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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Chipatterson of CBS Sports dot Com, CBS Sports Network, and
the Cover three podcast Chippy Chip back with us for
a Football Friday conversation. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Chip?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I could not make this up.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I will tell this to you because I think you
can appreciate it, and I'm sure that some portion of
your listening audience can as well or has memories of it.
But I mentioned to you that we had the Christmas
program earlier today.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
That means Christmas break starts, and so of course at.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Five twenty my three year old has just thrown up.
So Christmas breaks off to a roar and start.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Cause it be like that sometimes.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Wow, Oh no, I know, I get it, buddy.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You know, one in the family's going to get it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Like by the time, like from the end to when
you're going back at the beginning of the new year,
someone in your family's going.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
To get bitten by the bug.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You just hope to contain the pestilence to make sure
it doesn't spread, especially close to the twenty two.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh my household just finally kicked it all out the
door this week.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Chip.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about you because
we went through it over the last week. So God
bless you, buddyppreciate you for making the time still and yes, good,
we'll make it efficient. Alabama Oklahoma tonight. You know this
is we've seen this, this this game already once this year.
Oklahoma got the best of Alabama. We got some key
injuries tonight. But these are two heavyweight programs going at
(01:16):
it in the first round of the playoff on a
Friday night. What are your general expectations.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, I do lean with the general expectation that we
have with this being you know, among the lowest totals
you know, in college football playoff history, small sample size
just the last you know, eleven twelve years or so.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But still, we've got two defense that we got it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oklahoma defense is really good.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We've got two offenses that have you know, they just
kind of do enough to get it done.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
That's not what we thought was going to be the
case when Ty Simpson started with twenty touchdowns to just
one interception to start the year. But I mean that
Alabama offense hasn't scored thirty points against an FBS opponent since.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Mid October, So I mean, are.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
They going to be able to flip a switch playing
on the road at night against Brent Vinnable is one
of the best defenses in the country. Like, that's kind
of where the matchup hinges. I will say, from like
a conversation narrative standpoint, I'm glad that you mentioned like
proud program, blue blood heavyweight because it's also a little
bit of an anxiety bowl because Oklahoma and Alabama fans
(02:18):
have a standard and they know what it should look like.
And I think that Oklahoma and Alabama fans both look
at their team and can honestly say, we probably can't
win the national championship, like we probably don't have what
it takes to be able to win this whole thing.
But I'll tell you what Alabama and Oklahoma fans definitely
don't want to be. It's the very first team eliminated
(02:39):
from the College Football Playoff, right, I Mean, this is
one of those games where it is it is you
want to win, but man, you really don't want to
lose because sort of the egg on the face of
an SEC national championship winning and contending program that would
be that would almost be the embarrassment, that would be
(02:59):
a more pat than whatever the joy would be from winning.
So a little bit of an anxiety ball at Norman,
Oklahoma tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I get that. I mean, who wins the quarterback battle
in this game? Who which quarterback would you put money
on to play better tonight?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think that Tyle Simpson, if he's healthy, gives you
a better chance with the downfield passing game. I think
he sees it better. I think he throws it better.
I think he's got more good weapons. But I do
think that the escapability and the mobility of John Mattier
could end up being the reason Oklahoma wins. So if
we just talking individual performance, I'll take Tyle Simpson and
(03:34):
think he doesn't turn the ball over quite like he
did against the Sooners last time out.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
But if you want to say who has a.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Bigger impact on the game, I think that might be
John Mattier.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, fair enough. Let me pause on the playoff for
a quick second, because I just double checked the screen
a minute ago. Right now in C State is just
whooping Memphis in the Gasparilla Bowl thirty one to seven.
This will be a nice exclamation point for Dave Dorn
and company to end the season with eight wins. He's
coming back, as you and I discussed a couple of
times throughout the course of the year.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
We know that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now, just your thoughts on the immediate future of NC
State football.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I mean it's gonna be on whether or not they
can get CJ. Bailey on the twenty twenty six roster.
I mean, that's that's the thing is that I cannot
watch this game without seeing the plays he's making in
the first half, but then also seeing the hits.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That he's taken. Now that memphis Is defense has just
decided they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Blitz on every down, which, by the way, interim skeleton
coaching staff, they're down by a bunch. They've decided they're
gonna blitz, and I'm like, hey, NC State, let's go
max protect and not give DJ any reasons.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
To go ahead and run out.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
He's he has taken some shots here in the second
half of this football game.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
But it's kind of kind of made.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Me be like, oh, let's let's maybe let's see what
Will Wilson wants to do for the rest of the game.
But uh yeah, I mean the outlook is good, and
I do think that for Dave, who had lost five
Trait Bowl games, right, I mean, that's that had been
something that had been nagging NC State fans.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
He would take you from the high a beating North
Carolina and then you kind.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Of take this big drop after not getting a bowl
win to be able to be an exclamation point on
the season. If they're able to, you know, play out
these last what are we looking at like nine and
a half minutes, be able to have a similar score
like this, maybe tack on one more, just a dominant
bowl win against a competitive team, even if it is
from the American without its head coach.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I do think that that's a good thing. But you know,
this is modern college football. When you got a player
of CJ about.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Bailey's talent after the season that he had, Yeah, it
has to be all focused on whether that's old, whatever
it's going to take, and then either finding another quarterback
if not, or.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Making sure that he's gotten up pieces to be successful
if he is.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Chip Patterson cbssports dot com, Cover three podcasts Hanging out
with us here on a Friday. What did you think
of Nick Saban yesterday on the McAfee show comparing to
Lane and James Madison being in the playoff to allowing
the triple A champion of minor league baseball to participate
in the World Series. The gist is for anybody who
didn't see it. Nick does not believe that the group
of five belongs in the college football Playoff. Any thoughts
(06:07):
on that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I did.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
This is the first time I truly missed it, so
I can't I can't speak to.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
The full comment.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I disagree. I kind of think that once you've expanded
beyond four, we've widened the field so much that the
product is already cheapened, you.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Know, and then at that point, I'd rather go back.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
To competitive integrity or just the idea of a national championship.
And I you know, if you're going to make it
this big and we're going to be arguing about teams
of two and three losses, then I don't want to
have I don't want to take the next steps of saying, well,
you got to have this kind of roster or you
got to have this kind of power rating, because I mean, Kyle,
(06:54):
at that point is just a dead ball. Right. If
your daddy has this much money and you're this pretty
and you joined this sorority, well then yeah you can
go and you can participate in this invitational. And like
I just that's that to me is uh, it is
extremely disappointing because I've heard people say, but you know,
(07:15):
if you let conference champions in, you're gonna have these
wild points.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Spreads, and I'm like, yeah, who cares.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It's like, well, well then no one will watch. And
I'm like, well, are you a television executive, because I mean,
the players for James Madison, the coaches, the staff, the
players for Tulane, the coaches, the staffs, their families like
they're having an all time moment right now. So yeah,
excuse me if I'd rather see that than the sixth
(07:42):
best team from the SEC or the fifth best team
from the Big Ten. So I just I disagree with
the notion. Again, I did not hear his comments specifically,
but if we've gotten this playoff too big already where
they're more of the field than not, I just don't
think have a chance to win at all.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And so for that reason, I would.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Rather take teams that have won championships than the fifth
or sixth.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Best team from a bigger conference.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Okay, so then those two games, those two teams. James
Madison is a twenty and a half point favorite in
Eugene to Lane A seventeen and a half point favorite
in Oxford more likely to cover who is it?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Tulane?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And I know they got smokes first first go round,
but I do think that there is there's enough of
a chance that, given the chaos around ole Miss, that
that could be something that plays a little bit into
the Green Waves favor. But you'll be able to tell
early because when Jake rehttslast played against ole Miss in
(08:43):
Week four, he was oh for his first nine pass attempts,
finished five for seventeen for fifty six yards, and was
benched for Brendan Sullivan. And I just have to think
that was his fourth game, like his seventh week with
the program total, and after a full season and thinking
(09:05):
about the mobility and what he can do with his legs,
let two Lane start to make Pete golden sweat and
let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I mean, this is an old Miss team that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Has a lot of LSU faches on it, and probably,
if we're being honest, Kyle has some future LSU players
on it too. I got to imagine it's.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Been a unique couple of weeks. And that ain't even
just about Lane, Kiffin Leavin.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I mean, everybody the fourteen old Miss staffers are following
him to LSU. Heck, you got three LSU staffers that
are about to go join Pete Golden staff at ole
Miss next year. There's enough chaos going on that I
think the talent gap gap might be able to be
lessons And I also think that there are lessons that
John summerl can learn from the first meeting that can
(09:50):
benefit them. For James Madison, it's your first time playing Oregon.
It's your first time feeling what it's going to be
like when that team hits the end Austin Stadium in Eugene.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So I would say that the.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Short trip from New Orleans to Oxford, the chaos around
both of the programs might get too lane a fighting.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Chance, all right, Last thing, real quick. If you're Ohio
State awaiting your opponent in the Cotton Bowl, who would
you rather see Texas A and m or Miami?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I think I would rather play Miami. No, no, no,
hold on.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think I would rather play Miami because when you've
got that kind of when you've got that kind of
turnover potential, especially when they face pressure, I think that
that's where since Carson Beck doesn't have the escapability of
Marcel Reid. I think that I would rather be able
(10:40):
to take my Ohio State defenders and let them kee
off against Beck as opposed to read. But I kind
of think the buck guys they're gonna have some a
chip on their shoulders. I think the first game that
they play against Miami or Texas A and M might
be one of their best of the College Football Playoff
in terms of I'm expecting dominant like, I think that
(11:00):
they will be absolutely capital o on capital I it
from the kickoff, just based on the way that things
ended in the lost to Indiana.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Chip, Merry Christmas to you and yours. Go take care
of those babies and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
My friend, Merry Christmas back Ash just sounds good.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Y'all be well,
Chipatterson of CBS Sports dot Com, CBS Sports Network, and
the Cover three podcast Chippy Chip back with us for
a Football Friday conversation. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Chip?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I could not make this up.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I will tell this to you because I think you
can appreciate it, and I'm sure that some portion of
your listening audience can as well or has memories of it.
But I mentioned to you that we had the Christmas
program earlier today.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
That means Christmas break starts, and so of course at.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Five twenty my three year old has just thrown up.
So Christmas breaks off to a roar and start.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Cause it be like that sometimes.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Wow, Oh no, I know, I get it, buddy.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You know, one in the family's going to get it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Like by the time, like from the end to when
you're going back at the beginning of the new year,
someone in your family's going.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
To get bitten by the bug.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You just hope to contain the pestilence to make sure
it doesn't spread, especially close to the twenty two.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh my household just finally kicked it all out the
door this week.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Chip.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about you because
we went through it over the last week. So God
bless you, buddyppreciate you for making the time still and yes, good,
we'll make it efficient. Alabama Oklahoma tonight. You know this
is we've seen this, this this game already once this year.
Oklahoma got the best of Alabama. We got some key
injuries tonight. But these are two heavyweight programs going at
(01:16):
it in the first round of the playoff on a
Friday night. What are your general expectations.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, I do lean with the general expectation that we
have with this being you know, among the lowest totals
you know, in college football playoff history, small sample size
just the last you know, eleven twelve years or so.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But still, we've got two defense that we got it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oklahoma defense is really good.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We've got two offenses that have you know, they just
kind of do enough to get it done.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
That's not what we thought was going to be the
case when Ty Simpson started with twenty touchdowns to just
one interception to start the year. But I mean that
Alabama offense hasn't scored thirty points against an FBS opponent since.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Mid October, So I mean, are.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
They going to be able to flip a switch playing
on the road at night against Brent Vinnable is one
of the best defenses in the country. Like, that's kind
of where the matchup hinges. I will say, from like
a conversation narrative standpoint, I'm glad that you mentioned like
proud program, blue blood heavyweight because it's also a little
bit of an anxiety bowl because Oklahoma and Alabama fans
(02:18):
have a standard and they know what it should look like.
And I think that Oklahoma and Alabama fans both look
at their team and can honestly say, we probably can't
win the national championship, like we probably don't have what
it takes to be able to win this whole thing.
But I'll tell you what Alabama and Oklahoma fans definitely
don't want to be. It's the very first team eliminated
(02:39):
from the College Football Playoff, right, I Mean, this is
one of those games where it is it is you
want to win, but man, you really don't want to
lose because sort of the egg on the face of
an SEC national championship winning and contending program that would
be that would almost be the embarrassment, that would be
(02:59):
a more pat than whatever the joy would be from winning.
So a little bit of an anxiety ball at Norman,
Oklahoma tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I get that. I mean, who wins the quarterback battle
in this game? Who which quarterback would you put money
on to play better tonight?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think that Tyle Simpson, if he's healthy, gives you
a better chance with the downfield passing game. I think
he sees it better. I think he throws it better.
I think he's got more good weapons. But I do
think that the escapability and the mobility of John Mattier
could end up being the reason Oklahoma wins. So if
we just talking individual performance, I'll take Tyle Simpson and
(03:34):
think he doesn't turn the ball over quite like he
did against the Sooners last time out.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
But if you want to say who has a.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Bigger impact on the game, I think that might be
John Mattier.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, fair enough. Let me pause on the playoff for
a quick second, because I just double checked the screen
a minute ago. Right now in C State is just
whooping Memphis in the Gasparilla Bowl thirty one to seven.
This will be a nice exclamation point for Dave Dorn
and company to end the season with eight wins. He's
coming back, as you and I discussed a couple of
times throughout the course of the year.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
We know that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now, just your thoughts on the immediate future of NC
State football.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I mean it's gonna be on whether or not they
can get CJ. Bailey on the twenty twenty six roster.
I mean, that's that's the thing is that I cannot
watch this game without seeing the plays he's making in
the first half, but then also seeing the hits.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That he's taken. Now that memphis Is defense has just
decided they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Blitz on every down, which, by the way, interim skeleton
coaching staff, they're down by a bunch. They've decided they're
gonna blitz, and I'm like, hey, NC State, let's go
max protect and not give DJ any reasons.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
To go ahead and run out.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
He's he has taken some shots here in the second
half of this football game.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
But it's kind of kind of made.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Me be like, oh, let's let's maybe let's see what
Will Wilson wants to do for the rest of the game.
But uh yeah, I mean the outlook is good, and
I do think that for Dave, who had lost five
Trait Bowl games, right, I mean, that's that had been
something that had been nagging NC State fans.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
He would take you from the high a beating North
Carolina and then you kind.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Of take this big drop after not getting a bowl
win to be able to be an exclamation point on
the season. If they're able to, you know, play out
these last what are we looking at like nine and
a half minutes, be able to have a similar score
like this, maybe tack on one more, just a dominant
bowl win against a competitive team, even if it is
from the American without its head coach.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I do think that that's a good thing. But you know,
this is modern college football. When you got a player
of CJ about.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Bailey's talent after the season that he had, Yeah, it
has to be all focused on whether that's old, whatever
it's going to take, and then either finding another quarterback
if not, or.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Making sure that he's gotten up pieces to be successful
if he is.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Chip Patterson cbssports dot com, Cover three podcasts Hanging out
with us here on a Friday. What did you think
of Nick Saban yesterday on the McAfee show comparing to
Lane and James Madison being in the playoff to allowing
the triple A champion of minor league baseball to participate
in the World Series. The gist is for anybody who
didn't see it. Nick does not believe that the group
of five belongs in the college football Playoff. Any thoughts
(06:07):
on that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I did.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
This is the first time I truly missed it, so
I can't I can't speak to.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
The full comment.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I disagree. I kind of think that once you've expanded
beyond four, we've widened the field so much that the
product is already cheapened, you.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Know, and then at that point, I'd rather go back.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
To competitive integrity or just the idea of a national championship.
And I you know, if you're going to make it
this big and we're going to be arguing about teams
of two and three losses, then I don't want to
have I don't want to take the next steps of saying, well,
you got to have this kind of roster or you
got to have this kind of power rating, because I mean, Kyle,
(06:54):
at that point is just a dead ball. Right. If
your daddy has this much money and you're this pretty
and you joined this sorority, well then yeah you can
go and you can participate in this invitational. And like
I just that's that to me is uh, it is
extremely disappointing because I've heard people say, but you know,
(07:15):
if you let conference champions in, you're gonna have these
wild points.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Spreads, and I'm like, yeah, who cares.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It's like, well, well then no one will watch. And
I'm like, well, are you a television executive, because I mean,
the players for James Madison, the coaches, the staff, the
players for Tulane, the coaches, the staffs, their families like
they're having an all time moment right now. So yeah,
excuse me if I'd rather see that than the sixth
(07:42):
best team from the SEC or the fifth best team
from the Big Ten. So I just I disagree with
the notion. Again, I did not hear his comments specifically,
but if we've gotten this playoff too big already where
they're more of the field than not, I just don't
think have a chance to win at all.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And so for that reason, I would.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Rather take teams that have won championships than the fifth
or sixth.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Best team from a bigger conference.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Okay, so then those two games, those two teams. James
Madison is a twenty and a half point favorite in
Eugene to Lane A seventeen and a half point favorite
in Oxford more likely to cover who is it?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Tulane?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And I know they got smokes first first go round,
but I do think that there is there's enough of
a chance that, given the chaos around ole Miss, that
that could be something that plays a little bit into
the Green Waves favor. But you'll be able to tell
early because when Jake rehttslast played against ole Miss in
(08:43):
Week four, he was oh for his first nine pass attempts,
finished five for seventeen for fifty six yards, and was
benched for Brendan Sullivan. And I just have to think
that was his fourth game, like his seventh week with
the program total, and after a full season and thinking
(09:05):
about the mobility and what he can do with his legs,
let two Lane start to make Pete golden sweat and
let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I mean, this is an old Miss team that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Has a lot of LSU faches on it, and probably,
if we're being honest, Kyle has some future LSU players
on it too. I got to imagine it's.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Been a unique couple of weeks. And that ain't even
just about Lane, Kiffin Leavin.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I mean, everybody the fourteen old Miss staffers are following
him to LSU. Heck, you got three LSU staffers that
are about to go join Pete Golden staff at ole
Miss next year. There's enough chaos going on that I
think the talent gap gap might be able to be
lessons And I also think that there are lessons that
John summerl can learn from the first meeting that can
(09:50):
benefit them. For James Madison, it's your first time playing Oregon.
It's your first time feeling what it's going to be
like when that team hits the end Austin Stadium in Eugene.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So I would say that the.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Short trip from New Orleans to Oxford, the chaos around
both of the programs might get too lane a fighting.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Chance, all right, Last thing, real quick. If you're Ohio
State awaiting your opponent in the Cotton Bowl, who would
you rather see Texas A and m or Miami?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I think I would rather play Miami. No, no, no,
hold on.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think I would rather play Miami because when you've
got that kind of when you've got that kind of
turnover potential, especially when they face pressure, I think that
that's where since Carson Beck doesn't have the escapability of
Marcel Reid. I think that I would rather be able
(10:40):
to take my Ohio State defenders and let them kee
off against Beck as opposed to read. But I kind
of think the buck guys they're gonna have some a
chip on their shoulders. I think the first game that
they play against Miami or Texas A and M might
be one of their best of the College Football Playoff
in terms of I'm expecting dominant like, I think that
(11:00):
they will be absolutely capital o on capital I it
from the kickoff, just based on the way that things
ended in the lost to Indiana.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Chip, Merry Christmas to you and yours. Go take care
of those babies and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
My friend, Merry Christmas back Ash just sounds good.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Y'all be well,
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Betrayal Weekly is back for a brand new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-4 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.