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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now is promise. We talked some football of the
Panthers variety with the Panthers beat writer you all know
him is a household name. Joe, person of the athletic
is back with us on the body Works plus guest
hotline Joe, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome back for vacation.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Thanks man, it's good to be back. I just got
a text from a friend not I said, do you
miss New England weather yet? And I was like, yeah,
only in the summer, only in the summer, but yeah,
it's pretty hot round.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So what's I mean, you've been out there in the heat. Well,
it's not been that hot just yet, but you've been
out there covering this team this week in the first
week of training camp. I've read your recaps, I read
yesterday's piece. But for anybody who hasn't highlights this week,
what stood out.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So far Princely whom and me? Allen's first step off
the edge and yeah, listen, I really don't I say
that somewhat tongue in cheek, but not really. I mean,
and again, you and I've talked for years that you
don't want to put too much emphasis on practices in
(00:56):
shorts and helmets and shells, like defense should have the
upper hand and and they have offense. You know, hadn't
really gotten to put their hands much on these guys.
But uh, yeah, princely. The first day, of course, it
beats Ikey with an outside move. Either did or didn't
contact Bryce, so I guess he did, but it was inadvertent,
(01:18):
uh to kind of much ado about nothing. But but
then the second day that what I was impressed with
is I watched him beat Icky again with an inside move.
And you know that again, I've had some people on
Twitter saying, well, should we be worrying about, you know,
our our left tackle. I said, not yet. Let's like
(01:39):
it's it's end of July, and and as I just said,
it's they're out there in shorts. So but he caught
my eye that the rookie Jimmy horn speed hadn't made
any like spectacular catches yet, but but he just he
just sort of is sudden and and the kind of
guy you notice going for drill to drill and then
(02:01):
when he gets to the drill. Dave Canalis just said,
he's like he's a guy who elevates practice with that energy.
And I think the more of those guys the Panthers
can start stacking, the better they're going to be.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
All right, So stay on Icky for a second there
when there's talk of a contract negotiation, still feels like
he's got a big year coming up in terms of
proving what he is. What do you imagine the stance
from Dan Morgan and Brent Tillis is right now on
the future Vicky and the contract negotiations.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, I think they were ready to resign him in
the spring at the right price, and Ikey said, you know,
didn't think had they agreed with where the talks were,
they had had a deal done. So we can only
surmise that Icky, you know, thought his value was higher.
And that's how you should start out as a player.
(02:52):
You don't you take their first offer and then you
and I shouldn't do that either in our line of work.
So but I just talking to some people around the
league and even here in Charlotte, these guys are going
to left tackles just by nature of the position. Whatever
you think of Ikey Ikwuanu, and you know two years ago,
(03:14):
he was really bad. Last year with this new coaching
staff in particular, tackles coach Joe Gilbert I thought he
took some really good steps in the right direction, reduced
his penalties, reduced his sacks allowed, and while remaining a
very good run blocker by the way. But any rate
if you're going to pay him, I mean, twenty million
(03:35):
a year is like kind of the starting point, Like
that only gets you in the top twelve. AAVs of
left tackles around the league, and so you're probably looking
a little more than that, you know, to get him
in the top ten, which I would guess his side is,
you know, that's going to be, you know, a minimum
of where they want to be with Ikey Aquana's next contract.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Joe person with us here on a Friday afternoon talking
pay a there's football now Bryce any again, they haven't
put pads on yet, but we do get a quarterback
back who knows the offense. We were just talking about
this a little while ago, so you know, it's not
the unlike last year a year ago. This time you're
not covering I'm not talking about you know, Bryce and
(04:17):
Dave and what's it all going to look like? We
got a sense of that last year that got the
continuity Now anything looked different. Anything stand out already, maybe
in terms of the flow of the offense or Bryce's.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Role in it, not really in fact, as I said,
those first two days, buddy, you know, the defense kind
of had the upper hand. It doesn't. It's not to
say they dominated, and Bryce, you know, was you know,
cowering in a corner of the field. Not at all,
but you know he was picked off both days. I mean,
this is an offense and defense, but but more, you know,
(04:47):
I think it's more instructive from an offensive standpoint when
you are still doing install you don't have all your weapons,
you know, you know, you're you're not showing your hand,
You're barely showing anything because you're still putting the plays
in and that's what Dave Canalis and his offensive staff
are doing right now. But now I've seen him make
(05:08):
some really nice throws to t mac ta, a Roe McMillan.
And then yesterday it just happened to be right in
front of where I was standing in the end zone.
They were doing seven on seven red zone drills and
he Bryce threaded a really nice pass into coverage to
David Moore and he kind of worked his way into
the into the end Zone and David Moore, like, I know,
(05:33):
Hunter Renfro' is a awesome story. And I wrote the
story in June like a lot of us did, and
just you know, everybody loves a good comeback, and he
was through hell with his health and now he's back,
and you pull for a guy like Hunter Renfro. But
David Moore kind of earned the trust of Bryce Young
last year. You know, stats didn't jump off the page,
but they were some of David Moore's best stats in
(05:55):
about three or four years. And so all I'm saying is,
don't sleep on this guy. As camp goes along.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I'm kind of buried the lead here because we've been
I think we've been so tied up with acc stuff.
It's almost taking a back burner this week. But I
was on air Tuesday when the Josie Jewel news broke,
and they've got to figure out exactly what they're going
to do about that. You've written about it. I can't
imagine Christian rose Boom is is their solution. I mean
maybe I'm wrong about that, but what do they do
now without Josie Jewel.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, rose Boom gets the first snaps obviously that they're
not going to rush right out and signing a linebacker
off the couch that hadn't been I think they could
at some point, but I just don't think it's going
to be immediately. And you know, Jacobe Winman started a
couple of games for them last year when when Shaq
got hurt, and I think Trevin Wallace missed a couple
(06:44):
of games, and they it's you know, they have some
guys who with some experience, and Claude cher List is
a guy I get isn't And I know you the
listeners are probably rolling their eyes, and I get it.
You went. You went from Shaq Thompson and Josie Jewell
opening week starters last year to now you've got second
(07:06):
year Trevin Wallace and you know heretofore this year. Journeyman
Christian rose Bum really a special team spot, but he did.
He did have a one hundred and thirty six tackle
season last year for the Rams. And sometimes tackle stats
or whatever and don't necessarily tell you a guy's worth,
but I want to give this guy a couple of
(07:29):
weeks and maybe even into the first game of preseason
games to see how he does. Like I thought, it
was interesting though, right away at Jaro Vero, who knew
him briefly in LA, gave him the green dot like
he is calling defensive signals, Christian rose Boom is rather
than than Trevin Wallace, and so I think there is
(07:49):
a level of respect there among the coaching staff and
the guys who played with him in LA that at
least is worth, you know, kind of seeing what he
can do initially.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, enough, now let's stay on the defense. Demani Richardson
seems like they like him a lot. I mean, I know,
the guy across from me here in the studio had
his fingers crossed for Julian Blackman, but you know he's
in New Orleans instead. Is the do they think the
solution is on the roster? In the former Demonti Richardson, I.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Wrote something at the beginning of this week, just kind
of previewing training camp, and I said that my sense
it was that that kind of like I said at linebacker,
but that they were not going to go sign one
of these these veteran free agent safeties, that they wanted
to give some of these younger guys a chance. And
(08:36):
you know that's what good teams that you know, that
build through the draft, or, in Richardson's case, an undrafted
free agent. You know that good teams do that, and
you're not always trying to patch holes and you know,
until you have to with a bunch of injuries. So
I didn't hate it. Yeah, I did think it was interesting.
You know, Dave can Alis comes at it from a
(08:56):
quarterback coach standpoint where asked him about the play or
richards and really may he ran a long way across
the field to pick off this ball that was that
Bryce's past intended for Rentro and Dave complimented Richardson, but
he did say, yeah, ball is a little overthrown, but
nevertheless he went and made a nice play on the
(09:17):
ball and it was a good start of camp for
the Texas A and m undrafted guy.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Did you see Ocho Cinco declaring he thinks this might
be the best wide receiver room in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Had we talked to Adam
Feeling today on Zoom these guys they didn't practice, they
just a walk through, but and someone asked Feeling about that,
and the backstory, if I understood it correctly, is last year,
maybe around the time the Panthers went out to Vegas
with Andy Dalton at the helm Ocho Cinco was dumping
(09:50):
all over the receiving corps. And I think he and
theel and talked and had a good conversation. And I
think this is sort of perhaps Johnson doing his buddy
feeling a solid by reversing course quite you know, very quickly,
and a one to eighty degree shift from what he
apparently was saying last fall. But listen, it's it's a
(10:14):
better receiving core than it was a year ago. There's
no doubt about it. Just you know, McMillan alone, you know,
rises that boat, raises that tide. And then I mentioned earlier,
I mean horn speed is intriguing. I don't think Jimmy
Horn is necessarily going to be a game changing guy
on this offense right away. I think he could do.
(10:36):
I think he could do some things in a return game,
but I don't know he shoot, I maybe selling him
short of me. You know, he may get out there
and you know, impact some games on offense as well.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Can't wait to find out. Pads go on next week
and I will see you out there, buddy. I appreciate
the time.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Have a good weekend.
Right now is promise. We talked some football of the
Panthers variety with the Panthers beat writer you all know
him is a household name. Joe, person of the athletic
is back with us on the body Works plus guest
hotline Joe, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome back for vacation.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Thanks man, it's good to be back. I just got
a text from a friend not I said, do you
miss New England weather yet? And I was like, yeah,
only in the summer, only in the summer, but yeah,
it's pretty hot round.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So what's I mean, you've been out there in the heat. Well,
it's not been that hot just yet, but you've been
out there covering this team this week in the first
week of training camp. I've read your recaps, I read
yesterday's piece. But for anybody who hasn't highlights this week,
what stood out.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So far Princely whom and me? Allen's first step off
the edge and yeah, listen, I really don't I say
that somewhat tongue in cheek, but not really. I mean,
and again, you and I've talked for years that you
don't want to put too much emphasis on practices in
(00:56):
shorts and helmets and shells, like defense should have the
upper hand and and they have offense. You know, hadn't
really gotten to put their hands much on these guys.
But uh, yeah, princely. The first day, of course, it
beats Ikey with an outside move. Either did or didn't
contact Bryce, so I guess he did, but it was inadvertent,
(01:18):
uh to kind of much ado about nothing. But but
then the second day that what I was impressed with
is I watched him beat Icky again with an inside move.
And you know that again, I've had some people on
Twitter saying, well, should we be worrying about, you know,
our our left tackle. I said, not yet. Let's like
(01:39):
it's it's end of July, and and as I just said,
it's they're out there in shorts. So but he caught
my eye that the rookie Jimmy horn speed hadn't made
any like spectacular catches yet, but but he just he
just sort of is sudden and and the kind of
guy you notice going for drill to drill and then
(02:01):
when he gets to the drill. Dave Canalis just said,
he's like he's a guy who elevates practice with that energy.
And I think the more of those guys the Panthers
can start stacking, the better they're going to be.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
All right, So stay on Icky for a second there
when there's talk of a contract negotiation, still feels like
he's got a big year coming up in terms of
proving what he is. What do you imagine the stance
from Dan Morgan and Brent Tillis is right now on
the future Vicky and the contract negotiations.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, I think they were ready to resign him in
the spring at the right price, and Ikey said, you know,
didn't think had they agreed with where the talks were,
they had had a deal done. So we can only
surmise that Icky, you know, thought his value was higher.
And that's how you should start out as a player.
(02:52):
You don't you take their first offer and then you
and I shouldn't do that either in our line of work.
So but I just talking to some people around the
league and even here in Charlotte, these guys are going
to left tackles just by nature of the position. Whatever
you think of Ikey Ikwuanu, and you know two years ago,
(03:14):
he was really bad. Last year with this new coaching
staff in particular, tackles coach Joe Gilbert I thought he
took some really good steps in the right direction, reduced
his penalties, reduced his sacks allowed, and while remaining a
very good run blocker by the way. But any rate
if you're going to pay him, I mean, twenty million
(03:35):
a year is like kind of the starting point, Like
that only gets you in the top twelve. AAVs of
left tackles around the league, and so you're probably looking
a little more than that, you know, to get him
in the top ten, which I would guess his side is,
you know, that's going to be, you know, a minimum
of where they want to be with Ikey Aquana's next contract.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Joe person with us here on a Friday afternoon talking
pay a there's football now Bryce any again, they haven't
put pads on yet, but we do get a quarterback
back who knows the offense. We were just talking about
this a little while ago, so you know, it's not
the unlike last year a year ago. This time you're
not covering I'm not talking about you know, Bryce and
(04:17):
Dave and what's it all going to look like? We
got a sense of that last year that got the
continuity Now anything looked different. Anything stand out already, maybe
in terms of the flow of the offense or Bryce's.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Role in it, not really in fact, as I said,
those first two days, buddy, you know, the defense kind
of had the upper hand. It doesn't. It's not to
say they dominated, and Bryce, you know, was you know,
cowering in a corner of the field. Not at all,
but you know he was picked off both days. I mean,
this is an offense and defense, but but more, you know,
(04:47):
I think it's more instructive from an offensive standpoint when
you are still doing install you don't have all your weapons,
you know, you know, you're you're not showing your hand,
You're barely showing anything because you're still putting the plays
in and that's what Dave Canalis and his offensive staff
are doing right now. But now I've seen him make
(05:08):
some really nice throws to t mac ta, a Roe McMillan.
And then yesterday it just happened to be right in
front of where I was standing in the end zone.
They were doing seven on seven red zone drills and
he Bryce threaded a really nice pass into coverage to
David Moore and he kind of worked his way into
the into the end Zone and David Moore, like, I know,
(05:33):
Hunter Renfro' is a awesome story. And I wrote the
story in June like a lot of us did, and
just you know, everybody loves a good comeback, and he
was through hell with his health and now he's back,
and you pull for a guy like Hunter Renfro. But
David Moore kind of earned the trust of Bryce Young
last year. You know, stats didn't jump off the page,
but they were some of David Moore's best stats in
(05:55):
about three or four years. And so all I'm saying is,
don't sleep on this guy. As camp goes along.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I'm kind of buried the lead here because we've been
I think we've been so tied up with acc stuff.
It's almost taking a back burner this week. But I
was on air Tuesday when the Josie Jewel news broke,
and they've got to figure out exactly what they're going
to do about that. You've written about it. I can't
imagine Christian rose Boom is is their solution. I mean
maybe I'm wrong about that, but what do they do
now without Josie Jewel.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, rose Boom gets the first snaps obviously that they're
not going to rush right out and signing a linebacker
off the couch that hadn't been I think they could
at some point, but I just don't think it's going
to be immediately. And you know, Jacobe Winman started a
couple of games for them last year when when Shaq
got hurt, and I think Trevin Wallace missed a couple
(06:44):
of games, and they it's you know, they have some
guys who with some experience, and Claude cher List is
a guy I get isn't And I know you the
listeners are probably rolling their eyes, and I get it.
You went. You went from Shaq Thompson and Josie Jewell
opening week starters last year to now you've got second
(07:06):
year Trevin Wallace and you know heretofore this year. Journeyman
Christian rose Bum really a special team spot, but he did.
He did have a one hundred and thirty six tackle
season last year for the Rams. And sometimes tackle stats
or whatever and don't necessarily tell you a guy's worth,
but I want to give this guy a couple of
(07:29):
weeks and maybe even into the first game of preseason
games to see how he does. Like I thought, it
was interesting though, right away at Jaro Vero, who knew
him briefly in LA, gave him the green dot like
he is calling defensive signals, Christian rose Boom is rather
than than Trevin Wallace, and so I think there is
(07:49):
a level of respect there among the coaching staff and
the guys who played with him in LA that at
least is worth, you know, kind of seeing what he
can do initially.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, enough, now let's stay on the defense. Demani Richardson
seems like they like him a lot. I mean, I know,
the guy across from me here in the studio had
his fingers crossed for Julian Blackman, but you know he's
in New Orleans instead. Is the do they think the
solution is on the roster? In the former Demonti Richardson, I.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Wrote something at the beginning of this week, just kind
of previewing training camp, and I said that my sense
it was that that kind of like I said at linebacker,
but that they were not going to go sign one
of these these veteran free agent safeties, that they wanted
to give some of these younger guys a chance. And
(08:36):
you know that's what good teams that you know, that
build through the draft, or, in Richardson's case, an undrafted
free agent. You know that good teams do that, and
you're not always trying to patch holes and you know,
until you have to with a bunch of injuries. So
I didn't hate it. Yeah, I did think it was interesting.
You know, Dave can Alis comes at it from a
(08:56):
quarterback coach standpoint where asked him about the play or
richards and really may he ran a long way across
the field to pick off this ball that was that
Bryce's past intended for Rentro and Dave complimented Richardson, but
he did say, yeah, ball is a little overthrown, but
nevertheless he went and made a nice play on the
(09:17):
ball and it was a good start of camp for
the Texas A and m undrafted guy.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Did you see Ocho Cinco declaring he thinks this might
be the best wide receiver room in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Had we talked to Adam
Feeling today on Zoom these guys they didn't practice, they
just a walk through, but and someone asked Feeling about that,
and the backstory, if I understood it correctly, is last year,
maybe around the time the Panthers went out to Vegas
with Andy Dalton at the helm Ocho Cinco was dumping
(09:50):
all over the receiving corps. And I think he and
theel and talked and had a good conversation. And I
think this is sort of perhaps Johnson doing his buddy
feeling a solid by reversing course quite you know, very quickly,
and a one to eighty degree shift from what he
apparently was saying last fall. But listen, it's it's a
(10:14):
better receiving core than it was a year ago. There's
no doubt about it. Just you know, McMillan alone, you know,
rises that boat, raises that tide. And then I mentioned earlier,
I mean horn speed is intriguing. I don't think Jimmy
Horn is necessarily going to be a game changing guy
on this offense right away. I think he could do.
(10:36):
I think he could do some things in a return game,
but I don't know he shoot, I maybe selling him
short of me. You know, he may get out there
and you know, impact some games on offense as well.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Can't wait to find out. Pads go on next week
and I will see you out there, buddy. I appreciate
the time.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Have a good weekend.
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