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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, going from Charleston to ok so he does. It's
quite to change.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, from North Charleston Coliseum, low country food, Yeah, shrimp
and grits out though, what do they eat? Like?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
What is Oklahoma known for terms of food? Are they?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I went there once for my uncle's wedding as a kid.
That's the only time I've ever been to Oklahoma. How
many Ernie Sims barbecue joints? Hunter there or Billy Sims,
Billy Sims, My Sims mixed up?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I got very confused. Okay, barbecue sauce because good Old Jr.
Has barbecue sauce.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oklahoma's not known for barbecue sauce, are they?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Jim Ross Okay, but Jim Ross's barbecue sauce doesn't mean
that Oklahoma's known for that. Jim Ross is from Oklahoma.
That doesn't you know theme songs to Oklahoma fight sauce.
That next guest knows about food. He probably knows the
answer better than we do. Michael Felder, former tar Heel
defensive back, East mech Eagle, podcaster Learfield College Sports now
hand in the Dirt podcast. You've seen him on Stadium,
(00:51):
You've seen him on Bleacher Report. He's done at all.
Mike Felder back with us for a Thursday conversation. Mike,
is Oklahoma known for any good food?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Really?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oklahoma and Arkansas? That's where you're gonna find the best catfish?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We're talking like in the planes are like more like
you said, arkansasre like the Ozarks.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What are we talking about? What do we think?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah? Like where they got those light where people go
what's it called when you put your hand in the
hole and then pull them out noodling? Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, you ever done that? It's fun?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I have never done it. Not interested. Man. I don't
like to put my hand into places I can't see.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, I lived dangerously, so I understand. I would have
thought that South Carolina had better catfish and than than Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But okay, all right, well it's good to know. Hey buddy,
good to have you.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Let me.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Let me dive right in.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
What is your understanding of the situation in Chapel Hill
Right now? We all know the news. We've all seen
the reporting yesterday that the end could be near. But
we got statements last night another report from on three
that Bill has been burning up the phones talking to
recruits in the last twelve hours. What's your understanding of
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
He's trying to mend the damage. I think that, so
let's we got to go backwards to go forwards. He
took this job to make to try to get his
kids jobs. Got it. Every every dad wants their kids
to be good, well off right, and so that's what
you want. And then in the state of North Carolina,
you can't do that. You can't kind of bequeath, if
(02:17):
you will, a job to your kids. So that didn't
work out. We saw how the buyout worked out, and
now what we're dealing with is a situation that's quite volatile.
And talking to what I talked to Andrew Jones, we
did he and I did a couple videos together for
Tar Hill twenty four seven. I talked to my man,
(02:37):
Chip Patterson from CBS HQ. I talked to Richard Johnson
from CBS, like we've all talked and I've talked to
people like my teammates and everything. And the reality is
is this is I'm not gonna say it's in reconcilable,
in reconcilable, but it's gonna be like there's problems and
the biggest thing is the embarrassment, right, the embarrassment from
(03:02):
people that went to you and see in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
even in the nineties where they're like, we never thought
we would be a laughing stock. And I think that's
the biggest part. Like you you live like you live here.
I lived in South Charlotte, man, like like this is
people are looking around like, oh no, because we live
(03:24):
we're next door neighbors with Clemson people. My next door
neighbor went to Clemson. My across the street neighbor went
to Clemson, like we it's one of those things where
we saw Clemson. Really they called the dog zone. They
could have scored one hundred points if they wanted to,
and it's really they're in a rough spot. And then
you talk, you hear about the and I'm sure you
(03:46):
saw the WRAL report and some of the stuff out
of CBS where they're talking about fights in the locker room,
about the lack of even like interaction with Belichick from
the players and the lack of uh interaction from Steve Belichick,
the lack of interaction with him, and it just they
(04:07):
said the facility is a toxic place. So I just
I'm these are all things that I have heard before,
But I was like, I don't know, Like now everybody
is kind of but comd s like like they're they
the damn's open.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Okay, let me stop here.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, let me stop you right there, because I'd still
have a handful and it's not the majority. I think
most Carolina fans that I talked to on a daily
basis on this show, they get it. They're embarrassed by it,
they're pissed off about it. Uh, they understand it for
what it is. I still have a handful like this
one guy, his literal name on the text line is Doofy.
He's telling us to stop spreading the BS. Bill isn't
going anywhere. Dabo goes before Bill. He keeps saying it's
(04:49):
not a disaster, and the people blame the media. You know,
are you guys are just loving this? Well, there's no
doubt there's chum in the water here. Okay, no one's
denying that. But the reason there's chum in the water
is because it got out. But as the chum didn't
exist ahead of time, not because, as you're pointing out,
it wasn't toxic inside the building that you know, Bill
hasn't been distracted, or that Michael Lombardi hasn't acted like
a jerk to a lot of people like the there
(05:10):
are real problems that seem to have really upset the
people that matter in Chapel Hill, and it seems like
you're affirming that right now.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Is that the case? And do you think it's fixable?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I don't know how you fix it unless, like you
know what I's that's a lie, that's wrong. I shouldn't
have said that. I know how you fix it. It
takes effort. Now you have to do that. You have
to put the effort into it. And that's the part
that that's the question mark for me. That means you
do have to shake hands with everybody. That means you
(05:42):
do have to make yourself available to the local media.
It does mean you have to make yourself available to
the boosters. You have to talk to them. You have
to make them feel like they're wanted, right, you have
to make them feel like they matter. And it's a
rough spot to be in. And I literally am in
the middle of right a piece right now where I
think we need to retire the words this team is back.
(06:05):
We also need to retire sleeping giant And as a
Virginia tech guy, being back is a thing that people
say it and then they unsay it and say it
and unsay it. And as a un C guy, sleeping
giant is like, yeah, we've been called that since what
nineteen eighty eight? Like what do we do? So you
(06:27):
have to you And the craziest part is this was
a thing that Bubba Cunningham, UNCS athletic director did not
want to have happened. He didn't want this to be
like part of his legacy. He's already got, He's already
in He's already up to his neck in it.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
With the whole care, the whole Carolina North thing, and
and moving from the deandom to another stadium, that's a
whole other can of worms. It is. They're going to
have to make a choice and the voice is not easy.
And in what we're seeing, I don't know if you
did you I'm sure you read the w R A
L stuff. Oh yeah, but they're starting to use words
(07:08):
that are one cutting down the buyout? Was it? The
wide receivers coach wasn't there at practice because of he's
under They're they're investigating him for some recruiting violations, so
they're they're working to find a way to get out
from under this. And then obviously you issue a statement
that says, no, we're all in the same page. We're happy,
(07:31):
but I don't think anybody's happy.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
They shouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And Mike, I, I, you know, I never want to
be personal about this stuff, but to me, it all
goes back to Jordan Hudson for me, like, I mean,
we can blame John pryor start. What's that.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
That's the start, that's the start, That's that's the beginning.
That's the that's the beginning. Because when you have someone
who when you have a lady who donates a ton
of money to you and c who graduated in the
seven she doesn't want to sit at a scholarship dinner
with a twenty four year old she does not like again,
(08:07):
to go back to style, Charlotte, that lady does not
want to sit across from a twenty four year old,
A seventy year old lady, a fifty five, sixty five
year old lady doesn't want to do that. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's embarrassing to know exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
And we we already talked about embarrassment, correct and So
it's one of those things where you have to you
have to know, in the words of my wife, you
have to read the room. And I don't know that
this staff reads the room in a in a in
a very good way. I don't think that they read
the room. I don't think they understand you and see.
(08:40):
The number one thing that you can't do is embarrass us.
If you embarrass us, that's the biggest problem. It's not
the losing. We've lost a lot, are you kidding me?
When I was at UNC in two thousand and three,
my freshman year, we had the number one returning tackler
in the country and he got destroyed by Greg Jones.
(09:03):
We can live with that. We lost to Duke in
two thousand and three, we're two and ten. Coach Bunny
kept his job. We could live with that. But you
can't embarrass us, and that was one of the things.
That's that's a part and every school's different. I will
say this, but when these people, the money people, feel embarrassed,
(09:28):
then you have a problem. And that's the problem that
they're having right now.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it seems he thought he was bigger than the
job too. Michael Felder, former Tarhel defensive back east mech
Eagle college football analyst with us on the hotline here.
They can find your work again, you do a lot
of great stuff in a lot of places, but they
can find some of your work at Tarhel two four
seven right now.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes, yeah, Tarho twenty four to seven. We just did it.
We just put a video on the YouTube. We've put it.
There's another video that's up also, a short, a type video.
If you don't have a lot of time. There's a
type video that's up. It's about I don't know, maybe
two minutes ninety second and me and Andrew Jones. Andrew
Jones has been covering you and see he was at
Inside Carolina. He's stuck around with twenty four to seven.
(10:07):
So he's doing his thing too. And it was good
to talk to him because he's even more connected than
I am, which is wild, but he's been doing it
for so long he knows everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Oh listen, I told somebody yesterday. I was texting with
Andrew during the show yesterday. Back when he was a
Rivals national college football writer fourteen years ago, when I
first started in radio, he was doing weekly hits with me.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So I've known Andrew for a long time.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Great guy, very meticulous, very committed to his craft, and
a lot of respect for that guy now real quick,
and I want to hit you with a few other
questions about other things.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But if they do, If they do, of course, I know,
I get it. You have to be you have to
be tired of this.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
If they do move on mid season, what do they
how do they get through the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Who pilots the ship?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I probably Gareth McGhee really like it's I don't think
it's going to be like because there was the room
original rumors that they were just going to fire pretty kitchens.
That doesn't happen, and I think he's the coach is
doing probably the best job. But I think probably Garrett McGee.
So we'll see, because it won't be any of the Belichicks,
(11:13):
because I think that's if that's what you're getting at.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I don't think it'll be No, that would be preposterous.
You can't do that. That would be like laughably, there's
no way that's not even on the table.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Can't be right.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I think it'll be I think it'll end up
being either Freddy or Garrett. I think those are the
two answers and then we'll go from there.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Love it all right, So let's do this. Let's talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
You mentioned Virginia Tech since you're talking about mid season firings,
and you know we got this is about to be
I think a pretty crazy coaching carousel season coming up
in a couple of months. More coaches will get fired.
But just in terms of you know, they're in Blacksburg.
They've committed an extra. They just found an extra two
hundred thirty million dollars, Mike, I don't know where they
found it. They turned over some couch questions, but they
found it. They got Bruce Arians, big couch. They got
(11:54):
Bruce Arians consulting trying to find a new head coach.
They're going to hire a general manager. Who would you
be looking for? What kind of coach would you be
looking for?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Honestly, I called I called it Jerry neuheisel Man. I
would I'm calling him. And I also the other thing
that I would do, knowing the way that you and
C treated him, I would call up some raw who's
at what two A? And Matt Campbell who you and
CE kind of a shoot like you and C really
(12:23):
pushed them. Those guys off to get Belichick. Come on,
let's go, let's go, let's be let's be mean, like,
let's go, let's go out and get rude. And I
think that's an interesting one. And then I'm looking at
is it bad to say I'm hiring the guy from.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
ODU Ricky Ricky Ronnie?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Really? Why not?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, I don't know. I mean, that's why not.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
He knows the tide water, he does, he does beat
y'all twice? Oh why not him?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, it's a fair point. It's a fair point. All right. Uh,
let's look ahead here real quick. How what do you
think Duke is?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
By the way that they seem to be the only
team right now with really a chance to do much
of anything moving forward?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
How good is many d As his team?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think they're a good football team. I think their
defense is underrated. I don't think people we paid so
much attention to mensa, we don't talk about the defense.
And I think that they are a very good football team,
and watching them play is really exciting, like minus the
two end game, which there's a lot going in the
two in game because Men's obviously transferred from there. But
(13:28):
I think Duke's really good I think Miami. I think
right now in the ACC, I think it goes Miami one.
I think Clemson and Duke are kind of living in
the same space. I think Clemson, Duke, and Georgia Tech
are living in the same space. And then you have
the rest of the league. And because on an any
given day, on an any given Saturday, empty State with
(13:49):
C J. Bailly, they could bubble up. But if we're
just putting them in tiers, I think I think there
there's a one with Miami, and then we have these
three teams together, and then you gotta look at what
we're gonna get out of the rest of those guys.
And so I think Duke is in that second tier,
which is a good place to be. Like, I don't
(14:09):
know if they're gonna do it like when they beat
you and c but they might. They might as well
go ahead and take that picture like Steve Spurrier did
when they beat you and CE.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Do you give South Carolina any chance at LSU on
Saturday night?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I do, But I don't think it's a South Carolina thing.
I think it's an LSU problem where LSU for me one,
I will say this, I love the middle of that defense,
right yep, with with West, let me get them right
with West and Harold Perkins Jr. And then as a
(14:49):
backup you get to throw in Zach like three brothers
that have played together. And then Harold Perkins, who I
don't know if you've seen his story, but it's a
it's remarking, it's incredible, yes, and so you I love
that part. They Their secondary is not up to LSU
standards over the course of a game. It's not. It's
not like when we saw them with Moe Claiborne and
(15:12):
Patrick Peterson and Tyrone Matthews. They're not up to that standard.
But the middle of that defense is the toughest in football,
and I love them, and I think they're going to
give Sellers problems. And then you throw in the fact
that I'm still waiting on because we saw Ka pop
a little bit last weekend right against you, and see sure,
(15:33):
I'm waiting on I'm waiting on Garrett and i' smier
to pop. I'm waiting on him to like do his thing.
I'm waiting on him to let him do his thing.
That's the other part. I think Brian Kelly is a
little bit too controlling and the other thing I'm looking
for is they've got to find a way to run
the football, which they haven't been doing very well. That's
true if they can run the ball, and let let
(15:53):
Garrett because here's the thing, and I've asked multiple people this,
who's the best quarterback coach that Garrett That's has ever had.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I don't know it's that. Oh yeah, it's good. Yeah,
that's the right answer.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, So let him do what he does. And I
think that's the most important part. I feel the same
way about Arch Manning though. Let Arch do what he
does instead of micro managing him. Even but Arch has
to understand to go from Texas because Tession's just lost
to Florida. To speak about Texas, they need Art to
(16:27):
realize that I don't have a great offensive line. I
need to go ball, I don't have extra beats to wait,
I need to throw the football. I think Garrett nes
Myron needs to do the same thing, especially because they
don't have a run game.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Last thing, what are the odds that Miami is the
best team in the country, in the entire country, the
entire country. No, no, okay, why not?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
No? At Ohio State Oregon? Those are the two that
are immediately like that.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Then I'm fine with that answer.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
But I think Miami deserves some part of the conversation.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
To me, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
You can have a part of the like it's a pie,
right and if you have this pie, they get a
slice of it. But I think Ohio State and Oregon
are eating a little bit more of it because you
know who's not eating any of it is Penston.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That's true, That's very very true. You and I will
have that conversation next time you're on.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Brother. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
We apologize for whatever phone line issues that took place,
but we're glad we could get you on. Man, have
a great week.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It was fantastic. It's always good to hear your boys.
I hope you're doing well and you take it easy
and stay out of trouble.
Yeah, going from Charleston to ok so he does. It's
quite to change.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, from North Charleston Coliseum, low country food, Yeah, shrimp
and grits out though, what do they eat? Like?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
What is Oklahoma known for terms of food? Are they?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I went there once for my uncle's wedding as a kid.
That's the only time I've ever been to Oklahoma. How
many Ernie Sims barbecue joints? Hunter there or Billy Sims,
Billy Sims, My Sims mixed up?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I got very confused. Okay, barbecue sauce because good Old Jr.
Has barbecue sauce.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oklahoma's not known for barbecue sauce, are they?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Jim Ross Okay, but Jim Ross's barbecue sauce doesn't mean
that Oklahoma's known for that. Jim Ross is from Oklahoma.
That doesn't you know theme songs to Oklahoma fight sauce.
That next guest knows about food. He probably knows the
answer better than we do. Michael Felder, former tar Heel
defensive back, East mech Eagle, podcaster Learfield College Sports now
hand in the Dirt podcast. You've seen him on Stadium,
(00:51):
You've seen him on Bleacher Report. He's done at all.
Mike Felder back with us for a Thursday conversation. Mike,
is Oklahoma known for any good food?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Really?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oklahoma and Arkansas? That's where you're gonna find the best catfish?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We're talking like in the planes are like more like
you said, arkansasre like the Ozarks.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What are we talking about? What do we think?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah? Like where they got those light where people go
what's it called when you put your hand in the
hole and then pull them out noodling? Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, you ever done that? It's fun?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I have never done it. Not interested. Man. I don't
like to put my hand into places I can't see.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, I lived dangerously, so I understand. I would have
thought that South Carolina had better catfish and than than Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But okay, all right, well it's good to know. Hey buddy,
good to have you.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Let me.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Let me dive right in.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
What is your understanding of the situation in Chapel Hill
Right now? We all know the news. We've all seen
the reporting yesterday that the end could be near. But
we got statements last night another report from on three
that Bill has been burning up the phones talking to
recruits in the last twelve hours. What's your understanding of
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
He's trying to mend the damage. I think that, so
let's we got to go backwards to go forwards. He
took this job to make to try to get his
kids jobs. Got it. Every every dad wants their kids
to be good, well off right, and so that's what
you want. And then in the state of North Carolina,
you can't do that. You can't kind of bequeath, if
(02:17):
you will, a job to your kids. So that didn't
work out. We saw how the buyout worked out, and
now what we're dealing with is a situation that's quite volatile.
And talking to what I talked to Andrew Jones, we
did he and I did a couple videos together for
Tar Hill twenty four seven. I talked to my man,
(02:37):
Chip Patterson from CBS HQ. I talked to Richard Johnson
from CBS, like we've all talked and I've talked to
people like my teammates and everything. And the reality is
is this is I'm not gonna say it's in reconcilable,
in reconcilable, but it's gonna be like there's problems and
the biggest thing is the embarrassment, right, the embarrassment from
(03:02):
people that went to you and see in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
even in the nineties where they're like, we never thought
we would be a laughing stock. And I think that's
the biggest part. Like you you live like you live here.
I lived in South Charlotte, man, like like this is
people are looking around like, oh no, because we live
(03:24):
we're next door neighbors with Clemson people. My next door
neighbor went to Clemson. My across the street neighbor went
to Clemson, like we it's one of those things where
we saw Clemson. Really they called the dog zone. They
could have scored one hundred points if they wanted to,
and it's really they're in a rough spot. And then
you talk, you hear about the and I'm sure you
(03:46):
saw the WRAL report and some of the stuff out
of CBS where they're talking about fights in the locker room,
about the lack of even like interaction with Belichick from
the players and the lack of uh interaction from Steve Belichick,
the lack of interaction with him, and it just they
(04:07):
said the facility is a toxic place. So I just
I'm these are all things that I have heard before,
But I was like, I don't know, Like now everybody
is kind of but comd s like like they're they
the damn's open.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Okay, let me stop here.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, let me stop you right there, because I'd still
have a handful and it's not the majority. I think
most Carolina fans that I talked to on a daily
basis on this show, they get it. They're embarrassed by it,
they're pissed off about it. Uh, they understand it for
what it is. I still have a handful like this
one guy, his literal name on the text line is Doofy.
He's telling us to stop spreading the BS. Bill isn't
going anywhere. Dabo goes before Bill. He keeps saying it's
(04:49):
not a disaster, and the people blame the media. You know,
are you guys are just loving this? Well, there's no
doubt there's chum in the water here. Okay, no one's
denying that. But the reason there's chum in the water
is because it got out. But as the chum didn't
exist ahead of time, not because, as you're pointing out,
it wasn't toxic inside the building that you know, Bill
hasn't been distracted, or that Michael Lombardi hasn't acted like
a jerk to a lot of people like the there
(05:10):
are real problems that seem to have really upset the
people that matter in Chapel Hill, and it seems like
you're affirming that right now.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Is that the case? And do you think it's fixable?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I don't know how you fix it unless, like you
know what I's that's a lie, that's wrong. I shouldn't
have said that. I know how you fix it. It
takes effort. Now you have to do that. You have
to put the effort into it. And that's the part
that that's the question mark for me. That means you
do have to shake hands with everybody. That means you
(05:42):
do have to make yourself available to the local media.
It does mean you have to make yourself available to
the boosters. You have to talk to them. You have
to make them feel like they're wanted, right, you have
to make them feel like they matter. And it's a
rough spot to be in. And I literally am in
the middle of right a piece right now where I
think we need to retire the words this team is back.
(06:05):
We also need to retire sleeping giant And as a
Virginia tech guy, being back is a thing that people
say it and then they unsay it and say it
and unsay it. And as a un C guy, sleeping
giant is like, yeah, we've been called that since what
nineteen eighty eight? Like what do we do? So you
(06:27):
have to you And the craziest part is this was
a thing that Bubba Cunningham, UNCS athletic director did not
want to have happened. He didn't want this to be
like part of his legacy. He's already got, He's already
in He's already up to his neck in it.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
With the whole care, the whole Carolina North thing, and
and moving from the deandom to another stadium, that's a
whole other can of worms. It is. They're going to
have to make a choice and the voice is not easy.
And in what we're seeing, I don't know if you
did you I'm sure you read the w R A
L stuff. Oh yeah, but they're starting to use words
(07:08):
that are one cutting down the buyout? Was it? The
wide receivers coach wasn't there at practice because of he's
under They're they're investigating him for some recruiting violations, so
they're they're working to find a way to get out
from under this. And then obviously you issue a statement
that says, no, we're all in the same page. We're happy,
(07:31):
but I don't think anybody's happy.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
They shouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And Mike, I, I, you know, I never want to
be personal about this stuff, but to me, it all
goes back to Jordan Hudson for me, like, I mean,
we can blame John pryor start. What's that.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
That's the start, that's the start, That's that's the beginning.
That's the that's the beginning. Because when you have someone
who when you have a lady who donates a ton
of money to you and c who graduated in the
seven she doesn't want to sit at a scholarship dinner
with a twenty four year old she does not like again,
(08:07):
to go back to style, Charlotte, that lady does not
want to sit across from a twenty four year old,
A seventy year old lady, a fifty five, sixty five
year old lady doesn't want to do that. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's embarrassing to know exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
And we we already talked about embarrassment, correct and So
it's one of those things where you have to you
have to know, in the words of my wife, you
have to read the room. And I don't know that
this staff reads the room in a in a in
a very good way. I don't think that they read
the room. I don't think they understand you and see.
(08:40):
The number one thing that you can't do is embarrass us.
If you embarrass us, that's the biggest problem. It's not
the losing. We've lost a lot, are you kidding me?
When I was at UNC in two thousand and three,
my freshman year, we had the number one returning tackler
in the country and he got destroyed by Greg Jones.
(09:03):
We can live with that. We lost to Duke in
two thousand and three, we're two and ten. Coach Bunny
kept his job. We could live with that. But you
can't embarrass us, and that was one of the things.
That's that's a part and every school's different. I will
say this, but when these people, the money people, feel embarrassed,
(09:28):
then you have a problem. And that's the problem that
they're having right now.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it seems he thought he was bigger than the
job too. Michael Felder, former Tarhel defensive back east mech
Eagle college football analyst with us on the hotline here.
They can find your work again, you do a lot
of great stuff in a lot of places, but they
can find some of your work at Tarhel two four
seven right now.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes, yeah, Tarho twenty four to seven. We just did it.
We just put a video on the YouTube. We've put it.
There's another video that's up also, a short, a type video.
If you don't have a lot of time. There's a
type video that's up. It's about I don't know, maybe
two minutes ninety second and me and Andrew Jones. Andrew
Jones has been covering you and see he was at
Inside Carolina. He's stuck around with twenty four to seven.
(10:07):
So he's doing his thing too. And it was good
to talk to him because he's even more connected than
I am, which is wild, but he's been doing it
for so long he knows everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Oh listen, I told somebody yesterday. I was texting with
Andrew during the show yesterday. Back when he was a
Rivals national college football writer fourteen years ago, when I
first started in radio, he was doing weekly hits with me.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So I've known Andrew for a long time.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Great guy, very meticulous, very committed to his craft, and
a lot of respect for that guy now real quick,
and I want to hit you with a few other
questions about other things.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But if they do, If they do, of course, I know,
I get it. You have to be you have to
be tired of this.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
If they do move on mid season, what do they
how do they get through the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Who pilots the ship?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I probably Gareth McGhee really like it's I don't think
it's going to be like because there was the room
original rumors that they were just going to fire pretty kitchens.
That doesn't happen, and I think he's the coach is
doing probably the best job. But I think probably Garrett McGee.
So we'll see, because it won't be any of the Belichicks,
(11:13):
because I think that's if that's what you're getting at.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I don't think it'll be No, that would be preposterous.
You can't do that. That would be like laughably, there's
no way that's not even on the table.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Can't be right.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I think it'll be I think it'll end up
being either Freddy or Garrett. I think those are the
two answers and then we'll go from there.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Love it all right, So let's do this. Let's talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
You mentioned Virginia Tech since you're talking about mid season firings,
and you know we got this is about to be
I think a pretty crazy coaching carousel season coming up
in a couple of months. More coaches will get fired.
But just in terms of you know, they're in Blacksburg.
They've committed an extra. They just found an extra two
hundred thirty million dollars, Mike, I don't know where they
found it. They turned over some couch questions, but they
found it. They got Bruce Arians, big couch. They got
(11:54):
Bruce Arians consulting trying to find a new head coach.
They're going to hire a general manager. Who would you
be looking for? What kind of coach would you be
looking for?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Honestly, I called I called it Jerry neuheisel Man. I
would I'm calling him. And I also the other thing
that I would do, knowing the way that you and
C treated him, I would call up some raw who's
at what two A? And Matt Campbell who you and
CE kind of a shoot like you and C really
(12:23):
pushed them. Those guys off to get Belichick. Come on,
let's go, let's go, let's be let's be mean, like,
let's go, let's go out and get rude. And I
think that's an interesting one. And then I'm looking at
is it bad to say I'm hiring the guy from.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
ODU Ricky Ricky Ronnie?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Really? Why not?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, I don't know. I mean, that's why not.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
He knows the tide water, he does, he does beat
y'all twice? Oh why not him?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, it's a fair point. It's a fair point. All right. Uh,
let's look ahead here real quick. How what do you
think Duke is?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
By the way that they seem to be the only
team right now with really a chance to do much
of anything moving forward?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
How good is many d As his team?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think they're a good football team. I think their
defense is underrated. I don't think people we paid so
much attention to mensa, we don't talk about the defense.
And I think that they are a very good football team,
and watching them play is really exciting, like minus the
two end game, which there's a lot going in the
two in game because Men's obviously transferred from there. But
(13:28):
I think Duke's really good I think Miami. I think
right now in the ACC, I think it goes Miami one.
I think Clemson and Duke are kind of living in
the same space. I think Clemson, Duke, and Georgia Tech
are living in the same space. And then you have
the rest of the league. And because on an any
given day, on an any given Saturday, empty State with
(13:49):
C J. Bailly, they could bubble up. But if we're
just putting them in tiers, I think I think there
there's a one with Miami, and then we have these
three teams together, and then you gotta look at what
we're gonna get out of the rest of those guys.
And so I think Duke is in that second tier,
which is a good place to be. Like, I don't
(14:09):
know if they're gonna do it like when they beat
you and c but they might. They might as well
go ahead and take that picture like Steve Spurrier did
when they beat you and CE.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Do you give South Carolina any chance at LSU on
Saturday night?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I do, But I don't think it's a South Carolina thing.
I think it's an LSU problem where LSU for me one,
I will say this, I love the middle of that defense,
right yep, with with West, let me get them right
with West and Harold Perkins Jr. And then as a
(14:49):
backup you get to throw in Zach like three brothers
that have played together. And then Harold Perkins, who I
don't know if you've seen his story, but it's a
it's remarking, it's incredible, yes, and so you I love
that part. They Their secondary is not up to LSU
standards over the course of a game. It's not. It's
not like when we saw them with Moe Claiborne and
(15:12):
Patrick Peterson and Tyrone Matthews. They're not up to that standard.
But the middle of that defense is the toughest in football,
and I love them, and I think they're going to
give Sellers problems. And then you throw in the fact
that I'm still waiting on because we saw Ka pop
a little bit last weekend right against you, and see sure,
(15:33):
I'm waiting on I'm waiting on Garrett and i' smier
to pop. I'm waiting on him to like do his thing.
I'm waiting on him to let him do his thing.
That's the other part. I think Brian Kelly is a
little bit too controlling and the other thing I'm looking
for is they've got to find a way to run
the football, which they haven't been doing very well. That's
true if they can run the ball, and let let
(15:53):
Garrett because here's the thing, and I've asked multiple people this,
who's the best quarterback coach that Garrett That's has ever had.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I don't know it's that. Oh yeah, it's good. Yeah,
that's the right answer.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, So let him do what he does. And I
think that's the most important part. I feel the same
way about Arch Manning though. Let Arch do what he
does instead of micro managing him. Even but Arch has
to understand to go from Texas because Tession's just lost
to Florida. To speak about Texas, they need Art to
(16:27):
realize that I don't have a great offensive line. I
need to go ball, I don't have extra beats to wait,
I need to throw the football. I think Garrett nes
Myron needs to do the same thing, especially because they
don't have a run game.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Last thing, what are the odds that Miami is the
best team in the country, in the entire country, the
entire country. No, no, okay, why not?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
No? At Ohio State Oregon? Those are the two that
are immediately like that.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Then I'm fine with that answer.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
But I think Miami deserves some part of the conversation.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
To me, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
You can have a part of the like it's a pie,
right and if you have this pie, they get a
slice of it. But I think Ohio State and Oregon
are eating a little bit more of it because you
know who's not eating any of it is Penston.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That's true, That's very very true. You and I will
have that conversation next time you're on.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Brother. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
We apologize for whatever phone line issues that took place,
but we're glad we could get you on. Man, have
a great week.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It was fantastic. It's always good to hear your boys.
I hope you're doing well and you take it easy
and stay out of trouble.
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