed for NBC, the film never

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made it to air, and instead was released on VHS
as an educational video. Over time, the film gained a
cold following and was reissued on DVD in twenty ten.
Eighty Blocks from Tiffany documents the lives of gang members
in the Grand Grand Concourse area of the South Bronx
between one hundred and sixty seven and one hundred and

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seventieth Street. The film focuses primarily on the members of
two gangs, the Savage Skulls and the Savage Nomads. I
remember them well and in that area with the high
level of crime and urban decay. The film also deals
with many social issues affecting the area and its residents,
such as poverty, team pregnancy, drug and alcohol abuse, and illiteracy.

(01:00:50):
So it's an amazing film because how can something is
so close and proximally to a place, a brick and
mortar place that represents wealth and success, and just short
of eighty blocks away, here's all this mayhem and craziness
and and things that took place during the Crack era.
I do remember the gang situation even though we went Queens. Yeah,

(01:01:14):
even though we were in Queens Queens Bronx. Other Burroughs
did have there what you would call chapters of those
gangs that would rule the streets.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
One of them gangs. You know, I was young.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I was too young at the time when they were
popular and it was a thing. There's another documentary I
want to introduce in regards to the birth of the gangs,
the Bloods of the Crips out of Compton in LA.
I'll get into that on another show. But I looked
up to them. I looked up to them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
You remember our dude that was on the road with
us and we took grave Digger was he was part
of one of those gangs. He had a gentleman by
name of Spade, and quite a bit. I won't name
any names because I have to put allegedly in front
of it, but yeah, that was. I looked up to
them at the time, but I was too young to
uh to engage, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I waited to get into my own thing later in life, right,
I got plenty of time to break the law. Yeah,
exactly and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
So I highly recommend, I highly recommend check out eighty
blocks from Tiffany's. It's it's an extraordinary piece, really really good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
All right, I repeat that, repeat that, what man? Yeah, well,
we moved right along. It's it's the it's another uh,
it's another segment that that the streets on the hallways
are talking about this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, man, I got that mail coming in. I'm gonna
bring I'm gonna show you one day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
The cultes sacts really are talking about my segment called
just kidding. Uh, you know, we just look at you know,
some things that are going on and uh, you know,
get tossing back and forth and then uh and hopefully
get your your opinion as well. Recently, uh, the rapper
singer Tory Lanes, Tory Lanes who was in prison at

(01:03:02):
this moment for shooting Megan Stallion in the food Yeah,
that didn't that didn't go so well. But recently he's
gotten in trouble because apparently he smuggled in some recording equipment.
He's been making music within the prison and I was

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checking that out. Apparently they called his prison tapes air
quotes prison tapes, a prison tape series, and he's reportedly
trying to sell it and move it to acquire royalties,
to acquire money to appeal his case. Well, he got busted.
He got busted at this particular prison. I think it's

(01:03:49):
like it's like it's it's it's northern California or you know,
it's more North than Los Angeles where I'm at. Uh,
you can't do that, you know what I mean, Like,
you can't. This is simple. It's as simple as that.
You can't do that. Yeah, apparently apparently you can't have
a studio in your cell. But it brings to mind

(01:04:12):
some of the questions, like how did you acquire that
that equipment? I mean, I know, the equipment is quite
advanced these days. It's not like you need like a
big board or whatever, like you get on the phone.
People have done great things on their phone, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and so yeah, So I'd be interested to find out
the means by which he got this stuff up in there.

(01:04:34):
Interesting and then also too, to your point, he's not
the only rapper that has tried to record behind bars
a slick Rick Shine Lil Wayne was in Rikers. I
heard Intelligension the other day, Kodak Black. It's been done.
If you are viewers and listeners out there have a

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favorite prison recorded, prison recorded album, how about this? It'd
be like, you know what I'm saying, you call the
album I Won't be Home for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, that's like it's interesting because you know, you could
get away with what you could get away with. I
guess with the right connections, you know, with certain people
who work in the system that may be a fan
of yours and they want to see you keep making music,
so they'll look out and look the other way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Who knows, you know, Yeah, yeah, no, I heard I
heard Wayne on television the other day talking about it,
because they asked me, yo, you recording it Rankers. He said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and he said we do it like late at night,
you know, when the other inmates were sleeping, And he
said the CEOs used to help him out because if
somebody was making noise, the would shooting. Like hey, you

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know Wayne recording. So yeah, you're right, You're right. You're
gonna need the help of the powers that be. But
you know that can always happen. There's lots of stuff
that goes on in prison.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It So with all that being said, as we come
to a close, let's ask each other that question, what
did we learn today from our own podcast here on
the Funhouse? And that's a good question because I can't
I can't think of too much aside from maybe what
you just shared. I you know the fact that Tory
Lanez is in the situation that he's in right now.

(01:06:24):
I didn't know about that. And where there's a will,
there's a way, I guess, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Guess so, but he gonna have to do it another way,
you know what, I guess. I learned that we can
we can do interviews with the guests that raren't that
barely talk about the music or the business, and we
can talk about life and the things that that we
experience and that we go through. Once again, big shout

(01:06:51):
out to Cheryl Saul James for joining us on the program.
So yeah, yeah, that was that's what I learned. I
learned that our show is growing, the podcast is growing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
That's a good thing. And we want to thank those
that are behind the scenes. Co executive producer Jody Gomez,
Tristan good looking.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
At your birthday. Happy birthday, Tristan.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yeah, happy birthday or dude, and also you know, just
everybody behind the scenes. We just think and big up
to Urban One and all of the platforms that you
can watch and listen to our podcasts. And we're having
fun with this and there's there's more to come. Some
good war to come as well. So you have the

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funhouse peace. It's a podcast available on all streaming podcast platforms.