The Lincoln Ware Rewind: December 23, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm still on a speeding bullet.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Or powerful on a locomotive. Hey, we believe Paul hillings
at a single down.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm cried.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Lincoln, Lincoln, Lincoln bobingas banabingun feed bin ling gun Lincoln.
They say, live cat Lincoln is a bad mother.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Just talking about Lincoln.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Wake up, Wake up, Cincinnati. It's time to turn up
the buzz. From bond Hill to Price Hill, from Avondale
to Westwood, O t R and downtown the Queens City
is tuned in to twelve thirty w dB Z. We
are the buzz of Cincinnati, your talk station. And and
this is the Lincoln War Show. I'm Kevin Aldridge sitting

(01:05):
in for Lincoln Where today until twelve twenty five. That's right.
We're getting started on Christmas vacation about a half hour
early today. We got Louisville Louisville football coming on at
twelve thirty today, so we'll be cutting things off a
little bit early. So if you want to get in

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on the conversation today, seven four nine, twelve thirty is
the number, make sure you get on early because we
want to make sure we get you in before we
sign off of twelve thirty at twelve thirty. Merry Christmas
to everybody out there a couple of days away. Hopefully

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you got all your gifts wrapped, shopping done, stocking stuffed.
Hope Santa brings you everything that you want this Christmas.
Hopefully the economy hasn't hit you too tough. Hopefully you
were able to get your kids more than one or

(02:10):
two dolls because of the Trump tariffs. But it's a
joyous time I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
In.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
One of my favorite times of the year is Christmas.
Tis the season to be jolly. And we're gonna get
down on some local, state, and national news today, and boy,
there is a lot to talk about. But before I
get into that, for those who might be unfamiliar, it's

(02:46):
about the fifth or sixth time I've sat in for Lincoln.
Lincoln asked me to fill in for him when he
was on vacation. He didn't tell me that his brother
had like twenty five thousand vacation days he was playing
and on takeing. He neglected to mention that. But nonetheless,
I'm here for my man filling in. If you're unfamiliar,

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I am the opinion editor at the Cincinnati Enquirer. I
also am a youth pastor here in the city of
Cincinnati at the Great Allen Temple am E Church, where
the Reverend Alphonse Allen is the senior pastor there. I
also co own a professional basketball team in the city
of Cincinnati known as the Ohio Kings. And on top

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of that, I do a podcast here in the city
called Hot Mike Cincy with my man Nathan Ivy. Is
the fastest growing podcast in the city where we bring
diverse points of view together to debate and discuss issues.
We're on a hiatus until the new year right now,

(03:52):
taking a break, but season two will be out in January.
We're on Tuesdays and Fridays right after Lincoln. So if
you still want to chop up the issues after you
do it with Lincoln, you can come over to Facebook
and YouTube to the Hot Mike Sensey page and join
the conversation there. But we got a lot to talk

(04:15):
about this morning. The third batch of the Epstein files
got released. Now, these were part of the documents that
were supposed to be released on Friday, and we know
the Justice Department was resistant to releasing everything. But in

(04:35):
this latest batch that comes out, there are some emails
that make mention specifically of Donald Trump, and one of
the emails that's prominent in this latest batch says that
President Trump flew on Epstein's plane at least eight times
in the nineteen nineties, including one with an unnamed twenty

(04:58):
year old women. Yeah, that's right, that's what it says. Now,
the Justice Department was quick to come back and say
that some of the documents included that mentioned Trump were quote,
untrue and sensationalistic claims made against President Trump. To be clear,

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the claims are unfounded and false, the Justice Department said,
and if they had a shred of credibility, they would
have been weaponized against President Trump already. So that's the
Justice Department's stance on this latest batch of Epstein documents
that contains files and documents that make references to President Trump.

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What do you think do you think that stuff like
this is what the Trump administration has been trying to
block and keep out of the public out of the
public domain because it might make the president look bad.
What do you think of the Justice Department's defense and

(06:08):
saying that these are sensationalistic claims and are unfounded and untrue,
and that if they were true, people would have added
them against the president a long time ago, maybe during
one of the presidential campaigns. I'm curious to know what
you think about the revelations contained in this latest batch

(06:29):
of documents released into EPSTEIN files. Staying on President Trump
for a minute, I don't think we got an opportunity
to talk about this yesterday. But over the weekend, the
Kennedy Center building had Donald Trump's name added to it,

(06:52):
and that's created a lot of controversy. In fact, Ohio
Congresswoman Joyce Batty has filed a federal lawsuit against the
Trump administration alleging that renaming the John F. Kennedy Center
for the Performing Arts to include Trump's name was unlawful. Batty,

(07:13):
who's a board member, claims that the vote was a
sham and that only Congress can legally change the sinner's name.
The suit seeks to have Trump's name declared or have
Trump's name removed and have the renaming declared unlawful. There

(07:37):
it is red. Betty says it was a sham, that
basically the majority of these board members are Donald Trump appointees,
and that they're basically just bending the knee to Donald
Trump by putting his name on the building. And you
know this is right up Donald Trump's alley. This is
this is the type of thing that he loves. It's

(07:57):
it's more of just of his self, a grandizement, having
his name put on buildings, building ballrooms, everything except making
the lives better for the American people. I'm just always
amazed how people are unable to see through this man's

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narcissistic tendencies and just how blatant he is in terms
of trying to prop himself up. But ret Baty says
she ain't gonna sit down for it. She filed the lawsuit,
so we'll see how that turns out. In more local news,

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the Hamilton County Corner released a report suggesting that the
medical data in the Elwood Jones case was incorrect. She
says lab test results, which were the basis for a

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large part of the basis for the case against Jones
being ultimately dismissed when accurate. Doctor Lakshmi Somarco set a
lab report from the time of Rooda Nathan's nineteen ninety
four killing at a Blue Ash hotel showed that Nathan

(09:22):
did not have hepatitis B. Part of the defense part
of Elwood Jones's defense was that if he had attacked
and beaten Rhoda Matthews and killed her the way that
they suggested, that he would have contracted hepatitis B as well,

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and his lab reports showed that while she had it,
he did not, and so that was part of the evidence,
the medical evidence that was used as the basis for
the dismissal of his of his death row conviction. And

(10:05):
now the Hamilton County prosecutor says is saying that Nathan's
lab results showed that she did not have hepatitis B.
Now I think this is interesting. You know, some folks
are saying that the timing and the releasing of this
report is interesting. As we know, Connie Pillage dismissed the

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case with prejudice recently, which was a big decision, a
big news, and of course Joe Dieters came out and
criticized her for that decision and said that Countie Pillage
owed the prosecutors in that case an apology and that
Elwood Jones was a killer flat out stood by his

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prosecution and the evidence, and basically said Connie Pillage did
an injustice by friend Jones. And now a few days
after that, we have the coroner releasing this report now
saying that the victim in the case didn't have hepatitis B.

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And now, of course Jones's attorneys are saying that the
prosecutor or the coroner got it wrong, that the lab
results have never been in dispute, and now all of
a sudden, here you have the coroner releasing this report
saying that the victim didn't have hepatitis B. What do
you think? Do you think this is a political move

(11:36):
by the county corner releasing this result? Do you think
it's a little bit strange? Now, the coroner said that
that part of her reason for releasing this was she
was asked to kind of look into the case by
Prosecutor Pillage, and then that there had been some media requests.
So this is her justification for producing this report that

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she produced today. But what do you think? Is this
just more politics? What do you think about Prosecutor Pillage's
decision to take Elwood Jones off of death row and
dismiss his conviction with prejudice? Was that the right decision?

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You know, Prosecutor Pillage has been in her short tenures prosecutor,
she's had a lot of controversial decisions that she's had
to make. She's made some that haven't gone over well
with a lot of the people who supported and voted
for and now this decision seems to be on the

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other side of the aisle. The challenge with this one
is this, and there's no way around it that if
you're the family of Roda Nathan, obviously you believed or
thought that you had the person who was responsible for

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taking your loved one convicted and in jail and facing
just punishment for the crime, and now you have to
reconcile with that person being released and being declared in
prosecutor Pillages words, innocent of the crime and the tragedy

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in that is, if Elwood Jones is indeed innocent, then
that means that law enforcement, prosecutors, all of those involved
in the case blew it, and that the person who
actually committed this crime likely will never be bought to justice.

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If the opposite is true, if Elwood Jones actually did
do it, and because of prosecutorial misconduct or a lack
of sufficient evidence, he was able to get out, he
was able to get off, then that's a great injustice
and tragedy for the family. So no matter how you

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look at it, whether you believe he did it or
he didn't do it, it's a tragedy, I think all
the way around. And this is why we have to
make sure that in cases like this, that the law
is being followed, that we exhaust every lead and every

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opportunity to make sure that we've got solid cases so
that the right people are brought to justice for crimes
that are committed. But what do you think. We'll get
into those topics and a few others, but right now
we're going to take a quick break and when we
come back, we'll have some phone calls from you and
more conversation about a couple of other topics I want

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to put on the table. This is twelve thirty WDBZ,
the Buzz of Cincinnati. Heelve thirty today. I hope you
have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year. And
before we get back into the conversation, we're gonna go
down to the crime Stopper headquarters this morning and talk

(15:19):
to Detective Todd Green. Detective Green, how you doing this morning?

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Good morning, sir, how are you?

Speaker 4 (15:25):
I'm doing very well. Who we're looking for today?

Speaker 5 (15:28):
We are looking for Cincinnati Police District four looking for
Jeremy Petty John. Mister Petty John is wanted for felony
tampering with evidence, felony drug possession, and misdemeanor drug Paarfernelia.
Jeremy Petty John is a male black, forty years old,
five nine and one hundred and seventy pounds. Jeremy Petty

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John has no known criminal history and was last known
to live on Elkwood Drive in Forest Park, Ohio. Also,
we're looking for Jose Dejzeus. He is wanted by the
Ohio Adult Parole Authority or a felony parole violation. Mister

(16:12):
Dejazeus was originally charged with robbery. Jose Dejazeus is a
male Hispanic fifty five years old, five six and one
hundred and sixty pounds. Jose Dejazeus has a history of
aggravated robbery and assault weapons charges and was last known
to live on Garden Street in the West End. If

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anyone has information on where police can find Jeremy Petty
John or Jose de Hezeus, please call crime Stoppers at
five one three three five two thirty forty or submit
a tip online at crimestoppers dot us.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
All right, Thank you, Detective Green, and I hope you
have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Be
safe out there.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Thank you stirring Merry Christmas to you, all right.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
All right, so there you have it. If you know
anything about Jeremy, Petty John or Jose de Jesus called
three five, two thirty forty day or night cash for
your clues. All right. So we got White Lion on hold,
who's waiting to chime in here on the issues of

(17:21):
the day. But before we get to get to him,
I wanted to talk about one other thing that was
in the news, and I'll be curious to know what
your all thoughts is on this as well. Is that
Pew Research recently did a poll on people's religious beliefs
and church attendants or attendants at worship services, and what

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it found was is that most people do consider themselves
to be religious or believe in God. They also believe
in heaven and Hell. But it also says that they
very seldom attend worship services. They're roughly one in four
people they attend religious services once a week, and half

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said they seldom or never attend. So half the people
who say they believe in God and believe in heaven
or hell. Half of them seldom or never attend church
or religious services, and only about twenty five percent of
people polled said they attend religious services once a week. Now,

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what the polling didn't get into is why those numbers
are what they are. So that's what I'm curious to
know about you today. Are you one of those people
who are in church every Sunday or your worship service
every Sunday, you go to Bible study on Wednesday? Or
are you someone who is a believer who is in
those percentages that seldom or never attend church. And if so,

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I'd love to hear your reasons. Why. All right, we're
gonna go to the phones and we're gonna talk to
white Lion, White Lion. What's going on this morning?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Man?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Hey, did we ever figure out if Trump's related to
Christ yet or not?

Speaker 5 (19:05):
I did you ever get.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Your research on that?

Speaker 6 (19:08):
I don't know anything about you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I think you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
I spent exactly zero percent of my time looking into that.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Yes, well all right.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well so listen, man, do you think all.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
This confusion going on in the city.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Is by design? Like I mean, we sit here at
like one minute, we're mad at Connie, you know, and
like you know, she's not releasing the film on the
riot downtown see and then and then the next minute
she's releasing a dude from prison. Do you think she's
doing that under pressure of like, hey, you got to
score points for the black community because we're the ones

(19:44):
that got you elected. You got to do something that
shows you're for the black people. And now she goes
in there and just randomly picked some dude, Like I mean,
with this report being dropped out about how.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
He didn't have they didn't have what.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Was it hepatitis or something like that. Now, how does
that work?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Man?

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Well, I think that's what you know. Obviously, his attorneys
are pushing back on and they're saying, look, this thing's
been adjudicated many times, and the prosecutors have never come
forth with what the prosecutor is now saying. And in fact,
they're saying that she probably has the report that she's
probably saying doesn't belong to the victim, that it belongs
to Elwood Jones, that his lab test results did show

(20:23):
that he was negative for hepatitis B, but hers was positive.
So his attorneys are maintaining that the report that the
coroner is talking about is Elwood Jones's report and not
the actual report of the victim.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Do you think they'll ever get to the bottom of it?
I mean, how do you make that big of a
clerical error and a case.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
Now, now that doesn't come down to.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
The prosecutor or the anybody that's that's like from the
corner right where they wrote onto the support like, yeah,
like somebody messed up somewhere. Can we agree on that?

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah? And I think, I mean, I think that when
you get down to the heart of the matter, whether
you're talking about the corner of the prosecutors, there seemed
to be although I'm sure Joe Deeters would probably counter this,
but there seems to be sufficient evidence or belief cause
that there were steps, missed, evidence, not shared things in

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the process that made it possible for Elwood Jones's conviction
in this case to be overturned. And that's where I
made the point that it is incumbent upon those who
are in law enforcement, whether that's the detective or the investigators,
who are doing their job to make sure they're following
all the steps and processes so that when you get
to court, you don't lose vital evidence or you don't

(21:41):
withhold you discovering things from the defense that gives you know,
someone an opportunity to come and say they didn't get
a fair trial. Whether you believe Elwood Jones did it
or not, I think there was sufficient evidence to suggest
that not all of the steps that were followed that
at a minute, he deserved another trial.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
But like, this isn't like Wendy, you know what I'm saying,
Like this is like, this is people's lives. Like this
ain't like I forgot your.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Your four piece nugget in your bag.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Whoops. You know what I mean. Like there can't be
no whoopses anymore, you know what I'm saying. But let's
try to tighten that up. So then I sit here
and you know, I want to thank you for my
early Christmas present yesterday by keeping joys to like a
minimum because you know, I sit here and I listen
to this.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Woman get on this radio show crying.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
About Donald Trump making a ballroom. We sit here and
we legit cry about a place being named after Donald Trump.
They legit sound cocaine in the White House when Biden.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
Was in there, and not a peepe not a peep.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
From this woman. But we're gonna sit here and cry
about a ballroom.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
That sheet and Joyce, I hate to break.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
This to you, says, but you're funding this ballroom. Every
time you do your Google search, you funded for this ballroom.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
As you sit here and you.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Be a hypocrite to everybody on the radio station and
have this like God, Holy, you're better. Then you know better,
you're better, Like that's what has pushed people away from
your party. Nobody wants to be scolded and told that
this is the way to think. And you can only
think this way. You really need to stop doing that.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
I mean, cocaine in.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
The White House, Kevin, and we're crying about a ballroom.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
So so let me ask this white line. So I'm
not so I think you make a You make a
good point. Cocaine being found in the White House is
a serious issue. But that also doesn't mean that there's
not a valid conversation about four million dollars being spent
to remodel a ballroom that one you did to a

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historic structure, and and and I and I get that
you're saying, Okay, maybe there are bigger things that we
need to be concerned. Let me, let me, let me,
let me, let me, let me, let me finish. Let
me finish my point, White Lion. You know, last time
you called in, we had this conversation about Snap benefits,
and you had an issue about Snap benefits being given.

(24:09):
And so I guess what I have a problem with
sometimes is people have nothing to say about four million
dollars essentially being wasted on a vanity project for a
ballroom for Donald Trump. Yet we have more of an
issue with people who are struggling and trying to make
ends meet giving them money, you know, to reasonably help Americans.

(24:35):
Who is that ballroom helping other than the rich and
affluent people who already have money who are going to
be coming in that Donald Trump is going to be
hosting there at the White House. Wouldn't you say that
four million dollars could be better spent, even if it's
raised by donors, you know, wouldn't those donors be wouldn't
that money be better spent or contributed to people who

(24:55):
are struggling in this economy and who need those dollars?
You don't think that's a Kevin.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Kevin, the amount of money we donate to communities and
everything like that, and everything's still messed up. Ain't nothing
gonna fix nothing. So then we sit here and we
talk about the Snap benefits. You know, it's one thing
for you to like, okay, cool, like I'm gonna help
you with food and all this out of my tax
money and that. But now when you eat all the
Snickers bars and the ice creams and now you have diabetes,

(25:22):
now I have to also pay for your healthcare.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm not gonna sit here and help you get diabetes
and then turn around and help you fight divy.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
But that's a broad generalization way that that. I mean.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Look, I mean, I think if it was.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
One person, we should be agreeing on that.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
But but see, I think that's the problem is that
folks who get that kind of assistance, they get painted
with the with those types of unfair and inaccurate stereotypes
like just what you just.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Like, I wasn't buying the ritos with my Snap benefits.
You didn't think I wasn't buying Coca Cola. You don't
understand how much money Coca Cola has put into like
the Snap benefits so that we will buy their products.
So we will be poisoned. I mean, come on, man, so.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Now we want to regulate. And this is the thing
that I love about. You know, conservatives, right, you know,
are you a conservative white line? You consider yourself a concern?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Listen, Kevin. I like to think I'm trying to be
in the middle as best as I can. I try
to listen to everybody's side. I want to think that
I understand somebody's point of view. I don't know what
that makes me. I think that, okay here being out,
I think that a woman should be able to get
an abortion if she's raped or molested. I think that,
But like the girl going to the club every weekend

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and just giving it up to everybody.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
You can't get eight abortions because you've done laid on
your back and gave.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
It up all the time.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
Like, that's not a person that can just go out
here and.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Just keep killing baby. So I don't know what that
makes me.

Speaker 6 (26:55):
I don't know what you know what I mean, I
think they're.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
All crooked anymore. We're compromised by Israel. Everything is cooked.
There ain't nobody coming to fix nobody.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
I quit listen to this show for about a month,
and then I came back on and.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
It's still the same old We need to organize.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
It's been the same.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Thing for years. Ain't nothing gonna change. We are being
through into a system. We're getting rob We're being told
by rich people that they need.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
To tax rich people.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Well, why ain't they passing them bills?

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, well don't. I don't disagree with you on that point.
All right, why line, I'm gonna let you go. I
appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I have a good Christmas.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Right, you do the same. All right, We're gonna jump
on the phones. We're gonna take a quick break, and
then when we come back, we're gonna have Jay Wright
and he wants to address some of the comments made
by white Lyon. So when we come back, we'll get
Jay on the phone and more calls from U seven
four nine. Twelve thirty is the number if you want
to get on twelve thirty WDBZ the buzz of Cincinnati

(27:57):
until twelve thirty today, and we're off to a hot start.
White Lyon got it popping. Got a lot of commentary
going on in the chat as well. If you are
listening in on your radio, you can also find us
on Facebook Live. Encourage you to go there and you

(28:18):
can join in the conversation. All right, We're going to
go to the phones, and we got Jay Wright, who's
been waiting patiently. Jay, what's on your mind this morning?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Kevin Alrich, thank you sir for being in the studio.
I really want to appreciate. I appreciate you being there,
and I want to say, that's why get into my
my little speel on that that that your last caller.
I want to say, Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, E and Kevin?
Which one is it?

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (28:47):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Which one is the most appropriate? Are policy correct? Is
it happy Holidays? Is it Merry Christmas?

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Brother? I say Mary Christmas and happy Holidays? But I
you know this, this is Christmas, So I say Mary Christmas, right.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Because it only comes around once a year, right, right,
And we've been celebrating this for a long time, whether
we knew all the engine outs of it. So, but nonetheless,
again I want to say happy Holo America all the listeners.
This is my father, one of the greatest shows there
is on earth. So I'm really proud, really happy to
be a part of it. The white Lions are the

(29:21):
white liars you're dealing with the five time draft dogs
that's currently the commander in chief.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Mh.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
You might as go leave Joyce alone because we would
much prefer to hear what Joyce has to say and
anything that comes from you. You are my dummy of
the year, self appointed. You've appointed yourself to be the
dummy the year because of the dumb things you say
when you call the show. If you're concerned about the
cocaine that was founding the White House under Biden, you

(29:53):
better be more concerned about the cocaine that may be
found on those all those ships that be blown up.
Where's that cocaine mat you know where that is? That
should be your concern because I'm willing to bet you
that's if they if they have, if they took the cocaine,
it's far more than what was filed in the White House.

(30:14):
That should be your concern. Just recently, the same man
that's your commander and the comedian in chief just recently
pardon the Honduria's the guy from Hondors. That guy was
a joke smuggler. I mean, he don't with all kind
of cocaines. So is that not a problem for you,

(30:34):
white lion? A white man's recently, we had a long gunment,
killed two soldiers in Syria. I am retired on the
AC spent twenty three years, eight month, thirteen days to
combat tours. I have to say we had a long
gun and killed two soldiers in Syria recently. Two days later,

(30:56):
this heap type guy and dump and and I call
him down because I won't ever use the name Trump,
because that's a brand, that's a marketing name, that's a brand.
He has a brand in that name Trump, right, so
I like to call him down, just uncomfortable. Right. But
two days later in Syria we blew up somewhat ice
and stuff and said that we were we went in

(31:20):
there because we weren't. We're going to destroy the Islamic state.
And two days white man, where does it get the
intelligence to know where to blow up? Two days later
alone gunment, not an army of folks, a long gunment.
They said he was an iSER sympathizer. They went in
two days later and grew up whatever at least made

(31:40):
us believe that they did all this. Does he really
know is evenly paying attention to us. He's just trying
to satisfy himself with these little calling the show and
think he's aggravating us or agitating us. It's not working,
and the bigger issues, they are bigger issues. You'rebsolutely right, Kevin.

(32:03):
This is again thank you for being there. But this
dude needs some checks and balances. And I would have
loved to talk to him. I would have loved for
him to have stayed on the show long enough for
me to ask him some questions that I know would
make him uncomfortable, because I believe he is the same
man that's getting his information from the station. I paid

(32:26):
nine hundred billion dollars to tell lies. They paid nine
hundred million to tell lies. So if that's where you're
getting your.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Information from anybody in relations and anybody.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
In that area, then you're the problem, white man, not us.
You are the problem. You are delusional and you're you
have decided to fall for whatever they're selling you. Kevin,
Verry Christmas to your brother, and you're there man, and
uh Taryce Howell my favorite life can African Americans. That's

(32:58):
my dude, and you all all the listeners.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
All right, thank you, Jay, Merry Christmas to you two.
All right. That was Jay there who who said a lot.
And I think that you know I was telling some
folks this, and the chat is that, you know, the
counterbalance to to white line if you don't like what
he has to say is all of you, the callers.
You know, you guys come in and this is where
we have the debate and the conversation and the checks

(33:26):
and balances are are you the callers as as Jay
just did, called in set the record, strate said what
he had to say. That's what that's what good debate
should be about. The unfortunate thing is, you know, sometimes
in these platforms like this, you don't have the amount
of time that that it takes to kind of dissect
and and uh take apart. You know a lot of

(33:49):
these argument, arguments and conversations in a couple of minutes
kind of difficult to do in a format like this
unless you're going to have an hour hour or so
dedicated to a particular topic or a couple of different callers.
And so I certainly wish we had more time to
dissect each and every point that every caller brings to

(34:11):
the table here, because I think there's some good, good
points of conversation. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break,
and when we come back, we got Rod and Ray
on the line. Uh, seven, four, nine, twelve thirty is
the number if you want to get in on the conversation,
and we hope that you will. This is the Lincoln
Where Show until twelve thirty today on WDBZ The Buzz

(34:32):
of Cincinnati until twelve thirty. All right, we're gonna go
back to the phones. We've got Rod and Ray who've
been waiting on Hold? Rod, what's on your mind this morning?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (34:44):
What's going on? Kevin?

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Hey, I'm doing good. How about yourself?

Speaker 8 (34:46):
All right?

Speaker 7 (34:47):
Yeah, I talked to you once or twice I think before, Yes, sir, yeah, okay, yeah,
I gonna work, but I just took some time out
to allow you and put my two cents in, you know,
on some the topics.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I guess a couple of things.

Speaker 7 (35:02):
But anyway, I want to say about Trump. This guy man, Now,
it's when when January the sixth happened. When that happened,
right away, I knew, I told myself, this guy here
can get away with anything, because on January sixth, I mean,
people died and he never had he was never held

(35:23):
accountable for that. You know, people, people lost their lives,
People broke the law, he knew that those that there
were some people who were armed, and that they were
going down to the Capitol. He knew they were armed,
and he told him to go down there anyway. He
told him, you know, he it was his suggestion. He

(35:43):
said he was gonna meet him down there, and he did,
and he faked him out. He lied. So why is
it when when he wouldn't when he didn't get held
accountable for that. Right away, I told myself, this guy
can get away with murder because that was just pure murder.
I mean, they try to say that the guy that
shot the girl. Uh, they keep trying to say, this guy,

(36:06):
you know, committed murder by shooting that girl that tried
to break in the White House when she was forcing
the way in that that black security guard shot her
and killed her. And they keep saying, you murdered her.
But he had He was just doing his job. And
all those people who was attacking those police officers, they
didn't get shot, but in all reality, they could have
got shot because I just think that you know, those people,

(36:30):
those police officers bent over backwards and for some reason,
there was no national guards, nothing called in or you know,
no backup or nothing for some reason, you know, and Trump,
and Trump had a lot to do with that, but
he was never held accountable for those crimes committing committed
on that day, including murder or or the deaths of

(36:51):
those people. Those five officers who worked for the Capitol
who died, they also died they got killed or they
died like the next day. And then some of them
can even committed suicide.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
You know.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
But I want to say this also, Kevin, this Trump guy, Okay,
so when he got away with that, okay, he subtly
killed people. He also subtly killed people when it come
to COVID. When it came to COVID, he lied about COVID.
That's another way he killed people. Now he's just outright
killing people. I mean, he's just bombing boats. And you

(37:25):
know his next move is to bomb Venezuela itself. You know,
he's just outright murdering now. Just you know, he was
doing it real subtly first. Now he's just doing it outright,
you know, and nobody's stopping it.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Nobody.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
I think him and the Supreme Court, they.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
All need to just line up and.

Speaker 9 (37:44):
Go to prison, all of them.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
I don't know about everybody in the Supreme Court. But
the ones who keep backing up everything Trump say, I
think they all need to just go to prison, all
of them. And this this Epsteain thing, I know, you
ain't got that much time. I just want to hurt him,
squeeze in it. I'm gonna work, you know, And I
just wanted to squeeze that in real quick, if you

(38:07):
don't mind.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Here, Yeah, hurry up.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
Okay, the Epsteain thing. Now, it's obvious that you know
that they're trying to hide something, and I think Trump
is the one they're trying to protect. You know, this
guy man should be you know, arrested for that. Also.
I think I don't know why, you know, they just
keep making excuses of why they want bring the files
out and everything and then let everybody see the files.

(38:32):
I think this guy is trying to cover up something,
and I truly believe that. You know, it ain't just him,
but it's mainly he's one of the main ones who
had the money and who was probably financing that stuff,
you know.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, well that's just yeah, okay, all right, well, Rod, listen,
thanks for the call. I'm going to respond to some
of the things that you said. I appreciate you. Merry Christmas, sure.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Mary, Christmas to YouTube and a happy New Year.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
All right, yeah, I mean Rod raises you know a
lot of points. Let me first just address the January sixth. Now,
we are all familiar with Donald Trump saying that he
could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and he wouldn't lose
any support. And I think we've come to realize over
the last decade how accurate he was in that assessment.

(39:17):
Because there's not much that Donald Trump can do that
MAGA will hold him accountable for. As for January sixth,
and I always like to tell people to go back,
you know, put yourself back in that day and in
that moment as we were all watching the television footage
and as things unfolded, you could not deny what was

(39:44):
happening and who was responsible for what was happening, the
horror of everything that was happening. And I challenge you
to go back and look at what everybody was saying
at that time, even the Republican politicians. You know, remember
Lindsey Graham standing up on the on the floor after
after everything had settled down, and how he was done

(40:06):
with Donald Trump. And this was a bridge too far
and and and just all of the things that that
people said, Rob Portman here locally, you know, condemning you know,
Trump and his lack of reaction and leadership and all
of these other different things, and and and it was
very clear on January sixth and the subsequent days immediately

(40:27):
after that, that it was clear everybody knew what they
saw and the verdict was clear. What what what conservatives
and and and Trump supporters did and and largely aided
by Fox News, what they did over the course of
the next year was reshaped that narrative to try to

(40:49):
convince people. And Donald Trump is very good at this
that what you saw and what you heard wasn't what
you saw and what you heard. He does this repeatedly.
He'll say something and then he'll come back and say
I didn't say that. Even when you go you got
the video evidence and the tape in the audio, he'll
deny it and they'll change the narrative. And that's what

(41:10):
is so maddening. As people knew. You know, I talked
to conservatives in the aftermath of at who who swore
off Trump? I'm done with him. I think there's a
local radio host that said the same thing. And y'all
know who I'm talking about. Swore off Donald Trump, and
yet those same people turned around and voted for him

(41:33):
in this last election. And that is just some of
what is unconscionable about kind of where we are. You
know that this is a bad dude. You know what
he's done and what he's capable of, and yet people
are still throwing their support behind him, defending him. And

(41:54):
you know, I just wonder how you reconcile that in
your soul and in your spirit. All Right, we're gonna
take a quick break and when we come back, we're
gonna have a conversation with Ray. Seven four nine, twelve
thirty is the number if you want to get on
the call. This is twelve thirty WDBZ. The Lincoln were
show until twelve thirty. Lincoln Ware wishing everybody within the

(42:18):
sound of my voice a merry Christmas. All right, we're
going to head back to the phone lines. We got Ray.
Who's been waiting? Ray? What's on your mind this morning?

Speaker 3 (42:28):
What's up? Kevin?

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Hey, I'm doing good? How about yourself?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
You know what, Lincoln, don't mind us talking about Connie
hem so you know, I'll say.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
It Okay, there you go, you do that, he let us.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Call out his name. Okyo, But Kevin went and when
when people realize that white folks, black Republicans, and Maga Republicans,
they were rather vote for a dirty white guy who's
a crook, and it was charged with, you know, convicted
on thirty four counts over a black woman who's much
more qualified. Uh. You know, it's it's it's it's racist.

(43:03):
You know, it's racism. So people just need to realize that.
But a couple of things, you know, uh, like lyon
he is irrelevant, he's maga. You know, have you ever
gone toe to toe with a maga Republican and came
out the winner? Has never convinced a maga you mean mine?

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Oh you mean you don't mean on the substance of facts,
you mean in terms of convincing them or changing right? No?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
No, okay, so you you will never win when you
when you're talking to a mega. But yeah, I'm going
back to yesterday because they're the guy we were talking
about the aggregation. That's uh uh. And then a guy
called after me and said, you know, I was contradicting myself.
Let me educate this one guy aggregation is voted farm
by the city, right, Yes, okay, people go into the

(43:52):
boost and they vote for it has nothing to do
with this guy said, he called Duke yesterday. Do get
had to do it, you know. But everybody gets a
letter and said if you want to opt out, you
can opt out. It's just playing this day. They give
you the phone number, you know, and it's not five, ten,

(44:13):
twelve pages, it's one letter, you know, and you call
that number say I don't want it, and then they'll
take you off of it. My only issue with the
aggregation thing is I shouldn't have to be able to
opt out of anything. That's almost like you going for
you going in for all change. You go to tire discounts, Well,
we give you all change, but we're going to do
a break job. But if you don't want to break job,

(44:35):
you got to tell us before we do the all change.

Speaker 7 (44:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
It's just just basically that's something we should be able
to opt in.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, I agree with you, right, Yeah, no, that you're
You're exactly right. The I always think about those opt
out things. It's sort of like when you take that
free seven day trial and they tell you, you know, for
whatever it is that you sign up for. They say
you got seven days, you know, for the free trial,
but you got to go in and cancel, and if

(45:02):
you don't go in and cancel, then it automatically builds
your credit card or whatever like that. They set it
up that way, I think because what they sort of
count on, and this happens more times than not, is
that you'll get busy and you'll forget, and then after
that seven days or thirty days, whatever it is, you
will only remember it when you see that charge show

(45:23):
up on your credit card or in your bank account
for the first time you go, oh, man, I forgot
to call in and cancel that. I feel like that
opt out is kind of similar to that versus the
opt in, Right, It's almost you don't want to go
so far. Some people will. I won't to go so
far as to say it's a way to trick you
into into doing something that you might not want to do.

(45:46):
But I agree with you. I think a better way
to do it is let the people vote on it,
and then if it becomes eligible, then what you say
is if you want this, then you have to take
the step to go ask for it to do it.
Instead of being automatically it on it and then saying
you don't want it, so I agree with you on right.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
It's almost like it's almost like it's backwards.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
You ever, if you ever get cable, they give you
this great deal for a year, and if you don't
call and say well remove it after after the year,
now you you're still gonna keep paying for it because
now you're used to it. Yeah, you know, there's no
different than one last thing. Joe, uh, you talked about
the Rodham family. I think am I getting a name right?

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Nathan is their last name.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Her name was rode to Nathan. Now now this family,
they're more upset that the charges can never be brought
against Elwood Jones than to be upset with deaders who
with held evidence that's kind of half passed backwards. I
would be pissed off at deaters. Now, you know, you

(46:48):
with held evidence from an innocent guy where where the
real killer is probably dead and gone, and you could
have had the real killer in jail. But JADUs would
rather have a black man, you know, pay for something
that he didn't do, just to get to win. And
that family, you know, I pray for their family and
they'll probably never get justice. That kill us probably long gone.

(47:13):
But their focus should have been on deaders, you know,
even after everything came out. Yeah, you know, you know.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
But no, And I'll say this as quickly as I can,
and I'll let you kind of respond for it, and
then we'll let you go, you know, in a weird way.
I don't I don't blame the family for feeling any
kind of way, because you kind of got to put
yourselves in their shoes. You trust the legal and the
judicial process to do what it is. And I'm sure

(47:43):
that they were being told by the prosecutors and everybody
else that they had their man and had convinced them
for however many years since nineteen ninety four, that this
was their guy. And so when you kind of buy
into that and you believe that as a family, and
Joe Dieters in back and down off of that, he's
not even he's not even acknowledging this, this notion of

(48:06):
the evidence being withheld. I mean, if you looked at
his comments that he's made in the media, he says,
he's saying that that's not true, that they didn't you know,
that they didn't withhold anything.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
So Joe did that on Cunningham So everybody he said
that on Cunningham Show.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Yeah, so he did.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
He said, we withheld evidence because it wouldn't have made
a difference to the jury. You go back and listen
to the tape. He actually said that.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Yeah, so he's sticking to his guns. And if you
are a member of that family and you've invested, like
I think, it's hard. I really do. I think it's
hard for you to divorce yourself from something that you've
believed for a couple of decades, because, like I said,
it's a tragedy for them one way or the other.

(48:49):
It's it's a tragedy that if if Elwood Jones is
actually guilty and he got off because of missteps in
the process or whatever, that's a tragedy. It's also a
tragedy that that if he didn't do it, and they
didn't do their due diligence in searching for the right
person and just relied on circumstantial evidence and a lot
of other things. The people I'm least mad at in

(49:12):
this entire situation, I think is the family, because they
are ultimately the victim, and one way or the other,
and Elwood Jones certainly is is if he didn't do it.
So it's one of those things where I said, this
is why when we are critical of police and prosecutors

(49:32):
in the court system, it's not because we don't support them.
It's because you understand the importance of good process, good
police work, and how important that is to truly getting justice.
Because when you get it wrong, this is what you're
left with.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah, Broke, I'll leave you with this, and I want
your opinion on it. While Republicans so obsessed with Epstein?

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Are they so obsessed with Epstein?

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Why do they want to see these all this information
come out? Because Trump Trump Trump. No matter everything that
Trump has done, he's a racist, he was a rapist,
he was convicted on sexual assault and on thirty four accounts,
and they still supporting. So what is it about the
Epstein file that has Republicans so obsessed?

Speaker 4 (50:25):
All right, Ray, I'm gonna I'm gonna answer your question.
I'm gonna let you go and then I'm gonna answer
your question. You can listen off air, all right, have
a merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
All right, you too, though, So here's.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
What I think is and I'm not saying that this
is right or justification. But I think because you're talking
about young girls and maybe even the cases, you know,
I don't know if it's I don't know if it's
kids or what level of how young exactly these young
women were that are involved in this, But I think

(50:55):
the age of the victims, Wow, that shouldn't matter any
more than the women that Donald Trump was accused of
of of assaulting and in some cases found not criminally liable.
But I believe civilly lible convicted of those things, the

(51:16):
aide shouldn't matter, But in this case, I think it does.
I think that's why so many MAGA folks and conservatives
were were infatuated with the Epstein files. I think the
other reason is is because they assumed that a lot
of Democrats were going to be the victim or we're
going to be participants in this like that. That was

(51:37):
part of it. Is they were anxious to get to
the victim's list because there was a there was kind
of a partisan tinge to it that they thought that
there were going to be a lot of democratic politicians,
maybe Hollywood types who tend to be liberal, who were
going to be on that Epstein list. And that's what
they were they were interested in. And I think that's

(51:58):
why you saw this in the initial release of information
that you know, the d O Trump's DLJ was trying
to push out these these photos and images of Bill
Clinton because that that played into the narrative that I
think what many conservatives kind of expected or thought that
they would get out of the Epstein files, that you
would get the Bill Clinton's and maybe some other high

(52:18):
profile Democrats or liberals who would be on that list.
I tend to think that, you know, you're going to
see a lot of wealthy people Democrats and Republicans and
and and of no stripes who were going to get
caught up in in the Epstein files if we ever,
you know, do get a list of those who were
participating in in that. But but to answer your question,

(52:41):
I think that's that's why they were super energized to
get the Epstein files released and and see what's in there.
And of course we know, you know, Trump has had
had a long time friendship and relationship with Epstein, and
and there's no doubt that you know, he was very
concerned about what was in there on him. And even

(53:03):
if it wasn't any something concrete that showed that he
was directly involved, that there were probably gonna be some
things in there that at least made him look bad
or you know, drew some questions that you could kind
of tag onto him. So there's there's no doubt that
he's protecting whether it's himself or somebody close to him,
or people that he knows who are in power. That

(53:25):
much is evident in terms of how they're dragging their feet.
All right, we're going to take a quick break and
when we come back, we got Bill on the line.
We're going to get to him and more calls from
U seven four nine to twelve thirty is the number
to call if you want to get on board. We
got about an hour and fifteen minutes left in the
show today, so make sure you get it in before

(53:47):
the Christmas holiday. Twelve thirty WDBZ the Buzz of Cincinnati.
There sitting in for Lincoln, where we got about an
hour left today. Louisville football coming on on at twelve thirty. Man.
There's a lot of football coming up over the next
three or four days. College football, NFL. We're in that

(54:09):
time of year, college football playoffs. Who you got into
college football playoffs? We got buck Eye fans, Roll Tide fans,
Indiana Hoo's your fans. I'm kind of torn because I
think Ohio State plays Miami in the next round. And

(54:31):
I'm a Buckeyes fan, you know, kind of always have been.
But when I was a kid, I grew I loved
the Hurricanes, loved the U when I was coming up.
That's when they had, you know, Michael Irvin and the
Jimmy Johnson era, and when they were winning all those
national championships and they were kind of the the rough

(54:52):
and tumble squad. You remember when them and Notre Dame
had the rivalry going on. I think ESPN and did
a thirty for thirty special that they they titled Catholics
Versus Convicts. I think they came up with that because somebody,
Notre Dame guy, made some T shirts one year that

(55:14):
had that on it. There was a whole documentary about that.
But yeah, I love the U. So I'm a little
bit torn, you know, on that particular game. I guess
I guess I can't really lose one way or the
other no matter who comes out. I'd be okay with it.
But if I had to put my money on somewhere.
I'm gonna roll with the buck eyes. All right, We're

(55:36):
gonna go back to the phones, and we got Bill,
who's been waiting patiently. Bill, what's on your mind?

Speaker 8 (55:42):
Good afternoon, mister average Aldridge. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Hey, listen, Bill. I only did that because because Terrence
told me that I had to correct people when they
come on and mispronounce my name, So I just had
to do that for the real Terrence. Get a right,
Bill that Gunnet.

Speaker 8 (56:02):
Yes, sir, absolutely. I just want to give how much
to mister ware for taking some well deserved time off
my Sunday Soul Classic request right now is Barry White.
Your sweetness is my weakness. If he's doing Sunday Soul
Classic Sunday and Terrence, my request for you is Alexander

(56:28):
O'Neill's fake. I want to say that it is really, really,
really disturbing of the fact that I'm hearing that Donald
Trump is hosting the Kennedy Honorey Kennedy Center Honorey. Now,
what does he know anything about any of these artists

(56:51):
or these actors you know in the industry. He spends
so much time damaging the world and everything with the
economy the way it is, and it's just disgusting to
just see his face everywhere and next thing, you know,
he'd be hosting the Grammy. Next thing, you know, he'll

(57:12):
be doing something else. For seeing his move you know,
all over the nature and it's just disturbing, it really is.
As far as Epstein is concerned, you know, he's just
another individual man that just his marbles are just gone upstairs.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Man.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
But you know, I'm just gonna give homage two people like.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
I was rawly.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
And I forgot his name whatever, But these people are
doing their job and everything, and it's just great that
Twin is not on the station. It is really really,
really really.

Speaker 9 (58:00):
H refreshing and hearing.

Speaker 8 (58:03):
Curtis well yesterday, I tell you the truth made my
stomach sick. But you know him, Miss Doldrich, Hey, you
keep up doing the good work man. Okay, Misaware, Hey,
you enjoy that well deserved time off. And then miss
where Hey, take.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Care all right, Bill, Merry Christmas to you. All right, Yes,
Lincoln where taking some well deserved vacation time. And uh,
you know, I always say, we don't know what we
got until we don't have it, And Lincoln is an
incredibly important part of this community and steering and driving

(58:46):
the conversation and and the way that he does it,
in the manner in which he does it. And I know,
I know some of the callers, Uh get mad at Lincoln.
He don't give me enough time to don't you don't
let me say what I want to say many from
but I think Lincoln does an incredibly good job. This
is a hard seed to sit in. I've said it,
you know, I've done this now probably about five or

(59:08):
six times. And it's not as easy as it as
it looks, as it seems off hand if you're just listening.
And so Lincoln is the ultimate pro and so he
deserves to have a little bit of time to recharge
and refresh and come back strong for y'all after the holidays.
All right, we're gonna go to Stevie. Oh, who wants

(59:29):
to talk about the Epstein files. Stevie, what's going on?

Speaker 10 (59:33):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Brother?

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Good? How are you?

Speaker 10 (59:36):
I'm great, I'm great. I just want to send a
quick shout out to my sisters JB, Beverly and Linda,
but my partner Jeff. But this is one of the
times where you see the hypocrisy of the America. We
claim that we love children and we want to protect them,
but just right here is just you know, it's it

(01:00:00):
blows up in the face that we you know, that
we cherished the kids like we say we do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Because.

Speaker 10 (01:00:09):
They've been covering this up for since two thousand and eight,
when I guess when Acosta gave him the sweetheart deal.

Speaker 7 (01:00:20):
But I think right.

Speaker 10 (01:00:22):
Now Trump know he can't stop it. It's coming out,
whether he wanted to or not. So he's doing everything
to distract us with this fake Venezuela war. Now he's
trying to talk trash about Columbia and all of that.
So those who supported him, I hope you was wishing
for this, because this is what you got. A guy

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that's demented and out of control. And I'm just wondering.
I don't know if you've seen Dave Advance yesterday with
his rally looked like a white supremacy rally, and of
all people, Nicki Mina show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Up to that.

Speaker 10 (01:00:58):
So we got a one where she's at I mean,
she needs to be ostracized from the community because she
already got a pedophile in her life. So it's just misdirected.
I don't know what you want to call him, but
people just had a tune and out of touch with
what's really going on when they put that man back

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in office, because he truly is. It's like he hate America.
But anyway, that's how I got my brother doing a
great job. And I'll be hollering aaid next time I
see you on that brother.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
All right, Stevie, take care of America Christmas? All right? Yeah,
I think you know Stevie oh said it seems like
Donald Trump's hate hates America, don't I don't know that
Donald Trump hates America. I think he loves himself more
than anything. And that's the thing about Donald Trump, is

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he is. I think it was, you know. Susie Wilds's
chief of staff said sheking Donald trump behavior to that
of an alcoholic. I don't know if you saw her
comments along those lines, but she actually said this about
Donald Trump. She says Donald Trump's behavior is reminiscent of
that of an alcoholic, sort of saying that that Donald

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Trump is drunk with power, that he's he's obsessed with
with the power that he wields and getting leverage over
people and and and that's what that's what excites him,
that's what that's what sets him off, is this notion
that he's got all this power and that he can
lord it over people and just kind of frankly do
whatever he wants to do. And and he's kind of

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drunk off of that. And and you know, Donald Trump
has always been someone who was a very self important person,
who always wanted his name in the paper and and
and in entertainment, and he wanted the respect of so
many people that he couldn't get it from, whether that's Hollywood,
whether that's in the NFL, or in the sports industry.

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And so now that he had as the power and
the influence to be able to get his retribution and
his revenge, so to speak, that is exactly what he's doing.
It's not that he hates America. It's that he does
hate certain people, he does hate certain groups, and he
certainly loves himself. And I think you see that in

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every decision that Donald Trump makes. All Right, we're gonna
take a quick break, and when we come back, we're
gonna head into the final hour of our show, twelve
thirty WDBZ. This is the Lincoln Where show. The Buzz
of Cincinnati, your talk station. Kevin Aldrich sitting in for

(01:03:41):
Lincoln Where today and we've been having a good conversation. Today.
We talked about the Epstein files. We talked about Donald
Trump putting his name on the Kennedy Center. We've talked
about the Corner releasing the autopsy report. It kind of

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goes against the grain and the l with Jones case.
So we've been covering a variety of topics. But we're
going to go back to the phones now and we're
going to go to miss Netty. Miss Netty, how we doing?
You know, usually you kick off the show.

Speaker 11 (01:04:14):
I know, but I've been listening. Okay, all right, all right,
Greeting to you from Lincoln Heights, and to you Kevin Alridge,
the Reverend, Reverend Kevin Alrich, and to the real Terrence Howard.
I just could not well, I try to pull myself

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away from the phone, but I just had to say
hello to everyone, and thank you for calling, and Kevin,
Reverend Kevin Aulriche, thank you for filling them for Lincoln
and his beautiful bride chearing Okay, yes, ma'am, And I
just want to say hello and happy holidays to everybody,

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whether it be Christmas or whether it be Hunakah, whatever
you're celebrating, go.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
Head on, do it, Miss Natty.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Now, I'm gonna get in trouble if I don't do this.
So my wife specifically told me yesterday when I got
off the air, she says, the next time that Miss
Netty calls you, let Miss Natty know that I love
Miss Nattie. Okay, and she would appreciate a shout out
from Miss Natty. So my wife's name, Yes, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 11 (01:05:32):
How you're doing, young lady, and you your husband is
doing a wonderful job. Okay, all right, I think you
less and beautiful holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Okay, you do the same, Miss Nattie, take care of
all right. All right, that was Miss Natty Terrence. My
mission is done. I'm gonna have a good day at
home today. When I get home from the radio station, listen,
I expect dinner to be on the stove, hot, and
who knows whatever else later on this evening. This ought

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to be Kevin Aldry's delight. When I get home, I
mission accomplished. I delivered on what I was asked to do.
My wife got to shout out from Miss Nettie. I
hope she's listening. I hope she got that. I'll be
home in about an hour and a half and I'm hungry,

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and I'm hoping that it'll be piping hot with a
nice cold beverage, waiting on the trade table, in front
of the TV, with my favorite show on, maybe some
house shoes, a nice robe, maybe even draw a warm
shower ready for me when I get home. We'll see,

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we'll see if all of that happens. I'll let you
all know the next time I feel in for Lincoln
what my reward was for the Miss Netty shout out today.
Y'all pray for me, all right, Keeping it going, keeping
the conversation going. We've been talking a lot about Donald

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Trump today, But did you see this that Mike Pence
has gotten a lot of members of the Heritage Foundation.
And if you know anything about the Heritage Foundation, the
Heritage Foundation has been a long time think tank of
conservative politics. They, for lack of a better term, have

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been the intellectual arm of the conservative movement and the
Republican Party for a long time. And it seems like
there's a split there now where Mike Pence has gotten
a lot of folks who are affiliated with the Heritage
Foundation to leave that organization, and it looks like there

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could be a potentially a fight brewing within the party
post Donald Trump. So you've got your MAGA part of
the party, which it seems like JD. Vance. We talked
about him staking his claim or attempting or positioning himself

(01:08:26):
to stake his claim to that portion of the party,
and what he said over the weekend at the Turning
Point USA convention. You know, he's making a play for
the magabase, trying to follow in the same footsteps and
the rude, crude behavior of Donald Trump, if you missed it,

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there were some people who were apparently critical of his wife,
and he told them to eat you know what. This
is what our presidential leader, our leaders, our president and
vice president. This is the kind of language that they use,
telling people to eat you know what. And that's become

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acceptable now, Like could you imagine if Barack Obama had
said that to some of his haters what the response
would be in conservative world if Barack Obama had told
them to eat you know what because of the things
they had said about Michelle Obama and they said some stuff, Oh,

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they said some stuff. About Michelle Obama, and JD. Vance
is getting a little bit of that because his wife
is of a certain ethnicity, so they're catching some of
that racial hate, you know, that the Obamas were subjected to,

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And this is how he talks, and so he's talking
that way because he's trying to position himself to take
that place Trump's place in the MAGA movement. But I've
said this many times, you can't emulate and duplicate Donald
Trump because Donald Trump, for whatever reason, is able to

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survive what would destroy any other politician. It defies explanation.
But you got a whole lot of other politicians out
there who try to be Donald Trump light or Donald
Trump clones, and it never quite works for them the
same way it does for him. And it's not gonna
work for JD. Vans because that's not really who JD

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Vance is. You know, we got to go back and
remember how JD Vance talked about Donald Trump before he
decided to become an opportunist and try to lean into
at for his own political elevation. He once called Donald
Trump Hitler, said he was worse than a particular drug.

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He spoke the truth about Donald Trump. But somewhere along
the lines he is somewhere along the way, he switched
up and suddenly he wanted you this. I think, what
is he a Yale? Is he a Yeale or Harvard graduated?
He graduated from one of those Ivy League schools. This
Ivy League graduate wants you to believe that, somehow or another,

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those things he said about Donald Trump he said because
he was food by the media. This smart, intelligent author, entrepreneur,
Silicon Valley transplant wants you to believe that he was

(01:11:52):
dumb enough to be fooled by the media about Donald Trump.
So it's gonna be interesting to see how things go.
You know, a lot of people left Mike Pence for
dead politically. He was almost left for dead literally on
January sixth, if Donald Trump had had his way. But

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a lot of folks thought that that Mike Pence was done.
And it's interesting with this move, is he trying to
position himself to be an alternative for what might ultimately
be a JD. Vance Maga run in twenty twenty eight.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in Republican politics

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over these next couple of years post Trumps as he
heads into and many think he's already in lame duck status.
All right, let's go to the phone lines right now.
We're gonna hear from Mean and Mean wants to talk
about Elwood, Jones, Trump and religion. Mean, what's going on?

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
Well, good morning, brother al Rich.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Good? How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:12:58):
Extremely blessed over and above.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
All? Right, let's let's let's cover your topics. Uh, and
what I'm what I might have to do. Mean, in fact,
this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put you
on whole, Meme because we're up against the break, And
when we come out of the break, I'm gonna put
you back on because I don't wanna. I don't want
to rush you through your call. So we're gonna take
a quick break, and when we come back, we're gonna
talk to Meme and Uh, also al who's on hold?

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And other calls. Twelve thirty w DBZ The Buzz of
Cincinnati their show Kevin Aldre sitting in for Lincoln until
twelve thirty Today. One of my favorite Christmas songs. This Christmas,
I'm not gonna entertain you all with my singing voice today. Uh,

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maybe after a few more shows, I'll bless y'all with
the vocal tones of Reverend allreach. But y'all ain't ready
for that yet. You know, my pastor and my church
told me. He told me I'm not allowed to sing
it church. Not not because I got a good voice, Terrence,
but because he said that I should just never sing period.

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That my voice is it is so bad. Now, this
is a pastor where the scripture says just make a
joyful noise. He told me not to even make a
joyful noise because my voice is that bad. All right, y'all,
we're gonna go back to the phones. We're gonna go
back to Meme, who we put on hold right before
the break. Meme. I wanted to make sure I gave

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you time to get on all your points and I
rush you, brothers, So what do you want to talk about?
I see you got elwid Jones on the on the menu.

Speaker 9 (01:14:36):
Well, I'm laughing right now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
You gotta give me.

Speaker 9 (01:14:39):
I'm a musician and you just have me laughing about
what your pastor is your pastor really tell you that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
He absolutely did. So we're good friends. He's he's a
good friend and a spiritual mentor. So we we have fun.
But he absolutely He absolutely told me that. He said
that I'm not allowed to sing in service, that my
voice is that bad.

Speaker 9 (01:15:02):
But you use the word, you quote a scripture, make
a joyful noise, and did not say nothing about making
a melodious melody.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
That was my point. That was my point.

Speaker 9 (01:15:13):
Maybe your point is correct now, I know I wanted
to touch on brother l would but see you also
you had mentioned something about people not going to church
or people whatever early when we first came on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
Yeah. Yeah, so there was a poll. Let me let
me set it for you and then you can respond
just in case this this helps. But I think it
was the Oh my goodness, I can't remember the polling agency. Now,
well that's the gallop I think did the did the
poll and pretty much said that most almost everybody believes

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in God or has some form of spirituality. They believe
in heaven and hell, but half people sell them. Half
of people seldom go to church, and some never attend
at all, and only about twenty five percent go to
church service once a week. So that was that was
the table set on that. And so my question was

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what the poll didn't reveal was why people had those attitudes.
So the question that I put out there was you know,
for those folks who believe but don't go to church service,
Why is that the case?

Speaker 9 (01:16:22):
Well, I can only speak from personal experiences. Like my
name means, that's not what mom named me, that's what
the Lord named me. That's right out of PalmOne nineteen.
That's ninety seven through one oh four, if you want
to check into it. But Scripture also tells us that,
well two Timothy chapter three speaks volumes as to the

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times we're in it. Most people are not looking at
the big picture. We're in the midst of prophecy. That's
why things are happening in the government, in the world
and here in the local area. There's been a lot
of corruption done that must be rectified. Brother Elwood Jones,
I told Lincoln when he called in on site, because

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I really am a man a god, and I can
tell you something. I've yet to meet another meet, not
a clone. But what I mean is this, I meet
a lot of people that claim to believe. I've even
met like chaplains and pastors that don't know Scripture. I
once saw a senior who had looked like he had

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a lamb on his head. His hair was so white
and I'm thinking I'm going to yoke up to a
senior saint that can help me along the way, only
for him to tell me he hasn't been in the
word like he should. And I've been finding out that's
what a lot of people have. They haven't been going
by the word because they don't believe it. Because like yesterday,
when the person mentioned the King James, I think in

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the Ethiopian Bible. Well, in my study, in research, I
found out that the King James Bible came straight out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Of the Ethiopian title.

Speaker 9 (01:18:00):
But because we don't have eighty some books, they think
that something's wrong. Well, it's just like with when I
heard him talk about race yesterday, I told him, can
this too before to have an effective life, sprinkle a
little truth on it. There's only one race to human race.
But because our creator loves variety, that's why you have
different peoples. And when it even comes down to his name,

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there's different people, many tongues, languages and dialect. So of course,
if if you're living over here and I'm living over
there and we're speaking different languages, we're going to call
him something different. But because they havn't did what the
Lord said. What did he say? Heine, Ky, first, the kingdom.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
And everything else will be given unto you.

Speaker 9 (01:18:41):
Okay, yes, And I have found that that it is
true because I've been walking and talking with I'll just
put it this way. I've told people God is my father,
the Lord is my master, and the Holy Ghost is
my closest companion.

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
And this is true. And when you when you do.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
What he said? And what first of all he said
it in the Lord's prayer, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will
be done. And then prior to his crucifixion, he said,
not my will, but thy will be done.

Speaker 7 (01:19:12):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:19:13):
Now, if every man, because we're the endangered species, an
not white, black, yellow, polka dot platinum man period since
the garden. But what we need to do is what
he said, because he also said.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
In John.

Speaker 9 (01:19:28):
Fifteen seven, if you abided me in my word, abide
in you see. But because people look at the most
best selling book of all times, number one, the problem
is they just look at it as another book. Now,
I didn't come up in the church per se, but
I'm on fire right now and I have been for

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a while. Most folks don't believe. But on the other hand,
I have people calling me prophet.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Then I stop them.

Speaker 9 (01:19:58):
I said, to my knowledge John the back, I will
still last noted prophet. But Joel too does say that
in the latter days your sons and daughters will prophesie,
and I have prophesied. Now go back to brother Jones.
This thing had to happen with him. He's been innocent
all the time. Joe Dieters is the snake, a demonic snake.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
The area we.

Speaker 9 (01:20:21):
Live in, though it is felt with the sea, we
got double sin. But by me being born and raised here,
I have even suffered. I once set face and life
in the penitentiary and was innocent. But I had a
visitation from on high. And that's why I'm on fire today.
It happened to me in seventy eight. I can't go
through all of that, but because I'm trying to touch

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the bases here, the Trump thing real quick, men, It's
all about prophecy. Every nation, kingdom, peoples or whatever that
has ever claimed world domination has been brought to the dust.
The biggest problem is the people have been leaving out

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the Word of God. And that's what it is. And
there's even a scripture that I've never heard preached and
I understand why because the Lord himself said over there
in John fourteen twenty six, we're supposed to be taught
by the Holy Ghost, all right, period, And that's what
the problem is. People better get real and right with God.

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And as far as Cincinnati goes, there's a story. And
since you work with the inquiry.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Yes, sir name you got ten seconds because I got
to move on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Oay.

Speaker 9 (01:21:32):
Everything on the waterfront that was a woman by the
name of Sarah Jamee Combs when she begged them to
let them stay down in the canyon the real west End,
and they said you have no, but she said, why
don't you use that property down on the riverfront for
your stadiums and parks. Curtis Puller's had this news for
over twenty years. Jam Michelle Kearney has it now. But

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this is going to blow up Cincinnati because everything on
that front was a colored ladies idea when they were
running them up out of the West End. But that
never made news, but it did today, all right. Her
name was Sarah Jaye Comes and you could see a
picture of her down at the Fendly Market all right

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on the wall of the people that will run up
out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
All right, thank you, mim, I gotta go. I appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:22):
Oh you hear from me because I'm also a PEPONNK all star.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
All Right, all right, I'm working on Merry Christmas to you.
All Right, that was mean. We're gonna take a quick
break and we're gonna pull it into the station with
the callers. We got al we got Rick Junior, we
got Langston and Tony. All on hold, we're gonna get
to all of you in the final thirty minutes of
The Lincoln Ware Show twelve thirty. W DBZ, your talk station,

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the buzz of Cincinnati.