November 3, 2025 • 58 mins
Best friends Di Edwards and Nicola Dale turned their backyard chats into Over the Back Fence — a growing movement built on connection, courage and purpose. From honest conversations about life to empowering women in business, they’ve created a platform that uplifts and inspires through every episode.
Through their different series — Over the Back Fence, weekly chats to uplift and inspire; Over the Money Fence, monthly financial conversations; and Over the Wine Fence, featuring their custom-label wine — Di and Nicola are showing how meaningful conversations can spark real change.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nikola Dale and die it would welcome to the mentor
thank you with your wine than.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
She is. Well, we helped make this wine.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We did.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You don't mind us saying, because I know you have
a vineyard. We made it. You know what it is.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's a bold blend, made with bold women, inspired by laughter.
Shared over the back fence. The twenty eighteen release celebrates intuition,
connection and the courage to say yes. And this is
all out of a meeting with our mutual friend Linda
Muddle right over Lisa mcgwigan. This is her wine. Here
(00:38):
her back fence.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Which one is yeah? And so Lisa was your guest.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
On our podcast Over the back Fence, and so dian
Ni coulds a tribute to spontaneous friendship and spirited conference.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
We literally did help make the wach We were thrilled
to not squashing grace with our feet, but we were
actually tasted.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So we've got to collab over the wine fence as well,
over the back fence. Money fans.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She's pretty cool, Lisa, she's great cool. Her family, Yeah,
they're great.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
People, they're good, strong stock. What have we got We've
got the beautiful, We've got the pinut Grigio and the
chiras and.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah that's good. I've got the pinu grity. But don't
you love it too. That's also like the mcgwigan that's Lisa's.
She's with the van and she's got the crosses.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That, by the way, that's not mcgwig and wine.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
L you spot on saying that she likes to Actually
I get that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I have bought wine from her in the past or
I love hearing this. She I'm a rule Lisa mcgwigan fan.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Sheers to Lisa and cheers to friends.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I wish I could with water and your friends.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, love it to make you.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Thank you much. You two best friends, best mates for
a long time. I can't believe you're running you're running
a business that after living next door to each other
all literally literally family years, forty years. You've been hanging
out over the fence for forty years, the fat.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Having a cup of tea, cooking some scones. We've definitely known.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It together with a kiss who rose together.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yet we're partying non stone to.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Each other's parents' funerals. We've been through, We've gone through divorces.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
To travel the world together. It's nowhere in the world.
We haven't traveled together. And the other night, this was
the funniest night. We've been all down the studio and
Nicholas rents her place out on abb and she was
staying at my house and I thought, and we were laughing.
I fell off the couch laughing, and I thought, all
day we've worked together. She's say, we're living together and
(02:53):
we're laughing our heads off, and I thought, that's pretty
bloody unque didn't. It was like a moment of Wow,
what are we got? What do we have? It's just gone.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And then I'll go back to my you know, like
separate apartment there we've had all this time together, and
the phone will ring because I've got to tell you this.
It's just so you can't make that happen. It just happened.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Did you want to get a word in Mark? No.
But it is one of those situations where, like I remember.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
About forty years, like those days, people would change if
it rained, you go and take their clothes off the line.
Neighbors knew each other and they helped each other. Christmas Day,
you know, you invited each other for a drink. These days,
you know, I wouldn't even know my neighbors. I actually
don't do not know my neighbors in fact, And you
(03:46):
know what on that notemark.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
We've all heard about the Harvard story about lifestyle of
the human race and how they've proven it's not about
your cholesterol and it's not about you know that, your
diet and your exercise. It's actually, if you want to
live longer, if you want to live happily, more fulfilled life,
have connection, have people in your life, Have people around you.
(04:08):
Because yesteryear, what you were just saying, people like Madge
with a cigy hanging out would go with the curls
in it, things aren't going well with the hobby whatever,
and the neighbor would go, hey, take a seat, what's
going on? You know, on a bus you'd talk. Now
everyone's on phones, you know. I caught a ferry the
other day. I live up at Palm Beach and it
(04:28):
was from Metalong to Palm Beach. I got the first
fair I think it was six am. It was the
most beautiful sunrise I ever seen in my entire life.
And I was looking around. The whole fairy is packed
with trades and whatever. Not one person saw the sunrise.
Everyone was on the phone. Everyone was on the phone,
and I thought I just wanted to go and smash
them all and go, hey, look at your missing out
(04:50):
the beauty in life. So connection for me is I
come from a family, bad kids and Nick's my six sister.
But to me, connection is as important as monitoring the
blood tests that you do to see where you're at
with your health.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, or community is really important. And I think it's
like they keep talking about the four horsemen that cause
you to die? Can hard take someone? Can some two?
Brain disease number three, metabolic disease number four, and that's
a Peter two keeps talking a member. I think the
fifth one is if you're lonely, you know that will
(05:27):
if you don't have a community around you. I think
that definitely makes you optimize your health. If you have
all of the other three covered, but you don't any friends,
you you know, you've got nowhere.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It's a blanket over the.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's like, you know, when you're sort of saying with health, wealth,
but what's the most really important thing and when you
need those ones but is friendship. It's connection, and it's
that really true authentic connection and not everyone has to
be best. Is like us, and how God know, we
feel grateful, very lucky that we acknowledge that as well.
(06:02):
But still is staying connected with sort of someone and
that is so much important because you know, you can
have all you do for Horseman, which is fantastic, and
get your health good. But if you haven't got a connection,
you haven't got someone who sort of really cares, or
someone you can call, or someone you can share a
life experience with.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Its interviewing Gus walland from Gotcha for Life, you know, Gus,
amazing guy, amazing guy. Just from that interview. I got
quite emotional on that interview. Just how someone getting emotional now, No,
I really am. Because it was about he would text
people during the day guys, guys, rugby dudes, I love you,
(06:45):
I love you, mate, I love you, hype, Everything's okay,
that's all you do.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Esse.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I know it's a text, it's not a fun call.
But he would like have hundreds and so many of
them would come back, mate, thank you or wow, how
are you doing? And some would go yeah, like are
you for real? Like yeah, And it's a little thing sometimes,
isn't it, Even if it's not As she said about
being such close friends, you come coming back to your
(07:12):
said community connection and podcasts. I think is a great
gift in that sense. It's particularly I'm not going to
say ages, but you know, I'll say, you're starting in
fifties and sixties, a lot of things change.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
When you guys were first neighbors who got their first
met you were the first.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Mine's a funny story. Oh it's a funny story.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Funny, weird or funny.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Funny, bizarre. I'll cut it really short, but we my
husband and I bought the lamb, We built the house,
we sold the house to buy a real estate business,
and and seven years ago my husband said, oh, that
house has come up again. I went, oh, I'll be
nostage you go back and have a look at it.
I'm cutting this really short. As I went to close
(08:01):
the door, I went, god, he hasn't touched it since
the eighties. They're getting the idea of my aide closed.
As I was closing the door, I heard three toots
of a horn of the ferry down the bottom. I thought,
how cute. And I looked over all the beaches. I said, oh,
there's seven beaches. Closed the door. The next day I
was meant to go and see clever. A girlfriend had
bought me for a gift. I forgot. She rang me,
(08:21):
ran in. She went, oh my god, she said, I'm
getting the tout of a horn and I can see
all this water it is at our house. I'm going
and I'm going, I'm going backward. She went to sit down.
I went, oh my god, and I'm cutting short again. Anyway,
I said to my husband.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
He went as if.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And on Monday she said, a guy will come. Tuesday,
a woman will come that wants to put a pull
off a blah blah. And by the Wednesday afternoon we
exchanged on it. So that's the story of the buying
the house back that we built.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So if we've lived in different parts in that area
and then Nikola by apartments and at the time I
didn't even realize actually geographically on you all close, it
was actually going to be on your back fence.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And then when we actually you know, I think I
was having a champagne but it's funny, and then they
know you've got to be careful. You know, you might
have an issue with one of the neighbors there. They're
going this often get there's music and there's champagne corks
flying from from going perfect this is finely.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So that's how that happened.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I got that separately to like actually knowing that was
the back fence. But we had been friends that fortunately
of friendship before before that, and I said, you know,
we're pregnant together, our kids went to pum beage kindy together, everything,
all those different stages of life. We've gone through the good,
the bad.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And the ugly. We've been in fetal position, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
From drinking, all emotions tripping over.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But we have literally gone through the highs and lows
of life and also what's really important in life. And
they look at all of us share a podcast together.
It is just a dream as well, which is just
I wouldn't have done it a few years ago. Only
now in our sixties. I started my fifties die. She
(10:13):
likes to throw me under.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's like, I don't know, because I say to a
lot of people that Nick and I noticed were lost
about a whole new beginning. Because you've heard of the
word bloody agism, and it's massively out there, even coming in.
I pressed a channel on the radio station. I was
an older woman talking, Oh, and she goes, here's Jimmy Barnes.
I went, oh, and I love this woman, but there's
(10:37):
this judgment, right and I and I said to Nikola,
there's so many people around us in the world who
are aging, who are lost in a void and or
sept separated, divorced, widowed or such like, as she said,
lonely lost as in what do I do now I've
(10:58):
retired or the kids have left and such like, and
they're lost, And it's like, oh, my god, as you age,
you've got so much to give. There's so much wisdom,
there is so much life to share, of your life
to share with others. And to me, that's that's the goal.
That's not the goal, that's that's racing at the moment
with the share market. But that's the goal. That's the
(11:19):
treasure that I think we need to search for. And
that was one of the triggers behind studying.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I was hiking with my Gabriella Power, who's a TV
journalist in a Sky News Power Outs she got her.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Own show, and you're hiking.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was hiking. Yeah, So you know, it's just like
when you're in mother Nature and there's the sort of
in between that time we're in COVID, but you could
get times when you could fly in and out. So
we're actually in Tasmania hiking and then that time of solitude,
I was walking by myself and in mother nature. And
then that night it was Gabriella and I having dinner
together and I said a spark and I said, I
(11:56):
think it was that walking in nature. And before that,
I've been listening to some podcasts and I said, I
think dian I should do a podcast together.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Now she'd be brutal.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
She'd go like no, mum, like no, no way, and
she's straight away going, oh my goodness, yes, and so yeah,
she's like Auntie day Die and so right there.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And then I.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Sent you a message. I think you're in Aspen at
the time, and I said, what what's your thoughts of
doing a podcast? And then Dye's gone straight away going yes.
And there was all this thing exactly like you know, loneliness.
We can talk about divorce, marriage, break up, you know,
and get that sort of Also when people are down,
what sets when it's that they suffer that dark night
(12:37):
of the soul and how they can turn that round,
And a lot of our guests we've had that as well.
You know so, and so Die's like yes, and within
no time. Then with both our energies.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And Nicola flying for thirty years, you imagine the people
she's met, the people she you know, understanding people. I
was in television for a long long time doing morning
live television and I was your come back to the media,
but I didn't know what platform. And that just landed
literally on our laps. And then the Potuda guys just
well we just that we they were like mothers to
(13:11):
them and we just laughed, Yeah, they look.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
After yeah, And so there was like the mothers we've
always wanted to have.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, we just laugh.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We just the one that we bring it those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So when you when you so you text Die I did.
She obviously said yes, let's do it, and you were
and and you're you're doing a hike. But what's what
was the next step? Because it's great to have a
good idea. Everyone then looks at what you're doing, looks great,
you know, think wow, but people like, how did you
(13:48):
do it?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Do you know the next step? But for us was
literally getting the getting the iPhone out. And we've got
an amazing circle of friends and every single body has
a story, you know, like and you know, I think
like with you, you love everyone.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You don't judge a book boat's cover.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And we've had people from doesn't matter if there's a
celebrity or not. Sometimes the most interesting in the non
But with our girlfriends, just in a core close girlfriends,
was like, hey, can we come over and have a
chat with you? And if we had to started it,
if we had a better quality, I'd put them, I'll
drop them because they were fantastic. So Diane, I just yeah,
(14:23):
let's list, let's interviews, you know, such and such like practice, Yeah,
just test.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But from the very.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
First time, the first one we did, we loved it
and we got that really introduced from them, that really
sort of and we're just on such a high. And
then the next.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
One and we loved one and we but at the
end of the day, I think the crux or the
foundation studio is we love. It's in our DNA. We
love people like we love people, and some people have
to try to love people or enjoy people's company. We
just can't get enough for people.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And you don't want that to be annoying because people
to love people, No, we do. It could you go, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Compassion you're yeah, so you're very compassionate and understanding. But
do you love to talk to people about their story?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yes, it's everything.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, you're getting us to talk because normally I'd love
to just get your stir. I know you don't want
to talk about it, but we questions for you. Yes,
it is weird for us because we're so used to
doing that, you know. So it was from that then,
because we had the passion. And then a friend of
ours used to be a producer in TV and radio
and did a podcast back in the day, and we
(15:36):
asked her, would you be interested?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What do you think of this? Do you think this
has got legs? And she's kind on YouTube?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Would be great?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And we chatted with the TUDA guys.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
How did you find them?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Friends? Just through friends?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You asked someone who's got a studio.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
These ual friends that we had, and then they said
would like to have a chat and they were just like, oh,
let's see, and then they just they're so encouraged opened
their eyes with us three years.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
But you know, the momentum you create and for everyone listening,
you know, if you're finding right now that you're sort
of stuck in mard and you're you're just not moving
forward because you're ever thinking if you really truly believe,
if you sit in your truth and you're authentic about
it and let go of all the negative greenlins, and
all of a sudden you find things just clicking the
(16:27):
gear and it's almost like you're just flying with it.
You know, all about that mark. You know, if you
believe in something, you're passionate about something, and you back
it up with that positive energy, it's incredible momentum.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It truly is where do you guys from that? Oh, broker,
is it the subject matter or is it the subject matter?
Is the thing you is it the thing you're going
to talk about? Or is it the person you're talking to?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
That's a good one, think, you know what, I think
it's sort of nearly irrelevant as it turns out, Well,
we are both high energy people. That's just you know,
areas with double areas, and I've always been pretty much
go go go, but that's sort of me, you know
who I am. But I think just genuinely, regardless of
the subject matter, regardless of who's sitting in front of
(17:22):
us there, it's the inner energy of really connecting with
that person. I think I get the biggest buzz and
we share.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
No when you're connecting those I.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
See a bud and I see a flower and I
see it unfolding. Literally, it's like because they come in,
it's not saying they're probably nervous, you know, I get that,
and probably nervous, and you know they haven't been interviewed before,
which we've been very fortunate to get a few upfront,
you know, the first time that we've interviewed someone in
(17:54):
that in that arena. But it's like, I think if
you can feel like you're very comfortable to sit in
front of Mark, if you've got that energy, people start
relating and the questions aren't like a barrage. It's more
of a just a gentle sort of flow conversation. So
we have questions often. It's like, so left Field didn't
(18:16):
go for one of those, and I think it's letting
them look. We love to have fun too. It's all
part of it. Don't because you seriously, it won't change
you drink.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
You're doing it. We have here.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It depends on what it is when normally we don't.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know, it's like television.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I was.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
No mcgigan. We had a lot depends on the actual
sort of like selver thing, but.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, do it once and it's great. I think you'll
do it again the game again. But we do love
a shame.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So just for people who are thinking about maybe I
need a podcast, or I want to do a podcast,
or i'd like to have a podcast too, maybe enhance
one business, or just don't want to do a podcast,
and you know, we'll talk about the podcast models. Various
models there are in the moment. But what would you
say to those people who are nervous about doing it
because you're luckys two of you. Let's say it was
(19:10):
one of you. How different would it have been?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I actually couldn't. I wouldn't like it. It would be,
but i'd be I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So it's more about the two of you, it is.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's an even flow.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's like like you're second guessing each other. I can
see it, and then you're feeling in her senses. If
you asked her the question, she answered the question for it.
So how much how much power is it there having
(19:42):
like a partner in this?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I love your questions? Will put it this way, She's
the wind beneath mar wings. Something else to learn about.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
She'll go at the drop.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Of a s h and I'll go but it's okay
because we can blah blah blah. So I'll go low,
she'll go high, and vice versa. So it's always this
equilibrium and this flow. And if I didn't have that,
I think I'd actually get a bit bored. I go
let it yourself, No, just go Oh could be because
(20:23):
we bounce, it's like it's like an it's like a battery.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You've got that shared excitement, like a special guest that
I've been trying to get for a while or something.
It's great to go, wow's a die guess and I'm like, yes,
guess who's now we're getting contact, which was great. Guess
who's contacted us? Uh? Like when we got the call
from Mark from you going, people like yay, that is
(20:47):
so much better.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
They were really thrilled.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
There are my original show called the Michaels Show, like
Regional original eight years ago.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Well, we just told them of the excited.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
They was so excitedtageous. I've been on the show.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
There's so much fun and we're doing We're going to
an event with them. They came up to our house
for my house for Sunday lunch. We have to put
kick them out because we're having too much fun. And
I excuse me, do you know I'm your elder. You
have to leave now? They're great? You know, like, what do.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You explain the format of your show? So, so what
are you doing? One a month, one a week, one weekly?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, we do weekly, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You've got a few different ones, haven't you. Yeah, so
what are your shows?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We've got the podcast, which is again we don't we
have a board, broad spectrum. We don't box ourselves into
a genre. So Monday is, you know, whatever it is.
The infants has to be inspiration, something to inspire someone
driving listening whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And even if they've hit rock boshom, yeah, it's we
can always sort of find sort of something in it
that seems to be space. It's a great space.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And then on the Thursday only.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
We've done a dian Nicola.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
We'll yes, I keep asking us to do it. We
want someone else in there.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And then Over the Money Over.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
The Money Events that's the second podcast. Yeah, so that's been.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
This year and we've been so excited Mark about that
one because you know it's.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Over the Money, Over the I think about the play
on the words over the back fence. We can put
anything in that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Over the one fence actually with Lisa mcgwigg, but over
the over the back fence with Roger. We've had Roger
Montgomery who's a financial expert, so he's coming in. So
we've when it's really funny because we talked about everything
in life basically as best is for forty years. The
one thing we didn't talk about was money and finance
(22:45):
because we just sort of thought we didn't really know
too much about it all. With you, it was sort
of conversation, a bit taboo in our younger days to
talk about intimidating.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It was just sort of, yeah, I don't want to
bring finance. What's happening now is.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You get to this stage of your life, especially as
a woman, in this mid age of our life. There's
so many whether they've been divorced, whether they've lost her husband,
or whether they're in a situation there that they didn't
know that they would be.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
But this was feedback, Yeah, feedback, and listens said, well,
not specifically, but that podcast then.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
It was great. Weeks of films with Roger Montgomery came on.
But we need sort of someone who's going to talk
about finance to help us out because we don't. We're
students ourselves, and it's been the best thing because we're
learning all.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
We're literally like to.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Make money fun and trying to going. You know what.
I might have known about it then, but I need
to now I am in this situation.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Give an example, super exactly, arbitrage.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I didn't. I thought that was military. I thought that
was like a ship, right, like compounding compound, yeah, which
my money would come. But you know, like and we're
not coming like being comedian, we are pure with our question.
And Roger laughs the whole time because we go I
got school. It's still funny that love to have a chat.
(24:05):
But it's like, finance to me was always here. And
on that note, my father brought home the bacon, Mum
raised the children age, my husband.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Ran the house budget there. Sorry, but your mom r
the public.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Mum ran everything. But when it came to finance as
a rule back then, and I'm talking about back then,
things have changed, are changing and have changed in many ways.
But my husband with the business, I've always worked with
the kids, but he managed the funds right. And we're
noticing that we were noticing a lot of women with
(24:41):
anxiety around finance and no clarity and or fear, and
so therefore they were pulling back and back to that
word intimidating. It's it was finance. They were like, I
can't I will will have enough when I get older.
Oh my god, the kids. I want to look after
the kids. Like, how am I going to finance? You
look after my self? Look after the kids. So these
(25:02):
this feedback was coming to us and it was not
not totally but woven through. We enjoyed this podcast and
then can you get someone on to talk about finance?
And we're going, I want to put that on the podcast.
Well it finally happened because we were inundated, but there
was enough because we love the feedback, and I said, Nickola,
we're going to have to. There's a lot of people
(25:24):
and the fastest growing group of homeless people in this
country as women fifty four to sixty four. So bear
that in mind, guys. So I believe it's this. It's
ground grassroots, like it's education. And course we're so relaxed
about it. It's not sort of like where the jargon's
getting lost. What are they talking about because we questioned
(25:46):
the whole time Roger's going, God, another question, but because
we're so fascinated by it.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
But it's really good.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
We've found so the audience listening.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Sorry you're the audience, Yes, we really are. And so
many people have said, oh, well, like Nicola or thank
you for bringing this on, because it's not just sort
of financial talk that would be intimidating. It's sort of
like in Layman's Turn people who didn't know about it.
And also we're making it fun. We're having a giggle
along the way, and people are sort of writing in
(26:14):
instead of going, you know, I'm at this stage going wow,
I don't think I've got enough money to last, and
we're going to live longer, and we want to live longer,
so you know, And so now it's a really good
way of going addressing it. You can have hit in
the sand, which we did. You can try and or
not talk about it, because part of us will raise
that way absolutely, But then the reality is is going
(26:35):
If you do want to have a good life, it's
part of it. So it's sort of like, then get
rid of the fear. And part of the best way
of getting the fear is is actually by talking about it,
addressing it, having a little look what you've got, asking
a simple question and there's no silly question at all.
It's just like where do I start?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Do you remember Gilligan's again, cause you would? Do you
remember the theme song? And I want sing the song?
But the millionnaire and his wife? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Sing the song?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
That I will in a minute, But do you know?
You get my point? It's like, well, guess what, there's
me andaire women out there. It's just that flip of
that whole psychology and accepting it and embracing it and
moving all the negativity on. I've gone through it in
a huge way post divorce, you know, coming to terms
(27:27):
of it, because I do, And I'm so glad because
it's actually empowering ultimately to have a group on what
finances you have moving forward at this and middle age.
You know, I don't want to look after the kids.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It's been a gift and a surprise to us, and
I hope other listeners get that gift of going. It's
scary when you're going, I don't know what to do.
I'm in this situation, but the gift is there, going well,
it's so good now going, you can start again, you
can get confidence in there. It's not a scare. It's
actually really interesting. Look we're actually I'm loving all the
(28:03):
stuff about and talk about it and it's like any
I'm actually loving.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
It all much the conversation.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I love learning everything about it now and I was
listening to you what you're thinking. When the rates stay
the same and all that stuff they go, I can't
actually get enough of it now.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It's like a new So it's been the downloads have been.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No mon month month, it's been. It's getting growing. Some
people actually said to us, going, we'll always we love
your podcast, we like you, but we'll actually always listen
to the money one below us away when we started it.
Everything on that topic. We've had sexperts, we've had all
these ones here money and we didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Want to do it.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So money phone is doing as well as it's doing
really well. Like what what performs best on your podcast?
What what something matters seems to do well?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Question?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Sex does well? Always well?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
We had have you had a sex ologist on had.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Sex ologies and I've had a porn star as well.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It would have been what intrigued and also had.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
A madam on who launched a book about her establishment.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, it's it's as I said, we had from.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
A sexpert, Susan Bratton, and that that sort of peaked
a bit. Sometimes they do certainly.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Got my brain going, well, what's the moment.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
But you know, David the Medium is also has been
very very popular. He just is actually touring around Australia
at the moment. He's a live seller show as in
a spiritual medium. He did a lot. He'd actually did
reading it to both of us twice actually, once when
he was sort of saying butterflies around. Funny that, sir
David the Medium really is very very popular, are we comedian?
(29:47):
We had also Sue Belle from Don't You.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Know of Her?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
A million followers, the queen of.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Palm Beach and Palm Beach, Florida, and we thought, and
I was saying, I got to get her off huge
and I said, now we're the Queens of Palm Beach
in Sydney, so the coens are there, We've got to
meet up. And we did a big link up and
she's got a really big gay following and she was
a hoot and she's re shared it. So in the
States we are quite popular in America. Surprise, so we've
(30:16):
looked at the thing there. So Sue Bells really peaked
in our US ones. There's we've got a lot of
downloads on it.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I think when there's also which you would know, Mark,
because I've been listening to you for quite a long
time and a couple or quite in a little while.
But to be honest, I think when they're really heartfelt
and emotion surfaces, hence their authenticity. I really do think
(30:44):
that they're very popular because maybe someone's you know, the
mask is up or the ghosting themselves. They're feeling that
but they haven't brought it to the fee and I
think that that can really stir up some sort of
emotion and then hopefully change and move forward. I believe
(31:05):
that they're really popular, and often when we do.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
The soft these two, Oh God.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I love your questioning who would you pick?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I'm feeling I'm feeling right now that you're the more
emotional one.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I am. I feel people really deeply.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You could cry easily, you.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Could not talk, and I would feel your energy. Don't know,
I feel people, and if you're quite strongly strongly.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Nicholas the performer funny, I think you perform. You're seeing
you're out there, but I think I think Nicholas not
showing us everything everything you're you're you're showing yourself. Okay,
we'll get by performer. She's yes, I get that straight guy.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
You know what I would say that that also said
it's interesting, but you know, I think I've got all
the empathy there. But one hundred and three year old
doctor Gladyson McGarry, we had her on and we've actually
had her on like now, we've replayed that because it
was so popular and interview. She was on a bike,
so she was super popular as well.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, bike riding.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'm going it's funny when you say that because your
die will come to the foe with her emotion as
I'm very emotional, but I'll have a thing on until
i'm reading. Yeah, but it's funny. On the first Over
the Money Fence one, we had Roger for one hundredth episode.
We've done one hundred and fifty now, but the very
(32:42):
first Over the Money Fence one. Remember at the end,
I burst into tears and I surprised myself and then Sam,
our producer, burst into tears and it was that real
thing of going he's a really nice guy going on.
He's a really decent guide. And it was I think
it was just that sort of big emotion there and
(33:03):
they're all going, oh, we haven't seen you, chronicler, and
I surprised myself.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It was financed and it was I cried for the relief.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You just feel relief.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, it was just a really when you love it
when you meet some of a really genuine person.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And so the person Montgomery, I.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Don't know, You've got to connect, Yeah, so they could.
I just want to I do want to raise something
with your relation to what you're doing with the money show.
Is it's interesting that I think you might have mentioned, Nikola,
we are going to live longer because of health technology,
just bothf and but in order to live better. The
problem is superinnovation fall short in that the the mathematical
(33:49):
or the calculation of how much superinnovation employees should put
away is based on assumption that when it comes to women,
that you're going to die at eary one point two
years of age. That's the average agent Australian woman and
bridge when she dies. And and as a result of that,
they say, well, we also assume you're going to retire
sixty two or five. We also assume that you need
(34:10):
so much money to live on and you own your
own home. Therefore, by the time you reach eighty one
point two years of age, you'll have nothing left. But
if you live beyond eighty one to eighty one point
two years of age, because you know you're better connected
with health technology or you're better connected with we just
know things are better, you could possibly run out of
money on the current supreneration. The way the current superhnovation
(34:32):
is worked. So young people say it not so much
our age, but twenty year old who's thinking when he
or she reaches sixty five, assuming there's no change, will
live to one hundred, not eighty one point five. But
the current twelve percent super is making an assumption that
(34:53):
you will live to eighty one point two. So there's
twenty twenty two very concerning on account.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So better we live longer. I'm working longer, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
They're not. I'm assuming correct. I'm assuming in that assumption.
The calculations assume you won't work longer after sixty five,
so we have to get a change.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's going to flip.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
The people got to say, say, well, I'm happy for
people work in my business till they're seventy five.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, I think that's changing now, which is so good.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
As got to change their mind. That's got to change.
So we're going to start saying, let them work to
seventy five because but the problem is, you know, the
thirty year old or twenty five year old wants you
to retire sixty five so that you're out of the way.
So they're goe an opportunity to do your work. And
then I ad AI on to.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
All this as well. Well, yeah, comes the question stirring.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, what's going to happen? Will we have enough money
to live a good life past that age? And we
all everyone is sitting in this room, what's the past
eighty one point two? I can tell you that for sure, because.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think we're going to go to the country, grow crops,
have communes, be happy, live near a river with fresh water. Honestly,
I think it's going to come to that where people
will go, well, I haven't got the money. I mean
a friend just went up the coast and all the
caravan parks are filled with women and they're unhappy as
(36:09):
could be a lot.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
For older women. The city is doing exactly that time.
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
The inn thing also for especially for older women as
well as traveling and they're staying at really cool hostels
and and they're having the but I.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Guess what you're saying that they're living off their pensions, right,
So therefore what Mark's saying is they'll get to a
certain age. Yeah, we'll hold on. You have to do
a lot of averages, you know that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
We do have to address that. And people also have
to have the mindset now of going you know, I've
just turned you know, sixty last year, and it's just
like going, well, I hope to work. I have to
work for another couple more decades.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You created your job.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yes, we created truth.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Everybody can do that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
No, no, no, I get that.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
True.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Get well there's the flip side of it too for
Tick and our age. Yeah, I at that.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
So that's explain to our listeners who are thinking about
doing a podcast what your business model is. So do
you advertise or what's your revenue model?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Our revenue Our revenue model is well, the best thing
that we do is the teasers on social media.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Do you.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I don't see our platforms really with Instagram based actually,
and then we do all that you know with with
TikTok YouTube, so sort of through that and then we've
had some sponsorship. We only just went on YouTube, and
it's taken us time to get there.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
So we started it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
To we're doing it. We don't have.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Guys students as our baby, and so it's taken us
three years to our third gear now and now we've
turned it around and so now it's so.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
We do mid ads pre adds. We'll do a teaser
and talk about a product only that we use.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
We're doing find your advertisers responsors.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I actually find that I've got like ten at the
moment come to us and marketing.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And we've over the time too, we've had different.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Now we've got our numbers up, but you hustle, well,
we couldn't before obviously you know how it works the.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Start we did because you get numbers, you've got to
have numbers.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You've got to us, and we've got the numbers now
because there's a couple that want to come on board,
the big names, and they wanted to get to a
certain amount and we're reaching that very shortly.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So because what most people don't realize is that the
advertisers said that when you've got so many thousand downloads
or whatever the case, listeners or people following on Instagram
or people following a TikTok or all of them together,
then we'll sponsor you. They don't start at the beginning
of the year, or or they reset halfway during the year.
So you've got an advertising moral. You're not subscription.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
We're not subscription. No, we're not yet, but that may come.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It is on YouTube not pay it, yeah, but not
the are you doing you?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I'm subscribed to the.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Men advertisers And does that work well for you?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
The subscribe We've only just launched it, so okay, it's
actually a good model.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
A lot of people do they more and more now
likely you will continuing on doing that. But it was
good because I actually want to find out something further
with you, Mark. And then I went to do it
and I was going, I have to be subscribed.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
How we do it exactly? So?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And it annoys me. I get I rotated, not because
of you, but I need them do it now. I'm
dive CEO. I do that partty and it stopped. The
other day. I'm like, if you want to hear more?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And I'm like, ah wat and you still you won't.
What happened though, is you're either subscribe or you will
just listen to the free stuff, but you won't leave them. Yes, yeah,
you won't hate them that much that you leave.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
No, absolutely not. It just annoyed me and there's quite
a few that I've gone, God, that's irritating.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But I think that's interesting with the whole lot of podcasts.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I mean, you know more than anyone really mark, but
it is like, you know, you love a podcast, but
then sometimes you need to break, you know, because you
know you've really you know, had your feel on it,
and then it's like we've parted that for a while
and listen to something else, which you come back and
we sort of, you know, hope that with our podcast too.
We've got some really loyal listeners and that came as
a surprise to us. We did our first live event
(40:18):
this year and that was a hooch.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
That was so that we were so shocked.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Did you do it?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Hell? About one hundred and eighty people and it was insane.
It's with a couple of all our guests were panel guests,
people who are on our podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And it was great because you're talking about the podcast
and the model and whatever that's a really black Next year,
we're going to do Melbourne and what was the other
thing We're going to do next year in Melbourne and we.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Might want to do up to with the States as well, Marika, there's.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
A possibility in La. But it's it's again you know,
that mindset of I really believe what we're doing is
a great thing, like as in you know, because it's uplifting.
I find some of the podcast can get a bit
heavy and coming back to my terminalogy boxing with the
genre where we're not we're not history and crime and
(41:08):
news and current affairs like you like Mark, I do
whatever you do.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
At that live event, we had, we got people we
listened to your podcast, and we had someone came from Perth,
a few.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Came from were shocked and we've been asked to do
it in Melbourne next year and we went yeah it.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
So what's new? What's next? I should say, what are
you going to do next? Like you've got you've got
a couple of podcasts America in America America, like guys
you remember like how popular Oprah.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Was, you know, like they see the audience as well,
like a lot we're in the talk circuits, Women's who
Loved a podcast, they featured us. I don't know how
they found us, but then they were saying a bit
like the Oprah and Gale or whatever. But that's sort
of not really, but it's just people sort of in America.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Good friends.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, did you ever think yourselves, in your world as
dreams that you'd be doing this sort of something about
doing a roadshow in America?
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Oh you know, yes, yeah, I always know. I come
back to media.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Doing a roadshow on America, your own show.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
To me, I don't find any of that fine. I
find it so normal.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
We find it's interesting because even when we did our
first live event, we hadn't done that before. We instantly
felt so at home. Sorry, no, we got excited.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
I used to before a live show because I had
no order qure on those days. I had to remember
everyone's names and all the information and everything else. But
plus I went through a whole pregnancy with that too,
and that was not cool on camera in those days,
to be pregnant. You can't have a pregnant woman on camera.
You did it, I did it. But anyway, yeah, it's
and is your show scripted?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Sorry? Do you script your show.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
We do.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
We try.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
We researched everyone.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Oh god, you know within any side.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Out because you love it, because you want to know
more and more.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
But do you know if you guys from tangents like
you're a great into you because you're so chilled, Mark,
you just you allow the flow. And it's I think
that that's.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
No one was about me when he was.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
My audience likes to hear my guess.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yes, one of your best interviews I've heard a lot.
We had the same guy on who we've since become
buddies with Tim Olson. I love the way you structured
and managed his emotions his life from beginning to end. Yes,
I was howling through it, but then I was laughing,
(43:40):
and then I wanted to hug him, and I want
to hug you and thank you for holding his space.
Well done.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
A friend of the family for a long time. Yes,
and I brought a lot of bloody from you.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Well, i've since because we we knowed Tim quite well.
And the other one is Harry Triggerbov. He's a friend
of mine, my brothers. Colin scott'son.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
You.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You just and he actually said to Colin great interview.
Mark Burrows he conducted a great interview just to get
that is a friend. He's a good dude and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Be's a legend John Howard.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I don't care what side you vote. He was strong
and brave leo, you know, to actually control got the
guns in this country. Like he's revered around the world
on both sides of politics. Like how did the dude
do that?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm going to give a shout out to Ben Fordham.
I love the one with Benny.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
I thought that was fantastic and it just he's such
a great guy and that just really came across. And
I'm really excited because I haven't heard from I just
saw it's about to drop. Is Mick Fanning Because I
made you when I flew for the Airlines for thirty
something years as a flight ATTENNT internationally and Mick was
one of those ones. Is a memory that stands out.
(45:00):
And I brought him back from South Africa. He is
in Jbay when he punched the does he talk about
about and he and the and the boys there and
he had he had all this Joel Parkinson and Ace
Buchanan and all these gorgeous hunks of men, and I
looked after them uh, and they it was like this
(45:21):
real brotherhood but that was such a fantastic one.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
And he's right up there, micfan Nicholas. You'll see that
Mick is a he's a great leader leader. It turns
out he's a really good leader and good business and
he leads people into into events like when Liz Moore
how he got on the Musk and got Musk to
organize a whole lot of Skylink Internet systems to be
(45:46):
sent to Liz Moore. And then he got Mick doing
and put him in his helicopter and fly him around
and drop off very spots. He's a great organizer, great leader.
People are to follow him. He's quite amazing Mick Fanning.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
And he's a traumatic traumatic line too. Let's you know,
often you when you're interviewing people and Nicola too, like
we talk about it a bit often. You know people
that are you, they're born with the spinner all there,
they've got everything and whatever. And I think, you know,
I have to say sixty percent of the people we interview,
(46:18):
against all odds, they've survived, a been successful and a
souring and giving back to others. So Mick Fanning class
the example of what you were just saying, and you know,
with his family, like my god, it's very.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Very much, but he's just chillill. He knows what but
he also knows he's very he's very h calculator, and
he like you know, he knows how to win an
event of the world, and he knows how to be
Keilly Slater of all people like you know that that's
pretty heavy, being able to be a dude like that,
Like you know, he's the goat and he has beaten
(46:54):
him and he's been Joel and he's been like many others.
He's very good. But today I interviewed before you guys
came in, had Tony, and Tony has launched a book
and it's going to come out a couple of days podcast.
But I asked Tony who was the best, who was
(47:15):
Australia's greatest prime minister? And he said, obviously you could
have set himself because anyone else.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
He won.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Hawk, Bob Hawk and of course John Howard, of course,
and politics didn't left. But he said Bob Hawk and
John Howard. And I thought that whether I'm maybe because
I'm around his vintage slightly older, but I see them
their two greatest politicians I.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Get that, and you know what they were. They were
the great hockey is related. You could relate to them.
Remember the America's carp. I loved Jim, you.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Know, like anyone who doesn't give him a staff member
was a bump.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Exactly exactly right, and I went, oh my god, I
think you are the greatest. And other people, you know,
you can't do that. Game's real.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
There wasn't after two weeks of polling. And he just
said it and he just got I loved it and
he could get away with that too. And John Howard
was like the the forever Statesman and everything he ever
did right down the middle, straight to them, very very
couraging Mark Cookies and we talked about courage, the important
of courage. We don't actually trying to get Julia Gillard
(48:35):
on the show. I think she was quite a courageous woman,
Julia against all us totally. I'd like to get her
on the show. And do you see much courage from
your guests, you know, do you? And what do you
think of courage and how important Because the courage is
always talked about by men, what about women?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
I think you know what courage is too, is so ability.
I think it's really when people really saying you've seen it,
maybe with first with me, but it's when really they are.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Showing their vulnerability there.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
And I think that's really courageous to be really honest
and go, you know, I stuffed up here. I made
the biggest mistake.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
I wish I had done that differently.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
I know those things there. I go, well, I so
admire that, and I.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Think, I think definitely, I think that. I think of letters,
I think of the word yes. I think when someone
uses the word. These young guys here in the studio,
remember this the word yes, because there's so much easier.
As we all know, I can't be bothered. I don't
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want to do that. I can't do that. I could
never do that. They can do that. I can't do that.
But why yes, why not say yes? Step into it,
you know, jump off at the saw. You know, I
really like an eagle that people are turn it around
and say, yes, we.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Got her own because she actually it was published in
the in the magazines, and she was like the year
of yes, and that was when her husband had died
and she was a younger mother with two georgeous girls,
and she starts her own supplement their women, and she
was like the year of yes, she's American from pole
dancing now.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
You know, and so its just I used to say
no a lot. Yeah I did, but I think I
say no.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
We find out too. Is like a lot of women
have avol sort of like when born around that generation
was sort of like raised a bit as people pleases,
you know, you sort of you go first or you
do that. It's funny you get to this stage now
and it's sort of like kicked down that door going
you know, like yes, but sometimes yes for ourselves without
it being because there's always been your selfish.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
She shouldn't do that way. We're going no like.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
That No, but women often like I can't feel that way.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
You'd feel your you go and then you go no,
you know, but you in your mind, mum, you shouldn't
feel that way.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
When she was a do you remember what she said?
Mum was away, you'd love my moms. The most amazing
woman who's passed on that she said when she turned davy,
she said, because I said, Mom, you can't say that,
She went, darling, I'm eighty, I can say do what
I want. And I went wow, and that really washed
all over me. And I thought, damn it, that's courage. Yeah, exactly.
(51:29):
I love that anymore.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
It's like you can say, well, you know, when I'm
loving with the younger ones too, they could say a
lot of them have that courage and they just go
straight out there and they're not afraid to that or
they're not afraid to question their boss, and so hey,
you know that's so were we within reason with the reason,
but to question your boss when you you know, like
we're growing up. You know, when I was gone with
the airlines, you wouldn't do it, but you were told Nichola,
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you're doing this.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Or something.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
You know, you wouldn't sort of speak up that way.
Whereas now that's all changed. But I think you en
courage that real And that's what I love with courage.
And everyone's got their own story in whatever way it is.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
The courage is a key thing hero like it's't. We
don't talk enough about courage and what it means. And
I think younger people don't really get to talk about
these sorts of things like virtues like courage and you know,
consistency and hard work, and I mean, no one, no
one shares that stuff with them, and you know, I.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Think by example, but it's also to be afraid to
don't be afraid to fail, because to have courage. I
mean luck, you know with the podcast, whenever a lot
of people go, I wouldn't do that. Well if it
didn't work, well it doesn't work, you know, like it
sort of don't be afraid, and you know we do
stuff ups, Things happen, and I think that's the thing too.
You got to go okay, stopped up.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I see compassion with courage. I put it like, you know,
if someone says I can't do that, I often think,
if you here's someone who's so near it, I.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Just been telling them that they can't do it. Sorry,
who's been telling them that they can't do that?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
And then it's about compassion, holding that space exactly what
you just said and help them unravel that. I'm not
being a counselor, but just understanding where it it's coming from,
being compassionate, allowing space for them to move forward to
to head towards being more courageous or brave in your world.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Do you know when someone said you can't do this? Yes,
and that's what with people now going well, all of
a sudden, someone else people say not have done it before,
but I'm going to try to do well.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
That's a great thing about what you guys do so
people can see what you've done and you did it
later on in life. Yes, and it worked. By the way,
it's you were believing mistakes. You're going to learn from it,
You're going to get better at it. I mean, you
remember your first podcast, but compared to one hundred and
fiftieth podcasts, the first thing, you think that was terrible.
(53:59):
And I remember my very first podcast. I had six guests.
What was I thinking?
Speaker 2 (54:02):
What were you thinking?
Speaker 1 (54:03):
I don't know. No idea. My son, my youngest, my
second youngest son was my production to no idea, you
know what we're doing. It was right overy beginning.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
What's courage to you?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Courage it's somewhere between being well, being reckless and fearless
on one end and down the other end it's being
a coward. So it's somewhere in between. It's not exactly
in the middle. It's and I think for everybody it's different. Yes,
(54:36):
for me, I tend to be more towards the reckless
feeling flying love. The coward end could also be that
you're someone who doesn't like to take risk. And I
don't mean you're out now coward. You've got you're much
more risk averse down this end. And I can tell
you and my definition of courage for me is is
different at different stages of my life. So when I
(54:58):
was younger, I was way at the other end, fearless end.
That was my level of courage. I would sales reckless,
but I was borderline.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
You just bowl.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I'll be honest, there's probably you know, hormonally driven, because
you've probably got a lot more testostrange's a lot more
like risk, not as risk averse. As I get older,
you know, we started mellowing a bit more defensive. So
it's sort of moving back towards this way. I don't
want to get past halfway if I can. So yeah,
So courage is in I doing measurement sense, But so
(55:32):
I like to measure it in that sort of.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Love hearing that I think he's courageous because you're the
mentor tell me. I want to ask you, what what
do you gain from interviewing people?
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Now?
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Social life, I'm lucky to hear that, you know what,
we're the same.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Actually, so, okay, social life, I hear, But how much
of that goes beyond.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
It does beyond, okay, but I do plenty of them.
So I'll do four hours or three or four hours
worth of socializing and I get paid, and I learned,
and I learned about things, and then I also get
to meet people that would not not otherwise get to meet.
(56:14):
So I feel and that actually helps me then feel
grateful and practice gratitude and maybe learn something about myself.
And when I learned from you guys, I learned. I
try to pick up one little thing or be reminded
of something already knew or something learn from us normally,
normally I normally I reflect on these things. So because
at the end of every day, I sit down and
(56:36):
try and bank little things. What's bankable? What do I
learn today? What valuable things do I get that I
can put into the bank?
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Language that's we love, that's very healthful.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
So we share that the same with our podcast. You know,
we do flow sometimes from the podcast. It flows over
and we do have a sort of social life as well.
But the the biggest gift as well is the friendship
we get with every single person because we're going it's
a connection, whether they laugh or cry, it's a real thing,
(57:08):
and it's so fantastic, Like it's I can see what
you're feel that like I feel. Now. I've got a
new friend in Mark.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Fors what we do.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
We're and.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
I appreciate the opportunity to sit down and talk to
you guys. And I want more females on the show,
so some women.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Come on regularly. Amazing.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
I was actually feeling quite tired. Today is my time,
you know, you get tired, and and I was getting
I was getting that period. And then I didn't realize
I had another podcast, and the boys said was going on,
and I said, there's one more podcast, and but you
(58:01):
give me great energy, So die Woods and I'm going
to do a reverse Nicola. Good to see you guys.
Thanks you pleasure you guys who are going They're so
good that the boys beautiful.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
We will, Charlie and Anthony and they were so excitable
coming on.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
We will.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
So I think they're one of the originals the O
G S. I think they are sure have it honored that. Yeah,
So I'm just shout out to the Puda Boys and
you guys. Thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Thanks Mark. I loved every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Thank you
Nikola Dale and die it would welcome to the mentor
thank you with your wine than.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
She is. Well, we helped make this wine.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We did.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You don't mind us saying, because I know you have
a vineyard. We made it. You know what it is.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's a bold blend, made with bold women, inspired by laughter.
Shared over the back fence. The twenty eighteen release celebrates intuition,
connection and the courage to say yes. And this is
all out of a meeting with our mutual friend Linda
Muddle right over Lisa mcgwigan. This is her wine. Here
(00:38):
her back fence.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Which one is yeah? And so Lisa was your guest.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
On our podcast Over the back Fence, and so dian
Ni coulds a tribute to spontaneous friendship and spirited conference.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
We literally did help make the wach We were thrilled
to not squashing grace with our feet, but we were
actually tasted.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So we've got to collab over the wine fence as well,
over the back fence. Money fans.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She's pretty cool, Lisa, she's great cool. Her family, Yeah,
they're great.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
People, they're good, strong stock. What have we got We've
got the beautiful, We've got the pinut Grigio and the
chiras and.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah that's good. I've got the pinu grity. But don't
you love it too. That's also like the mcgwigan that's Lisa's.
She's with the van and she's got the crosses.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That, by the way, that's not mcgwig and wine.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
L you spot on saying that she likes to Actually
I get that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I have bought wine from her in the past or
I love hearing this. She I'm a rule Lisa mcgwigan fan.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Sheers to Lisa and cheers to friends.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I wish I could with water and your friends.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, love it to make you.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Thank you much. You two best friends, best mates for
a long time. I can't believe you're running you're running
a business that after living next door to each other
all literally literally family years, forty years. You've been hanging
out over the fence for forty years, the fat.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Having a cup of tea, cooking some scones. We've definitely known.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It together with a kiss who rose together.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yet we're partying non stone to.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Each other's parents' funerals. We've been through, We've gone through divorces.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
To travel the world together. It's nowhere in the world.
We haven't traveled together. And the other night, this was
the funniest night. We've been all down the studio and
Nicholas rents her place out on abb and she was
staying at my house and I thought, and we were laughing.
I fell off the couch laughing, and I thought, all
day we've worked together. She's say, we're living together and
(02:53):
we're laughing our heads off, and I thought, that's pretty
bloody unque didn't. It was like a moment of Wow,
what are we got? What do we have? It's just gone.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And then I'll go back to my you know, like
separate apartment there we've had all this time together, and
the phone will ring because I've got to tell you this.
It's just so you can't make that happen. It just happened.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Did you want to get a word in Mark? No.
But it is one of those situations where, like I remember.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
About forty years, like those days, people would change if
it rained, you go and take their clothes off the line.
Neighbors knew each other and they helped each other. Christmas Day,
you know, you invited each other for a drink. These days,
you know, I wouldn't even know my neighbors. I actually
don't do not know my neighbors in fact, And you
(03:46):
know what on that notemark.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
We've all heard about the Harvard story about lifestyle of
the human race and how they've proven it's not about
your cholesterol and it's not about you know that, your
diet and your exercise. It's actually, if you want to
live longer, if you want to live happily, more fulfilled life,
have connection, have people in your life, Have people around you.
(04:08):
Because yesteryear, what you were just saying, people like Madge
with a cigy hanging out would go with the curls
in it, things aren't going well with the hobby whatever,
and the neighbor would go, hey, take a seat, what's
going on? You know, on a bus you'd talk. Now
everyone's on phones, you know. I caught a ferry the
other day. I live up at Palm Beach and it
(04:28):
was from Metalong to Palm Beach. I got the first
fair I think it was six am. It was the
most beautiful sunrise I ever seen in my entire life.
And I was looking around. The whole fairy is packed
with trades and whatever. Not one person saw the sunrise.
Everyone was on the phone. Everyone was on the phone,
and I thought I just wanted to go and smash
them all and go, hey, look at your missing out
(04:50):
the beauty in life. So connection for me is I
come from a family, bad kids and Nick's my six sister.
But to me, connection is as important as monitoring the
blood tests that you do to see where you're at
with your health.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, or community is really important. And I think it's
like they keep talking about the four horsemen that cause
you to die? Can hard take someone? Can some two?
Brain disease number three, metabolic disease number four, and that's
a Peter two keeps talking a member. I think the
fifth one is if you're lonely, you know that will
(05:27):
if you don't have a community around you. I think
that definitely makes you optimize your health. If you have
all of the other three covered, but you don't any friends,
you you know, you've got nowhere.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It's a blanket over the.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's like, you know, when you're sort of saying with health, wealth,
but what's the most really important thing and when you
need those ones but is friendship. It's connection, and it's
that really true authentic connection and not everyone has to
be best. Is like us, and how God know, we
feel grateful, very lucky that we acknowledge that as well.
(06:02):
But still is staying connected with sort of someone and
that is so much important because you know, you can
have all you do for Horseman, which is fantastic, and
get your health good. But if you haven't got a connection,
you haven't got someone who sort of really cares, or
someone you can call, or someone you can share a
life experience with.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Its interviewing Gus walland from Gotcha for Life, you know, Gus,
amazing guy, amazing guy. Just from that interview. I got
quite emotional on that interview. Just how someone getting emotional now, No,
I really am. Because it was about he would text
people during the day guys, guys, rugby dudes, I love you,
(06:45):
I love you, mate, I love you, hype, Everything's okay,
that's all you do.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Esse.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I know it's a text, it's not a fun call.
But he would like have hundreds and so many of
them would come back, mate, thank you or wow, how
are you doing? And some would go yeah, like are
you for real? Like yeah, And it's a little thing sometimes,
isn't it, Even if it's not As she said about
being such close friends, you come coming back to your
(07:12):
said community connection and podcasts. I think is a great
gift in that sense. It's particularly I'm not going to
say ages, but you know, I'll say, you're starting in
fifties and sixties, a lot of things change.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
When you guys were first neighbors who got their first
met you were the first.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Mine's a funny story. Oh it's a funny story.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Funny, weird or funny.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Funny, bizarre. I'll cut it really short, but we my
husband and I bought the lamb, We built the house,
we sold the house to buy a real estate business,
and and seven years ago my husband said, oh, that
house has come up again. I went, oh, I'll be
nostage you go back and have a look at it.
I'm cutting this really short. As I went to close
(08:01):
the door, I went, god, he hasn't touched it since
the eighties. They're getting the idea of my aide closed.
As I was closing the door, I heard three toots
of a horn of the ferry down the bottom. I thought,
how cute. And I looked over all the beaches. I said, oh,
there's seven beaches. Closed the door. The next day I
was meant to go and see clever. A girlfriend had
bought me for a gift. I forgot. She rang me,
(08:21):
ran in. She went, oh my god, she said, I'm
getting the tout of a horn and I can see
all this water it is at our house. I'm going
and I'm going, I'm going backward. She went to sit down.
I went, oh my god, and I'm cutting short again. Anyway,
I said to my husband.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
He went as if.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And on Monday she said, a guy will come. Tuesday,
a woman will come that wants to put a pull
off a blah blah. And by the Wednesday afternoon we
exchanged on it. So that's the story of the buying
the house back that we built.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So if we've lived in different parts in that area
and then Nikola by apartments and at the time I
didn't even realize actually geographically on you all close, it
was actually going to be on your back fence.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And then when we actually you know, I think I
was having a champagne but it's funny, and then they
know you've got to be careful. You know, you might
have an issue with one of the neighbors there. They're
going this often get there's music and there's champagne corks
flying from from going perfect this is finely.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So that's how that happened.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I got that separately to like actually knowing that was
the back fence. But we had been friends that fortunately
of friendship before before that, and I said, you know,
we're pregnant together, our kids went to pum beage kindy together, everything,
all those different stages of life. We've gone through the good,
the bad.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And the ugly. We've been in fetal position, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
From drinking, all emotions tripping over.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But we have literally gone through the highs and lows
of life and also what's really important in life. And
they look at all of us share a podcast together.
It is just a dream as well, which is just
I wouldn't have done it a few years ago. Only
now in our sixties. I started my fifties die. She
(10:13):
likes to throw me under.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's like, I don't know, because I say to a
lot of people that Nick and I noticed were lost
about a whole new beginning. Because you've heard of the
word bloody agism, and it's massively out there, even coming in.
I pressed a channel on the radio station. I was
an older woman talking, Oh, and she goes, here's Jimmy Barnes.
I went, oh, and I love this woman, but there's
(10:37):
this judgment, right and I and I said to Nikola,
there's so many people around us in the world who
are aging, who are lost in a void and or
sept separated, divorced, widowed or such like, as she said,
lonely lost as in what do I do now I've
(10:58):
retired or the kids have left and such like, and
they're lost, And it's like, oh, my god, as you age,
you've got so much to give. There's so much wisdom,
there is so much life to share, of your life
to share with others. And to me, that's that's the goal.
That's not the goal, that's that's racing at the moment
with the share market. But that's the goal. That's the
(11:19):
treasure that I think we need to search for. And
that was one of the triggers behind studying.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I was hiking with my Gabriella Power, who's a TV
journalist in a Sky News Power Outs she got her.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Own show, and you're hiking.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was hiking. Yeah, So you know, it's just like
when you're in mother Nature and there's the sort of
in between that time we're in COVID, but you could
get times when you could fly in and out. So
we're actually in Tasmania hiking and then that time of solitude,
I was walking by myself and in mother nature. And
then that night it was Gabriella and I having dinner
together and I said a spark and I said, I
(11:56):
think it was that walking in nature. And before that,
I've been listening to some podcasts and I said, I
think dian I should do a podcast together.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Now she'd be brutal.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
She'd go like no, mum, like no, no way, and
she's straight away going, oh my goodness, yes, and so yeah,
she's like Auntie day Die and so right there.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And then I.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Sent you a message. I think you're in Aspen at
the time, and I said, what what's your thoughts of
doing a podcast? And then Dye's gone straight away going yes.
And there was all this thing exactly like you know, loneliness.
We can talk about divorce, marriage, break up, you know,
and get that sort of Also when people are down,
what sets when it's that they suffer that dark night
(12:37):
of the soul and how they can turn that round,
And a lot of our guests we've had that as well.
You know so, and so Die's like yes, and within
no time. Then with both our energies.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And Nicola flying for thirty years, you imagine the people
she's met, the people she you know, understanding people. I
was in television for a long long time doing morning
live television and I was your come back to the media,
but I didn't know what platform. And that just landed
literally on our laps. And then the Potuda guys just
well we just that we they were like mothers to
(13:11):
them and we just laughed, Yeah, they look.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
After yeah, And so there was like the mothers we've
always wanted to have.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, we just laugh.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We just the one that we bring it those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So when you when you so you text Die I did.
She obviously said yes, let's do it, and you were
and and you're you're doing a hike. But what's what
was the next step? Because it's great to have a
good idea. Everyone then looks at what you're doing, looks great,
you know, think wow, but people like, how did you
(13:48):
do it?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Do you know the next step? But for us was
literally getting the getting the iPhone out. And we've got
an amazing circle of friends and every single body has
a story, you know, like and you know, I think
like with you, you love everyone.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You don't judge a book boat's cover.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And we've had people from doesn't matter if there's a
celebrity or not. Sometimes the most interesting in the non
But with our girlfriends, just in a core close girlfriends,
was like, hey, can we come over and have a
chat with you? And if we had to started it,
if we had a better quality, I'd put them, I'll
drop them because they were fantastic. So Diane, I just yeah,
(14:23):
let's list, let's interviews, you know, such and such like practice, Yeah,
just test.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But from the very.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
First time, the first one we did, we loved it
and we got that really introduced from them, that really
sort of and we're just on such a high. And
then the next.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
One and we loved one and we but at the
end of the day, I think the crux or the
foundation studio is we love. It's in our DNA. We
love people like we love people, and some people have
to try to love people or enjoy people's company. We
just can't get enough for people.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And you don't want that to be annoying because people
to love people, No, we do. It could you go, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Compassion you're yeah, so you're very compassionate and understanding. But
do you love to talk to people about their story?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yes, it's everything.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, you're getting us to talk because normally I'd love
to just get your stir. I know you don't want
to talk about it, but we questions for you. Yes,
it is weird for us because we're so used to
doing that, you know. So it was from that then,
because we had the passion. And then a friend of
ours used to be a producer in TV and radio
and did a podcast back in the day, and we
(15:36):
asked her, would you be interested?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What do you think of this? Do you think this
has got legs? And she's kind on YouTube?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Would be great?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And we chatted with the TUDA guys.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
How did you find them?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Friends? Just through friends?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You asked someone who's got a studio.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
These ual friends that we had, and then they said
would like to have a chat and they were just like, oh,
let's see, and then they just they're so encouraged opened
their eyes with us three years.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
But you know, the momentum you create and for everyone listening,
you know, if you're finding right now that you're sort
of stuck in mard and you're you're just not moving
forward because you're ever thinking if you really truly believe,
if you sit in your truth and you're authentic about
it and let go of all the negative greenlins, and
all of a sudden you find things just clicking the
(16:27):
gear and it's almost like you're just flying with it.
You know, all about that mark. You know, if you
believe in something, you're passionate about something, and you back
it up with that positive energy, it's incredible momentum.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It truly is where do you guys from that? Oh, broker,
is it the subject matter or is it the subject matter?
Is the thing you is it the thing you're going
to talk about? Or is it the person you're talking to?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
That's a good one, think, you know what, I think
it's sort of nearly irrelevant as it turns out, Well,
we are both high energy people. That's just you know,
areas with double areas, and I've always been pretty much
go go go, but that's sort of me, you know
who I am. But I think just genuinely, regardless of
the subject matter, regardless of who's sitting in front of
(17:22):
us there, it's the inner energy of really connecting with
that person. I think I get the biggest buzz and
we share.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
No when you're connecting those I.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
See a bud and I see a flower and I
see it unfolding. Literally, it's like because they come in,
it's not saying they're probably nervous, you know, I get that,
and probably nervous, and you know they haven't been interviewed before,
which we've been very fortunate to get a few upfront,
you know, the first time that we've interviewed someone in
(17:54):
that in that arena. But it's like, I think if
you can feel like you're very comfortable to sit in
front of Mark, if you've got that energy, people start
relating and the questions aren't like a barrage. It's more
of a just a gentle sort of flow conversation. So
we have questions often. It's like, so left Field didn't
(18:16):
go for one of those, and I think it's letting
them look. We love to have fun too. It's all
part of it. Don't because you seriously, it won't change
you drink.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
You're doing it. We have here.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It depends on what it is when normally we don't.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know, it's like television.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I was.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
No mcgigan. We had a lot depends on the actual
sort of like selver thing, but.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, do it once and it's great. I think you'll
do it again the game again. But we do love
a shame.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So just for people who are thinking about maybe I
need a podcast, or I want to do a podcast,
or i'd like to have a podcast too, maybe enhance
one business, or just don't want to do a podcast,
and you know, we'll talk about the podcast models. Various
models there are in the moment. But what would you
say to those people who are nervous about doing it
because you're luckys two of you. Let's say it was
(19:10):
one of you. How different would it have been?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I actually couldn't. I wouldn't like it. It would be,
but i'd be I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So it's more about the two of you, it is.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's an even flow.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's like like you're second guessing each other. I can
see it, and then you're feeling in her senses. If
you asked her the question, she answered the question for it.
So how much how much power is it there having
(19:42):
like a partner in this?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I love your questions? Will put it this way, She's
the wind beneath mar wings. Something else to learn about.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
She'll go at the drop.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Of a s h and I'll go but it's okay
because we can blah blah blah. So I'll go low,
she'll go high, and vice versa. So it's always this
equilibrium and this flow. And if I didn't have that,
I think I'd actually get a bit bored. I go
let it yourself, No, just go Oh could be because
(20:23):
we bounce, it's like it's like an it's like a battery.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
You've got that shared excitement, like a special guest that
I've been trying to get for a while or something.
It's great to go, wow's a die guess and I'm like, yes,
guess who's now we're getting contact, which was great. Guess
who's contacted us? Uh? Like when we got the call
from Mark from you going, people like yay, that is
(20:47):
so much better.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
They were really thrilled.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
There are my original show called the Michaels Show, like
Regional original eight years ago.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Well, we just told them of the excited.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
They was so excitedtageous. I've been on the show.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
There's so much fun and we're doing We're going to
an event with them. They came up to our house
for my house for Sunday lunch. We have to put
kick them out because we're having too much fun. And
I excuse me, do you know I'm your elder. You
have to leave now? They're great? You know, like, what do.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You explain the format of your show? So, so what
are you doing? One a month, one a week, one weekly?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, we do weekly, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You've got a few different ones, haven't you. Yeah, so
what are your shows?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We've got the podcast, which is again we don't we
have a board, broad spectrum. We don't box ourselves into
a genre. So Monday is, you know, whatever it is.
The infants has to be inspiration, something to inspire someone
driving listening whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And even if they've hit rock boshom, yeah, it's we
can always sort of find sort of something in it
that seems to be space. It's a great space.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And then on the Thursday only.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
We've done a dian Nicola.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
We'll yes, I keep asking us to do it. We
want someone else in there.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And then Over the Money Over.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
The Money Events that's the second podcast. Yeah, so that's been.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
This year and we've been so excited Mark about that
one because you know it's.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Over the Money, Over the I think about the play
on the words over the back fence. We can put
anything in that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Over the one fence actually with Lisa mcgwigg, but over
the over the back fence with Roger. We've had Roger
Montgomery who's a financial expert, so he's coming in. So
we've when it's really funny because we talked about everything
in life basically as best is for forty years. The
one thing we didn't talk about was money and finance
(22:45):
because we just sort of thought we didn't really know
too much about it all. With you, it was sort
of conversation, a bit taboo in our younger days to
talk about intimidating.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It was just sort of, yeah, I don't want to
bring finance. What's happening now is.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You get to this stage of your life, especially as
a woman, in this mid age of our life. There's
so many whether they've been divorced, whether they've lost her husband,
or whether they're in a situation there that they didn't
know that they would be.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
But this was feedback, Yeah, feedback, and listens said, well,
not specifically, but that podcast then.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
It was great. Weeks of films with Roger Montgomery came on.
But we need sort of someone who's going to talk
about finance to help us out because we don't. We're
students ourselves, and it's been the best thing because we're
learning all.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
We're literally like to.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Make money fun and trying to going. You know what.
I might have known about it then, but I need
to now I am in this situation.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Give an example, super exactly, arbitrage.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I didn't. I thought that was military. I thought that
was like a ship, right, like compounding compound, yeah, which
my money would come. But you know, like and we're
not coming like being comedian, we are pure with our question.
And Roger laughs the whole time because we go I
got school. It's still funny that love to have a chat.
(24:05):
But it's like, finance to me was always here. And
on that note, my father brought home the bacon, Mum
raised the children age, my husband.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Ran the house budget there. Sorry, but your mom r
the public.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Mum ran everything. But when it came to finance as
a rule back then, and I'm talking about back then,
things have changed, are changing and have changed in many ways.
But my husband with the business, I've always worked with
the kids, but he managed the funds right. And we're
noticing that we were noticing a lot of women with
(24:41):
anxiety around finance and no clarity and or fear, and
so therefore they were pulling back and back to that
word intimidating. It's it was finance. They were like, I
can't I will will have enough when I get older.
Oh my god, the kids. I want to look after
the kids. Like, how am I going to finance? You
look after my self? Look after the kids. So these
(25:02):
this feedback was coming to us and it was not
not totally but woven through. We enjoyed this podcast and
then can you get someone on to talk about finance?
And we're going, I want to put that on the podcast.
Well it finally happened because we were inundated, but there
was enough because we love the feedback, and I said, Nickola,
we're going to have to. There's a lot of people
(25:24):
and the fastest growing group of homeless people in this
country as women fifty four to sixty four. So bear
that in mind, guys. So I believe it's this. It's
ground grassroots, like it's education. And course we're so relaxed
about it. It's not sort of like where the jargon's
getting lost. What are they talking about because we questioned
(25:46):
the whole time Roger's going, God, another question, but because
we're so fascinated by it.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
But it's really good.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
We've found so the audience listening.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Sorry you're the audience, Yes, we really are. And so
many people have said, oh, well, like Nicola or thank
you for bringing this on, because it's not just sort
of financial talk that would be intimidating. It's sort of
like in Layman's Turn people who didn't know about it.
And also we're making it fun. We're having a giggle
along the way, and people are sort of writing in
(26:14):
instead of going, you know, I'm at this stage going wow,
I don't think I've got enough money to last, and
we're going to live longer, and we want to live longer,
so you know, And so now it's a really good
way of going addressing it. You can have hit in
the sand, which we did. You can try and or
not talk about it, because part of us will raise
that way absolutely, But then the reality is is going
(26:35):
If you do want to have a good life, it's
part of it. So it's sort of like, then get
rid of the fear. And part of the best way
of getting the fear is is actually by talking about it,
addressing it, having a little look what you've got, asking
a simple question and there's no silly question at all.
It's just like where do I start?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Do you remember Gilligan's again, cause you would? Do you
remember the theme song? And I want sing the song?
But the millionnaire and his wife? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Sing the song?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
That I will in a minute, But do you know?
You get my point? It's like, well, guess what, there's
me andaire women out there. It's just that flip of
that whole psychology and accepting it and embracing it and
moving all the negativity on. I've gone through it in
a huge way post divorce, you know, coming to terms
(27:27):
of it, because I do, And I'm so glad because
it's actually empowering ultimately to have a group on what
finances you have moving forward at this and middle age.
You know, I don't want to look after the kids.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It's been a gift and a surprise to us, and
I hope other listeners get that gift of going. It's
scary when you're going, I don't know what to do.
I'm in this situation, but the gift is there, going well,
it's so good now going, you can start again, you
can get confidence in there. It's not a scare. It's
actually really interesting. Look we're actually I'm loving all the
(28:03):
stuff about and talk about it and it's like any
I'm actually loving.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
It all much the conversation.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I love learning everything about it now and I was
listening to you what you're thinking. When the rates stay
the same and all that stuff they go, I can't
actually get enough of it now.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
It's like a new So it's been the downloads have been.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No mon month month, it's been. It's getting growing. Some
people actually said to us, going, we'll always we love
your podcast, we like you, but we'll actually always listen
to the money one below us away when we started it.
Everything on that topic. We've had sexperts, we've had all
these ones here money and we didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Want to do it.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So money phone is doing as well as it's doing
really well. Like what what performs best on your podcast?
What what something matters seems to do well?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Question?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Sex does well? Always well?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
We had have you had a sex ologist on had.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Sex ologies and I've had a porn star as well.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It would have been what intrigued and also had.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
A madam on who launched a book about her establishment.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, it's it's as I said, we had from.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
A sexpert, Susan Bratton, and that that sort of peaked
a bit. Sometimes they do certainly.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Got my brain going, well, what's the moment.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
But you know, David the Medium is also has been
very very popular. He just is actually touring around Australia
at the moment. He's a live seller show as in
a spiritual medium. He did a lot. He'd actually did
reading it to both of us twice actually, once when
he was sort of saying butterflies around. Funny that, sir
David the Medium really is very very popular, are we comedian?
(29:47):
We had also Sue Belle from Don't You.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Know of Her?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
A million followers, the queen of.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Palm Beach and Palm Beach, Florida, and we thought, and
I was saying, I got to get her off huge
and I said, now we're the Queens of Palm Beach
in Sydney, so the coens are there, We've got to
meet up. And we did a big link up and
she's got a really big gay following and she was
a hoot and she's re shared it. So in the
States we are quite popular in America. Surprise, so we've
(30:16):
looked at the thing there. So Sue Bells really peaked
in our US ones. There's we've got a lot of
downloads on it.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I think when there's also which you would know, Mark,
because I've been listening to you for quite a long
time and a couple or quite in a little while.
But to be honest, I think when they're really heartfelt
and emotion surfaces, hence their authenticity. I really do think
(30:44):
that they're very popular because maybe someone's you know, the
mask is up or the ghosting themselves. They're feeling that
but they haven't brought it to the fee and I
think that that can really stir up some sort of
emotion and then hopefully change and move forward. I believe
(31:05):
that they're really popular, and often when we do.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
The soft these two, Oh God.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I love your questioning who would you pick?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I'm feeling I'm feeling right now that you're the more
emotional one.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I am. I feel people really deeply.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You could cry easily, you.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Could not talk, and I would feel your energy. Don't know,
I feel people, and if you're quite strongly strongly.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Nicholas the performer funny, I think you perform. You're seeing
you're out there, but I think I think Nicholas not
showing us everything everything you're you're you're showing yourself. Okay,
we'll get by performer. She's yes, I get that straight guy.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
You know what I would say that that also said
it's interesting, but you know, I think I've got all
the empathy there. But one hundred and three year old
doctor Gladyson McGarry, we had her on and we've actually
had her on like now, we've replayed that because it
was so popular and interview. She was on a bike,
so she was super popular as well.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, bike riding.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'm going it's funny when you say that because your
die will come to the foe with her emotion as
I'm very emotional, but I'll have a thing on until
i'm reading. Yeah, but it's funny. On the first Over
the Money Fence one, we had Roger for one hundredth episode.
We've done one hundred and fifty now, but the very
(32:42):
first Over the Money Fence one. Remember at the end,
I burst into tears and I surprised myself and then Sam,
our producer, burst into tears and it was that real
thing of going he's a really nice guy going on.
He's a really decent guide. And it was I think
it was just that sort of big emotion there and
(33:03):
they're all going, oh, we haven't seen you, chronicler, and
I surprised myself.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It was financed and it was I cried for the relief.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You just feel relief.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, it was just a really when you love it
when you meet some of a really genuine person.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And so the person Montgomery, I.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Don't know, You've got to connect, Yeah, so they could.
I just want to I do want to raise something
with your relation to what you're doing with the money show.
Is it's interesting that I think you might have mentioned, Nikola,
we are going to live longer because of health technology,
just bothf and but in order to live better. The
problem is superinnovation fall short in that the the mathematical
(33:49):
or the calculation of how much superinnovation employees should put
away is based on assumption that when it comes to women,
that you're going to die at eary one point two
years of age. That's the average agent Australian woman and
bridge when she dies. And and as a result of that,
they say, well, we also assume you're going to retire
sixty two or five. We also assume that you need
(34:10):
so much money to live on and you own your
own home. Therefore, by the time you reach eighty one
point two years of age, you'll have nothing left. But
if you live beyond eighty one to eighty one point
two years of age, because you know you're better connected
with health technology or you're better connected with we just
know things are better, you could possibly run out of
money on the current supreneration. The way the current superhnovation
(34:32):
is worked. So young people say it not so much
our age, but twenty year old who's thinking when he
or she reaches sixty five, assuming there's no change, will
live to one hundred, not eighty one point five. But
the current twelve percent super is making an assumption that
(34:53):
you will live to eighty one point two. So there's
twenty twenty two very concerning on account.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So better we live longer. I'm working longer, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
They're not. I'm assuming correct. I'm assuming in that assumption.
The calculations assume you won't work longer after sixty five,
so we have to get a change.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's going to flip.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
The people got to say, say, well, I'm happy for
people work in my business till they're seventy five.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, I think that's changing now, which is so good.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
As got to change their mind. That's got to change.
So we're going to start saying, let them work to
seventy five because but the problem is, you know, the
thirty year old or twenty five year old wants you
to retire sixty five so that you're out of the way.
So they're goe an opportunity to do your work. And
then I ad AI on to.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
All this as well. Well, yeah, comes the question stirring.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, what's going to happen? Will we have enough money
to live a good life past that age? And we
all everyone is sitting in this room, what's the past
eighty one point two? I can tell you that for sure, because.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think we're going to go to the country, grow crops,
have communes, be happy, live near a river with fresh water. Honestly,
I think it's going to come to that where people
will go, well, I haven't got the money. I mean
a friend just went up the coast and all the
caravan parks are filled with women and they're unhappy as
(36:09):
could be a lot.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
For older women. The city is doing exactly that time.
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
The inn thing also for especially for older women as
well as traveling and they're staying at really cool hostels
and and they're having the but I.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Guess what you're saying that they're living off their pensions, right,
So therefore what Mark's saying is they'll get to a
certain age. Yeah, we'll hold on. You have to do
a lot of averages, you know that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
We do have to address that. And people also have
to have the mindset now of going you know, I've
just turned you know, sixty last year, and it's just
like going, well, I hope to work. I have to
work for another couple more decades.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You created your job.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yes, we created truth.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Everybody can do that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
No, no, no, I get that.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
True.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Get well there's the flip side of it too for
Tick and our age. Yeah, I at that.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
So that's explain to our listeners who are thinking about
doing a podcast what your business model is. So do
you advertise or what's your revenue model?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Our revenue Our revenue model is well, the best thing
that we do is the teasers on social media.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Do you.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I don't see our platforms really with Instagram based actually,
and then we do all that you know with with
TikTok YouTube, so sort of through that and then we've
had some sponsorship. We only just went on YouTube, and
it's taken us time to get there.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
So we started it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
To we're doing it. We don't have.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Guys students as our baby, and so it's taken us
three years to our third gear now and now we've
turned it around and so now it's so.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
We do mid ads pre adds. We'll do a teaser
and talk about a product only that we use.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
We're doing find your advertisers responsors.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I actually find that I've got like ten at the
moment come to us and marketing.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And we've over the time too, we've had different.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Now we've got our numbers up, but you hustle, well,
we couldn't before obviously you know how it works the.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Start we did because you get numbers, you've got to
have numbers.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You've got to us, and we've got the numbers now
because there's a couple that want to come on board,
the big names, and they wanted to get to a
certain amount and we're reaching that very shortly.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So because what most people don't realize is that the
advertisers said that when you've got so many thousand downloads
or whatever the case, listeners or people following on Instagram
or people following a TikTok or all of them together,
then we'll sponsor you. They don't start at the beginning
of the year, or or they reset halfway during the year.
So you've got an advertising moral. You're not subscription.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
We're not subscription. No, we're not yet, but that may come.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It is on YouTube not pay it, yeah, but not
the are you doing you?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I'm subscribed to the.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Men advertisers And does that work well for you?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
The subscribe We've only just launched it, so okay, it's
actually a good model.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
A lot of people do they more and more now
likely you will continuing on doing that. But it was
good because I actually want to find out something further
with you, Mark. And then I went to do it
and I was going, I have to be subscribed.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
How we do it exactly? So?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And it annoys me. I get I rotated, not because
of you, but I need them do it now. I'm
dive CEO. I do that partty and it stopped. The
other day. I'm like, if you want to hear more?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And I'm like, ah wat and you still you won't.
What happened though, is you're either subscribe or you will
just listen to the free stuff, but you won't leave them. Yes, yeah,
you won't hate them that much that you leave.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
No, absolutely not. It just annoyed me and there's quite
a few that I've gone, God, that's irritating.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But I think that's interesting with the whole lot of podcasts.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I mean, you know more than anyone really mark, but
it is like, you know, you love a podcast, but
then sometimes you need to break, you know, because you
know you've really you know, had your feel on it,
and then it's like we've parted that for a while
and listen to something else, which you come back and
we sort of, you know, hope that with our podcast too.
We've got some really loyal listeners and that came as
a surprise to us. We did our first live event
(40:18):
this year and that was a hooch.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
That was so that we were so shocked.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Did you do it?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Hell? About one hundred and eighty people and it was insane.
It's with a couple of all our guests were panel guests,
people who are on our podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And it was great because you're talking about the podcast
and the model and whatever that's a really black Next year,
we're going to do Melbourne and what was the other
thing We're going to do next year in Melbourne and we.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Might want to do up to with the States as well, Marika, there's.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
A possibility in La. But it's it's again you know,
that mindset of I really believe what we're doing is
a great thing, like as in you know, because it's uplifting.
I find some of the podcast can get a bit
heavy and coming back to my terminalogy boxing with the
genre where we're not we're not history and crime and
(41:08):
news and current affairs like you like Mark, I do
whatever you do.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
At that live event, we had, we got people we
listened to your podcast, and we had someone came from Perth,
a few.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Came from were shocked and we've been asked to do
it in Melbourne next year and we went yeah it.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
So what's new? What's next? I should say, what are
you going to do next? Like you've got you've got
a couple of podcasts America in America America, like guys
you remember like how popular Oprah.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Was, you know, like they see the audience as well,
like a lot we're in the talk circuits, Women's who
Loved a podcast, they featured us. I don't know how
they found us, but then they were saying a bit
like the Oprah and Gale or whatever. But that's sort
of not really, but it's just people sort of in America.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Good friends.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, did you ever think yourselves, in your world as
dreams that you'd be doing this sort of something about
doing a roadshow in America?
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Oh you know, yes, yeah, I always know. I come
back to media.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Doing a roadshow on America, your own show.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
To me, I don't find any of that fine. I
find it so normal.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
We find it's interesting because even when we did our
first live event, we hadn't done that before. We instantly
felt so at home. Sorry, no, we got excited.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
I used to before a live show because I had
no order qure on those days. I had to remember
everyone's names and all the information and everything else. But
plus I went through a whole pregnancy with that too,
and that was not cool on camera in those days,
to be pregnant. You can't have a pregnant woman on camera.
You did it, I did it. But anyway, yeah, it's
and is your show scripted?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Sorry? Do you script your show.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
We do.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
We try.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
We researched everyone.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Oh god, you know within any side.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Out because you love it, because you want to know
more and more.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
But do you know if you guys from tangents like
you're a great into you because you're so chilled, Mark,
you just you allow the flow. And it's I think
that that's.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
No one was about me when he was.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
My audience likes to hear my guess.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yes, one of your best interviews I've heard a lot.
We had the same guy on who we've since become
buddies with Tim Olson. I love the way you structured
and managed his emotions his life from beginning to end. Yes,
I was howling through it, but then I was laughing,
(43:40):
and then I wanted to hug him, and I want
to hug you and thank you for holding his space.
Well done.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
A friend of the family for a long time. Yes,
and I brought a lot of bloody from you.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Well, i've since because we we knowed Tim quite well.
And the other one is Harry Triggerbov. He's a friend
of mine, my brothers. Colin scott'son.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
You.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You just and he actually said to Colin great interview.
Mark Burrows he conducted a great interview just to get
that is a friend. He's a good dude and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Be's a legend John Howard.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I don't care what side you vote. He was strong
and brave leo, you know, to actually control got the
guns in this country. Like he's revered around the world
on both sides of politics. Like how did the dude
do that?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm going to give a shout out to Ben Fordham.
I love the one with Benny.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
I thought that was fantastic and it just he's such
a great guy and that just really came across. And
I'm really excited because I haven't heard from I just
saw it's about to drop. Is Mick Fanning Because I
made you when I flew for the Airlines for thirty
something years as a flight ATTENNT internationally and Mick was
one of those ones. Is a memory that stands out.
(45:00):
And I brought him back from South Africa. He is
in Jbay when he punched the does he talk about
about and he and the and the boys there and
he had he had all this Joel Parkinson and Ace
Buchanan and all these gorgeous hunks of men, and I
looked after them uh, and they it was like this
(45:21):
real brotherhood but that was such a fantastic one.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
And he's right up there, micfan Nicholas. You'll see that
Mick is a he's a great leader leader. It turns
out he's a really good leader and good business and
he leads people into into events like when Liz Moore
how he got on the Musk and got Musk to
organize a whole lot of Skylink Internet systems to be
(45:46):
sent to Liz Moore. And then he got Mick doing
and put him in his helicopter and fly him around
and drop off very spots. He's a great organizer, great leader.
People are to follow him. He's quite amazing Mick Fanning.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
And he's a traumatic traumatic line too. Let's you know,
often you when you're interviewing people and Nicola too, like
we talk about it a bit often. You know people
that are you, they're born with the spinner all there,
they've got everything and whatever. And I think, you know,
I have to say sixty percent of the people we interview,
(46:18):
against all odds, they've survived, a been successful and a
souring and giving back to others. So Mick Fanning class
the example of what you were just saying, and you know,
with his family, like my god, it's very.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Very much, but he's just chillill. He knows what but
he also knows he's very he's very h calculator, and
he like you know, he knows how to win an
event of the world, and he knows how to be
Keilly Slater of all people like you know that that's
pretty heavy, being able to be a dude like that,
Like you know, he's the goat and he has beaten
(46:54):
him and he's been Joel and he's been like many others.
He's very good. But today I interviewed before you guys
came in, had Tony, and Tony has launched a book
and it's going to come out a couple of days podcast.
But I asked Tony who was the best, who was
(47:15):
Australia's greatest prime minister? And he said, obviously you could
have set himself because anyone else.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
He won.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Hawk, Bob Hawk and of course John Howard, of course,
and politics didn't left. But he said Bob Hawk and
John Howard. And I thought that whether I'm maybe because
I'm around his vintage slightly older, but I see them
their two greatest politicians I.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Get that, and you know what they were. They were
the great hockey is related. You could relate to them.
Remember the America's carp. I loved Jim, you.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Know, like anyone who doesn't give him a staff member
was a bump.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Exactly exactly right, and I went, oh my god, I
think you are the greatest. And other people, you know,
you can't do that. Game's real.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
There wasn't after two weeks of polling. And he just
said it and he just got I loved it and
he could get away with that too. And John Howard
was like the the forever Statesman and everything he ever
did right down the middle, straight to them, very very
couraging Mark Cookies and we talked about courage, the important
of courage. We don't actually trying to get Julia Gillard
(48:35):
on the show. I think she was quite a courageous woman,
Julia against all us totally. I'd like to get her
on the show. And do you see much courage from
your guests, you know, do you? And what do you
think of courage and how important Because the courage is
always talked about by men, what about women?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
I think you know what courage is too, is so ability.
I think it's really when people really saying you've seen it,
maybe with first with me, but it's when really they are.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Showing their vulnerability there.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
And I think that's really courageous to be really honest
and go, you know, I stuffed up here. I made
the biggest mistake.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
I wish I had done that differently.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
I know those things there. I go, well, I so
admire that, and I.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Think, I think definitely, I think that. I think of letters,
I think of the word yes. I think when someone
uses the word. These young guys here in the studio,
remember this the word yes, because there's so much easier.
As we all know, I can't be bothered. I don't
(49:41):
want to do that. I can't do that. I could
never do that. They can do that. I can't do that.
But why yes, why not say yes? Step into it,
you know, jump off at the saw. You know, I
really like an eagle that people are turn it around
and say, yes, we.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Got her own because she actually it was published in
the in the magazines, and she was like the year
of yes, and that was when her husband had died
and she was a younger mother with two georgeous girls,
and she starts her own supplement their women, and she
was like the year of yes, she's American from pole
dancing now.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
You know, and so its just I used to say
no a lot. Yeah I did, but I think I
say no.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
We find out too. Is like a lot of women
have avol sort of like when born around that generation
was sort of like raised a bit as people pleases,
you know, you sort of you go first or you
do that. It's funny you get to this stage now
and it's sort of like kicked down that door going
you know, like yes, but sometimes yes for ourselves without
it being because there's always been your selfish.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
She shouldn't do that way. We're going no like.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
That No, but women often like I can't feel that way.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
You'd feel your you go and then you go no,
you know, but you in your mind, mum, you shouldn't
feel that way.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
When she was a do you remember what she said?
Mum was away, you'd love my moms. The most amazing
woman who's passed on that she said when she turned davy,
she said, because I said, Mom, you can't say that,
She went, darling, I'm eighty, I can say do what
I want. And I went wow, and that really washed
all over me. And I thought, damn it, that's courage. Yeah, exactly.
(51:29):
I love that anymore.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
It's like you can say, well, you know, when I'm
loving with the younger ones too, they could say a
lot of them have that courage and they just go
straight out there and they're not afraid to that or
they're not afraid to question their boss, and so hey,
you know that's so were we within reason with the reason,
but to question your boss when you you know, like
we're growing up. You know, when I was gone with
the airlines, you wouldn't do it, but you were told Nichola,
(51:51):
you're doing this.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Or something.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
You know, you wouldn't sort of speak up that way.
Whereas now that's all changed. But I think you en
courage that real And that's what I love with courage.
And everyone's got their own story in whatever way it is.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
The courage is a key thing hero like it's't. We
don't talk enough about courage and what it means. And
I think younger people don't really get to talk about
these sorts of things like virtues like courage and you know,
consistency and hard work, and I mean, no one, no
one shares that stuff with them, and you know, I.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Think by example, but it's also to be afraid to
don't be afraid to fail, because to have courage. I
mean luck, you know with the podcast, whenever a lot
of people go, I wouldn't do that. Well if it
didn't work, well it doesn't work, you know, like it
sort of don't be afraid, and you know we do
stuff ups, Things happen, and I think that's the thing too.
You got to go okay, stopped up.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I see compassion with courage. I put it like, you know,
if someone says I can't do that, I often think,
if you here's someone who's so near it, I.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Just been telling them that they can't do it. Sorry,
who's been telling them that they can't do that?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
And then it's about compassion, holding that space exactly what
you just said and help them unravel that. I'm not
being a counselor, but just understanding where it it's coming from,
being compassionate, allowing space for them to move forward to
to head towards being more courageous or brave in your world.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Do you know when someone said you can't do this? Yes,
and that's what with people now going well, all of
a sudden, someone else people say not have done it before,
but I'm going to try to do well.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
That's a great thing about what you guys do so
people can see what you've done and you did it
later on in life. Yes, and it worked. By the way,
it's you were believing mistakes. You're going to learn from it,
You're going to get better at it. I mean, you
remember your first podcast, but compared to one hundred and
fiftieth podcasts, the first thing, you think that was terrible.
(53:59):
And I remember my very first podcast. I had six guests.
What was I thinking?
Speaker 2 (54:02):
What were you thinking?
Speaker 1 (54:03):
I don't know. No idea. My son, my youngest, my
second youngest son was my production to no idea, you
know what we're doing. It was right overy beginning.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
What's courage to you?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Courage it's somewhere between being well, being reckless and fearless
on one end and down the other end it's being
a coward. So it's somewhere in between. It's not exactly
in the middle. It's and I think for everybody it's different. Yes,
(54:36):
for me, I tend to be more towards the reckless
feeling flying love. The coward end could also be that
you're someone who doesn't like to take risk. And I
don't mean you're out now coward. You've got you're much
more risk averse down this end. And I can tell
you and my definition of courage for me is is
different at different stages of my life. So when I
(54:58):
was younger, I was way at the other end, fearless end.
That was my level of courage. I would sales reckless,
but I was borderline.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
You just bowl.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I'll be honest, there's probably you know, hormonally driven, because
you've probably got a lot more testostrange's a lot more
like risk, not as risk averse. As I get older,
you know, we started mellowing a bit more defensive. So
it's sort of moving back towards this way. I don't
want to get past halfway if I can. So yeah,
So courage is in I doing measurement sense, But so
(55:32):
I like to measure it in that sort of.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Love hearing that I think he's courageous because you're the
mentor tell me. I want to ask you, what what
do you gain from interviewing people?
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Now?
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Social life, I'm lucky to hear that, you know what,
we're the same.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Actually, so, okay, social life, I hear, But how much
of that goes beyond.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
It does beyond, okay, but I do plenty of them.
So I'll do four hours or three or four hours
worth of socializing and I get paid, and I learned,
and I learned about things, and then I also get
to meet people that would not not otherwise get to meet.
(56:14):
So I feel and that actually helps me then feel
grateful and practice gratitude and maybe learn something about myself.
And when I learned from you guys, I learned. I
try to pick up one little thing or be reminded
of something already knew or something learn from us normally,
normally I normally I reflect on these things. So because
at the end of every day, I sit down and
(56:36):
try and bank little things. What's bankable? What do I
learn today? What valuable things do I get that I
can put into the bank?
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Language that's we love, that's very healthful.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
So we share that the same with our podcast. You know,
we do flow sometimes from the podcast. It flows over
and we do have a sort of social life as well.
But the the biggest gift as well is the friendship
we get with every single person because we're going it's
a connection, whether they laugh or cry, it's a real thing,
(57:08):
and it's so fantastic, Like it's I can see what
you're feel that like I feel. Now. I've got a
new friend in Mark.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Fors what we do.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
We're and.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
I appreciate the opportunity to sit down and talk to
you guys. And I want more females on the show,
so some women.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Come on regularly. Amazing.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
I was actually feeling quite tired. Today is my time,
you know, you get tired, and and I was getting
I was getting that period. And then I didn't realize
I had another podcast, and the boys said was going on,
and I said, there's one more podcast, and but you
(58:01):
give me great energy, So die Woods and I'm going
to do a reverse Nicola. Good to see you guys.
Thanks you pleasure you guys who are going They're so
good that the boys beautiful.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
We will, Charlie and Anthony and they were so excitable
coming on.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
We will.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
So I think they're one of the originals the O
G S. I think they are sure have it honored that. Yeah,
So I'm just shout out to the Puda Boys and
you guys. Thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Thanks Mark. I loved every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Thank you
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