November 5, 2025 • 29 mins
State Senator Greg Goode claims he is undecided on redistricting in Indiana. So he held a townhall in Terre Haute to hear from his constituents. Overwhelmingly, they came out against the idea. In fact, not one person spoke in favor. The event was a disaster for Republicans who claimed polls showing Hoosiers do not want redistricting were wrong. Will Goode's townhall be a red flag to other senators on the fence? Rob Kendall and Abdul-Hakim Shabazz discuss on Statehouse Happenings.
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Speaker 3 (01:35):
Before we get in the.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Program, let's meet the panelists sigular this week I have
Duel Keeps sha Baz. Hello, doing good? All right, so
let's start with the big news which wanted. Well, it's
the song that never ends. It goes on and on.
My friends. Well, now they've set a date on redistrict
thing about Well we'll get to him here in a second,
but you know, so.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Let's start all it all ties in together.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, this is fascinating to me that we talked about
this on this program before. So the legislator the General
Assembly has now come out and said we will convene
for redistricting the first week of December.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yes, why because they don't want to be here right now.
They don't want to be here period right Well. Also
to the thing is when governor had just to re said,
Governor Brown wanted to you know, bring the bring lawmakers
back to draw a new mass, which is not going
to happen because lawmakers said the're on the votes there.
But that's neither here nor there. And so he originally
said November third, which was a couple of days ago,
as they as the day film to come back. But
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just because you said a day film to come back,
does not mean they have to come back on that day.
They have forty days. Forty days because when they did
the abortion sself a couple of years ago, the governor
called like early July, they came like now two weeks later.
So there's so this president for the legislatu're not necessarily
coming on day one, and so what they're going to
do is come back in December because by then, because
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you've got Thanksgiving, you've got holidays, and people have to
change their schedules, and that that's not going to happen. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
The problem this, though, is just a few weeks ago
bron said it had to happen by middle of November
or there's not enough time to get everything done that
needs to get done related to, you know, all the
local clerks and everything else. And now he appears to
have forgotten that he said that because it's gonna be
the first of December.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's funny to bring that up because I've been having
some conversation with some county clerks across Indiana. They're all
saying a duel. It's not just drawing a line on
a map. There are a lot of the things that
have to go in that we have to draw. We
have to if the congression lines are redrawn, they have
to redraw precinct lines as well, and also not only
have to redraw lines for preesting committee people. You got
to say conventions coming up, because it's a convention year.
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It's twenty six and so whoever's gonna be delegates, they
got to get their filing that And it's not just
drawing a line on a map. And calling the to day.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Why didn't he just do this in August? If he
was gonna do it regardless, why did he string it out?
Because he I mean the I guess he was he
being braun, was trying to build some sort of momentum
for this. However, all he's done is build momentum in
the opposite direction.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Everything that they have done. It's like opposite day. It
is what it is, and it's opposite day. We're gonna
do property taxes. Well you really didn't do proper text,
just pissed people off. We're gonna do healthcare. Well you
really just pissed people off. We're gonna do this. So
I'm not sure. Mike Brown is not stupid. No, he's
a sharp guy. He's a smart guy. But his political
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instincts have just been so wrong on this it makes
a questions. He's a good businessman, but good good businessmen
don't necessarily have good political acumen. Now, I was told
by reliable source on I think this was Monday. I
was told you one. Maybe I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
There is now a growing not consensus, but a growing
feel among the House members because the belief is they
have the votes in the House, maybe not by a lot,
but they have the votes to do this. That the
Senate is not going to budge. They're not going to
are they don't.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Have the votes.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And we'll get to this Greg Good town hall in
just a minute, but that they are not going to
budget and now they're going to make a decision. Do
we horribly embarrass the governor by going through the exercise
and letting it fail, or do we just gavel in
and gavel out? And there are some who say it
may be more effective just to gabble this thing in
fix the tax issue, aligning that they have to align
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the state tax code in federal tax code. That is
a housekeeping operation. It happened with the tax reformed the
last time they did it. Or do they say, hey,
screw it, he wanted this, let's give him it, We
warned him.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Let's give him a dose of his own medicine. I
think I think a little bit of both. I do
think that I do think they want to fix the
tax situation. That makes perfect sense to get all that
in line, because people go start of filing taxes come
come January. That that makes that to me makes perfect sense.
But to come in and why why should we do
something we know is not going to pass the Senate.
They would look like we just wasted everybody's very valuable, precious,
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precious time. So that's why I can see the House
of Green too. We'll come back on in that early
time in December, we'll pass the tax bill and we'll
just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, And this is going to be a disaster for
Braun if he doesn't get it done, because this is
all on him. He's the one pushing this.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I would say, And it'll it will be a disaster
from Braun in the sense that whoever promised the Trump
administration we can get this done couldn't get it done.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, because this is the second we will be if
indeed it goes down the second colossal failure in a
year for him, property taxes and now this, and it
kind of shows he don't got any juice.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And not only do you not have any Jews, you're
also pissing off the legislature because you're going to be
here for at least three years. Yeah, and so you
want you don't You don't want your first year to
get off on a bad foot because because first impression
are usually the lasting.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Sure impressions. You know, I remember you and I we've
been doing the show a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yes, we both had more hair.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well mine's back thanks to the find folks that we
grow hair Indie. But we talked about Curtis Hill when
he got elected attorney general. You got to spend your
first year building it's find out big ideas and it's
great to run on him, but if you're you got
to spend your first year figuring out a way to
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make all that work and make your priorities work. And
if you just come in and start beating people over
the head, it ain't gone in well. And it didn't
in well for Curtis, and it does wear to be
going well for Braun. His little trade secret.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know this. I don't think the audience knows this.
When Curtis Hill first got elected, I got a call
from him like, hey do it? Could you come by
my office on Thursday? I want to talk to Like sure,
I like you, good guy. And his staff was there like, hey,
what's going on here? We'd like to offer your job
as our communications guy. Oh wow, I'm thank you. I'm flattered.
I mean I used to do this before back in Illinois.
So I worked with attorney generals before, but I'm kind
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of happy where I am right now. Plus there's some
money relateditions. I think you guys could afford me technically, sure,
but I'll give you some free advice. Don't make any
ways your first year. Learn where the bathrooms are, get
to know people. The first African American Republican attorney general.
So you're like, you know the unicorn, go to fundraisers,
help them raise money, and just build and just build
(08:11):
good relations, build chips in the system. You never know
when something stoup is gonna happen and you're gonna need him.
And he did not do that, didn't They didn't listen
to my braun did not do that either.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
It's fine to come out and say, hey, we think
Holcomb did a b C D. In the case of
Holcomb E F G H I J K L M
and OP wrong and here's what we can do to
fix them. But they're not getting any of that accomplished. No, no,
whatever whatever Eric did. And I thought Eric did fine,
but come on, I mean, when you see the ied
C stuff, even you got to look at that and
go oh that, I'd.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Say it was perfect. I said he did fine, that
was bad. That's very bad. Yeah, but every every every
administration gets some kind of scandal, doup.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Every administration had hundreds of millions of dollars that could
have been blatant corruption.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And he pens fssay. You know, the list goes on
and on, on and on and off. If you're not
you're not administr So she don't have a scandal. Yes,
but I will say this by not building those relationships
early on, Ron two steps forward, but like five steps back.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right, So let's talk about this town hall. It took
place over the weekend in Tara hate. Greg Good, he
was a he was he is a Republican senator took over.
It was John Ford, right, Tara hot, Yeah, Tara hate,
which you know, look it's republican but not super republican.
And he has this town hall on redistricting, and for
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all the huffing and puffing of the internet influencers, not
one person showed up to speak. Literally, according to multiple reports,
not one person showed up to speak in favor of redistricting.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
There was a line out the door. Were you there?
I wasn't there, Greg and I we spoke earlier that week.
Is like a duel were talking about the format was like, oh, like,
we'll just talk later on sure, And there was one
person in favor of redistricting. Seventy plus people spoke again
against it. That'll for seventy something people to come together
on a Saturday morning and tell you that we don't
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want this, that I'll tell you everything you need to know.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
And it's so weird, like it's everything we've been saying,
It's everything the poll results have bore out, which is, hey, yeah,
the hardcore base of the Republican Party probably wants it,
but the people at large don't. If you're in a
swing district, why would you do this. What's fascinating to
me is there are people who are still trying to
excuse this away, and it's like, well, it was only
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Democrats that showed up. Well, if Republicans want it so bad,
why didn't they show up?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Exactly? You couldnt even get one person to raise their
end and go I'm kind of in favor of this,
And how do you know they were Democrats? Well right,
well exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But it is fascinating to me that they keep seeing
this in real time, the polling these town halls, and
yet like the governor came out. It was like, oh, no,
people really want this. This is just a sort of
left wing manufactured whatever. I don't understand why they're so
wed to doing this when clearly the public at large
take away the base of your party, which they probably
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do with the public at large doesn't want it.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
And not only does the public not want it, the
public's like, no, there are much bigger issues that we
can be talking about right now, like, for example, healthcare,
property taxes. We just had a bunch of referendums in Indiana. Yeah,
so I would say, in a in a perfect world
where where whereas where's happiness and unicorns and sunshine, a
lot of the pops and rainbows, you can afford to
talk about that crap. But until then you got other
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more serious related issues that need to be addressed. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
People look at that and they say, you don't care
about us. Yep, you're doing this for yourselves, not for us.
And if you don't believe me, look at Virginia, New Jersey. Okay,
So let's uh. I want to talk about something close
through by the way, status happenings. Rob Kendall del kIPS
you abou Jim or he's not been fired he'll be
back with us next week.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
He's tending to other matters.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
There were there were two high profile school referendums, actually
six across Indiana.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well that's right, Yeah, there were two. There were two
big ones.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So I want to talk about two because I think
they sort of tell us something, isn't You and I
have talked about for years on this program. And they
were Avon and Allen County, right, and so Allen County
is Fort Wayne. The Avon one passes easily.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Avon.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
For those of you who don't know, most people assume
hearing this to west side of Indianapolis, Indiana right off
for thirty six, it's I call it the middle truck
between Brownsburg, Avon, and Plainfield. Now that this was continuing
a referendum, they were not adding a new reference. They
were continuing a referendum, which is still a referendum. But
that one passes. The one up in Allen County Fort
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Wayne fails. And I look at that, and it's something
that you and I have talked about, which is if
you were gonna because I think you're gonna see a
bunch of these referend them start popping up after cinnebil
one you can beat them, but you gotta have organized opposition,
and you gotta be able to do doors. You gotta
be able to put signs in yards, and you gotta
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be able to talk to the community about what's going on.
If you ain't gonna do that, you might as well
just pack it up because they're gonna pass.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And I also look at referendums from another perspective as well.
To me, referendums are not necessarily about the money. Referendums
about the relationship that the school district has with its taxpayers,
right with its citizens. And people feel good about the schools.
They think they're getting good the kids are getting a
good education. They think that the teachers deserve more money
than people don't mind investing in their school districts. But
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if you don't have that relationship, why are you here. Ah,
here's a perfect example. It's like when I was in
my college days, I'd call my mom and dad asked
for money. My dad like, son, you know you only
call us when you want money, Like, why don't you
call your mother? Says ask her how she's doing? Yeah,
And so that's like, hey, dad just called to say hello.
Then the next time I called i'd ask for money,
then I get it. But don't just call your parents
out of the blue and say, hey, dad, mom and dad,
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I need money, and don't build that relationship. It's the
same thing with school districts.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It also is fascinating that these lawmakers. I saw there
was an article somewhere I forget where it was, but
they're talking about Senate Bill one and how now they're
saying in this upcoming legislative session, oh, we got to
make more changes to this. And it's like there's almost
an acknowledgement from these lawmakers. We passed a disaster. But
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shouldn't you have seen it was going to be a
disaster when you I mean, I'm saying from a disaster
from the same one of everyone hates.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It or or at the very least in the perspective
when Cinnebill one was passed. Make it perfectly clear, ladies
and gentlemen, this is not perfect by any stretch of
the imagination. We're going to fix this, which one what
they probably shouldn't is delay it's going into effect.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Well that's what they're talking about doing now, especially with
this local income tax increase stuff that these mayors because we.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Said when they did this like these mayors are just
going to sprint to.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Pass these income tax increases, and this good district's gonna
sp sprint to do these referendums when you don't put
if you know your kid is going to quote unquote misbehave,
you can't put them in an environment where they can misbehave,
and they go, I'm shocked they misbehaved, and there's gambling
going on here, right exactly. So I did think that
was interesting that you had two big school corporations, Avon
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and Fort Wayne, and yet they had very different results.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But also to you also going to look at some
of the personalities of those respective districts, because Northeast Indiana
is a much different cultural tax creature, so to speak,
than West Central Indiana unless you got me living in
your community in West Central India. Well yeah, but then
again also too, something else that I'll want to bring
up in the whole referendum thing is our our good
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friend mister Beckwa showed up knocking on doors and the
lieutenant like, why are you here? You don't live here,
You're you're not from here. Do you want the story
behind that? Yes, Oh you don't know, Well I know
I knew he was knocking on doors trying to defeat
the referendum. I'm like, but I'm thinking like it was
more rhetorical. Why are you here?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay, So in the what I've now dubbed the last
supper with me and the governor, the final time we
were in each other's presence, and I knew this was
going to be the final time we were gonna see
each other in any sort of pleasantries. He had said
when he was laying out this property tax bill that
he was going to sign on to, which became said
at Bill Watt, and I said, who's gonna fight all
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these referendums that are gonna pop up everywhere? If you
signed this thing? Well, he said, I will go knock
on doors. I said, everybody in this room see that. Everybody,
everybody hear this, because I gotta feel and that ain't
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Mike bron didn't knock on a single door of these
any of these referendums.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
He uh.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And then Becklett said, you know later that during that type,
y'all do it too, And so then nobody was showing
up to knock on any doors. And so I started
publicly shaming him, and he couldn't stand that, so he
wasted a Saturday going out knocking on doors where I
sat in the comfort of my own own home with heat,
watching college football, and it's still passed.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Right and me that that was a bigger thing. I
would argue, the biggest loser in the and the in
the whole school referendum thing was Lieutenant Governor, because you
went on a limb is stuck your nose in other
people's business. You have no business here. To me, referendums
don't bother me. If people want to raise their own taxes,
that to me, that's perfectly fine. I have no qual
(17:00):
I have no problem with that. Just make sure it's
level playing field, not using no school.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
But it's not a level playing field when you can
have hundreds of school employees go out and organize and
knock on doors for their own pay benefit.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
That is not an organized playing field. But they but
Americans beat the British and American Revolution. Yeah again, not
every community has me right.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
But but but like in my mind when I had
said that to Braun, I knew he wasn't ever gonna
go knock the door like, hey, you got to be
part of an organized opposition, and boy, what a great headline.
They'd be governor and Lieutenant governor. Come help the help
the peasants that you just going and knocking on five
doors three weeks before the election or two weeks before
the election, not gonna do anything other than a photo
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op for yourself.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And they lost. And it's actually easy to do because
you get the precinct lesson figure who voted in Republicans
primary and who did what, Like I go to Okay,
here's a donor, here's a friend, here's a friend.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well this is the but this is the thing with
the score, Like I knew that able when it was
gonna pass, because they were telling me that little opposition
there was nobody even knows this is going on.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
So well then you're done. You have to have.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
People very aware not only what's going on, but what
the actual impact of them is going to be. When
people see, oh, this is gonna cost me five hundred bucks,
well heck, I'll run through the gates of hell to
save myself five hundred dollars. You gotta get the doors,
you gotta get the signs, you gotta you know, have
the conversations.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
It is old fashioned World War One trench warfare. It
is what it is, and you gotta love it. You
gotta love watching the government fail in order to beat
these things. Also watch it for the mustard gas too.
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of the Lieutenant governor, uh not even a h not
even a blow torch. You took some sort of large,
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high powered bazooka to him. On your Hindi politics website.
What is going on uh uh Micah beck with the
Lieutenant governor who's who's a big fan of both of us.
Uh these days SAT's name three times? So fastle up
here out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He went on the morning show on WHOO that's the
radio station in Ford Wayne. They're kind of like the
WBC radio of Ford Wayne, Indiana. Uh huh, and he
talked about some things that were going on in his office,
and he also talked about, uh, the the the grand
jury investigation that we've told that is looking into the
governor's Yes, the liutatda governor's office.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So we have been talking about this on this program
others for a long time, that the Marrion County Prosecutors
Office is looking into Micah Beckwit's office.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And we even said exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
We said, it's artificial intelligence, bography, allegations of artificial intelligence,
pornography and.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Ghost employment and goes employment.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And we said there's also a grand jury that has
been what I don't convene or whatever the word is,
and we said they're looking into this as well. Didn't
say anybody did anything, did anybody's guilty of anything, did
somenybody's gonna be convicted of anything. Didn't say anybody was
even gonna be indicted for anything. We just said looking
into this and they were so not happening, made up
smear this and blah blah blah, and then came out
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was it last week, Hey, there's a grand jury exactly.
They're looking into ay I porn and uh ghost employment exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And he went on and who dogged me? Dog you said,
this isn't happening. I never saw the video, which we
know for a fact that it was still going on.
So because still doesn't exist, like okay, so why would
a grand jury look for something that doesn't that's not there? Cool?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And to be clear, there there was an allegend, at
least one we know of because she told the story
on our Kennel and Casey Show and on your Indie
politics website. Aaron Sheridan say her name, She identified herself
former advisor into the office. Claims that two individuals were
viewing AI porn in the office. They showed it to her.
(22:08):
She described it in great detail. She claimed that those
individuals said that the Lieutenant governor was aware of the
AI porn and then she also claimed Aaron Sheridan claimed
she took her objection or whatever complaint to shry Elis,
the chief of staff for the Lieutenant governor. She did
nothing about it. Now there Mike has said, not all
(22:31):
that's ridiculous, right, did that? None of that happened? He
claimed he did an investigation, then admitted he didn't do
any sort of forensic analysis, didn't bring a third party,
and didn't bring state police in. So I guess we're
just down to asking his guys, hey, did.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You do that?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Okay, investigation done here? Yeah, and then and the other
part of that too is not only is there a
grand jury looking at this whole situation, I having on
very good authority that instructions have been given to the
staff people. I don't know if it was mister beckwether
shehry Elis or someone, and someone in Lieutenant Governor's office
has basically told staff people do not cooperate with the
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grand jury. Can you do that? No, you can't. Oh
that's felling it.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Oh you can tell somebody, don't You cannot tell somebody
don't cooperate.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Right, and particular if they're employees of yours. Now, if
you have nothing to hide, why would you say that exactly. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
What I thought was interesting about that interview because and
by the way, everybody should go read of tools piece
of in the politics, because I listened to the interview,
is that he the lieutenant governor and he just can't
stop talking. He can't stop hearing the sound of his
own voice. And for a guy who now knows and
has acknowledged finally that his office is under investigation by
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the Marrion Kenny Prosecutor's office and a grand jury, he's
doing the worst thing imaginable just talking.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, but he did go ahead because one of the
things I always tell you is shut up, don't talk.
If you must make a public statement. I've been told
there's a grand jury. We welcome into investigation into our office.
You'll find that we've done everything above board. We maintain
the highest ethical standards. Blah blah. Use the standard line
and then shut up and don't say anything else else. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
A couple of things that stood out to me, and
then he touched on some of these in your piece.
One is he's going after the prosecutor, Ryan Meers, who
is is a Democrat. But why you would insult the
guy who hit your future is held in his little palm.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That is beyond stupid to me, particularly when things can
go either way. I was always taught Abdul, judges and
proscues will always be fair. We always treat you right now,
always treat you fairly. But if you if they can
go either way and they can justify going out of
the way, why get on the judges wrong side or
the prosecute is wrong side? Yeah? Why why? Why piss? Why?
Why why pick a fight when it's not necessary? Absolutely,
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I have no idea why he will. Oh, I mean,
I know why he would do that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But the other thing is he's talking about according to
your Indie politics piece, and I'm you know from memory
hearing this article, he's talking about someone who in his
office who cooperated with the prosecutor's office. And yet then
he also claim James, he only heard about the grand
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jury from the media. See, this is what this guy does.
He can't keep track of all the things he said,
and especially when he's rolling in real time. So on
one hand, he fed up from the grand jury from
the media, but then on the other hand, he acknowledges
this person in his office who he knows has talked
to the Mary Kenny prosecutor's office.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
What did he think they were doing? Playing tittley winks?
Is there a commandment that says dawshon not bear false witness?
Because when he a bar false witness, you got to
keep the story straight. You never have to remember the truth.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I mean, am I the only one who heard that?
Was like it seems like he kind of contradicted himself.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
There, no, no, he did? You heard him?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
All right? He is all that being said? And we
know the guy's a habitual liar. We know what he is.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But you can be a habitual liar and be a
politician and an elective official they're all over the place.
Doesn't make you a criminal, doesn't make you guilty of anything.
Do you think because he is the number two ranking
official in the state of Indiana, as ridiculous as he
may be, and if Merors comes after his office, whether
it's Micah or people in the office or whatever, that's
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going to be a massive story and very controversial. Do
you think that ultimately, as you know probably more than
I do about all this, you have more sources than
I do, that there that this is gonna be something's
gonna go forward? Or do you think it's gonna be
something you know, three months or now we're gonna be like,
I guess that ended up being a whole bunch.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
If there is if there is proof or evidence that
the Lieutenant governor told his staff and instructed his staff
to not cooperate with any sort of grandeur investigation into
their office, then it is game on and game over
because those are felonies. Those A classics and class five felonies, period.
And if you are convicted, if you're if you're charged
with a felony, you do not have to give up
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your office. But if you're convicted of a felony, you do,
plain and simple. So I would say, it is not
it is not out of the realm. It is in
our universe now, not necessarily our galaxy, but it's in
our it's it's in our reality. Okay. So and before
you let you go.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
The other thing that I thought we got about a
minute left here that I thought was interesting about this
is he was advocating on this radio interview for this
proposal to basically take the mile square away from Ryan Meres.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
And I was like, well, if anything's gonna.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Turbo charge this guy to go fast, now he hears
you out there advocating take away as authority to be.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Able to police the Lels Square. And here's the other
part too, there's some cons social issues with all that
because the county prosecutor is a is a prosecutor for
the county. Yes, And you can't do that unless you're
going to change the constitution. And for somebody supposed to
be you know, mister constitucial scholar and teaches lectures on
the Constitution, you might want to go read the damn thing.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Well. And like I said, I mean, they wouldn't be
able to get that to even if they passed it
in this session. It's always July that those laws take effect.
I would assume whatever mister Mirrors is or is not
looking into, he'll have finished by July.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
If it's not finished already, well, and we'll leave everyone
with that. BI look, I jamaz, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 3 (01:35):
Before we get in the.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Program, let's meet the panelists sigular this week I have
Duel Keeps sha Baz. Hello, doing good? All right, so
let's start with the big news which wanted. Well, it's
the song that never ends. It goes on and on.
My friends. Well, now they've set a date on redistrict
thing about Well we'll get to him here in a second,
but you know, so.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Let's start all it all ties in together.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, this is fascinating to me that we talked about
this on this program before. So the legislator the General
Assembly has now come out and said we will convene
for redistricting the first week of December.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yes, why because they don't want to be here right now.
They don't want to be here period right Well. Also
to the thing is when governor had just to re said,
Governor Brown wanted to you know, bring the bring lawmakers
back to draw a new mass, which is not going
to happen because lawmakers said the're on the votes there.
But that's neither here nor there. And so he originally
said November third, which was a couple of days ago,
as they as the day film to come back. But
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just because you said a day film to come back,
does not mean they have to come back on that day.
They have forty days. Forty days because when they did
the abortion sself a couple of years ago, the governor
called like early July, they came like now two weeks later.
So there's so this president for the legislatu're not necessarily
coming on day one, and so what they're going to
do is come back in December because by then, because
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you've got Thanksgiving, you've got holidays, and people have to
change their schedules, and that that's not going to happen. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
The problem this, though, is just a few weeks ago
bron said it had to happen by middle of November
or there's not enough time to get everything done that
needs to get done related to, you know, all the
local clerks and everything else. And now he appears to
have forgotten that he said that because it's gonna be
the first of December.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's funny to bring that up because I've been having
some conversation with some county clerks across Indiana. They're all
saying a duel. It's not just drawing a line on
a map. There are a lot of the things that
have to go in that we have to draw. We
have to if the congression lines are redrawn, they have
to redraw precinct lines as well, and also not only
have to redraw lines for preesting committee people. You got
to say conventions coming up, because it's a convention year.
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It's twenty six and so whoever's gonna be delegates, they
got to get their filing that And it's not just
drawing a line on a map. And calling the to day.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Why didn't he just do this in August? If he
was gonna do it regardless, why did he string it out?
Because he I mean the I guess he was he
being braun, was trying to build some sort of momentum
for this. However, all he's done is build momentum in
the opposite direction.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Everything that they have done. It's like opposite day. It
is what it is, and it's opposite day. We're gonna
do property taxes. Well you really didn't do proper text,
just pissed people off. We're gonna do healthcare. Well you
really just pissed people off. We're gonna do this. So
I'm not sure. Mike Brown is not stupid. No, he's
a sharp guy. He's a smart guy. But his political
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instincts have just been so wrong on this it makes
a questions. He's a good businessman, but good good businessmen
don't necessarily have good political acumen. Now, I was told
by reliable source on I think this was Monday. I
was told you one. Maybe I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
There is now a growing not consensus, but a growing
feel among the House members because the belief is they
have the votes in the House, maybe not by a lot,
but they have the votes to do this. That the
Senate is not going to budge. They're not going to
are they don't.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Have the votes.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And we'll get to this Greg Good town hall in
just a minute, but that they are not going to
budget and now they're going to make a decision. Do
we horribly embarrass the governor by going through the exercise
and letting it fail, or do we just gavel in
and gavel out? And there are some who say it
may be more effective just to gabble this thing in
fix the tax issue, aligning that they have to align
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the state tax code in federal tax code. That is
a housekeeping operation. It happened with the tax reformed the
last time they did it. Or do they say, hey,
screw it, he wanted this, let's give him it, We
warned him.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Let's give him a dose of his own medicine. I
think I think a little bit of both. I do
think that I do think they want to fix the
tax situation. That makes perfect sense to get all that
in line, because people go start of filing taxes come
come January. That that makes that to me makes perfect sense.
But to come in and why why should we do
something we know is not going to pass the Senate.
They would look like we just wasted everybody's very valuable, precious,
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precious time. So that's why I can see the House
of Green too. We'll come back on in that early
time in December, we'll pass the tax bill and we'll
just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, And this is going to be a disaster for
Braun if he doesn't get it done, because this is
all on him. He's the one pushing this.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I would say, And it'll it will be a disaster
from Braun in the sense that whoever promised the Trump
administration we can get this done couldn't get it done.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, because this is the second we will be if
indeed it goes down the second colossal failure in a
year for him, property taxes and now this, and it
kind of shows he don't got any juice.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And not only do you not have any Jews, you're
also pissing off the legislature because you're going to be
here for at least three years. Yeah, and so you
want you don't You don't want your first year to
get off on a bad foot because because first impression
are usually the lasting.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Sure impressions. You know, I remember you and I we've
been doing the show a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yes, we both had more hair.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well mine's back thanks to the find folks that we
grow hair Indie. But we talked about Curtis Hill when
he got elected attorney general. You got to spend your
first year building it's find out big ideas and it's
great to run on him, but if you're you got
to spend your first year figuring out a way to
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make all that work and make your priorities work. And
if you just come in and start beating people over
the head, it ain't gone in well. And it didn't
in well for Curtis, and it does wear to be
going well for Braun. His little trade secret.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know this. I don't think the audience knows this.
When Curtis Hill first got elected, I got a call
from him like, hey do it? Could you come by
my office on Thursday? I want to talk to Like sure,
I like you, good guy. And his staff was there like, hey,
what's going on here? We'd like to offer your job
as our communications guy. Oh wow, I'm thank you. I'm flattered.
I mean I used to do this before back in Illinois.
So I worked with attorney generals before, but I'm kind
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of happy where I am right now. Plus there's some
money relateditions. I think you guys could afford me technically, sure,
but I'll give you some free advice. Don't make any
ways your first year. Learn where the bathrooms are, get
to know people. The first African American Republican attorney general.
So you're like, you know the unicorn, go to fundraisers,
help them raise money, and just build and just build
(08:11):
good relations, build chips in the system. You never know
when something stoup is gonna happen and you're gonna need him.
And he did not do that, didn't They didn't listen
to my braun did not do that either.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
It's fine to come out and say, hey, we think
Holcomb did a b C D. In the case of
Holcomb E F G H I J K L M
and OP wrong and here's what we can do to
fix them. But they're not getting any of that accomplished. No, no,
whatever whatever Eric did. And I thought Eric did fine,
but come on, I mean, when you see the ied
C stuff, even you got to look at that and
go oh that, I'd.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Say it was perfect. I said he did fine, that
was bad. That's very bad. Yeah, but every every every
administration gets some kind of scandal, doup.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Every administration had hundreds of millions of dollars that could
have been blatant corruption.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And he pens fssay. You know, the list goes on
and on, on and on and off. If you're not
you're not administr So she don't have a scandal. Yes,
but I will say this by not building those relationships
early on, Ron two steps forward, but like five steps back.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right, So let's talk about this town hall. It took
place over the weekend in Tara hate. Greg Good, he
was a he was he is a Republican senator took over.
It was John Ford, right, Tara hot, Yeah, Tara hate,
which you know, look it's republican but not super republican.
And he has this town hall on redistricting, and for
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all the huffing and puffing of the internet influencers, not
one person showed up to speak. Literally, according to multiple reports,
not one person showed up to speak in favor of redistricting.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
There was a line out the door. Were you there?
I wasn't there, Greg and I we spoke earlier that week.
Is like a duel were talking about the format was like, oh, like,
we'll just talk later on sure, And there was one
person in favor of redistricting. Seventy plus people spoke again
against it. That'll for seventy something people to come together
on a Saturday morning and tell you that we don't
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want this, that I'll tell you everything you need to know.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
And it's so weird, like it's everything we've been saying,
It's everything the poll results have bore out, which is, hey, yeah,
the hardcore base of the Republican Party probably wants it,
but the people at large don't. If you're in a
swing district, why would you do this. What's fascinating to
me is there are people who are still trying to
excuse this away, and it's like, well, it was only
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Democrats that showed up. Well, if Republicans want it so bad,
why didn't they show up?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Exactly? You couldnt even get one person to raise their
end and go I'm kind of in favor of this,
And how do you know they were Democrats? Well right,
well exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But it is fascinating to me that they keep seeing
this in real time, the polling these town halls, and
yet like the governor came out. It was like, oh, no,
people really want this. This is just a sort of
left wing manufactured whatever. I don't understand why they're so
wed to doing this when clearly the public at large
take away the base of your party, which they probably
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do with the public at large doesn't want it.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
And not only does the public not want it, the
public's like, no, there are much bigger issues that we
can be talking about right now, like, for example, healthcare,
property taxes. We just had a bunch of referendums in Indiana. Yeah,
so I would say, in a in a perfect world
where where whereas where's happiness and unicorns and sunshine, a
lot of the pops and rainbows, you can afford to
talk about that crap. But until then you got other
(11:28):
more serious related issues that need to be addressed. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
People look at that and they say, you don't care
about us. Yep, you're doing this for yourselves, not for us.
And if you don't believe me, look at Virginia, New Jersey. Okay,
So let's uh. I want to talk about something close
through by the way, status happenings. Rob Kendall del kIPS
you abou Jim or he's not been fired he'll be
back with us next week.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
He's tending to other matters.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
There were there were two high profile school referendums, actually
six across Indiana.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well that's right, Yeah, there were two. There were two
big ones.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So I want to talk about two because I think
they sort of tell us something, isn't You and I
have talked about for years on this program. And they
were Avon and Allen County, right, and so Allen County
is Fort Wayne. The Avon one passes easily.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Avon.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
For those of you who don't know, most people assume
hearing this to west side of Indianapolis, Indiana right off
for thirty six, it's I call it the middle truck
between Brownsburg, Avon, and Plainfield. Now that this was continuing
a referendum, they were not adding a new reference. They
were continuing a referendum, which is still a referendum. But
that one passes. The one up in Allen County Fort
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Wayne fails. And I look at that, and it's something
that you and I have talked about, which is if
you were gonna because I think you're gonna see a
bunch of these referend them start popping up after cinnebil
one you can beat them, but you gotta have organized opposition,
and you gotta be able to do doors. You gotta
be able to put signs in yards, and you gotta
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be able to talk to the community about what's going on.
If you ain't gonna do that, you might as well
just pack it up because they're gonna pass.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And I also look at referendums from another perspective as well.
To me, referendums are not necessarily about the money. Referendums
about the relationship that the school district has with its taxpayers,
right with its citizens. And people feel good about the schools.
They think they're getting good the kids are getting a
good education. They think that the teachers deserve more money
than people don't mind investing in their school districts. But
(13:20):
if you don't have that relationship, why are you here. Ah,
here's a perfect example. It's like when I was in
my college days, I'd call my mom and dad asked
for money. My dad like, son, you know you only
call us when you want money, Like, why don't you
call your mother? Says ask her how she's doing? Yeah,
And so that's like, hey, dad just called to say hello.
Then the next time I called i'd ask for money,
then I get it. But don't just call your parents
out of the blue and say, hey, dad, mom and dad,
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I need money, and don't build that relationship. It's the
same thing with school districts.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It also is fascinating that these lawmakers. I saw there
was an article somewhere I forget where it was, but
they're talking about Senate Bill one and how now they're
saying in this upcoming legislative session, oh, we got to
make more changes to this. And it's like there's almost
an acknowledgement from these lawmakers. We passed a disaster. But
(14:06):
shouldn't you have seen it was going to be a
disaster when you I mean, I'm saying from a disaster
from the same one of everyone hates.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It or or at the very least in the perspective
when Cinnebill one was passed. Make it perfectly clear, ladies
and gentlemen, this is not perfect by any stretch of
the imagination. We're going to fix this, which one what
they probably shouldn't is delay it's going into effect.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Well that's what they're talking about doing now, especially with
this local income tax increase stuff that these mayors because we.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Said when they did this like these mayors are just
going to sprint to.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Pass these income tax increases, and this good district's gonna
sp sprint to do these referendums when you don't put
if you know your kid is going to quote unquote misbehave,
you can't put them in an environment where they can misbehave,
and they go, I'm shocked they misbehaved, and there's gambling
going on here, right exactly. So I did think that
was interesting that you had two big school corporations, Avon
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and Fort Wayne, and yet they had very different results.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But also to you also going to look at some
of the personalities of those respective districts, because Northeast Indiana
is a much different cultural tax creature, so to speak,
than West Central Indiana unless you got me living in
your community in West Central India. Well yeah, but then
again also too, something else that I'll want to bring
up in the whole referendum thing is our our good
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friend mister Beckwa showed up knocking on doors and the
lieutenant like, why are you here? You don't live here,
You're you're not from here. Do you want the story
behind that? Yes, Oh you don't know, Well I know
I knew he was knocking on doors trying to defeat
the referendum. I'm like, but I'm thinking like it was
more rhetorical. Why are you here?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay, So in the what I've now dubbed the last
supper with me and the governor, the final time we
were in each other's presence, and I knew this was
going to be the final time we were gonna see
each other in any sort of pleasantries. He had said
when he was laying out this property tax bill that
he was going to sign on to, which became said
at Bill Watt, and I said, who's gonna fight all
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these referendums that are gonna pop up everywhere? If you
signed this thing? Well, he said, I will go knock
on doors. I said, everybody in this room see that. Everybody,
everybody hear this, because I gotta feel and that ain't
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Mike bron didn't knock on a single door of these
any of these referendums.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
He uh.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And then Becklett said, you know later that during that type,
y'all do it too, And so then nobody was showing
up to knock on any doors. And so I started
publicly shaming him, and he couldn't stand that, so he
wasted a Saturday going out knocking on doors where I
sat in the comfort of my own own home with heat,
watching college football, and it's still passed.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Right and me that that was a bigger thing. I
would argue, the biggest loser in the and the in
the whole school referendum thing was Lieutenant Governor, because you
went on a limb is stuck your nose in other
people's business. You have no business here. To me, referendums
don't bother me. If people want to raise their own taxes,
that to me, that's perfectly fine. I have no qual
(17:00):
I have no problem with that. Just make sure it's
level playing field, not using no school.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
But it's not a level playing field when you can
have hundreds of school employees go out and organize and
knock on doors for their own pay benefit.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
That is not an organized playing field. But they but
Americans beat the British and American Revolution. Yeah again, not
every community has me right.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
But but but like in my mind when I had
said that to Braun, I knew he wasn't ever gonna
go knock the door like, hey, you got to be
part of an organized opposition, and boy, what a great headline.
They'd be governor and Lieutenant governor. Come help the help
the peasants that you just going and knocking on five
doors three weeks before the election or two weeks before
the election, not gonna do anything other than a photo
(17:42):
op for yourself.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And they lost. And it's actually easy to do because
you get the precinct lesson figure who voted in Republicans
primary and who did what, Like I go to Okay,
here's a donor, here's a friend, here's a friend.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well this is the but this is the thing with
the score, Like I knew that able when it was
gonna pass, because they were telling me that little opposition
there was nobody even knows this is going on.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
So well then you're done. You have to have.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
People very aware not only what's going on, but what
the actual impact of them is going to be. When
people see, oh, this is gonna cost me five hundred bucks,
well heck, I'll run through the gates of hell to
save myself five hundred dollars. You gotta get the doors,
you gotta get the signs, you gotta you know, have
the conversations.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
It is old fashioned World War One trench warfare. It
is what it is, and you gotta love it. You
gotta love watching the government fail in order to beat
these things. Also watch it for the mustard gas too.
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at what's going on with Indiana politics and government. Speaking
of the Lieutenant governor, uh not even a h not
even a blow torch. You took some sort of large,
(20:17):
high powered bazooka to him. On your Hindi politics website.
What is going on uh uh Micah beck with the
Lieutenant governor who's who's a big fan of both of us.
Uh these days SAT's name three times? So fastle up
here out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He went on the morning show on WHOO that's the
radio station in Ford Wayne. They're kind of like the
WBC radio of Ford Wayne, Indiana. Uh huh, and he
talked about some things that were going on in his office,
and he also talked about, uh, the the the grand
jury investigation that we've told that is looking into the
governor's Yes, the liutatda governor's office.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So we have been talking about this on this program
others for a long time, that the Marrion County Prosecutors
Office is looking into Micah Beckwit's office.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And we even said exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
We said, it's artificial intelligence, bography, allegations of artificial intelligence,
pornography and.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Ghost employment and goes employment.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And we said there's also a grand jury that has
been what I don't convene or whatever the word is,
and we said they're looking into this as well. Didn't
say anybody did anything, did anybody's guilty of anything, did
somenybody's gonna be convicted of anything. Didn't say anybody was
even gonna be indicted for anything. We just said looking
into this and they were so not happening, made up
smear this and blah blah blah, and then came out
(21:26):
was it last week, Hey, there's a grand jury exactly.
They're looking into ay I porn and uh ghost employment exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And he went on and who dogged me? Dog you said,
this isn't happening. I never saw the video, which we
know for a fact that it was still going on.
So because still doesn't exist, like okay, so why would
a grand jury look for something that doesn't that's not there? Cool?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And to be clear, there there was an allegend, at
least one we know of because she told the story
on our Kennel and Casey Show and on your Indie
politics website. Aaron Sheridan say her name, She identified herself
former advisor into the office. Claims that two individuals were
viewing AI porn in the office. They showed it to her.
(22:08):
She described it in great detail. She claimed that those
individuals said that the Lieutenant governor was aware of the
AI porn and then she also claimed Aaron Sheridan claimed
she took her objection or whatever complaint to shry Elis,
the chief of staff for the Lieutenant governor. She did
nothing about it. Now there Mike has said, not all
(22:31):
that's ridiculous, right, did that? None of that happened? He
claimed he did an investigation, then admitted he didn't do
any sort of forensic analysis, didn't bring a third party,
and didn't bring state police in. So I guess we're
just down to asking his guys, hey, did.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You do that?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Okay, investigation done here? Yeah, and then and the other
part of that too is not only is there a
grand jury looking at this whole situation, I having on
very good authority that instructions have been given to the
staff people. I don't know if it was mister beckwether
shehry Elis or someone, and someone in Lieutenant Governor's office
has basically told staff people do not cooperate with the
(23:04):
grand jury. Can you do that? No, you can't. Oh
that's felling it.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Oh you can tell somebody, don't You cannot tell somebody
don't cooperate.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Right, and particular if they're employees of yours. Now, if
you have nothing to hide, why would you say that exactly. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
What I thought was interesting about that interview because and
by the way, everybody should go read of tools piece
of in the politics, because I listened to the interview,
is that he the lieutenant governor and he just can't
stop talking. He can't stop hearing the sound of his
own voice. And for a guy who now knows and
has acknowledged finally that his office is under investigation by
(23:37):
the Marrion Kenny Prosecutor's office and a grand jury, he's
doing the worst thing imaginable just talking.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, but he did go ahead because one of the
things I always tell you is shut up, don't talk.
If you must make a public statement. I've been told
there's a grand jury. We welcome into investigation into our office.
You'll find that we've done everything above board. We maintain
the highest ethical standards. Blah blah. Use the standard line
and then shut up and don't say anything else else. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
A couple of things that stood out to me, and
then he touched on some of these in your piece.
One is he's going after the prosecutor, Ryan Meers, who
is is a Democrat. But why you would insult the
guy who hit your future is held in his little palm.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That is beyond stupid to me, particularly when things can
go either way. I was always taught Abdul, judges and
proscues will always be fair. We always treat you right now,
always treat you fairly. But if you if they can
go either way and they can justify going out of
the way, why get on the judges wrong side or
the prosecute is wrong side? Yeah? Why why? Why piss? Why?
Why why pick a fight when it's not necessary? Absolutely,
(24:37):
I have no idea why he will. Oh, I mean,
I know why he would do that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But the other thing is he's talking about according to
your Indie politics piece, and I'm you know from memory
hearing this article, he's talking about someone who in his
office who cooperated with the prosecutor's office. And yet then
he also claim James, he only heard about the grand
(25:02):
jury from the media. See, this is what this guy does.
He can't keep track of all the things he said,
and especially when he's rolling in real time. So on
one hand, he fed up from the grand jury from
the media, but then on the other hand, he acknowledges
this person in his office who he knows has talked
to the Mary Kenny prosecutor's office.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
What did he think they were doing? Playing tittley winks?
Is there a commandment that says dawshon not bear false witness?
Because when he a bar false witness, you got to
keep the story straight. You never have to remember the truth.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I mean, am I the only one who heard that?
Was like it seems like he kind of contradicted himself.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
There, no, no, he did? You heard him?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
All right? He is all that being said? And we
know the guy's a habitual liar. We know what he is.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But you can be a habitual liar and be a
politician and an elective official they're all over the place.
Doesn't make you a criminal, doesn't make you guilty of anything.
Do you think because he is the number two ranking
official in the state of Indiana, as ridiculous as he
may be, and if Merors comes after his office, whether
it's Micah or people in the office or whatever, that's
(26:00):
going to be a massive story and very controversial. Do
you think that ultimately, as you know probably more than
I do about all this, you have more sources than
I do, that there that this is gonna be something's
gonna go forward? Or do you think it's gonna be
something you know, three months or now we're gonna be like,
I guess that ended up being a whole bunch.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
If there is if there is proof or evidence that
the Lieutenant governor told his staff and instructed his staff
to not cooperate with any sort of grandeur investigation into
their office, then it is game on and game over
because those are felonies. Those A classics and class five felonies, period.
And if you are convicted, if you're if you're charged
with a felony, you do not have to give up
(26:37):
your office. But if you're convicted of a felony, you do,
plain and simple. So I would say, it is not
it is not out of the realm. It is in
our universe now, not necessarily our galaxy, but it's in
our it's it's in our reality. Okay. So and before
you let you go.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
The other thing that I thought we got about a
minute left here that I thought was interesting about this
is he was advocating on this radio interview for this
proposal to basically take the mile square away from Ryan Meres.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
And I was like, well, if anything's gonna.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Turbo charge this guy to go fast, now he hears
you out there advocating take away as authority to be.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Able to police the Lels Square. And here's the other
part too, there's some cons social issues with all that
because the county prosecutor is a is a prosecutor for
the county. Yes, And you can't do that unless you're
going to change the constitution. And for somebody supposed to
be you know, mister constitucial scholar and teaches lectures on
the Constitution, you might want to go read the damn thing.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Well. And like I said, I mean, they wouldn't be
able to get that to even if they passed it
in this session. It's always July that those laws take effect.
I would assume whatever mister Mirrors is or is not
looking into, he'll have finished by July.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
If it's not finished already, well, and we'll leave everyone
with that. BI look, I jamaz, thank you, thank you.
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