July 25, 2025 • 43 mins
In the show's opening hour, Kyle asks the listening audience whether or not he should watch Happy Gilmore 2 before his wife returns this weekend, and Joe Person joined the show to recap the first 2 days of training camp.
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Good afternoon, Queen City Sports Radio ninety two to seven
wfn Z. We made it to Friday. It's hot as
hell outside, but the weekend is here and we got
a hot show for you. Coming up. Joe Person of
the Athletic fresh off another day of Panthers training camp.
Coverage kind of you know, we'll talk about I don't
know why you looked at me like that smoke. I
said coverage at the end of it. Joe Person coming
(00:45):
up in forty two minutes. You get over there. Yeah
you said covers. I'm like, oh yeah, he's right here.
No coverage. We didn't have practice, No, no practice, but coverage.
Joe Person's up in forty two minutes. Because the last
couple of days have been, you know, mostly about ACC
football and ACC kickoff and all the things that we
did talking to Dabbo and Dave Dorn and Brent Pry
and lots of folks. We talked to Fran Brown. Yeah,
(01:05):
he was great too, So last couple of days, a
lot of college football, plenty of that today by the
way as well. Also coming up later, Marty Snyder, NBC
Sports Turner, Amazon Pitt Reporter, studio host talking NASCAR. Marty
Snyder at four twenty five and Nate Wemberley back in studio.
Haven't seen Nate like a month. We haven't spent a
segment together in studio for I think coming up on
(01:27):
a month almost so Nate Wimberley. I just talked to
him back in studio at five o'clock and then thinking
about that is we're not there yet, but I know that,
you know, his high school football preview coverage is just
around the corner. I think they've been doing some of
that already as my understanding, but you know, we are
near the moment where high school football coverage begins in earnest.
I mean we're a few weeks, handful of weeks away
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from the first high school football game.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Okay, handful of weeks from first high school football game,
because I usually think August first, that's first bad day, baby, Yeah,
it's midnight madness for a couple of schools.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
We're only what two two and a half? Yeah, week
you had like two weeks away from some jamboreee and jubilees,
and so you got all that coming up. So Nate
Wimberley back at five o'clock, seven oh four, five, seven
ninety six ten, hit us up on the FanDuel text Line,
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law dot com. There's a lot of things I want
to talk about today, but I don't want to acknowledge
that Happy Gilmore Too is out today. And We've been
having a lot of conversations off the air since I
got to the building today about comedy and comedians and
actors and movies. But Happy Gilmore two is out today, smoke.
I'm assuming that you have not watched Happy Gilmore two
(02:41):
on Netflix, right, No, not yet. This is something I'm
planning to watch this weekend though. Okay are you? Are
you anticipating because you're younger than me?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
This was in the wheelhouse of my formidable years. Well, yeah,
the movie came out a year before I was born,
right ninety six. Yeah, so I was ten when it
came out. This was right in the heart of me
being a kid and appreciating the legendary run that was
Adam Sandler. By the way, we have to compare his run,
I think, to something else in sports at some point,
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because that run he had in the mid to late
nineties is truly unbelievable. Right, But anyway, Happy Gilmore Too?
Is out? Did you? Because to me I cherished the
first one, like cherish it as a movie and experience.
It's one of the most quotable movies of my childhood.
How strongly do you feel about Happy Gilmore the original?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Oh, it's definitely one of his better films, And like
that three stretch movie run he had from you know,
from Billy Madison Happy Gilmore to the Wedding Singer, I
think is probably hit the greatest run of his career
and one of the greatest comedic runs for any comedian.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Of all time.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
In my opinion, I kind of go back and forth
between which one I like more, Between Happy Gilmore and
Billy Madison. I feel like Billy Madison is probably a
little bit more of my favorite of the too, But
it's like picking between I don't know about this, but
it's like maybe picking between your favorite kids you know
who's your favorite kid. Yeah, I feel like Billy Madison
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is slightly more quotable, but the best of the better lines,
like the villain in Happy Gilmore is way better, and
I think that makes the movie more digestible at times. Okay,
you know, I mean Bob Barker alone probably really helps
Happy Gilmore, especially when you found out.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I didn't you weren't here for this.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But Christopher McDonald, when he was on with Rich Eisen
a week and a half ago, revealed that Bob Barker
refused to have a stunt double do his punches.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
He wanted to punch. I saw that. Yeah, I saw
that Bob Barker wanted to hit somebody. He wanted to
hit somebody.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm like, just when you think Bob Barker can't get
any cooler, he somehow does.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okay, so there's a lot of conversation there based on
what you just said, but Happy Gilmore, see, I'm trying
to debate whether or not I should watch this without
the wife tonight and what I That was where the
original conversation popped up with me and Troppy. I know
they talked about the greatest all time sports comedies earlier
in the show, and that's a fun conversation. But like
my wife went to the same high school as Adam Sandler,
he is revered where she grew up. So you know,
(05:07):
when you're in a relationship, you're supposed to watch things
with the wife with the girlfriend. I know you're not
experiencing that right now, but one day you will that.
They expect you to watch all new shows and move
with them. Right You're not allowed to watch new and
interesting things without them, can't skip ahead, or if you do,
you better not talk about it. So I was telling
the guys earlier, there's still out of talent. I'm still
(05:28):
living that bachelor life for like another twenty four to
thirty six hours. So I got nothing to do right now.
This weekend, I was thinking about doing a sneak preview
and then try to do the convincing second watch with
the missus, But now Hoggard's got me convinced that she's
probably already watched it without me, and that I need
to preemptively strike, or at least it feels that way,
and go ahead and watch Happy Gilmore too tonight. I
am really I don't know. I'm excited about it because
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I think this is his funniest. Happy Gilmore the Original
I think was his funniest movie. There've been some really
good ones. Billy Madison's a strong contender. Big Daddy was
really funny, but Happy is arguably his funniest movie. To me, certainly,
I think his most quotable movie. And I'm a little
bit afraid of being let down when I watch Happy
Gilmore Too. What I'm specifically afraid of, I think is
that I'm hearing that this is it's a movie that
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is just jam packed full of cameos from athletes and
sportscasters and guys like that. I don't know, I feel
like you get to a point with that stuff where
it's too much sometimes and there's no way to actually
tell a movie or tell a story and do a movie,
you know what I mean? Like how many cameos have
been packed into this movie? And will it be a disruption?
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I'm not saying Happy Gilmore the Original It's one of
the greatest tales in cinematic history. I'm not saying that,
but like, is this going to be a letdown? Are
you at all afraid of Happy Gilmore Too? Being a letdown?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I'm kind of coming in with lower expectations just because
I know it's been This is kind of a run.
You risk you run when you have a sequel, Like
you gotta think. This has been twenty nine years in
between the movies. So that's usually whenever you have a
long time period between the movies, it usually doesn't work out.
Prime example would be, uh, the third Godfighter movie. There's
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eighteen years in between the Godfighter two and Godfighter Part three.
The Godfighter Part three, while I don't think it's horrendous
or the worst thing ever, definitely does not live up
to the standards of the first two Godfighters.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
My dad will never forgive me for taking him to
see Anchorman two, which came out ten years after the
first Anchorman. He hates me to this day about watching
Anchorman two in theaters. But there's like two hundred people
in the theater and he's like, really, we're watching this crap.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah. So it was not good in the sense of
it being a masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I don't think it'll live up to his best comedies,
but I also don't it can't be any worse than
some of the movies he's had in the twenty ten's.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Like I was just talking a little nicky experience.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, little Nikki aint even the worst movie, like you
never saw Jack and Jill.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, you were telling me about that before the show.
I never saw Jackie.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I saw that thing in theaters that both grown up
movies were pretty bad. I've heard that Pixels movie was
then to grown up movies at all. The first one
was alright, let's say the firstone was kind of good.
Second one was very redundant.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It's just I feel like you kind of know what
you're gonna get from Adam Sandler. I do think at
this point because the Internet like loves to crap on
him sometimes. Yeah, because of some of the movies he
had there in that span, he does get inderrated for
actually being a very talented actor, and I think we
got reminded by that was some of the movies he's
come out recently, like, for example, Uncut Gyms in the
movie he was the Basket.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I still haven't seen that one either. The other you
just see. I only need to see that movie once
because it'll it'll tear up your nerves.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
No, I've heard that. You told me that a bunch
that that Uncut Gems and Top Gun Maverick are still on,
like the two that I've got to get to at
some point. But the movie he did, maybe I do
that instead, Anthony Edwards the Basketball movie. Like so he said,
what was that movie called? And I thought it was good?
What was the basketball movie called?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
My gosh? Because that was a Netflix one too, Because
he's got this decade long, incredibly lucrative deal with Netflix.
That that's why you're able to watch Happy Gilmour Too.
He's a scheme mask all star with this deal. WHOA,
let's not disrespect the sand Man here. Okay, Well, by
the way, the it was called Hustle, Yeah, no, I
thought it was. I thought it was good. Like I
really enjoyed that movie. That was really good. It should
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have gotten the FIAT, all right. So anyway, get back
to the original point here, Happy Gilmore Too, Like this
is a slice of Americana from the greatest decade in
the history of humanity, like the nineteen nineties. I think
humanity peaked. We all peaked as humans. Humanity will not
get any better than it was in the nineteen nineties.
And Adam Sandler's comedy and his movies were at the peak,
the height of entertainment in the greatest decade in the
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history of American or of humanity. Rather, and so it does.
It's a concern to me that I'm gonna be let
down tonight. I shouldn't say tonight. I'm incriminating myself, my wife,
My wife listen. My wife doesn't listen to the show.
She gets enough of me at Home's a new Hampster. Still,
I'm gonna need you to scrub this part of the
podcast tonight and just don't put it up until like
Sunday when she gets back. All right, please, she's not
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gonna check it. I'm gonna be fine. But the point is,
I feel like I'm gonna be let down. I don't
want to feel that way though, because I want to.
I want to believe Sandman's got another, you know, masterpiece
in him, probably gonna check it out. I mean, I
had people warning me not to do it. They're saying, KB,
don't do it. Big cat Dan thinks I'm gonna get
myself in trouble. Yeah, somebody else said, KB, you'll never
do a convincing second watch to pretend to convince her.
(10:10):
You didn't watch it already. You don't know that I
can act all right. I was gonna say, how good
of a liar are you? Because I suck it lying? Yeah,
you're pretty bad at it. Yeah, yeah, you're really bad
at that. It's okay, it's a good thing. I'm not bad.
You know, I could be convincing. I don't want to
be a liar, so I don't practice it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I was gonna say, I feel like I asked this,
but then against you might know something somebody.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, I tell you. I mean, I feel like I
can convince her that I haven't seen the movie already,
but like, listen seven o four five seven ninety six ten,
how do we feel about Happy Gilmore too? I know
I've been anticipating it, excited about it, but now that
it's here, I'm a little bit hesitant to go do
the watch because I just don't want to. I don't
want to be let down by the sequel to because
I've been let down by so many sequels. You you've
been let down by so many sequels, Like we could
(10:51):
start rattling off the bad sequels, but oh my.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
God, I I think the most mad I ever left
the movie theater was after Rise of Skywalker, because they
they listen to all those pundits that were mad about
the Last Jedi, and it's like, Yep, this is the
movie you deserve, you losers deserve with that crap, and
I just roll. I never have rolled my eyes harder
at the movie than Rise of Skywalker.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Here's the thing, though, here's the main question that I
think should determine whether or not you watch it before
your wife gets home. Is your wife a talker daring movies?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Uh No, she's a check her phone and then ask
me two minutes later what just happened? Type of movie watcher.
That's that's who my wife. But she's not an annoying
like talker. No, my wife's not annoying, but she is.
She's the get distracted on her phone, miss a cool
two and a half minutes and then have to rewind
it or ask me what just happened. She is that person,
all right, because they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Frow my mom under the bus because I do not
watch movies with fair because she is horrendous at this.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
My dad she talks over during movies so you can hear.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Apparently my dad went with a family member and her
to go see Cliffhanger back in nineteen ninety three got
a great movie. She would not shut up to the
point where my dad just moved across the theater. Your
dad left your mom in the theater.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
No, no, no, he was still in the theater. He
just said, I know what you said. He just stood
up and walked away from his wife, your mother in
the theater because you wouldn't stop talking yeah to her. Yeah,
my wife wouldn't talk to me for a week if
I did that. Yeah, But my dad's built different. Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Anyway, I found out the hard way in twenty sixteen
when I went to go see Batman v.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Superman, Dona Justice with her and she's like.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh, Ben Affleck looks like this friend I went to
high school with running in that scene and Gin She's like,
oh is Robert Downey junior Alfred?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I'm like, no difference. And David got to the point
where it's like, oh, wonder woman's in this movie.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I'm like, she was into trailer nine months ago and
she was an out for it three years prior.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, now, listen, we got to back out of this.
That's funny as hell though. Seven oh four five seven
ninety six ten hit us up on the FanDuel text
line again. If you're just tuning in wondering if anybody
else is excited about Happy Gilmore too, but terrified of
being let down when you sit down to watch it.
And also, I do have to point out again, what
did how did we get into the conversation earlier about critics?
And because I because.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I told Flounder, well, you got to remember Ciskel and
Ebert did not like Happy Gilmore when it came out.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And I told you, yeah, big surprise, because those guys
get it wrong all the time. You took offense to
that when I took a shot at Siskel and Ebert. Yes,
R and P. Yeah, both of them are IP because
they defended a lot of movies that became big deals
back in the day.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
They were ardent defenders of film. And honestly, the film
industry is a worse place because they're no longer with us,
because they cared about the sanctity of film.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
The sanctity of film all right, Listen, movie critics are
notorious for whiffing on comedies. If you want to, there's
nothing less. I want to come up with a list
of things less useful than a movie critics opinion of
mainstream blockbuster comedies because they always get it wrong. I mean,
they gave Happy Gilmore like a fifty to five percent
approval rating, and the audience gave it like a ninety
percent approval rating. Like, I don't mean to speak ill
(13:54):
of the dead here, so I'm not going after Ciskel
and Ebert when but when it comes to movie critics,
does anybody really care what most movie critics think? I mean,
back in the aforementioned greatest decade in the history of humanity,
the nineteen nineties, when I was a child, even then,
I knew back then who cares what the critics thought? Right?
You read a review of a blockbuster movie that you
know they're promoting the hell out of the summer blockbuster.
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You see in the newspaper it's getting like, you know,
fifty eight percent positive reviews, and you're like, oh man,
Then you go watch it. It's hilarious. Then you remind
it over and over again that these stuffy, navel gazing
movie critics who just you know, want to be important
and want their opinion to matter, they get it wrong
all the time on these comedies. They have no idea
what's funny to the American public. Now, when you talk
about comedies.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I backed off of you completely because you're absolutely right
when it comes to movie critics.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But when it comes to other films, I if I
want a review of Babbel, fine, I care what they think,
I guess, or like Brazil or something like that. I
really don't even care that. Like they're allowed to have
opinions like everybody else. I just stopped seeking out movie
critic reviews. You know, probably twenty years ago, I stopped
caring entirely the if anything, I checked Rotten Tomatoes to
see what people thought. That's it. I don't care about
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the critic day.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I do want to let you know a siskel Knieber
are responsible for PG thirteen being a thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Really yeah, how'd they do that?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Well?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean, your voice has carried a lot of weight
back in the eighties because remember movies first to Indiana
Jones movie specifically had a lot of gro test stuff
and there was like we need to have it be
rated R instead of rated PG. And then it's like, well,
hang on, that's going to hurt their product and profits
because rated our movies, you know, especially back in those days,
for the target audience wasn't get that many ratings and
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so PG thirteen became a thing that really helped a
lot of action movies in the nineties that were violent
but not too violent.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
All right, Well, admittedly this entire conversation was on the
fringe of sports radio, but I think we all agreed
that Happy Gilmour too the arrival of it. It's certainly
worth the conversation on sports radio seven oh four five,
seven ninety six to ten. Hit us up on the
FanDuel text Liab, We'll take some phone calls when we
come back. I see the same text you just saw
Fort milkaneiac. Most movie critics also leg Press four seventy. Lol. Man,
(15:58):
that's funny. So I feel hell to read it. But like,
did they ever get in touch with Willy P this morning?
Did he ever acknowledge them this morning? Did we know?
I don't know. I didn't really pease my guy, like
we're I'm not getting into a fewd I'm not getting
into a beef with Willy P. Not doing it like
you know, he and I get along. I'm maintaining our
status quo. But that is funny. All right, Well, come back,
we'll take your phone calls. We talked some panthers Joe
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person coming up in twenty seven minutes Sports Radio ninety
two seven wfn Z Sports Radio seven wfn Z KB
(16:43):
and smoke with you here on a Friday, a hot Friday,
and I will I'll echo what Brad Panovich was posting
last night, because Brad's main point was, Hey, guys, don't
underestimate the heat out there. Take it seriously. And he's
right about that. Let your dogs inside, please, like, be safe,
don't go for a ten mile run in the middle
of the day, you know, things like that. Just be safe.
It's going to be hot out there the next couple
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of days. And I know it's summer, and it's always
hot in summer. We get that. But it's a lot
of one hundred gard now, a lot of ninety plus degree
days this summer. Nowhere close to the all time record.
I saw that back in nineteen fifty four there were
eighty eight days of ninety degrees or hotter in the
Queen City. And I think we come no, obviously, we're
gonna come nowhere close to that based on Brad's numbers
(17:25):
I saw earlier today. You don't have to knock on wood.
It's not even close. I know. Just better be safe
than sorry. That's like coming out of the All Star
break with twenty one home runs and talking about breaking
Barry Bond single season record, Like it's not the same thing,
but anyway, it is hot out there, so be safe.
Seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten. Hit us
up on the FanDuel text line. Joe person is back
in about eighteen minutes. We'll talk about the opening week
(17:47):
of Panthers training camp, what he's seen, the latest with
the injuries, what they do about the Josie jewel issue,
all of it, and of course we'll start to look
to the preseason and I'm assuming that we'll get how
much Part One of the talking points smoke on this
show and the others too, is that we expect to
see more from the starters in preseason then we saw
(18:09):
last year, but like how much more? Because you know,
when we found out that Dave Canalis had requested that
they basically do three joint practices with all three preseason opponents,
that were, like, Okay, Dave, seems like maybe he learned
a lesson last year, or he just doesn't want to
do it that way, and we're going to see a
whole lot more action for the starters in this preseason.
But how much more are you expecting?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I definitely think we'll see more than a drive in
a preseason game. Yeah, especially when you consider that that
drive was against the Buffalo backups last year. I toltally
p about this last week when you were off. I
think reasonable expectation will be especially when you have two
to three joint practices. A drive in one game and
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maybe a quarter or a half in another game, and
that's it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Okay, I mean it has to be more. Definitely, it
definitely has to be more. So anyway, I'm gonna come
back to this. I got a lot of Panthers to
talk about. But first let me let me take these
phone calls. We're gonna come right back to the Panthers.
But we open the show talking about today being the
release of Happy Gilmore too. The original Happy Gilmore, one
of Sandler's masterpieces, came out in the summer of nineteen
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ninety six at the peak of civilization. As we also
talked about, if you're a nineties baby, I know you
agree with me on that. So you know, Happy Gilmore
cult classic. I mean I think probably what you don't think.
So what do you mean, Oh, I don't think that's
a cult classic. I think because why not? It's always been.
I guess for me, it's always been in the mainstream.
(19:37):
What what does cult classic mean to you? I gotta
get to these phone calls for.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
A movie that doesn't have the widespread love throughout the release,
but then somehow, some way gains a small following and
it continues to grow and grow.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like if you want to use a cult classic.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
A prime example of that for comedy around that time
would be office based because Office Space didn't do that
well in theaters, but then it gained traction because I
believe Comedy Central had it on rerun into DVD sales
were massive. That was at the time where you know
you could get make your money back on DVD sales.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, sure, but let me ask you this, because again
I want to get to other things. But that Happy
Gilmore made thirty eight million dollars in the theaters, right,
that's not even close to being the all time right,
not even in the conversation of all time box office
smashed successes.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
No, but that was in an era where mid budget
films were comed occurrences. Now you don't see mid budget films, and.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That point's fair because they made three times what they
invested in the movie, right, Right, So that's why I'm
asking you. All Right, So you think cult Classic is
the wrong way to define that movie.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Huh No, I think it was a big hit in
a successful comedy movie that came out in the mid nineties. Okay, yeah,
I think Office Space is a better example, just because
it didn't do the best at the movie theaters didn't
make that much of a profit.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
What's the Tarantino movie like the epitome of the cult classic?
There's one that one specific one that I'm thinking of,
the ward Dogs. That's a good one. That it was
a small budget movie. That's a good one too. Right,
We'll keep talking about this, But I am worried about
Happy Gilmore Too being a letdown. I'm worried about Happy
Gilmore To being a letdown? How many people share that?
Your thoughts on it? Josh is up first here in
this segment. Josh, I appreciate you holding what's going on.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Hey, So I just wanted to let you know, don't
worry about watching the movie and Lyne, because.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
You've already taught your daughter how to lie, So you're.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Good to go.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
You're safe. That's true. That's a good point, all right,
fair enough, is that it? Okay?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
And the Sandman's got one more left in their bag.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
I think this one's going to be a hit.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Okay, all right, I think so, I hope. So anyway,
thank you, Josh. I appreciate the phone call. He's right.
I have already taught my daughter to lot so that
he's got a good point there. Uh, let's see who's
your Bobby back on the phone lines. Bobby, how you been.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Been good?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Great to have your back KB.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Thanks buddy, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I'm a little nervous because Happy Gilmore is a classic,
maybe like Smoke with Say, maybe it's a misunderstand stood classic,
especially by women. So my wife despised it the first
time we watched it together, and I continue to watch
it when it pops up and it just brings joy and.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Laughter to me.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
So looking forward to watching it. I'm hoping it. I'm
hoping it delivers. But a couple other things. Definitely watch
Maverick first over uncut Gems. I don't I don't think
it's even close myself.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Okay, Now, everybody that you know what that's actually something
that people tell me is that everybody I talked to
says top gun Maverick is awesome. So I'll probably start go.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
There first for sure. Uncut Jims is interesting. I'll say
that the last thing prior segment, they're talking about what's
more important to you this season for the Panthers, Bryce
and his u success or lack thereof or wins. What
where you sit on that?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, no, I heard that. Thank you, Bobby. Hope you're
doing well, buddy, stay cool out there. Every time I
say stay cool, I feel like I'm signing somebody's your book. Anyway.
Did y'all do that when you sign to year books
at the end of the year. Did you get a
bunch of stay cool evan with a lot of hags,
have a great summer? Oh well, that's a lazy way
to sign somebody's yearbook. That when you sign hags, that's
(23:12):
that means you don't like somebody. You've got a lot
of hags. Well everyone did it? You just told on
yourself seven four ninety six ten to Bobby's quat, I
did hear those guys talking about that earlier? Today? You
know what's more important? This season wins or Bryce. It's
(23:33):
always going to be wins because and especially given how
Bryce played down the stretch, if he continues doing that,
it should lead to wins. Now, we know if they
don't improve defensively off of last year's historically terrible effort,
that they can still very well lose games. See the
(23:54):
twenty twenty four Cincinnati Bengals right with you know, one
of the best, if not the best offenses in the league,
but an absolute trash can defense, and they missed the playoffs.
So we understand contextually that, you know, that would be
a different conversation. But like we're going into year three
of Bryce, he's got continuity with the head coach, so
it's a tough I don't know, it's hard to split
(24:15):
him because I don't think that the wins well, the
wins aren't going to be there if he doesn't play well.
So they're interconnected. But the answer for me is always
just going to going to be simply wins. You don't
have to win twelve games in the regular season, you know,
for this to be a successful year, but they need
to win more football games. They need to go win
seven eight games. To me, you got to win seven
games minimum this year for people to still feel like
(24:38):
this can go in the right direction right seven oh four, five,
seven ninety six to ten. Devin is up next on
the phone lines, Devin, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Hey, you don't know way about jo Bill? Now watching
the movie with or d tokase? Are you watched them
without you?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You think so? Yeah, she might have.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
I'm all gonna watch it out my dead I'm gonna
phone and.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Then WHOA watch the whole movie and they want to
watch it later on?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
You got a plan? Huh?
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Yeah, I'm about to ask you right now.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So you're what you say, You're watching it right now
while you wait for yees. Don't let her find out. Listen,
my man, Devin, it sounds like you know you're in
the relationship fit. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
You.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You don't want to get caught doing that, right, Nope,
We'll be safe out there, brother, be smart about it too.
I appreciate the phone call. Jersey. Frank is up next, Frank,
what's going on?
Speaker 6 (25:45):
First of all, Maverick is flipping awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay, you gotta see that.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Uh, but instead of wasting your time and listen, don't
get me wrong, I'm sure it's gonna be a little
bit funny, but you need to go see f one.
I'm not a Brad pick guy. I'm a Tom Cruise guy.
But I'm telling you what Brad Pitt will make you
get jacked up in like for him, for his at
his part. You just he did a frigging awesome job
(26:12):
in that movie.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Like he really did.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Like I don't like him, but he was great in
the movie.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
He really was.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I think he'd enjoy that. Anybody I've heard that went
to see it, they love it too. But yeah, as
far as watching movies, I can't watch episodes of Cobra
Kai like because I'm rewatching it if my wife's got
upstairs with it, because I know she doesn't listen to
the radio stations.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
So I'm good.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Yeah, Like, yeah, I can't do it. Bro, I'll be dead.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
I was just I was just turning it on.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh, dude, I was. When I flew out to l
A a couple of weeks ago, I started binging the new
Owen Wilson Golf Show on Apple TV, just on the plane,
because I mean I had a five hour flight both ways,
and I started watching dude, I got home and I
accidentally let it slip that I'd already seen the first
five episodes of that show and she was she was living.
She was living.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yes, dude, even five or season six?
Speaker 4 (27:02):
What I mean?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
See the five seasons Cobra Kai probably one of the
best TV shows the way they wrote it ever, And
I'm watching I think it was like episode six, what
are you doing? I'm like, we've already seen this.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
I want to watch it for me.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh, they get rially, but if it's it's a double
standard because they do the exact same thing. Thank you,
Frank coming up against the brother. I appreciate the phone call.
Let me stay at Cowboys Shawn real quick before we
hit a break. Sean, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
How you been hey?
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Listen? KB, how you doing good? And all that or whatever? Yes, sir,
good god, Jared don't want to pay Dak is doing
that crap whatever, super Bow and all that. I got
a question to asking though, when it comes to the Panthers,
I mean, I respect, you know, the quarterback and all that.
(27:46):
If he doesn't come through today and when it not
this year, when it comes to next year, all the quarterbacks,
what's gonna happen. I'm gonna ask you the question, because
are they gonna still give them another chance or draft
another quote?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Give me, give me a scenario though, because there's a
wide range of possibilities here, like what's.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
All basically all of the quarterbacks, you know, when it
comes to the so called experts saying that next year
is going to be you know, krem de la kreme
when it comes to the quarterbacks. And if you know
mister Young does to do well, I'm not going to
give him another chance. Caleb willis getting beat over this,
(28:28):
you know, get hit upside the head. This is your year.
You better do it this year and seven mores and okay,
pass pass, Go ahead, fellows, do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay. You're looking at arch Mann and Drew Aller Kaide Club,
Nick Garrett nus Meyer, Carson bad Man.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
But he might not No, no, I agree, he very
well might not say but he can't.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
And Grant Daddy stayed four years. He's staying four years.
That's going to be a narrative. Arch Manning, arch Manning,
He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Thank you, Sean. I got to hit it BRK I
appreciate the phone call, brother, it's what are they going
to do? I don't know, you know, I think you're
talking about the Panthers and the Cowboys. The quarterbacks flop
and it's a fair question, you know. You know me,
Smoke and I talk about this all the time. The
next quarterback class is always the greatest quarterback draft class
of all time until we get to February and we
start ripping them to shreds, tearing them apart. Guys start falling,
(29:23):
and then you know, the season start, we look back
and we're like, oh, Okay, maybe it wasn't the greatest
quarterback class of all time that said Manning. Arch can
come out, Drew Allert, Penn State will come out, Club
Nick will come out, Sellers can come out, Carson Beck will,
but Nico will be potentially in. I'd imagine he's coming
out unless he has a terrible season. So I mean,
there's a lot of possibilities there, Garrett us Meyer, you know,
(29:44):
I think I don't mention it or not, but eh,
I'm not that fired up. All right, let's go to
smoke on the headlines. Who is smoke? Where is smoke?
Where there's smoke, there's fire, Let's go oh real quick,
TC said the sequel, The Coming to America was horrible?
Am I the only one that liked it? I figure
(30:05):
in the minority on really because I didn't really seek
out any other opinions. I just wanted it once. I
didn't want to see it. I didn't think it was bad.
I mean I expected it. It's kind of like Tonight.
I kind of stop saying tonight. It's kind of like
Happy Gilmore too, Like I don't know, I'm adjusting expectations.
It's a modern day version three decades later. I didn't
think Coming to America the sequel was terrible at all.
(30:25):
But anyway, floor shores.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
All right, Well it's not been a great week to
be a Memphis Tiger. As earlier this week they basically
threw out two hundred million dollars asking to join the
Big twelve into Big twelve within two hours said yeah
no thanks. And now, yesterday, right after our show ended,
on three Sports, had attained a direct message of former
Memphis defensive back Todd Rawell sending utsa quarterback that's Texas
(30:48):
san Antonio. Owen McCown, son of Josh McCown, the Tiger's playbook,
entire playbook before the game, and it happened that the
road Runners were able to put forty four points up
on the BA and win the game.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Kyle, Yeah, I mean definitely feels unethical to say the least.
It worked. It seems to have worked. Yeah, But the
thing is they don't seem to be at all bothered
by this in Purdue, right, I mean or not in Purdue.
Sorry I should say. Tim Pernetti doesn't let me start there.
(31:22):
It doesn't seem bothered by this. He said he's aware
of it. He's had a very open dialogue. There's not
much to this story. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely not great.
The statement from Purdue read quote our coaching staff sees
the scenario as being mischaracterized and does not have any
concerns moving forward. End quote. That's why I mentioned Purdue. Okay,
(31:43):
all right, well come back, Joe Person of the Athletic
Panthers Training Camp Report. Next Sports Radio ninety two to
seven wfn Z Sports Radio ninety two to seven WFNZKB
(32:13):
and Smoke having a good time, real good time coming
up in forty minutes. Marty Snyder, NBC Sports, Amazon, NASCAR
Cup Series Pit reporter and studio host, our buddy Marty
Snyder back at four twenty five, Nate Wimberley and studio
at five. A lot to get to there, but right now,
as promise, we talked some football of the Panthers variety
with the Panthers beat writer you all know him is
a household name. Joe, person of the athletic is back
(32:36):
with us on the body Works plus guest hotline Joe.
What's going on? Brother? How are you?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Man?
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Welcome back for vacation.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Thanks man, it's good to be back. I just got
a text from a friend Nada said do you miss
New England weather yet? And I was like, yeah, only
in the summer, only in the summer, but yeah, it's
pretty high run. Yeah, So what's I mean, You've been
out there in the heat. Well it's not been that
hot just yet, but you've been out there covering this
team this week in the first week of training camp.
I've read your recaps. I read yesterday. But for anybody
who hasn't highlights this week, what stood out so far?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Princely whom and me? Allen's first step off the edge
and yeah, listen, I really don't I say that somewhat
tongue in cheek, but not really. I mean, and and
and again. You and I've talked for years that you
don't want to put too much emphasis on practices in
shorts and helmets and shells, like defense should have the
(33:28):
upper hand and and they have offense. You know, hadn't
really gotten to put their hands much on these guys.
But yeah, Princely the first day, of course, it beats
Ikey with an outside move. Either did or didn't contact Bryce.
Well I guess he did, but it was inadvertent to
kind of much ado about nothing. But but then the
(33:50):
second day, what I was impressed with is I watched
him beat Ikey again with an inside move. And you
know that again I've had some people on Twitter saying, well,
should we be worrying about, you know, our left tackle.
I said, not yet. Let's like it's end of July,
and as I just said, it's they're out there in shorts.
(34:12):
So but he caught my eye that the rookie Jimmy
horn speed hadn't made any like spectacular catches yet. But
but he just he just sort of is sudden and
and the kind of guy you notice going from drill
to drill and then when he gets to the drill
he Dave Canalis just said, he's like, he's a guy
(34:34):
who elevates practice with that energy. And I think the
more of those guys the Panthers can start stacking, the
better they're going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
All right, So stay on Ichy for a second. There
were there's talk of a contract negotiation. Still feels like
he's got a big year coming up in terms of
proving what he is. What do you imagine the stance
from Dan Morgan and Brent Tillis is right now on
the future Vicky and the contract negotiations.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Well, I think they were ready to resign him in
the spring at the right price. And and Ikey said, you know,
didn't think had they agreed with where the talks were,
they had had a deal done. So we can only
surmise that if he, you know, thought his value was higher,
and and that's how you should start out as a player.
(35:20):
You don't, you know, take their first offer and then
you and I shouldn't do that either in our line
of work. So but I was just talking to some
people around the league and even here in Charlotte. These
guys are going to left tackles just by nature of
the position. Whatever you think of Ikey Ikwanu, and you
(35:41):
know two years ago he was really bad. Last year
with this new coaching staff, in particular tackles, coach Joe Gilbert,
I thought he took some really good steps in the
right direction, reduced his penalties, reduced his sacks allowed, and
while remaining a very good run blocker by the way.
But any rate you're going to pay him, I mean,
(36:02):
twenty million a year is like kind of the starting point,
Like that only gets you in the top twelve. AAVs
of left tackles around around the league, and so you're
probably looking a little more than that, you know, to
get him in the top ten, which I would guess
his side is, you know that's going to be, you know,
a minimum of where they want to be with with
(36:22):
Ikey Aquana's next contract.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Joe person with us here on a Friday afternoon talking
Panthers football. Now Bryce any again, they haven't put pads
on yet, but we do get a quarterback back who
knows the offense. We were just talking about this a
little while ago, so you know, it's not the unlike
last year a year ago, this time you're not covering.
I'm not talking about you know, Bryce and Dave and
(36:45):
what's it all going to look like. We got a
sense of that last year that got the continuity. Now
anything looked different, anything stand out already, maybe in terms
of the flow of the offense or Bryce's role in.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
It, not really in fact, as I said, those first
two days, buddy, you know, the defense kind of had
the upper hand. It doesn't. It's not to say they
dominated and Bryce, you know, was you know, cowering in
a corner of the field, not at all, but you
know he was picked off both days. I mean, this
is an offense and defense, but but more, you know,
(37:15):
I think it's more instructive from an offensive standpoint. When
you are still doing install you don't have all your weapons,
you know, you know, you're you're not showing your hand,
You're barely showing anything because you're still putting the plays in.
And that's that's what Dave Canalis and his offensive staff
are doing right now. But no, I've seen him make
(37:36):
some really nice throws to t mac at a Roe McMillan,
and then yesterday it just happened to be right in
front of where I was standing in the end zone.
They were doing seven on seven red zone drills and
he Bryce threaded a really nice pass into coverage to
David Moore and he kind of worked his way into
the into the end zone. And David Moore, like I know,
(38:01):
Hunter Renfro' is a awesome story. And I wrote this
story in June like a lot of us did, and
just you know, everybody loves a good comeback, and he
was through hell with his health and now he's back,
and you pull for a guy like Hunter renfro. But
David Moore kind of earned the trust of Bryce Young.
Last year. Stats didn't jump off the page, but they
(38:21):
were some of David Moore's best stats in about three
or four years. And so all I'm saying is, don't
sleep on this guy. As camp goes along, I'm kind.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Of buried the lead here because we've been I think
we've been so tied up with acc stuff. It's almost
taking a back burner this week. But I was on
air Tuesday when the Josie Jewel news broke, and they've
got to figure out exactly what they're going to do
about that. You've written about it. I can't imagine Christian
Rose Boom is their solution. I mean, maybe I'm wrong
about that, but what do they do now without Josie Jewel, Well.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Rosen Boom gets the first snaps obviously that they're not
going to rush right out and signing a linebacker off
the couch that hadn't been I think they could at
some point, but I just don't think it's going to
be immediately. And you know, Jacobe Winman started a couple
of games for them last year when when Shaq got hurt,
and I think Trevin Wallace missed a couple of games.
(39:12):
I mean, they it's you know, they have some guys
who with some experience and Claude share List is a
guy again, isn't? And I know you the listeners are
probably rolling their eyes, and I get it.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
You went.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
You went from Shaq Thompson and Josie Jewell opening week
starters last year to now you got second year Trevin
Wallace and you know heretofore this year. Journey man Christian
Rose really a special team spot, but he did. He
did have a one hundred and thirty six tackle season
last year for the Rams. And sometimes tackle stats or
(39:50):
whatever and don't necessarily tell you a guy's worth. But
I want to give this guy a couple of weeks
and and maybe even into the first game of preseason
games to see how he does. Like I thought it
was interesting that right away at Jared Vero, who knew
him briefly in LA, gave him the green dot like
(40:11):
he is calling defensive signals Christian rose boom Is rather
than Trevin Wallace. And so I think there is a
level of respect there among the coaching staff and the
guys who played with him in LA that at least
is worth, you know, kind of seeing what he can
do initially.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Okay, all right, fair enough, Now let's stay on the defense.
Demani Richardson seems like they like him a lot. I mean,
I know, the guy across from me here in the
studio had his fingers crossed for Julian Blackman, but you
know he's in New Orleans instead. Is the did they
think the solution is on the roster? In the former
Demonti Richardson, I.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Wrote something at the beginning of this week, just kind
of previewing training camp, and I said that my sense
was that kind of like I said at linebacker, but
that they were not going to go sign one of
these veteran free agent safeties that they wanted to give
some of these younger guys a chance. And you know
(41:04):
that's what good teams that you know, that build through
the draft or in Richardson's case, an undrafted free agent.
You know that good teams do that and you're not
always trying to patch holes and you know, until you
have to with a bunch of injuries. So I didn't
hate it. Yeah, I did think it was interesting. You know,
Dave Canalis comes at it from a quarterback coach standpoint
(41:25):
where asked him about the play or Richardson really may
he ran a long way across the field to pick
off this ball that was that Bryce's pass intended for
Rentro and Da've complimented Richardson, but he did say, yeah,
ball's a little overthrown. But nevertheless he went and made
a nice play on the ball and it was a
(41:46):
good start of camp for the Texas a and m
undrafted guys.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Did you see Ocho Cinco declaring he thinks this might
be the best wide receiver room in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. We had We talked to
Adam Feeling the day on Zoom. These guys. They didn't
a practice, just a walk through. But and someone asked
feeling about that. And the backstory, if I understood it correctly,
is last year, maybe around the time the Panthers went
out to Vegas with Andy Dalton at the helm O
(42:17):
Chosinko was dumping all over the receiving corps and I
think he and Felon talked and had a good conversation.
And I think this is sort of perhaps Chad Johnson
doing his buddy Feeling a solid by reversing course quite,
you know, very quickly, and a one to eighty degree
(42:37):
shift from what he apparently was saying last fall. But listen,
it's a better receiving core than it was a year ago,
no doubt about it. Just you know, McMillan alone, you know,
rises that boat, raises that tide. And then I mentioned earlier,
I mean horn speed is intriguing. I don't think Jimmy
(42:58):
Horn is necessarily going to be a game changing guy
on this offense right away. I think he could do.
I think he could do some things in the return game,
but I don't know he shoot, I may be selling
him short of me. You know, he may get out
there and you know impact some games on offense as well.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Can't wait to find out Pad's go on next week.
And I will see you out there, buddy. I appreciate
the time.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
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a hot show for you. Coming up. Joe Person of
the Athletic fresh off another day of Panthers training camp.
Coverage kind of you know, we'll talk about I don't
know why you looked at me like that smoke. I
said coverage at the end of it. Joe Person coming
(00:45):
up in forty two minutes. You get over there. Yeah
you said covers. I'm like, oh yeah, he's right here.
No coverage. We didn't have practice, No, no practice, but coverage.
Joe Person's up in forty two minutes. Because the last
couple of days have been, you know, mostly about ACC
football and ACC kickoff and all the things that we
did talking to Dabbo and Dave Dorn and Brent Pry
and lots of folks. We talked to Fran Brown. Yeah,
(01:05):
he was great too, So last couple of days, a
lot of college football, plenty of that today by the
way as well. Also coming up later, Marty Snyder, NBC
Sports Turner, Amazon Pitt Reporter, studio host talking NASCAR. Marty
Snyder at four twenty five and Nate Wemberley back in studio.
Haven't seen Nate like a month. We haven't spent a
segment together in studio for I think coming up on
(01:27):
a month almost so Nate Wimberley. I just talked to
him back in studio at five o'clock and then thinking
about that is we're not there yet, but I know that,
you know, his high school football preview coverage is just
around the corner. I think they've been doing some of
that already as my understanding, but you know, we are
near the moment where high school football coverage begins in earnest.
I mean we're a few weeks, handful of weeks away
(01:47):
from the first high school football game.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Okay, handful of weeks from first high school football game,
because I usually think August first, that's first bad day, baby, Yeah,
it's midnight madness for a couple of schools.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
We're only what two two and a half? Yeah, week
you had like two weeks away from some jamboreee and jubilees,
and so you got all that coming up. So Nate
Wimberley back at five o'clock, seven oh four, five, seven
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law dot com. There's a lot of things I want
to talk about today, but I don't want to acknowledge
that Happy Gilmore Too is out today. And We've been
having a lot of conversations off the air since I
got to the building today about comedy and comedians and
actors and movies. But Happy Gilmore two is out today, smoke.
I'm assuming that you have not watched Happy Gilmore two
(02:41):
on Netflix, right, No, not yet. This is something I'm
planning to watch this weekend though. Okay are you? Are
you anticipating because you're younger than me?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
This was in the wheelhouse of my formidable years. Well, yeah,
the movie came out a year before I was born,
right ninety six. Yeah, so I was ten when it
came out. This was right in the heart of me
being a kid and appreciating the legendary run that was
Adam Sandler. By the way, we have to compare his run,
I think, to something else in sports at some point,
(03:10):
because that run he had in the mid to late
nineties is truly unbelievable. Right, But anyway, Happy Gilmore Too?
Is out? Did you? Because to me I cherished the
first one, like cherish it as a movie and experience.
It's one of the most quotable movies of my childhood.
How strongly do you feel about Happy Gilmore the original?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Oh, it's definitely one of his better films, And like
that three stretch movie run he had from you know,
from Billy Madison Happy Gilmore to the Wedding Singer, I
think is probably hit the greatest run of his career
and one of the greatest comedic runs for any comedian.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Of all time.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
In my opinion, I kind of go back and forth
between which one I like more, Between Happy Gilmore and
Billy Madison. I feel like Billy Madison is probably a
little bit more of my favorite of the too, But
it's like picking between I don't know about this, but
it's like maybe picking between your favorite kids you know
who's your favorite kid. Yeah, I feel like Billy Madison
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is slightly more quotable, but the best of the better lines,
like the villain in Happy Gilmore is way better, and
I think that makes the movie more digestible at times. Okay,
you know, I mean Bob Barker alone probably really helps
Happy Gilmore, especially when you found out.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I didn't you weren't here for this.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But Christopher McDonald, when he was on with Rich Eisen
a week and a half ago, revealed that Bob Barker
refused to have a stunt double do his punches.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
He wanted to punch. I saw that. Yeah, I saw
that Bob Barker wanted to hit somebody. He wanted to
hit somebody.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm like, just when you think Bob Barker can't get
any cooler, he somehow does.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okay, so there's a lot of conversation there based on
what you just said, but Happy Gilmore, see, I'm trying
to debate whether or not I should watch this without
the wife tonight and what I That was where the
original conversation popped up with me and Troppy. I know
they talked about the greatest all time sports comedies earlier
in the show, and that's a fun conversation. But like
my wife went to the same high school as Adam Sandler,
he is revered where she grew up. So you know,
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when you're in a relationship, you're supposed to watch things
with the wife with the girlfriend. I know you're not
experiencing that right now, but one day you will that.
They expect you to watch all new shows and move
with them. Right You're not allowed to watch new and
interesting things without them, can't skip ahead, or if you do,
you better not talk about it. So I was telling
the guys earlier, there's still out of talent. I'm still
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living that bachelor life for like another twenty four to
thirty six hours. So I got nothing to do right now.
This weekend, I was thinking about doing a sneak preview
and then try to do the convincing second watch with
the missus, But now Hoggard's got me convinced that she's
probably already watched it without me, and that I need
to preemptively strike, or at least it feels that way,
and go ahead and watch Happy Gilmore too tonight. I
am really I don't know. I'm excited about it because
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I think this is his funniest. Happy Gilmore the Original
I think was his funniest movie. There've been some really
good ones. Billy Madison's a strong contender. Big Daddy was
really funny, but Happy is arguably his funniest movie. To me, certainly,
I think his most quotable movie. And I'm a little
bit afraid of being let down when I watch Happy
Gilmore Too. What I'm specifically afraid of, I think is
that I'm hearing that this is it's a movie that
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is just jam packed full of cameos from athletes and
sportscasters and guys like that. I don't know, I feel
like you get to a point with that stuff where
it's too much sometimes and there's no way to actually
tell a movie or tell a story and do a movie,
you know what I mean? Like how many cameos have
been packed into this movie? And will it be a disruption?
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I'm not saying Happy Gilmore the Original It's one of
the greatest tales in cinematic history. I'm not saying that,
but like, is this going to be a letdown? Are
you at all afraid of Happy Gilmore Too? Being a letdown?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I'm kind of coming in with lower expectations just because
I know it's been This is kind of a run.
You risk you run when you have a sequel, Like
you gotta think. This has been twenty nine years in
between the movies. So that's usually whenever you have a
long time period between the movies, it usually doesn't work out.
Prime example would be, uh, the third Godfighter movie. There's
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eighteen years in between the Godfighter two and Godfighter Part three.
The Godfighter Part three, while I don't think it's horrendous
or the worst thing ever, definitely does not live up
to the standards of the first two Godfighters.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
My dad will never forgive me for taking him to
see Anchorman two, which came out ten years after the
first Anchorman. He hates me to this day about watching
Anchorman two in theaters. But there's like two hundred people
in the theater and he's like, really, we're watching this crap.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah. So it was not good in the sense of
it being a masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I don't think it'll live up to his best comedies,
but I also don't it can't be any worse than
some of the movies he's had in the twenty ten's.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Like I was just talking a little nicky experience.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, little Nikki aint even the worst movie, like you
never saw Jack and Jill.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, you were telling me about that before the show.
I never saw Jackie.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I saw that thing in theaters that both grown up
movies were pretty bad. I've heard that Pixels movie was
then to grown up movies at all. The first one
was alright, let's say the firstone was kind of good.
Second one was very redundant.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It's just I feel like you kind of know what
you're gonna get from Adam Sandler. I do think at
this point because the Internet like loves to crap on
him sometimes. Yeah, because of some of the movies he
had there in that span, he does get inderrated for
actually being a very talented actor, and I think we
got reminded by that was some of the movies he's
come out recently, like, for example, Uncut Gyms in the
movie he was the Basket.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I still haven't seen that one either. The other you
just see. I only need to see that movie once
because it'll it'll tear up your nerves.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
No, I've heard that. You told me that a bunch
that that Uncut Gems and Top Gun Maverick are still on,
like the two that I've got to get to at
some point. But the movie he did, maybe I do
that instead, Anthony Edwards the Basketball movie. Like so he said,
what was that movie called? And I thought it was good?
What was the basketball movie called?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
My gosh? Because that was a Netflix one too, Because
he's got this decade long, incredibly lucrative deal with Netflix.
That that's why you're able to watch Happy Gilmour Too.
He's a scheme mask all star with this deal. WHOA,
let's not disrespect the sand Man here. Okay, Well, by
the way, the it was called Hustle, Yeah, no, I
thought it was. I thought it was good. Like I
really enjoyed that movie. That was really good. It should
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have gotten the FIAT, all right. So anyway, get back
to the original point here, Happy Gilmore Too, Like this
is a slice of Americana from the greatest decade in
the history of humanity, like the nineteen nineties. I think
humanity peaked. We all peaked as humans. Humanity will not
get any better than it was in the nineteen nineties.
And Adam Sandler's comedy and his movies were at the peak,
the height of entertainment in the greatest decade in the
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history of American or of humanity. Rather, and so it does.
It's a concern to me that I'm gonna be let
down tonight. I shouldn't say tonight. I'm incriminating myself, my wife,
My wife listen. My wife doesn't listen to the show.
She gets enough of me at Home's a new Hampster. Still,
I'm gonna need you to scrub this part of the
podcast tonight and just don't put it up until like
Sunday when she gets back. All right, please, she's not
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gonna check it. I'm gonna be fine. But the point is,
I feel like I'm gonna be let down. I don't
want to feel that way though, because I want to.
I want to believe Sandman's got another, you know, masterpiece
in him, probably gonna check it out. I mean, I
had people warning me not to do it. They're saying, KB,
don't do it. Big cat Dan thinks I'm gonna get
myself in trouble. Yeah, somebody else said, KB, you'll never
do a convincing second watch to pretend to convince her.
(10:10):
You didn't watch it already. You don't know that I
can act all right. I was gonna say, how good
of a liar are you? Because I suck it lying? Yeah,
you're pretty bad at it. Yeah, yeah, you're really bad
at that. It's okay, it's a good thing. I'm not bad.
You know, I could be convincing. I don't want to
be a liar, so I don't practice it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I was gonna say, I feel like I asked this,
but then against you might know something somebody.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, I tell you. I mean, I feel like I
can convince her that I haven't seen the movie already,
but like, listen seven o four five seven ninety six ten,
how do we feel about Happy Gilmore too? I know
I've been anticipating it, excited about it, but now that
it's here, I'm a little bit hesitant to go do
the watch because I just don't want to. I don't
want to be let down by the sequel to because
I've been let down by so many sequels. You you've
been let down by so many sequels, Like we could
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start rattling off the bad sequels, but oh my.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
God, I I think the most mad I ever left
the movie theater was after Rise of Skywalker, because they
they listen to all those pundits that were mad about
the Last Jedi, and it's like, Yep, this is the
movie you deserve, you losers deserve with that crap, and
I just roll. I never have rolled my eyes harder
at the movie than Rise of Skywalker.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Here's the thing, though, here's the main question that I
think should determine whether or not you watch it before
your wife gets home. Is your wife a talker daring movies?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Uh No, she's a check her phone and then ask
me two minutes later what just happened? Type of movie watcher.
That's that's who my wife. But she's not an annoying
like talker. No, my wife's not annoying, but she is.
She's the get distracted on her phone, miss a cool
two and a half minutes and then have to rewind
it or ask me what just happened. She is that person,
all right, because they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Frow my mom under the bus because I do not
watch movies with fair because she is horrendous at this.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
My dad she talks over during movies so you can hear.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Apparently my dad went with a family member and her
to go see Cliffhanger back in nineteen ninety three got
a great movie. She would not shut up to the
point where my dad just moved across the theater. Your
dad left your mom in the theater.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
No, no, no, he was still in the theater. He
just said, I know what you said. He just stood
up and walked away from his wife, your mother in
the theater because you wouldn't stop talking yeah to her. Yeah,
my wife wouldn't talk to me for a week if
I did that. Yeah, But my dad's built different. Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Anyway, I found out the hard way in twenty sixteen
when I went to go see Batman v.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Superman, Dona Justice with her and she's like.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh, Ben Affleck looks like this friend I went to
high school with running in that scene and Gin She's like,
oh is Robert Downey junior Alfred?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I'm like, no difference. And David got to the point
where it's like, oh, wonder woman's in this movie.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I'm like, she was into trailer nine months ago and
she was an out for it three years prior.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, now, listen, we got to back out of this.
That's funny as hell though. Seven oh four five seven
ninety six ten hit us up on the FanDuel text
line again. If you're just tuning in wondering if anybody
else is excited about Happy Gilmore too, but terrified of
being let down when you sit down to watch it.
And also, I do have to point out again, what
did how did we get into the conversation earlier about critics?
And because I because.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I told Flounder, well, you got to remember Ciskel and
Ebert did not like Happy Gilmore when it came out.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And I told you, yeah, big surprise, because those guys
get it wrong all the time. You took offense to
that when I took a shot at Siskel and Ebert. Yes,
R and P. Yeah, both of them are IP because
they defended a lot of movies that became big deals
back in the day.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
They were ardent defenders of film. And honestly, the film
industry is a worse place because they're no longer with us,
because they cared about the sanctity of film.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
The sanctity of film all right, Listen, movie critics are
notorious for whiffing on comedies. If you want to, there's
nothing less. I want to come up with a list
of things less useful than a movie critics opinion of
mainstream blockbuster comedies because they always get it wrong. I mean,
they gave Happy Gilmore like a fifty to five percent
approval rating, and the audience gave it like a ninety
percent approval rating. Like, I don't mean to speak ill
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of the dead here, so I'm not going after Ciskel
and Ebert when but when it comes to movie critics,
does anybody really care what most movie critics think? I mean,
back in the aforementioned greatest decade in the history of humanity,
the nineteen nineties, when I was a child, even then,
I knew back then who cares what the critics thought? Right?
You read a review of a blockbuster movie that you
know they're promoting the hell out of the summer blockbuster.
(14:14):
You see in the newspaper it's getting like, you know,
fifty eight percent positive reviews, and you're like, oh man,
Then you go watch it. It's hilarious. Then you remind
it over and over again that these stuffy, navel gazing
movie critics who just you know, want to be important
and want their opinion to matter, they get it wrong
all the time on these comedies. They have no idea
what's funny to the American public. Now, when you talk
about comedies.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I backed off of you completely because you're absolutely right
when it comes to movie critics.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But when it comes to other films, I if I
want a review of Babbel, fine, I care what they think,
I guess, or like Brazil or something like that. I
really don't even care that. Like they're allowed to have
opinions like everybody else. I just stopped seeking out movie
critic reviews. You know, probably twenty years ago, I stopped
caring entirely the if anything, I checked Rotten Tomatoes to
see what people thought. That's it. I don't care about
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the critic day.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I do want to let you know a siskel Knieber
are responsible for PG thirteen being a thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Really yeah, how'd they do that?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Well?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean, your voice has carried a lot of weight
back in the eighties because remember movies first to Indiana
Jones movie specifically had a lot of gro test stuff
and there was like we need to have it be
rated R instead of rated PG. And then it's like, well,
hang on, that's going to hurt their product and profits
because rated our movies, you know, especially back in those days,
for the target audience wasn't get that many ratings and
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so PG thirteen became a thing that really helped a
lot of action movies in the nineties that were violent
but not too violent.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
All right, Well, admittedly this entire conversation was on the
fringe of sports radio, but I think we all agreed
that Happy Gilmour too the arrival of it. It's certainly
worth the conversation on sports radio seven oh four five,
seven ninety six to ten. Hit us up on the
FanDuel text Liab, We'll take some phone calls when we
come back. I see the same text you just saw
Fort milkaneiac. Most movie critics also leg Press four seventy. Lol. Man,
(15:58):
that's funny. So I feel hell to read it. But like,
did they ever get in touch with Willy P this morning?
Did he ever acknowledge them this morning? Did we know?
I don't know. I didn't really pease my guy, like
we're I'm not getting into a fewd I'm not getting
into a beef with Willy P. Not doing it like
you know, he and I get along. I'm maintaining our
status quo. But that is funny. All right, Well, come back,
we'll take your phone calls. We talked some panthers Joe
(16:18):
person coming up in twenty seven minutes Sports Radio ninety
two seven wfn Z Sports Radio seven wfn Z KB
(16:43):
and smoke with you here on a Friday, a hot Friday,
and I will I'll echo what Brad Panovich was posting
last night, because Brad's main point was, Hey, guys, don't
underestimate the heat out there. Take it seriously. And he's
right about that. Let your dogs inside, please, like, be safe,
don't go for a ten mile run in the middle
of the day, you know, things like that. Just be safe.
It's going to be hot out there the next couple
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of days. And I know it's summer, and it's always
hot in summer. We get that. But it's a lot
of one hundred gard now, a lot of ninety plus degree
days this summer. Nowhere close to the all time record.
I saw that back in nineteen fifty four there were
eighty eight days of ninety degrees or hotter in the
Queen City. And I think we come no, obviously, we're
gonna come nowhere close to that based on Brad's numbers
(17:25):
I saw earlier today. You don't have to knock on wood.
It's not even close. I know. Just better be safe
than sorry. That's like coming out of the All Star
break with twenty one home runs and talking about breaking
Barry Bond single season record, Like it's not the same thing,
but anyway, it is hot out there, so be safe.
Seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten. Hit us
up on the FanDuel text line. Joe person is back
in about eighteen minutes. We'll talk about the opening week
(17:47):
of Panthers training camp, what he's seen, the latest with
the injuries, what they do about the Josie jewel issue,
all of it, and of course we'll start to look
to the preseason and I'm assuming that we'll get how
much Part One of the talking points smoke on this
show and the others too, is that we expect to
see more from the starters in preseason then we saw
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last year, but like how much more? Because you know,
when we found out that Dave Canalis had requested that
they basically do three joint practices with all three preseason opponents,
that were, like, Okay, Dave, seems like maybe he learned
a lesson last year, or he just doesn't want to
do it that way, and we're going to see a
whole lot more action for the starters in this preseason.
But how much more are you expecting?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I definitely think we'll see more than a drive in
a preseason game. Yeah, especially when you consider that that
drive was against the Buffalo backups last year. I toltally
p about this last week when you were off. I
think reasonable expectation will be especially when you have two
to three joint practices. A drive in one game and
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maybe a quarter or a half in another game, and
that's it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Okay, I mean it has to be more. Definitely, it
definitely has to be more. So anyway, I'm gonna come
back to this. I got a lot of Panthers to
talk about. But first let me let me take these
phone calls. We're gonna come right back to the Panthers.
But we open the show talking about today being the
release of Happy Gilmore too. The original Happy Gilmore, one
of Sandler's masterpieces, came out in the summer of nineteen
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ninety six at the peak of civilization. As we also
talked about, if you're a nineties baby, I know you
agree with me on that. So you know, Happy Gilmore
cult classic. I mean I think probably what you don't think.
So what do you mean, Oh, I don't think that's
a cult classic. I think because why not? It's always been.
I guess for me, it's always been in the mainstream.
(19:37):
What what does cult classic mean to you? I gotta
get to these phone calls for.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
A movie that doesn't have the widespread love throughout the release,
but then somehow, some way gains a small following and
it continues to grow and grow.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like if you want to use a cult classic.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
A prime example of that for comedy around that time
would be office based because Office Space didn't do that
well in theaters, but then it gained traction because I
believe Comedy Central had it on rerun into DVD sales
were massive. That was at the time where you know
you could get make your money back on DVD sales.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, sure, but let me ask you this, because again
I want to get to other things. But that Happy
Gilmore made thirty eight million dollars in the theaters, right,
that's not even close to being the all time right,
not even in the conversation of all time box office
smashed successes.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
No, but that was in an era where mid budget
films were comed occurrences. Now you don't see mid budget films, and.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That point's fair because they made three times what they
invested in the movie, right, Right, So that's why I'm
asking you. All Right, So you think cult Classic is
the wrong way to define that movie.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Huh No, I think it was a big hit in
a successful comedy movie that came out in the mid nineties. Okay, yeah,
I think Office Space is a better example, just because
it didn't do the best at the movie theaters didn't
make that much of a profit.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
What's the Tarantino movie like the epitome of the cult classic?
There's one that one specific one that I'm thinking of,
the ward Dogs. That's a good one. That it was
a small budget movie. That's a good one too. Right,
We'll keep talking about this, But I am worried about
Happy Gilmore Too being a letdown. I'm worried about Happy
Gilmore To being a letdown? How many people share that?
Your thoughts on it? Josh is up first here in
this segment. Josh, I appreciate you holding what's going on.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Hey, So I just wanted to let you know, don't
worry about watching the movie and Lyne, because.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
You've already taught your daughter how to lie, So you're.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Good to go.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
You're safe. That's true. That's a good point, all right,
fair enough, is that it? Okay?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
And the Sandman's got one more left in their bag.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
I think this one's going to be a hit.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Okay, all right, I think so, I hope. So anyway,
thank you, Josh. I appreciate the phone call. He's right.
I have already taught my daughter to lot so that
he's got a good point there. Uh, let's see who's
your Bobby back on the phone lines. Bobby, how you been.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Been good?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Great to have your back KB.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Thanks buddy, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I'm a little nervous because Happy Gilmore is a classic,
maybe like Smoke with Say, maybe it's a misunderstand stood classic,
especially by women. So my wife despised it the first
time we watched it together, and I continue to watch
it when it pops up and it just brings joy and.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Laughter to me.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
So looking forward to watching it. I'm hoping it. I'm
hoping it delivers. But a couple other things. Definitely watch
Maverick first over uncut Gems. I don't I don't think
it's even close myself.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Okay, Now, everybody that you know what that's actually something
that people tell me is that everybody I talked to
says top gun Maverick is awesome. So I'll probably start go.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
There first for sure. Uncut Jims is interesting. I'll say
that the last thing prior segment, they're talking about what's
more important to you this season for the Panthers, Bryce
and his u success or lack thereof or wins. What
where you sit on that?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, no, I heard that. Thank you, Bobby. Hope you're
doing well, buddy, stay cool out there. Every time I
say stay cool, I feel like I'm signing somebody's your book. Anyway.
Did y'all do that when you sign to year books
at the end of the year. Did you get a
bunch of stay cool evan with a lot of hags,
have a great summer? Oh well, that's a lazy way
to sign somebody's yearbook. That when you sign hags, that's
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that means you don't like somebody. You've got a lot
of hags. Well everyone did it? You just told on
yourself seven four ninety six ten to Bobby's quat, I
did hear those guys talking about that earlier? Today? You
know what's more important? This season wins or Bryce. It's
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always going to be wins because and especially given how
Bryce played down the stretch, if he continues doing that,
it should lead to wins. Now, we know if they
don't improve defensively off of last year's historically terrible effort,
that they can still very well lose games. See the
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twenty twenty four Cincinnati Bengals right with you know, one
of the best, if not the best offenses in the league,
but an absolute trash can defense, and they missed the playoffs.
So we understand contextually that, you know, that would be
a different conversation. But like we're going into year three
of Bryce, he's got continuity with the head coach, so
it's a tough I don't know, it's hard to split
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him because I don't think that the wins well, the
wins aren't going to be there if he doesn't play well.
So they're interconnected. But the answer for me is always
just going to going to be simply wins. You don't
have to win twelve games in the regular season, you know,
for this to be a successful year, but they need
to win more football games. They need to go win
seven eight games. To me, you got to win seven
games minimum this year for people to still feel like
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this can go in the right direction right seven oh four, five,
seven ninety six to ten. Devin is up next on
the phone lines, Devin, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Hey, you don't know way about jo Bill? Now watching
the movie with or d tokase? Are you watched them
without you?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You think so? Yeah, she might have.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
I'm all gonna watch it out my dead I'm gonna
phone and.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Then WHOA watch the whole movie and they want to
watch it later on?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
You got a plan? Huh?
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Yeah, I'm about to ask you right now.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So you're what you say, You're watching it right now
while you wait for yees. Don't let her find out. Listen,
my man, Devin, it sounds like you know you're in
the relationship fit. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
You.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You don't want to get caught doing that, right, Nope,
We'll be safe out there, brother, be smart about it too.
I appreciate the phone call. Jersey. Frank is up next, Frank,
what's going on?
Speaker 6 (25:45):
First of all, Maverick is flipping awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay, you gotta see that.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Uh, but instead of wasting your time and listen, don't
get me wrong, I'm sure it's gonna be a little
bit funny, but you need to go see f one.
I'm not a Brad pick guy. I'm a Tom Cruise guy.
But I'm telling you what Brad Pitt will make you
get jacked up in like for him, for his at
his part. You just he did a frigging awesome job
(26:12):
in that movie.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Like he really did.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Like I don't like him, but he was great in
the movie.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
He really was.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I think he'd enjoy that. Anybody I've heard that went
to see it, they love it too. But yeah, as
far as watching movies, I can't watch episodes of Cobra
Kai like because I'm rewatching it if my wife's got
upstairs with it, because I know she doesn't listen to
the radio stations.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
So I'm good.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Yeah, Like, yeah, I can't do it. Bro, I'll be dead.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
I was just I was just turning it on.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh, dude, I was. When I flew out to l
A a couple of weeks ago, I started binging the new
Owen Wilson Golf Show on Apple TV, just on the plane,
because I mean I had a five hour flight both ways,
and I started watching dude, I got home and I
accidentally let it slip that I'd already seen the first
five episodes of that show and she was she was living.
She was living.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yes, dude, even five or season six?
Speaker 4 (27:02):
What I mean?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
See the five seasons Cobra Kai probably one of the
best TV shows the way they wrote it ever, And
I'm watching I think it was like episode six, what
are you doing? I'm like, we've already seen this.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
I want to watch it for me.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh, they get rially, but if it's it's a double
standard because they do the exact same thing. Thank you,
Frank coming up against the brother. I appreciate the phone call.
Let me stay at Cowboys Shawn real quick before we
hit a break. Sean, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
How you been hey?
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Listen? KB, how you doing good? And all that or whatever? Yes, sir,
good god, Jared don't want to pay Dak is doing
that crap whatever, super Bow and all that. I got
a question to asking though, when it comes to the Panthers,
I mean, I respect, you know, the quarterback and all that.
(27:46):
If he doesn't come through today and when it not
this year, when it comes to next year, all the quarterbacks,
what's gonna happen. I'm gonna ask you the question, because
are they gonna still give them another chance or draft
another quote?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Give me, give me a scenario though, because there's a
wide range of possibilities here, like what's.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
All basically all of the quarterbacks, you know, when it
comes to the so called experts saying that next year
is going to be you know, krem de la kreme
when it comes to the quarterbacks. And if you know
mister Young does to do well, I'm not going to
give him another chance. Caleb willis getting beat over this,
(28:28):
you know, get hit upside the head. This is your year.
You better do it this year and seven mores and okay,
pass pass, Go ahead, fellows, do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay. You're looking at arch Mann and Drew Aller Kaide Club,
Nick Garrett nus Meyer, Carson bad Man.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
But he might not No, no, I agree, he very
well might not say but he can't.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
And Grant Daddy stayed four years. He's staying four years.
That's going to be a narrative. Arch Manning, arch Manning,
He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Thank you, Sean. I got to hit it BRK I
appreciate the phone call, brother, it's what are they going
to do? I don't know, you know, I think you're
talking about the Panthers and the Cowboys. The quarterbacks flop
and it's a fair question, you know. You know me,
Smoke and I talk about this all the time. The
next quarterback class is always the greatest quarterback draft class
of all time until we get to February and we
start ripping them to shreds, tearing them apart. Guys start falling,
(29:23):
and then you know, the season start, we look back
and we're like, oh, Okay, maybe it wasn't the greatest
quarterback class of all time that said Manning. Arch can
come out, Drew Allert, Penn State will come out, Club
Nick will come out, Sellers can come out, Carson Beck will,
but Nico will be potentially in. I'd imagine he's coming
out unless he has a terrible season. So I mean,
there's a lot of possibilities there, Garrett us Meyer, you know,
(29:44):
I think I don't mention it or not, but eh,
I'm not that fired up. All right, let's go to
smoke on the headlines. Who is smoke? Where is smoke?
Where there's smoke, there's fire, Let's go oh real quick,
TC said the sequel, The Coming to America was horrible?
Am I the only one that liked it? I figure
(30:05):
in the minority on really because I didn't really seek
out any other opinions. I just wanted it once. I
didn't want to see it. I didn't think it was bad.
I mean I expected it. It's kind of like Tonight.
I kind of stop saying tonight. It's kind of like
Happy Gilmore too, Like I don't know, I'm adjusting expectations.
It's a modern day version three decades later. I didn't
think Coming to America the sequel was terrible at all.
(30:25):
But anyway, floor shores.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
All right, Well it's not been a great week to
be a Memphis Tiger. As earlier this week they basically
threw out two hundred million dollars asking to join the
Big twelve into Big twelve within two hours said yeah
no thanks. And now, yesterday, right after our show ended,
on three Sports, had attained a direct message of former
Memphis defensive back Todd Rawell sending utsa quarterback that's Texas
(30:48):
san Antonio. Owen McCown, son of Josh McCown, the Tiger's playbook,
entire playbook before the game, and it happened that the
road Runners were able to put forty four points up
on the BA and win the game.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Kyle, Yeah, I mean definitely feels unethical to say the least.
It worked. It seems to have worked. Yeah, But the
thing is they don't seem to be at all bothered
by this in Purdue, right, I mean or not in Purdue.
Sorry I should say. Tim Pernetti doesn't let me start there.
(31:22):
It doesn't seem bothered by this. He said he's aware
of it. He's had a very open dialogue. There's not
much to this story. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely not great.
The statement from Purdue read quote our coaching staff sees
the scenario as being mischaracterized and does not have any
concerns moving forward. End quote. That's why I mentioned Purdue. Okay,
(31:43):
all right, well come back, Joe Person of the Athletic
Panthers Training Camp Report. Next Sports Radio ninety two to
seven wfn Z Sports Radio ninety two to seven WFNZKB
(32:13):
and Smoke having a good time, real good time coming
up in forty minutes. Marty Snyder, NBC Sports, Amazon, NASCAR
Cup Series Pit reporter and studio host, our buddy Marty
Snyder back at four twenty five, Nate Wimberley and studio
at five. A lot to get to there, but right now,
as promise, we talked some football of the Panthers variety
with the Panthers beat writer you all know him is
a household name. Joe, person of the athletic is back
(32:36):
with us on the body Works plus guest hotline Joe.
What's going on? Brother? How are you?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Man?
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Welcome back for vacation.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Thanks man, it's good to be back. I just got
a text from a friend Nada said do you miss
New England weather yet? And I was like, yeah, only
in the summer, only in the summer, but yeah, it's
pretty high run. Yeah, So what's I mean, You've been
out there in the heat. Well it's not been that
hot just yet, but you've been out there covering this
team this week in the first week of training camp.
I've read your recaps. I read yesterday. But for anybody
who hasn't highlights this week, what stood out so far?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Princely whom and me? Allen's first step off the edge
and yeah, listen, I really don't I say that somewhat
tongue in cheek, but not really. I mean, and and
and again. You and I've talked for years that you
don't want to put too much emphasis on practices in
shorts and helmets and shells, like defense should have the
(33:28):
upper hand and and they have offense. You know, hadn't
really gotten to put their hands much on these guys.
But yeah, Princely the first day, of course, it beats
Ikey with an outside move. Either did or didn't contact Bryce.
Well I guess he did, but it was inadvertent to
kind of much ado about nothing. But but then the
(33:50):
second day, what I was impressed with is I watched
him beat Ikey again with an inside move. And you
know that again I've had some people on Twitter saying, well,
should we be worrying about, you know, our left tackle.
I said, not yet. Let's like it's end of July,
and as I just said, it's they're out there in shorts.
(34:12):
So but he caught my eye that the rookie Jimmy
horn speed hadn't made any like spectacular catches yet. But
but he just he just sort of is sudden and
and the kind of guy you notice going from drill
to drill and then when he gets to the drill
he Dave Canalis just said, he's like, he's a guy
(34:34):
who elevates practice with that energy. And I think the
more of those guys the Panthers can start stacking, the
better they're going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
All right, So stay on Ichy for a second. There
were there's talk of a contract negotiation. Still feels like
he's got a big year coming up in terms of
proving what he is. What do you imagine the stance
from Dan Morgan and Brent Tillis is right now on
the future Vicky and the contract negotiations.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Well, I think they were ready to resign him in
the spring at the right price. And and Ikey said, you know,
didn't think had they agreed with where the talks were,
they had had a deal done. So we can only
surmise that if he, you know, thought his value was higher,
and and that's how you should start out as a player.
(35:20):
You don't, you know, take their first offer and then
you and I shouldn't do that either in our line
of work. So but I was just talking to some
people around the league and even here in Charlotte. These
guys are going to left tackles just by nature of
the position. Whatever you think of Ikey Ikwanu, and you
(35:41):
know two years ago he was really bad. Last year
with this new coaching staff, in particular tackles, coach Joe Gilbert,
I thought he took some really good steps in the
right direction, reduced his penalties, reduced his sacks allowed, and
while remaining a very good run blocker by the way.
But any rate you're going to pay him, I mean,
(36:02):
twenty million a year is like kind of the starting point,
Like that only gets you in the top twelve. AAVs
of left tackles around around the league, and so you're
probably looking a little more than that, you know, to
get him in the top ten, which I would guess
his side is, you know that's going to be, you know,
a minimum of where they want to be with with
(36:22):
Ikey Aquana's next contract.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Joe person with us here on a Friday afternoon talking
Panthers football. Now Bryce any again, they haven't put pads
on yet, but we do get a quarterback back who
knows the offense. We were just talking about this a
little while ago, so you know, it's not the unlike
last year a year ago, this time you're not covering.
I'm not talking about you know, Bryce and Dave and
(36:45):
what's it all going to look like. We got a
sense of that last year that got the continuity. Now
anything looked different, anything stand out already, maybe in terms
of the flow of the offense or Bryce's role in.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
It, not really in fact, as I said, those first
two days, buddy, you know, the defense kind of had
the upper hand. It doesn't. It's not to say they
dominated and Bryce, you know, was you know, cowering in
a corner of the field, not at all, but you
know he was picked off both days. I mean, this
is an offense and defense, but but more, you know,
(37:15):
I think it's more instructive from an offensive standpoint. When
you are still doing install you don't have all your weapons,
you know, you know, you're you're not showing your hand,
You're barely showing anything because you're still putting the plays in.
And that's that's what Dave Canalis and his offensive staff
are doing right now. But no, I've seen him make
(37:36):
some really nice throws to t mac at a Roe McMillan,
and then yesterday it just happened to be right in
front of where I was standing in the end zone.
They were doing seven on seven red zone drills and
he Bryce threaded a really nice pass into coverage to
David Moore and he kind of worked his way into
the into the end zone. And David Moore, like I know,
(38:01):
Hunter Renfro' is a awesome story. And I wrote this
story in June like a lot of us did, and
just you know, everybody loves a good comeback, and he
was through hell with his health and now he's back,
and you pull for a guy like Hunter renfro. But
David Moore kind of earned the trust of Bryce Young.
Last year. Stats didn't jump off the page, but they
(38:21):
were some of David Moore's best stats in about three
or four years. And so all I'm saying is, don't
sleep on this guy. As camp goes along, I'm kind.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Of buried the lead here because we've been I think
we've been so tied up with acc stuff. It's almost
taking a back burner this week. But I was on
air Tuesday when the Josie Jewel news broke, and they've
got to figure out exactly what they're going to do
about that. You've written about it. I can't imagine Christian
Rose Boom is their solution. I mean, maybe I'm wrong
about that, but what do they do now without Josie Jewel, Well.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Rosen Boom gets the first snaps obviously that they're not
going to rush right out and signing a linebacker off
the couch that hadn't been I think they could at
some point, but I just don't think it's going to
be immediately. And you know, Jacobe Winman started a couple
of games for them last year when when Shaq got hurt,
and I think Trevin Wallace missed a couple of games.
(39:12):
I mean, they it's you know, they have some guys
who with some experience and Claude share List is a
guy again, isn't? And I know you the listeners are
probably rolling their eyes, and I get it.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
You went.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
You went from Shaq Thompson and Josie Jewell opening week
starters last year to now you got second year Trevin
Wallace and you know heretofore this year. Journey man Christian
Rose really a special team spot, but he did. He
did have a one hundred and thirty six tackle season
last year for the Rams. And sometimes tackle stats or
(39:50):
whatever and don't necessarily tell you a guy's worth. But
I want to give this guy a couple of weeks
and and maybe even into the first game of preseason
games to see how he does. Like I thought it
was interesting that right away at Jared Vero, who knew
him briefly in LA, gave him the green dot like
(40:11):
he is calling defensive signals Christian rose boom Is rather
than Trevin Wallace. And so I think there is a
level of respect there among the coaching staff and the
guys who played with him in LA that at least
is worth, you know, kind of seeing what he can
do initially.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Okay, all right, fair enough, Now let's stay on the defense.
Demani Richardson seems like they like him a lot. I mean,
I know, the guy across from me here in the
studio had his fingers crossed for Julian Blackman, but you
know he's in New Orleans instead. Is the did they
think the solution is on the roster? In the former
Demonti Richardson, I.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Wrote something at the beginning of this week, just kind
of previewing training camp, and I said that my sense
was that kind of like I said at linebacker, but
that they were not going to go sign one of
these veteran free agent safeties that they wanted to give
some of these younger guys a chance. And you know
(41:04):
that's what good teams that you know, that build through
the draft or in Richardson's case, an undrafted free agent.
You know that good teams do that and you're not
always trying to patch holes and you know, until you
have to with a bunch of injuries. So I didn't
hate it. Yeah, I did think it was interesting. You know,
Dave Canalis comes at it from a quarterback coach standpoint
(41:25):
where asked him about the play or Richardson really may
he ran a long way across the field to pick
off this ball that was that Bryce's pass intended for
Rentro and Da've complimented Richardson, but he did say, yeah,
ball's a little overthrown. But nevertheless he went and made
a nice play on the ball and it was a
(41:46):
good start of camp for the Texas a and m
undrafted guys.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Did you see Ocho Cinco declaring he thinks this might
be the best wide receiver room in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. We had We talked to
Adam Feeling the day on Zoom. These guys. They didn't
a practice, just a walk through. But and someone asked
feeling about that. And the backstory, if I understood it correctly,
is last year, maybe around the time the Panthers went
out to Vegas with Andy Dalton at the helm O
(42:17):
Chosinko was dumping all over the receiving corps and I
think he and Felon talked and had a good conversation.
And I think this is sort of perhaps Chad Johnson
doing his buddy Feeling a solid by reversing course quite,
you know, very quickly, and a one to eighty degree
(42:37):
shift from what he apparently was saying last fall. But listen,
it's a better receiving core than it was a year ago,
no doubt about it. Just you know, McMillan alone, you know,
rises that boat, raises that tide. And then I mentioned earlier,
I mean horn speed is intriguing. I don't think Jimmy
(42:58):
Horn is necessarily going to be a game changing guy
on this offense right away. I think he could do.
I think he could do some things in the return game,
but I don't know he shoot, I may be selling
him short of me. You know, he may get out
there and you know impact some games on offense as well.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Can't wait to find out Pad's go on next week.
And I will see you out there, buddy. I appreciate
the time.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
There you go, Joe person with us on the hotline
here on to Friday talking Panthers. No practice today, but
training camp opening up this week. Will come back our
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