The Lincoln Ware Rewind: September 8, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm still un a speeding bullets.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Are powerful, gonna look come out him.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, we'll believe all buildings at a single bond.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm in the cry the bird to Lincoln.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Lincoln, Lincoln so binga Bana Bana being gun buln gun Lincoln.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Basically lift cat. Lincoln is a bad mother. We're just
talking about Lincoln.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Good morning, Cincinnati, Welcome to twelve thirty w DBZ. We
are the buzz of Cincinnati, your talk station, the Lincoln
War Show till one o'clock this afternoon. It is Monday,

(01:02):
and man, what a weekend of football it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Man, I don't even know where to start. Let's start
with the Ohio State and our favorite HBCU team, the
school where Alisha Ree Scratton graduated from. She even played
basketball down there. She was miss Grambling State also. But
they took a paycheck from Ohio State and came up

(01:28):
here and got their clocks cleaned. Seventy to nothing. Ohio
State beat them seventy to nothing. Man, unbelievable. I guess
it was worth the money.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
They needed. The money. They got to buy equipment, they.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Got to do all kinds of stuff. So we'll take
this ass whooping for this check. That's pretty much what
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Anyway, boy, and the game the Bengals and the Browns,
and it was an ugly game. Man. Bengals could not
do anything on offense. You know after the first quarter,
first quarter, Okay, I say, all right, they're looking good,

(02:16):
you know, and then after that they just disappeared. The
offense disappeared and the defense whoo, man, they gonna need
some work too. Those fumbles they recovered, they never would
have got those, not fumbles, but interceptions. They never would
have got those interceptions of the guys that the Cleveland
Browns and held on to the ball, they could hold

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onto the ball, it would have been completion because nobody
was around. Nobody was around these That's the thing that
gets me. Are the Bengals playing some type of zone
and these guys are splitting the zone, getting in there
where they're open.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Of what.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
There's just no way if they're playing man the man,
these guys should be as wide open as they are.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Lucked out there and got a victory. Lucked out and
got a victory. And we'll take them anyway we can
get them. Uh, We've been on the other side of
those miss field goal victories. We've been on the other
side of that, so I guess you know, the law
of averages says, Okay, the Bengals should be on the

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winning side of those miss field goals and miss extra
points and stuff like that, because we have been there
for sure, for sure. So but I tell you what,
the Bengals looked like a college team, and the Ravens
and Buffalo looked like real professional teams.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yesterday.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Man, this cats was playing some ball yesterday. Are you
kidding me? They were playing And I never thought that
Buffalo was gonna be able to come back and beat
the Ravens how And I fell asleep. I was like, Okay,
this game is over. I think I turned the news.
I wanted to see the eleven o'clock news, and the

(04:03):
game was still going. I'm like, okay, they never coming
back and win this one. This is in the bag.
And lo and behold they came back to win by
one over the Ravens. Unbelievable. I just couldn't win it.
I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. And I
missed that part of the game because I thought it

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was over. Never turn away from an NFL game unless
you know, they don't have enough time to score as
many touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
As they need.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Never turn away and boy oh even and at that
game there was a little controversy. Who was the guy
that scored a touchdown? I can't think of his name,
scored a touchdown. He was running down in the back
of the end zone and somebody slapped him upside the head.
And then as Lamar Jackson was walking down the same path,

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the guy slapped Lamar Lamar Jackson upside the head. Lamar
turned around and pushed the guy back, and I think
the guy was eventually kicked out of the game. But
then we thought maybe something was gonna happen to Lamar Jackson,
you know, because they're not supposed to, you know, hit
fans or do anything like that with fans. But I

(05:21):
don't think anything will happen. If anything, he might be
fine or something like that. But I don't think anything's
gonna happen. A guy knocked him upside the head, like
slapped him, you know, like he was a Buffalo fan
and they were mad because they had scored on Buffalo
and this guy just slapping players as they walked down.
He'll slapping him up side to here, and he slapped

(05:43):
the wrong one when he hit Lamar Jackson, Lamar turned
around and pushed.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
The dude back.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
And oh boy, I tell you it's always something. Started
off with the spit on a Thursday night. There's always
something in the NFL. Let me tell you, always something.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
And Donald Trump went to the US Open, and the
people who run the US Open, they're just whims. They
told the media not to show any disruptions or anything
when when they announced Trump or when they showed Trump
if anybody was giving any finger or something like that.
They didn't want ABC to show it. They didn't want

(06:24):
it shown. But they did let the booze be heard,
and I'm glad they did. They's like, we're not gonna
bow down to you. Ain't gonna air this stuff. Why
you hiding this stuff? Why are you protecting Donald Trump?
At the US Open, he got a lot of booze.
Believe me, that was not a friendly court crowd toward

(06:44):
Donald Trump. And we should see that. Why why you
want to control the.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Media and not let us see this stuff.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Geez, I tell you this place, this country is really
going to hell in a handbasket.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I don't know. We can survive three more years of this.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Uh, car crashed into the Baru restaurant. They call it
Barroux Restaurant. It's right there at the fifth and Race.
I know exactly where the place is. And I don't
know whether these guys were racing or what happened, but
one of the vehicles crashed into the to the restaurant.

(07:29):
They had to cut him out of the car, you know.
Oh man, you know, I think they had to use
the jaws of life to get the guy out. There
was another vehicle at the scene with heavy damage to
the front.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
I think these guys were racing and somebody's car went
out of control and ran into the What are you
doing racing on the downtown In the streets of downtown Cincinnati.
Something was going on because they weren't creeping along, you know,
they were at a high rate of speed to do

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the damage that they did. So, I tell you, boy,
it's just always always something. What else is going on?
There was a shooting at the Sheldon Apartments Broad Daylight
eleven eleven forty five am on Sunday, and I'm thinking

(08:25):
those apartments are in the Millville area or somewhere like that.
I'm not sure, but people are shooting in the day,
they're shooting at night, they're shooting anytime, anytime. They were
even doing some shooting out in Lincoln Heights at Leggott Street,

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Leggott and Bill Street in Lincoln Heights. Man, this is
one am that shooting happened. Boy, oh boy, oh boy.
We had a great walk this weekend. You know, people,
I tell you my walking club. I tell you, y'all

(09:09):
just so fickle.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
With the threat.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Just let it be a threat of rain at the
time of the walk and you don't see him. A
few of the die hard members will come regardless. But
you got some real pansies that if the weather man says, well,
you know, there might be a shower or two rolling

(09:34):
through around eight thirty or nine in that area, it
might be. Now it's gonna be scattered. Yeah, you won't
see them. Oh it's gonna rain. That's all they need
to look out. Oh it looks like rain. I'm rolling
back over. Walking club members, you are whimps. We had
the Democratic Party out there on Saturday, had a great
time with all the Democrats that were there. And I

(09:59):
don't want to mention anything. I might forget somebody. Uh,
but I'll do it before the end of the show.
I'll make sure I got everybody's name written down that
was there, because if I missed somebody, somebody might get mad.
So I'll wait before I tell you who all was there. Yes,
but they had a great time. They were talking to
the people. Some walked and others just stayed there in

(10:22):
politic you know. Uh, but we had a great time
with the Democratic Party at the lincoln Ware Walking Club
this past Saturday. Yes, and let's see what else we
have going on. Boy, I went to see War and Treaty. Yes,
and they they they're everything they were build up to be.

(10:42):
They were pretty good, pretty good, pretty good War and Treaty.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
They sounded good behind the orchestra and the couple they
you know, they play off of each other. And he's
a big boy. He's a big boy, but there's a
lot of weight. But he still could get on that
front line and play offensive tackle for the Bengals. Let
me tell you he's a big boy.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, And.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Let me tell you about the uh, the date between
Lady C and a guy who remained nameless until he
maybe wants to put his name out there. But I
looked for them. I was looking everywhere for them and
did not see them, but they were there. Even an usher,

(11:34):
believe an usher at music hall. Have you seen Lady
C in her date? Like lady, You're supposed to be
passing out programs and taking people to their seats, and
you worried about lady seeing her date. Unbelievable, unbelievable, but
they I talked to him. I haven't talked to Lady

(11:54):
C yet, but I did talk to him, and he thought.
He said, it was great. They're going to the Uh,
they're gonna try to go to the Whitney Houston that's
coming up. So according to him, it was a great date. Yes,
I haven't talked to Lady C yet, so I don't
know what her story would be, but uh, preliminary results

(12:17):
thumbs up. Okay, how about that Taran Coward. I think
we got a match going here. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I'm rooting for Lady C. I'm rooting for her.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
So uh.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Anyway, so she had to, uh, she had to even
she had to go to work after. I guess she
drives that all night metro. Maybe I don't know, but
she had to go to work after the concert, so
there was no uh all night hanky panky going on
there we do.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I didn't ask him.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I said, well, did you get a good night kiss?
I wanted, I wanted to dig deeper, but I did.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
You know, that's a great question, mister ware. I wish
we had to ask him. But maybe she'll call in.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Will call, maybe she will call. But uh, like I say,
he was, he was all giddy. He was all giddy
about it. Yeah, unbelievable. But I looked everywhere. I looked
in the balcony, and I think they were sitting somewhere
close to me. I don't know how they didn't see
me because I stood up. I said, let me stand
up and walk around, you know what I mean, walk

(13:27):
so they might see me. But apparently they never did
see me, and I didn't see them. So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
We'll see.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Uh hopefully we can hear from Lady C today, Yes,
and we'll see what happens there. And so I bet
I can't remember the bet I made with Rick Junior
if the Bengals win. Remember I said, if the Bengals
did he say he was not calling in for a month.
If the Bengals won their first game.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
How what was that? Bet?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
I can't remember, but I know that the people on
Facebook Live they remember every detail about everything.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
So I don't know. I don't know he's gonna miss
some weeks. I do know that, I do know that.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
So we'll see unbelievable. All right, let's take a break
and then we'll come back. The Lincoln Wear Show twelve
thirty The Buzz, The Buzz of Cincinnati, your talk station.
I went to Zakiah's memorial service on Friday. Yes, went
to Zekiah's memorial service. I said a few words there

(14:41):
about Zakillah, and uh, yes, she will be missed. Are
you people who were hating on Zakiah because she called
me Paul? Paul? Uh, you won't have to hear that anymore,
but she will be missed. One of my favorite callers Zakillah,
and I met her son there at the memorial.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Nice guy.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
So one night stand he was there. He was there
a few other people, but uh yeah, Uh. Then I
went over to uh Southern Grace, the little restaurant in Norwood.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Southern Grace. Man, they got some good.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Food over there, and the cake is, oh boy, that
cake is good too, man, I tell you so, I
had to greet somebody put in a request for the
Sunday Soul Classics. You got your hooks in me. So
I did play that yesterday. Hell yeah, everywhere I go somebody, hey,
play that on Sunday for me.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
So we played it all right.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Let's go downtown to the Crime Stopper headquarters and check
in with my good friend, Detective Tiffany Green. How you
doing today, I'm good.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
Good morning, Lincoln.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
How are you pretty good? Recovering from the weekend?

Speaker 6 (15:49):
You're always recovering.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I know you know you're right.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
It seems that way.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
It seems that way.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yes, yes, who we look for it today.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Okay, this this is a this is a doozy. But
Paula Jehio Walker is wanted by the Ohio Adult parolea
Authority for a felony parole violation. Mister Walker was originally
charged with felony weapons charged. Paula Jehio Walker is a
male Black. He's thirty one years old. He's five to
seven and one hundred and eighty five pounds. Paula Jehiah

(16:23):
Walker has a history of drug trafficking and assault, and
was last known to live on elm Avenue in Northwood, Ohio.
James Ray Carroll is wanted by the Ohio Adult parolea
Authority for a felony parole violation. Mister Carroll was originally
charged with homicide. James Ray Carroll is a male White.

(16:43):
He's forty six years old. He's five four and one
hundred and eighty five pounds. James Ray Carroll has a
history of drug possession, domestic violence, and assault, and mister
Carroll's last known address was in Middletown, Ohio.

Speaker 7 (17:00):
Nurse.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
If anyone has information on where police can find Paula
Jehio Walker or James Ray Carroll, please call crime Stoppers
at five one three thirty five two thirty forty or
submitted tip online at crime gask Stoppers at us.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
All right, three five, two thirty forty, night or day,
and there's always cash money for your clues and we
will talk to you tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
I see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
All right.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
That's a detective Green, And she says, I'm always recovering.
You didn't ask about her weekend, you know, I sure did,
And I forgot to ask her about her weekend. But
she she said she didn't have many plans at all. Remember,
I think that's why I didn't ask, because she kind
of put it out there like she wasn't gonna do
anything this weekend.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I wonder did she go to j Z. Maybe she
went to see g Z.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
But man, I tell you, I didn't know anything about
these JEZ concerts. A couple of weeks ago, my daughter
Tia went to see j Z in DC and she
said me a picture, and she had all dressed up
and the guy had a tuck seedo on. I'm like,
what where are you at a at a gala or something,

(18:09):
you know, GEZ concert? I'm like, why you dressed like that?
But I guess that's what they do now for his concerts.
Have you heard anything about that?

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Well?

Speaker 8 (18:18):
I saw people post on Facebook wearing tuxedos. Yeah, yeah,
dressed really nice at the GZ concerts, So I'm thinking
it has something to do with him in that concert.
I think it was called a black tie something, Yeah,
something like that. You have to ask don Juan. I
think he went there.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, call him over here, see if he can fill
a s in over there. On the GEZ I saw
people in there Bentley's and limos and all kinds of stuff.
And I'm like, and I did have a somebody did
tip me off and say, uh, they might not let
black folks into they might not let back black folks

(18:58):
in there anymore because it was so much smoking going on.
And first of all, you're not supposed to be smoking
in there anyway, but they said, uh, you could get
a contact high in the place. I don't know, I
don't know. We're gonna ask don Juan for show for
show for show, tell us about the GEZ for show.
What happened to jeezy?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Man? It was a great time.

Speaker 9 (19:19):
Everybody was dressed up, the city understood the assignment. Hey
they they were sharp, you know what I'm saying. So
everybody looked good, had a Sunday best on. It was
casket shop.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
I'm like, okay, this Cincinnati. Now he put on a
good show. Everybody din't doing the show got a good show.

Speaker 10 (19:38):
Man.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
It was a great time. So all right, yeah, there
you go. Okay, And that was could you smell any
smoking the place? I didn't smell any smoke?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
All right?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Okay, Well, see, like that's why I wanted to ask you.
Some people say stuff and then you know, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
But all right, So you had.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Did you have your tucks on when you casket sharp?

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (19:57):
I was clean, okay, you know, a little bow tie okay, Uh,
you know shoes the match, so you know it was
definitely a great time for sure.

Speaker 8 (20:06):
Is that something that was required to wear? Did you
have to wear a tux? Is that what the show
was about? Or how how did the tucks come in
to praxe you?

Speaker 9 (20:15):
Because that's the theme him going around the country and
uh having an orchestra play and he dresses up and
his tuxedo does his show. So uh, yeah, they would
like you too, but you know, nothing is required, but
they would like you too. And they did it since
Naty did it assignment.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I went to Speaking of orchestras, went to see a
War in Treaty at the Music Hall.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, man, they were they turned it out. They were
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, they sounded really good with the orchestra behind it.
They really didn't sound good that way. Boom boom they
were kicking it.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
I love me a good orchestra, man.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
You know what I'm saying. I played.

Speaker 9 (20:48):
I played in high school too, so uh the drums
uh in orchestray and bands and marching.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Bands and it makes everything sound better, you know, Yeah,
all right, down one for show, thanks for stopping over.
Appreciate the linkor to the Lincoln were show. All right,
that's a down one for show for show. Yes, and
he runs right next door to one hundred point three
since he's R and B station. Yes, all right. So, uh,

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it was a black tie affair if you dare, all right,
we're gonna take a break and then we'll come back
five one, three, seven, four, nine, twelve thirty Lincoln Wear
with you twelve thirty the buns afternoon it's Monday, and
then normally have to catch up all the things went on.

(21:39):
Oh I did something else I did this weekend that
I'm recovering from. Went to my cousin's birthday party yesterday
Dennis Neely and Reverend Dennis Neely. So there was no
beer or alcohol wink wink. You know, we had some
preachers there. We had Quinton Monroe, uh you know preacher
there of Darrell he was there. So there was no

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beer or liquor wink wink. But but we had people
from North Carolina, from Georgia, from Toledo. Yeah, everybody was there.
All his kids were there and had a great time.
Had a great time at Dennis's seventieth birthday party.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, and Julian we made sure he had the TV.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
I said, look, I'm not coming if y'all don't have
those TVs going in this party room. You know, party
room TVs and stuff. You know how they could sometimes
they never were. I said, call me when you get
the TV's up and running, because it's starting at one o'clock.
So I said, call me, then I'll leave home if
the TV's are working. If not, I'm staying home and
watch the game. But they called me and said the

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TV was up and running.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
And we were good to go. All right.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Over the weekend actually happened on Thursday or Friday. City
council another safety measure that they call themselves taking. They
banned food trucks from selling food after eleven o'clock on
the streets of Cincinnati. And I'm just saying, eleven o'clock

(23:16):
is awfully early. I mean, people, you know that's what
time I leave a bar. If I if if that's
a big if I go to a bar, I'm leaving
at eleven o'clock late. That's the latest I'm gonna stay
at a bar. Eleven o'clock if that late and I
come out and the food trucks and close. You know,

(23:38):
you gotta let people feed that liquor. They gotta be
able to eat something. And this is gonna put a
big burden on those food trucks down. They all over Cincinnati.
And let's talk to one of the food truck owners,
Max from we do Barbieque.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Max.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
How you doing Hey?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
How you doing it?

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Pretty good? I'm doing great, doing great.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
Man.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
They sprung this. Did they talk to you guys before
they put this eleven o'clock band on the food trucks?

Speaker 11 (24:09):
They had no conversations with me, definitely, And from what
I understand after having an hour long conversation with the
president of Food Truck Association, which I'm a member of,
they actually had no conversation with them either.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Wow. So they just threw that out there, didn't get
no room for compromise or anything. Uh, I don't and
I'm I don't know about this eleven o'clock hour. Why eleven,
I wonder, Well, because they don't.

Speaker 11 (24:39):
They don't. They're not sympathetic or understanding to people that
own food trucks, you know, in the OTR, in the
in the Central business district. You know, we're one of
the food trucks. We've had agreements with other establishments brick
and mortars that require our services to actually service their customers,

(24:59):
and it works two ways. It works both ways actually
where our customers come down there looking for us and
their customers look for us as well. But it's a
collaborative relationship that works well for both of us.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Now, the president of the Food Truck Association, have you
guys planned on meeting with counsel to see if you
can at least get the hours increased to twelve o'clock.
I think that would be more suitable twelve o'clock anyway,
But any plans to talk to them.

Speaker 11 (25:27):
Well, here's the problem is that even at twelve o'clock
when you have because we've had a contract with Urban
Sites downtown, they actually reached out to us to put
us down there to to provide food for late night
party and club goers. But again, I think it's necessary,

(25:47):
but at the end of the day, they don't see
it being something that they're interested in. I've never had
anyone have a fight in my line getting food, whether
it's at midnight or one o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, that's the thing that gives me. They think food truck, Well,
I guess they figured people will hang around the food
trucks and maybe there's a potential for a fight to
break out. But if they don't have any they haven't
had any fights breakout around a food truck over food
or anything like that, Why are they picking on you guys?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
That's what surprises me.

Speaker 11 (26:25):
I mean, that's that's what's baffling to me, because a
big part of our plan for a season is to
be out late night to provide food for late night partygoers.
And like I said, there's there's a number of businesses
down there. There's like the woodwork, you know, they have
weddings and stuff playing where people or events where they

(26:45):
contracted food trucks. And now they're gonna have to do
something like cancel the food trucks because they're probably they'll
probably go after eleven.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Gee gee, well tell me this.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
You guys have to jump through hoops to even get
license to operate those food trucks. It's not an easy
job just to get a food truck go down there.
You got to do a lot of stuff to actually
get licensed to do this.

Speaker 11 (27:07):
Yes, you have to be licensed through the county or
the state. You you know, legitimate food trucks are going
to be insured. You're probably going to be in one
or two associations, and then you just have to comply. Yeah,
and we do all of that, most food trucks, that's
what we do.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
We comply.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Man. Now, are most of the food trucks down there black?
Are they white?

Speaker 10 (27:31):
Or what is it?

Speaker 4 (27:33):
You know, can you answer that question? The majority of
them are white? Black?

Speaker 11 (27:37):
Or what I can tell you the majority of the
ones that work after eleven PM is going to probably
be a minority owned. So it seems it seems as
though once again, you know, I don't want to I mean,
I guess I do want to use the race car.
And I'll say, this is another instance. And just like
the bars, you know, just like the city man or

(28:00):
the city listener that attacks the black bars and does
nothing to the white bars, this is another situation where
adversely black businesses are being affected.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Wow. Wow, Well, they simply.

Speaker 11 (28:13):
Don't want black business in the city of Cincinnati, That's
what I believe. And the ones that they do there,
if you don't partner with them, then they definitely trying
to get you out the way.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Man man, So are there any plans for you guys
a lobby city council or the president of the food
truck Association she plans on going down or what? Are
you just gonna live with it and close up at eleven?

Speaker 11 (28:37):
Well, I mean, I don't know. I'm gonna have some
more dialogue. I'm gonna reach out and see it may
be it may be something that I may have to get,
you know, just rally the truths and go down there
myself with as many people as I can get to
support the calls. But I'm very disappointed in the city's
decision because it again affects black business and they and

(28:58):
they keep saying they don't want to with people out
of business, but that's what they do.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Wow, I think you should organize a food truck a
rally down in front of the city hall. Bring all
the food trucks down there and park them and walk
into city Council and see what happens. See if you
can the people in Hyde Park, you see what happens
when the city puts something on them and they didn't
want you. See what happened. They reversed it. So, Uh,
the squeaky wheel gets.

Speaker 11 (29:23):
The oil maybe maybe that's something we'll have to do.
But like right now, you know, they pulled the rug
out from under me, and you know, I still got
a couple of months seasons where I expect to do that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. You got you got all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
You got, you still got Reds, you still got the
Bengals on Sundays. Uh, people come down to the square
after the game and all kind of stuff. I mean,
there's a lot of events going on down there.

Speaker 11 (29:49):
Well there's a lot of events. But you gotta really
face the fact Cincinnati, the town area to me, is
not thriving like other cities anyway. So if you can
create more of a festive situation and and have stuff
like food trucks and late operations and and and even
more officers on the street, because even the weekend that

(30:12):
the bro happened, we were at the corner of Fourth
and Plumb, and if we would have had at least
one officer down there, the whole bra wouldn't have happened.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, if just one officer had been there, but they yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
It wouldn't have been a problem really.

Speaker 11 (30:31):
And there would have there would have been someone to
deter the melee.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
But Yeah.

Speaker 11 (30:35):
The reason why that happened is that with the city
all their resources was probably down at the banks, which
it is every weekend. But you got black business that
hung out to dry because the two bars down there
had no support from the city whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
None.

Speaker 11 (30:53):
And I was there for the entire time. I go
on to you see we do barbecue truck there the
whole time where all that stuff that's going on, saw
the whole incident. And at the end of the day,
the city has itself to blame because they did nothing
to make sure this did not happen where it happened, all.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Right, Well, Max, hopefully they can change it at least
until twelve eleven is just ridiculous. What have you guys?
Closed down at eleven and as many people as I
see walking about downtown is not a question of safe.
Cincinnati is safe. Downtown Cincinnati is safe. I mean, you
got a truck on Fountain Square. It's been there all

(31:34):
summer long. I don't think there's been any incidents down
there around safety, has it?

Speaker 5 (31:40):
No?

Speaker 11 (31:40):
I mean it hasn't. And it's a shame that this
one incident that happened jazz festival weekend, given the city
of Black I'm getting people calling me from all around
the country thinking that the whole city is right. And
we had one little situation that lasted probably about six
or seven minutes, and everybody thinks that this is what's happening.

(32:02):
And you know, you got all these lobbyists, all these politicians,
you know, attacking attack in the city, and it seems
like that we're alawless, a lawless city, and we're not,
you know, we're not.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
All right, Well, Max, good luck in your quest to
get city council to drop that crazy uh law that
they threw up there all of a sudden and then
even negotiate with you guys, sit down and talk to you.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
They just threw it on you. Just like that.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Keep us informed, let us know what's happening, and if
you're hearing any talk from city hall.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Let us know.

Speaker 11 (32:33):
I will do thanky and.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
I had the mayor in in a couple of weeks
and now ask him about it.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Also.

Speaker 11 (32:40):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Thank you, all right, thanks for your call.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
All right, that's Max from We do barbecue and he's
got a few trucks around downtown and I did see
one of his trucks on festival weekend. He was parked
in front of a restaurant, and I guess he was
working along with the restaurant, like you to say it
was a bar.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, So I don't know what the deal was.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
It's crazy, but I think they should have sat down
with the Food Truck Association and work this thing out.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:14):
When I first heard the news about that, I couldn't
connect the dots. I'm like, what does that have to
do with the issues that we're having with the violence? Yeah,
just I couldn't connect the dots.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, So all right, let's take a break and then
we'll come back. We'll go to the phones five one, three, seven, four, nine,
twelve thirty, The Lincoln Wear Show twelve thirty, The buzz
In d to be Z. Every time I hear that song,
I have to sing along with it. You just can't
help but sing along with that. That's my new karaoke,

(33:43):
my new go to for karaoke. Yeah, let our rejoy
scene rise.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Lincoln Were.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Okay, Okay, yeah, okay, where the white women at these names?
All white women are unbelievable, un be leeve. That's why
they put this disclaimer on before my show.

Speaker 10 (34:08):
I do believe.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I do believe they don't want any.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Parts of this. All right, let's go to the phones.
Let's go to my good friend Mike McCoy.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
How you doing, good morning, Linking, How you doing this morning.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I'm hanging in there. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh? I know you happy? You won your bet?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Uh with Rick Jr? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
You want the whole You have to worry about your
calling in on that game the Bengals play. Did they
look They didn't look good at all? Did they know?

Speaker 4 (34:43):
They didn't? And I thought they were gonna run up.
I thought both teams were going to score a lot,
and I had them picked for the over. I had
the old I had I won the under on how
many pass attempts Burrow would make, and I had a
two game parlay. Ingle's going with the over, and Uh,
I had the under on the pass attempts from Burrow.

(35:06):
I won the under on Burrow. But Man, I had
the over on the score.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Geez, yeah, well they should do Jacksonville in you going
down to Jacksonville game?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I think that game is right here. That's here, Okay,
it's here Sunday.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
And one other thing, Lincoln, Man, I listened to your
show last week. Man and I never thought twin with
brun White they're from Joyce.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Stick out again.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yes, he didn't know, he didn't want to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
And he's supposed to be a gangst and all that
kind of stuffy rand him away. But uh, anyway, Lincoln,
I just want to thank you for taking my call
and uh oh for uh the game last night at
forty game? What's that the hell of a game or what?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Man?

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I just knew that Baltimore had that game. I just
knew it was over.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Now let me ask you a question. Did you see
that little white boy slap Lamar Jackson and he.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Damn pushed him out there?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yes? Yes?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
What gave you that little boy to write to think
he could put his hands on Lamar Jackson?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
And it wasn't like he was glad he had scored
a touchdown because he had a he had a Buffalo
shirt on or something. He had something Buffalo on and
he was mad. He just slapped him upside the helmet there.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, that's crazy. But anyway, Lincoln, thanks for taking my call.
And I'm enjoyed listening to the show all last week. Man,
it just makes my day.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
I'll listen to you, Lincoln, Mike McCoy, thanks for your call,
and we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
All right, have a blessed date.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
All right.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
That's my good friend, Mike McCoy. You gotta put that
in there. Gotta put that in there, all right, five, won, three, seven, four, nine,
twelve thirty Brent, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Oh? Nothing much, Lincoln, And I would rather be your
nephew than your good friends. Oh man. But yeah, the
Rick Junior is Yes, that was a silly best for
him to make, but he's national so he can still
call in and bug Al Sharpton and the Redaniels Favors

(37:20):
and Clay Caine and all the rest of them, so
he'll be all right.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Ay, yeah, we won't have to listen to that anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I guess, you know, yeah, oh yeah. And you remember
before when I talked about the wages of whiteness concept
from the Beating Beat the Boys book from nineteen thirty five,
Black Reconstruction. Yes, okay, where their wages are? You know,
they get public and psychological bonus for being white. Referential treatment,

(37:52):
you know, with jobs and schools and other goods different
from the state and society. You know, they definitely get
different from the in the house and everything like that,
and they perceive superior social status they hit those wages,
but they also get the downside of that to where
they vote against their own best interest. And have you

(38:13):
seen what's going on in Arkansas?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
No, what's happening there in Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
These farmers are crying and moaning at these town hall meetings, saying,
we've had this farm in our family for generations and
we're gonna wind up loving it because we lost contracts
with China.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
It's their own father, their own father, yes.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
It is, and they're billy aching and they want Donald
Trump to save them. And I say everyone should call
their local congressmen and congress women and tell them do
not approve any welfare to those farmers, yep, because that's
that's all on them.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
They voted for him, and now they get what they
voted for.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
And the sad thing about it is a lot of
these tom men and women they are bought into these big,
huge corporations that buy a farmland and then make the
people who they bought it for them or don't they
don't make it, but the people wind up working back
on it. So essentially they gonna wind up hair cropping eventually. Yeah,

(39:16):
which is sad. And one of the things. Have you
seen this new series, I think it's on FX called
Alien Earth.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
You know, I saw the previews of it, but I
haven't watched it.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I didn't see the previews yet.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Now, if you like the Alien series, you will enjoy
this series. They've done it really good, and they've also
introduced some new aliens. Like one of them is this
little just imagine a little baby octopus, but it has
an eye with a bunch of I guess irises or
pupils on it. And what it does, It'll climb on you,

(39:55):
rip out your eye, put its eye in its place,
and then be able to control your body. And I
think that's what's happened to RFK Junior. He got one
of these. He already has the brain words. This joker
is given so much craziness in terms of vaccines and everything.
For folks who want to get the COVID vaccine, depending

(40:16):
on where you are, you can't get it.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
His family even wants him to resign, Yeah, but he won't.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
He's arrogant, and you know that's there's power in that position,
so he will maintain it. But every day it seems
like we have something to talk about. How incompetent, woefully
incompetent that this entire Trump administration is from the wrestling
secretary of Defense another Defense of Education who can't do

(40:45):
basic math and you know, talking about a one soft
and you know, teaching it to our kids and everything.
She is, all of them are. The only requirement is
that they're white or you know, think they're white, like
ash Fatail.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
And they they follow his orders.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Follow his orders and Project twenty twenty five orders to
a chief.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yep. That's it.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Even if Kennedy did resign, he just hired somebody else
that had the same mentality as Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
It just wouldn't be Kennedy. I mean, I mean, he's.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
There, and we might as well be deal with it
for the next four years, and that's when we can
do something about it.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yep. And maybe these white folks will finally get well
what I talk, I'm giving them too much credit. No,
they'll they'll bothe for them next next go around if
they get an opportunity, because they get those still get
those wages of whiteness, just like with the three hundred
thousand black women who got kicked out of what we
got fired from their government jobs. They were keying on

(41:44):
that number. They don't care about the other white folks, right,
were farre from their government jobs. As long as they
got rid of those up of the you know, openly educated,
openly qualified black women. That was their only goal.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
That's it, all right, Brent, thanks for you, Kyle, thank you?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
All right.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
That's Brent Beard. And uh, why are y'all coming down
on Brent on Facebook Live? These folks are something else.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Ross and and Blade.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
They they're haters, the strictly haters.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
All right.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Uh, we've got news coming up and then we'll come
back on the other side, Burning Langston, Curtis Wells and others.
Holding on twelve thirty the buzz Eddie your talk station.
It's Lincoln where it's Monday, Monday, Monday. Who's playing on
Monday night football tonight? I don't know, anybody knows. I

(42:33):
don't know who it is, but uh, I'm sure it'll
be pretty good. I'm sure it'll be pretty good. Uh,
five one three, twelve thirty. Let's go to Vernon, Vernon.
How you doing today?

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Brother?

Speaker 4 (42:48):
I'm right here, hear you loud and clear.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
It was nice to see the ball finally bounce the
bingles way. Yes, for so long, we're gonna say we've
lost three games, I know, three games last year from
you know, missed extra points and miss field goals or
you know, and it was all set to go downhill.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, you know, yea.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Once they dropped that Once Bengals number one receiver dropped
that ball and then freeze back to back sacks, I
was like, Oh, it's getting ready.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
To go down here.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
We might as well face it. Joe Burrow is not
a runner. He's got to learn how to kick his
legs high so that they just can't. I mean, you know,
if you watch, if you watch what's his name, oh man, uh,
the guy from the Chiefs, quarterback for the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
If you watch him, he runs high.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
He kicks high so that when they go to grab
his legs, you know, you can't just grab him from
the ground because he's kicking up high. Burrow's got to
learn to do that. He just tiptoes and they can
just bring him down real easy.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
May They were playing a two deep zone, which is
pretty much have figured the type of defense you've played
with some younger players, because it was always somebody around
when that ball got tipped, which is what always happens
to the Bengals. Well, when you play that defense, you
leave the middle of the field wide open, and that's

(44:19):
what they were throwing that ball to and the boys
are just dropping it. I was just going crazy at
the house.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Yes, they got to do something with those corners and
those safety day. They just let these cats run free.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, when the.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Safety is supposed to come up. So you got a
line listen, you you drop a linebacker back and covered
you blitch the other one. Well, number fifty five for
the Bengals is probably the Slewest white boy ever, saying
plays linebacker. The other number guy number forty.

Speaker 11 (44:48):
Four, he's too small.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Yeah, and you actually, Washington, that's a small guy. So
he wasn't getting there, and your safeties are playing too
deep and it was just hitting that all day long.
And uh yeah, it was something else. Uh I wish
I could have went up there. Uh my girlfriend went
up on the bus and they said, uh, that is
one dirty as city.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Really really, I mean it was ridiculous, really the part.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
You know, I went to a Cleveland game up there,
and it seemed like you know, cleaning up the area
where I was in.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I didn't go to the outskirts or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
Yeah, when they came, I guess wherever they came through,
they the first thing they saved it and they started
getting off. But you know, those a bunch of people
till gating and all in and I guess they just
do their trash everywhere. You know how that goes fimes.

Speaker 11 (45:40):
Yeah, but we want to know that's all the matter,
all right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
I want to know that that's that's why we made
them play the preseason for to win that first game.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, kicking the field goals.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Yeah, all right, thanks for your call. All right, let's
go to Alisia Ree, Alisha, Rese.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
How you doing hey, and they get I'm.

Speaker 10 (46:00):
Doing fantastic And just wanted to say how to give
a good congratulations to Christy Coons and the Urban League
wonderful fundraising gala.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I had a great time.

Speaker 10 (46:15):
I had a lot going on in Cincinnati, a lot
going on this weekend and.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Cincinnati, so yes, yeah, yeah, did you go to j Z.

Speaker 10 (46:23):
Yes, my brother came in town and uh, he had
seen him in Orlando and he came to town said
we gotta go, gotta go, and I'm glad he had
me go. Man, the whole city was out. Want to
think everybody was looking good and nice. And I had
a great time and a great time with my brother
and uh. Then but the next morning we paid for

(46:43):
it because uh we had to get up early to
support my niece volleyball game. But I'm glad we did advance.
She did a backwards hit to win the volleyball game.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Man.

Speaker 10 (46:54):
So but but I was tired. We had a great time, and.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
You go without me getting on you about this. Your
school Grambling came up to Ohio State and they they say, okay,
do we take a check and a butt whooping? Okay,
let me take the check. Let's go get that butt whooping.
That's what they got from ohouse down. I hope they
got a million dollars for that game.

Speaker 10 (47:18):
Leccoln I didn't get to make that game. They didn't
get sucked with me, but they did get the They
did get the briefcase with one million dollars they paid Bramblin.
I didn't get to go because I had the Urban League.
It wasn't no way I could get back and I
had to be at Urban League, but I told them
that I would meet them in Vegas. We're playing in
the first HBCU ever Classic in Vegas, and we'll be

(47:42):
in the stadium there. I think it's Allegiance Stadium. I
tell them I'll be there when we played Jackson State,
and I'll put my miss Gramblin hat back on and
we'll be ready to rock. But this one, they got
a million dollars. They got the suitcase. And then I
heard that sand I heard that the the world the
world renowned band played with the best band of the land,

(48:05):
and they were learning some things from Grandma's turned it out.
They said, they got it all over the video. They
bobbing their hands like, Okay, this is how they do it.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Grandma turns it out.

Speaker 10 (48:17):
I heard with the band. But I do want to
say it was tough for me because I'm a big
Ohio State football fan. I'm also a big Grandma alum.
And so anyway, Grandma, I tell them, get the suitcase
and get out of town and don't get hurt. Don't
get hurt, because we got Jackson State. We got to
take over, boy, and I'll be in Vegas with Grandma.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Now let me you got some money for small business,
minority business. You got some money to give away, don't you.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (48:45):
So one of my initiatives was starting the county first
ever office a small business. You know, we had the
big small business Day that we do and a lot
of people connected with contracts.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
The other thing I said, we need to have a
pitch night.

Speaker 10 (48:58):
So we did it for the first time last year
and we're doing it again this year.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Up to ten.

Speaker 10 (49:03):
Thousand dollars in prizes to the best pitch. You have
to register and the last day to register is today.
So if you're a small business or an entrepreneur, you
register today to try to get to the finals. You
get to the finals, then you have a chance to
compete for the up to ten thousand dollars. So we're

(49:23):
telling people to go right now to go to Hamilton
County Small Business. Let's put that in Google off of
a small business Hamilton County hit pitch night and you
have You know, today is the last day, said don't
wake the four, three and four o'clock. Do it now.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
It hurt Over one.

Speaker 10 (49:41):
Hundred people already have applied, So do that right away,
and then you can also find out about a new
program if you're trying to buy a building, you a
small business, you're trying to buy a commercial building. One
of the things I was happy to be a part
of and thank my colleagues for supporting it.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
We put it up about.

Speaker 10 (50:00):
Five hundred thousand dollars in this fund to help with
your down payment for a commercial building. So you can
go for money the ownership and you can call our
small business office to ask for Greg FOURT about this program.
It's five to one three four five eight two two

(50:20):
one zero four five eight two two one zero gregs FOURT.
Because they haven't had a lot of people know about
this program, so this is nothing like it. We'll put
the down payment and it will help you with fifty
percent of your down payment if you' you know. Of course,
you got to go through and make sure you you know,
you have got all the requirements. But at the same time,

(50:43):
we're not taking any interest in your business. A lot
of people give you money, but they want ten percent,
or they want two percent.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Or what have you.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
This is a will help you with fifty percent.

Speaker 10 (50:54):
A lot of times you get to five or four loan,
but then you don't have the money for the down payment.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
So wanted to tell people that and then Lega, you know, I.

Speaker 10 (51:02):
Come from a small business, and I just want to
remind people that on Friday, September twelfth is my father's birthday,
doctor Stephen Rees Senior. He'll be seventy eight years young.
And y'all remember Integrity Hall. I remember my parents went
from renting downtown to saying we want to go own something,

(51:25):
and they went and bought a dilapidated building in bond Hill,
redeveloped a dix Hut development, but they had a thing
called Integrity Banquet and Conference Center.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
And I run up the site, run into so many
people that give me stories.

Speaker 10 (51:38):
About Integrity Hall.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
So what we're going to do is have.

Speaker 10 (51:41):
An Integrity Hall reunion eleven am to two pm at
the Brunch Deluxe in bond Hill, twelve forty one, California.
Because Paul, the owner said he was a youth and
was that Integrity Hall for a leadership workshop, a lot.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Of leadership things for community. And saw my.

Speaker 10 (52:02):
Parents owning a building and a banquet hall and that,
and they had it for twenty eight years. And then
he came him and his wife and reinvested in bond
Hill with a new Brunch de Luxe, which is also
event senter, So come on out, it's free. Have you
got any stories about.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Integrity Oh, I got some stories about Integrity Hall.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I got some stories.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
I remember when barbar Reice was getting up out of
her wheelchair going after Nate Livingston.

Speaker 10 (52:29):
Oh lord, I'm talking about people who paid for rentals.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I talk about the free croft Lica.

Speaker 10 (52:35):
You had your first holidays at Integerty Hall.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Well, I think it was probably the second one. The
first one I had in a place called Annie's over
there Annie. Then I had the second.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Wak. We outgrew Annie's the first time.

Speaker 10 (52:48):
You were at because all works for you. We put
it together. Remember that did something that you were there
your second year? Okay, okay, the first there the Integrity Hall,
y'all was eating free and everything. I had the old food,
you know, Mama had to say it out. But you
also had the dance contests against you and my dad

(53:09):
and I got that when y'all both had good needs
and I won.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Y'all did the I don't know, I got a fish
up my dad going way low Lincoln.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
You head thee for a seconds.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
So we had those, and then we had a lot
of weddings.

Speaker 10 (53:22):
People had weddings and reunions and a lot of free
community events lencoas you did. You know, a lot of
shows were done from there. We had about three different
thing you've been with, three different stations. We had all
the shows was live and Integrity Hall and we go
all the way back there in the house so we
you know, stopped the violence. We had all that ic

(53:43):
D and all that back in the day and uh
Little League World Series exhibition. We had the big thing there.
Had a lot of three presidential candidates, Dean, Jackson and
Bradley all had events at Integrity Hall. So it was
just so many things, all business. The Black Chamber was
started in I remember that small business meeting and my

(54:09):
dad and clean and said he was trying to get
it going. He went to my father and they got
up at our small business event and both of them
got up said this is an idea whose time has come.
And I was the first volunteer secretary. I said, I
gotta go volunteer meet birtht.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Lincoln Work gave me five hundred dollars.

Speaker 10 (54:25):
Now y'all got me, But no, it was it was
all these memories and we're a time where we got
to document our history because they're trying to wipe it out.
So come on out Friday at Friday, this Friday, from
eleven am to two, So Lincoln, you can make it.
When you get off eleven to two, come on out.

(54:46):
We're gonna record the memories as Integrity Hall Reunions to
Stephen Resinian birthday.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
All ready, Lincoln, we might do.

Speaker 10 (54:53):
A rematch of the chat shop. I ran no needs
and you got my needs.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Were looking better than his. My needs are working better.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
All right, we'll find out.

Speaker 10 (55:05):
All right, we'll see everybody Friday, and don't forget get
online right now for the pitch night up to ten
thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
All right, Alicia, thanks for your call. All right, let's
take a break. We'll come back. I got a special
guest in the studio and you'll find out who he is.
On the other side. Well, it's two people. I've got
a guest and he brought a guest with him, and
I'm anxious to talk to both of them. Coming up
on twelve thirty the buzz talk station and uh lo

(55:36):
and behold, he's in the studio. He's not up in Toledo.
Everybody said, why is he in our business.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
And he's up in Toledo.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Well he's down here in Cincinnati now, mister Nate Livingston
is in the house.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
How you doing, Nate Lincoln, How are you doing? All right? Doing?
All right?

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Time? No, see, man, I know that's time we saw
each other was almost a year ago.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
And you you up there the liner. The last time
I saw you on the.

Speaker 7 (56:03):
Ground, caps had me on the ground. So here I
am in Cincinnati. I'm here because they were I'm here
because they were having a hearing, the Cincinnati braw defendants. Uh,
we're having a hearing. And they were also trying to
be slick. Some white attorneys, Kirk Hartman and Chris Finny

(56:25):
were trying to be slick and uh uh. They filed
a couple of motions with the OHIU Supreme Court saying
that they wanted to get all of Alexander Travinsky's records
uh released, which I agreed with, But I recognized that
what they were trying to be slick about was they're

(56:46):
trying to put their version of the story cemented into
the public record. And so if you read their lawsuits,
and there was two of them, one was fouled against
the clerk.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Of course, one was fed against the city.

Speaker 7 (56:59):
They're version of the facts don't match what the actual
facts were, and so they're trying to set set it
up to where the FBI is compelled to come in
and announce that they're opening an investigation. But not because
of what you might think, because according to them, a

(57:20):
person's civil rights have been violated and it's the white
man who did to slap it. And so, of course
this is all political.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
You know.

Speaker 7 (57:29):
The reason that they want to do that is this
is a step towards getting the National Guard of the
military to come to Cincinnati, and all of this is
about trying to help JD.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Vance's brother become the mayor.

Speaker 12 (57:44):
And so.

Speaker 7 (57:46):
I came down for the hearing. And while I was
at the hearing, Reverend Damon Lynch was at the hearing.
City council candidates Stefan Pryor was at the hearing. A
lot of good people. But those people are known. I
know they're known you by your audience. I got to uh,
Damon Lynch. One thing Reverend al Sharpton does very well

(58:08):
is when he goes into these different cities, he always
reaches out to the mothers. And so I was about
to leave. I met a couple of the people. We've
I've heard people like Vernon, who's in your chat? They saying, well,
if there is a good people, why y'all the only
one standing up for him?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Where is their family members? Where is their friends?

Speaker 7 (58:30):
Ain't nobody called the buzz and said these are good
people or nothing?

Speaker 5 (58:35):
So?

Speaker 7 (58:36):
Uh, I met some people. I got their stories. I
was a little too scared to approach some of them.
And Damon Lynch, being a pastor, he said, Nate, I
want to introduce you to some people. So he introduced
me to this this lady who's sitting beside me, and
he said, this is one of the mothers and so.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
The seven people that were arrested in charge.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
So me, being the son of a pastor listening to
a pastor, I instantly understood what he wanted me to do.
So I wrapped my uncut I don't mean literally, but
I wrapped my arms around her, and I said, you
know what I'm going to see My old friend Lincoln
were at the radio station. Would you be willing to

(59:23):
come and speak to the people who have those questions
like Vernon? Would you be willing to tell us about
your daughter. We don't want let me say this too.
Clyde Bennett was in one of the heroes. There were
two heroes, one with the black defendants upstairs, one with
the white defended downstairs.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Did he show He didn't show up. He didn't show
up again. The black people had to.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Show up for the pre trials, but the white man don't.

Speaker 7 (59:49):
So anyway, Uh, I did get to speak to Clyde Bennett,
but I want to make it clear I did not
get his permission to bring his client to her order
is represented back, Okay, okay, And.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
So I didn't run this by him. I didn't have time.
I didn't really think about it. And so I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:00:10):
If I being apparently, if I hear her saying something
that I think might anyway then get her daughter in
trouble or get clad ben mad. I'm all not be rude,
but you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna try to interject.
So uh and so okay, your name, that your clerk?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
And which client?

Speaker 10 (01:00:32):
Who?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Who was you?

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
And that's my daughter?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
What's her name?

Speaker 12 (01:00:38):
She was like one of the first she was like
the first female actually the guys she had.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
To blind with. Okay, okay, okay, okay. And she had
a little jumpsuit on in this. Yeah, well she was
moving around. She was doing a lot of moving.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
So if you don't matter, let me let me before that,
before you really get to giving her the third degree,
mister ware, be gentle with her. Please, let me just
say that be fouled a motion. It looks like you
fouled this a couple of days ago. I don't think
it had been reported. But he wants to get the
grand jury testimony and those transcripts released. And for people

(01:01:14):
who listen to this show on the regular basis, you know,
that's been one of my things. Somebody is lying about
what happened. Somebody is lying about what they told the
grand jurors. And the only way to know who said
what did the police not want to press charges or
was it a prosecutorial decision. So the only way to
find out is to get the grand jury transcripts release.

(01:01:35):
And so I'm glad to bring the motion right here
in my hands of the motion from Clyde Bennett to
say he agrees and he wants the grand jury transcripts
to be released. Now these would be released to him
and then somebody like me or some community lawyer. I
wish we had one can go in and say, well,

(01:01:57):
if they got a right to see the grand jury transcripts,
why should in the public be able to see him too?
And so with that said, I think you had asked
this lady, uh to tell What did you ask her
to tell us about you?

Speaker 10 (01:02:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, okay?

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
What was her involvement in the whole situation? We saw her, uh,
you know, moving around and everything like that in the
in the with the videos, So what did she tell you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Okay? And also what you could see? How did she
get down there?

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
So she was down there at work.

Speaker 12 (01:02:25):
They were driving the electric cars with the Germaine name
with his cars, so she kind of worked for him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
The one in the red shirt, the guy said.

Speaker 12 (01:02:33):
She was with him and his girlfriend had on the
white She was with both of them, and that the
girlfriend is her friend and she's friends with both.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
But they were all co workers also, so there wasn't
no troublemaker. No, it wasn't drunk, and it was not
trying to work, trying to work money, drinking.

Speaker 12 (01:02:50):
Just getting awful work, right, So just got off of
work and saw commotion with with the situation where those
people were from what I hear from other people, not
even just my daughter. Those people were trying to start
fighting with whoever they could walking past where the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Who got mental. The community knows that this guy has
some mental issue.

Speaker 12 (01:03:09):
They were trying to fight with anybody. And the first
person that they kind of like was they were about
to jump Gooney, the last almost last dude that got arrested.
They were about then he had the problems or whatever.
They were about to jump him and the guy Jamaine
tried to stop him. He would have first tried to
break up the fight, and then the guy that slapped
him had started kicking the cars.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
First I heard. I heard that he started carr kicking
the gather like why are you kicking the car?

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
So he tried to ask him.

Speaker 12 (01:03:35):
Then, you know, because they kept giving him, you know,
Grace kept just he's trying to be aggressive and trying
to fight, but they just kept telling him to stop
or you know, trying to break up stuff he's starting
and everything, and he just took it too far. Once
he got the kicking the cars and then when he
was like, so, oh that's your car, and then Jamay
said yes, and he slapped them. And then these other
guys come running in. I think I guess they knew

(01:03:55):
Jamaine c. I only knew three of them. I know
my daughter, the Jamaine girlfriend, and and Jaman that's all
I know. And the rest of them kind of just
got in and they they came and just jumped on
the white guy and then my daughter she she didn't
jump in like on the white guy, but like after
the what was oh stop, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:04:17):
I just kind of didn't want her to say what
her daughter did, you know, I don't want her to
be wind up on the stand.

Speaker 12 (01:04:24):
She didn't kick anybody, She didn't kick anybody. She didn't
brutally attack anybody. She did like had a conversation with
one person and that was it. Yeah, Yeah, she didn't
have she really helping out the friend. Her friend, Yes,
that was her friend. That was that was her friend.
Her friend was kind of attacked by three people at
the same time. And that's how my daughter even got in,
like trying to get she got one person off of

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her friend. That's about her her participation in the whole fight.

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
And you know, and that's an important point because one
of the reasons they're saying they can't charge Holly even
though we've seen video of Holly interacting fighting here, pushing, shoving.

Speaker 12 (01:04:58):
And that's what my daughter did towards her. She ran
towards her, but she didn't touch her. A guy came
and knocked her out, and nobody knows that guy. So
that's another part that everybody was getting stuff to that
out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Wait, but he's arrested, right, the guy, Well, he got arrested.

Speaker 12 (01:05:12):
Yeah, he got arrested, but nobody knows him. Nobody knew
who he was, so that they like, this person just
walk her by and this person just a passer by.
My daughter, the kayle Vernon wasn't just passing by.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
She was with the people.

Speaker 12 (01:05:24):
And that guy, the Patrick I think his name was,
he was a passer by, Like I guess he saw
the commotion that he wanted to get in it, but
nobody knew him, nobody know what his name was, none
of that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
And so you know, her down there, just trying to work,
make a living, not looking for trouble.

Speaker 12 (01:05:39):
Was ready to go home, and all that got started
and she would not just let people that she's with
get into it. And it was more they said, they
say the fight was two old people got beat up
by a bunch of people. It was about five or
six of them, and my daughter only fought with I mean, well,
she only had a confrontation with one woman, just one woman,
and the woman that had all blue and it wasn't

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really Holly. Holly had on blue flowers on her outfit.
And the other lady is this is a third lady
into the fight. So just to show you that it
was more than just two people, two old people in
there on their side, that part wasn't true.

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
And so when it comes to Holly being a white woman,
they say, we can't charge Hollywood no crimes, even though
we saw hitting people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Even though the chief of.

Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
Police said, I'm giving an order to all my officers
everybody who was downtown fighting is to be arrested in
charge with the crime.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
They saying, well, we can't charge Hollywood no crime. This
is what the prosecutors.

Speaker 7 (01:06:37):
And you know, I think I'm beginning to believe that
Connie Pillage might she might not be lying to us.
She might not be lying the revend CAZy Smith. She
might not be lying the pastor Leslie Jones. She might
just be clueless, mister Ware. She might not know that
her prosecutors. According to the FOP president, according to several

(01:06:57):
other officers, her Man Richard Ginning is the one who
told the cops you cannot charge any of the white
people with crimes. And so they're saying the reason is
because Holly was defending somebody else. Self defense don't just

(01:07:17):
mean of yourself, It means of yourself or others. And
so if Holly shouldn't be staying trial for any crimes,
why is this lady's daughter when she was doing.

Speaker 12 (01:07:31):
My daughter, My daughter knew the person that she was
defending and they were friends. Holly, it meant admitted she
didn't even know the person that she was so called defendant.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
This is hopped in that fight. But what my thing is,
why didn't she call the police?

Speaker 12 (01:07:44):
Why didn't the lady that my daughter had the confetation with,
Why didn't she call the police? Like, why wasn't any
of them calling the police if they were such victims.

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
That's my problem was, I was watching the bond here
and that appeared in front of Jewd's tricks like three
weeks ago, and number one the prosecutor, and during that hearing,
he said, I've got all these videos and I'm putting
them together, and I thought I was gonna have him
ready today.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Three weeks later he's so it seemed like he might
not be telling the truth.

Speaker 7 (01:08:15):
To us, which what goes along with his history, because
he's got a history if you read through the newspapers
and do a deep dive on the guy, he's got
a history of going in front of a judge in
Hamilton County and saying, I admit that I lied to you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
He's got a history of lyne to a judge.

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Now he's say the reason I lie was because my
client told me a lie, and I just passed the
lie along to you. What makes us think that he
hasn't been lied to by the city, which is his
client now, and he hasn't just passed them lies along
the judge Allen Triggs or now to this new judge,
Judge Allison hath the way.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
I don't know, but I just think it frustrates me.
I don't think that the black people are getting a
fair shape.

Speaker 11 (01:09:00):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
They're they're in this story. They're talking to each other
and before.

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
We know what's that saying a lie go around the
world before the truth put its pants on. And so
I'm hoping that black people and justice loving white people
who were listening to your show will will say, now
what we're questioning the official story that's been given to
us because it don't sound like the truth.

Speaker 12 (01:09:28):
I'm so glad people could also do that, because it
was it was lives from the beginning, lives from the beginning,
like the whole thing, too old white people, who does that?

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
We don't move like that. Now, how did they Where
did they arrest your daughter or did she turn herself in?

Speaker 12 (01:09:41):
They came and got her, and they just came. It
was probably like a day or two after okay, during
the day at night, during the day, Okay, they.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Kind of you know, yeah, very yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:09:53):
They yeah, and then they came in everything and they
took her out, and yeah, she was gone for nineteen
days now off of one just one little competition with
one person, because it was it's not aggravated riot what
she did, and it's not colonious assault. Her and the lady.
They neither one of them did like aggravated riot or assault.
They both fought with each other.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
I heard the prosecutor stand up at court and say
that he took at least one of the white people
before the grand jury. And then I also heard him
say that he had reached out and contacted all of
the white people who were involved. Now, he said the
reason he did it was to make sure that they
weren't out of towners. There was some question about whether
these people was from Russia or whether they was gonna Yeah,

(01:10:34):
And so I heard with my own ears him say
that he had reached out personally and talked to all
the white people who were involved in that street fight.
My question for you is, had have you ever been
contacted by Connie Pillage or anybody in her office to say, hey,
we want to see what your side of the story is.
We want to see if may not you are a

(01:10:54):
victim and you should should not be charged with any
of these crimes.

Speaker 12 (01:10:58):
No, I haven't been contact about anybody. I've been actually
trying to find people to tell her story too, you know,
because her story was just she is just put out
really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
And then that's not even her.

Speaker 12 (01:11:09):
This girl and graduated, she don't have any kids, she works,
she was at work at the at the time when
this happened.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Well, you got you got none of this. You got
a good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Lawyer, Clide Bennett, and she get on clide.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Bennett is the.

Speaker 10 (01:11:21):
Man to do it.

Speaker 12 (01:11:22):
He definitely been in has been great, Yeah, dealing with
this case plus the man.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Well, all I can do is wish you good luck
and what this. We're gonna follow this Nate. I'm glad
you he'll GetUp with Nate because he'll keep you up
to date. That's everything that's going on. Why did you
Why didn't you ever become a lawyer? Why didn't you
ever go to law school?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
I had a family and.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
Got the activist bug, and and uh got to fighting
over there on the campus, not physically fight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Yeah, then let me see.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
When I was on campus, Joe Dieters was on the
border trustees first locked horns and Joe didis was saying
a whole bunch of terrible stuff about black people. And
I was over on campus and I was saying to
my fellow students, including Samuel Burbank who's now over the
uh uh citizens complain authority, and a whole bunch of
good people in my class, and I was saying, we're students,

(01:12:22):
we can go affect him, you know. And so I
wind up doing some protests at the Board of Trustees
me and wind up getting on suspension, and then you know,
I let stuff happen and my grades went down, and uh,
they kicked me out one time, and I sat out
for a couple of months and came back and said, Okay,
I'm reformed, and uh eventually I started having kids and

(01:12:47):
got married and and uh, I just never finished my
undergrad degree in Cincinnati, and so you can't go to
law school without an undergrad degree.

Speaker 10 (01:12:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
When I was working for Ken Lawson, hopefully you did.
You you'll be over here later on time today.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
All right, Ken was in town by the way, and
so we're gonna try to get him sometime before one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
He may come. When I was working with Kenny, Kenny
used to wait, hold that thought.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Let me take a quick break. I gotta take a
break and then we'll come back. Twelve thirty the Buzz
and Lincoln Wear with you, and uh, we got Nate
Livingston in the studio and Elica Clark, Elicia Clark and
her daughter was one of these seven blacks that were
arrested in the world famous brawl. And she was in

(01:13:39):
jail nineteen days. And you have to pay you how
much bond you and you don't get and you don't
get that back.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
No man, ain't that something mister where men think about that?
Now they have to show up at court. The white
guy doesn't. They had to put money up. The white
guy hasn't. They've been arrested and kept in jail for
nineteen her daughter nineteen days. The one guy still up
in jail in Butler County. This guy has still to
this day not been arrested and in courts, and they

(01:14:08):
are running around. They might bring your buddy Sonza down
from the Department of Justice of civil rights, civil rights
violations to say the white man civil rights are violated.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
That's crazy. I hope that doesn't happen. I hope Sonsa
doesn't have to come back here for that. It's just
like her daughter had to put up that money. Her family.
I mean, think about it. These these are not family.
These aren't rich Indian ill family. They don't live out
there where you live at yeah, right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
But these are not people with cash like that laying
around that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
They're not like the Pharaoh with ten thousand dollars they
can just pull out their back pocket. So it's an
unfairness going on here. And I really do wish that
the I don't know if you got the word. But
so on the on the motion that was filed Bay
Kurt Hartman and Chris Finney, that basically went out the

(01:15:09):
window because the city agreed to release his records.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
I don't know if I mentioned the show. So they're
going to release So they're going to release all of
Alexander's records. But guess what. When I went to get this,
they said, well, these records are are what's the what's
the Marcy's law. Marcy's so you can't. I said, wait
a minute.

Speaker 7 (01:15:29):
So the reason I mentioned that is because even though
the white guys records will be available to the public,
the black people's won't. So when they do release those
videotapes and they do release all the all the evidence
that will help find them not guilty, the public won't

(01:15:51):
be able to get access to it. So it's it's,
you know, they playing all kinds of games. I really
do wish that the city would show some leadership. Now
I listen, just on my drive down here, mister were
I hope you don't mind me saying this. I ain't
trying to step on no toes or be unfriendly. Why
you know, welcome you into your home. But I heard

(01:16:13):
a guy who's running for council on one of the
white radio stations today, which number one, Why can't counsel
candidates go on white talk radio?

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
On black talk radio? They can't come.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Believe me, I ain't up there. If it were up
to me, I let them all come through here. Maybe
I need to have a schedule meeting with Dan or
somebody else. But anyway, so they were weaving this story.
I mean, they gave this guy three segments to weave
this story. Sounds like you have to be Chris Smithman.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Was that who the guy is? Yes, yes it is.

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
And so they have their story, they version of the events,
and they keep repeating them, repeating them. People hear people say, well,
I heard Chris smith He wouldn't lie. He's saying that
the chief of police in that press conference said go
arrest somebody white. They said, arrest somebody who hit somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
Is that kid?

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yep? That's King Losson. I believe him. So you want
me to you want me to wrap it up. H
We're gonna do a little break bring uh Lincoln gonna
let him in. Yeah, I mean this is like a
reunion here. We need is jay Lon.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
All the hells are here the law firm of Livingston,
lost In and Lincoln.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
But but I didn't finish this. When we went to
break and I hear you come in the room. Man,
let me tell you how how good King Lawson was
to me. King Lawson never he might go a month,
month and a half, two months, he would say, Nate,
you need to get back his school. Ain't no reason

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you shouldn't have a law degree, right, That's what I
was just telling him. I was just telling him that
you're doing these briefs. But uh, I was just too
wrapped up man, and life got the life in and
uh I just never did Ken Lawson fresh in from Hawaii.

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What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
See Nateloha aloha.

Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
Good.

Speaker 13 (01:18:29):
Yeah, I'm telling you, man, Nate. I mean it was
fun having Nate in office. I mean we we did
oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
I mean he should have been a lawyer. I'm just
telling him that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
I don't know why he didn't go ahead and finish
school get his law degreen, because he would have been
a pretty good lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
He had been the hell of a lawyer.

Speaker 13 (01:18:46):
Man. We had a lot of fun me, Nate Kirkland.
We will come up with some some legal legal theories.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Man, unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Let me tell you whatdy was serious to. Let me
take a break and then we'll come back and talk
a little more. We got Nate Livingston, Ken Lawson, Lincoln
ware and I keep Againtingrlicia Clark. Okay, I know you
got to go, but all right, we'll take a quick break.
We'll come back twelve thirty the Buzz Station, Lincoln where

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with you and none other than Ken Lawson. Kenneth L.
Lawson is in the studio with us and fresh in
from Hawaii. And uh boy, it's good to have you here.
I got you and Nate in the same day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
The miracles will never see. Man, it was good seeing
Nate again though.

Speaker 13 (01:19:35):
Man. But you know, Lincoln, I love always coming by
here and stopping buying and seeing you and you know,
catching up on things every now and then when I'm
in Hawaii, you know, just six hour time different right
right right right, and so like right now, what time
is it now? So it's almost six am in the
morning there, right, Yeah, So every now and then I'll

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catch you on Facebook and tune in and listen to
all the voices from the past.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
And by I said Cincinnati hasn't changed one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Bit, you know, that is right. And so it's like this,
you know the stuff that's going on now, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:20:13):
You know it's downtown Cincinnati racism, stuff like that, you
know what I mean, And selective prosecution, yeah, selected police
and you know, you know the politics all of it. Uh,
I mean, yeah, it just seems like it has hasn't changed,
hasn't changed at all.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
No, And you know you're good friend Iris rolely she
had a contract with the city. Now that's up in
the air, and uh.

Speaker 13 (01:20:37):
So yeah, and you know, and the police union is
still you know, and yeah, I stay in touch with
Irish and I mean that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
But you know, the police union is still being the
same bully as they have been.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
You know in the past.

Speaker 13 (01:20:50):
Right, I remember you and the fang Man, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm telling you man, they remember that time they went
to city council and they said that if they were
going to settle the collaborative agreement, it would only be
if I was no longer allowed to sue the city again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Remember that they said, I can't sue the city more.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Man.

Speaker 13 (01:21:10):
We raised all kind of reverd lynch brought the bucket
boys down there the council meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Man, it was off the hook down there. I missed
being down here racing. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
I tell you, like you said, it hasn't changed at all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Still the same city. I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
You saw the brawl all the way in the whole Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Did you see that?

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Yeah, yeah, ma'am. You know, yeah, I made national news,
you know what I mean? So yeah, I mean it
was just same thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
So you're a professor at the University of Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Now, how you like that? How you like?

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
Man?

Speaker 13 (01:21:42):
You know, I love teaching law. I'm running the Hawaiian
Stance Project. We just had an exoneration. So even though
see God works some mysterious ways, man, even though Ohio
said that we're going to try to permanently just bar
you to where you can't practice law no more, I'm
in running the Hawaiiannos's project, you know what I'm saying,

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and freeing the innocent.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Ya, you know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:22:05):
So, so you know they couldn't you know, if God
has a way, right, can't nobody else stop what you're doing?
And so we just had an exoneration and the biggest
murder rape case in Hawaiian history. And we just did
a podcast with Crime Junkies, the twelve episode podcast, and

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Manda Knox was the narrator of the case. So you'll
hear me talking about how investigated case along you know,
the lawyers that that that that work with the project
with me and stuff like that. So you know, I'm
teaching criminal law right and evidence and and and you
know all the subjects that I love. But I'm also

(01:22:47):
you know, using DNA and stuff like that to free
the people in Hawaii. Yeah, so you guys have right.
You got an Ohioson's project here, we have one in Hawaiian. Yeah,
it's at the law school.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
Do you miss being back in the courtroom and you
want to get back there.

Speaker 10 (01:23:03):
Now, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
So I'm suing.

Speaker 13 (01:23:06):
So Algertarstein and David Grier are representing me here to sue.
The state actually sued the Supreme Court of Ohio arguing
that their permanent disbarment at me violates the American with
Disabilities Act. Because you know, those of us that are

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recovering drug addicts, right and that are in recovery have
a right to continue our profession once we go through
treatment and stay sober, you know what I mean, there's
no you know, doctors.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Allowed to go back.

Speaker 13 (01:23:39):
Other lawyers in Ohio have been you know, you know,
addicted to drugs and they're still practicing, you know. And
so like I said, man to me, I didn't get
this bar for what I did. I got this bar
for who I was, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
And other states would let you practice. You can be
practicing if it was another state.

Speaker 13 (01:23:57):
I man, there's lawyers right down there now that they
did the same thing I did, just still practice.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:24:02):
But you know, like I said, you know, God has
his own plans. Because it wasn't for all this stuff,
I wouldn't ended up in Hawaiian. I wouldn't be a
tenured professor there, you know what I mean, teaching other
students how to go out and fight cases and stuff.
And I love teaching, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
And it's got to be you know, these cats coming
there with the bright eyes and telling them stuff that
they never even realized before.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
That's the fun part of it.

Speaker 13 (01:24:26):
I'm not like your other professors. I actually did something,
you know, right. The rest of these people, they just
came out of law school and they started teaching about
what they think the law is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
You know what I mean. So the students love it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
I guess people sign up for your class trying to
get in your class.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Yeah, so yeah, we have a waiting I have a
waiting liss on my class. I figure. Yeah, yeah, I
love what I'm doing. And uh, it's just been a blessing. Man,
it's just been a blessing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Now, what do you think about you were part of
the collaborative agreement. It's still going on. They're trying to
you know, trying to get it out of here, but
it's still here. So I know that's got to make
you feel good.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 13 (01:25:01):
And and I think you, like I said, the stuff
going on with IRIS, you know, to me, it's I mean,
everybody knows that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
And that's that's just And and again I think that
indicatese why should still be in place?

Speaker 13 (01:25:14):
The the arrest you know, uh uh you know uh
that that we're talking about, the braw and all that. Yeah, right,
and and and you know, the the selective police arrest
and what what we're gonna charge you with and we're
gonna help you out that still exists.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
It ain't changed.

Speaker 13 (01:25:28):
So if it hasn't changed, and there's no need to
get rid of collaborative and in fact, uh, the argument
could be made it's more uh need for it. I mean,
look compared to when the Supreme Court a few years
ago said we don't need the Voting Rights Act anymore, so.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
We're gonna get rid of it.

Speaker 13 (01:25:46):
As soon as they got rid of it, now they
double down on making voting a lot lot and they
can do it legally. You get rid of the collaborative,
you're gonna have the same type of we're gonna go
back at doing what we do. And this time y'all
got y'all gonna have to see us, and this time
we ain't gonna agree.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
We're gonna fight.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
And uh, they wouldn't have to release video, you know,
like they do now. You know, in a hurry in
so many hours they're releasing video. We're finding out stuff
like we would not be able to do without the collaborative.

Speaker 13 (01:26:18):
Right, right, you know, And and again that's that's the
reason why they wanted over with right because they don't
want this stuff to come to light.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
I tell you, uh boy, you you're tenured, your tenured
professor now. And I mean that's that's when you get
there that you got it made.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I got. I got tengured back in twenty nineteen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:26:41):
And I'm the first professor at in law school that
that has been tenured with their criminal record.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
That's why I said, man, God can't stop. You know
what I'm saying. Gee, that's look at you know. So
I gotta tell you this because uh, you talked about
you already.

Speaker 13 (01:27:01):
We talked about my adoption publicly and stuff like that before, right,
And so I'm gonna tell you something I found out
that was just crazy. Man. So most people know I
when they may not know because I've been gone for
one But I was adopted. My mother was white, she
was Italian. When my mother got pregnant with me, they
put her family put her in the Longview Mental State Institution.

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I was born in Longview Mental State Hospital. And so
back then in nineteen sixty three, the year I was born,
the adoption records were closed, which means that you know,
once you got adopted, you got a new birth certificate
and if you went back to try to you could
never find out, you know, who your.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Real parish for or anything like that.

Speaker 13 (01:27:43):
It's Ohio opened up their records I think in twenty nineteen.
So you know, like last year, I finally was like, okay,
let me go get my original birth certificate and stuff
like that. So when I found out and so they
put on my original birth certificate that my father was white.
And so my original birth certificate that has me as white.

Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
So then when my black family came to adopt me,
you know.

Speaker 13 (01:28:07):
Two years later at the orphanage, they weren't allowed to
do that because black people couldn't adopt a white baby, right,
And so my father who adopted me, ended up going
to court. And so, uh, in my in my adoption records, man,
there's a there's a judgment from a probate court judge. Okay,
there's an Amphi David, a declaration signed by the Archdiocese

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of Cincinnati who says that my father was black. Now,
how in the hell he could swear under oath that
my daddy was black? I have absolutely no his AFFI
David is in there. And then the judge ruled that
now I'm black. So I was just I thought that
I tell you the story about how I was a
white boy, that that that that I was born white
and now I'm black. They took away my white privilege.

Speaker 10 (01:28:54):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
Now did they list the name of the black father? No?

Speaker 13 (01:28:58):
No, No, they just said I was black, right, right,
right right? They just had father white on my original
black racket, right, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Yeah, unbelievable. They had me as a white baby.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
And because you know, there was people saying that your
mother dated as Charles and that you could be the
son of Ezerk Charles.

Speaker 13 (01:29:17):
When he worked at the he used to work after
he retired, he worked at a nightclub a guy named
Screw Andrews on the nightclub.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
On Covington there in Covington. Yeah, so he was the
court I think it was Newport. Yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
And you kind of looked like him on the statue.
I don't know if you've ever seen the statue down there,
but you kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Look like as a Charles.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
I don't know. Let's take a quick break.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
It will come back a

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Few more minutes here with Ken Lawson, Attorney, Ken Lawson,
twelve thirty The Buzz