December 12, 2024 • 55 mins
Savannah Craven, from Students for Life, Blexit America & TurningPointUSA, comes onto the Patriot Barbie Podcast to discuss what is going wrong with our society concerning abortion and how it is actually "anti-woman." Tune in to hear this message as well as learn more about how you can get involved.
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Let's go.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Welcome to the Patriot Barbie Podcast. I'm your host, Lindsey Graham,
author and conservative activist. I love Jesus, I love America.
I'm a proud wife, mom of three, and I'm having
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In twenty twenty, I defied government lockdowns in Oregon, reopened
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guys know, a lot lot of my movement is based
in the pro life area. I have my own abortion
story that I've shared openly many many times. Oh gosh,
what we do for pro life is it can extend
to so many different areas. You know, donating to pro
life organizations, supporting companies that are pro life boycotting and
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blacklisting companies like Amazon that donate to send their employees
to get abortions. There's a lot that we can do.
Some people go out and actually advocate boots on the
ground rally speak. I do a little bit of that,
but my next guest on the podcast today is someone
that I repeatedly see boots on the grounds, megaphone in hand,
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doing what needs to be done and empowering women to
choose life and making sure that people are aware what
is happening with abortion. And one of my favorite clips
with her is on a show speaking about how a
mother had a child beaten to death over what seemed
to be a misunderstanding on a racial issue. And the
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boy was beaten to a bloody, bloody pulp and the
mother asked for an open casket, which was completely unheard of,
and she said, I want the world to know what
was done to my child. And it was Savannah calling for,
you know, the opening the casket on abortion and what
does it really really do to not just the babies,
what does it do to the mother. And it's a
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powerful concept because you know, society has just downplayed and
downgraded the abortion industry to it's not a baby, It's
just a fetus. And what we're seeing now is, you know,
the mutilation and murder of children, and it's hopefully getting
harder and harder for normal people to ignore. So I'm
excited to touch on, of course again, the pro life movement,
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and a little bit about Savannah is. Savannah Craven is
a pro life activist and conservative content creator. Over the
past two years, he's gained a social media following making
content on her TikTok as well as for Blexit America.
Blexit stands for the Black Exit from the Democratic Party,
founded by Candice Owens and officer Brandon Tatum. She's made
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content with Praeger Force and Live Action. Savannah has been
featured in The New York Times, The Washington Post, Impact
with ABC News on Hulu, Generations, documentary with MSNBC, Revolt
Black News, and more. Savannah is proud to represent Blecksit
America and Turning Point USA as an ambassador. She currently
resides in Manhattan, New York, and serves the community by
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starting new pro life groups across the Northeast and encouraging
young people to become strong pro life leaders. Savannah Welcome
to the Patriot Barbie Podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Thank you so much, Lindsey for having me. I'm very
excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You are so adorable. How in the world how old
are you?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I am twenty one years old?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Oh my gosh. I was like, now that I'm looking
at her, she's decently young, and I would have just yes,
like twenty five because I'm so old. I don't know
how old people are anymore. But I'm like, Okay, you're
really young. This is such an incredible resume for twenty one.
I hope you're proud of yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Thank you. Well, I couldn't be here without people like you,
and organizations like FlexIt and Turning Point for supporting me,
and just people believing me. You know, it takes a village.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So yeah, absolutely, yeah. Well I'm happy to uplift your voice.
We need young women like you saying hey, my my
entire generation says this is normal. It's not normal. I
don't know if you know this, but I live in Phoenix, Arizona,
and i've at twenty two, I had an abortion and
it you know, it's going to affect me the rest
of my life. I was driving down IT ten, which
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is our major major freeway, like five six lanes on
each side, and right up on this overpass was this huge,
like twenty foot banner that said abortion is normal. And
I got so pissed. I was like, all right, this
is either the Holy Spirit or it's me as a sinner.
But I pulled my car over, turned around, went up
on that walkway, and I ripped that banner down, crumpled
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it up, and brought it home. And I was like,
I don't care. I'm like, this is activism and or
jail time. But I'm like, you know what if one
girl drives by and is like, you know, deciding do
I or do I not kill my baby? Like I
don't want that to be there for her to be like, oh,
it was a sign it's normal, It's okay, and like crap,
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Like that is just the stuff that society is doing
to make abortion seem so laxadaisical. It's starting to really
piss us off. So I'm curious, like, of all of
the movements, what you know, what makes you so passionate
about abortion?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Sure, So it all started when I was around eleven
or twelve years old. I had a pro life group
come to my CCD pass and we were handed little
fetal models twelve week old fetal models, and there was
different colors, so I picked a little brown one and
throughout the day we were able to we were told
that we need to take care of our fetal model.
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We get got to name them, and throughout the day,
you know, on a twelve year old level, these people
explained life in the womb and being an only child,
I had never you know, experienced my mom being pregnant,
you know, with a sibling of mine. So this was
the first time I had ever seen something like this,
and I never really realized that I was a human
being even when I was in my mom right, It's
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kind of like this idea where you think a bird
drops us off on you know, steps, and so much
more than that. And you know, being raised a Christian,
being raised Catholic, I always valued life and we were
always taught that life was valuable at every stage, from
womb to tomb. So when I was in high school,
I started to, you know, hear the word abortion, and
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I always knew that it was bad, but I never
quite really understood what allways into it. And until I
had my very you know, own personal experience where my
best friend became pregnant our senior year of high school,
and she considered abortion. And although I didn't know her
super well, we had actually just become friends that year.
She was the first person. I was the first person
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that she told, and she told me, you know, I
can't do this. I'm gonna I'm going to get an abortion. Well,
growing up in South Carolina, it was you know, it's
not very common to have abortion facilities right in her neighborhoods,
so the closest facility is two hours away. And the
morning that she went to go drive her car to
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her appointment to Charleston, South Carolina, she had actually filled
up her tires with air the night before to make
sure she could make the drive. And she woke up
in the morning and one of her tires was completely flat.
Jesus help me from class. And I was in class
and I was like, well, I have to take this call.
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I mean, this is my friend and I need to
be there for her. And she called me. She said
I didn't go, and she was crying, and I was like,
oh my gosh, why didn't you go? And you know,
she told me what had happened, and she said that
this is the sign that I've been praying for and
now her sweet little boy, Omary is going to be
four this year, and it's just so crazy because I've
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watched her just blossom into this amazing mother. And although
it has not been easy, she took a circumstance that
society didn't exactly look at, you know, as ideal, and
she just is stronger than her circumstances. Women are stronger
than their circumstances. And now she lives in her own place,
she's got a good job, and we look back and
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we look at Omari and we sort of like, how
could you ever have thought? You know, she says, how
could I ever have thought to get rid of this
precious gift that is life? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I think the gosh. There's so many things about that
story that trigger ideas and statements. But society has told
women that children or a burden. And you know, I'm
a mom of three now, nine six and three, and
women joke all the time about like, ah, these kids
are driving me nuts. And and I'm starting to think
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do we stop making those jokes? Right? Like kids drive
us nuts? I'm sure Omari drives hurt his mother nuts.
But if we say those things, do other women who
don't have kids really think it's that terrible because what
society is saying is that you can have an abortion
and not be remorseful, and that your life will be easier,
or you'll it will be affordable and all these things.
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And what we know, what we know know is that
women who birth their children would never ever look at
that child and go, yeah, I wish I would have
aborted you never, So like that message isn't getting out
that And like you say, you triggered an idea that
I'd never even thought of, which is that you're an
only child and you've never seen like a baby in
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a womb and then be birthed, and then so many,
so many only children may may be completely cut off
from the idea that God creates us that conception because
they've never experienced that. But man, like, where do I
go with this? So I wonder too, like did she
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share with you I'm praying for a sign or was
that something she kept private between her and God?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, you know she had every now and then told
me that you know, I don't want to do this,
but abortion is normal in my family. I literally am
just trying to get my life together about to graduate,
how can I possibly have a child right now? And
that's what's so sad, and that's why Students for Life
is so important because all of this starts when people
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are children. We have to start educating when people's you know, humans,
start to understand things right and creating a culture of
life on your campus that be middle school, high school,
and college, especially because that's the group of people that
abortion is being pushed on the most, or trying to
make abortion pill vending machines or trying to make these
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abortion pills available in the school nurse's office because they're saying, well,
you couldn't possibly be a mom and have your degree,
You couldn't possibly have a successful career and be a mom.
And it's like, I mean, these people call themselves feminists.
It's like, well, you're literally being misogynistic right now. You're
telling a woman that she can't have a child and
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also pursue her goals. That's so anti woman. And so
you know, that's our job is to create that culture
of life and create that community of support on every
single campus that we can because society, social media is
telling women that they can't an abortion is telling women
that you can't do this and also have your dreams.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, that's such a good point. Women are probably stronger
than that's not the way God created us. We're not
actually physically stronger than men, but as far as being
able to create life in our bodies, sustain and feed
and nurture that life, and then when that life comes out,
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to be able to sustain and nurture that life with
our own body still for another couple of years is
one of the most incredible miracles that God has created.
And to say, great, you can do that, but you
can't do anything else, and not even like if you're single.
Even they're even telling women that are married, if you
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want a career or if you don't want to be
stuck at home doing laundry and dishes, like there's no
joy in that right, that this baby is going to
get in the way, when the real truth is that
this baby will be the best thing that's ever happened
to you, regardless of your financial situation, regardless of your
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marital or relationship situation, and regardless of what your career
is headed toward. And it's so weird that we see
all these empowered women who support abortion, but no one
in the media. You know, of course, the mainstream media
is highlighting powerful women, even like myself who has three
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kids and still has a career. Hello, Like, where that's
real women empowerment. We're not so weak, we can't micromanage,
we can do.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Anything exactly, and just it's really just starting from from
the high school age where you know they're pushing Oh well,
you know, if you're in high school, if you're sixteen fifteen,
you need to get on birth control. You need to
suppress your fertility. Your fertility is not a gift. It's
something that's going to get in the way of you
being able to just live freely. You know, we know
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what that means, instead of actually cultivating healthy and loving
relationships and understanding that not only if you're engaging in
hookup culture, are you, you know, putting yourself at the
possibility of getting pregnant with some that maybe you shouldn't
be having a you know, as the father or the
mother of your children. But you're also putting yourself at
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risk for like in the future, not being able to
really connect with people. Right, And some women are on
birth control for over thirty years and then they get
to that point where they've had their career, they've gotten everything,
you know, they've accomplished everything that they've wanted to and
now they want to start a family and they're having
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trouble even conceiving a child because we've been told that
injecting ourselves or just feeding ourselves these hormones for decades
is just normal, you know, when in allectuality, it's damaging
our minds and our bodies.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Right, I've had this idea tossing around in my head
for a few months, which is that the Bible is
God's you know, law. But it seems to me like
we've all had our fun disobeying the law, and some
laws are not as fun to disobey, and there are
you know, have a lot of consequences. But His law
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was written to protect us. And what we're seeing is
that the more we sexualize kids in junior high even
elementary school, teach women that it's empowering to sleep around.
But then at the same time, while you're empowering them
to sleep around, that's sleeping around would lead to pregnancy eventually.
But no, no, you don't want that. So why wouldn't
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we teach them maybe don't sleep around because your body
does this and it's a miracle, but if you're not
ready for that miracle, the smart thing to do would
be to not And God's law is there to protect us.
And I'm more and more becoming like a Quaker. I'm like,
if we could all just go back to living on
the prairie and eating like meat and vegetables, and nobody
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sleeps with anybody till they're married. I know that's not normal,
but these problems would all be solved, like they literally
would all be solved if we all obeyed God's word.
And I know it's twenty twenty three and that's never
going to happen, but why aren't we at least dropping
those kind of hints, like, Hey, I know it's kind
of prude to wait till you're married, but look at
all of the problems it would prevent if you did.
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Forget that it's a Christian belief right or a biblical belief.
What if you did, you wouldn't even need to worry
about birth control. You would need to worry about unplanned pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And chastity is looked at as something that is a
Christian view, and you know, many many Christians we do
share it, and God that's what God teaches. It's actually
it's a way of life to protect yourself. And it's
the greatest form of commitment to the person that you're
going to dedicate your life to because if you're willing
to wait for that person to commit to yourself to
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that person without engaging in that there, I mean the
strongest level of connection that you can you can bond
with somebody with. Right, this is the most vulnerable that
you can be with somebody. And we started looking at
it like that rather than something like you're holding back
from your partner, right, Yeah, looks at it as something
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like the greatest form of dedication and commitment. I think
would would be much more open to the idea of it.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, I agree. So I'm gonna ask you a question
that's gonna probably be kind of funny when I ask it.
But or and now that I've read a little bit
more of your your bio, your friend in high school?
Was she black?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay, So clearly you know Candice Owens talks about this often.
So does there's another like a politician, uh I think
her name Anyways, that that the genocide that is happening
with abortion is so immensely like dedicated to the black culture.
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So do you advocate on behalf of the black community
as far as being pro life and anti abortion, because
we know that black babies are being killed at a
much higher rate than white babies, and that just to
me seems incredible racist and the Democratic Party just is
immersed in it. So what is what is your role
or your opinion there on abortion in the black community.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Sure? Absolutely so. This is actually the reason that's you know,
sparked my activism and why I decided to make this
my career as I came across a video from Live Action,
who is actually done by my friend James O'Keefe with
OMG okay, and he did a video with them undercover
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calling planned parenthoods around the country asking me if he
could fund an abortion specifically on a black baby, and
every single one of them said yes, and not only
a yes, but it was like a confident yes. And
I started to do more research. And of course this
was during the time where I came back from New
York City from musical theater school and I was back
home in South Carolina and I just came across this video.
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Nothing to do really during COVID times, right and I
was like, well, why is Black Lives Matter not talking
about this. There's this higher organization dedicated to ending people
that look like me. Yet these organizations, all these riots
are happening, right, but there's no riots in the street
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for these black babies that are being murdered. And so
I started sharing this video with my friends, my family,
and they were like, oh, I had no idea about this.
And then I found out about Margaret Sanger, who's the
founder of Planned Parenthood, who was a proud racist and eugenicist,
and she literally wanted to end the black race. She
wanted to make one race. She talked about sending people
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that had disabilities and that were you know, black and
minorities on islands and having them living away from society.
She wanted to put birth control in the water system
so that when these minorities drink it, of course, you know,
they wouldn't be able to reproduce. And I was just
sitting here like, and this organization still exists, and we
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are giving half a billion dollars of our taxpayer dollars
to them every single year.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So everybody is well in some states, yes, okay, so
how is that happening? And I'm sorry if I'm asking
you questions that you don't know the answer to, But
I'm like, wait, how are we how are we funding
Planned parenthoud.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, it goes through a lot of different channels, and
I think it's it's hidden under a lot of different
names like reproductive you know, help everything, things like that,
women's health. They try to put it in through there.
But we have the High Amendment which actually helps stop
these abortions funding going toward our our taxpayer dollars, which
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Biden and many other politicians want to reverse obviously because
there's money going toward this. They don't want our money
going toward helping women have longer maternity leaves or getting
you know, mothers better pay. So you know, they're so.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
There's that, Yeah, so pro woman, Yeah, empowerment. So did
Margaret Singer And I've kind of heard this story, but
you seem to be very well versed. She founded Planned Parenthood.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, so this was originally you know, called the Negro
Project among other things, and basically she sent black pastors
into the black community and was giving them birth control.
And yeah, I mean it's it's just really really sad.
Black women are only about eight percent of the population,
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yet we're sold thirty six percent of abortions. That is
a city where I live, one and two black babies
were aborted in twenty nineteen. And you know, we have
to sit back and think, like, oh, why are we
the minority? Why are there so little Black people? And
it's like, because we've literally aborted over twenty million of them.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, well half you just said half the babies in
New York are are are are killed.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah. And I've we had pro abortion protesters, you know,
come up to me and say you're black, How in
the world could you be pro life? And I'm like,
do you think black women are incapable of being mothers?
Do you think that black men are not capable of
being good fathers? I mean, what are you trying to
place here? They think that just killing us is going
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to fix the issues with our community. You know, they
would rather end the lives of the people that are
suffering from an injustice rather than actually help.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Them, right, I mean, it's it's honestly, I'm trying to
I'm trying to figure out why I would even need
to say this, because some people are so incredibly dense,
mostly the left. But how is it not the most
racist belief in the world to say, how can you
be black and pro life? Like, hold on, did you
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just intermix somehow my skin color with whether or not
I should bur a child or should raise a child?
Like exactly, it doesn't even make sense to me. If anything,
it screams, hey, your skin color makes you so incapable
and so not financially fit or career oriented that you
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shouldn't even have kids because you're black. I mean, that's
basically what the left is saying, right.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So it's so crazy because they're so hYP hypocritical because
then they'll go and just you know, gush over people
like Rihanna, who literally is pregnant and performed at the
Super Bowl. I mean, how is that's the most you know,
pro woman, pro life performance I've ever seen. It's like,
this girl's up on a stage like a thousand feet
in the air, you know, singing her lungs child, yeah,
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with the child inside of her, you know, And then
we uplift people like Michelle Obama that was the first
lady and has children and was doing a job as
big as that. Yet you can't tell a girl going
to school that she can have a child. You can't
tell a woman that she could be a nurse or
be an actress and also be a mom. It's just
it's just so hypocritical to me. And then of course
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they'll offer up that three hundred five hundred dollars as
soon as she gets pregnant, right and says, well, you
can just go get an abortion take care of it.
No ways, we're not going to help you with diapers
or food or you know, help you with with after
school care.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, I mean, if you choose, if you choose life,
which is at sometimes the harder decision and the harder
road where is planned parenthood to say all right, well,
we kind of wish you would have killed your kid,
but since you didn't, here's help they would rather, I
mean bye, Like exactly, it's so disappointing, it's so sad.
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So do you tell me about I watched a reel
recently where a white girl was screaming at you that
she hates white people, and it was about abortion. So
I'm like, oh, onm, is this a LM rally or
is this a pro life rally? Which is it?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes? So that was at the International Walk for Life
in New York City last Saturday, and this woman I
see very very often outside of Planned Parenthood when the
group at Saint Patrick's Basilica goes over every first Saturday
in the month and we pray the Rosary over to
the Planned Parenthood and then a lot of us sidewalk Council,
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which means we hand out local pregnancy resource centers to
moms walking in, and this woman sees me a lot,
but this is the first time she actually spoke to me.
And she made a comment to me that I was
standing with a bunch of white boys, which I don't
know why that was an issue, but apparently it really
triggered her. And I said, why do you have such
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a problem with white men? And then she went on
to say, like they have the most power in this country.
I hate white people, and I'm white, so I can
say that something like that. And then I said, oh, well,
do you hate black people too, since you're out here
advocating for killing their babies? And she says, no, I
wish I was black. Why a woman want to be
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a part of a community that's the most oppressed and incapable.
I have no idea, But here we go.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Right according to your own logic, Like we shouldn't even
sing the national anthem because we're so oppressed. But you
wish you were.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Me, I know. And it's like you should just look
at someone and just assume because they're white or because
they're black, that they've had every same experience as another
person the same color as them. You know, I'm somebody
who I really have never received racism from white people.
It's actually been more from black people, you know, calling
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me Uncle Tom, saying that I'm not black enough because
I have a white mother. The fact that I'm conservative,
or that I'm Christian, you know that I serve you know,
the white man, or I dance for the white man.
And it's like, no, Actually, I was raised by a
very strong single mother that told me I could think
whatever I wanted to as long as I could back
(28:54):
it up with facts. And I just came to know
that God is the truth. Uh, you know, conservative values
are the truth, and being pro life is the truth
because you have you cannot value life at any stage
if you don't value it from the moment it begins.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Absolutely, I write, somebody write that down. I watched a
Chicago Chicago p D. It's a show, you know, all
the Chicago's and I can't watch anything as blind entertainment anymore.
I've got to see like the underlying you know, propaganda
(29:32):
and everything. This show is very non woke and which
I appreciate. Yeah, so quick, rundown this This was spread
out over four episodes, but in one of the episodes,
two of the police officers are sleeping together and she
gets pregnant. Well, then of course there's a discussion about
what do we do, and I'm like, better, this show
(29:53):
better not advocate for abortion, and she says it's not
the right time. I'm not ready. I think that I
think I should just have an emotion.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So I'm not sure what.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh so she anyway, she then worked with a victim
who went on to say that thank you for saving
my son. He's the best thing that's ever happened. I
don't want to do without him. So I'm like, oh,
here we go. So of course she realized I think
I better. I think I better have this child. I
don't want to have regrets, and she says, quote, I
don't want to have regrets. So then she decides. So
now we've got an episode where she says, you know,
(30:27):
according to propaganda, this child is not a child. I
get to decide it's worth and I've decided that it
doesn't deserve to live. Right, And now she says, Okay,
I do think I want this child. It does deserve
to live, and as it's mother, I'm choosing to give
it life. Okay, great, moving on. She's pregnant, she needs
to be on desk duty. She pursues a criminal that
(30:49):
she shouldn't, She gets beat up, she miscarries, and now
we're at a scene in the hospital where she is
beyond devastated. And I've had three miscarriages, so I, you know,
completely can relate to what that feels like. And she
is crying, devastated, she's stoic, she's like a zombie. She
has lost the baby. And now we're at a situation
(31:11):
where she was excited to be a mother. She saw
value in her child's life. She was planning a life
in a future with that child, and now it's gone
and it's hurtful, and I went, oh my gosh, this
whole three episodes. This child's life is determined by her
feelings at the moment, and how can we live like that?
Because she went through I don't want you, I want you.
(31:34):
Now you're gone, and it's absolutely devastated me. And I'm like,
hold on, two episodes ago, she was going to kill
you herself. So we've just determined that a mother's feelings
towards her infant in her stomach can change, I mean
day to day, hour to hour.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
And that we such a dangerous thought process because it's like,
look at all the mistakes that we've made in our history,
just in this country, when we looked at a group
of people and said, well, you're not really as human
as this other group of people or were We don't,
we're not. We're going to classify you as three fists
of a person, right And I'm not trying to compare,
you know, abortion to slavery, but they these two injustices
(32:13):
happen for the same reason. We looked at a group
of people and we said, you're not as worthy as
this comple So therefore we can do whatever we want
to you. We can we can sell you, we can
use you however we want. And you know, we we
recognize that slavery was wrong, it was inhumane, and so
that's we abolished it. Right right now, we have abortion,
(32:36):
which is another form of dehumanization. It's people in the
womb that just because they're not fully developed, which I
always like to say, I'm not fully developed because your
brain actually doesn't fully develop until twenty five. So does
that mean I'm less of a person than somebody that's
older than twenty five? Of course not right. But we say, well,
you're dependent on somebody else, so we can, we can
(32:56):
do whatever we want with you. But then if you're wanted,
then it's a baby. But if it's not wanted, it's
it's just a fenus or it's just a clumpless cells
like you is not reality, Like that's so dangerous, and
this is all in the name of choice. We just say, well,
it's a woman's choice. It's a woman's choice to do whatever.
(33:17):
But it's like, I honestly think that abortion is for men,
because I think it was designed for men, because it
literally is just an easy way out right. We put
it on the woman. We say, well, it's your body,
it's your choice, you can do whatever. And so the
men that go around and you know, use women can
just hand over that three hundred dollars and say well
I don't want to be the father, right, so here
(33:38):
you go. Peace out later, Yeah, and now this woman
is left alone and she's being told that it's better
for her to just kill her child than it would
be for her to actually seek out resources and have
a community to help her and to lift her.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, and the pro choice argument has never really worked
for me, Like it's a woman's choice, and it's like, yeah,
she had three to four pretty good choices before this happened.
And again, I know it's twenty twenty three, but she
could have chosen not to sleep with him, she could
have chosen to use protection, she could have chosen to
(34:16):
be on birth control. She had choices, and she made
those choices, and it led to this. And I don't
like the word consequence because a baby is not a consequence.
But it led to this circumstance. She chose to do
all of the things that led up to this circumstance,
and now she wants that one choice to be able
to kill her baby. She had choices. No one is
(34:39):
taking away her choices. Those choices to be on birth
control or not have sex or whatever are still there.
No one is taking those away. It's just it's ah,
it's madding.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah. And you know the thing is is that every
action has a reaction. And not only you know, when
you lay down and sleep with someone, are you risking
the possibility of getting pregnant, but you're also risking the
possibility of getting STIs and things like that. Every it's
like playing the lottery. When you play the lottery, you
consent to win and you also consent to lose. So
(35:13):
we know that if you are engaging in heterosexual sex,
that you have the possibility of getting pregnant. And if
you don't know that, then you should not be having sex.
I mean, that's just.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And that's all. But they do know that, Like there
is no one that's like, I didn't know I could
get pregnant from sex. They're teaching it in freaking sixth
grade now. So like other than the point zero one
percentage of young girls that you know were raped or whatever,
which is just a terribly sad statistic that didn't know
(35:48):
their bodies other than those, if you're having sex, you're
aware that that's how babies are made. Every female that
is having sex knows this is how children are made.
I mean, I remember being a kid, and I was
raised in a really devout Christian home. I mean I
remember before sex, said thinking I think you can get
pregnant from kissing, no kissing, Like, hey, like you you
(36:10):
didn't know. The minute you're mature enough to make that decision,
you are aware of what happens. And so every woman,
every female has except for that point zh one percent,
knows that what they're doing could lead to a baby,
and they have made multiple choices up until that point
to conceive.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
That child exactly. And even in that you know, point
zero one percent, we still recognize that those women matter.
But let's look at it like this. This is a
pro life perspective, and this is what I always say
in cases of sexual assault, is is her getting an
abortion if she does conceive in that situation, Is that
going to erase the trauma that's been afflicted on her,
(36:54):
not going to make her forget? Absolutely not. People that
have been taken advantage of and used in any way,
we'll never forget that. And an abortion is basically just
a band aid. It covers up that invisible scar that's
been inflicted on her, and it's just another traumatic experience.
(37:14):
It's another act of violence that's not going to solve anything.
And as pro life as we never tell women that
they have to parent that they have to be a mother, right,
But with her choosing life for that baby, which is
so such a such a gracious thing to do, and
it's it's gonna be hard, we know that, But there's
an entire movement here ready to support her in any
(37:35):
way that she needs to give that child a choice,
you know, and and to live and to have that
opportunity to have their life. Right, if we look at
every single person as a gift, no matter how they
came to be, we would have just more respect for
people all around. Right, And there's so many people out
(37:56):
there that we walk past on the street that they
could have been rape. How are you going to tell
them that they're less worthy of life or that they
would have been better off dead just because of the
way they were conceived. It's horrible.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And how could they ever tell themselves that, like, oh,
because of how my mother got pregnant, I wish I'd
never been born. They would never believe that about themselves.
So why in the world would we spread the message
that a baby's life matters only if the mother and
father made the baby out of love and woodlock, I
mean all of those things, And gosh, you say so
(38:35):
many good things and then I I'm like, oh, yeah,
I don't want to touch on it. Oh you know,
we're missing the entire I mean, the entire biblical basis
of this belief. And that's why when when women give
birth to their child, even if that child was conceived
in rape, I would I would guess that when that
(38:58):
baby comes out, that uncontrollable, instinctual, natural gift that God
gave us to love our child, she would look at
that child and no matter how it was created, that
would be God turning that horrible event into good. Right.
We believe in Romans eight that God turns all things
(39:20):
to good for those who love him. If a woman
was raped and she made the rest of her life
wonder why did that happen to me? If she conceived
and gave birth, that child would be a blessing or
a gift to the family that adopted him or her,
or that woman would give birth and go, oh my gosh,
despite how this baby came to me, this is the
(39:43):
best thing that's ever happened. And I praise God for
this baby. But we don't have a culture that loves, appreciates, respects,
or even recognizes what God can do with something that
horrible and we can change politics and legislation and bills
and propaganda. But if everybody in America believed in God again,
(40:07):
we wouldn't be having this podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, exactly. And the thing is is why a lot
of these people think this way and why they can't
value others is because they don't even value themselves. I mean,
I'm among a generation that is, what is it like?
Over over sixty percent of us identify with one of
the LGBTQ plus. We don't know our gender, we don't
(40:31):
really know who we really are. We're confused, we feel
unhappy in our own body. So how if I don't
even feel secure with myself, I don't even see myself
as valuable. How in the world could I see somebody
that I can't even see as valuable? Right? Yeah? How
could I care about someone that I don't know that
(40:52):
I can't see? Like? This is the problem. And so
if we started teaching kids from the very beginning, when
they start to even understand things that you are valuable.
How you are born, you don't fix anything about yourself.
You were born perfectly because God created you. He knew
you before he formed you in the womb, and you
(41:12):
were irreplaceable. Literally, each one of us are irreplaceable. You
cannot repeat anyone, you know. And so we're all so
unique and we're so perfect in God's eyes. And it's
just so sad to see so many of my peers
and people my age so confused and feel so worthless
in their own bodies.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, and I know that you speak out a little
bit on kind of the trans movement in children too,
and I think you just touched on that is that
not only are we not teaching people your age or
kids to value babies in the womb, but to value
even their own identity that, like you know, you are
incredibly uniquely made. But we're not teaching that right because
(41:54):
that would be a god belief unless somebody can scientifically
prove that each person is. I mean, they can't with DNA.
But these kids, they're not being taught that. They're being
taught that there's an endless amount of genders and then
you could change it. And how can we expect them
to value life? They can't even stop to appreciate their
own life in the way that it was formed, which
(42:15):
is from a master creator who picked every hair on
her head and loves us, you know, unconditionally.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Exactly, and one of them. You know, I was growing up.
I mean it wasn't I was in high school not
too long ago, and you know, there were tomboys, there
were people that were gay and lesbian and whatever. But
it's it's just to think like, oh, I don't really
like wearing pink, or I don't like wearing flowery dresses,
so I just must be transgender or it's just crazy,
(42:43):
you know, and we I always I always use this comparison.
What if your child had come to you and said,
you know, mom, I don't feel like my right foot
should be on my body. Like most parents, I would
say ninety nine point nine percent of parents would say, Okay,
that's not normal. Let's get you to a doctor and
see what's going on. But then now your son comes
(43:05):
to you and says, mom, I don't think my penis
should be on my body. They're just sending them right
in there as young as thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old
and just literally mutilating their bodies something that cannot be undone. Yeah,
and we're seeing now I've been watching this week, following
up on the viral clip of one of the most
(43:26):
well known I think the most well known transgender kids
Jazz Jennings, who started to transition into a girl at
age five I believe it was, and got on hormone
blockers when she was only eleven years old, So this
was in her private parts not fully developing. And when
(43:50):
she went to go and have the transformative surgery to
get her penis formed into a vagina, she had to
get it done four times because there was not enough skin.
There was not enough skin built up around the area,
and they had to do it four times. And she's
Actually her mom has spoken out about the fact that
she has to dilate every single day because this hole
(44:13):
that is essentially an open wound, it's trying to heal
itself because that's what our bodies naturally do, is closing up.
In a recent video, she says to her mom, I
never feel like myself ever. I don't know who I am.
So we have this child that was exploited online since
they were five years old, five six years old, has
(44:36):
the whole world watching their entire life. Maybe this child
was confused at five or six, but in reality, these
parents didn't take the authority that they needed to take.
They didn't say, well, that's fine if you feel that way.
But they literally said, oh well, let's get you on
these hormones. I mean she was basically an experiment. Yeah, yeah,
(44:59):
the and for these people, and now we have her.
Now she's got binge eating disorder, she is very overweight.
She's had to have this destructive surgery four times. This
is a surgery that's only supposed to be doing one time.
She's basically a guinea pig.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
And she's a he. So he's a heat yeah yeah,
so he has mutilated his penis. He can never get
a woman pregnant, he can never have normal sex like
a male. And you know, I interviewed also, by the way,
to put this on national TV for the entire world
(45:36):
to see is so vile. I hope that he sues
his parents at some point for not being the parents
that they should have been and protecting him. But you know,
once this is done, he can also not probably ever
go back to being a normal male either. So and
that is ruined.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I feel so bad because this person, Oh what are
they to do? Like, yeah, I mean at this point,
this person, he she looks like a woman, a developed woman,
and is not is expressing. I never feel like myself ever,
and we don't talk about the long term effects. And
(46:17):
now we're starting to see this, we're starting to see
that this comes out. I don't care if you're seventeen
and your birthday is tomorrow, you're not a consenting adult.
And this child was exploited their entire life. They were
taken advantage of and just displayed, you know, and their parents.
I remember because Jazz and I are the same age,
and so I remember seeing this video on YouTube when
(46:39):
I was like eleven years old and thinking, transgender child,
How is even possible? You know, and it's it's horrible.
And so now this person suffers with anxiety depression. Yet
they were they're telling it like they're making the surgery
seem like it is life.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Changing, and he's like, oh, I get to finally be
a girl.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
And and then yes, we see the long term effects
starting to come out.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Well, I feel bad that there's probably a handful five
to ten people right now in the movement that are
speaking out that are detransitioning. They I mean, they had
to sacrifice their life to experience this to speak out
against it. But I had Matt Ray on my podcast
about a month and a half ago she transitioned into
(47:29):
a male as an adult, consenting, et cetera, et cetera.
But she had so many issues with her testosterone she
had to get off of it. And now she's having
medical medical issues that are life altering, like can't leave
her house because she's trying to detransition. Well not really,
but she's trying to at least get off the hormones.
(47:50):
But on my podcast, she said, I I'm not a man.
She knows she's not a man, she's never claimed to
be a man. She believes in biology. But she said,
but I can't be a girl now either. I look
like a man, Like I'm ruined. I mean to it
to to be a child and go through this and
(48:11):
later in life you're like, where were you mom and dad?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Right? Mean, And what I've noticed is that then the
trans community wants to like denounce these people that are
coming out. You're not saying like trans people don't exist,
they're not saying don't transition. They're just sharing their experience,
and then they're being called a failure or they're being
called a trader. Like I thought we were supposed to
be uplifting these people, right, And so they're.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Not on your side.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Now they're coming out with their experience that happened to
be negative, just to warn people. I mean, and then
and then it's like, well, gender has no look, gender
has no you know, uh specifics. But yet they wanted
you to go on hormones or they want you to
(48:58):
get that surgery. It's like, well, I thought gender had no.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Right, so then why didn't throw your hair out? If
all women don't have long hair, why are you wearing
fake lashes? If we don't have lashes, why are ye makeup?
I'll wear makeup, yeah ye.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
And then we have people like Dylan mulvaney who's getting
interviewed by the President of the United States, who's getting
sponsored by tampon brands. Why aren't they sponsoring homeless women
that can't afford tampons? Why are they not giving period
products to women in Nepaul that are being trafficked. It's
(49:32):
just like and then and then a biological man gets
sponsored by a tampon company, and then of course he
gets backlash because that's freaking weird and ridiculous. And then says, well,
if you had a boyfriend or a friend that you
know had a tampon that he held around for you
would just gush over him. No, I wouldn't. I'd be like,
(49:55):
why did you Why do you have tampons?
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah? Yeah, cheating on me with your Also, you'd be like,
why don't you be a man, Why don't you carry
around cigars or something? I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I would be so embarrassed if like my friend's boyfriend
or something, or like a guy friend of mine just said, oh,
I have like tampons. If I was like, oh, you
need to go to the bathroom real quick, and you're like, oh,
I have tampons in there, I'd be like.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
You're like, why are you so weird?
Speaker 2 (50:24):
That's what it is, it really is, you know. And
then it's another thing I noticed is that he doesn't
even say like womanhood. He says girlhood. And there's also
a video that just went pretty viral of his where
he's pretending to be Eloise in the Plaza Hotel and
is dressed up like a little girl in a skirt
and a bow, saying I'm Eloise, I'm six. And it's like,
(50:45):
even if a woman, like a biological woman would do that,
it'd be a little creepy, right, yeah. Encouraging trans kids
to transition, you know, trans kids, and and be open
about it. It's like everything that he posts is literally
push for children.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yes, absolutely, and that's why I don't understand, Like you
can call me transphob or homophobe or whatever, but what
you're doing is directed towards children because you don't need
to indoctrinate grown adults to change their gender. If they
think that they can change their gender, they're grown adults.
They've decided for themselves. So this bo and this cuteness
and this Barbie pouch crap, like, grown adults aren't buying it.
(51:28):
So who are you trying to indoctrinate into this? And
it's children. So you know, this is something that I'm
pretty sure you and I are going to continue to
speak out about and not apologize for it, and it
and you know, biblical beliefs aside. This is for the
protection of kids. So I mean, I'll get called every
name in the book before I will shut up about this.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I mean, and let's look at happen with the tragic,
the absolute tragedy that happened yesterday. You see, this person
took the lives of innocent people and they happen to
be trans. They happened to not really be comfortable in
their own body, identifying as a man and going into
this with such mental illness. And then I don't know
(52:11):
if you saw, but our lovely president was talking about
ice cream and laughing and making jokes before he decided
to address these poor children that were murdered by somebody
so mentally ill. But it's the gun's fault, the gun
that's brought up, and now this person needed help. They
literally wrote a suicide note over Instagram to one of
(52:34):
their friends, so that they wanted to die, that they
wanted to kill themselves, that they just needed to die.
And this is what happens. But we don't address that
because it doesn't match their narrative. These authors that are
making that are doing these surgeries are making millions and
millions of dollars like that. Yes, absolutely, because you have
a mental illness or maybe you're uncomfortable with your transition.
(52:55):
Oh we don't. That doesn't help our case.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
We're not money, so get out, you're not mine. Yeah,
you know, well, I'm you know, I am so refreshed
to have someone with your wisdom at such a young age,
because I'm thinking, I'm forty two and I just got
in this fight three years ago and I'm trying to
kick butt. But if you're gonna have twenty years under
your belt when you're my age, you're going to be
(53:18):
saving the world with Jesus. So where can let's see,
people can find you on Instagram at Savannah Craven. I'll
make sure that's in the notes. Anywhere else that you
want be able to follow you or support, you know,
the pro life movement, BLEXIT, Students for Life any.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
So, if you're interested in starting your own pro life
group at your high school, you can definitely contact me
at s Craven at Students Forlife dot org. We have
over thirteen hundred pro life groups all across the United
States and we just started two groups in Puerto Rico,
so we're really killing it. And I, as I said
in the beginning, I believe that creating a culture of
(53:55):
life starts in your schools, starts on the parish level
as well, and so it's definitely something that we can
help you get started if you're interested. And also you
can follow me on Twitter and get her at Savannah
Craven five. I'm on pretty much every platform, so.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yay, awesome, okay, and are you ready for your cheers?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Sure? Okay?
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Did I always throw the cheers out? Do you know
what it is?
Speaker 2 (54:19):
I don't know what it is?
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Okay, So get anything to drink at all, whatever you want,
like a couple walks, and then oh cute, and then
you get to decide what we're cheersing too.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Okay, So we are cheers ing to the sanctity and
dignity of life and that one day all people will
be able to be born into this country freely.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Ooh good cheers all right, ladies and gentlemen. The fabulous
Savannah Craven, thank you so much for being on and
thank you for your fight.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Thank you so much, Lindsey.
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Let's go.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Welcome to the Patriot Barbie Podcast. I'm your host, Lindsey Graham,
author and conservative activist. I love Jesus, I love America.
I'm a proud wife, mom of three, and I'm having
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In twenty twenty, I defied government lockdowns in Oregon, reopened
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guys know, a lot lot of my movement is based
in the pro life area. I have my own abortion
story that I've shared openly many many times. Oh gosh,
what we do for pro life is it can extend
to so many different areas. You know, donating to pro
life organizations, supporting companies that are pro life boycotting and
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blacklisting companies like Amazon that donate to send their employees
to get abortions. There's a lot that we can do.
Some people go out and actually advocate boots on the
ground rally speak. I do a little bit of that,
but my next guest on the podcast today is someone
that I repeatedly see boots on the grounds, megaphone in hand,
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doing what needs to be done and empowering women to
choose life and making sure that people are aware what
is happening with abortion. And one of my favorite clips
with her is on a show speaking about how a
mother had a child beaten to death over what seemed
to be a misunderstanding on a racial issue. And the
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boy was beaten to a bloody, bloody pulp and the
mother asked for an open casket, which was completely unheard of,
and she said, I want the world to know what
was done to my child. And it was Savannah calling for,
you know, the opening the casket on abortion and what
does it really really do to not just the babies,
what does it do to the mother. And it's a
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powerful concept because you know, society has just downplayed and
downgraded the abortion industry to it's not a baby, It's
just a fetus. And what we're seeing now is, you know,
the mutilation and murder of children, and it's hopefully getting
harder and harder for normal people to ignore. So I'm
excited to touch on, of course again, the pro life movement,
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and a little bit about Savannah is. Savannah Craven is
a pro life activist and conservative content creator. Over the
past two years, he's gained a social media following making
content on her TikTok as well as for Blexit America.
Blexit stands for the Black Exit from the Democratic Party,
founded by Candice Owens and officer Brandon Tatum. She's made
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content with Praeger Force and Live Action. Savannah has been
featured in The New York Times, The Washington Post, Impact
with ABC News on Hulu, Generations, documentary with MSNBC, Revolt
Black News, and more. Savannah is proud to represent Blecksit
America and Turning Point USA as an ambassador. She currently
resides in Manhattan, New York, and serves the community by
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starting new pro life groups across the Northeast and encouraging
young people to become strong pro life leaders. Savannah Welcome
to the Patriot Barbie Podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Thank you so much, Lindsey for having me. I'm very
excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You are so adorable. How in the world how old
are you?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I am twenty one years old?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Oh my gosh. I was like, now that I'm looking
at her, she's decently young, and I would have just yes,
like twenty five because I'm so old. I don't know
how old people are anymore. But I'm like, Okay, you're
really young. This is such an incredible resume for twenty one.
I hope you're proud of yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Thank you. Well, I couldn't be here without people like you,
and organizations like FlexIt and Turning Point for supporting me,
and just people believing me. You know, it takes a village.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So yeah, absolutely, yeah. Well I'm happy to uplift your voice.
We need young women like you saying hey, my my
entire generation says this is normal. It's not normal. I
don't know if you know this, but I live in Phoenix, Arizona,
and i've at twenty two, I had an abortion and
it you know, it's going to affect me the rest
of my life. I was driving down IT ten, which
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is our major major freeway, like five six lanes on
each side, and right up on this overpass was this huge,
like twenty foot banner that said abortion is normal. And
I got so pissed. I was like, all right, this
is either the Holy Spirit or it's me as a sinner.
But I pulled my car over, turned around, went up
on that walkway, and I ripped that banner down, crumpled
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it up, and brought it home. And I was like,
I don't care. I'm like, this is activism and or
jail time. But I'm like, you know what if one
girl drives by and is like, you know, deciding do
I or do I not kill my baby? Like I
don't want that to be there for her to be like, oh,
it was a sign it's normal, It's okay, and like crap,
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Like that is just the stuff that society is doing
to make abortion seem so laxadaisical. It's starting to really
piss us off. So I'm curious, like, of all of
the movements, what you know, what makes you so passionate
about abortion?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Sure, So it all started when I was around eleven
or twelve years old. I had a pro life group
come to my CCD pass and we were handed little
fetal models twelve week old fetal models, and there was
different colors, so I picked a little brown one and
throughout the day we were able to we were told
that we need to take care of our fetal model.
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We get got to name them, and throughout the day,
you know, on a twelve year old level, these people
explained life in the womb and being an only child,
I had never you know, experienced my mom being pregnant,
you know, with a sibling of mine. So this was
the first time I had ever seen something like this,
and I never really realized that I was a human
being even when I was in my mom right, It's
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kind of like this idea where you think a bird
drops us off on you know, steps, and so much
more than that. And you know, being raised a Christian,
being raised Catholic, I always valued life and we were
always taught that life was valuable at every stage, from
womb to tomb. So when I was in high school,
I started to, you know, hear the word abortion, and
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I always knew that it was bad, but I never
quite really understood what allways into it. And until I
had my very you know, own personal experience where my
best friend became pregnant our senior year of high school,
and she considered abortion. And although I didn't know her
super well, we had actually just become friends that year.
She was the first person. I was the first person
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that she told, and she told me, you know, I
can't do this. I'm gonna I'm going to get an abortion. Well,
growing up in South Carolina, it was you know, it's
not very common to have abortion facilities right in her neighborhoods,
so the closest facility is two hours away. And the
morning that she went to go drive her car to
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her appointment to Charleston, South Carolina, she had actually filled
up her tires with air the night before to make
sure she could make the drive. And she woke up
in the morning and one of her tires was completely flat.
Jesus help me from class. And I was in class
and I was like, well, I have to take this call.
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I mean, this is my friend and I need to
be there for her. And she called me. She said
I didn't go, and she was crying, and I was like,
oh my gosh, why didn't you go? And you know,
she told me what had happened, and she said that
this is the sign that I've been praying for and
now her sweet little boy, Omary is going to be
four this year, and it's just so crazy because I've
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watched her just blossom into this amazing mother. And although
it has not been easy, she took a circumstance that
society didn't exactly look at, you know, as ideal, and
she just is stronger than her circumstances. Women are stronger
than their circumstances. And now she lives in her own place,
she's got a good job, and we look back and
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we look at Omari and we sort of like, how
could you ever have thought? You know, she says, how
could I ever have thought to get rid of this
precious gift that is life? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I think the gosh. There's so many things about that
story that trigger ideas and statements. But society has told
women that children or a burden. And you know, I'm
a mom of three now, nine six and three, and
women joke all the time about like, ah, these kids
are driving me nuts. And and I'm starting to think
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do we stop making those jokes? Right? Like kids drive
us nuts? I'm sure Omari drives hurt his mother nuts.
But if we say those things, do other women who
don't have kids really think it's that terrible because what
society is saying is that you can have an abortion
and not be remorseful, and that your life will be easier,
or you'll it will be affordable and all these things.
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And what we know, what we know know is that
women who birth their children would never ever look at
that child and go, yeah, I wish I would have
aborted you never, So like that message isn't getting out
that And like you say, you triggered an idea that
I'd never even thought of, which is that you're an
only child and you've never seen like a baby in
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a womb and then be birthed, and then so many,
so many only children may may be completely cut off
from the idea that God creates us that conception because
they've never experienced that. But man, like, where do I
go with this? So I wonder too, like did she
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share with you I'm praying for a sign or was
that something she kept private between her and God?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, you know she had every now and then told
me that you know, I don't want to do this,
but abortion is normal in my family. I literally am
just trying to get my life together about to graduate,
how can I possibly have a child right now? And
that's what's so sad, and that's why Students for Life
is so important because all of this starts when people
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are children. We have to start educating when people's you know, humans,
start to understand things right and creating a culture of
life on your campus that be middle school, high school,
and college, especially because that's the group of people that
abortion is being pushed on the most, or trying to
make abortion pill vending machines or trying to make these
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abortion pills available in the school nurse's office because they're saying, well,
you couldn't possibly be a mom and have your degree,
You couldn't possibly have a successful career and be a mom.
And it's like, I mean, these people call themselves feminists.
It's like, well, you're literally being misogynistic right now. You're
telling a woman that she can't have a child and
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also pursue her goals. That's so anti woman. And so
you know, that's our job is to create that culture
of life and create that community of support on every
single campus that we can because society, social media is
telling women that they can't an abortion is telling women
that you can't do this and also have your dreams.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, that's such a good point. Women are probably stronger
than that's not the way God created us. We're not
actually physically stronger than men, but as far as being
able to create life in our bodies, sustain and feed
and nurture that life, and then when that life comes out,
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to be able to sustain and nurture that life with
our own body still for another couple of years is
one of the most incredible miracles that God has created.
And to say, great, you can do that, but you
can't do anything else, and not even like if you're single.
Even they're even telling women that are married, if you
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want a career or if you don't want to be
stuck at home doing laundry and dishes, like there's no
joy in that right, that this baby is going to
get in the way, when the real truth is that
this baby will be the best thing that's ever happened
to you, regardless of your financial situation, regardless of your
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marital or relationship situation, and regardless of what your career
is headed toward. And it's so weird that we see
all these empowered women who support abortion, but no one
in the media. You know, of course, the mainstream media
is highlighting powerful women, even like myself who has three
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kids and still has a career. Hello, Like, where that's
real women empowerment. We're not so weak, we can't micromanage,
we can do.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Anything exactly, and just it's really just starting from from
the high school age where you know they're pushing Oh well,
you know, if you're in high school, if you're sixteen fifteen,
you need to get on birth control. You need to
suppress your fertility. Your fertility is not a gift. It's
something that's going to get in the way of you
being able to just live freely. You know, we know
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what that means, instead of actually cultivating healthy and loving
relationships and understanding that not only if you're engaging in
hookup culture, are you, you know, putting yourself at the
possibility of getting pregnant with some that maybe you shouldn't
be having a you know, as the father or the
mother of your children. But you're also putting yourself at
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risk for like in the future, not being able to
really connect with people. Right, And some women are on
birth control for over thirty years and then they get
to that point where they've had their career, they've gotten everything,
you know, they've accomplished everything that they've wanted to and
now they want to start a family and they're having
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trouble even conceiving a child because we've been told that
injecting ourselves or just feeding ourselves these hormones for decades
is just normal, you know, when in allectuality, it's damaging
our minds and our bodies.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Right, I've had this idea tossing around in my head
for a few months, which is that the Bible is
God's you know, law. But it seems to me like
we've all had our fun disobeying the law, and some
laws are not as fun to disobey, and there are
you know, have a lot of consequences. But His law
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was written to protect us. And what we're seeing is
that the more we sexualize kids in junior high even
elementary school, teach women that it's empowering to sleep around.
But then at the same time, while you're empowering them
to sleep around, that's sleeping around would lead to pregnancy eventually.
But no, no, you don't want that. So why wouldn't
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we teach them maybe don't sleep around because your body
does this and it's a miracle, but if you're not
ready for that miracle, the smart thing to do would
be to not And God's law is there to protect us.
And I'm more and more becoming like a Quaker. I'm like,
if we could all just go back to living on
the prairie and eating like meat and vegetables, and nobody
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sleeps with anybody till they're married. I know that's not normal,
but these problems would all be solved, like they literally
would all be solved if we all obeyed God's word.
And I know it's twenty twenty three and that's never
going to happen, but why aren't we at least dropping
those kind of hints, like, Hey, I know it's kind
of prude to wait till you're married, but look at
all of the problems it would prevent if you did.
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Forget that it's a Christian belief right or a biblical belief.
What if you did, you wouldn't even need to worry
about birth control. You would need to worry about unplanned pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And chastity is looked at as something that is a
Christian view, and you know, many many Christians we do
share it, and God that's what God teaches. It's actually
it's a way of life to protect yourself. And it's
the greatest form of commitment to the person that you're
going to dedicate your life to because if you're willing
to wait for that person to commit to yourself to
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that person without engaging in that there, I mean the
strongest level of connection that you can you can bond
with somebody with. Right, this is the most vulnerable that
you can be with somebody. And we started looking at
it like that rather than something like you're holding back
from your partner, right, Yeah, looks at it as something
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like the greatest form of dedication and commitment. I think
would would be much more open to the idea of it.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, I agree. So I'm gonna ask you a question
that's gonna probably be kind of funny when I ask it.
But or and now that I've read a little bit
more of your your bio, your friend in high school?
Was she black?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay, So clearly you know Candice Owens talks about this often.
So does there's another like a politician, uh I think
her name Anyways, that that the genocide that is happening
with abortion is so immensely like dedicated to the black culture.
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So do you advocate on behalf of the black community
as far as being pro life and anti abortion, because
we know that black babies are being killed at a
much higher rate than white babies, and that just to
me seems incredible racist and the Democratic Party just is
immersed in it. So what is what is your role
or your opinion there on abortion in the black community.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Sure? Absolutely so. This is actually the reason that's you know,
sparked my activism and why I decided to make this
my career as I came across a video from Live Action,
who is actually done by my friend James O'Keefe with
OMG okay, and he did a video with them undercover
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calling planned parenthoods around the country asking me if he
could fund an abortion specifically on a black baby, and
every single one of them said yes, and not only
a yes, but it was like a confident yes. And
I started to do more research. And of course this
was during the time where I came back from New
York City from musical theater school and I was back
home in South Carolina and I just came across this video.
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Nothing to do really during COVID times, right and I
was like, well, why is Black Lives Matter not talking
about this. There's this higher organization dedicated to ending people
that look like me. Yet these organizations, all these riots
are happening, right, but there's no riots in the street
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for these black babies that are being murdered. And so
I started sharing this video with my friends, my family,
and they were like, oh, I had no idea about this.
And then I found out about Margaret Sanger, who's the
founder of Planned Parenthood, who was a proud racist and eugenicist,
and she literally wanted to end the black race. She
wanted to make one race. She talked about sending people
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that had disabilities and that were you know, black and
minorities on islands and having them living away from society.
She wanted to put birth control in the water system
so that when these minorities drink it, of course, you know,
they wouldn't be able to reproduce. And I was just
sitting here like, and this organization still exists, and we
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are giving half a billion dollars of our taxpayer dollars
to them every single year.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So everybody is well in some states, yes, okay, so
how is that happening? And I'm sorry if I'm asking
you questions that you don't know the answer to, But
I'm like, wait, how are we how are we funding
Planned parenthoud.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, it goes through a lot of different channels, and
I think it's it's hidden under a lot of different
names like reproductive you know, help everything, things like that,
women's health. They try to put it in through there.
But we have the High Amendment which actually helps stop
these abortions funding going toward our our taxpayer dollars, which
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Biden and many other politicians want to reverse obviously because
there's money going toward this. They don't want our money
going toward helping women have longer maternity leaves or getting
you know, mothers better pay. So you know, they're so.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
There's that, Yeah, so pro woman, Yeah, empowerment. So did
Margaret Singer And I've kind of heard this story, but
you seem to be very well versed. She founded Planned Parenthood.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, so this was originally you know, called the Negro
Project among other things, and basically she sent black pastors
into the black community and was giving them birth control.
And yeah, I mean it's it's just really really sad.
Black women are only about eight percent of the population,
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yet we're sold thirty six percent of abortions. That is
a city where I live, one and two black babies
were aborted in twenty nineteen. And you know, we have
to sit back and think, like, oh, why are we
the minority? Why are there so little Black people? And
it's like, because we've literally aborted over twenty million of them.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, well half you just said half the babies in
New York are are are are killed.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah. And I've we had pro abortion protesters, you know,
come up to me and say you're black, How in
the world could you be pro life? And I'm like,
do you think black women are incapable of being mothers?
Do you think that black men are not capable of
being good fathers? I mean, what are you trying to
place here? They think that just killing us is going
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to fix the issues with our community. You know, they
would rather end the lives of the people that are
suffering from an injustice rather than actually help.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Them, right, I mean, it's it's honestly, I'm trying to
I'm trying to figure out why I would even need
to say this, because some people are so incredibly dense,
mostly the left. But how is it not the most
racist belief in the world to say, how can you
be black and pro life? Like, hold on, did you
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just intermix somehow my skin color with whether or not
I should bur a child or should raise a child?
Like exactly, it doesn't even make sense to me. If anything,
it screams, hey, your skin color makes you so incapable
and so not financially fit or career oriented that you
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shouldn't even have kids because you're black. I mean, that's
basically what the left is saying, right.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So it's so crazy because they're so hYP hypocritical because
then they'll go and just you know, gush over people
like Rihanna, who literally is pregnant and performed at the
Super Bowl. I mean, how is that's the most you know,
pro woman, pro life performance I've ever seen. It's like,
this girl's up on a stage like a thousand feet
in the air, you know, singing her lungs child, yeah,
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with the child inside of her, you know, And then
we uplift people like Michelle Obama that was the first
lady and has children and was doing a job as
big as that. Yet you can't tell a girl going
to school that she can have a child. You can't
tell a woman that she could be a nurse or
be an actress and also be a mom. It's just
it's just so hypocritical to me. And then of course
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they'll offer up that three hundred five hundred dollars as
soon as she gets pregnant, right and says, well, you
can just go get an abortion take care of it.
No ways, we're not going to help you with diapers
or food or you know, help you with with after
school care.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, I mean, if you choose, if you choose life,
which is at sometimes the harder decision and the harder
road where is planned parenthood to say all right, well,
we kind of wish you would have killed your kid,
but since you didn't, here's help they would rather, I
mean bye, Like exactly, it's so disappointing, it's so sad.
(26:43):
So do you tell me about I watched a reel
recently where a white girl was screaming at you that
she hates white people, and it was about abortion. So
I'm like, oh, onm, is this a LM rally or
is this a pro life rally? Which is it?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes? So that was at the International Walk for Life
in New York City last Saturday, and this woman I
see very very often outside of Planned Parenthood when the
group at Saint Patrick's Basilica goes over every first Saturday
in the month and we pray the Rosary over to
the Planned Parenthood and then a lot of us sidewalk Council,
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which means we hand out local pregnancy resource centers to
moms walking in, and this woman sees me a lot,
but this is the first time she actually spoke to me.
And she made a comment to me that I was
standing with a bunch of white boys, which I don't
know why that was an issue, but apparently it really
triggered her. And I said, why do you have such
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a problem with white men? And then she went on
to say, like they have the most power in this country.
I hate white people, and I'm white, so I can
say that something like that. And then I said, oh, well,
do you hate black people too, since you're out here
advocating for killing their babies? And she says, no, I
wish I was black. Why a woman want to be
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a part of a community that's the most oppressed and incapable.
I have no idea, But here we go.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Right according to your own logic, Like we shouldn't even
sing the national anthem because we're so oppressed. But you
wish you were.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Me, I know. And it's like you should just look
at someone and just assume because they're white or because
they're black, that they've had every same experience as another
person the same color as them. You know, I'm somebody
who I really have never received racism from white people.
It's actually been more from black people, you know, calling
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me Uncle Tom, saying that I'm not black enough because
I have a white mother. The fact that I'm conservative,
or that I'm Christian, you know that I serve you know,
the white man, or I dance for the white man.
And it's like, no, Actually, I was raised by a
very strong single mother that told me I could think
whatever I wanted to as long as I could back
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it up with facts. And I just came to know
that God is the truth. Uh, you know, conservative values
are the truth, and being pro life is the truth
because you have you cannot value life at any stage
if you don't value it from the moment it begins.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Absolutely, I write, somebody write that down. I watched a
Chicago Chicago p D. It's a show, you know, all
the Chicago's and I can't watch anything as blind entertainment anymore.
I've got to see like the underlying you know, propaganda
(29:32):
and everything. This show is very non woke and which
I appreciate. Yeah, so quick, rundown this This was spread
out over four episodes, but in one of the episodes,
two of the police officers are sleeping together and she
gets pregnant. Well, then of course there's a discussion about
what do we do, and I'm like, better, this show
(29:53):
better not advocate for abortion, and she says it's not
the right time. I'm not ready. I think that I
think I should just have an emotion.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So I'm not sure what.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh so she anyway, she then worked with a victim
who went on to say that thank you for saving
my son. He's the best thing that's ever happened. I
don't want to do without him. So I'm like, oh,
here we go. So of course she realized I think
I better. I think I better have this child. I
don't want to have regrets, and she says, quote, I
don't want to have regrets. So then she decides. So
now we've got an episode where she says, you know,
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according to propaganda, this child is not a child. I
get to decide it's worth and I've decided that it
doesn't deserve to live. Right, And now she says, Okay,
I do think I want this child. It does deserve
to live, and as it's mother, I'm choosing to give
it life. Okay, great, moving on. She's pregnant, she needs
to be on desk duty. She pursues a criminal that
(30:49):
she shouldn't, She gets beat up, she miscarries, and now
we're at a scene in the hospital where she is
beyond devastated. And I've had three miscarriages, so I, you know,
completely can relate to what that feels like. And she
is crying, devastated, she's stoic, she's like a zombie. She
has lost the baby. And now we're at a situation
(31:11):
where she was excited to be a mother. She saw
value in her child's life. She was planning a life
in a future with that child, and now it's gone
and it's hurtful, and I went, oh my gosh, this
whole three episodes. This child's life is determined by her
feelings at the moment, and how can we live like that?
Because she went through I don't want you, I want you.
(31:34):
Now you're gone, and it's absolutely devastated me. And I'm like,
hold on, two episodes ago, she was going to kill
you herself. So we've just determined that a mother's feelings
towards her infant in her stomach can change, I mean
day to day, hour to hour.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
And that we such a dangerous thought process because it's like,
look at all the mistakes that we've made in our history,
just in this country, when we looked at a group
of people and said, well, you're not really as human
as this other group of people or were We don't,
we're not. We're going to classify you as three fists
of a person, right And I'm not trying to compare,
you know, abortion to slavery, but they these two injustices
(32:13):
happen for the same reason. We looked at a group
of people and we said, you're not as worthy as
this comple So therefore we can do whatever we want
to you. We can we can sell you, we can
use you however we want. And you know, we we
recognize that slavery was wrong, it was inhumane, and so
that's we abolished it. Right right now, we have abortion,
(32:36):
which is another form of dehumanization. It's people in the
womb that just because they're not fully developed, which I
always like to say, I'm not fully developed because your
brain actually doesn't fully develop until twenty five. So does
that mean I'm less of a person than somebody that's
older than twenty five? Of course not right. But we say, well,
you're dependent on somebody else, so we can, we can
(32:56):
do whatever we want with you. But then if you're wanted,
then it's a baby. But if it's not wanted, it's
it's just a fenus or it's just a clumpless cells
like you is not reality, Like that's so dangerous, and
this is all in the name of choice. We just say, well,
it's a woman's choice. It's a woman's choice to do whatever.
(33:17):
But it's like, I honestly think that abortion is for men,
because I think it was designed for men, because it
literally is just an easy way out right. We put
it on the woman. We say, well, it's your body,
it's your choice, you can do whatever. And so the
men that go around and you know, use women can
just hand over that three hundred dollars and say well
I don't want to be the father, right, so here
(33:38):
you go. Peace out later, Yeah, and now this woman
is left alone and she's being told that it's better
for her to just kill her child than it would
be for her to actually seek out resources and have
a community to help her and to lift her.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, and the pro choice argument has never really worked
for me, Like it's a woman's choice, and it's like, yeah,
she had three to four pretty good choices before this happened.
And again, I know it's twenty twenty three, but she
could have chosen not to sleep with him, she could
have chosen to use protection, she could have chosen to
(34:16):
be on birth control. She had choices, and she made
those choices, and it led to this. And I don't
like the word consequence because a baby is not a consequence.
But it led to this circumstance. She chose to do
all of the things that led up to this circumstance,
and now she wants that one choice to be able
to kill her baby. She had choices. No one is
(34:39):
taking away her choices. Those choices to be on birth
control or not have sex or whatever are still there.
No one is taking those away. It's just it's ah,
it's madding.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah. And you know the thing is is that every
action has a reaction. And not only you know, when
you lay down and sleep with someone, are you risking
the possibility of getting pregnant, but you're also risking the
possibility of getting STIs and things like that. Every it's
like playing the lottery. When you play the lottery, you
consent to win and you also consent to lose. So
(35:13):
we know that if you are engaging in heterosexual sex,
that you have the possibility of getting pregnant. And if
you don't know that, then you should not be having sex.
I mean, that's just.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And that's all. But they do know that, Like there
is no one that's like, I didn't know I could
get pregnant from sex. They're teaching it in freaking sixth
grade now. So like other than the point zero one
percentage of young girls that you know were raped or whatever,
which is just a terribly sad statistic that didn't know
(35:48):
their bodies other than those, if you're having sex, you're
aware that that's how babies are made. Every female that
is having sex knows this is how children are made.
I mean, I remember being a kid, and I was
raised in a really devout Christian home. I mean I
remember before sex, said thinking I think you can get
pregnant from kissing, no kissing, Like, hey, like you you
(36:10):
didn't know. The minute you're mature enough to make that decision,
you are aware of what happens. And so every woman,
every female has except for that point zh one percent,
knows that what they're doing could lead to a baby,
and they have made multiple choices up until that point
to conceive.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
That child exactly. And even in that you know, point
zero one percent, we still recognize that those women matter.
But let's look at it like this. This is a
pro life perspective, and this is what I always say
in cases of sexual assault, is is her getting an
abortion if she does conceive in that situation, Is that
going to erase the trauma that's been afflicted on her,
(36:54):
not going to make her forget? Absolutely not. People that
have been taken advantage of and used in any way,
we'll never forget that. And an abortion is basically just
a band aid. It covers up that invisible scar that's
been inflicted on her, and it's just another traumatic experience.
(37:14):
It's another act of violence that's not going to solve anything.
And as pro life as we never tell women that
they have to parent that they have to be a mother, right,
But with her choosing life for that baby, which is
so such a such a gracious thing to do, and
it's it's gonna be hard, we know that, But there's
an entire movement here ready to support her in any
(37:35):
way that she needs to give that child a choice,
you know, and and to live and to have that
opportunity to have their life. Right, if we look at
every single person as a gift, no matter how they
came to be, we would have just more respect for
people all around. Right, And there's so many people out
(37:56):
there that we walk past on the street that they
could have been rape. How are you going to tell
them that they're less worthy of life or that they
would have been better off dead just because of the
way they were conceived. It's horrible.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And how could they ever tell themselves that, like, oh,
because of how my mother got pregnant, I wish I'd
never been born. They would never believe that about themselves.
So why in the world would we spread the message
that a baby's life matters only if the mother and
father made the baby out of love and woodlock, I
mean all of those things, And gosh, you say so
(38:35):
many good things and then I I'm like, oh, yeah,
I don't want to touch on it. Oh you know,
we're missing the entire I mean, the entire biblical basis
of this belief. And that's why when when women give
birth to their child, even if that child was conceived
in rape, I would I would guess that when that
(38:58):
baby comes out, that uncontrollable, instinctual, natural gift that God
gave us to love our child, she would look at
that child and no matter how it was created, that
would be God turning that horrible event into good. Right.
We believe in Romans eight that God turns all things
(39:20):
to good for those who love him. If a woman
was raped and she made the rest of her life
wonder why did that happen to me? If she conceived
and gave birth, that child would be a blessing or
a gift to the family that adopted him or her,
or that woman would give birth and go, oh my gosh,
despite how this baby came to me, this is the
(39:43):
best thing that's ever happened. And I praise God for
this baby. But we don't have a culture that loves, appreciates, respects,
or even recognizes what God can do with something that
horrible and we can change politics and legislation and bills
and propaganda. But if everybody in America believed in God again,
(40:07):
we wouldn't be having this podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, exactly. And the thing is is why a lot
of these people think this way and why they can't
value others is because they don't even value themselves. I mean,
I'm among a generation that is, what is it like?
Over over sixty percent of us identify with one of
the LGBTQ plus. We don't know our gender, we don't
(40:31):
really know who we really are. We're confused, we feel
unhappy in our own body. So how if I don't
even feel secure with myself, I don't even see myself
as valuable. How in the world could I see somebody
that I can't even see as valuable? Right? Yeah? How
could I care about someone that I don't know that
(40:52):
I can't see? Like? This is the problem. And so
if we started teaching kids from the very beginning, when
they start to even understand things that you are valuable.
How you are born, you don't fix anything about yourself.
You were born perfectly because God created you. He knew
you before he formed you in the womb, and you
(41:12):
were irreplaceable. Literally, each one of us are irreplaceable. You
cannot repeat anyone, you know. And so we're all so
unique and we're so perfect in God's eyes. And it's
just so sad to see so many of my peers
and people my age so confused and feel so worthless
in their own bodies.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, and I know that you speak out a little
bit on kind of the trans movement in children too,
and I think you just touched on that is that
not only are we not teaching people your age or
kids to value babies in the womb, but to value
even their own identity that, like you know, you are
incredibly uniquely made. But we're not teaching that right because
(41:54):
that would be a god belief unless somebody can scientifically
prove that each person is. I mean, they can't with DNA.
But these kids, they're not being taught that. They're being
taught that there's an endless amount of genders and then
you could change it. And how can we expect them
to value life? They can't even stop to appreciate their
own life in the way that it was formed, which
(42:15):
is from a master creator who picked every hair on
her head and loves us, you know, unconditionally.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Exactly, and one of them. You know, I was growing up.
I mean it wasn't I was in high school not
too long ago, and you know, there were tomboys, there
were people that were gay and lesbian and whatever. But
it's it's just to think like, oh, I don't really
like wearing pink, or I don't like wearing flowery dresses,
so I just must be transgender or it's just crazy,
(42:43):
you know, and we I always I always use this comparison.
What if your child had come to you and said,
you know, mom, I don't feel like my right foot
should be on my body. Like most parents, I would
say ninety nine point nine percent of parents would say, Okay,
that's not normal. Let's get you to a doctor and
see what's going on. But then now your son comes
(43:05):
to you and says, mom, I don't think my penis
should be on my body. They're just sending them right
in there as young as thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old
and just literally mutilating their bodies something that cannot be undone. Yeah,
and we're seeing now I've been watching this week, following
up on the viral clip of one of the most
(43:26):
well known I think the most well known transgender kids
Jazz Jennings, who started to transition into a girl at
age five I believe it was, and got on hormone
blockers when she was only eleven years old, So this
was in her private parts not fully developing. And when
(43:50):
she went to go and have the transformative surgery to
get her penis formed into a vagina, she had to
get it done four times because there was not enough skin.
There was not enough skin built up around the area,
and they had to do it four times. And she's
Actually her mom has spoken out about the fact that
she has to dilate every single day because this hole
(44:13):
that is essentially an open wound, it's trying to heal
itself because that's what our bodies naturally do, is closing up.
In a recent video, she says to her mom, I
never feel like myself ever. I don't know who I am.
So we have this child that was exploited online since
they were five years old, five six years old, has
(44:36):
the whole world watching their entire life. Maybe this child
was confused at five or six, but in reality, these
parents didn't take the authority that they needed to take.
They didn't say, well, that's fine if you feel that way.
But they literally said, oh well, let's get you on
these hormones. I mean she was basically an experiment. Yeah, yeah,
(44:59):
the and for these people, and now we have her.
Now she's got binge eating disorder, she is very overweight.
She's had to have this destructive surgery four times. This
is a surgery that's only supposed to be doing one time.
She's basically a guinea pig.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
And she's a he. So he's a heat yeah yeah,
so he has mutilated his penis. He can never get
a woman pregnant, he can never have normal sex like
a male. And you know, I interviewed also, by the way,
to put this on national TV for the entire world
(45:36):
to see is so vile. I hope that he sues
his parents at some point for not being the parents
that they should have been and protecting him. But you know,
once this is done, he can also not probably ever
go back to being a normal male either. So and
that is ruined.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I feel so bad because this person, Oh what are
they to do? Like, yeah, I mean at this point,
this person, he she looks like a woman, a developed woman,
and is not is expressing. I never feel like myself ever,
and we don't talk about the long term effects. And
(46:17):
now we're starting to see this, we're starting to see
that this comes out. I don't care if you're seventeen
and your birthday is tomorrow, you're not a consenting adult.
And this child was exploited their entire life. They were
taken advantage of and just displayed, you know, and their parents.
I remember because Jazz and I are the same age,
and so I remember seeing this video on YouTube when
(46:39):
I was like eleven years old and thinking, transgender child,
How is even possible? You know, and it's it's horrible.
And so now this person suffers with anxiety depression. Yet
they were they're telling it like they're making the surgery
seem like it is life.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Changing, and he's like, oh, I get to finally be
a girl.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
And and then yes, we see the long term effects
starting to come out.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Well, I feel bad that there's probably a handful five
to ten people right now in the movement that are
speaking out that are detransitioning. They I mean, they had
to sacrifice their life to experience this to speak out
against it. But I had Matt Ray on my podcast
about a month and a half ago she transitioned into
(47:29):
a male as an adult, consenting, et cetera, et cetera.
But she had so many issues with her testosterone she
had to get off of it. And now she's having
medical medical issues that are life altering, like can't leave
her house because she's trying to detransition. Well not really,
but she's trying to at least get off the hormones.
(47:50):
But on my podcast, she said, I I'm not a man.
She knows she's not a man, she's never claimed to
be a man. She believes in biology. But she said,
but I can't be a girl now either. I look
like a man, Like I'm ruined. I mean to it
to to be a child and go through this and
(48:11):
later in life you're like, where were you mom and dad?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Right? Mean, And what I've noticed is that then the
trans community wants to like denounce these people that are
coming out. You're not saying like trans people don't exist,
they're not saying don't transition. They're just sharing their experience,
and then they're being called a failure or they're being
called a trader. Like I thought we were supposed to
be uplifting these people, right, And so they're.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Not on your side.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Now they're coming out with their experience that happened to
be negative, just to warn people. I mean, and then
and then it's like, well, gender has no look, gender
has no you know, uh specifics. But yet they wanted
you to go on hormones or they want you to
(48:58):
get that surgery. It's like, well, I thought gender had no.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Right, so then why didn't throw your hair out? If
all women don't have long hair, why are you wearing
fake lashes? If we don't have lashes, why are ye makeup?
I'll wear makeup, yeah ye.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
And then we have people like Dylan mulvaney who's getting
interviewed by the President of the United States, who's getting
sponsored by tampon brands. Why aren't they sponsoring homeless women
that can't afford tampons? Why are they not giving period
products to women in Nepaul that are being trafficked. It's
(49:32):
just like and then and then a biological man gets
sponsored by a tampon company, and then of course he
gets backlash because that's freaking weird and ridiculous. And then says, well,
if you had a boyfriend or a friend that you
know had a tampon that he held around for you
would just gush over him. No, I wouldn't. I'd be like,
(49:55):
why did you Why do you have tampons?
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah? Yeah, cheating on me with your Also, you'd be like,
why don't you be a man, Why don't you carry
around cigars or something? I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I would be so embarrassed if like my friend's boyfriend
or something, or like a guy friend of mine just said, oh,
I have like tampons. If I was like, oh, you
need to go to the bathroom real quick, and you're like, oh,
I have tampons in there, I'd be like.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
You're like, why are you so weird?
Speaker 2 (50:24):
That's what it is, it really is, you know. And
then it's another thing I noticed is that he doesn't
even say like womanhood. He says girlhood. And there's also
a video that just went pretty viral of his where
he's pretending to be Eloise in the Plaza Hotel and
is dressed up like a little girl in a skirt
and a bow, saying I'm Eloise, I'm six. And it's like,
(50:45):
even if a woman, like a biological woman would do that,
it'd be a little creepy, right, yeah. Encouraging trans kids
to transition, you know, trans kids, and and be open
about it. It's like everything that he posts is literally
push for children.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yes, absolutely, and that's why I don't understand, Like you
can call me transphob or homophobe or whatever, but what
you're doing is directed towards children because you don't need
to indoctrinate grown adults to change their gender. If they
think that they can change their gender, they're grown adults.
They've decided for themselves. So this bo and this cuteness
and this Barbie pouch crap, like, grown adults aren't buying it.
(51:28):
So who are you trying to indoctrinate into this? And
it's children. So you know, this is something that I'm
pretty sure you and I are going to continue to
speak out about and not apologize for it, and it
and you know, biblical beliefs aside. This is for the
protection of kids. So I mean, I'll get called every
name in the book before I will shut up about this.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I mean, and let's look at happen with the tragic,
the absolute tragedy that happened yesterday. You see, this person
took the lives of innocent people and they happen to
be trans. They happened to not really be comfortable in
their own body, identifying as a man and going into
this with such mental illness. And then I don't know
(52:11):
if you saw, but our lovely president was talking about
ice cream and laughing and making jokes before he decided
to address these poor children that were murdered by somebody
so mentally ill. But it's the gun's fault, the gun
that's brought up, and now this person needed help. They
literally wrote a suicide note over Instagram to one of
(52:34):
their friends, so that they wanted to die, that they
wanted to kill themselves, that they just needed to die.
And this is what happens. But we don't address that
because it doesn't match their narrative. These authors that are
making that are doing these surgeries are making millions and
millions of dollars like that. Yes, absolutely, because you have
a mental illness or maybe you're uncomfortable with your transition.
(52:55):
Oh we don't. That doesn't help our case.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
We're not money, so get out, you're not mine. Yeah,
you know, well, I'm you know, I am so refreshed
to have someone with your wisdom at such a young age,
because I'm thinking, I'm forty two and I just got
in this fight three years ago and I'm trying to
kick butt. But if you're gonna have twenty years under
your belt when you're my age, you're going to be
(53:18):
saving the world with Jesus. So where can let's see,
people can find you on Instagram at Savannah Craven. I'll
make sure that's in the notes. Anywhere else that you
want be able to follow you or support, you know,
the pro life movement, BLEXIT, Students for Life any.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
So, if you're interested in starting your own pro life
group at your high school, you can definitely contact me
at s Craven at Students Forlife dot org. We have
over thirteen hundred pro life groups all across the United
States and we just started two groups in Puerto Rico,
so we're really killing it. And I, as I said
in the beginning, I believe that creating a culture of
(53:55):
life starts in your schools, starts on the parish level
as well, and so it's definitely something that we can
help you get started if you're interested. And also you
can follow me on Twitter and get her at Savannah
Craven five. I'm on pretty much every platform, so.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yay, awesome, okay, and are you ready for your cheers?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Sure? Okay?
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Did I always throw the cheers out? Do you know
what it is?
Speaker 2 (54:19):
I don't know what it is?
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Okay, So get anything to drink at all, whatever you want,
like a couple walks, and then oh cute, and then
you get to decide what we're cheersing too.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Okay, So we are cheers ing to the sanctity and
dignity of life and that one day all people will
be able to be born into this country freely.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Ooh good cheers all right, ladies and gentlemen. The fabulous
Savannah Craven, thank you so much for being on and
thank you for your fight.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Thank you so much, Lindsey.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
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