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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now, on the heels of a near no hitter
that was broken up by Juan Soto just a little
while ago, and the Braves falling further and further behind
in the NL East, we thought we'd check in once
again with Leo Mazzoni, longtime Atlanta Braves pitching coach, Braves
Hall of Famer. He's back with us here on a
Wednesday to talk a little baseball. What's going on, Leo?
How are you, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm doing good. I was hoping the kid would get
the no hitter. I watched the last couple innings and
anybody but Sodo, Okay, anybody but him, And then he's
got a lousy grin on his face and they're loose,
they lose the game, but he's happy. He broke up
the no hitter, hit a home run. But you know what,
just something about that guy, there's a there's a lack
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of chemistry there somewhere, and uh, anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
No, no, no, no, no, stay there, because I'm with you.
I don't want I don't like the guy. As a
sports fan, I don't like him. And when he when
he was a free agent, I was on the air.
I was like, I don't I'm a Dodger fan. People
like to give me hell because my team spends all
this money. I wanted nothing to do with Wan Sodo.
I don't care how good he is. But a Texter
earlier said KB, why is he so disliked? Why do
people dislike Juan Soto so much? Why do you think
(01:07):
that is?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well? I think it's his attitude, you know, I meaner
number one. I remember years ago Steve Avery told me
he couldn't stand him, and this when Steve had retired.
But anyway, it's just the way you conduct your business,
you know. I mean sometimes you know, he hasn't run
out a couple of balls. Everything's lucy goosey. You know,
(01:32):
nothing looks nothing looks real serious. Yet if you check
his numbers in the clutch with men on base, it's
not very good.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, all right, Well there's your answer for anybody who's
been asking now speaking of the near no hitter, I
don't know if you had MLB Network on right after
when they showed this, but they showed a graphic of
the teams the organizations with the longest no hitter drought
in baseball, and Cleveland is still the number one. They
haven't had a no hitter since nineteen eighty one. The
(02:00):
Braves are the fourth longest drought and their last one. Well,
you were there, Kent Merker in nineteen ninety four against
my beloved La Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
What do you remember about that day?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Oh? I remember it a lot number one. He come
in in the sixth inning and he says, I'm tired.
And I looked at him. I said, what are you nuts?
You know, in other words, they don't say that now, right,
Cally say you know, okay, we'll get you out. He says,
I'm tired. I said, what are you nuts? He goes,
what do you mean? I said, well, look up on
the scoreboard and I'm cleaning it up. I said, look
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up on the scoreboard, you know. I said, yeah, you
got a no hitter going for crying out loud, be tired.
He goes no. I said, okay, let's go. So then
he goes back. He goes out for the ninth and
he's perfectly fine. He throws one hundred and twenty seven
pitches ninety two fast balls and gets his no hitter.
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And then he only pitched seventeen years after that. Imagine that. Yeah,
and then this kid today they put a graphic up.
Did you see that one? No, most pitches thrown by
a Big League picture in eleven years was twenty one
hundred and twenty eight or whatever the hell it was?
(03:14):
Cold handles did it years ago?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I said, I looked at that and I went, my look,
how far we have gone down the toilet when it
comes to starting pitching?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
One hundred and five?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Smoke?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Was it one thirty two? Is that what you told
me earlier? It was in the late one twenties, early lot. Yeah,
I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, first time in eleven years somebody threw that many.
I mean, where do you go? Come on, give me
a break where that nobody can start.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Was there ever a cutoff for you though, like when
you were out there? Was there ever a pitch number
where you said, that's it, that's enough. We got to
get him out of there.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Hell? No, okay, no, you know what if he was
you know, and I if you watched the picture, and
you know, once he found out about that, no hit
or going, I mean that jackum up even more. See Kyle,
there's no second but no second No, there's nothing that
says second wind anymore. Oh, he got his second wind.
(04:08):
You ever heard that before? Yes, oh yeah, he got
his second win kicked in. Now he's okay. Or he
got to a certain number of pitches like Russ Ortiz did.
They said, well, he's up to eighty pitches. He should
be just getting loose now. But you know, and those
things are not joke eatingly things. They are things that
actually take place. Not anymore. Oh my god, don't you know?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
All right, we're babying them. That's what Leo thinks.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Leo AMAZONI with us on the on the hotline here
talking about a little bit of baseball, a lot of
action today.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Real quick.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
It wasn't just the Kent Merker no hitter in nineteen
ninety four. Because you're a steel trap. We just had
a text or a listener text in to say, one
hundred and twenty seven pitches ninety two fastballs. Leo is
a steel trap and a national icon. Now let me
test you again. Do you recall the no hitter before
before the Murker won in ninety four?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Uh? I think I was at the braves. I think
there was a yeah, yeah, it was Murker, Mark Wohlers
and Alejandro Painya.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Now listen, I'm not shocked that you remember it happening.
But yeah, well I.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Got a crazy story for you, A payin you. After
he got the last out, he didn't know we had
no Hitarny throw the ball and stands no, did he really?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Did you get it back?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
We said, Alejandro, Alejandro, no hit or no hitry was
not no big deal, no big deal.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I'm guessing you didn't get that baseball back then?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, we got it back. But yeah, matter of fact,
in my room, I have a picture of the three
of them all lined up together. And you know what
Merker did after he threw that no hittor he gave
me a gold watch and put the no hitter on
at the date and who it was against.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh that's fantastic, that's fantastic man. All right, Yeah, so
Kent Murker had a hand in each of the last
two Braves no hitters in ninety four and nineteen ninety one.
Yeah all right, yeah, so real quick, how was that?
We haven't talked to you in a couple of weeks.
How was the All Star Game? How was the experience
in Atlanta? Would you think?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh? It was absolutely awesome. I tell you. It's a
you know when they when they call you one of
the legends of the game. You know, it makes you
feel very proud. But I got a good one for you.
I'm in the car and I'm going to go sign
autographs with Raleigh Fingers. So I'm sitting there in the
back seat with Rolly Fingers, you know who had who
had to close games like pitching three innings to get
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a save. And I'm sitting there and he saw my
World Series ring and he goes, that's your World Series ring.
I said yeah. I said, yeah, the Braves with Bobby Cox.
He goes, oh, I heard Bobby Cox was a real
red ass. That's a baseball term for hot temper. I said, yeah,
he could do that every once in a while. He says, well,
let me tell you what happened to me. He says,
Charlie Finley was so cheap. He said, we won three
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World Series in a row or seventy two, seventy three,
seventy four. I think he said we won three World
Series in a row. He said the first two rings
that he gave us did not have one in it.
He said, not one. And then after we went in
the third World Series, he called me up and said,
I'm going to give you a thousand dollars raise, and
he told, you know, I can't repeat on the air
(07:11):
what he told Charlie Finley to do, you know. So
when you hear those kind of stories that went on
all the time until Marvin Miller and the union, thank god,
but that went on all the time, the owners are
treated my crap.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, speaking of the owners in the union, what did
you think of the report that Bryce Harper stood nose
to nose with Rob Manford and told him to get
the hell out of the Phillies Clubhouse a couple of
weeks ago. If you wanted to talk about a salary cap, I.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Like it take a hike. You know. One time, one
time we had years ago this they decided they were
going to a tax all of us for every city
that we went into. In other words, when we had
to fill out our income tax, you had a tax.
Like if you were in Philadelphia for six days, what
you made there, he had to tax what you did here.
(08:02):
What they're you know, One time I got a thing
from Sacramento, California, tom a dollar six, you know, and
I never thought anything about it. And then six years
later they came back and said, you know, it's six
hundred and six.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, because I didn't tell it. Yeah, I mean, what
the hell's dollars six? You know? But anyway, what happened
was there was a guy and it was from Philly
that was going around the major leagues telling him about
this tax how they were do the taxes. They threw
him out of the clubhouse really like physically, yeah, get
out of here. So Harper said that, huh boy, I
(08:39):
tell you, I don't say.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I mean, you know, look, they're talking lockout already two
years from now because of it. I mean, Rob Manford's
threatening a lockout all right.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I'm telling you you know, you know it's a uh
it never stops. It just doesn't ever stop, you know.
And and there shouldn't be a salary cap. I don't
think anybody should be grudged as much. Again, and what
they're paying these guys, they have it, oh yeah, you
know they have it. I mean, look at what's going
on in Dallas with Jerry Jones. That's turned into a joke.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We were just talking about that, Like, I know, you're
an old school guy, but you are also you know,
I tell people all the time, they assume that you're
old school about everything, but you're not like you. There
are certain things that you are very progressive about. But
it does bother me that Jerry Jones still thinks that
he can do business that way in twenty twenty five.
Like this is an oil deal, buddy. Like players have agents.
(09:27):
Why are you trying to circumvent the agent to get
your star pass Rusher under contract?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Oh? I know, I know, and you know, and but
I'm really interested cal in my Pittsburgh Steelers to see
what Rogers is gonna do.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Okay, how interested are I've watched an NFL playoff game
with you. You are a diehard NFL fan in your
heart of hearts? Do you believe that Aaron Rodgers has
enough left to get the Steelers to the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yes, you do, he will. That's because of this attitude
right now with Mike Tomlin. You know, so I think
I think that's going to happen. And I think Notre
Dame's gonna win the National Championship.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
All right, Well, I mean listen, they got the number
five preseason, Well they got they got as good a
shot as anybody, There's no doubt about that. Hey, two
quick things will get you out of here. Smoke wanted
me to ask you about this cal Raley, the big dumper, Right,
This guy's hit forty two home runs for Seattle. He
is on pace for sixty with a chance to catch
(10:22):
Aaron Judge and the American League record of sixty two.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
He could also obviously, you know, past Roger Maris and
things like that.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Sure, I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Salvador Perez has the single season record for most home
runs by a catcher, with forty eight runs in a
seed forty eight. Unless cal Rawley gets injured, he's gonna go.
He's gonna blow past that. What do you think of
the season he's having and put it in historical context?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
For me? Oh, I think it's wonderful, especially because he's
behind a plate, and especially because he's a switch hitter,
and you know, he's built, not built like a a Donnas.
He's just a little regular guy, know, and and I
think he put himself in position for it to be
a Most Valuable Player candidate.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He's unbelievable to watch. How cool is it to watch?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
How cool is it watch his dad pitched to him
and his brother catched for him in the home run derby.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, I know, it's just it's amazing what's going on.
And but man, balls are flying out all over the
damn place mine. Golly. They had what Major League Baseball
set records last week? They had two teams played, but
each team had twenty hits, and then another two teams
played and each team had twenty is So it was
the first time in the history of Major League Baseball
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there was two games with a total of forty hits
each in them on the same day.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Wow, that's pretty amazing. That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Hey, you know what, as a pitching coach, I can't
stand the listen to that.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I know, I know it bothers you.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Now, I kind of dropped the ball a minute ago
when we were talking about the Kent Murker no hitters. Okay,
I got to ask, you know you are you infamously
let your guys go. You worked them right, You let
him throw a lot of pitches. Why in ninety one
did Mercer come out of the game. Why did you
need wohlers in Alejandro Panya in that game?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Because he was done? Okay, I mean he really was
done in La he wasn't done. But if you watched
him start that game. He was done and the pitch
count had nothing to do with it. You watch his
body language, you watch his facial expressions, and he was done.
So therefore, we based our decisions on common sense. Nobody
had to put a number next to it. He was done.
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So for example, there he goes nine, any no hitter,
He wasn't done. Six or seven any no seven? Any
no hitter? He was done. So though, you got to
take those things into consideration, not just like, oh, well
he's got this, now we got to take him out.
Uh huh. That's not necessarily true. And when you're throwing
no hitters, you know you're in a pretty good groove.
But when you're in the you know, he's got to
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think in the factors heat, humidity, all this sort of thing.
His nine any no hitter was in LA.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
That's a good point, all right.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Last thing, and it's a big question, but I'll just
give you the floor on this. You know, the Braves
not things have not worked out this year. They're seventeen
games back of the division, not going to make the
playoffs in all likelihood, and we know that Brian Snicker's
moving upstairs. What what kind of off season. You know,
when we get there, do the Braves need to have
do do you do you have anybody in mind you'd
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like to see replace Brian Snitker.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Well, I really don't didn't know that he was going
to be replaced, to be honest with you, you know, So therefore,
until that happens, I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with snid.
But I'm going to tell you what. You can't You
can't expect to do anything right when you have five
starters down, starting your whole rotation from the start of
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the season is down. Then you lose a Kuna Junior,
then you lose this guy, then you lose that guy. Hey,
nobody feels sorry for nobody in this game. But I'm
going to tell you what, having five starters go down
is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And again I should I should throw in there that
it's being reported that Brian Snitker will move into the
front office at the end of the year. Well, it's
been reported by multiple reporters, but the Braves themselves have
not announced that, so that seems to be the belief.
And I want to make it clear because that's not
been an official announcement by the organization. So I didn't
want you thinking that you missed something big because that
hasn't happened yet from the Braves front office. So we
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shall see, We shall see, Buddy. I appreciate you as always.
We will talk to you again soon. I promise you
that we appreciate you and your time each and every week.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
All right, listen, we're heading out to Alaska. We're going
on a cruise to Alaska on Saturday. N No, I
won't be back on that Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Go fight a grizzly bear. I'm sorry. I'm not a
polar bear. What's wrong with me a polar bear?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Good?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Lord out agree? I guess either one. Okay, Hi, buddy,
there you go. Lio Mazzoni with us hanging out.
Right now, on the heels of a near no hitter
that was broken up by Juan Soto just a little
while ago, and the Braves falling further and further behind
in the NL East, we thought we'd check in once
again with Leo Mazzoni, longtime Atlanta Braves pitching coach, Braves
Hall of Famer. He's back with us here on a
Wednesday to talk a little baseball. What's going on, Leo?
How are you, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm doing good. I was hoping the kid would get
the no hitter. I watched the last couple innings and
anybody but Sodo, Okay, anybody but him, And then he's
got a lousy grin on his face and they're loose,
they lose the game, but he's happy. He broke up
the no hitter, hit a home run. But you know what,
just something about that guy, there's a there's a lack
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of chemistry there somewhere, and uh, anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
No, no, no, no, no, stay there, because I'm with you.
I don't want I don't like the guy. As a
sports fan, I don't like him. And when he when
he was a free agent, I was on the air.
I was like, I don't I'm a Dodger fan. People
like to give me hell because my team spends all
this money. I wanted nothing to do with Wan Sodo.
I don't care how good he is. But a Texter
earlier said KB, why is he so disliked? Why do
people dislike Juan Soto so much? Why do you think
(01:07):
that is?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well? I think it's his attitude, you know, I meaner
number one. I remember years ago Steve Avery told me
he couldn't stand him, and this when Steve had retired.
But anyway, it's just the way you conduct your business,
you know. I mean sometimes you know, he hasn't run
out a couple of balls. Everything's lucy goosey. You know,
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nothing looks nothing looks real serious. Yet if you check
his numbers in the clutch with men on base, it's
not very good.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, all right, Well there's your answer for anybody who's
been asking now speaking of the near no hitter, I
don't know if you had MLB Network on right after
when they showed this, but they showed a graphic of
the teams the organizations with the longest no hitter drought
in baseball, and Cleveland is still the number one. They
haven't had a no hitter since nineteen eighty one. The
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Braves are the fourth longest drought and their last one. Well,
you were there, Kent Merker in nineteen ninety four against
my beloved La Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
What do you remember about that day?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Oh? I remember it a lot number one. He come
in in the sixth inning and he says, I'm tired.
And I looked at him. I said, what are you nuts?
You know, in other words, they don't say that now, right,
Cally say you know, okay, we'll get you out. He says,
I'm tired. I said, what are you nuts? He goes,
what do you mean? I said, well, look up on
the scoreboard and I'm cleaning it up. I said, look
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up on the scoreboard, you know. I said, yeah, you
got a no hitter going for crying out loud, be tired.
He goes no. I said, okay, let's go. So then
he goes back. He goes out for the ninth and
he's perfectly fine. He throws one hundred and twenty seven
pitches ninety two fast balls and gets his no hitter.
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And then he only pitched seventeen years after that. Imagine that. Yeah,
and then this kid today they put a graphic up.
Did you see that one? No, most pitches thrown by
a Big League picture in eleven years was twenty one
hundred and twenty eight or whatever the hell it was?
(03:14):
Cold handles did it years ago?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I said, I looked at that and I went, my look,
how far we have gone down the toilet when it
comes to starting pitching?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
One hundred and five?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Smoke?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Was it one thirty two? Is that what you told
me earlier? It was in the late one twenties, early lot. Yeah,
I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, first time in eleven years somebody threw that many.
I mean, where do you go? Come on, give me
a break where that nobody can start.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Was there ever a cutoff for you though, like when
you were out there? Was there ever a pitch number
where you said, that's it, that's enough. We got to
get him out of there.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Hell? No, okay, no, you know what if he was
you know, and I if you watched the picture, and
you know, once he found out about that, no hit
or going, I mean that jackum up even more. See Kyle,
there's no second but no second No, there's nothing that
says second wind anymore. Oh, he got his second wind.
(04:08):
You ever heard that before? Yes, oh yeah, he got
his second win kicked in. Now he's okay. Or he
got to a certain number of pitches like Russ Ortiz did.
They said, well, he's up to eighty pitches. He should
be just getting loose now. But you know, and those
things are not joke eatingly things. They are things that
actually take place. Not anymore. Oh my god, don't you know?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
All right, we're babying them. That's what Leo thinks.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Leo AMAZONI with us on the on the hotline here
talking about a little bit of baseball, a lot of
action today.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Real quick.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
It wasn't just the Kent Merker no hitter in nineteen
ninety four. Because you're a steel trap. We just had
a text or a listener text in to say, one
hundred and twenty seven pitches ninety two fastballs. Leo is
a steel trap and a national icon. Now let me
test you again. Do you recall the no hitter before
before the Murker won in ninety four?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Uh? I think I was at the braves. I think
there was a yeah, yeah, it was Murker, Mark Wohlers
and Alejandro Painya.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Now listen, I'm not shocked that you remember it happening.
But yeah, well I.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Got a crazy story for you, A payin you. After
he got the last out, he didn't know we had
no Hitarny throw the ball and stands no, did he really?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Did you get it back?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
We said, Alejandro, Alejandro, no hit or no hitry was
not no big deal, no big deal.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I'm guessing you didn't get that baseball back then?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, we got it back. But yeah, matter of fact,
in my room, I have a picture of the three
of them all lined up together. And you know what
Merker did after he threw that no hittor he gave
me a gold watch and put the no hitter on
at the date and who it was against.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh that's fantastic, that's fantastic man. All right, Yeah, so
Kent Murker had a hand in each of the last
two Braves no hitters in ninety four and nineteen ninety one.
Yeah all right, yeah, so real quick, how was that?
We haven't talked to you in a couple of weeks.
How was the All Star Game? How was the experience
in Atlanta? Would you think?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh? It was absolutely awesome. I tell you. It's a
you know when they when they call you one of
the legends of the game. You know, it makes you
feel very proud. But I got a good one for you.
I'm in the car and I'm going to go sign
autographs with Raleigh Fingers. So I'm sitting there in the
back seat with Rolly Fingers, you know who had who
had to close games like pitching three innings to get
(06:28):
a save. And I'm sitting there and he saw my
World Series ring and he goes, that's your World Series ring.
I said yeah. I said, yeah, the Braves with Bobby Cox.
He goes, oh, I heard Bobby Cox was a real
red ass. That's a baseball term for hot temper. I said, yeah,
he could do that every once in a while. He says, well,
let me tell you what happened to me. He says,
Charlie Finley was so cheap. He said, we won three
(06:50):
World Series in a row or seventy two, seventy three,
seventy four. I think he said we won three World
Series in a row. He said the first two rings
that he gave us did not have one in it.
He said, not one. And then after we went in
the third World Series, he called me up and said,
I'm going to give you a thousand dollars raise, and
he told, you know, I can't repeat on the air
(07:11):
what he told Charlie Finley to do, you know. So
when you hear those kind of stories that went on
all the time until Marvin Miller and the union, thank god,
but that went on all the time, the owners are
treated my crap.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, speaking of the owners in the union, what did
you think of the report that Bryce Harper stood nose
to nose with Rob Manford and told him to get
the hell out of the Phillies Clubhouse a couple of
weeks ago. If you wanted to talk about a salary cap, I.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Like it take a hike. You know. One time, one
time we had years ago this they decided they were
going to a tax all of us for every city
that we went into. In other words, when we had
to fill out our income tax, you had a tax.
Like if you were in Philadelphia for six days, what
you made there, he had to tax what you did here.
(08:02):
What they're you know, One time I got a thing
from Sacramento, California, tom a dollar six, you know, and
I never thought anything about it. And then six years
later they came back and said, you know, it's six
hundred and six.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, because I didn't tell it. Yeah, I mean, what
the hell's dollars six? You know? But anyway, what happened
was there was a guy and it was from Philly
that was going around the major leagues telling him about
this tax how they were do the taxes. They threw
him out of the clubhouse really like physically, yeah, get
out of here. So Harper said that, huh boy, I
(08:39):
tell you, I don't say.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I mean, you know, look, they're talking lockout already two
years from now because of it. I mean, Rob Manford's
threatening a lockout all right.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I'm telling you you know, you know it's a uh
it never stops. It just doesn't ever stop, you know.
And and there shouldn't be a salary cap. I don't
think anybody should be grudged as much. Again, and what
they're paying these guys, they have it, oh yeah, you
know they have it. I mean, look at what's going
on in Dallas with Jerry Jones. That's turned into a joke.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We were just talking about that, Like, I know, you're
an old school guy, but you are also you know,
I tell people all the time, they assume that you're
old school about everything, but you're not like you. There
are certain things that you are very progressive about. But
it does bother me that Jerry Jones still thinks that
he can do business that way in twenty twenty five.
Like this is an oil deal, buddy. Like players have agents.
(09:27):
Why are you trying to circumvent the agent to get
your star pass Rusher under contract?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Oh? I know, I know, and you know, and but
I'm really interested cal in my Pittsburgh Steelers to see
what Rogers is gonna do.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Okay, how interested are I've watched an NFL playoff game
with you. You are a diehard NFL fan in your
heart of hearts? Do you believe that Aaron Rodgers has
enough left to get the Steelers to the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yes, you do, he will. That's because of this attitude
right now with Mike Tomlin. You know, so I think
I think that's going to happen. And I think Notre
Dame's gonna win the National Championship.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
All right, Well, I mean listen, they got the number
five preseason, Well they got they got as good a
shot as anybody, There's no doubt about that. Hey, two
quick things will get you out of here. Smoke wanted
me to ask you about this cal Raley, the big dumper, Right,
This guy's hit forty two home runs for Seattle. He
is on pace for sixty with a chance to catch
(10:22):
Aaron Judge and the American League record of sixty two.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
He could also obviously, you know, past Roger Maris and
things like that.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Sure, I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Salvador Perez has the single season record for most home
runs by a catcher, with forty eight runs in a
seed forty eight. Unless cal Rawley gets injured, he's gonna go.
He's gonna blow past that. What do you think of
the season he's having and put it in historical context?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
For me? Oh, I think it's wonderful, especially because he's
behind a plate, and especially because he's a switch hitter,
and you know, he's built, not built like a a Donnas.
He's just a little regular guy, know, and and I
think he put himself in position for it to be
a Most Valuable Player candidate.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He's unbelievable to watch. How cool is it to watch?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
How cool is it watch his dad pitched to him
and his brother catched for him in the home run derby.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, I know, it's just it's amazing what's going on.
And but man, balls are flying out all over the
damn place mine. Golly. They had what Major League Baseball
set records last week? They had two teams played, but
each team had twenty hits, and then another two teams
played and each team had twenty is So it was
the first time in the history of Major League Baseball
(11:34):
there was two games with a total of forty hits
each in them on the same day.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Wow, that's pretty amazing. That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Hey, you know what, as a pitching coach, I can't
stand the listen to that.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I know, I know it bothers you.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Now, I kind of dropped the ball a minute ago
when we were talking about the Kent Murker no hitters. Okay,
I got to ask, you know you are you infamously
let your guys go. You worked them right, You let
him throw a lot of pitches. Why in ninety one
did Mercer come out of the game. Why did you
need wohlers in Alejandro Panya in that game?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Because he was done? Okay, I mean he really was
done in La he wasn't done. But if you watched
him start that game. He was done and the pitch
count had nothing to do with it. You watch his
body language, you watch his facial expressions, and he was done.
So therefore, we based our decisions on common sense. Nobody
had to put a number next to it. He was done.
(12:27):
So for example, there he goes nine, any no hitter,
He wasn't done. Six or seven any no seven? Any
no hitter? He was done. So though, you got to
take those things into consideration, not just like, oh, well
he's got this, now we got to take him out.
Uh huh. That's not necessarily true. And when you're throwing
no hitters, you know you're in a pretty good groove.
But when you're in the you know, he's got to
(12:50):
think in the factors heat, humidity, all this sort of thing.
His nine any no hitter was in LA.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
That's a good point, all right.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Last thing, and it's a big question, but I'll just
give you the floor on this. You know, the Braves
not things have not worked out this year. They're seventeen
games back of the division, not going to make the
playoffs in all likelihood, and we know that Brian Snicker's
moving upstairs. What what kind of off season. You know,
when we get there, do the Braves need to have
do do you do you have anybody in mind you'd
(13:17):
like to see replace Brian Snitker.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Well, I really don't didn't know that he was going
to be replaced, to be honest with you, you know, So therefore,
until that happens, I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with snid.
But I'm going to tell you what. You can't You
can't expect to do anything right when you have five
starters down, starting your whole rotation from the start of
(13:43):
the season is down. Then you lose a Kuna Junior,
then you lose this guy, then you lose that guy. Hey,
nobody feels sorry for nobody in this game. But I'm
going to tell you what, having five starters go down
is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And again I should I should throw in there that
it's being reported that Brian Snitker will move into the
front office at the end of the year. Well, it's
been reported by multiple reporters, but the Braves themselves have
not announced that, so that seems to be the belief.
And I want to make it clear because that's not
been an official announcement by the organization. So I didn't
want you thinking that you missed something big because that
hasn't happened yet from the Braves front office. So we
(14:19):
shall see, We shall see, Buddy. I appreciate you as always.
We will talk to you again soon. I promise you
that we appreciate you and your time each and every week.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
All right, listen, we're heading out to Alaska. We're going
on a cruise to Alaska on Saturday. N No, I
won't be back on that Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Go fight a grizzly bear. I'm sorry. I'm not a
polar bear. What's wrong with me a polar bear?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Good?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Lord out agree? I guess either one. Okay, Hi, buddy,
there you go. Lio Mazzoni with us hanging out.
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