October 13, 2025 • 47 mins
In the show's opening hour, Kyle recaps the Panthers 30-27 victory over the Cowboys from Rico's historic performance to the Panthers hitting the .500 mark for the first time since 2021.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Two Victory Mondays in a row. Whatever did we do
to deserve it? I don't care what it was. I
just appreciate it, and especially so because the Carolina Panthers
sent the Dallas Cowboys home with a loss yesterday thirty
to twenty seven. The Carolina Panthers are three and three
for the first time since twenty twenty one. Rico Dwell
went slap off for a second consecutive week, Bryce Young
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making big plays, Teoll McMillan finds the end zone not once,
but twice, his first pay dirt of his NFL career.
And the defense, my goodness, the defense looking like they
have improved dramatically. What a difference that Derek Brown can
make in the middle of a defense, to say nothing
of Ashan Robinson and Bobby Brown. And boy, we got
a lot to talk about and a whole lot of
fun to have here on a Panther Monday Victory Monday
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know how you're feeling. Obviously, we had a postgame show
where everybody was celebrating yesterday here on WFNZ. I was
walking down Morehead Street after all the postgame interviews, listening
to the phone calls, listening to the drunk and excited
Panthers fans call into WFNZ to celebrate sending the Cowboys
home with an l I was walking through the tailgate.
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Lots Cowboys fans were very, very upset and emotional yesterday
after the game, and it was it was a pleasant sight,
to say the least. So we have a ton to
talk about. Steve Smith back in forty two minutes, and
one thing I'm sure he's going to harp on big
time is what he said last week about how well
Rico Dowdell was running the football and his belief that
he could be the starter on this team moving forward.
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We'll talk to Agent eighty nine coming up in forty
two minutes, but mostly your phone calls today and your
thoughts on a massive win we do get to, by
the way, a crazy weekend in college football. More pink
slips handed out in college football this weekend, most notably
James Franklin at Penn State and what that means for them,
what it means for a litany of other schools that
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either have or are likely about to have head coaching
vacancies in the power for we have so so much
to get to and again seven oh four, five, seven
oh ninety six ten, hit us up with your thoughts,
your feelings, and whether or not you're adjusting expectations for
the Panthers after back to back wins. They've yet to
win on the road. We all know that's going to
be pointed out, but they are three to zero at
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Bank of Erica Stadium and yesterday no early turnovers, got
off to a pretty quick start offensively, even though there
was I take that back, no early turnovers necessarily because
of the quarterback. Let me rephrase that we did have
the interception that drop off the hands of Tedero McMillan
that was popped up for an interception that really did
kind of sour the mood early on, but they bounced back.
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They were resilient and man, they ran the football. Oh,
it was awesome to see. Good afternoon, Smoke, Ludwig. I
know you've been busy at work the last twenty four
hours getting a set for today's show. I will throw
in there that Smoke put the finishing touches on Loser
Radio last night around midnight, because as soon as we
cracked the mic today at three o'clock already people were
texting in two words Loser Radio that is coming your
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way at three twenty five, twenty minutes from now. Smoke
has whipped up another masterpiece of Loser Radio. Twenty minutes
from now. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Bo?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Any day you can win against the Dallas Cowboys is
a great day in my mind. And it's the first
time they've beaten them since two and eighteen, which was,
ironically enough, the first game of the David Tepper era. Kyle,
this team's now three and zero for the first time
since twenty eighteen. Yep, and you're at five hundred for
the first time since twenty twenty one when Cam Newton
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yelled I'm back.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
It's hard to believe. I mean four years.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
We have run the gamut over the last I mean
seven years technically, but definitely the last four years.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I don't know, you know, we're not.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Going to mention that word just yet, but man, it
feels like you're starting to get out of the basement
and get through the rubble of the mistakes that have
been made over the last six to seven years. And
is everything perfect still? No, absolutely not, and that's to
be expected. But man, it's nice to have not talking
about the P word, but the H word hope. It
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feels like there's actual tangible hope and we can actually
look to to hope on the field and say, yeah,
that's doing pretty good there right there.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Well, I'll use the P word.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I'll use it because playoffs always the goal every year,
and I'm a firm believer in this unless it's one
of those obvious years end of a quarterback era, firing
a coach onslaught like the kind of let's just say
extenuating circumstances that we do see across the NFL. And
unless you know you're pressing that detonate reset button in
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the whole season is going to be about breaking in
a new quarterback or transitioning. Every year, you should be
trying to compete for the postseason. I believe that. And
so what did we ask for? And I say we,
you and I here on this show. We asked for
this team to be in the mix in December. We
asked for this team to improve on the five wins
from last year, you know, win seven to nine games.
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Be in the mix, be in the hunt in December,
be on that graphic on Fox or on CBS on
a December eighth Sunday game. Hey, Carolina is in the hunt.
You know, Carolina is in the mix for an NFC
wildcard spot. That's what you want to see for an
organization that has been out in the wilderness, lost, losing, ugly,
tons of turnover, no ident, mocked nationally. All the things
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that we know to be true about Carolina over the
past couple of years, and we simply asked this year
for this team to be in the mix. Well, at
three and three, you are in the mix. Here in
the middle of October. It's not December yet. We still
have six more weeks to go, and things can change.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
And there's a level of base nervousness about this Jets
game that we'll get to given the stakes and where
each team is. And again we'll come to that a
little bit later in the show. But you ask for
this team to be in the mix. That's what I
wanted be in the mix. Show Improvement, improve on five wins. Well,
you know, through six weeks, with eleven games to go,
they've already won three games after winning five last year.
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You got to like that and not to be repetitive.
And I know we say this sort of thing quite
often and have the last week or two, but you'd
take three and three. If somebody had offered you three
and three through six games with this football team before
the season began, I think the vast majority of people
would take it, would have taken it without any hesitation
as a matter of fact.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
And so that's where you are. You're three and three,
and I know some of the.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The detractors or the skeptics who are still out there
today will remind you that Miami's in a bad place,
that Miami's defense is not great, the Dallas has a
bad defense, and those things are true.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It's undeniable.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I will not try to put lipstick on a pig
and make you believe that this Panthers offense put up
twenty seven points and looked really confident, had a ton
of success against a bad Cowboys defense, and that suddenly
means their world beaters. But it's the NFL. Winning is hard,
and it's also about building confidence.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Last year when the Panthers beat the Giants and the Saints,
not many people thought that those were really good teams,
but it did build confidence. And football is all about
confidence at the quarterback position, the running back position, playing
as a unit, not just confident in your own abilities,
but confident in the play calling, confident in the offensive system.
Confidence that the guy next to you is going to
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do his job. And the last two weeks have done
a ton, obviously, and that was evident for those of
us in the Panthers' locker room yesterday after the game,
to build a boat low of confidence, So you know,
that's it, Like this team is more confident than we've
seen them in a very long time.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It started with Rico dowdele and his determination to show
up his old team and to prove to them what
they missed out on or what they let walk away
in free agency. He told them after the Dolphins win
last Sunday to buckle up, and then from that point
forward there was not really any more trash talk, no
real bulletin board material. Everybody kind of did the right thing,
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but Rico came out and delivered on exactly the message
that he was sending last Sunday. This guy has strung
together an historic back to back game performance and yesterday
just ridiculous. One hundred and eighty three yards rushing on
thirty carries, fifty six yards receiving, had that long receiving
touchdown to start the second half, and was the heart
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and soul of that team because he carried the banner
for them.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yesterday. Bryce was great.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I thought yesterday played one of his most efficient games
as a Carolina Panther. Pushed the ball down the field
the things that are critical to offensive success, and if
you watch the game broadcast, you heard Greg Olsen really
preaching that and what it meant for them to push
the ball downfield and be a balanced offense and so on,
and it's all true. But it started with Rico Daddle
yesterday and a running attack that just got whatever they
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wanted against the Cowboys from the start of that game
throughout pretty much all of it. And he set the tone.
He made his teammates believe. Bryce stepped up, McMillan stepped
up certainly after the early mistake. Jimmy Horn Junior continued
to perform yesterday. You love to see that Xavier League
get got into the mix. Hunter Renfro with a one
and only but critical fourth down grab yesterday late in
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that game. Mitchell Evans is getting more and more involved
the rookie tight end out of Notre Dame. And with
some of these absences yesterday, no Chuba, no j T Sanders,
no Taylor Moten, three offensive starters down, guys stepped up
and they beat America's team on what was basically a
national stage yesterday. If you were in a market that
didn't have a home game on Fox, you got and
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Panthers yesterday from Bank of America Stadium, and those guys
got to show the nation yesterday what this roster can
do and what they're all about. And it was just
a great day to be a Panther fan, to be
in that stadium, the atmosphere, even with you know, yes,
an infiltration of Cowboys fans inside the Bank Panthers fans
were loud, they were rowdy, They made an impact, and
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the walk back down the street yesterday was great. You
how many times I've walked out of that stadium and
even staying for postgame press conferences, many of which have
been somber and sad, you know, and walk down the street,
you know, down Wes moorehead back to our station to
get in the truck and go home, and the streets
are largely cleared, like within an hour after the game.
I walked down Morehead yesterday, smoke, like an hour after kickoff,
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and it was still bumper to bumper traffic getting out
of Bank of America Stadium. The tailgate lots were partying,
the music was blaring. It just it felt like I
wasn't here for twenty fifteen on a week to week basis,
but I was here for the aftermath of it, you know,
the next couple of years of Cam and that group together,
when there was still an energy, when there was a
little bit leafed that that group had one more run
in them, and the vibes in the city and the
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excitement you could feel it before and after games, and
yesterday felt like that. It was just amazing to see
Charlotte lit up the way that it was yesterday all
day long.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I gotta say this, the most energy just from the
callers that called into the post game show, the most
energy and the most complaints we've had about traffic since
twenty eighteen. It's been that long, yeah, And that was when,
you know, still the Cam Newton era, so it's been
a while since we've had something like that. And I
also got to say, you're talking about guys that stepped up.
You know, I kind of poop pooed on this guy
and was not had no confidence in him. I didn't
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hear Joshnizeman's name at all yesterday, so I want to
give a hat tip to him.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
He did a great job proving me wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Make me eat cro I'll gladly eat Crow after that
performance yesterday because he was persona on Grada in the
best possible way, since I didn't have to hear his
name be called by Greg Olsen or Adam Amean really
at all, So I wanted to give him some shout
out too.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And now the thing is, yeah, you got the.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Game against the Jets, which is a classic trap game.
In my opinion, I'm nervous about it, sure, just because
because everything feels like it should be going Carolina's way
in that game. But I also do believe that this
is the toughest defense they'll play in the last three games.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yesterday.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely that. And you know, MetLife has me
nervous with that turf. We complained about the turf here,
but the turf at MetLife is notoriously bad. Plus, this
week is the thirty year anniversary of Carolina's first win,
which was against the Jets with that current logo. And
by the way, what was the Carolina's record heading into
that game in nineteen ninety five? Oh w and six?
What's the Jets current record right now? Oh w and six.
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I just don't want to be that one take care business.
But it kind of makes you hit the nail the
head when you talked about that back to back wins
against the Giants and the Saints last year, Yeah, it
wasn't against the greatest teams. Both of them bad, heck,
both of them. Let go of somebody. They let go
of Dennis Allen and basically, uh yeah, they actually let
go of Daniel Jones immediately following that game. But I
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look at that saying, hey, that gives you a belief
of what you're doing is right. And now you got
after the Jets game, specifically, you got a tough stretch upcoming.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
This is these next three to four.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Weeks will tell us what this Carolina team looks like
for the rest of the year and what they could
be looking like heading into the twenty twenty six offseason.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
If you believe you can win, you've got a much
better chance to win, right. I know that sounds like
a captain obvious statement, But if you believe you can win,
you're more likely to win. If you don't believe you
can win, you're probably not going to win. If you
believe you can execute, you're more likely to execute. That's
what we're talking about, that confidence that the teams feed
off of. And at one in three almost nobody was
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confident in this football team. And I'm sure there was
a greater deal of confidence inside the building than there
was outside of it. There's no question about that. But
still it starts to seep in oh, here we go again.
We're one in three, blown out by the Patriots, who
aren't supposed to be a very good team. As it
turns out there better than we thought. But still, you know,
that can start to really cascade, right, an avalanche on you.
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But now they've won back to back games, and yes,
the big test now is to go win on the road.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
But you've won back to back games.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You did so by overcoming a seventeen point deficit to
beat Miami, which showed a great deal of resilience and
overcoming adversity and mental toughness and all that. And then
yesterday when everybody questioned whether or not you could win
a shootout with Dallas, and granted that wasn't a thirty
eight to thirty five type of shootout, but it was still,
you know, fifty seven combined points blew the over by
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the way that line had been creeping down prior to kickoff,
the line dropped from forty nine and a half to
forty seven and a half before kickoff. Yesterday, I won
it earlier. You could have wanted it. I just I
didn't understand why it was coming down. But yesterday it
just never felt like even with some of the mistakes,
and even with Dallas's big plays George Pickens running wild,
It's still never felt like like Carolina was out of
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the game. And so, yes, Dallas bad defense. They've been
a part of a whole lot of lead changes as
a result of it. But Carolina had the confidence to
come back and make plays and it was awesome to watch.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
And I'll go ahead and say this two.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
For as much as you know, the defense is still
not completely fixed, specifically on the passing end, and I
think matchup wise, Mike Jackson specifically will have matchup struggles
if he goes against guys like George Pickens specific Look,
we can say all we want to about the defense,
but what did he do in that final drive shut
Dallas down?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, screen game got blown up.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Then the next play Dak couldn't see anyone who was
getting pressured and then had to check it down and
didn't play after that was just a checkdown. And even
though this team is I think going to struggle for
the rest of the year to get sacks on a
consistent basis, Yeah, I got to point something out on
all those third down plays where Dak got pressured, who
is the guy doing it for the most part.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Patrick Jones. Yeah, yeah, Patrick Jones.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
He may not get into sacks, but man, he's made
a lot of key plays that don't show up on
the stat sheet. I don't know if he's a true
starting as rusher on a true championship contender, but he
just showed why he got paid and why he had
a career year to previous year with the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
So I got to give Patrick Jones his flowers for
his performance yesterday too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And the guys in the middle, it was just I
love and it was so obvious last year what they
were missing in the middle, Bobby Brown and Turk Wharton
who didn't play again yesterday. They weren't a part of
last year's team. But Derek Brown got hurt, and so
in the middle, you know, there's there's a reason why
this team was so bad against the run last year,
historically bad as a matter of fact. Now you got
Derek Brown, Ashawn Robinson, Bobby Brown coming off as part
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of that second wave. I mean, he got in there
and made some massive place I think at least two
maybe three TFLs in the third quarter alone, had that
massive stop on third down and one which was incredible
and if you can keep those guys healthy and get
Turk Wharton back out there, I mean it's just night
and day difference. Because the Cowboys stood no chance to
run the football yesterday with Javonte Williams, who had had
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a good year up until this point.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yeah, that's a crazy thing. It's not like, you know,
we're talking about this well, you know, maybe it's a fluke. No,
the guys that they shut down the last two weeks,
Davon a Chan who's one of the only bride spots
on the Miami Dolphins right now. It's basically him and
Waddle and Darren Waller that you can look to and
be happy about if you're a Dolphins fan.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Completely shut down.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And Javontay Williams, who's been having a career resurgent year,
he's back onto the map. You know this, I said,
this is a big game for him because it's a homecoming.
You know, he's Garner's not that not that close here,
but it's closer than any other team, so he's probably
had a lot of family here. He was Mia pretty
much in the whole entire game. Didn't do anything, and
that's a testament to this run defense. We can still
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have complaints and concerns about the defense as a whole,
but the run defense, man, I'm I'm completely sold that
this run defense is going to shut down most any
running back because you shut down two really good running
backs over the last two weeks. And I'll go ahead
and say this too, I'm starting to believe Ashan Robinson
might be one of the most ten to fifteen most
underrated players in the entire NFL because he was one
of the bright spots that was just trying to keep
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the run defense together last year. He just couldn't do
it all by himself. And now look what he's doing
next to Derek Brown. He could be this generation Starlettulula.
It's a lot of fun to watch. Hit us up
seven oh four five seven ninety six ten. We got
Smitty back in twenty six minutes, So when we come back,
we'll take your phone calls.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
We'll take him throughout the show. But now's a good
time to get in seven oh four, five, seven oh
ninety six ten. Your thoughts on back to back wins,
what you think it means for this team now with
three and three moving forward with an zero to six
Jets team, awaiting on Sunday, and what so many of
you have been waiting for. We've gotten to do this
far more to that this year already than we have
in previous seasons. The Panthers won, they sent the Cowboys
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packing the Dallas Cowboys edition of Loser Radio when we
returned Sports Radio ninety two to seven WFNZ.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Oh for sure, Yeah, definitely special. Just being back home
in front of a lot of family and friends, and
had to color a lot of people at the game today,
and like I said, I'm on the home team, So
definitely special getting to do it here.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Ink noo.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Calma Rico Daddle another monster performance yesterday at the Bank,
just running all over his former team, the Gafney, South Carolina.
Native graduate of ac Reynolds High School up in Ashville,
North Carolina, and a man who played for the game
Cocks as well. He's Carolina born and bred, and he
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got to do what he did yesterday at the Bank
in front of the home crowd against his old team,
the Dallas Cowboys and real quick. In the postgame, Rico
was asked, was it personal today against Dallas?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Honey?
Speaker 6 (19:02):
This is a lot that went on in those five
years while I was there, But yeah, I definitely said
it was a little person. I just wanted to get
to win and have a great performance from my enn
and like I said, those guys allowed me to do it.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He was able to get the job done.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Again.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
He was very humble.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I did have some jokes so they wasn't buckled up
and talking about Dallas after the game yesterday, but really
humble in the postgame press conference, and real quick, before
we get to the thing that everybody's in this segment
for right now, and that's Loser Radio, a couple of
Texters already bringing up the Excel attempted pitch and lateral
at the end of the first half. I know it
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gave everybody a heart attack, one guy saying that he
thought it was insanely stupid and he's out on Rico.
I'm sorry he's still out on Excel as a result
of it.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
It was funny.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
We were sitting in the press box watching it happen, myself,
Colin Hoggard Mack and Willie p yesterday and one or
two people in the moment said, I wonder if Rico
actually called for that, And we sit with Al Wallace
up there too. By the way, shout out Al Wallace
for more Panthers defensive end. He's going to join on
the show tomorrow. Looking forward to having him back, but
no one really knew. Some people thought maybe some people
thought no. I asked Dave Canalis at the end or
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about the end of the first half and the way
they managed it. Dave's taken a lot of crap for
the way that he's managed end of half situations and
even some end of game situations as it relates to
clock management and things like that. I thought he managed
the end of the first half really well yesterday, down
seventeen to ten, wanting to ensure they got some points,
knowing they were getting the football back to start the
second half, and that pitch, that lateral attempt was nearly disastrous,
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There's no question about that. But as I'm asking Dave
about that, he volun tears to me that Rico came
to the sideline and admitted to him that he called
for the pitch from Excel, that he was calling for
Excel to pitch him the football and that's why Excel
did it. Now you can do what parents do sometimes
and ask your kids that if their friends asked them
to jump off a bridge would they do it, And
that's fine, that's fair, But it was in fact the
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case that Rico called for it, And just to be sure,
I asked Rico about that yesterday in the post game.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Yeah I did, was telling him that's on me. I
told the coaches the same thing. It was like, no
mat stuff up, things like that. But yeah, when he
caught it, I was like, pitch and pitch and pitcher
and he actually pitched it, so yeah, yeah, I was
just once he pitched and I seen it going there,
and I'm like, yeah, but we had never practiced nothing
like that before.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
But yeah, it was great to.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Play, just trying to make plays out there. Like you
you see those opportunities every once in a while when
you see a guy getting tackled and you see some
space out. So I'm just like, pitch and pitch and
pitch it. And I thought maybe if I would have
got it on a clean pitch something, I could gain
some more yards.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But yeah, yeah, that's one of those things that you
laugh about after the fact. If you win the game
and it doesn't cost you. If you lose the game
and it costs you, it's not so funny. But because
it didn't cost them ultimately and they won the game.
You can laugh about it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, it kind of goes like the classic a moment
from Major League where really made Hayes decides to hot
dog and grandstand for a catch. Then he comes to
dug out. Lou Brown says, great catch, Well he never
bleep and do it again. Yeah. It was one of
those things where outside of the great catches like never
do that again.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Please, for the love of God, don't do that again.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Luckily for Excel, that's still not the worst lateral move
in Panthers history.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
That still, unfortunately belongs to Chris Gamble, which.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
We got for those that don't know. Smoke was immediately
texting me and Mac in the press box yesterday to
remind us of that, and then he dug up the
footage of it and put it on Twitter. Yes, beautiful
grainy two forty footage from two thousand and six. Yes,
which also led to a Ryan Longwell touchdown. Get the
Kickers scored a touchdown to tide a game up and
they lost that game.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah, but yeah, so man, oh man, cheez, that had
that had my nerves to up.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh the whole yeah, the whole press box was like mumbling,
what are you doing? What do you what are you doing?
It turns out we found out after the fact. Also
real quick Dominate says, let's not overlook the smart play
of TREVORYTN going down instead of scoring a touchdown on
the final run of the game. Absolutely, he gets credit
for that. But you know who else gets credit for
that is Bryce Young because apparently after the game, we
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found out that Bryce in the huddle was reiterating to
ETN if they let you through, go down, go down.
Here's Bryce after the game.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Yeah, yeah, you know again, we want to leave no doubt.
We want to make sure that you know we were
in uh, you know, your first down, get down. Make
sure that you know we don't want to give them
time back, you know, and we talk about that here.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You know, we we have uh.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Situational presentations about that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You know, we're prepared.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
The coaching staff does a great job of you know,
giving us situations like this to do it. So it
was just just communicating that and it's a great job
from from from Trevor. You know, young guy could could
easily you know, go rogue and.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Say I was my shot.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
But team first guys, so you know it was.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It was big both ends of half yesterday. We're managed well.
It's great to get a win. Everything feels better when
you win. Everything looks better when you win. But you know,
the end of half management yesterday, both first half and
second half from Dave Canalis and that offense, we're much
better than we've seen so far. And that's a testament
to them and the things that they work on, and
I think the things that Dave Canalis is preaching. Smashburger
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asks KB, what are your thoughts on what happens when
CHEWBA comes back. Well, I'm gonna come back to that
in just a minute, and phone lines open if you
want to get in step seven ninety six ten. It
is a conversation. It's a good problem, but it's a conversation.
We're going to have it. So if you want to
give us a call, seven oh four five, seven oh
ninety six ten, now's a good time to get in.
But first, as we do when the Panthers win, we
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take great delight in the misery of the losing opponent.
We call it loser. Radio Smoke put the finishing touches
on it last night at about midnight and I've heard
it already once.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I think you're going to enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
The Dallas Cowboys edition of Loser Radio.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
I was wrong about my Dallas Cowboys. They're obviously not
better than everybody thinks. They're way, way, way worse than
everybody thinks.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Even me.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Boy, this really changes the way that you're looking at
this football team.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
After a disappointing road defeat, now Dallas really got what
they deserved.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
This defense is is really historically bad.
Speaker 10 (24:59):
Yeah, we get so making a run and trying to
get in the playoffs, they're gonna have.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
To go and lit evil flew slow. It's no way
you could keep it, man. His defense is horrible. They
could not stop nothing. It's like being open on Harry
Hinde in Dallas. Tictions man, everything was open.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
Man, Well, I ain't done all right, Taylors. That was peniful.
That was some of the worst things. Those defensive players
they need to take the stars off their helmet and
put on a picture of a cow paddy, because that's
what they were today.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
There's a lot of individual talent on that defense, but
I watched it quit on Matt eber Fraud, the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Let me tell you that offense, they got the ball
in the road forty six and did nothing with it.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
That's a failure right there.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You're you're ten yards, yeah, you're ten yards away from
getting your in the field goal range when they actually
do get a stop.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
What do you do? You don't play complementary football? No,
you pee down your leg.
Speaker 11 (25:54):
Listen to you a straight back right now while he's
playing the mask he's ever played yet one or two
first round takes four paired with the other two extra
first round picks you had, and rebuild this defense. Bringing
Matt Jones with a great coordinator, you have a Super
Bowl two years guaranteed. I've watched it for fifty years.
Speaker 10 (26:10):
We ned co head coaches at this point, the one
to run the defense because Shotty's not doing a bad
job at offense, and Cherry's got the funds to help
you and see facilitate the buyout and every bring Bell
over here to run this defense, you know, I mean,
then he opens the doors to Hey, you now got
your hands on Bill Belichick and what he's got to offer,
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and he's here. If you decide that shot he's not
working and you want to make him your head coach.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
They made it clear Rico Daddle was gonna be the
bell cout today.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Okay. And oh, by the way, that's a guy you
know like you. He was in your system. He got
a thousand yards last year.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Footballs was here five years. Theoretically, the Cowboys should know
Rico Daddle better than the Carolina Panthers do exactly, and
he's still put up two fifty on you today.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
He reaped revenge and havoc on my Dallas cowboy by
carrying the ball thirty times for one hundred and eighty
three yards.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
And one buckled up.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Well, I'm doing real good fellers.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Get mc jones in here, trade Dak Prescott wile he's
at his highest value. Get mac jones in here, rebuild
that defense. You'll have a Super Bowl in two years.
I've been watching it for fifty years, I tell you God.
I love Cowboys fans. Oh they're the best. Also the worst.
That is loser radio round of applause for one smoke, Ludwig.
I mean, I bet, honestly, that's a labor of love
for you to get to listen to Cowboys fans melt
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down that way and then turn it into a montage. There,
I say montage of misery, which I hear is coming
tomorrow on the Back and Bone show.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well done, Smoke. That was very well done, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
They had a postgame show and a post postgame show.
I kid you not.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
You want to know how much.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
They love Dallas Cowboys football or hate Dallas Cowboys football.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
That's how much.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Stay on one two five point three to fan down
in Dallas, which by the way, was actually really good.
Listen because he first host on the postgame show, we're
a lot more reasonable. The second host world real about you, Rico,
We're a little bit less reasonable and just a little
bit more fans, but a lot of fun. I mean,
there's a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor.
It was tough to narrow it down. That guy that said,
I'll tell you what failers.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
He was complaining about. He was complaining.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
About the fact that he knew that re Hunter Renfro
at Renfro failure. So I do real good failers taking
them stars off for how much put cow patties on?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And that's how they're playing seven O four five seven
ninety six to ten. Hit us up on the fan
duel text line, let's squeez hit a phone call. Matt
from Greensboro gets the first one on a Panthers victory Monday.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
What's up, Matt? How are you.
Speaker 10 (28:40):
Cowboys fans of delusion?
Speaker 12 (28:42):
Bill Belichick's going to be their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You think it's what they think, or at least that
guy does.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
Oh gotta love it.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Man, I can't.
Speaker 12 (28:52):
I don't beating any more anything more than Cowboys. It's
just great and great to see their fans.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Lose their minds.
Speaker 12 (29:00):
I just I love the way they closed this game out.
Do you think uh uh Dak Prescott thought when they
funded the ball back six minutes left, he wouldn't get back.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
On the field, no shot six minutes.
Speaker 12 (29:13):
I mean that that well, that was Cuinny. That's every
coach's dream to get the ball and the game win
his situation to run the clock out for six minutes
the field, That's incredible, And that's that's the culture. That's
the feeling I have out of the Seed. It's not
oh crap, what are they going to do to lose it?
It's They're gonna go down there and win this game.
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That's how I feel. And Bryce, I mean, you need
him to make a critical fourfound pass. He's gonna do it.
I don't know how, he just does it. He comes
up with these big plays every game, though, and that's
all we need.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
H Thank you, buddy, Appreciate the phone call. The best
thing that you can say about a quarterback for the
most part is that he was efficient. And Bryce Young
was incredibly efficient yesterday. There weren't as many like big
time throws as there were last week against Miami. Like
big time throws, I'm talking about pushing it down the field,
tight coverage, those sorts of things. But he pushed the
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ball down the field. He made good decisions. They leaned
on the running game, and you'll I'll win like that
all day long, Like you'll take wins like that every
single day of the week. But he threw for a
buck ninety nine, three touchdowns and a pick, and he
should have had a clean slate, a clean sheet. It
should not have been on him. Tedoro McMillan dropped that
ball led to him an interception. You can forgive him
in a win, but it robbed Bryce of a clean sheet.
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It would would have been not that far off from
a perfect passer rating yesterday if it weren't for that.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
I mean, the trailing he was ten for ten from
the fields. I mean that just showed you right there.
Plus you said, you know, he didn't push the ball
down the field that much, but when he did, they
resulted in big time plays for Carolina's offense. I think
of the the Froda Mitchell Evans by the way, the
way he stepped up into pocket and Yosh Nigelman was
able to get that last defender. For him to just
cleanly deliver it to him was massive, And then you
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had to Froe Dierico daddle him able to improvise out
of the pocket, have enough room. It was just another
big win. So he didn't throw deep balls that much.
And Jimmy Horn too. Coming out to have second straight week.
We're the first play out of the second half is
a big chunk play for Carolina's offense.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You love to see it. Let me squeeze in Will
really quickly before we hit a break.
Speaker 11 (31:12):
Will.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
What's going on, buddy, how are you hey?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (31:15):
No, great game Sunday, super anxiety. I do think this
is going to be one of the best or he
is already one of the best draft classes that I
think the Panthers have ever had, Like just in terms
of depth. Every single pick that they made in twenty
twenty five has made some kind of contribution already, which
is awesome, so you get super excited.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I have one question for you, and it's actually a request.
Speaker 13 (31:39):
It's some kind of investigative journalism opportunity.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I was at the game and this might be Mandela.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
Effect, but they don't if you go to.
Speaker 13 (31:47):
The bathroom during the game, you typically, like historically, be
able to listen to the game through Mick Mixon and
they would have the play by play on.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
They don't have that anymore. They don't have any sound on.
Speaker 12 (31:55):
In the bathroom. I don't know if that's some kind
of cost cutting measure.
Speaker 11 (31:57):
I don't know who can find.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Out what the answer is to this question.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
But if you walk out into the bathroom, you.
Speaker 13 (32:03):
Can't hear anything going on in the game, so you
gotta be sk that's the question.
Speaker 11 (32:06):
You hear going on, you see.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Able to listen to me mix it.
Speaker 13 (32:09):
It was kind of a fun thing that was just
dead silent in that feel there.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I appreciate you well, thank you for the phone call, man.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I know that when I called a game in there
for the keep Pounding Classic back at the start of
football season. They had us on in the concourse and
I presume the bathroom, so I'm not sure what's up
with that. I'm just not all right. We're gonna take
your phone calls throughout the show. Just hang tight, Jay, Brandon, Jonathan,
hang as long as you can. We got Steve Smith
coming up next. Real quick, we go to smoke on
the headlines.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Who is smoked? Where is smoked? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
All right, Well, it's a big couple of days for
pig slips in both the NFL and college football. First,
let's go to the NFL, where the Titans have officially
fired Brian Callahan. Remember he was kind of in the
mix but never got an interview here in Carolina because
he was hired on the same hiring cycle as Dave Canalis.
Only five wins and to get fired in October. In
the NFL, it's pretty hard to do. So that's pretty bad.
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In college football, the big one being James Franklin. James
Franklin let go forty nine million dollar buy out for him,
and that's after losing to both UCLA without the Sean
Foster and in following it up by losing to Northwestern
in Happy Valley.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Hard to believe, Kyle.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Just three weeks ago College Game Day was at Happy
Valley for the mass of at the time matchup between
Penn State and Oregon.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
We're gonna come back and talk more about that. JJ
just texted in to say, what time does Smitty come on?
Need to set my alarm? Well, no need age in
eighty nine is back. Next Sports Radio ninety two to
seven wfn Z, over.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Fifteen thousand total yards.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
He's gonna go the way.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Sixteen NFL seasons if you see this, nice not me,
last five Pro Bowls and countless memories.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
When a dog gets an X ray, they've got that
Steve Smith inside their rib gage.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Steve's Smith is on WFNZ.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Hi sub Son, He's back, Agent eighty nine. Steve Smith,
Senior NFL Network analyst Carolina Panthers legend back for his
Monday conversation. Panthers have won two straight, beating the Cowboys
at the Horn yesterday thirty to twenty seven. And how
about Rico Dawdle the last two weeks four hundred and
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seventy three yards from scrimmage, and not that it matters,
but Just to put it into perspective, Rico Daddle has
more yards from scrimmage his last two games than Saquon
Barkley has all season so far. Again, that's not a
shot at Saquon, That's just how great Rico Daddle has
been the last two weeks. And Steve Smith, who is
back with us, told us last week about Rico and
what he thought he could be in this offense, and
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he did it once again after the big Miami performance.
In Steve and no one hates hearing this, turns out
you were right last week.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
How you doing, buddy, I'm doing good, doing good.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, it was pretty amazing to watch the game and
you know, and see the excit. You can see the
movement of the offense. I believe kind of set the
tone for the defense. Uh knowing the defense can I
think maybe take some risks, add some extra people into
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the blitz package and it benefited. And then you have
some guys individually I thought on the defensive line at
times really showed up, really gave some some penetration, got
back off the spot and created set indecisive throws, some throwaways.
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So it was really good to see the team be competitive.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
They were that, and and last week again to your credit,
I asked you about Jimmy Horn Junior and Cocher coming
back and Excel getting back in the mix and all
those mouths to feed, and you said, wait a minute.
You know that's a lot, but this team needs to
run the ball first and foremost. And Rico certainly did
that again yesterday, Tuba was respected inside the building. Tubas
certainly earned a second contract. But it does feel like
there's a little bit of a difference when Rico's out there.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Why is that? What do you.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Notice Rico hits the hole in Trooba's tiptoeer right, He's
dancing around sometimes when you lack the speed. And I'm
talking about speed and game speed, I'm not talking about
everybody's in the underwear. Everybody's run fast, Okay, my fight
asking run pretty fast right now in underwear. But when
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you got on, when you got somebody draped over you,
once you got somebody hanging on you, can you hit
the hole with the same enthusiasm as if you hit
the hole when it's a toss. And Rico is running
between the tackles and the guards like a man on
a mission. And I just see that the offense. It's
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easier to stay with the run when Ricos at the helm.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
How would you he was the story yesterday, right, he
was the centerpiece of the offense. But you know, Bryce
yesterday one ninety nine three touchdowns did have the one
pick on the on the drop tipball whatever. But the
best way I can think of to describe Bryce yesterday
was efficient.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Is that how you would describe him?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, I think efficient is a great word. Now, some
people may take it as a slap in the faith, right,
and I'm not trying to do that. But my question
is do you want somebody who's efficient or inefficient?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Deficient?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Of course, okay, then then I mean you gotta you
gotta pick. If he if he's gonna word play, you
gotta pick. You gotta pick a pick your way through it.
Or sitting there trying to give a name to something
that we all know. We just want Bryce to be
efficient right now, because he's been inefficient thus far. Right,
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when you give a team a seventeen point lead, ten
point lead, you throw uh some some passes to a
wide open receiver in the dirt, like some of that
stuff you don't want to see. And he's improving each week.
He's becoming efficient. And here's a guy that I think
who's efficient. Daniel Jones is efficient. Sam Darnold is efficient. Right,
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You don't need right, touur. He's inefficient right now because
when you add so much onto the quarterback's play and
now the quarterback has to play hero and villain and
carry everything. Man, that's too much responsibility for a quarterback
and we've seen it with other guys. That's what gets
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Josh Allen the MVP, but it also gets him in trouble.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Oh yeah, I love that point because in my mind,
as you're talking about that, I'm thinking, yet, not everybody
is Josh Allen physically.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Most guys are as a matter of.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Fact, but Josh Allen at times it's been frustrating because
he does so much for the team. But yeah, if
you look up, there's a wide open wide receiver back
in the end zone watching you leap over guys, right,
And that's just being given a critical eye and using
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as an example. Now, obviously, if Bryce turns out to
be like Josh Allen, he's MVP, doesn't matter. But we're
talking about let's let's let's crawl before we should we
start handing out.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Trophies fair enough, Steve Smith hanging out with us here
for a Monday conversation. No, it wasn't perfect yesterday. It
usually isn't, you know, in a football game. But I
felt like the coaching staff really took a step forward yesterday.
I thought Dave Canalis end of half management was much better.
And I and I talked to Bryce about this too
after the game, Steve on the offensive side in particular,
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they've lost three offensive linemen already without Taylor Moten yesterday,
and they went out as a group and played really
well yesterday. What does all that say about this coaching
staff and their own progression?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Who the coach of staff gives a lot of credit,
but also too, that's how my check one coach has
blocked anybody yesterday. So yes, the coaching staff gets credited
by and A and A general manager, right, Dan Morgan
gets credit for having the depth and developing some of
the players that they have developed or drafted or picked
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up in free agency off the waiver wire, because we
know in years past you haven't always we haven't always
experienced picking a good player off the waiver wire. You
find out why a guy is on a waiver wire unfortunately,
why he's playing right, great example Jacksonville trades with with
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the Cleveland Browns and jaysn runs by newsom Mike it's his,
it's his, uh, it's his rookie season, like this dude
wasn't a pro bowler in then outstanding cornerback. So again,
sometimes you gotta be careful and not put too much
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on a player's play that can sometimes expose them.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Let's talk about the defense. This run defense statistically has
been really good to start the year. Stats don't always
tell the entire story, but they've been really good statistically.
Another good day yesterday. And last year we know Derek
Brown went down Week one, Bobby Brown and Turk Wharton
weren't here. Wharton didn't play yesterday, of course, and now
you've got them all back together, dB, Bobby Brown, Ashwan
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Robinson and those guys, I mean just making plays yesterday.
You've talked about this a lot. You know, there's only
so much coaches can do. You just made that point
a second ago, that defensive personnel they have upfront? How
good were those guys yesterday from your eye you're watching
the film, and how good can they be upfront?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
The rest of the year, who are I mean the
rest of the year.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
They're playing a lot of different types of players, right there,
a lot of different types of offenses, and I think
they obviously with Derek Brown in there, they have a chance.
But how good can they be is if really if
they can get consistency off the edge like they had yesterday.
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I think against Miami they were okay, but against against
the Cowboys and they were top tier from first quarter
to fourth corps. Right, they did not take a break.
It wasn't time where Dak had all day. So I
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think when that happens, Hannah's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
It is.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
And there's something else, speaking of the defense that I
brought up to you last week, and we only had
seen it once at that point, and that was the
switch Trevin Wallace and Christian rose Boom Wallace calling the
defense getting the green dot. Well, here we are again
this week, and those two were tied for the team
lead and tackles yesterday six apiece. You were emphasizing quite
a bit, guys, Trevin Wallace is still learning how to
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play this game, and it seems like something has clicked
with him.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Steve, what does that look like to you?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Well, his click is he's getting coached up seeing and
recognizing right. Whenever you move programs right, if you're doing computer,
whatever you're doing, whenever you leave or change programs, there's
a learning curve but beyond but if you go deeper
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into the learning curve, there are some clear indications about
yourself that you were not reading this right or you
missed the step. And I don't know how he was coached,
I believe at Kentucky, but I'm pretty sure just like
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most of the other college kids, they're not doing a
lot of coaching in college this year. I mean, in
the last couple of years, it's about nil. Can a
kid get drafted and you're the next man up. It's
not about teaching fundamentals, at least from what I've seen,
because there's a lot of players that when I go
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to these pro days, man, there's some kids who don't
even know how to work a remote control in All
twenty two or Catapult because everything is done for him,
is put on the iPad. They've never had to go
in a wide receiver's room and click stop or look
up anything because it's all provided. Those are the things
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that you know. I don't think people are aware of.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, no, you're right. Hey, Jets on Sunday, let's just
look ahead real quick. We'll get you out of here.
Jets Sunday h and six. They fought Denver yesterday over
in Europe. But I mean it was a heck of
a game early on. We had it on during the
pregame show, but the offense just wasn't there. This feels
like it's a different feeling, Steve, because now Carolina is.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
One st a trap day a little bit, a little
bit like, how do you feel about this situation?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Well, I hope justin Field shows up like he has been,
which is not very good, studying long and studying wrong, right,
you know, you know what the Jets the defense is
always gonn is always gonna show up. Here's what I'm
interested in to see. I'm interested to see who goes
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as Sauce. And the reason I say is Sauce's been
given up some yards, bro, you know they called him Sauce.
But he playing like a mob right now. So I'll
be really interested to see how they attack them. Do
they attack them with speed with Jimmy you know it's
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Jamn cocher bag or is uh is is t Mac
I'm just I'm just interested to really see how things
go me too.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Well, Hey, congrats to the five and one Utah Utes
breaking into the top twenty five this week in absolute
ass beating of Arizona State on Saturday forty two to ten.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
That was something else, I know.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
But we got the Holy Ward coming up, and that
makes me panic.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Well listen, I can't tell go ahead of.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Half of the dang coaching staff at BYU used to
be at Utah and former player yep, yep, I.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Was reading all about it this morning. I didn't know
I was reading all about it this morning.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Oh I know. Jackson Dark's dad is a Utah lom
and he went, oh, miss wow. And then Wilson's dad,
who let him go to BYU, was at he was
at Utah as well.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Well, one of these, like I've been telling you for years,
one of these days, I'm going to tag along with
you to that game because that's one of my bucket
list games in college football.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
So enjoy and the Muscius is great. I'm actually going
to the Colorado Colorado game in a couple of weeks
back in Utah. So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
All right, buddy. We appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (46:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Steve Smith. Send your Panthers legend with us. Each and
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Two Victory Mondays in a row. Whatever did we do
to deserve it? I don't care what it was. I
just appreciate it, and especially so because the Carolina Panthers
sent the Dallas Cowboys home with a loss yesterday thirty
to twenty seven. The Carolina Panthers are three and three
for the first time since twenty twenty one. Rico Dwell
went slap off for a second consecutive week, Bryce Young
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making big plays, Teoll McMillan finds the end zone not once,
but twice, his first pay dirt of his NFL career.
And the defense, my goodness, the defense looking like they
have improved dramatically. What a difference that Derek Brown can
make in the middle of a defense, to say nothing
of Ashan Robinson and Bobby Brown. And boy, we got
a lot to talk about and a whole lot of
fun to have here on a Panther Monday Victory Monday
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know how you're feeling. Obviously, we had a postgame show
where everybody was celebrating yesterday here on WFNZ. I was
walking down Morehead Street after all the postgame interviews, listening
to the phone calls, listening to the drunk and excited
Panthers fans call into WFNZ to celebrate sending the Cowboys
home with an l I was walking through the tailgate.
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Lots Cowboys fans were very, very upset and emotional yesterday
after the game, and it was it was a pleasant sight,
to say the least. So we have a ton to
talk about. Steve Smith back in forty two minutes, and
one thing I'm sure he's going to harp on big
time is what he said last week about how well
Rico Dowdell was running the football and his belief that
he could be the starter on this team moving forward.
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We'll talk to Agent eighty nine coming up in forty
two minutes, but mostly your phone calls today and your
thoughts on a massive win we do get to, by
the way, a crazy weekend in college football. More pink
slips handed out in college football this weekend, most notably
James Franklin at Penn State and what that means for them,
what it means for a litany of other schools that
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either have or are likely about to have head coaching
vacancies in the power for we have so so much
to get to and again seven oh four, five, seven
oh ninety six ten, hit us up with your thoughts,
your feelings, and whether or not you're adjusting expectations for
the Panthers after back to back wins. They've yet to
win on the road. We all know that's going to
be pointed out, but they are three to zero at
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Bank of Erica Stadium and yesterday no early turnovers, got
off to a pretty quick start offensively, even though there
was I take that back, no early turnovers necessarily because
of the quarterback. Let me rephrase that we did have
the interception that drop off the hands of Tedero McMillan
that was popped up for an interception that really did
kind of sour the mood early on, but they bounced back.
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They were resilient and man, they ran the football. Oh,
it was awesome to see. Good afternoon, Smoke, Ludwig. I
know you've been busy at work the last twenty four
hours getting a set for today's show. I will throw
in there that Smoke put the finishing touches on Loser
Radio last night around midnight, because as soon as we
cracked the mic today at three o'clock already people were
texting in two words Loser Radio that is coming your
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way at three twenty five, twenty minutes from now. Smoke
has whipped up another masterpiece of Loser Radio. Twenty minutes
from now. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Bo?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Any day you can win against the Dallas Cowboys is
a great day in my mind. And it's the first
time they've beaten them since two and eighteen, which was,
ironically enough, the first game of the David Tepper era. Kyle,
this team's now three and zero for the first time
since twenty eighteen. Yep, and you're at five hundred for
the first time since twenty twenty one when Cam Newton
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yelled I'm back.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
It's hard to believe. I mean four years.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
We have run the gamut over the last I mean
seven years technically, but definitely the last four years.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I don't know, you know, we're not.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Going to mention that word just yet, but man, it
feels like you're starting to get out of the basement
and get through the rubble of the mistakes that have
been made over the last six to seven years. And
is everything perfect still? No, absolutely not, and that's to
be expected. But man, it's nice to have not talking
about the P word, but the H word hope. It
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feels like there's actual tangible hope and we can actually
look to to hope on the field and say, yeah,
that's doing pretty good there right there.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Well, I'll use the P word.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I'll use it because playoffs always the goal every year,
and I'm a firm believer in this unless it's one
of those obvious years end of a quarterback era, firing
a coach onslaught like the kind of let's just say
extenuating circumstances that we do see across the NFL. And
unless you know you're pressing that detonate reset button in
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the whole season is going to be about breaking in
a new quarterback or transitioning. Every year, you should be
trying to compete for the postseason. I believe that. And
so what did we ask for? And I say we,
you and I here on this show. We asked for
this team to be in the mix in December. We
asked for this team to improve on the five wins
from last year, you know, win seven to nine games.
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Be in the mix, be in the hunt in December,
be on that graphic on Fox or on CBS on
a December eighth Sunday game. Hey, Carolina is in the hunt.
You know, Carolina is in the mix for an NFC
wildcard spot. That's what you want to see for an
organization that has been out in the wilderness, lost, losing, ugly,
tons of turnover, no ident, mocked nationally. All the things
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that we know to be true about Carolina over the
past couple of years, and we simply asked this year
for this team to be in the mix. Well, at
three and three, you are in the mix. Here in
the middle of October. It's not December yet. We still
have six more weeks to go, and things can change.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
And there's a level of base nervousness about this Jets
game that we'll get to given the stakes and where
each team is. And again we'll come to that a
little bit later in the show. But you ask for
this team to be in the mix. That's what I
wanted be in the mix. Show Improvement, improve on five wins. Well,
you know, through six weeks, with eleven games to go,
they've already won three games after winning five last year.
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You got to like that and not to be repetitive.
And I know we say this sort of thing quite
often and have the last week or two, but you'd
take three and three. If somebody had offered you three
and three through six games with this football team before
the season began, I think the vast majority of people
would take it, would have taken it without any hesitation
as a matter of fact.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
And so that's where you are. You're three and three,
and I know some of the.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The detractors or the skeptics who are still out there
today will remind you that Miami's in a bad place,
that Miami's defense is not great, the Dallas has a
bad defense, and those things are true.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It's undeniable.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I will not try to put lipstick on a pig
and make you believe that this Panthers offense put up
twenty seven points and looked really confident, had a ton
of success against a bad Cowboys defense, and that suddenly
means their world beaters. But it's the NFL. Winning is hard,
and it's also about building confidence.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Last year when the Panthers beat the Giants and the Saints,
not many people thought that those were really good teams,
but it did build confidence. And football is all about
confidence at the quarterback position, the running back position, playing
as a unit, not just confident in your own abilities,
but confident in the play calling, confident in the offensive system.
Confidence that the guy next to you is going to
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do his job. And the last two weeks have done
a ton, obviously, and that was evident for those of
us in the Panthers' locker room yesterday after the game,
to build a boat low of confidence, So you know,
that's it, Like this team is more confident than we've
seen them in a very long time.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It started with Rico dowdele and his determination to show
up his old team and to prove to them what
they missed out on or what they let walk away
in free agency. He told them after the Dolphins win
last Sunday to buckle up, and then from that point
forward there was not really any more trash talk, no
real bulletin board material. Everybody kind of did the right thing,
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but Rico came out and delivered on exactly the message
that he was sending last Sunday. This guy has strung
together an historic back to back game performance and yesterday
just ridiculous. One hundred and eighty three yards rushing on
thirty carries, fifty six yards receiving, had that long receiving
touchdown to start the second half, and was the heart
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and soul of that team because he carried the banner
for them.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yesterday. Bryce was great.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I thought yesterday played one of his most efficient games
as a Carolina Panther. Pushed the ball down the field
the things that are critical to offensive success, and if
you watch the game broadcast, you heard Greg Olsen really
preaching that and what it meant for them to push
the ball downfield and be a balanced offense and so on,
and it's all true. But it started with Rico Daddle
yesterday and a running attack that just got whatever they
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wanted against the Cowboys from the start of that game
throughout pretty much all of it. And he set the tone.
He made his teammates believe. Bryce stepped up, McMillan stepped
up certainly after the early mistake. Jimmy Horn Junior continued
to perform yesterday. You love to see that Xavier League
get got into the mix. Hunter Renfro with a one
and only but critical fourth down grab yesterday late in
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that game. Mitchell Evans is getting more and more involved
the rookie tight end out of Notre Dame. And with
some of these absences yesterday, no Chuba, no j T Sanders,
no Taylor Moten, three offensive starters down, guys stepped up
and they beat America's team on what was basically a
national stage yesterday. If you were in a market that
didn't have a home game on Fox, you got and
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Panthers yesterday from Bank of America Stadium, and those guys
got to show the nation yesterday what this roster can
do and what they're all about. And it was just
a great day to be a Panther fan, to be
in that stadium, the atmosphere, even with you know, yes,
an infiltration of Cowboys fans inside the Bank Panthers fans
were loud, they were rowdy, They made an impact, and
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the walk back down the street yesterday was great. You
how many times I've walked out of that stadium and
even staying for postgame press conferences, many of which have
been somber and sad, you know, and walk down the street,
you know, down Wes moorehead back to our station to
get in the truck and go home, and the streets
are largely cleared, like within an hour after the game.
I walked down Morehead yesterday, smoke, like an hour after kickoff,
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and it was still bumper to bumper traffic getting out
of Bank of America Stadium. The tailgate lots were partying,
the music was blaring. It just it felt like I
wasn't here for twenty fifteen on a week to week basis,
but I was here for the aftermath of it, you know,
the next couple of years of Cam and that group together,
when there was still an energy, when there was a
little bit leafed that that group had one more run
in them, and the vibes in the city and the
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excitement you could feel it before and after games, and
yesterday felt like that. It was just amazing to see
Charlotte lit up the way that it was yesterday all
day long.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I gotta say this, the most energy just from the
callers that called into the post game show, the most
energy and the most complaints we've had about traffic since
twenty eighteen. It's been that long, yeah, And that was when,
you know, still the Cam Newton era, so it's been
a while since we've had something like that. And I
also got to say, you're talking about guys that stepped up.
You know, I kind of poop pooed on this guy
and was not had no confidence in him. I didn't
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hear Joshnizeman's name at all yesterday, so I want to
give a hat tip to him.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
He did a great job proving me wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Make me eat cro I'll gladly eat Crow after that
performance yesterday because he was persona on Grada in the
best possible way, since I didn't have to hear his
name be called by Greg Olsen or Adam Amean really
at all, So I wanted to give him some shout
out too.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And now the thing is, yeah, you got the.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Game against the Jets, which is a classic trap game.
In my opinion, I'm nervous about it, sure, just because
because everything feels like it should be going Carolina's way
in that game. But I also do believe that this
is the toughest defense they'll play in the last three games.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yesterday.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely that. And you know, MetLife has me
nervous with that turf. We complained about the turf here,
but the turf at MetLife is notoriously bad. Plus, this
week is the thirty year anniversary of Carolina's first win,
which was against the Jets with that current logo. And
by the way, what was the Carolina's record heading into
that game in nineteen ninety five? Oh w and six?
What's the Jets current record right now? Oh w and six.
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I just don't want to be that one take care business.
But it kind of makes you hit the nail the
head when you talked about that back to back wins
against the Giants and the Saints last year, Yeah, it
wasn't against the greatest teams. Both of them bad, heck,
both of them. Let go of somebody. They let go
of Dennis Allen and basically, uh yeah, they actually let
go of Daniel Jones immediately following that game. But I
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look at that saying, hey, that gives you a belief
of what you're doing is right. And now you got
after the Jets game, specifically, you got a tough stretch upcoming.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
This is these next three to four.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Weeks will tell us what this Carolina team looks like
for the rest of the year and what they could
be looking like heading into the twenty twenty six offseason.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
If you believe you can win, you've got a much
better chance to win, right. I know that sounds like
a captain obvious statement, But if you believe you can win,
you're more likely to win. If you don't believe you
can win, you're probably not going to win. If you
believe you can execute, you're more likely to execute. That's
what we're talking about, that confidence that the teams feed
off of. And at one in three almost nobody was
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confident in this football team. And I'm sure there was
a greater deal of confidence inside the building than there
was outside of it. There's no question about that. But
still it starts to seep in oh, here we go again.
We're one in three, blown out by the Patriots, who
aren't supposed to be a very good team. As it
turns out there better than we thought. But still, you know,
that can start to really cascade, right, an avalanche on you.
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But now they've won back to back games, and yes,
the big test now is to go win on the road.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
But you've won back to back games.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You did so by overcoming a seventeen point deficit to
beat Miami, which showed a great deal of resilience and
overcoming adversity and mental toughness and all that. And then
yesterday when everybody questioned whether or not you could win
a shootout with Dallas, and granted that wasn't a thirty
eight to thirty five type of shootout, but it was still,
you know, fifty seven combined points blew the over by
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the way that line had been creeping down prior to kickoff,
the line dropped from forty nine and a half to
forty seven and a half before kickoff. Yesterday, I won
it earlier. You could have wanted it. I just I
didn't understand why it was coming down. But yesterday it
just never felt like even with some of the mistakes,
and even with Dallas's big plays George Pickens running wild,
It's still never felt like like Carolina was out of
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the game. And so, yes, Dallas bad defense. They've been
a part of a whole lot of lead changes as
a result of it. But Carolina had the confidence to
come back and make plays and it was awesome to watch.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
And I'll go ahead and say this two.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
For as much as you know, the defense is still
not completely fixed, specifically on the passing end, and I
think matchup wise, Mike Jackson specifically will have matchup struggles
if he goes against guys like George Pickens specific Look,
we can say all we want to about the defense,
but what did he do in that final drive shut
Dallas down?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, screen game got blown up.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Then the next play Dak couldn't see anyone who was
getting pressured and then had to check it down and
didn't play after that was just a checkdown. And even
though this team is I think going to struggle for
the rest of the year to get sacks on a
consistent basis, Yeah, I got to point something out on
all those third down plays where Dak got pressured, who
is the guy doing it for the most part.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Patrick Jones. Yeah, yeah, Patrick Jones.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
He may not get into sacks, but man, he's made
a lot of key plays that don't show up on
the stat sheet. I don't know if he's a true
starting as rusher on a true championship contender, but he
just showed why he got paid and why he had
a career year to previous year with the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
So I got to give Patrick Jones his flowers for
his performance yesterday too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And the guys in the middle, it was just I
love and it was so obvious last year what they
were missing in the middle, Bobby Brown and Turk Wharton
who didn't play again yesterday. They weren't a part of
last year's team. But Derek Brown got hurt, and so
in the middle, you know, there's there's a reason why
this team was so bad against the run last year,
historically bad as a matter of fact. Now you got
Derek Brown, Ashawn Robinson, Bobby Brown coming off as part
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of that second wave. I mean, he got in there
and made some massive place I think at least two
maybe three TFLs in the third quarter alone, had that
massive stop on third down and one which was incredible
and if you can keep those guys healthy and get
Turk Wharton back out there, I mean it's just night
and day difference. Because the Cowboys stood no chance to
run the football yesterday with Javonte Williams, who had had
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a good year up until this point.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yeah, that's a crazy thing. It's not like, you know,
we're talking about this well, you know, maybe it's a fluke. No,
the guys that they shut down the last two weeks,
Davon a Chan who's one of the only bride spots
on the Miami Dolphins right now. It's basically him and
Waddle and Darren Waller that you can look to and
be happy about if you're a Dolphins fan.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Completely shut down.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And Javontay Williams, who's been having a career resurgent year,
he's back onto the map. You know this, I said,
this is a big game for him because it's a homecoming.
You know, he's Garner's not that not that close here,
but it's closer than any other team, so he's probably
had a lot of family here. He was Mia pretty
much in the whole entire game. Didn't do anything, and
that's a testament to this run defense. We can still
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have complaints and concerns about the defense as a whole,
but the run defense, man, I'm I'm completely sold that
this run defense is going to shut down most any
running back because you shut down two really good running
backs over the last two weeks. And I'll go ahead
and say this too, I'm starting to believe Ashan Robinson
might be one of the most ten to fifteen most
underrated players in the entire NFL because he was one
of the bright spots that was just trying to keep
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the run defense together last year. He just couldn't do
it all by himself. And now look what he's doing
next to Derek Brown. He could be this generation Starlettulula.
It's a lot of fun to watch. Hit us up
seven oh four five seven ninety six ten. We got
Smitty back in twenty six minutes, So when we come back,
we'll take your phone calls.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
We'll take him throughout the show. But now's a good
time to get in seven oh four, five, seven oh
ninety six ten. Your thoughts on back to back wins,
what you think it means for this team now with
three and three moving forward with an zero to six
Jets team, awaiting on Sunday, and what so many of
you have been waiting for. We've gotten to do this
far more to that this year already than we have
in previous seasons. The Panthers won, they sent the Cowboys
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packing the Dallas Cowboys edition of Loser Radio when we
returned Sports Radio ninety two to seven WFNZ.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Oh for sure, Yeah, definitely special. Just being back home
in front of a lot of family and friends, and
had to color a lot of people at the game today,
and like I said, I'm on the home team, So
definitely special getting to do it here.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Ink noo.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Calma Rico Daddle another monster performance yesterday at the Bank,
just running all over his former team, the Gafney, South Carolina.
Native graduate of ac Reynolds High School up in Ashville,
North Carolina, and a man who played for the game
Cocks as well. He's Carolina born and bred, and he
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got to do what he did yesterday at the Bank
in front of the home crowd against his old team,
the Dallas Cowboys and real quick. In the postgame, Rico
was asked, was it personal today against Dallas?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Honey?
Speaker 6 (19:02):
This is a lot that went on in those five
years while I was there, But yeah, I definitely said
it was a little person. I just wanted to get
to win and have a great performance from my enn
and like I said, those guys allowed me to do it.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He was able to get the job done.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Again.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
He was very humble.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I did have some jokes so they wasn't buckled up
and talking about Dallas after the game yesterday, but really
humble in the postgame press conference, and real quick, before
we get to the thing that everybody's in this segment
for right now, and that's Loser Radio, a couple of
Texters already bringing up the Excel attempted pitch and lateral
at the end of the first half. I know it
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gave everybody a heart attack, one guy saying that he
thought it was insanely stupid and he's out on Rico.
I'm sorry he's still out on Excel as a result
of it.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
It was funny.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
We were sitting in the press box watching it happen, myself,
Colin Hoggard Mack and Willie p yesterday and one or
two people in the moment said, I wonder if Rico
actually called for that, And we sit with Al Wallace
up there too. By the way, shout out Al Wallace
for more Panthers defensive end. He's going to join on
the show tomorrow. Looking forward to having him back, but
no one really knew. Some people thought maybe some people
thought no. I asked Dave Canalis at the end or
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about the end of the first half and the way
they managed it. Dave's taken a lot of crap for
the way that he's managed end of half situations and
even some end of game situations as it relates to
clock management and things like that. I thought he managed
the end of the first half really well yesterday, down
seventeen to ten, wanting to ensure they got some points,
knowing they were getting the football back to start the
second half, and that pitch, that lateral attempt was nearly disastrous,
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There's no question about that. But as I'm asking Dave
about that, he volun tears to me that Rico came
to the sideline and admitted to him that he called
for the pitch from Excel, that he was calling for
Excel to pitch him the football and that's why Excel
did it. Now you can do what parents do sometimes
and ask your kids that if their friends asked them
to jump off a bridge would they do it, And
that's fine, that's fair, But it was in fact the
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case that Rico called for it, And just to be sure,
I asked Rico about that yesterday in the post game.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Yeah I did, was telling him that's on me. I
told the coaches the same thing. It was like, no
mat stuff up, things like that. But yeah, when he
caught it, I was like, pitch and pitch and pitcher
and he actually pitched it, so yeah, yeah, I was
just once he pitched and I seen it going there,
and I'm like, yeah, but we had never practiced nothing
like that before.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
But yeah, it was great to.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Play, just trying to make plays out there. Like you
you see those opportunities every once in a while when
you see a guy getting tackled and you see some
space out. So I'm just like, pitch and pitch and
pitch it. And I thought maybe if I would have
got it on a clean pitch something, I could gain
some more yards.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But yeah, yeah, that's one of those things that you
laugh about after the fact. If you win the game
and it doesn't cost you. If you lose the game
and it costs you, it's not so funny. But because
it didn't cost them ultimately and they won the game.
You can laugh about it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, it kind of goes like the classic a moment
from Major League where really made Hayes decides to hot
dog and grandstand for a catch. Then he comes to
dug out. Lou Brown says, great catch, Well he never
bleep and do it again. Yeah. It was one of
those things where outside of the great catches like never
do that again.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Please, for the love of God, don't do that again.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Luckily for Excel, that's still not the worst lateral move
in Panthers history.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
That still, unfortunately belongs to Chris Gamble, which.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
We got for those that don't know. Smoke was immediately
texting me and Mac in the press box yesterday to
remind us of that, and then he dug up the
footage of it and put it on Twitter. Yes, beautiful
grainy two forty footage from two thousand and six. Yes,
which also led to a Ryan Longwell touchdown. Get the
Kickers scored a touchdown to tide a game up and
they lost that game.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah, but yeah, so man, oh man, cheez, that had
that had my nerves to up.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh the whole yeah, the whole press box was like mumbling,
what are you doing? What do you what are you doing?
It turns out we found out after the fact. Also
real quick Dominate says, let's not overlook the smart play
of TREVORYTN going down instead of scoring a touchdown on
the final run of the game. Absolutely, he gets credit
for that. But you know who else gets credit for
that is Bryce Young because apparently after the game, we
(22:54):
found out that Bryce in the huddle was reiterating to
ETN if they let you through, go down, go down.
Here's Bryce after the game.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Yeah, yeah, you know again, we want to leave no doubt.
We want to make sure that you know we were
in uh, you know, your first down, get down. Make
sure that you know we don't want to give them
time back, you know, and we talk about that here.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You know, we we have uh.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Situational presentations about that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You know, we're prepared.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
The coaching staff does a great job of you know,
giving us situations like this to do it. So it
was just just communicating that and it's a great job
from from from Trevor. You know, young guy could could
easily you know, go rogue and.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Say I was my shot.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
But team first guys, so you know it was.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It was big both ends of half yesterday. We're managed well.
It's great to get a win. Everything feels better when
you win. Everything looks better when you win. But you know,
the end of half management yesterday, both first half and
second half from Dave Canalis and that offense, we're much
better than we've seen so far. And that's a testament
to them and the things that they work on, and
I think the things that Dave Canalis is preaching. Smashburger
(23:51):
asks KB, what are your thoughts on what happens when
CHEWBA comes back. Well, I'm gonna come back to that
in just a minute, and phone lines open if you
want to get in step seven ninety six ten. It
is a conversation. It's a good problem, but it's a conversation.
We're going to have it. So if you want to
give us a call, seven oh four five, seven oh
ninety six ten, now's a good time to get in.
But first, as we do when the Panthers win, we
(24:14):
take great delight in the misery of the losing opponent.
We call it loser. Radio Smoke put the finishing touches
on it last night at about midnight and I've heard
it already once.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I think you're going to enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
The Dallas Cowboys edition of Loser Radio.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
I was wrong about my Dallas Cowboys. They're obviously not
better than everybody thinks. They're way, way, way worse than
everybody thinks.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Even me.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Boy, this really changes the way that you're looking at
this football team.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
After a disappointing road defeat, now Dallas really got what
they deserved.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
This defense is is really historically bad.
Speaker 10 (24:59):
Yeah, we get so making a run and trying to
get in the playoffs, they're gonna have.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
To go and lit evil flew slow. It's no way
you could keep it, man. His defense is horrible. They
could not stop nothing. It's like being open on Harry
Hinde in Dallas. Tictions man, everything was open.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
Man, Well, I ain't done all right, Taylors. That was peniful.
That was some of the worst things. Those defensive players
they need to take the stars off their helmet and
put on a picture of a cow paddy, because that's
what they were today.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
There's a lot of individual talent on that defense, but
I watched it quit on Matt eber Fraud, the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Let me tell you that offense, they got the ball
in the road forty six and did nothing with it.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
That's a failure right there.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You're you're ten yards, yeah, you're ten yards away from
getting your in the field goal range when they actually
do get a stop.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
What do you do? You don't play complementary football? No,
you pee down your leg.
Speaker 11 (25:54):
Listen to you a straight back right now while he's
playing the mask he's ever played yet one or two
first round takes four paired with the other two extra
first round picks you had, and rebuild this defense. Bringing
Matt Jones with a great coordinator, you have a Super
Bowl two years guaranteed. I've watched it for fifty years.
Speaker 10 (26:10):
We ned co head coaches at this point, the one
to run the defense because Shotty's not doing a bad
job at offense, and Cherry's got the funds to help
you and see facilitate the buyout and every bring Bell
over here to run this defense, you know, I mean,
then he opens the doors to Hey, you now got
your hands on Bill Belichick and what he's got to offer,
(26:30):
and he's here. If you decide that shot he's not
working and you want to make him your head coach.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
They made it clear Rico Daddle was gonna be the
bell cout today.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Okay. And oh, by the way, that's a guy you
know like you. He was in your system. He got
a thousand yards last year.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Footballs was here five years. Theoretically, the Cowboys should know
Rico Daddle better than the Carolina Panthers do exactly, and
he's still put up two fifty on you today.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
He reaped revenge and havoc on my Dallas cowboy by
carrying the ball thirty times for one hundred and eighty
three yards.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
And one buckled up.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Well, I'm doing real good fellers.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Get mc jones in here, trade Dak Prescott wile he's
at his highest value. Get mac jones in here, rebuild
that defense. You'll have a Super Bowl in two years.
I've been watching it for fifty years, I tell you God.
I love Cowboys fans. Oh they're the best. Also the worst.
That is loser radio round of applause for one smoke, Ludwig.
I mean, I bet, honestly, that's a labor of love
for you to get to listen to Cowboys fans melt
(27:31):
down that way and then turn it into a montage. There,
I say montage of misery, which I hear is coming
tomorrow on the Back and Bone show.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well done, Smoke. That was very well done, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
They had a postgame show and a post postgame show.
I kid you not.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
You want to know how much.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
They love Dallas Cowboys football or hate Dallas Cowboys football.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
That's how much.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Stay on one two five point three to fan down
in Dallas, which by the way, was actually really good.
Listen because he first host on the postgame show, we're
a lot more reasonable. The second host world real about you, Rico,
We're a little bit less reasonable and just a little
bit more fans, but a lot of fun. I mean,
there's a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor.
It was tough to narrow it down. That guy that said,
I'll tell you what failers.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
He was complaining about. He was complaining.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
About the fact that he knew that re Hunter Renfro
at Renfro failure. So I do real good failers taking
them stars off for how much put cow patties on?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And that's how they're playing seven O four five seven
ninety six to ten. Hit us up on the fan
duel text line, let's squeez hit a phone call. Matt
from Greensboro gets the first one on a Panthers victory Monday.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
What's up, Matt? How are you.
Speaker 10 (28:40):
Cowboys fans of delusion?
Speaker 12 (28:42):
Bill Belichick's going to be their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You think it's what they think, or at least that
guy does.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
Oh gotta love it.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Man, I can't.
Speaker 12 (28:52):
I don't beating any more anything more than Cowboys. It's
just great and great to see their fans.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Lose their minds.
Speaker 12 (29:00):
I just I love the way they closed this game out.
Do you think uh uh Dak Prescott thought when they
funded the ball back six minutes left, he wouldn't get back.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
On the field, no shot six minutes.
Speaker 12 (29:13):
I mean that that well, that was Cuinny. That's every
coach's dream to get the ball and the game win
his situation to run the clock out for six minutes
the field, That's incredible, And that's that's the culture. That's
the feeling I have out of the Seed. It's not
oh crap, what are they going to do to lose it?
It's They're gonna go down there and win this game.
(29:34):
That's how I feel. And Bryce, I mean, you need
him to make a critical fourfound pass. He's gonna do it.
I don't know how, he just does it. He comes
up with these big plays every game, though, and that's
all we need.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
H Thank you, buddy, Appreciate the phone call. The best
thing that you can say about a quarterback for the
most part is that he was efficient. And Bryce Young
was incredibly efficient yesterday. There weren't as many like big
time throws as there were last week against Miami. Like
big time throws, I'm talking about pushing it down the field,
tight coverage, those sorts of things. But he pushed the
(30:06):
ball down the field. He made good decisions. They leaned
on the running game, and you'll I'll win like that
all day long, Like you'll take wins like that every
single day of the week. But he threw for a
buck ninety nine, three touchdowns and a pick, and he
should have had a clean slate, a clean sheet. It
should not have been on him. Tedoro McMillan dropped that
ball led to him an interception. You can forgive him
in a win, but it robbed Bryce of a clean sheet.
(30:28):
It would would have been not that far off from
a perfect passer rating yesterday if it weren't for that.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
I mean, the trailing he was ten for ten from
the fields. I mean that just showed you right there.
Plus you said, you know, he didn't push the ball
down the field that much, but when he did, they
resulted in big time plays for Carolina's offense. I think
of the the Froda Mitchell Evans by the way, the
way he stepped up into pocket and Yosh Nigelman was
able to get that last defender. For him to just
cleanly deliver it to him was massive, And then you
(30:55):
had to Froe Dierico daddle him able to improvise out
of the pocket, have enough room. It was just another
big win. So he didn't throw deep balls that much.
And Jimmy Horn too. Coming out to have second straight week.
We're the first play out of the second half is
a big chunk play for Carolina's offense.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You love to see it. Let me squeeze in Will
really quickly before we hit a break.
Speaker 11 (31:12):
Will.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
What's going on, buddy, how are you hey?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (31:15):
No, great game Sunday, super anxiety. I do think this
is going to be one of the best or he
is already one of the best draft classes that I
think the Panthers have ever had, Like just in terms
of depth. Every single pick that they made in twenty
twenty five has made some kind of contribution already, which
is awesome, so you get super excited.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I have one question for you, and it's actually a request.
Speaker 13 (31:39):
It's some kind of investigative journalism opportunity.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I was at the game and this might be Mandela.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
Effect, but they don't if you go to.
Speaker 13 (31:47):
The bathroom during the game, you typically, like historically, be
able to listen to the game through Mick Mixon and
they would have the play by play on.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
They don't have that anymore. They don't have any sound on.
Speaker 12 (31:55):
In the bathroom. I don't know if that's some kind
of cost cutting measure.
Speaker 11 (31:57):
I don't know who can find.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Out what the answer is to this question.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
But if you walk out into the bathroom, you.
Speaker 13 (32:03):
Can't hear anything going on in the game, so you
gotta be sk that's the question.
Speaker 11 (32:06):
You hear going on, you see.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Able to listen to me mix it.
Speaker 13 (32:09):
It was kind of a fun thing that was just
dead silent in that feel there.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I appreciate you well, thank you for the phone call, man.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I know that when I called a game in there
for the keep Pounding Classic back at the start of
football season. They had us on in the concourse and
I presume the bathroom, so I'm not sure what's up
with that. I'm just not all right. We're gonna take
your phone calls throughout the show. Just hang tight, Jay, Brandon, Jonathan,
hang as long as you can. We got Steve Smith
coming up next. Real quick, we go to smoke on
the headlines.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Who is smoked? Where is smoked? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
All right, Well, it's a big couple of days for
pig slips in both the NFL and college football. First,
let's go to the NFL, where the Titans have officially
fired Brian Callahan. Remember he was kind of in the
mix but never got an interview here in Carolina because
he was hired on the same hiring cycle as Dave Canalis.
Only five wins and to get fired in October. In
the NFL, it's pretty hard to do. So that's pretty bad.
(33:05):
In college football, the big one being James Franklin. James
Franklin let go forty nine million dollar buy out for him,
and that's after losing to both UCLA without the Sean
Foster and in following it up by losing to Northwestern
in Happy Valley.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Hard to believe, Kyle.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Just three weeks ago College Game Day was at Happy
Valley for the mass of at the time matchup between
Penn State and Oregon.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
We're gonna come back and talk more about that. JJ
just texted in to say, what time does Smitty come on?
Need to set my alarm? Well, no need age in
eighty nine is back. Next Sports Radio ninety two to
seven wfn Z, over.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Fifteen thousand total yards.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
He's gonna go the way.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Sixteen NFL seasons if you see this, nice not me,
last five Pro Bowls and countless memories.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
When a dog gets an X ray, they've got that
Steve Smith inside their rib gage.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Steve's Smith is on WFNZ.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Hi sub Son, He's back, Agent eighty nine. Steve Smith,
Senior NFL Network analyst Carolina Panthers legend back for his
Monday conversation. Panthers have won two straight, beating the Cowboys
at the Horn yesterday thirty to twenty seven. And how
about Rico Dawdle the last two weeks four hundred and
(34:23):
seventy three yards from scrimmage, and not that it matters,
but Just to put it into perspective, Rico Daddle has
more yards from scrimmage his last two games than Saquon
Barkley has all season so far. Again, that's not a
shot at Saquon, That's just how great Rico Daddle has
been the last two weeks. And Steve Smith, who is
back with us, told us last week about Rico and
what he thought he could be in this offense, and
(34:44):
he did it once again after the big Miami performance.
In Steve and no one hates hearing this, turns out
you were right last week.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
How you doing, buddy, I'm doing good, doing good.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, it was pretty amazing to watch the game and
you know, and see the excit. You can see the
movement of the offense. I believe kind of set the
tone for the defense. Uh knowing the defense can I
think maybe take some risks, add some extra people into
(35:17):
the blitz package and it benefited. And then you have
some guys individually I thought on the defensive line at
times really showed up, really gave some some penetration, got
back off the spot and created set indecisive throws, some throwaways.
(35:37):
So it was really good to see the team be competitive.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
They were that, and and last week again to your credit,
I asked you about Jimmy Horn Junior and Cocher coming
back and Excel getting back in the mix and all
those mouths to feed, and you said, wait a minute.
You know that's a lot, but this team needs to
run the ball first and foremost. And Rico certainly did
that again yesterday, Tuba was respected inside the building. Tubas
certainly earned a second contract. But it does feel like
there's a little bit of a difference when Rico's out there.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Why is that? What do you.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Notice Rico hits the hole in Trooba's tiptoeer right, He's
dancing around sometimes when you lack the speed. And I'm
talking about speed and game speed, I'm not talking about
everybody's in the underwear. Everybody's run fast, Okay, my fight
asking run pretty fast right now in underwear. But when
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you got on, when you got somebody draped over you,
once you got somebody hanging on you, can you hit
the hole with the same enthusiasm as if you hit
the hole when it's a toss. And Rico is running
between the tackles and the guards like a man on
a mission. And I just see that the offense. It's
(36:54):
easier to stay with the run when Ricos at the helm.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
How would you he was the story yesterday, right, he
was the centerpiece of the offense. But you know, Bryce
yesterday one ninety nine three touchdowns did have the one
pick on the on the drop tipball whatever. But the
best way I can think of to describe Bryce yesterday
was efficient.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Is that how you would describe him?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, I think efficient is a great word. Now, some
people may take it as a slap in the faith, right,
and I'm not trying to do that. But my question
is do you want somebody who's efficient or inefficient?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Deficient?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Of course, okay, then then I mean you gotta you
gotta pick. If he if he's gonna word play, you
gotta pick. You gotta pick a pick your way through it.
Or sitting there trying to give a name to something
that we all know. We just want Bryce to be
efficient right now, because he's been inefficient thus far. Right,
(37:51):
when you give a team a seventeen point lead, ten
point lead, you throw uh some some passes to a
wide open receiver in the dirt, like some of that
stuff you don't want to see. And he's improving each week.
He's becoming efficient. And here's a guy that I think
who's efficient. Daniel Jones is efficient. Sam Darnold is efficient. Right,
(38:16):
You don't need right, touur. He's inefficient right now because
when you add so much onto the quarterback's play and
now the quarterback has to play hero and villain and
carry everything. Man, that's too much responsibility for a quarterback
and we've seen it with other guys. That's what gets
(38:39):
Josh Allen the MVP, but it also gets him in trouble.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Oh yeah, I love that point because in my mind,
as you're talking about that, I'm thinking, yet, not everybody
is Josh Allen physically.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Most guys are as a matter of.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Fact, but Josh Allen at times it's been frustrating because
he does so much for the team. But yeah, if
you look up, there's a wide open wide receiver back
in the end zone watching you leap over guys, right,
And that's just being given a critical eye and using
(39:11):
as an example. Now, obviously, if Bryce turns out to
be like Josh Allen, he's MVP, doesn't matter. But we're
talking about let's let's let's crawl before we should we
start handing out.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Trophies fair enough, Steve Smith hanging out with us here
for a Monday conversation. No, it wasn't perfect yesterday. It
usually isn't, you know, in a football game. But I
felt like the coaching staff really took a step forward yesterday.
I thought Dave Canalis end of half management was much better.
And I and I talked to Bryce about this too
after the game, Steve on the offensive side in particular,
(39:42):
they've lost three offensive linemen already without Taylor Moten yesterday,
and they went out as a group and played really
well yesterday. What does all that say about this coaching
staff and their own progression?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Who the coach of staff gives a lot of credit,
but also too, that's how my check one coach has
blocked anybody yesterday. So yes, the coaching staff gets credited
by and A and A general manager, right, Dan Morgan
gets credit for having the depth and developing some of
the players that they have developed or drafted or picked
(40:17):
up in free agency off the waiver wire, because we
know in years past you haven't always we haven't always
experienced picking a good player off the waiver wire. You
find out why a guy is on a waiver wire unfortunately,
why he's playing right, great example Jacksonville trades with with
(40:39):
the Cleveland Browns and jaysn runs by newsom Mike it's his,
it's his, uh, it's his rookie season, like this dude
wasn't a pro bowler in then outstanding cornerback. So again,
sometimes you gotta be careful and not put too much
(41:00):
on a player's play that can sometimes expose them.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Let's talk about the defense. This run defense statistically has
been really good to start the year. Stats don't always
tell the entire story, but they've been really good statistically.
Another good day yesterday. And last year we know Derek
Brown went down Week one, Bobby Brown and Turk Wharton
weren't here. Wharton didn't play yesterday, of course, and now
you've got them all back together, dB, Bobby Brown, Ashwan
(41:25):
Robinson and those guys, I mean just making plays yesterday.
You've talked about this a lot. You know, there's only
so much coaches can do. You just made that point
a second ago, that defensive personnel they have upfront? How
good were those guys yesterday from your eye you're watching
the film, and how good can they be upfront?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
The rest of the year, who are I mean the
rest of the year.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
They're playing a lot of different types of players, right there,
a lot of different types of offenses, and I think
they obviously with Derek Brown in there, they have a chance.
But how good can they be is if really if
they can get consistency off the edge like they had yesterday.
(42:05):
I think against Miami they were okay, but against against
the Cowboys and they were top tier from first quarter
to fourth corps. Right, they did not take a break.
It wasn't time where Dak had all day. So I
(42:26):
think when that happens, Hannah's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
It is.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
And there's something else, speaking of the defense that I
brought up to you last week, and we only had
seen it once at that point, and that was the
switch Trevin Wallace and Christian rose Boom Wallace calling the
defense getting the green dot. Well, here we are again
this week, and those two were tied for the team
lead and tackles yesterday six apiece. You were emphasizing quite
a bit, guys, Trevin Wallace is still learning how to
(42:49):
play this game, and it seems like something has clicked
with him.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Steve, what does that look like to you?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Well, his click is he's getting coached up seeing and
recognizing right. Whenever you move programs right, if you're doing computer,
whatever you're doing, whenever you leave or change programs, there's
a learning curve but beyond but if you go deeper
(43:18):
into the learning curve, there are some clear indications about
yourself that you were not reading this right or you
missed the step. And I don't know how he was coached,
I believe at Kentucky, but I'm pretty sure just like
(43:40):
most of the other college kids, they're not doing a
lot of coaching in college this year. I mean, in
the last couple of years, it's about nil. Can a
kid get drafted and you're the next man up. It's
not about teaching fundamentals, at least from what I've seen,
because there's a lot of players that when I go
(44:01):
to these pro days, man, there's some kids who don't
even know how to work a remote control in All
twenty two or Catapult because everything is done for him,
is put on the iPad. They've never had to go
in a wide receiver's room and click stop or look
up anything because it's all provided. Those are the things
(44:25):
that you know. I don't think people are aware of.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, no, you're right. Hey, Jets on Sunday, let's just
look ahead real quick. We'll get you out of here.
Jets Sunday h and six. They fought Denver yesterday over
in Europe. But I mean it was a heck of
a game early on. We had it on during the
pregame show, but the offense just wasn't there. This feels
like it's a different feeling, Steve, because now Carolina is.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
One st a trap day a little bit, a little
bit like, how do you feel about this situation?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Well, I hope justin Field shows up like he has been,
which is not very good, studying long and studying wrong, right,
you know, you know what the Jets the defense is
always gonn is always gonna show up. Here's what I'm
interested in to see. I'm interested to see who goes
(45:13):
as Sauce. And the reason I say is Sauce's been
given up some yards, bro, you know they called him Sauce.
But he playing like a mob right now. So I'll
be really interested to see how they attack them. Do
they attack them with speed with Jimmy you know it's
(45:34):
Jamn cocher bag or is uh is is t Mac
I'm just I'm just interested to really see how things
go me too.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Well, Hey, congrats to the five and one Utah Utes
breaking into the top twenty five this week in absolute
ass beating of Arizona State on Saturday forty two to ten.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
That was something else, I know.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
But we got the Holy Ward coming up, and that
makes me panic.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Well listen, I can't tell go ahead of.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Half of the dang coaching staff at BYU used to
be at Utah and former player yep, yep, I.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Was reading all about it this morning. I didn't know
I was reading all about it this morning.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Oh I know. Jackson Dark's dad is a Utah lom
and he went, oh, miss wow. And then Wilson's dad,
who let him go to BYU, was at he was
at Utah as well.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Well, one of these, like I've been telling you for years,
one of these days, I'm going to tag along with
you to that game because that's one of my bucket
list games in college football.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
So enjoy and the Muscius is great. I'm actually going
to the Colorado Colorado game in a couple of weeks
back in Utah. So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
All right, buddy. We appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (46:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Steve Smith. Send your Panthers legend with us. Each and
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