July 23, 2025 • 43 mins
In the show's opening hour, Kyle talks to Syracuse HC Fran Brown for ACC Kickoff, and Kyle looks at some of the reports from the opening day of Panthers training camp down the road.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Queen City Sports Radio ninety two seven w
f n Z Live from ACC kickoff here at the
Hilton in Uptown. It's day number two of the event,
day number one of our live broadcasts here today and
tomorrow celebrating what we hope, I guess, or what we're
told is the triumphant return of Atlantic Coast Conference football.
(00:46):
We got a big schedule, come in your way. As
a matter of fact, we open up the show here momentarily.
I'm not quite sure how momentarily, but in just a
minute or five. Well, we'll chat with Fran Brown, the
head football coach of the Iracuse Orange. But most importantly
to our guy, Smoke Ludwig, who was back in the
Chandler vaulta WFNZ Studios one call. That's all CV Injury
(01:09):
Law dot com. We have Fran Brown, not just Syracuse
head coach, but Smoke. What else is Fran Brown? What
is Fran Brown to you?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A legend of the Western Carolina Catamounts football program. Was
on the team in two thousand and four when they
defeated Appalachian State and he got the kiss the Old
Mountain Jug.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
So that's the main part.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And he also beat Furman in two thousand and five,
which was a massive upset.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, by the way, that was not me that snickered
Flounder turned on his microphone.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
He's engineering.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Flounder turned on his microphone just to snicker at you
when you said that.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It just amazes me how he I mean, he knows
everything about Western Carolina from the early two thousands. It's
yet another thing that's in the smoke handbook of things
that he knows that you don't think he should now win.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, I was at that game.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So you were at the four game for the Old
Mountain Jug. Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Really? My grandma's had season tickets forever. My brother was
like eleven months old. My mom had to go to
the park. Western Carolina was down two touchdowns. Looked like
two or three minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Okay, well on a time out because we got to
just cycle him in here like he got here and
like I think he already is kind of up to speed.
Fran Brown, head football coach of the Syracuse aren't here
with us. You're on in Charlotte right now, by the way,
So you know that's what's up. It's good to see.
I've been looking forward to this since they put you
on my schedule. A couple of days ago. We got
a guy back in the studio, my producer, right, so
we're hearing Charlotte. You know, the Catamounts don't get a
ton of run here in the Queens City, but because
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of this guy, they get more than they probably would
any other way.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
We appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I mean, this is a die hard Western Carolina fan,
and every time I mentioned your name on the air,
he makes sure to remind the audience that you are
Catamount proud.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Fran Brown, head coach at Syracuse.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Absolutely, I mean it's a lot. I think I heard
y'all talking about the at State game. Oh four yeah,
four yeah, four at Western Carolina.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah is that? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (02:51):
He was there for that game at Western Carolina. So listen,
before we played them that week before, they was on
a tear right. They had this kid named Devon Falkes
was re either like led the country. Yeah, the week
before they played us, he had twenty two catches for
like two hundred and seventy some yards. Seriously, he was killing.
The quarterback was Richie Williams. I mean you remember that
they was on the run. They was beating everybody. Yeah,
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they came and played as we ended up beating them.
I asked the coach, let me stick him, and I
was like, let me stick him. I got to stick
him everywhere. He had four catches for thirty two yards.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Really, you shut it down, you clamped him on.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
I literally did. That's the only thing I will talk
about that day.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
I strapped him that day, right, really shut him down,
and he had four for thirty two and we ended
up beating him. We ended up winning. They tore the
gold post down, threw it in the river. It was
wild that night. It was pretty cool to be able
to play against them, though. It was good. Then the
next year up there at app State they beat the
brakes off of us.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I'm talking about that, well, yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
It was pretty cool playing against Yeah, they do.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Like how much I'm sure you remember plenty about your
playing days, but like, what do you treasure the most
from those days back at you know, in college playing
at Western Carolina, relationships.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
Yeah, I got to see Lamar Barnes, who was a
captain with me the other day. One of my brothers
was going through something. He called me on the phone
the other night. Late called him the next morning. Just
talking to those dudes. Man, you know, I'm just still
the relationships and letting them know I'm the same dude.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
They needs something made me up, like let's talk like
let's be there for each other, right, Let's pray.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
For each other, be around each other.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
So just some relationships, man, and just for me from
up north coming all the way to Western Carolina.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Man, those dudes accepted me with open arms.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
From South Carolina and North Carolina and Charlotte my boys,
and Charlotte wants to sell them just everywhere Durham like man,
everybody accepted me with open arms, and their families did.
So I was able to go and just being around
with everybody. And that meant a lot to me to
be able to come down here. So Western Carolina and
Catamounta will forever have a special place in my heart.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So I guess was that the place where the seeds
were planted where Hey, I'm going to be a head
coach One day when did that happen for you?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
No, that wasn't man, that wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
I was going to the league. I was getting yeah, yeah,
thing going.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
It was just getting the opportunity to do it right,
just after getting cut from playing the league and then
getting a chance to just start working kids out, not
really knowing.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
No, I'll go to college.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
We all got an education, but I didn't get to
go work in my field, my criminal justice major.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
So trying to figure out what to do.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
And then I was watching people that were in a
head coach position. I'm like, oh, if he could do it, yeah,
I'm doing that.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Nah. I focused literally like this is what I want
to do. I'm going that way. That's my route.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I'm going that way, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, and I was just looking back over your resume here,
Fran Brown, head coach at Syracuse with US here live
on radio row Simple Baylor, Rutgers, Georgia. Obviously before you
got the job. Shane Biemer, South Carolina is a friend
of mine. I've known it for a long time and he,
you know, his resume and leading up to his first
head coaching job was really impressive. I look at the
places you've been, the guys that you've worked for, Like,
you know how much were you molded at those places?
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And you know what stands out in terms was you
know that's shaping you into the coach you are today.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
One thing that took a little from everybody.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Yeah, naturally, But of course, honestly, I'm just myself. I
think I was elite recruiting on every one of the
staffs or wherever I was, it was always the best
guy on the staff when the comic and recruiting.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 6 (06:08):
By the way, because I'm myself just like us sitting
here talking, you feel comfortable.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Understanding I know who I am. So I'm not trying
to impress anybody. I'm just being myself consistently in that.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
It's just pretty cool, funny, how simple that is.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Right, I mean, it's the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
A lot of guys.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
I watch so many people try to be everybody else
and it doesn't work for them, and then they try
to switch back to themselves. Now, people think you being fake, right,
but that's all alone.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
That's who you are, right.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, Guys who don't get like being you twenty four
to seven is actually a benefit to you, like just
being yourself.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
All the time, absolutely, you know, just all the time,
just always being myself.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I'm gonna go back to the off season because I've
been you know, beating the drum for years. I'm a
diehard college football fan. I've always wanted to have you know,
preseason kind of like you know, not just scrimmages. But
you know, I think your idea was you and Dion
were talking about the spring game and getting together. I've
loved that idea. Why do you think there's so much
push back to that? Why do you think that they
don't it was new? Yeah, I wasn't sure how to
do it.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
What was going to be the benefits that was everyone
going to get the same opportunity, Yeah, to go and
do it, And since some people had already been done
with their fifteen games things of that nature, they just
didn't want to push it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Okay, that makes sense. Fran Brown, Syracuse with us here
on Radio Ros. Let's talk about your team with ten
and three last year. Really, you know, just a football
team that I thought was really fun to watch. I mean,
what did you what were you most proud of last
year with that team? Every years different. What were your
most proud of? This is how they came together. They
all listened to everything that I wanted to get done.
Me growing through the losses, right, me being there for
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them and during the losses, showing them why we lost
and being able to understand and know that a lot
of it was because of the coaching, not the players, right,
So just being able to teach them that do that.
The big Miami win last year, Like, how big was
that for your program? That Like, I know they're all
supposed to weigh the same, but like some wins are
different than others, right.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, come back and everything else.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I mean, it was good. It was great.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
It showed them that we can overcome adversity, that we fight,
that we will continue to fight, and that we could
play with some of the best teams in college football.
Right yeah, Miami was arguably the best team in college football.
They had the first person picked in the draft, right,
So it shows how good they were and a lot
of other players that were really good.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Just showed that we can compete and play against those guys.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You also, like you demonstrated with Kyle McCord, like what
the offense could be. It is one of the best
offenses to watch Saturday to Saturday. How do you keep
that continuity going. I know you've been asked about the
quarterback battle. You know we could talk about that, but
like just from year to year, how do you keep
that foundation in place?
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Keep keep fixing it, keep making it better, keep it going,
keep it going, keep making it better. Not try to
just say, well, this is what we do. How do
we fix it? How do we get better? How do
we fix it? How do we get better? Add new
pieces to the offense, bring new people in right, just
keep being able to do that and not if you
get complacent quick, there's no complacency, Like, you not allowed to.
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You get complacent at our place. You ain't gonna like me.
That's just not the spot to be. That's not who
I am. I'm wired a little bit different. I'm very
chill off the field. But as soon as we get
to the field, that were in the meeting rooms, it's business.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, but you got a transfer from Notre damn a
transfer f Meloshoe right a Jelly Collins, Like what do
you You're trying to figure out who your starting quarterback
is going to be.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
How do you test them?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Like? What obviously we hear about the quarterback. So Ricky
and Ricky's leading right now. But Ricky and Steve they're
gonna both take all the one and two reps the
entire first sixteen days.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
We'll find out after that.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
They just gonna compete, right, It's gonna in every every position,
not just every position is competing. Like no one's safe,
you know what I mean. So it's like, let's go
to work, including myself. I better not mess up. There's
things that I gotta do in camp, and I gotta
I gotta grow in camp, right, offensive coordinator gott to
grow in camp, the defensive court. Everybody got to grow
in camp. Not just the players gotta grow. We gotta
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grow so they keep growing. If we don't grow, you
can think that that they got better. Now you just didn't. Oh,
you stayed the same. So you think they got better
because you're not evolving, right, You got to continue to evolve,
like evolve or die, right, I mean, it's just the
way it is.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
You got to keep evolving so that way things work
itself up.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Fran Brown, head coach at Syracuse with US here on
radio row. I don't want to keep you all day,
but I do want to ask you. I mean, I
was in the Commissioner's address yesterday morning listening to Jim
Phillips talking about the state of the ACC how important
it is for you know, this conference to have a
good year, And it feels like we've said that ahead
of the season the last couple of years. But now
there's a perception that this conference is a bit behind
the SEC or the Big Ten. I know coaches and
players wouldn't agree with that, but you know, overall your
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thoughts on this being a quote unquote big season for
the ACC and in the depth of the conference.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I think, oh, the conference is cool.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
I mean, that's just that's all opinionated, right, I think, well,
a good conference. We've got good quarterbacks in this conference.
We got a tough non conference schedule.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Right.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
They say it's the strongest in the country, whatever that
may mean, right, Yeah, I think it's just opinator right.
At the end of the year, you'll find out who
it is, right, You'll find out who was the best
conference at the end of the year. Giving us all
the fair opportunity to compete against each other of going
out competing day in and day out, but like who's
developing the kids? Like who's developing them as men? Right
when they leave college? What are they doing? Like what's
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happening right or is it just about what happened on
the field. And that's what gives you the mark of
all he's great because of this, Like you know what
I mean, it's some guys that are Division IIE programs,
D one, double A programs that are truly developing men, right,
and those dudes are going out and they're good fathers,
their good husbands, all the things of that nature. And
I think when you're looking at the academic standpoint, I
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think our conference does an extremely well job of that.
We match up with anybody academically, right, Yeah, And I'm
just I'm excited to be a part of. Like some
of the better coaches in the country are in this
conference right when you start, Dabbosweeney, you got Belichick here now,
I mean, it's so many guys that are in this conference.
Mario Cristobal, you know what I mean, Doozy, he's been
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coaching forever. You got Bill O'Brien, NFL coach, NFL head coach.
I mean, there's so many coaches in this conference that
are really good. Coach at s Muscha I mean, there's
so many guys in this conference that could be coaching anywhere, right,
could be in the NFL, coach, it could be other spots.
So for me, I'm just thankful that I get the
opportunity to coach into such a prestigious conference. But I
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think at the end of the year, you'll see who
we are. Our commissioner cares a lot. I think our strickling.
Our assistant commissioner, I think he cares a lot also.
So when you got a bunch of people that care,
now it's just we got to all build the trust
and we'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Last thing real quick, Now, everybody gets the big opening
weekend game to start the season. You get Tennessee down Atlanta.
What does that mean for your program?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, we get a big opportunity. With a big opportunity,
you better put on your big boys shoes. You know
what I'm saying. You see what they do there boy
at the beginning of the year, right, Yeah, Yeah, So
we'll be all right though.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I appreciate Look, I was looking forward to meeting you.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I appreciate the conversation. Be safe man out head football
coach Syracuse start stopping by the table here on Radio
Row ACC kickoff and uptoun heck of a way to
kick off the show, the Proud Western Carolina catabout stopping
by seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten hit
us up on the fandul text line. Text line seems
to love Fran Brown to start the show? Smoke did
that deliver? I know you were excited about that one too,
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which you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Think that definitely delivered. You can tell how focused he
is and he's ready to get going. And we're still
a month and almost a month and a half away
from the start of the year, and that is an
interesting you know, I think I talked about this to
just six seven months ago, but Week one of the
college football season for the ACC is very stacked, Yes,
because you know you mentioned Tennessee Syracuse. Both teams coming
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off a big year and now both teams are trying
to find an answer quarterback, specifically with Tennessee and their
Nico situation. But you also have Georgia Tech going to
folsom Field in Colorado, and we had the big matchup
in Death Valley between Clemson and LSU, and there's a
couple other matchups that haven't even mentioned yet, so that
it's just a reminder today, Hey, week one, we're getting
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off started hot in the ACC.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Absolutely, I'm actually I'm headed down to Atlanta for Virginia
Tech South Carolina there at Mercedes Benz Stadium. That's that
Syracuse Tennessee game that we're talking about. That one is
also at Mercedes Benz Stadium down in Atlanta, part of
that doubleheader.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So uh, I just there's to me.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I love sports, right, I love lots of different sports, Baseball, basketball, football, golf, Nascar,
all of them. But right the start of the college
football season, is there anything more just exhilarating than the
first big weekend of I'm not talking week zero, like
the game in Dublin's cool, you might get a taste,
but the first big week one weekend of those big
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non conference games. I think about Clemson Georgia here in
Uptown a couple of years ago, and you know what
an incredible I still to this day to all for
all of the big neutral site college football games that
I've been to, I've never seen a better environment than
Clemson Georgia here in Uptown.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Your team said environment, I was gonna say, game wise.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Great, In fact, the game itself pretty disappointing in terms
of the hype and the build up to it. But
that night, you know, I did a show from the
doghouse that night. I think I smoke probably remembers better
than I do.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I was actually there, Yeah, I was there with you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
No, you were, but I think I'm pretty sure I
traveled back from somewhere like the day before. I was exhausted,
but I wanted to get back for that pregame shot
just a bit. You know where you traveled back from?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Where? From freaking Blacksburg after you guys beat.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Us to start.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, that's right, I did gross that. I'm sorry about that.
Well anyway, No, that was one of the coolest things
I've ever seen in my life. So big big ups
to Fran Brown, head football coach at Syracuse Texters, blowing
us up on this one. The Bagel guys, to this
guy is a football coach, no bs, That's why I
was looking forward to talking to him. I've listened to
so many of his press conferences, you know, listen to
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him talk a ton, and he really is. And it's
not you know, a slight to any of these other coaches.
Some of whom Will still chat with. Jeff Brown, by
the way, head coach at Louisville is coming up here
in about thirty five minutes.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
But Fran is just Fran all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Somebody on the text line, no mo places that I
thought coach Will as a player, he does have that.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I mean, he is a player. He was a player.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He played at Western Carolina, he played in the NFL
with Cincinnati for a couple of years. He still has
that mentality. And that's why when you know, I kind
of broke in and asked him why he felt like,
you know, he was the best recruiter at every stop
that he made, Temple, Baylor, Georgia.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Because he can sit in the living room and talk
to guys the way that he just sat and talked
to us, and so, you know, really enjoyed the conversation,
and I know you seem to enjoy the conversation too.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh definitely. Yeah, he was great.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And I think that's one of the things that you
like the most about him is he's so real. He's
gonna tell you right out how he's feeling, how he's
feeling about his team. I mean, you asked about the
quarterback competition, and he told you right out, most most
coaches guarantee in that situation they're gonna say, ah, you know,
we haven't really named a starter just yet. He just
told you right out. Yeah, Ricky's leading right now, right now. Yeah,
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but hey, we're gonna have sixteen days. We're gonna let
these guys compete, and we're gonna see where it shapes out.
I love that realism from him, and that's the reason why,
as you mentioned, everywhere he's gone, even Georgia, he was
a great recruiter.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
He just landed in a five star wide receiver Syracuse.
Yes he did. That's unbelievable because.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yes, they've won, but I mean we're not talking about
them winning on like a national stage yet.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Not since the Donna a New nab as anybody talked
about Syracuse in those.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Right, And he's recruiting at this level already. That's scary, man,
that's scary.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Before anybody reminds me that Dino Babers had a couple
of nice runs, I'm aware of that, but nobody really
took them seriously as a national contender.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
You were a dark horse at best.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, at best, they were a dark horse, you know,
that and so again to your point, five star wide
receiver Syracuse.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Now the money's changed the game.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't know what Syracuse is in il situation looks like,
I don't know what kind of money they're spending. But uh,
you can't deny that that guy that just set across
from us is a reason why, you know, the biggest
reason why Syracuse football is changing in front of us.
Ten win season last year. Who knows what they pull
off this year? Seven oh four, five, seven oh ninety
six to ten, hit us up on the fan duel
text line off and running. Fran Brown, head coach at Syracuse,
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stopping by here at the beginning of the show, Jeff
Brahm in about thirty five minutes. Eric McClain, ACC Network analyst,
former Clemson Tiger offensive lineman, our guy eMac, who joins
us every Monday on the show. He's going to swing
by the table, and we do have a ton to
talk about. But there's one thing, you know, as we
get closer to football season and we put the dog
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days of summer behind us and you know, really get
back into the rhythm that is late summer, early fall
training camp, ACC kickoff things like that Paul Skeins. We
have to have a conversation about Paul Skeins and Pittsburgh.
He tossed what six scoreless innings last night? Is that?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Is that correct to believe it was six scoreless innings?
I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Oh yeah, I know he was pitching last night. I
did not know, well how many innings.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So there's a lot of impressive things about Paul Skeins.
But check this out right, since nineteen oh one, the
number of players that have recorded three hundred plus strikeouts
and a sub to era through forty four career MLB starts.
You want to the list, it's Paul Skeens.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
That's the list since nineteen.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh one, three hundred plus strikeouts and a sub to
era through their first forty four career Major League Baseball
games starts.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Paul Skeins, that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That's the list in the history of the game in
one hundred and twenty four years, He's it. If we
were to compile the greatest, you know, the list of
the greatest athletes all time who were squandered by bad organizations.
You know, the greatest individual athletes who spent the majority
of their careers on terrible teams. Where do you start?
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Seven four, five, seven ninety six ten. Get my list
of met players ready for you? I got that, Okay,
we could talk about that. I'll tell you. The first
one that comes to mind for me is Barry Sanders
in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, you know it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I The first one that comes to mind for me
is Barry's Okay, So so, Colin Hogger just showed up.
He's at the set now. It's a wfn Z family
affair here this afternoon. He just said Megatron, which probably
would be the second on the list.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
When you're talking about any Lions player, Matthew Stafford, for
a time, you're ranking the all time greatest NFL players
who were squandered by bad organizations, the first two I
think almost have to be Detroit Lions with Barry Sanders
and Megatron, although I do think you could argue for
Archie Manning and Joe Thomas as well.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Could you could go to those guys too, Archie Manning.
A lot of you young pups have no idea just
how bad things were in New Orleans for the longest time,
for the longest time. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, so
but I mean they were awful seven oh four, five, seven,
ninety six ten. The greatest athlete of all time that
was wasted by a bad organization, Paul Skeens is rocketing
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to the top of that list with every single Major
league start. One of the great right handers that I've
ever seen already, and I can't imagine he's going to
be a Pittsburgh Pirate in a couple of years. We'll
talk about that. Great folks to talk to. Panthers training
camp discussion. We got guys that are hurt unfortunately, and
of course the ongoing search now to replace Josie Jewel
(20:55):
the inside linebacker spot. We get to it all live
from the Hilton in up Town AC Kickoff Sports Radio
ninety two to seven WFNZ.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Good Afternoon, Queen City, Live from the Hilton in Uptown,
Beautiful setting ACC kickoff day two celebrating the return of
football Atlantic Coast Conference Football to be exact. Big thanks
to Fran Brown, head coach of the Syracuse Orange, for
stopping by to start the show. Jeff brom head coach
at Louisville. He just walked by a couple of minutes ago.
(21:48):
He's going to join the table at three point fifty
coming up in about twenty two minutes. So I know
panther Bo is very excited to hear from his former
head coach Jeff Brom who was at Perdue now Louisville
and coming off a strong season, expected to be one
of the three or four best teams in the ACC
coming up this year. Miller Moss the transfer quarterback. And
we'll get to all that with Jeff Brohm coming up
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in just a bit. But seven four five, seven ninety
six ten hit us up on the fan duel text line.
I asked a question Paul Skeins, who is on a tear,
an absolute tear to start his career in Pittsburgh. Did
it again? Six scoreless innings last night? Floundering no pun
intended or whatever that means. Yeah, nothing like that, but
you know, being squandered, let's say, by the Pirates organization.
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We're compiling a list of the greatest athletes all time
to have been wasted by bad organizations, and it started
with this stat by the way, since nineteen oh one,
the list of players to have recorded three hundred plus
strikeouts and a sub to era through their first forty
four career MLB appearances.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
The list is Paul Skeens. That's it. Nobody else is
on the list. Nobody else.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
In fact, one pitcher again has recorded in MLB history
is sub to two ERA and more than one hundred
and sixty five strikeouts in his first forty four games.
Paul Skeins again a one point nine to four ERA
three hundred and seven k's in his first forty four appearances.
So who are the best players on the worst teams
of all time? I have gotten more Tony Gwinns on
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the FanDuel text line than I would have necessarily expected
to get. But I don't know that Tony gwyn because
coy think Colin Hoggers said, didn't they make it to
the World Series? He wasn't exclusively on bad teams?
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And I bring that one up because there are a
few people saying, what about Cam Newton? Can you can
you be included in this list if you made it
to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I don't think you can be.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
On this There there are multiple lists that have Julius
Peppers and Steve Smith on this list from the Panthers.
Even though Steve Smith made a Super Bowl, Right, Julius Peppers.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Made a Super Bowl. Yeah, I don't think they quiet.
I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I mean so Jeck's just said, Kemba, there you go.
That's a good one. Yeah, that's the good one. Like
that's They made the playoffs in twenty sixteen, but they
didn't win the playoff series. I mean, if they'd made
a run in twenty sixteen, you could probably argue against it.
But that's all they ever accomplished really with kim on
the floor unfortunately. So yeah, I think Kimba Walker definitely
deserves to be on this list. Brian in Mississippi said
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Joe Thomas to me, he epitomizes the list and the
conversation that we're talking about future to mean Hall of
Fame left tackle, ten time Pro bowler, I think, basically
the same number of All pros, but never played in
a single playoff game in his career.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Elite at his position, but.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Never played in a playoff game in all his time
with the Cleveland Browns. So Joe Thomas definitely on the list.
Here's another one for the older football fans. Steve Largin.
Steve Largin out in Seattle. I mean, he is a
Hall of Fame wide receiver, one of the most prolific
wide receivers of his era, and I don't think he
played on anything better than an average team for his
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entire football career.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Foind out did the Seahawks in the mid eighties were
actually pretty good?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, I mean, but we're talking about average teams like
they weren't anything special.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
They made the AFC Championship Game.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Well, okay, I mean, I'll yeah, I'll grant you that.
I don't know all the details of that year, but
Steve Largent, I think his individual success in prowess relative
to the team's success, I believe he absolutely belongs on
the list.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Here's an interesting one game.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Cock Moody just sent one in Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks,
And I love Dominique Wilkins. You know, not just you know,
a human highlight reel out there on the court, but
truly one of the best scorers in the National Basketball
Association in the eighties and the nineties like that. They
were consistent playoff contenders but never made a finals. So
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I do think that Dominique Wilkins probably deserves to be
on this list, even though again, and I reference this
all the time.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
As a young NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Fan in that era, I adored the nineties era Atlanta Hawks.
I mean, Mookie Blaylock, Stacey Augman, Kevin Willis like, I
love those I loved those Atlanta Hawks teams of the
early to mid nineties. Smoke, I know you you weren't
around for that era.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
You didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You didn't get to sit up on a on a
Saturday night like I did on my parents' floor, you know,
watching you know, one of the old I'm trying to
think of the old TV sets, you know what the
names were, but with the round switches on them.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I'm sitting in the floor of my parents' room
because they want to watch what they want to watch
in the living room, and I've got it on WGN,
watching Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen and the Bulls battle
the mid nineties era Atlanta Hawks on a Saturday. I mean,
that was the highlight of my weekend when I was
a kid watching the Bulls play those Hawks teams on
WG and not only those Hawks teams.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
But you get the picture, well, I do.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I do want to bring up a couple of ones
that have gone on the text line I've seen a
couple of Dale Murphy's, which is a perfect one. I
think that's the best Atlanta based one is if you
pick a Dale Murphy or to a lesser extent, because
he was on the team that made the Super Bowl.
Jesse Tuggle one of the best and most underrated linebackers
of all time. Yeah, here's that I have not seen
get mentioned, and I think is one of the most
underrated players at the running back position ever. Stephen Jackson, ooh,
(27:08):
that's good. I don't think people realize how many rushing
yards he has. He has eleven four hundred and thirty
eight rushing yards, Kyle, that is eighteenth all time. He
is still ahead until Week one because he's only fifteen
yards ahead of King Henry.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That's how dominant he was.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
And all of his prime was wasted on those Saint
Louis teams because he got there in two thousand and four,
which was the last year they made the playoffs and
the quote unquote greatest show on turf Era and then
everything in between that was just straight up garbage. And
by the time he got to Atlanta, he was a
shelve and his former self and then the Falcons started
to suck again, and then he spent one year barely
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doing anything on to Patriots in twenty fifteen to that
was it. That is a guy who had a border
Hall of Fame career that no one talks about.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Somebody said a minute ago, how have you guys not
mentioned Mike Trout yet? It almost feels too simple, like
he kind of epitomizes this list too, in the way
that is beginning to But yeah, I mean, of course,
Mike Trout has to be in the conversation. Three time MVP,
three time MVP, eleven time All Star, one of the
greatest players, if not the greatest player of his generation,
and has been to the playoffs once and was swept
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in the playoffs and continues to Now you could say that, hey,
Mike could have been out of LA already. He could
have forced a trade, you know, he could have, And
that's true, and he had Otani for what three four
seasons out there, and it you know, didn't quite work
out the way they hoped it would. But yeah, Mike
Trout epitomizes this list, There's no question about that. And
speaking of baseball, somebody a minute ago, I think it
(28:37):
was Joe somebody said, Hey, I cheated and googled it.
Joe Monroe said, had to cheat and google it. Ernie Banks,
glad you said that. Yes, mister cub, Ernie Banks speaking
of MVP trophies, two time MVP but never played in
the postseason. Think about that in baseball, Ernie Banks, mister cub,
two time MVP, never played in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
With one of the more story franchises in the sports history.
And that's what's crazy to me. Yes, how about how
about Archie Manning. Yeah, that's that's one that definitely.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Comes to mind.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I mean, you get you're talking about a guy that
back in the seventies was sacked forty or more times.
Remember when they didn't draw back all that much. Was
sacked forty or more times, four different times. He was
David Carr before David Carr. I mean he got beat
up his I mean in his career he threw for
twenty three nine hundred and eleven yards and one hundred
and twenty five touchdowns and his record was thirty five
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one oh one and three. Yeah, it's incredible, I mean unbelievable,
I mean incredibly bad. But it's still it's hard to
believe that they could beat that back. Yes, with a
player that talented. I got somebody on the decks line
yelling at me, hello.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Various enders. Yeah, that was the first, very first name
we mentioned in the conversation. I'm glad it's okay, I'm
glad you said it, but don't yell at me, Miguel. Yes,
Varius Anders was the first name that I mentioned in
the conversation. He's the first one that comes to mind.
Seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten Fandel text
line wide open Live from the ACC kickoff. If you're
just jumping in and wondering what the heck we're talking about,
Paul Sken's former number one overall pick, right handed pitcher
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out of LSU playing for the Pittsburgh Pirates, continues to
dazzle and dominate individually, but doing so on a horrible
team in a horrible organization. Cheap, cheap, all the things
you want to say about the Pittsburgh Pirates, This guy
is incredible. I mean, this is a Mike Trout situation.
Not a not a position player, so he's not playing
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day to day, but this is a Mike Trout situation.
What appears to be a generational talent being wasted in
a bad team, and so we're compiling the list of
the all time greatest athletes whose individual success was never
matched by the team's success, and they squandered, were squandered
by terrible organizations. Seven oh four five, seven ninety six
to ten. Hit us up with yours Megatron, hide and seek,
(30:53):
saying Steve Largent like I did. A couple of minutes ago,
somebody said Michael Vick on the text line, No, I
don't think Michael has any play. I mean he in college,
he went to the national championship game. You know, he
was drafted by the Falcons. They were good obviously, having
made it to the conference title game, and then he
blew up his own career. So I don't think Mike
belongs in the conversation at all. Let's see, Pudge Rodriguez
(31:15):
came in a minute ago. He won a World Series, right,
I don't. I don't think Pudge is in the discussion.
Dan Marino, Yeah, he made a.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Super Bowl in his second year. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I think they had enough teams to like, the Dolphins
were good and relevant because of him. But I just
think he, like Charles Barkley, he failed to get over
the Hump. Charles Barkley wouldn't be on this list because
he didn't exclusively play on terrible teams. In fact, he
played on some very good teams with Kevin Johnson and
Dan Marley and guys like that. Uh, he just played
in the wrong generation. Was repeatedly denied at the doorstep
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by Michael Jordan and other stars of his areas well.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
There's a lot of baseball guys and you could throw
in there that didn't make the playoffs. Like that's the
thing with Ernie Banks. It was so difficult to make
the playoffs back then. That's why more my guys like
here's a great example in baseball, Felix Hernandez. That was
a guy that was stuck on a really bad, good,
bad group of Seattle teams when he was there, one
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of I mean, one of the best pictures of its
generation that really won't be talked about because the wins
simply aren't there. Like Paul Skins right now, he is
five and eight on the season with a one to
nine to six rh.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
With over three hundred strikeouts. It's unbelievable. Forty four games.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I mean, I know that's not all this year, but
like still in forty four games, the man has three
hundred and seven strikeouts. Fancy, crazy, insane, and the Pirates
could not seem less interested in or motivated to do
anything about it.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
So they'll tell you they are.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm sure they'd point to certain things, but none of
it amounts to anything. Rod Caru on the text I
love that there are a lot of young fans out
there listening that probably have no idea who Rod Carew is.
But Rod Carew baseball side definitely, this will hurt Colin
Hoggards hard. Oh two of these will hurt Colin Hoggards hard. Yeah,
well the first one Charlotte Bodne GJ. I'm sorry, Uncle Frank,
says Joey Vada on the text line. But then someone
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said present day Ellie de la Cruz on the text line.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Way too early.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh yeah, that's it's too early. Yes, I agree. But
like Cincinnati needs to get at act together because they've
got enough young talent that they really don't have an
excuse to not push further harder and go a little
bit more all in, you know, to try to get
back to being some semblance of the Reds organization.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
They used to be.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
But I think that the Ellida la cruz it might
not perfectly fit the conversation. But if you're predicting that
it will, it's hard for me to call you crazy
for doing that. All right, seven oh four five, seven
ninety six ten, hit us up on the FanDuel text
line live from acc kickoff. We got Jeff Brohm, head
football coach of the Louisville Cardinals, coming up in about
ten minutes.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Right now, we go to smoke on the headlines.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Who is smoked?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Where is smoke? Where there's smoke, there's fire. Let's go
what you got?
Speaker 6 (33:51):
All right?
Speaker 4 (33:51):
A couple bit of news.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
We kind of got lost in a sauce dude to
the Josie Jewel release yesterday. But unfortunately, Bobby Brown is
on the active non football injury list who start training camp.
He can come off at any point this uh before
the season starts. If he doesn't, it will be an
automatic trip to the IR for Bobby Brown, which is
not good news. But Kyle, on the cool side, I
(34:14):
got some cool news for you. NASCAR announced earlier today
that they are not going to the Chicago Street Race,
but they are going to be racing at the Naval
Base of Coronado in San Diego, California next year.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Smoke that in no way cheers me up about the
Bobby Brown news, not even close.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I felt that was pretty bad assunt. I'm not even
it's not a criticism.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'm not saying it's not cool, but like the way
you package that was like, hey, this will make you
feel better, and it doesn't make me feel even slightly better.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I'm sorry. I tried. I tried.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Oh it's okay, but like you under like I'm not
mad at you, but you understand that like this is
we got to talk about this on the other side.
That and Jeff brom Next Sports Radio ninety two to
seven wfn Z Sports Radio seven wufn Z Live from
(35:17):
acc kickoff here in Uptown. It's about that time again, folks.
Still vacation season for a lot of you.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
But I was.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I was talking to a friend of mine earlier this morning.
I said, yeah, my summer's over. My summer's over. This
is the schedule we're on. We love year round, all
the things that we talk about and cover, but there's
just nothing quite like football season. And we're still, you know,
a couple of weeks out from the Hall of Actually,
I was gonna take that back. We're now, what smoke,
a week out from the Hall of Fame game and Canton. No,
it's eight days. We're eight days out from the Hall
(35:44):
of Fame game and Canton. You know, fall practice about
to start for the college guys. We're talking to coaches
and players here at ACC kickoff. But you know, my
my summer's over because football is nearly back and I
love it. Training camp getting underway for the Panthers this week.
I'm busy here this week, and I've had a few
folks ask, you know, hey and see a Panthers practice today. Well,
they put the pads on next week, and we got
(36:06):
the college guys today, So that's the focus. But I'm
monitoring things from down the street and hearing some good things,
some bad things, like the Bobby Brown hamstring news, to
which we had some people on the text line respond
and say, hey, KB, I'm pretty sure Dave Canalis said
that Bobby Brown is you know, closing. He's gonna be okay.
Now I know that Dave Canali said he's gonna be okay.
He's on his way back. But I don't like big
(36:28):
men and hamstring. I don't like that at all. Hammies
can be tricky smoke on just about anybody. But until
I see big Bobby Brown out there next to dB
and A Shawn Robinson and company, hopefully soon, I'm gonna
be a little bit worried about it because big fellas
with hamstring injuries that concerns me. So I don't want
to jinx anybody, but I'll feel better once I see
him strap it on next week.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, exactly. Hammi's are nothing to mess with. They're like
sprint ankles. But I will say, if you're gonna have
to do with a hammy issue, especially for big men,
you'd rather have it on July twenty third than September
when he heard yeah ahead and put.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
It out there.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yes, I would agree with that statement on hundred percent.
So we have textters writing in about that. Jeff brom Head,
coach of the Louisville Cardinals, is expected to join us
here in just a minute or two here on Radio Row.
After that, not quite sure about things, we got flounder
here on the site. Engineering Colin Hoggard hanging out as
well smoke back in the Chandler Volta studios. The Carolina's
personal injury lawyers. One call. That's all go to Cvinjurylaw
(37:27):
dot com. And again Jeff Brom gonna stop by. Today
we have Louisville, we had Florida States, Pat and Ardozy
and Pitt are in the House today as well. And
then tomorrow is you know, I guess the big day.
Some people here might bristle at that today, but it
is what it is. Tomorrow's a big day for our audience.
We got Bill Belichick and Carolina in the house, Manny
Diaz and Duke, we got Clemson, we got States. Dave
(37:50):
Dorn I believe expected to join the show tomorrow, so
we'll talk about that. I bet you Bill Belichick does
not come within fifty feet of Radio Row tomorrow here
at acc kickoff, But we'll have to wait. See, I'm
gonna guess they usher him out the back door on
the third floor here, Flounder. I'm gonna bet you he
never even makes it down the escalator to radio.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
They're gonna say, sir.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
I don't know if you know this, but Radio Row,
there's a forty minute segment that's set aside just for
you to be talking to the radio folks.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, we're not gonna do.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
What do you mean, like like like a local radio
guys shows different markets, you know, acc markets.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
I'm gonna pass on that. I think I'm gonna pass well.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
I mean, the hope is that, you know, in the
ballroom here, maybe he'll have some guys running routes and
stuff like that. He is bringing Jordan's ship with him
along with Geo Lopez, So let's get some things rolling here. Okay,
let's get some things roll. When you said he's bringing.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Jordans, I think a lot of folks like me fought
for the second that it was Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Now apparently she is not coming, thank god.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
No, I didn't expect that I was getting those questions
when I was in New England last week because all
my family, the in laws, they all know what I
do for a living, obviously, and so they were asking
me about Belichick. To a man, every one of the
guys that I talked to, father in law, uncles, cousins,
family friends, every last one of them diehard Patriots fans,
said are you gonna talk to Belichick next week? And
I was like, I hate to break it to you,
(39:11):
but no, probably not. I don't think anybody. I think
very few conversations with Bill Belichick are gonna take place
here tomorrow, quite honestly. But let me ask you, since
I know you have plenty of airtime with Wes and
Walker and you've probably said everything about this and especially
your podcast too, like what is your range of wins
for Carolina this year?
Speaker 5 (39:28):
I've got them in that seven to eight win range.
I think that's probably a safe area. Maybe I could
see them getting to nine just because of how easy
the schedule is. I think there's some ways that you
could you could sell me on nine wins, but I
just don't know if there's nearly enough depth. I don't
know if there's nearly enough defensively for them to be
that good this year. So I could see them somewhere
(39:51):
in that seven to eight win range. I said on
the on the latest edition of the podcast that I'm
gonna determine whether or not it's seven or eight wins
before filling out my acc ballot, because I got to
order the teams. If I have him at eight, I'll
probably have them like seventh in the conference. Yeah, if
I got seven, I'll probably have them more towards like night.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
So I'm leaning eight.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
I'm leaning positive because I really like some of the
late additions they made on defense, and I just again,
that schedule is so easy, man. There are so many
opportunities for you to take advantage of an easy schedule.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Hopefully they're able to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Here's my question. If Geo Lopez turns out to not
be the right guy. Let's say he comes out and
the TCU games ugly, the Charlotte game's not great, did
they go to Max Johnson?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Do they go to Bryce Baker? Like if there?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm just I was thinking about this the other questions
like hopefully obviously you hope they don't make any quarterback changes,
but it happens in college football. And if Geo Lopez,
the South Alabama transfer, turns out to not be what
they're looking for.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
You know, I was looking at clips the other.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Day of the Manning camp, the Manning Passing Academy, and
I you know, there was a montage of quarterbacks jumping
in making throws out routes or whatever, and I saw
Max Johnson jump in there.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I mean, do they go to Max Johnson?
Speaker 5 (40:59):
They go to I would think that, especially early in
the year, they probably would go to Max Johnson. I
think if the scenario that you laid out, yes, I
think perfectly fits Max Johnson, because remember that after that
start that you have, you would you would then have Richmond, yep,
and then you would have a game against UCF on
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the road before you then take on Clemson. Those are
way too tough games to say, hey, Bryce Baker, we're
gonna throw you in here.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Yeah, Richmond is an easier game. Maybe he can.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Navigate that, but I think they would want to go
with the veteran presence. We get later in the year
and Geo is good, but he's not nearly as effective
as you really need him to be.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Maybe he's similar to Jakobe Criswell.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
And has a couple of tough games, and you get
to that mid point of the season. I think by
that point, maybe Bryce Baker has shown you enough and
you say, you know what, We're gonna go to the
kid because he's got more talent.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Okay, I was just thinking about that the other day.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Smoke, by the way, mate, one Carolina fan, very angry
yesterday with a five to six win prediction, said that
Smoke was unprofessional because of it well and let his
Carolina hatred shine let's his Carolina hatred shine through too much.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
I won't go that far, but I will say if
they win five games, it's a failure.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
It's a failed experiment.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
At that point, you have to question, did you make
the wrong hire going out and getting Bill Belichick?
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Did he lose it?
Speaker 5 (42:17):
Did the Jordan Hudson stuff really affect him? Those are
the types of things that you will be asking. I mean,
we said it the other day because somebody had Carolina
finishing twelfth.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Oh is the USA today.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Writers had them collectively finishing twelfth in the conference? That
would be a complete failure. You hired Bill Belichick to
come in here and to win immediately.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Not saying you.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Got to make the College Football Playoff or anything, but
if you can at least get to seven wins, I'm sorry,
that's a failure.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
I hear you.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Seven h four five seven oh ninety six ten. Hit
us up on the FanDuel text line live from acc kickoff,
expecting Jeff brom to stop by here maybe in a
couple of minutes. But here's what we'll do for now,
so we don't screw up the clocks or anything. We'll
step aside. We'll come back second hour Jeff Brom's schedule
to stop by, we'll chat with him.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
May be the best audio in sports.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
More Panthers training camp to talk about as they're back
on the field and still they're searching for the replacement
for Josie Jewel. I saw hanter Renfro out there making
some catches today. My guy heat fan is just dying
for some Panthers training camp talk, so we'll get to it.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Queen City Sports Radio ninety two seven w
f n Z Live from ACC kickoff here at the
Hilton in Uptown. It's day number two of the event,
day number one of our live broadcasts here today and
tomorrow celebrating what we hope, I guess, or what we're
told is the triumphant return of Atlantic Coast Conference football.
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We got a big schedule, come in your way. As
a matter of fact, we open up the show here momentarily.
I'm not quite sure how momentarily, but in just a
minute or five. Well, we'll chat with Fran Brown, the
head football coach of the Iracuse Orange. But most importantly
to our guy, Smoke Ludwig, who was back in the
Chandler vaulta WFNZ Studios one call. That's all CV Injury
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Law dot com. We have Fran Brown, not just Syracuse
head coach, but Smoke. What else is Fran Brown? What
is Fran Brown to you?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A legend of the Western Carolina Catamounts football program. Was
on the team in two thousand and four when they
defeated Appalachian State and he got the kiss the Old
Mountain Jug.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
So that's the main part.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And he also beat Furman in two thousand and five,
which was a massive upset.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, by the way, that was not me that snickered
Flounder turned on his microphone.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
He's engineering.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Flounder turned on his microphone just to snicker at you
when you said that.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It just amazes me how he I mean, he knows
everything about Western Carolina from the early two thousands. It's
yet another thing that's in the smoke handbook of things
that he knows that you don't think he should now win.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, I was at that game.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So you were at the four game for the Old
Mountain Jug. Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Really? My grandma's had season tickets forever. My brother was
like eleven months old. My mom had to go to
the park. Western Carolina was down two touchdowns. Looked like
two or three minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Okay, well on a time out because we got to
just cycle him in here like he got here and
like I think he already is kind of up to speed.
Fran Brown, head football coach of the Syracuse aren't here
with us. You're on in Charlotte right now, by the way,
So you know that's what's up. It's good to see.
I've been looking forward to this since they put you
on my schedule. A couple of days ago. We got
a guy back in the studio, my producer, right, so
we're hearing Charlotte. You know, the Catamounts don't get a
ton of run here in the Queens City, but because
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of this guy, they get more than they probably would
any other way.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
We appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I mean, this is a die hard Western Carolina fan,
and every time I mentioned your name on the air,
he makes sure to remind the audience that you are
Catamount proud.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Fran Brown, head coach at Syracuse.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Absolutely, I mean it's a lot. I think I heard
y'all talking about the at State game. Oh four yeah,
four yeah, four at Western Carolina.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah is that? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (02:51):
He was there for that game at Western Carolina. So listen,
before we played them that week before, they was on
a tear right. They had this kid named Devon Falkes
was re either like led the country. Yeah, the week
before they played us, he had twenty two catches for
like two hundred and seventy some yards. Seriously, he was killing.
The quarterback was Richie Williams. I mean you remember that
they was on the run. They was beating everybody. Yeah,
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they came and played as we ended up beating them.
I asked the coach, let me stick him, and I
was like, let me stick him. I got to stick
him everywhere. He had four catches for thirty two yards.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Really, you shut it down, you clamped him on.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
I literally did. That's the only thing I will talk
about that day.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
I strapped him that day, right, really shut him down,
and he had four for thirty two and we ended
up beating him. We ended up winning. They tore the
gold post down, threw it in the river. It was
wild that night. It was pretty cool to be able
to play against them, though. It was good. Then the
next year up there at app State they beat the
brakes off of us.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I'm talking about that, well, yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
It was pretty cool playing against Yeah, they do.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Like how much I'm sure you remember plenty about your
playing days, but like, what do you treasure the most
from those days back at you know, in college playing
at Western Carolina, relationships.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
Yeah, I got to see Lamar Barnes, who was a
captain with me the other day. One of my brothers
was going through something. He called me on the phone
the other night. Late called him the next morning. Just
talking to those dudes. Man, you know, I'm just still
the relationships and letting them know I'm the same dude.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
They needs something made me up, like let's talk like
let's be there for each other, right, Let's pray.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
For each other, be around each other.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
So just some relationships, man, and just for me from
up north coming all the way to Western Carolina.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Man, those dudes accepted me with open arms.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
From South Carolina and North Carolina and Charlotte my boys,
and Charlotte wants to sell them just everywhere Durham like man,
everybody accepted me with open arms, and their families did.
So I was able to go and just being around
with everybody. And that meant a lot to me to
be able to come down here. So Western Carolina and
Catamounta will forever have a special place in my heart.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So I guess was that the place where the seeds
were planted where Hey, I'm going to be a head
coach One day when did that happen for you?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
No, that wasn't man, that wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
I was going to the league. I was getting yeah, yeah,
thing going.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
It was just getting the opportunity to do it right,
just after getting cut from playing the league and then
getting a chance to just start working kids out, not
really knowing.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
No, I'll go to college.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
We all got an education, but I didn't get to
go work in my field, my criminal justice major.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
So trying to figure out what to do.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
And then I was watching people that were in a
head coach position. I'm like, oh, if he could do it, yeah,
I'm doing that.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Nah. I focused literally like this is what I want
to do. I'm going that way. That's my route.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I'm going that way, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, and I was just looking back over your resume here,
Fran Brown, head coach at Syracuse with US here live
on radio row Simple Baylor, Rutgers, Georgia. Obviously before you
got the job. Shane Biemer, South Carolina is a friend
of mine. I've known it for a long time and he,
you know, his resume and leading up to his first
head coaching job was really impressive. I look at the
places you've been, the guys that you've worked for, Like,
you know how much were you molded at those places?
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And you know what stands out in terms was you
know that's shaping you into the coach you are today.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
One thing that took a little from everybody.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Yeah, naturally, But of course, honestly, I'm just myself. I
think I was elite recruiting on every one of the
staffs or wherever I was, it was always the best
guy on the staff when the comic and recruiting.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 6 (06:08):
By the way, because I'm myself just like us sitting
here talking, you feel comfortable.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Understanding I know who I am. So I'm not trying
to impress anybody. I'm just being myself consistently in that.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
It's just pretty cool, funny, how simple that is.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Right, I mean, it's the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
A lot of guys.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
I watch so many people try to be everybody else
and it doesn't work for them, and then they try
to switch back to themselves. Now, people think you being fake, right,
but that's all alone.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
That's who you are, right.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, Guys who don't get like being you twenty four
to seven is actually a benefit to you, like just
being yourself.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
All the time, absolutely, you know, just all the time,
just always being myself.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I'm gonna go back to the off season because I've
been you know, beating the drum for years. I'm a
diehard college football fan. I've always wanted to have you know,
preseason kind of like you know, not just scrimmages. But
you know, I think your idea was you and Dion
were talking about the spring game and getting together. I've
loved that idea. Why do you think there's so much
push back to that? Why do you think that they
don't it was new? Yeah, I wasn't sure how to
do it.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
What was going to be the benefits that was everyone
going to get the same opportunity, Yeah, to go and
do it, And since some people had already been done
with their fifteen games things of that nature, they just
didn't want to push it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Okay, that makes sense. Fran Brown, Syracuse with us here
on Radio Ros. Let's talk about your team with ten
and three last year. Really, you know, just a football
team that I thought was really fun to watch. I mean,
what did you what were you most proud of last
year with that team? Every years different. What were your
most proud of? This is how they came together. They
all listened to everything that I wanted to get done.
Me growing through the losses, right, me being there for
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them and during the losses, showing them why we lost
and being able to understand and know that a lot
of it was because of the coaching, not the players, right,
So just being able to teach them that do that.
The big Miami win last year, Like, how big was
that for your program? That Like, I know they're all
supposed to weigh the same, but like some wins are
different than others, right.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, come back and everything else.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I mean, it was good. It was great.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
It showed them that we can overcome adversity, that we fight,
that we will continue to fight, and that we could
play with some of the best teams in college football.
Right yeah, Miami was arguably the best team in college football.
They had the first person picked in the draft, right,
So it shows how good they were and a lot
of other players that were really good.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Just showed that we can compete and play against those guys.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You also, like you demonstrated with Kyle McCord, like what
the offense could be. It is one of the best
offenses to watch Saturday to Saturday. How do you keep
that continuity going. I know you've been asked about the
quarterback battle. You know we could talk about that, but
like just from year to year, how do you keep
that foundation in place?
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Keep keep fixing it, keep making it better, keep it going,
keep it going, keep making it better. Not try to
just say, well, this is what we do. How do
we fix it? How do we get better? How do
we fix it? How do we get better? Add new
pieces to the offense, bring new people in right, just
keep being able to do that and not if you
get complacent quick, there's no complacency, Like, you not allowed to.
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You get complacent at our place. You ain't gonna like me.
That's just not the spot to be. That's not who
I am. I'm wired a little bit different. I'm very
chill off the field. But as soon as we get
to the field, that were in the meeting rooms, it's business.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, but you got a transfer from Notre damn a
transfer f Meloshoe right a Jelly Collins, Like what do
you You're trying to figure out who your starting quarterback
is going to be.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
How do you test them?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Like? What obviously we hear about the quarterback. So Ricky
and Ricky's leading right now. But Ricky and Steve they're
gonna both take all the one and two reps the
entire first sixteen days.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
We'll find out after that.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
They just gonna compete, right, It's gonna in every every position,
not just every position is competing. Like no one's safe,
you know what I mean. So it's like, let's go
to work, including myself. I better not mess up. There's
things that I gotta do in camp, and I gotta
I gotta grow in camp, right, offensive coordinator gott to
grow in camp, the defensive court. Everybody got to grow
in camp. Not just the players gotta grow. We gotta
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grow so they keep growing. If we don't grow, you
can think that that they got better. Now you just didn't. Oh,
you stayed the same. So you think they got better
because you're not evolving, right, You got to continue to evolve,
like evolve or die, right, I mean, it's just the
way it is.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
You got to keep evolving so that way things work
itself up.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Fran Brown, head coach at Syracuse with US here on
radio row. I don't want to keep you all day,
but I do want to ask you. I mean, I
was in the Commissioner's address yesterday morning listening to Jim
Phillips talking about the state of the ACC how important
it is for you know, this conference to have a
good year, And it feels like we've said that ahead
of the season the last couple of years. But now
there's a perception that this conference is a bit behind
the SEC or the Big Ten. I know coaches and
players wouldn't agree with that, but you know, overall your
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thoughts on this being a quote unquote big season for
the ACC and in the depth of the conference.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I think, oh, the conference is cool.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
I mean, that's just that's all opinionated, right, I think, well,
a good conference. We've got good quarterbacks in this conference.
We got a tough non conference schedule.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Right.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
They say it's the strongest in the country, whatever that
may mean, right, Yeah, I think it's just opinator right.
At the end of the year, you'll find out who
it is, right, You'll find out who was the best
conference at the end of the year. Giving us all
the fair opportunity to compete against each other of going
out competing day in and day out, but like who's
developing the kids? Like who's developing them as men? Right
when they leave college? What are they doing? Like what's
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happening right or is it just about what happened on
the field. And that's what gives you the mark of
all he's great because of this, Like you know what
I mean, it's some guys that are Division IIE programs,
D one, double A programs that are truly developing men, right,
and those dudes are going out and they're good fathers,
their good husbands, all the things of that nature. And
I think when you're looking at the academic standpoint, I
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think our conference does an extremely well job of that.
We match up with anybody academically, right, Yeah, And I'm
just I'm excited to be a part of. Like some
of the better coaches in the country are in this
conference right when you start, Dabbosweeney, you got Belichick here now,
I mean, it's so many guys that are in this conference.
Mario Cristobal, you know what I mean, Doozy, he's been
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coaching forever. You got Bill O'Brien, NFL coach, NFL head coach.
I mean, there's so many coaches in this conference that
are really good. Coach at s Muscha I mean, there's
so many guys in this conference that could be coaching anywhere, right,
could be in the NFL, coach, it could be other spots.
So for me, I'm just thankful that I get the
opportunity to coach into such a prestigious conference. But I
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think at the end of the year, you'll see who
we are. Our commissioner cares a lot. I think our strickling.
Our assistant commissioner, I think he cares a lot also.
So when you got a bunch of people that care,
now it's just we got to all build the trust
and we'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Last thing real quick, Now, everybody gets the big opening
weekend game to start the season. You get Tennessee down Atlanta.
What does that mean for your program?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, we get a big opportunity. With a big opportunity,
you better put on your big boys shoes. You know
what I'm saying. You see what they do there boy
at the beginning of the year, right, Yeah, Yeah, So
we'll be all right though.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I appreciate Look, I was looking forward to meeting you.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I appreciate the conversation. Be safe man out head football
coach Syracuse start stopping by the table here on Radio
Row ACC kickoff and uptoun heck of a way to
kick off the show, the Proud Western Carolina catabout stopping
by seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten hit
us up on the fandul text line. Text line seems
to love Fran Brown to start the show? Smoke did
that deliver? I know you were excited about that one too,
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which you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Think that definitely delivered. You can tell how focused he
is and he's ready to get going. And we're still
a month and almost a month and a half away
from the start of the year, and that is an
interesting you know, I think I talked about this to
just six seven months ago, but Week one of the
college football season for the ACC is very stacked, Yes,
because you know you mentioned Tennessee Syracuse. Both teams coming
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off a big year and now both teams are trying
to find an answer quarterback, specifically with Tennessee and their
Nico situation. But you also have Georgia Tech going to
folsom Field in Colorado, and we had the big matchup
in Death Valley between Clemson and LSU, and there's a
couple other matchups that haven't even mentioned yet, so that
it's just a reminder today, Hey, week one, we're getting
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off started hot in the ACC.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Absolutely, I'm actually I'm headed down to Atlanta for Virginia
Tech South Carolina there at Mercedes Benz Stadium. That's that
Syracuse Tennessee game that we're talking about. That one is
also at Mercedes Benz Stadium down in Atlanta, part of
that doubleheader.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So uh, I just there's to me.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I love sports, right, I love lots of different sports, Baseball, basketball, football, golf, Nascar,
all of them. But right the start of the college
football season, is there anything more just exhilarating than the
first big weekend of I'm not talking week zero, like
the game in Dublin's cool, you might get a taste,
but the first big week one weekend of those big
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non conference games. I think about Clemson Georgia here in
Uptown a couple of years ago, and you know what
an incredible I still to this day to all for
all of the big neutral site college football games that
I've been to, I've never seen a better environment than
Clemson Georgia here in Uptown.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Your team said environment, I was gonna say, game wise.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Great, In fact, the game itself pretty disappointing in terms
of the hype and the build up to it. But
that night, you know, I did a show from the
doghouse that night. I think I smoke probably remembers better
than I do.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I was actually there, Yeah, I was there with you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
No, you were, but I think I'm pretty sure I
traveled back from somewhere like the day before. I was exhausted,
but I wanted to get back for that pregame shot
just a bit. You know where you traveled back from?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Where? From freaking Blacksburg after you guys beat.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Us to start.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, that's right, I did gross that. I'm sorry about that.
Well anyway, No, that was one of the coolest things
I've ever seen in my life. So big big ups
to Fran Brown, head football coach at Syracuse Texters, blowing
us up on this one. The Bagel guys, to this
guy is a football coach, no bs, That's why I
was looking forward to talking to him. I've listened to
so many of his press conferences, you know, listen to
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him talk a ton, and he really is. And it's
not you know, a slight to any of these other coaches.
Some of whom Will still chat with. Jeff Brown, by
the way, head coach at Louisville is coming up here
in about thirty five minutes.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
But Fran is just Fran all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Somebody on the text line, no mo places that I
thought coach Will as a player, he does have that.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I mean, he is a player. He was a player.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He played at Western Carolina, he played in the NFL
with Cincinnati for a couple of years. He still has
that mentality. And that's why when you know, I kind
of broke in and asked him why he felt like,
you know, he was the best recruiter at every stop
that he made, Temple, Baylor, Georgia.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Because he can sit in the living room and talk
to guys the way that he just sat and talked
to us, and so, you know, really enjoyed the conversation,
and I know you seem to enjoy the conversation too.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh definitely. Yeah, he was great.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And I think that's one of the things that you
like the most about him is he's so real. He's
gonna tell you right out how he's feeling, how he's
feeling about his team. I mean, you asked about the
quarterback competition, and he told you right out, most most
coaches guarantee in that situation they're gonna say, ah, you know,
we haven't really named a starter just yet. He just
told you right out. Yeah, Ricky's leading right now, right now. Yeah,
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but hey, we're gonna have sixteen days. We're gonna let
these guys compete, and we're gonna see where it shapes out.
I love that realism from him, and that's the reason why,
as you mentioned, everywhere he's gone, even Georgia, he was
a great recruiter.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
He just landed in a five star wide receiver Syracuse.
Yes he did. That's unbelievable because.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yes, they've won, but I mean we're not talking about
them winning on like a national stage yet.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Not since the Donna a New nab as anybody talked
about Syracuse in those.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Right, And he's recruiting at this level already. That's scary, man,
that's scary.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Before anybody reminds me that Dino Babers had a couple
of nice runs, I'm aware of that, but nobody really
took them seriously as a national contender.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
You were a dark horse at best.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, at best, they were a dark horse, you know,
that and so again to your point, five star wide
receiver Syracuse.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Now the money's changed the game.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't know what Syracuse is in il situation looks like,
I don't know what kind of money they're spending. But uh,
you can't deny that that guy that just set across
from us is a reason why, you know, the biggest
reason why Syracuse football is changing in front of us.
Ten win season last year. Who knows what they pull
off this year? Seven oh four, five, seven oh ninety
six to ten, hit us up on the fan duel
text line off and running. Fran Brown, head coach at Syracuse,
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stopping by here at the beginning of the show, Jeff
Brahm in about thirty five minutes. Eric McClain, ACC Network analyst,
former Clemson Tiger offensive lineman, our guy eMac, who joins
us every Monday on the show. He's going to swing
by the table, and we do have a ton to
talk about. But there's one thing, you know, as we
get closer to football season and we put the dog
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days of summer behind us and you know, really get
back into the rhythm that is late summer, early fall
training camp, ACC kickoff things like that Paul Skeins. We
have to have a conversation about Paul Skeins and Pittsburgh.
He tossed what six scoreless innings last night? Is that?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Is that correct to believe it was six scoreless innings?
I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Oh yeah, I know he was pitching last night. I
did not know, well how many innings.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So there's a lot of impressive things about Paul Skeins.
But check this out right, since nineteen oh one, the
number of players that have recorded three hundred plus strikeouts
and a sub to era through forty four career MLB starts.
You want to the list, it's Paul Skeens.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
That's the list since nineteen.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh one, three hundred plus strikeouts and a sub to
era through their first forty four career Major League Baseball
games starts.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Paul Skeins, that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That's the list in the history of the game in
one hundred and twenty four years, He's it. If we
were to compile the greatest, you know, the list of
the greatest athletes all time who were squandered by bad organizations.
You know, the greatest individual athletes who spent the majority
of their careers on terrible teams. Where do you start?
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Seven four, five, seven ninety six ten. Get my list
of met players ready for you? I got that, Okay,
we could talk about that. I'll tell you. The first
one that comes to mind for me is Barry Sanders
in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, you know it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I The first one that comes to mind for me
is Barry's Okay, So so, Colin Hogger just showed up.
He's at the set now. It's a wfn Z family
affair here this afternoon. He just said Megatron, which probably
would be the second on the list.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
When you're talking about any Lions player, Matthew Stafford, for
a time, you're ranking the all time greatest NFL players
who were squandered by bad organizations, the first two I
think almost have to be Detroit Lions with Barry Sanders
and Megatron, although I do think you could argue for
Archie Manning and Joe Thomas as well.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Could you could go to those guys too, Archie Manning.
A lot of you young pups have no idea just
how bad things were in New Orleans for the longest time,
for the longest time. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, so
but I mean they were awful seven oh four, five, seven,
ninety six ten. The greatest athlete of all time that
was wasted by a bad organization, Paul Skeens is rocketing
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to the top of that list with every single Major
league start. One of the great right handers that I've
ever seen already, and I can't imagine he's going to
be a Pittsburgh Pirate in a couple of years. We'll
talk about that. Great folks to talk to. Panthers training
camp discussion. We got guys that are hurt unfortunately, and
of course the ongoing search now to replace Josie Jewel
(20:55):
the inside linebacker spot. We get to it all live
from the Hilton in up Town AC Kickoff Sports Radio
ninety two to seven WFNZ.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Good Afternoon, Queen City, Live from the Hilton in Uptown,
Beautiful setting ACC kickoff day two celebrating the return of
football Atlantic Coast Conference Football to be exact. Big thanks
to Fran Brown, head coach of the Syracuse Orange, for
stopping by to start the show. Jeff brom head coach
at Louisville. He just walked by a couple of minutes ago.
(21:48):
He's going to join the table at three point fifty
coming up in about twenty two minutes. So I know
panther Bo is very excited to hear from his former
head coach Jeff Brom who was at Perdue now Louisville
and coming off a strong season, expected to be one
of the three or four best teams in the ACC
coming up this year. Miller Moss the transfer quarterback. And
we'll get to all that with Jeff Brohm coming up
(22:09):
in just a bit. But seven four five, seven ninety
six ten hit us up on the fan duel text line.
I asked a question Paul Skeins, who is on a tear,
an absolute tear to start his career in Pittsburgh. Did
it again? Six scoreless innings last night? Floundering no pun
intended or whatever that means. Yeah, nothing like that, but
you know, being squandered, let's say, by the Pirates organization.
(22:32):
We're compiling a list of the greatest athletes all time
to have been wasted by bad organizations, and it started
with this stat by the way, since nineteen oh one,
the list of players to have recorded three hundred plus
strikeouts and a sub to era through their first forty
four career MLB appearances.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
The list is Paul Skeens. That's it. Nobody else is
on the list. Nobody else.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
In fact, one pitcher again has recorded in MLB history
is sub to two ERA and more than one hundred
and sixty five strikeouts in his first forty four games.
Paul Skeins again a one point nine to four ERA
three hundred and seven k's in his first forty four appearances.
So who are the best players on the worst teams
of all time? I have gotten more Tony Gwinns on
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the FanDuel text line than I would have necessarily expected
to get. But I don't know that Tony gwyn because
coy think Colin Hoggers said, didn't they make it to
the World Series? He wasn't exclusively on bad teams?
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And I bring that one up because there are a
few people saying, what about Cam Newton? Can you can
you be included in this list if you made it
to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I don't think you can be.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
On this There there are multiple lists that have Julius
Peppers and Steve Smith on this list from the Panthers.
Even though Steve Smith made a Super Bowl, Right, Julius Peppers.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Made a Super Bowl. Yeah, I don't think they quiet.
I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I mean so Jeck's just said, Kemba, there you go.
That's a good one. Yeah, that's the good one. Like
that's They made the playoffs in twenty sixteen, but they
didn't win the playoff series. I mean, if they'd made
a run in twenty sixteen, you could probably argue against it.
But that's all they ever accomplished really with kim on
the floor unfortunately. So yeah, I think Kimba Walker definitely
deserves to be on this list. Brian in Mississippi said
(24:16):
Joe Thomas to me, he epitomizes the list and the
conversation that we're talking about future to mean Hall of
Fame left tackle, ten time Pro bowler, I think, basically
the same number of All pros, but never played in
a single playoff game in his career.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Elite at his position, but.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Never played in a playoff game in all his time
with the Cleveland Browns. So Joe Thomas definitely on the list.
Here's another one for the older football fans. Steve Largin.
Steve Largin out in Seattle. I mean, he is a
Hall of Fame wide receiver, one of the most prolific
wide receivers of his era, and I don't think he
played on anything better than an average team for his
(24:56):
entire football career.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Foind out did the Seahawks in the mid eighties were
actually pretty good?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, I mean, but we're talking about average teams like
they weren't anything special.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
They made the AFC Championship Game.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Well, okay, I mean, I'll yeah, I'll grant you that.
I don't know all the details of that year, but
Steve Largent, I think his individual success in prowess relative
to the team's success, I believe he absolutely belongs on
the list.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Here's an interesting one game.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Cock Moody just sent one in Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks,
And I love Dominique Wilkins. You know, not just you know,
a human highlight reel out there on the court, but
truly one of the best scorers in the National Basketball
Association in the eighties and the nineties like that. They
were consistent playoff contenders but never made a finals. So
(25:42):
I do think that Dominique Wilkins probably deserves to be
on this list, even though again, and I reference this
all the time.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
As a young NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Fan in that era, I adored the nineties era Atlanta Hawks.
I mean, Mookie Blaylock, Stacey Augman, Kevin Willis like, I
love those I loved those Atlanta Hawks teams of the
early to mid nineties. Smoke, I know you you weren't
around for that era.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
You didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You didn't get to sit up on a on a
Saturday night like I did on my parents' floor, you know,
watching you know, one of the old I'm trying to
think of the old TV sets, you know what the
names were, but with the round switches on them.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I'm sitting in the floor of my parents' room
because they want to watch what they want to watch
in the living room, and I've got it on WGN,
watching Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen and the Bulls battle
the mid nineties era Atlanta Hawks on a Saturday. I mean,
that was the highlight of my weekend when I was
a kid watching the Bulls play those Hawks teams on
WG and not only those Hawks teams.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
But you get the picture, well, I do.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I do want to bring up a couple of ones
that have gone on the text line I've seen a
couple of Dale Murphy's, which is a perfect one. I
think that's the best Atlanta based one is if you
pick a Dale Murphy or to a lesser extent, because
he was on the team that made the Super Bowl.
Jesse Tuggle one of the best and most underrated linebackers
of all time. Yeah, here's that I have not seen
get mentioned, and I think is one of the most
underrated players at the running back position ever. Stephen Jackson, ooh,
(27:08):
that's good. I don't think people realize how many rushing
yards he has. He has eleven four hundred and thirty
eight rushing yards, Kyle, that is eighteenth all time. He
is still ahead until Week one because he's only fifteen
yards ahead of King Henry.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That's how dominant he was.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
And all of his prime was wasted on those Saint
Louis teams because he got there in two thousand and four,
which was the last year they made the playoffs and
the quote unquote greatest show on turf Era and then
everything in between that was just straight up garbage. And
by the time he got to Atlanta, he was a
shelve and his former self and then the Falcons started
to suck again, and then he spent one year barely
(27:45):
doing anything on to Patriots in twenty fifteen to that
was it. That is a guy who had a border
Hall of Fame career that no one talks about.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Somebody said a minute ago, how have you guys not
mentioned Mike Trout yet? It almost feels too simple, like
he kind of epitomizes this list too, in the way
that is beginning to But yeah, I mean, of course,
Mike Trout has to be in the conversation. Three time MVP,
three time MVP, eleven time All Star, one of the
greatest players, if not the greatest player of his generation,
and has been to the playoffs once and was swept
(28:15):
in the playoffs and continues to Now you could say that, hey,
Mike could have been out of LA already. He could
have forced a trade, you know, he could have, And
that's true, and he had Otani for what three four
seasons out there, and it you know, didn't quite work
out the way they hoped it would. But yeah, Mike
Trout epitomizes this list, There's no question about that. And
speaking of baseball, somebody a minute ago, I think it
(28:37):
was Joe somebody said, Hey, I cheated and googled it.
Joe Monroe said, had to cheat and google it. Ernie Banks,
glad you said that. Yes, mister cub, Ernie Banks speaking
of MVP trophies, two time MVP but never played in
the postseason. Think about that in baseball, Ernie Banks, mister cub,
two time MVP, never played in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
With one of the more story franchises in the sports history.
And that's what's crazy to me. Yes, how about how
about Archie Manning. Yeah, that's that's one that definitely.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Comes to mind.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I mean, you get you're talking about a guy that
back in the seventies was sacked forty or more times.
Remember when they didn't draw back all that much. Was
sacked forty or more times, four different times. He was
David Carr before David Carr. I mean he got beat
up his I mean in his career he threw for
twenty three nine hundred and eleven yards and one hundred
and twenty five touchdowns and his record was thirty five
(29:33):
one oh one and three. Yeah, it's incredible, I mean unbelievable,
I mean incredibly bad. But it's still it's hard to
believe that they could beat that back. Yes, with a
player that talented. I got somebody on the decks line
yelling at me, hello.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Various enders. Yeah, that was the first, very first name
we mentioned in the conversation. I'm glad it's okay, I'm
glad you said it, but don't yell at me, Miguel. Yes,
Varius Anders was the first name that I mentioned in
the conversation. He's the first one that comes to mind.
Seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten Fandel text
line wide open Live from the ACC kickoff. If you're
just jumping in and wondering what the heck we're talking about,
Paul Sken's former number one overall pick, right handed pitcher
(30:09):
out of LSU playing for the Pittsburgh Pirates, continues to
dazzle and dominate individually, but doing so on a horrible
team in a horrible organization. Cheap, cheap, all the things
you want to say about the Pittsburgh Pirates, This guy
is incredible. I mean, this is a Mike Trout situation.
Not a not a position player, so he's not playing
(30:30):
day to day, but this is a Mike Trout situation.
What appears to be a generational talent being wasted in
a bad team, and so we're compiling the list of
the all time greatest athletes whose individual success was never
matched by the team's success, and they squandered, were squandered
by terrible organizations. Seven oh four five, seven ninety six
to ten. Hit us up with yours Megatron, hide and seek,
(30:53):
saying Steve Largent like I did. A couple of minutes ago,
somebody said Michael Vick on the text line, No, I
don't think Michael has any play. I mean he in college,
he went to the national championship game. You know, he
was drafted by the Falcons. They were good obviously, having
made it to the conference title game, and then he
blew up his own career. So I don't think Mike
belongs in the conversation at all. Let's see, Pudge Rodriguez
(31:15):
came in a minute ago. He won a World Series, right,
I don't. I don't think Pudge is in the discussion.
Dan Marino, Yeah, he made a.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Super Bowl in his second year. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I think they had enough teams to like, the Dolphins
were good and relevant because of him. But I just
think he, like Charles Barkley, he failed to get over
the Hump. Charles Barkley wouldn't be on this list because
he didn't exclusively play on terrible teams. In fact, he
played on some very good teams with Kevin Johnson and
Dan Marley and guys like that. Uh, he just played
in the wrong generation. Was repeatedly denied at the doorstep
(31:47):
by Michael Jordan and other stars of his areas well.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
There's a lot of baseball guys and you could throw
in there that didn't make the playoffs. Like that's the
thing with Ernie Banks. It was so difficult to make
the playoffs back then. That's why more my guys like
here's a great example in baseball, Felix Hernandez. That was
a guy that was stuck on a really bad, good,
bad group of Seattle teams when he was there, one
(32:10):
of I mean, one of the best pictures of its
generation that really won't be talked about because the wins
simply aren't there. Like Paul Skins right now, he is
five and eight on the season with a one to
nine to six rh.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
With over three hundred strikeouts. It's unbelievable. Forty four games.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I mean, I know that's not all this year, but
like still in forty four games, the man has three
hundred and seven strikeouts. Fancy, crazy, insane, and the Pirates
could not seem less interested in or motivated to do
anything about it.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
So they'll tell you they are.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm sure they'd point to certain things, but none of
it amounts to anything. Rod Caru on the text I
love that there are a lot of young fans out
there listening that probably have no idea who Rod Carew is.
But Rod Carew baseball side definitely, this will hurt Colin
Hoggards hard. Oh two of these will hurt Colin Hoggards hard. Yeah,
well the first one Charlotte Bodne GJ. I'm sorry, Uncle Frank,
says Joey Vada on the text line. But then someone
(33:02):
said present day Ellie de la Cruz on the text line.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Way too early.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh yeah, that's it's too early. Yes, I agree. But
like Cincinnati needs to get at act together because they've
got enough young talent that they really don't have an
excuse to not push further harder and go a little
bit more all in, you know, to try to get
back to being some semblance of the Reds organization.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
They used to be.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
But I think that the Ellida la cruz it might
not perfectly fit the conversation. But if you're predicting that
it will, it's hard for me to call you crazy
for doing that. All right, seven oh four five, seven
ninety six ten, hit us up on the FanDuel text
line live from acc kickoff. We got Jeff Brohm, head
football coach of the Louisville Cardinals, coming up in about
ten minutes.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Right now, we go to smoke on the headlines.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Who is smoked?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Where is smoke? Where there's smoke, there's fire. Let's go
what you got?
Speaker 6 (33:51):
All right?
Speaker 4 (33:51):
A couple bit of news.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
We kind of got lost in a sauce dude to
the Josie Jewel release yesterday. But unfortunately, Bobby Brown is
on the active non football injury list who start training camp.
He can come off at any point this uh before
the season starts. If he doesn't, it will be an
automatic trip to the IR for Bobby Brown, which is
not good news. But Kyle, on the cool side, I
(34:14):
got some cool news for you. NASCAR announced earlier today
that they are not going to the Chicago Street Race,
but they are going to be racing at the Naval
Base of Coronado in San Diego, California next year.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Smoke that in no way cheers me up about the
Bobby Brown news, not even close.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I felt that was pretty bad assunt. I'm not even
it's not a criticism.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'm not saying it's not cool, but like the way
you package that was like, hey, this will make you
feel better, and it doesn't make me feel even slightly better.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I'm sorry. I tried. I tried.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Oh it's okay, but like you under like I'm not
mad at you, but you understand that like this is
we got to talk about this on the other side.
That and Jeff brom Next Sports Radio ninety two to
seven wfn Z Sports Radio seven wufn Z Live from
(35:17):
acc kickoff here in Uptown. It's about that time again, folks.
Still vacation season for a lot of you.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
But I was.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I was talking to a friend of mine earlier this morning.
I said, yeah, my summer's over. My summer's over. This
is the schedule we're on. We love year round, all
the things that we talk about and cover, but there's
just nothing quite like football season. And we're still, you know,
a couple of weeks out from the Hall of Actually,
I was gonna take that back. We're now, what smoke,
a week out from the Hall of Fame game and Canton. No,
it's eight days. We're eight days out from the Hall
(35:44):
of Fame game and Canton. You know, fall practice about
to start for the college guys. We're talking to coaches
and players here at ACC kickoff. But you know, my
my summer's over because football is nearly back and I
love it. Training camp getting underway for the Panthers this week.
I'm busy here this week, and I've had a few
folks ask, you know, hey and see a Panthers practice today. Well,
they put the pads on next week, and we got
(36:06):
the college guys today, So that's the focus. But I'm
monitoring things from down the street and hearing some good things,
some bad things, like the Bobby Brown hamstring news, to
which we had some people on the text line respond
and say, hey, KB, I'm pretty sure Dave Canalis said
that Bobby Brown is you know, closing. He's gonna be okay.
Now I know that Dave Canali said he's gonna be okay.
He's on his way back. But I don't like big
(36:28):
men and hamstring. I don't like that at all. Hammies
can be tricky smoke on just about anybody. But until
I see big Bobby Brown out there next to dB
and A Shawn Robinson and company, hopefully soon, I'm gonna
be a little bit worried about it because big fellas
with hamstring injuries that concerns me. So I don't want
to jinx anybody, but I'll feel better once I see
him strap it on next week.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, exactly. Hammi's are nothing to mess with. They're like
sprint ankles. But I will say, if you're gonna have
to do with a hammy issue, especially for big men,
you'd rather have it on July twenty third than September
when he heard yeah ahead and put.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
It out there.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yes, I would agree with that statement on hundred percent.
So we have textters writing in about that. Jeff brom Head,
coach of the Louisville Cardinals, is expected to join us
here in just a minute or two here on Radio Row.
After that, not quite sure about things, we got flounder
here on the site. Engineering Colin Hoggard hanging out as
well smoke back in the Chandler Volta studios. The Carolina's
personal injury lawyers. One call. That's all go to Cvinjurylaw
(37:27):
dot com. And again Jeff Brom gonna stop by. Today
we have Louisville, we had Florida States, Pat and Ardozy
and Pitt are in the House today as well. And
then tomorrow is you know, I guess the big day.
Some people here might bristle at that today, but it
is what it is. Tomorrow's a big day for our audience.
We got Bill Belichick and Carolina in the house, Manny
Diaz and Duke, we got Clemson, we got States. Dave
(37:50):
Dorn I believe expected to join the show tomorrow, so
we'll talk about that. I bet you Bill Belichick does
not come within fifty feet of Radio Row tomorrow here
at acc kickoff, But we'll have to wait. See, I'm
gonna guess they usher him out the back door on
the third floor here, Flounder. I'm gonna bet you he
never even makes it down the escalator to radio.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
They're gonna say, sir.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
I don't know if you know this, but Radio Row,
there's a forty minute segment that's set aside just for
you to be talking to the radio folks.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, we're not gonna do.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
What do you mean, like like like a local radio
guys shows different markets, you know, acc markets.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
I'm gonna pass on that. I think I'm gonna pass well.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
I mean, the hope is that, you know, in the
ballroom here, maybe he'll have some guys running routes and
stuff like that. He is bringing Jordan's ship with him
along with Geo Lopez, So let's get some things rolling here. Okay,
let's get some things roll. When you said he's bringing.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Jordans, I think a lot of folks like me fought
for the second that it was Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Now apparently she is not coming, thank god.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
No, I didn't expect that I was getting those questions
when I was in New England last week because all
my family, the in laws, they all know what I
do for a living, obviously, and so they were asking
me about Belichick. To a man, every one of the
guys that I talked to, father in law, uncles, cousins,
family friends, every last one of them diehard Patriots fans,
said are you gonna talk to Belichick next week? And
I was like, I hate to break it to you,
(39:11):
but no, probably not. I don't think anybody. I think
very few conversations with Bill Belichick are gonna take place
here tomorrow, quite honestly. But let me ask you, since
I know you have plenty of airtime with Wes and
Walker and you've probably said everything about this and especially
your podcast too, like what is your range of wins
for Carolina this year?
Speaker 5 (39:28):
I've got them in that seven to eight win range.
I think that's probably a safe area. Maybe I could
see them getting to nine just because of how easy
the schedule is. I think there's some ways that you
could you could sell me on nine wins, but I
just don't know if there's nearly enough depth. I don't
know if there's nearly enough defensively for them to be
that good this year. So I could see them somewhere
(39:51):
in that seven to eight win range. I said on
the on the latest edition of the podcast that I'm
gonna determine whether or not it's seven or eight wins
before filling out my acc ballot, because I got to
order the teams. If I have him at eight, I'll
probably have them like seventh in the conference. Yeah, if
I got seven, I'll probably have them more towards like night.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
So I'm leaning eight.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
I'm leaning positive because I really like some of the
late additions they made on defense, and I just again,
that schedule is so easy, man. There are so many
opportunities for you to take advantage of an easy schedule.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Hopefully they're able to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Here's my question. If Geo Lopez turns out to not
be the right guy. Let's say he comes out and
the TCU games ugly, the Charlotte game's not great, did
they go to Max Johnson?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Do they go to Bryce Baker? Like if there?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm just I was thinking about this the other questions
like hopefully obviously you hope they don't make any quarterback changes,
but it happens in college football. And if Geo Lopez,
the South Alabama transfer, turns out to not be what
they're looking for.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
You know, I was looking at clips the other.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Day of the Manning camp, the Manning Passing Academy, and
I you know, there was a montage of quarterbacks jumping
in making throws out routes or whatever, and I saw
Max Johnson jump in there.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I mean, do they go to Max Johnson?
Speaker 5 (40:59):
They go to I would think that, especially early in
the year, they probably would go to Max Johnson. I
think if the scenario that you laid out, yes, I
think perfectly fits Max Johnson, because remember that after that
start that you have, you would you would then have Richmond, yep,
and then you would have a game against UCF on
(41:20):
the road before you then take on Clemson. Those are
way too tough games to say, hey, Bryce Baker, we're
gonna throw you in here.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Yeah, Richmond is an easier game. Maybe he can.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Navigate that, but I think they would want to go
with the veteran presence. We get later in the year
and Geo is good, but he's not nearly as effective
as you really need him to be.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Maybe he's similar to Jakobe Criswell.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
And has a couple of tough games, and you get
to that mid point of the season. I think by
that point, maybe Bryce Baker has shown you enough and
you say, you know what, We're gonna go to the
kid because he's got more talent.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Okay, I was just thinking about that the other day.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Smoke, by the way, mate, one Carolina fan, very angry
yesterday with a five to six win prediction, said that
Smoke was unprofessional because of it well and let his
Carolina hatred shine let's his Carolina hatred shine through too much.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
I won't go that far, but I will say if
they win five games, it's a failure.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
It's a failed experiment.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
At that point, you have to question, did you make
the wrong hire going out and getting Bill Belichick?
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Did he lose it?
Speaker 5 (42:17):
Did the Jordan Hudson stuff really affect him? Those are
the types of things that you will be asking. I mean,
we said it the other day because somebody had Carolina
finishing twelfth.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Oh is the USA today.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Writers had them collectively finishing twelfth in the conference? That
would be a complete failure. You hired Bill Belichick to
come in here and to win immediately.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Not saying you.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Got to make the College Football Playoff or anything, but
if you can at least get to seven wins, I'm sorry,
that's a failure.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
I hear you.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Seven h four five seven oh ninety six ten. Hit
us up on the FanDuel text line live from acc kickoff,
expecting Jeff brom to stop by here maybe in a
couple of minutes. But here's what we'll do for now,
so we don't screw up the clocks or anything. We'll
step aside. We'll come back second hour Jeff Brom's schedule
to stop by, we'll chat with him.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
May be the best audio in sports.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
More Panthers training camp to talk about as they're back
on the field and still they're searching for the replacement
for Josie Jewel. I saw hanter Renfro out there making
some catches today. My guy heat fan is just dying
for some Panthers training camp talk, so we'll get to it.
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