The Kyle Bailey Show H1: Unwarranted Reputations

In the show's opening hour, Kyle looks at the continued criticism involving Bill Belichick at UNC and with people pumping up the theory that Belichick would be nothing without Brady, Kyle wonders which coaches and players think have unwarranted reputations.

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Good afternoon, Queen City Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ.
Back on a Wednesday. It's the middle of the week.
We start to head downhill today toward the weekend. Week
four for the Panthers, Week five of college football, a
lot to talk about and coming up. In forty five minutes,
Nick Cattles of the Locked On Patriots Podcast, we start
to talk a bit more about this weekend's opponent in Foxboro,

(00:49):
the New England Patriots, led by one of our own,
Drake May, coming off a rough loss. They're kind of
a mess up there in New England. But they, you know,
they hired a new head coach, They've sunk a lot
of money in free agency. They've you know, felt like
they should be a better team, and maybe they are,
maybe they will be. It's early yet in the NFL season.
Still a lot to learn about all these teams, but

(01:09):
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One call, that's all go to Cvinjurylaw dot com. Cvinjurylaw
dot Com. One thing I'm going to bring up with
Nick Cattle's coming up at three forty five, Just curious.
I have you know I don't tune into a ton
of Boston media these days. I typically do in the
week leading up and of course the Monday after anytime
these teams get together or the Hornets and Celtics get together.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm a radio junkie.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Like a lot of people, haven't listened much this week,
but I was very tuned in, you know, months ago,
especially when the the tar Heels hired Bill Belichick, and
that I mean, of course says you would expect, really
dominated the news cycle up in Boston for a number
of days, weeks even, and they've been pretty invested up
there and seeing what Bill Belichick does post New England

(02:14):
and so we'll talk about that with Nick. But it's
also been really interesting this week is we brought up
Belichick and the two and two start and being outscored
I believe a combined eighty two to twenty three by
the only Power Four teams they've faced so far this season.
You know what that all means? And taking the phone
calls It turned into a really hot segment, couple of
segments the other day. And while we were taking you know,

(02:36):
those calls and having that conversation really specifically about what
the Heels are, what they aren't, if Belichick can turn
things around. You heard the conversation in a likelihood if
you're not. If you didn't, we'll probably come back to it.
But we had a lot of people text in several saying,
I don't know what y'all expected, and I don't know
that it was toward us so much as maybe some

(02:56):
Heels fans, but said, you know, it's obvious that this
point that Bill Belichick was carried by Tom Brady. You
know it's obvious at this point Brady went on to
win another title with Bruce Arians and Tampa. Belichick floundered,
ended up leaving New England pretty much a I guess
a mutual parting of ways. But they were ready to
move on and a lot of people saying that Belichick,

(03:17):
we've learned, is now overrated or was never.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
As good as we thought he was.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Basically, he's got an undeserved reputation as the greatest coach
of all time. And it got me thinking, and of
course we can have that discussion too, But I started
thinking about and I know sports fans love these types
of discussions and debates, who are the athletes and coaches
that have the most undeserved reputations in your mind? Seven
oh four five, seven ninety six ten. We'll take these

(03:42):
throughout the course of the show. We'll talk about all
the latest news, of course, but this is one of
those kind of themed questions that I think makes for
an interesting conversation. Athletes and coaches now or in history
that had the most undeserved reputations, and I'll say good
or bad. I feel like a lot of people will
air on the side of, you know, overr gets too
much credit, and that's fine, but we can also go

(04:03):
with guys who you feel like have undeserved reputations in
a negative way, who are better or is deserved more
credit than they get. And you know, I start with
Bill Belichick. But as I brought this up to Smoke
the other day, I also thought smoke immediately of Derek Jeter,
which will enrage Yankees fans, right if I bring that up,
But they've heard it all before that if he didn't
play in New York, we wouldn't think of Derek Jeter

(04:24):
the same way that we do. He was the captain
of the New York Yankees in pinstripes. But you know,
he's really not one of the best five to ten
shortstops of all time. He's not this, He's not that.
As I was thinking about undeserved reputations in sports, smoke,
Derek Jeter was one of the first names that came
to mind, just in terms of a sizeable number of
people that will argue that and against his reputation and

(04:46):
his legacy. Now you're a Boston Red Sox fan, refresh
my memory or are you one of those?

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Some ways, I still think he's an all time great.
I mean, he passed Hannas Wagner on the all time
hits list three thousand hits. I don't think it. He
would have gotten nearly as much attention if he was
in Cincinnati. I think you would have gotten revered, but
I don't think you would have been revered to the
level that he's a cultural icon essentially.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, So again, so you're thinking again along those lines
that this guy was a Yankee, he was the captain.
You know, he doesn't get that kind of credit, or
he doesn't maybe get the legendary status the myth of
Derek Jeter if he plays for the Milwaukee Brewers or
the Cleveland Indians. My apologies, the Cleveland Guardians or you
get the point, right, is that one of them. I'll

(05:29):
give you another one that I was thinking of, Phil Jackson.
Phil Jackson is another guy who has the reputation of
being the greatest basketball coach of all time. Right, greatest
basketball coach of all time. Eleven rings don't happen by accident.
He was the innovator of zen, of mindfulness, of team
culture in some ways in the National Basketball Association. So

(05:53):
it's hard to argue with eleven rings. But you and
I both know that the Phil Jackson detractors and skeptics
will tell you, well.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
I mean, look who he coached.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I mean, the guy always had a Michael Jordan, a
Scottie Pippen, a Kobe Bryant, a Shaquille O'Neal. He had
text Winner running the triangle offense. He struggled in that
role with the Knicks as an executive, and you know,
it cast doubt toward the end of his basketball career
on that genius narrative as it relates to Phil Jackson.
I don't think we hear that one nearly as much

(06:21):
now as there's been a lot of distance in time
between the end of Phil Jackson's time in the NBA
and now.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
But it's very it.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Is somewhat Belichickian in how you can look back and
try to nitpick the man's legacy and his reputation and say, well,
he had Michael, he had Kobe, he had Shack, he
had Pippin, he had text Winner running the triangle offense,
because that was in fact, Tex Winners triangle offense. What
do you think about the Phil Jackson criticism, because I
know that's not a new narrative to you either.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
He did it twice. Now, that's the thing that I
have to say.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
You know, you can the only thing you can really
point at him is his front office career with the Knicks,
which was an unmitigated disaster, but the fact that he
did it twice with two different teams, Like because on
the Bulls team he didn't have a superstar center.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
With the Lakers, he did.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
So I understand people feeling froggy on that front, but
I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna, you know,
stick my neck out for that one. There is one,
there's two. Actually I'm going one positive, one negative. Let
me get the negative out of way first, then negative.
And I think he got exposed in the late nineties.
Mike Ditka as a head coach.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh that's good.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
He just was not cut out to be a head coach.
He just got there at the right place at the
right time. Also, Buddy Ryan as a Buddy Ryan as
a defensive coordinator was a gift to the gods with
that four to six defense. And once Buddy Ryan left,
it slowly kind of you know, went away the defense
once the guys got older, and you know, the Bears
had a couple of good runs, but then they'd lose
to the forty nine ers. If he was as great

(07:53):
of a coach. He wouldn't have to be a full
time general manager and coach and completely waste away New
Orleans with that stupid trade for Ricky Williams and having
guys like Billy Joe Tolliver as his quarterback.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah no, that's fair, that's fair. TC just said Phil
Jackson might be number one on this list. He coached
all timers. He had Dennis Rodman. That's why I brought
it up, because again, you will have people that will
tell you that Phil Jackson is not as good as
he's as people will lead you to believe, you know,
because he had all time greats AJ pointing out he
also won two more with the Kobe and palgas all teams,

(08:25):
which he absolutely did, but that will still go back
to he had Kobe, you know, one of the five
greatest players in NBA history in his prime, right, he
had that. So again, I'm just presenting the arguments that
you're going to hear, and many of them. You know,
you're longtime sports fans, you get this stuff. A few
more of these just came in that I think are
really really good. Mountain Mac just said Joe Namath and
that's one that probably won't resonate.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
As much with the younger audience it does with me.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I know it does with you, and it will with
a lot of longtime football fans because Joe Namath is
a wildly entertaining guy and was a good football player.
But he had a career touchdown to interception ratio of
one seventy three to two twenty.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think even in that era thatl was pre right.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Even in that era, sixty two point six career passer
rating like those numbers are ugly by any era standards.
I think we all get that he had one iconic
super Bowl that overshadows a largely otherwise mediocre football career. Now,
Joe Namath also helped to transform the image of the
AFL and helped to force the NFL merger, so he
was instrumental in that. Played through injuries in a more

(09:23):
brutal era of football, so we can be honest about
that too. But Joe Namath is a guy who absolutely
people will point to and say that his reputation as
an all time great is not necessarily deserved.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
And I'll keep it on the same city in New York.
But I want to go to the opposite way in
to positive and I've said this one before on the airwave,
So if you've been a longtime listener, that doesn't shock you.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Don matticgally doesn't get his just do as a player.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
The fact that, you know, for all the whole Yankee
bias thing, that guy's still not in the Hall of
Fame is a joke. MVP, six time All Star, nine
time Gold Glove, three time Silver Slugger, batting title, Major
League Player, Toy Year, and Manager of the Year and
only gotten to play in one playoff series because he
was with the Yankees here in their worst era ever
in modern history. Yet he averaged three oh seven as

(10:10):
a batting average, Kyle over two thousand hits, two hundred
twenty two home runs, and even in the playoffs he
did play in, was actually pretty good even though the
Yankees loss. Yet you never hear people really talk about
it because immediately following his retirement, they start winning, They
start winning the World Series. Don mattically never gets his
just due the fact that he's not in cooper'stown as
a joke.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
That part we one hundred percent agree on seven oh
four five, seven ninety six ten. Talking about athletes and
coaches who have the most undeserved reputations. And you can
go either way with this, good or bad, and you
can say this equates to either overrated or underrated, and
that's fine. But this came up the other day as
we were discussing Bill Belichick and Carolina kind of a slow,
ugly start to his tenure, and a lot of people

(10:52):
texting in saying, well, hey, but we should have known this.
This has been known that Bill Belichick was not as
instrumental to the Patriots run as Tom Brady was. We
know that now with hindsight. You know, I forget what
people cite his record to be without Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's out there.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's slightly below five hundred, which you know a lot
of people look at and say, well, that's damning in
and of itself. In some ways, yes, but in other
ways no, it's a complimentary sport. You need all pieces
firing on all cylinders. I mean, you've heard all the
things that get said about that, But it does raise
an interesting conversation about a whole lot of former coaches
and athletes and even some current ones as well. Mike
D'Antoni came in a minute ago. Mike D'Antoni never reached

(11:29):
the NBA Finals despite being an offensive genius. Critics say
the seven seconds or less system doesn't win playoff basketball, right,
saying that he was always overrated. But on the flip
side of that, you know, modern NBA pace in space
offense is trace kind of right back to his teams
in Phoenix, and he did develop multiple MVPs in those systems,

(11:50):
like Steve Nash and James Harden. So, you know, we
talked about this when the Hornets were reportedly discussing their
head coaching opening before they took Charles Lee a couple
of years or whenever, it was a year and a half.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
A lot of thing. I think you got your coaching
mix ups wrong. Are you sure about that? D'Antoni came
up when they hired Arnde.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, it was both. It was both. D'antoni's name came
up both times. I'm pretty sure. I'm sorry I've gotten
lost in all my coaching. It has been a lot. No,
it's been a lot. I'll forgive you on that. But yeah,
Mike d'antoni's a really interesting case study in undeserved reputations
because yeah, I mean, they didn't do the ultimate level
of winning in Phoenix that it seemed like they were
flirting with for a number of years, but then you

(12:27):
look back and the offensive numbers were again pretty tremendous,
and he did develop some pretty great players inside that system.
Seven oh four, five, seven oh ninety six ten hit
us up on the fan duel text line Troy Aikman
has come in a couple of times seven oh four
numbers saying Troy Aikman terrible. Well, you know that one

(12:49):
has been hotly contested, if you want to call it that.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I've actually sawt in my stance a little bit you have.
Why is that?

Speaker 4 (12:56):
I honestly look back in what he did there in
those playoff games, and even though he didn't put up
the most gaudy stat lines when you needed the most,
he actually came through clutch And yeah, you could say
a lot of things, but I also think his numbers
got hindered in the back half of.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
His career due to his concussions.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, so I honestly have kind of softened the Detroititmann
overrated stance, Like I don't think enough people know they
were still making a playoffs and contending for playoff spots
with Chan Gaily.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
And here's the argument with Troy, right, and we'll go
to the numbers. First, never led the league in any
point in his career in major passing categories, yards, touchdowns,
QB rating any of that, only had one season with
more than twenty touchdown passes just one, and had a
career passer rating of eighty one point six, which even
by standards of the nineteen nineties. And we all understand

(13:50):
that offenses then were very different than they are now.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
It wasn't gaudy.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
He wasn't gaudy. It was actually pretty middle of the road.
So he was also surrounded by an all time roster
in EMMITTT. Smith and Michael Irvin and guys like that.
But like at the same time, he also was eleven
and four in the playoffs, three ring or three Super
Bowl rings, obviously.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Least one of the better Super Bowl performances of all
time against the Bills, won.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
An MVP Trophy in that game two seventy three through
two hundred and seventy three passing yards, four touchdowns. So yes,
he was on a loaded team, but when those moments
were the biggest and the lights shine the brightest, Troy
Aikman quite often did step up and make big plays?

Speaker 4 (14:27):
And what happened and when did the Cowboys officially fall off?
They were still contending until Trouman's last concussion in two thousand,
when they were trying to piece it together with Anthony
Wright and Randall Cunningham.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
An old Randall.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Cunningham, who was officially his little revival had ended after
the ninety eight because remember Cunningham got benched a year
after they made DNFC championship game in Minnesota and Jeff
George outplayed him.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Oh, I just saw another one that'll make you happy,
because as I brought this up to you off the air,
I guess this was yes yesterday. One of the first
names that you said was Doc Rivers, but I think
you also added some context, like it's changed over the years.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
If this was ten years ago, I think Doc Rivers
would be a perfect answer. But everyone kind of knows
to deal now with Doc Rivers.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, one title in twenty five years, right, one in
two thousand and eight with the Big Three, Garnett Pierson
Allen anythings possible, but has never been back to the finals,
despite coaching multiple teams with multiple superstars.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
And multiple blew and three one leads.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, yeah, historic series collapses. Only coach in NBA history
to lose three separate series after leading three to one
did so with Orlando in two thousand and three, the
Clippers in twenty fifteen, and the Clippers again in twenty twenty.
Multiple blown three to two leads in playoff series with
Philadelphia and LA and along the way, coach guys like

(15:48):
Tracy McGrady, Chris Paul, Blake, Griffin, embiid Harden, we mentioned Garnett, Pierson,
Allen like Hawhy as any head coach and maybe outside
of Phil Jackson, And I'm not even sure that it's
right coached more superstar talent than Doc Rivers throughout the
course of an NBA coaching career.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I'm not sure they have O Kyle you from you?
Are you know ingratiated to a family from the northeast?
I think Red Hour I'm married. Well yeah, Red hourback
would like trying to save your behine. I don't care
about all that, but listen, I mean it's the same organization.
Yeah that I think he could lay claim to that too.
But yeah, Doc Rivers, you brought this up yesterday when
I first mentioned this, this topic, like Yeah, he's going

(16:26):
to be in this conversation, no doubt about it. Ron
Rivera has come in seven oh four numbers saying that
he's underrated as it relates to his undeserved reputation. Underrated
for Ron Rivera, I honestly think he's properly rated. Two
time coach a year. Yeah, I don't really think that's now, okay,
unless his tenyurre in Washington. It could have gone a

(16:48):
lot worse, but it could also could have gone a
lot better.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I mean, so okay. I like that.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
A lot of people will also fight back by saying
he wasn't the same without Cam if we're talking about
this whole Bill belichicking and Ron Rivera.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
So no, I think he's probably radio okay. We got
a bunch of these coming in. Jimmy Johnson and NASCAR
just came in from Sergeant Pepper a minute ago. Terry
Bradshaw just came in from Trey and Mint City. Bobby
Cox has made an appearance multiple times, and I've seen
a whole lot of George Seaffert on the FanDuel text line.
We'll come back, we'll talk about some of these. We'll
take a bunch of phone calls, phone lines filling up.

(17:20):
We'll get to these next, and of course we talk
Panthers in Patriots Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Live from the.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Chandler Voulta Studios, the Carolina's personal injury lawyers. One call,
that's all go to Cvinjury Law dot com KB and Smoke,
it's a busy Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Ahead.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
We've got Nick Cattle's of the Locked On Patriots podcast
coming up in twenty minutes. We'll look ahead to Week
four against New England in Foxbro and see what he thinks.
As someone who talks Patriots literally every day of the
week on the Locked On Patriots podcast, He's seen every snap,
he talks about the team every day, We'll see what
he thinks at three point forty five. Right now, we're
talking about the most undeserved reputations in sports history, Bill

(18:12):
Belichick at Carolina. There's been a lot this week, and Smoke,
I don't know if you have the audio today, but
we can certainly get it for later. Seems like there
are a lot of former coaches who are now suddenly
very willing to criticize Bill Belichick vocally for what's going
on at North Carolina. Including former North Carolina defensive coordinator
and former National Championship winning coach at Auburn, Gene Chiswick,

(18:32):
who had some really I thought genuine thoughts, not most
of them flattering about Bill Belichick. In Carolina, John Gruden's
cracked some jokes about the Jordan Hudson situation. So you know,
all of a sudden, it's feeling more and more like
open season on Bill Belichick given the start that they've
gotten off to. But as we discussed this two days ago,
we had people texting in saying, guys, we knew this already.
Look at his record without Tom Brady. Look at the

(18:54):
way the Patriots looked with Belichick after Brady left. Did
you really think that you were getting the greatest coach
of all time that was going to come in and
dominate the acc The just being that he's overrated, that
he has an undeserved reputation according to a lot of people,
So makes for an interesting conversation. But who, in addition
to Belichick do you think has the most undeserved reputation

(19:15):
in sports? And that can go both ways. It can
be overrated underrated. That's fine. We're taking a lot of
responses right now on the fan duel text line. But
let me take some phone calls.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
First.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
We have Mike from the same Morsville. What's going smoke?
What's going on here? With the phone lines? I've got
different Mike from the same Morsville.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
What's happens? What he wanted to be known as?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Okay, different Mike from the same morsvillel Right, a dirty
mo fellow, dirty moe Ian.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
That doesn't work? All right, Morresvillian, we got different mic.
What's up? Mike? How are you hey?

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Do it well?

Speaker 6 (19:43):
And I noted, did you.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Guys have a regular caller that is Mike from Morris Boy? Oh?
Then with Mike from Moorsville? So, uh, it's a it's
a different mic, but from the same town of Mooreesville.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
Love it, which I think you live.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
In now, KB.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
It's good to hear from you.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Yeah, getting to hear from you.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
I had two coaches.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
That were overrated number one, and I've heard this while
I was on hold. George Seffert has been mentioned numerous times,
and uh, that was the first thought that came to
my mind. Uh, you know, being there in ninety four
when San Francisco won the Super Bowl and Bill Walsh

(20:36):
had turned it over to Seaffert. Look at look at
what he had Steve Young, Jerry, Rice, Carol Owens or
Terrell however you want to say it, Dion Sanders, you know,
just a corn copy of talent. And then when.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
He came to the.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Panthers, it was like, oh God, what did we do?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (21:01):
And uh and so that one was pretty easy.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
And this one is going to fall in into the
same kind of kind of category as Phil Jackson. But
it's actually John Wooden at U c l A. Is overrated.
Uh because at the time, in the late sixties. Uh,

(21:27):
and uh, up until the mid seventies, he had.

Speaker 8 (21:31):
So much talent.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
I mean he had Lou Austen or al Sender. Uh,
he had Bill Walton, he had again, yeah, horcopy of
talent there. And so I'm wondering what he would have done.
And uh, before I go, I want to say that
I was listening to the previous show and they were

(21:57):
uh really hyping up canalists and also Bryce after one win.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
And I think.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
The Panther is gonna eat some humble pie.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Oh well, ho ho are you are you not a
Panthers fan or are.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
You I'm actually a Falcons fan.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh my, I get out of here, man.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I listen, different Mike from the same mors Well, you
got to go on that one, buddy. I was enjoying
the conversation all the way up until you turn and
told me, well, we colony can't give these guys credit.
You're a Falcons fan. Come on, man, each your crow.
I gave you more time. And by the way, different
Mike Saint Morswell, my neighbor. Good, good to hear from you,
good to meet you. I gave you a lot of
time there, and then you had to go and sour

(22:46):
the call by telling us that you know, Dave Canalis
and Bryce Young get zero credit for a win, and
then tell me you're a Falcons fan at the end.
Come on now, that's just come on. The Wooden thing
is kind of interesting though, because like nobody ever goes
at John Wooden, no one ever questioned the legacy of
John Wooden doesn't happen. He did have a massive talent advantage,
no question. UCLA was in southern California talent rich region,

(23:07):
and we did find out after the fact that longtime
UCLA booster Sam Gilbert was later shown to a provided
players with improper financial benefits at UCLA, So it wasn't
all entirely on the up and up. I got to
put that out there, but otherwise John wouldn't absolutely legendary.
Let's go to Frank from Waxaw on next. Frank from Waxhaw.
What's going on, brother?

Speaker 8 (23:24):
How you been good, Kaby? How are you doing, sir?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I'm good. What's on your mind?

Speaker 8 (23:29):
Looking forward to seeing you on Sunday?

Speaker 2 (23:31):
For those that don't know, Mac and I will be
live at the Fort Mill location of Twin Peaks Sunday
for the Panthers pregame coverage ahead of the Patriots game.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
So we're looking forward to seeing you, buddy.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
Yes, sir, Well, I'm gonna I got two things. One
is I'm I'm gonna squash your Jeter take go ahead, okay.
And so some people, you know, if you played for
the Yankees, if you played for the Cowboys, if you
played for the Dodgers, you're over exposed by the media,
which doesn't mean you're overrated. Sure, baseball's been around one
hundred and twenty years and Derek Jeter is on his

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six on the all time hits list. Yep, So so
I don't know how that could ever be overrated, since
only five more players have more hits to him in
his entire career, and we all know about how cluch
he was on game time. The other thing is Mike
Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since a twenty sixteen season,

(24:24):
and he is always portrayed as a disciplinarian kind of
guy who has had more drama in their wide receiver
group in the last decade than Mike Comlin.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Probably nobody, probably nobody.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
No, nobody. So you know the receiver we've got, I
forgot his name, the guy that refused to run routes
because he wants to get the ball.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Oh, Deontay Johnson.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
Yeah, yeah, and he's got there. And he made excuses
for the guy you know, you know at the press
conference and he played him the next week.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, Antonio Brown, George Pickens. Yeah, the list goes on.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
Yeah. So anyways, those are my thoughts. I look forward.
I'll have your wings ready for you.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
On you're the man, Thank you, buddy. I do love
those Twin Peaks wings.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
I do.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I'm a big fan, so does mac mc and I
house those wings every time we go uh Michigan. Vic
is up next on the phones, Vic, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Vic?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
You with us? Yeah, I'm here nothing. Do you want
a bicycle? What's going on?

Speaker 9 (25:17):
No?

Speaker 8 (25:18):
I'm driving?

Speaker 6 (25:18):
But you you cut out for a second. That's gonna
have five What happened there?

Speaker 8 (25:23):
But something about the overrated underrated.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
I'm always gonna say Wilt Chamberlain is underrated because people
gonna give him enough credit for the way that he
really changed the NBA. I think once you get past Jordan,
Kareem and Wilt, you can start arguing about who's the
fourth this player he had to be history. But now
let's talk about the panther, because you know what I said.
I said I wasn't picking him again until they want

(25:48):
to gain sure, right, yep? Okay, So I'm still figuring
out how I'm gonna assess this for Sunday. But if
you go back to what I said at the beginning
of the year, they had folks to do in September
in order to set themselves up to continue the development
that we wanted to see this year. Even if they
didn't make the playoffs this year, we say probably wouldn't

(26:09):
have and probably won't That's okay, we just don't want
another five and twelve. We don't want six and eleven.
We want to see at least seven wins, hopefully eight.
And this is a game that I think is key
towards that because, like you said, I ain't starting to
Drake May. I mean in Carolina, he was an excellent quarterback,
but this is the NFL. It's a different deal. They
don't have great pass protections.

Speaker 8 (26:30):
Wherever we heard that before.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
And they want to run the ball where we heard
that before. This is a game that the Panthers can win,
and I think they really in order to put themselves
in the best position for the development for the rest
of the year, they got to get this. They got
to learn to win on the road. This is a
winnable game. You got to win those winnable games on
the road when you got the chance. And it's their chance.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Okay, I like it. I appreciate the phone call. Man,
It did sound like you and your dog were hanging
your heads out the window during that phone call. I'm
not gonna lie to you. Somebody asked if he was
flying an open cockpit airplane while he was calling.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Into the show a minute ago.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I'll say this about Drake May. They didn't have a
great day last week against the Steelers. Drake wasn't bad though.
May Drake was twenty eight to thirty seven for two
sixty eight, two touchdowns and a pick. Now, he was
also sacked five times, and some of that's protection, some
of that's him. As I've gone back and looked at
the game a little bit. But you know, I still
think Drake's going to be a very good NFL quarterback.
And I still I think they still feel that way

(27:23):
up there in New England based on what I've heard.
But we'll talk to Nick. Cattle's coming up in about
ten minutes. Yeah, this game is obviously, they're all important.
What do you think about this spread in this game?
It's still holding strong at Patriots minus five and a half.
Patriots giving five and a half points in this game
at home?

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Does that seem right to you? I honestly thought it
would have been in minus three and a half. I
would have thought about the obligatory field goal myself, just
five for an NFL game, specifically with these two teams.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I don't know about that five. I don't know. Maybe
it's right.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I mean, listen, at it's very possible the Patriots win
by a touchdo down and cover, So it's not crazy.
It's a little bit bigger than I would have thought.
But again, there's also no faith in Carolina yet. I
think everybody across the NFL, including the odds makers, are
still looking at last week's result against Atlanta as an anomaly,
as something that almost nobody saw coming. But again, you

(28:17):
look at the Patriots on tape, they're a little bit
of a mess, and I know they're concerned up there
in Boston and New England about the way this team
has looked through the first couple of weeks. They're one
and two, just like the Panthers. So this was year
one of Rabel taking over. They had a boatload of
cap space last offseason. They spent a lot of it.
But I still think they lead the NFL in available

(28:37):
cap space right now. I haven't checked it in a
week or so, but I think New England's at the
top with about fifty five or sixty million dollars still
in available cap space. So they're still very much in
the early stages of what they think is the rebuild
up there.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
The main thing with them is they just want to
see Drake May continue to progress throughout the season, and
if they can get more wins than last year, they'll
be perfectly fine with that. Will Campbell's so far, I
think has done a very good job for them at
left tackle, their first round draft pick, and it's just
bringing things back to Belichick.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
The covered was very bare.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah when Demik or not Tomiko Ryans, but when Mayo
Gerroid Mayo got my co linebackers confused. Droid Mayo took
over the job last year and now Vabels So uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I'll tell you where I feel good about this is
Carolina secondary against these wide.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Receivers for New England definitely.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I mean, who are their top options in the passing
game right now, Stefan Diggs and Mac Hollins.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I mean you got Hunter Henry out there that he's
going Henfrey. Yeah, Hunter Henry when he's healthy concerns me.
In fact, that's sure. Dave Gettelman wanted in the twenty
sixteen draft.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, that's he has to be accounted for, no question
about a good football player. And with the linebacker situation
here with Carolina, it's definitely a concern. But when you
look at the corners and the way JC and Mike
Jack and shaw Smith wait to play to start the year.
Stefan Diggs is not the deep threat he used to be. No,
he's not the player he used to be. I don't
know if he's coming off the torny acol last year.
I don't know if he blamed Cardi B for this
or what. But uh age, yeah, maybe yeah, more than that.

(30:01):
Stephan Diggs ain't the player used to be. Mac Collins
is okay. I mean, he's a pretty good player, but
I love the way the secondary is playing right now,
and I like their chances against this new England receiving
corps on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Mac Collins he's a good player, but the problem is
you don't want him as your wide receiver two. If
he's your wide receiver two, you're not contending. At the
very least. He needs to be wide receiver three. Most
likely you feel comfortable with him as your wide receiver four.
But him as wide receiver two, I'm not scared of
him at all.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Let's go to the phone lines, Kareem not Abdul Jabbar
is back on the phones. What's going on, Kareem?

Speaker 8 (30:32):
What was going on? Let's winning today?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Same to you?

Speaker 7 (30:36):
Yeah, man, I wanted to just get into this discussion
about the overrated and underrated. Sure, and I've always felt
like in team sports, that's a state, you know, that's
really hard to fully say. You take Tom Brady. Everyone
says what Tom Brady did as he left New England,

(30:56):
but he went to Tampa Bay a team that was
already loaded with an offense to minded coach and Bruce
arians And when you look at that Super Bowl, he won,
like most of the Super Bowls, and Tom Brady, well,
they say he won, but it's a team game.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Again.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
Most of those Super Bowls were because of the team.
When they went and they beat the Chiefs, tom Brady
didn't have to do anything because the Bucks defense basically
dominated the entire game. It's almost the same discussion when
they bring up like em and Smith versus a Barry
Sanders or any other great running backs, and they always say, well,
Emit had the line and Emmy had this. And I've

(31:30):
always told people, yeah, but Emmitt also played in the
division that had three Super Bowl champions, three of them.
You know during that time, the Giants, the Redskins, and
the Cowboys will all win the Super Bowls at that
time versus Barry was in the division where you had
Green Bay that was doing decently, Tampa Bay wasn't doing anything,

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and Chicago really wasn't doing anything. So it's like, yeah,
the line was worse, but the division was worse. The
line was better, the division was better. You know again,
same thing with Brady. So I think it's hard to
really say who's overrated and underrated because Belichick did a
great job when he was in when I want to
say great, but a great, a pretty good job when
he was in Cleveland, when he fird got to New England,

(32:12):
being able to have those type of ration attacks with
Kevin Falk and Corey Dilan, the games that they came
up with, Like, it's really hard to say someone's overrated
based on the last year's because, like you just said,
the cover was really very Some of that falls on
him because he's the GM. But you know, it's hard
to say who's overrated and underrated.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Every things well and great phone call. I think you
make a great point about early Belichick in New England.
Brady doesn't win those those early Super Bowls, you know,
the first one, probably not even the first two without
those defenses. Now, Brady was of course the instrumental difference
in a handful of those later Super Bowls as time
went on. But yeah, early on, it was the rushing
attack in the defense, no question about it.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
All right.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Nick Cattles of the Locked On Patriots podcast is going
to stop by coming up in about six minutes. Right now,
we go to smoke on the headlines.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Who is smoke? Where is smoke? Where there's smoke, there's fire,
Let's go. What's you gonna do? All right?

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Well, news coming out from Charlotte Hornets earlier today they
have a new Jersey Patch partner, Kyle and it may
be poor to better. The franchise has security multi year
Jersey Patch partnership with the newly rebranded medical tech company
Judy Health.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
What is Judy Health? Who is Judy Judge Judy? I
don't know it's a.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Judy Judy Judy Judy. Sorry, g you watched a lot
of Andy Griffith growing up? You don't get it to you?

Speaker 8 (33:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I do? Okay, goober? Do you watch a lot of
Andy Griffith growing up?

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Us?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yes? Okay? Just checking what else you got? All right?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
And speaking of stuff here in the state of North Carolina,
we've been talking a lot about Bill Belichick. Kyle Bill
Belichick becomes the first football head coach ever featured on
the cover of US Weekly the week after losing to UCF.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Wait, he's on US Weekly. Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:57):
That photo of him and Jeorde Hudson on US Weekly
the front cover. Hang on, hang on, I gotta read.
So it starts with who is the real Jordan Hudson? God, opportunist,
muse or deeply misunderstood? Friends and insiders talk to us
about how the former cheerleader captured the seventy three year
old coaching legends hard and became demost talked about women

(34:18):
in sports?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Are you kidding me? I wish I was? Oh god,
what was the line about the mews thing? Again?

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Undis opportunist, muse or deeply misunderstood? Friends and insiders talked
to us about how the former cheerleader captured the seventy
three year old coaching legends hard it became the most
talked about woman in sports.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I wonder how? I wonder how it was his dashing
good looks. There's no question is with his charm, no,
no doubt. It couldn't have been anything else. All right, Well,
come back, Nick Cattle's locked on Patriots Podcast, talking Patriots
every single day, we'll take a look at the matchup
this Sunday. Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z. Hey,

(35:13):
it's a busy show on a Wednesday. A Nie Shroff,
voice of the Carolina Panthers coming up at four twenty five.
We haven't talked to him in a while. We'll get
his thoughts on the win over Atlanta. Still a one
and two start, but he's prepping for New England on Sunday.
So with a Nie Shroff coming up at four twenty five.
Roman Harper, two time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl champion and
of course former Alabama Cremson tied New Orleans Saints and
Carolina Panthers safety and these days an SEC Network analyst.

(35:37):
Our buddy Roman Harper back at five o'clock. But right
now we talk a little Patriots and Panthers. Panthers and Patriots,
a rematch of the two thousand and three Super Bowl,
and we do it with our buddy Nick Cattles of
the Locked On Patriots podcast, longtime sports radio host as well.
He's talking Patriots every day on the Lockdown Network, and
he's back with us for a Wednesday conversation what's up,
Nick Cattles, How you been good Man?

Speaker 10 (35:58):
How you been Kyle.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Good We're in a better mood around here after the
Panthers figured out a way to win the game on Sunday,
and in shocking fashion at that, blowing out the Falcons
thirty to nothing, and we're looking ahead to Sunday and
trying to figure out what's going on with the Patriots.
Your quarterback, of course, is a Charlotte native. He's from
just down the road here, so a lot of folks
are interested in what Drake's been up to. I'll just
get the thirty thousand foot view catch us up on

(36:22):
three weeks of Patriots football.

Speaker 9 (36:24):
I would say surprisingly sloppy. You know, when Mike Rabel
was hired, I said that this would be a serious
football program. And what I meant by that is that
they would be disciplined, they would be detailed, they wouldn't
be sloppy. And that's what we haven't seen so far.

Speaker 10 (36:40):
I mean, this is one.

Speaker 9 (36:41):
Of the worst penalized teams, most pedalized teams in football.

Speaker 10 (36:44):
So far through three weeks. Last week, they turned the football.

Speaker 9 (36:47):
Over five times against Pittsburgh and just give them the game.
So it's been a little bit of an underwhelming star
for the coaching staff and for Mike Rabel, but there have.

Speaker 10 (36:58):
Been some high points.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Kyle specifically.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I was just talking about his numbers against the Steelers
a couple of days ago. I'm a big Drake guy,
big Drake fan. I felt pretty strongly like he might
be the best quarterback in that draft class. Although Caleb
Williams had a good Sunday, his numbers weren't bad from
this weekend. I'm sure you can provide more context, but
I'm also struck by the fact.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
That he's this team's leading rusher right now.

Speaker 9 (37:19):
Yeah, and that's not what they want right obviously speaking,
they want to run the football.

Speaker 10 (37:25):
They want to establish the run.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
They did a good job of that in the first
half against Miami in Week two, and it helped balance
their offense. And you know, not shockingly, that's the only
game they've won so far this year. They did not
run the ball well in the first week. They did
not run the ball well last week against Pittsburgh. Some
of its offensive line, some of its running backs not
getting the yardage they should get, including Trevion Henderson who's

(37:48):
had a very slow start. Shaky start to his NFL career.
As far as Drake Kyle, I gotta tell you he's
been really good.

Speaker 10 (37:55):
He's been really good.

Speaker 9 (37:57):
I would say, I don't know five out of the
six halves they've played a football so far this year
he has. He has put together a lot of impressive analytics.
You know, when you look at his efficiency EPA, EPA
per dropback, and you look at the late downs, third
and fourth down productivity and EPA, I see.

Speaker 10 (38:13):
Improvement from him.

Speaker 9 (38:15):
But there is this always if only dot dot dot
with Drake, and that's what he's got to correct. That's
what he's got to fix. That's what it's going to
improve on. And that's just the turnovers. And you know,
again last week, it's it's pretty tough when you play for.

Speaker 10 (38:28):
A football team that has such a slim margin.

Speaker 9 (38:30):
For error and you're Drake and you make one or
two mistakes, and those one or two mistakes just end
up being humongous. Like the interception he throws. He should
have thrown that with a little bit more air underneath
it towards the corner of the end zone.

Speaker 10 (38:43):
It's an easy touchdown for.

Speaker 9 (38:45):
Kaisham Boodie and he throws the pick because the pass
gets tipped because he doesn't.

Speaker 10 (38:48):
Put enough air underneath it.

Speaker 9 (38:50):
And then you know, in the second half, he's running
around like a chicken with his head cut off right
after gaining some yardage scrambling, and he's done a really
good job for the most part of gaining those rushing
yards as you mentioned. But last week again he's just
trying to do too much. He's trying to do too much.
He does not take care of the football. He's careless
with the ball, holds it like a loaf of bread,
and he fumbles it away to Pittsburgh. So I would

(39:12):
tell you that almost everything occasional inaccuracies, they happen. Almost
everything from Drake has improved. He looks better, he looks
like he's making the progress that everybody was hoping that
he would make. It's just he's got to stop the
turnover plays and he's going to be a little bit
more protective of the football. If he does that.

Speaker 10 (39:30):
I mean, honestly, if he limits his.

Speaker 9 (39:32):
Turnovers, he's a top ten quarterback the first three weeks.

Speaker 10 (39:35):
Of the season.

Speaker 9 (39:36):
He's just going to make sure he takes care of
the football more often.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, that's been a big part of Bryce Young's first
couple of weeks too, not against the Falcons, but the
first two weeks it was largely about the turnovers. So
we understand that I'm also interested in the pass catching
situation up there. We were just talking about this. Carolina,
as you probably know, put the worst defense single season
defense ever on the field last year in terms of
points allowed, rushing yards allowed, all that. After a shaky

(40:01):
start to the year, their last three halves of football
have been, you know, really good defensively. The secondary in
particular has been strong. And I'm looking at the wide
receivers at New England. To me, Nick and I'll give
you the floor on this, Stefan Diggs looks like a
shell of himself.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Mac Collins.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
To me, we like mack down here, but he doesn't
strike fear in your hearts. I know Hunter Henry's a factor,
a tight end, but you know Austin Hooper or Kayshawn
Bout tight Like, what do they have and do you
think they have enough? How are those guys playing right now?

Speaker 10 (40:30):
I think there's a few things that work here.

Speaker 9 (40:33):
Number one, I would say over the past two weeks
they've gone with two tight ends. That's a decent amount,
and that's because they want to run the football.

Speaker 10 (40:41):
They again want to establish.

Speaker 9 (40:43):
That run game, So they've been playing a lot with
two tight ends, and Josh McDaniels tends to enjoy using
those tight ends in the passing game, including Hunter Henry,
who I do think is their best offensive player and
most consistent guy from a skill position standpoint. So that's
one thing. It's game plan, it's personnel packages that they're using.

(41:03):
They don't put out three receivers four receivers an awful lot.
They hardly ever play with an empty set. So that's
part of the story. The other part of the story
is what you're hitting on. Look, I'm not surprised about
Stefan Diggs. He's not a vertical guy anymore. He's not
Minnesota Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 10 (41:17):
I do think. I said before the season.

Speaker 9 (41:19):
Kicked off, I'm gonna give him six or seven weeks
to try to knock that rust off and see what
he looks like, you know, by week seven, week eight.
Because he's in his thirties, he's coming off in ACL
so I'm gonna give him a little bit more grace.
He has come up with some big catches. He doesn't
have huge stats, but he has come up with some
big third down conversions. He had a fourth down conversion
as well this season, so he has made some.

Speaker 10 (41:41):
Big catches in big spots.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
He's just not going to give you seventy five eighty
yards every week, not even close to it. So I'm
going to give him a little bit more grace. But
Matt Collins, you know him, Kyle, He's more of.

Speaker 10 (41:51):
A fourth receiver in the NFL.

Speaker 9 (41:54):
I do think Kayshawan Boody has shown improvement. He had
a really good Week one, and some of it is
is hey, they just they haven't been.

Speaker 10 (42:01):
Able to hit him again. Drake spent inaccurate from time
to time.

Speaker 9 (42:05):
Some of the plays that they've tried to create for
kay Shan Boody and their rookie Kyle Williams are long
developing plays and during those specific moments, the past protection
hasn't held up completely. So it's a mixed bag. Pop
Douglas and Drake.

Speaker 10 (42:20):
May seem like they're not on the same page.

Speaker 9 (42:22):
Ever, Pop Douglas has not been good on the details.

Speaker 10 (42:25):
He's run a couple.

Speaker 9 (42:26):
Of wrong routes, including the wrong route during that interception
in the end zone by Drake.

Speaker 10 (42:32):
So yeah, I mean I.

Speaker 9 (42:33):
Think their wide receiver room leaves a lot to be desired.
I'm not surprised by that. I do think they're better
than the stats would tell you.

Speaker 10 (42:42):
But don't get it twisted.

Speaker 9 (42:43):
I mean, this is not a room, as you said,
that strikes fear into any secondary in the NFL.

Speaker 10 (42:48):
I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Nick Cattle's locked on Patriots Podcast, hanging out with us
here on WFNZ. A couple quick things we'll let you
out of here. Of course, we go back to the
beginning of free agency. When it opened, the Patriots out
bid the Panthers for the services of Milton Williams. Has
he been worth the money so far?

Speaker 9 (43:05):
First two weeks, really impactful, really good, you know against
the run in the past, more against the past than
the run. His snaps are higher this year. You know,
he was hovering between sixty five and seventy percent of
the snaps last week.

Speaker 10 (43:19):
He did not have a very impactful.

Speaker 9 (43:21):
Game either, did Christian Barmore a little bit of you know,
a step back last week. But I would say through
the first two weeks he was everything as advertised and
maybe even more so. He got off to a fantastic start.
I will give some credit to Pittsburgh. I'll also give
some credit to Aaron Rodgers because they just get rid
of the football so quickly. It's tough to get pressure

(43:42):
on him to begin with. But yeah, I would say
on balance, Milton Williams has been really, really good.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
What's the situation with Christian Gonzalez. I was keeping an
eye on that going into the Pittsburgh game, and I
know it's been, you know, injury related, but I'm hearing
some whispering out of New England that it might be
more than just the injury at this point.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
What do you know?

Speaker 9 (43:59):
Yeah, I think that's delusional whispering. I have not bought
that for one second. There's this, you know, there's this
weird narrative that kind of got thrown out there by
a few people that you know, this was part of
a contract negotiation because this is Gonzalez's third year and
he was just taking care of himself making business decisions.

Speaker 10 (44:17):
By not going out there.

Speaker 9 (44:19):
I've kind of looked at this matter of factly.

Speaker 10 (44:22):
It's a hamstring injury.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
He is a very athletic cornerback. You had some matchups
and especially in week two with Tyreek Hill and some
you know, explosive receiver there, and I just thought, hey,
look he pulled his hamstring. I would imagine he had
a setback, set him back a few weeks. He practiced
in some last week, but I did not think you
were going to ramp him up and get him out

(44:44):
there last weekend just because he missed about seven or
eight weeks of football. He's got to get conditioned. He's
going to get out there on the field and ramp up.
Mike Rabel just spoke to the media a few hours ago.
Sounds like Gonzalez is going to be out there.

Speaker 10 (44:57):
Gonzalez spoke to the media.

Speaker 9 (44:59):
The first question that he was asked was, you know,
I suppose that you'll be out there on Sunday, and
he responded, I'm excited. And according to Mike Rabel, Gonzalez
wanted to be out there last week. You know, I
wouldn't say demanded to play, but he really wanted to play.
And Gonzalez said that so himself. But Rabel made the
decision last week and he said that was to protect

(45:20):
the player. So Gonzalez with the media said he was
frustrated that he couldn't get out there last weekend. He
understands the team's looking out for his best interests. But
if anybody's thinking that this is a situation where the
guy is sitting out games for a better leverage, which
makes no sense to me, because the one thing he
has questions about is whether or not he could be durable.
I don't think any of that adds up. I think

(45:40):
it was a hamstring pull. I think he had a setback,
and it sounds like he'll be back this weekend.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
All right, last thing, real quick, I know you're locked in.
No pun intended on the New England, Boston media and
all the ghosts on up there, done a lot of
shows ninety eight five of sports on things like that.
How closely are they following Bill Belichick in North Carolina
and what do they think of this kind of rough
start that he's off to.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
I think a lot of it has been about the
Jordan Hudson stuff, the relationship stuff.

Speaker 10 (46:08):
You know, I'll be honest, Kyle. I you know, as
a fan.

Speaker 9 (46:14):
Was rooting for for Bill Belichick. I wanted him to
be successful at North Carolina. I want him to go
out on a high note. And I was happy to
see somebody you know of of his you know, ilk
somebody with his resume, get a chance to coach on
his terms and and leave the way he wants to leave,
even though it wasn't going to be in the NFL.

(46:34):
But I changed my mind after that scouting story came out,
and to me, uh, that was kind of the straw
that broke the camel's back. And it's not because oh
the Patriots and Bell. When you're impacting young men's lives
and their futures because of a petty grudge that you
have with your former organization, that's a bridge too far

(46:55):
for me. And I think he's allowed his pettiness to
get the best of him. And look, Robert Kraft also
owns a big chunk of this with the Dynasty documentary
where they pretty much just blistered Bill throughout. I'm not
saying that Robert Kraft is free of any finger pointing here,
but to extend that, you know, these young guys at UNC,

(47:17):
you got thirty two teams, You got thirty two possibilities
to make the NFL.

Speaker 10 (47:22):
If one team falls in love with you.

Speaker 9 (47:24):
If a Patriot scout falls in love with you, and
you're going to be a sixth round pick or a
seventh round pick, and the team says, well, you know what,
we did more homework on this other guy from another
school who we have graded similarly. We're just going to
go with that guy because we know more about him. Yeah,
that might be the last chance for that UNC player

(47:44):
to get into the NFL.

Speaker 10 (47:45):
And I just felt that what.

Speaker 9 (47:47):
Belichick is doing is so incredibly selfish and again impacting
those young men's lives.

Speaker 10 (47:54):
That was kind of a that.

Speaker 9 (47:55):
Was too much for me, and I think it was
too much for a lot of people. And I think
it was split into then, you know, people wanted to
see him lose, people wanted to see him win. There's
still a contingent of Patriots fans.

Speaker 10 (48:06):
That, you know, love Bill and Bill.

Speaker 9 (48:08):
Can do no wrong, but I think that is slowly
eroding by by the behavior and what we've seen over
the past year or so.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Nick Cattles locked on Patriots Podcast, hanging out with us
here on a Wednesday. Nick, always enjoy it. Appreciate your time, brother,
Thank you. We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 9 (48:22):
Hi, Kyle, appreciate you man, talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
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