August 5, 2025 • 45 mins
In the show's opening hour, Kyle and Smoke debate a question Kyle had involving which Charlotte sports figure deserves more respect, and Kyle weighs in on the rainy training camp practice in Uptown.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good afternoon, Queen City Sports Radio ninety two seven WF
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Nick Carboni, NBC Charlotte. He's back in forty four minutes.
He is dutiful, He is our friend. He is always
here and on time. We'll get the practice report today
because yours truly. I whipped up on practice today. It's
a little too wet for me. I forgot extra shoes.
I was just telling Walker Mail on his way out
the door that I intended to go to practice this morning.
Really wanted to be there and tell everybody about how
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I stood in the rain to watch practice today. But
it didn't and I took it in secondhand like everybody
else and I'm okay with that because I'm going to
be there bright and early tomorrow morning for the joint
practice with the Cleveland Browns. But I bring that up
too because I sit down and look at the FanDuel
text line, and the last text I see is from
usmc dave declaring that umbrellas are for women and children,
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which is the funniest thing I think Dave's sent.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
In in a long time smoke. Do you have a
strong umbrella? Take?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Like?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I didn't think.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I usually don't pick up on previous shows topics of conversation,
but this one I got to pick up on real
quick because and I just skipped, I just buried the
lead entirely. I also sat in the parking lot before
I walked in the building this morning and ordered my
very first umbrella on Amazon today. I have never in
my life purchased an umbrella until today in preparation of
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tomorrow's joint practice with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Are you an umbrella guy? Do you wear it? Do
you use an umbrella?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I mean, if someone gives it to me and we're
using it, yeah, fine, but.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You'll accept it as a gift. But will you actually
deploy the umbrella and use it consistently in the rain.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Probably not, No, I'll just wear a jacket.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I haven't either, but I usually I just stand there
and get soaked. Right because I don't own an umbrella.
I don't want to wear a raincoat in August because
I'm going to sweat through everything that I own If
I put on a raincoat in August.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Wasn't that bad today?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It wasn't that bad. But still, like you're a bigger guy.
I'm a bigger guy. You get to move in around
with a raincoat on, and all of your body heat
is trapped inside this Columbia raincoat. You're going to be
just as wet on the inside as you are on
the outside.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So this, to me, it's the ultimate dilemma. I even.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
You know what else I google first this morning was
hands free umbrellas. I googled hands free umbrellas, and the
only thing that comes up is a massive umbrella hat.
And I would feel like an absolute moron walking into
a practice with all of my media colleagues and all
of the players and coaches assembled wearing an umbrella hat.
I did think about it briefly today, but I went
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with the conventional umbrella. Look at that, son of sweet dude,
get you an umbrella hat and get laughed out of practice.
I mean, I listen, I'm not that self conscious, but
like I would laugh me out of Panthers practice for
walking into an NFL training camp rocking an umbrella hat.
I would feel like an absolute dufist if I did
that tomorrow up there at Bank of America Stadium?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Would you do it? Would you rock the yball?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You wouldn't do it?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, no, at that point, I might as well just
have a massive oversized lollipop in my hand with my
tongue sticking out, saying I feel like I should be
on to cover a mad magazine at that point with
that type of outfit.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So no, yeah, yeah, three three four numbers just said
the Marine Corps anti umbrella. I get that. Then he says,
no umbrella hat please. That's how I feel about it too.
Hunters will rob just is what's wrong with ponchos? Nothing's
wrong with them. It just feels like a lot to me,
and I get that. You know, I'm kind of a beggar,
can't be choosers type of guy in this discussion, you know,
because I do need something to keep me somewhat dry.
(04:01):
But bro, I'm a bigger dude, smokes a bigger dude.
If it was like November, sure i'd rock a raincoat.
But in August, no, I'm gonna end up just as
wet on the inside is if I didn't wear a
coat at all. And I just don't like walking around
with an umbrella.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I don't like carrying the damn thing around, but I'm
gonna try. It's probably the main thing with the umbrella.
I'm actually just gonna wear what I brought today. Essentially,
I'll have a change of clothes, probably have a different shoe.
I do need to get new shoes. I definitely know
doubt to be true. It's been about a year. But yeah,
that that Columbia Jackie. You see, that's what I'm wearing tomorrow.
You are gonna wear it. Yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm gonna work to get all hot and steamy inside
that thing.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
No, I didn't really get that hot and steaming if
I did. I have a change of clothes.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, dude, maybe I just sweat more than most guys do.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I don't know, dude, I sweat a lot. Okay, Okay,
it's kind of gone down a little bit. I've noticed
the more weight you lose, the uh oh, yeah, that's
that's for real, slower it takes to get you to sweat.
It still takes quite a bit quicker for me than
most people. But I will say I'm used to this,
you know why. You know how many practices from the
time I was in third grade until I was a
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senior in high school, I've been a part of where
I had to wear a jacket in August mornings or
July mornings with seventy seventy five degrees.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's like taking candy from a baby.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I still want to sweat in good clothes. Like I'm
out there trying to look decent and respectable. I'm trying
to talk to players and do press conference stuff and
talk to my by you know, my people in the media,
and I don't want to be drenched in sweat. But
that's exactly what would happen to me. So like I
got to figure this out for tomorrow. I did order
an umbrella. I don't know, maybe i'd give it away
to an old lady on the street. I thought it'd
be nice to keep one in the truck, just in
case I need one or somebody else needs one. But
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I'm not even sure I'm going to use the dang things.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Maybe give an extra one to Nick Carboni because he
actually needs an umbrella to do his live eats.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
What do you mean to do his live he's live shots?
You mean, my bad. So it's okay.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I get the radio and TV jargon mixed up there,
but yeah, it's okay. But he always hate those are
the type of people that always need their their umbrellas,
or the people that do live shots, oh TV.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
And then maybe we could just pretend that tomorrow's a
hurricane and he could be one of those new use
caskers that's struggling to move a little bit when the
wins like two miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean, god, bless Nick. He was there today. Joe
Person was there, Vashti Hurt was there, like they were
all standing in the rain.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
And or Mike Kaye and his uh and his notepad. Oh,
his notepad was getting the worst of it. Yeah, got
it got ruined. They got ruined.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now now I feel like I should have People are
telling me on the text line, either don't use an
umbrella at all, or you should have ordered the umbrella
hat on the text line, and I just feel like
I'd look like a big old moron walking around at
NFL training camp with an umbrella hat.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I feel like you have to be over fifty or
mac to do something like.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That, maybe, like if you're out walking the dog or
I don't know. I'm there in an official capacity and
wearing that hat makes me make me feel like any way,
and it's.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
The problem you run it too. I feel like if
you have an umbrella hat, you gotta.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Go full Dad. You have to go like full one Dad,
call like jean shorts and dad new balances.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
And stuff, and you got to have the socks all
the way up. Oh, I don't mind that look that last.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You don't have it. And you don't have enough gray
hairs too, in my opinion. And they're coming, though they're coming.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'll get there all right, seven or four front ways
away ninety you're really hiding it well to just for men.
Stumptown Cobra KB. I'm a forty one year old employee
had American Airlines. I work in the catering department. It's
about a quarter mile from our parking lot to our
building where we work. I broke out my golf umbrella
this morning and walked through that monsoon at six fifteen.
Had I not used it, I would have been drenched.
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See again, there is utility to them. I don't judge
people who do. I just feel and feel like I
look awkward walking around with an umbrella. It's probably something
I got to get over. I've never bought one, I've
never really used one, and now I'm going to give
it a shot because I think Amazon just dropped it
off at the house like an hour ago.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So even as a kid, you didn't use umbrella. I
mean I used my mom's umbrellas.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But that goes back to US Marine Corday saying umbrellas
are for women and children, Like my only experience is
probably backed that up. Anyway, they practiced in the in
the rain today and there were I did see some
people today talking about how Man, it would be nice
if they had that practice facility in rock Hill.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know, they need to go ahead and hurry up
and build this field house in the new location. Joe
person was tweeting about that, and they do. You know,
I'm sure want it, and I'm sure they feel like
they need it and were this to stay and listen.
Tomorrow's forecast is identical to today's forecast. Tomorrow should be
similarly sloppy and soaked, and that might make for a
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less than stellar joint practice with the Browns. That remains
to be seen. But you do have to play football
in the rain sometimes, you do have to play this
game in the elements sometimes, Like this isn't basketball or
hockey where you play indoors. It's not baseball where the
game gets stopped if it's raining too hard. It's football.
You got to play through it, rain, snow, sleet, wind.
You play in the elements in football. That's a part
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of this game. So we got a lot of looks
at him this morning. I didn't up close, obviously, but
you know, looking at all the videos and stuff, they
got a what apparently was a decently spirited practice in
the rain this morning.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
What you got over there two words Lafe and ransom.
Oh yeah, that guy was loving the rain. He's an
Arizona native, right, Yeah, they don't get much rain out there,
an Arizona native who played at Ohio State and now
is here in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, it's like a kid from the South going up
north to play football and like seeing big snow for
the first time, Like it's probably what those guys from
you know, Alabama experience when they go play in Buffalo
for the first time, Like, oh my god, look at
all the snow. So Lathan Ransom was dancing in the rain.
They had a good time out there. Bryce Young, you know,
looked like he had a pretty good practice. I know
that the offense actually made a fair number of plays
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today out there in the rain, so much so that
apparently Derek Brown and J. C. Horn and I believe
Ashawn Robinson pulled the defense together to reset before team
drills because they weren't loving what they were seeing. And
you know, before you freak out about that, we all
know enough about training camp at this point to know
that good days and bad days happen. And you know,
it's that kind of stuff that I think forty fives
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and galvanizes teams. So you gotta feel good about, you know,
hearing that sort of stuff and dB taking on the
leadership role, JC taking on the leadership role. You know,
things like that, we had the kicker, Ryan Fitzgerald one
of five on the Skinny Post today kicking and that's
not great. Like I first of all, have you seen
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the skinny posts up close?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Have you seen those things up close?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It looks like they're like the regular height of normal
field goals or field goal polls post half the width basically,
and it looks like it's made out of all like PVC,
and so I bet you the entire thing doesn't weigh
more than sixty pounds.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
It's pretty amazing to watch them move those things around.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
It's basically the arena football league field goal kicking that
you have to go for. Yeah, especially like that, except
with a lot a lot of the without a lot
of the stanchers that are missing because it's not in
an arena and they don't need that stuff. So that's
essentially what a skinny post is. So yeah, And I
know Joe said he would have made three of the
five three more if it was a regular field goal,
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But it's just one of those things where great, this
is how he's following up his rough outing in fan
Fest on Saturday, and it's kind of making me concerned.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
For as much as Eddie Panio, I think it was
right to move on from him despite his high efficiency
when it came to his field goal percentage. I just
think he didn't get the long field goals enough. And
then the fact that he hurt himself when celebrating. He
pulled a grammatica, not a full marching or Bill grammatica,
but he pulled a half grammatica when he celebrated that
game winning field goal in Germany.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's just you couldn't really trust him.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And now, unfortunately, I feel like we could have a
situation Carolina had back in twenty twelve when they were
trying to find a kicker, because before they found Graham Gano,
it was a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Of who's this guy, Who's this guy?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, it was when they started when they let go
of John Casey Daring the lockout and didn't let him
go to New Orleans because New Orleans is like, hey,
we need to kick her, and instead they felt or
Lindo Mara would be a good replacement as a veteran kicker.
He sucked. He cost Carolina at least two games. I
was at the Atlanta game he cost him, and he
also cost him the Minnesota game. And then in twenty
twelve it didn't get any better because there were a
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cavalcade of kickers that I'm trying to remember who they
brought in. Oh here, Justin Medlock. You ever heard that name?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I yeah, I think, but not in any meaningful way. Yeah,
it was Justin Medlock was the kicker for the first
half a year. He was okay, okay, then they luckily
found this guy named Graham Gano on the street. Yeah,
and for as much crap as people gave Graham. So anyway,
but like it's a good oral history. But my question is, like,
are you suddenly concerned, like a lot of people are today,
the kicking is going to be an issue for this team.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I've kind of been a little bit concerned, especially since
we haven't gotten a definitive answer, and the fact that
we still don't have a definitive answer at that it's
making me concerned because we've seen how teams that don't
have a kicker can cost themselves, and when we're talking
about maybe being in a hunt, maybe not, this is
a massive factor. As small as the kicker position is,
how we talk about it on the airways, when it
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becomes a deal, it's not good. And a prime example
of that was when the Bucks selected Roberto Guyo in
the NFL's draft of the second round and they felt
they had their kicker fixed. Yep, he had the hips
in the worst possible way and it got to the
point where they had to let.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Him go after a year.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So it's one of those situations to where and that
Bucks team was actually pretty dang good. I believe there
are like nine and seven that year, maybe as good
as ten and six. If Roberto Oguio is actually a
half decent kicker, that Bucks team could have made playoffs.
Would have been the first playoff appearance for them in
nine years. Yeah, So stuff like that can have a
huge difference on the outcomes of some of these games.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm with you seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten.
Hit us up on the FanDuel text line. Ryan Fitzgerald,
the kicker out of Florida State, going one for five
on the skinny post today at practice. He's not had
a great training camp so far. He's competing with the
veteran matthew Wright, who I believe is on like his
third or fourth stop in Carolina. I forget how many
times he's been here. None of them he's been on
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the active ross well maybe one, I think one time. Yeah, actually,
I was on the active roster. But we rattled off
matthew Wright's career arc and his journeys the other day.
He's been with like eight different teams, multiple stints with
several of those. But he might actually be the better
guy because, like we talked about the other day, these kickers,
you know, many of them, not all of them. It's
not a steadfast rule, but a lot of these kickers
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tend to get better over time, you know, as you
would expect. That's not really a shocker. They can play
a long time, they learn tricks of the trade, they
see more kicks, they see more critical moment kicks. A
lot of them do improve, some don't, and they end
up you know, working an insurance or whatever else like
everybody else does. But you know, this one I was wondering,
is Ryan Fitzgerald going to take the bull by the
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horns here or is he going to succumb to the
pressure and the veteran matthew Wright ends up with the
job And that might be the best thing overall. But
the last couple of years, right since Graham Gano his
time ended here, we've seen a run of what Joey Slies,
Zane Gonzalez, Eddie Pinero.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And the problem was Zain was he wasn't bad. He
was actually good. He didn't that much leg strength yet
have enough leg strength. It got hurting the most inopportunity times.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well that too, but he also you couldn't if you
needed a fifty seven to fifty eight yard field goal
to win a game, you had to question whether or
not he had the leg to get it there A lot,
a lot of the.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Time you had a couple of fifty plus yarders in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I know he's capable. He wasn't one of the stronger
legged kickers in the NFL. You're right about the injuries.
That was a big part of it, especially toward the
injuries at that But wasn't Didn't he have the longest
streak of made field goals in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
For a while.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Consistent consecutively. I thought so, don't. At one point he
had the longest streak in the NFL. I thought, I
think that might be right. A new note that for
about two weeks last year, Eddie Panero had the highest
field goal percentage in NFL history for a kicker, But
then that kind of went by the wayside after he
got hurt and he clearly wasn't one hundred percent. Just
one of those things where it looks like matthew Wright
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could be the safe option, Like he's not amazing, but
he also can get enough of the job done. Yeah,
and he's been around the league. But Ryan Fitzgerald maybe
has a little bit more potential. Unfortunately, that potential is
not being carved out in stone and looked like, right,
can do it.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I actually just looked it up. Kyle.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
His career field field goal percentage, this being matthew Wright
actually isn't the worst eighty seven point three percent when
and when you look at a guy who he's been
a journeyman kicker who's been all across the world essentially,
that's not half bad. He actually did kick in one
Panthers game. Okay, he missed a fifty plus yard attempt
in twenty twenty three. Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, I completely forgot.
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He even attempted to get what game was that I forget.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
If you forget, then it's got to be the least
memorable thing of all time.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well, I mean it was the twenty twenty three season.
I like to forget that season. That was the Reich here. Yeah,
so the put in perspective. His rookie year was twenty twenty.
He was the kicker for the Steelers during the COVID year.
In twenty twenty one, he replaced the guy who Urban
Meyer kicked in the foot in Jacksonville, so he got that.
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In twenty twenty two, he was back with Pittsburgh, but
also filled in for an injured Harrison Butker in Kansas
City twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Was here in Carolina twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Josh Lambeau. By the way, thank you, Josh Lambeau twenty
twenty four. Here's what he did. He played for San
Francisco for a game, he played for the Chiefs for
a game to replace for a Harrison Bucker, and he
played for Tennessee for two games.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He just can't stick anywhere.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
No, he's like, he's like the Kenny lofton if kickers.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Wow, all right, seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten.
Multiple people asking about Justin Tucker on the text line
if he's available. Pretty sure he's available. Don't think they're
going down that road personally.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Plus he's washed. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
A lot of folks lamenting the Harrison Butker situation and
the fact that the Panthers.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Let him go.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
We've been down that road a couple of times. That's
that's water under multiple bridges. At this point, I'm not
saying they made the right call. In hindsight over Graham
Gano probably was not the right call.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I will say though, hindsight being twenty twenty or fifty
to fifteen cam Newton parlance, maybe if they would have
handled just A. Graham Gano's injuries a little bit better,
he'd still be here.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well, it's funny because you mentioned like that cycle of
a Linda Mara and who was the other one?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You said, Medlock?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Medlock, you know, post John Casey, And it's kind of
the same thing with g post Graham Gano. It's been
a slew of kickers that just really didn't get the
job done well enough to keep the job for a
period of time. And I think of John Casey, and
I think of you always telling people to put some
respect on that man's name.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So when we come back, I want to talk more
about training camp. But I was thinking about this before
the show today, and I think about the show often.
Who is the the most disrespected individual in the history
of Charlotte Sports? The player the coach, the athlete, the executive,
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the media member, like it could be anybody organizing official.
I'll leave it open to you, right, But we always
talk about respect. Who gets it? Who doesn't? You know,
who gets disrespected, puts some respect on his name. Who
is the most disrespected individual? You know, the guy that
you think doesn't get his due still to this day
in the history of Charlotte sports, we'll talk about it.
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Seven oh four, five, seven, ninety six to ten. Sports
Radio ninety two to seven wfn Z.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Dumb, but do nail's a foot It's been come in well.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Sports Radio ninety two to seven wfn Z KB and
smoke Nick Carbony, NBC Charlotte eighteen minutes away. It's a
wet one out there also a thirty degree swing in
the last week. We went from heat dome to not
even breaking into the seventies today. But let's go what
let's look for. It's not a problem, not the slightest.
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It's not a problem, not in the slightest. Although I
did see the guys over at the Crown Club reminding
all the Charlotte newbies earlier today that don't be fooled
by this fall is not here this is not real.
It's not an indication that falls around the corner. In fact,
we are still in the first week of August, so
you know, three weeks from now you might be miserable.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Just don't buy it.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, I'm not buying fall until we get to early October.
Oh yeah, yeah, like that's right around this time. In
early October is when things start to really start feeling.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Like no, no, no, no, you got to give me
a forty eight degree Saturday morning in college game day
before I'm buying that Fall is here.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Okay, so we're talking late October by that point, yeah,
I mean, nah, it just depends.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I mean, yeah, you're not really not far off. But
you know, we get some of the early to October ones.
Of those two He's happened a lot more when I
was a kid. It doesn't happen that much anymore. I
don't know, man, happened a decent amount last year.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
We do forget things I've noticed, and I've just it's
a product of getting older. You do think that you're
noticing trends of things, or that things you remember them
maybe differently than they were last Fall is pretty nice.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Not gona lie about that, so.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
It did get cooler a lot quicker, but like for
the most part the last decade, it stayed a lot
warmer throughout the months of September.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now, if you're one of the Ohio transplants who's looking
forward to saying they're Browns in town this weekend, don't
buy into it. It's it's not here yet. The seventh
Circle of Hell is still probably somewhere around the corner,
and it's likely going to show up around September the sixth,
because that's the way things happened. So but it is nice.
The thirty degree swing has been absolutely wild. But to
be outside and walking around and not sweating profusely has
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been just lovely. Seven oh four five, seven ninety six
to ten. Hit us up on the FanDuel text line
eight to eight. Number just said we are two weeks
away from the start of high school football. And what
he said, it'll be ninety degrees on the first night. Yeah,
and you'll have a third of each team cramping by
the end of the first quarter.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Pickle juice sales going up here, baby, Let's go Mount Olive.
Remember we were at the at the golf tournament. Golf,
the golf tournament. A couple of years ago, the mount
Olive guys were selling shots of pickle juice. They were
sponsoring our live broadcast.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Thank got ahead of water to chase that one down, man,
because that was something strong. I've been great to have
those on the sideline in high school, right, just shots
of pickle juice on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Oh. Now, guys got to a point where some guys
learned the hard way.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
They had to get like Mason jars of like pickle
juice to get ready for games.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Oh yeah, but I love pickle juice.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's well, you know you're lost, but more for the
rest of us.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
All right, we asked the question.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We talked a bit about the rain and umbrellas Panthers
practice today. More hard football stuff coming your way in
just a bit, but we got we're having a conversation
about respect. Who is the most disrespected individual in the
history of Charlotte professional or just Charlotte sports in general.
Doesn't have to be professional sports, but like the history
of Charlotte sports, who is the most disrespected individual or
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put another way, who doesn't get their full credit their
due in your mind? In the year twenty twenty five
seven four five seven, ninety six to ten. Very interesting
answers coming in several Cam Newton's as I would expect,
and I'm not going to argue with that. I think
it's a layered conversation we'll come back to. But I
do think there's some more interesting submissions on the text
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line right now. Again, a lot of Cam Newton. We
had George Shin come in a handful of times. Carolina
Chilly was the first one that I saw. He said,
George Shin and it's not close somebody else Taylor and
conover KB. George Shen is one of the most disrespected
people in Charlotte sports history.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Hear me out.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yes he's hated for taking the team to New Orleans,
but he did so much for the city and putting
Charlotte on the map. Without him, there is no Carolina
Panthers coming in ninety five. Listening to Scott Fowler's interview
of Shin on his podcast is very eye opening. I
think the shinned discussion is fascinating. Like there would be
no Charlotte Hornets without George Shin, right, I think we
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can agree on that. That's not to say there would
never have been pro basketball here, but there'd never be
the Charlotte Hornets. I mean in the eighties, if you
were not around the Ogs, I'm preaching to the choir.
But if you weren't around, I mean, Charlotte was considered
a bit of a long shot to get a pro
sports franchise back in the eighties. Very regional city, no
major league teams, not much of a national profile. People
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confused it was Charlotteville, Virginia with Charleston, South Carolina. It
just it was a very different place. And so George
Shinn investing time and money and you know, political capital
to secure a franchise here in the late eighties. It
was a transformative moment for Charlotte to go from a
growing banking hub southern city without much national profile to
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a full fledged pro sports market. So without George Shin,
it's very possible, even likely, that Charlotte Pro Sports would
have been on a very different trajectory, likely lagging behind probably,
And again, you don't want to give too much credit
to a singular individual, but Charlotte Pro Sports as we
know it as a city today does not look the
way it looks without George Schinn doing what he did
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back in the mid eighties.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I honestly, as much as I like to take my
shots at George Shinn for what he did and not
being able to see consistently competent basketball here, yeah, you
have to give him as doing this one. Yeah, it
definitely does because well, I don't think it was the
end all be off for to how Carolina Papers got here.
I think it did help a lot of people in
the NFL officers saying, hey, see what the Charlotte Hornets
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are doing. I mean, their team's is not good, but
they're completely selling out those arenas night in, night out. Yeah,
that's there might be something there. And I know the
Hornets were wildly popular for the first ten years. Specifically, yes,
insanely popular.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And I've told you this, but like I still actually
sent a video about this to my wife the other
day because she that was several months ago or a
year or two ago, times of Flat Circle. But I
was trying to explain to my wife how big a
deal the Hornet's starter jacket was back in the nineties,
and she was like, the stop, there's no, no, no,
you don't get it. Like it was it was on TV,
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you know, in unrelated TV shows. It was in hip
hop videos. It was you know, the Hornets starter jacket
was like one of the three to five most popular
starter jackets, NFL, NBA, major League Baseball. It just was
right because of the color scheme and it was cool
and it was new and so there for a while
in the early years, the first decade, the Hornets were
wildly pops. Charlotte Coliseum was you know, that attendance, that
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that atmosphere was among the best in the league. You know,
you had the teal in purple branding, Hugo the mascot,
the brand of play Up temper View Goo. Yeah, dude,
like it was. It was cool. It was a fun
fan culture. It was something that people loved and appreciated.
And I know that's hard for a lot of people
to wrap their head around now, but that was absolutely
the case. And then, you know, you fast forward to
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George Schin and the sexual misconduct lawsuit and allegations in
nineteen ninety nine, which really damaged his image here in Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Seven.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It was in ninety seven. I think it was like
I think it would a trial in ninety nine, Is
that what it was? Okay, Well, anyway, I mean, it
hurt his image and people stopped supporting him, you know,
to kind of spite. They stopped supporting the team despite
the man, and.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The team was actually really good. Yeah. Some of the
better years were after the trial. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And then you know, he had the whole thing wanting
to get new a new arena. I really because I
think if it wasn't for a sexual trial case, they
would have stayed. I don't think there would have been
there would have been problems with trying to get a
new arena, yeah maybe, but I think there would have
not as been as much pushback trying to give something
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to George Sin after the trial.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah. I really believe that.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
So it just it's one of those you know, you
kind of wish you could go to a different alternate reality,
see what would have happened if they zigged instead of ZAC. Yeah,
absolutifically George Sin, because I think they would have never left.
And who knows if New Orleans ever has a basketball team,
who knows. We probably don't really talk about Bob Johnson
that much in this city. We don't know much about
equestrian games, and who knows. I mean, that would have
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definitely changed things with Michael Jordan too.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, so yeah, that's true. Miserable human being. On the
text line, that guy needs a new name. It's hard
for me to say, and I'm sure he doesn't like it,
But a miserable human being, says Jerry Richardson, with his
alleged flaws, is still heads above the buffoon owner we have. Now,
it's funny you say that because a few people have
said David Tepper is too disrespected in the city. We
can get back to that. His journey has not been finished. Yeah,
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but like you know, and I'm not lumping these guys
in as if they're all the same. But when we
were talking about hul Cogan last week, or you know O. J.
Simpson before that, or Joe Paterno, or you know any
number of famous individuals who have passed away night sure
that have you know, complex nuanced legacies and stories. There's good,
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there's bad, there's you know, stuff in the gray area. Yeah, yeah,
I mean Jerry Richardson. You know, we aren't having the
same conversations today, if we're having conversations at all without
Jerry Richardson doing what he did. Jerry came from a
different era. Jerry believed different things than a lot of
people do believe today. Some are the same obviously, but
like you know, Jerry was a lot of things to
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a lot of people. To some people, he was a
misogynist and a racist, you know. To others, like his
former players like Cam Newton and Steve Smith and Thomas Davis,
you know, he was a grandfatherly figure who stepped up
for them and helped them out in ways that had
nothing to do with football. And of course he made
them rich men by paying them handsomely to play football.
But yeah, I mean, I think it's fair to say
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that Jerry Richardson, I know, in the eyes of some people,
is too disrespected in the year twenty twenty five, after
the way that everything went down back in twenty eighteen.
So yeah, I expected to get that text when I
asked this question. A few more of these coming in
real quick. We have Marty Herney, who I like that
NASCAR bral Marty Herney is by far the most disrespected
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individual in Charlotte sports history. Not many GMS draft two
potential Hall of famers, definitely a top half NFL GM.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Two potential Hall of famers and one already in the
Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the
only we all know.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
The knock on Marty was that he was great in
the first round, very checkered beyond that well, and checkered
might be a bit kind in certain drafts.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I wouldn't say that too, because Colin Hoggard has been
beating his trump for years and he's absolutely right. When
did Marty's drafting prowess start to go downhill? Two thousand
and eight. That's when he was already being told by
Jerry to get ready for the lockout. So that's why
he had to make a trade up to try and
give more picks away for Jeff Otall. He knew he
didn't have that many picks in two thousand and nine,
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so he made another trade up to get Everett Brown
because he knew he was going to lose Julius Peppers
because Jerry wasn't going to pay him Peppers the money
because he was getting ready for a lockout. A lot
of the stuff that happened in Marty one point zero,
especially on the back end of the term, it was
the fault of someone being a penny pincher because he
didn't want to give the players a new contract while
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he was getting ready for a massive lockout. Now, Marty
two point zero, all right, fair, but you know, I
feel like the best had come for him and everything
had passed like he was. Not to say Marty Hernie
that he was previously, but Marty Herney from two thousand
and two to two thousand and eight definitely does not
get enough credit. You look at some of the mid
round guys he had from his first five to six
years in the NFL Draft, and I know there's guys
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like him Dwayne Jarrett, but you know he also got
Ryan Kleil in that same round two. I definitely think
Marty Hernie deserves a lot of credit too, even though
he is a punching back.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
All right, I'm with you on that. We got to
put a pin in this.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
The most disrespected individuals in the history of Charlotte Sports.
Who doesn't get enough respect, who takes too much disrespect,
who doesn't get their due as we look back on
decades of history now with Charlotte Professional Sports. Just something
I was thinking about this morning as I was up
and moving around seven oh four, five, seven ninety six
to ten. Hit us up on the FanDuel text line.
We will come back to this. Nick CARBONI with a
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practice report on the other side. Right now we go
to smoke on the headlines.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Who is smoke? Where is smoke? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Let's go what you got? All right?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Well, the Cleveland Browns quarterback room gets yet a nutter
shake up, as yesterday they signed quarterback Pro Bowler Tyler
Snoop Huntley to be.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Are they doing, Like I know there's some injuries, but like,
what are they doing at the quarterback position? You could
argue that, like the best thing to do is start
Joe Flacco week one, because he's a veteran and he's
been there and he's done it. But you could also
argue that Joe Flacco's not your future and he's kind
of careless with the football and he's you may as
well get the future started. And it seems to me
like Shador Sanders has had the best statistical training camp
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so far of any quarterback, but they've got him listed
fourth on the depth chart.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah, for those who are wondering what how many quarterbacks
do they have? In who are quarterbacks? Joe Flacco is
the elder statesman of the room. They also have former
first round pick any Picketts that's number two. Then you
have the two guys they took this past year to
draft Dylan Gabriel and Scheudur Sanders and now Tyler Snoop
Punkh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I mean they've had some wacky quarterback rooms since their revival,
but this one might take the cake.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, all right, Well come back, Nick Carboni NBC Charlotte
Practice Report. He had his umbrella out today at practice,
braving the elements. We'll talk to him next. Sports Radio
ninety two to seven wfn Z. Who is the most
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disrespected individual in the history of Charlotte Sports, who doesn't
get enough credit in the year twenty twenty five? Hit
me up on the FanDuel text line seven oh four
five seven ninety six ten. A spirited discussion taking place
right now on the FanDuel text line. Coach Daddy just said,
Gerald Wallace is that Walker Mail's burner, because that's what
he of course multiple people will have that opinion, but
(33:34):
I asked Walker Male the same question before he left
the studio today and immediately his first answer was Gerald Wallace.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, it's kind of become the the go to one
when it comes to CHARLTTE.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
But it's become so mainstream.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I think he's actually gotten his recognition rightfully so because
he kept the lights on during the initial Bobcat years.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Oh yeah, he was the show.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
It was basically him. And who's he going against? Oh
he's going against Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's like, hey, we're gonna see uh, Jered Walls go
against the Heat or we're gonna see Jerald Walls go
against Paul gas Hall and the Grizzlies.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, all right, nine eight o numbers, says Bruton Smith.
I don't know about that. Like, I feel like Bruton
got a lot of respect. There was controversy, there.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Were I was gonna say that person might be from
Wilkes Brouw that might be why.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Okay, But like in Charlotte, in this market, I feel
like Bruton was a highly respected guy. Not beloved by everybody,
but was respected. Bruton got his way on a lot
of things. Like Bruton got a lot of things done
while he was alive and running things here in Charlotte.
So it's interesting that people would send that. In Dom
Caper's coming in Trayler Park, Thomas is how about the
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Hogfather Dave Gettleman, Well, I mean Yeah, there's a there's
a case to be made there too, So keep him
coming on the FanDuel text line seven oh four five,
seven oh ninety six ten.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
We will return to this.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Also a lot of James Barrego, a lot of James
Barrego on the text line. And I have people telling
me to stay away from the umbrella hat. And if
I'm gonna do anything, can either use an umbrella tomorrow
with practice or suck it up and wear a raincoat.
Our next guest went with the umbrella.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
He's a TV guy.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And while I dabble in some TV, mostly on the
play by play side, you know I'm a radio guy
at heart. Nick Carboni is a TV man. He's always
buttoned up, the shirt's always tucked in, he's always camera ready,
and I expect TV guys to carry around an umbrella
for that reason. And I saw his photo today. He
was locked and loaded with the umbrella, ready for practice
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as the Panthers brave the elements, and Nick Carboni did too.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
He's back with us on the hot lines. Nick Carboni,
what's going on? Brother? How are you.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Oh for being that prepared? My wife happens to have
an umbrella in the car. So yeah, that was all
her and I happen to be driving said car today.
Really other than that, yeah, I would have been high
and dry without that.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So I left the house earlier this morning with the
intent of coming to practice. It dawned on me as
I drew near the city that this was not slowing
down anytime soon. And I've never purchased an umbrella in
my life. I mean, I can't say that I've never
owned one. I think I might have stolen one from
mom or Dad at one point, but like, I've never
owned one. So Amazon just dropped off my very first
umbrella in my life this afternoon. So I skipped out
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on practice. I didn't want to get the feet wet.
But I'm going to go out there and brave it
tomorrow for joint practice. So I need you to catch
the people up today you were out there. What did
they accomplish in the driving rain today at practice?
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (36:26):
I guess just preparing four elements like that. There were
a lot of footballs on the ground. It was absolutely challenging.
I mean we were talking about constant torrential, hard driving
battle rain drops coming down the entire practice. The ball
no matter how much they tried to keep it dry
and how many they rotate in and out going to
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be wet. But I did see several nighte throws, anticipation
anticipation throws that you know we've come accustomed to from
Bryce Young. There were some really good dots from Young today.
He was intercepted by rookie Leathan Ransom in the end zone,
so you know that was kind of one for.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
The defense there.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
But very challenging day to catch the football, and you
could tell all over the field individual drills, team drills,
didn't matter what position. The receivers actually weren't wearing gloves,
which we initially thought maybe a challenge from Dave Canalis, like, hey,
go go and catch it without one, but he told
us no, sometimes when it's raining like that, it's actually
harder to catch the ball with those wet gloves on.
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So you know, they got work in the padded practice.
Will happen tomorrow against the Browns. I don't know if
it's going to be quite as constant with the rain
tomorrow as it was today, but that stood out. I thought,
you know, when it comes to Bryce Young, thought he
made some really really nice throws. Did have the interception though.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Okay, speaking of catching the football, what do you think
of the camp that ted Ron McMillan is having so far?
I see it being characterized as up and down by
some people. I've seen enough things that I like. He's
also disappeared for stretches. What do you think of them
that he's having individually?
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we had a lot of
national media out there today and I don't think it
would have been anything that made their headlines. Right. Sometimes
it hasn't even made ours. Instead of up and down,
I would kind of go down and then up and
up and you know, maybe flatten and then up. I
think he's getting better. I think he's progressing. I really
do think the physicality of the pro game has been
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something that he has really had to adjust to. And
he told us that last week, and that's what his coach,
Dave Canalis told us. But think about who he's going
up against. It's not just JC Horn, it's also Mike
Jackson in stretches and even Corey Thornton, this undrafted kid
who's got some link to him. He's not going to
face that every time out on the field. He's not
going to get covered by every team's big corner, and
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even Mike Jackson told us today, like most teams have
like a big guy and a little guy. Not everybody's
got the link and the size of the corners that
the Panthers have. So that's what he's going up against.
They are challenging him every day. And what we've heard
from Tetiroa, from Dave Canalis, and even Mike Jackson today
is he does the drill and then he wants to
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talk about it. Okay, why didn't that work? Why were
you able to knock me off my spot here? And
Mike Jackson told us today that he does it and
then you talk to him about it, and then the
next week he's implementing it. So I think that's a
great sign. But you know, we saw the one incredible
catch last week.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
We didn't see that.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
There were some misconnections last after that. That was Wednesday,
I think, and then Friday at practice they had a
bit of a misconnection and really didn't connect much on
Saturday at FanFest, So you know, they've been a couple
drops in there too. But I think he is progressing
and getting better. Not willing to call it like a
bad camp at all, but nothing to say.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Is Ben a sensational camp Well.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I mean, Dave Canalis told us today was a gift, right,
all that weather, the opportunity to practice in the rain.
I'm sure you felt that, right. It was a gift
to you as well to be out there in those
elements and experience that together. But in all seriousness, he
did put the guys in pads and he wanted to
a very physical scrimmage at fan Fest on Saturday. I
took it in from the stands, which is obviously a
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bit of a different experience. I don't have the press
box Pa feeding me stats and you know, all the
commentary from you and Mike Ky and Joe person to
contextualize everything. But like, what did you think of fan Fest?
What they accomplished, what anything stood? Did anything stand out
to you in a good or bad way? From Saturday's
fan Fest?
Speaker 6 (40:23):
I think it was a good fan fest, you know.
I think they announced forty five thousand you can you
know some of the people who like to count every
single one of them and say no, it was just
just pay you right, Yeah, okay, But I thought I
thought there was a good vibe. I thought there was
a good vibe and I thought it was a nice
chance for this team and this fan base to kind
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of connect for the only time of training camp, and
you know, obviously there's a lot of anticipation coming off
the close of last season. I did like how it
was structured. I mean simply because we just saw you know,
team drill one way, team drill the other way, team
real the other way, and a lot of it was
Bryce Young. We got a lot of looks at Bryce Young.
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Thought he made some nice throws in that too. There
were some drafts, there were some pass breakups, there are
some interceptions. You know. I thought you could take a
good amount from that fully padded practice in some elements
and just constantly seeing eleven on eleven. There really wasn't
a break to go one on one or individual. Once
they got going, they really kept it like a game scenario.
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So I thought that was probably.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
A good thing.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Nick Carbony, NBC Charlotte hanging out with us back to
the offense really quickly. There was some handwringing, I guess
this morning I saw online about the fact that Hunter
Renfro did not practice again today. It's been a week
since he practiced as of today. But like this one
to me, seems kind of simple. He's got a hamstring
and bringing him back in the driving rain probably doesn't
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seem like a very smart idea to me.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Right, Yeah, and that's a great point, And there were
obviously elements on Saturday night as well. So we'll see
if he's out there tomorrow for padded although we may
be looking at some of the same weather, and then
we'll see what happens Friday. I'm not sure if he
hasn't practiced the last couple of games, and at that
point will be a week and a half if they're
gonna throw him out there Friday. So he was obviously
great stories for the first week and a half of camp.
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That doesn't mean he can't come back, get back on
the field and prove that he's continuing towards the hunter
renfro that made the Pro Bowl with the Raiders. But
I'll tell you who had a heck of a catch
on Saturday night was David Moore, And if it's down
to those two, he's not going down without a fight.
He had some moments last year and a good connection
with Bryce Young and was a somewhat reliable target for him,
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So that'll be interesting to see when Renfro is going
to be able to put that ability of availability back
out there for the coaching staff to see. But yeah,
I think that's about four or five practices in a
row now that he has not been able to go.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, listen, I'm with you on that. And I'm a
big David Moore fan, and I catch some heat for that.
Not as much these days, but like I do still
catch some heat from people who are like, what do
you see He's got to go? And I'm like, no,
I like this guy, Like, I think he's gotten better.
They like him in the locker room. He's got strong hands.
I like him a lot now real quick. On the
other side of the football, Lathan Ransom, like this dude's
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making a name for himself. Already had that big hit
in the back of the end zone on Saturday at FanFest,
So I'm out there dancing today. One of the veterans
was really heaping praise on him earlier today. Maybe you
recall who that was, but you know, I'm hesitant to
say that he's ready to make a real impact in
week one, but it seems like they're comfortable with him
back there, and that he's comfortable with the job they've
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given him.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Well, listen, they still haven't gone out and signed that
free agent safety that we thought in May they were
bound to do, right. So a lot of that is
Demani Richardson, But now here comes Lathan Ransom. I thought
he had a great night on Saturday night. He was
physical and maybe towed the line a little bit too much.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Dave Canalis said, you.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Might be getting a letter from the league for some
of that stuff out there. You got to kind of
pull it back. But that's you know, I think that's
a positive for that, that's a net positive for this squad.
They want the physicality from this guy from a rookie safety.
And yeah, it was Mike Jackson, the veteran you're talking
about who was praising tests. Iron McMillan also when he
asked was asked about Laithan Ransom, one of the first
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words he said was smart. He's picking things up. You know,
you tell him one thing one day and he's got
it the second day. He's a great, big personality. Our
Daniel Stein went one on one with him. I think
she just tweeted that out. He's one of his rookie
assignments from the defensive backfield the veterans was to create
a handshake for every single guy, So like he starts
practice doing like eight or nine different handshakes around the
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around the squads. So you know, they they obviously were
needing physicality at that position last year. The head of
that is going to be Trayvon Merrick. But if they
can get that with Domani Richardson and Leathan Ransom in
his first year, that's gonna.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Be a big plus.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
But he's definitely a guy that that isn't afraid to
mix it up. And uh, you know, we'll see how
the coverage skills do and all of but you know,
I think I think he's really impressed the last couple
of practices.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
All right.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Nick Carboni, NBC Charlotte, hanging out with us here on
a Tuesday. Glad to hear you doing well, buddy. We
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need to share an umbrella.
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I will bring that out, all right, Thanks buddy, Thank you, Budy.
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Nick Carboni, NBC Charlotte. He's back in forty four minutes.
He is dutiful, He is our friend. He is always
here and on time. We'll get the practice report today
because yours truly. I whipped up on practice today. It's
a little too wet for me. I forgot extra shoes.
I was just telling Walker Mail on his way out
the door that I intended to go to practice this morning.
Really wanted to be there and tell everybody about how
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I stood in the rain to watch practice today. But
it didn't and I took it in secondhand like everybody
else and I'm okay with that because I'm going to
be there bright and early tomorrow morning for the joint
practice with the Cleveland Browns. But I bring that up
too because I sit down and look at the FanDuel
text line, and the last text I see is from
usmc dave declaring that umbrellas are for women and children,
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which is the funniest thing I think Dave's sent.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
In in a long time smoke. Do you have a
strong umbrella? Take?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Like?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I didn't think.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I usually don't pick up on previous shows topics of conversation,
but this one I got to pick up on real
quick because and I just skipped, I just buried the
lead entirely. I also sat in the parking lot before
I walked in the building this morning and ordered my
very first umbrella on Amazon today. I have never in
my life purchased an umbrella until today in preparation of
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tomorrow's joint practice with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Are you an umbrella guy? Do you wear it? Do
you use an umbrella?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I mean, if someone gives it to me and we're
using it, yeah, fine, but.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You'll accept it as a gift. But will you actually
deploy the umbrella and use it consistently in the rain.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Probably not, No, I'll just wear a jacket.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I haven't either, but I usually I just stand there
and get soaked. Right because I don't own an umbrella.
I don't want to wear a raincoat in August because
I'm going to sweat through everything that I own If
I put on a raincoat in August.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Wasn't that bad today?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It wasn't that bad. But still, like you're a bigger guy.
I'm a bigger guy. You get to move in around
with a raincoat on, and all of your body heat
is trapped inside this Columbia raincoat. You're going to be
just as wet on the inside as you are on
the outside.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So this, to me, it's the ultimate dilemma. I even.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
You know what else I google first this morning was
hands free umbrellas. I googled hands free umbrellas, and the
only thing that comes up is a massive umbrella hat.
And I would feel like an absolute moron walking into
a practice with all of my media colleagues and all
of the players and coaches assembled wearing an umbrella hat.
I did think about it briefly today, but I went
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with the conventional umbrella. Look at that, son of sweet dude,
get you an umbrella hat and get laughed out of practice.
I mean, I listen, I'm not that self conscious, but
like I would laugh me out of Panthers practice for
walking into an NFL training camp rocking an umbrella hat.
I would feel like an absolute dufist if I did
that tomorrow up there at Bank of America Stadium?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Would you do it? Would you rock the yball?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You wouldn't do it?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, no, at that point, I might as well just
have a massive oversized lollipop in my hand with my
tongue sticking out, saying I feel like I should be
on to cover a mad magazine at that point with
that type of outfit.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So no, yeah, yeah, three three four numbers just said
the Marine Corps anti umbrella. I get that. Then he says,
no umbrella hat please. That's how I feel about it too.
Hunters will rob just is what's wrong with ponchos? Nothing's
wrong with them. It just feels like a lot to me,
and I get that. You know, I'm kind of a beggar,
can't be choosers type of guy in this discussion, you know,
because I do need something to keep me somewhat dry.
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But bro, I'm a bigger dude, smokes a bigger dude.
If it was like November, sure i'd rock a raincoat.
But in August, no, I'm gonna end up just as
wet on the inside is if I didn't wear a
coat at all. And I just don't like walking around
with an umbrella.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I don't like carrying the damn thing around, but I'm
gonna try. It's probably the main thing with the umbrella.
I'm actually just gonna wear what I brought today. Essentially,
I'll have a change of clothes, probably have a different shoe.
I do need to get new shoes. I definitely know
doubt to be true. It's been about a year. But yeah,
that that Columbia Jackie. You see, that's what I'm wearing tomorrow.
You are gonna wear it. Yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm gonna work to get all hot and steamy inside
that thing.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
No, I didn't really get that hot and steaming if
I did. I have a change of clothes.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, dude, maybe I just sweat more than most guys do.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I don't know, dude, I sweat a lot. Okay, Okay,
it's kind of gone down a little bit. I've noticed
the more weight you lose, the uh oh, yeah, that's
that's for real, slower it takes to get you to sweat.
It still takes quite a bit quicker for me than
most people. But I will say I'm used to this,
you know why. You know how many practices from the
time I was in third grade until I was a
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senior in high school, I've been a part of where
I had to wear a jacket in August mornings or
July mornings with seventy seventy five degrees.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's like taking candy from a baby.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I still want to sweat in good clothes. Like I'm
out there trying to look decent and respectable. I'm trying
to talk to players and do press conference stuff and
talk to my by you know, my people in the media,
and I don't want to be drenched in sweat. But
that's exactly what would happen to me. So like I
got to figure this out for tomorrow. I did order
an umbrella. I don't know, maybe i'd give it away
to an old lady on the street. I thought it'd
be nice to keep one in the truck, just in
case I need one or somebody else needs one. But
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I'm not even sure I'm going to use the dang things.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Maybe give an extra one to Nick Carboni because he
actually needs an umbrella to do his live eats.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
What do you mean to do his live he's live shots?
You mean, my bad. So it's okay.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I get the radio and TV jargon mixed up there,
but yeah, it's okay. But he always hate those are
the type of people that always need their their umbrellas,
or the people that do live shots, oh TV.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
And then maybe we could just pretend that tomorrow's a
hurricane and he could be one of those new use
caskers that's struggling to move a little bit when the
wins like two miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean, god, bless Nick. He was there today. Joe
Person was there, Vashti Hurt was there, like they were
all standing in the rain.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
And or Mike Kaye and his uh and his notepad. Oh,
his notepad was getting the worst of it. Yeah, got
it got ruined. They got ruined.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now now I feel like I should have People are
telling me on the text line, either don't use an
umbrella at all, or you should have ordered the umbrella
hat on the text line, and I just feel like
I'd look like a big old moron walking around at
NFL training camp with an umbrella hat.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I feel like you have to be over fifty or
mac to do something like.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That, maybe, like if you're out walking the dog or
I don't know. I'm there in an official capacity and
wearing that hat makes me make me feel like any way,
and it's.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
The problem you run it too. I feel like if
you have an umbrella hat, you gotta.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Go full Dad. You have to go like full one Dad,
call like jean shorts and dad new balances.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
And stuff, and you got to have the socks all
the way up. Oh, I don't mind that look that last.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You don't have it. And you don't have enough gray
hairs too, in my opinion. And they're coming, though they're coming.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'll get there all right, seven or four front ways
away ninety you're really hiding it well to just for men.
Stumptown Cobra KB. I'm a forty one year old employee
had American Airlines. I work in the catering department. It's
about a quarter mile from our parking lot to our
building where we work. I broke out my golf umbrella
this morning and walked through that monsoon at six fifteen.
Had I not used it, I would have been drenched.
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See again, there is utility to them. I don't judge
people who do. I just feel and feel like I
look awkward walking around with an umbrella. It's probably something
I got to get over. I've never bought one, I've
never really used one, and now I'm going to give
it a shot because I think Amazon just dropped it
off at the house like an hour ago.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So even as a kid, you didn't use umbrella. I
mean I used my mom's umbrellas.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But that goes back to US Marine Corday saying umbrellas
are for women and children, Like my only experience is
probably backed that up. Anyway, they practiced in the in
the rain today and there were I did see some
people today talking about how Man, it would be nice
if they had that practice facility in rock Hill.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know, they need to go ahead and hurry up
and build this field house in the new location. Joe
person was tweeting about that, and they do. You know,
I'm sure want it, and I'm sure they feel like
they need it and were this to stay and listen.
Tomorrow's forecast is identical to today's forecast. Tomorrow should be
similarly sloppy and soaked, and that might make for a
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less than stellar joint practice with the Browns. That remains
to be seen. But you do have to play football
in the rain sometimes, you do have to play this
game in the elements sometimes, Like this isn't basketball or
hockey where you play indoors. It's not baseball where the
game gets stopped if it's raining too hard. It's football.
You got to play through it, rain, snow, sleet, wind.
You play in the elements in football. That's a part
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of this game. So we got a lot of looks
at him this morning. I didn't up close, obviously, but
you know, looking at all the videos and stuff, they
got a what apparently was a decently spirited practice in
the rain this morning.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
What you got over there two words Lafe and ransom.
Oh yeah, that guy was loving the rain. He's an
Arizona native, right, Yeah, they don't get much rain out there,
an Arizona native who played at Ohio State and now
is here in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, it's like a kid from the South going up
north to play football and like seeing big snow for
the first time, Like it's probably what those guys from
you know, Alabama experience when they go play in Buffalo
for the first time, Like, oh my god, look at
all the snow. So Lathan Ransom was dancing in the rain.
They had a good time out there. Bryce Young, you know,
looked like he had a pretty good practice. I know
that the offense actually made a fair number of plays
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today out there in the rain, so much so that
apparently Derek Brown and J. C. Horn and I believe
Ashawn Robinson pulled the defense together to reset before team
drills because they weren't loving what they were seeing. And
you know, before you freak out about that, we all
know enough about training camp at this point to know
that good days and bad days happen. And you know,
it's that kind of stuff that I think forty fives
(09:43):
and galvanizes teams. So you gotta feel good about, you know,
hearing that sort of stuff and dB taking on the
leadership role, JC taking on the leadership role. You know,
things like that, we had the kicker, Ryan Fitzgerald one
of five on the Skinny Post today kicking and that's
not great. Like I first of all, have you seen
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the skinny posts up close?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Have you seen those things up close?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It looks like they're like the regular height of normal
field goals or field goal polls post half the width basically,
and it looks like it's made out of all like PVC,
and so I bet you the entire thing doesn't weigh
more than sixty pounds.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
It's pretty amazing to watch them move those things around.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
It's basically the arena football league field goal kicking that
you have to go for. Yeah, especially like that, except
with a lot a lot of the without a lot
of the stanchers that are missing because it's not in
an arena and they don't need that stuff. So that's
essentially what a skinny post is. So yeah, And I
know Joe said he would have made three of the
five three more if it was a regular field goal,
(10:44):
But it's just one of those things where great, this
is how he's following up his rough outing in fan
Fest on Saturday, and it's kind of making me concerned.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
For as much as Eddie Panio, I think it was
right to move on from him despite his high efficiency
when it came to his field goal percentage. I just
think he didn't get the long field goals enough. And
then the fact that he hurt himself when celebrating. He
pulled a grammatica, not a full marching or Bill grammatica,
but he pulled a half grammatica when he celebrated that
game winning field goal in Germany.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's just you couldn't really trust him.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And now, unfortunately, I feel like we could have a
situation Carolina had back in twenty twelve when they were
trying to find a kicker, because before they found Graham Gano,
it was a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Of who's this guy, Who's this guy?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, it was when they started when they let go
of John Casey Daring the lockout and didn't let him
go to New Orleans because New Orleans is like, hey,
we need to kick her, and instead they felt or
Lindo Mara would be a good replacement as a veteran kicker.
He sucked. He cost Carolina at least two games. I
was at the Atlanta game he cost him, and he
also cost him the Minnesota game. And then in twenty
twelve it didn't get any better because there were a
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cavalcade of kickers that I'm trying to remember who they
brought in. Oh here, Justin Medlock. You ever heard that name?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I yeah, I think, but not in any meaningful way. Yeah,
it was Justin Medlock was the kicker for the first
half a year. He was okay, okay, then they luckily
found this guy named Graham Gano on the street. Yeah,
and for as much crap as people gave Graham. So anyway,
but like it's a good oral history. But my question is, like,
are you suddenly concerned, like a lot of people are today,
the kicking is going to be an issue for this team.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I've kind of been a little bit concerned, especially since
we haven't gotten a definitive answer, and the fact that
we still don't have a definitive answer at that it's
making me concerned because we've seen how teams that don't
have a kicker can cost themselves, and when we're talking
about maybe being in a hunt, maybe not, this is
a massive factor. As small as the kicker position is,
how we talk about it on the airways, when it
(12:45):
becomes a deal, it's not good. And a prime example
of that was when the Bucks selected Roberto Guyo in
the NFL's draft of the second round and they felt
they had their kicker fixed. Yep, he had the hips
in the worst possible way and it got to the
point where they had to let.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Him go after a year.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So it's one of those situations to where and that
Bucks team was actually pretty dang good. I believe there
are like nine and seven that year, maybe as good
as ten and six. If Roberto Oguio is actually a
half decent kicker, that Bucks team could have made playoffs.
Would have been the first playoff appearance for them in
nine years. Yeah, So stuff like that can have a
huge difference on the outcomes of some of these games.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm with you seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten.
Hit us up on the FanDuel text line. Ryan Fitzgerald,
the kicker out of Florida State, going one for five
on the skinny post today at practice. He's not had
a great training camp so far. He's competing with the
veteran matthew Wright, who I believe is on like his
third or fourth stop in Carolina. I forget how many
times he's been here. None of them he's been on
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the active ross well maybe one, I think one time. Yeah, actually,
I was on the active roster. But we rattled off
matthew Wright's career arc and his journeys the other day.
He's been with like eight different teams, multiple stints with
several of those. But he might actually be the better
guy because, like we talked about the other day, these kickers,
you know, many of them, not all of them. It's
not a steadfast rule, but a lot of these kickers
(14:02):
tend to get better over time, you know, as you
would expect. That's not really a shocker. They can play
a long time, they learn tricks of the trade, they
see more kicks, they see more critical moment kicks. A
lot of them do improve, some don't, and they end
up you know, working an insurance or whatever else like
everybody else does. But you know, this one I was wondering,
is Ryan Fitzgerald going to take the bull by the
(14:25):
horns here or is he going to succumb to the
pressure and the veteran matthew Wright ends up with the
job And that might be the best thing overall. But
the last couple of years, right since Graham Gano his
time ended here, we've seen a run of what Joey Slies,
Zane Gonzalez, Eddie Pinero.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And the problem was Zain was he wasn't bad. He
was actually good. He didn't that much leg strength yet
have enough leg strength. It got hurting the most inopportunity times.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well that too, but he also you couldn't if you
needed a fifty seven to fifty eight yard field goal
to win a game, you had to question whether or
not he had the leg to get it there A lot,
a lot of the.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Time you had a couple of fifty plus yarders in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I know he's capable. He wasn't one of the stronger
legged kickers in the NFL. You're right about the injuries.
That was a big part of it, especially toward the
injuries at that But wasn't Didn't he have the longest
streak of made field goals in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
For a while.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Consistent consecutively. I thought so, don't. At one point he
had the longest streak in the NFL. I thought, I
think that might be right. A new note that for
about two weeks last year, Eddie Panero had the highest
field goal percentage in NFL history for a kicker, But
then that kind of went by the wayside after he
got hurt and he clearly wasn't one hundred percent. Just
one of those things where it looks like matthew Wright
(15:35):
could be the safe option, Like he's not amazing, but
he also can get enough of the job done. Yeah,
and he's been around the league. But Ryan Fitzgerald maybe
has a little bit more potential. Unfortunately, that potential is
not being carved out in stone and looked like, right,
can do it.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I actually just looked it up. Kyle.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
His career field field goal percentage, this being matthew Wright
actually isn't the worst eighty seven point three percent when
and when you look at a guy who he's been
a journeyman kicker who's been all across the world essentially,
that's not half bad. He actually did kick in one
Panthers game. Okay, he missed a fifty plus yard attempt
in twenty twenty three. Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, I completely forgot.
(16:15):
He even attempted to get what game was that I forget.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
If you forget, then it's got to be the least
memorable thing of all time.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well, I mean it was the twenty twenty three season.
I like to forget that season. That was the Reich here. Yeah,
so the put in perspective. His rookie year was twenty twenty.
He was the kicker for the Steelers during the COVID year.
In twenty twenty one, he replaced the guy who Urban
Meyer kicked in the foot in Jacksonville, so he got that.
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In twenty twenty two, he was back with Pittsburgh, but
also filled in for an injured Harrison Butker in Kansas
City twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Was here in Carolina twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Josh Lambeau. By the way, thank you, Josh Lambeau twenty
twenty four. Here's what he did. He played for San
Francisco for a game, he played for the Chiefs for
a game to replace for a Harrison Bucker, and he
played for Tennessee for two games.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He just can't stick anywhere.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
No, he's like, he's like the Kenny lofton if kickers.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Wow, all right, seven oh four five, seven ninety six ten.
Multiple people asking about Justin Tucker on the text line
if he's available. Pretty sure he's available. Don't think they're
going down that road personally.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Plus he's washed. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
A lot of folks lamenting the Harrison Butker situation and
the fact that the Panthers.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Let him go.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
We've been down that road a couple of times. That's
that's water under multiple bridges. At this point, I'm not
saying they made the right call. In hindsight over Graham
Gano probably was not the right call.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I will say though, hindsight being twenty twenty or fifty
to fifteen cam Newton parlance, maybe if they would have
handled just A. Graham Gano's injuries a little bit better,
he'd still be here.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well, it's funny because you mentioned like that cycle of
a Linda Mara and who was the other one?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You said, Medlock?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Medlock, you know, post John Casey, And it's kind of
the same thing with g post Graham Gano. It's been
a slew of kickers that just really didn't get the
job done well enough to keep the job for a
period of time. And I think of John Casey, and
I think of you always telling people to put some
respect on that man's name.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So when we come back, I want to talk more
about training camp. But I was thinking about this before
the show today, and I think about the show often.
Who is the the most disrespected individual in the history
of Charlotte Sports? The player the coach, the athlete, the executive,
(18:33):
the media member, like it could be anybody organizing official.
I'll leave it open to you, right, But we always
talk about respect. Who gets it? Who doesn't? You know,
who gets disrespected, puts some respect on his name. Who
is the most disrespected individual? You know, the guy that
you think doesn't get his due still to this day
in the history of Charlotte sports, we'll talk about it.
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Speaker 5 (19:11):
Dumb, but do nail's a foot It's been come in well.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Sports Radio ninety two to seven wfn Z KB and
smoke Nick Carbony, NBC Charlotte eighteen minutes away. It's a
wet one out there also a thirty degree swing in
the last week. We went from heat dome to not
even breaking into the seventies today. But let's go what
let's look for. It's not a problem, not the slightest.
(19:48):
It's not a problem, not in the slightest. Although I
did see the guys over at the Crown Club reminding
all the Charlotte newbies earlier today that don't be fooled
by this fall is not here this is not real.
It's not an indication that falls around the corner. In fact,
we are still in the first week of August, so
you know, three weeks from now you might be miserable.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Just don't buy it.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, I'm not buying fall until we get to early October.
Oh yeah, yeah, like that's right around this time. In
early October is when things start to really start feeling.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Like no, no, no, no, you got to give me
a forty eight degree Saturday morning in college game day
before I'm buying that Fall is here.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Okay, so we're talking late October by that point, yeah,
I mean, nah, it just depends.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I mean, yeah, you're not really not far off. But
you know, we get some of the early to October ones.
Of those two He's happened a lot more when I
was a kid. It doesn't happen that much anymore. I
don't know, man, happened a decent amount last year.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
We do forget things I've noticed, and I've just it's
a product of getting older. You do think that you're
noticing trends of things, or that things you remember them
maybe differently than they were last Fall is pretty nice.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Not gona lie about that, so.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
It did get cooler a lot quicker, but like for
the most part the last decade, it stayed a lot
warmer throughout the months of September.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now, if you're one of the Ohio transplants who's looking
forward to saying they're Browns in town this weekend, don't
buy into it. It's it's not here yet. The seventh
Circle of Hell is still probably somewhere around the corner,
and it's likely going to show up around September the sixth,
because that's the way things happened. So but it is nice.
The thirty degree swing has been absolutely wild. But to
be outside and walking around and not sweating profusely has
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been just lovely. Seven oh four five, seven ninety six
to ten. Hit us up on the FanDuel text line
eight to eight. Number just said we are two weeks
away from the start of high school football. And what
he said, it'll be ninety degrees on the first night. Yeah,
and you'll have a third of each team cramping by
the end of the first quarter.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Pickle juice sales going up here, baby, Let's go Mount Olive.
Remember we were at the at the golf tournament. Golf,
the golf tournament. A couple of years ago, the mount
Olive guys were selling shots of pickle juice. They were
sponsoring our live broadcast.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Thank got ahead of water to chase that one down, man,
because that was something strong. I've been great to have
those on the sideline in high school, right, just shots
of pickle juice on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Oh. Now, guys got to a point where some guys
learned the hard way.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
They had to get like Mason jars of like pickle
juice to get ready for games.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Oh yeah, but I love pickle juice.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's well, you know you're lost, but more for the
rest of us.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
All right, we asked the question.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We talked a bit about the rain and umbrellas Panthers
practice today. More hard football stuff coming your way in
just a bit, but we got we're having a conversation
about respect. Who is the most disrespected individual in the
history of Charlotte professional or just Charlotte sports in general.
Doesn't have to be professional sports, but like the history
of Charlotte sports, who is the most disrespected individual or
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put another way, who doesn't get their full credit their
due in your mind? In the year twenty twenty five
seven four five seven, ninety six to ten. Very interesting
answers coming in several Cam Newton's as I would expect,
and I'm not going to argue with that. I think
it's a layered conversation we'll come back to. But I
do think there's some more interesting submissions on the text
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line right now. Again, a lot of Cam Newton. We
had George Shin come in a handful of times. Carolina
Chilly was the first one that I saw. He said,
George Shin and it's not close somebody else Taylor and
conover KB. George Shen is one of the most disrespected
people in Charlotte sports history.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Hear me out.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yes he's hated for taking the team to New Orleans,
but he did so much for the city and putting
Charlotte on the map. Without him, there is no Carolina
Panthers coming in ninety five. Listening to Scott Fowler's interview
of Shin on his podcast is very eye opening. I
think the shinned discussion is fascinating. Like there would be
no Charlotte Hornets without George Shin, right, I think we
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can agree on that. That's not to say there would
never have been pro basketball here, but there'd never be
the Charlotte Hornets. I mean in the eighties, if you
were not around the Ogs, I'm preaching to the choir.
But if you weren't around, I mean, Charlotte was considered
a bit of a long shot to get a pro
sports franchise back in the eighties. Very regional city, no
major league teams, not much of a national profile. People
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confused it was Charlotteville, Virginia with Charleston, South Carolina. It
just it was a very different place. And so George
Shinn investing time and money and you know, political capital
to secure a franchise here in the late eighties. It
was a transformative moment for Charlotte to go from a
growing banking hub southern city without much national profile to
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a full fledged pro sports market. So without George Shin,
it's very possible, even likely, that Charlotte Pro Sports would
have been on a very different trajectory, likely lagging behind probably,
And again, you don't want to give too much credit
to a singular individual, but Charlotte Pro Sports as we
know it as a city today does not look the
way it looks without George Schinn doing what he did
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back in the mid eighties.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I honestly, as much as I like to take my
shots at George Shinn for what he did and not
being able to see consistently competent basketball here, yeah, you
have to give him as doing this one. Yeah, it
definitely does because well, I don't think it was the
end all be off for to how Carolina Papers got here.
I think it did help a lot of people in
the NFL officers saying, hey, see what the Charlotte Hornets
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are doing. I mean, their team's is not good, but
they're completely selling out those arenas night in, night out. Yeah,
that's there might be something there. And I know the
Hornets were wildly popular for the first ten years. Specifically, yes,
insanely popular.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And I've told you this, but like I still actually
sent a video about this to my wife the other
day because she that was several months ago or a
year or two ago, times of Flat Circle. But I
was trying to explain to my wife how big a
deal the Hornet's starter jacket was back in the nineties,
and she was like, the stop, there's no, no, no,
you don't get it. Like it was it was on TV,
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you know, in unrelated TV shows. It was in hip
hop videos. It was you know, the Hornets starter jacket
was like one of the three to five most popular
starter jackets, NFL, NBA, major League Baseball. It just was
right because of the color scheme and it was cool
and it was new and so there for a while
in the early years, the first decade, the Hornets were
wildly pops. Charlotte Coliseum was you know, that attendance, that
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that atmosphere was among the best in the league. You know,
you had the teal in purple branding, Hugo the mascot,
the brand of play Up temper View Goo. Yeah, dude,
like it was. It was cool. It was a fun
fan culture. It was something that people loved and appreciated.
And I know that's hard for a lot of people
to wrap their head around now, but that was absolutely
the case. And then, you know, you fast forward to
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George Schin and the sexual misconduct lawsuit and allegations in
nineteen ninety nine, which really damaged his image here in Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Seven.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It was in ninety seven. I think it was like
I think it would a trial in ninety nine, Is
that what it was? Okay, Well, anyway, I mean, it
hurt his image and people stopped supporting him, you know,
to kind of spite. They stopped supporting the team despite
the man, and.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The team was actually really good. Yeah. Some of the
better years were after the trial. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And then you know, he had the whole thing wanting
to get new a new arena. I really because I
think if it wasn't for a sexual trial case, they
would have stayed. I don't think there would have been
there would have been problems with trying to get a
new arena, yeah maybe, but I think there would have
not as been as much pushback trying to give something
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to George Sin after the trial.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah. I really believe that.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
So it just it's one of those you know, you
kind of wish you could go to a different alternate reality,
see what would have happened if they zigged instead of ZAC. Yeah,
absolutifically George Sin, because I think they would have never left.
And who knows if New Orleans ever has a basketball team,
who knows. We probably don't really talk about Bob Johnson
that much in this city. We don't know much about
equestrian games, and who knows. I mean, that would have
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definitely changed things with Michael Jordan too.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, so yeah, that's true. Miserable human being. On the
text line, that guy needs a new name. It's hard
for me to say, and I'm sure he doesn't like it,
But a miserable human being, says Jerry Richardson, with his
alleged flaws, is still heads above the buffoon owner we have. Now,
it's funny you say that because a few people have
said David Tepper is too disrespected in the city. We
can get back to that. His journey has not been finished. Yeah,
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but like you know, and I'm not lumping these guys
in as if they're all the same. But when we
were talking about hul Cogan last week, or you know O. J.
Simpson before that, or Joe Paterno, or you know any
number of famous individuals who have passed away night sure
that have you know, complex nuanced legacies and stories. There's good,
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there's bad, there's you know, stuff in the gray area. Yeah, yeah,
I mean Jerry Richardson. You know, we aren't having the
same conversations today, if we're having conversations at all without
Jerry Richardson doing what he did. Jerry came from a
different era. Jerry believed different things than a lot of
people do believe today. Some are the same obviously, but
like you know, Jerry was a lot of things to
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a lot of people. To some people, he was a
misogynist and a racist, you know. To others, like his
former players like Cam Newton and Steve Smith and Thomas Davis,
you know, he was a grandfatherly figure who stepped up
for them and helped them out in ways that had
nothing to do with football. And of course he made
them rich men by paying them handsomely to play football.
But yeah, I mean, I think it's fair to say
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that Jerry Richardson, I know, in the eyes of some people,
is too disrespected in the year twenty twenty five, after
the way that everything went down back in twenty eighteen.
So yeah, I expected to get that text when I
asked this question. A few more of these coming in
real quick. We have Marty Herney, who I like that
NASCAR bral Marty Herney is by far the most disrespected
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individual in Charlotte sports history. Not many GMS draft two
potential Hall of famers, definitely a top half NFL GM.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Two potential Hall of famers and one already in the
Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the
only we all know.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
The knock on Marty was that he was great in
the first round, very checkered beyond that well, and checkered
might be a bit kind in certain drafts.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I wouldn't say that too, because Colin Hoggard has been
beating his trump for years and he's absolutely right. When
did Marty's drafting prowess start to go downhill? Two thousand
and eight. That's when he was already being told by
Jerry to get ready for the lockout. So that's why
he had to make a trade up to try and
give more picks away for Jeff Otall. He knew he
didn't have that many picks in two thousand and nine,
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so he made another trade up to get Everett Brown
because he knew he was going to lose Julius Peppers
because Jerry wasn't going to pay him Peppers the money
because he was getting ready for a lockout. A lot
of the stuff that happened in Marty one point zero,
especially on the back end of the term, it was
the fault of someone being a penny pincher because he
didn't want to give the players a new contract while
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he was getting ready for a massive lockout. Now, Marty
two point zero, all right, fair, but you know, I
feel like the best had come for him and everything
had passed like he was. Not to say Marty Hernie
that he was previously, but Marty Herney from two thousand
and two to two thousand and eight definitely does not
get enough credit. You look at some of the mid
round guys he had from his first five to six
years in the NFL Draft, and I know there's guys
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like him Dwayne Jarrett, but you know he also got
Ryan Kleil in that same round two. I definitely think
Marty Hernie deserves a lot of credit too, even though
he is a punching back.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
All right, I'm with you on that. We got to
put a pin in this.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
The most disrespected individuals in the history of Charlotte Sports.
Who doesn't get enough respect, who takes too much disrespect,
who doesn't get their due as we look back on
decades of history now with Charlotte Professional Sports. Just something
I was thinking about this morning as I was up
and moving around seven oh four, five, seven ninety six
to ten. Hit us up on the FanDuel text line.
We will come back to this. Nick CARBONI with a
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practice report on the other side. Right now we go
to smoke on the headlines.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Who is smoke? Where is smoke? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Let's go what you got? All right?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Well, the Cleveland Browns quarterback room gets yet a nutter
shake up, as yesterday they signed quarterback Pro Bowler Tyler
Snoop Huntley to be.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Are they doing, Like I know there's some injuries, but like,
what are they doing at the quarterback position? You could
argue that, like the best thing to do is start
Joe Flacco week one, because he's a veteran and he's
been there and he's done it. But you could also
argue that Joe Flacco's not your future and he's kind
of careless with the football and he's you may as
well get the future started. And it seems to me
like Shador Sanders has had the best statistical training camp
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so far of any quarterback, but they've got him listed
fourth on the depth chart.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah, for those who are wondering what how many quarterbacks
do they have? In who are quarterbacks? Joe Flacco is
the elder statesman of the room. They also have former
first round pick any Picketts that's number two. Then you
have the two guys they took this past year to
draft Dylan Gabriel and Scheudur Sanders and now Tyler Snoop
Punkh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I mean they've had some wacky quarterback rooms since their revival,
but this one might take the cake.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, all right, Well come back, Nick Carboni NBC Charlotte
Practice Report. He had his umbrella out today at practice,
braving the elements. We'll talk to him next. Sports Radio
ninety two to seven wfn Z. Who is the most
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disrespected individual in the history of Charlotte Sports, who doesn't
get enough credit in the year twenty twenty five? Hit
me up on the FanDuel text line seven oh four
five seven ninety six ten. A spirited discussion taking place
right now on the FanDuel text line. Coach Daddy just said,
Gerald Wallace is that Walker Mail's burner, because that's what
he of course multiple people will have that opinion, but
(33:34):
I asked Walker Male the same question before he left
the studio today and immediately his first answer was Gerald Wallace.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, it's kind of become the the go to one
when it comes to CHARLTTE.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
But it's become so mainstream.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I think he's actually gotten his recognition rightfully so because
he kept the lights on during the initial Bobcat years.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Oh yeah, he was the show.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
It was basically him. And who's he going against? Oh
he's going against Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's like, hey, we're gonna see uh, Jered Walls go
against the Heat or we're gonna see Jerald Walls go
against Paul gas Hall and the Grizzlies.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, all right, nine eight o numbers, says Bruton Smith.
I don't know about that. Like, I feel like Bruton
got a lot of respect. There was controversy, there.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Were I was gonna say that person might be from
Wilkes Brouw that might be why.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Okay, But like in Charlotte, in this market, I feel
like Bruton was a highly respected guy. Not beloved by everybody,
but was respected. Bruton got his way on a lot
of things. Like Bruton got a lot of things done
while he was alive and running things here in Charlotte.
So it's interesting that people would send that. In Dom
Caper's coming in Trayler Park, Thomas is how about the
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Hogfather Dave Gettleman, Well, I mean Yeah, there's a there's
a case to be made there too, So keep him
coming on the FanDuel text line seven oh four five,
seven oh ninety six ten.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
We will return to this.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Also a lot of James Barrego, a lot of James
Barrego on the text line. And I have people telling
me to stay away from the umbrella hat. And if
I'm gonna do anything, can either use an umbrella tomorrow
with practice or suck it up and wear a raincoat.
Our next guest went with the umbrella.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
He's a TV guy.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And while I dabble in some TV, mostly on the
play by play side, you know I'm a radio guy
at heart. Nick Carboni is a TV man. He's always
buttoned up, the shirt's always tucked in, he's always camera ready,
and I expect TV guys to carry around an umbrella
for that reason. And I saw his photo today. He
was locked and loaded with the umbrella, ready for practice
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as the Panthers brave the elements, and Nick Carboni did too.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
He's back with us on the hot lines. Nick Carboni,
what's going on? Brother? How are you.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Oh for being that prepared? My wife happens to have
an umbrella in the car. So yeah, that was all
her and I happen to be driving said car today.
Really other than that, yeah, I would have been high
and dry without that.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So I left the house earlier this morning with the
intent of coming to practice. It dawned on me as
I drew near the city that this was not slowing
down anytime soon. And I've never purchased an umbrella in
my life. I mean, I can't say that I've never
owned one. I think I might have stolen one from
mom or Dad at one point, but like, I've never
owned one. So Amazon just dropped off my very first
umbrella in my life this afternoon. So I skipped out
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on practice. I didn't want to get the feet wet.
But I'm going to go out there and brave it
tomorrow for joint practice. So I need you to catch
the people up today you were out there. What did
they accomplish in the driving rain today at practice?
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (36:26):
I guess just preparing four elements like that. There were
a lot of footballs on the ground. It was absolutely challenging.
I mean we were talking about constant torrential, hard driving
battle rain drops coming down the entire practice. The ball
no matter how much they tried to keep it dry
and how many they rotate in and out going to
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be wet. But I did see several nighte throws, anticipation
anticipation throws that you know we've come accustomed to from
Bryce Young. There were some really good dots from Young today.
He was intercepted by rookie Leathan Ransom in the end zone,
so you know that was kind of one for.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
The defense there.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
But very challenging day to catch the football, and you
could tell all over the field individual drills, team drills,
didn't matter what position. The receivers actually weren't wearing gloves,
which we initially thought maybe a challenge from Dave Canalis, like, hey,
go go and catch it without one, but he told
us no, sometimes when it's raining like that, it's actually
harder to catch the ball with those wet gloves on.
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So you know, they got work in the padded practice.
Will happen tomorrow against the Browns. I don't know if
it's going to be quite as constant with the rain
tomorrow as it was today, but that stood out. I thought,
you know, when it comes to Bryce Young, thought he
made some really really nice throws. Did have the interception though.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Okay, speaking of catching the football, what do you think
of the camp that ted Ron McMillan is having so far?
I see it being characterized as up and down by
some people. I've seen enough things that I like. He's
also disappeared for stretches. What do you think of them
that he's having individually?
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we had a lot of
national media out there today and I don't think it
would have been anything that made their headlines. Right. Sometimes
it hasn't even made ours. Instead of up and down,
I would kind of go down and then up and
up and you know, maybe flatten and then up. I
think he's getting better. I think he's progressing. I really
do think the physicality of the pro game has been
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something that he has really had to adjust to. And
he told us that last week, and that's what his coach,
Dave Canalis told us. But think about who he's going
up against. It's not just JC Horn, it's also Mike
Jackson in stretches and even Corey Thornton, this undrafted kid
who's got some link to him. He's not going to
face that every time out on the field. He's not
going to get covered by every team's big corner, and
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even Mike Jackson told us today, like most teams have
like a big guy and a little guy. Not everybody's
got the link and the size of the corners that
the Panthers have. So that's what he's going up against.
They are challenging him every day. And what we've heard
from Tetiroa, from Dave Canalis, and even Mike Jackson today
is he does the drill and then he wants to
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talk about it. Okay, why didn't that work? Why were
you able to knock me off my spot here? And
Mike Jackson told us today that he does it and
then you talk to him about it, and then the
next week he's implementing it. So I think that's a
great sign. But you know, we saw the one incredible
catch last week.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
We didn't see that.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
There were some misconnections last after that. That was Wednesday,
I think, and then Friday at practice they had a
bit of a misconnection and really didn't connect much on
Saturday at FanFest, So you know, they've been a couple
drops in there too. But I think he is progressing
and getting better. Not willing to call it like a
bad camp at all, but nothing to say.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Is Ben a sensational camp Well.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I mean, Dave Canalis told us today was a gift, right,
all that weather, the opportunity to practice in the rain.
I'm sure you felt that, right. It was a gift
to you as well to be out there in those
elements and experience that together. But in all seriousness, he
did put the guys in pads and he wanted to
a very physical scrimmage at fan Fest on Saturday. I
took it in from the stands, which is obviously a
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bit of a different experience. I don't have the press
box Pa feeding me stats and you know, all the
commentary from you and Mike Ky and Joe person to
contextualize everything. But like, what did you think of fan Fest?
What they accomplished, what anything stood? Did anything stand out
to you in a good or bad way? From Saturday's
fan Fest?
Speaker 6 (40:23):
I think it was a good fan fest, you know.
I think they announced forty five thousand you can you
know some of the people who like to count every
single one of them and say no, it was just
just pay you right, Yeah, okay, But I thought I
thought there was a good vibe. I thought there was
a good vibe and I thought it was a nice
chance for this team and this fan base to kind
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of connect for the only time of training camp, and
you know, obviously there's a lot of anticipation coming off
the close of last season. I did like how it
was structured. I mean simply because we just saw you know,
team drill one way, team drill the other way, team
real the other way, and a lot of it was
Bryce Young. We got a lot of looks at Bryce Young.
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Thought he made some nice throws in that too. There
were some drafts, there were some pass breakups, there are
some interceptions. You know. I thought you could take a
good amount from that fully padded practice in some elements
and just constantly seeing eleven on eleven. There really wasn't
a break to go one on one or individual. Once
they got going, they really kept it like a game scenario.
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So I thought that was probably.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
A good thing.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Nick Carbony, NBC Charlotte hanging out with us back to
the offense really quickly. There was some handwringing, I guess
this morning I saw online about the fact that Hunter
Renfro did not practice again today. It's been a week
since he practiced as of today. But like this one
to me, seems kind of simple. He's got a hamstring
and bringing him back in the driving rain probably doesn't
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seem like a very smart idea to me.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Right, Yeah, and that's a great point, And there were
obviously elements on Saturday night as well. So we'll see
if he's out there tomorrow for padded although we may
be looking at some of the same weather, and then
we'll see what happens Friday. I'm not sure if he
hasn't practiced the last couple of games, and at that
point will be a week and a half if they're
gonna throw him out there Friday. So he was obviously
great stories for the first week and a half of camp.
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That doesn't mean he can't come back, get back on
the field and prove that he's continuing towards the hunter
renfro that made the Pro Bowl with the Raiders. But
I'll tell you who had a heck of a catch
on Saturday night was David Moore, And if it's down
to those two, he's not going down without a fight.
He had some moments last year and a good connection
with Bryce Young and was a somewhat reliable target for him,
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So that'll be interesting to see when Renfro is going
to be able to put that ability of availability back
out there for the coaching staff to see. But yeah,
I think that's about four or five practices in a
row now that he has not been able to go.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, listen, I'm with you on that. And I'm a
big David Moore fan, and I catch some heat for that.
Not as much these days, but like I do still
catch some heat from people who are like, what do
you see He's got to go? And I'm like, no,
I like this guy, Like, I think he's gotten better.
They like him in the locker room. He's got strong hands.
I like him a lot now real quick. On the
other side of the football, Lathan Ransom, like this dude's
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making a name for himself. Already had that big hit
in the back of the end zone on Saturday at FanFest,
So I'm out there dancing today. One of the veterans
was really heaping praise on him earlier today. Maybe you
recall who that was, but you know, I'm hesitant to
say that he's ready to make a real impact in
week one, but it seems like they're comfortable with him
back there, and that he's comfortable with the job they've
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given him.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Well, listen, they still haven't gone out and signed that
free agent safety that we thought in May they were
bound to do, right. So a lot of that is
Demani Richardson, But now here comes Lathan Ransom. I thought
he had a great night on Saturday night. He was
physical and maybe towed the line a little bit too much.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Dave Canalis said, you.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Might be getting a letter from the league for some
of that stuff out there. You got to kind of
pull it back. But that's you know, I think that's
a positive for that, that's a net positive for this squad.
They want the physicality from this guy from a rookie safety.
And yeah, it was Mike Jackson, the veteran you're talking
about who was praising tests. Iron McMillan also when he
asked was asked about Laithan Ransom, one of the first
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words he said was smart. He's picking things up. You know,
you tell him one thing one day and he's got
it the second day. He's a great, big personality. Our
Daniel Stein went one on one with him. I think
she just tweeted that out. He's one of his rookie
assignments from the defensive backfield the veterans was to create
a handshake for every single guy, So like he starts
practice doing like eight or nine different handshakes around the
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around the squads. So you know, they they obviously were
needing physicality at that position last year. The head of
that is going to be Trayvon Merrick. But if they
can get that with Domani Richardson and Leathan Ransom in
his first year, that's gonna.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Be a big plus.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
But he's definitely a guy that that isn't afraid to
mix it up. And uh, you know, we'll see how
the coverage skills do and all of but you know,
I think I think he's really impressed the last couple
of practices.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
All right.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Nick Carboni, NBC Charlotte, hanging out with us here on
a Tuesday. Glad to hear you doing well, buddy. We
will see you out there tomorrow morning. I will not
need to share an umbrella.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I will bring that out, all right, Thanks buddy, Thank you, Budy.
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Nick Carbonie hanging out seven oh four, five seven oh
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