The Lincoln Ware Rewind: September 9, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm still on a speeding bullet, more powerful, got a locomotive. Hey, well,
believe all buildings at a single.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Bound the sky.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's a bird Lincoln, Lincoln, Lincoln for Bingavana, BEng Gun
baby ling gun Lincoln.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
They say this cat Lincoln is a bad mother. We're
just talking about Lincoln. Good morning, Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
Welcome to twelve thirty w DVZ.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
We are the buzz of Cincinnati, your talk station, the
Lincoln Wear Show till one o'clock this afternoon. It is Tuesday,
and uh, pretty good game last night?

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Wasn't bad?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Chicago and Minnesota the Vikings there and who won the game?
I fell asleep again? I think the Vikings one. I
think I fell asleep. I really did.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
But it was okay, not a bad game. They played
at the level. I think the Bengals play the Vikings
this year. I think we played the Vikings and I
think we can beat them. Just by looking at them yesterday,
I think we can beat them. Yeah, all right, there's
a lot going on.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Where do we start? Where do we start?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Man? City council is I guess scheduled to vote tomorrow
to give police another five million dollars. Yeah, to fight crime.
We need to fix it right now. And I kind

(02:04):
of agree with Scottie Johnson. I don't know if throwing
money at this is gonna fix it. I don't know
if throwing money is gonna get people to join the
Cincinnati Police Department.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
I just don't know. I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Okay, So Minnesota one, Okay, thank you Taja Gibson.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
But I don't know. It's uh five point four million?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Now are we?

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Where's all this money coming from? You know?

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Is this gonna throw the city into a big deficit?

Speaker 5 (02:49):
What is this?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
You know, money they had extra from the railroad money,
I mean money that they saved that they didn't have
to spend because of the railroad money. I'll ask the
mayor that question when he comes in here in a
couple of weeks. Yeah, you'll be here in a couple
of weeks. But man, they just last week, a few

(03:13):
weeks ago, there was what a million or so?

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Now it's another fight, man, And Okay, I guess the
governor is coming with his big plan.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I did see three State Patrol Highway State patrol members
have it had three people pulled over between Fighter Road
and downtown.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
How is that fighting crime?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
That's just that's taking money from citizens for you know,
minor infractions.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
I don't know what the people were doing. It's hard
for me to say they were.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Speeding with all the traffic out there, So maybe they
were on the phone, license expired, license plate expired, or something.
I'm not sure what they had him pulled over for,
but it couldn't have been speeding. But that's the first
time I've ever seen three people pulled over in the
south South seventy one at that time of morning between

(04:18):
Fifer and downtown. How was that fighting crime? And I
guess some of the people will be uh, they'll be
in here, maybe undercover. I don't know what this whole
plan that the governor has that's worked in other cities,

(04:41):
and I'm offering it to Cincinnati, and see, he's just
not offering it's gonna be a cost.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
That's something we gotta pay for. It's something I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
He's been awfully nice offering all this stuff to the
city of Cincinnati. Kind of skeptical on how nice the
governor seems to be a little skeptical. The sister of

(05:14):
the young lady that was killed in Millville. She wants
justice for her sister. And I saw the woman who
shot her. She was in court yesterday, and I guess
she has to go back to court on the eleventh.
She ended up plea of not guilty. She's crying self defense.

(05:37):
But man, two young ladies had a relationship and somebody
got mad about something.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
The woman who did the shooting looked like maybe she
was sort of in charge of the situation, if you
know what I mean. She looked like maybe she was
the head there, head of the household.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
There was no household, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
The secret grand jury testimony could be released in Cincinnati
on the brawl case. Clyde Bennett, he says he wants
people to see what really happened at the grand jury,
and he wants the people to see what's really going
on in the Hamilton County court system.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
That's what Clyde Bennett said.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, he says he needs the secret grand jury testimony
to properly defend his client. And we heard her mother
in here yesterday with Nate Livingston. Yeah, and she hasn't

(06:52):
been convicted of anything yet, but the landlord of the
mother is making her move seemed like she might have
a case against that. I mean, the person hasn't been
convicted yet, just charged.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
And.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
She wants the woman to move out of the apartment.
The landlord wants her to move out, So what can
you say. Clyde Bennet said he has filed emotion to
dismiss the case based on selective prosecution of the law.

(07:32):
My claim is that my client is being unconstitutionally charged
because she is black. Because she's black. He may have
something there, so we'll see. The FBI is searching for
a woman man accused of stealing thirty four million dollars

(07:55):
in COVID relief funds. Thirty four million dollars. She's not
a bad looking young lady either.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Elaine Esco.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
She stole thirty four million dollars in COVID relief funds.
If she stole that much, she's hiding pretty good. If
she stole thirty four million, she's hiding real good. If
she had a passport, guess what, she's probably not even
in the United States. But how did she get that

(08:29):
money out of the country without putting it in the
bank or something. I'm not sure how that happened. If
she's out of the country, she still could be hiding
away real well. Even if she's in the country. With
thirty four million, you can do a lot of hiding
yet you can. Oh boy, she's only five four weighs,

(08:51):
one hundred and fifty pounds, black hair, brown eyes, tattoos
on her left wrist, on a stomach, and on the
right shoulder. Yeah. So she's living a life right now
while she's free.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
But if they ever catch her, she'll never see the
light of day again. Oh boy.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Uh. The NFL has banned that fan for shoving uh
DeAndre Hopkins and Lamar Jackson at the game. They've banned
him from any games in the country, any NFL games anywhere.
He's totally banned. He will not see another NFL game
and lets it's on TV.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah, so there you have it. I mean, he really
did give Lamar a good shove, but Lamar the first.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Guy he took it. He just kept going. He was
so happy that he scored the touchdown. Lamar Jackson, he
just threw the touchdown. He wasn't as happy as the
guy who caught the ball and scored the touchdown.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
So when the guy shoved him, he like, what.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
The what you fool. He shoved me back, and now
he says he's sorry he did it. I wouldn't apologize.
The guy had no business doing that to Lamar.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
So and have you seen.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
This this letter that Trump signed for the birthday book
of Epstein.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
That is Trump's writing. I don't care.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
And he only signed his first name, but it looks
just like the writing on all these amendments and stuff
he's signing. It looks just like that. That is his nobody.
I've never seen anybody else write like that. That is
Trump's signature. I don't care what talking about his little

(10:55):
secret that he has with Epstein, his little secret they have.
I wonder what was the secret, But that is Trump's handwriting.
I don't care what. Yeah, that is his writing. See

(11:16):
what else we have here? Oh man?

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Of course, the wine.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Meet with city leaders about the crime reduction partnership. So
we have offered them help for the Highway Patrol to
come in and have a bigger presence Highway patrols aviation
unit and troopers helping with traffic enforcement to free up

(11:46):
CPD officers. Yeah, I just I mean, you didn't see
that many cops out there on the interstates anyway. I
just I don't know. This whole thing is a little skeptical.
I'm a little skeptical of this whole Mister nice governor
stuff wants to end crime after only after some white

(12:09):
people got beat up downtown Cincinnati. Only afterwards. And I'm
telling you, none of this would be going on if
they were all black folks and a black lady got
knocked out cold and a black man got stumped and
everything by other black people. There would be no outcry

(12:30):
on this. It wouldn't have gone national. I'm telling you,
only because the people were white and they were beat
up by black people that were getting all this extra
eye attention. You know, we're gonna get the state troopers
in here. We're gonna give the police five million dollars

(12:53):
to fight crime. We can't have white folks getting beat up.
But they say nothing about the thirty eight herders that
we had even before this. Nothing nothing, And thanks for
the shout out Signal ninety nine. Signal ninety nine gave
me a little shout out there. We don't agree with

(13:15):
your views, but you are fair and you let people
express themselves. That's what they said on signal ninety nine.
And they were getting on Cecil Thomas's case too. I'll
find out. I'll find what they said about Cecil and yeah,

(13:37):
but anyway, they don't agree with my views, but they
liked the show, So Signal ninety nine.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Keep listening, and tell.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
All your good old boys out there to keep listening
to the good old boys. You know who they are.
All right, let's take a break, we'll come back. We
got Miss Nettie. And I never didn't get to Miss
Nettie yesterday. I didn't get to her. I had so
many people come in at Nate coming in, Ken Lawson
came in, and I just didn't get to Miss Nettie yesterday.

(14:06):
But I guarantee you I'll get to her today after
Crime Stoppers. Let's take a break. Twelve thirty the Buzz
Talk station, and I thought the War and Treaty. I
think they should do a Marvin Gay and Tammy Terrell tune.
I think they would be perfect to do one of

(14:27):
their songs. And I had if I had had a
chance to talk to him on Saturday night, I would
have told, hey, you guys should try doing a Marvin
Gay and Tammy Terrell.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
But I didn't get a chance to talk.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
To him, how come you didn't get a chance to
I mean, you were cutting in line from.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Everybody, and that's why I wanted to get out there
to get my car before there was a line. But
the line got there before.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
You could have just busted into that dressing room saying
I got questions for you, no security, I'm linking ware
and I have questions. That's what you should have done.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
No, no, no, but uh oh, by the way, I
was talking to the people on face book Live. I
finally saw the guy who had his kids at the
game and the player hit a home run. The father
runs over there, picks up the ball before the lady
gets it. He brings the ball back and gives it
to his son. Then the lady comes over there and

(15:17):
starts cursing him out, yelling at him, and he just
like cow down to the lady and gave the ball back,
and you know, I'm like, come on, dude, you got
you gotta be better than that. Anyway, turns out that
the kid people other people saw it, and he ended
up going that they gave him a big bag of stuff.
Then he ended up going down to the locker room

(15:38):
getting the bat sign and a ball sign and everything.
So he made out okay, But I thought the father
could have stood up a little bit more to that woman.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
She was definitely a Karen who came over there.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
Well he wasn't a manly man, but he was a
better man.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
How about that?

Speaker 8 (15:55):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
I this stot he just cow and the way his movements,
it was like she's scared him. You know, he was
afraid of her. I'm like, okay, come on, dude, all right,
let's go downtown to the crime stop her headquarters and
check in with our good friend, Detective Tiffany Green. Now,
if I had got a ball and Tiffany Green came
over and asked for the ball, I would have easily

(16:17):
given that ball up without any fussing or fighting.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
To Tiffany Green, how you doing today?

Speaker 9 (16:22):
So mourning?

Speaker 10 (16:24):
Well, thank you because you have.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
That side piece on you and so I'm not gonna
mess with you.

Speaker 11 (16:30):
I would have.

Speaker 10 (16:30):
Never did a look kid like that.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
That was horrible. That was horrible.

Speaker 10 (16:35):
That was pretty rude of her.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes, yes, yes, who are we looking for today?

Speaker 10 (16:40):
Cincinnati Police District four is looking for Jay Clothes Fraggins.
Mister Spraggins is wanted for felony, strangulation and misumeanor assault.
On August twenty six, twenty twenty five, during a physical altercation,
mister Spraggan strust the victim in the face and choked her,
making it difficult for the victim to breathe. He Quells
Fragans is a male black twenty three years old. He's

(17:03):
six foot and one hundred and twenty pounds. Jack Quell
Spragans has a history of carrying can sell weapons and
last known to live on Hebren Court in Spree Rough Village.
Cameron Bowling is wanted by the Ohio Adult Pole Authority
for a felony parole violation. Mister Bowling was originally charged
with the Easy Goals manufacturer of drugs. Cameron Bowling is

(17:26):
a forty year old white male six two and two
hundred and seven pounds. Cameron Bowling has a history of
drug charges and was last known to frequent the Adam County,
Ohio area listeners. If anyone has information on where police
can prime Jack Quells Fragance or Cameron Bowling, please call
crime Stoppers at five point three thirty five two thirty

(17:49):
forty or submitted tips online at crime deask stoppers dot us.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Are all right three, five, two, forty night or day
cash money for your clues and we'll talk to you tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
All right.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
That's a detective Tiffany Green. And she even said that
was horrible what that lady did. It was horrible, But
like I said, the father ended up in the long run,
I guess doing the right thing. He did the right
I'm not knocking him for doing the right thing, but
it's just the way he did it. Okay, okay, oh boy.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
All right. Day two and we still haven't heard from
Lady C. Still haven't heard from Lady C.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
On the date.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
She's still on that meet Koma.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
If you know what I mean, I don't know, Oh boy,
I don't know what you mean. I have no idea
what you mean.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Let's go to my good friend out in Lincoln Heights,
Miss nd Yes, beautiful Lincoln Height, lady.

Speaker 12 (19:00):
Of Walking Talk first Lady Yes, Walking Talk, Sharon Ware Yes.
And then to her beautiful husband.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Oh boy, Lincoln Way, Oh boy.

Speaker 12 (19:11):
And for the real Terrence Howard.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
I want to.

Speaker 12 (19:15):
Listen to your show is on Sunday, Yes on the
Oh my god, on one old three. Yes, Yes, thank
you baby, thank you so much. Yes, I want to
send a shout out to Ken and Bobby Lawson, Yes, okay,
and in here, and I want to send a shout

(19:39):
out to Imaen and to me.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (19:44):
Em Danuel Live, we dump that?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Can we dump that?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Okay?

Speaker 12 (19:48):
Don't dump that?

Speaker 5 (19:50):
I think I'm gonna dump that.

Speaker 13 (19:51):
Why go ahead?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Go ahead?

Speaker 12 (19:54):
And Nathan Living since Yes, Dad was a delight to know. Yes,
and added jan Brown. My cousins took me up at
the church. Okay, he was there. And I just want
to send a shout out to Craig White. Craig oh boy, Oh, yes,
I want to send a shout out he thought about

(20:15):
Miss Nettie and yeah, I know what.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
He's always thinking about you. And there's a pilot by
the name of uh.

Speaker 12 (20:23):
Well, I don't need to know his name, but I
thank him so much for wanting to send me a
hat that I got on my Bengals cap now, yes,
dig it, okay, And I want to send a shout
out to them. Oh, they are so precious to me.
And the white Lion, hi baby, and.

Speaker 14 (20:45):
To black lions.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
Oh.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
But I want everybody to tune over to the real
Terrence Howard. He's got to show on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
Yes, okay, and I want it boring.

Speaker 12 (21:02):
It's not boring, don start that. And I want to
send my love out to everyone out.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yes all right, thank.

Speaker 12 (21:10):
Y'all so much. And I think first lady and I thank.

Speaker 15 (21:13):
You, Yes all right.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Is anybody did she leave anybody out? She
thanked everybody in the world. I hope she didn't leave
anybody out because she loves everybody, and everybody loves miss Neddie. Unbelievable.

(21:39):
Can you dig it?

Speaker 5 (21:41):
All right? Let's go to Margie Hey, Margie.

Speaker 11 (21:43):
Good morning, Good. I just wanted to say it was
good to hear Kenneth Lawton on the phone yesterday. I
didn't get to hear your morning show. I heard the rerun.
It was funny. When I looked at my phone, I
got a phone call and the name on it was
Kenneth's Loss and I didn't answer it and all. But

(22:06):
it was just strange that that morning Kenneth low on
the show in the evening.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Well do you? Does he have your number? No?

Speaker 11 (22:17):
It was just so strange.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
That's kind of grat.

Speaker 11 (22:23):
You know, when I get a call do you? It
was so funny when I turned on your show with
you know, around four, and he was on, and that's weird.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
That is weird.

Speaker 11 (22:38):
But I'm so glad that he's doing well. Yes, okay,
thank you, all.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Right, thanks for your call.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
All right.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
That he's kind of strange. And I'm looking at Donald
Trump's signature to the birth on the birthday letter that
he's denying that, and then they compared it to another
signature of Donald Trump and it looks just the same.
So yeah, the cats out of the bag, Donald Trump,
the cats out of the bag. That is your signature,

(23:08):
and you can't deny it. Maybe we'll get it analyzed
by the FB. I wink wink, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Oh no, that's not no, the signatures don't match.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Right, let's take a break and then we'll come back
five one three, your talk station. And yes, Rosemary from
Rosemary's Baby is running for Congress. Yeah, she's running for

(23:47):
Congress as a Republican. And will she get out of
the primary. I'm not sure who else the Republican is
going to run in the primary to go after Greg Landsman.
So we'll see what happens. But I hope she finds

(24:12):
out sooner rather than later. How those Republicans really feel
about a black woman trying to go to Congress here
in this district. They're never gonna let it happen. But
we'll see, we will see. All right, let's go to Izzy, Izzy.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
How you doing, Hey, Link, I'm doing good. Brother again,
I say, they hope that listening audience, and you are
doing well, doing great now, Lincoln, I've seen what happened
at that ball game. Differently. I saw where the guy
when the ball was in the air, he left his

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seat and ran to where the ball landed with the intentions.

Speaker 15 (24:58):
Of getting the ball. Said.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
This is just my opinion. This is how I interpret
what I say.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Keep going.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
And the lady was searching for the ball for her family,
and the man came all the way over to where
she was while she was looking for it and snatched
the ball up. Okay, Now, a gentleman would have either
handed her the ball or while he saw her looking

(25:31):
for the ball, just backed up.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
If you got kids, you know she had kids.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
It's every man for every man, or woman for themselves.
If they don't catch the ball, you know, if they
don't catch the ball on a fly, that ball is
bouncing around and stuff.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
It's anybody's ball.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
Okay, now, let me just draw a different picture, because
this is white man in his world, where with us,
no matter how hard we searched for success, but the
closer we get to success, they'll come and snatch it
out of our hands. And that's what I do like Pharaoh,

(26:17):
because Pharaoh has the ego that a lot of us
need to have, that I even need to have, because
you're not gonna make Pharaoh wrong, You're not gonna make
him feel bad about what he thinks.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Well, let me tell you this. Pharaoh will probably say
this too. If that had been a black woman that
came over cussing and asking for that ball back, do
you think that white man would have given that black
lady the ball.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
She had been arrested.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what would happen. She wouldn't
have gotten the ball. I can guarantee you, frightened or not,
he was not gonna give that black woman a ball
like he gave it to the white woman.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Here's what I'm trying to say. And all of the
communities across this country where black people rose up from
all of the hatreds that they had to face and
all of the issues that were put in front of them,
the obstacles, they still rose to the top. And white people,

(27:23):
their neighbors got so angry they came and snatched it.
You think he would have snatched that from Pharaoh like that.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
He didn't. But look, look, when that ball is loose,
everybody goes for the ball. I've seen people both people
grabbed the ball at the same time, and it's snatching it,
trying to get it.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
I've seen that before.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Unless you catch the ball on a fly or on
a bounce, and it bounce right to you and you
catch it. But if that ball is on that floor,
on the ground there, rolling around between seats, it's anybody's ball.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
It was in the seat, and she was she pretty
much had her hands on it. Giving you my opinion.
But it's not only that, Lincoln, but this is how
the white man operates. He will take it from you,
as he has taken away every opportunity that we created

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for ourselves and our families and every situation in America,
he comes and snatches it. That's what's happening right now.
Black women are now four point seven percent unemployment rate.
He has come against and snatched. Yes, what we have
worked for so That's why I'm saying what I've seen

(28:41):
in him is typical of what I see in white
men in America, that even with women period, they will snatch.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
But I didn't see it like that. I thought his
biggest fault was giving it up so easy.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
And that's the way you interpreted from what you saw,
and most people did. But all I'm saying is I
like Pharaoh's mentality of being strong and being tough upon
the white man because every chance that they get to
snatch that ball out of our hand, they have taken it,

(29:22):
and they're taking it now.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
All right.

Speaker 9 (29:24):
That's why I say that we should.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Have we should not get it, we should not give
it back. All right, I gotta GOI I hear you, lady,
thanks for your call. And these people on Facebook live,
Shabazulu city manager snatched income out of the food truck entrepreneurs,
but Lincoln won't discuss that.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
Huh okay.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
First of all, my guest yesterday, my first guest I
had yesterday, was a food truck owner, and we talked
about it. And I'm going to get the city manager
in here at the end of the week to talk
about it. But we talked about it yesterday I had

(30:08):
Max from we do barbecue. He's got several trucks out downtown.
So I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You just say stuff to say stuff, and I don't
want to say stuff.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
I want to say the other word you say, you
know what to say?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
You know what? Oh my god, jeez, I tell you,
oh man.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Talk about stuff, you know. Shahbazulu geez.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
All right? Five one, three, seven, four, nine, twelve thirty.
The UH governor will joined state and local officials today
where they plan to announce those new partnerships are preventing
violent crime. Then I saw where all the sheriffs and

(31:10):
all these little townships around are coming together, the police chiefs.
I guess of you know, all the little you know,
co Raine and North College Hill and all these places
are surrounding Cincinnati. They're coming together about the violence, about
the brawl, you know, or how to cut I was like.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
I tell you, if you want to get things.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Done, just beat up some white people and everybody. Money
comes from everywhere, you know what I mean. Money is
flowing like I don't know what. Because white folks got
beat up in downtown Cincinnati. Money's flowing governor's coming to town.
The senator, you had senator talking smack? Where was this

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talk last year? Where was this talk in April? We
had a lot of homicides April, May and June.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Where was all this talk?

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Then? I bet you in April, if you had brought
up giving the police five million dollars for safety, they
would have laughed at you. They would have laughed at you.
If you had brought up saying let's give police another

(32:35):
five million dollars and a safety plan to cut down
on violence, they would have laughed. Because a white Russian
got stomped and beat Hollywood Holly got knocked out. Then,
money and resources and stuff comes from everywhere. Why does

(33:00):
something like that has to happen for all this to happen?
Can somebody please answer that? At five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
twelve thirty. I just don't understand. They would have laughed
at any councilman in June if they had brought up

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giving the police another five million dollars, they would have
been laughed off.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Council.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Why now theroh may have been right, you don't put
your hands on a white person.

Speaker 16 (33:45):
Where are the white women at.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
It's crazy let's take a break five one three, seven,
four nine twelve thirty. Oh, before we go to break,
I've got a pair of tickets to see the Preservation
Hall the presentation Haul Jazz and Band. Yeah, the Preservation
Haul Jazz and Band A Creole Christmas is gonna take
place at the TAF Theater December eleventh. Yes, and if

(34:10):
you want a chance to win, be calling number four
right now at five one three seven four nine one
two three zero. Caller four at five to one three seven,
four nine, twelve thirty. If you call A four, the
tickets are yours. Let's take a break twelve thirty the
buzz coler. I was supposed to take the fourth caller,

(34:31):
and so we'll do it now. You call A one.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
I'm looking for for number four.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
You call her two.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
I'm looking for number four.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
You call her three. I'm looking for number four. Sorry
about you. Look you were so close. You call her
number four. What's your name?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Hello, Barbara?

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Barbara? Well, congratulations, Barbara, you just won yourself a pair
of tickets to see the Preservation Haul Jazz Band a
Creole Christmas. And that's gonna take place at the TAF
Theater on December eleventh.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
How about that?

Speaker 8 (35:01):
All right?

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Thank you where you're calling from?

Speaker 17 (35:03):
Evanston?

Speaker 4 (35:05):
No good, old Evanston. All right, what station just made
you a winner?

Speaker 5 (35:10):
All right?

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Hold on, there you go, there you go. And before
the break, I was talking about how you know we
had one little fight downtown that involves white folks and
resources and money comes from everywhere.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Oh boy, we do whatever you want us to do.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
We can't have white folks getting beat up in downtown Cincinnati.
And when was it back in June? Was it April
or June? I think the chief asked for a half
million dollars. She needed some more money for overtime, and
she all she asked, They gave her like a million,

(35:55):
a million and a half, A million and a half
are more than that. Unbelievable, unbelievable. It's just crazy how

(36:16):
one incident and the color of the people, what a
difference that makes. But I'm telling you, if they had
been just all black folks scrapping down there, black woman
gets knocked out, black man gets stumped and beat we

(36:38):
would not be talking about this right now. They would
laugh at any city councilman who would say five million
dollars for safety. They would laugh them off of city
council that says something about the city of Since what

(37:05):
does that tell you? And the streets of Cincinnati are safe,
and white folks know that it's safe. They find a
cup one here, one there, who you know, they find
a few Karen's out there to get on and say
it's not safe. But if the average white person you

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talk to will tell you the city of Cincinnati is safe,
you don't even have to take their word for it.
Just go downtown on a Saturday night, Friday night when
the Reds are playing, when FC Cincinnati is playing, and
there's people going back and forth all downtown over the Rhine,
not a care in the world, having a good time,

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eating at restaurants and all this stuff. We don't need
the state Patrol to take off extra duty from the cops.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Are white people fighting each other? On that same night,
there were a couple of groups of yeah, yeah, so
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
But same they were the same color. You know, they
were white folks beating white folks. But when you have
black folks beating white folks, it's a whole new ball game.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
Well, Nate Leverson nailed it yesterday when he said It's
basically they're trying to make it so that they when
they go to the polls, they vote for.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Some strong Republicans. Yes, yes, clean up the city the plan,
that's the plan. That's the plan. They scare them to death,
and then they roll out the people that's gonna come
to their rescue. Scare them to death. Oh boy, Bill
Kenningham is doing a great job at scaring white people
over there. I just want to take my radio and

(38:50):
twist the knob ball. He makes me so mad. And
he claims he wants to come on the show here,
and but he claims he does, but he's always, oh,
I can't make it. I got this, I got that.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
But he claims he's coming on the scare Now.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
He's gonna try to scare black folks like it's not
safe to go downtown. That's what he'll try to do.
All right, let's go to suitcase suitcase.

Speaker 17 (39:22):
How you doing, Hey, I'm doing well. How about yourself?

Speaker 4 (39:26):
I'm hanging in there.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
What's up?

Speaker 17 (39:28):
Not much? I was just listening to you. You showed
this morning, and you know, propaganda is perpetrated by the
government and the news on certain items that they're trying
to illustrate and push forth on. So sometimes you can't
listen today. You gotta multiple sources on some of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Well, yep, you're right. I mean, you see it right
before your eyes suitcase.

Speaker 17 (39:54):
Yeah, and now I was talking. I wanted to talk
about that thing you're talking about earlier with the baseball off.

Speaker 13 (40:00):
With the guy and the lady.

Speaker 17 (40:02):
Sometimes when you when you got your children with you,
sometimes you just have teachable moments and and and for
that guy, that probably was a teachable moment to let
him know how ignorant others are when you out in public,
because everybody knows when you go to like a football game,
baseball game, and so forth, you know, it's all included

(40:25):
in the package that you pay that you may be
able to pick up, you know, additional items, I say,
a football player throw a football into the stand or
but you know, all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Been All people scraped to get those things, and whoever
comes up with it, that's who it belongs to.

Speaker 17 (40:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean so, I mean, you know, like
I said, if I was a guy, I probably would
have did the same thing, because, like I said, it's
a teachable moment. And you out with your kids and
stuff like that. You don't really want to get ignorant
with somebody that's you know, you know over a couple
of you know, like a baseball or something like that.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, but you know, every kid wants a ball at
a game. A lot of kids even bring their gloves
in hopes that they don't catch a ball. And they
were sitting over in the home run area where a
left hander would hit a home run.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
That's where it's going. And you got a chance to
get your kid a.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Ball, you get it, and then you let some white
woman come up and bully you in the giving it
back there, giving it time.

Speaker 17 (41:27):
Yeah, but you know, at the end of the day,
like I said, it's a teachable moment.

Speaker 8 (41:32):
You know.

Speaker 13 (41:32):
And plus you know he came out that the child came.

Speaker 17 (41:37):
Out head by getting additional stuff. So I mean, at
the end of the day, it was a teachable moment
because you know, the dad was was the better person
in the in the in the confrontation, and and then
the child benefited from it. So I mean, what more
can you ask for?

Speaker 8 (41:55):
You know?

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Yeah, well, yeah, I hear you, I hear you, But
like I say, I don't know if I would have
given it up that easy, even though it was a
teachable moment. You say, uh, and that way, what did
you teach the kids? If somebody comes over yell and
curse at you give them whatever they want, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 17 (42:15):
Without you know, at the use of the day. You know,
some sometimes situations aren't worth you know, fighting for, you know,
and so you know the dad, you know, I, like
I said, I would have gave it to her, Not
not so much because.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
She's white, right, And it's easy to sit here now
and say that to case you would.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Have given it to her.

Speaker 13 (42:40):
I've been in other situations and sometimes you have to
you know, use uh. You know, everybody not an adult,
even though you may be an adult in age maturity wise.

Speaker 17 (42:54):
You may not be. And I just think if I
had my kids some what you know, I you know,
I wouldn't want to show you know, how ignorant I
could really get too, so, you know, stepping out to
another person level. So I think like he made a
higher move in keeping you know, his com and just

(43:15):
saying okay, you can have it. You know what I'm saying.
I ain't a word about it, you know what I'm saying.
And like I said, it's to some degree, you can
argue that. But you know, had he been you know,
by himself, that that's another incident. I'd have been been
like no, no, But you know, when you're out with
your kids, you won't, you won't, you know, good situations,

(43:37):
you know.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Well, I don't know. I go to games and and uh,
the last game I went to, I think my granddaughter
was there, and if I had gotten a foul ball,
she don't care anything about baseball. She probably would have
wanted me to give it back to the lady. I
don't know, but uh, I'm telling you, I wouldn't have
given the ball up like that. That's just me. Uh

(43:57):
you know, maybe it's the Marine Corps in me, but
I would be just giving it up like that my
kids right there.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
I got it for the kids, and she's gonna curse
me out and stuff like that. So I don't know.

Speaker 13 (44:10):
Hey, And the last thing, quickly, I.

Speaker 17 (44:12):
Gotta run the guy that spoke earlier about talking about
the differences between white and black people, I think that,
you know, I look for the heavens of gloves to
give me my blessing and not from another person. So
you know, him saying that about you know, white people
are black people looking for them to benefit you Like,

(44:35):
I don't even be looking for that. At the end
of the day, once I say my blessing, you know,
you know what's for me is what for me?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, I gotta go.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Thanks for your called suitcase. We've got news coming up
twelve thirty the Buzz Ork talk station and in the
studio with me, we got the mister Elwood Jones is
in the studio, David hind and Jay Clark with us
and attorneys for Elwood And uh, where do we stand now?
I mean I had the Uh, who's I at the

(45:05):
prosecutor on the other day, And it's pretty much like
she's gonna wait till the Supreme Court State Supreme Court
does anything before she does anything.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Now, can't she just go ahead and dismiss this and
it'll call it a day and be done with it.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Can that happen?

Speaker 18 (45:20):
She absolutely has the power to dismiss.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
It, even though it's at the Supreme Court, as.

Speaker 18 (45:25):
The as the elected prosecutor in Hamblin County, it's that's
her her domain and she has the responsibility if she
thinks it's not proper to dismiss it.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yes, yes, so she could just end it today. She
going it to wow.

Speaker 8 (45:40):
Uh and uh.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
I talked to Ken Lawson yesterday and he was talking
about how the evidence suddenly appeared in the trunk of
Ellwood's a car there, and uh, how you know it
can't be explained And you know, there's a lot of
stuff that's I'm not quite right about this whole There's
a lot.

Speaker 18 (46:00):
That's not right about it. And most of it comes
back to the initial prosecutorial misconduct when they didn't disclose
all that expulpatory evidence to the original defense team. But
with respect to the pendit itself, with the Court of
Appeals decision from ten days ago, two weeks ago, whatever
it is, that pendit is no longer an issue because
in the event there would ever be a retrial, the

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witness who found that pendant is not available. His testimony
has been excluded and they have no way to introduce
that pendit ind evidence.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
M Man, I tell you, So where do we stand now?
What are we waiting on now? Just it's a waiting game,
waiting on the Supreme Court or what?

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (46:40):
I mean, as Jay said, they could they could drop
the charges today. So we're we're waiting on the prosecutors
to do the right thing. The prosecutors are saying that
they're waiting on the Supreme Court to make a decision
on this really minor or narrow procedural point that just
doesn't it doesn't matter to Elwood.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Frankly, Yeah, yeah, okay, So boy, I tell you, I
think it's the fact that they don't want to look
like they were wrong, like they did something wrong.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
That's where it stands now to me, That's what I believe.

Speaker 16 (47:10):
Yeah, I mean, you know what's interesting about all this
is that when we had our hearing in August of
twenty twenty two, one of the prosecutors who attended the
hearing for the state was also one of the prosecutors
who tried Elwood in nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
At the same time.

Speaker 16 (47:27):
You know, Connie Pillach, she's not responsible for what happened
in nineteen ninety six. That wasn't her fault, right, right,
But she is the elected prosecutor now and it is
her responsibility to do something about it, and thus far hasn't.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Man So, Elwood, I know you just waiting waiting to
get word from the Supreme Court or the prosecutor's office.
I had her on the show, and it just seemed
like she's gonna wait to hear from the Supreme Court.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Well, even if she wait for Supreme Court, even if
she wait owned the Supreme Court. What I want to
see her do is do what she campaigned on, clearing
that office, cleaning that office out. SCEP Tiger was on
this case from day one. He's wanted the prosecutors withheld
that evidence. She campaigned said she would get all the.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Rodding apples at office.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
She got him as a lead prosecutor in the office
right now to help train in others.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
What is he train now? That's not good.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
It's like the fox guarding the hen house. Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
So and he's the only one that still let yeah, okay,
Pat mob retired.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Didis is at the Supreme Court, which is not good?
And then he needs to recuse himself in this case.
He did okay, okay.

Speaker 18 (48:50):
It's kind of a unique process how that works with
your hu Supreme Court. But he did ultimately refuse himself
and is not participating in the case. He still got
an office there and colleagues on the court, but he's
not participating.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Ye, I'm still can be in the pie. Yeah, right right, right, right, man?
So I mean you are you, can you get a job?
Can you do anything? I even spoke to you about that.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
In fact, I was just up at the South Bash
and on they asked them about a job today.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Got no, Uh did you try City Link? I haven't
been down there.

Speaker 13 (49:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
And the big issue with that, mister ware And like
I told a few other people, that's a program they
do for second you know, second chance. I'm not asking
for a second chance. I didn't get my first chance.
I didn't do nothing wrong. Yeah, right right, So I'm
not for me to go down there and submit. I'm

(49:48):
submitting not neath them terms. And I've done nothing wrong,
right right right, unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
So yeah, I meant, you're out of jail, but you
gotta you gotta live, you know, and.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
They've got you in limbo, you know. Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
I mean, And for people who don't know the whole case,
just give us a recap of your whole case and
how long you stayed in jail for people may not
be familiar with it.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I got wrestling in ninety five. This case took place
in ninety four at MBC Swite. I was working out
at the embassy Switeen woman died in her room. Somebody
beat her. And a year later I got a rest
and they said they had found this piece of jewelry

(50:32):
in my car, and they rested me and they started
processing for a trial to come in and ask me
to take a plead, and I tell him please for
what I ain't done nothing. I went on the trial.
I was found guilty, and from that day for it,
I've been trying to get my life back, fighting every
time uphill down here.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
And how many jail the days did how many yearsually
spend in jail?

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I spent twenty seven and twenty seven years, jez.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
And so, man, I tell you, so, you just in
limbo can't get a job. It's just I mean, it
shouldn't take this long after you've been in jail that long.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
They should try to speed things up a little bit,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
It's just not fair.

Speaker 18 (51:17):
And what was interesting about trying to speed it up? Yeah,
case in your High Supreme Court. The briefing was finished
in March of twenty three, No.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Twenty twenty four.

Speaker 16 (51:28):
The briefing was finished in March of twenty twenty four,
and the Supreme Courts I think it's their guidelines indicate
that you should have an oral argument on any briefing
within two to four months of the briefing being concluded.
We got to like July and we hadn't even been
notified of a hearing. So we filed a motion and
said can we get a hearing? And we're told no.

(51:49):
And then I think it was like the week after
the election when the composition of the court changed, that
they set it for oral argument in February. This appeal
that's in the Supreme Court has been there since December
of twenty three. They accept the jurisdiction December of twenty
twenty three. And I mean Elwood. You know, we had
our hearing on Ellwood's motion for new trial in August

(52:12):
of twenty twenty two. Judge Cross granted that. In December
of twenty twenty two, we're coming up on three years
since she let him out of jail. And he's, as
you said, you know, after sitting for twenty seven and
a half years, they've made him wait for another three years.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
It's just like another he's just like he's been in
jail for thirty years. That's right, Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
ibelievable and by the way, Kate Lawson said that pendon
that was found in his trunk was right there and
as soon as you opened the trunk you would see it.
So why would you if you had something like that,
why would you put it there instead of hiding it
somewhere out of it? As soon as you open the trunk.

Speaker 16 (52:45):
There was well, and it's even worse than that, right
because when you look at some of the Brady materials
that they've disclosed, it's allegedly right there when you open
the trunk. Except that we now know what they didn't
tell Elwood and his council back in nineteen ninety six
is that like five different people searched that car for
forensic evidence. They were they were looking for hairs and
drops of blood, but apparently nobody saw this thing after

(53:08):
searching it for hours until the officer goes back by
himself and then lo and behold, they finds this.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
That's that's just when you look at that, you get that.
And then when they did the DNN, they send it
the sail mark. When the sale mark come back. In
May of ninety five, Chief of Police uh Mike Allen
got On did Odd called and paype saying that someone
don't come forward soon, we're gonna have to put this

(53:38):
case on the chef until we find something.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Well, at that time, according to them, you had that.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
Yeah, for a year before they filed any charge.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 18 (53:50):
I mean if they say that, the deception about the
pennant is even worse. At trial, in the closing argument,
Mark pete Meyer argued to the jury that we didn't
have fingerprints, we don't have forensic evenance. We've got something better.
We've got this unique, one of a kind pendit that
I'm sure when Elwood took it he didn't know it

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was unique in one of a made a big deal.

Speaker 10 (54:12):
But being one of a kind.

Speaker 18 (54:13):
What we didn't find out until the habeas Blue Ash
police went to New York I think two or three
weeks after miss Nathan was killed.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Yeah, they went on the fifteen, Yeah.

Speaker 18 (54:25):
Met with her family and we're told that's not unique.
And what they had believed was that the pennant was
made from some relative's wedding rings, like your grandmother and
grandfather's wedding rings. They called the other brother and he said, oh, no,
I have those rings. He bought that In the Bronx somewhere.

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So two or three weeks after this they have that information,
they don't disclose it to the defense, and.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Then they argue that it's a unique, one of a
kind pendit what.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
It's a little bit more also in there when you
look at and you read the notes in there, Ballant
Nathan clearly told Stoke Schaefer, that's not my mother's right.

Speaker 18 (55:06):
Yeah, he couldn't even identify it.

Speaker 10 (55:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (55:09):
When they initially showed them the pendent, some of the
family members were like, no, that doesn't look like And
then they're like, well, well we're saying we found it
on Elwood and they're like, oh, well then it must
be here.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Oh my god, and went on to say, what would
you say now you would have to swear I need
for oh and I'm trying to figure out like where
all this comes from, right man?

Speaker 5 (55:29):
So can you get any Social Security?

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I can get I get my disability. I can't get
full social security and too as clear to something and
I can know the job.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Uh, I have the state to be have to favor
them out.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Man.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Oh, you need some more hours to get your full
so security? How many hours you need?

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Eleven quarters? Eleven quarter.

Speaker 18 (55:50):
I think you have to work for it's still forty quarters.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
I think, okay, you need eleven more quarters and then
you can get full social security just under four years.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Jeez, man, you will boy, yeah, you will make it.
You gonna make it. I mean, thirty years in jail.
You got something to live for now, you know what
I mean. You got your freedom to live for now.
You can see it.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
It's right there, but for some reason they just won't
let you grab it.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Man.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
So is anything people can do for you? I mean
people out there want to help you out?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
I don't. I guess if somebody had a little part
time job or something for you, that will work too, definite.
Mainly what I need is a job job, Okay.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I need people to just figure out the ways to
have to make the prosecutors stand up and do what
she campaign on doing the right thing.

Speaker 18 (56:40):
Yes, and that's I think one of the things that
people can do if they want to be proactive is
called the prosecutor's office. Yes, and just let them know
that what they want to see happening, that people are
watching this.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 18 (56:54):
And it's a test of whether she will have the
integrity that she ran on to do the right thing.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Man, oh man, hold on, we got a caller for you. Ray,
you have a question, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
First of all, when it comes to the prosecutor, we've
already made our feelings and known what she should do,
and like I said earlier, that she's just going to
wait for the process. But let me ask you this
the evidence that Joe Dieter said, because he said that
the jury, it wouldn't have affected the jurid at all
at all on those what was the evidence? They talk

(57:26):
about the evidence, but they don't say what it was,
So what was it?

Speaker 8 (57:30):
Well?

Speaker 18 (57:30):
I think one of the things we just talked about,
and that we could have a day's conversation about that.

Speaker 16 (57:35):
We had a three day hearing, We had a three
day hand on it didn't even scratch the surface.

Speaker 18 (57:39):
But the highlights are the fact that this pendent that
prosecutors held out at trial as being unique family heirloom
handmade wasn't well and it probably wasn't even found in
his car, right, But that hasn't necessarily change the outcome.
It's the fact that they withheld that information from the defense.

(57:59):
They never got a change as to present that in
front of the jury.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Right now, let me say. Let me say this back
back in those days, and this is how evil police
were back in those days. As long as they got someone,
it doesn't matter if it was Ellwood or anyone else
in this country. And that thing is, as long as
they got someone, they were happy, and then the DA
or the prosecutor would get re elected. I think that's

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what it was all about. Do you share those thoughts?

Speaker 4 (58:27):
I share.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
They may not because of the eternity, but I definitely share.
And then with Joe didis head end in his office,
it's always been crooked and I don't see even the
day as any changed with even Connie Pilget's in there,
because they're still going down that same path. Yeah, it's

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not just only about me. I'm just a centerpiece right now,
but it's it's several of the cases.

Speaker 16 (58:57):
So I think from my standpoint, you know, without trying
to guess at what their motivations were, you can look
at just sort of the evidence that was presented at
the hearing. One of the witnesses that came forward was
a woman named de Laura Suggs, who testified that she
called the Blue Ash Police Department before Elwood's trial and
reported that another man confessed to the murder and framing

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a black man for it, and the response that she
received from the Blue Ash Police Department was no, we've
got our guy. And so without getting into what motivations,
you know, the prosecutors might have had or anything like that,
I think that the evidence does suggest that the police
were happy that they found someone without really considering whether
it was the right one.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Well, all we can do is keep pressure on the prosecutor,
like you say, and every time I talk to her,
I bring your name up, Elle, would I bring your
name up? And it's just a waiting game. I guess
she's just gonna wait. So you know, she don't want
to be the one she wants the Supreme Court to
do her job. I guess you know what I mean.
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
That's what it seems like to me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Instead of just stepping up and dismissed the charges, drop
the charges and let this man go on and live
out the rest of his life, I mean, that seems
like the best thing that can happen.

Speaker 18 (01:00:14):
I think with the understanding that there can never be
a retrial, and even if there were, with the amount
of evidence that was withheld. I don't think there's any
way if we had a trial to all their witnesses
were alive, if we had that trial today, they don't
get a conviction now, not close. Yeah. Yeah, And I
think that's the injustice of it all. And I think
it's an injustice to el Will, but it's also in

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justice to the Nathan family.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
One final call here, Lindsey, real quick, Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (01:00:41):
I talked to you last time, you said, missus Jones.
I'd just like to say about the Social Security and
SSI I found. I wrote a letter to Washington and
told him I was socially had to cap. I got
Social Security and SSI. When I applied for my Social
Security it was in twenty sixteen. Me a record from
nineteen sixty six to twenty sixteen. I had three legal jobs,

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didn't make over twenty thousand dollars, but I received my
Social Security. I had life plus five in the state
of California. I did twenty three years. I got out
in twenty ten. I went in in nineteen ninety one,
two years fighting the case, three trials, and then I
got out and my sister told me go file Social Security.

Speaker 9 (01:01:26):
I did.

Speaker 14 (01:01:26):
They shot me down I went to talk to a
lawyer of Ray Street. He told me that if you
had a broke leg, you wouldn't get Social Security on
the first time. So I asked him, well, give me
the address. I wrote, Washington, d C. Two weeks later
I had two checks. You sociated handicapped? You did over
twenty years. Brother, that's the term you have to use.
They're not going to tell you that, and they'll give

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it to you. Trust me.

Speaker 9 (01:01:48):
Oh that's all I have to say.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Hey, all right, lindsay, that was good, good information.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Socially handicapped, been in jail twenty seven years? Okay, all right,
might want to check that out. All right, Well, thank
you guys for joining me. And you know, if you
hear something, let us know. We want to get you back.
We want to get you in here. When you can
say I'm a freeman now, cases charges have been dropped,
cases over and I can live the rest of my life.
That's when I want to see you again. Elwood Jones,

(01:02:15):
thank you for having And Tamaya Donar. She doesn't work
for City Link anymore, but she was, you know, getting
people jobs, and she might be able to point you out.
I'll try to get in touch with her Toma Denar
and see if she can guide you in the direction.
She doesn't work there anymore, but she might be able
to help you. All right, Thank you off for joining me.

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David Hind, Jay Clark, and Elwood Jones with us this morning.
Thank you all for joining me. Let's take a break.
Twelve thirty the Buzz. It's Lincoln.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Where it is Tuesday? Yes, it is Johnny Taylor there? Okay,
Clarence Clarence Terrence.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Don't you there?

Speaker 7 (01:02:57):
For Charlie Winburn on me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Charlie Winburg called you, Clarence Clarence. And speaking of Charlie Winburn,
his former chief of staff was in the paper. His
former chief of staff, uh Ron Moseby was in the
paper about I guess his his late three year old daughter.

(01:03:20):
And he's got a coffee shop now and a whole
bit out in Cole Raine Township.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Ron Moseby, Yeah, I saw him. Where did I see him?

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
I saw him at Lisa Baker's retirement party, and he
told me to come out to his little coffee shop
over there in Cole Raine Township. I'm gonna have to
stop out there and see Ron Moseby, former chief of
staff for Charlie Winburn. Man Winburg used to run him
around like.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Ron, run, Ryan, do this run, I need this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Run this unbelievable, unbelievable. All right, uh five one, three,
seven thirty Lincoln awhere with you, and let's see we
might as well.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
We were going to take a break and then we
come back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
We've got TIERR. Powell in the studio talking about something's
coming up with the city and housing and all kinds
of stuff going on with the city, and we'll talk.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
To her about that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
But I mean, twenty seven years in jail and they
still got him. It's just like he's still in jail.
It's just like he's still in jail. I mean, and
you can tell he's sad, he's happy that he's out
of jail, but it's still like there's bars around him,

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you know what I mean. He just can't get that
one bit of information from the Supreme Court or from
Connie pill And she could end it today with the
stroke of a p He could be a free man today.
But then you got to worry about lawsuits. That's what
they're worried about. Well, let's try to wait him out.

(01:05:09):
Maybe he'll die first, and he won't sue us. That's
that's all I can see that they they're waiting, this
waiting game. After twenty seven years, there's still waiting. All right,
we gonna take a break and then we'll yeah, before.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
We go to break, how about another giveaway, mister ware.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
We can have a couple the Preservation Hall Jazz Band
a Creole Christmas at the Tap Theater December eleventh.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Sounds like it's going to be pretty good. We'll have
to check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
If you call her number five at seven four nine
twelve thirty, call her number five.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
The tickets are yours.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Call her five at seven four nine twelve thirty, and
if you call her five, we'll give you those tickets.
And I can't believe we still haven't heard from late
and her date. We have not heard from Lady C.
We might have to call her, Terrence Howard, we might
have to call Lady C. Because I'm anxious to hear

(01:06:11):
her side of the story. We'll see you calling one.
I'm looking for five. You calling number two.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
I'm looking for five.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
You call her three. I'm looking for five. You calling
number four. Oh boy, I'm looking for five. You're calling
number five. What's your name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Hey, my name is Calvin.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Calvin. Congratulations, you got yourself a pair of tickets to
the Preservation Hall Jazz Band of Creole Christmas on December eleventh,
over at the Taff Theater. What part of town you
call him from?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I'm calling from that from Avondale, but I'm originally from
New Orleans, Oh, Nolans.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
All right, Okay, that's one of my favorite places to go.
They have the best gumbo ever. I love to eat
that gumbo down there, you know what I mean? All right?
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
What station just made you a winner?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Twelve Hold on.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
All right, there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Let's take a break and then we'll come back twelve thirty.
The buzz and in the studio with me no other
than Tierra Powell. And when you see Tierre, you know
she's got something going on with development or housing or something.
The city is having a big development developmental conference or something.
What is it called?

Speaker 19 (01:07:28):
So is the Developers Conference? Last year it was the
Black Developers Conference. So City of Cincinnati and Fifth Third
Bank are actually the leading sponsors on this. So sorry, y'all,
my voice is my sientus is kicking my butt. But
I just wanted to come in and talk about it
a little bit because they're doing something a little bit
different this year. You know, Derek Dansby is the kind
of brain child around this and what we're doing. On

(01:07:50):
the Thursday, September eighteenth, as we are doing a bus tour,
so we're going to go to a couple different sites
around the city that needs some development. The communities are
welcome and develop em so we'll be stopping in Westwood,
We'll be stopping by the Old Swift and Commons and
some spots in west End as well, and then the
second day on the nineteenth at the Graduate Hotel, we'll

(01:08:14):
be doing different seminars and sessions around getting into development,
whether you want to be an investor, actual developer or
even construction management. Vice Mayor Kearney is really big on
how they open up the clubhouse, so there's a panel
about that. We also have a couple of different organizations
talking about their training program so that these smaller developers

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and smaller companies are able to hire people from within
the community who have learned this skill set. So you
can go to build Sincy dot org to register to
sign up for the bus tour and or to sit
in on one of the sessions and so that's next week,
so it's coming up quick, so make sure you secure
your spot and it's built sincy with then why dot

(01:08:56):
org All.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Right now a lot I mean people think when you
say developer, they think you got to really think big
to be a developer. You can be a small time developer.

Speaker 19 (01:09:07):
Yeah, you can own one or two properties and they're
considered a developer. You'll be surprised how many people in
the community have flipped the house or two here or
there and they just need a way to scale up
if that's what they're wanting to do. And then you
also have developers that are coming to this because some
of the sessions talk about how to obtain government contracts,
how to obtain that government funding, how to get the

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different certifications. And this is absolutely free, so this is
open to a little bit of everybody, even if you
just have a peak interest. All of our sessions and
who will be a part of them are listed on
the website, so you can go on there and come
in and out as you please.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
Okay, all right, So and I know this guy West Africa.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Do you know him? I know him, yeah, yeah, and
he's doing a lot of developing over there by the
what is the viatuc the new viaduct that's going in
over there. Yeah, so he's getting a big jump on that,
so he's got to go going on. I hope that he.

Speaker 19 (01:10:01):
Reaches out because we may need to get him on
the panel. We still got a couple that we can
put people on, but I definitely hope that folks like
him come and just see what we have to talk
about and they may be able to even partake, participate
and help us out.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Yeah, all right, it sounds good.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
When and where? Give the information once?

Speaker 19 (01:10:16):
So it is September eighteenth and nineteenth. The bus tours
obviously around the city. We have a charter bus and
then the rest of the sessions are at the Graduate
Hotel in Clifton. But go to build Simsey dot org
to register get all the information on the sessions as
well as to see the specific times of where we
would be on that bus tour.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
All right, sounds good to me, Tierra Powell. Always great
to see you. I know, tell jam Michelle that we
said hi.

Speaker 19 (01:10:43):
Jam Michelle lemon Kearney. She likes when you say her
full name because people have to see.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Her whole name when they get to JML Jan Michelle
lemon Kearney. All Right, there we go. You all right,
Tierra Powell, thank you for stopping by giving us that
information from the city of Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
All right. Five one three seven, four nine, twelve thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Someone wanted to know, has anyone seen the viral video
of the stabbing death of the Ukrainian refuge e wrong
woman on the train?

Speaker 18 (01:11:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
I saw that man.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
The black guy just came in sitting right behind her
and he just got up and start stabbing her.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
I'm like, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
What is going on in the world nowadays?

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
This is just crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Yeah. Vernon Jordan said, West Africa is a serious dude.
He's about business. Yeah, he's the man. He's the man.
West Africa is the man. Yes, all right. Five one
three seven four nine, twelve thirty. Yeah, what would make
this black guy. I don't think he knew she was Ukrainian.

(01:11:56):
I don't think that he was just gonna stab whoever
was sitting there. I do believe they trying to make
a big deal out of it because she's a Ukrainian,
But I don't think that had anything to do with it.
I don't think it had anything to do with it.
I think it was all just he was gonna stabb
somebody and she just happened to be there. Yeah, unbelievable. Unbelievable.

(01:12:26):
But I mean she's just sitting there minding her own business,
not bothering anybody. Unbelievable. All right, let's see. Oh yeah,
and while my man Elwood Jones was in the studio.
While he was here in the studio, I'm looking at

(01:12:51):
seeing in news and I just saw, believe that twenty
man charges drop let out of prison for after being
in there twenty seven years for crime he didn't commit.
I think this was up in New York if I'm
not mistaken, right there on the news while he was
here in the studio, twenty seven years, same amount of

(01:13:16):
years he spent on death row. You gotta realize he
wasn't just in prison. He was on death row. Now
do they I meant to ask him this, does he.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
Is he separated from the rest of the prisoners if
he's on death row? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
I have to ask him that the next time I seen.
I'm not sure how you're treated differently if you're on
death row than if you're in there for twenty ten
twenty thirty years. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
Do they treat you differently if you're getting ready to die?

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
I don't know. I'll ask that the next time I
see him, for sure, man. But just to be in
jail hell that long, and you know you didn't commit
a crime and you're just there, that's got to eat

(01:14:10):
you up from the inside, got to eat you up.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
Man. And can you believe taste of Belgium closed? Can't
believe it?

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Right there and over the rhine, taste the Belgium close
down all of a sudden. Man. I've been in there
a few times. But the governor's in town today, supposedly,
and with his big plan for Cincinnati, his safety plan unbelievable.

(01:14:58):
The guy who was convicted of trying to kill a
police officer was sentenced to third was sentenced to twenty
two years in prison for trying to keep I remember
when that happened down there. I saw your point. The

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guy attacked him, tried to gouge his eyes out, and
luckily helped got there before anything happened. But he was
and he was a crazy guy. He came in the
courtroom talking to himself and I'm like, oh, they gonna
they're gonna this guy's gonna be mentally insane. But nope,

(01:15:45):
they got him and he's going to jail for at
least twenty two years. Man, But he tried to gouge
the guys out. And I did they ever say whether
that was Charmaine mcguffey's brother. He was an officer. Terry
McGuffey is his name. I don't know whether he was

(01:16:08):
related to Charmaine or not. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
But this guy he used, he used the police officer's
taser on him.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
And beat him with it. Oh, man, it was just crazy.
This guy really tried to kill this police officer. He
wanted to kill a white police Officer's what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
Unbelievable. All right, we're gonna take a break and then
we'll come back.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Five one, three, seven, four, nine, twelve thirty Lincoln where
on a Tuesday, twelve thirty, the buzz your talk station
and everybody's trying to figure out who this person is
on Facebook live chat, King Boss.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
He calls himself. He called Ross Little ras X.

Speaker 7 (01:17:03):
I think Ross deserved that one.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
That he did. Did Little Ro's X. Unbelievable, unbelievable. All
he needs to do now is you put on his
little underwear and walk down the street, walk down the
streets of Cincinnati. And that would fit him to a
t all right. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, twelve thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:17:26):
Let's go to Joyce. Hey, loud voice, Joyce.

Speaker 9 (01:17:29):
How you doing, Hi, Lincoln, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
I'm hanging in there well good.

Speaker 8 (01:17:33):
Last week we saw the little doubler throw a rocket
then hide. But he couldn't because lying on me will
not get you anywhere. When I talk, I say what
I mean, if I made a mistake, I'm like doubler.
I would say I made a mistake. But he continues
to double down on Donald Trump the pedophole. Basically, or allegedly,

(01:17:53):
Donald Trump and his son is trying to say his
children that he barely knew Jeffrey Epstein. That's just I know.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
And that's his signature.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
That is his signature.

Speaker 6 (01:18:04):
I'm telling you courses to his signature.

Speaker 8 (01:18:06):
The Senate and the Congress got the book from the estate.
It was done in two thousand and three or six, so,
and he knew that many these many years later that
this can be a forgery and be needed to be forged. No,
he did it then and that's what he is behind
with Jeffrey Epstein. He said that Jeffrey stole the girl.

(01:18:27):
And you know that human trafficking, especially right now, we're
so well aware of it, but in establishments like five
and different hotels, even casinos, this is where human trafficking
can be found. And there's laws against establishments like Marlago

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harboring and trafficking teenagers. And that's what Donald was going.
And see the law should have been on Donald and
Jeffrey Epstein a long time ago for what they did.
They even had a private session Jeffrey Epstein and Donald
Trump with a group of models and a man thought
that he was bringing these models in front of a
lot of people, didn't you heard? You read that article

(01:19:10):
the Man's food Donald Trump, and he only Jeffrey and
Donald were looking at these young girls. So where is
a white liar when you talk about these subjects? Because
he and what about too dumb? Are too bitter because
these are real subjects that really has happened, and they

(01:19:31):
never comment on it all twoth we want to talk
about is baseball games or what happened with the Let's
talk about what happened with the pedophile Donald Trump? And
Jeffrey Epstein and Twin, you continue to take up for
the pedophile criminal and it's just disgusting that you still do.
And don't mention my name unless you're going to tell

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the truth, Twin, because all you're doing now is fetching water.
And you know when he said, this is what he said.
That's the stay Troopers and the National Guard should be
called to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Didn't he say that?

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (01:20:05):
And what the game is in Chicago?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Going to fake? He said?

Speaker 8 (01:20:10):
Now that's all I he better know that's through rock
and hat and it won't work out in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
So don't go back.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
I don't think he's going back.

Speaker 8 (01:20:22):
I don't think he's going back at all.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Okay, good talking to you, all right, Joey, thanks for
your Kyle unbelievable. Oh White Lion wanted to talk to Joyce.
I just see that up there now. Uh, maybe he'll
run like like Twin did. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
I don't know what he wants to say to Joyce,
but maybe she'll call back if she wants to talk
to him.

Speaker 9 (01:20:44):
Ow, how are you respect? Loving blushes? Lincoln? Thanks for
taking my car?

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
What's going on?

Speaker 15 (01:20:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:20:52):
I wanted to moms dressed a couple of elephants in
the room that you kind of you kind of touched on.
But as far as justice for us, you know, the
black community, we can't be looking for you know, justice
or for the white man any other man to come
and save us. It's just not going to happen. We

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should see the writing on the wall and do the
best we can not to associate ourselves with them or
their system, because it's not for us. It's not for
us to continue to get beat down and disrespect it
when we're trying to do the right thing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Okay, who was beat who was beat down? Was that
was trying to do the right thing?

Speaker 9 (01:21:41):
You just had to the man?

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Oh yeah, talking about Elwood Jones. Yeah right, you know,
I mean, uh, they planted the evidence and it's clear
as day, and uh, I mean it's just.

Speaker 9 (01:21:56):
But but the guys that was in the well, the
lawyers that were in there, they didn't say those exact words.
They plant the evidence and we're dealing with crooked cops
and the officer's name is x y Z. And I
don't want to say they can't do that because if

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you're a part of a certain club, then you got
to follow the club rules, no matter what you've done
and what you're accused of doing. And you know, you know,
it's an unfortunate thing. If you don't know, you just
don't know. But you're a part of that club too,
I'm not, you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
Know, a part of that club. How am I part
of it? I mean, now, I mean what?

Speaker 6 (01:22:43):
How am I?

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
No mention? Just tell me how am I part of
that club? If I got a name, I mentioned a name,
What are you talking about?

Speaker 9 (01:22:52):
If you're a Mason, if you're oh my god, oh geez,
I'm part of that club?

Speaker 15 (01:22:59):
Well, Lincoln, listen. It's a need to know, basis. When
you're dealing with when you're dealing with groups, Okay, when
you're dealing with groups and they have rules.

Speaker 9 (01:23:10):
And rituals and things of that nature, it's a need
to know basis. So if you don't go through all
the steps, you don't get all of the information. And
even if you go through all the steps, you still
don't get all of the information because it's ongoing. It's
a need to know, basis. You are now, Wait a minute,

(01:23:33):
The only reason why I know this is because I know.

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
That the only reason why you know it is because
of Deuteronomy twenty eight.

Speaker 8 (01:23:40):
And we know this.

Speaker 9 (01:23:41):
Exactly, exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
I was joking.

Speaker 9 (01:23:47):
No, you can't joke. You can't joke about you can't
joke about prophecy. Prophecy is what prophecy is, and you
can't do anything about it. I can't do anything about it.
It's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Oh boy, I believe it.

Speaker 9 (01:24:00):
It's like trying to hold in a number two, you
know what I mean, Or when a baby is when
when when a woman is pregnant, when that baby was
ready to come out, it's coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
It's nothing you can.

Speaker 9 (01:24:12):
Do about it.

Speaker 17 (01:24:14):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:24:15):
But but that's what we're dealing with. We're dealing with
prophecy here. We're dealing with prophecy. Now, if you have
lawyers that was taken that was supposed to be representing
ed Wood, Yeah, and you asked the question and he said,
I don't know if they can say it, but I'm
gonna say it, you know what I mean. They plan
at the evidence. Yeah, and then they didn't you know,

(01:24:37):
disgard what he said, but they didn't follow suits. Yep,
they playing at the evidence. He said.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Three or four cops looked through the trunk before and
they didn't find it, and then all of a sudden
they come back and it's sitting right there. So that's
saying it.

Speaker 9 (01:24:54):
Yeah, okay, that's saying it without saying it. Remember you
talked about those three black people who got shot, the
three two sisters and the one gentleman they got shot
last week.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Yeah, yeah, trouble.

Speaker 9 (01:25:09):
And then the guy who did the shooting was a
white guy.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
Yeah, and he finally did die, but he didn't die
right away.

Speaker 9 (01:25:17):
But yeah, okay, Now, before before he the white guy
went and killed the three people, he talked to a neighbor.
He talked to the people who got killed. You see
that on the night I saw that, Yes, And did
you hear what the white man said? The white young
man said to the older white man.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Let's see, I can't.

Speaker 9 (01:25:40):
He basically told him to go ahead and get out
of here. I got some business to take care of.
He's trying to scope me out, but you just go
ahead and get out of here. And then the older
white man followed suit, even though he knew that something
was up. That's how they take care of their own.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Okay, you say, and.

Speaker 9 (01:26:02):
If you don't know, then you just don't know, you know,
what I'm saying. But if you know and you still
do it, then you know we get what we get,
all right. Douteronomy twenty eight. Yeah, there's a verse at
the end that states that we will be brought back

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to eg Up and brought back into bondage and there
will be no man that can save us.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Now, that's why this is in the Old test Deuteronomy
twenty eight is the Old Testament?

Speaker 14 (01:26:34):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:26:35):
I don't know where this is where people get mixed up.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Well, I just I just asked a simple questions. Where
is it? Where can Okay that's what I asked, Whether
it in the Old Testament. That's only question I asked.
That's to say yes, yes, okay, Hey, I gotta go, man,
amount of time.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Thanks for your call. News coming up on twelve thirty
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