July 6, 2025 • 31 mins
Sally and Joni arrive in Lille, France, hoping to uncover long-buried records. But instead of answers, they find closed police stations, sealed archives, and endless red tape. Could one small detail still hold the key?
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Apolge Production.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome back to episode nine of The Missing Matter. In
this episode, we ventured to Lil Jonie.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We did, we did so.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yes, we're very much looking forward to coming to this
particular part of northern France, hoping to discover things that
we hadn't been able to do from Australia.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So off we went to.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Lil I remember getting off the train and I think
by this time I was starting to feel a bit unwell.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I had had an earache for a few days.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But we were just marching along as I typically do,
and I am that person that walks around with all
my luggage and people always offer to help, and I'm like, no, no,
I can do it.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I can do it. I can do it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And we got out of the train and we walked
over and you said to me, let's just go up
in the left cell over there, and I went, no, no,
We'll just go up on the escalators.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It's perfectly fine.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And I drag all my suitcases onto the escalator, which
you're probably not supposed to do, and one of my
wheels dropped off, and so my suitcase fell and then
I fell back onto Jroony. Thank goodness, she was standing
me because I probably would have tumbled down the escalators.
But I just think at that moment it hit me
how exhausted I actually was. At that point of the journey,
(01:39):
we were nearly there on the home stretch, got up,
went up to catch an uber around to our little
airbnb that we had, And I've never stayed in airbnb's
until I was actually doing this trip with you, So
getting all the little codes sent to your phone and
the pictures of where they've hidden the key across the
road and down the alley, and it was all quite interesting.
(02:02):
But anyway, we got to our accommodation being on the
train and we were ready to go again, so we
were pretty excited. We had our own bedrooms, so that
was a first after many nights of being in the
same room, and we had three nights I think in
lil didn't we But it was raining again and we
headed off for dinner. It was the probably dinner time
(02:24):
by the time we got there, and Joanie one of
the things she did on this trip, she was trying
to look for places for us to venture to on
our off time, so eating and things like that. Where
we'd found Marion's crapes in Japan, and then we'd found
there was a cafe called Owen's Cafe. We also found
a restaurant called the Big Fernande, so Joanie took me
(02:47):
down there. She said, come on, I'm going to got
a surprise for you. So we walked down there and
grabbed a burger called the Big Fernande.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Where are you going, Jenny? What did you find?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's a little our secret about the.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Secret span big for a next. Wow, that's body, isn't it, Nash?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
And how.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Who would have done it? Is not what I expected either?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, well, so apparently this is very student orientated.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, but it actually wasn't that big, was it?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And the men in there, I remember the floor was
super oily. Actually we really fell over, but it was
a bit of tongue in cheek moment for us.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So I guess one of the main reasons why we
went to Lille was because France is actually quite far
behind in the digitization of their newspapers, so you can't
really get a lot online. So from Australia it's actually
quite challenging to try to find information such as newspaper
articles and things like.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
That from online.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So that's one of the main reasons why we did
go to lil was to try to access the newspapers there.
So this file of newspaper articles that Ilona had kept
for all those years since the seventies.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And who's aloner Just for people who haven't listened to
the Lady Vanishers, they might not know who alone.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Are oh Alona kinzal So. Ilona was Rick Bloom's third wife,
so they were married. So unfortunately that night sale became
quite unwell again a bit of a reverse of Amsterdam,
where I was the one that was going out trying
to get supplies and things for sale to be able
(04:47):
just to chill out and get better. Because I kind
of knew that we're heading sort of towards the end
of the trip, but we still had quite a way
to go. So I was getting concerned that I was
going to have to be the navigator and that probably
would not have gone well would it sell?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And I wasn't that sick. I just had a really
bad ear ring, and I just thought, if I just.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Take a moment, and you're very pro at doing all
of the archives bits and pieces anyway, so I just said,
as long as you're safe and as long as you
go on Innnuba and go there and come straight back.
I'll be okay with that, because I was nervous being
in a different country that we were sort of galloping
by ourselves. But yes, I left you your own devices.
(05:29):
You supplied me up with some multiple croissants, I think, yes,
and ginger shots, and also crazy enough to find and
let you go out to see what you could find.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So try to go to the actual newspaper archive of
the Lavoir Donor. But despite several assurances via email, yes
we have an archive room. Yes you don't need to
book in, just come along and present it reception and
we'll show you through and you can basically sit there
all day and go through the archives. When I arrived
(06:02):
at the reception desk, which was on level three, requesting access,
they said, oh no, sorry, we've just made the archives
here journalists only, so therefore no researchers are allowed to
come in. Then I thought, okay, well, yet another very
bizarre little red stop sign in front of us, So
(06:25):
off I went out into the suburbs of Lille, so
learning the train system at a very quick rate. So
out I went to the archives. So the government archives
out in lill they had the same papers. I had
ordered them up prior to leaving Australia just to ensure
almost as a backup, because I don't know whether I
(06:45):
had a sixth sense or something, but I just thought
with me and so working together, you almost have to
have a backup to a backup, to a backup because
of all the things that do happen over the time.
So I did have that as a backup. They were
all sitting there stacked ready for me with my name
on them. That was where I've been out to there.
(07:06):
I did pretty much a whole day there from memory,
maybe a quick coffee stop in and out. Everybody wanted
to know the story. It was a very formal setting,
so you had a certain set seat. I chose to
go right at the back. There was a lot of
interest because I had like there was a lot of
more historical researches there that were researching on pillows and things,
(07:31):
and so they had just a very small book. Whereas
you can imagine me, I'm coming in hauling on these
trolleys these massive, massive volumes of newspapers and there was
literally moths in the paper. So as I'm opening them
and starting to read, there was actual moths and things
in the papers.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So I remember that there was some Michael Read when
you spoke to him. So he was alone and Read's
second husband after she divorced Rick Blum, and you managed
to find him and had to chat with him, and
he had told you that he had found some newspapers
as well, had newspaper clippings from the time.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yes, they were actually aloners, so he had said to me,
And again this is totally just what Michael John Reid said,
that there was newspaper articles of Rick Bloom having been
part of a group or like a gang, a group
of men who would get very high and higher cars
(08:30):
in Belgium or Germany, and then they would drive them
through Switzerland and get them to Italy and then rebadge
them there and basically sell them on as privately owned
Italian vehicles. So that was what Michael John Reed said.
He recalled within the articles that were produced at the time.
(08:51):
And I said to Michael John Reid, is this relating
to his actual criminal record in France and Belgium that
I'm sure everybody's seen within the National archives.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And he said no, he said, I have read that docum.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
He said, these are things that happened in other countries
and they were just being reported in France. So that's
why Lille was so important because to me, I wanted
to discover what else was around Rick Bloom at that
time that we hadn't read about already within the immigration
documents that we got access to.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So that is why we went to Lil.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
But unfortunately we didn't find anything.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
We didn't find anything, and I mean I targeted all
the right dates, I read through them, I got to
the end, so there was none left at the end,
if you know what I mean, for me to have
sort of left undone like I got them all done.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
That was the one that he thought they were in.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So whether they were in a different newspaper, whether they
were in a Paris newspaper rather than Northern France, I
don't know, but that is certainly something like if Air
just a shout out here, like if anyone is in
France at the moment is a keen researcher and wants
to help to find those articles, then that would be very.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Very helpful because it's something we can't do. This is
what we have to try and explain to people. It's
not we can't physically do it here. We have traveled
the country, we have driven for hours, both of us
to go and do what we have done, and we
just keep getting roadblocks or we rock up and what
was available before we left is now being closed off
(10:34):
to the public and only available to journalists. I mean,
these are just you can't write this stuff. It just
doesn't make any sense. But we keep on pushing. We
keep on trying to find just you know, the smallest
little bits of information essentially so we can hand it
over to police if we find something that's relevant to
helping find my mum.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Right, that's the whole goal of this.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And people might think, okay, so what is the relevance,
What is the relevance of information that was way back when?
But the thing is, as we both know, over all
these years, if there could be the smallest thread that
is literally dangling there, a bit like locating alone in
kinzu for example, smallest little thread, and as you tug
(11:19):
on that thread, then the whole blanket unravels.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
So this is where I think.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
You know, some people might say it's totally irrelevant, who cares.
But at the end of the day, I think that
if we have access to information, we need to see
that information in order to ensure that there's nothing there
that is of value to the case of your mum
and her missingness.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And you know, we've got documents that we have been
privy to in the brief of evidence where there's one
in particular where the police just you know, wrote a
note saying, oh, well, we tried that phone number and
it was disconnected, so no further action. But then we
had the name of the person on that document and
you found him through Facebook. I think through a different
(12:06):
I won't say much because we don't want to sort
of name the person because it is in the brief
of evidence, but you know, that's another example of just
having that tiny, tiny piece of information that person just
opened up a plethora of information to us which helped
us create a firmer timeline for my mum. You know,
it is important and when people are thinking about missing
(12:29):
persons cases or even a murder or something like that,
in any case, it should be that if you know
the tiniest, tiniest piece of information, please please tell us,
or tell the police, tell crime stoppers, because ed is
important to finding my mum. She's still missing. At the
end of the day, we're still chugging along, trying to
(12:49):
do the best we can. We have found some really
important information and let me reassure you that everything that
has been said to us, we pass it on to
the homicide detectives. I'm not sure what they're doing with
that information at this point in time, but rest assured
that everything has been sent to them and hopefully they
are working behind the scenes. So the next morning we
(13:13):
wake up. We've had our sleep in our own bedrooms.
And that was a nice pleasure I guess we had.
That was a pretty cute little apartment we were in.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It was great. It was an old shop.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Remember there was floor to ceiling windows literally right on
the footpath we member with those curtains.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Little curtains.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
We could sit there in our pajamas at nighttime and go, oh,
people can probably see what we're doing. But yeah, we
didn't care. We whatever. We ate in most nights, didn't we.
So it was raining still every day.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Every day, the rain just followed us, followed us, followed us.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
But the day had ticked over Joany and it was
the eighteenth of October. Eighteenth of October is a big
day because it was Joanie's birthday. Yes, and It also
was my brother's fiftieth birthday or what would have been
his fiftieth birthday, So it was a big day for us,
and I wanted to help her celebrate the best way
we can.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Oh, thank you, thank you. Oh you don't have to
get me a gift.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I did.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Oh my goodness, it's actually wrapped and everything.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Just a little something while we're traveling. Oh wow, oh
you got me the book. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
All right, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Give you a little thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you mes God.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
To be away from your family on your birthday, yeah,
I'll let you.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Left you in peace. Thank you. Speaking to the boys
and then your mom.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And the boys.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
What is this? I saw that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I actually saw these and I.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Was going to get some that we didn't have any soaping.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, oh my goodness, I saw these as well.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Oh so pretty, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's got a bit of green in it for yeah, yes,
let you go, beautiful, Thank you, good day.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Thank you, everybody, the wishes. It's lovely.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So today we had a plan of heading straight to
lil Police.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So we were heading today to the police station just
to I guess, highlight the matter of Marion Barter Florabella
Ramchale missing and potential connections to a person that lived
in Little.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Over a long period of time.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And just whether because of all the aliases as well
that this individual had used just I guess making them
aware of the situation and just ensuring that there was
an awareness there with the police in northern France.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
The police.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
English, thank you, thank you, Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
So they're they're there?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, tell me they're closed today? So is there another
police station?
Speaker 9 (16:15):
That one okaye.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
In the NIST police of night found in the National
Police because should enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's Friday. We just walked for twenty.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Minutes in the bloody rain, for sure, that.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Carrying the bloody court documents and.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
All my files killing my mother.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Oh over there, welcome to you.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Friday nine till twelve, thirty ten and one thirty till five.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Even the weekends.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Go to the police station BOK ten forty five.
Speaker 10 (16:58):
The offer.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I'm gonna say that tape looks a little old, don't
you reckon?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Absolutely, I'm honestly just lost for words. Oh enough, all
left to say?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Sally and Journey are in town. Like that wind of
that they're in town. I've heard that they're here, let's
just make it all the more difficult for them. So
that was just absolutely I don't even know what words
to use anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We get there and there's a sign on the door
in French saying that they're closed for the day. I
just couldn't understand how the National police can have it
just a four piece of paper stuck on the door
to say sorry, not here today.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
A woman walked in, didn't she And she's like.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
What's going on? And we're like, I don't, we don't know.
We're English, we're from Australia, we speak English. We don't
know what's happening either. Just mental. I just couldn't. I
couldn't believe that we were back at that point again,
and we were.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Almost second guessing ours I think because we sort of thought, okay,
you see the language barrier because there was no one
else around. But when the local little woman came in
and showed her surprise as well, that's when I thought, oh,
so this is an unusual situation and it's not just us.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Oh my god, it's literally on the other side of
the city.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
It's literally out side.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Of the city.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Is that where we were?
Speaker 9 (18:29):
No?
Speaker 10 (18:30):
I feel like we bought halfway around the city. I
need to go back around to where the gendarmerie cars
are on us and for a lift. Really inconvenienced us.
Why not being opens day with life on liftase?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I can't even get head around it. How can they
be closed?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
It's a Friday morning, that's ten point five.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
It's this is not a eleven PM visit someday afternon
it too.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So yeah, I sort of said to Jonny, what do
we do now? I'll just go to the.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Local real police.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I don't know what I want to do. Importantly unusual.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I think I need a coffee, so very difficult to process.
We went and grabbed a coffee and just sat down
for a second. I think it was called the Campo
Express Bar. We met that lovely lady too, and got
a photo with her, and she let us put the
cards that we'd made on the counter, and she spoke
(19:42):
English and she was like, oh my goodness, I can't
believe what you're telling me. But it was just nice
to sit for a second, come out of the rain,
take our raincoats off, get out of the wet and
go to the bathroom and have something to eat, which
was really good.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
We had a fair bit to do.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
So Pampa, especially bar that's on our way back. We're
going there and we're gonna have the hospital since scenario
it okay, so that's where we're gonna go for something.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
About it so far on our trip because Maryan's crape
fame the biggest Sinan I just smacked then server.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I think Johnny found this morning that there's a cafe or.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
When's your own at all?
Speaker 5 (20:29):
When you want on that funny on all? Was the
birthday twenty birthday too?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Is it good your.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Journey maybe the journeys uh journey's cafe.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
It has literally rained every single.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Day we have trouble with whether it be in Japan,
London and all of your.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Sometimes a very difficult thing.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
The whole umbrella, hold o the bag getting of it,
that's a whole other law. Oh what's the thing.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
We woke up early from.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Night thirty train back up to London and then back
down to get.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
With the car.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
You us have the car for few days. That's super expensive.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
That a good not help to carry the loggage everywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So because the police were closed, we decided to catch
the lift upstairs to see if there was someone we
could ask where we could go to get that information
that we were seeking.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Okay, maybe this is the court. We just went past it. Well,
like the court, thank you for trying.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
What is here?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Tribunal? Yeah? Okay, thank you. Messys would they say.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
They've given me an address?
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And what is that thirteenth Avenue? D Pepper? It's on
this street where the bad archives are.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
But from what I read, we won't be able to
get him anyway, but we'll just drop in on our
way through.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Let's just give it, give it a wrong, nothing to lose.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, when you're standing here looking at it, nothing and
you see archives, see, thank you.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
My dear old dad, he didn't even remember it was
I went's birthday. I just wanted to check him, make
sure he was. He's all right, he always remembers.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
So what I said, did you remember? He said no,
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's sad, all right.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It was a bad connection for hard to hear, yeah,
hard to hear him.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
All right. Let's make her waiting.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
The rain again.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So I remember talking to my dad on the phone.
He'd wrung me and I did think it was a
bit odd. That he hadn't remembered Owen's birthday like he
would normally remember that, and if anyone following along on
my Facebook page, they would have seen that in December
last year, my dad was actually diagnosed with vascular dementia
(23:46):
and he's since moved up to Brisbane and we have
him in a beautiful residence up here where he's getting
really great care. So, you know, interesting at that point,
I guess for me to remember that, that's probably when
I first started to think something might not have been
working so well for him in his brain, which was
which was sad, sad moment.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
So look, we headed back down the way we came,
so from the second floor back down to the first floor.
It was raining, we shook out our umbrellas and off
we went again down to the court which happened to
just be down the road, which was quite convenient, really,
wasn't it. So in we went into the courthouse just
to see if we could locate any documents there.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So after we sort of took a little time to
find where we were going, we'd ended up round the
back because there was cars there, remember park that had
John Darmrie all over them, and so we were sort
of looking in that area to see if that was
where the entrance was, but turned out Google ended up
helping us. It was round the front and we went
in see if they could help us.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
So walked back to where we were before when the
John Darmery cars were the.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Well, since we ride out from to Justice police vehicles.
What's it called it say, archives reception?
Speaker 8 (25:25):
Is it actual right to see if we can get
into this building? It's not very clear, Alice, the Justice.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Would you'll.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
See if you can get in.
Speaker 11 (25:43):
What's the documents about?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
It's an impart case.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
We're we're from Australia, okay, and so we're looking for.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Court documents from nineteen seventy one people go to two
separate courts that happened here in little Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Okay, let's see.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
You're visits or for more visits visits. So it's really
complicates it because you cannot have access to this documents easily, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You have to have an.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Authorization neither way by the French French lay.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
As it's not really I don't know the world anymore, parsecutar.
Speaker 11 (26:34):
Yeah, the book is the particular you amitorization and if
you don't have a link with it in the documents
with the person. It may not be autoist.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
What if we have if there is a civil matter
in Australia in a person that there is a link
between that person.
Speaker 11 (26:56):
If there is a link, you have two whites to
intra secutor and forth prove the Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
So, okay, we can do that from Australia if you want.
Speaker 11 (27:08):
This is the address.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Uh huh here okay, So you.
Speaker 11 (27:13):
Can writes to emails email okay, yes, femail or abba
a handswo you're.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Sending okay, okay, message, thank you, thank you, thanks message you.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
So we managed to get an email for us to
write to the right department seeking the information that we
needed after talking to that lady. And I guess that
comes back for me to a point where if we
hadn't gone there, we wouldn't have been able to get
that email address, because how do you find that online? Like,
it's not something that's available. It was only we were
(27:49):
trying to explain the situation to her again privacy issues
were noted and said that you know, that would be
a problem potentially for us and potentially we would need
a court or police to actually be the ones to
ask for that inform. But we've got all this and
this is what Journey and I have been working with
in between me trying to get my dad into care
(28:12):
and hence what I had to take a bit of
a back burner at the beginning of the year with
following up on some of these things. But that's what
we're doing in the background now, is trying to get
that information from the people that we spoke to over
in those different countries.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Okay, so dechavv quite fitting.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I mean in there, so just.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
To confirm in there, I knew I was just taking
a chance.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So I knew that that was to be the place,
like there has to be.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
A league that has to have to go through different
trials to confirm that was just court.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
So trying to access archives, I just thought we would
just try because we were thinking that if there was
any warrants out for him or unfinished.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Business here in that they potentially might like to know.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Where it is and the goings on in Australia. And
yet again.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
They closed today.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
There was a couple of other people who walked in
behind us who were just looked a bit shocked with their.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Mouth on the floor, going what how can they be shut,
so I'm not.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
It's entirely sure, so we're goingly going to get a coffee.
It was a very pretty city. I was actually very surprised.
I didn't know what to expect when we got there.
But it was absolutely vibing, wasn't it. There was people everywhere.
I learned that one of my girlfriends, Nicole, her daughter,
actually went and did an exchange over there in lil
(29:53):
for her university for her architecture and I was like,
oh gosh, I never really thought about lil being such
a vibey little place, but apparently it's very much student.
So we made our way to the train early the
next morning for the last Eurostar back into London.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
In the next episode of The Missing Matter, we have a.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Very big episode. It's going to be our tenth episode
and we go back to London. We actually found thanks
to a lovely lady in the UK who came over
to us from Facebook. Her name is Gemma, and she
was like, I love researching. I'd like to look at
something for you guys. So we said, look, go and
(30:58):
have a look. See what you can find. Anything we're
grateful for anyway, she came back to us one night
and she said, I've just found the forum that had
a discussion behind it about a passport that had been
found in Tasmania, Australia looking for its owner in the UK,
(31:19):
in this magazine called This England.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Do you think it could be something
Apolge Production.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome back to episode nine of The Missing Matter. In
this episode, we ventured to Lil Jonie.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We did, we did so.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yes, we're very much looking forward to coming to this
particular part of northern France, hoping to discover things that
we hadn't been able to do from Australia.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So off we went to.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Lil I remember getting off the train and I think
by this time I was starting to feel a bit unwell.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I had had an earache for a few days.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But we were just marching along as I typically do,
and I am that person that walks around with all
my luggage and people always offer to help, and I'm like, no, no,
I can do it.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I can do it. I can do it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And we got out of the train and we walked
over and you said to me, let's just go up
in the left cell over there, and I went, no, no,
We'll just go up on the escalators.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It's perfectly fine.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And I drag all my suitcases onto the escalator, which
you're probably not supposed to do, and one of my
wheels dropped off, and so my suitcase fell and then
I fell back onto Jroony. Thank goodness, she was standing
me because I probably would have tumbled down the escalators.
But I just think at that moment it hit me
how exhausted I actually was. At that point of the journey,
(01:39):
we were nearly there on the home stretch, got up,
went up to catch an uber around to our little
airbnb that we had, And I've never stayed in airbnb's
until I was actually doing this trip with you, So
getting all the little codes sent to your phone and
the pictures of where they've hidden the key across the
road and down the alley, and it was all quite interesting.
(02:02):
But anyway, we got to our accommodation being on the
train and we were ready to go again, so we
were pretty excited. We had our own bedrooms, so that
was a first after many nights of being in the
same room, and we had three nights I think in
lil didn't we But it was raining again and we
headed off for dinner. It was the probably dinner time
(02:24):
by the time we got there, and Joanie one of
the things she did on this trip, she was trying
to look for places for us to venture to on
our off time, so eating and things like that. Where
we'd found Marion's crapes in Japan, and then we'd found
there was a cafe called Owen's Cafe. We also found
a restaurant called the Big Fernande, so Joanie took me
(02:47):
down there. She said, come on, I'm going to got
a surprise for you. So we walked down there and
grabbed a burger called the Big Fernande.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Where are you going, Jenny? What did you find?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's a little our secret about the.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Secret span big for a next. Wow, that's body, isn't it, Nash?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
And how.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Who would have done it? Is not what I expected either?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, well, so apparently this is very student orientated.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, but it actually wasn't that big, was it?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And the men in there, I remember the floor was
super oily. Actually we really fell over, but it was
a bit of tongue in cheek moment for us.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So I guess one of the main reasons why we
went to Lille was because France is actually quite far
behind in the digitization of their newspapers, so you can't
really get a lot online. So from Australia it's actually
quite challenging to try to find information such as newspaper
articles and things like.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
That from online.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So that's one of the main reasons why we did
go to lil was to try to access the newspapers there.
So this file of newspaper articles that Ilona had kept
for all those years since the seventies.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And who's aloner Just for people who haven't listened to
the Lady Vanishers, they might not know who alone.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Are oh Alona kinzal So. Ilona was Rick Bloom's third wife,
so they were married. So unfortunately that night sale became
quite unwell again a bit of a reverse of Amsterdam,
where I was the one that was going out trying
to get supplies and things for sale to be able
(04:47):
just to chill out and get better. Because I kind
of knew that we're heading sort of towards the end
of the trip, but we still had quite a way
to go. So I was getting concerned that I was
going to have to be the navigator and that probably
would not have gone well would it sell?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And I wasn't that sick. I just had a really
bad ear ring, and I just thought, if I just.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Take a moment, and you're very pro at doing all
of the archives bits and pieces anyway, so I just said,
as long as you're safe and as long as you
go on Innnuba and go there and come straight back.
I'll be okay with that, because I was nervous being
in a different country that we were sort of galloping
by ourselves. But yes, I left you your own devices.
(05:29):
You supplied me up with some multiple croissants, I think, yes,
and ginger shots, and also crazy enough to find and
let you go out to see what you could find.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So try to go to the actual newspaper archive of
the Lavoir Donor. But despite several assurances via email, yes
we have an archive room. Yes you don't need to
book in, just come along and present it reception and
we'll show you through and you can basically sit there
all day and go through the archives. When I arrived
(06:02):
at the reception desk, which was on level three, requesting access,
they said, oh no, sorry, we've just made the archives
here journalists only, so therefore no researchers are allowed to
come in. Then I thought, okay, well, yet another very
bizarre little red stop sign in front of us, So
(06:25):
off I went out into the suburbs of Lille, so
learning the train system at a very quick rate. So
out I went to the archives. So the government archives
out in lill they had the same papers. I had
ordered them up prior to leaving Australia just to ensure
almost as a backup, because I don't know whether I
(06:45):
had a sixth sense or something, but I just thought
with me and so working together, you almost have to
have a backup to a backup, to a backup because
of all the things that do happen over the time.
So I did have that as a backup. They were
all sitting there stacked ready for me with my name
on them. That was where I've been out to there.
(07:06):
I did pretty much a whole day there from memory,
maybe a quick coffee stop in and out. Everybody wanted
to know the story. It was a very formal setting,
so you had a certain set seat. I chose to
go right at the back. There was a lot of
interest because I had like there was a lot of
more historical researches there that were researching on pillows and things,
(07:31):
and so they had just a very small book. Whereas
you can imagine me, I'm coming in hauling on these
trolleys these massive, massive volumes of newspapers and there was
literally moths in the paper. So as I'm opening them
and starting to read, there was actual moths and things
in the papers.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So I remember that there was some Michael Read when
you spoke to him. So he was alone and Read's
second husband after she divorced Rick Blum, and you managed
to find him and had to chat with him, and
he had told you that he had found some newspapers
as well, had newspaper clippings from the time.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yes, they were actually aloners, so he had said to me,
And again this is totally just what Michael John Reid said,
that there was newspaper articles of Rick Bloom having been
part of a group or like a gang, a group
of men who would get very high and higher cars
(08:30):
in Belgium or Germany, and then they would drive them
through Switzerland and get them to Italy and then rebadge
them there and basically sell them on as privately owned
Italian vehicles. So that was what Michael John Reed said.
He recalled within the articles that were produced at the time.
(08:51):
And I said to Michael John Reid, is this relating
to his actual criminal record in France and Belgium that
I'm sure everybody's seen within the National archives.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And he said no, he said, I have read that docum.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
He said, these are things that happened in other countries
and they were just being reported in France. So that's
why Lille was so important because to me, I wanted
to discover what else was around Rick Bloom at that
time that we hadn't read about already within the immigration
documents that we got access to.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So that is why we went to Lil.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
But unfortunately we didn't find anything.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
We didn't find anything, and I mean I targeted all
the right dates, I read through them, I got to
the end, so there was none left at the end,
if you know what I mean, for me to have
sort of left undone like I got them all done.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
That was the one that he thought they were in.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So whether they were in a different newspaper, whether they
were in a Paris newspaper rather than Northern France, I
don't know, but that is certainly something like if Air
just a shout out here, like if anyone is in
France at the moment is a keen researcher and wants
to help to find those articles, then that would be very.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Very helpful because it's something we can't do. This is
what we have to try and explain to people. It's
not we can't physically do it here. We have traveled
the country, we have driven for hours, both of us
to go and do what we have done, and we
just keep getting roadblocks or we rock up and what
was available before we left is now being closed off
(10:34):
to the public and only available to journalists. I mean,
these are just you can't write this stuff. It just
doesn't make any sense. But we keep on pushing. We
keep on trying to find just you know, the smallest
little bits of information essentially so we can hand it
over to police if we find something that's relevant to
helping find my mum.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Right, that's the whole goal of this.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And people might think, okay, so what is the relevance,
What is the relevance of information that was way back when?
But the thing is, as we both know, over all
these years, if there could be the smallest thread that
is literally dangling there, a bit like locating alone in
kinzu for example, smallest little thread, and as you tug
(11:19):
on that thread, then the whole blanket unravels.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
So this is where I think.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
You know, some people might say it's totally irrelevant, who cares.
But at the end of the day, I think that
if we have access to information, we need to see
that information in order to ensure that there's nothing there
that is of value to the case of your mum
and her missingness.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And you know, we've got documents that we have been
privy to in the brief of evidence where there's one
in particular where the police just you know, wrote a
note saying, oh, well, we tried that phone number and
it was disconnected, so no further action. But then we
had the name of the person on that document and
you found him through Facebook. I think through a different
(12:06):
I won't say much because we don't want to sort
of name the person because it is in the brief
of evidence, but you know, that's another example of just
having that tiny, tiny piece of information that person just
opened up a plethora of information to us which helped
us create a firmer timeline for my mum. You know,
it is important and when people are thinking about missing
(12:29):
persons cases or even a murder or something like that,
in any case, it should be that if you know
the tiniest, tiniest piece of information, please please tell us,
or tell the police, tell crime stoppers, because ed is
important to finding my mum. She's still missing. At the
end of the day, we're still chugging along, trying to
(12:49):
do the best we can. We have found some really
important information and let me reassure you that everything that
has been said to us, we pass it on to
the homicide detectives. I'm not sure what they're doing with
that information at this point in time, but rest assured
that everything has been sent to them and hopefully they
are working behind the scenes. So the next morning we
(13:13):
wake up. We've had our sleep in our own bedrooms.
And that was a nice pleasure I guess we had.
That was a pretty cute little apartment we were in.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It was great. It was an old shop.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Remember there was floor to ceiling windows literally right on
the footpath we member with those curtains.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Little curtains.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
We could sit there in our pajamas at nighttime and go, oh,
people can probably see what we're doing. But yeah, we
didn't care. We whatever. We ate in most nights, didn't we.
So it was raining still every day.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Every day, the rain just followed us, followed us, followed us.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
But the day had ticked over Joany and it was
the eighteenth of October. Eighteenth of October is a big
day because it was Joanie's birthday. Yes, and It also
was my brother's fiftieth birthday or what would have been
his fiftieth birthday, So it was a big day for us,
and I wanted to help her celebrate the best way
we can.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Oh, thank you, thank you. Oh you don't have to
get me a gift.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I did.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Oh my goodness, it's actually wrapped and everything.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Just a little something while we're traveling. Oh wow, oh
you got me the book. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
All right, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Give you a little thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you mes God.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
To be away from your family on your birthday, yeah,
I'll let you.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Left you in peace. Thank you. Speaking to the boys
and then your mom.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And the boys.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
What is this? I saw that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I actually saw these and I.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Was going to get some that we didn't have any soaping.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, oh my goodness, I saw these as well.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Oh so pretty, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's got a bit of green in it for yeah, yes,
let you go, beautiful, Thank you, good day.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Thank you, everybody, the wishes. It's lovely.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So today we had a plan of heading straight to
lil Police.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So we were heading today to the police station just
to I guess, highlight the matter of Marion Barter Florabella
Ramchale missing and potential connections to a person that lived
in Little.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Over a long period of time.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And just whether because of all the aliases as well
that this individual had used just I guess making them
aware of the situation and just ensuring that there was
an awareness there with the police in northern France.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
The police.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
English, thank you, thank you, Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
So they're they're there?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, tell me they're closed today? So is there another
police station?
Speaker 9 (16:15):
That one okaye.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
In the NIST police of night found in the National
Police because should enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's Friday. We just walked for twenty.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Minutes in the bloody rain, for sure, that.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Carrying the bloody court documents and.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
All my files killing my mother.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Oh over there, welcome to you.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Friday nine till twelve, thirty ten and one thirty till five.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Even the weekends.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Go to the police station BOK ten forty five.
Speaker 10 (16:58):
The offer.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I'm gonna say that tape looks a little old, don't
you reckon?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Absolutely, I'm honestly just lost for words. Oh enough, all
left to say?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Sally and Journey are in town. Like that wind of
that they're in town. I've heard that they're here, let's
just make it all the more difficult for them. So
that was just absolutely I don't even know what words
to use anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We get there and there's a sign on the door
in French saying that they're closed for the day. I
just couldn't understand how the National police can have it
just a four piece of paper stuck on the door
to say sorry, not here today.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
A woman walked in, didn't she And she's like.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
What's going on? And we're like, I don't, we don't know.
We're English, we're from Australia, we speak English. We don't
know what's happening either. Just mental. I just couldn't. I
couldn't believe that we were back at that point again,
and we were.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Almost second guessing ours I think because we sort of thought, okay,
you see the language barrier because there was no one
else around. But when the local little woman came in
and showed her surprise as well, that's when I thought, oh,
so this is an unusual situation and it's not just us.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Oh my god, it's literally on the other side of
the city.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
It's literally out side.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Of the city.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Is that where we were?
Speaker 9 (18:29):
No?
Speaker 10 (18:30):
I feel like we bought halfway around the city. I
need to go back around to where the gendarmerie cars
are on us and for a lift. Really inconvenienced us.
Why not being opens day with life on liftase?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I can't even get head around it. How can they
be closed?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
It's a Friday morning, that's ten point five.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
It's this is not a eleven PM visit someday afternon
it too.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So yeah, I sort of said to Jonny, what do
we do now? I'll just go to the.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Local real police.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I don't know what I want to do. Importantly unusual.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I think I need a coffee, so very difficult to process.
We went and grabbed a coffee and just sat down
for a second. I think it was called the Campo
Express Bar. We met that lovely lady too, and got
a photo with her, and she let us put the
cards that we'd made on the counter, and she spoke
(19:42):
English and she was like, oh my goodness, I can't
believe what you're telling me. But it was just nice
to sit for a second, come out of the rain,
take our raincoats off, get out of the wet and
go to the bathroom and have something to eat, which
was really good.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
We had a fair bit to do.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
So Pampa, especially bar that's on our way back. We're
going there and we're gonna have the hospital since scenario
it okay, so that's where we're gonna go for something.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
About it so far on our trip because Maryan's crape
fame the biggest Sinan I just smacked then server.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I think Johnny found this morning that there's a cafe or.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
When's your own at all?
Speaker 5 (20:29):
When you want on that funny on all? Was the
birthday twenty birthday too?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Is it good your.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Journey maybe the journeys uh journey's cafe.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
It has literally rained every single.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Day we have trouble with whether it be in Japan,
London and all of your.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Sometimes a very difficult thing.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
The whole umbrella, hold o the bag getting of it,
that's a whole other law. Oh what's the thing.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
We woke up early from.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Night thirty train back up to London and then back
down to get.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
With the car.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
You us have the car for few days. That's super expensive.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
That a good not help to carry the loggage everywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So because the police were closed, we decided to catch
the lift upstairs to see if there was someone we
could ask where we could go to get that information
that we were seeking.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Okay, maybe this is the court. We just went past it. Well,
like the court, thank you for trying.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
What is here?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Tribunal? Yeah? Okay, thank you. Messys would they say.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
They've given me an address?
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And what is that thirteenth Avenue? D Pepper? It's on
this street where the bad archives are.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
But from what I read, we won't be able to
get him anyway, but we'll just drop in on our
way through.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Let's just give it, give it a wrong, nothing to lose.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, when you're standing here looking at it, nothing and
you see archives, see, thank you.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
My dear old dad, he didn't even remember it was
I went's birthday. I just wanted to check him, make
sure he was. He's all right, he always remembers.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
So what I said, did you remember? He said no,
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's sad, all right.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It was a bad connection for hard to hear, yeah,
hard to hear him.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
All right. Let's make her waiting.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
The rain again.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So I remember talking to my dad on the phone.
He'd wrung me and I did think it was a
bit odd. That he hadn't remembered Owen's birthday like he
would normally remember that, and if anyone following along on
my Facebook page, they would have seen that in December
last year, my dad was actually diagnosed with vascular dementia
(23:46):
and he's since moved up to Brisbane and we have
him in a beautiful residence up here where he's getting
really great care. So, you know, interesting at that point,
I guess for me to remember that, that's probably when
I first started to think something might not have been
working so well for him in his brain, which was
which was sad, sad moment.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
So look, we headed back down the way we came,
so from the second floor back down to the first floor.
It was raining, we shook out our umbrellas and off
we went again down to the court which happened to
just be down the road, which was quite convenient, really,
wasn't it. So in we went into the courthouse just
to see if we could locate any documents there.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So after we sort of took a little time to
find where we were going, we'd ended up round the
back because there was cars there, remember park that had
John Darmrie all over them, and so we were sort
of looking in that area to see if that was
where the entrance was, but turned out Google ended up
helping us. It was round the front and we went
in see if they could help us.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
So walked back to where we were before when the
John Darmery cars were the.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Well, since we ride out from to Justice police vehicles.
What's it called it say, archives reception?
Speaker 8 (25:25):
Is it actual right to see if we can get
into this building? It's not very clear, Alice, the Justice.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Would you'll.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
See if you can get in.
Speaker 11 (25:43):
What's the documents about?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
It's an impart case.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
We're we're from Australia, okay, and so we're looking for.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Court documents from nineteen seventy one people go to two
separate courts that happened here in little Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Okay, let's see.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
You're visits or for more visits visits. So it's really
complicates it because you cannot have access to this documents easily, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You have to have an.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Authorization neither way by the French French lay.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
As it's not really I don't know the world anymore, parsecutar.
Speaker 11 (26:34):
Yeah, the book is the particular you amitorization and if
you don't have a link with it in the documents
with the person. It may not be autoist.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
What if we have if there is a civil matter
in Australia in a person that there is a link
between that person.
Speaker 11 (26:56):
If there is a link, you have two whites to
intra secutor and forth prove the Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
So, okay, we can do that from Australia if you want.
Speaker 11 (27:08):
This is the address.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Uh huh here okay, So you.
Speaker 11 (27:13):
Can writes to emails email okay, yes, femail or abba
a handswo you're.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Sending okay, okay, message, thank you, thank you, thanks message you.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
So we managed to get an email for us to
write to the right department seeking the information that we
needed after talking to that lady. And I guess that
comes back for me to a point where if we
hadn't gone there, we wouldn't have been able to get
that email address, because how do you find that online? Like,
it's not something that's available. It was only we were
(27:49):
trying to explain the situation to her again privacy issues
were noted and said that you know, that would be
a problem potentially for us and potentially we would need
a court or police to actually be the ones to
ask for that inform. But we've got all this and
this is what Journey and I have been working with
in between me trying to get my dad into care
(28:12):
and hence what I had to take a bit of
a back burner at the beginning of the year with
following up on some of these things. But that's what
we're doing in the background now, is trying to get
that information from the people that we spoke to over
in those different countries.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Okay, so dechavv quite fitting.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I mean in there, so just.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
To confirm in there, I knew I was just taking
a chance.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So I knew that that was to be the place,
like there has to be.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
A league that has to have to go through different
trials to confirm that was just court.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
So trying to access archives, I just thought we would
just try because we were thinking that if there was
any warrants out for him or unfinished.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Business here in that they potentially might like to know.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Where it is and the goings on in Australia. And
yet again.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
They closed today.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
There was a couple of other people who walked in
behind us who were just looked a bit shocked with their.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Mouth on the floor, going what how can they be shut,
so I'm not.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
It's entirely sure, so we're goingly going to get a coffee.
It was a very pretty city. I was actually very surprised.
I didn't know what to expect when we got there.
But it was absolutely vibing, wasn't it. There was people everywhere.
I learned that one of my girlfriends, Nicole, her daughter,
actually went and did an exchange over there in lil
(29:53):
for her university for her architecture and I was like,
oh gosh, I never really thought about lil being such
a vibey little place, but apparently it's very much student.
So we made our way to the train early the
next morning for the last Eurostar back into London.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
In the next episode of The Missing Matter, we have a.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Very big episode. It's going to be our tenth episode
and we go back to London. We actually found thanks
to a lovely lady in the UK who came over
to us from Facebook. Her name is Gemma, and she
was like, I love researching. I'd like to look at
something for you guys. So we said, look, go and
(30:58):
have a look. See what you can find. Anything we're
grateful for anyway, she came back to us one night
and she said, I've just found the forum that had
a discussion behind it about a passport that had been
found in Tasmania, Australia looking for its owner in the UK,
(31:19):
in this magazine called This England.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Do you think it could be something
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