October 8, 2024 • 56 mins
Kid N Play welcome the man, the myth, the ICON - Big Daddy Kane and talk about his new documentary 'Paragraphs I Manifest' - Eminem's Recent Homage and Fighting for their Lives in the Latin Quarter. Follow, Like, Subscribe and Share @thefunhousepod #hiphop #podcast #kidnplay. Watch full episodes of #thefunhousepodcast with Kid n Play on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@U1PN/podcasts, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or visit @urban1podcasts to learn more. Follow us on IG: @thefunhousepod @KidFromKidnPlay @the_playgroundz @Jodi.Gomes See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's a podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a podcast. It's a pop pop pop pop podcast.
It's the part. I'm getting into the rhythm of the
the intro.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
But it seems to leave us. It seems to leave
us too soon, right when you're beginning to you know.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
What, what should we should we extend it? Is that
what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh no, no, no, I'm just saying pause, It's all good.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm good, I'm good. You know why I'm You know
why I'm good? Why I'm good? Why is that good?
Because we're in the fun House. We're in the fun
House Podcast truly, kid and play, and we're here to
discuss the book, the hip hop world that we've grown
up in and we live in and we love, and
(00:59):
the culture and all those things that are adjacent to it. Right,
so many things. Hip hop effects so many things, does
it not?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It does? It seems to be And I'm doing fine,
thank you. But anyway, so yeah, the fun House embraces
so many things, you know, And the great thing about
this platform is it gives people opportunity to prayerfully see
another side of individuals, to know they we're not one dimensional.
(01:30):
We're just not about that one thing. You know what
I'm saying, like, what else are you into?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Kid? What like you mean at this moment or over
the course of my life?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, I mean there's more to you than just what
most people know you for.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Correct I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, I guess we'll work on that.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know that we're working well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Maybe this is a good segue into the song of
the day, maybe the song that you can say a
lot about your things that's relatable.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
To your right to your point. We always try to
start with the song of the day. I try to
lean on the on the newer side of things, if
you will keep my ear to the street and my
small ears to the street. Play is more of a
classic hip hop kind of suh. And that's how we
(02:25):
wrote all right but all right, so let me let
me jump out. I heard this joint the other day
and it's from an artist. Well, the song is called
Summer Drop, and it's cool because you know, we always
like these summer songs. You know. Jay Z used to
always throw something out for the summer summer joints. You know,
(02:46):
from even you know, from when we were coming up right,
a summer joint is a hot joint. So this one
is actually called Summer Drop, and the the artist is
Corda Corday. You may know him from you know, he's
a young and coming up. He's had a few I've heard. Yeah, yeah, Cordate,
I think and I think if I'm not uh you
(03:06):
know what, I don't want to speak on that because
I don't know that for sure. But you know, like
on the personal tip, like I heard he went with
such and such, but I'm gonna talk about that. But
this particular song he did with Anderson Park, who had
the good fortunate meeting not too long ago. You know
Anderson Park from you know Bruno Mars and uh soilk
(03:28):
Sonic and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Did you did you invite him on the show, like.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You know what, you know what the time seemed to
get away from us. So but but but uh, you know,
it's a particular Ti Gardlands that we go to here
in Los Angeles. So you know, I got I got,
I got my centuries and my spies out, so we'll
catch him and we'll we'll uh well, we'll rope them in.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
All good.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But yeah, so so yeah, it's just a really cool
summer song. Corde is an artist that some of our
audience may be hip to, uh, you know, definitely on
the young young intip but very very lyrical, lyrical that
but super super clever and throws throw some fun into it.
(04:20):
You know, I think it's it would it would definitely
get the kid in Play seal of approval, So that
that's my joint little It's called Summer Drop.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And speaking of kid in Play approval, don't forget to
talk about that story with the you knows and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But anyway, maybe we do that at the end of.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You asked me to remind you, so I wanted to
that right now. But anyway, my my classic just happens
to fit, uh you know the show, you know, in
regards to the guests that we have today, again someone
has answered the phone and called us back, right, but
this one is rhyming with the Biz? Is that a
(05:06):
classic of what come on.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Biz?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Just rhyming with Biz? Big Daddy featuring Biz Markie Rest
in Peace, released in teen eighty eight and produced by
Marli mal.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But you know what, can you remark about how sometimes
our song titles was exactly what it was?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I ain't gonna hurt nobody.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But no, that that song still is to this day
is a beast because I remember a lot in quarter days.
I think I was there when they performed it, if
memory serves me well, and he could correct me if
I'm wrong, if they ever played it, but I'm sure
they did.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But yeah, I've been getting letters about your memory.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Oh so you're getting letters down. They know you're a
dressing everything stamps up.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh, I put it out, I'll put it out.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But this right here was, if memory serves me correctly,
with the introduction to the world, it's at least the
whole hip hop you know, center of hip hop culture
was getting introduced to Kane and the track was a
beast and the rhymes was a beast, and you know,
everybody loves biz. So I look forward to, if you know,
(06:24):
we get into it for him to share you know
what that was like. You know what it was like,
not like your first record, was that like his first record?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, you know what, I will we'll hopefully we'll have
the opportunity to ask him that.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
But because I'm looking between that and Raw and I think.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
No, no, no, no, no, no, this is before Raw exactly. Yeah, yeah,
well we'll ask him but no, I think in my
to my memory, this was before to your point, this
was an introduction. This is before probably he got an
album deal or he was, you know, doing singles like
we were, you know, shout Out to Fly, Tie, Cold, Chilling,
(07:04):
Mister Magic, that whole New York vibe. If you know,
then you know, you know what what it was like
in New York at that time.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It was the it was the era of the cruise.
You know, everybody and ladies of your first ladies and
cruise and you know right then they had that joint
to Symphony that was joint.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah. Yeah. Juice Crew, Juice Crew was volatile. Juice Crew
had some of the best rappers in the city, you know,
you know, and it was things these these that's how
these things started to evolve. Crew. You know Herbie Idol makers.
(07:45):
You know that we were involved in with Salt and
Pepper and Quame and Sweet, the Juice Crew.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You had the Boogey Down productions, bigget Down for Dutch, Yeah,
all of that. You know what, Let's let's get this
thing rolling so we could get to him. What's going
on with say less or doing the most? Can you
tell our audience what that's about in case people are
just going.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, we just kind of point out a particular situation,
you know that we've that we've come across that our
that our crack staff. Uh not that their own crack,
but they're but they're they're they're good at their jobs.
Is what that means? Okay, And they give us something
to ponder, and uh we we put up the We
(08:30):
put up the choice should should this say less? Or
or is this situation and the people involved doing the most? Okay?
Now this one here? Uh all right, everybody know fifty right? Wow?
I guess he was doing a cover shoot with The
Hollywood Reporter, which is a big time of you know,
(08:52):
uh industry magazine.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Do we feel us doing the most? I don't think so.
I think that's part of his suna, part of him
in real life, his brand, the whole nine. So it's
not it's no surprise. It's not like something that's just
out of character for him. You know, it's impressive that
it's his own money. Of course, you know, can't be
(09:16):
mad at that. But if it wasn't, if it wasn't
in the budget for three point five million to do
this shoot, you know, for them to somebody else's money
and knowing him the way we know or know about
is the fact that he probably is trying to hear
it being fake counterfeit money, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, how, what's the most you ever walked around with
on your on your person? Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I don't want to say, because somebody might think that
I got it on to me when they see me,
so you know, but it's it's quite a bit. It's
quite a bit, really, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's one.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You know, it's so funny because you're getting them childish
arguments with somebody about how much you got and what
you wear, and you make a statement like, yo, what's
in my bag right now? It's water? What you're driving
and what you're wearing, you know, that kind.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Of stupidity, and then they rob you.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, what's the most you walked around with?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, you know what, I'm better now than I used
to be, like for you know, you know how when
we you know, we're coming up in the nineties and
stuff like that, in nineties, two thousands, you know what
I mean that? You know not it's like it's kind
of part of the uniform, part of the outfit. But
the I don't know maybe maybe it's because since I
got out here in Los Angeles, like I don't work
(10:32):
around with a lot of cash at all. You know,
every everything's everything's plastic, everything is.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
You know, to me, it's always about To me, it's
always about an emergency. You just never know. And I
guess it's the way I was brought up, you know,
and then you never the way the economy and stuff
is going, you know. I'm just I'm a conspiracist, conspiracist theorist.
So it's like for me, it's like I think crazy
about the fact that I don't have a name, I
(10:58):
don't have an address or whatever, but that if all
of a sudden, you know that movie It's a Good
Life with Jimmy Stewart where everybody's money was just It's
a wonderful life, that Christmas Joint where everybody's money was
in the bank, and all of a sudden, the bank
tells the whole town, we don't have your money. We
don't have any money. It's like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Right? Right? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you know what I'm saying? All this technology and
you forget your past code and you do this, and
you do that. I don't know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right, so you're saying you're you're not You're not You're
not above going into the mattress, right if you go.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
No, no, no, no, no, you got to you gotta have,
you gotta have you know, you gotta have things.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Got to sneaker box in the sneaker box, like you go.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Now you got me going in. Now, you got me
going into people. You know the streets are watching. We
didn't already cover that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
my stuff is all the way in another city, you know,
easy access, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know,
y'all need to write in and let us know texting right.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Where do you keep your secret money? Is it in
your bra is it in your butt under the mattress?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, let us know if.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You're buried in the backyard, let.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Us know in this particular story, is he doing lesson?
Is he doing the most?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
What do you think is your money buried in the
backyard with your ex wife? Where is your money? Well?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You know him being on the microphone has cost him
some money, And that's a good segue to next.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
On the mic, Next on the mic, nextone to Mic
next one to Mic nex Stone to Mic.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Ladies and gentlemen, we want to bring to the screen
and to the microphone, one of the best, if not
the best, has ever done it. We're looking forward to this.
I want to thank him for joining us to have
some fun on the funhouse, Ladies and gentlemen, the one
and only Big Daddy King.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Hey, gentlemen, what's up? Came looking very yellow, wish, looking
very Yeah, he got the glow. You got to glow.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I was.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm looking forward to balloons and confetti and stuff because homie,
our friend is celebrated a birthday and he's a drinking
age now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So happy. Can we get a happy birthday? Yeah? Post,
can we get some some yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You know, special effects, you know all that kind of stuff.
How are you and how did you celebrate?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'm great, man. I didn't do didn't do much, man,
just dinner with the family, that's all.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Man. But you know, hey, man, you remember remember when
when birthdays was it had to be a blowout. Yeah,
it had to be a blowout. We in the city.
It's a blowout. I got my man's and them we
were an, I got three of my girls, my baby
mama and my wife everybody. I mean, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But take it further. You celebrated not just the day,
but either a whole week or the whole month. This
is my birthday month.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know my birthday because you're sitting here saying, yo, man,
I'm about to be eighteen, I'm about to be twenty one.
You know, you know I really feel like celeibrate. Yo man,
I'm about to be fifty six. It was serious.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah. Everybody coming from from the b K side of the town,
they didn't a lot of times, they didn't even get
those young birthdays. M yeah, right, pause.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
We all, I was gonna say, we all silent right
now trying to what did you just say?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I know, I just ruined the vibe. I get I
get it.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I have a question for you. Have you seen the
latest LL video?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, Murder Ground, Yes? Yeah, is that the woman Eminem? Yes?
But did you see the video? The videos? I saw
like a snippet. I'm not gonna lie. I saw a snippet.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
He's wearing the Big Daddy Cane album cover on where
he's like an emperor and stuff and em and them
recreates the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I saw it for the first Yeah, yeah, as longer
it came cover Oh so.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Fresh Soused on Today, and I was like, Wow, ain't
this dope.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I didn't know that he was a really big fan
of yours. I've seen that, you know, over the years,
I've seen that. You know, he's been very vocal about
that and about the mcs that influenced him and that
he you know that he loves and he revers and
you're definitely one of them. So wow, it doesn't surprise me,
but it's it must be. It's still kind of dope
(15:41):
when you when you know that's.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
A heck of a budget, and you know, it's so
funny because my next project I was going to do
was called the Reshoot where I was going to reach
out and probably the U two came and get and
recreate Everybody, recreated the age they are now their very
first album and do a documentary behind it. But it's
a amazing When I saw that music video, WI stood
out to me the way it opens LL does his
(16:05):
first album cover, That's the way the video opens and
he breaks into the joint. So then Eminem does the
big Daddy Kane joint. So it's a real L and
Q sip theyre doing it thing we're not.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
The album is phenomenal when you see that, When you
see that, not just the music, but the imagery and
how you know you were incorporated into that. What's what's
the feeling?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I mean I was looking at like I was amazed,
you know. I mean him as a good dude, always
showed me love. But for him to do the reenactment
of the long Lived the Cane cover and you know,
mentioned my name and we blocking the shirt, I thought
it was beautiful, you know, because I mean, you know,
introduces you know, me to a younger fan base. And
you know, I mean, yeah, I think it was Did.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know about it beforehand or you just ran across it?
How did you find out that?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
L L told me that?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
He said, L said, way do you see like you
I forgot think he think he said, you're going to
be amazed or you all love what we did. That's all.
I just I didn't know that it was going to
be something you know.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, that's that was a budget. That was that was
a budget. Man. They really did their thing as far
as the whole thing. But that leads me to another
thing about you and if you want to speak on
it your project, because I saw a piece of your
interview on Tameron Hall about your documentary paragraphs did I manifest?
Did I say that right?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Tell us about that man. That's uh, that's an amazing
title in what sounds like an incredible Uh. I didn't
see the whole interview, but an incredible concept from the title.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Well, it's a documentary based on lyricism, you know, to
speak about the importance of lyricism and hip hop. And
you have a whole slew of artists, uh, discussing their
writing process, how important lyricism is them, some of their
biggest hits, how they wrote them.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And yeah, we have Eminem's in that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's what made me think about it.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, eminem Snoop Dogg, jay Z, Common, MC, light h,
Lady London. I even have se Meleie, mel graand Mastercas.
I even have like some of the battle rappers, Goods,
the Animal and Averbs, you know, talking about the battles.
(18:31):
But you know the art of battle rap. Yeah, so
we we try to cover everything storytelling battle rap.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, I want to apologize that I didn't get back
to you when you got at me, you know, for
me to be in it, but you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I was busy. Yeah, just like yeah, I was like
I never got my invite. Uh uh b d K
like play don't belong alongside these great lyricists, like of
course the artist battle rappers out there bro of course
not cut it out, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
No, I think I think I give kudos to that
because I'm always loving unique and and and fresh angles,
you know, to this culture and and pretty much in anything.
But when the title alone, I love titles. That's where
gets my flow going. Is when I come up with
a title for something and I thought that is so
congratulations or that when can.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We people'll have step in Les's the paragraphs manifest.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes right, yeah, no money looking for Let me ask
you this, excuse me on that tip. Like with all
the people that you that you did chronicle and they
told you about the processes, was there anything that that
surprised you, like like this is how I got here?
(19:56):
I mean, you know, you know your process. You know,
you know all all all of us have have a process.
Was there anything that surprised you with the people that
you know, what's different from Kine's way of preparation than
Eminem's or Lady London or whomever else you were talking to.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, well, Snoop, I think Snoop told an amazing story
about you know, how he got started.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I thought that that was real. Dope.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Eminem surprised me by mentioning something that I did that
I never really paid no attention to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know, would you like to share that.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
He was.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
The way I put words together. And he was saying
that he hadn't heard nobody do that, you know, prior
to me. And I'm sitting there, like, no, someone ahead,
and I'm trying to think of I'm like, you know,
I'm thinking like, you know, the elites before me, like
you know, uh Kumo d Yeah, you know, grand master casts.
(20:58):
I'm trying to like think, I'm like, you know, because
he was talking. One of the lines he was talking
about is arm rap prime minister, some say sinister non
stopping the groove until winister and how like Lennon's is
not a word, it's a bunch of words together, is
matched together to rhyme with minister and word Yeah, And
(21:19):
I'm like, nah, had to be. I mean, I thought
it was just amazing how he was pointing that out.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, is it any.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Unique Is it any unique way that you go about
putting and getting your rhymes and stuff done? Because I
know with Sumer forgot who it is. I think I
forgot who it was that said they they start there's
with the ending of the story. I think that was
danea dame, and he works his way up to the
beginning of the story. Is there any particular way how
do you come up with an idea or a story
(21:47):
idea or because you're you're clever, I'm not just telling
you what I think you want to hear. You're just dope,
you know, so.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Now, I mean, honestly, it differs. It differs. Sometimes it's
a it's a track that might remind you of something
that you heard before, or it has a feel that like,
you know this, I need to.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Be talking about such and such. You know.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Sometimes it's like that, and then sometimes it's just the mood,
you know. Yeah, you know, you could be sitting around
thinking about something and be like, oh, yeah, I need
to say this on a song and you start jotting
down ideas.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So it differs. Yeah. Wait, all right, So we talked
about this before we got on, but I got to
ask about it because you know, you've you've never been
you've never been Fred King to experiment, to venture forth,
the venture out. In terms of in terms of your music,
I mean you've done you know, you've done the boom Back,
(22:41):
You've done the street hip hop, you did, you did
New Jack Swing, but you also did a joint ski
with Barry White, and I ran across the video and
on your birthday, they showed every video you ever made
and something hadn't seen in a while, but I definitely
saw the Barry White joint. Please, you know, give us
a little flavor of what that experience. Uh, you know,
(23:05):
it was like recording it, the video, everything beating him,
the whole nine. Yeah, the record together, y'all in the
studio together because yeah, yeah, we was at Record one.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I met Barry out a cookout at Quincy Jones House
and we connected from there.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Humble brag. Huh, I'm saying that's a that's as a
humble brag said. Yeah, I was with Barry White at
Quincy Jones house.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know, like it's day but Tuesday for the game
but no now, But that's that's what we connected, and
we decided to do the song. And the crazy thing
is like when we met, I said, I have an idea.
I want to do a song called all of Me.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
M h. And but what I'm what what what?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
What we're gonna be saying is we're gonna be telling
the young lady that all of me wants all of
you you. And then he looked over at his man
JP and was like tell him, and the JP was like, nah,
you need to show him because he not gonna believe us.
And then we went into like where he had his
two inches, like I think it's in his in his
(24:15):
movie theater. We went his two inches was and he
had a two inch for a song that I think
it was from thing he said nineteen seventy six, maybe
that he never put out called all of me once
all of you.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And the hook that the young ladies are singing on
my song is his hook from seventy six.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And what what?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And he opened that up to you, and you know
what I mean, like that now because he was that
would be a mind blower, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
What I mean?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What happened was when he asked me what did I
want to eat? And I said, just something light like
h caesar salad with some white anchovies and that was
his thing. He liked Caesar Salary with anchovies. So he
was just like, you know, like and then we find
out that our birthdays are two days apart. I'm September tenth,
he September twelfth, and we had so much in common.
(25:12):
So then to like to discover that, you know, what
I want to do musically is something that he already did.
You know, and you know Barry, he's you know, he's
deep into astrology. He was deep into astrology.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, I was just thinking that all of that is
like what's meant to be?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know, That's where that's where his mindset went. We
didn't and say, yeah, we got to make this happen.
This this the stars all line, and this is meant
to be.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So that's what his was what I want to touch
on because when I do surface on social media every
once in a while, I saw something that I thought
was really beautiful. And what caught my attention was the
hit you got on a post you put up which
I thought was really heartwarming, where you was talking about
years ago how you went to go see Purple Rain
and how much the Morse Day character you know, affected you.
(25:58):
And then fast forward to today.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
You know, here you are, you know, doing.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Doing a music video with him as well as recording
with him, and I know those moments and you know,
can you speak on that how that came about?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Uh l LL put that together. LL called me and
said that on Marris got this new song. I think
you would be dope on it. You interested, you know,
would you talked to him? And I was like yeah,
So he connected us and we talked and he sent
the song. I was like, okay, yeah, na see the vision. Yeah,
let's go.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
What was it about the Morris Day character in Purple
Rain that was affected you or put such an impression
on you or made you feel a certain type of way.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I know it's sort of question. Come on, man, stop playing.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's what I said.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I know it's silly. No, don't lie. You like it
when he threw the girl in the dumpster, don't lie,
Big day game, that's all part of the pimp ship.
Had so much funny stuff in that movie.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, actually, actually his character didn't do it. Jerome did it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh yeah, but at whose direction?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah? Of course you know what I'm saying. But you know,
when you get in and see has something you know
Kid could join in too, But I know Kana and
I have some key things in common, which is music,
you know, with our mutual friend and DJ bro Rab
who puts together these special mixes for us. But we're
right there with late sixties, seventies, eighties and.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And you know all of that that Morris Day thing
with the suits and all. You know, that's what's up
that some Orange Juice Jones type stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Going on there. You know, Yeah, that's my good brother too.
You know, do you have pairs of Stacey Adams in
your closet, Big Daddy Kane, No, I do not, Well
you did, though, I bet you did. About the British Walkers,
we got some British of them. Maurice Gator Man myself.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And I know you must have loved whenever it was
time to go to Detroit and Chicago to get to
now and later flavors, you know, Crocodile joints as far
as you know, Gators and all that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, the shoe store there City Slicker, oh, yes.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Sir, yes, sir, and the New York sown aj Lester's,
you know back.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
In the day. You know what I'm saying, All of
that yeah, Yeah, I got glad. Yeah, I'm sorry. I
have a question because I follow you your Instagram and
I noticed that a lot a lot of times you
put up some really really you know, cool videos and
(28:42):
and and pictures about you and your son. Yeah, and
it's you know what I mean, you know what I mean.
I remember and I remember when my kids were that age,
what a wondrous age it is for them, and and
how much you know, I don't know, is there a
(29:04):
Do you feel like you're a different person now than
you were then? Uh? Do you? Do you look at
things differently? Do you enjoy things more, particularly now that
you got you know, you got your young your young
man that you're groom it to share it with absolutely,
(29:24):
you know.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I mean I'm much more mature now and have way
more much responsibilities than I had, you know, when I
was younger. So I definitely see life differently. And he
makes it incredible. He makes it incredible, you know, And
I definitely want to be a good role model for him.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I'm like that with my son, who's much older now,
but I always wanted him to feel comfortable to talk
to me about anything. And I'm sure you're the same way,
is there any questions he asks you about certain videos
and certain things you've done in the past, and you
got to got to put you on the spot, like
you're Ralph Cramton with gonna, I'm gonna im gonna, I'm
gonna yeah, Like, daddy, what.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Was going on here? Daddy?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Na like either this stuff that he didn't know that
I did and he's fascinated by it, or it's stuff
you know, it's like scenes with me and another girl
and he don't want to see it even man.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So here's a question for you that I'm asking pretty
much everyone. I did it on our first show between
Kid and I. Aside from your great bodies of work,
all your music, put that to the side. What's one
record that was done out there by someone else that
you wish you would have done?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah? Uh oh, this is this a lot?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Uh come on baby by Saigon mhm.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Man, what's the fact Joe Joint Nah, the one that
just Blaze did?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Oh oh oh.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I can't remember the name of it off hand, but yeah,
uh uh scarface, keep me down.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
See the thing about you that I just realized asking
you that question, most would probably pick something that was
like a commercial success or sold a whole bunch of
you know, did well. But for you, being a rappers
rapper or mc mcs, your thing would be records that
are real good records. The cats spit on. It was
(31:43):
like they didn't necessarily was radio songs or anything like that.
You know, the first when you first when you named
I never heard of that one before.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
How about this? How about this? How are we? How
do we throw a quick game in here, real quick? Right,
I'll give you. I'm gonna give you a hip hop
contemporary or peer and tell us, tell us the first
word or thought that comes to mind. Okay, Okay, I'm
(32:14):
at the edge of my seat on this one too, right, Okay, yeah,
well this is either going to be a Swiss or
an airball. Okay, all right, but I'm willing to try. Okay,
Chuck D prolific, Marley mal b inventor, mm hm cuji, rap.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Lyrical beasts, black tie, fly tie. What's the best word
I can put it? Someone that's gonna speak his mind.
Mm hmmm, mister magic. Mm hmm, mister magic and the
(33:10):
greatest voice on radio ever.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, ever true? That that's what's up?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
That's I mean when I say that, I'm not just
talking hip hop. I mean when you put him up
against Span Frankie Crocker, No.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
True that, and I was there to bring up Frankie Crocker.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
But master Ace, master Ace is a mastermind.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Mm hmm you definitely agree.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So what's kid? I'm sorry Madonna?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
M hmm, Madonna, wild girl, but a sweetheart, sweetheart, wild girlwart.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right now we can land the plane?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
No, that's that one that the sun be Yo, what's
up with that?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
But so what's next? Man? What's uh? I know you're
still out on the road hopefully and still enjoying this
this journey. But what can we look forward to besides
the documentary?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Well after that we can be doing some merchandise stuff
as well, and you know, probably just some more acting stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You know. Yeah, do you enjoy that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I mean it's it's it's different than the music side.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Well you you already know that. And by the way,
yea man, amazing job and the Temptations brother, right, don't
don't sneeze or you miss me. That was that was
going for like tuesdays.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Nah, but nah, it was a real funny scene because
you your attitude was like you had an attitude like
someone in the fifties or sixties, you know, so you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we are error.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
But I would say this and and and tell me
if if you you agreed, And I know, Play fields
this way as you're getting into the you know, acting
and you know, just branching out what I found is
and I'm sure play feels the same way that this
rap foundation that we have, it helps to prepare you
(35:17):
for it. Now it's not exactly the same, but but
you know, I think being on stage all these years
and all these videos, you know, we're not rookies at it.
You know, it's it's it's a it's a familiar neighborhood.
It was for us, and I'm curious if if it
was that way for you. I mean, you're playing cowboys
(35:38):
and all kinds of stuff, man, like, come on.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Kudos to the law and order.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Uh yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
With with me, I mean, I feel like, you know,
hip hop definitely you you you because of hip hop?
Is it makes it a whole lot easier to remember
your lines. Yeah times, you know, but yeah, but it's like, hmm,
you know, honestly, kid, you have a lot of artists
(36:13):
that portrayal role in music.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So if.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
They they entered into the acting world, you know, the
same thing they do in music. I'm assuming that they
can do in acting, just portraying a different role, but
in music.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Just me, baby, I'm not praying role. This is me,
you know, b K to the fullest. Remember the Latin Quarter?
I know you, well, yeah, so did you we spoke
on that.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
We spoke on that earlier.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I'm sorry I said to answer your question. Yes, me
and Biz did just rhyming with Biz at Latin Quarters.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I was there, Yeah, when the crowd went bananas. I
remember that very well.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah. We tried to describe this atmosphere of places like
the Latin Quarter and Union Square in the late eighties.
You don't understand, like, yeah, it was the wild wild West.
Your life was could be utterly endanger you know. You
could get rushed, you could get bum rushed. You could
perform one week and crush and the next week get booed.
(37:23):
It was. It was a tight rope. It was, but
we loved it. And it's what I think, it's what
toughened us up and and and and helped us. You know,
helped us move on and and at that time, nobody
was nobody was more of a king at the Quarters
or or Union Square or the Roxy. Then you you
(37:45):
mastered all that and came with a with a with
a crew from Brooklyn that was very formidable, let's say.
Matter of fact. Yeah, shout out the hawk dog Pigs.
That's what I was just.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I was just thinking about that dog. I was just
thinking about it dog.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The funny thing about that. And tell me if you
remember this, those same grimmy dudes that would snatching your
jewelry five minutes before they did that, you would see
them on the dance floor.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I was just we're right there, were right there. And
it's like, what about Cutmaster d C. Brooklyn's in the
house certain records that.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
You know, I'm a pause, Oh yeah, that's that's all
the top, top.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Top villain. And it's funny because I was just with Herbie,
you know, about a month ago, and we were reminiscent,
of course, as we all do at this age, and
he was reminding me of when he got at the
Latin Quarter. You know what I'm saying, they surrounded him
and yeah, I was there.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I was there. They knocked us over them. They knocked
us over the little little uh little little balcony, not balcony,
but you know what I mean. They knocked us off
the thing into the dance floor. Everybody went, guess what.
We came back the next week like it wasn't no thing.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
But that's what I was just going to bring up,
where we was there something wrong with us that we
would go ahead and do the same thing the very
next week with the dope you know, with the dopest
gear on. We didn't even care, you know what I'm saying.
There was a lot of close calls.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It's like that commercial like third Pro, like it never happened,
Like you just go right back the next weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Man, I was there for some iconic nights. I was
there the night the Krest and Melly mal battle.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Wow, I was there that night. I missed that one.
Yeah he won? Who won that battle?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
He's yeah, he said the rhyme from poetry, the thing
about the like arrow and Scott as the crossbow say
something now thought.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
So yeah, I was there that night.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I was dead to night when at least twenty Brooklyn
Cats tried to get jam Mass to j for his piece.
I mean, it was just j Hurricane and I think
one more person and they made it out of there
with their jewelry. Salute resting piece to J. But salute
to Jay because he made it out with his jury.
They didn't get him.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, I I've just seen Hurricane, like like last night
he came out to La. Oh. Yeah, Hollis crew. Hollis crew.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
They did three of them, fought, they asked off and
kept like twenty.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
But see, all of that stuff was exciting. I mean,
I put myself lived for it. I couldn't wait to,
you know, to the next one in spite of whatever
was about to go down. But I remember going to
Harlem World and all those rap contests or awards that
they would have, and man, put your life on the
line by going down there in the subway.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
To make it home.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
It's like that that was just everything, you know what
I'm saying, to just make it home with your shoes
still on your feet, with your sleekers and stuff, you know,
sheep skin and all.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
No.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
I was just telling my man manifest about me and
Biz coming home from three seventy one on the train
home with the little little bs money that we made
from Mike and Dave back and you know this is
like eighty eighty five.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Mike and Dave.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Oh my goodness. You know what, how about this before
we before we bounced? We would be remiss if if
it didn't ask for maybe one one little extra anecdote
or moment that you experienced with Biz Marquee, the late Great.
(41:53):
You know we've all had contact with but I think
your contact and experience with him was at way more depth.
And you know, if there's something you'd like to to
h to pass on to our viewers and listeners because
he was he was a special person. I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
There's been many times in interviews people say what would
you be doing if you wasn't rapping?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And who cares? I'm rapping.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I made a career, So I don't really know how
to answer that, you know, But when I've seen them
close the lid on their coffin, that's the first time
I ever really thought about it, and I saw my
entire life flash before my face. First time ever that
really really really thought about it.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, what what? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
What?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
What? Am I a whole other way? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
No, I saw myself, I saw myself working for Yo
L Judah Zam's father doing the construction stuff, my delivering fruit,
going up to Hunts Point Market and then getting the
fruit and putting on the truck and coming back to
Brooklyn giving it the different fruit stands. I saw myself
(43:14):
in the fish market cleaning fish. All that happened just
like that.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Those are all jobs you really had, yes, yes, like
you know.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
And and then other little stuff that I did on
the street. I mean, I'm seeing all this stuff, like, damn,
where would I be without this dude?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Mm hmm. And I got the first time it ever
really hit me. I know.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
That's what kid thinks about me all the time, you know,
And I keep telling him, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Man, I really I can't wait to close the cap.
Get on you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. This is called and this
is called the fun house anyway, yo. With so much,
so much yeah, shut up, with so much love and admiration.
We want to thank you for stopping through. And yo, man,
(44:10):
nothing but love. I owe you one and appreciate you.
Man and God blessed. Happy birthday again. The son, the missus,
the family salute flowers.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
This is.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
And scene. Hmm, all right, that was pretty dope.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Oh he was, Yeah, he was. He's a great guest.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
That was pretty dope. So anyway, you know what, kind
of speechless but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, no, I'm trying. All right, no, all right, yeah, yeah,
you're you're e're up next.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, it's with the playlist. But you know, I just
wanted to maybe reflect a little bit. Maybe we could
go into that, We could go into that when we
get into what we learned today or from this episode
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
No, no, no, no, go ahead. It's it's it's it's
it's on the it's on our minds, it's on your mind.
This this guy. I mean, I mean I remember, I
remember back in the days when we would you know,
when we came across Cane and would do shows with Caine.
Like he was a different dude back then, you know
(45:17):
what I mean. He sounded and he moved, and his
energy to be the best rapper in the city. It
had that now, but I know he was. He was
chucking fish and delivering packages and shit like that, you
know what I mean. So his that's why he always
had that urgency. I was like, I'm not going back
(45:38):
to that. I'm not going back to that. You know.
I'm sure you remember the guy had an intention. We
wasn't with that way back then.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
From my perspective, there was always a respected mystery about him.
I was fortunate enough to do a show to one day,
I may go ahead and put out the footage on
Architects of Hip Hop, where we really would into his life.
But you know a lot of people, you know, I'lbie Square, Mall, Brooklyn,
that whole thing, you know, and some of the names
(46:08):
he just mentioned that. I was a little surprised that
he did. You know, these these these cats was was real,
you know what I'm saying. And Cain was either with
them or associated with them, So right off the bat,
people would think he was about that life. But yeah,
to find out, like I did, we all did having jobs.
I did construction, I did Burger King McDonald's, I was
(46:29):
a bank I worked in a bank, did all this stuff.
Finally an Avis rent a car to finally get my
life on track. But it's just interesting to hear, and
I'm sure that'd be a blessing to others to hear. Now,
we we worked before we before things happened. It wasn't
no overnight success, you know, I think.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
We're way better at this than we were at any
of those jobs.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Well if we knew that was because you were going
to be a lawyer. So that was one thing I
can see you. Yeah, of course who wanted what we
considered to be regular jobs. But I've had good paths.
I worked for UPS. When he says the thing with
you know, with Busy talking about the vapors, you know,
and the fact that when he talks about TJ. Swad
(47:12):
and working for UPS.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
That was me.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I did that as well. But we all had jobs.
But it's interesting to note that, you know, everybody had
the same kind of paths. You know, you you worked
at what's the tennis joint? You was at the US Open.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I worked at the US Open for every summer for
like four summers in the room. And that's how I
that's how I paid for college.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And weren't you at the shelter working at the shelter
at one time with your father?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, my father got me a job working at a
shelter in Brooklyn and Vetstye Sumner House and I did that,
and I did that and then this nice city job
that I got I quit because.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, I mean I remember the money we were making.
When I worked for UPS, that was big money for me,
you know, even the construction job and down on Wall Street,
that was big legal money. I started making legal right.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I tried UPS, but they fired me after that first month,
you know, like you got to get past that first month. Yeah,
I was. I was loading the trucks, and I was
I had to load four trucks from like three thirty
in the morning to seven thirty in the morning, and
I was, I was throwing these boxes in the wrong
truck truck and the drivers were cussing me out, and
(48:30):
that then they had to go to college. I had
to go to school after that at seven thirty in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
So yeah, I was a loader, and then I worked
my way up to a driver and ended up putting
me a lot of worse, putting me in one of
the worst areas ever in New York, red Red Hook projects,
you know, where the elevators weren't working. I had to
take the stairs all of that kind of stuff and
maybe get get get caught out there.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
But yeah, that was interesting interesting to hear.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah. Yeah, and viewers, viewers, listeners, Yeah, tell us about
the most fucked up jobs that you had when you
were coming up on your way.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
To what you really you know, right, yeah, let us
know those Let us know those jobs. You know what
I'm saying, what's that show? They used to come back
job jobs nobody else wanted to do, you know. So anyway,
I'm gonna get to the playlists, And what the playlist
is about is movies that I have watched or in
this case, plan to watch in regards to that inspire me,
(49:31):
encourage me. I've learned stuff from it, not only just
learning techniques and filmmaking, but also just learned something period.
And the piece that I want to share is call
The Bizarre of Black Hollywood. It's a documentary film chronicling
the early life and career of African American filmmaker Oscar.
Now help me with this, kid, because I was show
(49:55):
I was correct in my head, I was correct.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I wasn't sure year kind of a French or New
Orleans kind of vibe. Right.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
So it's directed by Bayar Mack, and it's about Oscar Mischu.
He was a towering figure even by today's standards. He
was not only America's prominent black filmmaker for three decades,
but also the country's most prolific, having directed and produced
(50:25):
twenty two silent movies and fifteen talking pictures during his
illustrious yet tumultuous career. The Bizarre Black Hollywood uses an
archival film, photos, illustrations, and music to weave a compelling
narrative of him and his early life with his productions
and all of that good stuff. So I haven't seen
(50:47):
it yet. I came across it as I was looking
for things to share, and I was like, wow, I
need to peep this. So that's something that we could
all not literally watch together, but if y'all check it out,
I'll check it out, and maybe you want to get
at me in our messages and let us know what
you think and I could share the same.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
So that's it.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
The Black the Czar of Black Hollywood. That's what I
want to check out and peep and let's see what
how we feel about it.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
No, no, no, I'm I'm very unfamiliar with the Oscar
me show.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
He was.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
He was a giant at that particular time in Hollywood,
and you know, definitely somebody that was the foundation for
you know, black filmmakers to come. Yeah, all right, so
all right, I got I got, I kind of got
a problem here as we get to the segment that
(51:40):
nobody's talking about. Just kidding, that's my that's my segment
right after the playlist. That's how you know that it's coming,
so you can cringe, all right, all right? So this
is this is uh, this is something that that I'm
still gathering information about. Uh. It's something on HBO. It's
(52:05):
called Chimp Crazy. Chimp dude.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
We've been at hotels lately and that thing, you know,
HBO is on the cable thing in the rooms, and
this thing just this, this piece, it's been coming up. No,
it's just been I you know, I watched a little
bit of it and didn't do anything for me. But
they are definitely pushing it on HBO. But go ahead,
please continue.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Okay, all right, So those those of you that aren't familiar, uh,
this show, Chimp Crazy chronicles the life of I'm gonna say, tonya,
Tonya haddocks. Is this a woman? This is a chick?
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:41):
It is, all right, who hid the ape for months
after ordered her to give him up? Does does that sound? Yeah?
Remember yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:50):
I mean the way it opens is like me speaking
on the playlist, is about how she got introduced to
and became obsessed, treating him like she She even breast
fed the the ape that's in discussion here. You know,
literally where you get a chimp?
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Where do you get the chimp? From? What she did?
She steal the chimp?
Speaker 1 (53:13):
She I guess, I guess you got to watch it.
They did get into that. I just don't remember at
this time. But it was as a little baby, I think, no, no, no, no, no,
she had it as a little a little baby.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Really, that's like what do they call that? You know,
when the what's that term they used when when you're
selling animals on the load that you're not supposed to
be selling.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I can't remember that.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
I mean, it's a it's a real you know. It
kind of reminded me of that. Yeah yeah, yeah, black
market or yeah, all of that. But uh yeah, So
I don't know that much about it to speak on.
I just know that every time I went to HBO
it was on, it was she led on the on
the on the door when it was when it was
a little baby. Yeah, I don't know if it was her,
(54:06):
because I think she was grandparented into it. I think
it was her mother that did it, and the chimp
in her grew up as children, you know her, So
I think that's what happened. I think she grew up
with the chimp and that's how her mother took care
of him. So he was like a brother to her,
you know. I think that's what Howard went. Hey, those
(54:29):
folks HBO doing it.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Okay, yeah, you know that's the idea. So check out
Chimp Crazy and we'll all cringe together. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
So did you learn anything today?
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Well, you know I learned that. Well, I can't say
I learned it. I already knew that, you know, that
Big Day came would be a great guest, and which
he was, you know, gracing us with his uh, with
his lyricism and his presence and some of these great
stories from yesteryear. Uh. So you know, I learned, but
(55:06):
I kind of knew already. I had the Geat codes,
I had clip notes, if you will. But yeah, yeah,
we're getting guests, man, people are starting to return our calls.
We really appreciate this, all the guests that we reach
out to. Yes, we're so glad that you calling us back. Yes,
(55:26):
we'll give you play numbers, one of his many numbers,
so you can call im.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
Big shout out to uh, all the listeners and all
the viewers. We're gonna keep coming with fun as Kid
laughs his way into us ending this show. But YO,
we're having fun with this.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
Fun out.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
It's a it's a
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Podcast or streaming podcast platforms.
It's a podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a podcast. It's a pop pop pop pop podcast.
It's the part. I'm getting into the rhythm of the
the intro.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
But it seems to leave us. It seems to leave
us too soon, right when you're beginning to you know.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
What, what should we should we extend it? Is that
what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh no, no, no, I'm just saying pause, It's all good.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm good, I'm good. You know why I'm You know
why I'm good? Why I'm good? Why is that good?
Because we're in the fun House. We're in the fun
House Podcast truly, kid and play, and we're here to
discuss the book, the hip hop world that we've grown
up in and we live in and we love, and
(00:59):
the culture and all those things that are adjacent to it. Right,
so many things. Hip hop effects so many things, does
it not?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It does? It seems to be And I'm doing fine,
thank you. But anyway, so yeah, the fun House embraces
so many things, you know, And the great thing about
this platform is it gives people opportunity to prayerfully see
another side of individuals, to know they we're not one dimensional.
(01:30):
We're just not about that one thing. You know what
I'm saying, like, what else are you into?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Kid? What like you mean at this moment or over
the course of my life?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, I mean there's more to you than just what
most people know you for.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Correct I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, I guess we'll work on that.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know that we're working well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Maybe this is a good segue into the song of
the day, maybe the song that you can say a
lot about your things that's relatable.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
To your right to your point. We always try to
start with the song of the day. I try to
lean on the on the newer side of things, if
you will keep my ear to the street and my
small ears to the street. Play is more of a
classic hip hop kind of suh. And that's how we
(02:25):
wrote all right but all right, so let me let
me jump out. I heard this joint the other day
and it's from an artist. Well, the song is called
Summer Drop, and it's cool because you know, we always
like these summer songs. You know. Jay Z used to
always throw something out for the summer summer joints. You know,
(02:46):
from even you know, from when we were coming up right,
a summer joint is a hot joint. So this one
is actually called Summer Drop, and the the artist is
Corda Corday. You may know him from you know, he's
a young and coming up. He's had a few I've heard. Yeah, yeah, Cordate,
I think and I think if I'm not uh you
(03:06):
know what, I don't want to speak on that because
I don't know that for sure. But you know, like
on the personal tip, like I heard he went with
such and such, but I'm gonna talk about that. But
this particular song he did with Anderson Park, who had
the good fortunate meeting not too long ago. You know
Anderson Park from you know Bruno Mars and uh soilk
(03:28):
Sonic and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Did you did you invite him on the show, like.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You know what, you know what the time seemed to
get away from us. So but but but uh, you know,
it's a particular Ti Gardlands that we go to here
in Los Angeles. So you know, I got I got,
I got my centuries and my spies out, so we'll
catch him and we'll we'll uh well, we'll rope them in.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
All good.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But yeah, so so yeah, it's just a really cool
summer song. Corde is an artist that some of our
audience may be hip to, uh, you know, definitely on
the young young intip but very very lyrical, lyrical that
but super super clever and throws throw some fun into it.
(04:20):
You know, I think it's it would it would definitely
get the kid in Play seal of approval, So that
that's my joint little It's called Summer Drop.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And speaking of kid in Play approval, don't forget to
talk about that story with the you knows and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But anyway, maybe we do that at the end of.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You asked me to remind you, so I wanted to
that right now. But anyway, my my classic just happens
to fit, uh you know the show, you know, in
regards to the guests that we have today, again someone
has answered the phone and called us back, right, but
this one is rhyming with the Biz? Is that a
(05:06):
classic of what come on.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Biz?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Just rhyming with Biz? Big Daddy featuring Biz Markie Rest
in Peace, released in teen eighty eight and produced by
Marli mal.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But you know what, can you remark about how sometimes
our song titles was exactly what it was?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I ain't gonna hurt nobody.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But no, that that song still is to this day
is a beast because I remember a lot in quarter days.
I think I was there when they performed it, if
memory serves me well, and he could correct me if
I'm wrong, if they ever played it, but I'm sure
they did.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But yeah, I've been getting letters about your memory.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Oh so you're getting letters down. They know you're a
dressing everything stamps up.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh, I put it out, I'll put it out.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But this right here was, if memory serves me correctly,
with the introduction to the world, it's at least the
whole hip hop you know, center of hip hop culture
was getting introduced to Kane and the track was a
beast and the rhymes was a beast, and you know,
everybody loves biz. So I look forward to, if you know,
(06:24):
we get into it for him to share you know
what that was like. You know what it was like,
not like your first record, was that like his first record?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, you know what, I will we'll hopefully we'll have
the opportunity to ask him that.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
But because I'm looking between that and Raw and I think.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
No, no, no, no, no, no, this is before Raw exactly. Yeah, yeah,
well we'll ask him but no, I think in my
to my memory, this was before to your point, this
was an introduction. This is before probably he got an
album deal or he was, you know, doing singles like
we were, you know, shout Out to Fly, Tie, Cold, Chilling,
(07:04):
Mister Magic, that whole New York vibe. If you know,
then you know, you know what what it was like
in New York at that time.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It was the it was the era of the cruise.
You know, everybody and ladies of your first ladies and
cruise and you know right then they had that joint
to Symphony that was joint.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah. Yeah. Juice Crew, Juice Crew was volatile. Juice Crew
had some of the best rappers in the city, you know,
you know, and it was things these these that's how
these things started to evolve. Crew. You know Herbie Idol makers.
(07:45):
You know that we were involved in with Salt and
Pepper and Quame and Sweet, the Juice Crew.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You had the Boogey Down productions, bigget Down for Dutch, Yeah,
all of that. You know what, Let's let's get this
thing rolling so we could get to him. What's going
on with say less or doing the most? Can you
tell our audience what that's about in case people are
just going.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, we just kind of point out a particular situation,
you know that we've that we've come across that our
that our crack staff. Uh not that their own crack,
but they're but they're they're they're good at their jobs.
Is what that means? Okay, And they give us something
to ponder, and uh we we put up the We
(08:30):
put up the choice should should this say less? Or
or is this situation and the people involved doing the most? Okay?
Now this one here? Uh all right, everybody know fifty right? Wow?
I guess he was doing a cover shoot with The
Hollywood Reporter, which is a big time of you know,
(08:52):
uh industry magazine.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Do we feel us doing the most? I don't think so.
I think that's part of his suna, part of him
in real life, his brand, the whole nine. So it's
not it's no surprise. It's not like something that's just
out of character for him. You know, it's impressive that
it's his own money. Of course, you know, can't be
(09:16):
mad at that. But if it wasn't, if it wasn't
in the budget for three point five million to do
this shoot, you know, for them to somebody else's money
and knowing him the way we know or know about
is the fact that he probably is trying to hear
it being fake counterfeit money, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, how, what's the most you ever walked around with
on your on your person? Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I don't want to say, because somebody might think that
I got it on to me when they see me,
so you know, but it's it's quite a bit. It's
quite a bit, really, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's one.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You know, it's so funny because you're getting them childish
arguments with somebody about how much you got and what
you wear, and you make a statement like, yo, what's
in my bag right now? It's water? What you're driving
and what you're wearing, you know, that kind.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Of stupidity, and then they rob you.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, what's the most you walked around with?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, you know what, I'm better now than I used
to be, like for you know, you know how when
we you know, we're coming up in the nineties and
stuff like that, in nineties, two thousands, you know what
I mean that? You know not it's like it's kind
of part of the uniform, part of the outfit. But
the I don't know maybe maybe it's because since I
got out here in Los Angeles, like I don't work
(10:32):
around with a lot of cash at all. You know,
every everything's everything's plastic, everything is.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
You know, to me, it's always about To me, it's
always about an emergency. You just never know. And I
guess it's the way I was brought up, you know,
and then you never the way the economy and stuff
is going, you know. I'm just I'm a conspiracist, conspiracist theorist.
So it's like for me, it's like I think crazy
about the fact that I don't have a name, I
(10:58):
don't have an address or whatever, but that if all
of a sudden, you know that movie It's a Good
Life with Jimmy Stewart where everybody's money was just It's
a wonderful life, that Christmas Joint where everybody's money was
in the bank, and all of a sudden, the bank
tells the whole town, we don't have your money. We
don't have any money. It's like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Right? Right? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you know what I'm saying? All this technology and
you forget your past code and you do this, and
you do that. I don't know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right, so you're saying you're you're not You're not You're
not above going into the mattress, right if you go.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
No, no, no, no, no, you got to you gotta have,
you gotta have you know, you gotta have things.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Got to sneaker box in the sneaker box, like you go.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Now you got me going in. Now, you got me
going into people. You know the streets are watching. We
didn't already cover that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
my stuff is all the way in another city, you know,
easy access, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know,
y'all need to write in and let us know texting right.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Where do you keep your secret money? Is it in
your bra is it in your butt under the mattress?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, let us know if.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You're buried in the backyard, let.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Us know in this particular story, is he doing lesson?
Is he doing the most?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
What do you think is your money buried in the
backyard with your ex wife? Where is your money? Well?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You know him being on the microphone has cost him
some money, And that's a good segue to next.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
On the mic, Next on the mic, nextone to Mic
next one to Mic nex Stone to Mic.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Ladies and gentlemen, we want to bring to the screen
and to the microphone, one of the best, if not
the best, has ever done it. We're looking forward to this.
I want to thank him for joining us to have
some fun on the funhouse, Ladies and gentlemen, the one
and only Big Daddy King.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Hey, gentlemen, what's up? Came looking very yellow, wish, looking
very Yeah, he got the glow. You got to glow.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I was.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm looking forward to balloons and confetti and stuff because homie,
our friend is celebrated a birthday and he's a drinking
age now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So happy. Can we get a happy birthday? Yeah? Post,
can we get some some yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You know, special effects, you know all that kind of stuff.
How are you and how did you celebrate?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'm great, man. I didn't do didn't do much, man,
just dinner with the family, that's all.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Man. But you know, hey, man, you remember remember when
when birthdays was it had to be a blowout. Yeah,
it had to be a blowout. We in the city.
It's a blowout. I got my man's and them we
were an, I got three of my girls, my baby
mama and my wife everybody. I mean, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But take it further. You celebrated not just the day,
but either a whole week or the whole month. This
is my birthday month.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know my birthday because you're sitting here saying, yo, man,
I'm about to be eighteen, I'm about to be twenty one.
You know, you know I really feel like celeibrate. Yo man,
I'm about to be fifty six. It was serious.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah. Everybody coming from from the b K side of the town,
they didn't a lot of times, they didn't even get
those young birthdays. M yeah, right, pause.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
We all, I was gonna say, we all silent right
now trying to what did you just say?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I know, I just ruined the vibe. I get I
get it.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I have a question for you. Have you seen the
latest LL video?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, Murder Ground, Yes? Yeah, is that the woman Eminem? Yes?
But did you see the video? The videos? I saw
like a snippet. I'm not gonna lie. I saw a snippet.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
He's wearing the Big Daddy Cane album cover on where
he's like an emperor and stuff and em and them
recreates the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I saw it for the first Yeah, yeah, as longer
it came cover Oh so.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Fresh Soused on Today, and I was like, Wow, ain't
this dope.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I didn't know that he was a really big fan
of yours. I've seen that, you know, over the years,
I've seen that. You know, he's been very vocal about
that and about the mcs that influenced him and that
he you know that he loves and he revers and
you're definitely one of them. So wow, it doesn't surprise me,
but it's it must be. It's still kind of dope
(15:41):
when you when you know that's.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
A heck of a budget, and you know, it's so
funny because my next project I was going to do
was called the Reshoot where I was going to reach
out and probably the U two came and get and
recreate Everybody, recreated the age they are now their very
first album and do a documentary behind it. But it's
a amazing When I saw that music video, WI stood
out to me the way it opens LL does his
(16:05):
first album cover, That's the way the video opens and
he breaks into the joint. So then Eminem does the
big Daddy Kane joint. So it's a real L and
Q sip theyre doing it thing we're not.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
The album is phenomenal when you see that, When you
see that, not just the music, but the imagery and
how you know you were incorporated into that. What's what's
the feeling?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I mean I was looking at like I was amazed,
you know. I mean him as a good dude, always
showed me love. But for him to do the reenactment
of the long Lived the Cane cover and you know,
mentioned my name and we blocking the shirt, I thought
it was beautiful, you know, because I mean, you know,
introduces you know, me to a younger fan base. And
you know, I mean, yeah, I think it was Did.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know about it beforehand or you just ran across it?
How did you find out that?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
L L told me that?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
He said, L said, way do you see like you
I forgot think he think he said, you're going to
be amazed or you all love what we did. That's all.
I just I didn't know that it was going to
be something you know.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, that's that was a budget. That was that was
a budget. Man. They really did their thing as far
as the whole thing. But that leads me to another
thing about you and if you want to speak on
it your project, because I saw a piece of your
interview on Tameron Hall about your documentary paragraphs did I manifest?
Did I say that right?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Tell us about that man. That's uh, that's an amazing
title in what sounds like an incredible Uh. I didn't
see the whole interview, but an incredible concept from the title.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Well, it's a documentary based on lyricism, you know, to
speak about the importance of lyricism and hip hop. And
you have a whole slew of artists, uh, discussing their
writing process, how important lyricism is them, some of their
biggest hits, how they wrote them.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And yeah, we have Eminem's in that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's what made me think about it.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, eminem Snoop Dogg, jay Z, Common, MC, light h,
Lady London. I even have se Meleie, mel graand Mastercas.
I even have like some of the battle rappers, Goods,
the Animal and Averbs, you know, talking about the battles.
(18:31):
But you know the art of battle rap. Yeah, so
we we try to cover everything storytelling battle rap.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, I want to apologize that I didn't get back
to you when you got at me, you know, for
me to be in it, but you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I was busy. Yeah, just like yeah, I was like
I never got my invite. Uh uh b d K
like play don't belong alongside these great lyricists, like of
course the artist battle rappers out there bro of course
not cut it out, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
No, I think I think I give kudos to that
because I'm always loving unique and and and fresh angles,
you know, to this culture and and pretty much in anything.
But when the title alone, I love titles. That's where
gets my flow going. Is when I come up with
a title for something and I thought that is so
congratulations or that when can.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We people'll have step in Les's the paragraphs manifest.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes right, yeah, no money looking for Let me ask
you this, excuse me on that tip. Like with all
the people that you that you did chronicle and they
told you about the processes, was there anything that that
surprised you, like like this is how I got here?
(19:56):
I mean, you know, you know your process. You know,
you know all all all of us have have a process.
Was there anything that surprised you with the people that
you know, what's different from Kine's way of preparation than
Eminem's or Lady London or whomever else you were talking to.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, well, Snoop, I think Snoop told an amazing story
about you know, how he got started.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I thought that that was real. Dope.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Eminem surprised me by mentioning something that I did that
I never really paid no attention to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know, would you like to share that.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
He was.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
The way I put words together. And he was saying
that he hadn't heard nobody do that, you know, prior
to me. And I'm sitting there, like, no, someone ahead,
and I'm trying to think of I'm like, you know,
I'm thinking like, you know, the elites before me, like
you know, uh Kumo d Yeah, you know, grand master casts.
(20:58):
I'm trying to like think, I'm like, you know, because
he was talking. One of the lines he was talking
about is arm rap prime minister, some say sinister non
stopping the groove until winister and how like Lennon's is
not a word, it's a bunch of words together, is
matched together to rhyme with minister and word Yeah, And
(21:19):
I'm like, nah, had to be. I mean, I thought
it was just amazing how he was pointing that out.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, is it any.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Unique Is it any unique way that you go about
putting and getting your rhymes and stuff done? Because I
know with Sumer forgot who it is. I think I
forgot who it was that said they they start there's
with the ending of the story. I think that was
danea dame, and he works his way up to the
beginning of the story. Is there any particular way how
do you come up with an idea or a story
(21:47):
idea or because you're you're clever, I'm not just telling
you what I think you want to hear. You're just dope,
you know, so.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Now, I mean, honestly, it differs. It differs. Sometimes it's
a it's a track that might remind you of something
that you heard before, or it has a feel that like,
you know this, I need to.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Be talking about such and such. You know.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Sometimes it's like that, and then sometimes it's just the mood,
you know. Yeah, you know, you could be sitting around
thinking about something and be like, oh, yeah, I need
to say this on a song and you start jotting
down ideas.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So it differs. Yeah. Wait, all right, So we talked
about this before we got on, but I got to
ask about it because you know, you've you've never been
you've never been Fred King to experiment, to venture forth,
the venture out. In terms of in terms of your music,
I mean you've done you know, you've done the boom Back,
(22:41):
You've done the street hip hop, you did, you did
New Jack Swing, but you also did a joint ski
with Barry White, and I ran across the video and
on your birthday, they showed every video you ever made
and something hadn't seen in a while, but I definitely
saw the Barry White joint. Please, you know, give us
a little flavor of what that experience. Uh, you know,
(23:05):
it was like recording it, the video, everything beating him,
the whole nine. Yeah, the record together, y'all in the
studio together because yeah, yeah, we was at Record one.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I met Barry out a cookout at Quincy Jones House
and we connected from there.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Humble brag. Huh, I'm saying that's a that's as a
humble brag said. Yeah, I was with Barry White at
Quincy Jones house.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know, like it's day but Tuesday for the game
but no now, But that's that's what we connected, and
we decided to do the song. And the crazy thing
is like when we met, I said, I have an idea.
I want to do a song called all of Me.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
M h. And but what I'm what what what?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
What we're gonna be saying is we're gonna be telling
the young lady that all of me wants all of
you you. And then he looked over at his man
JP and was like tell him, and the JP was like, nah,
you need to show him because he not gonna believe us.
And then we went into like where he had his
two inches, like I think it's in his in his
(24:15):
movie theater. We went his two inches was and he
had a two inch for a song that I think
it was from thing he said nineteen seventy six, maybe
that he never put out called all of me once
all of you.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And the hook that the young ladies are singing on
my song is his hook from seventy six.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And what what?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And he opened that up to you, and you know
what I mean, like that now because he was that
would be a mind blower, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
What I mean?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What happened was when he asked me what did I
want to eat? And I said, just something light like
h caesar salad with some white anchovies and that was
his thing. He liked Caesar Salary with anchovies. So he
was just like, you know, like and then we find
out that our birthdays are two days apart. I'm September tenth,
he September twelfth, and we had so much in common.
(25:12):
So then to like to discover that, you know, what
I want to do musically is something that he already did.
You know, and you know Barry, he's you know, he's
deep into astrology. He was deep into astrology.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, I was just thinking that all of that is
like what's meant to be?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know, That's where that's where his mindset went. We
didn't and say, yeah, we got to make this happen.
This this the stars all line, and this is meant
to be.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So that's what his was what I want to touch
on because when I do surface on social media every
once in a while, I saw something that I thought
was really beautiful. And what caught my attention was the
hit you got on a post you put up which
I thought was really heartwarming, where you was talking about
years ago how you went to go see Purple Rain
and how much the Morse Day character you know, affected you.
(25:58):
And then fast forward to today.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
You know, here you are, you know, doing.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Doing a music video with him as well as recording
with him, and I know those moments and you know,
can you speak on that how that came about?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Uh l LL put that together. LL called me and
said that on Marris got this new song. I think
you would be dope on it. You interested, you know,
would you talked to him? And I was like yeah,
So he connected us and we talked and he sent
the song. I was like, okay, yeah, na see the vision. Yeah,
let's go.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
What was it about the Morris Day character in Purple
Rain that was affected you or put such an impression
on you or made you feel a certain type of way.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I know it's sort of question. Come on, man, stop playing.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's what I said.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I know it's silly. No, don't lie. You like it
when he threw the girl in the dumpster, don't lie,
Big day game, that's all part of the pimp ship.
Had so much funny stuff in that movie.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, actually, actually his character didn't do it. Jerome did it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh yeah, but at whose direction?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah? Of course you know what I'm saying. But you know,
when you get in and see has something you know
Kid could join in too, But I know Kana and
I have some key things in common, which is music,
you know, with our mutual friend and DJ bro Rab
who puts together these special mixes for us. But we're
right there with late sixties, seventies, eighties and.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And you know all of that that Morris Day thing
with the suits and all. You know, that's what's up
that some Orange Juice Jones type stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Going on there. You know, Yeah, that's my good brother too.
You know, do you have pairs of Stacey Adams in
your closet, Big Daddy Kane, No, I do not, Well
you did, though, I bet you did. About the British Walkers,
we got some British of them. Maurice Gator Man myself.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And I know you must have loved whenever it was
time to go to Detroit and Chicago to get to
now and later flavors, you know, Crocodile joints as far
as you know, Gators and all that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, the shoe store there City Slicker, oh, yes.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Sir, yes, sir, and the New York sown aj Lester's,
you know back.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
In the day. You know what I'm saying, All of
that yeah, Yeah, I got glad. Yeah, I'm sorry. I
have a question because I follow you your Instagram and
I noticed that a lot a lot of times you
put up some really really you know, cool videos and
(28:42):
and and pictures about you and your son. Yeah, and
it's you know what I mean, you know what I mean.
I remember and I remember when my kids were that age,
what a wondrous age it is for them, and and
how much you know, I don't know, is there a
(29:04):
Do you feel like you're a different person now than
you were then? Uh? Do you? Do you look at
things differently? Do you enjoy things more, particularly now that
you got you know, you got your young your young
man that you're groom it to share it with absolutely,
(29:24):
you know.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I mean I'm much more mature now and have way
more much responsibilities than I had, you know, when I
was younger. So I definitely see life differently. And he
makes it incredible. He makes it incredible, you know, And
I definitely want to be a good role model for him.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I'm like that with my son, who's much older now,
but I always wanted him to feel comfortable to talk
to me about anything. And I'm sure you're the same way,
is there any questions he asks you about certain videos
and certain things you've done in the past, and you
got to got to put you on the spot, like
you're Ralph Cramton with gonna, I'm gonna im gonna, I'm
gonna yeah, Like, daddy, what.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Was going on here? Daddy?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Na like either this stuff that he didn't know that
I did and he's fascinated by it, or it's stuff
you know, it's like scenes with me and another girl
and he don't want to see it even man.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So here's a question for you that I'm asking pretty
much everyone. I did it on our first show between
Kid and I. Aside from your great bodies of work,
all your music, put that to the side. What's one
record that was done out there by someone else that
you wish you would have done?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah? Uh oh, this is this a lot?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Uh come on baby by Saigon mhm.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Man, what's the fact Joe Joint Nah, the one that
just Blaze did?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Oh oh oh.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I can't remember the name of it off hand, but yeah,
uh uh scarface, keep me down.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
See the thing about you that I just realized asking
you that question, most would probably pick something that was
like a commercial success or sold a whole bunch of
you know, did well. But for you, being a rappers
rapper or mc mcs, your thing would be records that
are real good records. The cats spit on. It was
(31:43):
like they didn't necessarily was radio songs or anything like that.
You know, the first when you first when you named
I never heard of that one before.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
How about this? How about this? How are we? How
do we throw a quick game in here, real quick? Right,
I'll give you. I'm gonna give you a hip hop
contemporary or peer and tell us, tell us the first
word or thought that comes to mind. Okay, Okay, I'm
(32:14):
at the edge of my seat on this one too, right, Okay, yeah,
well this is either going to be a Swiss or
an airball. Okay, all right, but I'm willing to try. Okay,
Chuck D prolific, Marley mal b inventor, mm hm cuji, rap.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Lyrical beasts, black tie, fly tie. What's the best word
I can put it? Someone that's gonna speak his mind.
Mm hmmm, mister magic. Mm hmm, mister magic and the
(33:10):
greatest voice on radio ever.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, ever true? That that's what's up?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
That's I mean when I say that, I'm not just
talking hip hop. I mean when you put him up
against Span Frankie Crocker, No.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
True that, and I was there to bring up Frankie Crocker.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
But master Ace, master Ace is a mastermind.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Mm hmm you definitely agree.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So what's kid? I'm sorry Madonna?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
M hmm, Madonna, wild girl, but a sweetheart, sweetheart, wild girlwart.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right now we can land the plane?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
No, that's that one that the sun be Yo, what's
up with that?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
But so what's next? Man? What's uh? I know you're
still out on the road hopefully and still enjoying this
this journey. But what can we look forward to besides
the documentary?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Well after that we can be doing some merchandise stuff
as well, and you know, probably just some more acting stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You know. Yeah, do you enjoy that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I mean it's it's it's different than the music side.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Well you you already know that. And by the way,
yea man, amazing job and the Temptations brother, right, don't
don't sneeze or you miss me. That was that was
going for like tuesdays.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Nah, but nah, it was a real funny scene because
you your attitude was like you had an attitude like
someone in the fifties or sixties, you know, so you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we are error.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
But I would say this and and and tell me
if if you you agreed, And I know, Play fields
this way as you're getting into the you know, acting
and you know, just branching out what I found is
and I'm sure play feels the same way that this
rap foundation that we have, it helps to prepare you
(35:17):
for it. Now it's not exactly the same, but but
you know, I think being on stage all these years
and all these videos, you know, we're not rookies at it.
You know, it's it's it's a it's a familiar neighborhood.
It was for us, and I'm curious if if it
was that way for you. I mean, you're playing cowboys
(35:38):
and all kinds of stuff, man, like, come on.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Kudos to the law and order.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Uh yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
With with me, I mean, I feel like, you know,
hip hop definitely you you you because of hip hop?
Is it makes it a whole lot easier to remember
your lines. Yeah times, you know, but yeah, but it's like, hmm,
you know, honestly, kid, you have a lot of artists
(36:13):
that portrayal role in music.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So if.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
They they entered into the acting world, you know, the
same thing they do in music. I'm assuming that they
can do in acting, just portraying a different role, but
in music.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Just me, baby, I'm not praying role. This is me,
you know, b K to the fullest. Remember the Latin Quarter?
I know you, well, yeah, so did you we spoke
on that.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
We spoke on that earlier.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I'm sorry I said to answer your question. Yes, me
and Biz did just rhyming with Biz at Latin Quarters.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I was there, Yeah, when the crowd went bananas. I
remember that very well.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah. We tried to describe this atmosphere of places like
the Latin Quarter and Union Square in the late eighties.
You don't understand, like, yeah, it was the wild wild West.
Your life was could be utterly endanger you know. You
could get rushed, you could get bum rushed. You could
perform one week and crush and the next week get booed.
(37:23):
It was. It was a tight rope. It was, but
we loved it. And it's what I think, it's what
toughened us up and and and and helped us. You know,
helped us move on and and at that time, nobody
was nobody was more of a king at the Quarters
or or Union Square or the Roxy. Then you you
(37:45):
mastered all that and came with a with a with
a crew from Brooklyn that was very formidable, let's say.
Matter of fact. Yeah, shout out the hawk dog Pigs.
That's what I was just.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I was just thinking about that dog. I was just
thinking about it dog.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The funny thing about that. And tell me if you
remember this, those same grimmy dudes that would snatching your
jewelry five minutes before they did that, you would see
them on the dance floor.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I was just we're right there, were right there. And
it's like, what about Cutmaster d C. Brooklyn's in the
house certain records that.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
You know, I'm a pause, Oh yeah, that's that's all
the top, top.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Top villain. And it's funny because I was just with Herbie,
you know, about a month ago, and we were reminiscent,
of course, as we all do at this age, and
he was reminding me of when he got at the
Latin Quarter. You know what I'm saying, they surrounded him
and yeah, I was there.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I was there. They knocked us over them. They knocked
us over the little little uh little little balcony, not balcony,
but you know what I mean. They knocked us off
the thing into the dance floor. Everybody went, guess what.
We came back the next week like it wasn't no thing.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
But that's what I was just going to bring up,
where we was there something wrong with us that we
would go ahead and do the same thing the very
next week with the dope you know, with the dopest
gear on. We didn't even care, you know what I'm saying.
There was a lot of close calls.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It's like that commercial like third Pro, like it never happened,
Like you just go right back the next weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Man, I was there for some iconic nights. I was
there the night the Krest and Melly mal battle.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Wow, I was there that night. I missed that one.
Yeah he won? Who won that battle?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
He's yeah, he said the rhyme from poetry, the thing
about the like arrow and Scott as the crossbow say
something now thought.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
So yeah, I was there that night.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I was dead to night when at least twenty Brooklyn
Cats tried to get jam Mass to j for his piece.
I mean, it was just j Hurricane and I think
one more person and they made it out of there
with their jewelry. Salute resting piece to J. But salute
to Jay because he made it out with his jury.
They didn't get him.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, I I've just seen Hurricane, like like last night
he came out to La. Oh. Yeah, Hollis crew. Hollis crew.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
They did three of them, fought, they asked off and
kept like twenty.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
But see, all of that stuff was exciting. I mean,
I put myself lived for it. I couldn't wait to,
you know, to the next one in spite of whatever
was about to go down. But I remember going to
Harlem World and all those rap contests or awards that
they would have, and man, put your life on the
line by going down there in the subway.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
To make it home.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
It's like that that was just everything, you know what
I'm saying, to just make it home with your shoes
still on your feet, with your sleekers and stuff, you know,
sheep skin and all.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
No.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
I was just telling my man manifest about me and
Biz coming home from three seventy one on the train
home with the little little bs money that we made
from Mike and Dave back and you know this is
like eighty eighty five.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Mike and Dave.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Oh my goodness. You know what, how about this before
we before we bounced? We would be remiss if if
it didn't ask for maybe one one little extra anecdote
or moment that you experienced with Biz Marquee, the late Great.
(41:53):
You know we've all had contact with but I think
your contact and experience with him was at way more depth.
And you know, if there's something you'd like to to
h to pass on to our viewers and listeners because
he was he was a special person. I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
There's been many times in interviews people say what would
you be doing if you wasn't rapping?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And who cares? I'm rapping.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I made a career, So I don't really know how
to answer that, you know, But when I've seen them
close the lid on their coffin, that's the first time
I ever really thought about it, and I saw my
entire life flash before my face. First time ever that
really really really thought about it.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, what what? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
What?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
What? Am I a whole other way? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
No, I saw myself, I saw myself working for Yo
L Judah Zam's father doing the construction stuff, my delivering fruit,
going up to Hunts Point Market and then getting the
fruit and putting on the truck and coming back to
Brooklyn giving it the different fruit stands. I saw myself
(43:14):
in the fish market cleaning fish. All that happened just
like that.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Those are all jobs you really had, yes, yes, like
you know.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
And and then other little stuff that I did on
the street. I mean, I'm seeing all this stuff, like, damn,
where would I be without this dude?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Mm hmm. And I got the first time it ever
really hit me. I know.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
That's what kid thinks about me all the time, you know,
And I keep telling him, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Man, I really I can't wait to close the cap.
Get on you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. This is called and this
is called the fun house anyway, yo. With so much,
so much yeah, shut up, with so much love and admiration.
We want to thank you for stopping through. And yo, man,
(44:10):
nothing but love. I owe you one and appreciate you.
Man and God blessed. Happy birthday again. The son, the missus,
the family salute flowers.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
This is.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
And scene. Hmm, all right, that was pretty dope.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Oh he was, Yeah, he was. He's a great guest.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
That was pretty dope. So anyway, you know what, kind
of speechless but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, no, I'm trying. All right, no, all right, yeah, yeah,
you're you're e're up next.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, it's with the playlist. But you know, I just
wanted to maybe reflect a little bit. Maybe we could
go into that, We could go into that when we
get into what we learned today or from this episode
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
No, no, no, no, go ahead. It's it's it's it's
it's on the it's on our minds, it's on your mind.
This this guy. I mean, I mean I remember, I
remember back in the days when we would you know,
when we came across Cane and would do shows with Caine.
Like he was a different dude back then, you know
(45:17):
what I mean. He sounded and he moved, and his
energy to be the best rapper in the city. It
had that now, but I know he was. He was
chucking fish and delivering packages and shit like that, you
know what I mean. So his that's why he always
had that urgency. I was like, I'm not going back
(45:38):
to that. I'm not going back to that. You know.
I'm sure you remember the guy had an intention. We
wasn't with that way back then.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
From my perspective, there was always a respected mystery about him.
I was fortunate enough to do a show to one day,
I may go ahead and put out the footage on
Architects of Hip Hop, where we really would into his life.
But you know a lot of people, you know, I'lbie Square, Mall, Brooklyn,
that whole thing, you know, and some of the names
(46:08):
he just mentioned that. I was a little surprised that
he did. You know, these these these cats was was real,
you know what I'm saying. And Cain was either with
them or associated with them, So right off the bat,
people would think he was about that life. But yeah,
to find out, like I did, we all did having jobs.
I did construction, I did Burger King McDonald's, I was
(46:29):
a bank I worked in a bank, did all this stuff.
Finally an Avis rent a car to finally get my
life on track. But it's just interesting to hear, and
I'm sure that'd be a blessing to others to hear. Now,
we we worked before we before things happened. It wasn't
no overnight success, you know, I think.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
We're way better at this than we were at any
of those jobs.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Well if we knew that was because you were going
to be a lawyer. So that was one thing I
can see you. Yeah, of course who wanted what we
considered to be regular jobs. But I've had good paths.
I worked for UPS. When he says the thing with
you know, with Busy talking about the vapors, you know,
and the fact that when he talks about TJ. Swad
(47:12):
and working for UPS.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
That was me.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I did that as well. But we all had jobs.
But it's interesting to note that, you know, everybody had
the same kind of paths. You know, you you worked
at what's the tennis joint? You was at the US Open.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I worked at the US Open for every summer for
like four summers in the room. And that's how I
that's how I paid for college.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And weren't you at the shelter working at the shelter
at one time with your father?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, my father got me a job working at a
shelter in Brooklyn and Vetstye Sumner House and I did that,
and I did that and then this nice city job
that I got I quit because.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, I mean I remember the money we were making.
When I worked for UPS, that was big money for me,
you know, even the construction job and down on Wall Street,
that was big legal money. I started making legal right.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I tried UPS, but they fired me after that first month,
you know, like you got to get past that first month. Yeah,
I was. I was loading the trucks, and I was
I had to load four trucks from like three thirty
in the morning to seven thirty in the morning, and
I was, I was throwing these boxes in the wrong
truck truck and the drivers were cussing me out, and
(48:30):
that then they had to go to college. I had
to go to school after that at seven thirty in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
So yeah, I was a loader, and then I worked
my way up to a driver and ended up putting
me a lot of worse, putting me in one of
the worst areas ever in New York, red Red Hook projects,
you know, where the elevators weren't working. I had to
take the stairs all of that kind of stuff and
maybe get get get caught out there.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
But yeah, that was interesting interesting to hear.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah. Yeah, and viewers, viewers, listeners, Yeah, tell us about
the most fucked up jobs that you had when you
were coming up on your way.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
To what you really you know, right, yeah, let us
know those Let us know those jobs. You know what
I'm saying, what's that show? They used to come back
job jobs nobody else wanted to do, you know. So anyway,
I'm gonna get to the playlists, And what the playlist
is about is movies that I have watched or in
this case, plan to watch in regards to that inspire me,
(49:31):
encourage me. I've learned stuff from it, not only just
learning techniques and filmmaking, but also just learned something period.
And the piece that I want to share is call
The Bizarre of Black Hollywood. It's a documentary film chronicling
the early life and career of African American filmmaker Oscar.
Now help me with this, kid, because I was show
(49:55):
I was correct in my head, I was correct.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I wasn't sure year kind of a French or New
Orleans kind of vibe. Right.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
So it's directed by Bayar Mack, and it's about Oscar Mischu.
He was a towering figure even by today's standards. He
was not only America's prominent black filmmaker for three decades,
but also the country's most prolific, having directed and produced
(50:25):
twenty two silent movies and fifteen talking pictures during his
illustrious yet tumultuous career. The Bizarre Black Hollywood uses an
archival film, photos, illustrations, and music to weave a compelling
narrative of him and his early life with his productions
and all of that good stuff. So I haven't seen
(50:47):
it yet. I came across it as I was looking
for things to share, and I was like, wow, I
need to peep this. So that's something that we could
all not literally watch together, but if y'all check it out,
I'll check it out, and maybe you want to get
at me in our messages and let us know what
you think and I could share the same.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
So that's it.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
The Black the Czar of Black Hollywood. That's what I
want to check out and peep and let's see what
how we feel about it.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
No, no, no, I'm I'm very unfamiliar with the Oscar
me show.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
He was.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
He was a giant at that particular time in Hollywood,
and you know, definitely somebody that was the foundation for
you know, black filmmakers to come. Yeah, all right, so
all right, I got I got, I kind of got
a problem here as we get to the segment that
(51:40):
nobody's talking about. Just kidding, that's my that's my segment
right after the playlist. That's how you know that it's coming,
so you can cringe, all right, all right? So this
is this is uh, this is something that that I'm
still gathering information about. Uh. It's something on HBO. It's
(52:05):
called Chimp Crazy. Chimp dude.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
We've been at hotels lately and that thing, you know,
HBO is on the cable thing in the rooms, and
this thing just this, this piece, it's been coming up. No,
it's just been I you know, I watched a little
bit of it and didn't do anything for me. But
they are definitely pushing it on HBO. But go ahead,
please continue.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Okay, all right, So those those of you that aren't familiar, uh,
this show, Chimp Crazy chronicles the life of I'm gonna say, tonya,
Tonya haddocks. Is this a woman? This is a chick?
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:41):
It is, all right, who hid the ape for months
after ordered her to give him up? Does does that sound? Yeah?
Remember yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:50):
I mean the way it opens is like me speaking
on the playlist, is about how she got introduced to
and became obsessed, treating him like she She even breast
fed the the ape that's in discussion here. You know,
literally where you get a chimp?
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Where do you get the chimp? From? What she did?
She steal the chimp?
Speaker 1 (53:13):
She I guess, I guess you got to watch it.
They did get into that. I just don't remember at
this time. But it was as a little baby, I think, no, no, no, no, no,
she had it as a little a little baby.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Really, that's like what do they call that? You know,
when the what's that term they used when when you're
selling animals on the load that you're not supposed to
be selling.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I can't remember that.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
I mean, it's a it's a real you know. It
kind of reminded me of that. Yeah yeah, yeah, black
market or yeah, all of that. But uh yeah, So
I don't know that much about it to speak on.
I just know that every time I went to HBO
it was on, it was she led on the on
the on the door when it was when it was
a little baby. Yeah, I don't know if it was her,
(54:06):
because I think she was grandparented into it. I think
it was her mother that did it, and the chimp
in her grew up as children, you know her, So
I think that's what happened. I think she grew up
with the chimp and that's how her mother took care
of him. So he was like a brother to her,
you know. I think that's what Howard went. Hey, those
(54:29):
folks HBO doing it.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Okay, yeah, you know that's the idea. So check out
Chimp Crazy and we'll all cringe together. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
So did you learn anything today?
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Well, you know I learned that. Well, I can't say
I learned it. I already knew that, you know, that
Big Day came would be a great guest, and which
he was, you know, gracing us with his uh, with
his lyricism and his presence and some of these great
stories from yesteryear. Uh. So you know, I learned, but
(55:06):
I kind of knew already. I had the Geat codes,
I had clip notes, if you will. But yeah, yeah,
we're getting guests, man, people are starting to return our calls.
We really appreciate this, all the guests that we reach
out to. Yes, we're so glad that you calling us back. Yes,
(55:26):
we'll give you play numbers, one of his many numbers,
so you can call im.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
Big shout out to uh, all the listeners and all
the viewers. We're gonna keep coming with fun as Kid
laughs his way into us ending this show. But YO,
we're having fun with this.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
Fun out.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
It's a it's a
Speaker 2 (55:58):
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