October 1, 2024 • 54 mins
Kid N Play welcome Rap Pioneer and Founder - Master Gee of Sugarhill Gang and discuss his current tours, The National Hip Hop Museum in D.C. & his take on Rap today. Follow, Like, Subscribe and Share @thefunhousepod #hiphop #podcast #kidnplay. Watch full episodes of #thefunhousepodcast with Kid n Play on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@U1PN/podcasts, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or visit @urban1podcasts to learn more. Follow us on IG: @thefunhousepod @KidFromKidnPlay @the_playgroundz @Jodi.Gomes See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's a podcast. Does your boy play?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, this is kid, I'm trying to do the whatever
whatever dance.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I was trying to do this kid together, we are
getting play Welcome to the Funhouse. Hey man, I'm excited
about this episode, are you? I am the really am
because you know, because we get a lot of mail
and people anticipate what the next was with or without guests,
so you just never know what's going to happen at
(00:40):
the Funhouse.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Right and I think if, if if memory serves correctly,
that we actually do have a guest today.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, now that you didn't gave that surprise away.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But okay, somebody returned our calls. Okay, sometimes they don't
return on calls.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
They returned mine. But all of that, with all of
that being said, Welcome to the Funhouse. I'm with my
brother the k I d Hey, this is another exciting episode.
But before we go any further, Kid, explain to them
what the Funhouse, the nucleus of it is all about.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, for those of you that that are just joining us,
maybe for the first or first time or so, you know,
the Funhouse we can play celebrates hip hop, we celebrate
the culture, we celebrate the music. We celebrate the vibe,
we celebrate the fashion. You know, we have particular leanings.
(01:35):
Play lends himself and lends his ear to more of
the classic vibe of hip hop, which is great, which
is the foundation, which is what we all love. I
try to keep my ear to the ground, as it were,
for our new artists, the ones that are going to
carry the torch, as Play likes to say, maybe the
(01:56):
future classic and classic artists of years to come.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We got to give hope a chance, give a chance.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I believe the children our future type stuff. So and
I think when we combine that, then I think we're
we're serving the culture. So what we do, party baby,
one big party, one big house party if you will
never heard of right. So what we usually like to
do is we like to get off the ground with
(02:28):
our music choices, to kind of set the tone, to
let you know what we're thinking. Please feel free to
you know, jump on on Apple Music or whatever wherever
you get your music from, Spotify, all these platforms carry
carry the fun house. We like to start with our
particular songs.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How else do you how else do you have a
party unless you have great music? You know what I'm
saying we have great music music. So we started off
with the old school meeting the new school. You know,
you pick a favorite of for this episode. I pick
a favorite for this episode, and yo, what else better
(03:08):
than pump It Up by Joe Budden?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I mean, well, you know what, I'll say this, it's
dope pump it Up as adult record.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But you know what it's like, I will say this.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know, a guy like Joe Budden can kind of
get caught in in that in that middle ground. Like
he's obviously he's not a new artist, but he's not
like an old school artist.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
He didn't come from our era.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I was gonna go there, but I just and on
this one, I just felt when you deal with a
club bang up, it is a little deal with you know,
just a head bang up period. It's just that's just
a dope joint. So it's just I just wanted again
I'm getting I'm gonna be happy when we get to
the point where we could actually play at least clips
of the music that we choose pre episode. But it's
(03:55):
pump It Up by Joe Budden, produced by Just Blaze.
Just is a beast among producers. You know, his repertoire.
If I may say, his history, his catalog man is bananas.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Know that's for your point that that's definitely a club banger,
and I'll be honest, it was.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
It was such a.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Banger that, you know, we we kind of look forward
to hearing more Joe Budden music in the future. It
didn't go that way for a variety of different reasons.
But you know, the universe is the universe turns the
way it turns. And now, obviously Joe Budden is a force,
(04:43):
a major force to be reckoned with in this field.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But we let's go back a little bit though. I mean,
one of the greats definitely saw in him, felt the
same way we did, and put him with one of
what was considered one of the super groups that was
slaughter House, you know, and that producer and that person
who saw that and recognized him for what he is
along with the other members, it's Eminem, you know. So yeah,
(05:11):
I know exactly what you're saying and what you mean.
Some people wanted and expected more, but who knew that
he would be the beast that he is in the
field of media when it comes to news.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
He's definitely been a leader in that field.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, shout out to to uh to eminem Yeah, creating
a slaughterhouse Joe l Ortiz, Yep, what's.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
My man's name? What's my man's name?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You got you see, that's why they want to go
there because.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I so you got that web I didn't know. That
means we're covering it from the classic point of view,
want to place classics. I'm going new school as I
am uh inclined to do.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Okay, So the joint that I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Put forth, it's called Body and this is as a
collabo joints as a lot of the young cats do today.
They tend to collab with each other. That's that's what
they do.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
But this one is uh, this is a boogie with
the Hoodie featuring Cash Cobaine. Okay, seeing a lot of
on the videos these days. So it's a collabo abo
with the Hoodie featuring Cash Cobaine. The joint is called Bodies,
produced by Nico Brand Luca Beats and uh and cuts
(06:39):
and you know it was just it just slap. But
you know, lyrically, these are some of these youngins that
are doing anything. A bully with the hoodie Cash Cobaine,
cool name. I've been seeing like not just videos on them,
but interviews with them, and they all have these unique
(07:00):
and interesting stories about how they got in the business,
what they had to go through and get through and
get past and get beyond. So that's what I'm rocking
with today. So check it out, body, Hey, Boogie with
the Hoodie and Cash Cobaine.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's right on all your streaming platform to.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Check those out. And as you do with our other segments,
get get at us, let us know how you feel
and suggest you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, if you think our yeah, if our suggestions are
being let us stray, then.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Let us know.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, well, right now it's time for that that hot segment.
We got to get some other secreuse. When we first
came up with this show, I'm sure we had some
other segments and stuff, so we got to start introducing them.
But the favorite, you know, it's the chat right now
is say less or doing the most?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Say less or doing the most?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Now break down what though why it's called that, kid,
because we haven't explained that in a minute.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Right, Okay, so this is this is one of our segments.
Apparently that you say people are really writing letters about
and you know, inscribing stone tablets and things of that nature. No,
it's called say less or doing the most means either
we describe a particular situation or an event or their
(08:22):
currens and we ask the question, should they say less
or are they doing the most? You know, well, and
we can describe it within that particular situation. Okay, I
think what we're going with today is well.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well, before you go any further, so, doing the most
it doesn't necessarily have to be in a negative thing.
Doing the most can be something extremely positive. Correct.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It can be you you know, you can you can
have disgusted with someone saying.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know, you're you know, you're doing the most like.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Your extra like chill fall back, or or it can
to your point, it can be very positive and you're.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Like, ah, you doing the most.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You're you're you're excelling, you're exceeding expectations, you're pushing the
culture forward. So that's that's the difference. So yeah, so
it's says we're doing the most. Say less is just
like sit down, Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So this one right here, we have our dude uncle
Luke Skywalker. Yeah, Luke demands checks from Ice Spice, Sexy
Red and Megan This the Stallion says they wouldn't be
able to say the things they say without him. Wow.
(09:41):
Does he deserve the credit for paving the way or
is it due to female rappers that came before them?
What's your thoughts, caller? You say what?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I would say it is that that's a pretty ambitious claim,
but not not completely uh you know what I mean,
not not completely without merit.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
If we remember Luke Skywalker and the Two Live Crew,
you know, they were the kings of the booty music.
They were the kings of busting and open music. They talked,
they talked greasy over fast Southern beats and set the tone.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Fought in in court, federal court to.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Have that right.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Uh and and and actually it was a right that
the rest of US rappers, even the ones that weren't
doing that kind of music, were able to benefit from
because he gave us and ensured that we had that
kind of freedom. I don't know if you know he
trying to tax them right now. I don't know, if
I don't know if that really flies. Well, you can't,
(10:48):
you can't be you know, there's Mike does Michael Jordan's
should Michael Jordan pay doctor j because Doctor j used
to dunk first?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, Will Chamberlain thought, thought, so what anyway?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know if you
can make that connection.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You tell me, I don't know if it should manifest
into money, But I think it's a combination of all
of it. When you look at Little Kim, Foxy Brown, heck,
even Salt and Pepper, you know, they pushed the envelope.
They pushed, they pushed it. And the situation with Luke,
you know, did he have any female rappers, any rappers
(11:25):
that he featured on his label that you know could
be to have the kind of position that a Little
Kim and a Foxy Brown in them could have or
say or argue.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
You know that, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I think I think if I'm going on on the
information that we have, it's he's saying that I created
this environment that any rapper, male or female could talk
in this way, could speak in this way, could express
themselves in this way. Uh, you know, And and look,
(12:02):
Luke was responsible obviously for the two Life crew. But
if I if I'm not mistaken, didn't Trick Daddy come
out of his camp. I mean, Pitt Bull came out
of that camp. I don't remember any lady rappers to
to your point, But I think he's just saying that,
you know, I created this atmosphere that that that lady
(12:25):
rapper down the road could feel free to express themselves
and talk about busting it open every two seconds.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Boss said, Well, what I will say is, I think
it's an interesting question. I look forward to what our
listeners and viewers would have to say on the matter.
I think it's a very very interesting question of merits
an answer, you know, or some some some thoughts, some opinions,
or whatever the case may be. I mean, I think
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women deserve more than the whole thing of it just
being about their body and sexuality. It's more to it
to them and all of them than that. But you know,
we'll see. I look forward to what our viewers and listeners.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I mean, look, we want the ladies of our hip
hop kingdom and culture. We want them to have the
ability and the freedom to express themselves anyway they anyway
they like, you know, and if they feel like.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
They you know, whatever way they want to come at it.
Some Some come like.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
What I guess, I like what our guess Rox Stanshante said.
If you remember when we had her, it's when you
she got in real deep in regards to and please
go back and check out that episode everyone where she
was talking about you just never know the path of
the journey everyone has come from. It speaks on or
chooses to express themselves in the way they are and
before you're so quick to judge, you know, trying in
(13:51):
all that getting as it says in the Bible and
all that getting get understanding, so you know, it's a
much deeper situation. I mean, I never wanted us to
get into a situation of exploitation. But you know, it's
an interesting question. I think it's the hybrid or the
combination of more than just one. Because if you're looking
at it as them being vocal with it and rapping,
(14:15):
I'd lean more towards Little Kim and Foxy Brown and others.
Do I agree with it? Not necessarily so with facts
of facts. If you're looking at the expression through dance
and through body motion, I think that's more of on
the Luke side. You know what I'm saying, I don't know.
I'm willing to hear what people think and what they
(14:37):
know how appropriate is this next segment? Do we get
so much mail about it? I'm looking at piles of
it right now. It's called next on the mic. We
don't play around with words called legend, icon, pioneers, viar that.
You know what I'm saying. So we're just going to
bring on our next guests right now. We're honored ladies
and gentlemen of the One and Only Sugarhill Gang. Ladies
(14:58):
and gentlemen, mass to G.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
What's up, brothers? It is a G? You know what?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know what I've been curious about all these years?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Master G?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
What does the G stand for? That's a good that's
a good question. So my first name is guy. That's
my that's my birth or my birth certificate. Okay, And
I took the first initial of my of my name
and I put two e's behind it. So that's what
the G stands.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
For a guy.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, that takes care of that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's so simple yet so complex.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Wait, play wasn't he your name black back in the days,
was playboy mister C?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Because your name was Chris and.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Mister well at first it was mister C. Now what
was it? It wasn't Playboy. It was just called mister C. No,
it's Chris C because people would always use so see,
but people would say it too fast and I wasn't
going for that, so it'd be like Chrissy and I'm like, no,
(16:06):
we can't have that.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, not the name. You want to take the streets
over with, Princy.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So Master G, Yes, how are you doing? And what's new?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm always good. I'm thankful and grateful, and I'm busier
than I've been and I continue to get busy, and
that's because of all the wonderful things that we've been
given the opportunity to do.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
You know, we're like you guys.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
You know we're out on the road and you know
I'm doing I'm doing the thing with serious Xam'm one
forty one Master G Theater. We got the hip Hop
Museum down here and the DMV. That's where I'm at.
I'm headquartered out here in the DMV. So my partner
Jeremy Beaver and I we're doing the hip Hop Museum
down here in d C. And again, like I said,
(16:58):
and I'm talking to you guys, which is really exciting.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
This is this is really cool.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I have a question and I hope I articulated correctly,
because it's kind of an itch. It's like when you
first guys hit, when you guys first hit the scene. Yeah,
not a lot of people they would call credible MC's
whatever you want to call it. From the streets. We
weren't aware of you. And here's this record. It's like boom,
(17:25):
you know, uh sheikhs good times is the track, and
the record explodes. But one of the things that takes
place in hip hop culture, unfortunately, is competitiveness and who's
better and who's bigger, and who's got more and credibility
or whatever. So there was some question of like, who
(17:46):
are these guys, where did they come from? We never
heard of them before, and here you are fast forward
to today. Those are the only ones that would had
some skepticism, have some questions and all of that. They're
they She had the stage with you. You know what
I'm saying now going into names because their heroes of
all of ours. Yes, how does it feel in some
(18:08):
degree of what's the word vindication so to speak, to
be a good friends now staring the stage? Brothers, brothers,
you know where I'm getting at. Yes, how do feel?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
So? The thing about it is that.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
See what people didn't realize is I was raised in
the New York metropolitan area. I started DJing and rapping
in a place called Hackensack Teneck in Englewood, New Jersey.
That's where I started doing parties and Mike was doing
the same thing. So we had a little hip hop
scene going on over It's just that New York didn't
realize because in those days, New York and New Jersey
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was two different worlds.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Right of course, so the record blew up.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
They were first like where these guys came from. They
thought we came from nowhere, because again it wasn't the Internet,
and all this information that being passed around was just
like we weren't there, and boom, we showed up.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So what ended up happening is initially people didn't think
we were the real deal. Okay, but after multiple shows
and Eighth Wonder and Apache and you know, going overseas
and doing the things that we've done. You know, my
ability to perform in front of crowds, you know, my
(19:25):
fortunate ability to be able to build businesses and create
you know, situations for those very same people, you know,
the people that that I do business with We have
a really good system that was given to me through
knowledge and developing of businesses and things that I did
in the sabbatical that I took from the music. So
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that's where for me, the great gift is is the
fact that I was able to bring it all together
based on the things that I know, the things that
I've learned, and proving that I was worth people's respect.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's so awesome to watch because as I see you, know,
you and I have been in places together being amongst
people that I know. For me, I can't believe I'm
in the same room with them, I'm friends with them,
whatever the case may be. But to be to be
quiet enough in a room and to see you with them,
and then with you and y'all are doing shows with
Grandmaster Flash and if we're not Grandmaster Flash himself, but
(20:27):
I just say kudos and congratulations because you know, you
guys are pretty much. I'll never forget the documentary that
I'm going to put on my playlist one day. I
want my name back. I love that documentary. I don't
know if kids familiar with it, but I just wanted
to always ask that question, like how did that feel
without putting you on the spot now just feel you
know what I'm saying, because I see the commaraderie, the respect,
(20:49):
the friendship, and you're making money together and that's all.
You know what I'm saying. Kids, you got a question?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
And it plays on something that that masters G just
touched on. You mentioned the word sabbatical. Yes, as in
you took a break twenty years exactly, which.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Is that's been a little more than a sabbatical. Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'd like to know, and I think our viewers and
our listeners would like to know the reason.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
For that, for that break of time and the fact that.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
You know, you're very visible now and then there's something
that play and I appreciate because we get a chance
to see you and perform alongside you and altogether. But
to me, that was it felt like a very conscious decision.
It was why, why the why the why the getaway
and why they come back? Okay, So the getaway was
(21:54):
that I recorded rappers like.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
When I was seventeen.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Okay, so I was junior going to senior year in
high school. The first five years of my career as
an entertainer was meteoric. You know, there was no group
bigger than sugar Hill between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen
eighty five.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
During that time, my education for the music industry was
a trial and error situation. Once I got to a
point where the era couldn't be corrected, I decided that
I needed to reinvent myself. And the best thing for
(22:38):
me to do at that time nineteen eighty five was
to step away from the situation. Because again we have
to always put in context when it comes to Mikink
and myself, we are the first of our kind.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
We are the first successful rap group period.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I mean, so there was no you know, television shows,
there were no movies, there were no commercials, there were
All you did was you cut records and you toured.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
That's what you did.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So in nineteen eighty five, it got to the point
where it didn't seem like that was really working for us.
And I'm not the kind of person that takes defeat.
I don't accept it, I don't believe in it. And
so my decision was based on the fact that there
weren't pivotal opportunities for rappers at that point, and I
had also got really I had been awakened to the
(23:29):
superficialness of fame.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Fame is a.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Very weird thing, especially for me, because I was really
more of an introvert who can perform as opposed to
a person who was an autrovert that really likes to
be out and about. So with all that being said,
the best thing for me to do for my sanity
at that time was to step away. Now I didn't
know it was going to be twenty years that I
(23:53):
was going to be gone. What I ended up doing
is I went into the director door sales industry, and
I was mentored by some people that were really good
at teaching how to build businesses, and that's what I did.
So I went door to door, so books and magazines
for the first three years, and I learned the business
(24:14):
from the ground up. And then I started one sales
organization and I built it into another sales organization, and
eventually I had multiple sales organizations, a customer service company.
I had a house in Chicago, house in California, and
I ended up So what ended up happening is the.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Thing got bigger than me.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Now that I've been listening to something lately, and it
says that what your calling is will continue to call
you until you answered. During the time that I was gone,
everything that I tried to do to stifle this calling,
kept calling me, kept calling me, kept calling me, kept calling.
(24:54):
Long story short, at the end of two thousand and five,
my best friend in the world, still to this day,
is under Mike Michael Wright, and he made a decision
in two thousand and five not to do business with
the label, and we always have an agreement that if
he ever stepped away from the label, that whatever he
wanted to do, I would be willing to do it.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So literally a phone call from Mike to tell me
that he had some people that were interested in doing
something with him, but they wouldn't do it with him
unless I was involved. Is the reason why doing what
I'm doing today.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
By this time, and by this time Hank had passed.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
No, so Hank was still around and that was the
period we call that, you know, that's the war. That
was when we were at war because the company had
many years of me not being a part of the situation.
So they had free Reign at sugar Hill, Free Reign
at the Group, Free Reign at the group, free reign
at the group.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Once I stepped back into the particular right the name, right, the.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Name, how the person now, whatever they wanted to do
with the brand, they had free reign at that.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, there we go, that's the old Christians.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, so me partnering up with Wonder Mike rivaled what
the label was doing, and they were living they would
live it.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
They did not want that to happen.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So from two thousand and five until literally twenty sixteen,
we went through, you know, a very tumultuous time because,
like the documentary, we found out that we couldn't use
the name man that you know, the trademarks had been done,
and all these different things that happened in my absence
because at the time Hank and Mike weren't really savvy
(26:43):
enough to really delve into the detail. So when I
came back, I found this is this a battle with
the Robinson family pretty something of that nature. Yeah, was
Sylvia still around at that point. She was, but she
was not directly involved in it.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
You know, Sylvia, miss.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Robinson had really taken a back seat. Mister Robinson had passed.
Robinson had taken a back seat. So it was more
of a rivalry with the oldest son that that I
had because he wasn't really happy with the idea that
I came back to claim what was mine.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And so that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And but fortunately, and I and I say this with
great joy, you know, unfortunately Joey passed away. But yeah,
I was about to say that was Joey right, Yes,
Unfortunately he passed away and we weren't able to resolve
our differences before he passed, his brother Leland. His brother
Leland stepped in and that's where we we We we
(27:41):
felt we were stronger together than we were apart, you know,
once you get to a.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Point where you're grown and you know, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And the other thing was that they respected me for
going on my own and becoming successful and.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And you didn't need them. That's something that always takes
advantage of when they feel you need them, and they
take advantage of that. But on a lighter note, I
want to come back you said earlier, you said for
three years you did the door to door thing. Yes,
how do people feel when they opened their door? And
here's master g of the sugar Hill Gang, you know,
(28:15):
selling something? You know, how much did it take for
them to get for you to get past that with them,
so you could deal with the business in hand, the
reason why they're lotching on their door, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
So this is a great question, but again.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Most people ask questions based on your era where you
guys are on everything moving, television, commercial video this that.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
See my era, we were more audio or visual.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Got you.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
So a person would take things like, man, your voice
outs for me? Yeah, yeah, you know, I just got
one of them kind of voices. You know.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It wasn't like you guys can't walk down the street
without somebody saying, hey, that's kid, Hey, let's play. So
and we were working really fluent neighborhoods in places like
Overland Park, Kansas.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
So, yeah, that kind of thing. So I'm knocking on
the door in Overland Park, Kansas. You know, I got
a shirt and tie on, and I'm talking about I
came out there to better myself.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's going over their head.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Thing is the best place to hide is in playing sight.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
How in the world would.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Master g of the sugar Hill Game be in believe it,
I'm gonna believe it.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
It'd be the furthest and nobody.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Would would believe them if they said it.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I get away with that so much in regards to
don't make eye contact, and they always say your face look,
I said, yeah, I got one of those faces, right?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Do it all the time?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Moving Well, I don't have that luxury.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
No, I know you don't.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
But but how did you know?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Fast forward to today, how did becoming the executive director
of the DC Hip Hop Museum National Museum come about?
That's amazing. As far as glory to glory, that that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Appreciate it. I totally appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I'm talking about the things that's been going on since
your position.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Absolutely so. My dream was always to be a radio personality.
Frankie Crocker was a family friend of ours. My father
taught Frankie Crocker how to fly because I grew up
on Teeterborough Airport in New Jersey. My father flew planes
and private corporate jets, so that's that was my childhood.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
So him and Frankie knew each other.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Frankie wanted to fly, so Frankie used to come to
our house, and I wanted to be Frankie Crocker.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
That was what I wanted to do. I didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I had no idea about spinning records. I wanted to
do legend, totally New York icon music icon. So my
dream has always been that. So with all of his
success as recording artists, as I decided to make this
resurgent and emerge, I've been working to get a radio show.
So I met this guy here in d C that
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was doing internet radio. This is back in again eighteen sixteen,
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen and eighteen when it was still
called internet radio, you remember that, Yes, And he allowed
me to come on his internet radio station and do
a show I call Look, Listen and Learn with the
Master g. So it was a show match like the
(31:17):
podcast of now, and it's what I did.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
In the process of that, he had started a collection
of hip hop memorabilion and he was one of these
major hip hop heads. You know, we meet them all
over the place. He's the cats that grew up listening
to you, listening to me, you know. Now, they're the
movies and the shakers of the world.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And they got stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Yeah yeah, and hey they got stuff stuff yeah yeah yeah.
And so that's what happened. So we put this museum situation.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I was the first We were the first group there
that we inducted, did an induction ceremony, did a pop
up exhibit, and then just over time, you know, Jeremy
is his name again, over time we developed this really
great business relationship and then it was just like, man,
we really want you to be the executive director. And
I made that decision. That's the last one we did.
(32:13):
That was the one we did at the ri AA.
I made the decision to do it because I really
feel like it's part of my legacy.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I if we're the group that brought hip hop to
the world, then I feel like I should be the
group that preserves hip hop.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
For the world.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh excellent, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And you know, at this point in time, in terms
of the Sugar Hill Gang, you know, you are the
most visible, You're the most vocal. Yes, it was very
nice last year at the fiftieth and you know, during
the fiftieth anniversary of hip Hop, we all did the
big show at Radio City Music Hall in New York
(32:54):
at SO and I got to see uh, wonder, Mike,
who I hadn't seen, you know, hadn't seen a minute,
you know one you know, Mike is as on the
scene as you are, so to your point, it's it's
you know you you feel like you want to, you know,
keep hold of the mantle and you know, and you're
(33:14):
You're very vigorous, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You older than us, but you're the most vigorous. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Every time I do a show that you, I go
home and work out because I feel so bad. I'm
going to the gym when I'm doing with you.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I know you are.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I know you are going to the I know.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, well I ain't putting come keeping mine down.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Let me let me put you on the spot. Could
you name for our listeners in our viewers some of
your favorite hip hop artists?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Absolutely, Oh my god, absolutely yes.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Play first of.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
All the fact going no, no, no, let me say no.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Let me say something to you man. You got guys.
Even though I wasn't around physically, I was watching and
see people don't know this and and and now. The
whole time that I was going, I watched everything I saw.
I saw you guys with the house and play the
Kid's Play the Housewualey movies. I watched LL Blow Up,
I watched a cube my brother brought the ice Cube
(34:22):
album to me when he left nw A and went
on his own at first that No.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Vaciline and all.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
He brought that album to me and was like, Yo,
you got to listen to the I've been listening, paying
attention and watching. I never stopped, you know. So you guys,
I'm telling you the moves that were made in your
career is significant. So definitely, uh, you guys comment is
somebody that I really enjoy Uh of course you know
(34:50):
my generation uh uh uh Houdini man.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
My guy Ecstasy.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
He's one of my favorite MC's of all time. I
mean Wordsmith talking about phrasey boys. Yeah, so, I mean
moving forward. I really enjoy Kendrick Lamar. I was just
you know that song he does with Let's Talk About Love.
I love that song. I mean, so, Kendrick A. J.
(35:17):
Cole is somebody I enjoyed. You know, I enjoy everybody.
I hear it all because I'm part of it all,
you know what I mean. That's why you know a
lot of times that people say, you know to me
and I and I really it kind of gives that
cringe when people say, you know, they say.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Well, the music's not like it was. Hip hop is
not like it was when you started. And I say,
wait a minute. Stop.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
First of all, I'm never gonna piss on something that
I brought to the world, Like that's like just owning
your child, you know what I mean. I have three
beautiful children, and sometimes they drive me nuts. But then
my children, I don't care what happens. Then my kids,
I'm gonna love them and always love them first. And
the same thing goes for hip hop. You know what
I mean, good battery different, this is I'm connected to
(35:59):
it every aspect, shape or form. And now I would
I would say this, and I think I think, I
think both of you will will agree. The thing that
I that that I feel after all these years, after
the fifty years, and we've all been involved, and you
were one of the creators, you know, to help create
(36:19):
and spread this thing is it's it's hip hop is
an ecosystem. You know, it corrects itself. It goes through
stages that that you know some of the community aren't
crazy about, but the cream always rises.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
We need everybody.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
We need the long haulers, but we need the one
hit wonders.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
We need all of that, and and you know we.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Will correct ourselves when when we're in an incorrect space.
That's how I feel like, you know, I don't know,
I agree with you, I agree with I think that's
a great way to put it.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I say.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I tell people that, you know, the hip hop today
is a direct representation of whoever it is that is
uh uh, you know, driving it, driving the ship, just
like us. You know, we talked about things we wanted
to do, or things we were into, or things we liked,
or things we.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Wanted to be, or who we wanted to be, you know,
in the rapids.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
The lot, I say, my name is knowing all over
the world all the fox ladies and the pretty girls.
When I was a seventeen year old kid in the
suburbs going to high school trying to get a date.
So you know, I'm this is a that was a wish,
you know I was.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I was the guy that.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Would only go out with the okay girls, the nice
looking girls, you know, not the beauty. Sounds like somebody
I know, Yeah, so you can relate and then the
group with me, well, it sounds like his vibe.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
And my teachings I always share with people in the
early stage. I love the mantra or the creed or
the slogan that went with hip hop when it first began, love, peace,
unity and having fun. Yeah, And what it was about
was us being able to express the best way we
could in our musicianship, to be able to talk about
what will happen if we ever have any money, if
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we're in a position to be able to enjoy life,
because it was going out of the despair of things
that was going on in New York. But in closing,
what I'd like to ask is, when it's all said
and done, what do you What will people say or
what do you want people to say about you? What
will your legacy be?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
My legacy and what I want people to always know
is that I'm about transference of positive energy. Okay, When
your gift is the blessing of sustaining your life at
a high level through the creation of music and performing
and filming and all these different phenomenal things that goes
(38:56):
with us being who we are, there's a certain amount
of a ship it has to go along. So my
goal and my job and my task is to continue
to put that energy right back out into the universe.
So I'm spreading as much positive positivity. I'm spreading as
much love I'm spreading you guys. Like I said, you
see me perform, you know, I'm all about you know,
(39:18):
loving good music, you know, UH, being enterprising, entrepreneurship, all
of these things.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Anything that I can do to educate and and and
and enable you know.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Young people to understand the power of you know, free enterprise.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
These are the things that I want to be known for.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
You know, these are the things that I preach, and
these are the things that I practice on a day
to day basis.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And before you go anywhere, give us information on how
you could be contacted and how people find out what's
next and what's going on next with the UH with
the museum.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, So the museum, you can go to National
hip Hop Museum dot org. That's where you can go
to find out information on the Hip Hop Museum. For me,
you can go to UH at master G sugar Hill.
I'm on Instagram and you can d m me and
my people amazing, So if you DM me, I'm definitely
gonna get the information. Again, I'm at that age where
(40:12):
I need assistance, so I try to explain to people
and be real that you know, I'm not gonna directly
go on Instagram, but if you, if you d m me,
I will be informed on a daily basis what it is.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I talk to a lot of people that way.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Well, kid, in honor of our guests, let's strike a
pose in honor of oh, where's the muscle kid, the
muscles man.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, just because I do this, don't mean they're gonna
be some muscles do it. But the ain't nothing gonna happen.
You're gonna You're gonna.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Have to fix this in post, we love you, thank you,
We're gonna bring you back you both love peace and
hair grease.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Love master G. All right, and the G stands on
the technology.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Alright, so later, all right, kid, I think it's time
for our two favorite segments in this Mine's is the
playlist and yours is just kidding. You think it's about
that time?
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Those are?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Those are our two favorite segments that we have We established.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Our favorite or is it the people's favorite? Because the
letters I'm getting?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, exactly what you got? What letters you got?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I got a I got an E, I gott a F.
I get letters all the time. They just send you
one letter.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You got a k you gotta a I'm talking to.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
General Postmand of the Postman Gedal. You just dropped off
a bag of a bag of good news of just
none belive. But you know what it's time for. It's
time for the playlist.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
List is where I share with many as many as
possible things that have encouraged me, influenced me, informed me.
I love watching documentaries that teach me or show me
things I didn't know. And this particular one kind of
is a rate follow up to the guests that we
just just had. Big salute to Master g and is
(42:04):
what I mentioned in our conversation with him, is a
documentary about the group and it's called I Want My
Name Back, and it came out in twenty eleven and
it was directed by Roger Paradiso. I hope I said
that correct. If I did it wrong, charge it to
my head and not my heart, Priordiso. What you just
(42:28):
said anyway, all due respect, it's a great documentary that
I wasn't aware of that takes place about where it's
about the relationship or the sourd relationship between the sugar
Hill Gang and sugar Hill Records, led by the brilliant
Sylvia Robinson, the whole Robinson family. What it's about is
(42:51):
the fight for the name the Sugar Hill Gang, because
what ended up happening was the brothers or the sons
of Sylvia Robinson got involved in regards to actually becoming
performers in live stage performances of the group. Where when Message,
who spoke earlier in our conversation with him, had did
(43:13):
a sabbatical for a while, and the fact that these
gentlemen him and Wonder Mike began to realize the value
of their name, their brand and all of that, and
a fight ensued. And then it also gets into the
unfortunate health decline of Big Bank Big Bank Hank as well.
(43:34):
Great documentary on so many levels because it teaches you
a lot about the music business. It teaches you what
you thought all the glitters is not goal. It gives you,
those who want to be in the business warnings or
cautionary tales in regards to getting your business in order,
(43:56):
realizing what may not seem valuable now can be very
valuable up the But your name, your name, you know,
and it's a it's a it's a it's a great movie.
And I definitely ask everyone in their free time to
check it out, especially those who want to get in
the business or well on their way in the business.
(44:16):
It's called I Want My Name Back twenty eleven and
directed by Rogero Paradiso. As y'all can tell with this show,
I am the butcher among butcher of names. But I
will learn and one day kid will get it wrong.
He might be wrong about this one right here, but
(44:38):
we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
No, I'm not wrong about this one. Sometimes, you know
you notice my personally, you know, Roger, I.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Mean I you know I can spell and pronounce.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
So by me saying paradiso, that's so far fetched. It's
spelled p A r A D s O.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Is that so wrong?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
How I choose to I choose to see you.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Don't even remember how you said it. Go back and
tell me the way you said.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Because I don't know this man.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
This is the first time.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I don't know you.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Mean, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (45:09):
And what are you, Chris Tucker?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I don't know you, man, I don't know you at
the same time, man, same time, I don't know you anyway,
moving on to just kidding.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
All right, you're gonna you're gonna like this one I'm
really I'm really interested in your opinion about this. Okay, boy,
So in this this episode of Just Kidding, Just kidding, Okay,
an actor refuses to kiss other women on screen due
to his commitment with his wife. Okay, this is a
(45:42):
real actor. Yeah, yeah, needs blood transfusion like me. But
his name is Neil McDonough. Neil McDonough has said I
won't kiss other women because these lips belong to one woman.
He said that, that's a quote, and he was reportedly
(46:03):
fired from ADC, losing an estimated one million dollars for
refusing to do sex scenes with his co star.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Now, maybe he was using that as an excuse because
he just threw what it gets the co star.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I have no idea would I would put that out
to you? One you have had you have had love
scenes and kissing scenes in the movies.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
That we have done.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, okay, it was that ever problem with anybody who
you were going with that time? What would you be
willing to lose a million dollars behind that?
Speaker 4 (46:42):
You know? Well?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Two? Wait, first, my girlfriend would.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, if there was a million dollars in the balance,
my girlfriend would be like kids, kids, the girl kids
are down there.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
I don't care. Just get the million.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, shout out to her lips.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, let's get the.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
First of all, I've never been married, and in that situation,
I can honestly say I didn't have Yeah, I did
one in particular.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
You've had girlfriends while we're doing we've done movies.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Well, see, that's the interesting thing about me. People think
I've had a lot of girlfriends. I've never had a
lot of girlfriends. I could count girlfriends in my life
on one hand.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Literally.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Now there are people I've been seeing and maybe that
was the assumption, but I've never had Hey are you
my girlfriend or you my man?
Speaker 4 (47:31):
Yes we are.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
It's never been a lot of those.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
So what would you call that?
Speaker 4 (47:36):
A smash buddy? Where would that be?
Speaker 1 (47:38):
No, I've always wanted to know from women, what does
it mean we say you're seeing someone, you're dating someone,
we're just going out? Is? What does those mean? But no,
I was seeing them. We would we would we were
seeing I mean, I guess, in and corny ways of
putting it, we were dating, but no, never to the
point where it's like it was serious. You know what
(47:59):
I'm saying. In regardless to the question you're getting at.
I believe I think the conversation has to take place
like you feel with your girlfriend. That would be okay,
so that's it's cool, But they would have to go
ahead ahead, that would be a conversation kissing. That's one thing.
(48:20):
There's acting. You can simulate sex.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
You know what, what are you reminiscent? Look at this guy,
this bugget.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
As I'm looking as I'm looking up at the sky.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yeah, exactly what are you thinking about? Did you? Did
you remember some extra that you.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Just this is the time where the special effects coming
with the hello music.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
And a big bubble comes across.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
No man, since I just life and I have a
different thing on I would I would not like to
do that, and the same of my partner. But it
would just have to be a discussion, because you know,
it have to be a discussion. You know. How about you?
How about you?
Speaker 3 (49:14):
I mean I've never I've never had that. I mean,
it's if it's if it's like an organic part of
the of the of the script. You know what I
mean that you know you're gonna kiss somebody or simulate
making love, it's not like you're actually doing it. You
know what I mean of simulating it or or it's
(49:37):
very you know, it's but you know they're very intimate,
you know, like that.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Did you know they are directors that want that. You know,
they're like, no, I need it, I need it real
or or close to it.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
What kind of movies, y'all?
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Do what you're talking about?
Speaker 3 (49:54):
What you talk about the Midnight Blue movie. She's talking
about showtime and so it's what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Boy after dark?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
You know what I'm saying, a little bump and grind,
that's about it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
But no, how about real passionate kissing?
Speaker 3 (50:15):
You know, yeah, you know, very passionate and there's passionate
kissing and there's grinding, and look, I've had I've had scenes,
uh you know, I've had seen with Teacher Campbell. I've
had scenes with Angela Means, I've had scenes with Alicia Rogers,
you know, very kind of intense scenes.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
And then then and then that's it.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
That's like, you know, well, you know it's acting.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
What's home girl's name?
Speaker 1 (50:43):
And forgive me from the Fresh Prince Ship show?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Oh yeah, yeah that was your girl.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, I aush on her too. Back then yeah, I did. Yeah,
Karen Parsons. Then there was that one scene.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
And you didn't realize only white dudes.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
One of the the girl, uh the girl from the
Good Girls I forgot.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Saren yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
But anyway, I mean, I don't know. I'm a different
person now. I feel differently about that. It just depends
on what's how comfortable would your significant other be about that,
and if it's if it's about money or if it's
making them uncomfortable or whatever like this. I just think
it would need to be a discussion on understanding. Say
because of the comfortability of my significant other, she's not
(51:32):
happy with that, let's work it out in the difference.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
To the point where you're gonna get fired, because guess what,
check this out.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
If you get.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Fired for that reason, then who else is gonna want
to hire you?
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Knowing that that's your that's your Berlin Wall.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
I stick to the beginning of saying, maybe he would
just use it as an excuse not wanting to kiss
the co star. You know what I'm saying? What he
was guy acting before, he's a good acting normally always
plays a bad guy and he's yeah, he always like
he's like that guy. It seems like he's cool in
the beginning, but then when everybody behind it all out,
he was behind it all you know, that.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Double crossing white dude.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, he's a really good actor though, he's really good.
So I'm anyway, what have we learned from this episode today?
Speaker 4 (52:21):
What have you?
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Well, you know what we learned a lot about actually
a person that we already knew, But I learned even
more about Master guh his in this point, the G
stands for greatness because you know, when you see what
he's gone through and when you hear him speak and
you see what he's about to this day, you realize, uh,
(52:44):
you know, you can take the measure of the man.
And so you know, he always uh he never fails
to impress, you know when we're around him.
Speaker 4 (52:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
You hear the sugar Hill Gang of playing anywhere near
you to all our listeners and viewers, do yourself a
favor and check them out, because you'll get a really
great dose of old school hip hop and the stuff
that all of this stuff is built upon the foundation. So, yeah,
learned learned a few little little little nuggets about Master G.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yes, I would say maybe the same I'm going over
with everything we talked about. Yeah, I would say definitely,
what happened during this sabbatical. We didn't know sabbatical could
be twenty years, but why not. You know what I'm saying.
That's good. Yeah, i'd say the same thing. I'd mirror
everything that you've just said as well. Great getting together
with him, and we look forward to the other guests
(53:42):
that we have in the future. Again, this is kid
who plays the Funhouse and check us out What's What's
the Thing Kid that check us out on all your.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
All streaming podcast platforms and
Speaker 3 (53:59):
A podcast available on all streaming podcast platforms.
It's a podcast. Does your boy play?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, this is kid, I'm trying to do the whatever
whatever dance.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I was trying to do this kid together, we are
getting play Welcome to the Funhouse. Hey man, I'm excited
about this episode, are you? I am the really am
because you know, because we get a lot of mail
and people anticipate what the next was with or without guests,
so you just never know what's going to happen at
(00:40):
the Funhouse.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Right and I think if, if if memory serves correctly,
that we actually do have a guest today.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, now that you didn't gave that surprise away.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But okay, somebody returned our calls. Okay, sometimes they don't
return on calls.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
They returned mine. But all of that, with all of
that being said, Welcome to the Funhouse. I'm with my
brother the k I d Hey, this is another exciting episode.
But before we go any further, Kid, explain to them
what the Funhouse, the nucleus of it is all about.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, for those of you that that are just joining us,
maybe for the first or first time or so, you know,
the Funhouse we can play celebrates hip hop, we celebrate
the culture, we celebrate the music. We celebrate the vibe,
we celebrate the fashion. You know, we have particular leanings.
(01:35):
Play lends himself and lends his ear to more of
the classic vibe of hip hop, which is great, which
is the foundation, which is what we all love. I
try to keep my ear to the ground, as it were,
for our new artists, the ones that are going to
carry the torch, as Play likes to say, maybe the
(01:56):
future classic and classic artists of years to come.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We got to give hope a chance, give a chance.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I believe the children our future type stuff. So and
I think when we combine that, then I think we're
we're serving the culture. So what we do, party baby,
one big party, one big house party if you will
never heard of right. So what we usually like to
do is we like to get off the ground with
(02:28):
our music choices, to kind of set the tone, to
let you know what we're thinking. Please feel free to
you know, jump on on Apple Music or whatever wherever
you get your music from, Spotify, all these platforms carry
carry the fun house. We like to start with our
particular songs.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How else do you how else do you have a
party unless you have great music? You know what I'm
saying we have great music music. So we started off
with the old school meeting the new school. You know,
you pick a favorite of for this episode. I pick
a favorite for this episode, and yo, what else better
(03:08):
than pump It Up by Joe Budden?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I mean, well, you know what, I'll say this, it's
dope pump it Up as adult record.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But you know what it's like, I will say this.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know, a guy like Joe Budden can kind of
get caught in in that in that middle ground. Like
he's obviously he's not a new artist, but he's not
like an old school artist.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
He didn't come from our era.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I was gonna go there, but I just and on
this one, I just felt when you deal with a
club bang up, it is a little deal with you know,
just a head bang up period. It's just that's just
a dope joint. So it's just I just wanted again
I'm getting I'm gonna be happy when we get to
the point where we could actually play at least clips
of the music that we choose pre episode. But it's
(03:55):
pump It Up by Joe Budden, produced by Just Blaze.
Just is a beast among producers. You know, his repertoire.
If I may say, his history, his catalog man is bananas.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Know that's for your point that that's definitely a club banger,
and I'll be honest, it was.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
It was such a.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Banger that, you know, we we kind of look forward
to hearing more Joe Budden music in the future. It
didn't go that way for a variety of different reasons.
But you know, the universe is the universe turns the
way it turns. And now, obviously Joe Budden is a force,
(04:43):
a major force to be reckoned with in this field.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But we let's go back a little bit though. I mean,
one of the greats definitely saw in him, felt the
same way we did, and put him with one of
what was considered one of the super groups that was
slaughter House, you know, and that producer and that person
who saw that and recognized him for what he is
along with the other members, it's Eminem, you know. So yeah,
(05:11):
I know exactly what you're saying and what you mean.
Some people wanted and expected more, but who knew that
he would be the beast that he is in the
field of media when it comes to news.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
He's definitely been a leader in that field.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, shout out to to uh to eminem Yeah, creating
a slaughterhouse Joe l Ortiz, Yep, what's.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
My man's name? What's my man's name?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You got you see, that's why they want to go
there because.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I so you got that web I didn't know. That
means we're covering it from the classic point of view,
want to place classics. I'm going new school as I
am uh inclined to do.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Okay, So the joint that I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Put forth, it's called Body and this is as a
collabo joints as a lot of the young cats do today.
They tend to collab with each other. That's that's what
they do.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
But this one is uh, this is a boogie with
the Hoodie featuring Cash Cobaine. Okay, seeing a lot of
on the videos these days. So it's a collabo abo
with the Hoodie featuring Cash Cobaine. The joint is called Bodies,
produced by Nico Brand Luca Beats and uh and cuts
(06:39):
and you know it was just it just slap. But
you know, lyrically, these are some of these youngins that
are doing anything. A bully with the hoodie Cash Cobaine,
cool name. I've been seeing like not just videos on them,
but interviews with them, and they all have these unique
(07:00):
and interesting stories about how they got in the business,
what they had to go through and get through and
get past and get beyond. So that's what I'm rocking
with today. So check it out, body, Hey, Boogie with
the Hoodie and Cash Cobaine.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's right on all your streaming platform to.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Check those out. And as you do with our other segments,
get get at us, let us know how you feel
and suggest you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, if you think our yeah, if our suggestions are
being let us stray, then.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Let us know.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, well, right now it's time for that that hot segment.
We got to get some other secreuse. When we first
came up with this show, I'm sure we had some
other segments and stuff, so we got to start introducing them.
But the favorite, you know, it's the chat right now
is say less or doing the most?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Say less or doing the most?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Now break down what though why it's called that, kid,
because we haven't explained that in a minute.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Right, Okay, so this is this is one of our segments.
Apparently that you say people are really writing letters about
and you know, inscribing stone tablets and things of that nature. No,
it's called say less or doing the most means either
we describe a particular situation or an event or their
(08:22):
currens and we ask the question, should they say less
or are they doing the most? You know, well, and
we can describe it within that particular situation. Okay, I
think what we're going with today is well.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well, before you go any further, so, doing the most
it doesn't necessarily have to be in a negative thing.
Doing the most can be something extremely positive. Correct.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It can be you you know, you can you can
have disgusted with someone saying.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know, you're you know, you're doing the most like.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Your extra like chill fall back, or or it can
to your point, it can be very positive and you're.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Like, ah, you doing the most.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You're you're you're excelling, you're exceeding expectations, you're pushing the
culture forward. So that's that's the difference. So yeah, so
it's says we're doing the most. Say less is just
like sit down, Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So this one right here, we have our dude uncle
Luke Skywalker. Yeah, Luke demands checks from Ice Spice, Sexy
Red and Megan This the Stallion says they wouldn't be
able to say the things they say without him. Wow.
(09:41):
Does he deserve the credit for paving the way or
is it due to female rappers that came before them?
What's your thoughts, caller? You say what?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I would say it is that that's a pretty ambitious claim,
but not not completely uh you know what I mean,
not not completely without merit.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
If we remember Luke Skywalker and the Two Live Crew,
you know, they were the kings of the booty music.
They were the kings of busting and open music. They talked,
they talked greasy over fast Southern beats and set the tone.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Fought in in court, federal court to.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Have that right.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Uh and and and actually it was a right that
the rest of US rappers, even the ones that weren't
doing that kind of music, were able to benefit from
because he gave us and ensured that we had that
kind of freedom. I don't know if you know he
trying to tax them right now. I don't know, if
I don't know if that really flies. Well, you can't,
(10:48):
you can't be you know, there's Mike does Michael Jordan's
should Michael Jordan pay doctor j because Doctor j used
to dunk first?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, Will Chamberlain thought, thought, so what anyway?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know if you
can make that connection.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You tell me, I don't know if it should manifest
into money, But I think it's a combination of all
of it. When you look at Little Kim, Foxy Brown, heck,
even Salt and Pepper, you know, they pushed the envelope.
They pushed, they pushed it. And the situation with Luke,
you know, did he have any female rappers, any rappers
(11:25):
that he featured on his label that you know could
be to have the kind of position that a Little
Kim and a Foxy Brown in them could have or
say or argue.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
You know that, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I think I think if I'm going on on the
information that we have, it's he's saying that I created
this environment that any rapper, male or female could talk
in this way, could speak in this way, could express
themselves in this way. Uh, you know, And and look,
(12:02):
Luke was responsible obviously for the two Life crew. But
if I if I'm not mistaken, didn't Trick Daddy come
out of his camp. I mean, Pitt Bull came out
of that camp. I don't remember any lady rappers to
to your point, But I think he's just saying that,
you know, I created this atmosphere that that that lady
(12:25):
rapper down the road could feel free to express themselves
and talk about busting it open every two seconds.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Boss said, Well, what I will say is, I think
it's an interesting question. I look forward to what our
listeners and viewers would have to say on the matter.
I think it's a very very interesting question of merits
an answer, you know, or some some some thoughts, some opinions,
or whatever the case may be. I mean, I think
(12:56):
women deserve more than the whole thing of it just
being about their body and sexuality. It's more to it
to them and all of them than that. But you know,
we'll see. I look forward to what our viewers and listeners.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I mean, look, we want the ladies of our hip
hop kingdom and culture. We want them to have the
ability and the freedom to express themselves anyway they anyway
they like, you know, and if they feel like.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
They you know, whatever way they want to come at it.
Some Some come like.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
What I guess, I like what our guess Rox Stanshante said.
If you remember when we had her, it's when you
she got in real deep in regards to and please
go back and check out that episode everyone where she
was talking about you just never know the path of
the journey everyone has come from. It speaks on or
chooses to express themselves in the way they are and
before you're so quick to judge, you know, trying in
(13:51):
all that getting as it says in the Bible and
all that getting get understanding, so you know, it's a
much deeper situation. I mean, I never wanted us to
get into a situation of exploitation. But you know, it's
an interesting question. I think it's the hybrid or the
combination of more than just one. Because if you're looking
at it as them being vocal with it and rapping,
(14:15):
I'd lean more towards Little Kim and Foxy Brown and others.
Do I agree with it? Not necessarily so with facts
of facts. If you're looking at the expression through dance
and through body motion, I think that's more of on
the Luke side. You know what I'm saying, I don't know.
I'm willing to hear what people think and what they
(14:37):
know how appropriate is this next segment? Do we get
so much mail about it? I'm looking at piles of
it right now. It's called next on the mic. We
don't play around with words called legend, icon, pioneers, viar that.
You know what I'm saying. So we're just going to
bring on our next guests right now. We're honored ladies
and gentlemen of the One and Only Sugarhill Gang. Ladies
(14:58):
and gentlemen, mass to G.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
What's up, brothers? It is a G? You know what?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know what I've been curious about all these years?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Master G?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
What does the G stand for? That's a good that's
a good question. So my first name is guy. That's
my that's my birth or my birth certificate. Okay, And
I took the first initial of my of my name
and I put two e's behind it. So that's what
the G stands.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
For a guy.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, that takes care of that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's so simple yet so complex.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Wait, play wasn't he your name black back in the days,
was playboy mister C?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Because your name was Chris and.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Mister well at first it was mister C. Now what
was it? It wasn't Playboy. It was just called mister C. No,
it's Chris C because people would always use so see,
but people would say it too fast and I wasn't
going for that, so it'd be like Chrissy and I'm like, no,
(16:06):
we can't have that.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, not the name. You want to take the streets
over with, Princy.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So Master G, Yes, how are you doing? And what's new?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm always good. I'm thankful and grateful, and I'm busier
than I've been and I continue to get busy, and
that's because of all the wonderful things that we've been
given the opportunity to do.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
You know, we're like you guys.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
You know we're out on the road and you know
I'm doing I'm doing the thing with serious Xam'm one
forty one Master G Theater. We got the hip Hop
Museum down here and the DMV. That's where I'm at.
I'm headquartered out here in the DMV. So my partner
Jeremy Beaver and I we're doing the hip Hop Museum
down here in d C. And again, like I said,
(16:58):
and I'm talking to you guys, which is really exciting.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
This is this is really cool.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I have a question and I hope I articulated correctly,
because it's kind of an itch. It's like when you
first guys hit, when you guys first hit the scene. Yeah,
not a lot of people they would call credible MC's
whatever you want to call it. From the streets. We
weren't aware of you. And here's this record. It's like boom,
(17:25):
you know, uh sheikhs good times is the track, and
the record explodes. But one of the things that takes
place in hip hop culture, unfortunately, is competitiveness and who's
better and who's bigger, and who's got more and credibility
or whatever. So there was some question of like, who
(17:46):
are these guys, where did they come from? We never
heard of them before, and here you are fast forward
to today. Those are the only ones that would had
some skepticism, have some questions and all of that. They're
they She had the stage with you. You know what
I'm saying now going into names because their heroes of
all of ours. Yes, how does it feel in some
(18:08):
degree of what's the word vindication so to speak, to
be a good friends now staring the stage? Brothers, brothers,
you know where I'm getting at. Yes, how do feel?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
So? The thing about it is that.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
See what people didn't realize is I was raised in
the New York metropolitan area. I started DJing and rapping
in a place called Hackensack Teneck in Englewood, New Jersey.
That's where I started doing parties and Mike was doing
the same thing. So we had a little hip hop
scene going on over It's just that New York didn't
realize because in those days, New York and New Jersey
(18:44):
was two different worlds.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Right of course, so the record blew up.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
They were first like where these guys came from. They
thought we came from nowhere, because again it wasn't the Internet,
and all this information that being passed around was just
like we weren't there, and boom, we showed up.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So what ended up happening is initially people didn't think
we were the real deal. Okay, but after multiple shows
and Eighth Wonder and Apache and you know, going overseas
and doing the things that we've done. You know, my
ability to perform in front of crowds, you know, my
(19:25):
fortunate ability to be able to build businesses and create
you know, situations for those very same people, you know,
the people that that I do business with We have
a really good system that was given to me through
knowledge and developing of businesses and things that I did
in the sabbatical that I took from the music. So
(19:48):
that's where for me, the great gift is is the
fact that I was able to bring it all together
based on the things that I know, the things that
I've learned, and proving that I was worth people's respect.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's so awesome to watch because as I see you, know,
you and I have been in places together being amongst
people that I know. For me, I can't believe I'm
in the same room with them, I'm friends with them,
whatever the case may be. But to be to be
quiet enough in a room and to see you with them,
and then with you and y'all are doing shows with
Grandmaster Flash and if we're not Grandmaster Flash himself, but
(20:27):
I just say kudos and congratulations because you know, you
guys are pretty much. I'll never forget the documentary that
I'm going to put on my playlist one day. I
want my name back. I love that documentary. I don't
know if kids familiar with it, but I just wanted
to always ask that question, like how did that feel
without putting you on the spot now just feel you
know what I'm saying, because I see the commaraderie, the respect,
(20:49):
the friendship, and you're making money together and that's all.
You know what I'm saying. Kids, you got a question?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
And it plays on something that that masters G just
touched on. You mentioned the word sabbatical. Yes, as in
you took a break twenty years exactly, which.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Is that's been a little more than a sabbatical. Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'd like to know, and I think our viewers and
our listeners would like to know the reason.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
For that, for that break of time and the fact that.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
You know, you're very visible now and then there's something
that play and I appreciate because we get a chance
to see you and perform alongside you and altogether. But
to me, that was it felt like a very conscious decision.
It was why, why the why the why the getaway
and why they come back? Okay, So the getaway was
(21:54):
that I recorded rappers like.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
When I was seventeen.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Okay, so I was junior going to senior year in
high school. The first five years of my career as
an entertainer was meteoric. You know, there was no group
bigger than sugar Hill between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen
eighty five.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
During that time, my education for the music industry was
a trial and error situation. Once I got to a
point where the era couldn't be corrected, I decided that
I needed to reinvent myself. And the best thing for
(22:38):
me to do at that time nineteen eighty five was
to step away from the situation. Because again we have
to always put in context when it comes to Mikink
and myself, we are the first of our kind.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
We are the first successful rap group period.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I mean, so there was no you know, television shows,
there were no movies, there were no commercials, there were
All you did was you cut records and you toured.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
That's what you did.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So in nineteen eighty five, it got to the point
where it didn't seem like that was really working for us.
And I'm not the kind of person that takes defeat.
I don't accept it, I don't believe in it. And
so my decision was based on the fact that there
weren't pivotal opportunities for rappers at that point, and I
had also got really I had been awakened to the
(23:29):
superficialness of fame.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Fame is a.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Very weird thing, especially for me, because I was really
more of an introvert who can perform as opposed to
a person who was an autrovert that really likes to
be out and about. So with all that being said,
the best thing for me to do for my sanity
at that time was to step away. Now I didn't
know it was going to be twenty years that I
(23:53):
was going to be gone. What I ended up doing
is I went into the director door sales industry, and
I was mentored by some people that were really good
at teaching how to build businesses, and that's what I did.
So I went door to door, so books and magazines
for the first three years, and I learned the business
(24:14):
from the ground up. And then I started one sales
organization and I built it into another sales organization, and
eventually I had multiple sales organizations, a customer service company.
I had a house in Chicago, house in California, and
I ended up So what ended up happening is the.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Thing got bigger than me.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Now that I've been listening to something lately, and it
says that what your calling is will continue to call
you until you answered. During the time that I was gone,
everything that I tried to do to stifle this calling,
kept calling me, kept calling me, kept calling me, kept calling.
(24:54):
Long story short, at the end of two thousand and five,
my best friend in the world, still to this day,
is under Mike Michael Wright, and he made a decision
in two thousand and five not to do business with
the label, and we always have an agreement that if
he ever stepped away from the label, that whatever he
wanted to do, I would be willing to do it.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So literally a phone call from Mike to tell me
that he had some people that were interested in doing
something with him, but they wouldn't do it with him
unless I was involved. Is the reason why doing what
I'm doing today.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
By this time, and by this time Hank had passed.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
No, so Hank was still around and that was the
period we call that, you know, that's the war. That
was when we were at war because the company had
many years of me not being a part of the situation.
So they had free Reign at sugar Hill, Free Reign
at the Group, Free Reign at the group, free reign
at the group.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Once I stepped back into the particular right the name, right, the.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Name, how the person now, whatever they wanted to do
with the brand, they had free reign at that.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, there we go, that's the old Christians.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, so me partnering up with Wonder Mike rivaled what
the label was doing, and they were living they would
live it.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
They did not want that to happen.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So from two thousand and five until literally twenty sixteen,
we went through, you know, a very tumultuous time because,
like the documentary, we found out that we couldn't use
the name man that you know, the trademarks had been done,
and all these different things that happened in my absence
because at the time Hank and Mike weren't really savvy
(26:43):
enough to really delve into the detail. So when I
came back, I found this is this a battle with
the Robinson family pretty something of that nature. Yeah, was
Sylvia still around at that point. She was, but she
was not directly involved in it.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
You know, Sylvia, miss.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Robinson had really taken a back seat. Mister Robinson had passed.
Robinson had taken a back seat. So it was more
of a rivalry with the oldest son that that I
had because he wasn't really happy with the idea that
I came back to claim what was mine.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And so that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And but fortunately, and I and I say this with
great joy, you know, unfortunately Joey passed away. But yeah,
I was about to say that was Joey right, Yes,
Unfortunately he passed away and we weren't able to resolve
our differences before he passed, his brother Leland. His brother
Leland stepped in and that's where we we We we
(27:41):
felt we were stronger together than we were apart, you know,
once you get to a.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Point where you're grown and you know, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And the other thing was that they respected me for
going on my own and becoming successful and.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And you didn't need them. That's something that always takes
advantage of when they feel you need them, and they
take advantage of that. But on a lighter note, I
want to come back you said earlier, you said for
three years you did the door to door thing. Yes,
how do people feel when they opened their door? And
here's master g of the sugar Hill Gang, you know,
(28:15):
selling something? You know, how much did it take for
them to get for you to get past that with them,
so you could deal with the business in hand, the
reason why they're lotching on their door, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
So this is a great question, but again.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Most people ask questions based on your era where you
guys are on everything moving, television, commercial video this that.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
See my era, we were more audio or visual.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Got you.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
So a person would take things like, man, your voice
outs for me? Yeah, yeah, you know, I just got
one of them kind of voices. You know.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It wasn't like you guys can't walk down the street
without somebody saying, hey, that's kid, Hey, let's play. So
and we were working really fluent neighborhoods in places like
Overland Park, Kansas.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
So, yeah, that kind of thing. So I'm knocking on
the door in Overland Park, Kansas. You know, I got
a shirt and tie on, and I'm talking about I
came out there to better myself.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's going over their head.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Thing is the best place to hide is in playing sight.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
How in the world would.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Master g of the sugar Hill Game be in believe it,
I'm gonna believe it.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
It'd be the furthest and nobody.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Would would believe them if they said it.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I get away with that so much in regards to
don't make eye contact, and they always say your face look,
I said, yeah, I got one of those faces, right?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Do it all the time?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Moving Well, I don't have that luxury.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
No, I know you don't.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
But but how did you know?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Fast forward to today, how did becoming the executive director
of the DC Hip Hop Museum National Museum come about?
That's amazing. As far as glory to glory, that that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Appreciate it. I totally appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I'm talking about the things that's been going on since
your position.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Absolutely so. My dream was always to be a radio personality.
Frankie Crocker was a family friend of ours. My father
taught Frankie Crocker how to fly because I grew up
on Teeterborough Airport in New Jersey. My father flew planes
and private corporate jets, so that's that was my childhood.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
So him and Frankie knew each other.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Frankie wanted to fly, so Frankie used to come to
our house, and I wanted to be Frankie Crocker.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
That was what I wanted to do. I didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I had no idea about spinning records. I wanted to
do legend, totally New York icon music icon. So my
dream has always been that. So with all of his
success as recording artists, as I decided to make this
resurgent and emerge, I've been working to get a radio show.
So I met this guy here in d C that
(30:55):
was doing internet radio. This is back in again eighteen sixteen,
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen and eighteen when it was still
called internet radio, you remember that, Yes, And he allowed
me to come on his internet radio station and do
a show I call Look, Listen and Learn with the
Master g. So it was a show match like the
(31:17):
podcast of now, and it's what I did.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
In the process of that, he had started a collection
of hip hop memorabilion and he was one of these
major hip hop heads. You know, we meet them all
over the place. He's the cats that grew up listening
to you, listening to me, you know. Now, they're the
movies and the shakers of the world.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And they got stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Yeah yeah, and hey they got stuff stuff yeah yeah yeah.
And so that's what happened. So we put this museum situation.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I was the first We were the first group there
that we inducted, did an induction ceremony, did a pop
up exhibit, and then just over time, you know, Jeremy
is his name again, over time we developed this really
great business relationship and then it was just like, man,
we really want you to be the executive director. And
I made that decision. That's the last one we did.
(32:13):
That was the one we did at the ri AA.
I made the decision to do it because I really
feel like it's part of my legacy.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I if we're the group that brought hip hop to
the world, then I feel like I should be the
group that preserves hip hop.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
For the world.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh excellent, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And you know, at this point in time, in terms
of the Sugar Hill Gang, you know, you are the
most visible, You're the most vocal. Yes, it was very
nice last year at the fiftieth and you know, during
the fiftieth anniversary of hip Hop, we all did the
big show at Radio City Music Hall in New York
(32:54):
at SO and I got to see uh, wonder, Mike,
who I hadn't seen, you know, hadn't seen a minute,
you know one you know, Mike is as on the
scene as you are, so to your point, it's it's
you know you you feel like you want to, you know,
keep hold of the mantle and you know, and you're
(33:14):
You're very vigorous, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You older than us, but you're the most vigorous. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Every time I do a show that you, I go
home and work out because I feel so bad. I'm
going to the gym when I'm doing with you.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I know you are.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I know you are going to the I know.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, well I ain't putting come keeping mine down.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Let me let me put you on the spot. Could
you name for our listeners in our viewers some of
your favorite hip hop artists?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Absolutely, Oh my god, absolutely yes.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Play first of.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
All the fact going no, no, no, let me say no.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Let me say something to you man. You got guys.
Even though I wasn't around physically, I was watching and
see people don't know this and and and now. The
whole time that I was going, I watched everything I saw.
I saw you guys with the house and play the
Kid's Play the Housewualey movies. I watched LL Blow Up,
I watched a cube my brother brought the ice Cube
(34:22):
album to me when he left nw A and went
on his own at first that No.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Vaciline and all.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
He brought that album to me and was like, Yo,
you got to listen to the I've been listening, paying
attention and watching. I never stopped, you know. So you guys,
I'm telling you the moves that were made in your
career is significant. So definitely, uh, you guys comment is
somebody that I really enjoy Uh of course you know
(34:50):
my generation uh uh uh Houdini man.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
My guy Ecstasy.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
He's one of my favorite MC's of all time. I
mean Wordsmith talking about phrasey boys. Yeah, so, I mean
moving forward. I really enjoy Kendrick Lamar. I was just
you know that song he does with Let's Talk About Love.
I love that song. I mean, so, Kendrick A. J.
(35:17):
Cole is somebody I enjoyed. You know, I enjoy everybody.
I hear it all because I'm part of it all,
you know what I mean. That's why you know a
lot of times that people say, you know to me
and I and I really it kind of gives that
cringe when people say, you know, they say.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Well, the music's not like it was. Hip hop is
not like it was when you started. And I say,
wait a minute. Stop.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
First of all, I'm never gonna piss on something that
I brought to the world, Like that's like just owning
your child, you know what I mean. I have three
beautiful children, and sometimes they drive me nuts. But then
my children, I don't care what happens. Then my kids,
I'm gonna love them and always love them first. And
the same thing goes for hip hop. You know what
I mean, good battery different, this is I'm connected to
(35:59):
it every aspect, shape or form. And now I would
I would say this, and I think I think, I
think both of you will will agree. The thing that
I that that I feel after all these years, after
the fifty years, and we've all been involved, and you
were one of the creators, you know, to help create
(36:19):
and spread this thing is it's it's hip hop is
an ecosystem. You know, it corrects itself. It goes through
stages that that you know some of the community aren't
crazy about, but the cream always rises.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
We need everybody.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
We need the long haulers, but we need the one
hit wonders.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
We need all of that, and and you know we.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Will correct ourselves when when we're in an incorrect space.
That's how I feel like, you know, I don't know,
I agree with you, I agree with I think that's
a great way to put it.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I say.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I tell people that, you know, the hip hop today
is a direct representation of whoever it is that is
uh uh, you know, driving it, driving the ship, just
like us. You know, we talked about things we wanted
to do, or things we were into, or things we liked,
or things we.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Wanted to be, or who we wanted to be, you know,
in the rapids.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
The lot, I say, my name is knowing all over
the world all the fox ladies and the pretty girls.
When I was a seventeen year old kid in the
suburbs going to high school trying to get a date.
So you know, I'm this is a that was a wish,
you know I was.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I was the guy that.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Would only go out with the okay girls, the nice
looking girls, you know, not the beauty. Sounds like somebody
I know, Yeah, so you can relate and then the
group with me, well, it sounds like his vibe.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
And my teachings I always share with people in the
early stage. I love the mantra or the creed or
the slogan that went with hip hop when it first began, love, peace,
unity and having fun. Yeah, And what it was about
was us being able to express the best way we
could in our musicianship, to be able to talk about
what will happen if we ever have any money, if
(38:09):
we're in a position to be able to enjoy life,
because it was going out of the despair of things
that was going on in New York. But in closing,
what I'd like to ask is, when it's all said
and done, what do you What will people say or
what do you want people to say about you? What
will your legacy be?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
My legacy and what I want people to always know
is that I'm about transference of positive energy. Okay, When
your gift is the blessing of sustaining your life at
a high level through the creation of music and performing
and filming and all these different phenomenal things that goes
(38:56):
with us being who we are, there's a certain amount
of a ship it has to go along. So my
goal and my job and my task is to continue
to put that energy right back out into the universe.
So I'm spreading as much positive positivity. I'm spreading as
much love I'm spreading you guys. Like I said, you
see me perform, you know, I'm all about you know,
(39:18):
loving good music, you know, UH, being enterprising, entrepreneurship, all
of these things.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Anything that I can do to educate and and and
and enable you know.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Young people to understand the power of you know, free enterprise.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
These are the things that I want to be known for.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
You know, these are the things that I preach, and
these are the things that I practice on a day
to day basis.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And before you go anywhere, give us information on how
you could be contacted and how people find out what's
next and what's going on next with the UH with
the museum.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, So the museum, you can go to National
hip Hop Museum dot org. That's where you can go
to find out information on the Hip Hop Museum. For me,
you can go to UH at master G sugar Hill.
I'm on Instagram and you can d m me and
my people amazing, So if you DM me, I'm definitely
gonna get the information. Again, I'm at that age where
(40:12):
I need assistance, so I try to explain to people
and be real that you know, I'm not gonna directly
go on Instagram, but if you, if you d m me,
I will be informed on a daily basis what it is.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I talk to a lot of people that way.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Well, kid, in honor of our guests, let's strike a
pose in honor of oh, where's the muscle kid, the
muscles man.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, just because I do this, don't mean they're gonna
be some muscles do it. But the ain't nothing gonna happen.
You're gonna You're gonna.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Have to fix this in post, we love you, thank you,
We're gonna bring you back you both love peace and
hair grease.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Love master G. All right, and the G stands on
the technology.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Alright, so later, all right, kid, I think it's time
for our two favorite segments in this Mine's is the
playlist and yours is just kidding. You think it's about
that time?
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Those are?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Those are our two favorite segments that we have We established.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Our favorite or is it the people's favorite? Because the
letters I'm getting?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, exactly what you got? What letters you got?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I got a I got an E, I gott a F.
I get letters all the time. They just send you
one letter.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You got a k you gotta a I'm talking to.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
General Postmand of the Postman Gedal. You just dropped off
a bag of a bag of good news of just
none belive. But you know what it's time for. It's
time for the playlist.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
List is where I share with many as many as
possible things that have encouraged me, influenced me, informed me.
I love watching documentaries that teach me or show me
things I didn't know. And this particular one kind of
is a rate follow up to the guests that we
just just had. Big salute to Master g and is
(42:04):
what I mentioned in our conversation with him, is a
documentary about the group and it's called I Want My
Name Back, and it came out in twenty eleven and
it was directed by Roger Paradiso. I hope I said
that correct. If I did it wrong, charge it to
my head and not my heart, Priordiso. What you just
(42:28):
said anyway, all due respect, it's a great documentary that
I wasn't aware of that takes place about where it's
about the relationship or the sourd relationship between the sugar
Hill Gang and sugar Hill Records, led by the brilliant
Sylvia Robinson, the whole Robinson family. What it's about is
(42:51):
the fight for the name the Sugar Hill Gang, because
what ended up happening was the brothers or the sons
of Sylvia Robinson got involved in regards to actually becoming
performers in live stage performances of the group. Where when Message,
who spoke earlier in our conversation with him, had did
(43:13):
a sabbatical for a while, and the fact that these
gentlemen him and Wonder Mike began to realize the value
of their name, their brand and all of that, and
a fight ensued. And then it also gets into the
unfortunate health decline of Big Bank Big Bank Hank as well.
(43:34):
Great documentary on so many levels because it teaches you
a lot about the music business. It teaches you what
you thought all the glitters is not goal. It gives you,
those who want to be in the business warnings or
cautionary tales in regards to getting your business in order,
(43:56):
realizing what may not seem valuable now can be very
valuable up the But your name, your name, you know,
and it's a it's a it's a it's a great movie.
And I definitely ask everyone in their free time to
check it out, especially those who want to get in
the business or well on their way in the business.
(44:16):
It's called I Want My Name Back twenty eleven and
directed by Rogero Paradiso. As y'all can tell with this show,
I am the butcher among butcher of names. But I
will learn and one day kid will get it wrong.
He might be wrong about this one right here, but
(44:38):
we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
No, I'm not wrong about this one. Sometimes, you know
you notice my personally, you know, Roger, I.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Mean I you know I can spell and pronounce.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
So by me saying paradiso, that's so far fetched. It's
spelled p A r A D s O.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Is that so wrong?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
How I choose to I choose to see you.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Don't even remember how you said it. Go back and
tell me the way you said.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Because I don't know this man.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
This is the first time.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I don't know you.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Mean, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (45:09):
And what are you, Chris Tucker?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I don't know you, man, I don't know you at
the same time, man, same time, I don't know you anyway,
moving on to just kidding.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
All right, you're gonna you're gonna like this one I'm
really I'm really interested in your opinion about this. Okay, boy,
So in this this episode of Just Kidding, Just kidding, Okay,
an actor refuses to kiss other women on screen due
to his commitment with his wife. Okay, this is a
(45:42):
real actor. Yeah, yeah, needs blood transfusion like me. But
his name is Neil McDonough. Neil McDonough has said I
won't kiss other women because these lips belong to one woman.
He said that, that's a quote, and he was reportedly
(46:03):
fired from ADC, losing an estimated one million dollars for
refusing to do sex scenes with his co star.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Now, maybe he was using that as an excuse because
he just threw what it gets the co star.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I have no idea would I would put that out
to you? One you have had you have had love
scenes and kissing scenes in the movies.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
That we have done.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, okay, it was that ever problem with anybody who
you were going with that time? What would you be
willing to lose a million dollars behind that?
Speaker 4 (46:42):
You know? Well?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Two? Wait, first, my girlfriend would.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, if there was a million dollars in the balance,
my girlfriend would be like kids, kids, the girl kids
are down there.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
I don't care. Just get the million.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, shout out to her lips.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, let's get the.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
First of all, I've never been married, and in that situation,
I can honestly say I didn't have Yeah, I did
one in particular.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
You've had girlfriends while we're doing we've done movies.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Well, see, that's the interesting thing about me. People think
I've had a lot of girlfriends. I've never had a
lot of girlfriends. I could count girlfriends in my life
on one hand.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Literally.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Now there are people I've been seeing and maybe that
was the assumption, but I've never had Hey are you
my girlfriend or you my man?
Speaker 4 (47:31):
Yes we are.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
It's never been a lot of those.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
So what would you call that?
Speaker 4 (47:36):
A smash buddy? Where would that be?
Speaker 1 (47:38):
No, I've always wanted to know from women, what does
it mean we say you're seeing someone, you're dating someone,
we're just going out? Is? What does those mean? But no,
I was seeing them. We would we would we were
seeing I mean, I guess, in and corny ways of
putting it, we were dating, but no, never to the
point where it's like it was serious. You know what
(47:59):
I'm saying. In regardless to the question you're getting at.
I believe I think the conversation has to take place
like you feel with your girlfriend. That would be okay,
so that's it's cool, But they would have to go
ahead ahead, that would be a conversation kissing. That's one thing.
(48:20):
There's acting. You can simulate sex.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
You know what, what are you reminiscent? Look at this guy,
this bugget.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
As I'm looking as I'm looking up at the sky.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yeah, exactly what are you thinking about? Did you? Did
you remember some extra that you.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Just this is the time where the special effects coming
with the hello music.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
And a big bubble comes across.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
No man, since I just life and I have a
different thing on I would I would not like to
do that, and the same of my partner. But it
would just have to be a discussion, because you know,
it have to be a discussion. You know. How about you?
How about you?
Speaker 3 (49:14):
I mean I've never I've never had that. I mean,
it's if it's if it's like an organic part of
the of the of the script. You know what I
mean that you know you're gonna kiss somebody or simulate
making love, it's not like you're actually doing it. You
know what I mean of simulating it or or it's
(49:37):
very you know, it's but you know they're very intimate,
you know, like that.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Did you know they are directors that want that. You know,
they're like, no, I need it, I need it real
or or close to it.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
What kind of movies, y'all?
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Do what you're talking about?
Speaker 3 (49:54):
What you talk about the Midnight Blue movie. She's talking
about showtime and so it's what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Boy after dark?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
You know what I'm saying, a little bump and grind,
that's about it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
But no, how about real passionate kissing?
Speaker 3 (50:15):
You know, yeah, you know, very passionate and there's passionate
kissing and there's grinding, and look, I've had I've had scenes,
uh you know, I've had seen with Teacher Campbell. I've
had scenes with Angela Means, I've had scenes with Alicia Rogers,
you know, very kind of intense scenes.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
And then then and then that's it.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
That's like, you know, well, you know it's acting.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
What's home girl's name?
Speaker 1 (50:43):
And forgive me from the Fresh Prince Ship show?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Oh yeah, yeah that was your girl.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, I aush on her too. Back then yeah, I did. Yeah,
Karen Parsons. Then there was that one scene.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
And you didn't realize only white dudes.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
One of the the girl, uh the girl from the
Good Girls I forgot.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Saren yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
But anyway, I mean, I don't know. I'm a different
person now. I feel differently about that. It just depends
on what's how comfortable would your significant other be about that,
and if it's if it's about money or if it's
making them uncomfortable or whatever like this. I just think
it would need to be a discussion on understanding. Say
because of the comfortability of my significant other, she's not
(51:32):
happy with that, let's work it out in the difference.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
To the point where you're gonna get fired, because guess what,
check this out.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
If you get.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Fired for that reason, then who else is gonna want
to hire you?
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Knowing that that's your that's your Berlin Wall.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
I stick to the beginning of saying, maybe he would
just use it as an excuse not wanting to kiss
the co star. You know what I'm saying? What he
was guy acting before, he's a good acting normally always
plays a bad guy and he's yeah, he always like
he's like that guy. It seems like he's cool in
the beginning, but then when everybody behind it all out,
he was behind it all you know, that.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Double crossing white dude.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, he's a really good actor though, he's really good.
So I'm anyway, what have we learned from this episode today?
Speaker 4 (52:21):
What have you?
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Well, you know what we learned a lot about actually
a person that we already knew, But I learned even
more about Master guh his in this point, the G
stands for greatness because you know, when you see what
he's gone through and when you hear him speak and
you see what he's about to this day, you realize, uh,
(52:44):
you know, you can take the measure of the man.
And so you know, he always uh he never fails
to impress, you know when we're around him.
Speaker 4 (52:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
You hear the sugar Hill Gang of playing anywhere near
you to all our listeners and viewers, do yourself a
favor and check them out, because you'll get a really
great dose of old school hip hop and the stuff
that all of this stuff is built upon the foundation. So, yeah,
learned learned a few little little little nuggets about Master G.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yes, I would say maybe the same I'm going over
with everything we talked about. Yeah, I would say definitely,
what happened during this sabbatical. We didn't know sabbatical could
be twenty years, but why not. You know what I'm saying.
That's good. Yeah, i'd say the same thing. I'd mirror
everything that you've just said as well. Great getting together
with him, and we look forward to the other guests
(53:42):
that we have in the future. Again, this is kid
who plays the Funhouse and check us out What's What's
the Thing Kid that check us out on all your.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
All streaming podcast platforms and
Speaker 3 (53:59):
A podcast available on all streaming podcast platforms.
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