December 14, 2024 • 51 mins
Pro-life leader, Seth Gruber, comes onto the show to discuss his journey on answering his call to fight against abortions and why Christians need to respond to this fight. Tune in so you can be educated and learn how to get involved!
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
Play it awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, you know, I know that you're the professional. I
know some of the little quips and quirks that you
made at Freedom Night about literally being born into the
pro life movement. But I you know, I don't know
how you got your start in this movement and how
it all came into fruition. So if you would start
from there, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, yeah, Lindsay, I was, I was, I was conceived,
I guess in the pro life movement. I say, I've
been a pro life activist since that was a fetus.
And my mother was the executive director of a pregnancy
resource center, one of those wonderful pregnancy care clinics pregnancy
resource centers in the late nineteen eighties. So between the
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mid to late nineteen eighties and today, Lindsay, pregnancy resource
centers I believe have increased by over seventy percent, and
so there were not nearly nearly as many prcs pregnancy
resource centers in the mid to late nineteen eighties as
there are today. And so my mother was one of
the executive directors of one of those early centers in
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Los Angeles County of all places, in Azusa near Azusa
Pacific University actually, which is an allegedly Christian university. That
none of your listeners should ever send their kids to
conversation for another time, and so that was called Living Alternatives.
And then I was the first born, and so when
I was born, she stepped down from directing that pregnancy
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center and then homeschooled me and my sisters. But I've
been told by the religion of Anthony Fauci and transgenderism
and leftism, lindsay, I've been reliably informed that it's just
her body and her choice, that there's just one body involved,
which then means a couple of things. It means that
my mother had male genitalia for some for quite a
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few months while being pregnant. Because according to the law
of transitive property, if A equals B and B equal C,
then A equals C. And so if I was part
of my mother's body, uh, then the parts of my
body were part of my mother's body, which now means
women have penises, which I guess actually works in the
religious transgenderism, where a woman can be trapped inside a
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man's body. So it's fascinating. Now interestingly, I was a
man trapped in a woman's body, but then I was born, see,
and so you know, welcome to science, science, these stupid roots.
It's like, it's like, oh, well, I think when you
say science, I think you mean a kooky, weird, spiritual, anthropological,
philosophical view of the person that you're masquerading. Is just
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follow the science. And we can get into a lot
of those arguments in a second with you, Lindsay. And
so yeah, according to that science, I was a pro
life activist since I was a fenus because my mother
was a pro activist saving babies marked for murder, and
so because I was part of her body, it was
me saving those babies because there was just one body,
my mother's body. So just fascinating things I learned as
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I've been following the science in the last two and
a half years. And then I grew up every year
doing the March, doing the Walk for Life for our
local pregnancy resource center. I was a little kid calling
people on the phone asking them to sponsor me to
walk to raise funds for the local pregnancy Resource center.
I was often one of the top childhood fundraisers for
the walk. Now I was a little bit more incentivized, lindsay,
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by the free biker Disneyland tickets you would get if
you were the top fundraiser. But from an early age,
I had an understanding that abortion was evil and wicked.
But you can't really know how evil until you have
to look at what choice looks like, Lindsay. Until you've
looked at what pro choice looks like, and you've looked
at the mutilated bodies and body parts of children on
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a medical waste table after they've been disemboweled and dismembered,
you do not know what abortion entails. I always say this, Lindsay,
it's easy to be pro choice when you never had
to look at what that choice looks like. Now, listen,
as you can sense, Lindsay, you know I don't pull
any punches, but you know I want to be very clear. Listen,
I'm not here to shame or condemn anyone. I'm not
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here to tell you that if you've got an abortion,
you're wicked. You're doomed and you're going to hell. No,
Jesus is just as eager to forgive the sin of
abortion as any other sin. And if anyone needs evidence
of this, Lindsay, by the way, the story of King David. Right,
if you're a Christian and you believe that God knits
life together in the womb, and that's why we have
value because we bear his image. Well, King David's in
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the Hall of Faith. Right, King David was called a
man after God's own heart. You know his other title though, Lindsey, No,
keeping peeping Tom. Yeah, peeping Tom. Oh, there's Bathsheba taking
a shower. And then you know, while he's sending his
army to fight his own battles, David sleeps with her,
impregnates her, and murders her husband. So David, listen, Lindsey,
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David and your listeners, I hope this blesses them because
I don't want anyone living in shame and conturbation when
God wants to bring you into healing. David arranges the
death of an innocent human being to hide and cover
up his sexual sin. And listen, if you're listening to this,
maybe you arrange the death of an innocent human being
to hide and cover up your sexual sin, so no
one knew that you had gotten pregnant. But listen, if
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there's grace for King David, there's grace for you. And
if you go through the figures in the Hall of
Faith and Hebrews and the New Testament, boy, some of
those people, that's some wicked things. So I don't want
anyone to feel like I'm, you know, throwing them out
into utter darkness. Are not all sin is equal, but
all sin puts us in a level playing field before
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the cross and means that we're all in need of forgiveness.
But I will speak very clearly about this horror, Lindsay,
because I will have nothing to do with the linguistic
leftist bigotry that describes the genocide of babies as just healthcare.
And I think it's very important that we use accurate
terms to refer or two reality. The left has been
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in a long tradition of redefining everything. Is you noticed, Lindsey,
redefining everything, even the word definition, so that you can't
critique them for redefining words. Oh no, that's not the definition,
the definition of definition. And so we need to not
have anything to do with that and speak very clearly
because language really matters. And so yes, I as a
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senior in high school, I did my senior project on
abortion because I was convicted that I didn't have good
answers to my pro choice friends, Lindsey, and so in
order to graduate, everyone had to do a research paper,
a public speech at the end of the year, and
volunteer hours associated with your topic selection. I picked abortion.
I volunteered at pro life organization at eighteen years old
the Christmas break of two thousand and nine, going into
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my last semester at what are your High School in
southern California in Los Angeles County, And the first thing
I did at this pro life organization was I scanned
three hundred images of first trimester mutilated babies. Now, Lindsey, this,
I'm talking seven, eight, nine and ten weeks old. That's
when the majority of abortions happened, Lindsay, the majority of
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abortions happen right there between about six and ten weeks.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And that week is where they best manipulate women into
believing it's not a baby yet, it's just a little
clump of cells in those weeks, and we know that
that's not true.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yep, that's right. Ken On of abortions, over ninety percent
of abortions are performed in the first trimester, lindsay, the
first trimester, and there's the most public support for abortion
in the first trimester because most of the American public
has been manipulated and propaganda is into believing that in
the first trimester, it's just not really a person yet,
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it's kind of just a tissue mass. Well, guys, I
not only did I see and continue to see and
have photos on my phone. I can show you if
you want to see it on the program of babies
mutilated at six seven, eight, nine weeks, but I actually
have and read the documentation signed by the quote unquote
doctor who confirmed the gestational age of those children when
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they were murdered. Now, I know, that's a weird conversation
to get into. Some people are like, how could pro
lifers do that? Like, how could they pay someone to
get those images? Well, listen, how else are we supposed
to get it? You know? Like, yes, there were probably
sidewalk counselors outside that day of that abortion center trying
to save that baby, But how else are we supposed
to get pictures? Of the victims, to prick the conscience
of the culture and awaken them to action, and to
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show the victims of choice. Yeah yeah, some pro life
organizations paid to get those photos. And so not only
have I seen these photos, Lindsay, I've seen the signatures
of the photographer and the doctor confirming the age that
they are those children actually are. Because when we show
these on university campus is Lindsay, people say that's fake.
It's like the typical George orwell Antonio Graham. She Sawlolensky
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strategy of just the denial of reality and the suppression
of their political opponents. And that's fake. Those are doctored
images that you photosh. No, that's what a baby looks
like when you murder them at eight weeks old. And
so that was a real turning point of my life.
And I'm speaking too long that I went up to
Christian College in Santa Barbara. I started the first pro
life club at Westmont College, and I held dead baby
photo signs on campus because I learned that my alma mater,
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my Christian College, hired pro abortion professors. And I could
give you some of their names today they still speak.
They're Chris and Sherry Heckley, Deborah Dunn, Mary doctor Omitia
O Chang, pro abortion professors who signed a statement of
faith to teach it at Christian College at Santa Barbara,
who believed that women should be able to slaughter their
children through point of birth. Because that's I don't know,
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but that's progressivism or speaking truth to power some crap.
And then I learned that my alma mater doesn't take
a position on abortion. Now they have a position on
marriage and God's view of a sexual ethic, but no
position on what to do with children that their students
might create when they violate the sexual ethic that they
have a very clear stance on. Suddenly, I guess those
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image bearers are not valuable enough to warrant political protection.
So listen, guys, you need to hear me very clearly.
If you're a Christian who's pro choice, or you attend
a university that alleges to be Christian and their pro
choice or their professors are those people need to be
fired immediately and treated as heretics. And here's why. If
you're a Christian who's pro choice, you must say if
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you are consistent, Lindsey, you must say that Mary had
the right to murder your savior. Yep, that Mother Mary
had the right to murder your savior. If you're consistent,
that is what you must say, because it would mean
Mary's body, Mary's choice, which means that Christ was at
some point fully God but not fully human, therefore committing
a christological heresy. So that's my background. And then I
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started speaking full time. I raised the support to do
it in twenty fourteen, and then I started my own
organization this year, the White Rose Resistance, to implement my
strategical vision in this post Roe versus Wag moment, to
prick the collective conscience of the culture by being a
stick in the eye of flying the ointment and a
pain in the ass to the abortion industrial complex, the
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liberal establishment and the spirit of the age and their
obsession with slaughtering babies, and more importantly, to awaken the
church to action in this late hour of the American
culture war. I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So you're speaking full time? Are you speaking mostly at churches,
at pro life organizations or rallies.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah? So I keynote Pregnancy Resource Center banquets, and then
we do university tours. So this year we did Stanford,
UC Berkeley, It was fun. Charlie was there the day
before me, and then I was there the day after
at Berkeley and then University of Cincinnati, and we did
a couple others and we'll do a new one in
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twenty twenty three as well. But I'm in the middle
of a nationwide church tour sponsored and promoted by TPUSA
Faith and Charlie and his team called the White Rose
Resistance National Life Tour, and we're headed to headed north
of Portland next and then we're going to Saint Louis
and then we're going to Calviy Chapel, you know Hills
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one of my earthly heroes, Pastor Jekibbs on.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
The no That is awesome. Yeah, I just saw on
your Instagram your little national tour. I got really excited
for you.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I can see you being I can see you being
on some kind of panel with Charlie Kirk at some point,
going to colleges and just shaking everything up.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yep, that's right. And because we need to understand much
of the reason we're in this position has been because
the Left has been more committed to advancing their religion
in the public square than the people of God. Have
been to promoting righteousness in the public square. And the
way that the left kind of resorts to their long
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walk through the institutions has been the colleges in America. Right,
these are leftists and doctrination think tanks. And so, to
quote Dennis Praeger, you know you shouldn't be playing Russian
roulette with your kids' values. Or to quote Vote Bacham,
if you send your children to Caesar, don't com plane
when they come back as Romans. And that's what's been
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happening for decades now. And so yes, the educational battle
is important, the political battles important, and everything's local now.
And so if if you want to actually make a
change in this country for the lives of the unborn
and for liberty, start where you are, Start locally, where
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you are with your influence, school boards, taking ground wherever
you can. Because boys, this cultural battle really heating up,
and I think people are waking up and realizing, oh,
maybe this was always a spiritual battle that masqueraded as
just the science and just the politics to keep their
political opponents silent. And there is a very kooky religious
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aspect to leftism, and we should treat it as an
alternative religion, and I'm happy to impact that with you
as we continue our conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh heck, yah, unpack that because I've heard I heard
a lot of your pro life stuff at Freedom Night,
you know, and I know what you believe in the
goal for me is to get everything you said kind
of out there for my viewers who and and listeners
who you know don't live in Arizona, because this is
a global podcast. But yeah, I mean it's important that
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we that we touch on the idea that the left
believes what they believe, and it's we call them the left,
which is a political term, but this is a spiritual fight.
And so yeah, I mean I want to hear I
definitely want to hear your opinion on everything.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, it's you know, man is fundamentally a religious being, Lindsay,
And I'm using man in the in the sense of mankind.
You know, we can't help but be religious. And you know,
the Bible says that eternity is written on the heart
of man, right, which means that we come from God.
We've been made by God, and so our hearts and
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our bodies can't help but function in a religious manner
because we were created to be a religious being. We
were created to worship, Lindsey, Man and woman was created
to worship. Now, you know, theologians will say, you know,
the heart is an idol factory. Well said, because if
you're not directing those devotions and love towards your creator,
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you'll just devote it and direct it to somewhere else.
And so we have many gods today in America, the
God of self, the God of sex, the God of family.
You can you can create a god out of good things. Right.
It's been said that that idolatry is not necessarily always
the love of an evil thing, but the inordinate love
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of a good thing. Right, it's getting the order of
your loves wrong. And so idolatry doesn't necessarily mean like
you're bowing to like a golden cat. It could just
be that your your your worshiping your family, your wife,
your children in a way that's out of order that
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you are not created to. So anyways, man is fundamentally
religious being. And so the left, Lindsay, craves the same
thing we crave as Christians, which is what something to
worship and yes, and to defeat death, to defeat death.
First Corinthians fifteen twenty six. Lindsay says, the last enemy
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to be destroyed is death. And so that's written on
our hearts. We want to live forever. No one wants
to die. It's the great fear, right, It's what motivates
these these billionaires like Soros and Jeff Bezos right to
Bezos right now is obsessed with this idea of transhumanism,
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right to attaching making us superhumans right through robotic enhancements.
Even even Elon Musk, who's you know, more based, conservatively
certain than the other leftist billionaires, but he's no Christian.
He's also really fascinated with this idea of like uploading
our consciousness to the cloud. Right, there's all these push
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there's all these pushes from the billionaire class or what
is Bernie Sanders, the millionaires and millionaires uh to try
to live forever? Right that if that, if we can,
if we can strip the consciousness and attach it to
the cloud and create this sort of robotic you know,
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electronic enhancement of the human person, we can defeat death.
We can live forever. But listen, this will fascinate your listeners,
I think because most people don't dive quite as deep
as I do into into the the culture wars, because
there are there are there are worldviews carry worlds, worldviews
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carry worlds within them, and we we all function off
of ideas that inform the decisions that we make. The problem, historically, Lindsay,
has been that most people can't identify or explain to
you sort of the philosophical premises or religious creeds that
they're operating off of. They just assume them. A. C. S.
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Lewis would famously say, the most dangerous ideas in a
society are not the ones being argued for, They're the
ones being assumed. Now why because assumed ideas, especially when undetected,
can destroy a nation. Because if you're assuming ideas, then
you're not aware that you're operating off of a worldview,
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off of philosophical presuppositions. That's very dangerous because you may
be absorbing a very dangerous false philosophy or false anthropology
of the human person that is animating your social, cultural,
and political decisions. And so the same worldview listen, listen,
the same worldview that abortion that drives transgenderism, and it
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drives transhumanism, or this hope that we can kind of
download our consciousness of the cloud and thereby live forever,
or find new bodies when our consciousness is one hundred
years old and it's in the cloud, and download the
same consciousness into a new body. Listen, I know this
stuff sounds coooky. It's like a sci fi novel. Lindsay.
There are billionaires right now trying to look at whether
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this can actually happen. Now, I'll tell you right now, podcast,
right now, this first time I've said this pubsibly, but
I'll say this on your podcast right now. That is
impossible and it will never happen. Take it to the bank.
Come hit me up in fifty years when all of
you guys have found out that I was right. Because
it's a false anthropology. People are both bodies and souls.
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We're not just bodies, I'm sorry. We're not just souls
that live in the shell of the body. So you
can't just pull out the consciousness like that's the person,
but the body's not. It's just a shell, and then
shove the real person, who's a consciousness into another body.
It's impossible because that's not what people are. We are
both bodies and souls. Okay, So to connect all these ideas,
so I'm going sixty thousand feet with you and your listeners, lindsay,
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and then we're going to go down ten thousand feet
and address some of the some of the more finer
arguments that pro choicers make. But we need to go
up sixty thousand feet. Is Francis Schaeffer, the famous theologian
and worldview thinker, would say Christians have for too long
dealt in bits and pieces. They've dealt in bits and
pieces with ideas rather than going up sixty thousand feet
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and seeing the worldview playing field, and how these ideas
intersect and animate the various cultural movements that we see today.
And so how what is what is these things have
in common? Well, it's an old religious heresy. Actually the
Church deemed this the heresy centuries ago. It's it's called
body self dualism or gnostic dualism. Now, I know that
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sounds sort of confusing. It's actually quite simple. So body
self dualism. Okay, So there's a duality between body and
the self. Body self dualism. So, lindsay, if there's a
duality between the body and the self, it means that
real persons are not bodies. There's a difference between the self.
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Who's the self, the real person. There's a difference between
this the real person and the body. The Church deemed
this a heresy centuries ago because we understand we are
both body and soul. What let me What are some examples,
especially for Christians. The Psalms in the scriptures talk a
lot about how there's a verse in the Psalms that says,
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when when I didn't repent, my bones wasted away inside me. Now, interesting,
what did that? What did that Psalm? In the scriptures
just say, lindsay when I didn't repent. So and that's
an untangible philosophical thing, right, because repentance doesn't just mean
you kneel on your knees. You actually, inwardly, your soul
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has to feel about sin and say Lord, I'm sorry,
save me a sinner. So repentance is an untangible thing.
We can't see repentance. Repentance happens in your heart. Okay,
So when I didn't repent a non bodily thing, my
bones body wasted away inside me. What's the scriptures connecting that?
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We're both body and soul so much so that when
you don't repent of your sin in that you're feeling
in your soul, it affected your physical nature. Oh, so
it's connecting both of those things. When Jesus rises again,
he doesn't rise as a spirit. He rises with a body,
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and he still has the holes in his hands to
remind us that we are both body and soul. Those
are some examples even for the secularist though, Lindsay, who's
not a Christian, even they, if they're honest, can acknowledge
that when they're going through emotional turmoil it manifests physically.
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Now listen, this is very important takeaway. If the if
the heresy of gnostic dualism, and I'm about to show
you how it applies to abortion. If the heresy of
gnostic dualism is true, you should not have physical manifestations
of emotional struggles because remember, the body is just a shell.
According to body self or gnostic dualism. Real persons are
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not bodies. They are souls, their thoughts, your consciousness, your desires,
untangible things. So the body, it just becomes a shell
that the real person lives inside. Which is why you can,
according to Jeff Bezos, remove the real person from the
just the shell of the body and upload the real
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person to the cloud. So do you see how that's weird.
That weird heresy animates some of the I guess a
lot of the progressive political project. Now what about transgender? Well,
if I've been clear enough in that communication, your your
listeners will will already see it. You may have been
born with a male body, but real persons are not bodies,
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which is why you may have a phallic and b
have male chromosomes. But Sally actually lives inside saving because
the real body, the real person, is not a body.
It's your thoughts, your aims, your consciousness, of your desires,
literally and desires. He tells me that I'm not set,
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I'm Sally, I'm a woman, So the body means nothing,
which is why men can now become women, or we
can upload real persons to the cloud. Now, listen, let's
take it back to abortion. How does this weird ancient
religious heresy called body self dualism or gnostic dualism animate
the abortion industrial complex? All right, If real persons are
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not bodies, but their thoughts, aims, consciousness, and desires, then
until the unborn child can evidence or prove a consciousness, desires,
and thoughts, then they might have a human body in
their mother's womb that is developing itself from within, but
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it's not a person yet, because real persons are thoughts, aims, consciousness,
and desires, and so they'll argue. You'll hear prochosers say
things like this, Let's see, well, the baby doesn't know
they're being aborted, right, what's it to the baby? Basically? Right, Like,
they don't have a desire for a right to life
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yet because they're so developmentally immature that they're not even
aware that they're existing, so they don't have self awareness.
And so then therefore, if they don't have self awareness,
they don't actually desire a right to life because they're
not even aware of that right that there's some of
the philosophers behind abortion. They're the more kooky philosophical class
you know at Princeton, Like your listeners probably don't encounter
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these arguments as much. But let me just use an example.
They'll say, if I don't violate your desires, Lindsey, then
I haven't violated your rights. It's kind of a weird argument.
We could think of some some examples that might prove
that premise false. But they're saying, if I don't have
any if you don't have any desires, and if I
don't violate your desires, I haven't violated your rights, which
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is why they can then say, because the baby doesn't
desire a right to life, then I haven't violated that
right because I haven't violated their desire for that right. Okay,
but but listen, Buddhists try to reach nirvana. Now, I
don't think this is possible, but let's say you could
reach nirvana. Do you guys know what nirvana is? Allegedly,
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it's eradicating all desires to reach a state in which
you don't desire anything. Lindsay, Now, again, I don't think
that's possible, but let's say it is. Okay, if a
Buddhist reaches nirvana and they have no desires, then they
also wouldn't have the desire for a right to life.
Seth oh, just like the unborn child. Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
If if nirvana is losing all desires, they would lose
the desire to reach nirvana. Like then, once they achieve nirvana,
they would just lose it because then if they desired
to keep it, that would be a desire that would
be not nirvana.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yes, well, you've identified a very popular creedive progressivism, which is,
they cut off the branch they're standing on. They violate
the law of non contradiction, which is which is a
fascinating repeated aspect of progressivism today. So anyway, so the
nirvana Buddhist, lindsay, would be in the same state as
the unborn child. They would not have a desire for
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a right to life. And hey, the argument goes, if
you don't violate someone's desires, you haven't violated their right.
So therefore, hey, leftists, hey, pro choiceter, Hey can we
slaughter Buddhists who reach Nirvana because therefore I wouldn't be
violating the right to life because they have no desire
for that right to life? Or what about people with
suicidal tendencies? Yeah, kind of been a problem in the
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last two and a half years thanks to Biden and
his administration and the deep state and the scientific establishments
that shut down the country. We have more yet, Lindsey,
you know this because you follow these things closely. But guys,
we have never seen this in American history before. Young
kids are killing themselves, like miners, like under eighteen, like
teenagers are killing themselves around America right now. This has
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not happened before in American history. This does not happen.
You have to be at an extremely depressed Something has
to be wrong in the politics and the culture and
the social fabric for teenagers to start killing themselves or
sometimes eleven and twelve year olds. So listen. If you
have suicidal tendencies, you also don't desire to go on,
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So can we murder those people? Pro choice? Anyway? So
do you see? It's the same weird koky religious heresy
that says that real persons are intangible things, and then
I'll prove the whole thing wrong in just one argument here,
it would mean that therapists who try to cure multiple
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personality disorder would be guilty of mass homicide. So listen
to this, guys. Listeners of the Lindsay's Awesome podcasts. Here,
for multiple personality disorder, each personality would have different thoughts, aims,
and desires, which means that they would each be a
different person according to the Kooki heresy of body self dualism,
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which means we need Democrats to pass legislation to ban
therapists from trying to help people with multiple personality disorder
because if they cure multiple personality disorder and get the
person back to acknowledging that they just have one personality.
They'd be murdering those other persons that are a part
of their personality. I mean, like, none of this makes sense. Yes,
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wake up. Progressivism is not progressive. It's it's regressive, and
I just proved it to you. It's regressing back to
an ancient anthropological, weird, kooky religious philosophical view of the
person that goes back hundreds of years that says, well,
if you really think about it, lindsay, Uh, really, my
body is just kind of like a It's kind of
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like a shell of a crab, and I'm just kind
of like I'm kind of like a crab, and the
real person is just inside a shell. And so I
can just liberate myself from the bodily constraints of human nature.
Which is why now, lindsay, I've started saying that I
I this is listened this bear with me. I got
to speak my truth. I have discovered that I am transvaccinated, lindsay,
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I have discovered the way to liberate my vaccine nation
status from the bodily constraints of my bodily prison. And
last year I announced that Seth found the way to
become Sally because Fauci and Francis Collins and the liberal
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establishment taught me that the body provides no rational basis
for who the real person is in the real world.
So I was able to liberate Sally from the biological
prison of the phallic male prison of Seth. And I've
changed my pronouns on my driver's license to she her.
And so therefore, according to the law of body self dualism,
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because the body and biological realities provide no rational basis
for who the real person is in the real world,
I have discovered the way, and I got a say, Lindsay.
I always felt like I was born in a vaccinated body,
and the transvaxphobes that are denying my reality and my
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truth and my lived experience as a vaccinated person have
sometimes caused me to contemplate suicide. I mean, it's better
to have in a live vaccinated person than a dead
unvaccinated daughter. And so I was able to imprint my
vaccination preferences onto the bodily prison of my un jabbed
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self because the real biological person isn't the person, and
so I may not have the spike protein because I
never received the fauci auci, but I have decided to
come out is transvaccinating? Now listen, Lizzy. If that doesn't
make any sense, right, then guess what neither does? Transgenderism? No,
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And if transgenderism doesn't make sense, then guess what neither
it does? Transhumanism? And if those three things don't make sense,
then guess what neither does being pro choice? Because the
common thread amongst all four of those things is the
belief that the real body, the real person, is not
a body. The body's just the shell. So you can
redefine and identify yourself for eternity because the real person
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is who you see yourself to be inside. Oh does
that sound like the science, lindsay? Or does that sound
like a kooky, weird religious heresy and anthropological philosophical view
of the person that the Democrats and the liberal establishment
are masquerading as the science in order to confuse the
public and smack their political opponents over the head as
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being anti scienced? Do I need to did I? Did
I say? Enough? There?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Choose I choose the cookie?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
One? Ye? Yep, yep, that's right?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
All right, awesome. I know you've got personal stuff going,
I've want to ask you one more question because I
think this is really important and this is a subject
that everybody thinks that they've got the answer slash opinion on.
So and you touched a little bit about this at
Freedom Night, but I do want to hear the back,
you know, I want to hear the details of it.
What do you say for the argument? You know, quote,
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what if the mother's life is at risk?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah? Yeah, of course. So it's funny, this is something
that your listeners need understand that the left always does,
is they they reduce their entire political project down to
the super minority, and then they say, because of the
super minority, you have to support our status quo. And
(35:24):
it's like, no, that has nothing to do with what
you're pushing. So so let's say, let's just grant the
abortion was needed to save the life of the mother,
and I'm about to I'm about to prove to you
why it's not. But let's say it was. Then then
why are you using that argument to justify the status
quo that you're pushing on abortion? Because if you if
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you believe abortion needs to be legal because of the
life of the mother cases, then hey, if I give
you those, will you join me in fighting to end
the ninety nine point five percent of all other abortions
that are not performed because rape or life of the mother.
And they always say no, so to which I say,
then why are you hiding behind rape victims or or
or terminally ill pregnant women in order to disguise your
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true intentions, which is abortion on apology, abortion on demand
and without apology? Right, And so even if you're granted
to them, they're they're still going to push it for
any reason or no reason at all. So it's incredibly cynical.
But yeah, abortion is never necessary to save the life
of the mother. Newsflash. And and lindsay, I meet I
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meet pro lifers sometimes and Christians and would be conservatives
who tell me that I'm lying. I've been I've been
called a liar by people who say their pro life
and Christians when I've said this, And so let me
just prove it to you. Firstly, you can go to
the Dublin Declaration. It's either dot com or dot org.
The Dublin Declaration signed by over a thousand h obgy
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n's nurses, uh neo natologists, nurse practitioners who all are
agreeing with one statement. Abortion is never necessary to save
the life of the mother. And so let's say a
woman is in that rare circumstance in America. And I'm
not saying it never happens where a woman's life is
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threatened by her pregnancy. It does. It's very rare, but
it happens. So let's say a woman's life is on
the line, lindsay because of her pregnancy. Okay, is abortion
the only way to end pregnancy? Because if it's the
pregnancy that's endangering her life, right, then not being pregnant
would solve the problem. Correct. Let's be speaking very simply here.
(37:35):
So is abortion the only way to end pregnancy? No,
the other way would be this fascinating thing called childbirth.
So you either induced early labor with potocin or you
perform a cessarean section see section right. And guess what
for the fall of the science leftist degenerates who insists
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that science is the god today and how she is
the high priest. That's actually safer for mom. It is
actually safer for mom in a high risk pregnancy already
to have the child delivered than to chop up, disembowel,
and dismember the child in the womb. The abortion is
more dangerous for the mom who's already in a dangerous
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situation than childbirth would be. Now what I've just done
is I'm just I'm starting to debunk one of the
most common arguments you'll hear from the left, and they
will They've been saying this for decades, lindsay. They'll say,
the amount of the amount of statistical gymnastics you have
to do to make this claim is fascinating. And so
(38:38):
you guys can go subscribe in my podcast Unaborted with
Seth Gruber to hear us the bunk, somebody things it
is fascinating amount of political gymnastics you have to do
to say this. But they will literally say that abortion
is safer than childbirth for the mom. They've been saying
this for decades. They'll also say that the abortion pill
(38:59):
is safe for and thailanol. They'll say that our U
forty six the abortion pill is safer than thailand. Al So,
Seal Richards, the former president of Planned Parent, had said
that in the Los Angeles Times opinion editorial in twenty nineteen,
and so obviously this is this is not true. You
should you should be able to see how that's not true,
just from like a gut level, like like you're a
person with like thoughts and like you're like you can
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come to conclusions without even looking at the research which
I have. You should be able to know that's false
because listen, what does an abortion entail. Well, if the
pregnancy is threatening the life of the mother, lindsay, that
baby's usually more developed. Right, If the pregnancy is could
take mom's life, it's usually not at eight weeks, it's
usually it's usually at twenty plus twenty plus week. Okay,
(39:44):
So that means what kind of abortion are we talking about? Right? Right?
We're talking about a d and E, a dilation and evacuation.
And so this uses laminarrea to to expand the cervix
and then and then you're using fourceps and you're tearing
and you're ripping, and when the white when the white
(40:06):
fluid begins to flow, lindsay, you'll know that that was
the baby's brains. So a d and E is a
very intense, violent procedure, and guess what, it's one of
the most dangerous procedures for mom. You should be able
to just know that from a gut level, like you're
sticking fourceeps up a woman's vaginal canal, usually without an ultrasound,
so you're doing it blind, trying very carefully not to
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rip through the uterine wall, which is like wet tissue basically,
and she can hemorrhage if you rip through there with
with fourceeps that have sharp teeth on the end, I mean,
and then you're you're you're puncturing the amniotic sack, and
then you're ripping off the limbs of the child. Like
I'm sorry. You don't have to be pro choice for
a life. You should be able to know that that
is that is more dangerous for mom than if she
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just gives birth to the child. Okay, So even if
you're a pro choicer, even if you're for for abortion,
you should you should support rather than abortion when mom's
life is in danger. And yet Lindsey, they don't they don't.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Know, and the people making these arguments also don't understand
that a woman at that point has felt her baby kick,
has felt her baby move, has felt the butterflies, The
mother herself knows there is a child in there, and
if she were given the choice, you could die if
you don't deliver or we evacuate this baby more times,
(41:29):
I would hope than not. The mother herself has said,
let's try to deliver. But it's the people making these
arguments that have never even been in the situation making
these arguments on behalf of all women, which is mostly
what's infuriating to me and Seth. I want to clarify
what you're saying is, let's say a doctor at twenty
three weeks says, if we don't, if you're not unpregnant,
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you could die. Nature would take its course, and at
twenty time three weeks if you delivered a baby, the
baby probably would not survive.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
I'm correct, they may, but they may, Lindsay, so may.
That is still that is still a very yes. So
you're right, You're right, that is a very high risk
stage of development and age for the child. So so
you're you're pretty much right on the money out. I
just want your listeners to know, you know, you know
what you're talking about, that that it would be a
hard it would be a hard next few weeks for
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that child to make it alive. But the youngest baby
ever born and survived, ready for this, Lindsay, and survived
and it's now. I think the baby just turned two
was born at twenty one weeks and one day.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
See, I didn't know know that.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
So so viability, Lindsay, the term viability, I just want
to be very clear so your listeners can become prolet Ninjas.
Viability is a word that is it's a pile of crap.
The viability is not a gauge of the status of
the child. It's a gauge of our current medical technology.
(43:08):
So let me prove it to you. A few decades ago,
viability was defined by the courts and the medical community
as twenty six weeks, and now we have babies surviving
at twenty one, twenty three, and twenty four weeks, right,
because we're getting better at saving children at earlier stages.
So as medical technology increases, more children are saved at
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earlier stages. So viability is a very very, very stupid concept.
But it was used by the courts, Lindsay in Roe v.
Wade to determine what kind of laws states could pass
or not to protect the unborn child. Because listen what
in Roe v. Wade and its companion case do versus
Bolton say in nineteen seventy three, it's said that could
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could ban abortion after feed viability, but not before. That's
what the court said, So why right would you expect
them to give an argument Like if you're saying that
that viability is this magical marker at which children can
be protected after but not before, then I need an argument.
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I need a philosophical argument as to why the line
of viability is so value giving in the first place.
Why is that child worthy of protection at the state
level through laws after feel the viability but not before?
They never told us, lindsay, right, So, I think it
was an attempt to get moderates on board with supporting abortion,
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because the moderates who didn't want abortion through point of
birth but they were okay with abortion at the first trimester,
would have still that semi functioning moral compass that would say, ooh,
third trimester or abortions late second trima ooh, and they
wouldn't have supported such a blatant attempt by the abortion
industry to legalize that through point of birth. But again,
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they never told us why viability was significant in the
first place. Here's another example why viability is so stupid, lindsay,
if a mom at twenty four weeks pregnant, or a
baby twenty four weeks along, jumps on a plane and
leaves Reagan Airport. Her child would be viable. But then
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let's say she flies to a remote village in Africa
after she leaves American airspace, her child would not be
viable because in Africa, her child would not be able
to survive at twenty four weeks if that child was born,
because it would not have Actually, that baby would not
access to the kind of medical technology to save that baby.
But if you were in DC or New York City,
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that baby would likely be able to be saved. So
is our personhood and right to life dependent on our geography?
You see the kind of weird, weird conclusions that happen
if you grant the prevacies of progressivism, and.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
So viability is fluid, just like their gender, Just like everything.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Else, We're able to save babies, lindsay, at such early stages.
So let's just put the cap on your question, because
I don't think I fully ended it with a full answer.
So here you go. If you deliver that baby early
because you have to to save mom's life, there's a
good chance you can save both mother and child because
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of how advanced our medical technology is. And so let's
say Mom is in a very dangerous situation at twenty
one weeks. If the doctors think that they can put
her on bed rest and that she won't die, right,
if they think they can stabilize her and she'll be fine,
but she needs to be on bed rest. She can't
be going around Cleveland the house are going to work,
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but she can be put on bed rest and taking
care of the hospital for a few more weeks. Then
you just let the child develop. To the extent that
we know, we can save that PREMI and the pregnancy
through childbirth and save both mother and so we can
all today we can almost always save both mother and child. Now, listen,
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I have friends who are former abortionists, Lindsey, I have
friends who are obg i ns. Yes, they have told
me about the circumstances during their career when they had
to not perform an abortion to save mom's life. They
had to deliver the child to save Mom's life, and
the child didn't make it. But what you've done is
you've given the child their best chance. Yes, and you
haven't intentionally killed them, yes, which is what abortion does.
(47:31):
So there's your answer.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Gosh, so powerful, Seth. I could not argue with you
all day about pro life. I'm so you're so powerful.
I am so thankful that you came on today. Thank
you so much. I didn't get a chance to send
you my my typical email because you committed to this
so last minute, which I appreciate. But at the end
of every episode, we cheers and you get to decide
(47:54):
what we're cheersing to. So can you whip something up
real quick?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, here's cheers to Jill Biden, Joe Biden's degenerate wife
who would rather recruit political power than get her husband
the help that he needs.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Oh gosh, wow, cheers. I did not see that coming.
That was I thought it was going to be about babies.
That was even the more entertaining that could have could
have anticipated.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Seth.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Where could people find you?
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Seth Gruber Official on Instagram, Seth dot Gruber on TikTok, which, strangely,
my tiktoks went from twenty thirty forty fifty sixty seventy
eighty ninety one hundred, one hundred fifty thousand views to
eight hundred for each TikTok out of nowhere. So that's fascinating.
Just went from wonder what we went from averaging fifty
thousand to occasionally two hundred thousand to eight hundred and
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five hundred for my last ten. Just fascinating how that happened.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Interesting technology, you.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Know, yep, yep, Seth dot Gruber at TikTok. We're on
rumble because my YouTube will get slashed one day. YouTube
is Seth Gruber, a voice for the unborn. The podcast
is unaboarded with Seth Gruber because we're all on a
boarded on all your major audio podcast platforms. We do
two episodes a week, and you can connect with my
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resistance to end the abortion holocaust in America before it's
too late. Our website is the White Rose dot Life,
not dot com, the White Rose dot life, and our
Instagram account is the same, the White Rose Dot Life.
And if you want to become an ally of the
White Rose Resistance and help me become the Charlie Kirk
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keep supporting Lindsay and what she's doing being a watchman
and what the scripture is called a son or daughter
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understood the times that they lived in and knew what
Israel ought to do. And we need people who understand
these times and these ideas to awaken the good people
to stop this agenda.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Oh my gosh, love it. Thank you so much, Seth.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Thanks Lindzie, keep up the good work.
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
Play it awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, you know, I know that you're the professional. I
know some of the little quips and quirks that you
made at Freedom Night about literally being born into the
pro life movement. But I you know, I don't know
how you got your start in this movement and how
it all came into fruition. So if you would start
from there, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, yeah, Lindsay, I was, I was, I was conceived,
I guess in the pro life movement. I say, I've
been a pro life activist since that was a fetus.
And my mother was the executive director of a pregnancy
resource center, one of those wonderful pregnancy care clinics pregnancy
resource centers in the late nineteen eighties. So between the
(01:57):
mid to late nineteen eighties and today, Lindsay, pregnancy resource
centers I believe have increased by over seventy percent, and
so there were not nearly nearly as many prcs pregnancy
resource centers in the mid to late nineteen eighties as
there are today. And so my mother was one of
the executive directors of one of those early centers in
(02:18):
Los Angeles County of all places, in Azusa near Azusa
Pacific University actually, which is an allegedly Christian university. That
none of your listeners should ever send their kids to
conversation for another time, and so that was called Living Alternatives.
And then I was the first born, and so when
I was born, she stepped down from directing that pregnancy
(02:41):
center and then homeschooled me and my sisters. But I've
been told by the religion of Anthony Fauci and transgenderism
and leftism, lindsay, I've been reliably informed that it's just
her body and her choice, that there's just one body involved,
which then means a couple of things. It means that
my mother had male genitalia for some for quite a
(03:04):
few months while being pregnant. Because according to the law
of transitive property, if A equals B and B equal C,
then A equals C. And so if I was part
of my mother's body, uh, then the parts of my
body were part of my mother's body, which now means
women have penises, which I guess actually works in the
religious transgenderism, where a woman can be trapped inside a
(03:25):
man's body. So it's fascinating. Now interestingly, I was a
man trapped in a woman's body, but then I was born, see,
and so you know, welcome to science, science, these stupid roots.
It's like, it's like, oh, well, I think when you
say science, I think you mean a kooky, weird, spiritual, anthropological,
philosophical view of the person that you're masquerading. Is just
(03:48):
follow the science. And we can get into a lot
of those arguments in a second with you, Lindsay. And
so yeah, according to that science, I was a pro
life activist since I was a fenus because my mother
was a pro activist saving babies marked for murder, and
so because I was part of her body, it was
me saving those babies because there was just one body,
my mother's body. So just fascinating things I learned as
(04:11):
I've been following the science in the last two and
a half years. And then I grew up every year
doing the March, doing the Walk for Life for our
local pregnancy resource center. I was a little kid calling
people on the phone asking them to sponsor me to
walk to raise funds for the local pregnancy Resource center.
I was often one of the top childhood fundraisers for
the walk. Now I was a little bit more incentivized, lindsay,
(04:32):
by the free biker Disneyland tickets you would get if
you were the top fundraiser. But from an early age,
I had an understanding that abortion was evil and wicked.
But you can't really know how evil until you have
to look at what choice looks like, Lindsay. Until you've
looked at what pro choice looks like, and you've looked
at the mutilated bodies and body parts of children on
(04:54):
a medical waste table after they've been disemboweled and dismembered,
you do not know what abortion entails. I always say this, Lindsay,
it's easy to be pro choice when you never had
to look at what that choice looks like. Now, listen,
as you can sense, Lindsay, you know I don't pull
any punches, but you know I want to be very clear. Listen,
I'm not here to shame or condemn anyone. I'm not
(05:15):
here to tell you that if you've got an abortion,
you're wicked. You're doomed and you're going to hell. No,
Jesus is just as eager to forgive the sin of
abortion as any other sin. And if anyone needs evidence
of this, Lindsay, by the way, the story of King David. Right,
if you're a Christian and you believe that God knits
life together in the womb, and that's why we have
value because we bear his image. Well, King David's in
(05:37):
the Hall of Faith. Right, King David was called a
man after God's own heart. You know his other title though, Lindsey, No,
keeping peeping Tom. Yeah, peeping Tom. Oh, there's Bathsheba taking
a shower. And then you know, while he's sending his
army to fight his own battles, David sleeps with her,
impregnates her, and murders her husband. So David, listen, Lindsey,
(06:00):
David and your listeners, I hope this blesses them because
I don't want anyone living in shame and conturbation when
God wants to bring you into healing. David arranges the
death of an innocent human being to hide and cover
up his sexual sin. And listen, if you're listening to this,
maybe you arrange the death of an innocent human being
to hide and cover up your sexual sin, so no
one knew that you had gotten pregnant. But listen, if
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there's grace for King David, there's grace for you. And
if you go through the figures in the Hall of
Faith and Hebrews and the New Testament, boy, some of
those people, that's some wicked things. So I don't want
anyone to feel like I'm, you know, throwing them out
into utter darkness. Are not all sin is equal, but
all sin puts us in a level playing field before
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the cross and means that we're all in need of forgiveness.
But I will speak very clearly about this horror, Lindsay,
because I will have nothing to do with the linguistic
leftist bigotry that describes the genocide of babies as just healthcare.
And I think it's very important that we use accurate
terms to refer or two reality. The left has been
(07:01):
in a long tradition of redefining everything. Is you noticed, Lindsey,
redefining everything, even the word definition, so that you can't
critique them for redefining words. Oh no, that's not the definition,
the definition of definition. And so we need to not
have anything to do with that and speak very clearly
because language really matters. And so yes, I as a
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senior in high school, I did my senior project on
abortion because I was convicted that I didn't have good
answers to my pro choice friends, Lindsey, and so in
order to graduate, everyone had to do a research paper,
a public speech at the end of the year, and
volunteer hours associated with your topic selection. I picked abortion.
I volunteered at pro life organization at eighteen years old
the Christmas break of two thousand and nine, going into
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my last semester at what are your High School in
southern California in Los Angeles County, And the first thing
I did at this pro life organization was I scanned
three hundred images of first trimester mutilated babies. Now, Lindsey, this,
I'm talking seven, eight, nine and ten weeks old. That's
when the majority of abortions happened, Lindsay, the majority of
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abortions happen right there between about six and ten weeks.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And that week is where they best manipulate women into
believing it's not a baby yet, it's just a little
clump of cells in those weeks, and we know that
that's not true.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yep, that's right. Ken On of abortions, over ninety percent
of abortions are performed in the first trimester, lindsay, the
first trimester, and there's the most public support for abortion
in the first trimester because most of the American public
has been manipulated and propaganda is into believing that in
the first trimester, it's just not really a person yet,
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it's kind of just a tissue mass. Well, guys, I
not only did I see and continue to see and
have photos on my phone. I can show you if
you want to see it on the program of babies
mutilated at six seven, eight, nine weeks, but I actually
have and read the documentation signed by the quote unquote
doctor who confirmed the gestational age of those children when
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they were murdered. Now, I know, that's a weird conversation
to get into. Some people are like, how could pro
lifers do that? Like, how could they pay someone to
get those images? Well, listen, how else are we supposed
to get it? You know? Like, yes, there were probably
sidewalk counselors outside that day of that abortion center trying
to save that baby, But how else are we supposed
to get pictures? Of the victims, to prick the conscience
of the culture and awaken them to action, and to
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show the victims of choice. Yeah yeah, some pro life
organizations paid to get those photos. And so not only
have I seen these photos, Lindsay, I've seen the signatures
of the photographer and the doctor confirming the age that
they are those children actually are. Because when we show
these on university campus is Lindsay, people say that's fake.
It's like the typical George orwell Antonio Graham. She Sawlolensky
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strategy of just the denial of reality and the suppression
of their political opponents. And that's fake. Those are doctored
images that you photosh. No, that's what a baby looks
like when you murder them at eight weeks old. And
so that was a real turning point of my life.
And I'm speaking too long that I went up to
Christian College in Santa Barbara. I started the first pro
life club at Westmont College, and I held dead baby
photo signs on campus because I learned that my alma mater,
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my Christian College, hired pro abortion professors. And I could
give you some of their names today they still speak.
They're Chris and Sherry Heckley, Deborah Dunn, Mary doctor Omitia
O Chang, pro abortion professors who signed a statement of
faith to teach it at Christian College at Santa Barbara,
who believed that women should be able to slaughter their
children through point of birth. Because that's I don't know,
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but that's progressivism or speaking truth to power some crap.
And then I learned that my alma mater doesn't take
a position on abortion. Now they have a position on
marriage and God's view of a sexual ethic, but no
position on what to do with children that their students
might create when they violate the sexual ethic that they
have a very clear stance on. Suddenly, I guess those
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image bearers are not valuable enough to warrant political protection.
So listen, guys, you need to hear me very clearly.
If you're a Christian who's pro choice, or you attend
a university that alleges to be Christian and their pro
choice or their professors are those people need to be
fired immediately and treated as heretics. And here's why. If
you're a Christian who's pro choice, you must say if
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you are consistent, Lindsey, you must say that Mary had
the right to murder your savior. Yep, that Mother Mary
had the right to murder your savior. If you're consistent,
that is what you must say, because it would mean
Mary's body, Mary's choice, which means that Christ was at
some point fully God but not fully human, therefore committing
a christological heresy. So that's my background. And then I
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started speaking full time. I raised the support to do
it in twenty fourteen, and then I started my own
organization this year, the White Rose Resistance, to implement my
strategical vision in this post Roe versus Wag moment, to
prick the collective conscience of the culture by being a
stick in the eye of flying the ointment and a
pain in the ass to the abortion industrial complex, the
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liberal establishment and the spirit of the age and their
obsession with slaughtering babies, and more importantly, to awaken the
church to action in this late hour of the American
culture war. I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So you're speaking full time? Are you speaking mostly at churches,
at pro life organizations or rallies.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah? So I keynote Pregnancy Resource Center banquets, and then
we do university tours. So this year we did Stanford,
UC Berkeley, It was fun. Charlie was there the day
before me, and then I was there the day after
at Berkeley and then University of Cincinnati, and we did
a couple others and we'll do a new one in
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twenty twenty three as well. But I'm in the middle
of a nationwide church tour sponsored and promoted by TPUSA
Faith and Charlie and his team called the White Rose
Resistance National Life Tour, and we're headed to headed north
of Portland next and then we're going to Saint Louis
and then we're going to Calviy Chapel, you know Hills
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one of my earthly heroes, Pastor Jekibbs on.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
The no That is awesome. Yeah, I just saw on
your Instagram your little national tour. I got really excited
for you.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I can see you being I can see you being
on some kind of panel with Charlie Kirk at some point,
going to colleges and just shaking everything up.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yep, that's right. And because we need to understand much
of the reason we're in this position has been because
the Left has been more committed to advancing their religion
in the public square than the people of God. Have
been to promoting righteousness in the public square. And the
way that the left kind of resorts to their long
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walk through the institutions has been the colleges in America. Right,
these are leftists and doctrination think tanks. And so, to
quote Dennis Praeger, you know you shouldn't be playing Russian
roulette with your kids' values. Or to quote Vote Bacham,
if you send your children to Caesar, don't com plane
when they come back as Romans. And that's what's been
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happening for decades now. And so yes, the educational battle
is important, the political battles important, and everything's local now.
And so if if you want to actually make a
change in this country for the lives of the unborn
and for liberty, start where you are, Start locally, where
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you are with your influence, school boards, taking ground wherever
you can. Because boys, this cultural battle really heating up,
and I think people are waking up and realizing, oh,
maybe this was always a spiritual battle that masqueraded as
just the science and just the politics to keep their
political opponents silent. And there is a very kooky religious
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aspect to leftism, and we should treat it as an
alternative religion, and I'm happy to impact that with you
as we continue our conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh heck, yah, unpack that because I've heard I heard
a lot of your pro life stuff at Freedom Night,
you know, and I know what you believe in the
goal for me is to get everything you said kind
of out there for my viewers who and and listeners
who you know don't live in Arizona, because this is
a global podcast. But yeah, I mean it's important that
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we that we touch on the idea that the left
believes what they believe, and it's we call them the left,
which is a political term, but this is a spiritual fight.
And so yeah, I mean I want to hear I
definitely want to hear your opinion on everything.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, it's you know, man is fundamentally a religious being, Lindsay,
And I'm using man in the in the sense of mankind.
You know, we can't help but be religious. And you know,
the Bible says that eternity is written on the heart
of man, right, which means that we come from God.
We've been made by God, and so our hearts and
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our bodies can't help but function in a religious manner
because we were created to be a religious being. We
were created to worship, Lindsey, Man and woman was created
to worship. Now, you know, theologians will say, you know,
the heart is an idol factory. Well said, because if
you're not directing those devotions and love towards your creator,
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you'll just devote it and direct it to somewhere else.
And so we have many gods today in America, the
God of self, the God of sex, the God of family.
You can you can create a god out of good things. Right.
It's been said that that idolatry is not necessarily always
the love of an evil thing, but the inordinate love
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of a good thing. Right, it's getting the order of
your loves wrong. And so idolatry doesn't necessarily mean like
you're bowing to like a golden cat. It could just
be that your your your worshiping your family, your wife,
your children in a way that's out of order that
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you are not created to. So anyways, man is fundamentally
religious being. And so the left, Lindsay, craves the same
thing we crave as Christians, which is what something to
worship and yes, and to defeat death, to defeat death.
First Corinthians fifteen twenty six. Lindsay says, the last enemy
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to be destroyed is death. And so that's written on
our hearts. We want to live forever. No one wants
to die. It's the great fear, right, It's what motivates
these these billionaires like Soros and Jeff Bezos right to
Bezos right now is obsessed with this idea of transhumanism,
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right to attaching making us superhumans right through robotic enhancements.
Even even Elon Musk, who's you know, more based, conservatively
certain than the other leftist billionaires, but he's no Christian.
He's also really fascinated with this idea of like uploading
our consciousness to the cloud. Right, there's all these push
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there's all these pushes from the billionaire class or what
is Bernie Sanders, the millionaires and millionaires uh to try
to live forever? Right that if that, if we can,
if we can strip the consciousness and attach it to
the cloud and create this sort of robotic you know,
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electronic enhancement of the human person, we can defeat death.
We can live forever. But listen, this will fascinate your listeners,
I think because most people don't dive quite as deep
as I do into into the the culture wars, because
there are there are there are worldviews carry worlds, worldviews
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carry worlds within them, and we we all function off
of ideas that inform the decisions that we make. The problem, historically, Lindsay,
has been that most people can't identify or explain to
you sort of the philosophical premises or religious creeds that
they're operating off of. They just assume them. A. C. S.
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Lewis would famously say, the most dangerous ideas in a
society are not the ones being argued for, They're the
ones being assumed. Now why because assumed ideas, especially when undetected,
can destroy a nation. Because if you're assuming ideas, then
you're not aware that you're operating off of a worldview,
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off of philosophical presuppositions. That's very dangerous because you may
be absorbing a very dangerous false philosophy or false anthropology
of the human person that is animating your social, cultural,
and political decisions. And so the same worldview listen, listen,
the same worldview that abortion that drives transgenderism, and it
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drives transhumanism, or this hope that we can kind of
download our consciousness of the cloud and thereby live forever,
or find new bodies when our consciousness is one hundred
years old and it's in the cloud, and download the
same consciousness into a new body. Listen, I know this
stuff sounds coooky. It's like a sci fi novel. Lindsay.
There are billionaires right now trying to look at whether
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this can actually happen. Now, I'll tell you right now, podcast,
right now, this first time I've said this pubsibly, but
I'll say this on your podcast right now. That is
impossible and it will never happen. Take it to the bank.
Come hit me up in fifty years when all of
you guys have found out that I was right. Because
it's a false anthropology. People are both bodies and souls.
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We're not just bodies, I'm sorry. We're not just souls
that live in the shell of the body. So you
can't just pull out the consciousness like that's the person,
but the body's not. It's just a shell, and then
shove the real person, who's a consciousness into another body.
It's impossible because that's not what people are. We are
both bodies and souls. Okay, So to connect all these ideas,
so I'm going sixty thousand feet with you and your listeners, lindsay,
(21:07):
and then we're going to go down ten thousand feet
and address some of the some of the more finer
arguments that pro choicers make. But we need to go
up sixty thousand feet. Is Francis Schaeffer, the famous theologian
and worldview thinker, would say Christians have for too long
dealt in bits and pieces. They've dealt in bits and
pieces with ideas rather than going up sixty thousand feet
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and seeing the worldview playing field, and how these ideas
intersect and animate the various cultural movements that we see today.
And so how what is what is these things have
in common? Well, it's an old religious heresy. Actually the
Church deemed this the heresy centuries ago. It's it's called
body self dualism or gnostic dualism. Now, I know that
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sounds sort of confusing. It's actually quite simple. So body
self dualism. Okay, So there's a duality between body and
the self. Body self dualism. So, lindsay, if there's a
duality between the body and the self, it means that
real persons are not bodies. There's a difference between the self.
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Who's the self, the real person. There's a difference between
this the real person and the body. The Church deemed
this a heresy centuries ago because we understand we are
both body and soul. What let me What are some examples,
especially for Christians. The Psalms in the scriptures talk a
lot about how there's a verse in the Psalms that says,
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when when I didn't repent, my bones wasted away inside me. Now, interesting,
what did that? What did that Psalm? In the scriptures
just say, lindsay when I didn't repent. So and that's
an untangible philosophical thing, right, because repentance doesn't just mean
you kneel on your knees. You actually, inwardly, your soul
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has to feel about sin and say Lord, I'm sorry,
save me a sinner. So repentance is an untangible thing.
We can't see repentance. Repentance happens in your heart. Okay,
So when I didn't repent a non bodily thing, my
bones body wasted away inside me. What's the scriptures connecting that?
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We're both body and soul so much so that when
you don't repent of your sin in that you're feeling
in your soul, it affected your physical nature. Oh, so
it's connecting both of those things. When Jesus rises again,
he doesn't rise as a spirit. He rises with a body,
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and he still has the holes in his hands to
remind us that we are both body and soul. Those
are some examples even for the secularist though, Lindsay, who's
not a Christian, even they, if they're honest, can acknowledge
that when they're going through emotional turmoil it manifests physically.
(24:01):
Now listen, this is very important takeaway. If the if
the heresy of gnostic dualism, and I'm about to show
you how it applies to abortion. If the heresy of
gnostic dualism is true, you should not have physical manifestations
of emotional struggles because remember, the body is just a shell.
According to body self or gnostic dualism. Real persons are
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not bodies. They are souls, their thoughts, your consciousness, your desires,
untangible things. So the body, it just becomes a shell
that the real person lives inside. Which is why you can,
according to Jeff Bezos, remove the real person from the
just the shell of the body and upload the real
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person to the cloud. So do you see how that's weird.
That weird heresy animates some of the I guess a
lot of the progressive political project. Now what about transgender? Well,
if I've been clear enough in that communication, your your
listeners will will already see it. You may have been
born with a male body, but real persons are not bodies,
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which is why you may have a phallic and b
have male chromosomes. But Sally actually lives inside saving because
the real body, the real person, is not a body.
It's your thoughts, your aims, your consciousness, of your desires,
literally and desires. He tells me that I'm not set,
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I'm Sally, I'm a woman, So the body means nothing,
which is why men can now become women, or we
can upload real persons to the cloud. Now, listen, let's
take it back to abortion. How does this weird ancient
religious heresy called body self dualism or gnostic dualism animate
the abortion industrial complex? All right, If real persons are
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not bodies, but their thoughts, aims, consciousness, and desires, then
until the unborn child can evidence or prove a consciousness, desires,
and thoughts, then they might have a human body in
their mother's womb that is developing itself from within, but
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it's not a person yet, because real persons are thoughts, aims, consciousness,
and desires, and so they'll argue. You'll hear prochosers say
things like this, Let's see, well, the baby doesn't know
they're being aborted, right, what's it to the baby? Basically? Right, Like,
they don't have a desire for a right to life
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yet because they're so developmentally immature that they're not even
aware that they're existing, so they don't have self awareness.
And so then therefore, if they don't have self awareness,
they don't actually desire a right to life because they're
not even aware of that right that there's some of
the philosophers behind abortion. They're the more kooky philosophical class
you know at Princeton, Like your listeners probably don't encounter
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these arguments as much. But let me just use an example.
They'll say, if I don't violate your desires, Lindsey, then
I haven't violated your rights. It's kind of a weird argument.
We could think of some some examples that might prove
that premise false. But they're saying, if I don't have
any if you don't have any desires, and if I
don't violate your desires, I haven't violated your rights, which
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is why they can then say, because the baby doesn't
desire a right to life, then I haven't violated that
right because I haven't violated their desire for that right. Okay,
but but listen, Buddhists try to reach nirvana. Now, I
don't think this is possible, but let's say you could
reach nirvana. Do you guys know what nirvana is? Allegedly,
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it's eradicating all desires to reach a state in which
you don't desire anything. Lindsay, Now, again, I don't think
that's possible, but let's say it is. Okay, if a
Buddhist reaches nirvana and they have no desires, then they
also wouldn't have the desire for a right to life.
Seth oh, just like the unborn child. Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
If if nirvana is losing all desires, they would lose
the desire to reach nirvana. Like then, once they achieve nirvana,
they would just lose it because then if they desired
to keep it, that would be a desire that would
be not nirvana.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yes, well, you've identified a very popular creedive progressivism, which is,
they cut off the branch they're standing on. They violate
the law of non contradiction, which is which is a
fascinating repeated aspect of progressivism today. So anyway, so the
nirvana Buddhist, lindsay, would be in the same state as
the unborn child. They would not have a desire for
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a right to life. And hey, the argument goes, if
you don't violate someone's desires, you haven't violated their right.
So therefore, hey, leftists, hey, pro choiceter, Hey can we
slaughter Buddhists who reach Nirvana because therefore I wouldn't be
violating the right to life because they have no desire
for that right to life? Or what about people with
suicidal tendencies? Yeah, kind of been a problem in the
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last two and a half years thanks to Biden and
his administration and the deep state and the scientific establishments
that shut down the country. We have more yet, Lindsey,
you know this because you follow these things closely. But guys,
we have never seen this in American history before. Young
kids are killing themselves, like miners, like under eighteen, like
teenagers are killing themselves around America right now. This has
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not happened before in American history. This does not happen.
You have to be at an extremely depressed Something has
to be wrong in the politics and the culture and
the social fabric for teenagers to start killing themselves or
sometimes eleven and twelve year olds. So listen. If you
have suicidal tendencies, you also don't desire to go on,
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So can we murder those people? Pro choice? Anyway? So
do you see? It's the same weird koky religious heresy
that says that real persons are intangible things, and then
I'll prove the whole thing wrong in just one argument here,
it would mean that therapists who try to cure multiple
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personality disorder would be guilty of mass homicide. So listen
to this, guys. Listeners of the Lindsay's Awesome podcasts. Here,
for multiple personality disorder, each personality would have different thoughts, aims,
and desires, which means that they would each be a
different person according to the Kooki heresy of body self dualism,
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which means we need Democrats to pass legislation to ban
therapists from trying to help people with multiple personality disorder
because if they cure multiple personality disorder and get the
person back to acknowledging that they just have one personality.
They'd be murdering those other persons that are a part
of their personality. I mean, like, none of this makes sense. Yes,
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wake up. Progressivism is not progressive. It's it's regressive, and
I just proved it to you. It's regressing back to
an ancient anthropological, weird, kooky religious philosophical view of the
person that goes back hundreds of years that says, well,
if you really think about it, lindsay, Uh, really, my
body is just kind of like a It's kind of
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like a shell of a crab, and I'm just kind
of like I'm kind of like a crab, and the
real person is just inside a shell. And so I
can just liberate myself from the bodily constraints of human nature.
Which is why now, lindsay, I've started saying that I
I this is listened this bear with me. I got
to speak my truth. I have discovered that I am transvaccinated, lindsay,
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I have discovered the way to liberate my vaccine nation
status from the bodily constraints of my bodily prison. And
last year I announced that Seth found the way to
become Sally because Fauci and Francis Collins and the liberal
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establishment taught me that the body provides no rational basis
for who the real person is in the real world.
So I was able to liberate Sally from the biological
prison of the phallic male prison of Seth. And I've
changed my pronouns on my driver's license to she her.
And so therefore, according to the law of body self dualism,
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because the body and biological realities provide no rational basis
for who the real person is in the real world,
I have discovered the way, and I got a say, Lindsay.
I always felt like I was born in a vaccinated body,
and the transvaxphobes that are denying my reality and my
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truth and my lived experience as a vaccinated person have
sometimes caused me to contemplate suicide. I mean, it's better
to have in a live vaccinated person than a dead
unvaccinated daughter. And so I was able to imprint my
vaccination preferences onto the bodily prison of my un jabbed
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self because the real biological person isn't the person, and
so I may not have the spike protein because I
never received the fauci auci, but I have decided to
come out is transvaccinating? Now listen, Lizzy. If that doesn't
make any sense, right, then guess what neither does? Transgenderism? No,
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And if transgenderism doesn't make sense, then guess what neither
it does? Transhumanism? And if those three things don't make sense,
then guess what neither does being pro choice? Because the
common thread amongst all four of those things is the
belief that the real body, the real person, is not
a body. The body's just the shell. So you can
redefine and identify yourself for eternity because the real person
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is who you see yourself to be inside. Oh does
that sound like the science, lindsay? Or does that sound
like a kooky, weird religious heresy and anthropological philosophical view
of the person that the Democrats and the liberal establishment
are masquerading as the science in order to confuse the
public and smack their political opponents over the head as
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being anti scienced? Do I need to did I? Did
I say? Enough? There?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Choose I choose the cookie?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
One? Ye? Yep, yep, that's right?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
All right, awesome. I know you've got personal stuff going,
I've want to ask you one more question because I
think this is really important and this is a subject
that everybody thinks that they've got the answer slash opinion on.
So and you touched a little bit about this at
Freedom Night, but I do want to hear the back,
you know, I want to hear the details of it.
What do you say for the argument? You know, quote,
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what if the mother's life is at risk?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah? Yeah, of course. So it's funny, this is something
that your listeners need understand that the left always does,
is they they reduce their entire political project down to
the super minority, and then they say, because of the
super minority, you have to support our status quo. And
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it's like, no, that has nothing to do with what
you're pushing. So so let's say, let's just grant the
abortion was needed to save the life of the mother,
and I'm about to I'm about to prove to you
why it's not. But let's say it was. Then then
why are you using that argument to justify the status
quo that you're pushing on abortion? Because if you if
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you believe abortion needs to be legal because of the
life of the mother cases, then hey, if I give
you those, will you join me in fighting to end
the ninety nine point five percent of all other abortions
that are not performed because rape or life of the mother.
And they always say no, so to which I say,
then why are you hiding behind rape victims or or
or terminally ill pregnant women in order to disguise your
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true intentions, which is abortion on apology, abortion on demand
and without apology? Right, And so even if you're granted
to them, they're they're still going to push it for
any reason or no reason at all. So it's incredibly cynical.
But yeah, abortion is never necessary to save the life
of the mother. Newsflash. And and lindsay, I meet I
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meet pro lifers sometimes and Christians and would be conservatives
who tell me that I'm lying. I've been I've been
called a liar by people who say their pro life
and Christians when I've said this, And so let me
just prove it to you. Firstly, you can go to
the Dublin Declaration. It's either dot com or dot org.
The Dublin Declaration signed by over a thousand h obgy
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n's nurses, uh neo natologists, nurse practitioners who all are
agreeing with one statement. Abortion is never necessary to save
the life of the mother. And so let's say a
woman is in that rare circumstance in America. And I'm
not saying it never happens where a woman's life is
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threatened by her pregnancy. It does. It's very rare, but
it happens. So let's say a woman's life is on
the line, lindsay because of her pregnancy. Okay, is abortion
the only way to end pregnancy? Because if it's the
pregnancy that's endangering her life, right, then not being pregnant
would solve the problem. Correct. Let's be speaking very simply here.
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So is abortion the only way to end pregnancy? No,
the other way would be this fascinating thing called childbirth.
So you either induced early labor with potocin or you
perform a cessarean section see section right. And guess what
for the fall of the science leftist degenerates who insists
(37:56):
that science is the god today and how she is
the high priest. That's actually safer for mom. It is
actually safer for mom in a high risk pregnancy already
to have the child delivered than to chop up, disembowel,
and dismember the child in the womb. The abortion is
more dangerous for the mom who's already in a dangerous
(38:18):
situation than childbirth would be. Now what I've just done
is I'm just I'm starting to debunk one of the
most common arguments you'll hear from the left, and they
will They've been saying this for decades, lindsay. They'll say,
the amount of the amount of statistical gymnastics you have
to do to make this claim is fascinating. And so
(38:38):
you guys can go subscribe in my podcast Unaborted with
Seth Gruber to hear us the bunk, somebody things it
is fascinating amount of political gymnastics you have to do
to say this. But they will literally say that abortion
is safer than childbirth for the mom. They've been saying
this for decades. They'll also say that the abortion pill
(38:59):
is safe for and thailanol. They'll say that our U
forty six the abortion pill is safer than thailand. Al So,
Seal Richards, the former president of Planned Parent, had said
that in the Los Angeles Times opinion editorial in twenty nineteen,
and so obviously this is this is not true. You
should you should be able to see how that's not true,
just from like a gut level, like like you're a
person with like thoughts and like you're like you can
(39:21):
come to conclusions without even looking at the research which
I have. You should be able to know that's false
because listen, what does an abortion entail. Well, if the
pregnancy is threatening the life of the mother, lindsay, that
baby's usually more developed. Right, If the pregnancy is could
take mom's life, it's usually not at eight weeks, it's
usually it's usually at twenty plus twenty plus week. Okay,
(39:44):
So that means what kind of abortion are we talking about? Right? Right?
We're talking about a d and E, a dilation and evacuation.
And so this uses laminarrea to to expand the cervix
and then and then you're using fourceps and you're tearing
and you're ripping, and when the white when the white
(40:06):
fluid begins to flow, lindsay, you'll know that that was
the baby's brains. So a d and E is a
very intense, violent procedure, and guess what, it's one of
the most dangerous procedures for mom. You should be able
to just know that from a gut level, like you're
sticking fourceeps up a woman's vaginal canal, usually without an ultrasound,
so you're doing it blind, trying very carefully not to
(40:28):
rip through the uterine wall, which is like wet tissue basically,
and she can hemorrhage if you rip through there with
with fourceeps that have sharp teeth on the end, I mean,
and then you're you're you're puncturing the amniotic sack, and
then you're ripping off the limbs of the child. Like
I'm sorry. You don't have to be pro choice for
a life. You should be able to know that that
is that is more dangerous for mom than if she
(40:49):
just gives birth to the child. Okay, So even if
you're a pro choicer, even if you're for for abortion,
you should you should support rather than abortion when mom's
life is in danger. And yet Lindsey, they don't they don't.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Know, and the people making these arguments also don't understand
that a woman at that point has felt her baby kick,
has felt her baby move, has felt the butterflies, The
mother herself knows there is a child in there, and
if she were given the choice, you could die if
you don't deliver or we evacuate this baby more times,
(41:29):
I would hope than not. The mother herself has said,
let's try to deliver. But it's the people making these
arguments that have never even been in the situation making
these arguments on behalf of all women, which is mostly
what's infuriating to me and Seth. I want to clarify
what you're saying is, let's say a doctor at twenty
three weeks says, if we don't, if you're not unpregnant,
(41:54):
you could die. Nature would take its course, and at
twenty time three weeks if you delivered a baby, the
baby probably would not survive.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
I'm correct, they may, but they may, Lindsay, so may.
That is still that is still a very yes. So
you're right, You're right, that is a very high risk
stage of development and age for the child. So so
you're you're pretty much right on the money out. I
just want your listeners to know, you know, you know
what you're talking about, that that it would be a
hard it would be a hard next few weeks for
(42:25):
that child to make it alive. But the youngest baby
ever born and survived, ready for this, Lindsay, and survived
and it's now. I think the baby just turned two
was born at twenty one weeks and one day.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
See, I didn't know know that.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
So so viability, Lindsay, the term viability, I just want
to be very clear so your listeners can become prolet Ninjas.
Viability is a word that is it's a pile of crap.
The viability is not a gauge of the status of
the child. It's a gauge of our current medical technology.
(43:08):
So let me prove it to you. A few decades ago,
viability was defined by the courts and the medical community
as twenty six weeks, and now we have babies surviving
at twenty one, twenty three, and twenty four weeks, right,
because we're getting better at saving children at earlier stages.
So as medical technology increases, more children are saved at
(43:31):
earlier stages. So viability is a very very, very stupid concept.
But it was used by the courts, Lindsay in Roe v.
Wade to determine what kind of laws states could pass
or not to protect the unborn child. Because listen what
in Roe v. Wade and its companion case do versus
Bolton say in nineteen seventy three, it's said that could
(43:56):
could ban abortion after feed viability, but not before. That's
what the court said, So why right would you expect
them to give an argument Like if you're saying that
that viability is this magical marker at which children can
be protected after but not before, then I need an argument.
(44:21):
I need a philosophical argument as to why the line
of viability is so value giving in the first place.
Why is that child worthy of protection at the state
level through laws after feel the viability but not before?
They never told us, lindsay, right, So, I think it
was an attempt to get moderates on board with supporting abortion,
(44:42):
because the moderates who didn't want abortion through point of
birth but they were okay with abortion at the first trimester,
would have still that semi functioning moral compass that would say, ooh,
third trimester or abortions late second trima ooh, and they
wouldn't have supported such a blatant attempt by the abortion
industry to legalize that through point of birth. But again,
(45:03):
they never told us why viability was significant in the
first place. Here's another example why viability is so stupid, lindsay,
if a mom at twenty four weeks pregnant, or a
baby twenty four weeks along, jumps on a plane and
leaves Reagan Airport. Her child would be viable. But then
(45:25):
let's say she flies to a remote village in Africa
after she leaves American airspace, her child would not be
viable because in Africa, her child would not be able
to survive at twenty four weeks if that child was born,
because it would not have Actually, that baby would not
access to the kind of medical technology to save that baby.
But if you were in DC or New York City,
(45:45):
that baby would likely be able to be saved. So
is our personhood and right to life dependent on our geography?
You see the kind of weird, weird conclusions that happen
if you grant the prevacies of progressivism, and.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
So viability is fluid, just like their gender, Just like everything.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Else, We're able to save babies, lindsay, at such early stages.
So let's just put the cap on your question, because
I don't think I fully ended it with a full answer.
So here you go. If you deliver that baby early
because you have to to save mom's life, there's a
good chance you can save both mother and child because
(46:25):
of how advanced our medical technology is. And so let's
say Mom is in a very dangerous situation at twenty
one weeks. If the doctors think that they can put
her on bed rest and that she won't die, right,
if they think they can stabilize her and she'll be fine,
but she needs to be on bed rest. She can't
be going around Cleveland the house are going to work,
(46:46):
but she can be put on bed rest and taking
care of the hospital for a few more weeks. Then
you just let the child develop. To the extent that
we know, we can save that PREMI and the pregnancy
through childbirth and save both mother and so we can
all today we can almost always save both mother and child. Now, listen,
(47:08):
I have friends who are former abortionists, Lindsey, I have
friends who are obg i ns. Yes, they have told
me about the circumstances during their career when they had
to not perform an abortion to save mom's life. They
had to deliver the child to save Mom's life, and
the child didn't make it. But what you've done is
you've given the child their best chance. Yes, and you
haven't intentionally killed them, yes, which is what abortion does.
(47:31):
So there's your answer.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Gosh, so powerful, Seth. I could not argue with you
all day about pro life. I'm so you're so powerful.
I am so thankful that you came on today. Thank
you so much. I didn't get a chance to send
you my my typical email because you committed to this
so last minute, which I appreciate. But at the end
of every episode, we cheers and you get to decide
(47:54):
what we're cheersing to. So can you whip something up
real quick?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, here's cheers to Jill Biden, Joe Biden's degenerate wife
who would rather recruit political power than get her husband
the help that he needs.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Oh gosh, wow, cheers. I did not see that coming.
That was I thought it was going to be about babies.
That was even the more entertaining that could have could
have anticipated.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Seth.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Where could people find you?
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Seth Gruber Official on Instagram, Seth dot Gruber on TikTok, which, strangely,
my tiktoks went from twenty thirty forty fifty sixty seventy
eighty ninety one hundred, one hundred fifty thousand views to
eight hundred for each TikTok out of nowhere. So that's fascinating.
Just went from wonder what we went from averaging fifty
thousand to occasionally two hundred thousand to eight hundred and
(48:43):
five hundred for my last ten. Just fascinating how that happened.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Interesting technology, you.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Know, yep, yep, Seth dot Gruber at TikTok. We're on
rumble because my YouTube will get slashed one day. YouTube
is Seth Gruber, a voice for the unborn. The podcast
is unaboarded with Seth Gruber because we're all on a
boarded on all your major audio podcast platforms. We do
two episodes a week, and you can connect with my
(49:08):
new organization, the White Rose Resistance, where we're rebuilding Christian
resistance to end the abortion holocaust in America before it's
too late. Our website is the White Rose dot Life,
not dot com, the White Rose dot life, and our
Instagram account is the same, the White Rose Dot Life.
And if you want to become an ally of the
White Rose Resistance and help me become the Charlie Kirk
(49:28):
of the pro life movement to be a pain in
the ass to these baby murderers and finally mobilize good
people to wake up and stop this, then go to
the White Rose dot life and become a partner and
keep supporting Lindsay and what she's doing being a watchman
and what the scripture is called a son or daughter
of Issachar. In this case it said the people who
(49:49):
understood the times that they lived in and knew what
Israel ought to do. And we need people who understand
these times and these ideas to awaken the good people
to stop this agenda.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Oh my gosh, love it. Thank you so much, Seth.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Thanks Lindzie, keep up the good work.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Hez you. Thanks for tuning in to the Patriot Barbie podcast.
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(50:26):
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