MOURNING MURDERED BABIES: The Fight Against Abortion

Savannah Craven, from Students for Life, Blexit America & TurningPointUSA, comes onto the Patriot Barbie Podcast to discuss what is going wrong with our society concerning abortion and how it is actually "anti-woman." Tune in to hear this message as well as learn more about how you can get involved.


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I'm your host, Lindsey Graham,author and conservative activist. I love Jesus,
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values are worth fighting for. ThePatriot Barbie Podcast starts now. Welcome to

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the Patriot Barbie Podcast. As youguys know, a lot lot of my
movement is based in the pro lifearea. I have my own ab abortion
story that I've shared openly many manytimes. Oh gosh, what we do
for pro life is it can extendto so many different areas. You know,
donating to pro life organizations, supportingcompanies that are pro life boycotting and

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blacklisting companies like Amazon that donate tosend their employees to get abortions. There's
a lot that we can do.Some people go out and actually advocate boots
on the ground rally speak. Ido a little bit of that, but
my next guest on the podcast todayis someone that I repeatedly see boots on
the grounds, megaphone in hand,doing what needs to be done and empowering

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women to choose life and making surethat people are aware what is happening with
abortion. In one of my favoriteclips with her is on a show speaking
about how a mother had a childbeaten to death over what seemed to be
a misunderstanding on a racial issue.And the boy was beaten to a bloody,

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bloody pulp and the mother asked foran open casket, which was completely
unheard of, and she said,I want the world to know what was
done to my child. And itwas Savannah calling for her, you know,
opening the casket on abortion and whatdoes it really really do to not
just the babies, what does itdo to the mother. And it's a
powerful concept because you know, societyhas just downplayed and downgraded the abortion industry

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to it's not a baby, It'sjust a fetus. And what we're seeing
now is, you know, themutilation and murder of children, and it's
hopefully getting harder and harder for normalpeople to ignore. So I'm excited to
touch on, of course again,the pro life movement and a little bit
about Savannah is. Savannah Craven isa pro life activist and conservative content creator.

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Over the past two years, he'sgained a social media following making content
on her TikTok as well as forBlexit America. Blexit stands for the Black
Exit from the Democratic Party, foundedby Candice Owens and officer Brandon Tatum.
She's made content with Prager, Forceand Live Action. Savannah has been featured
in The New York Times, TheWashington Post, Impact with ABC News,

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on Hulu, Generations, documentary withMSNBC, Revolt Black News, and more.
Savannah is proud to represent Blexit Americaand Turning Point usas an ambassador.
She currently resides in Manhattan, NewYork, and serves the community by starting
new pro life groups across the Northeastand encouraging young people to become strong pro

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life leaders. Savannah, Welcome tothe Patriot Barbie Podcast. Thank you so
much, Lindsay for having me.I'm very excited to be here. You
are so adorable. How in theworld how old are you? I am
twenty one year old? Oh mygosh. I was like, now that
I'm looking at her, she's decentlyyoung, and I would have just yes,
like twenty five because I'm so old. I don't know how old people

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are anymore. But I'm like,Okay, you're really young. This is
such an incredible resume for twenty one. I hope you're proud of yourself.
Thank you. Well, I couldn'tbe here without people like you, and
organizations like Blexit and Turning Point forsupporting me, and just people believing me.
You know, it takes a village. So yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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Well I'm happy to uplift your voice. We need young women like you
saying hey, my entire generation saysthis is normal. It's not normal.
I don't know if you know this, but I live in Phoenix, Arizona,
and i've at twenty two, Ihad an abortion and it you know,
it's going to affect me the restof my life. I was driving
down I ten, which is ourmajor major freeway, like five six lanes

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on each side, and right upon this overpass was this huge, like
twenty foot banner that said abortion isnormal. And I got so pissed.
I was like, all right,this is either the Holy Spirit or it's
me as a sinner. But Ipulled my car over, turned around,
went up on that walkway, andI ripped that banner down, crumpled it
up, and brought it home.And I was like, I don't care.

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This is activism and or jail time. But I'm like, you know
what if one girl drives by andis like, you know, deciding do
I or do I not kill mybaby? Like I don't want that to
be there for her to be like, oh, it was a sign it's
normal, It's okay, and likecrap, Like that is just the stuff
that society is doing to make abortionseem so lacksadaisical. It's starting to really

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piss us off. So I'm curious, like, of all of the movements,
what you know, what makes youso passionate about abortion? Sure,
So it all started when I wasaround eleven or twelve years old. I
had a pro life group come tomy c TV pasts and we were handed

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little fetal models twelve week old fetalmodels, and there was different colors,
so I picked a little brown oneand throughout the day we were able to
we were told that we need totake care of our fetal model. We
got to name them, and throughoutthe day, you know, on a
twelve year old level, these peopleexplained life in the womb and being an

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only child, I had never experiencedmy mom being pregnant, you know,
with a sibling of mind, Sothis was the first time I had ever
seen something like this, and Inever really realized that I was a human
being even when I was in mymom right, It's kind of like this
idea where you think a bird dropsus off on the steps, so much
more than that. And you know, being raised a Christian, being raised

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Catholic, I always valued life andwe were always taught that life was valuable
at every stage, from womb totomb. So when I was in high
school, I started to hear theword abortion, and I always knew that
it was bad, but I neverquite really understood what all ways into it,
and until I had my very ownpersonal experience where my best friend became

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pregnant our senior year of high schooland she considered abortion. And although I
didn't know her super well, wehad actually just become friends that year.
She was the first person. Iwas the first person that she told,
and she told me, you know, I can't do this. I'm gonna
I'm gonna get an abortion. Whilegrowing up in South Carolina, it was

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you know, it's not very commonto have abortion facilities right in our neighborhood,
so the closest facility is two hoursaway. And the morning that she
went to go drive her car toher appointment to Charleston, South Carolina,
she had actually filled up her tireswith air the night before to make sure
she could make the drive. Andshe woke up in the morning and one

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of her tires was completely flat.Jesus from a class and I was in
class and I was like, well, I had to take this call.
I mean, this is my friendand I need to be there for her.
And she called me and she saidI didn't go when she was crying,
and I was like, oh mygosh, why why didn't you go?
And you know, she told mewhat had happened, and she said

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that this is the sign that I'vebeen praying for. And now her sweet
little boy Omari is going to befour this year, and it's just so
crazy because I've watched her just blossominto this amazing mother, and although it
has not been easy, she tooka circumstance that society didn't exactly look at,
you know, as ideal, andshe just is stronger than her circumstances.

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Women are stronger than their circumstances.And now she lives in her own
place, she's got a good job, and we look back and we look
at Omar and we sot like,how could you ever have thought? You
know, she says, how couldI ever have thought to get rid of
this precious gift that is life?Yeah? I think the gosh. There's
so many things about that story thattrigger ideas and statements. But society has

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told women that children or a burden. And you know, I'm a mom
of three now, nine six andthree, and women joke all the time
about like, ah, these kidsare driving me nuts. And I'm starting
to think, do we stop makingthose jokes? Right? Like your kids
drive us nuts? I'm sure Omaridrives hurt his mother nuts. But if
we say those things, do otherwomen who don't have kids really think it's

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that terrible because what society is sayingis that you can have an abortion and
not be remorseful, and that yourlife will be easier, or you'll it
will be affordable and all these things. And what we know, what we
know know is that women who birththeir children would never ever look at that
child and go, yeah, Iwish I would have aborted you never,

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So like that message isn't getting outthat And like you say, you triggered
an idea that I'd never even thoughtof, which is that you're an only
child and you've never seen like ababy in a womb and then be birthed,
and then so many, so manyonly children may be completely cut off

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from the idea that God creates usat conception because they've never experienced that.
But man, like, where doI go with this? So I wonder
too, like did she share withyou I'm praying for a sign or was
that something she kept private between herand God? Well, you know she

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had every now and then told methat, you know, I don't want
to do this, but abortion isnormal in my family. I literally am
just trying to get my life togetherabout to graduate. How can I possibly
have a child right now? Andthat's what's so sad, and that's why
Students for Life is so important becauseall of this starts when people are children.

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We have to start educating when people'syou know, humans, start to
understand things right, and creating aculture of life on your campus. That'd
be middle school, high school,and college, especially because that's the group
of people that abortion is being pushedon the most. They're trying to make
abortion pill vending machines or trying tomake these abortion pills available in the school

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nurse's office because they're saying, well, you couldn't possibly be a mom and
have your degree, You couldn't possiblyhave a successful career and be a mom.
And it's like, I mean,these people call themselves feminists. It's
like, well, you're literally beingmisogynistic right now. You're telling a woman
that she can't have a child andalso pursue her goals. That's so anti

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woman. And so you know,that's our job is to create that culture
of life and create that community ofsupport on every single campus that we can
because society, social media is tellingwomen that they can't and abortion is telling
women that you can't do this andalso have your dreams. Yeah, that's
such a good point. Women areprobably stronger than that's not the way God

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created us. We're not actually physicallystronger than men, but as far as
being able to create life in ourbodies, sustain and feed and nurture that
life, and then when that lifecomes out, to be able to sustain
and nurture that life with our ownbody still for another couple years is one
of the most incredible miracles that Godhas created. And to say, great,

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you can do that, but youcan't do anything else, and not
even like if you're single. They'reeven telling women that are married, if
you want a career or if youdon't want to be stuck at home doing
laundry and dishes, like there's nojoy in that right, that this baby
is going to get in the way, when the real truth is that this
baby will be the best thing that'sever happened to you, regardless of your

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financial situation, regardless of your maritalor relationship situation, and regardless of what
your career is headed toward. Andit's so weird that that we see all
these empowered women who support abortion,but no one in the media. You
know, of course, the mainstreammedia is highlighting powerful women, even like

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myself who has three kids and stillhas a career. Hello, Like,
where that's real women empowerment. We'renot so weak, we can't micromanage,
we can do anything exactly. Andit's really just starting from the high school
age where you know they're pushing Ohwell, you know, if you're in
high school, if you're sixteen fifteen, you need to get on birth control.

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You need to suppress your fertility.Your fertility is not a gift.
It's something that's going to get inthe way of you being able to just
live freely. You know, weknow what that means, instead of actually
cultivating healthy and loving relationships and understandingthat not only if you're engaging in hookup
culture, are you, you know, putting yourself at the possibility of getting

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pregnant with somebody that maybe you shouldn'tbe having a you know, as the
father or the mother of your children. But you're also putting yourself at risk
for like in the future, notbeing able to really connect with people.
Right, And some women are areon birth control for over thirty years and
then they get to that point wherethey've had their career, they've gotten everything,

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you know, they've accomplished everything thatthey've wanted to and now they want
to start a family, and they'rehaving trouble even conceiving a child because they've
We've been told that injecting ourselves orjust feeding ourselves these hormones for decades is
just normal, you know, whenin allectuality, it's damaging our minds and
our bodies. Right, I've hadthis idea tossing around in my head for

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a few months, which is thatthe Bible is God's you know, law.
But it seems to me like we'veall had our fun disobeying the law,
and some laws are not as funto disobey, and them are you
know, have a lot of consequences. But His law was written to protect
us. And what we're seeing isthat the more we sexualize kids in junior

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high even elementary school, teach womenthat it's empowering to sleep around. But
then at the same time, whileyou're empowering them to sleep around, that's
sleeping around would lead to pregnancy eventually. But no, no, you don't
want that, So why wouldn't weteach them maybe don't sleep around because your
body does this and it's a miracle. But if you're not ready for that
miracle. The smart thing to dowould be to not And God's law is

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there to protect us. And I'mmore and more becoming like a Quaker.
I'm like, if we could alljust go back to living on the prairie
and eating like meat and vegetables,and nobody sleeps with anybody till they're married.
I know that's not normal, butthese problems would all be solved,
like they literally would all be solvedif we all obeyed God's word. And
I know it's twenty twenty three andthat's never going to happen, but why

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aren't we at least dropping those kindof hints, like, Hey, I
know it's kind of prude to waittill you're married, but look at all
of the problems it would prevent ifyou did. Forget that it's a Christian
belief right or a biblical belief.What if you did, you wouldn't even
need to worry about birth control,You wouldn't need to worry about unplanned pregnancy.
And chastity is looked at as somethingthat is a Christian view and all

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of you know, many many Christians, we do share it, and God,
that's what God teaches it's actually it'sit's a way of life to protect
yourself. And it's the greatest formof commitment to the person that you're going
to dedicate your life too, becauseif you're willing to wait for that person
to commit to yourself to that personwithout engaging in that they, I mean,

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the strongest level of connection that youcan you can bond with somebody,
right with right, this is themost vulnerable that you can be with somebody.
And we started looking at it likethat rather than something like you're holding
back from your partner, right right, Yeah, look at it as something
like the greatest form of dedication andcommitment. I think would would be much

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more open to the idea of it. Yeah, I agree. So I'm
gonna ask you a question that's goingto probably be kind of funny when I
ask it, But you and nowthat I've read a little bit more of
your your biom your friend in highschool? Was she black? Yes?
Okay, So clearly you know CannisOwens talks about this often. Um so

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does there's another like a politician,uh I think her name? Anyways,
that that the genocide that is happeningwith abortion is so immensely like dedicated to
the black culture. So do youadvocate on behalf of the black community as

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far as being pro life and antiabortion, because we know that black babies
are being killed at a much higherrate than white babies and that just to
me seems incredible racist and the DemocraticParty just is immersed in it. So,
um, what is what is yourrole or your opinion there on on
abortion in the black community. Sure? Absolutely so. This is actually the

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reason that you know, sparked myactivism and why I decided to make this
my career as I came across avideo from Live Action, who is actually
done by my friend James O'Keefe withOMG okay, and he did a video
with them undercover calling planned parenthoods aroundthe country asking if he could fund an

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abortion specifically on a black baby,and every single one of them said yes,
and not only a yes, butit was like a confident yes.
And I started to do more research. And of course this was during the
time where I came back from NewYork City from musical theater school and I
was back home in South Carolina andI just came across this video. Nothing
to do really during COVID times,right and I was like, well,

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why does Black Lives Matter not talkingabout this. There's this higher organization dedicated
to ending people that look like me. Yet these organizations, all these riots
are happening, right, But there'sno riots in the street for these black
babies that are being murdered, right. And so I started sharing this video
with my friends, my family,and they were like, oh, I

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had no idea about this. Andthen I found out about Margaret Sanger,
who's the founder of Planned Parenthood,who was a proud racist and eugenicist,
and she literally wanted to end theblack race. She wanted to make one
race. She talked about sending peoplethat had disabilities and that were you know,

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black and minorities on islands and havingthem living away from society. She
wanted to put birth control in thewater system so that when these minorities drank
it, of course, you know, they wouldn't be able to reproduce.
And I was just sitting here,like, this organization still exists and we
are giving half a billion dollars ofour taxpayer dollars to them every single year.

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Every so everybody is well it insome states, yes, okay,
So how is that happening. AndI'm sorry if I'm asking you questions that
you don't know the answer to,But I'm like, wait, how are
we how are we funding Planned Parenthood? Well, it goes through a lot
of different channels, and I thinkit's it's hidden under a lot of different
names, so like reproductive help everything, things like that, women's health,

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they try to put it in throughthere. But we have the High Amendment
which actually helps stop these abortions fundinggoing toward our our taxpayer dollars, which
Biden and many other politicians want toreverse obviously because there's money going toward this.

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They don't want our money going towardhelping women have longer maternity leaves or
getting you know, mothers better pay. So you know, they're so so
there's that, but yeah, that'sso pro woman. Yeah, empowerment.
Um, so did Margaret Singer AndI've kind of heard this story, but
you seem to be very well versedin she founded Planned Parenthood. Yes,

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so this was originally you know,called the Negro Project and among other things,
and basically she sent black pastors intothe black community and was giving them
birth control. And yeah, Imean it's it's just really really sad.
Black women are only about eight percentof the population, yet we're sold thirty

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six percent of abortions. That is, the city where I live, one
and two black babies were aborted intwenty nineteen. And you know, we
have to sit back and think like, oh, why are we the minority?
Why are there so little Black people? And it's like, because we've
literally aborted over twenty million of them. Yeah, well half you just said
half the babies in New York areare are killed. Yeah. And I've

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stually had pro abortion protesters, youknow, come up to me and say
you're black, How in the worldcould you be pro life? And I'm
like, do you think black womenare incapable of being mothers? Do you
think that black men are not capableof being good fathers? I mean,
what are you trying to place here? They think that just killing us is
going to fix the issues with ourcommunity. You know, they would rather

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end the lives of the people thatare suffering from an injustice rather than actually
help them, right, I mean, it's it's honestly, I'm trying to
I'm trying to figure out why Iwould even need to say this, because
some people are so incredibly dense,mostly the left. But how is it
not the most racist belief in theworld to say, how can you be

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black and pro life? Like?Hold on, did you just intermix somehow
my skin color with whether or notI should burn the child or should raise
a child? Like exactly, itdoesn't even make sense to me. If
anything, it screams, hey,your skin color makes you so incapable and
so not financially fit or career orientedthat you shouldn't even have kids because you're

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black. I mean, that's basicallywhat the left is saying, right.
So it's so crazy because it's sohypocritical, hypocritical because then they'll go and
just you know, gush over peoplelike Rihanna, who literally is pregnant and
performed at the Super Bowl. Imean, how is that's the most you
know, pro woman, pro lifeperformance I've ever seen it? Like this

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girl's up on a stage like athousand feet in the air, you know,
singing her lung child yeah, withthe child inside of her yeah.
And then we uplift people like MichelleObama that was the first lady and has
children and was doing a job asbig as that. Yet you can't tell
a girl going to school that shecan have a child. You can't tell

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a woman that she could be anurse or be an actress and also be
a mom. It's just it's it'sjust so hypocritical to me. And then
of course they'll offer up that threehundred five hundred dollars as soon as she
gets pregnant, right and says,well, you can just go get an
abortion and take care of it.No ways, we're not going to help
you with diapers or food or youknow, help you with with after schoolcare.

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Yeah, I mean, if youchoose, if you choose life,
which is at sometimes the harder decisionand the harder road, where is planned
parenthood to say all right, wellwe kind of wish you would have killed
your kids, but since you didn't, here's help they would rather. I
mean, by like exactly, it'sso disappointing, it's so sad. So

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do you tell me about I watcheda real recently where a white girl was
screaming at you that she hates whitepeople and it was about abortion. So
I'm like, old on, isthis a VLM rally or is this a
pro life rally? Which isn't right? That was at the International Walk for
life in New York City last Saturday, and this woman I see very very

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often outside of Plant Parenthood when thegroup at St. Patrick's Basilica goes over
every first Saturday in the month andwe pray the Rosary over to the Plant
Parenthood and then a lot of USsidewalk Council, which means we hand out
local pregnancy resource centers to moms walkingin, and this woman sees me a

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lot, but this is the firsttime she actually spoke to me. And
she made a comment to me thatI was standing with a bunch of white
boys, which I don't know whythat wasn't shoe, but apparently it really
triggered her. And I said,why do you have such a problem with
white men? And then she wenton to say, like they have the
most power in this country. Ihate white people, and I'm white,

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so I can say that something likethat. And then I said, oh,
well, do you hate black peopletoo, since you're out here advocating
for killing their babies? And shesays, no, I wish I was
black. Why a woman want tobe a part of a community that's the
most oppressed and incapable. I haveno idea, But here we go right
according to your own logic, likewe shouldn't get to sing the national anthem

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because we're so oppressed, but youwish you were me, I know.
And it's it's you should just lookat someone and just assume because they're white
or because they're black, that they'vehad every same experience as another person the
same color as them. You know, I'm somebody who I really have never
received racism from white people. It'sactually been more from black people, you

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know, calling me Uncle Tom,saying that I'm not black enough because I
have a mother, that the factthat I'm conservative, or that I'm Christian,
you know that I serve you know, the white man, or I
dance for the white man. Andit's like, no, Actually, I
was raised by a very strong singlemother that told me I could think whatever
I wanted to as long as Icould back it up with facts. And

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I just came to know that Godis the truth. You know, conservative
values are the truth, and beingpro life is the truth because you have
you cannot value life at any stageif you don't value it from the moment
it begins. Absolutely, I write, somebody write that down. I watched

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a Chicago, Chicago p D it'sa show, you know, all the
Chicagos, and I can't watch anythingas blind entertainment anymore. They've got to
see like the underlying you know,propaganda and everything. This show is very
non woke and which I appreciate.Yeah, so quick rundown this This was

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spread out over four episodes, butin one of the episodes, two of
the police officers are sleeping together andshe gets pregnant. Well, then of
course there's a discussion about what dowe do, and I'm like, moving
better world? Does show better notadvocate for abortion? And she says it's
not the right time. I'm notready. I think that I think I

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should just have a motion. SoI'm not sure what. Oh so she
anyway, she then worked with avictim who went on to say that thank
you for saving my son. He'sthe best thing that's ever happened. I
don't want to do without him.So I'm like, oh, here you
go. So of course she realizedI think I better. I think I
better have this child. I don'twant to have regrets, and she says,
quote, I don't want to haveregrets. So then she decides.

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So now we've got an episode whereshe says, you know, according to
propaganda, this child is not achild. I get to decide it's worth
and I've decided that it doesn't deserveto live. Right, And now she
says, Okay, I do thinkI want this child. It does deserve
to live, and as it's mother, I'm choosing to give it life.
Okay, great, moving on.She's pregnant, she needs to be on

(30:47):
desk duties. She pursues a criminalthat she shouldn't, she gets beat up,
she miscarries, and now we're ata scene in the hospital where she
is beyond devastated. And I've hadthree miscarriages, so I, you know,
completely can relate to what that feelslike. Yeah, And she is
crying, devastated, she's stoics,she's like a zombie. She has lost

(31:07):
the baby. And now we're ata situation where she was excited to be
a mother. She saw value inher child's life. She was planning a
life in a future with that child, and now it's gone and it's hurtful,
and I went, oh my gosh, this whole three episodes. This
child's life is determined by her feelingsat the moment, and how can we

(31:29):
live like that because she went throughI don't want you, I want you
now you're gone, and it's absolutelydevastated me. And I'm like, hold
on, two episodes ago, shewas going to kill you herself. So
we've just determined that a mother's feelingstowards her infant in her stomach can change,
I mean day to day, hourto hour, and that we such
a dangerous thought process because it's like, look at all the mistakes that we've

(31:55):
made in our history, just inthis country, when we looked at a
group of people and said, well, you're not really as human as this
other group of people or were wedon't. We're we're going to classify you
as three fifths of a person,right And I'm not trying to compare,
you know, abortion to slavery,but they these two injustices happen for the
same reason. We looked at agroup of people and we said, you're

(32:16):
not as worthy as this removal.So therefore we can do whatever we want
to you. We can we cansell you, we can use you however
we want. And you know,we recognize that slavery was wrong, it
was inhumane, and so that's weabolished it right right now, We have
abortion, which is another form ofdehumanization. It's people in the womb that

(32:39):
just because they're not fully developed,which I always like to say, I'm
not fully developed because your brain actuallydoesn't fully develop until twenty five. So
does that mean I'm less of aperson than somebody that's older than twenty five
personally? Right, But we've say, well, you're dependent on somebody else,
so we can we can do whateverwe want with you. But then
if you're wanted, then it's ababy. But if it's not wanted,

(33:04):
it's it's just a seis or it'sjust a clump of cells, Like is
reality? Like that's so dangerous.And this is all the name of choice.
We just say, well, it'sa woman's choice, it's a woman's
choice to do whatever. But it'slike, I honestly think that abortion is
for men, because I think itwas designed for men, because it literally
is just an easy way out right. We put it on the woman.

(33:25):
We say well, it's your body, it's your choice, you can do
whatever. And so the men thatgo around and you know, use women
can just hand over that three hundreddollars and say, well, I don't
want to be at the father right, So here you go, peace out
later. And now this woman isleft alone and she's being told that it's
better for her to just kill herchild than it would be for her to

(33:46):
actually seek out resources and have acommunity to help her and lift her.
Yeah, and um, the prochoice argument has never really worked for me,
Like it's a woman's choice, andit's like, yeah, she had
three to four pretty good choices beforethis happened. And again, I know

(34:08):
it's twenty twenty three, but shecould have chosen not to sleep with him,
she could have chosen to use protection, she could have chosen to be
on birth control. She had choices, and she made those choices and it
led to this. And I don'tlike the word consequence because a baby is
not a consequence. But it ledto this circumstance. She chose to do

(34:30):
all of the things that led upto this circumstance, and now she wants
that one choice to be able tokill her baby. She had choices.
No one is taking away her choices. Those choices to be on birth control
or not have sex or whatever arestill there. No one is taking those
away. It's just it's ah,yeah, And you know the thing is

(34:54):
is that every action has a reaction, and not only you know, when
you lay down and sleep with someone, are you risking the possibility of getting
pregnant, but you're also risking thepossibility of getting STIs and things like that.
Every it's like playing the lottery.When you play the lottery, you
consent to win and you also consentto lose. So we know that if

(35:15):
you are engaging in heterosexual sex,that you have the possibility of getting pregnant.
And if you don't know that,then you should not be having sex.
I mean, that's and that's all. But they do, they do
know that, Like there is noone that's like, I didn't know I
could get pregnant from sex. They'reteaching it and freaking sixth grade now.

(35:35):
So like, other than the pointzero one percentage of young girls that you
know we're raped or whatever, whichis just a terribly sad statistic that didn't
know their bodies other than those,if you're having sex, you're aware that
that's how babies are made. Everyfemale that is having sex knows this is

(35:58):
how children are made. I mean, I remember being a kid and I
was raised in a really devout Christianhome. I mean, I remember before
sex said thinking, I think youcan get pregnate from kissing, no kissing,
Like, hey, like you youdidn't know. The minute you're mature
enough to make that decision, youare aware of what happens. And so
every woman, every female has exceptfor that point one percent, knows that

(36:22):
what they're doing could lead to ababy, and they have made multiple choices
up until that point to conceive thatchild exactly. And even in that point
zero one percent, we still recognizethat those women matter. But let's look
at it like this. This isa pro life perspective, and this is
what I always say in cases ofsexual assault, is is her getting an

(36:46):
abortion if she does conceive in thatsituation, Is that going to erase the
trauma that's been afflicted on her,That going to make her forget? Absolutely
not. People that have been takenadvantage of an abuse used in any way,
we'll never forget that. And anabortion is basically just a band aid.
It covers up that invisible scar that'sbeen inflicted on her, and it's

(37:12):
just another traumatic experience. It's anotheract of violence that's not going to solve
anything. And as pro life aswe never tell women that they have to
parent, that they have to bea mother, right, but with her
choosing life or that baby, whichis so such a such a gracious thing
to do, and it's it's gonnabe hard, we know that, But
there's an entire movement here ready tosupport her in any way that she needs

(37:36):
to give that child a choice,you know, and and and to live
and to have that opportunity to havetheir life. Right. Yeah, if
we look at every single person asa gift, no matter how they came
to be, we would have justmore respect for people all around. Right,
And there's so many people out therethat we walk past on the street

(37:58):
that they could have been eaved inrape. How are you going to tell
them that they're less worthy of lifeor that they would have been better off
dead just because of the way theywere conceived. It's it's horrible. And
how could they ever tell themselves that, like, oh, because of how
my mother got pregnant, I wishI'd never been born. They would never

(38:20):
believe that about themselves. So whyin the world would we spread the message
that a baby's life matters only ifthe mother and father made the baby out
of love and woodlock, I mean, all of those things, and um,
you say so many good things,and then I am like, oh,
yeah, I want to touch onit. Oh you know, we're
missing the entire um, I mean, the entire biblical basis of this belief.

(38:46):
And that's why when when women givebirth to their child, even if
that child was conceived in rape,I would I would guess that when that
baby comes out, that uncontrollable,instinctual, natural gift that God gave us
to love our child, she wouldlook at that child and no matter how

(39:08):
it was created, that would beGod turning that horrible event into good.
Right. We believe in Romans eightthat God turns all things to good for
those who love him. If awoman was raped and she made the rest
of her life wonder why did thathappen to me? If she conceived and

(39:30):
gave birth, that child would bea blessing or a gift to the family
that adopted him or her, orthat woman would give birth and go,
oh my gosh, despite how thisbaby came to me, this is the
best thing that's ever happened. AndI praise God for this baby. But
we don't have a culture that loves, appreciates, respects, or even recognizes

(39:52):
what God can do with something thathorrible. And we can change politics and
legislation and bills and propaganda. Butif everybody in America believed in God again,
we wouldn't be having this podcast.Yeah, exactly. And the thing
is is why a lot of thesepeople think this way and why they can't

(40:15):
value others is because they don't evenvalue themselves. I mean, I'm among
a generation that is what is itlike? Over over sixty percent of us
identify with one of the LGBTQ plus. We don't know our gender, we
don't really know who we really are. We're confused, we feel unhappy in

(40:36):
our own body. So how ifI don't even feel secure with myself,
I don't even see myself as valuable? How in the world could I see
somebody that I can't even see asvaluable? Right? Yeah? How could
I care about someone that I don'tknow that I can't see like this?
This is the problem. And soif we started teaching kids from the very

(40:59):
beginning, when they start to evenunderstand things that you are valuable. How
you are born, you don't despectanything about yourself. You were born perfectly
because God created you. He knewyou before he formed you in the womb,
and you are irreplaceable. Literally,each one of us are irreplaceable.
You cannot repeat anyone, you know. And so we're all so unique and

(41:22):
we're so perfect in God's eyes,and it's it's just so sad to see
so many of my peers and peoplemy age so confused and feel so worthless
in their own bodies. Yeah,and I know that you speak out a
little bit on kind of the transmovement and children too, and I think
you just touched on that is thatnot only are we not teaching people your

(41:43):
age or kids to value babies inthe womb, but to value even their
own identity that, like you know, you are incredibly uniquely made. But
we're not teaching that right because thatwould be a god belief unless somebody can
scientifically prove that each person is.I mean, they can't with DNA.
But these kids, they're not beingtaught that. They're being taught that there's

(42:05):
an endless amount of genders and thenyou could change it. And how can
we expect them to value life?They can't even stop to appreciate their own
life in the way that it wasformed, which is from a master creator
who picked every hair on our headand loves us, you know, unconditionally
exactly. And one of them.You know, I was growing up,
I mean it wasn't. I wasin high school not too long ago,

(42:28):
and you know, there were tomboys, there were people that were gay and
lesbian and whatever. But it's it'sjust to think like, oh, I
don't really like wearing pink, orI don't like wearing flowery dresses, so
I just must be transgender or it'sjust crazy, you know, and we
I always I always use this comparison. What if your child had come to

(42:49):
you and said, you know,mom, I don't feel like my right
foot should be on my body.Like most parents, I would say ninety
nine point nine percent of parents wouldsay, Okay, that's not normal.
Let's get you to a doctor andsee what's going on. But then now
your son comes to you and says, mom, I don't think my penis
should be on my body. They'rejust sending them right in there as young

(43:09):
as thirteen, fourteen, fifteen yearsold and just literally mutilating their body something
that cannot be undone. Yeah,and we're seeing now with I've been watching
this week, following up on theviral clip of one of the most well
known, I think the most wellknown transgender kids, Jazz Jennings, who

(43:30):
started to transition into a girl atage five I believe it was, and
got on hormone blockers when she wasonly eleven years old. So this in
her private parts not fully developing,and when she went to go and have

(43:51):
the transformative surgery to get her penisformed into a vagina, she had to
get it done four times because therewas not enough skin. There was not
enough skin built up around the area, and they had to do it four
times. And she's actually her momhas spoken out about the fact that she
has to dilate every single day becausethis whole that is essentially an open wound

(44:15):
that's trying to heal itself because that'swhat our bodies naturally do, is closing
up. In a recent video,she says to her mom, I never
feel like myself ever. I don'tknow who I am. So we have
this child that was exploited online sincethey were five years old, five six
years old, has the whole worldwatching their entire life. Maybe this child

(44:40):
was confused at five or six,but in reality, these parents didn't take
the authority that they needed to take. They didn't say, well, that's
fine if you feel that way,but they literally said, oh, well,
let's get you on these hormones.I mean, she was basically an
experiment. Yeah, yeah, thesedoctors and for these people, and now

(45:01):
we have her. Now she's gotbeneeeding disorder. She is very overweight.
She's had to have this destructive surgeryfour times. This is a surgery that's
only supposed to be doing one time. She's basically a guinea pig. And
and she's a heat so's a heat. Yeah. Yeah, So he has
mutilated his penis. He can neverget a woman pregnant, he can never

(45:24):
have normal sex like a male.And you know, I interviewed also,
by the way, to put thison national TV for the entire world to
see is so vile. I hopethat he sues his parents at some point
for not being the parents that theyshould have been and protecting him. But

(45:45):
you know, once this is done, he can also not probably ever go
back to being a normal male either. So yeah, and that is ruined.
I feel so bad because this person, what are what are they to
do? Like what I mean atthis point, this person, she looks

(46:07):
like a woman, a developed womanand is not is expressing I never feel
like myself ever, And we don'ttalk about the long term effects. And
now we're starting to see this,we're starting to see that this comes out.
I don't care if you're seventeen andyour birthday is tomorrow. You're not
a consenting adult. And this childwas exploded their entire life. They were

(46:28):
taken advantage of and just displayed,you know, and their parents. I
remember because Jazz and I are thesame age, and so I remember seeing
this video on YouTube when I waslike eleven years old and thinking, like,
transgender child, how is it evenpossible? You know, and it's
it's horrible. And so now thisperson suffers with anxiety depression. But yet

(46:52):
they were they're telling it like they'remaking the surgery seem like it is life
change, I know, and he'slike, oh, I need to finally
be a girl. And and thenyes, you see the long term effect
starting to come out, and it'swell, I feel bad that there's a
there's a probably a handful five toten people right now in the movement that

(47:13):
are speaking out that are detransitioning.They I mean, they had to sacrifice
their life to experience this to speakout against it. But I had Matt
Ray on my podcast about a monthand a half ago. She transitioned into
a male as an adult, consenting, etc. Etc. But she had

(47:35):
so many issues with her testosterone shehad to get off of it. And
now she's having medical medical issues thatare life altering, like can't leave her
house because she's trying to detransition.Well not really, but she's trying to
at least get off the hormones.But on my podcast, she said,
I I'm not a man. Sheknows she's not a man. She's never

(47:57):
claimed to be a man. Shebelieves in biology. But she said,
but I can't be a girl noweither. I look like a man,
Like I'm ruined. I mean toit to to to be a child and
go through this, and later inlife you you're like where were you mom
and dad? Right? And whatI've noticed is that then the trans community

(48:19):
wants to like denounce these people thatare coming out. You're not saying like
trans people don't exist, they're notsaying don't transition. They're just sharing their
experience, and then they're being calleda failure or they're being called a traitor,
like yeah. I thought we weresupposed to be uplifting these people,
and so so they're not on yourside now, yeah, they're coming out
with their experience that happened to benegative, just to warn people. I

(48:43):
mean, and then and then it'slike, well, gender has no look,
gender has no you know, uhspecifics, but yet what makes you
transitioning? They want you to goon hormones like or they want you to
get that surgery. It's like,well, I thought gender had no right
then why throw your hair out?If all women don't have long hair,

(49:04):
Why are you wearing fake lashes?If we don't have lashes, why are
ye makeup? Yeah? Yep.And then we have people like Dylan mulvaney
and who's getting interviewed by the Presidentof the United States, who's getting sponsored
by tampon brands. Why aren't theysponsoring homeless women that can't afford tampons?

(49:25):
Why are they not giving period productsto women in Nepaul that are being trafficked.
It's just like and then and thena biological man gets sponsored by a
tampon company, and then of coursehe gets backlash because that's freaking weird and
ridiculous. And then says, well, if you had a boyfriend or a

(49:47):
friend that you know had a tamponthat he held around for, you would
just gush over him. No,I wouldn't. I'd be like, why
did you Why do you have tampons? Yeah? Yeah, you cheating on
me with you. Also, you'dbe like, why don't you be a
man? Why don't you carry aroundcigars or something? I'm okay, so

(50:07):
embarrassed if like my friends boyfriend orsomething, or like a guy friend of
mine just said, oh, Ihave like tampons. If I was like,
oh, I need to go tothe bathroom real quick, and you're
like, oh, I have tamponsin there, I'd be like, You're
like, why are you so weirdthat it is? It really is,

(50:27):
you know. And then it's anotherthing I noticed is that he doesn't even
say like womanhood. He says girlhood. And there's also a video that just
went pretty viral of his where he'spretending to be Eloise in the Plaza Hotel
and is dressed up like a littlegirl in a skirt and a bow,
saying I'm Eloise, I'm six.And it's like, even if a woman,
like a biological woman would do thatit'd be a little creepy, right,

(50:50):
Yeah, encouraging trans kids to transition, you know, trans kids and
and be open about it. It'slike everything that he posts is literally push
for children. Yes, absolutely,And that's that's why I don't understand,
Like you can call them the transphobor homophobe or whatever, but what you're
doing is directed towards children, becauseyou don't need to indoctrinate grown adults to

(51:15):
change their gender. If they thinkthat they can change their gender, they're
grown adults. They've decided for themselves. So this bow and this cuteness and
this Barbie pouch crap, like,grown adults aren't buying it. So who
are you trying to indoctrinate into this? And it's children. So you know,
this is something that I'm pretty sureyou and I are going to continue

(51:35):
to speak out about and not apologizefor it, and it and you know,
biblical beliefs aside. This is forthe protection of kids. So I
mean, I'll get called every namein the book before I will shut up
about this. I mean, andlet's look and happen with the tragic,
the absolute tragedy that happened yesterday.You see this person took the lives of

(51:55):
innocent people, and they happen tobe trans they happened to not really be
comfortable in their own body, identifyingas a man and going into this with
such mental illness. And then Idon't know if you saw, but our
lovely president was talking about ice creamand laughing and they can jokes before he

(52:16):
decided to address these poor children thatwere murdered by somebody so mentally ill.
But it's the gun's fault. Theguns caught up, and now this person
needed help. They literally wrote asuicide note over Instagram to one of their
friends, so that they wanted todie, that they wanted to kill themselves,

(52:37):
that they just needed to die.And this is what happens. But
we don't address that because it doesn'tmatch their narrative. These doctors that are
making that are doing these surgeries,are making millions and millions of dollars like
that. Yes, absolutely, becauseyou have a mental illness or maybe you're
uncomfortable with your transition. Oh wedon't. That doesn't help our case.

(52:57):
We're not money, so get out. You're not mine. Yeah, you
know, well I'm you know,I am so refreshed to have someone with
your wisdom at such a young age, because I'm thinking, I'm forty two
and i just got in this fightthree years ago and I'm trying to kick
butt. But if you're gonna havetwenty years under your belt when you're my
age, you're gonna be saving theworld with Jesus. So where can let's

(53:22):
see people can find you on Instagramat Savannah Craven. I'll make sure that's
in the notes anywhere else that youwant people to follow you or support.
You know, the pro life movementBLEXIT Students for Life, So if you're
interested in starting your own pro lifegroup at your high school, you can
definitely contact me at s Craven atStudents for Life dot org. We have

(53:44):
over thirteen hundred pro life groups allacross the United States and we just started
two groups in Puerto Rico, sowe're really killing it. And I,
as I said in the beginning,I believe that creating a culture of life
starts in your schools, starts onthe parish level as well, and so
that's definitely something that we can helpyou get started if you're interested. And

(54:04):
also you can follow me on Twitterand get her at Savannah Craven five.
I'm on pretty much every platform,so yeay, awesome, okay, and
are you ready for your cheers?Sure? Okay, did you? I
always throw the cheers out? Doyou know what it is? I don't
know what it is? Okay,So get anything to drink at all,
whatever you want, like a couplewalks, and then okay, and then

(54:27):
you get to decide what we're cheersingtoo. Okay, So we are cheersing
to the sanctity and dignity of lifeand that one day all people will be
able to be born into this countryfreely. Good cheers all right, ladies
and gentlemen, the fabulous Savannah Craven, thank you so much for being on
and thank you for your fight.Thank you so much, Lindsay. Thanks

(54:50):
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