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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Speaking of celebrities, we got Michael Strickland, the senior Associate
Commissioner of Atlanta Coast Conference Football. He and I had
a great conversation in Uptown back during ACC Kickoff at
the start of the college football season, and now that
we are nearing the end, Michael Strickland is kind enough
to jump back on here in the week of the
ACC Championship game. Michael, it's good to have you back,
my man.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How you been al has been doing well. We've made
it through the grind of the regular season and now
the postseason is upon us.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Oh yeah, no, I'm excited about it. We got Manny
Diaz on the show to talk about it. Duke Virginia
and listen. I guess I'll just dive right in. There's
been a lot of talk this week between myself and
some of the folks at the ACC Network and other
folks that cover college football about the fact that, you know,
Duke won a five way tiebreaker for that final spot
based on combined winning percentage of conference opponents and things
like that. You know, I'm sure you can't tell me
(00:47):
everything that's being discussed internally, but what are your thoughts
on the way Duke got in, does the conference maybe,
you know, look to address that this offseason. Is that
an issue in your mind.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, there's I think we'll take a look at it
in the off season and our winter meetings and our
spring meetings with both our athletic directors and head football coaches.
That's the group that has evaluated that annually for many years.
We made this change from you'll remember, Kyle, we eliminated divisions,
first conference in America to do so in twenty twenty three,
to consolidate down in the kind of one division, if
(01:17):
you will, and then we expanded further thereafter. So these
tiebreakers date back to our spring meetings of twenty twenty three.
We anticipated a number of different scenarios and certainly multi
team ties with like we saw here, we're part of
our consideration set. I think a key philosophy philosophical point
rather that you'll have to talk about we'll have to
(01:38):
talk about, is our conference games the only games you
evaluate to determine who plays for your for your title,
or you start to consider you know, non conference games
and whether those factor into tiebreakers or not. But as
you know, not all non conference schedules are created equally either.
So it's just a it's a complicated subject, but we'll
dive into it and same.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No, I hear you, and I appreciate the answer, and
I will say, you know, as a talking head by trade,
you know, those of us in the college football universe,
we do have i'll call it a bad habit sometimes
of complaining about college football's rules and wanting change, and
then sometimes we get that change, and a couple of
years later we're already lamenting that change. And like you
just mentioned a second ago, scrapping divisions back in twenty
(02:18):
twenty three. You know, I was excited about it then,
but now I hear a lot of people, especially given
what's going on with the playoff committee, rankings and everything else,
lamenting the fact that these conferences have gotten too big.
What do you think about the latest complaint?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, it is interesting you hear a lot of complaints,
but oftentimes the complaints that we hear or see or
read it don't offer many solutions to replace the current situation.
So if someone can explain to me the math of
how at a seventeen team league we can divide into
two divisions and play an equal and equitable schedule, I'd
love to see that.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, that's a good answer. No, I appreciate the answer.
What just like we're sitting here, you know today, talking
about the rankings last night, and you've got a conference
game in Virginia and Duke, where if we're all being honest,
it's it's kind of a worst case scenario. Maybe you disagree,
but it's kind of a worst case scenario for the
acc that Duke wins and the possibility of the conference
not getting the automatic berth for the conference champion being
(03:12):
ranked highly enough. And you know, then there's Miami and
Notre Dame and what seems to be the ignoring of
a head to head data point, like what's your opinion
on how the committee is treating your conference in the
last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, two different pieces there. We'll start. We'll start first
with Miami, and Miami is right there on the precipice
of being in this playoff. We need, we need to
result candidly out of the Big Twelve championship game. I
think most people expect Texas Tech a great football team,
BYU go football team as well, but Texas Tech takes
care of business. That'll put Miami over BYU and the
(03:46):
final ranking that puts some adjacent to some people that
they've got some commonality with for a number of reasons.
So we're very confident, quite frankly that on Sunday, as
the selection committee chair Hunter Yurchik mentioned and confirm in
his press conference Tuesday night, IDOL teams can move and
teams that play and lose in championship games can be
held accountable for their performance. So we feel really good
(04:09):
that Miami is going to be in the field of
twelve come Sunday afternoon. As we relates to Duke winning
the championship game, They've got a tough opponent in Virginia.
We're looking forward to a really high scoring game. You
got a top twenty team in Virginia, ACC Coach of
the Year and Antony Elliott, you've obtously talked about Manny,
a guest of yours oftentimes, two dynamic quarterbacks. We're going
(04:29):
to have a lot of points in a lot of yards.
I think we're in for a really fun game Saturday
night at eight fourteen at the Bank. Virginia wins. Obviously
they're in Duke wins. That will be their tenth Power
four game played this season. It would be their seventh
Power four win. It would be their fifth Power four
win on the road, it would be a Top twenty
(04:50):
five win. It would be their fourth win against a
team with an above five hundred record. Print out James
Madison's resume, UNLV's resume, and Boisse and tell me if
any of those boxes are checked. Now.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I like that argument, now, I really do. And listen.
I know you mentioned Hunter, you're a check and I
know that you. A lot of these guys in the
committee are colleagues of yours, probably friends of yours. So
I'm not asking you to speak ill of anybody. But
I know, as somebody who talks about the sport every day,
some of the inconsistency in the way they seem to
evaluate this team or these teams, it's a parent and
it's it's frustrating. For instance, you know, head to head
(05:25):
between Notre Dame and Miami doesn't seem to have gotten
as much consideration as I think it should. But then
last night, you know, Texas jumps Vanderbilt in part we're
told because of the head to head result between those
two teams. Do you find it to be a little
bit inconsistent week to week?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, You're right. Hunter is a friend. He got his
start in college athletics working at Wake Forest, so he's
got acc blood in him. The committee has a very
difficult job. The parody in college football today compared to
even six, seven, eight years ago, there's just a lot
more teams that are capable of winning at a high level.
I think when the CFP format started, we probably had
(05:59):
three or teams that were talented enough to win the
whole thing. And I think most observers would agree that
there's gonna be teams that are left out of this
year's playoffs that are capable of winning the whole thing.
So I think we have to keep that in mind
that they've got a very difficult job. You do make
some points about consistency. I think we all hope for
any governing body to be very consistent in the application
(06:20):
of the rules, and so that's often what we ask for,
is just be consistent. You know, we learned the hard
way that there's a rule about the unavailability of key
players or coaches back in twenty twenty three, and then
we almost learned the hard way last year that teams
that lose a championship game may fall more than two
or three spots in the rankings, and so if those
(06:41):
were the rules that are going to be applied against
ACC teams, then those should be the same rules applied
against others others this year.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Do you one of the popular arguments that I get
on my FANDUL text line here on the show is
that maybe we've gotten too far back in the direction
of subjectivity and the eye test and further away from
I don't know, maybe some algorithm make or more empirical
data driven type decision making allah the BCS and the
computers and the indexes and things like that. Do you
think we're still striving for a balance or you know
(07:08):
what's the right way to go there?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think a balance is important. I MEANTCS metrics are
valuable to We've got great data that determines, over the
course of a long period of time what what makes
for a successful football team. But at the end of
the day, we've got bright light bulbs on scoreboards that
are our wonderful metric to evaluate and look at how
(07:31):
teams did when they played against one another lined up
face to face, and look at how teams did against
common opponents on the very same field. That's pretty good
metric to look at as well.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Michael Strickland, Senior Associate Commissioner ACC Football with us here
on the hotline. A couple of big things will let
you go. You and I had a conversation back in
July about the perception of ACC Football continuing to grow
the brand, you know, getting better coaches, better players inside
the conference, you know, in the midst of all that's
going on right now, but also just looking at to
the next couple of years. James Franklin just got added
(08:02):
to the conference. Bill Belichick's going to come back for
year two. We assume Jack Dickrid's done a great job
at Wake Forest. What do you think about the overall
effort and momentum for this conference to be and become
consistently a two to three team in the playoff, you know,
national champion factor every single year without question.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We feel really good about our trajectory and where we are.
You've seen a number of schools make a number of
declarative statements. You mentioned Virginia Tech and hiring coach Franklin.
You saw Boston College make a bold announcement earlier this week.
You mentioned some other examples. You see Stanford making a
huge financial investment. So everywhere you look up and down,
the up and down and across the ACC footprint, everyone
(08:42):
is doubling down on an investment and commitment to football success.
So we feel great about where we're headed. It's very
difficult to win football games, as you know, it will
be super competitive both within the ACC and nationally, but
we feel great about our level of commitment and our
future success.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I was talking to Ryan McGee a ESPN about this yesterday,
about the perceived SEC bias, Like, you know, that's a
thing no matter what your stance on it is. You
know the phrase, it's a thing that people talk about.
ESPN's your partner. You guys do a good job at
the ACC network. Is there ever, Like, what's the extent
of the conversation inside the building, Like, would you hear
people talk about an SEC bias as an ACC committed
(09:21):
or ACC executive who also works with ESPN, what's your
response to that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Well, I think at the end of the day, we
need to line up on the field against our opponents
and score more points than they do, and that's the
way to resolve all issues in sports. And so our
job is to be to be the best we can
be field the best possible teams that are the best
coach and perform under the bright lights and the pressure
and the scrutiny and win ball games. And that'll solve
(09:47):
that'll solve everything else.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
All Right, This is a question I've been dying to
ask you all day. Virginia NC State in Brazil next year.
I love college football. I love Brazil. Really, I think
it's an awesome place. We've seen the NFL do this
for years. Why why take Virginia and NC State to
South America? How does that benefit the sport? How does
that benefit the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
We're really excited about our increased involvement international games. You know,
we've played in the game in Ireland for several several
years in the past. We've got a number of games
on the books with them in the future, including North
Carolina TCU this coming year. Virginia NC State were approached
with a unique opportunity. Uh. I think the group, the
Group of Brazil, which will be here with this Saturday
night here in Charlotte, and we're hosting them and excited
(10:31):
to have them. There may be there may be more
games that they're able to bring. You know, a SEC
teams down. Therefore, certainly financially, it's very there's some lucrative opportunities.
The unique, the unique and exclusive exposure playing in week
zero from a national television perspective, and then the unique
educational experience for our student athletes to be able to
experience a culture that that that they in a country
(10:52):
that they wouldn't otherwise have cause to travel to. We're
still in the education business and the experience business in
college football, and so that's that still matters, and so
and that we're also going to be providing our fans,
you know, at these two schools, a unique opportunity to
plan you know, eight nine, ten months in advance of
you know, kind of a once in all lifetime trip opportunity.
So for for those reasons and others, we we're excited
(11:14):
about the prospects of continued international football.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
All right, last thing, We'll let you go conference championship
game Saturday. It's always a good time, expecting a good crowd.
There's going to be a lot going on. What do
you want folks to know about the weekend coming up?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, I heard you talking before I came on. The
most important thing to clarify is Rick Ross live and
in person Bearding Park a fast Saturday Saturday OK one
hour full length show Rick Ross, and then you can
head down to the Bank for kickoff at shortly after
eight o'clock and have a great time in uptown Charlotte
taking in some high quality acc football. Love it.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Hey, I've really come to enjoy these conversations. Thank you
for making the time. Have a great weekend you too.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Thank you
Speaking of celebrities, we got Michael Strickland, the senior Associate
Commissioner of Atlanta Coast Conference Football. He and I had
a great conversation in Uptown back during ACC Kickoff at
the start of the college football season, and now that
we are nearing the end, Michael Strickland is kind enough
to jump back on here in the week of the
ACC Championship game. Michael, it's good to have you back,
my man.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How you been al has been doing well. We've made
it through the grind of the regular season and now
the postseason is upon us.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Oh yeah, no, I'm excited about it. We got Manny
Diaz on the show to talk about it. Duke Virginia
and listen. I guess I'll just dive right in. There's
been a lot of talk this week between myself and
some of the folks at the ACC Network and other
folks that cover college football about the fact that, you know,
Duke won a five way tiebreaker for that final spot
based on combined winning percentage of conference opponents and things
like that. You know, I'm sure you can't tell me
(00:47):
everything that's being discussed internally, but what are your thoughts
on the way Duke got in, does the conference maybe,
you know, look to address that this offseason. Is that
an issue in your mind.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, there's I think we'll take a look at it
in the off season and our winter meetings and our
spring meetings with both our athletic directors and head football coaches.
That's the group that has evaluated that annually for many years.
We made this change from you'll remember, Kyle, we eliminated divisions,
first conference in America to do so in twenty twenty three,
to consolidate down in the kind of one division, if
(01:17):
you will, and then we expanded further thereafter. So these
tiebreakers date back to our spring meetings of twenty twenty three.
We anticipated a number of different scenarios and certainly multi
team ties with like we saw here, we're part of
our consideration set. I think a key philosophy philosophical point
rather that you'll have to talk about we'll have to
(01:38):
talk about, is our conference games the only games you
evaluate to determine who plays for your for your title,
or you start to consider you know, non conference games
and whether those factor into tiebreakers or not. But as
you know, not all non conference schedules are created equally either.
So it's just a it's a complicated subject, but we'll
dive into it and same.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No, I hear you, and I appreciate the answer, and
I will say, you know, as a talking head by trade,
you know, those of us in the college football universe,
we do have i'll call it a bad habit sometimes
of complaining about college football's rules and wanting change, and
then sometimes we get that change, and a couple of
years later we're already lamenting that change. And like you
just mentioned a second ago, scrapping divisions back in twenty
(02:18):
twenty three. You know, I was excited about it then,
but now I hear a lot of people, especially given
what's going on with the playoff committee, rankings and everything else,
lamenting the fact that these conferences have gotten too big.
What do you think about the latest complaint?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, it is interesting you hear a lot of complaints,
but oftentimes the complaints that we hear or see or
read it don't offer many solutions to replace the current situation.
So if someone can explain to me the math of
how at a seventeen team league we can divide into
two divisions and play an equal and equitable schedule, I'd
love to see that.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, that's a good answer. No, I appreciate the answer.
What just like we're sitting here, you know today, talking
about the rankings last night, and you've got a conference
game in Virginia and Duke, where if we're all being honest,
it's it's kind of a worst case scenario. Maybe you disagree,
but it's kind of a worst case scenario for the
acc that Duke wins and the possibility of the conference
not getting the automatic berth for the conference champion being
(03:12):
ranked highly enough. And you know, then there's Miami and
Notre Dame and what seems to be the ignoring of
a head to head data point, like what's your opinion
on how the committee is treating your conference in the
last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, two different pieces there. We'll start. We'll start first
with Miami, and Miami is right there on the precipice
of being in this playoff. We need, we need to
result candidly out of the Big Twelve championship game. I
think most people expect Texas Tech a great football team,
BYU go football team as well, but Texas Tech takes
care of business. That'll put Miami over BYU and the
(03:46):
final ranking that puts some adjacent to some people that
they've got some commonality with for a number of reasons.
So we're very confident, quite frankly that on Sunday, as
the selection committee chair Hunter Yurchik mentioned and confirm in
his press conference Tuesday night, IDOL teams can move and
teams that play and lose in championship games can be
held accountable for their performance. So we feel really good
(04:09):
that Miami is going to be in the field of
twelve come Sunday afternoon. As we relates to Duke winning
the championship game, They've got a tough opponent in Virginia.
We're looking forward to a really high scoring game. You
got a top twenty team in Virginia, ACC Coach of
the Year and Antony Elliott, you've obtously talked about Manny,
a guest of yours oftentimes, two dynamic quarterbacks. We're going
(04:29):
to have a lot of points in a lot of yards.
I think we're in for a really fun game Saturday
night at eight fourteen at the Bank. Virginia wins. Obviously
they're in Duke wins. That will be their tenth Power
four game played this season. It would be their seventh
Power four win. It would be their fifth Power four
win on the road, it would be a Top twenty
(04:50):
five win. It would be their fourth win against a
team with an above five hundred record. Print out James
Madison's resume, UNLV's resume, and Boisse and tell me if
any of those boxes are checked. Now.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I like that argument, now, I really do. And listen.
I know you mentioned Hunter, you're a check and I
know that you. A lot of these guys in the
committee are colleagues of yours, probably friends of yours. So
I'm not asking you to speak ill of anybody. But
I know, as somebody who talks about the sport every day,
some of the inconsistency in the way they seem to
evaluate this team or these teams, it's a parent and
it's it's frustrating. For instance, you know, head to head
(05:25):
between Notre Dame and Miami doesn't seem to have gotten
as much consideration as I think it should. But then
last night, you know, Texas jumps Vanderbilt in part we're
told because of the head to head result between those
two teams. Do you find it to be a little
bit inconsistent week to week?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, You're right. Hunter is a friend. He got his
start in college athletics working at Wake Forest, so he's
got acc blood in him. The committee has a very
difficult job. The parody in college football today compared to
even six, seven, eight years ago, there's just a lot
more teams that are capable of winning at a high level.
I think when the CFP format started, we probably had
(05:59):
three or teams that were talented enough to win the
whole thing. And I think most observers would agree that
there's gonna be teams that are left out of this
year's playoffs that are capable of winning the whole thing.
So I think we have to keep that in mind
that they've got a very difficult job. You do make
some points about consistency. I think we all hope for
any governing body to be very consistent in the application
(06:20):
of the rules, and so that's often what we ask for,
is just be consistent. You know, we learned the hard
way that there's a rule about the unavailability of key
players or coaches back in twenty twenty three, and then
we almost learned the hard way last year that teams
that lose a championship game may fall more than two
or three spots in the rankings, and so if those
(06:41):
were the rules that are going to be applied against
ACC teams, then those should be the same rules applied
against others others this year.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Do you one of the popular arguments that I get
on my FANDUL text line here on the show is
that maybe we've gotten too far back in the direction
of subjectivity and the eye test and further away from
I don't know, maybe some algorithm make or more empirical
data driven type decision making allah the BCS and the
computers and the indexes and things like that. Do you
think we're still striving for a balance or you know
(07:08):
what's the right way to go there?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think a balance is important. I MEANTCS metrics are
valuable to We've got great data that determines, over the
course of a long period of time what what makes
for a successful football team. But at the end of
the day, we've got bright light bulbs on scoreboards that
are our wonderful metric to evaluate and look at how
(07:31):
teams did when they played against one another lined up
face to face, and look at how teams did against
common opponents on the very same field. That's pretty good
metric to look at as well.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Michael Strickland, Senior Associate Commissioner ACC Football with us here
on the hotline. A couple of big things will let
you go. You and I had a conversation back in
July about the perception of ACC Football continuing to grow
the brand, you know, getting better coaches, better players inside
the conference, you know, in the midst of all that's
going on right now, but also just looking at to
the next couple of years. James Franklin just got added
(08:02):
to the conference. Bill Belichick's going to come back for
year two. We assume Jack Dickrid's done a great job
at Wake Forest. What do you think about the overall
effort and momentum for this conference to be and become
consistently a two to three team in the playoff, you know,
national champion factor every single year without question.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We feel really good about our trajectory and where we are.
You've seen a number of schools make a number of
declarative statements. You mentioned Virginia Tech and hiring coach Franklin.
You saw Boston College make a bold announcement earlier this week.
You mentioned some other examples. You see Stanford making a
huge financial investment. So everywhere you look up and down,
the up and down and across the ACC footprint, everyone
(08:42):
is doubling down on an investment and commitment to football success.
So we feel great about where we're headed. It's very
difficult to win football games, as you know, it will
be super competitive both within the ACC and nationally, but
we feel great about our level of commitment and our
future success.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I was talking to Ryan McGee a ESPN about this yesterday,
about the perceived SEC bias, Like, you know, that's a
thing no matter what your stance on it is. You
know the phrase, it's a thing that people talk about.
ESPN's your partner. You guys do a good job at
the ACC network. Is there ever, Like, what's the extent
of the conversation inside the building, Like, would you hear
people talk about an SEC bias as an ACC committed
(09:21):
or ACC executive who also works with ESPN, what's your
response to that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Well, I think at the end of the day, we
need to line up on the field against our opponents
and score more points than they do, and that's the
way to resolve all issues in sports. And so our
job is to be to be the best we can
be field the best possible teams that are the best
coach and perform under the bright lights and the pressure
and the scrutiny and win ball games. And that'll solve
(09:47):
that'll solve everything else.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
All Right, This is a question I've been dying to
ask you all day. Virginia NC State in Brazil next year.
I love college football. I love Brazil. Really, I think
it's an awesome place. We've seen the NFL do this
for years. Why why take Virginia and NC State to
South America? How does that benefit the sport? How does
that benefit the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
We're really excited about our increased involvement international games. You know,
we've played in the game in Ireland for several several
years in the past. We've got a number of games
on the books with them in the future, including North
Carolina TCU this coming year. Virginia NC State were approached
with a unique opportunity. Uh. I think the group, the
Group of Brazil, which will be here with this Saturday
night here in Charlotte, and we're hosting them and excited
(10:31):
to have them. There may be there may be more
games that they're able to bring. You know, a SEC
teams down. Therefore, certainly financially, it's very there's some lucrative opportunities.
The unique, the unique and exclusive exposure playing in week
zero from a national television perspective, and then the unique
educational experience for our student athletes to be able to
experience a culture that that that they in a country
(10:52):
that they wouldn't otherwise have cause to travel to. We're
still in the education business and the experience business in
college football, and so that's that still matters, and so
and that we're also going to be providing our fans,
you know, at these two schools, a unique opportunity to
plan you know, eight nine, ten months in advance of
you know, kind of a once in all lifetime trip opportunity.
So for for those reasons and others, we we're excited
(11:14):
about the prospects of continued international football.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
All right, last thing, We'll let you go conference championship
game Saturday. It's always a good time, expecting a good crowd.
There's going to be a lot going on. What do
you want folks to know about the weekend coming up?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, I heard you talking before I came on. The
most important thing to clarify is Rick Ross live and
in person Bearding Park a fast Saturday Saturday OK one
hour full length show Rick Ross, and then you can
head down to the Bank for kickoff at shortly after
eight o'clock and have a great time in uptown Charlotte
taking in some high quality acc football. Love it.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Hey, I've really come to enjoy these conversations. Thank you
for making the time. Have a great weekend you too.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Thank you
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