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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now, we welcome in and welcome back Ryan McGee
of ESPN, senior writer, College Game Day contributor in one
half of Marty and McGee. Our buddy Ryan McGee back
with us on a Tuesday, Ryan, what's going on, brother?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Well?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
You know, I think we're actually going to play college
football playoff games this weekend, so I'm ready to get
on with that.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm fired up too, I really am.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Let me actually go start with NASCAR, because you know,
last week when the news broke, we got we got
Bob Pokerson here giving us all the latest from the
from the courtroom, and we talked a lot about what happened.
But I know you've written about it, You've been covering
it as well. It sounds like NASCAR felt like they
were pretty clearly losing this case and Jim Franz and
company decided to settle with Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
What are your thoughts on the way it all went down?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Well, I mean I wrote a column that night just
about the fact that you know, this was this had
to happen, and you know, whether to me, what this
whole thing told us was no matter where you still
on charters or all these things. What it told us
was is there had to be a change in the
way that NASCAR was being managed, because it certainly was
(01:06):
no secret to those of us who are in the
garage a lot and are involved in things that you know,
Steve Felts and Steve O'Donnell, you know, inexcusable texts about
Richard Chulders and all those things. Aside their frustration, and
I think that everyone in the garage knew this was that,
you know, they would work really really hard for a
(01:27):
really long time on trying to find some sort of agreement,
and when they would come to some sort of agreement
with the owners, they would go to their boss, who
is Jim Frantz, who is the son of the founder
of NASCAR and the brother of Bill Franz Junior, and
he would vetell everything. And so during the testimony a
lot of this that started coming out about the dictatorship
(01:47):
and the brick wall and all these things. We were
all hearing those things internally for a really long time,
certainly the last couple of years, and so, you know,
Jim France I think recognized as the trial went on,
certainly after he testified that he needed to get out
of the way, not completely, but he certainly needed to
get out of the way at a level that his
(02:09):
father never did and his brother never did, and then
even his nephew never did. And so you know, going forward,
things are going to change the problem they have now.
And this is what I wrote in the column is
now you've got to go back and fix minded feelings
and hurt feelings. And you know, I would liken it
to a family argument, you know, Thanksgiving and Christmas is
you know, suddenly your brother in law starts talking about
your drunk ant and you know, your wife admits that
(02:32):
your brother creeps are out, and all people start screaming
all this stuff, and then when everybody kisses and makes up,
Now you've got to fix the hurt feelings. And that's
what NASCAR's got it you now, is everybody in the
garridge has got to fix hurt feelings about the things
they said. And also, I mean, you know, management has
to do damage control. And so it's going to be
a really really interesting sociology experiment going forward.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't know if this matters to you or if
it matters at all, but it's been a fairly common
text that I get on my FanDuel text line for
people the past couple of days saying, you know, all
these other teams that benefit from this, but we're unwilling
to take on this fight. Oh, Michael Jordan, Denny Hamlin
to thank you? What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, And they knew that. They knew it one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And if you talk to those owners privately, you know
what they would tell you. And then honestly, some of
them said it publicly too, which was, you know, they
signed the agreement, but they also you know, what Denny
Hamlin and Michael Jordan and what Bob Jenkins were doing.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
With Front Rollers Sports, they were.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Doing it with the kind of you know, quiet consent
of those who did not sign the document. So yeah,
that's no secret, I mean, and a lot of people
say that, you know, is a lot of questions going forward,
because now there's no question charters were already and the
last group of charters sold for forty million dollars each,
and in the beginning they were selling for about four
and so there's no question that there's equity now and
(03:54):
there's value in owning a team that did not exist.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You and I have talked about this.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I watched Ricky Rudd and Bill Elliott and Jeff o'
nine and Bret Bonine and you know, all these guys
auction off their life for pennies on the dollar because
what they had was worth anything.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Now it is.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
And the question is what kind of new owners might
you bring in going forward, because this is going to
have to have these people with some money in their pockets.
So yes, all of the owners current owners definitely owe them,
thank you. But those guys all knew that going in
that they were doing the dirty work, and Michael was
very happy to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Ryan McGee ESPN with us here on a Tuesday Sharon
Moore and Michigan got really ugly really fast last week.
You know, I feel like I say this to you
a lot. You've covered a ton in this sport. You
have a lot of reference points. Is this compared to anything?
And as it relates to this story, you're really good
at getting to the core of it, the core issue,
like what's the most important story within the story in
(04:47):
anarbur Michigan right now?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Well, I say, I say number one, the age of
secrets is over, you know, and I can't think it
kind of started with you know, when we had the
mess at Baylor, where Art Briles knew that all this
sexual assault was going on and was going old school like,
let's call the sheriff's department and make it go away. Well,
that worked in the seventies, and it worked in the sixties,
(05:12):
and even worked in the eighties. But those days are done.
You know, Lane Kiffin's kind of learning that you can't
just say something out loud, this is what I did,
and then.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
The people that you said it about are going.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
To come out and go, well, no, you didn't, and
so I think so.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Lesson number one is there's no.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
More secrets, and lesson number two is you can't enable
this stuff because one of the great myths about college
sports is that these are these big, monolithic corporations that
have thousands of employees.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
No they don't.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
They have a few dozen employees. And so everyone and
no matter where you work, if you work at Bank
of America or you work at you know, some local
print shop, everyone kind of knows what's going on. You
know that shady guy that sits over here, or everybody
knows that this is the guy that that you know
so and so that he did this or he I
don't know where that money went where that money go.
(06:02):
Everybody kind of knows what's going on. People knew what
was happening. You know, no one in the building is surprised.
And so that's the part that we're enabling these guys,
these coaches that live in these silos where they're surrounded
by yes people. And it's kind kind of like your
social media feed, right, you can trim that thing up
so that everything you look at agrees with you. That's
(06:25):
dangerous because now you think you're right even when you're wrong,
and these guys start thinking they can get away with
whatever they want to get away with because everyone around
them is enabling them.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And the truth is going to catch up to you.
It just is the days of.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Keeping secrets are over with, especially in the state of
Michigan at a university. After all this stuff with the
gymnasts as stuff, you really think nobody's gonna find out
about this stuff because they're going to And so that's
the lesson. The lesson going forward is if you see something,
say something, because if you don't, you are complicit. And
I think that's what everyone's starting to learn. Should have
(07:01):
learned already in ann Arbor, but certainly all else, who
are a Missigan?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Any thoughts on who's next there? Any thoughts on who they?
I mean, I'm hearing all sorts of names like you are,
But you know, what are they doing next time?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I really don't. I was having this conversational over today.
It's interesting too, you find out these things in these
situations too. Who you think you are and who other
people think you are might be two different things.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And you know, Penn State kind of figured ou out.
Florida has kind of figured that out. You know, I'm
a Tennessee alump. Tennessee learned that lesson for a decade.
They thought, just gil whatever coach they want, and people
are like, I don't want that job, and so it's
going to be an interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Time going forward.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And of all the years to get behind on the
coaching search, this was not the year.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I really don't have an answer for that, Kaylor the bores,
I can take that job, I don't believe. I mean,
I was just down there two weeks ago. And he
loves the challenge of being the next guy to get
his statue up front for winning and after championship, and
he's not scared of that and so I would I
think any talk to you hear about him leaving right
now is way pretty maature.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
What was your reaction to Fernando Mendoza winning the Heisman
Trophy award, but also Diego Pavia's reaction to it after
the fact.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well, I mean, my question for Diego, and I appreciate
him walking it back after he just got destroyed the internet,
but he only did it because he got destroy on
the Internet. My question for Diego was, well, now is it.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
F all of us, like, what if you were on
our ballot?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Right, yep, you know for all the HEISWA voters And no,
wait a minute, look to me, like you got a
lot of first place votes and you got a lot
of second place votes and you finished second. So I
just I just that part of it. I think he's
learned a lesson. At least I hope he's learned a lesson.
You can shoot off the hip all you want, but
there is a decorum to it. But I have no
issue with the winner. I thought that was the winner.
(08:50):
I thought he should have been the winner. Anybody that
takes that Indiana program and has them playing for a
nasal championship and ranked number one for the first time ever,
and and the fact that the Indiana even has a
Heisman finalists was a big deal, and in his speech
anyone hadn't questioned about it. I think that speech was
the speech of a kid that everyone agrees kind of
embodies with the spirit of the Heisman is. And so
(09:12):
i't have a problem with it at all. And now
we get to actually play football games, and I'm really
really curious to see what Indiana looks like now on
the really big stage.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well, the first one we get, of course, is number
nine versus number eight Alabama Oklahoma coming up on Friday night.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's a rematch.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Oklahoma beat Alabama back in Tuscaloosa about a month ago.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The game within the game here, what are you most
interested in?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Well, listen, you guy, Roan Harpers does it all the time.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You know, everybody talks about Georgia has an Alabama problem.
This is obviously before this, it's a championship game two
weeks ago, but ever since, Georgia has an Alabama problem.
And what Roman Harper kept saying, well was Alabama has
an Oklahoma problem. And so I think there is a
little mentality about that, and I think that Oklahoma is
what it is easily in my top five percent scent
(10:00):
of places you have to go watch college football game.
And I think that when Texas and Oklahoma joined the conference,
the headliner was Texas because Texas is Texas and they
wanted to make sure they were the headliner. But the
reality is, the history is in Norman, and the Heismans
are in Norman, and that crowd always like in the
Oklahoma football crowd. He'd ever go to a baseball game
(10:21):
in Saint Louis Like the crowd they will stand up
and appla at a solid bunch sacrifice that moves a
runner to third. Right, Yes, they know baseball. In the
Oklahoma crowd, they understand. You know what, we didn't convert
on third down right there, But everyone in the state
of understands we're going to file that away and convert
that third down in the fourth quarter. They just they
get football. And so I think it's the atmosphere is
(10:44):
gonna be awesome. I love the fact that tonight is
going to be super cold, and you have an Alabama
team that needs to win a game and has an
Oklahoma problem, and so I think there's a lot to
me that's the perfect game to kick this thing off
this weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm with you, that's a sidebar. I got to see
a game out there during the summer of ninety eight
the McGuire and Social Hall run Chase and let me
tell you, you couldn't be more right about the baseball IQ
of those people.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It is something to behold. It really is.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
They just get it. And and oh, by the way,
tip of the cap to the James Madison social media people.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
This stuff that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
JMU is putting out there about Oregon is brilliant. Like
them show them showing these clips of this Dan Lanning
offense and these Oregon guys all over the field, and
Jamie was like, you call this speed?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
What is this? It is? I mean, it is so funny.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They they got the one the one screen paths to
the offensive lineman on and like in practice, and they're like,
Oregon's got nothing for this, Like it is.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
It is brilliant.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
It's exactly how you should play it. And so uh,
I don't root against anyone in the postseason. I don't
root for anyone in postseason. That's not my job. But
I would love to see I think it would be
good for college football, for a JMU to win a game,
or for for Tulane to win a game. I just think,
you know, everybody wanted more Mark Madness than their college
(11:59):
footba and so now we get some underdogs in the
tournament and people.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Are complaining about it.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So guess what I want to see somebody going to
UNBC Davidson run and sure everybody, how fun it could be.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm right there with you. Last thing. I'll let you go.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And am I crazy to believe that Miami beats A
and M on Saturday? Because I think they do.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
No, I don't think it's crazy. I think there's a chance.
I think A and M is vulnerable. I am a
huge Marcel Reed guy, the quarterback at A and M.
I think he is super underrated. But I think that
listen to history of A and M football is what
it is and I stay it all the time, and
it makes them mad. They've not won a national title
since Gone With to Win was the number one number
(12:38):
one movie it's box office. They've not won a conference
title since Arci Slunkan was the head coach. And you
can say the thing that about Miami about the fact
that listening this ain't the nineties anymore. This is in
two thousand and one and so something's got to give.
But I'm with you one hundred percent. I think they could.
But you know, it just depends on which Miami shows up,
because there are two distinctly different Miami things we've seen
(12:58):
this year.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You're the best man, Really appreciate the time as always. Well,
we'll talk to you soon, all right, brother, Thanks
Right now, we welcome in and welcome back Ryan McGee
of ESPN, senior writer, College Game Day contributor in one
half of Marty and McGee. Our buddy Ryan McGee back
with us on a Tuesday, Ryan, what's going on, brother?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Well?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
You know, I think we're actually going to play college
football playoff games this weekend, so I'm ready to get
on with that.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm fired up too, I really am.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Let me actually go start with NASCAR, because you know,
last week when the news broke, we got we got
Bob Pokerson here giving us all the latest from the
from the courtroom, and we talked a lot about what happened.
But I know you've written about it, You've been covering
it as well. It sounds like NASCAR felt like they
were pretty clearly losing this case and Jim Franz and
company decided to settle with Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
What are your thoughts on the way it all went down?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Well, I mean I wrote a column that night just
about the fact that you know, this was this had
to happen, and you know, whether to me, what this
whole thing told us was no matter where you still
on charters or all these things. What it told us
was is there had to be a change in the
way that NASCAR was being managed, because it certainly was
(01:06):
no secret to those of us who are in the
garage a lot and are involved in things that you know,
Steve Felts and Steve O'Donnell, you know, inexcusable texts about
Richard Chulders and all those things. Aside their frustration, and
I think that everyone in the garage knew this was that,
you know, they would work really really hard for a
(01:27):
really long time on trying to find some sort of agreement,
and when they would come to some sort of agreement
with the owners, they would go to their boss, who
is Jim Frantz, who is the son of the founder
of NASCAR and the brother of Bill Franz Junior, and
he would vetell everything. And so during the testimony a
lot of this that started coming out about the dictatorship
(01:47):
and the brick wall and all these things. We were
all hearing those things internally for a really long time,
certainly the last couple of years, and so, you know,
Jim France I think recognized as the trial went on,
certainly after he testified that he needed to get out
of the way, not completely, but he certainly needed to
get out of the way at a level that his
(02:09):
father never did and his brother never did, and then
even his nephew never did. And so you know, going forward,
things are going to change the problem they have now.
And this is what I wrote in the column is
now you've got to go back and fix minded feelings
and hurt feelings. And you know, I would liken it
to a family argument, you know, Thanksgiving and Christmas is
you know, suddenly your brother in law starts talking about
your drunk ant and you know, your wife admits that
(02:32):
your brother creeps are out, and all people start screaming
all this stuff, and then when everybody kisses and makes up,
Now you've got to fix the hurt feelings. And that's
what NASCAR's got it you now, is everybody in the
garridge has got to fix hurt feelings about the things
they said. And also, I mean, you know, management has
to do damage control. And so it's going to be
a really really interesting sociology experiment going forward.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't know if this matters to you or if
it matters at all, but it's been a fairly common
text that I get on my FanDuel text line for
people the past couple of days saying, you know, all
these other teams that benefit from this, but we're unwilling
to take on this fight. Oh, Michael Jordan, Denny Hamlin
to thank you? What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, And they knew that. They knew it one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And if you talk to those owners privately, you know
what they would tell you. And then honestly, some of
them said it publicly too, which was, you know, they
signed the agreement, but they also you know, what Denny
Hamlin and Michael Jordan and what Bob Jenkins were doing.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
With Front Rollers Sports, they were.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Doing it with the kind of you know, quiet consent
of those who did not sign the document. So yeah,
that's no secret, I mean, and a lot of people
say that, you know, is a lot of questions going forward,
because now there's no question charters were already and the
last group of charters sold for forty million dollars each,
and in the beginning they were selling for about four
and so there's no question that there's equity now and
(03:54):
there's value in owning a team that did not exist.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You and I have talked about this.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I watched Ricky Rudd and Bill Elliott and Jeff o'
nine and Bret Bonine and you know, all these guys
auction off their life for pennies on the dollar because
what they had was worth anything.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Now it is.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
And the question is what kind of new owners might
you bring in going forward, because this is going to
have to have these people with some money in their pockets.
So yes, all of the owners current owners definitely owe them,
thank you. But those guys all knew that going in
that they were doing the dirty work, and Michael was
very happy to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Ryan McGee ESPN with us here on a Tuesday Sharon
Moore and Michigan got really ugly really fast last week.
You know, I feel like I say this to you
a lot. You've covered a ton in this sport. You
have a lot of reference points. Is this compared to anything?
And as it relates to this story, you're really good
at getting to the core of it, the core issue,
like what's the most important story within the story in
(04:47):
anarbur Michigan right now?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Well, I say, I say number one, the age of
secrets is over, you know, and I can't think it
kind of started with you know, when we had the
mess at Baylor, where Art Briles knew that all this
sexual assault was going on and was going old school like,
let's call the sheriff's department and make it go away. Well,
that worked in the seventies, and it worked in the sixties,
(05:12):
and even worked in the eighties. But those days are done.
You know, Lane Kiffin's kind of learning that you can't
just say something out loud, this is what I did,
and then.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
The people that you said it about are going.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
To come out and go, well, no, you didn't, and
so I think so.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Lesson number one is there's no.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
More secrets, and lesson number two is you can't enable
this stuff because one of the great myths about college
sports is that these are these big, monolithic corporations that
have thousands of employees.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
No they don't.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
They have a few dozen employees. And so everyone and
no matter where you work, if you work at Bank
of America or you work at you know, some local
print shop, everyone kind of knows what's going on. You
know that shady guy that sits over here, or everybody
knows that this is the guy that that you know
so and so that he did this or he I
don't know where that money went where that money go.
(06:02):
Everybody kind of knows what's going on. People knew what
was happening. You know, no one in the building is surprised.
And so that's the part that we're enabling these guys,
these coaches that live in these silos where they're surrounded
by yes people. And it's kind kind of like your
social media feed, right, you can trim that thing up
so that everything you look at agrees with you. That's
(06:25):
dangerous because now you think you're right even when you're wrong,
and these guys start thinking they can get away with
whatever they want to get away with because everyone around
them is enabling them.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And the truth is going to catch up to you.
It just is the days of.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Keeping secrets are over with, especially in the state of
Michigan at a university. After all this stuff with the
gymnasts as stuff, you really think nobody's gonna find out
about this stuff because they're going to And so that's
the lesson. The lesson going forward is if you see something,
say something, because if you don't, you are complicit. And
I think that's what everyone's starting to learn. Should have
(07:01):
learned already in ann Arbor, but certainly all else, who
are a Missigan?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Any thoughts on who's next there? Any thoughts on who they?
I mean, I'm hearing all sorts of names like you are,
But you know, what are they doing next time?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I really don't. I was having this conversational over today.
It's interesting too, you find out these things in these
situations too. Who you think you are and who other
people think you are might be two different things.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And you know, Penn State kind of figured ou out.
Florida has kind of figured that out. You know, I'm
a Tennessee alump. Tennessee learned that lesson for a decade.
They thought, just gil whatever coach they want, and people
are like, I don't want that job, and so it's
going to be an interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Time going forward.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And of all the years to get behind on the
coaching search, this was not the year.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I really don't have an answer for that, Kaylor the bores,
I can take that job, I don't believe. I mean,
I was just down there two weeks ago. And he
loves the challenge of being the next guy to get
his statue up front for winning and after championship, and
he's not scared of that and so I would I
think any talk to you hear about him leaving right
now is way pretty maature.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
What was your reaction to Fernando Mendoza winning the Heisman
Trophy award, but also Diego Pavia's reaction to it after
the fact.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well, I mean, my question for Diego, and I appreciate
him walking it back after he just got destroyed the internet,
but he only did it because he got destroy on
the Internet. My question for Diego was, well, now is it.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
F all of us, like, what if you were on
our ballot?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Right, yep, you know for all the HEISWA voters And no,
wait a minute, look to me, like you got a
lot of first place votes and you got a lot
of second place votes and you finished second. So I
just I just that part of it. I think he's
learned a lesson. At least I hope he's learned a lesson.
You can shoot off the hip all you want, but
there is a decorum to it. But I have no
issue with the winner. I thought that was the winner.
(08:50):
I thought he should have been the winner. Anybody that
takes that Indiana program and has them playing for a
nasal championship and ranked number one for the first time ever,
and and the fact that the Indiana even has a
Heisman finalists was a big deal, and in his speech
anyone hadn't questioned about it. I think that speech was
the speech of a kid that everyone agrees kind of
embodies with the spirit of the Heisman is. And so
(09:12):
i't have a problem with it at all. And now
we get to actually play football games, and I'm really
really curious to see what Indiana looks like now on
the really big stage.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well, the first one we get, of course, is number
nine versus number eight Alabama Oklahoma coming up on Friday night.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's a rematch.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Oklahoma beat Alabama back in Tuscaloosa about a month ago.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The game within the game here, what are you most
interested in?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Well, listen, you guy, Roan Harpers does it all the time.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You know, everybody talks about Georgia has an Alabama problem.
This is obviously before this, it's a championship game two
weeks ago, but ever since, Georgia has an Alabama problem.
And what Roman Harper kept saying, well was Alabama has
an Oklahoma problem. And so I think there is a
little mentality about that, and I think that Oklahoma is
what it is easily in my top five percent scent
(10:00):
of places you have to go watch college football game.
And I think that when Texas and Oklahoma joined the conference,
the headliner was Texas because Texas is Texas and they
wanted to make sure they were the headliner. But the
reality is, the history is in Norman, and the Heismans
are in Norman, and that crowd always like in the
Oklahoma football crowd. He'd ever go to a baseball game
(10:21):
in Saint Louis Like the crowd they will stand up
and appla at a solid bunch sacrifice that moves a
runner to third. Right, Yes, they know baseball. In the
Oklahoma crowd, they understand. You know what, we didn't convert
on third down right there, But everyone in the state
of understands we're going to file that away and convert
that third down in the fourth quarter. They just they
get football. And so I think it's the atmosphere is
(10:44):
gonna be awesome. I love the fact that tonight is
going to be super cold, and you have an Alabama
team that needs to win a game and has an
Oklahoma problem, and so I think there's a lot to
me that's the perfect game to kick this thing off
this weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm with you, that's a sidebar. I got to see
a game out there during the summer of ninety eight
the McGuire and Social Hall run Chase and let me
tell you, you couldn't be more right about the baseball IQ
of those people.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It is something to behold. It really is.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
They just get it. And and oh, by the way,
tip of the cap to the James Madison social media people.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
This stuff that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
JMU is putting out there about Oregon is brilliant. Like
them show them showing these clips of this Dan Lanning
offense and these Oregon guys all over the field, and
Jamie was like, you call this speed?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
What is this? It is? I mean, it is so funny.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They they got the one the one screen paths to
the offensive lineman on and like in practice, and they're like,
Oregon's got nothing for this, Like it is.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
It is brilliant.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
It's exactly how you should play it. And so uh,
I don't root against anyone in the postseason. I don't
root for anyone in postseason. That's not my job. But
I would love to see I think it would be
good for college football, for a JMU to win a game,
or for for Tulane to win a game. I just think,
you know, everybody wanted more Mark Madness than their college
(11:59):
footba and so now we get some underdogs in the
tournament and people.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Are complaining about it.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So guess what I want to see somebody going to
UNBC Davidson run and sure everybody, how fun it could be.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm right there with you. Last thing. I'll let you go.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And am I crazy to believe that Miami beats A
and M on Saturday? Because I think they do.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
No, I don't think it's crazy. I think there's a chance.
I think A and M is vulnerable. I am a
huge Marcel Reed guy, the quarterback at A and M.
I think he is super underrated. But I think that
listen to history of A and M football is what
it is and I stay it all the time, and
it makes them mad. They've not won a national title
since Gone With to Win was the number one number
(12:38):
one movie it's box office. They've not won a conference
title since Arci Slunkan was the head coach. And you
can say the thing that about Miami about the fact
that listening this ain't the nineties anymore. This is in
two thousand and one and so something's got to give.
But I'm with you one hundred percent. I think they could.
But you know, it just depends on which Miami shows up,
because there are two distinctly different Miami things we've seen
(12:58):
this year.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You're the best man, Really appreciate the time as always. Well,
we'll talk to you soon, all right, brother, Thanks
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