December 3, 2025 • 44 mins
In the show's opening hour, Kyle reacts to Duke's thrilling win over Florida, North Carolina's tough road win over Kentucky, and the ACC getting off to a hot start in the ACC/SEC challenge, especially after last year's performance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good afternoon, Queen City.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We got a bunch to talk about here on a Wednesday,
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Charles Lee, head coach of the Hornets, coming up in
forty three minutes as they get set to battle the
New York Knickerbockers tonight at Madison Square Garden. Tip off
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at seven thirty pregame at six thirty with Me and
T Bone. You will hear from Charles Lee coming up
in forty three minutes. The Knicks waxed them last week,
one twenty nine to one oh one. It was ugly,
it was disappointing, but they did bounce back from that
loss and beat the Bulls and the Raptors in successive
games on Friday and Saturday, which was great. I mean,
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it looked like a great bounce back, LaMelo and Brandon
are back on the floor, and then what happened against
the Nets happened against the Nets. Brandon didn't even play,
LaMelo didn't shoot it well though he was distributing well
as we know Miles had or kan Ka Nipple had
another good night in that game. But the Nets did
something that we all kind of saw coming but was
incredibly painful. Anyway, and we'll talk about all that with
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Charles Lee coming up in forty three minutes again as
they battled the knickt tonight in the garden with a
chance to get some get back and get back on
the right side of things. So stick around for that.
Michael Strickland Cidy I was gonna say, SVP always makes
me think of Scott Vampelt, as it should, the senior
vice president of football for the Atlantic Coast Conference. We
got the title game coming up here in Charlotte on Saturday.
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We'll get his thoughts on all things college football Playoff related,
ACC Football Playoff related, the future of the tiebreaker rule
that landed Duke in the College football or rather in
the ACC title game to begin with, and the way
the committee is quote unquote treating the ACC that's coming
up with Michael Strickland at four to twenty five and
at five o'clock. Roman Harper, two time pro bowler, Super
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Bowl champion, SEC Network analyst, back for his scheduled Wednesday
appointment at five o'clock. Lots to get to, including the
ACC SEC Challenge, which got off to a great, great
start last night for the home team. And I say
home team because this is still ACC country. We are
in the hearts of ACC Country. I know there's some
Game Cocks fans out there in the crowd and others
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you know that root for various other teams in different conferences,
But this is ACC country and the good guys are
up six to three in the a SEC Challenge after
last night almost aid big ten. It was a good
night duke in Carolina. Neither one was easy for those
squads last night. Carolina played an ugly game and Kentucky
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went ten minutes without scoring a bucket.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And Carolina was still only up at like one or two.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
They couldn't pull away, Like I felt like, I walked
away from the TV last night at least a half
dozen times, and every time I came back, Carolina still
had the same score as well as Kentucky. But Carolina
in sixty four, sixty seven, sixty four with a tough
win last night, winning in rup A Rupp Arena in Lexington.
I believe for the first time since two thousand and seven.
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And that was just a monster win last night. I
thought Carolina played. When I say played their asses off,
I don't mean played super well. They played hard last night.
I mean Carolina really maxing out the effort for forty
minutes last night. How about the freshman Derek Dixon last night?
I mean the guy I think was either one of
six or er or so of six from the field
in his first six shots, and then hit the final
two shots of regulation, including the go ahead lay up
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last night to put Carolina over the edge. Just a
great night for the Heels. Not a win that again
is going to impress anybody in the way that it
was played. But you beat an SEC opponent on the
road in ruw It's a great win. Second quad one
win of the season already for North Carolina. So they
got one last night. And I'll pause before I get
to your Blue Devils. What are you thinking over there?
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
No, I just wanted to say It's oddly enough, the
last time they won in Rapperina was December one, two
thousand and seven, so literally eighteen years plus one day
away from the last time they won in rup and
that's I believe Tubby Smith was still coaching Kentucky at
that point.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Oh wow, that's how far back you have to go.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
And that was the team that lost in the Final
four to two eventual national champion Kansas.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So watching that game last night.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Kyle, as you said, it wasn't pretty, but it's one
of those games where it feels like in the majority
of Hubert Davis's tenure, they have those games and they
have opportunities to win, but they don't win them. I
think even though it was it was a completely different game,
it was a shootout. I think back to that game
in Portland against Alabama two years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, and it's like or two or three years ago.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I kind of get my years mixed up now, and
it's just like they mess around, they continue to play
a different style and they don't win. I just can't
think in the Hubert Davis era, and then even in
the back end of Deroy Williams era, how many times
they win a game like that where it's is ugly,
they're on the road, and yeah, look they Kentucky went
ten minutes without a field goal.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But still for Carolina to.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Get a win like that against that, what I think
is a good team, not a great team, but a
really good team on the road in one of the
toughest environments in all the college basketball. I think it's
going to help this team come acc conference play and
going into March. And I'll say this too, I know
Caleb Wilson gets a lot of the love.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, and I also love Jay Willis.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Comparison to Caleb Wilson to a young Jermaine O'Neil, I
actually think that's pretty fair, especially when you look at
Jermain O'Neil when he first got into the league. But
what I think is going to be the massive X
factor of this team. And dig Vie Towe was loving
all over him. Henry Vasar, Oh yeah, I mean, good lord,
this horrific. This is what Caroline has been missing. They
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missed him, a player like Henry Vasar so much last
year and I thought when Carolina got him that was
going to be a good fit. But Kyle, he's been
even better than I imagine.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You don't get much more efficient than what he did
last night. I mean, seventeen and ten, just a double double,
first of all, but eight of twelve shots hit, eight
of twelve shots last night from the fleet, from the
field moved well, never seemed to be really out of
position that often. I mean, things happened in a basketball game.
But I'm with you. I was really impressed by the
way that he played last night. And you're right, Cayleb
Wilson gets a lot of the oxygen, as he should.
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But Vassar has been big for them so far this year,
and I love it. Myron Goodman already texting in to
say that Derek Dixon is the point guard of the
future for Carolina, says they found him last night. I mean, yeah,
late game heroics from the freshman last night. Made the
last two shots of the game for Carolina, one of
them a three coming out of a timeout with I
think just under a minute to go, and the other
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was the layup on the drive that gave them the
go ahead bucket. And you know, for a guy to
step up in that spot, you know, in a game
of that magnitude, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He's there for a reason.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
He's playing in a place like Carolin for a reason
because clearly he's good enough. But he's a young guy,
hasn't been there that long and is in rupp arena
in the acc SEC Challenge. I mean, shows some big
time juavos last night in making those shots, and he
was one of those guys that I also point to that.
You know, they just played really hard last night. It
was a hard fought game. You know, Kentucky played hard too,
and man that they're already frustrated with Mark Pope out there.
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I mean that honeymoon phase is over. They got the
mont riding the bus. Was the nineteen ninety six team
out there. Yeah, no, no, no, they got the most
expensive roster in college basketball, and they are not where
they thought they'd be through there for yeah, five and
three through eight games, they're not. It's Kentucky like they're
not thrilled about it, and you wouldn't expect them to be,
but you're right. I mean, Dixon was huge last night.
Henry Vassar was huge last night. They just a good effort.
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It was a good win for them, and Kentucky went
thirteen straight field goals attempts without a make last night
in over ten minutes. It was you ever have those nights,
by the way, where and I told you guys, I
had this this night last night where You're trying to
watch all these games. I'm trying to watch my hokee.
He's closed out the game Cocks. Last night, we got
Carolina Kentucky, we got Duke Florida, not necessarily in that order.
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And like, I've got all the games on and I
always seem to walk away at the wrong times and
miss all the stuff that happens. I missed Isaiah Evans
three last night at the end of the game, Like
I turned around and walked off, and I came back
and at sixty seven sixty six, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
What the hell?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And I kind of turned around rewinded. But Isaiah Evans
kind of another one where I mean, he's more established
than Derek Dixon, but same kind of story. Dixon had
done nothing up to that point. Isaiah Evans was zero
for seven from three at that point and hits the
big tray late after Florida. Florida surged man And I
was telling Hoggard before the show, my wife, you know,
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I had to go to the grocery store last night Dad.
You know, Dad had to go on a grocery run
last night, and so I missed the end of regulation
of my guys and only got to see OT and so,
you know, I'm trying to figure out what's going on.
And as I'm driving back from the grocery store last night,
I've got the station on and I'm hearing an update
from somebody saying, well, you know this was lopsided, but
here comes number fifteen Florida surging in the second half
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against Duke. And my thoughts was, oh, poor Smoke, because
you had gotten mad at me yesterday when I said
this is a game that I think under yeah, that
I think Duke should win comfortably. And I'm in the
truck last night night here oh, here comes number fifteen
Florida surging in the second half against Duke, and I'm like, damn,
I gotta get home.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And see this fifteen point lead blow them. And in
the second half, I'm like, oh crap, here we go.
But then they were able to hold it off enough.
And then when they got the lead, I think it
was Boogie Flans hit that yeah, hit the three pointer
to get them up too. I was thinking, oh crap,
this might be it. And at this point I'm like, look,
Duke's played with fire with some of these tough games.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Enough. If this is the first loss, I can live
with it.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
But then they just drew up a beautiful ato where
they had Cameron Boozer at the top of the key
used to pick and roll, have Isaiah Evans go across,
and for John Shire to have Isaiah Evans trust despite
not hitting anything from behind the arc last night, and
he hits a beautiful three point stop three point shot,
and as beautiful as that was, to stop on the
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utter end to make sure that Florida didn't even get
a shot up was just not even though Caleb Foster's
free frow were or free fro was bad. But you
know who also stepped up, Malak Brown. Yeah, the ultimate
glue guy gets a deflection on the inbounds pass, so
Florida doesn't even get a shot.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's the crazy thing.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
There was twenty seconds in between, still in the clock
with Isaiah Evans shot and Florida still did not get
a single attempt up.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That shows you Duke's defense, it does.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
What did you also think about Todd Golden's officiating comments
after the game last night. You see those where I said,
I told my guys, you know, you come to Duke,
you can't expect any fifty to fifty calls in this building.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And that's more or less what happened.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Like, look, I get it, it's they stereotype, and I
get Duke gets a lot of calls in their way.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I just worried. I wondered if that bothered you, because
I know a lot of things bothered you.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I mean, it doesn't really bother me because I know
what it is as a Duke fan. But I'm also like,
so did the rest make you go down fifteen points
in the first half?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Now I'm with you on that. I just I wondered
if that really got under your skin. That's my problem.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
And I also think too that Malik Brown Flagrant was
who gayzy in my opinion, and also someone said it too.
I think it was j Man on Twitter who covers Duke.
It's like, dude, you were complaining at Roger Errs the
whole entire time during the timeouts instead of drawing up
plays when John Shyer drew up that beautiful at o
to get Isaiah Evans open, what were you doing? You're
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complaining the whole time. He did a lot of complaining.
It's like, dude, and it just it also took me
off last night because I'm like, I knew something ticked
you off last night.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm like, damn it.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
If you didn't blow it against Houston, I think Shyer
would have out coached Todd Dalton.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'm like, Dad, got it. We're back to that again.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
How did that Duke team not win the National Chanceship
because I think.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
They would have beaten even with Walter, even though Clayton's
better than I looked.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Just I know. I'm like, Shire would have out coached Golden.
I know I got you. I got you.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So the ACC up six to three in the ACC
SEC Challenge after last night, Oh look at this, my
guy ONMIT, I was expecting at least one of these.
I wasn't sure if it would be from a non
win Forest fan or a Wake Forest fan. But he says,
let's have a convo about Wake and Steve Forbes year
in and year out lay an egg in non conference
despite having nice talent, wasted Hunter Say or Hunter Sallas.
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Then at ACC play they step up and play spoilers
and keep other teams from the tournament but on the
bubble and don't make it because these non conference losses
rents and repeat six years with Forbes and this crap
is killing Wake in the ACC. I when are they
gonna get it done? Like, when are they going to
step up and get one of these wins? They nearly
beat Michigan, and that's great, they almost did it. Like
who they lose to back to back Michigan and somebody
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else by combine two points? Who was it John Black.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Team in Atlantis or not Atlantis but the Bahamas?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Uh Texas Tech? Yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And they beat Memphis on the crazy you know, full
court heave second half left, but like I mean, you
look up, it's a tight game, and all of a
sudden you look up and wakes down twenty last night.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
That's exactly what happened to me because I was so
focused on the Duke game. I didn't look over because
I was I just I can't drive when Duke's playing
or when one of my teams are playing, So I
just was watching the game here and then over like,
holy crap, they're down twenty to Oklahoma at home.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It was tied like ten minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
When you like it's is it going to check? Because
I like Steve. We all like Steve Force for the
most part. He's a he's an entertaining guy, seems like
a fun guy to play for her that he would be.
But man, I mean im, it's right. They just they
can't ever quite get over the hump in these games.
And I thought they had another chance last night, but
got blown out in the second half, and that was
that they lose at eighty six to sixty eight. But
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like you asked me yesterday, I think when you brought
up the ACC s SEC challenge, you would ask me
which of these games I'm keeping the closest eye on
or which one I'm most interested in. And I think
I went Duke Florida because I was I really did
think Duke would win that game by ten points last night.
But what I almost told you yesterday was watch out
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for Syracusetan Tennessee. And I can't claim it now because
I didn't say it then, But I'm telling you I
had the gut feeling, and I just I went with
the safer route. And I'm ashamed of myself because I
was going to tell you I think think Syracuse is
gonna upset Tennessee and well, you know they did, they did,
they did.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
It's you know, it was an absolutely amazing performance and
Adriene Altrie, you have our attention now, yes, Like they
went over it to Players Era tournament and you know
they they ended it in a blowout loss. But what
really started to get my attention was when they took
Houston to overtime in that first game. It's like, yeah,
oh yeah, so this might be a little bit more
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of what Syracuse used to because last year was his
first year wasn't pretty at all. I didn't really know
what to expect from Syracuse this year with adrien Altry, now,
I'm like, this might help you guys in March.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'm not saying there a tournament team yet, but what
I am saying is that helps.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
They're definitely going to be a pain and a butt. Yeah,
for a lot of these teams in the ACC come
tournament play.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That helps. Last night, that win definitely helps. And I'll
say this too.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Last night was also reminder ay Miami's kind of going
to be back to what they have been in the
past the last few years of Larynega or alaraon Yago.
Everyone I got whatever you want to call them, that
that was an exception, not the rule, because they handed
it to Chris Beard and Ole miss last night that
was another big performance seventy five sixty six. Also Notre
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Dame winning against Missouri was pretty big for Notre Dame.
So what I think last night affirmed and what I
think tonight will continue to affirm, is that the middle
of the middle class of this conference has really stepped
up their game. I think the bottom teams are still
going to be pretty damn bad. Florida State, it's a
long rebuild for them, I truly believe that. And Pittsburgh,
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it looks like this could be the end of the
road for Jeff Caple in my opinion. I hate to
say that, but it it just looks like it is,
with the way the fan base views him, the way
they headed in this season.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
They already have four losses.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I just don't see it getting any better for Caple
at pitt long term. But the middle class is what's
going to help this conference get more bids I think
heading into March, because it's a lot better than it's
been the last three to four years.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, I told you a week or two ago, just
sitting here early on. My early project is the ACC
gets six teams in. That's what I'm thinking for the tournament.
I think the ACC gets six teams into the tournament.
Sitting here today, but again round two tonight six and three.
ACC took the lead last night. I got a few
I think Wolfpack fans chiming in on the text line
about tonight NC State will Wading company. They face Auburn
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at Neville Arena in Alabama. Not an easy one for them,
and you know they they win that game, they'll earn it.
We also have Clemson in the state of Alabama taking
on the University of Alabama tonight. Bama ranked number twelve
in the country. Clemson's off to a seven and one start,
and Brad Brownell has earned the trust of just about everybody.
They are not ranked, but I mean Clemson again off
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to a seven and one start. Their loan loss has
been to a what looks to be a decent Georgetown
team to start the year.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
So former Providence head coach that left for Georgetown, I'm
trying to remember his name.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Oh, I'm drawing a blank myself. Oh hold on, just
give me a second. I'm sure the text line will
beat U to it.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Ed Cooley, Yeah, Ed Cooley, thanks, that explains why Georgetown
is getting better. By the way, that's No Carolina's next opponent,
So just wanted to point that out too.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
So.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
But like Clemson's already gotten pretty good win over Georgia
and West Virginia. I was going to say, yes exactly,
so I think that this is even though they're not ranked.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Don't take this Clemson team for granted.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
And also remember a couple of years ago Clemson went
to Alabama there and I believe the first SEC ACC
challenge and beat Alabama at Alabama. But Kyle, that's not
the game I'm looking at. It's not even Louisville Arkansas,
because I think Louis's going to take care of business
against John Kyler Perry and Arkansas. The game I'm looking
at the most this might shock you Vanderbilt versus SMU.
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I was wondering if you were going to say that,
because SMU has a good portion of their team returning
Vanderbilt year one with the coach who was at JMU
that did a great job last year. I think that's
going to be the most intriguing ACC SEC matchup period.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Mark Byington, So you're talking about yeah, Mark Byington seven
oh four five, seven ninety six ten talking to Little
College Hoops here to start the show. The ACC SEC
Challenge began last night and the ACC took six of
nine games last night night two tonight. I love this event,
always have TC saying KB, I think college basketball season
is going to give us more than football did. And
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this football season has been crazy. I'm with you. It
can be really difficult for me this time of year
because we're still in the thick of football season, and
especially so now that the Panthers are relevant, that it
takes a minute for us to start to fully turn
our attention to to college basketball. We can't all be
doctor Quad's. But man, I think this ACC in college
basketball season is going to be tremendous, especially with what
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appears to be one of the deepest draft classes of
the last twenty years. There is so much big time
talent in college basketball this year.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
We'll talk more about it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
We'll take your phone calls on the other side, and
there is a is a conversation. I'm not going to
call it a report about Bryce Young and the fifth
year option that I think needs to be addressed. We'll
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about well. Conkinnipple, who was on Jimmy Fallon last night?
Did you stay up and watch it?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Smoke? Did you see? I watched part of the replay
earlier today.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
I stayed up, but I didn't watch it because it
was on daring the back end of the Kentucky North
Carolina thing when game, when things were getting pretty close.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I'm not a late night I have never been a
late night TV guy. I was of age ish during
the Leno Letterman Late Night Wars. Of course, Conan O'Brien
got into that you and I've had this discussion. I'm
not the biggest fan and never really have been of
late night TV. Some of the interviews, of course, I
think have been interesting. That's that's part of it that
I think we can all. A good interview is a
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good interview, doesn't matter where it comes from. But like
I think, I'd largely find late night comedy to be
kind of lame and not really my style, all right,
and it's from a bygone era too, it is, it
is so I rarely I mean, I don't watch any
of those shows, not Fallon, not Kimmel, not any of them.
But I caught a peak of it earlier today and
it almost did you get the sense that Jimmy Fallon
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didn't really know what to ask Conkinipple when that interview started.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
The thing that caught me off guard to most, how
was how he was talking about his mom.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, okay, yeah, gorgeous. I'm like, we're just going to
pass that by.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
We give mac Hel for talking about his elders, but
Jimmy Fallen can just say, right in front of his face,
your mom's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Y, right, ohoh right, woo.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But I am going to ask Charles Lee about Conkinipple's
thoughts on the Brooklyn game. Where As we talked about yesterday,
Conkinipple gave that quote to I guess Rod Bode of
The Observer where and I'm paraphrasing a little bit, he said,
it's one thing to lose, but to not play the
way that we play, to not compete, to not play
hard enough, is disappointing. Basically doing the same thing in
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slightly different words that Nick s Gorton did in the Panthers'
locker room a couple of weeks ago following the Saints loss.
And I'm going to see, you know how he feels
about the rookie making that statement to a reporter. So
we'll get to that. And the bagel guy says, are
you going to ask coach about his questionable fourth quarter
lineup against the Nets?
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's coming up. Make sure to stick around
in about seventeen to eighteen minutes. We'll get to it all.
Charles is a forthcoming guy with me most of the time,
so yes, we'll ask him about all of those things.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What you got do you want to.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
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Speaker 3 (22:05):
Real quick, TC says it's early signing day today and
barely any mention changing times. Well, but we're only twenty
nine minutes into the show, to be fair, there's a
lot going on today.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
And with what Kyle's team is doing right now, he's
eventually going to glow.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'm trying not to be obnoxious about it, but there
are things being said online and in the college football
universe like I've never seen anything quite like what James
Franklin is doing on signing day before. This guy, dude,
he has taken Virginia Tech's recruiting class. I think from
what was it, one forty sixth just a handful of
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days ago, to a top twenty five class in the country. Seriously,
they were like at least outside the top one twenty five.
I think they were at one forty six as recently
as like five or six days ago, and James Franklin
has them right now with a top twenty five class
in America after having been on campus for just a
you know.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Hand full of weeks like that.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
That's how how many Penn State commits he's flipped. I mean,
he flipped an Oklahoma commit out of Richmond. He flipped
another SEC commit out of Birmingham, Alabama the other day,
a big defensive lineman. James Franklin has been on an
absolute recruiting tear the last several days, and he has
again taken that class from outside of one twenty five
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one point thirty to a top twenty five class in
the country. Also, Lane Kiffin kind of you know, cleaning
up to that one. Probably a bit less impressive to people,
given the fact that it's it's LSU, it's the state
of Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You should do well. You should do well.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Like it doesn't matter who the coach is at LSU,
they more often than not retain most of their top
homegrown talent. That's the dream of every kid in the
state of Louisiana is to play for LSU.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So you got LSU all the way up here on
the fiftieth.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Floor, two lanes all the way down about the fifteenth floor,
and then everyone else is like on the fifth floor
and below.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah, that's true. Oh, I take that back. James Franklin
has gone now from twenty five to twenty two in
the two four to seven Sports rankings, so he has
taken them from near one fifty all the way to
the twenty second ranked recruiting class in America. Somebody asked
about Carolina too a minute ago seventeen. According to the
two four to seven Sports Composite rankings, they're pulling in
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a big class like that's they have forty commits right
now for the upcoming recruiting class. Carolina does, so they
are That's two things. That's a lot of new players
coming into the building in Chapel Hill, but also indicates
a lot more roster turnover too. They got a four
star flip I think I saw from that was originally
committed to Texas. So I mean, that's good for Bill
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Belichick to get that stuff. But I'm also still very
wary of the idea of so many freshmen coming in
for a coach that you're trying to do a long
term I guess a long term build now with a
coach that's above seventy years old, that's kind of the thing.
And plus, like I said yesterday, and we can say this,
it applies for James Franklin. But I just trust James
Franklin more when it comes to college football and quick rebuilds.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
That's an actual track record of recruiting to college programs. Y. Yeah,
unlike Bill Belichick despite his coaching credentials. It's just like, Okay,
I've seen great recruiting classes from Larry Fedora mac Brown,
and as you said yesterday, we seen great recruiting classes
from Mike London. I remember that being hyped up a
lot back in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Butch Davis had some great classes out there at Tennessee.
Oh yeah, Butch Jones had some great classes at Tennessee.
I'm sorry, but Joe, my bad. We're in North Carolina.
I do that all the time. Yeah, Buch Jones, thank you, Champion. Hey,
I can't get too mad at Butch Jones. He did
take down app State and make sure that they didn't
get Bull eligible in year one. Yeah, recruiting matters, but
then you still got to coach him up once you
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get on campus. That's that's kind of a big deal
still too. All right, seven oh four, five, seven oh
ninety six to ten, let's go to the phone lines.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Kevin's been waiting.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
We talked a lot about the acc SEC Challenge from
last night, Night one, the Atlantic Coast Conference off to
a six and three start in the Challenge Night two tonight,
Kevin wants to talk about Duke. Kevin, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Man, A first time calling?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Awesome? What's going on? I want to know who made
Duke schedule? That thing is a murder schedule. Schedule.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, but dud John Shyer talked about that right when
he got there and again last year. He wants his
guys battle tested early in the season. And I think
it's obviously in large part because they bring in such
you know, young blue chip stars every year that they
don't want to waste much time getting those dudes baptized
into the fire of big time college basketball environments.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, that's a real schedule, a real bow schedule. And
thank pretty much.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely appreciates Kevin. Yeah, mean, that's that's the
that's his philosophy at Duke right now. And it's a
good one.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Yeah, we're middle of a three game stretch right now,
where they played Arkansas in Chicago, they hosted Florida, and
now this weekend they go to East Lansing to play
arguably the best Michigan State team over the last five
to seven years. Yeah, that's and the fact that they
were going to already have a winning record over that
is massive for them.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I think, Look, this makes all the sense in the world.
The way that he's scheduling.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's tough, and there might be there are going to
be some years where it doesn't go according to plan.
But that was one thing that we said about Duke
a lot last year, right, and of course that was
a loaded team. But you know, this is what he does.
He brings in these young eighteen nineteen year old blue
chip talents, guys who were playing big time college basketball
for the first time. You want to get him ready
for those major moments in March. The best way to
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do that is to schedule, you know, a murderer's row
early in the season of non conference and get them
ready for those moments. So I think it's a great philosophy.
Now I want to pivot to a football for a
couple of minutes. We'll get back to the Panthers more
extensively a little bit later in the show. But as
I brought up Bryce Young and the fifth year option
as we were going to break immediately, I think it
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was Hornet's Ron who texted in and said, well, that's
that's an opinion piece. It's not a report, and I said, yeah,
we're aware. That's actually the first point that I'm going
to make. I think it was Underdog Fantasy, the first
that I saw this morning that tweeted Graziano the Panthers
will pick up the fifth year option on on Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So everybody starts running with it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It turns into a trending topic on Twitter, and the
trending topic even says Panthers to pick up fifty year
option on QB Bryce Young. What Dan Graziano actually said
is that he was in Carolina this weekend, actually saw
him in the press box, and that you know, he
had conversations with people, and that he expects the Panthers
to pick up the fifth year option on Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
So that's what he said.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's not a hey report, the Panthers are doing this,
that's not but that's certainly the way that it was
run with online, in the way that some people have
talked about it.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So I just want to make that distinction.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I also, at this moment in time, like sitting here
on Wednesday, December the third, if I'm Dan Morgan and
I have to make the decision today, which you don't.
You have until May to make this call. I'm picking
up the fifth year option on Bryce Young. Like to me,
it's a no brainer. You're picking up the fifth year
option on Bryce Young. And we can, of course talk
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about bringing in veteran competition, and you know, some people
even want to draft one in the third or fourth round,
and that's fine. We could talk about all that, But
in terms of what to do about Bryce, there is
no official report. But I think that's exactly where this
thing is going right now. You have until May. Now
the next four games are still evaluation in data points.
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Bryce goes out and plays well well, it becomes a
no brainer even more so, and you're probably even talking
extension at that point. If he goes out and they
finished three and want and make the playoffs, that's a
very different conversation than if they go one and three
down the stretch and he throws more picks than touchdown passes,
and they limp to the finish.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So I don't know what more to say about it
than that.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
But does anybody vehemently or is anyone vehemently opposed to
picking up the fifth year option on Bryce Young? Reportedly,
that would be I think twenty six and a half
million dollars for that fifth year, given the fact that
top end starting quarterbacks right now are making fifty five
to sixty million dollars a year, and by the way,
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that number will only continue to go up so long
as the salary cap goes up. Twenty six and a
half million dollars to pick up the fifth year option
to save yourself some money long term if he continues
to progress and get better.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Doesn't that sound like good business? Yeah? That does sound
like good efficient business.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
And it gives you more time to evaluateight, Yeah, your quarterback.
The fifth year option is essentially just a it's a
fail safe. It's kind of like an extra layer to
protect someone in case you're falling down.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's like, all right, I got this to you know,
fall back on here.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
It's you know, kind of what they say in the
business world, a rainy day fund potentially, and it also
gives you more time to evaluate the quarterback, because that
was the thing that so many people complained about when
Sam Donald got traded.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Here was immediately sight unseen.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
After they traded for Sam Donald, Scott Fitter, you know,
added the fifth year option for Sam Donald, and a
lot of people once they saw Sam Donald were immediately.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Like, why they give him the fifth year option?
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Well, for as much as I can, you know, nitpick
everything that Scott Fitter did, and believe me, there's a
lot of stuff he did. That's something that people should
have never been nitpicking Scott Fitter over is the fact
that he put a fifth year option on the guy.
Because what would have happened if Sam Darnold came here
in twenty twenty one and then he bawled out in
the twenty twenty one season. Oh crap, we have to
pay him immediately, and then we're talking franchise tag, which
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is more than a fifth year option, and then you're
trying to get the deal done, and you basically put
yourself in a similar situation to what Washington was with
Kirk Cousins. So it's just a way to get more time,
the way to negotiate. You start, you have your starting
point at this point in the off season, while you
have that fifth year option in the back of your hand,
and then with that time you evaluate him more. And
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then you also talk with his agent to see if
you can come find some middle ground to where they'll
both agree on the deal.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's what it is.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
It's essentially a business tactic to make sure that you
can start the conversations of an extension or get more.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Time on seven four five, seven ninety six ten the
airline pilot saying common sense says, do the fifth year
option gives us flexibility to evaluate Bryce, see if he's
worth big money or if we need to move on
or develop his replacement. TC's saying, Carolina's future with Bryce
is what's going on with Arizona and Murray. He's just
good enough for you not to be good enough. I mean,
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I think you could maybe argue that right now, but
he continues overall to trend up like it is absolutely
you know, wild swings week to week sometimes right now,
but I mean, overall, you still feel like they're collectively
moving in the right direction. As the team has gotten
better around him, the results have gotten better. His results
you know, I think are getting better, but I want
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to see how he plays down the last four down
the stretch here in these final four games, I think
everybody does seven oh four, five, seven, ninety six to ten.
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Speaker 2 (32:50):
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Pre big news coming out of the NBA over the
last twelve hours. First, Chris Paul's retirement tour is on
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a sabbatical right now. Why Because the Clippers released him
at three in the morning, and part of the reason why,
a cordon to sham Serani was that his leadership style
clash with.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
The Clippers, sources told ESPN.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Paul has been vocal in holding management, coaches and players accountable,
which the team felt was disruptive to their team.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
As this is who the guys always been, though, What
did they think they were getting when they signed him
to this retirement tour contract back in July?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
What did you think you were getting?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He's what you just called him a legendary Clipper in
the statement Lawrence Frank.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Did, Yeah, he's but you know who he is.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
You know what he's like inside the locker room. So
I mean they kind of embarrassed the guy. You had
to do this to one of your biggest legends ever.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And you just send him home and you're done with him. Jeez.
Not a good pr move.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
But hey, Chris, if you want to come to your
real home state, I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Just saying, yeah, I think he calls California.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Home now, Okay, fine, Anyways, speaking of home, Jannis didn't
a Compo could be looking for a new home. It
was reported earlier today by Brian Windhorsed. Apparently Jannis has
been asking for a trade since before the season, and
now Schaum's right as our show started, tweeted out that
Giannis is looking for a new home. Not really shocking
considering how the last few years of Bucks basketball has gone.
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Between their firing of Adrian Griffin on the moment's notice
and then hiring Doc Rivers and the fact that the
Dame Lillard trade crashed and burned. It just feels like
he wants to end his career elsewhere where. He's still
competing for a championship.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Giannis to Charlotte, No, not even a second thought. Huh,
he's above thirty. If this was like twenty five, twenty sixty, Honus,
I'd be like, maybe go all in, but we're not
at that point. Is there any package you think that
would be a I'm just thinking out loud.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Cleveland might No, I'm talking about from Charlie.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
They could be the third team like they weren't a cat,
So you want to facilitate again. Okay, that's probably what
they're thinking.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
What listen, we'll come back. We'll talk some hoopes with
Charles Lee. Horn its head coach. We got a lot
to catch up on. They've got the Knicks tonight and
Madison Square Garden tip off at seven thirty. Head coach
Charles Lee joins me next Sports Radio ninety two seven,
WFNZ Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z KB and
(35:54):
smoke back with you here on a busy Wednesday at
ChIL Wednesday, And don't forget coming up Michael Dricklin, the
senior vice president of football for the Atlantic Coast Conferences, Back,
we got the ACC title game coming up here in
the Queen City on Saturday, and at five o'clock, our
boy Roman Harper, two time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl champion,
SEC Network analyst. But also don't forget six thirty tonight
(36:15):
Hornets pregame here on the flagship We've got you as
the Hornets visit the Knicks at Madison Square Garden and
joining us now. The head coach of your Charlotte Hornets,
Charles Lee, back for one of his weekly chats.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Coach, what's going on? How's the big city? How's the
Big Apple?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Big Apple is cold, but it's it's been pretty good
to us so far.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Love it just is it?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
You're all stars, You're an NBA coach, you coach NBA player,
so you guys are all a really big deal. But
seeing con Ka Nipple on the late on the Jimmy
Fallon Show last night was that bizarre?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
What'd you think?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Well, unfortunately I didn't get to see it. Too late
for me. I try to stay up and watch and like,
all of a sudden, sounds like we have a different
guest coming on, and I'm like, it's already eleven fifty.
It is late. I gotta get ready for the game
from But I'm very excited for con. It was a
good day for him, obviously being announced the NBA's Eastern
Conference Rookie of the Month and then having an opportunity
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to go on to Fallon and the type of person
he is, he's obviously excited about it and appreciative and grateful,
but he stays humble and understands the importance of his
teammates helping him have this type of success. So far
early in his NBA career.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
He's been awesome. I do have a question about him
because a couple of weeks ago, the Panthers had what,
you know, sports fans might call a bad loss to
the Saints, and after that, a couple of Panthers players
remarked about maybe a not so great week of practice
or preparation and focus going into that game. One was
a rookie, and you know, there were some backlash to that.
Some talk about the dynamics of the locker room after
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your loss to Brooklyn kan Ka Nipple just said he
felt like the team didn't, you know, compete and go
hard enough in that game and was disappointed by that
as a rookie who's not even midway through his rookie year.
Are you good with that as a head coach that
do you want those rookie stepping out and expressing those
sorts of things.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, I would say it's not even a rookie thing,
a vet thing to me, It's just a player ownership
thing or player accountability. They have to ultimately take ownership
of what they want the identity of this team to
be every night. You know, as much as the coaches
and the GM, the president, the ownership group might have
this vision and what we say, and we have to
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model those behaviors, but we need the players to obviously
carry it out and I think they have to model
it themselves, but they also have to hold each other
accountable and whoever that is, they know our standards are
to compete at a high level, to play together at
a high level. And we showed during the weekend when
you win that back to back that we can do it,
and you know we've done it throughout the whole year.
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But we have to be able to sustain it, and
I think just during that Brooklyn game, we did some
really good things. We put ourselves in a position to
have an eleven point lead, and then our identity started
to I think fizzle as the game went on, and
like that to conscredit, he doesn't want to see that
going forward, and definitely have his back when he talks
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about that, because our process and our identity are really
important to us.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
You've talked a lot about consistency this year, clearly after
a tough loss to the Knicks. So you'll see tonight
your team bounced back, you won two straight, You swept
it back to back against a couple of teams with
winning records. That Toronto Raptors were scorching hot. So how
do you characterize the Brooklyn game? Is it a letdown?
Was it too many mental miscues? But like, how would
you how did you frame that game for your guys
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after it happened?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah, I would say after in the heat of the battle,
post game, and then I went back and watched, and
our staff went back and watched, and we felt pretty
much the same. I give Brooklyn credit for how they played. Again,
I think we did a lot of really good things
to build that eleven point lead, and we came out
with the fire that we needed to the physicality, the competitiveness,
and ball was kind of popping around and moving well,
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and Mellow set a tone for us, and I think
had eight assists in the first half and finished with
like fourteen, So he definitely was trying to play the
right way. But I do think that when you go
back and watch and you try to summise it, orter
Junior had a good night and there are things that
we could have done a little bit better. And then
to me, offensively, we just didn't make the right pass play,
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the right read, the selfless play enough times offensively, and
we took some tough contested jumpers. And we know as
a defense that's what we want to try to force
other teams into because statistically is not good, but it
also does something to that other team's spirit when you
don't have the great ball movement and stuff. And we
fell into that, and I think that it ended up
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hurting us, and it hurt a little bit of our
team spirit as we went through that game. And so
that's that's kind of how I surmised it to the group,
and I think that will be better tonight. Whenever you
kind of challenge these guys to get back on track.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
All correct me if I'm wrong here, because I don't
have the stat in front of me, but my producer
pulled it yesterday. I think this is right. But again,
you would know better than I would. I think in
his last sixty games, LaMelo shooting something like forty percent
from the floor. Struggling a little bit right now to
get shots to go down. Clearly he's back and forth
from injury. That's no doubt had some sort of impact.
But how do you get him going? How do you
help him out on that front?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yeah, the thing I tell him to kind of focus
on those shot opportunities will will, They'll be what they are.
And I think that he does a great job of
creating shots for himself. I think his teammate's doll a
really good job sometimes of hitting him for open catch
and shoot opportunities. I have to obviously make some play
calls that helped put him in a really good position,
but I also just want him to focus on what
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are the other ways I can impact the game. Even
if my shots stop falling. There's still like the big
defensive play that he came up with versus Toronto that
helped us pull out Chicago. That helped us pull out
that game, the rebounding, some of his passing, So there
are other ways to impact the game even without scoring,
and I think that he's starting to realize that, which
has helped our group the last few games.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I know Brandon's already been listed as out for tonight's game.
This will be back to back missus for him. Anything
we should know there any update on his health status right.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Now, Yeah, I would say he's, you know, trending in
a good direction every day. His symptoms are improving. It's
all kind of part of the just daily evaluation of
our guys that are coming back from injury and just
making sure they're at the place where when we put
them out there, they can play free, they can play confident,
and you know all the Nix and Bruges want affect
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their availability going forward. So I think that our performance
staff and Brandon have done a really good job of
just trying to set him up for the best possible
case of games played.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I looked out in the fourth quarter the other night.
I think you had a rotation of Antonio Reeves, Liam McNeely,
Collin sextancy on James, and I'm forgetting the fifth at
the moment. You know your roster a hell of a
lot better than I do. But how much how much
are you tinkering right now? Because I'll be honest, that's
not a rotation or a lineup, brother that I would
necessarily expect to see in the middle of a tight
ball game in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, you know, some of it's tinkering, But some of
it is what we talked about it a little earlier
in this conversation of just trying to get our team
to recognize the importance of sticking to our identity. And
you know, when we talk about who we want to be,
the actions have to follow, and when those actions don't
follow at times, the best way for people to learn
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sometimes is to have to come out of the game,
and when that happens, you end up with some lineups
like that. So some of it is the flow of
the game, and some of it's in the effort I
think to just try to make sure that we are
all focused on the right things and focused on trying
to be who we want to be, because when we
do do those things, we're actually a really good team.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
All right, last thing. We'll get you out of here.
You just saw the Knicks didn't go your way last week.
Clearly it was a motivating factor for the next two.
You got a chance at revenge tonight. What should it
look like?
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, transition defense has to be a lot better. You know,
I think we gave up like twenty six points or
somewhere in that area. We got to be better there,
and some of that, to me, it was just a
lack of urgency and sometimes effort and communication. So I
expect us to be a lot better in that area.
And then in the half court, guarding Brunson and guarding
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Towns will be big for us too. And then offensively,
like I said, I just want to see us keep
playing the right way. One like, when our pace and
our ball movement are in a good spot, it puts
us in the spot to have a really high shot quality.
And then we're one of the best offensive rebounding teams
in the league. And I think that that relentlessness and
then the selflessness to be able to kick out for
some dagger threes or other opportunities has really helped our offense.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Love it, Thank you, coach. Best of luck tonight. We'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Thank you, Kyle, talk to you so much.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
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at seven thirty pregame at six thirty with Me and
T Bone. You will hear from Charles Lee coming up
in forty three minutes. The Knicks waxed them last week,
one twenty nine to one oh one. It was ugly,
it was disappointing, but they did bounce back from that
loss and beat the Bulls and the Raptors in successive
games on Friday and Saturday, which was great. I mean,
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it looked like a great bounce back, LaMelo and Brandon
are back on the floor, and then what happened against
the Nets happened against the Nets. Brandon didn't even play,
LaMelo didn't shoot it well though he was distributing well
as we know Miles had or kan Ka Nipple had
another good night in that game. But the Nets did
something that we all kind of saw coming but was
incredibly painful. Anyway, and we'll talk about all that with
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Charles Lee coming up in forty three minutes again as
they battled the knickt tonight in the garden with a
chance to get some get back and get back on
the right side of things. So stick around for that.
Michael Strickland Cidy I was gonna say, SVP always makes
me think of Scott Vampelt, as it should, the senior
vice president of football for the Atlantic Coast Conference. We
got the title game coming up here in Charlotte on Saturday.
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We'll get his thoughts on all things college football Playoff related,
ACC Football Playoff related, the future of the tiebreaker rule
that landed Duke in the College football or rather in
the ACC title game to begin with, and the way
the committee is quote unquote treating the ACC that's coming
up with Michael Strickland at four to twenty five and
at five o'clock. Roman Harper, two time pro bowler, Super
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Bowl champion, SEC Network analyst, back for his scheduled Wednesday
appointment at five o'clock. Lots to get to, including the
ACC SEC Challenge, which got off to a great, great
start last night for the home team. And I say
home team because this is still ACC country. We are
in the hearts of ACC Country. I know there's some
Game Cocks fans out there in the crowd and others
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you know that root for various other teams in different conferences,
But this is ACC country and the good guys are
up six to three in the a SEC Challenge after
last night almost aid big ten. It was a good
night duke in Carolina. Neither one was easy for those
squads last night. Carolina played an ugly game and Kentucky
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went ten minutes without scoring a bucket.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And Carolina was still only up at like one or two.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
They couldn't pull away, Like I felt like, I walked
away from the TV last night at least a half
dozen times, and every time I came back, Carolina still
had the same score as well as Kentucky. But Carolina
in sixty four, sixty seven, sixty four with a tough
win last night, winning in rup A Rupp Arena in Lexington.
I believe for the first time since two thousand and seven.
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And that was just a monster win last night. I
thought Carolina played. When I say played their asses off,
I don't mean played super well. They played hard last night.
I mean Carolina really maxing out the effort for forty
minutes last night. How about the freshman Derek Dixon last night?
I mean the guy I think was either one of
six or er or so of six from the field
in his first six shots, and then hit the final
two shots of regulation, including the go ahead lay up
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last night to put Carolina over the edge. Just a
great night for the Heels. Not a win that again
is going to impress anybody in the way that it
was played. But you beat an SEC opponent on the
road in ruw It's a great win. Second quad one
win of the season already for North Carolina. So they
got one last night. And I'll pause before I get
to your Blue Devils. What are you thinking over there?
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
No, I just wanted to say It's oddly enough, the
last time they won in Rapperina was December one, two
thousand and seven, so literally eighteen years plus one day
away from the last time they won in rup and
that's I believe Tubby Smith was still coaching Kentucky at
that point.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Oh wow, that's how far back you have to go.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
And that was the team that lost in the Final
four to two eventual national champion Kansas.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So watching that game last night.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Kyle, as you said, it wasn't pretty, but it's one
of those games where it feels like in the majority
of Hubert Davis's tenure, they have those games and they
have opportunities to win, but they don't win them. I
think even though it was it was a completely different game,
it was a shootout. I think back to that game
in Portland against Alabama two years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, and it's like or two or three years ago.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I kind of get my years mixed up now, and
it's just like they mess around, they continue to play
a different style and they don't win. I just can't
think in the Hubert Davis era, and then even in
the back end of Deroy Williams era, how many times
they win a game like that where it's is ugly,
they're on the road, and yeah, look they Kentucky went
ten minutes without a field goal.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But still for Carolina to.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Get a win like that against that, what I think
is a good team, not a great team, but a
really good team on the road in one of the
toughest environments in all the college basketball. I think it's
going to help this team come acc conference play and
going into March. And I'll say this too, I know
Caleb Wilson gets a lot of the love.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, and I also love Jay Willis.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Comparison to Caleb Wilson to a young Jermaine O'Neil, I
actually think that's pretty fair, especially when you look at
Jermain O'Neil when he first got into the league. But
what I think is going to be the massive X
factor of this team. And dig Vie Towe was loving
all over him. Henry Vasar, Oh yeah, I mean, good lord,
this horrific. This is what Caroline has been missing. They
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missed him, a player like Henry Vasar so much last
year and I thought when Carolina got him that was
going to be a good fit. But Kyle, he's been
even better than I imagine.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You don't get much more efficient than what he did
last night. I mean, seventeen and ten, just a double double,
first of all, but eight of twelve shots hit, eight
of twelve shots last night from the fleet, from the
field moved well, never seemed to be really out of
position that often. I mean, things happened in a basketball game.
But I'm with you. I was really impressed by the
way that he played last night. And you're right, Cayleb
Wilson gets a lot of the oxygen, as he should.
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But Vassar has been big for them so far this year,
and I love it. Myron Goodman already texting in to
say that Derek Dixon is the point guard of the
future for Carolina, says they found him last night. I mean, yeah,
late game heroics from the freshman last night. Made the
last two shots of the game for Carolina, one of
them a three coming out of a timeout with I
think just under a minute to go, and the other
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was the layup on the drive that gave them the
go ahead bucket. And you know, for a guy to
step up in that spot, you know, in a game
of that magnitude, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He's there for a reason.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
He's playing in a place like Carolin for a reason
because clearly he's good enough. But he's a young guy,
hasn't been there that long and is in rupp arena
in the acc SEC Challenge. I mean, shows some big
time juavos last night in making those shots, and he
was one of those guys that I also point to that.
You know, they just played really hard last night. It
was a hard fought game. You know, Kentucky played hard too,
and man that they're already frustrated with Mark Pope out there.
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I mean that honeymoon phase is over. They got the
mont riding the bus. Was the nineteen ninety six team
out there. Yeah, no, no, no, they got the most
expensive roster in college basketball, and they are not where
they thought they'd be through there for yeah, five and
three through eight games, they're not. It's Kentucky like they're
not thrilled about it, and you wouldn't expect them to be,
but you're right. I mean, Dixon was huge last night.
Henry Vassar was huge last night. They just a good effort.
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It was a good win for them, and Kentucky went
thirteen straight field goals attempts without a make last night
in over ten minutes. It was you ever have those nights,
by the way, where and I told you guys, I
had this this night last night where You're trying to
watch all these games. I'm trying to watch my hokee.
He's closed out the game Cocks. Last night, we got
Carolina Kentucky, we got Duke Florida, not necessarily in that order.
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And like, I've got all the games on and I
always seem to walk away at the wrong times and
miss all the stuff that happens. I missed Isaiah Evans
three last night at the end of the game, Like
I turned around and walked off, and I came back
and at sixty seven sixty six, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
What the hell?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And I kind of turned around rewinded. But Isaiah Evans
kind of another one where I mean, he's more established
than Derek Dixon, but same kind of story. Dixon had
done nothing up to that point. Isaiah Evans was zero
for seven from three at that point and hits the
big tray late after Florida. Florida surged man And I
was telling Hoggard before the show, my wife, you know,
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I had to go to the grocery store last night Dad.
You know, Dad had to go on a grocery run
last night, and so I missed the end of regulation
of my guys and only got to see OT and so,
you know, I'm trying to figure out what's going on.
And as I'm driving back from the grocery store last night,
I've got the station on and I'm hearing an update
from somebody saying, well, you know this was lopsided, but
here comes number fifteen Florida surging in the second half
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against Duke. And my thoughts was, oh, poor Smoke, because
you had gotten mad at me yesterday when I said
this is a game that I think under yeah, that
I think Duke should win comfortably. And I'm in the
truck last night night here oh, here comes number fifteen
Florida surging in the second half against Duke, and I'm like, damn,
I gotta get home.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And see this fifteen point lead blow them. And in
the second half, I'm like, oh crap, here we go.
But then they were able to hold it off enough.
And then when they got the lead, I think it
was Boogie Flans hit that yeah, hit the three pointer
to get them up too. I was thinking, oh crap,
this might be it. And at this point I'm like, look,
Duke's played with fire with some of these tough games.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Enough. If this is the first loss, I can live
with it.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
But then they just drew up a beautiful ato where
they had Cameron Boozer at the top of the key
used to pick and roll, have Isaiah Evans go across,
and for John Shire to have Isaiah Evans trust despite
not hitting anything from behind the arc last night, and
he hits a beautiful three point stop three point shot,
and as beautiful as that was, to stop on the
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utter end to make sure that Florida didn't even get
a shot up was just not even though Caleb Foster's
free frow were or free fro was bad. But you
know who also stepped up, Malak Brown. Yeah, the ultimate
glue guy gets a deflection on the inbounds pass, so
Florida doesn't even get a shot.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's the crazy thing.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
There was twenty seconds in between, still in the clock
with Isaiah Evans shot and Florida still did not get
a single attempt up.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That shows you Duke's defense, it does.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
What did you also think about Todd Golden's officiating comments
after the game last night. You see those where I said,
I told my guys, you know, you come to Duke,
you can't expect any fifty to fifty calls in this building.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And that's more or less what happened.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Like, look, I get it, it's they stereotype, and I
get Duke gets a lot of calls in their way.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I just worried. I wondered if that bothered you, because
I know a lot of things bothered you.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I mean, it doesn't really bother me because I know
what it is as a Duke fan. But I'm also like,
so did the rest make you go down fifteen points
in the first half?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Now I'm with you on that. I just I wondered
if that really got under your skin. That's my problem.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
And I also think too that Malik Brown Flagrant was
who gayzy in my opinion, and also someone said it too.
I think it was j Man on Twitter who covers Duke.
It's like, dude, you were complaining at Roger Errs the
whole entire time during the timeouts instead of drawing up
plays when John Shyer drew up that beautiful at o
to get Isaiah Evans open, what were you doing? You're
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complaining the whole time. He did a lot of complaining.
It's like, dude, and it just it also took me
off last night because I'm like, I knew something ticked
you off last night.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm like, damn it.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
If you didn't blow it against Houston, I think Shyer
would have out coached Todd Dalton.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'm like, Dad, got it. We're back to that again.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
How did that Duke team not win the National Chanceship
because I think.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
They would have beaten even with Walter, even though Clayton's
better than I looked.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Just I know. I'm like, Shire would have out coached Golden.
I know I got you. I got you.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So the ACC up six to three in the ACC
SEC Challenge after last night, Oh look at this, my
guy ONMIT, I was expecting at least one of these.
I wasn't sure if it would be from a non
win Forest fan or a Wake Forest fan. But he says,
let's have a convo about Wake and Steve Forbes year
in and year out lay an egg in non conference
despite having nice talent, wasted Hunter Say or Hunter Sallas.
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Then at ACC play they step up and play spoilers
and keep other teams from the tournament but on the
bubble and don't make it because these non conference losses
rents and repeat six years with Forbes and this crap
is killing Wake in the ACC. I when are they
gonna get it done? Like, when are they going to
step up and get one of these wins? They nearly
beat Michigan, and that's great, they almost did it. Like
who they lose to back to back Michigan and somebody
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else by combine two points? Who was it John Black.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Team in Atlantis or not Atlantis but the Bahamas?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Uh Texas Tech? Yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And they beat Memphis on the crazy you know, full
court heave second half left, but like I mean, you
look up, it's a tight game, and all of a
sudden you look up and wakes down twenty last night.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
That's exactly what happened to me because I was so
focused on the Duke game. I didn't look over because
I was I just I can't drive when Duke's playing
or when one of my teams are playing, So I
just was watching the game here and then over like,
holy crap, they're down twenty to Oklahoma at home.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It was tied like ten minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
When you like it's is it going to check? Because
I like Steve. We all like Steve Force for the
most part. He's a he's an entertaining guy, seems like
a fun guy to play for her that he would be.
But man, I mean im, it's right. They just they
can't ever quite get over the hump in these games.
And I thought they had another chance last night, but
got blown out in the second half, and that was
that they lose at eighty six to sixty eight. But
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like you asked me yesterday, I think when you brought
up the ACC s SEC challenge, you would ask me
which of these games I'm keeping the closest eye on
or which one I'm most interested in. And I think
I went Duke Florida because I was I really did
think Duke would win that game by ten points last night.
But what I almost told you yesterday was watch out
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for Syracusetan Tennessee. And I can't claim it now because
I didn't say it then, But I'm telling you I
had the gut feeling, and I just I went with
the safer route. And I'm ashamed of myself because I
was going to tell you I think think Syracuse is
gonna upset Tennessee and well, you know they did, they did,
they did.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
It's you know, it was an absolutely amazing performance and
Adriene Altrie, you have our attention now, yes, Like they
went over it to Players Era tournament and you know
they they ended it in a blowout loss. But what
really started to get my attention was when they took
Houston to overtime in that first game. It's like, yeah,
oh yeah, so this might be a little bit more
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of what Syracuse used to because last year was his
first year wasn't pretty at all. I didn't really know
what to expect from Syracuse this year with adrien Altry, now,
I'm like, this might help you guys in March.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'm not saying there a tournament team yet, but what
I am saying is that helps.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
They're definitely going to be a pain and a butt. Yeah,
for a lot of these teams in the ACC come
tournament play.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That helps. Last night, that win definitely helps. And I'll
say this too.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Last night was also reminder ay Miami's kind of going
to be back to what they have been in the
past the last few years of Larynega or alaraon Yago.
Everyone I got whatever you want to call them, that
that was an exception, not the rule, because they handed
it to Chris Beard and Ole miss last night that
was another big performance seventy five sixty six. Also Notre
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Dame winning against Missouri was pretty big for Notre Dame.
So what I think last night affirmed and what I
think tonight will continue to affirm, is that the middle
of the middle class of this conference has really stepped
up their game. I think the bottom teams are still
going to be pretty damn bad. Florida State, it's a
long rebuild for them, I truly believe that. And Pittsburgh,
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it looks like this could be the end of the
road for Jeff Caple in my opinion. I hate to
say that, but it it just looks like it is,
with the way the fan base views him, the way
they headed in this season.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
They already have four losses.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I just don't see it getting any better for Caple
at pitt long term. But the middle class is what's
going to help this conference get more bids I think
heading into March, because it's a lot better than it's
been the last three to four years.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, I told you a week or two ago, just
sitting here early on. My early project is the ACC
gets six teams in. That's what I'm thinking for the tournament.
I think the ACC gets six teams into the tournament.
Sitting here today, but again round two tonight six and three.
ACC took the lead last night. I got a few
I think Wolfpack fans chiming in on the text line
about tonight NC State will Wading company. They face Auburn
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at Neville Arena in Alabama. Not an easy one for them,
and you know they they win that game, they'll earn it.
We also have Clemson in the state of Alabama taking
on the University of Alabama tonight. Bama ranked number twelve
in the country. Clemson's off to a seven and one start,
and Brad Brownell has earned the trust of just about everybody.
They are not ranked, but I mean Clemson again off
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to a seven and one start. Their loan loss has
been to a what looks to be a decent Georgetown
team to start the year.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
So former Providence head coach that left for Georgetown, I'm
trying to remember his name.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Oh, I'm drawing a blank myself. Oh hold on, just
give me a second. I'm sure the text line will
beat U to it.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Ed Cooley, Yeah, Ed Cooley, thanks, that explains why Georgetown
is getting better. By the way, that's No Carolina's next opponent,
So just wanted to point that out too.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
So.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
But like Clemson's already gotten pretty good win over Georgia
and West Virginia. I was going to say, yes exactly,
so I think that this is even though they're not ranked.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Don't take this Clemson team for granted.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
And also remember a couple of years ago Clemson went
to Alabama there and I believe the first SEC ACC
challenge and beat Alabama at Alabama. But Kyle, that's not
the game I'm looking at. It's not even Louisville Arkansas,
because I think Louis's going to take care of business
against John Kyler Perry and Arkansas. The game I'm looking
at the most this might shock you Vanderbilt versus SMU.
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I was wondering if you were going to say that,
because SMU has a good portion of their team returning
Vanderbilt year one with the coach who was at JMU
that did a great job last year. I think that's
going to be the most intriguing ACC SEC matchup period.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Mark Byington, So you're talking about yeah, Mark Byington seven
oh four five, seven ninety six ten talking to Little
College Hoops here to start the show. The ACC SEC
Challenge began last night and the ACC took six of
nine games last night night two tonight. I love this event,
always have TC saying KB, I think college basketball season
is going to give us more than football did. And
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this football season has been crazy. I'm with you. It
can be really difficult for me this time of year
because we're still in the thick of football season, and
especially so now that the Panthers are relevant, that it
takes a minute for us to start to fully turn
our attention to to college basketball. We can't all be
doctor Quad's. But man, I think this ACC in college
basketball season is going to be tremendous, especially with what
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appears to be one of the deepest draft classes of
the last twenty years. There is so much big time
talent in college basketball this year.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
We'll talk more about it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
We'll take your phone calls on the other side, and
there is a is a conversation. I'm not going to
call it a report about Bryce Young and the fifth
year option that I think needs to be addressed. We'll
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about well. Conkinnipple, who was on Jimmy Fallon last night?
Did you stay up and watch it?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Smoke? Did you see? I watched part of the replay
earlier today.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
I stayed up, but I didn't watch it because it
was on daring the back end of the Kentucky North
Carolina thing when game, when things were getting pretty close.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I'm not a late night I have never been a
late night TV guy. I was of age ish during
the Leno Letterman Late Night Wars. Of course, Conan O'Brien
got into that you and I've had this discussion. I'm
not the biggest fan and never really have been of
late night TV. Some of the interviews, of course, I
think have been interesting. That's that's part of it that
I think we can all. A good interview is a
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good interview, doesn't matter where it comes from. But like
I think, I'd largely find late night comedy to be
kind of lame and not really my style, all right,
and it's from a bygone era too, it is, it
is so I rarely I mean, I don't watch any
of those shows, not Fallon, not Kimmel, not any of them.
But I caught a peak of it earlier today and
it almost did you get the sense that Jimmy Fallon
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didn't really know what to ask Conkinipple when that interview started.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
The thing that caught me off guard to most, how
was how he was talking about his mom.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, okay, yeah, gorgeous. I'm like, we're just going to
pass that by.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
We give mac Hel for talking about his elders, but
Jimmy Fallen can just say, right in front of his face,
your mom's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Y, right, ohoh right, woo.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But I am going to ask Charles Lee about Conkinipple's
thoughts on the Brooklyn game. Where As we talked about yesterday,
Conkinipple gave that quote to I guess Rod Bode of
The Observer where and I'm paraphrasing a little bit, he said,
it's one thing to lose, but to not play the
way that we play, to not compete, to not play
hard enough, is disappointing. Basically doing the same thing in
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slightly different words that Nick s Gorton did in the Panthers'
locker room a couple of weeks ago following the Saints loss.
And I'm going to see, you know how he feels
about the rookie making that statement to a reporter. So
we'll get to that. And the bagel guy says, are
you going to ask coach about his questionable fourth quarter
lineup against the Nets?
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's coming up. Make sure to stick around
in about seventeen to eighteen minutes. We'll get to it all.
Charles is a forthcoming guy with me most of the time,
so yes, we'll ask him about all of those things.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What you got do you want to.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
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this weekend, you have a chance to win two tickets
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see the Hornets take on the joker. Nicola jokis, that's true,
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Speaker 3 (22:05):
Real quick, TC says it's early signing day today and
barely any mention changing times. Well, but we're only twenty
nine minutes into the show, to be fair, there's a
lot going on today.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
And with what Kyle's team is doing right now, he's
eventually going to glow.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'm trying not to be obnoxious about it, but there
are things being said online and in the college football
universe like I've never seen anything quite like what James
Franklin is doing on signing day before. This guy, dude,
he has taken Virginia Tech's recruiting class. I think from
what was it, one forty sixth just a handful of
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days ago, to a top twenty five class in the country. Seriously,
they were like at least outside the top one twenty five.
I think they were at one forty six as recently
as like five or six days ago, and James Franklin
has them right now with a top twenty five class
in America after having been on campus for just a
you know.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Hand full of weeks like that.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
That's how how many Penn State commits he's flipped. I mean,
he flipped an Oklahoma commit out of Richmond. He flipped
another SEC commit out of Birmingham, Alabama the other day,
a big defensive lineman. James Franklin has been on an
absolute recruiting tear the last several days, and he has
again taken that class from outside of one twenty five
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one point thirty to a top twenty five class in
the country. Also, Lane Kiffin kind of you know, cleaning
up to that one. Probably a bit less impressive to people,
given the fact that it's it's LSU, it's the state
of Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You should do well. You should do well.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Like it doesn't matter who the coach is at LSU,
they more often than not retain most of their top
homegrown talent. That's the dream of every kid in the
state of Louisiana is to play for LSU.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So you got LSU all the way up here on
the fiftieth.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Floor, two lanes all the way down about the fifteenth floor,
and then everyone else is like on the fifth floor
and below.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah, that's true. Oh, I take that back. James Franklin
has gone now from twenty five to twenty two in
the two four to seven Sports rankings, so he has
taken them from near one fifty all the way to
the twenty second ranked recruiting class in America. Somebody asked
about Carolina too a minute ago seventeen. According to the
two four to seven Sports Composite rankings, they're pulling in
(24:16):
a big class like that's they have forty commits right
now for the upcoming recruiting class. Carolina does, so they
are That's two things. That's a lot of new players
coming into the building in Chapel Hill, but also indicates
a lot more roster turnover too. They got a four
star flip I think I saw from that was originally
committed to Texas. So I mean, that's good for Bill
(24:37):
Belichick to get that stuff. But I'm also still very
wary of the idea of so many freshmen coming in
for a coach that you're trying to do a long
term I guess a long term build now with a
coach that's above seventy years old, that's kind of the thing.
And plus, like I said yesterday, and we can say this,
it applies for James Franklin. But I just trust James
Franklin more when it comes to college football and quick rebuilds.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
That's an actual track record of recruiting to college programs. Y. Yeah,
unlike Bill Belichick despite his coaching credentials. It's just like, Okay,
I've seen great recruiting classes from Larry Fedora mac Brown,
and as you said yesterday, we seen great recruiting classes
from Mike London. I remember that being hyped up a
lot back in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Butch Davis had some great classes out there at Tennessee.
Oh yeah, Butch Jones had some great classes at Tennessee.
I'm sorry, but Joe, my bad. We're in North Carolina.
I do that all the time. Yeah, Buch Jones, thank you, Champion. Hey,
I can't get too mad at Butch Jones. He did
take down app State and make sure that they didn't
get Bull eligible in year one. Yeah, recruiting matters, but
then you still got to coach him up once you
(25:38):
get on campus. That's that's kind of a big deal
still too. All right, seven oh four, five, seven oh
ninety six to ten, let's go to the phone lines.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Kevin's been waiting.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
We talked a lot about the acc SEC Challenge from
last night, Night one, the Atlantic Coast Conference off to
a six and three start in the Challenge Night two tonight,
Kevin wants to talk about Duke. Kevin, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Man, A first time calling?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Awesome? What's going on? I want to know who made
Duke schedule? That thing is a murder schedule. Schedule.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, but dud John Shyer talked about that right when
he got there and again last year. He wants his
guys battle tested early in the season. And I think
it's obviously in large part because they bring in such
you know, young blue chip stars every year that they
don't want to waste much time getting those dudes baptized
into the fire of big time college basketball environments.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, that's a real schedule, a real bow schedule. And
thank pretty much.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely appreciates Kevin. Yeah, mean, that's that's the
that's his philosophy at Duke right now. And it's a
good one.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Yeah, we're middle of a three game stretch right now,
where they played Arkansas in Chicago, they hosted Florida, and
now this weekend they go to East Lansing to play
arguably the best Michigan State team over the last five
to seven years. Yeah, that's and the fact that they
were going to already have a winning record over that
is massive for them.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I think, Look, this makes all the sense in the world.
The way that he's scheduling.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's tough, and there might be there are going to
be some years where it doesn't go according to plan.
But that was one thing that we said about Duke
a lot last year, right, and of course that was
a loaded team. But you know, this is what he does.
He brings in these young eighteen nineteen year old blue
chip talents, guys who were playing big time college basketball
for the first time. You want to get him ready
for those major moments in March. The best way to
(27:22):
do that is to schedule, you know, a murderer's row
early in the season of non conference and get them
ready for those moments. So I think it's a great philosophy.
Now I want to pivot to a football for a
couple of minutes. We'll get back to the Panthers more
extensively a little bit later in the show. But as
I brought up Bryce Young and the fifth year option
as we were going to break immediately, I think it
(27:42):
was Hornet's Ron who texted in and said, well, that's
that's an opinion piece. It's not a report, and I said, yeah,
we're aware. That's actually the first point that I'm going
to make. I think it was Underdog Fantasy, the first
that I saw this morning that tweeted Graziano the Panthers
will pick up the fifth year option on on Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So everybody starts running with it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It turns into a trending topic on Twitter, and the
trending topic even says Panthers to pick up fifty year
option on QB Bryce Young. What Dan Graziano actually said
is that he was in Carolina this weekend, actually saw
him in the press box, and that you know, he
had conversations with people, and that he expects the Panthers
to pick up the fifth year option on Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
So that's what he said.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's not a hey report, the Panthers are doing this,
that's not but that's certainly the way that it was
run with online, in the way that some people have
talked about it.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So I just want to make that distinction.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I also, at this moment in time, like sitting here
on Wednesday, December the third, if I'm Dan Morgan and
I have to make the decision today, which you don't.
You have until May to make this call. I'm picking
up the fifth year option on Bryce Young. Like to me,
it's a no brainer. You're picking up the fifth year
option on Bryce Young. And we can, of course talk
(28:57):
about bringing in veteran competition, and you know, some people
even want to draft one in the third or fourth round,
and that's fine. We could talk about all that, But
in terms of what to do about Bryce, there is
no official report. But I think that's exactly where this
thing is going right now. You have until May. Now
the next four games are still evaluation in data points.
(29:20):
Bryce goes out and plays well well, it becomes a
no brainer even more so, and you're probably even talking
extension at that point. If he goes out and they
finished three and want and make the playoffs, that's a
very different conversation than if they go one and three
down the stretch and he throws more picks than touchdown passes,
and they limp to the finish.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So I don't know what more to say about it
than that.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
But does anybody vehemently or is anyone vehemently opposed to
picking up the fifth year option on Bryce Young? Reportedly,
that would be I think twenty six and a half
million dollars for that fifth year, given the fact that
top end starting quarterbacks right now are making fifty five
to sixty million dollars a year, and by the way,
(30:00):
that number will only continue to go up so long
as the salary cap goes up. Twenty six and a
half million dollars to pick up the fifth year option
to save yourself some money long term if he continues
to progress and get better.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Doesn't that sound like good business? Yeah? That does sound
like good efficient business.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
And it gives you more time to evaluateight, Yeah, your quarterback.
The fifth year option is essentially just a it's a
fail safe. It's kind of like an extra layer to
protect someone in case you're falling down.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's like, all right, I got this to you know,
fall back on here.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
It's you know, kind of what they say in the
business world, a rainy day fund potentially, and it also
gives you more time to evaluate the quarterback, because that
was the thing that so many people complained about when
Sam Donald got traded.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Here was immediately sight unseen.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
After they traded for Sam Donald, Scott Fitter, you know,
added the fifth year option for Sam Donald, and a
lot of people once they saw Sam Donald were immediately.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Like, why they give him the fifth year option?
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Well, for as much as I can, you know, nitpick
everything that Scott Fitter did, and believe me, there's a
lot of stuff he did. That's something that people should
have never been nitpicking Scott Fitter over is the fact
that he put a fifth year option on the guy.
Because what would have happened if Sam Darnold came here
in twenty twenty one and then he bawled out in
the twenty twenty one season. Oh crap, we have to
pay him immediately, and then we're talking franchise tag, which
(31:24):
is more than a fifth year option, and then you're
trying to get the deal done, and you basically put
yourself in a similar situation to what Washington was with
Kirk Cousins. So it's just a way to get more time,
the way to negotiate. You start, you have your starting
point at this point in the off season, while you
have that fifth year option in the back of your hand,
and then with that time you evaluate him more. And
(31:44):
then you also talk with his agent to see if
you can come find some middle ground to where they'll
both agree on the deal.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's what it is.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
It's essentially a business tactic to make sure that you
can start the conversations of an extension or get more.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Time on seven four five, seven ninety six ten the
airline pilot saying common sense says, do the fifth year
option gives us flexibility to evaluate Bryce, see if he's
worth big money or if we need to move on
or develop his replacement. TC's saying, Carolina's future with Bryce
is what's going on with Arizona and Murray. He's just
good enough for you not to be good enough. I mean,
(32:18):
I think you could maybe argue that right now, but
he continues overall to trend up like it is absolutely
you know, wild swings week to week sometimes right now,
but I mean, overall, you still feel like they're collectively
moving in the right direction. As the team has gotten
better around him, the results have gotten better. His results
you know, I think are getting better, but I want
(32:40):
to see how he plays down the last four down
the stretch here in these final four games, I think
everybody does seven oh four, five, seven, ninety six to ten.
Hit us up on the FanDuel text line. Right now
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Speaker 2 (32:50):
Who is smoke? Where is smoke? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Let's go what you got, all right, Kyle?
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Pre big news coming out of the NBA over the
last twelve hours. First, Chris Paul's retirement tour is on
(33:23):
a sabbatical right now. Why Because the Clippers released him
at three in the morning, and part of the reason why,
a cordon to sham Serani was that his leadership style
clash with.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
The Clippers, sources told ESPN.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Paul has been vocal in holding management, coaches and players accountable,
which the team felt was disruptive to their team.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
As this is who the guys always been, though, What
did they think they were getting when they signed him
to this retirement tour contract back in July?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
What did you think you were getting?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He's what you just called him a legendary Clipper in
the statement Lawrence Frank.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Did, Yeah, he's but you know who he is.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
You know what he's like inside the locker room. So
I mean they kind of embarrassed the guy. You had
to do this to one of your biggest legends ever.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And you just send him home and you're done with him. Jeez.
Not a good pr move.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
But hey, Chris, if you want to come to your
real home state, I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Just saying, yeah, I think he calls California.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Home now, Okay, fine, Anyways, speaking of home, Jannis didn't
a Compo could be looking for a new home. It
was reported earlier today by Brian Windhorsed. Apparently Jannis has
been asking for a trade since before the season, and
now Schaum's right as our show started, tweeted out that
Giannis is looking for a new home. Not really shocking
considering how the last few years of Bucks basketball has gone.
(34:43):
Between their firing of Adrian Griffin on the moment's notice
and then hiring Doc Rivers and the fact that the
Dame Lillard trade crashed and burned. It just feels like
he wants to end his career elsewhere where. He's still
competing for a championship.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Giannis to Charlotte, No, not even a second thought. Huh,
he's above thirty. If this was like twenty five, twenty sixty, Honus,
I'd be like, maybe go all in, but we're not
at that point. Is there any package you think that
would be a I'm just thinking out loud.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Cleveland might No, I'm talking about from Charlie.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
They could be the third team like they weren't a cat,
So you want to facilitate again. Okay, that's probably what
they're thinking.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
What listen, we'll come back. We'll talk some hoopes with
Charles Lee. Horn its head coach. We got a lot
to catch up on. They've got the Knicks tonight and
Madison Square Garden tip off at seven thirty. Head coach
Charles Lee joins me next Sports Radio ninety two seven,
WFNZ Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z KB and
(35:54):
smoke back with you here on a busy Wednesday at
ChIL Wednesday, And don't forget coming up Michael Dricklin, the
senior vice president of football for the Atlantic Coast Conferences, Back,
we got the ACC title game coming up here in
the Queen City on Saturday, and at five o'clock, our
boy Roman Harper, two time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl champion,
SEC Network analyst. But also don't forget six thirty tonight
(36:15):
Hornets pregame here on the flagship We've got you as
the Hornets visit the Knicks at Madison Square Garden and
joining us now. The head coach of your Charlotte Hornets,
Charles Lee, back for one of his weekly chats.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Coach, what's going on? How's the big city? How's the
Big Apple?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Big Apple is cold, but it's it's been pretty good
to us so far.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Love it just is it?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
You're all stars, You're an NBA coach, you coach NBA player,
so you guys are all a really big deal. But
seeing con Ka Nipple on the late on the Jimmy
Fallon Show last night was that bizarre?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
What'd you think?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Well, unfortunately I didn't get to see it. Too late
for me. I try to stay up and watch and like,
all of a sudden, sounds like we have a different
guest coming on, and I'm like, it's already eleven fifty.
It is late. I gotta get ready for the game
from But I'm very excited for con. It was a
good day for him, obviously being announced the NBA's Eastern
Conference Rookie of the Month and then having an opportunity
(37:09):
to go on to Fallon and the type of person
he is, he's obviously excited about it and appreciative and grateful,
but he stays humble and understands the importance of his
teammates helping him have this type of success. So far
early in his NBA career.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
He's been awesome. I do have a question about him
because a couple of weeks ago, the Panthers had what,
you know, sports fans might call a bad loss to
the Saints, and after that, a couple of Panthers players
remarked about maybe a not so great week of practice
or preparation and focus going into that game. One was
a rookie, and you know, there were some backlash to that.
Some talk about the dynamics of the locker room after
(37:46):
your loss to Brooklyn kan Ka Nipple just said he
felt like the team didn't, you know, compete and go
hard enough in that game and was disappointed by that
as a rookie who's not even midway through his rookie year.
Are you good with that as a head coach that
do you want those rookie stepping out and expressing those
sorts of things.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, I would say it's not even a rookie thing,
a vet thing to me, It's just a player ownership
thing or player accountability. They have to ultimately take ownership
of what they want the identity of this team to
be every night. You know, as much as the coaches
and the GM, the president, the ownership group might have
this vision and what we say, and we have to
(38:24):
model those behaviors, but we need the players to obviously
carry it out and I think they have to model
it themselves, but they also have to hold each other
accountable and whoever that is, they know our standards are
to compete at a high level, to play together at
a high level. And we showed during the weekend when
you win that back to back that we can do it,
and you know we've done it throughout the whole year.
(38:45):
But we have to be able to sustain it, and
I think just during that Brooklyn game, we did some
really good things. We put ourselves in a position to
have an eleven point lead, and then our identity started
to I think fizzle as the game went on, and
like that to conscredit, he doesn't want to see that
going forward, and definitely have his back when he talks
(39:05):
about that, because our process and our identity are really
important to us.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
You've talked a lot about consistency this year, clearly after
a tough loss to the Knicks. So you'll see tonight
your team bounced back, you won two straight, You swept
it back to back against a couple of teams with
winning records. That Toronto Raptors were scorching hot. So how
do you characterize the Brooklyn game? Is it a letdown?
Was it too many mental miscues? But like, how would
you how did you frame that game for your guys
(39:29):
after it happened?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah, I would say after in the heat of the battle,
post game, and then I went back and watched, and
our staff went back and watched, and we felt pretty
much the same. I give Brooklyn credit for how they played. Again,
I think we did a lot of really good things
to build that eleven point lead, and we came out
with the fire that we needed to the physicality, the competitiveness,
and ball was kind of popping around and moving well,
(39:52):
and Mellow set a tone for us, and I think
had eight assists in the first half and finished with
like fourteen, So he definitely was trying to play the
right way. But I do think that when you go
back and watch and you try to summise it, orter
Junior had a good night and there are things that
we could have done a little bit better. And then
to me, offensively, we just didn't make the right pass play,
(40:13):
the right read, the selfless play enough times offensively, and
we took some tough contested jumpers. And we know as
a defense that's what we want to try to force
other teams into because statistically is not good, but it
also does something to that other team's spirit when you
don't have the great ball movement and stuff. And we
fell into that, and I think that it ended up
(40:33):
hurting us, and it hurt a little bit of our
team spirit as we went through that game. And so
that's that's kind of how I surmised it to the group,
and I think that will be better tonight. Whenever you
kind of challenge these guys to get back on track.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
All correct me if I'm wrong here, because I don't
have the stat in front of me, but my producer
pulled it yesterday. I think this is right. But again,
you would know better than I would. I think in
his last sixty games, LaMelo shooting something like forty percent
from the floor. Struggling a little bit right now to
get shots to go down. Clearly he's back and forth
from injury. That's no doubt had some sort of impact.
But how do you get him going? How do you
help him out on that front?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yeah, the thing I tell him to kind of focus
on those shot opportunities will will, They'll be what they are.
And I think that he does a great job of
creating shots for himself. I think his teammate's doll a
really good job sometimes of hitting him for open catch
and shoot opportunities. I have to obviously make some play
calls that helped put him in a really good position,
but I also just want him to focus on what
(41:26):
are the other ways I can impact the game. Even
if my shots stop falling. There's still like the big
defensive play that he came up with versus Toronto that
helped us pull out Chicago. That helped us pull out
that game, the rebounding, some of his passing, So there
are other ways to impact the game even without scoring,
and I think that he's starting to realize that, which
has helped our group the last few games.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I know Brandon's already been listed as out for tonight's game.
This will be back to back missus for him. Anything
we should know there any update on his health status right.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Now, Yeah, I would say he's, you know, trending in
a good direction every day. His symptoms are improving. It's
all kind of part of the just daily evaluation of
our guys that are coming back from injury and just
making sure they're at the place where when we put
them out there, they can play free, they can play confident,
and you know all the Nix and Bruges want affect
(42:17):
their availability going forward. So I think that our performance
staff and Brandon have done a really good job of
just trying to set him up for the best possible
case of games played.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I looked out in the fourth quarter the other night.
I think you had a rotation of Antonio Reeves, Liam McNeely,
Collin sextancy on James, and I'm forgetting the fifth at
the moment. You know your roster a hell of a
lot better than I do. But how much how much
are you tinkering right now? Because I'll be honest, that's
not a rotation or a lineup, brother that I would
necessarily expect to see in the middle of a tight
ball game in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, you know, some of it's tinkering, But some of
it is what we talked about it a little earlier
in this conversation of just trying to get our team
to recognize the importance of sticking to our identity. And
you know, when we talk about who we want to be,
the actions have to follow, and when those actions don't
follow at times, the best way for people to learn
(43:10):
sometimes is to have to come out of the game,
and when that happens, you end up with some lineups
like that. So some of it is the flow of
the game, and some of it's in the effort I
think to just try to make sure that we are
all focused on the right things and focused on trying
to be who we want to be, because when we
do do those things, we're actually a really good team.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
All right, last thing. We'll get you out of here.
You just saw the Knicks didn't go your way last week.
Clearly it was a motivating factor for the next two.
You got a chance at revenge tonight. What should it
look like?
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, transition defense has to be a lot better. You know,
I think we gave up like twenty six points or
somewhere in that area. We got to be better there,
and some of that, to me, it was just a
lack of urgency and sometimes effort and communication. So I
expect us to be a lot better in that area.
And then in the half court, guarding Brunson and guarding
(43:59):
Towns will be big for us too. And then offensively,
like I said, I just want to see us keep
playing the right way. One like, when our pace and
our ball movement are in a good spot, it puts
us in the spot to have a really high shot quality.
And then we're one of the best offensive rebounding teams
in the league. And I think that that relentlessness and
then the selflessness to be able to kick out for
some dagger threes or other opportunities has really helped our offense.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Love it, Thank you, coach. Best of luck tonight. We'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Thank you, Kyle, talk to you so much.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Coach Charles Lee with us today here on wfn Z.
Tip Off tonight in New York at seven thirty pregame
at six thirty tonight. We'll talk about what he just
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