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August 21, 2025 • 45 mins

In the show's opening hour, Kyle and Smoke preview the Panthers final preseason game against the Steelers, and which back-end roster players should we be keeping an eye on tonight

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
We have preseason football in the Queen City across the
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(00:48):
like many others. KB and Mack with Panthers pregame coming
your way at six o'clock.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Should be a.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Really good time. Final preseason tune up Game number three.
We know most of the consequential star will not play tonight,
so what are you looking for? Seven oh four, five,
seven ninety six ten. That's where we start. Now, we
have a ton to get to. Everything from Mac Brown
speaking about Carolina again, this time in a media capacity.
We got Matt Ruhle starting a podcast. We got to

(01:16):
talk about that. We got a Charlotte quarterback situation to
get to. We have a lot of a lot of
news to discuss and also U the very sad passing
of a NASCAR legend. But quickly, I'm at the WFNZ
doghouse powered by Jack Daniel. Smoke is in the Chandler
Volta studio. The Carolina's personal injury lawyers go to Cvinjurylaw

(01:36):
dot Com. One call. That's all Smoke. It's good to
have you along for the ride, my man. Preseason game
number three? What are you thinking tonight? What are you
because at full disclosure, I think I told you this
before the show. I've got back to back high school
football games to call tomorrow night. In fact, I've got
three over the weekend, so I'm gonna be calling three games.
I am not sticking around tonight. I have a bad

(01:57):
radio host today. I'm gonna stick around do the pre
game show, and then I'm going to go home and
watch this one on TV while I prep for the
broadcast over the weekend. So, Smoke, you've been around a
long time. Just in terms of being a Panthers fan,
You've seen a lot of these games. You know there
can be some meaningful moments. What are you watching for tonight?
In preseason game number three?

Speaker 5 (02:15):
I definitely want to see how some of the linebackers look,
how the offensive line looks, and I'm kind of interested.
I don't know what to expect from Bryce Perkins, but
you know, having a new quarterback into the mix is
definitely going to make things more interesting, especially after having
to watch Jack Plumber forout the whole entire preseason last year.
I will be honest o, Kyle, I'm not used to
watching this preseason game. Whenever they played the Steelers. I'm

(02:36):
not used to watching it in the preseason. Well, but
because it was always the last one, it was always
on a Thursday like it is today. I was usually,
especially as a kid, at a JV football game.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
So I never really got to watch this game.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Oh yeah, that's well.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
The other thing too, is it's funny you mentioned that
I was on Pittsburgh Radio last night. So we had
Andrew Philippony on yesterday their afternoon drive. We sat down
recorded a great conversation ahead of time. Great depending upon
your perspective, because some people hated what he said about
Mike Tomlin. But I went on the evening show last
night up in Pittsburgh on ninety three to seven, the fan.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
And their host Dohnny Football.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
That's his name, that's his on air name, Johnny Football,
which is the most Pittsburgh thing of all time.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Smoke. One of the first things.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
He asked me was like, us, do you look forward
to this annual battle between the Panthers and the Steelers
in the preseason? And before he could even finish the question, Smoke,
I was like, no, because nobody ever plays in this game.
So I mean yes kind of because it's the last
one and it's the final preseason hurdle that we can
get past, and then we just have to sit there
and twiddle our thumbs and hurry up and wait until

(03:43):
the regular season begins on September the seventh. But you
know it will be behind us. And I like what
you said about Bryce Perkins. I gotta be honest, Smoke.
This is not the I promise, This is not the
Virginia Tech alum in me, but this is I don't
have super high hopes for Bryce Perkins.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I hope he goes out in balls out like I.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Would love to come in here tomorrow and talk about,
Oh my god, did you see Bryce Perkins? And man,
that time in the UFL must have really done him
some good.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
And UFL mahomes baby.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Right, Like I'm rooting for him, but like I hear
a lot of people today saying, yeah, I can't wait
to watch Bryce Perkins tonight. Now, I'm like, I didn't
think I'd ever say that sentence for the rest of
my life, and I'm not gonna start right now because
the last time I saw him in the NFL with
the Rams was pretty dreadful. So I am tempering my
expectations and because of that, like we expect to see

(04:29):
Jalen Coker play tonight, right. Coker is a guy fourth
wide receiver on the roster, even though you expect him
to make the team and a lot of you expect
him to have like a career trajectory changing season upcoming,
and he's still the fourth wide receiver on the team.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
He still plays special teams. He's gonna be out there tonight.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
But how many opportunities will we see for guys like
Jalen Coker to go out there and make a play
with Bryce Perkins at quarterback? So like we're gonna have
to wait and find out. But I do think he
fits the mold Perkins that is better in the modern
day NFL, And I heard West bring this up earlier today,
and he's absolutely right. You look around the NFL, even
the predominantly pocket passing quarterbacks have athleticism, the ability to

(05:10):
run a little bit, to stretch the play, to extend
the play, you know, things like that. The statuesque six six'
four six' five pocket passing quarterback who presents absolutely no
threat in a. Different dimension they're going the way Of
The dodo bird a little. Bit Right so perkins does
fit the MODERN day nfl a little, bit more and

(05:30):
maybe he. Finds success maybe he's. Grown up AND again
i hope that's, the Case because i'll ask.

Speaker 6 (05:35):
You smoke.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I'm Not andy dalton has been a great quarterback, at
times certainly. Well RESPECTED but i have a lot of
people on the text line And on twitter the last
handful of days who have told me They Think andy
dalton looks like a guy on the brink, of retirement
on the cusp of hanging, it up and they're concerned. About,
that Now If bryce young, goes down the entire complexion

(05:58):
of the. Season changes but are you among those Who's
Watched andy dalton this preseason and thought, to, YOURSELF huh
i don't know how much he's got left in the
tag a.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Little bit not to the Point where i'm full, on
panicking but, you know it kind of makes me think
when we were at the joint Practice against cleveland two three,
weeks ago and when we were talking about the offense
when they struggled, to most it Was When andy dalton was. Out,
there now part of that is because, the backups but,
You know andy threw a couple. Of picks he looked,
pretty rough and both, preseason games Specifically, to, Cleveland WON

(06:27):
so i don't think it's really hard to imagine people
being concerned. About that it kind of makes me think
back in twenty sixteen When Greg Or derek anderson had
to make a Start On monday night Footballgainst. The buccaneers we, All,
said oh it's going to be fine because he's, you
know never lost To. The buccaneers He's the. Buccaneer killer
and then he looked washed and it, was, like oh

(06:48):
he doesn't have the same. Magic anymore and then, you
know he was still here for, twenty seventeen and then,
you know by the time twenty eighteen year, olled around he.
Was gone and then he started At one monday night
game Against the patriots and As A, buffalo bill and he.
Looked awful and it's just one of those things where
maybe the game is catching up to him and maybe
he just doesn't have that much left. IN him i
was kind, of, Shocked honestly cole did he game back

(07:08):
for two? More YEARS because i thought he was maybe
going to retire. Last year but. Who knows but it
is definitely something in the back of, your mind Especially
if bryce, young hits you want to have a formidable
backup or at least someone that. You're, DEVELOPING unfortunately i
just Don't Think jack plumber. Has It andy dalton ain't getting,
any younger, and Unfortunately With, bryce perkins for as much

(07:28):
as he could be, promising tonight, you know one of
the things that we haven't talked About With, bryce perkins
that is he's. Twenty eight he'll be turning twenty nine
in a couple. Of, months sure so he's not necessarily
some young. Whipper, snapper, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Not at all.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Like that THAT'S why i said a couple of, minutes
ago no. Disrespect intended i'm very much tempering my expectations
Tonight For bryce perkins out there and by extension what
that could mean for the. WIDE receivers i mean that
one of my big complaints coming Out of saturday and
what we watched had to Watch against houston was again
the offense's inability to do. REALLY anything i don't suspect

(08:05):
that changes a ton Tonight With bryce perkins at, the
HELM though i really hope that. It Does Big kat
dan says On the FanDuel text Line with canalis calling,
The Game bryce Perkins and trevor etn Is who i'm tuning.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
In, FOR yeah i like that big.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
News today by, The Way tommy tremble is apparently on
the WAY back i guess technically. Is back hasn't practiced
really in any meaningful, way yet but he's been activated
from the physically unable to, Perform lists so, you know
he's not, playing tonight but they've activated him and he's
eligible to practice. Fully Now And dave knali is saying

(08:40):
earlier this week that they hoped he would be ready by,
week one the Opener. In jacksonville, so again not gonna,
play tonight But With tommy, tremble now it changes a
little bit smoke as to maybe How much i'm watching
some of the tight. END stuff i was Wondering about
tommy's availability what that could mean for a Guy Like,
james Mitchell AND mitchell i do think will have a

(09:02):
place On the panthers practice squad if they can. KEEP
him i don't think they're going to, roster him especially
Not If tommy TRIMBLE. And jt sanders. Are healthy but,
then again With The mitchell, Evans thing i'm just not
sure it's something to. Continue WATCHING but i guess Smoke
the tremble news is really big because we haven't for
all of our discussions about who's, played well who's looked

(09:22):
like what so far in, THE preseason i think most
of us felt pretty good about the Way that trimble finished,
the season so it's nice to get the new smoke
that he's been activated and apparently the runways clear for
him To play.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
Week, ONE definitely i think at the, very least you
look at, what's happened and you know we earlier this
week we're having a lot of concerns about the tight,
end position SPECIFICALLY AFTER. J t sanders dropped that pass
in the first series Against, The texans so, You Know
tommy trimble is not going to be a pro bowler
or anything. Like that but he's a reliable guy that

(09:53):
you can Have a, you're, like hey he's not going
to royally mess.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
Up here he's gonna get his.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Job done he can maybe give you a few, solid
catches but he's going to be a grinder in the,
run game on the line, of scrimmage and you need
someone like that on your offensive line or at. Tight
END and i think that's gonna be Big For bryce
young of the offense To Have tommy trimble there and
the fact that it seems like he's gonna be good
to Go for, week one, That's massive Unlike What tampa
bay got dealt with. Them earlier today it Looks Like

(10:19):
chris godwin's gonna miss the first four games up the
season For. The bucks, you know but that was more
based off. Last year but it's, definitely big and you
do have to, wonder now, all right we talked a
lot about how many Wide receivers carolina could have on
the roster by the time cut down. They arrives now the,
REAL question, i think in, my opinion that needs to be,
Talked about as, you said how many tight ends are they?

(10:40):
Gonna carry is it gonna be three or is it gonna.
Be four and if it's gonna, be three who's the?

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Odd?

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Man now is it Gonna Be mitchell evans the six
round Pick Or? James, mitchell well.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
THAT'S it, i Mean has mitchell done enough to impress
them more than the guy they just drafted Out Of.
Notre dame another one that is also interesting of note
With The tommy. Trimble thing, you know twenty five. Years
old he signed this offseason and one of four members
of the twenty twenty one draft class to sign second
contracts With The, PANTHER SMOKE. J, C Horn, Brady Christensen

(11:10):
chewba hubbard And Now tommy trimble all have signed. Second
CONTRACTS and i know this came up a, while back
but you know those. Four guys you get four guys
out of a draft class signing.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Second, contracts moke.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
That's uh how much credit do We Give scott fitterer
for the fact that four guys from that from that
draft class ended up signing. Second contracts gotta give that
for an office credit at the time that anyone in the. Scouting,
department now some of them didn't hit the way that they.
Were hoping we All Know matt Ruhle Like tommy trimble
was a Bona Fide matt.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
Rule pick you could just go back to. The documentary
he was gushing over him from the. Get Go, brady
christensen for as much as, people, say well he's not,
a starter let's, Face, it kyle if he doesn't get
hurt dear in the twenty twenty three opener Against, THE
falcons i think he's still starting right now because that
basically him being out for the whole entire twenty twenty
three season lost him his starting job and he could

(12:03):
have easily been starting. Somewhere ELSE but i think his
age and maybe wanting to get a long term deal
hurt him in. This process but he's a starting caliber
guard slash tat. Swing tackle so you got. That Too
shoba hubbard's turned into one of the top fifteen twenty
backs in.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
The.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
League yep and, you know you just look at the
rest of who's the Last one i'm thinking of off.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
The top of.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
My Head, Jase, hornton Yeah jaseon, horn, right yeah And
Jac Horns. Jacy horn as long as he, stays healthy
he's going to be a very good corner for a very.
Long time so it's it's either that class or the
twenty seventeen class the best of the.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Last, decade yeah and by, THE way i brought that
up again because you know that. Draft, class again it's
notable four guys signed. Second, Contracts Also matt rule was
the head coach there in twenty. Twenty one and What
Is matt rule doing as? Of today you might think
to yourself or say, OUT, loud kb who gives? A
bleep and that'd be okay if you think that About
What's matt rule up to? These days THOUGH it's i

(12:56):
had to bring. This Up matt rule has launched, a podcast,
and no he hasn't, been fired and you missed the
news going into what we all assume and believe to
be a critical year Three For matt rule At the University,
of nebraska this morning announced that he is launching a
Podcast Called, house rules where they get he gives you

(13:17):
an inside Look Into nebraska. Cornhusker football and on, the podcast,
HE actually, i believe opens up, by, saying quote, YOU
know i know what.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
You're thinking why are we?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Doing this why are we taking the time to give
an inside look to each and every one, of you
to all the great things happening here At the University. Of,
nebraska man we're so proud of what we're doing with
our players and we're doing with, his program and we
want to give you an inside look behind, the scenes
behind the curtain of college. Football programs we want to
talk about all the things that matter, to you, college football,
pop culture. Young people i've been hired and fired, my
Life and i've been through a lot. Of things you
KNOW what, i Mean what i've actually got? The, AUDIO

(13:51):
oh i just did that for. No, reason yeah but it,
was FUN so i don't regret any. Of, it Okay
Here's matt ruhle, explaining why all of, a sudden going
into a pivotal year three at one of the biggest
pressure cooker Jobs in america and a fan base starved
after decades and decades of, relative irrelevance they're counting on
him to win.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
This year he's launching. A podcast, Here's.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
Why I'm matt rule and This Is, House, rules, yo
cuts why?

Speaker 6 (14:18):
This podcast i'm the one behind. THE scenes i got
questions to mack them across.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
The face that's just the brask, good people blue, collar people.
Tough people i've got nothing to lose since my fourth
head coaches out when the, Time comes i'm gonna go
Back to kate made self flip flops and sit on.
THE beach i don't have to be. POETICALLY corrected i
can speak the truth because that is how we move the.
Game Forward From long Island. And cleetan what a couple
of guys like guys going Here in Lincoln.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
The braska i'm.

Speaker 8 (14:42):
Here because, You're Here.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Jason wright.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
Let's not be embarrass or scared to. Work hard we're
getting better and better. And better the one of us,
is gonna, you know be s the. Other run we're
gonna keep it.

Speaker 8 (14:55):
REAL up.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't understand. Smoke again.

Speaker 7 (15:01):
What is?

Speaker 4 (15:03):
This man his own worst enemy all?

Speaker 3 (15:05):
THE time, i honestly he Just said i'm at four,
Coaching jobs like WHAT do i have? TO lose, i
mean do you want to win like the People AT
nebraska a KIND of i can't believe the People at
nebraska greenlit this THING like.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
I can't i can't believe he wants to.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Do this what other Coach in america do you think
would want to launch a podcast going into a critical
year three of?

Speaker 4 (15:24):
This program does anybody else Other Than matt rule?

Speaker 6 (15:27):
Do this very? FEW coaches I mean i'm.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Sure somebody, else would but what on earth.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
WAS that i don't Even Think steve spurrier would do something,
like This Because steve spururier would have to wear where
with all, To, say, HEY nah i ain't. DOING this
i do it during the, press Conferences but i'm not
doing this for a whole weekly thing throughout.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
The year by, the way do want to let people know?

Speaker 5 (15:46):
House rules the RULES are R H U l. E,
s yeah cutting edge innovation There By. Matt RULE but
i mean just Looking At matt rule, doing podcasts talking
like he's a. Radio, host, yeah wow it's giving very
strong divorced.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
DAD energy i.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Like, THAT no, I do i. LIKE that i just
you're complicating. Your life you're needing to win Games. AT
nebraska i guess you get your money. Either way if they,
fire him they're paying his buy. Out whatever like he's
a rich. Man Already the panthers made sure, of that So.
Did baylor and just what.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Are, you?

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Doing bro like what launching a podcast going into? THIS
season i Cannot. Imagine, nebraska LIKE if i Was a,
NEBRASKA fan i would boycott the podcast just to send a,
message like, hey buddy now we didn't focus.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
On football but. He can't he.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
JUST can't i can't, with. This DUDE seven o four
five seven ninety. Six ten hit us up on the
fan duel, text line which is, currently ripping absolutely destroying.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
That rule we'll.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Come back we'll read some of those a lot to
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(17:34):
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Individual position SO obviously i want your take. On that
seven oh, four five seven ninety. Six ten we were
Also Ridiculing, matt ruhle who now has a new podcast

(17:57):
of all the things that that guy we would think
we're was prioritizing going into a crucial year Three in
nebraska launching a podcast not only about football and the
inside look at, the program but apparently he wants to
talk pop culture in his, Podcast too like this has
how do you do?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Fellow?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Kids energy smoke said divorce. DAD energy i think both are, applicable.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Here, but.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yes smoke imagine being the fan of a fan of
a team that has expectations In The big ten at
a Place, like nebraska and right before the season, kicks
off your head coach rolls out a new podcast, and
claims we want to talk about all the things that matter,
to you, college football, pop culture. Young people like why
do you just throw young people? In there what young
people are you? Talking about what a? WEIRD guy i

(18:42):
would be furious if my, Head coach i'm supposed to
go Down to atlanta next Week For, Virginia Tech. South
Carolina If brent pryor rolled out a podcast This, WEEK'S
smoke i would be. ABSOLUTELY furious, i mean behind the, scenes, apoplectic, like,
hey buddy what are?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
You doing why would you? Do this who?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Wants to first, of all we don't need the world
doesn't need.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
More podcasts let's be real.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
About that no one asked for, another podcast and especially
Not From. Matt rule, but man the text line is
teeing off on.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
That guy can you?

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Imagine Smoke, Brtt, price like, YOU know i want to
talk about country music and, you know liver mush and uh.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Maybe a little bit, of uh you, know y maybe
a little bit of. Defensive football but let's Talk About.
Waylon jennings, it's, like.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Hey coach you got you got a season, coming, up,
Man folks folks want to watch you win some football
games and you want to?

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Start, podcast, yeah yeah how are you Gonna Stop lenora?
Seller's coach can you talk? About that talk about talk about,
you know how you're Gonna Lock dylan stewart or something. Like,
that instead instead He Got matt rule in his podcast
going full Seven four, let's, GO.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Like, i know we got to move On From. Matt
rule he's long gone and he's not relevant. Here anymore,
BUT wow i. CANNOT believe I mean, i CAN but
i also still kind of can't believe that that guy's.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
DOING that i. REALLY can't i.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Will, Say, though kyle with all that being said and all,
To ridicule I'VE a i already followed The podcast, twitter
Page and i'm unironically going to be listening to the
podcast tonight on the.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
Way home are you just to see?

Speaker 4 (20:06):
How?

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Bad LIKE because i gotta be honest, With, You Kyle
matt rule is so bad at.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
Social media it's.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Honestly hilarious he's one of the most unintentionally hilarious people on.
SOCIAL media i remember when he first Got the. Nebraska
job he was tweeting out all of, these Emojis which
i'm sure he had no idea what they, actually meant
and then he was trying to tweet out jeffs but
they weren't working because he didn't tweet out The right jeff.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
And it was just a.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Still photo, i'm like this man is. So glorious he
doesn't realize how bad he is, at this and it's.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Just, HE'S like i got a.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
New podcast we want to talk what we want to,
talk about what people care about man football and pop
culture and. Young, People, okay matt best of luck, to.
You buddy seven o four five seven ninety. Six ten
hit us up on the fan duel. Text Line carla
metz is back coming up in about. Sixteen minutes we'll
talk a, little racing and we'll of course talk. Some
football with her back on the sidelines tonight for preseason game.

(20:58):
Number three we will get her thoughts from the sideline
Down in houston. Last week she was on the sideline for,
that one as she will be again tonight for preseason game.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Number three she's.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Coming up we'll chat Also With Oil pologic willie p
the Voice OF CHARLOTTE fc wfnz. Host reporter he'll be
in the house tonight for preseason game, number three hosting
our postgame coverage as always here ON. Wfn z we'll
talk some football and some Football WITH. Willy p and at,
five o'clock We're Bringing doug rice out of, retirement today,

(21:29):
longtime voice iconic VOICE, Of Nascar Performance, racing network Proud app,
state alum and our Good Friend. Doug rice EARLIER today
I TOLD smoke i was out running errands this morning and,
you know picking some, things UP and i was standing
about to pay for SOMETHING and i look UP and
i SEE on tv Breaking News humpy wheeler has, Passed

(21:50):
away and, you know stopped me in my tracks. Right
there and my first, THOUGHT was i got A, text
doug and, you know see if he can come on
the show today to talk about the passing OF a
nascar icon that anyone who's A diehard nascar fan Knows About.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Humpy wheeler.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
If, you Don't and i'm sure there are some folks
out there, who don't legend feels a little. BIT inadequate
a guy who played college Football At south carolina was
a really good boxer back in, his day by the way.
As well grew Up In gaston county and was Hired
By bruton smith back in nineteen seventy five To Lead
Charlotte motor speedway as the president and, general manager a

(22:30):
position that he held up until his retirement in two thousand.
And eight and under his Leadership At Charlotte, motor speedway
it became a groundbreaking hub in the world, of motorsports
with things like, night racing right lighting and the night
racing that took, place there the on, site condominiums the,
trackside RESTAURANT the nascar experience that came on later to

(22:53):
bring fans closer to ALL the. Nascar action there was
a lot, of dramatics a lot of Theatrics From. Humpy
wheeler great promotions that we'll, talk about but, you know
pre race promotions that earned him the nickname The pt barnum.

Speaker 7 (23:06):
Of.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Motorsports right some of the most memorable stunts at the
track included, things like, you know a taxi race that
featured cab drivers on a quarter, mile track the military
re enactment OF the us Invasion of grenada as part
of the pre, race show you had what the towering fire,
breathing car crunching robo source.

Speaker 8 (23:28):
It?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Really is and like even bringing live elephants onto the
track despite PUSHBACK, from nascar, you know because people came
almost as much to see you know what Wild Thing
humpy wheeler would do next as they came to see the.
Actual races he installed a rather, introduced creative rival driven

(23:50):
promotions like placing a dead chicken in a shark's mouth
inside of. A Car kl Yarborough And. Darryl waltrip you
know riffing on a rivalry between the two. Of, THEM so,
I mean i know there are other things that come
to mind, for you but YOU and i am sure
had the same reaction this morning at the passing of
eighty six Year Old. Humpy wheeler the WORLD of nascar
lost an absolute legend and. Giant, today yes and he

(24:12):
was going To be he's going to be inducted INTO
The nascar Hall, of famils announced earlier. This year so
he was going to be in his own, separate. Wing,
RIGHTFULLY so, i mean when you think, of promoter and
when you think of promotions and public relations and the best,
of it you Think Of. Humpy wheeler he was the
Voice Of Charlotte motor speedway for over three decades that
saw one of the, biggest growth, you KNOW. In nascar

(24:33):
he was there from the seventies to the. Two thousands and,
you know we take it for, granted now but someone
said it Best. On twitter forget who.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
It was, you know we all make the Joke To,
Bob pokers hey does this track so and so? Have
lights does this track have? In lights and all. That
stuff before nineteen, Ninety, two kyle the only tracks that
had Lights Were Bristol motor speedway that was, basically it
and any other short track he could. Find them getting
one hot night and Having The all star race and
having it at night at a mile and a half

(25:01):
track opened so many floodgates across all. Of motorsports to
be able to have the lights across the speedway that
big and not have it be a distraction for the
drivers during the race. Was massive and of course the,
promotional tactics the pre, race stunts everything. Like that you
had guys jumping over buses with. Taxi cabs, you know

(25:21):
they've Had evil canievil type guys come here and perform Stuff.
That kyle they had a boxing ring and a boxing
match take place. Before race if they if you think about,
Anything Possible humpy wheeler probably tried to do It before
coke six Hundred or world.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
Six hundred That's how that's how creative he was.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
HE was, i mean he wasn't just an executive in
motorsports like it was far, from THAT and i think
you get the gist. Of it but this guy was a.
Master showman he. Was innovative he, built things he, tried
things he experimented then wasn't afraid. To fail he was DEVOTED,
to NASCAR like i said former college Football, player boxer
but was devoted to motor sports And Transformed Charlotte motor

(26:02):
speedway into a spectacle, of entertainment helped TO elevate nascar
into a, national phenomenon a legacy, of creativity, of PASSION
and i think more, than anything and the thing that
he'd most want to be. Known For and i'm of
course not attempting to speak on, his BEHALF but i
think his life in the record speaks. To this he
was a fans, first guy like he cared about, fans

(26:25):
first and the great promoters in the history of sports
THINK about I Mean jesse cole With the. Savannah bananas if,
this continues and maybe, already is we'll go down in
the same Vein As, humpy wheeler one of the all
time great. Sports, promoters, innovative creative willing to, take risks to,
try things, do things and push forward with things that

(26:45):
other people mock or ridicule or dismiss or think will.
Never work but the core of it is. Fan first
had a mantra to focus on tickets, and traffic and
toilets had this dramatic flare that fundamentally reshaped well he had,
a flair but also fundamentally RESHAPED how nascar engaged with,
its fans with, its audiences the way that it monetized.

(27:07):
Its EVENTS like i realized that when YOU, think nascar
you Think About dale, Earnhardt's senior you Think About, richard,
petty right you think about, you know all the Big Names,
tony stewart But Dear, Darrel Waltra But humpy wheeler is
one of, the biggest most impactful and important names in
the HISTORY of nascar. And motorsports and so our hearts

(27:28):
go out to his family and friends today because, YOU
know i know so many testimonials or rather just first
hand accounts from people today on the text line have
talked about interacting, with him how much they. Loved, him
obviously just to the west, of us Out In gaston
county and in Places Like, belmont abbey he's an. Absolute
legend those folks know as well or better, than anybody
just what he meant to. The Community so robbie, Dangerously

(27:49):
said humpy was a huge contributor to. My College, belmont
abbey where we play basketball is Called The. Wheeler, center
smoke You're A belmont abbey.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Guy me you know all.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
About this his name's all over.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
The.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
University yeah he was always gracious with, you know spending
money up until you know today he died. Earlier today
of wanting to Contribute To belmont abbey and the Growth
Of belmont abbey in the large part has to Do
With humpy wheeler and all his contributions over. The YEARS
and i also do want to give and it's a
good point By Most city jacker the pit crew members
having their names on the back of the. Fire suits
that Was a humpy idea to give recognition to the

(28:21):
Guys On pitt road that, you know as unfortunately we've
seen we're risking, their lives especially in the early nineties because,
back then up until the tragic Accident in atlanta in, NINETEEN
ninety i don't know if, You, noticed kyle they went
full Speed To, pitt road like they were going over
one hundred miles an Hour Into pitt road and trying
to stop on their pitstall to Get To pitt road
and get Out Of pitt road as quickly. As possible,

(28:42):
You know humpy wanted to give those guys credit and
give their guys their Due and that's how we came
to recognize Guys Like. Chocolate Myers So humpy wheeler has
a big part in.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
That too.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
He does he does a couple things. Real quick on the,
TEXT LINE. J W and, denver says he was a
patient at my. Wife's work he, loved her gave her
a million loved her and gave her a million dollar.
Bill signed he carried them in. His Pockets all american
geologists Asking didn't humpy wrestle a?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Bear once did he wrestle? The bear did? SOMEBODY else?
I forget?

Speaker 5 (29:10):
Are you are you gonna mixed Up With? JACKIE moon
i don't know that sounds. LIKE he i Don't think
humpy ever. Actually, wrestled, no, NO no i don't. Think
so looky, was TOUGH but i don't think, he was,
you know like.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
Doing, That, NO no i.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
DON'T think i don't.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Think So shaw, X says i know he's a, polarizing
Figure but vince McMahon is up there with the greatest
promoters And actually bebop Referred to humpy As the vince McMahon, of.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Racing which is.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Obviously touchy, right now in the, promotional tactics the Promotion
right that's the thing is that, you know like we
talked about with the passing Of hul kog and the PASSING. OF. O,
j simpson right when we these people, pass on, these
massive larger than life figures who have made massive contributions
to the public at larger to the world of sports
or promotions and sports, and entertainment, you know a lot

(29:56):
of these guys leave behind, very complicated. Checkered, legacies right.
Nobody's perfect some are worse and better. Than others we get.
All THAT but, I mean, vince McMahon irrespective of the
things that he is accused of and things that he's admitted,
to doing it's undeniable that he's one of the greatest
promoters in the history of. Sports ENTERTAINMENT so i don't
think that's inappropriate to talk about them in that realm

(30:17):
in the.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Same, WAY yeah i, will Say though humpy no bad news.
Around him everyone says he's he was assaulted The earth
man and was just as nice of a man as
he was, A promoter so, if not. It's NICER so
i do want to give him his due credit on,
that front.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
No doubt and rest in Peace To. Humpy wheeler will
talk about This With doug rice coming up later in. The,
Show carla matt's about six. Minutes away so right now
we go to smoke on. The headlines who? Is smoke where?
Is smoke where, there's smoke. There's fire let's go, All.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Right kyle so this happened right after we went off
the air. Last night But the vikings made, a trade
and an interesting one. At that they traded away their,
Defensive Tackle, harrison phillips who's been a starter and a seventh,
round pick To the jets for two six, round picks
one in twenty twenty six and one in twenty. TWENTY
seven I guess i'm going a little Bit Full brian.

(31:11):
Windhorst here why Would the vikings?

Speaker 4 (31:13):
DO that i. DON'T know i don't. Know What.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
But i've also been on Tilt with minnesota like the last,
two YEARS so i can't really figure out exactly what,
they're DOING and i won't pretend to be smarter.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
Than them, BUT.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Yeah i, Don't. Know smoke you got any theories on?

Speaker 6 (31:31):
THAT one i.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Don't know maybe they're trying to save up for. Another
TRADE maybe i. Don't know it could, BE here.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
I, don't know it could be, all right, moving on
what else? You Got?

Speaker 5 (31:39):
All right we've been Talking About cam newton and his
jersey potentially being retired here in the Future. In, charlotte
well a number one jersey is gonna get retired Into
The united states this within the, next year, not, here
though it's gonna Be. In Chicago the bulls Announced That
derek crows will have his number one jersey Retired on january,
twenty fourth twenty.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
Twenty six.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I'm confused a little By the are you surprised they're
doing this.

Speaker 7 (32:10):
A?

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Little BIT but i also know how much that fan base,
loves THEM and i don't think they do this if
he's Not.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
FROM chicago. I agreed i think that's why they're. Doing
it so.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Never again will anyone For The chicago bulls be allowed
to wear?

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Number, one yes.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Who now hold on the headlines say they're retiring? This
jersey is that specifically the?

Speaker 6 (32:30):
Number one? MAYBE not i.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Don't know it's maybe one of those loophole deals that
they have.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
In place, but.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Okay Because what i'm seeing is a jersey retirement ceremony
and that his number one jersey will be added to,
the rafters and that IS.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
The i guess.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
The number, SO yeah, i, mean listen the wording is kind,
of strange BUT the espn story does say his number
will be the fifth jersey retired by, the Franchise Joining
jerry sloane, Number Four bob love, Number Ten michael jordan
of course number, Twenty Three scottie pippen. Number THREE so, i,
mean yeah it sounds like number one will.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Be, RETIRED well, I mean i.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Don't know it's also it's tough because it's a what if,
career too you.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Know, that yeah that's This is is this the Argument
For cam newton in?

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Your mind it could Be Because derrick crow's WON, An
mvp so if you want to go WITH the, MVP argument,
i mean it's. Right there, so listen.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
We're not arguing in a court. Of Law the panthers
will do What the panthers want.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
To do.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
You know my stance on The Whole cam newton debate
was now put him In the Ring, of honor Hang
the newton number one jersey up there in the rafters
or the top of the jersey at the top of,
the stadium rather with the rest Of the Hall of.
Honor members but, You know i'm not getting into the
business of retiring. Additional Numbers If, i'm carolina the only
number that's currently Retired Is sam mills. FIFTY one i
wouldn't start retiring, numbers MYSELF but, i Mean here's chicago

(33:48):
doing It For. Derrick crowse, so listen we'll. Come Back,
Carla metz we'll talk some race and. Some football she's
on the sidelines Tonight for Panthers and steelers preseason game,
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Speaker 4 (34:16):
Live.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
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(34:36):
then we Wait until, september seventh When the panthers head Down.
To jacksonville news Out of, jacksonville today by, the way
Smoke That travis hunter will not play in their final preseason.
Tune up he's not the, only one but he's been
nicked up a little bit in. Training camp leading to
a lot of speculation that he may not last very
long playing both sides of the ball IN. The nfl
what was your stance on, that originally by, the way yeah,

(34:59):
or nay he plays on sides of the.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
BALL significantly i was.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
SOMEWHAT yeay i thought he was going to play both
sides some of, the time but like he's gonna have
to eventually decide which one to play.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
Full.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
TIME yeah i like what we're seeing right Now FROM
shoheyo toni, where yeah, he's pitching but it feels like
the long term play is going to be him hitting instead.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Of, pitching yeah not so great. Last night, all right let's.
Table that let's Bring In, carla metz THE C w
expinity series. Studio host you see her all over the world,
of motorsports and we'll be on the Sidelines for Panthers.
And steelers you watched Her in houston and she's with
us on the hotline for Her weekly. Thursday conversation carla
mets how.

Speaker 8 (35:32):
Are you i'm doing well. And hostin there's some clouds
in the sky. Right now i'm hoping that's clear by by.
Kickoff tonight that would.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
BE nice i just noticed the, same thing little breeze
rolling through some. Clouds overhead it's a little bit of
a lean crowd out here tonight because we're not expecting
any Of the panthers' starters to. Play tonight what do
you Think Of dave canalis's decision after, The starters, you
know it didn't look so hot last week Down in
houston to give them the night off tonight Against.

Speaker 8 (35:58):
The, STEELERS yeah, I mean i think you wanted to, see,
More RIGHT and I Think steve smith said it well
on the broadcast Down, in houston like that's not the
way you want your first team to go out. And
execute and, you know it doesn't really give a lot
of a lot to be desired for fans to get.
EXCITED about, I mean i think everybody kind of felt.
That way but on the flip side, of that they

(36:20):
did get, you Know like, canalis said we've, heard it,
you know for two weeks in a, row now really
good joint PRACTICES against Botha the browns And the texans
the past couple, of weeks and and SO you i
think you lean, on that and you also realize too
that their offense does it's it's like part of a,
flow right like and and you have to kind of

(36:41):
get in. The groove and we did see that at
times last year with, this offense even toward, you know
at the end of, the season when they were performing
a little. Bit BETTER so i can kind, of, understand,
like yeah you want to see them execute and not
go three and out two times in. A row but
there's a sense, of like had they been able to

(37:01):
stay out there a little, bit longer like there would
have been more of, a yeah more of that sense
of like moving. The BALL and I and, i say it's,
you know it wasn't exciting, to WATCH and i certainly
emphathize as fans, On that but on the, flip side
it's just the preseason and hold your judgment at least
a couple.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
More, WEEKS yeah i.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Get that in terms of the depth of, This, team
carla what do, you THINK because i think we could
make the argument that the front to the starting twenty
two on, both sides, you know improved over. Last year
but it's, the depth especially defensively that still really. Concerns
people how big a concern is that?

Speaker 6 (37:36):
For you.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Not a.

Speaker 8 (37:38):
CONCERN yet I mean i think the, you know tonight's
going to be a really big night for some of
these guys that are, you know second and, third stringers
and some of these rookies that really want to, try to,
you know make a name for themselves and. An IMPACT
so i, would say, you know ignore maybe what this
score looks like Against the. STEELERS tonight, i mean don't
even pay attention, to that but keep your eye out

(37:59):
on some of, These guys like there are several positions
up for some of these guys to make, this roster
and especially on the. Defensive side to, your point AND and,
i think, you know a lot, of times, you know
we saw the We Saw Shaw smith wade, right like
he's played different positions, on defense kind Of a swiss.
Army knife they're looking for some more of those guys

(38:22):
on the younger front to be that for them on.
The DEFENSE so i think there's some there is a lack,
of DEPTH and I think I Think dan morgan will
do his due diligence before we get to, the season
especially when the waiver wires come out and they're able
to kind of look around the league at some. Other
PLAYERS so, i think, you know at least hold your
judgment until. That point BUT then i also realized too

(38:44):
that you might not have depth at a, certain position
but there might be some other guys at different positions
that could also come over and play it.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
If.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Needed, Carlo Yesterday mike florio was openly musing about The
Possibility adam feeling could be dealt Back to minnesota because
they need. Wide Receivers tom pelsero was part of a
Report about minnesota hitting. The Market kay Adams got kevin
O'Connell kind of Giggling About adam thielen in an, interview
yesterday which fueled. THE speculation i don't know what's going,

(39:14):
To happen, IF anything I suspect carolina probably wants to
hang On To. Adam thieln but what do you think
of this, this speculation because it ties back to what
is now a perceived deep wide, receiver room and maybe
you could use one of those guys to help your football.
Team elsewhere what do you think of all this discussion
over the last twenty.

Speaker 8 (39:31):
Four hours it's definitely, very INTERESTING and i Think the
vikings are probably looking at it and looking at thelan's
production because he has been kind of the number one
target the past couple of seasons and going, oh wow
he really can play football into his thirteenth year and
even get better in down. The STRETCH so I think
i think it. MAKES sense i think to your point
about the wide receiver room being really deep, RIGHT now

(39:54):
i think this all comes down to what would you
what would you get? For him right like that that
be the bigger Takeaway for carolina to want to get
you to want to part ways with feeling just because
of what he has meant to the culture of this
team the past. Three seasons what he Means To, bryce
YOUNG right i feel like that's kind of a little
bit of a safety blanket to know that you've got

(40:15):
such a dynamic and experienced wide receiver out on. The
field but there is a lot, Of talent AND again
i don't necessarily agree that they should get rid, of
steeling but it certainly you have to listen to see
possibly if there's an exchange to be made that could
be a Value for carolina in.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
The, future carlos you've been on the sidelines. This preseason
i'm just curious if you've noticed much or Anything About
bryce young in the way that he's carrying himself talking to.
HIS teammates i ask in part because there's a clip
circulating TODAY about i think it Was from blueprint him Coaching,
Up Xavier league gett and some other. Wide receivers, you
know it seemed to be really understanding the playbook and
how things should, be running and people were very happy

(40:53):
to see that sort. Of thing but have you picked
up on anything if You noticed bryce on the sidelines
being more active and talking to.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
His, TEAMMATES yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
Mean i think he's always been active kind of on
those one on, one CONVERSATIONS but i will say in
that and, watching him he, Seems lighter like he seems
like maybe he's not carrying the way to. The World
and i'm not saying that he necessarily. Was beforehand i'm,
just saying like your, body, demeanor smiley laughing with. YOUR
teammates i was Talking To austin corbett about this a

(41:22):
couple of weeks ago before we started the, preseason games
and he, just said, you know we're as a whole
on the offense able to have, these lighter more fun
moments at practice because they're not delving into this playbook
trying to understand the offense like this is their second
year under. This offense there's more. Understanding there, that way
they're able to relax a little, Bit MORE and i

(41:43):
think that probably speaks a lot to some of these.
Preseason Games but i've heard from, coaches Too like brce
has always been good one on one with, his TEAMMATES
but i think, this year because there is that understanding,
the offense he's able to vocalize his own understanding of
the offense to his teammates even in a, group setting

(42:03):
whereas last year was, you know a lot of the
coaches were talking to him directly trying to get his
understanding up. To Speed now bryce is one to kind
of help these other players around him get up, to speed, All, Right.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
CARLO before i let, You go carlo mets with us
here the ceed w you can Watch For infinity series
coverage coming. Up tomorrow as a matter, of fact racing day,
this Weekend The wah wah Two fifty, tomorrow night followed
by of Course the Coke zero sugar four hundred coming
Up on Saturday. At daytona just some, quick thoughts real
Quick on tomorrow Night The.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Exfinity, RACE yeah i love.

Speaker 8 (42:37):
It that at the night Race, on friday, of Course
The cup series gets to night Race, on saturday which
is just really a lot. Of fun everybody loves going
Down to, daytona AGAIN and i know everybody, makes a,
you know a big deal About the daytona five hundred
to start, the season but this one is also really
important For The. Cup series it's the cutoff race right
for before they start, The postseason so there's a lot

(42:58):
on the line for several of those guys where they are.
In points if you get a, new winner that knocks somebody,
else out and certainly, we saw, you know that pressure
being elevated even more So After austin dillon Won. At
Richmond The xfinity, series side they still got three races
less before the. Postseason starts, but still, you know we're
Gonna See connor zilich get in, his car which, is

(43:20):
incredible the fact that he just broke his collarbawn after
his Win In victory Lane At. Watkins glen, but again
there's some other guys that are sitting on the cut
line and every, point matters so pretty exciting stuff as
you Had to daytona and realize that everybody's fighting for something,
out there and that's the case for.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Both, series well since you, mentioned it any Thoughts On
austin dillon affirming his Abilities.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
At richmond back to back Wins At.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
Richmond, raceway yeah that was quite, the race and, you
know good. FOR him i think that has. TO steel
i can't imagine what that, feels like but as an
athlete to he got to keep his win, last year
but he lost his playoffs eligibility to be able to repeat.
That performance and like, His Grandfather richard, schielder said you

(44:06):
did it the. RIGHT way i thought it was really
really a great storyline and really a great a great
thing for the three team. In general they led like
the most laps the three team has Led Since dale
senior was behind. The wheel so just really cool, historically
too and exciting for that team to get.

Speaker 6 (44:25):
Into playoffs, Love.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
IT carl i know. You're busy we'll let you get
ready for the. Broadcast tonight we'll see you on. The sidelines,
all right.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
Sounds Good, Thanks kyle Carla.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Mets, xfinity series THE C w studio host On the
sidelines tonight on your Televisions With steve smith And The
nise shroff For Preseason panthers week. Three coverage hangs out
with Us. EVERY thursday i just got back to back
text from people who don't understand why fans are excited
About This panthers wide, receiver court more specifically contesting or

(44:52):
challenging the idea that this is a deep wide. Receiver
room back to back text. Coming in we'll talk about.
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!

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