September 7, 2025 • 52 mins
On Sunday, 25th June 2017, Jorn Jesper Jensen, known to all as Jesper, vanished without a trace. A devoted father and grandfather, Jesper’s sudden disappearance shocked his family and community. In this episode, we go back to the day it happened, retracing Jesper’s last known movements, the first signs that something was wrong, and the search that began to find him. More than 2,900 days later, the questions remain: what happened to Jesper, and why has he never been found?
In this episode Sally chats with Belle, one of his daughters, to ask why Jesper matters.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Appoche production.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
On Sunday, the twenty fifth of June twenty seventeen, Jawn
Jessper Jensen, known to everyone as Jasper, vanished in Perth,
Western Australia. Two days before he vanished, Jessper phoned his
daughter sounding distressed about his bank accounts. By the Sunday
he was gone.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
The sixty eight year old has disappeared without a trace.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
When his daughter Bell arrived at Jessper's home that day,
what she found raised immediate alarm. Blood all over the floor.
Two days later, Jessper's car turns up over an hour
away at the Lancelom Beach Hotel with no trace of
blood inside.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The discovery of John Jensen's car outside the Lancelom Beach
Hotel is a big breakthrough in the police for the
missing Ocean reef grandfather.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
In the middle of the West Australian winter. Police formed
a view that Jesper had driven to Lanceln to take
his own life, But the details don't sit right. If
Jesper was injured at home, how does his car turn
up clean? Where are the signs you would expect to
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see if a wounded man had driven that distance? Where
were Jesper's glasses, where were his shoes? And why were
the early assumptions allowed to shape the theory so quickly.
In this episode of The Missing Matter, Sally speaks with
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one of Jasper's daughter's Bell. They walked through the timeline
piece by piece, examine what was reported, what was recorded,
and what was missed. We'll ask why the clean car
seems to contradict scene at the house. We'll look at
why those who knew Jasper best are certain he wouldn't
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have left his grandchildren. And we'll ask the question that
has hoved over this case for years, why did the
first explanation become the only explanation as on The family
is still searching for answers and it's torn them apart.
This is the Missing Matter, Jasper Matters.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Welcome to The Missing Matter.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Bell.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Thank you very much for having me sale. It's absolute pleasure.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Absolutely And we've been friends for a while now, haven't
we on social media, have been chatting for a few years,
so it's kind of nice to sit down and have
a proper chat.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It certainly is. Yeah, So there's.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Been a lot going on in your world for quite
a long time. Your dad has been missing, it's the
twenty fifth of June twenty seventeen. Can you take us
back to the beginning, your dad growing up in Copenhagen
in Denmark and moving to Australia when he was just seventeen. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Look, look, he actually didn't talk a lot about about
his past growing up, and I think that was a
few reasons for that.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
But from what I gather is he didn't have the
best relationships with his parents.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
But what I do know is he decided to well,
first of all, go into the army for a little
while with his friend, but then that didn't last too
long and decided to get away from the snow and
come to Sanny, Australia. So yeah, jump to the chance
to immigrate over here and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And so Jessper met your mum Jerry, And how did
they meet.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Well, Dad tells me a funny story when he came
over here because he wasn't really connected to any particular area,
so he pulls out a map, shut his eyes and
literally put his finger on the map and landed in Scarborough.
So that's where my mum lived. And when they met there,
she was this little petite, surfy chick. You know, compared
to my giant father, they just immediately fell in love
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and the rest, Yeah, it was match made in heaven fate.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They would call that, I reckon just put their finger
on the map and I met my wife. Oh no,
how lovely. I love those stories. So you are one
of two of Jasper's daughters, can you just share with
us some memories that really captures who your dad was.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
He was to me, he was a very quirky, fun
loving dad. He enjoyed the simple things in life. You know,
he didn't want for March. We didn't want for March
because we were loved. He didn't take things too serious,
and he would just constantly make jokes.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I remember a lot.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
We'd have a roast dinner every Friday night, and you know,
without fail, he'd asked me, do.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
You want a leg or a wing?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
BINDI, you know, and he put his armor out like
a wing and kicked me it under the table with
his leg and Dad, I just want to wing. You
know that. You know he thought it was hilarious, and
you know it was funny. We just enjoyed the simple things.
And you know, after dinner we'd get some ice cream
and instead of getting balls, out like normal people. We'd
get the whole tub and put it in front of
us and we'd have one spoon each in each caller
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and we'd have a spoon fin every time. And it
was just the funny things, you know, the simple things.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And it's nice, the nice memories to have, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So, I know you've described him as being very hard working,
and he built your family home. That's impressive. Yeah, And
so what values do you think he instilled in you
as you were growing up.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Look, he never expected perfection. He never expected, you know,
me to get a's and things like that. But he
always encouraged me to do the best you can. And
he always instilled to be kind, treat others the way
you want to be treated. But also drilled into me
work hard and you got to pay off your mortgage.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
You know that was a big.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Thing for him, and having that security and looking after
his family.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And also just do what you love doing. Just make
sure you do what you love doing. Always turn off
the lights. I remember always.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Saying he's got to save electricity.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I do that now, And it's not like he's like mom.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And he encouraged you to play the piano sounds like
that was a pretty special bond for you guys.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It really was like he had his little workout equipment
in my piano room and you know he just listened
to me, practiced for hours, and it was just a
really a strong bond. You know. It took me to
every lesson, he took me to all of my competitions,
and it was just something special that we had together.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, and music is quite a powerful thought, I think
for me personally, even in my mom's case. With my mum,
and every time I hear a song, I instantly think
of her. You have you got any special songs that
you played on the piano that were a favorite of
yours and his?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
There's quite a few, but the one that stands out
is Walking in Memphis by Mark Cohen.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
And I remember learning that one for my first.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Ever competition and he was just so proud, Like when
I went to the water room stead for I was nervous.
I was twelve years old and you know, didn't know
what to expect, had to wait.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
To be thirty two. It was literally the.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Last one playing on the day, and you know, playing
a first time playing on a baby grand piano and
all that, but there he was ear to hear, and
I ended up when they called out the winners. You know,
I got highly commended and Dad's like, it's you. You
get up, get up with me.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I'm like, oh my gosh, like I just yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
So that's just a memory that I'll always hold you
close to my heart.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And that song would play very important part of your life.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I'm sure it really doesn't. It seems to come on
whenever I need to hear it the most.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So I don't know, that's probably your dad telling you, yes,
need a hug. Yeah, And so I am sad to
know that your mum Jerry Pastouen February twenty eleven, you
received a call from me sister telling you that your
mum was missing. That would have been really frightening moment
for you. Can you tell us about that day?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah, that quickly went from being the best day of
my life to definitely the worst day of my life
in the split second that phone call changed everything. Only
moments before that, i'd actually taken a pregnancy desk and
we'd actually just found out we were going to be
expecting our first child. And then a few minutes later
I get a call so that Mom's missing. I just remember, look,
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my world stopped. I looked at my husband, what.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Do you mean missing? Like, she didn't go out.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
She didn't you know, maybe went to the neighbor's house
and stuff like that, but.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You know, she wasn't sort of going out in the
town or anything.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
So I was like, okay, so I just think lot logically,
I just got to get over there and see.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Dad said what that was going on?
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Yeah, So driving over there was tricky, to say the least,
because you start, you know, mind wanders, and I started
looking down the alley way to see if she'd fallen
over or you know, stupid things. You don't know what
what's happened. I get to Dad's and I'm like, what
do you mean Mum's missy? You know, you could tell
her've been up all night. He's like, she can't find her.
I don't know where she is. Said, well, what's happened?
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He goes, well, we had our ROAs dinner last night,
happy as, and you know, then we joked about me
do all the dishes and which I didn't do, and
then she did the dishes and then went and played
on the computer. And then I just froze and I
just ran into the bathroom where the computer was, and
there she was. So she was so small, she'd the
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way she'd fallen down, she had a massive heart attack,
and the way she'd fallen down. Yeah, he just didn't
see her. So when he went and turned the light
off in the bathroom, he didn't think to look around,
didn't think she was in there. So I was going
to the neighbor's house. And so that was that moment.
And she was only fifty two. She was very young.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's very young. I'm so sorry that that's a lot.
How was your dad and how did that affect him?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Well, it was shocking for both of us.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
But luckily we actually sort of experienced it together in
a way because we could talk about it, you know,
and and then instantly you just go throughto this little
bubble of okay. You know all friends and family and
know they will surround you, and you spend time just
dealing with it. But that's important. Time like that two
weeks whatever leading up to the funeral. You know, you
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have time to plan, you have time to reminisce, you
have time to go through photos, you have time to
I wrote the eulogy so I was able to actually
honor my mum, you know, and I think that's really important,
and that's a way of being able to move on.
And Dad was a strong, very fun loving guy, and
I was really proud of the way he was able
to move on and look into the future and we
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have many more wonderful years to follow when you know,
I had children and he went on golfing holidays and stuff.
So yeah, we dealt with it, you know, but we
moved on.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That would have been a very hard time in life.
I would have imagined, how old were you then, Belle.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Oh gosh, how old would I be? Good question? She
died in twenty eleven. I was nineteen eighty babies, but yeah,
so she never got to meet my children exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And so that would have been heartbreaking too. Right, You've
just found out that you're pregnant, that you want to
go and excitedly tell your mum and dad that you're
pregnant about to have a baby, and you were not
that blow. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Yeah, we lost that baby, but I don't think that
was meant to be. I think that was not the
right time to bring a child into the world. Yeah,
so I think after experience all of that, and then
there was a phase where I was like, Okay, this
wasn't the right time, you know, but my time came.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
We know that I've got two beautiful children now.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So my son is almost Yeah, he's definitely looking a
lot like his granddad, tall and slim, and I look
at him now, going wow, Granddad would be.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So proud of you.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So you said, talking about the kids, you know, your
dad becoming a grandfather changed him.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
His house in Ocean Reef was just up the road
from this little park, and I remember like i'ld go
over there every weekend as much as I could. We'd
walk down the park and he'd be hand in hand
with my boy. He was four when he went missing,
but they'd be hand in hand and literally, oh, just
a little dead end because he was a little blondie,
just like Granddad, and they'd be, you know, just looking
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up at each other and giggling away, and it was
just such a special bond, it really was. And then
when I find out I had break up with a daughter,
I didn't tell everyone else it was a girl except Dad.
And he got to have that special moment knowing that
he was going to have a little granddaughter, and yeah,
he just loved young children.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It reminded him of when I was younger, and.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
He could, you know, use his sense of humor to
crack jokes and make them laugh.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So with regards to your family, what sort of support
have you had and what's that been.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Like for you?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I think because of the circumstances, it's not been as
conducive to having the entire family support, I guess over. Yeah,
that's a tricky one to answer. My main support base
has been my husband.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Without him, I wouldn't have been able to go through
this journey and I probably wouldn't be to this day.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
So with Jasper's family, are they all over in Denmark? Like,
does he have siblings? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I never met them.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I did know he was one of three, so we
had an older brother and a younger sister. And it
was only actually after when he went missing, that I'd
found out that my mum less the Little Cotton Sults,
had actually been keeping in contact and writing to my
auntie and letting her know about us. So she'd actually
reached out after the fact and we connected on Facebook.
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So the fact that I was actually able to get
a relationship up with my auntie and then finding out
I've got cousins and very similar age to me, and
they've got you and very similar age, And it just
opened up my little world. And I just pray one
day that I get the opportunity to go there and
actually meet them and get to know a part of
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you know, his background and his family.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, and it is hard when the world's apart, literally,
aren't they Like that is a very long way away,
so hard to keep that connection happening. And you have
a sister. What was your relationship prior to your dad
going missing? Liker?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Look, it was always a tumultuous arras but it was
never never easy.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You've said that you're certain that your father would never
have left his grown children, particularly intentionally. Can you share
with us while you believe that so strongly?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Absolutely, Look, it was obvious how much he adored them,
like and for me that matter, you know, we had
such a special close bond. But putting all that aside,
you know, it was my own thorough investigations where I
kept discovering all these red flags and lies and unanswered
questions that I had to I really looked at the
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situation and go hang on a minute, Is this a coincidence?
It can't be, and it just all it all told
me that, and I knew that it was my greatest
fear that David had met with our play.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
All right, well, let's chat about what happened on the
Friday before his disappearance when he called you and he
was distressed about his bank accounts.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, well, leading up to this point, I could tell
he was getting more and more I guess suspicious about
what was going on because Person B was sort of
controlling him by ways of sort of limiting access. So
he actually took upon himself to actually walk to the
local ATM on that Friday afternoon, just so I think,
just too get a grasp of where things were at.
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And unfortunately that did confirm his worst nightmare because he
should have had tens of thousands in there, and there
was only about twelve thousand left. So when I.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Spoke to him, he said, can you pop in please?
Speaker 5 (16:09):
And I got there, he was holding the ATM slip
in his hand and he's hid person BEES to stolen
all my money.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And I could tell that.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I had a conversation later that evening, and that's only
because I got a hold of his telephone records and
two days later he's gone.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, So he actually said person B had taken the money.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
He did. Yeah, and what was.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Supposed to happen on that day? Do you know what
bees movements were?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well, basically Dad used to go out to lunch, you know,
all the time, quite regularly with it with his golfing
friends who we saw that final Sunday, and a lot
of the times I would be the one taking them
and I had them over my house. For some reason,
his particular lunch was arranged. Person B was taking him.
So I ran Daud on the way home. I'm dropping
my kids off at Grandma's and he goes, hey, why
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don't you come along?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And I thought, you know what, why not?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
And I'm so glad I did because that was the
last time I ended up seeing him.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Can you walk us through what you saw when you
arrived at your dad's home.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
So the Sunday it was where we went out to lunch.
It was the following day on the Monday, I got
a text. But I was sitting there to us some
work from home. At about eight thirty five, I got
a text, iying, that's you know, can you go around
to dad's apart with garage doors.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Open, and I'm like, what you know?
Speaker 5 (17:33):
And I realized later that she'd actually been sent to
text a couple of hours earlier from my neighbor and
number one white one year go over and why you
had surgery?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
But why did you wait a couple of hours to
let me know?
Speaker 5 (17:45):
So it was dark by the time I went around there,
and yeah, the neighbor was standing out the front, and
I said, can you come in with me, because you know,
I'm a bit nervous about going into my own.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, I walked in and when.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
I just saw his blood, but it was the way
it was concentrated to one area of the child area
of the kitchen, it just nothing made said. And there
was a smash glass pane on the French doors, and
at that point, I'm like, someone still in the house.
I didn't know when I first thing, I did call
my hubby and yeah, walked out and called the police.
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He called the police for me, and being sort of
you know, moved on from from that point, but yeah,
it was.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
It was a very scary time.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
And so just to wind back and so the people
following along get the gist of the story too, or
your neighbor noticed that Jessper's garage door was up and
his car was gone, and then they left the day
and when they came back, the garage door was still
up and the car was still not there, which was
very out of character it was, and the house was
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dark right when you By the time you got there,
there was no lights on you.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
And the door was unlocked, you know, because I went
to go get the key thinking the door was going
to be locked, but no, the door was unlocked.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
And he would never have gone out and not locked
the house well his.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
While I was there. He's, you know, bit old school.
You know, he used to keep cash next to his chair.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Now he always had up to ten thousand dollars worth
of cash extra chair.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
There's no way he would have just left the house open.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Because from a distance, before I turned the light on it,
it just looked like feathers were scattered in the kitchen.
I know, it sounds so strange, but it was only
when I got closer and then put that light on
and I realized it was blood, and I was like,
what the heck has happened here? And I still to
this day, I don't know what happened. That scene does
not make sense. And there's a lot of people that
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have tried to analyze that. For me, because I was
lucky enough to get to get the brief, so I've
got all the photos. But yeah, that it does not
make sense.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
One thing I've noticed and been talking to you and
understanding where you're at that you know, not long after
Jess went missing, you made a huge call to quit
your job. Bell Can you explain how difficult that time
for you it was and for your kids and for Darren.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It was so tough.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I found that I was trying to juggle a really
different form of grief while dropping my kids off at
KINDI streaming with tears, and then having to go to
work face people, and then come home and then try
to still wrap my head around all this craziness that
was going on. And it's like, hang on a minute,
I can't do this, Like something's got to change. So
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I had to make that decision, and actually working on
the case became a full time job because I was like,
no one was listening to me. I can't I can't
let this just go. I have to be able to
do my own investigating. So and I wanted to protect
the kids from it because I didn't want They still
don't know what's happened to him, and God forbid the
day they find out. But I had to protect them,
you know, they were too young, so I wanted to
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be able to at night time be plugged him mum,
be there for them, but then also fight, fight and
figure out what the hell's going on here. And you
know why, I couldn't have done it without my husband
by the side. And you know, although it's been tough,
you know, it's made us stronger because we can tackle anything.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah. Well, it's hard, isn't it when you don't have
that support and you don't have people jumping and helping
and you feel like there's something to look at and
dig further into. I know myself, it's one of those
things you just feel you have to do it.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
So, Jesspa's car was found two days later at Lancelyn
Beach Hotel. The police believed that your dad had driven
over an hour there in the middle of winter to
take his own life.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
The discovery of John Jensen's car outside the Lancelon Beach
Hotel is a big breakthrough in the police search for
the missing Ocean reef grandfather. The sixty eight year old
hadn't been seen since Sunday after a lunch with friends
and family, and since then he hasn't touched his mobile
phone or bank accounts. And his family say that's highly
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out of character.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
What about that version of events? Doesn't add up for you?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Nothing, nothing at all adds up. It was alleged to
cut his heel of his foot on the padel of
the glass door, so we had a French doors. He's
cut that in frustration and then managed to clean it
up enough to then.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Go drive an hour in seventeen and go kill himself.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So were they saying the blood in the kitchen was
from him cutting his heel.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yes, because you could tell that it was footprints. There was,
you know, but as I said, it didn't make sense.
But you could tell something there was an injury, you know,
he'd be obviously walked around, but trying to explain if
you look at even the position in the direction of
the travel. It was even hard to tell initially which
foot it was because even my husband.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I was there with the first investigators, they were like, oh.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
It must be his left foot because there was a
particular slipmark.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
But hang on, to be over here.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
It has to be the right foot because otherwise it'd
be morphing into the wall. I mean, it's difficult to explain,
but it did not make sense, you know. And then
he was on anti coagulant medications, so that would have
meant more excessive bleeding. So somehow he's managed to stop
the bleeding one hand because his right hand is still
in a brace.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Why was his hand in a brace?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
So, you know, before he went missing, I was seeing
in June. So the easter prior he fell down the
stairs at the front of his house. Now there's a
lot of conjectures about whether or not how much damage
it really was, and in the end it was quite
significant fractures and there was even the latest report, he goes,
it's still really hurting. So when he'd gone back, they went, no,
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you're actually not allowed to drive until I think the
day was late in July.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
So that's quite a long time too, Like from Easter
to June. Yes, that's that's quite Let's go a couple
of months and he's in a brace still.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yes, and he was, and it was still, you know,
quite painful, so he wasn't able to I mean, he
joked about hat know, how's he going to wipe his
bum and stuff like that, being in his right hand.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
But so how there he is?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Apparently, you know, there was a mattress sitting in that
kitchen area with a bloody handprint. So somehow a six
foot three man who's obviously just fallen over Cutty's pot
all over, gotten up onto this mattress, managed to get
himself up anyway, There's no how he could have stopped
the bleeding, especially because there was no shoes.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
He wasn't wearing any none of his shoes are missing.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
And then there was no blood leading to the car,
there was no blood and foot well, there was no
blood when they got to lance.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Lan, Okay. So there's no blood outside, no or in
the garage, no.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Or even leading to the door. Like literally, it was
just this one.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
It was very and that's yeah, it's very odd, very
very very odd.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And how long would it take, like I've said, over
an hour? How long is that?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Well I think we weren't It out to be an
hour and seventeen minutes, okay, And you know the only
bit of CCT footage is of him first, you know,
driving into that stretch of Lancelin, and they could not
find any CCT footage they would have matched an hour
and seventeen prior leaving Ocean Reef.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
There was nothing.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
The only one they found was which we would have
been at six thirty five, but that had only given
it for five mint window, which he was so blurry
and you couldn't even say it was a camera, let
alone Dad, So that that was ruled out. And that's why,
you know, they tried so hard, they think, was to
try and say, you know, yes it was him leaving here,
and that's him driving here.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
But you couldn't say that.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And then apparently there's an even footage that should have
been taken a very white leading him that wasn't shown
up there, like why you know, and he didn't have
his glasses on which he needed for driving.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
They were left at home.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
There's unknown DNA found in the house and the car,
all these other points that were dismissed just to say
this particularly crazy event happened, but there was no no
evidence to say it was.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So did he the glasses that he wears and his
shoes nowhere to be found, so not at home.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah, that the glasses were at home, along with his wallet, yeah,
in the normal.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Those to drive, Yes, he would. Okay, just interesting to
put the pieces of the puzzle together, isn't it. It's
it is sorry if this is distressing for you, I
know that I have to relive it all the time,
and I just want to pause there and say thank
you for doing that, because we're here to try and
help you get the word out there. And you know,
I'm always a firm believer as you know, that someone
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somewhere knows something, so absolutely it is important to get
this information out there for everybody because we need to
be looking for these things to help you find him.
So when you found out by police that they had
found your dad's car, you called person B to let
her know, and she alerted you that she was already
half way to LANCELN.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Oh my gosh, how odd It baffles me to this day. Basically,
the excuse was that her best friend had a dream
and that he was in a northern direction. So there's
no common sense or rational explanation as to why they
should have been heading up that way.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
So I don't really know what else to say on that,
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And so was she contacted by the police first, Was.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
She well, no, they let me know first that the
vehicle's found.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Oh so she was literally heading there because the friend
had had a dream.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah, exactly exactly. And then I said, I'll ring her
and let her know. And when I a friend the
police back and sid slay up there, They're like, no, no,
she can't because they're like, oh, she's probably going to
get up there before the police do.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I said, I can't stop her. She's already want
to wie up there, mate, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And what was the car situation?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Was it locked?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
No, the keys were in the engine and it was unlocked,
but the car wasn't running, okay, but it was unlocked.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And do we know if there was any DNA in
the car?
Speaker 5 (27:42):
There was a DNA in a car, but there was
also including my dad's, but there was unknown DNA in
the car too, on the steering wheel and the headrest.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And the police obviously have all that information.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, they do, they do.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And so I know, obviously we didn't want to accuse
anybody of anything that hasn't been charged with any offense.
What is situation there with the police with these claims
about person B.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
So that was the level of the police trying to
address my financial concerns, even though I'd already flagged with
him that there was a seventy two thousand dollars check
you know in the past. It was back in twenty thirteen,
but looked spicious. The handwriting was suspicious and making it worse,
it was put through the local post office, so it
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wasn't taken to a bank done through thing. So the
way it happened was that morning before she even knew
about he was missing, because that night I tried calling
her husband but he wouldn't answer. So I finally got
hold of him the next morning and said it was
I meet you at your dad's house. Okay, I'm met
in there. It was a thirty second conversation and I said,
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he goes, follow me and we'll.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Go tell her.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Anyway, we jumped the car, go to dad's house and
first thing she does is beeline to where his recliner.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
She was.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I didn't even know where the money was, and it
was there, but she grabbed this Christmas box and that's
where it was, and holds up this board.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Cash and I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
And she goes, I don't want the cops to steal
it or take it and okay, but let's just.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Calm down for a second.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
And it was really odd, but I let her do it,
but again that it was all starting to be very,
very strange. But the other thing on that note was
that the timing of when we had gone to her
house to tell her that he was actually missing, she
had actually made a phone call to Dad's best friend
close to two hours before that, asking where Dad was
if he knew he knew where Dad was, And I
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find that really odd because at that point he didn't.
She didn't know the outcome of why his garage door
was up. So yeah, there's just a lot of little
points you look all the way and go to hang,
something's not right here.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And I've read too that person B had said on
her statements in two separate occasions that your dad was suicidal.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Like literally the whole statement was based around that. It
actually basically for sick.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And I also read Bell two that you said that
the police had based their theory on the first thing
that they were told and that shaped the entire investigation.
And I remember hearing you say that your brother in
law had told the police that Jasper was suicidal and
that then ran through the entire case. And something I
want to bring to the attention of everyone listening in
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these cases is that your words matter, right, what you
say is really important and it can have a diabolical
effect on a missing person's case. How did that affect you?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Oh, I still to this day won't forget that phone
call because to know that when I spoke to him
and then he goes straight away, Oh, I told them
that it was suicide.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
He was suicided. And I was like, what I said,
Why did you say that?
Speaker 5 (30:56):
I remember standing in the kitchen at that moment, and
then he literally yelled at me.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
He lelled down the phone, Why I had you done
him something? And got anger me. I'm like, calm down there,
what's going on here? You know? And at that point
I was just in shock. What I'm looking at my
husband and he's like, what the heck?
Speaker 5 (31:11):
You know? But I didn't quite realize at that point
what was being said to police and how much it was. Yeah,
this is this and some of the things he'd said
were just horrendous lies, and those lies turned into gospel
or they actually formed part of what was even in
the Corndage report. I just I'm baffled you know, I'm
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just baffled.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Let's just go back to that check that you mentioned before.
Was it seventy two or seventy four thousand dollars?
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Well, it was basically two days before this check was
actually able to be withdrawn from his normal account. There
had to be there was a transfer from his online
savings account. Now this was an account that he didn't touch,
you know, and Dad didn't even have a computer at
this stage, you know, so he didn't do any online
transactions or anything like that. He didn't do any internal transfers.
He would go into a bank, right, he was old school.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
But yeah, two days.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Before that check came out, there was seventy four thousand
dollars that was transferred electronically from his savings account to
his normal account, and then obviously that made it the
funds available. Two days later, the seventy two thousand dollars
came out.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And do we know who that check was written out to?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, person B.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It was actually written out to her, it was. And
what did the police say about that, Well.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
They just said, we don't know what agreements were in place.
Maybe he just wanted to give her money.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
So in September twenty twenty an inquest into your dad's
disappearance was held in Western Australia. It only went for
two days. What was the outcome.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Look, the good thing that came out of that was
that we got an open finding in the end, okay,
because although they were trying to put a full stop
on his life, which had on my heart, that's all
I believed this was for. You know, there was no
evidence premy made it to Lands and so in the
end I actually walked away sort of going well, they
actually weren't able to say he died in Lands because
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they initially tried to submit that as his date of death,
which would been when the car was found. But because
we were a hired a barrister and we were able
to say no, that's you can't prove that. There was
no evidence, so it had to be backdated to the
last day he was seeing which was the Sunday. So
but it wasn't a positive experience, you know, I wasn't able.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
To read my statement understand.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I was even referred to as in the reporter's corrosive
to investigation by a coroner himself. Really and to make
a worse person, B was someone to attend However, days
literally days prior, she was excused from attending, and I
presume that's because she knew I'd hired a barrister to
actually finally cross examine her and just have her questioned
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under oath. I gave up fighting in the end. I
was like, surely we can speak to the developer, Surely
we can do this. But you know, you know how
hard it is when you get kicked down every step
of the way, you can't really Yeah, you kind of
kind of give up.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
But one thing I'd like to mention is when, because.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
I started to feel like towards before even the report
was submitted, I.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Was like, the cops aren't on my side, you know.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
So there was one thing I'd actually picked up in
the report which I decided to let my barrister cross
examine the Copper on the stand.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
It was regarding a.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Form that was filled out and it was a dental form,
and basically he'd said in the police report, he goes
oh Jensen completed a primary dental and medical history form
on the fiace of June twenty seventeen when attending Craigie
Dental Clinic. In this form completed the month prior to
his disappearance, he had confirmed that he had depression and
listened new Ronton.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
As one of the medications he was on.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Now, they were two big things that they were trying
to say. Now, Lew Roonton the DP said, Nah, he
was offered completely went off by May because he was
weening off during the months, you know, during early twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
So tick that off.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
He wasn't on that. And the second thing was whether
he was depressed. Well, his GP in his own was
said by twin the second twenty seventeen he'd described himself
as really good and by the third of the third fantastic.
No further dose who adjustments were made. It displayed no
signs of depression after January twenty seventeen up to and
including the presentation on the twenty third of June.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
So why was.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
He trying so hard to try and still say these points?
And it actually was person B who filled out and
signed that form. So when that was raised on the stand,
the death stare that he gave me, I said, if
LUKZ could kill mat.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And so, can I ask a personal question and feel
free not to answer, but can you share with us
what sort of costs were involved with you hating to
hire your embarrister at your dad's inquest.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Oh look, it was close to twenty grand just for
that day. But put it this way, good couple of
hundred leading up to just prepping for the inquest. We
obviously didn't have any money because I wasn't working, but
we found a lawyer that would represent me, but only
you know, get paid after the fact, if you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So all up, easy, a couple of hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It's just another stress, isn't it, Belle Like it is
another added stress.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah, And unfortunately that's while I had to use my
dad's hard earned money because that was, you know, once
I finally got my distribution from him, you see all
that that portion of that going to legal phase, and
it's so destroying. You know, you think all my dad
would want, would you make us feel comfortable and you know,
still have the house as a memory and stuff like
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that was always Yeah, it's really it's been really, really typicult.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, I'm very sorry to read that you felt that
your words were misconstrued or misunderstood, and authorities took this
as evidence that fit with their narrative that your dad
had taken his own life. How frustrating was that for you?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Beyond frustrated, Like every step of the way, I was,
you know, don't I can't even put words into it
explaining you know how hard it is to hear everything
I'm saying is he say?
Speaker 4 (37:12):
But everything she's saying as gospel was like why you know?
It just it was it.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Wascwed to one narrative and one narrative only, and they
did anything they could just to push it in that direction.
I was, I was fighting a fight that you know.
I feel like at times, I'm like, why I can't
do this, I can't do this, but I just had
to keep on pushing because you know, he's.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Worth it one hundred. And I feel like that does
happen a lot in these cases where they choose a
line and I'm still dealing with this with my mother
twenty eight years down the track, where they pick a
narrative that sits with them and that's the path they follow.
They really do not venture off much off that path,
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do they, and if they if they've got something there,
And I feel like this has happened to you as well,
where they're just sticking to their guns. It's like, no,
he definitely suicided. You definitely drove the car. There's no blood,
there's no footprints it. There's footprints in the house, but
no footprints coming up to the car. You can't drive.
He drives with glasses, but they're at home. Miraculously, his
car ends up an hour and seventeen minutes away near
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the beach. And there's an assumption made very quickly based
on some people saying, oh, well, he had suicidal tendencies
because he was taking some painkillers.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
And even like with the media release I did, I
was told you do not mention anything about the house,
and that there was but at the house there was
a very clear director from them. No, no, you're not
allowed to mention that, you know, And I I remember
the like, you do.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
What you're told.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
At the time, I didn't know police were going to
be like the way they were. I still had respect
for authorities at that point, so I listened. But I
think back now and going, oh my god, why didn't
I just say what I really thought?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
So what happened?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Maybe it would have created Maybe was all I kept saying,
is I just needed that one Also with that courage,
a conventional that would look at it in a different
way and just go because all of the investigator was
all based on Lanceloon. I kept saying, this is disjointed.
What about Ocean Reeve? But because the car was found there,
it was like, Nope, that's where he was. And it's like,
but they never found him. So they even said to
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me up there, that's never happened before. There's going to
be such a thorough investigation. I just has never happened before,
and I certainly didn't get that thorough investigation.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know that that's a
fact for you, and I know that's that's a very
hard pel to swallow. But I'm glad you're I'm glad
you're still here, and I'm glad you're still chipping away.
In twenty twenty one, you actually did a five part
podcast series with my friend Jay called Dad's Gone. Since then,
I remember you telling me about some new evidence that
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you had found or seen from the crime scene. Can
you share with us what that was about?
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, Well, obviously I'd analyze the photos a million times,
and every time I go back to the mug might
find the little details something else different, you know, like
it might have been a different headspace and it's you know,
just at one point I was like, hang on a minute,
what is that box sitting in front of Dad's bin
and we're zoomed in on it, and it was a
box of you know, real specialized hospital grade.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Disinfectant wipes, and I was like, hang on a minute.
That didn't buy anything like that.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
Well, number one, you kind of had to be a
cleanup really or you know, it's not like some of
you buy from coals or you know, you had to
buy from a specialty wholesaler, So what the heck, why
is you doing that? And then I looked closer and
I went, hang on a minute, the box is still soaked.
Why is the box wet? And it's like with water
like it was like it was like the floors have
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been mopped and it was still sitting there soaking it up.
But you know it was it wasn't until Wednesday that
the photos were taken, so it certainly shouldn't have been
still wet by that point.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So the police hadn't been in to clean up at
this point.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
They left it up after the fact, but that actually
when when they at Eliza scene, they were made it
very clear that they said, no, there's no evidence of
a cleanup. But he was like, hang on a minute,
why are these you know, disinfecting wipes. For me, it
just was odd, you know, when his vacking cleaner was
out and I don't know, to me, to me, it
looked like there had been a clean up and this
was actually a stage suicide. It was actually made to
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look like he's done. What his dated is what the
police had said, you know, because even all of his
medication was out on the on display. Even though he
used a monthly pill box. The monthly pill box was
filled in and he kept all the boxes. You know.
It wasn't on a lot of medication, don't get me wrong,
but the medication was in a predunder a pill box,
but all of the boxes were laid out, and it
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was just so weird that it was like literally a
setup sort of suicide saying it was like, nah, this
is not right, and too many unt answered questions there
really was.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
When I was reading about this bill, I kind of
just sometimes put myself into the investigative role and start
thinking out, so excuse me, if this has been done.
But I was wondering if that box of medicated wipes,
which is a hospital grade disinfectant wipes typically not available
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at Coals and Wallies. Have you got the details of
what the name is and could we look at who
actually makes these and who's a wholesaler of those?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah, we possibly could, yes, because.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That could be something if you haven't done that. I
was just trying to think outside the square as to
what else could we do that hasn't been done before,
to maybe think of how we can loop it through
and if we've got contacts about people we know, people
who worked in an industry or a business that had
the use for something like that, and you can connect
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that dot to that dot, maybe there's something there. So
what's it been like to carry these unanswered questions for
so many years?
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Look, the biggest I mean obviously not having my dad
here and watch, you know, just watching the kids grow up,
and the amount of times I just think, oh my gosh,
that would be so proud, you know, but that's normal,
that's natural. But the biggest struggle has been fighting every
step of the way and just not being heard. It's
been an unimaginable bite for justice and you know, you know,
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obviously being called toxic.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
The investigation was exactly a highlight in my life.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
And to have someone closed in that all these red flags,
you know, was able to take over full control and
even able to sell his house before a death certificate
or grand of brobate was issued.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
So hang on, hang on, hang on. Are you telling
me that your dad's house was able to be sold
before a death certificate was issued?
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
That is that a rule in Western Australia.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
That's different, not that I'm aware of, because everyone was
telling everyone around me was like no, no, of course
that can't happen, and never gave me an opportunity just
to sign them. So in the end, she yeah, got
layed up, bullish lawyer, got soul administration and somehow managed
to get the actual land rights put into her name
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so she could actually sell the property before we got
a desert defeated.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
And you know what, Belle, Just for the record, I
find it really quite confronting to hear that you're referred
to as a toxic person because you're fighting for the
answers and the truth as to what's happened to your dad.
I find that I don't even know what the right
word is, but that is just a terrible thing. For
anybody to say.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
Yeah, I've been through my moments of anger and frustration
and you know, and my latest battle is having proof
that this person didn't have her phone on the last
day he was seen alive. And yet to this day
there's still not so seeing that as suspicious. They still
say no matches up with a statement, we're not taking
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this any further. I've presented it to I've written to
the head of the Major Crime Squad apparently wh said
you know, I actually did get acknowledgment because one of
my letters reached him and he goes, if you have
a new information, let me know.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Three emiles. Six months later, not even a response.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
So in March twenty twenty four. So last year, you
set up a petition to help push your dad's case,
and I want to put a call out to the
WA Police Commissioner Cole Blanche, the state coroner, Judge Robin Hartley,
even your local MP Emily Hamilton to approve for the
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Special Crime Squad to review, open and investigate some of
these new fines and new information that has come to
the table. Last time I looked, currently had like nine
hundred and fifty signatures on there. I signed it again
the other night, and then a couple of my friends
signed it. I saw that I put on my Facebook
and a couple of people signed it. How many people
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do we need to sign that petition to show our support?
Speaker 5 (46:05):
To be honest, I don't know if there's a magic number.
With the amount of roadbots that.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I've faced, I think I'm going to need a lot.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
So at the end of the day, I would really
just appreciate any support. We're trying to gain more signatures
just to try and get this one question answered. I
that's all I really, I just want one question to
answer asked. If this one person, I'm not after. I
don't even care about the people that's actually done it.
I just want That's all I'm after.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
So any support, and what's your Facebook page called? We're
going to put it in the show notes, and we're
going to put the petition in the show notes as well.
But tell everybody now what your Facebook page is called, so.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
They can jump for So it's called Justice for Jasper,
and I created that to keep him alive, keep his
memory alive, so he didn't become a judge just another.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
So yeah, please visit me.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
I've already got a huge following and without the support
of all those people, I couldn't have again gotten to
where I am today. But I've got a contact form
there as well, so any information, yeah, please feel free
to reach out.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So interestingly, you know, I've been doing the Missing Matter
podcast for a little while now and you are my
fourth episode, and so far all the episodes have been
about men going missing, and I am very sad to
say that every single one of those men do not
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have a reward for information. What would it mean to
you if Western Australian Police put up a reward for
information that could help bring your dad home?
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Do you know what? It wouldn't mean more than anything,
it really would.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Although the good news is that in December twenty twenty four,
the Cook government actually announced that there is a new
reward of up to half a million dollars for any
information that solves a long term missing case in WA.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
And is that across all missing persons currently?
Speaker 5 (47:59):
It is that a website created and there's a link
through to all of the missing persons with the National
Missing Person's Database, which includes my father.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Okay, well that is good, that is good to know. Yeah,
I think from where I sit and watching WA police.
I feel like they are churning quite well over there
in the missing space, like I've seen a churning and
a happening. Something's going on. They are acknowledging missing persons.
But I still think having an individual reward for an
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individual case is really vital. And I think you can't
put a number on one person. If someone who's listening
to us today, Belle has something that they need to
tell you or they'd like to speak to you, how
can they best contact you?
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Well, please, I'd ask that you please contact me through
my Justice for Jesber page or providing any information.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
I know listening to obviously Deser's podcasts, you.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
Know you're gonna have You're gonna have space on your
website website for the Missing Matters Contaction to provide information
for where'd you to do so there?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, and that website is www dot themissingmatter dot com
just for those of you who haven't heard that yet.
And you will be, as Belle said, be able to
read profiles and see the faces of these beautiful humans
who are missing to us, So you can contact us
there and we will pass that information onto Bell as well.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
Thank you, and obviously, as we always say, you know,
please feel free to try and contact Crimestoppers, and I
just have to hope they act on the information.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, and I think it's important I like to add
with crime Stoppers. I mean, look, no shade on anything
that happens in that space. But I do know that
my personal experience was there was a couple of calls
from my mum's case that went through from people that
I knew, and they actually when you report to Crimestoppers,
you get like a reference number, right, And when I
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spoke to the OAC on my mum's case and asked
her if she'd actually receive those because I said to
them that's the best way to do it, she hadn't
actually received them at that point. So it was only
that I was able to give her the reference numbers
that she went back and actually gained the information. So
that's why I say it's important to share the information
amongst a few, just in case something goes awry and
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the information doesn't make it to the detective on the
case or who's looking after the case or managing the case.
I guess because the coroner has deemed your dad deceased,
so is he still sitting within missing persons in Western Australia.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
He's sitting with missing persons, but they say that they
have no they're waiting. They won't do anything unless new
information comes forward. So at least I don't have to
fight for it to be open that I have to
fight for it to be investigated.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, yeah, okay. So I think it's important just to
state at this point we're not accusing anybody of anyone
doing in this podcast. We're simply stating some points of
view that don't necessarily agree with each other. Police seem
to be very clear that there is no criminality involved
in the case of missing person. John Jensen Bell, it's
been so nice to talk to you. Can we finish
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with you telling us why Jesper matters?
Speaker 5 (51:13):
He was such a good man. He was he was
a gentle giant that was taken far too early. And
he just deserves better than this. Oh it's difficult to
to say more than that, but he just deserves to
not be labeled this. He deserves to be found, he
deserves to be brought home and later rest with his wife.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
And you deserve peace, my friend.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Thank you so much. Thank you are a good human
and your dad would be very very proud of you.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Next week on the missing matter.
Speaker 6 (51:57):
So the car was located on Tuesday or only told
on Friday, so there was no sort of urgency or
follow up. So it's a very big question because this
was not told to me by police. It was told
to me by community. Thing that the police was sort
of saying around at the end, like, you know, he's
just happy he's living in the back of someone's banana, sad,
(52:20):
you know, and I was just like, but.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
There's no evidence of that.
Speaker 6 (52:23):
I felt pretty heartbroken at that point. I was with
Queensland Police on the other side with their police dogs,
and then we got to a point and then we
couldn't go over it. I felt a lot of betrayal
that they were leaving my brother to sable person in
the bush to die.
Appoche production.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
On Sunday, the twenty fifth of June twenty seventeen, Jawn
Jessper Jensen, known to everyone as Jasper, vanished in Perth,
Western Australia. Two days before he vanished, Jessper phoned his
daughter sounding distressed about his bank accounts. By the Sunday
he was gone.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
The sixty eight year old has disappeared without a trace.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
When his daughter Bell arrived at Jessper's home that day,
what she found raised immediate alarm. Blood all over the floor.
Two days later, Jessper's car turns up over an hour
away at the Lancelom Beach Hotel with no trace of
blood inside.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The discovery of John Jensen's car outside the Lancelom Beach
Hotel is a big breakthrough in the police for the
missing Ocean reef grandfather.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
In the middle of the West Australian winter. Police formed
a view that Jesper had driven to Lanceln to take
his own life, But the details don't sit right. If
Jesper was injured at home, how does his car turn
up clean? Where are the signs you would expect to
(01:29):
see if a wounded man had driven that distance? Where
were Jesper's glasses, where were his shoes? And why were
the early assumptions allowed to shape the theory so quickly.
In this episode of The Missing Matter, Sally speaks with
(01:50):
one of Jasper's daughter's Bell. They walked through the timeline
piece by piece, examine what was reported, what was recorded,
and what was missed. We'll ask why the clean car
seems to contradict scene at the house. We'll look at
why those who knew Jasper best are certain he wouldn't
(02:11):
have left his grandchildren. And we'll ask the question that
has hoved over this case for years, why did the
first explanation become the only explanation as on The family
is still searching for answers and it's torn them apart.
This is the Missing Matter, Jasper Matters.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Welcome to The Missing Matter.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Bell.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Thank you very much for having me sale. It's absolute pleasure.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Absolutely And we've been friends for a while now, haven't
we on social media, have been chatting for a few years,
so it's kind of nice to sit down and have
a proper chat.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It certainly is. Yeah, So there's.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Been a lot going on in your world for quite
a long time. Your dad has been missing, it's the
twenty fifth of June twenty seventeen. Can you take us
back to the beginning, your dad growing up in Copenhagen
in Denmark and moving to Australia when he was just seventeen. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Look, look, he actually didn't talk a lot about about
his past growing up, and I think that was a
few reasons for that.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
But from what I gather is he didn't have the
best relationships with his parents.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
But what I do know is he decided to well,
first of all, go into the army for a little
while with his friend, but then that didn't last too
long and decided to get away from the snow and
come to Sanny, Australia. So yeah, jump to the chance
to immigrate over here and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And so Jessper met your mum Jerry, And how did
they meet.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Well, Dad tells me a funny story when he came
over here because he wasn't really connected to any particular area,
so he pulls out a map, shut his eyes and
literally put his finger on the map and landed in Scarborough.
So that's where my mum lived. And when they met there,
she was this little petite, surfy chick. You know, compared
to my giant father, they just immediately fell in love
(04:13):
and the rest, Yeah, it was match made in heaven fate.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They would call that, I reckon just put their finger
on the map and I met my wife. Oh no,
how lovely. I love those stories. So you are one
of two of Jasper's daughters, can you just share with
us some memories that really captures who your dad was.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
He was to me, he was a very quirky, fun
loving dad. He enjoyed the simple things in life. You know,
he didn't want for March. We didn't want for March
because we were loved. He didn't take things too serious,
and he would just constantly make jokes.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I remember a lot.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
We'd have a roast dinner every Friday night, and you know,
without fail, he'd asked me, do.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
You want a leg or a wing?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
BINDI, you know, and he put his armor out like
a wing and kicked me it under the table with
his leg and Dad, I just want to wing. You
know that. You know he thought it was hilarious, and
you know it was funny. We just enjoyed the simple things.
And you know, after dinner we'd get some ice cream
and instead of getting balls, out like normal people. We'd
get the whole tub and put it in front of
us and we'd have one spoon each in each caller
(05:20):
and we'd have a spoon fin every time. And it
was just the funny things, you know, the simple things.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And it's nice, the nice memories to have, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So, I know you've described him as being very hard working,
and he built your family home. That's impressive. Yeah, And
so what values do you think he instilled in you
as you were growing up.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Look, he never expected perfection. He never expected, you know,
me to get a's and things like that. But he
always encouraged me to do the best you can. And
he always instilled to be kind, treat others the way
you want to be treated. But also drilled into me
work hard and you got to pay off your mortgage.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
You know that was a big.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Thing for him, and having that security and looking after
his family.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And also just do what you love doing. Just make
sure you do what you love doing. Always turn off
the lights. I remember always.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Saying he's got to save electricity.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I do that now, And it's not like he's like mom.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And he encouraged you to play the piano sounds like
that was a pretty special bond for you guys.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It really was like he had his little workout equipment
in my piano room and you know he just listened
to me, practiced for hours, and it was just a
really a strong bond. You know. It took me to
every lesson, he took me to all of my competitions,
and it was just something special that we had together.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, and music is quite a powerful thought, I think
for me personally, even in my mom's case. With my mum,
and every time I hear a song, I instantly think
of her. You have you got any special songs that
you played on the piano that were a favorite of
yours and his?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
There's quite a few, but the one that stands out
is Walking in Memphis by Mark Cohen.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
And I remember learning that one for my first.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Ever competition and he was just so proud, Like when
I went to the water room stead for I was nervous.
I was twelve years old and you know, didn't know
what to expect, had to wait.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
To be thirty two. It was literally the.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Last one playing on the day, and you know, playing
a first time playing on a baby grand piano and
all that, but there he was ear to hear, and
I ended up when they called out the winners. You know,
I got highly commended and Dad's like, it's you. You
get up, get up with me.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I'm like, oh my gosh, like I just yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
So that's just a memory that I'll always hold you
close to my heart.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And that song would play very important part of your life.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I'm sure it really doesn't. It seems to come on
whenever I need to hear it the most.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So I don't know, that's probably your dad telling you, yes,
need a hug. Yeah, And so I am sad to
know that your mum Jerry Pastouen February twenty eleven, you
received a call from me sister telling you that your
mum was missing. That would have been really frightening moment
for you. Can you tell us about that day?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah, that quickly went from being the best day of
my life to definitely the worst day of my life
in the split second that phone call changed everything. Only
moments before that, i'd actually taken a pregnancy desk and
we'd actually just found out we were going to be
expecting our first child. And then a few minutes later
I get a call so that Mom's missing. I just remember, look,
(08:35):
my world stopped. I looked at my husband, what.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Do you mean missing? Like, she didn't go out.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
She didn't you know, maybe went to the neighbor's house
and stuff like that, but.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You know, she wasn't sort of going out in the
town or anything.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
So I was like, okay, so I just think lot logically,
I just got to get over there and see.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Dad said what that was going on?
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Yeah, So driving over there was tricky, to say the least,
because you start, you know, mind wanders, and I started
looking down the alley way to see if she'd fallen
over or you know, stupid things. You don't know what
what's happened. I get to Dad's and I'm like, what
do you mean Mum's missy? You know, you could tell
her've been up all night. He's like, she can't find her.
I don't know where she is. Said, well, what's happened?
(09:13):
He goes, well, we had our ROAs dinner last night,
happy as, and you know, then we joked about me
do all the dishes and which I didn't do, and
then she did the dishes and then went and played
on the computer. And then I just froze and I
just ran into the bathroom where the computer was, and
there she was. So she was so small, she'd the
(09:34):
way she'd fallen down, she had a massive heart attack,
and the way she'd fallen down. Yeah, he just didn't
see her. So when he went and turned the light
off in the bathroom, he didn't think to look around,
didn't think she was in there. So I was going
to the neighbor's house. And so that was that moment.
And she was only fifty two. She was very young.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's very young. I'm so sorry that that's a lot.
How was your dad and how did that affect him?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Well, it was shocking for both of us.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
But luckily we actually sort of experienced it together in
a way because we could talk about it, you know,
and and then instantly you just go throughto this little
bubble of okay. You know all friends and family and
know they will surround you, and you spend time just
dealing with it. But that's important. Time like that two
weeks whatever leading up to the funeral. You know, you
(10:28):
have time to plan, you have time to reminisce, you
have time to go through photos, you have time to
I wrote the eulogy so I was able to actually
honor my mum, you know, and I think that's really important,
and that's a way of being able to move on.
And Dad was a strong, very fun loving guy, and
I was really proud of the way he was able
to move on and look into the future and we
(10:51):
have many more wonderful years to follow when you know,
I had children and he went on golfing holidays and stuff.
So yeah, we dealt with it, you know, but we
moved on.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That would have been a very hard time in life.
I would have imagined, how old were you then, Belle.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Oh gosh, how old would I be? Good question? She
died in twenty eleven. I was nineteen eighty babies, but yeah,
so she never got to meet my children exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And so that would have been heartbreaking too. Right, You've
just found out that you're pregnant, that you want to
go and excitedly tell your mum and dad that you're
pregnant about to have a baby, and you were not
that blow. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Yeah, we lost that baby, but I don't think that
was meant to be. I think that was not the
right time to bring a child into the world. Yeah,
so I think after experience all of that, and then
there was a phase where I was like, Okay, this
wasn't the right time, you know, but my time came.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
We know that I've got two beautiful children now.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So my son is almost Yeah, he's definitely looking a
lot like his granddad, tall and slim, and I look
at him now, going wow, Granddad would be.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So proud of you.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So you said, talking about the kids, you know, your
dad becoming a grandfather changed him.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
His house in Ocean Reef was just up the road
from this little park, and I remember like i'ld go
over there every weekend as much as I could. We'd
walk down the park and he'd be hand in hand
with my boy. He was four when he went missing,
but they'd be hand in hand and literally, oh, just
a little dead end because he was a little blondie,
just like Granddad, and they'd be, you know, just looking
(12:32):
up at each other and giggling away, and it was
just such a special bond, it really was. And then
when I find out I had break up with a daughter,
I didn't tell everyone else it was a girl except Dad.
And he got to have that special moment knowing that
he was going to have a little granddaughter, and yeah,
he just loved young children.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It reminded him of when I was younger, and.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
He could, you know, use his sense of humor to
crack jokes and make them laugh.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So with regards to your family, what sort of support
have you had and what's that been.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Like for you?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I think because of the circumstances, it's not been as
conducive to having the entire family support, I guess over. Yeah,
that's a tricky one to answer. My main support base
has been my husband.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Without him, I wouldn't have been able to go through
this journey and I probably wouldn't be to this day.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
So with Jasper's family, are they all over in Denmark? Like,
does he have siblings? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I never met them.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I did know he was one of three, so we
had an older brother and a younger sister. And it
was only actually after when he went missing, that I'd
found out that my mum less the Little Cotton Sults,
had actually been keeping in contact and writing to my
auntie and letting her know about us. So she'd actually
reached out after the fact and we connected on Facebook.
(13:55):
So the fact that I was actually able to get
a relationship up with my auntie and then finding out
I've got cousins and very similar age to me, and
they've got you and very similar age, And it just
opened up my little world. And I just pray one
day that I get the opportunity to go there and
actually meet them and get to know a part of
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you know, his background and his family.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, and it is hard when the world's apart, literally,
aren't they Like that is a very long way away,
so hard to keep that connection happening. And you have
a sister. What was your relationship prior to your dad
going missing? Liker?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Look, it was always a tumultuous arras but it was
never never easy.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You've said that you're certain that your father would never
have left his grown children, particularly intentionally. Can you share
with us while you believe that so strongly?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Absolutely, Look, it was obvious how much he adored them,
like and for me that matter, you know, we had
such a special close bond. But putting all that aside,
you know, it was my own thorough investigations where I
kept discovering all these red flags and lies and unanswered
questions that I had to I really looked at the
(15:12):
situation and go hang on a minute, Is this a coincidence?
It can't be, and it just all it all told
me that, and I knew that it was my greatest
fear that David had met with our play.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
All right, well, let's chat about what happened on the
Friday before his disappearance when he called you and he
was distressed about his bank accounts.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, well, leading up to this point, I could tell
he was getting more and more I guess suspicious about
what was going on because Person B was sort of
controlling him by ways of sort of limiting access. So
he actually took upon himself to actually walk to the
local ATM on that Friday afternoon, just so I think,
just too get a grasp of where things were at.
(15:57):
And unfortunately that did confirm his worst nightmare because he
should have had tens of thousands in there, and there
was only about twelve thousand left. So when I.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Spoke to him, he said, can you pop in please?
Speaker 5 (16:09):
And I got there, he was holding the ATM slip
in his hand and he's hid person BEES to stolen
all my money.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And I could tell that.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I had a conversation later that evening, and that's only
because I got a hold of his telephone records and
two days later he's gone.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, So he actually said person B had taken the money.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
He did. Yeah, and what was.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Supposed to happen on that day? Do you know what
bees movements were?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well, basically Dad used to go out to lunch, you know,
all the time, quite regularly with it with his golfing
friends who we saw that final Sunday, and a lot
of the times I would be the one taking them
and I had them over my house. For some reason,
his particular lunch was arranged. Person B was taking him.
So I ran Daud on the way home. I'm dropping
my kids off at Grandma's and he goes, hey, why
(17:02):
don't you come along?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And I thought, you know what, why not?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
And I'm so glad I did because that was the
last time I ended up seeing him.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Can you walk us through what you saw when you
arrived at your dad's home.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
So the Sunday it was where we went out to lunch.
It was the following day on the Monday, I got
a text. But I was sitting there to us some
work from home. At about eight thirty five, I got
a text, iying, that's you know, can you go around
to dad's apart with garage doors.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Open, and I'm like, what you know?
Speaker 5 (17:33):
And I realized later that she'd actually been sent to
text a couple of hours earlier from my neighbor and
number one white one year go over and why you
had surgery?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
But why did you wait a couple of hours to
let me know?
Speaker 5 (17:45):
So it was dark by the time I went around there,
and yeah, the neighbor was standing out the front, and
I said, can you come in with me, because you know,
I'm a bit nervous about going into my own.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, I walked in and when.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
I just saw his blood, but it was the way
it was concentrated to one area of the child area
of the kitchen, it just nothing made said. And there
was a smash glass pane on the French doors, and
at that point, I'm like, someone still in the house.
I didn't know when I first thing, I did call
my hubby and yeah, walked out and called the police.
(18:18):
He called the police for me, and being sort of
you know, moved on from from that point, but yeah,
it was.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
It was a very scary time.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
And so just to wind back and so the people
following along get the gist of the story too, or
your neighbor noticed that Jessper's garage door was up and
his car was gone, and then they left the day
and when they came back, the garage door was still
up and the car was still not there, which was
very out of character it was, and the house was
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dark right when you By the time you got there,
there was no lights on you.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
And the door was unlocked, you know, because I went
to go get the key thinking the door was going
to be locked, but no, the door was unlocked.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
And he would never have gone out and not locked
the house well his.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
While I was there. He's, you know, bit old school.
You know, he used to keep cash next to his chair.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Now he always had up to ten thousand dollars worth
of cash extra chair.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
There's no way he would have just left the house open.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Because from a distance, before I turned the light on it,
it just looked like feathers were scattered in the kitchen.
I know, it sounds so strange, but it was only
when I got closer and then put that light on
and I realized it was blood, and I was like,
what the heck has happened here? And I still to
this day, I don't know what happened. That scene does
not make sense. And there's a lot of people that
(19:38):
have tried to analyze that. For me, because I was
lucky enough to get to get the brief, so I've
got all the photos. But yeah, that it does not
make sense.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
One thing I've noticed and been talking to you and
understanding where you're at that you know, not long after
Jess went missing, you made a huge call to quit
your job. Bell Can you explain how difficult that time
for you it was and for your kids and for Darren.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It was so tough.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I found that I was trying to juggle a really
different form of grief while dropping my kids off at
KINDI streaming with tears, and then having to go to
work face people, and then come home and then try
to still wrap my head around all this craziness that
was going on. And it's like, hang on a minute,
I can't do this, Like something's got to change. So
(20:24):
I had to make that decision, and actually working on
the case became a full time job because I was like,
no one was listening to me. I can't I can't
let this just go. I have to be able to
do my own investigating. So and I wanted to protect
the kids from it because I didn't want They still
don't know what's happened to him, and God forbid the
day they find out. But I had to protect them,
you know, they were too young, so I wanted to
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be able to at night time be plugged him mum,
be there for them, but then also fight, fight and
figure out what the hell's going on here. And you
know why, I couldn't have done it without my husband
by the side. And you know, although it's been tough,
you know, it's made us stronger because we can tackle anything.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah. Well, it's hard, isn't it when you don't have
that support and you don't have people jumping and helping
and you feel like there's something to look at and
dig further into. I know myself, it's one of those
things you just feel you have to do it.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
So, Jesspa's car was found two days later at Lancelyn
Beach Hotel. The police believed that your dad had driven
over an hour there in the middle of winter to
take his own life.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
The discovery of John Jensen's car outside the Lancelon Beach
Hotel is a big breakthrough in the police search for
the missing Ocean reef grandfather. The sixty eight year old
hadn't been seen since Sunday after a lunch with friends
and family, and since then he hasn't touched his mobile
phone or bank accounts. And his family say that's highly
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out of character.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
What about that version of events? Doesn't add up for you?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Nothing, nothing at all adds up. It was alleged to
cut his heel of his foot on the padel of
the glass door, so we had a French doors. He's
cut that in frustration and then managed to clean it
up enough to then.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Go drive an hour in seventeen and go kill himself.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So were they saying the blood in the kitchen was
from him cutting his heel.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yes, because you could tell that it was footprints. There was,
you know, but as I said, it didn't make sense.
But you could tell something there was an injury, you know,
he'd be obviously walked around, but trying to explain if
you look at even the position in the direction of
the travel. It was even hard to tell initially which
foot it was because even my husband.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I was there with the first investigators, they were like, oh.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
It must be his left foot because there was a
particular slipmark.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
But hang on, to be over here.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
It has to be the right foot because otherwise it'd
be morphing into the wall. I mean, it's difficult to explain,
but it did not make sense, you know. And then
he was on anti coagulant medications, so that would have
meant more excessive bleeding. So somehow he's managed to stop
the bleeding one hand because his right hand is still
in a brace.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Why was his hand in a brace?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
So, you know, before he went missing, I was seeing
in June. So the easter prior he fell down the
stairs at the front of his house. Now there's a
lot of conjectures about whether or not how much damage
it really was, and in the end it was quite
significant fractures and there was even the latest report, he goes,
it's still really hurting. So when he'd gone back, they went, no,
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you're actually not allowed to drive until I think the
day was late in July.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
So that's quite a long time too, Like from Easter
to June. Yes, that's that's quite Let's go a couple
of months and he's in a brace still.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yes, and he was, and it was still, you know,
quite painful, so he wasn't able to I mean, he
joked about hat know, how's he going to wipe his
bum and stuff like that, being in his right hand.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
But so how there he is?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Apparently, you know, there was a mattress sitting in that
kitchen area with a bloody handprint. So somehow a six
foot three man who's obviously just fallen over Cutty's pot
all over, gotten up onto this mattress, managed to get
himself up anyway, There's no how he could have stopped
the bleeding, especially because there was no shoes.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
He wasn't wearing any none of his shoes are missing.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
And then there was no blood leading to the car,
there was no blood and foot well, there was no
blood when they got to lance.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Lan, Okay. So there's no blood outside, no or in
the garage, no.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Or even leading to the door. Like literally, it was
just this one.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
It was very and that's yeah, it's very odd, very
very very odd.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And how long would it take, like I've said, over
an hour? How long is that?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Well I think we weren't It out to be an
hour and seventeen minutes, okay, And you know the only
bit of CCT footage is of him first, you know,
driving into that stretch of Lancelin, and they could not
find any CCT footage they would have matched an hour
and seventeen prior leaving Ocean Reef.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
There was nothing.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
The only one they found was which we would have
been at six thirty five, but that had only given
it for five mint window, which he was so blurry
and you couldn't even say it was a camera, let
alone Dad, So that that was ruled out. And that's why,
you know, they tried so hard, they think, was to
try and say, you know, yes it was him leaving here,
and that's him driving here.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
But you couldn't say that.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And then apparently there's an even footage that should have
been taken a very white leading him that wasn't shown
up there, like why you know, and he didn't have
his glasses on which he needed for driving.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
They were left at home.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
There's unknown DNA found in the house and the car,
all these other points that were dismissed just to say
this particularly crazy event happened, but there was no no
evidence to say it was.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So did he the glasses that he wears and his
shoes nowhere to be found, so not at home.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah, that the glasses were at home, along with his wallet, yeah,
in the normal.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Those to drive, Yes, he would. Okay, just interesting to
put the pieces of the puzzle together, isn't it. It's
it is sorry if this is distressing for you, I
know that I have to relive it all the time,
and I just want to pause there and say thank
you for doing that, because we're here to try and
help you get the word out there. And you know,
I'm always a firm believer as you know, that someone
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somewhere knows something, so absolutely it is important to get
this information out there for everybody because we need to
be looking for these things to help you find him.
So when you found out by police that they had
found your dad's car, you called person B to let
her know, and she alerted you that she was already
half way to LANCELN.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Oh my gosh, how odd It baffles me to this day. Basically,
the excuse was that her best friend had a dream
and that he was in a northern direction. So there's
no common sense or rational explanation as to why they
should have been heading up that way.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
So I don't really know what else to say on that,
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And so was she contacted by the police first, Was.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
She well, no, they let me know first that the
vehicle's found.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Oh so she was literally heading there because the friend
had had a dream.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah, exactly exactly. And then I said, I'll ring her
and let her know. And when I a friend the
police back and sid slay up there, They're like, no, no,
she can't because they're like, oh, she's probably going to
get up there before the police do.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I said, I can't stop her. She's already want
to wie up there, mate, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And what was the car situation?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Was it locked?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
No, the keys were in the engine and it was unlocked,
but the car wasn't running, okay, but it was unlocked.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And do we know if there was any DNA in
the car?
Speaker 5 (27:42):
There was a DNA in a car, but there was
also including my dad's, but there was unknown DNA in
the car too, on the steering wheel and the headrest.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And the police obviously have all that information.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, they do, they do.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And so I know, obviously we didn't want to accuse
anybody of anything that hasn't been charged with any offense.
What is situation there with the police with these claims
about person B.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
So that was the level of the police trying to
address my financial concerns, even though I'd already flagged with
him that there was a seventy two thousand dollars check
you know in the past. It was back in twenty thirteen,
but looked spicious. The handwriting was suspicious and making it worse,
it was put through the local post office, so it
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wasn't taken to a bank done through thing. So the
way it happened was that morning before she even knew
about he was missing, because that night I tried calling
her husband but he wouldn't answer. So I finally got
hold of him the next morning and said it was
I meet you at your dad's house. Okay, I'm met
in there. It was a thirty second conversation and I said,
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he goes, follow me and we'll.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Go tell her.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Anyway, we jumped the car, go to dad's house and
first thing she does is beeline to where his recliner.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
She was.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I didn't even know where the money was, and it
was there, but she grabbed this Christmas box and that's
where it was, and holds up this board.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Cash and I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
And she goes, I don't want the cops to steal
it or take it and okay, but let's just.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Calm down for a second.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
And it was really odd, but I let her do it,
but again that it was all starting to be very,
very strange. But the other thing on that note was
that the timing of when we had gone to her
house to tell her that he was actually missing, she
had actually made a phone call to Dad's best friend
close to two hours before that, asking where Dad was
if he knew he knew where Dad was, And I
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find that really odd because at that point he didn't.
She didn't know the outcome of why his garage door
was up. So yeah, there's just a lot of little
points you look all the way and go to hang,
something's not right here.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And I've read too that person B had said on
her statements in two separate occasions that your dad was suicidal.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Like literally the whole statement was based around that. It
actually basically for sick.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And I also read Bell two that you said that
the police had based their theory on the first thing
that they were told and that shaped the entire investigation.
And I remember hearing you say that your brother in
law had told the police that Jasper was suicidal and
that then ran through the entire case. And something I
want to bring to the attention of everyone listening in
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these cases is that your words matter, right, what you
say is really important and it can have a diabolical
effect on a missing person's case. How did that affect you?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Oh, I still to this day won't forget that phone
call because to know that when I spoke to him
and then he goes straight away, Oh, I told them
that it was suicide.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
He was suicided. And I was like, what I said,
Why did you say that?
Speaker 5 (30:56):
I remember standing in the kitchen at that moment, and
then he literally yelled at me.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
He lelled down the phone, Why I had you done
him something? And got anger me. I'm like, calm down there,
what's going on here? You know? And at that point
I was just in shock. What I'm looking at my
husband and he's like, what the heck?
Speaker 5 (31:11):
You know? But I didn't quite realize at that point
what was being said to police and how much it was. Yeah,
this is this and some of the things he'd said
were just horrendous lies, and those lies turned into gospel
or they actually formed part of what was even in
the Corndage report. I just I'm baffled you know, I'm
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just baffled.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Let's just go back to that check that you mentioned before.
Was it seventy two or seventy four thousand dollars?
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Well, it was basically two days before this check was
actually able to be withdrawn from his normal account. There
had to be there was a transfer from his online
savings account. Now this was an account that he didn't touch,
you know, and Dad didn't even have a computer at
this stage, you know, so he didn't do any online
transactions or anything like that. He didn't do any internal transfers.
He would go into a bank, right, he was old school.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
But yeah, two days.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Before that check came out, there was seventy four thousand
dollars that was transferred electronically from his savings account to
his normal account, and then obviously that made it the
funds available. Two days later, the seventy two thousand dollars
came out.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And do we know who that check was written out to?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, person B.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It was actually written out to her, it was. And
what did the police say about that, Well.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
They just said, we don't know what agreements were in place.
Maybe he just wanted to give her money.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
So in September twenty twenty an inquest into your dad's
disappearance was held in Western Australia. It only went for
two days. What was the outcome.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Look, the good thing that came out of that was
that we got an open finding in the end, okay,
because although they were trying to put a full stop
on his life, which had on my heart, that's all
I believed this was for. You know, there was no
evidence premy made it to Lands and so in the
end I actually walked away sort of going well, they
actually weren't able to say he died in Lands because
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they initially tried to submit that as his date of death,
which would been when the car was found. But because
we were a hired a barrister and we were able
to say no, that's you can't prove that. There was
no evidence, so it had to be backdated to the
last day he was seeing which was the Sunday. So
but it wasn't a positive experience, you know, I wasn't able.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
To read my statement understand.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I was even referred to as in the reporter's corrosive
to investigation by a coroner himself. Really and to make
a worse person, B was someone to attend However, days
literally days prior, she was excused from attending, and I
presume that's because she knew I'd hired a barrister to
actually finally cross examine her and just have her questioned
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under oath. I gave up fighting in the end. I
was like, surely we can speak to the developer, Surely
we can do this. But you know, you know how
hard it is when you get kicked down every step
of the way, you can't really Yeah, you kind of
kind of give up.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
But one thing I'd like to mention is when, because.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
I started to feel like towards before even the report
was submitted, I.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Was like, the cops aren't on my side, you know.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
So there was one thing I'd actually picked up in
the report which I decided to let my barrister cross
examine the Copper on the stand.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
It was regarding a.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Form that was filled out and it was a dental form,
and basically he'd said in the police report, he goes
oh Jensen completed a primary dental and medical history form
on the fiace of June twenty seventeen when attending Craigie
Dental Clinic. In this form completed the month prior to
his disappearance, he had confirmed that he had depression and
listened new Ronton.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
As one of the medications he was on.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Now, they were two big things that they were trying
to say. Now, Lew Roonton the DP said, Nah, he
was offered completely went off by May because he was
weening off during the months, you know, during early twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
So tick that off.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
He wasn't on that. And the second thing was whether
he was depressed. Well, his GP in his own was
said by twin the second twenty seventeen he'd described himself
as really good and by the third of the third fantastic.
No further dose who adjustments were made. It displayed no
signs of depression after January twenty seventeen up to and
including the presentation on the twenty third of June.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
So why was.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
He trying so hard to try and still say these points?
And it actually was person B who filled out and
signed that form. So when that was raised on the stand,
the death stare that he gave me, I said, if
LUKZ could kill mat.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And so, can I ask a personal question and feel
free not to answer, but can you share with us
what sort of costs were involved with you hating to
hire your embarrister at your dad's inquest.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Oh look, it was close to twenty grand just for
that day. But put it this way, good couple of
hundred leading up to just prepping for the inquest. We
obviously didn't have any money because I wasn't working, but
we found a lawyer that would represent me, but only
you know, get paid after the fact, if you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So all up, easy, a couple of hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It's just another stress, isn't it, Belle Like it is
another added stress.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah, And unfortunately that's while I had to use my
dad's hard earned money because that was, you know, once
I finally got my distribution from him, you see all
that that portion of that going to legal phase, and
it's so destroying. You know, you think all my dad
would want, would you make us feel comfortable and you know,
still have the house as a memory and stuff like
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that was always Yeah, it's really it's been really, really typicult.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, I'm very sorry to read that you felt that
your words were misconstrued or misunderstood, and authorities took this
as evidence that fit with their narrative that your dad
had taken his own life. How frustrating was that for you?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Beyond frustrated, Like every step of the way, I was,
you know, don't I can't even put words into it
explaining you know how hard it is to hear everything
I'm saying is he say?
Speaker 4 (37:12):
But everything she's saying as gospel was like why you know?
It just it was it.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Wascwed to one narrative and one narrative only, and they
did anything they could just to push it in that direction.
I was, I was fighting a fight that you know.
I feel like at times, I'm like, why I can't
do this, I can't do this, but I just had
to keep on pushing because you know, he's.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Worth it one hundred. And I feel like that does
happen a lot in these cases where they choose a
line and I'm still dealing with this with my mother
twenty eight years down the track, where they pick a
narrative that sits with them and that's the path they follow.
They really do not venture off much off that path,
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do they, and if they if they've got something there,
And I feel like this has happened to you as well,
where they're just sticking to their guns. It's like, no,
he definitely suicided. You definitely drove the car. There's no blood,
there's no footprints it. There's footprints in the house, but
no footprints coming up to the car. You can't drive.
He drives with glasses, but they're at home. Miraculously, his
car ends up an hour and seventeen minutes away near
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the beach. And there's an assumption made very quickly based
on some people saying, oh, well, he had suicidal tendencies
because he was taking some painkillers.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
And even like with the media release I did, I
was told you do not mention anything about the house,
and that there was but at the house there was
a very clear director from them. No, no, you're not
allowed to mention that, you know, And I I remember
the like, you do.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
What you're told.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
At the time, I didn't know police were going to
be like the way they were. I still had respect
for authorities at that point, so I listened. But I
think back now and going, oh my god, why didn't
I just say what I really thought?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
So what happened?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
Maybe it would have created Maybe was all I kept saying,
is I just needed that one Also with that courage,
a conventional that would look at it in a different
way and just go because all of the investigator was
all based on Lanceloon. I kept saying, this is disjointed.
What about Ocean Reeve? But because the car was found there,
it was like, Nope, that's where he was. And it's like,
but they never found him. So they even said to
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me up there, that's never happened before. There's going to
be such a thorough investigation. I just has never happened before,
and I certainly didn't get that thorough investigation.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know that that's a
fact for you, and I know that's that's a very
hard pel to swallow. But I'm glad you're I'm glad
you're still here, and I'm glad you're still chipping away.
In twenty twenty one, you actually did a five part
podcast series with my friend Jay called Dad's Gone. Since then,
I remember you telling me about some new evidence that
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you had found or seen from the crime scene. Can
you share with us what that was about?
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, Well, obviously I'd analyze the photos a million times,
and every time I go back to the mug might
find the little details something else different, you know, like
it might have been a different headspace and it's you know,
just at one point I was like, hang on a minute,
what is that box sitting in front of Dad's bin
and we're zoomed in on it, and it was a
box of you know, real specialized hospital grade.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Disinfectant wipes, and I was like, hang on a minute.
That didn't buy anything like that.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
Well, number one, you kind of had to be a
cleanup really or you know, it's not like some of
you buy from coals or you know, you had to
buy from a specialty wholesaler, So what the heck, why
is you doing that? And then I looked closer and
I went, hang on a minute, the box is still soaked.
Why is the box wet? And it's like with water
like it was like it was like the floors have
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been mopped and it was still sitting there soaking it up.
But you know it was it wasn't until Wednesday that
the photos were taken, so it certainly shouldn't have been
still wet by that point.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So the police hadn't been in to clean up at
this point.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
They left it up after the fact, but that actually
when when they at Eliza scene, they were made it
very clear that they said, no, there's no evidence of
a cleanup. But he was like, hang on a minute,
why are these you know, disinfecting wipes. For me, it
just was odd, you know, when his vacking cleaner was
out and I don't know, to me, to me, it
looked like there had been a clean up and this
was actually a stage suicide. It was actually made to
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look like he's done. What his dated is what the
police had said, you know, because even all of his
medication was out on the on display. Even though he
used a monthly pill box. The monthly pill box was
filled in and he kept all the boxes. You know.
It wasn't on a lot of medication, don't get me wrong,
but the medication was in a predunder a pill box,
but all of the boxes were laid out, and it
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was just so weird that it was like literally a
setup sort of suicide saying it was like, nah, this
is not right, and too many unt answered questions there
really was.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
When I was reading about this bill, I kind of
just sometimes put myself into the investigative role and start
thinking out, so excuse me, if this has been done.
But I was wondering if that box of medicated wipes,
which is a hospital grade disinfectant wipes typically not available
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at Coals and Wallies. Have you got the details of
what the name is and could we look at who
actually makes these and who's a wholesaler of those?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah, we possibly could, yes, because.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That could be something if you haven't done that. I
was just trying to think outside the square as to
what else could we do that hasn't been done before,
to maybe think of how we can loop it through
and if we've got contacts about people we know, people
who worked in an industry or a business that had
the use for something like that, and you can connect
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that dot to that dot, maybe there's something there. So
what's it been like to carry these unanswered questions for
so many years?
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Look, the biggest I mean obviously not having my dad
here and watch, you know, just watching the kids grow up,
and the amount of times I just think, oh my gosh,
that would be so proud, you know, but that's normal,
that's natural. But the biggest struggle has been fighting every
step of the way and just not being heard. It's
been an unimaginable bite for justice and you know, you know,
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obviously being called toxic.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
The investigation was exactly a highlight in my life.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
And to have someone closed in that all these red flags,
you know, was able to take over full control and
even able to sell his house before a death certificate
or grand of brobate was issued.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
So hang on, hang on, hang on. Are you telling
me that your dad's house was able to be sold
before a death certificate was issued?
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
That is that a rule in Western Australia.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
That's different, not that I'm aware of, because everyone was
telling everyone around me was like no, no, of course
that can't happen, and never gave me an opportunity just
to sign them. So in the end, she yeah, got
layed up, bullish lawyer, got soul administration and somehow managed
to get the actual land rights put into her name
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so she could actually sell the property before we got
a desert defeated.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
And you know what, Belle, Just for the record, I
find it really quite confronting to hear that you're referred
to as a toxic person because you're fighting for the
answers and the truth as to what's happened to your dad.
I find that I don't even know what the right
word is, but that is just a terrible thing. For
anybody to say.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
Yeah, I've been through my moments of anger and frustration
and you know, and my latest battle is having proof
that this person didn't have her phone on the last
day he was seen alive. And yet to this day
there's still not so seeing that as suspicious. They still
say no matches up with a statement, we're not taking
(44:58):
this any further. I've presented it to I've written to
the head of the Major Crime Squad apparently wh said
you know, I actually did get acknowledgment because one of
my letters reached him and he goes, if you have
a new information, let me know.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Three emiles. Six months later, not even a response.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
So in March twenty twenty four. So last year, you
set up a petition to help push your dad's case,
and I want to put a call out to the
WA Police Commissioner Cole Blanche, the state coroner, Judge Robin Hartley,
even your local MP Emily Hamilton to approve for the
(45:40):
Special Crime Squad to review, open and investigate some of
these new fines and new information that has come to
the table. Last time I looked, currently had like nine
hundred and fifty signatures on there. I signed it again
the other night, and then a couple of my friends
signed it. I saw that I put on my Facebook
and a couple of people signed it. How many people
(46:00):
do we need to sign that petition to show our support?
Speaker 5 (46:05):
To be honest, I don't know if there's a magic number.
With the amount of roadbots that.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I've faced, I think I'm going to need a lot.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
So at the end of the day, I would really
just appreciate any support. We're trying to gain more signatures
just to try and get this one question answered. I
that's all I really, I just want one question to
answer asked. If this one person, I'm not after. I
don't even care about the people that's actually done it.
I just want That's all I'm after.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
So any support, and what's your Facebook page called? We're
going to put it in the show notes, and we're
going to put the petition in the show notes as well.
But tell everybody now what your Facebook page is called, so.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
They can jump for So it's called Justice for Jasper,
and I created that to keep him alive, keep his
memory alive, so he didn't become a judge just another.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
So yeah, please visit me.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
I've already got a huge following and without the support
of all those people, I couldn't have again gotten to
where I am today. But I've got a contact form
there as well, so any information, yeah, please feel free
to reach out.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So interestingly, you know, I've been doing the Missing Matter
podcast for a little while now and you are my
fourth episode, and so far all the episodes have been
about men going missing, and I am very sad to
say that every single one of those men do not
(47:31):
have a reward for information. What would it mean to
you if Western Australian Police put up a reward for
information that could help bring your dad home?
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Do you know what? It wouldn't mean more than anything,
it really would.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
Although the good news is that in December twenty twenty four,
the Cook government actually announced that there is a new
reward of up to half a million dollars for any
information that solves a long term missing case in WA.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
And is that across all missing persons currently?
Speaker 5 (47:59):
It is that a website created and there's a link
through to all of the missing persons with the National
Missing Person's Database, which includes my father.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Okay, well that is good, that is good to know. Yeah,
I think from where I sit and watching WA police.
I feel like they are churning quite well over there
in the missing space, like I've seen a churning and
a happening. Something's going on. They are acknowledging missing persons.
But I still think having an individual reward for an
(48:32):
individual case is really vital. And I think you can't
put a number on one person. If someone who's listening
to us today, Belle has something that they need to
tell you or they'd like to speak to you, how
can they best contact you?
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Well, please, I'd ask that you please contact me through
my Justice for Jesber page or providing any information.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
I know listening to obviously Deser's podcasts, you.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
Know you're gonna have You're gonna have space on your
website website for the Missing Matters Contaction to provide information
for where'd you to do so there?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, and that website is www dot themissingmatter dot com
just for those of you who haven't heard that yet.
And you will be, as Belle said, be able to
read profiles and see the faces of these beautiful humans
who are missing to us, So you can contact us
there and we will pass that information onto Bell as well.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
Thank you, and obviously, as we always say, you know,
please feel free to try and contact Crimestoppers, and I
just have to hope they act on the information.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, and I think it's important I like to add
with crime Stoppers. I mean, look, no shade on anything
that happens in that space. But I do know that
my personal experience was there was a couple of calls
from my mum's case that went through from people that
I knew, and they actually when you report to Crimestoppers,
you get like a reference number, right, And when I
(49:56):
spoke to the OAC on my mum's case and asked
her if she'd actually receive those because I said to
them that's the best way to do it, she hadn't
actually received them at that point. So it was only
that I was able to give her the reference numbers
that she went back and actually gained the information. So
that's why I say it's important to share the information
amongst a few, just in case something goes awry and
(50:19):
the information doesn't make it to the detective on the
case or who's looking after the case or managing the case.
I guess because the coroner has deemed your dad deceased,
so is he still sitting within missing persons in Western Australia.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
He's sitting with missing persons, but they say that they
have no they're waiting. They won't do anything unless new
information comes forward. So at least I don't have to
fight for it to be open that I have to
fight for it to be investigated.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, yeah, okay. So I think it's important just to
state at this point we're not accusing anybody of anyone
doing in this podcast. We're simply stating some points of
view that don't necessarily agree with each other. Police seem
to be very clear that there is no criminality involved
in the case of missing person. John Jensen Bell, it's
been so nice to talk to you. Can we finish
(51:07):
with you telling us why Jesper matters?
Speaker 5 (51:13):
He was such a good man. He was he was
a gentle giant that was taken far too early. And
he just deserves better than this. Oh it's difficult to
to say more than that, but he just deserves to
not be labeled this. He deserves to be found, he
deserves to be brought home and later rest with his wife.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
And you deserve peace, my friend.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Thank you so much. Thank you are a good human
and your dad would be very very proud of you.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Next week on the missing matter.
Speaker 6 (51:57):
So the car was located on Tuesday or only told
on Friday, so there was no sort of urgency or
follow up. So it's a very big question because this
was not told to me by police. It was told
to me by community. Thing that the police was sort
of saying around at the end, like, you know, he's
just happy he's living in the back of someone's banana, sad,
(52:20):
you know, and I was just like, but.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
There's no evidence of that.
Speaker 6 (52:23):
I felt pretty heartbroken at that point. I was with
Queensland Police on the other side with their police dogs,
and then we got to a point and then we
couldn't go over it. I felt a lot of betrayal
that they were leaving my brother to sable person in
the bush to die.
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