December 3, 2025 • 29 mins
The Indiana House of Representatives is meeting this week and appear ready to approve a new congressional map against public outcry. The real drama begins next week, when the senate will meet to discuss redistricting. Many believe the upper chamber still does not have the votes to approve Governor Mike Braun's top priority. Led by Rod Bray, could the Indiana Senate be set to deliver an embarrassing blow to Braun in front of the entire nation? Rob Kendall, Abdul-Hakim Shabazz, and Jim Merritt discuss on Statehouse Happenings.
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Speaker 3 (01:45):
Hello, we'll come in Vinvenue. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
All right, So let's start with registricting and of course,
so that is going on at the State House this week.
And us start with this, Jim. I think one of
the things that's so frustrating for people is they feel
like they're not being heard. And when you so the
(02:09):
House has reconvened this week on redistricting, and with less
than twenty four hour hours notice, you go, okay, we're
gonna have a public comment. People go, but how would
I get there? Like, what aren't I supposed to be
a part of this? Aren't I supposed to be? I mean,
the people just look at this and go okay. So
the just like with everything else, the fix is in.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know. It's uh.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That makes Senator Greg good town hall meeting so great
because he had he had had people had plenty of
time to plan. It was just for his district constituents alone,
and and uh and no one shows up to support
the idea of redrawing the districts.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And that I think they got two that's it? Okay,
think yesterday they got two?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Two people in the committee? I don't know, Abdul. You
took up an entire studio for a whole day recording it.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It was five hour hearing. Yes, so it was a
two out of the one hundred something not people who testified.
There was basically two people testified in favor, and one
guy was from the Heritage Foundation group that kind of
helped draw the maps.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So that's my point.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Marrey. You say, okay, the fixes in. You don't care
at all about good government, you don't care at all
about what the people think, you don't care about affecting
people's lives. You're just gonna do what you're gonna do.
And so this is just politics as usual.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well, you know, every every ten years, all the way
back to twenty twenty one and before that, they always
relied on data. They relied on on district lines, They
relied on the people in the district and who they represent,
and all the different situations that you know, people live in,
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and and and it's this is completely contrary to what
happened in twenty twenty one, eleven and before that. And
and I you've studied this, Abdul, but I've never seen
any data. I've never seen anything that supports these maps.
And they're they're going through the motions of transparency.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
When the maps were drawn ten years ago, I remember
having a conversation with Greg Stewtwall, because Greg drew the
maps for the house side of everything. Back in twenty twenty.
Back in twenty twenty one, we had a really detailed conversation.
I here's the data, here's the lines drawn obvious, we're
gonna drop to hey, Republicans, We're not gonna We're not
gonna go overboard. It'll be sort of the natural progression
of things. This time there there was no data. The
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lines are all zig zaggy s quick. Let's put it
this way. Here's how, here's how. Jack of the lines
are the ninth district, which is Aaron Houchen, which is
New Albany. The Higho River stretches all the way along
I sixty five and into the frank into Decatur and
Wayne townships in Indianapolis. Now, please note, what does Aaron
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Aaron's a good girl, lover to death. What does Aeron
know about thirty eighth and High School Road? Not the
same thing she knows about about everything.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Not much, not a darn thing all.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Come on, Maret, that was a good one.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Thirty eighth in High School Road has a lot more
in common with thirty eighth and Emerson than it does
with New Albany.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, and so let's go with that. Because Casey the
Kennel and Case show my day job. Most people know that,
I assume, but for those who don't. Nine to noon
ninety three point one WIBC in Indianapolis, we were talking
about just this which the disruption these maps would cause
in terms of the communities themselves. Right, the way commerce operates.
(05:40):
One of the things that you look at in the
northeastern part of the I'm sorry, northwestern part of the state,
that first congressional district, is it's all the people that
are in central time zone are together. That makes sense.
This new map would totally gut that up, and it
would stretch this map basically halfway across the state from
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the northwest corner halfway across the state. And you say,
a huge part of being a representative is just that
you represent like minded community. So you're not you're not
having to flip a coin or choose if people have
different interests, and you're right up duel, Indianapolis has nothing
in common with the southern tip of the state of Indiana,
and the figest too. I'll let you if you want
(06:21):
a second.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
East Chicago, which is closer to my hometown of Chicago,
has a lot of work come with the with the
Chicago metropolitan area than it does with Cocomo, because I
think about it goes straight, it's all the way down
to Howard County, like Howard Count's like sort of the
split the dividing line here.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Of course, you know, Robert, you raised a very good point.
In in nineteen eighty two, I worked for a member
of Congress and we were.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
When you were three years old.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
We were situated an office in Kokomo, and we went
all the way up to State Road thirty in Merrillville,
and we had time zone problems. We had people could
you know, we didn't have an office up there. It
was very hard to represent fourteen counties in different time zones.
And and uh, it's it just it's really disappointing that
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you're you're doing it. This is all political and we
haven't even gotten to the lawsuits. And in the cheat sheet,
and Billy, you did a really good job because we
know if it should this pass the Senate, and it
doesn't unless they really twist arms and break arms, it's
not going to pass the Senate. And and but if
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it does, by the end of next week, you know,
lawsuits galore will happen.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Would you really want your fate to be dependent upon
Todd Rokita.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Not in this situation.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
No, okay, So let's and by the way, I found
uh it's wants say be a clip off Todd Raketa
talk about fairy districting and drawing maps recently.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
It was like a YouTube clip.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, from twenty ten. So, mayor I wanted to go
there with this because obviously, which you're gonna try to
get to a lot here in the in the thirty
ish minutes that we have, but people we'll forget. So
Todd Rakey is now big prople the Attorney General of
Indiana's now a big proponent of these new maps, and
people forget, maybe including him. I don't know if he
suffered a head injury or what. But you know, fifteen
(08:11):
years ago Todd Roketa, to his credit, back when he
was a far more normal, decent member of society than
what we see today. In many cases, he proposed the
idea of essentially letting artificial intelligence or you know, an
independent source, not not even like the commissions or whatever
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we see now, but draw quote unquote fair maps like
that when people go, well, there's no such thing as
a fair map. Well, our now current Attorney General didn't
agree with that when he was a Secretary of State
because he took a great deal of grief over this position.
And you were in the Senate at the time.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Oh yeah, he did take a lot of grief. And uh,
because the code says that the legislature draws the maps.
I remember that very very clearly. And we always thought
that all the state wides got together with Mitch Governor
Mitch Daniels and he got the short end of the stick.
But of course the Secretary State at that time now
(09:11):
has something to do with elections, so he's the one
that went after it. And that was in twenty ten,
and so we were going to redraw the districts in
twenty eleven, and we really felt like he was just
kind of sticking his nose into it where he didn't
belong because no way. So this is nothing new, and
(09:32):
so yes, that happened. And it's amazing what fourteen years
will do or fourteen minutes, because people have been all
over the map on being against it, then supporting it,
and then against it, and it's just all a part
of what the day is. And he did come out.
(09:53):
It was a strong, strong push by him, but the legislature.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Just ignored it is. And here's even more fun party,
I double check something when because one the one thing
excuse is, well, Illinoy, they jerry mandered, there are maps
we need to fight Illinois and blah blah blah. Okay,
let's assumeing Illinoyd jerry mandered, because I did. And I
was like, yeah, we Jerry Madison. What are gonna do
about it? Because that's the Illinois attitude, which I can
love and respect. But that was back in twenty twenty one.
(10:19):
It's what four or five years right later. So if
you're gonna so the time to do all this, if
you were gonna do it, would have probably been back then.
They said like, hey, Eloyd, just your a manager. Their
maps want to make sure that Indiana's keeps its no representation.
So we're gonna do this. So Ellinoy twenty twenty one,
twenty two to a best in Indiana twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Four years later.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, late to the game.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well also late today.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I save it a time late to Sunday your talkols
else what else is new in this place?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But but you raise an interesting point that okay, illinoid
jerry mander of course, but so is Indiana. If you
look at the they they rigged Victoria's Sparks district because
they were worried she was gonna lose, and they made
Andre Carson stronger. Which is the hilarious thing about them
feigning this outrage over the seventh Congressional district being so blue. Well,
you guys just did it. And by the way, if
(11:05):
you I met a couple of people take a stab
at this and they said, okay, you might be if
you read drew like quote unquote fairly Illinois maps, you
could definitely get one more Republican seat, probably two. But
you have to factor in Chicago. You have to draw
all these districts around Chicago because of population. It's not
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like it would be an even split in Illinois and
Indiana is basically justice jerrymandered based on population as the
state of element.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Because they remind people that two thirds of the Ellwen's
population lubs above I eighty.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's right, if you look at it.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Supreme Court justices run for election and re election in
the state of Illinois, and if you look at their districts,
all the Supreme Court justices, not all of them, but
most of them huddle around Chicago and the rest. It's
just amazing. Let me have four or five Supreme Court
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justices in that Chicago Land area, and then the rest
is maybe two or three Republican seats. And so they
they do jerrymandering for everything, and it's it's it's it's
a shame. It's a shame because people aren't being represented correctly.
And I will give our Republicans a shout out. In
(12:24):
twenty twenty one, the Mervan's seat, the seat number one
is compact, and they could have done one thing or another,
but everybody lauded the twenty twenty one seats.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, I come back to the idea of the representation.
It's why it's called a representative. Senators a whole state, right,
that's the reflection of the state. The representative is supposed
to be a representative of an area of people, a
much smaller block of people. And it shouldn't actually be
about politics. It should be about I'm representing this group
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of people who share these points of commonality, these points
of common interest. And so when I go to Washington
and I vote, I'm voting on not the interest of
the Republican or Democrat party. I vote on the interest
of the people that I'm supposed to be representing, and
we are just admitting we are waving bye bye to
all of that.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I would say they're more than waving and we having
a middle finger.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, right, right, right, right, Okay, So let's talk about
by the way, listen to State House happening. Well, you
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(13:38):
because I think we all know it's going to pass
the House. I think we all all know. I mean,
look the hypocrisy of people like Jim Lucas or Craig
Haggard who were against it and our maps are fine
and they're great, and then suddenly they get threatened by
a podcast or go to the White House or whatever,
and now, oh, I've changed my I've changed my mind.
The Senate is where this is all going to get
(13:59):
the sided. Yes, and I have heard from multiple people
in the media who are in and around the State
House on a consistent basis they do not think the
Senate is going to vote for this, which that's where
the intrigue is. Jim, I will start with you. Is
there a world where the Senate allows Mike Brown to
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be humiliated in front of the entire country and votes
this down.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
You know, Abdul probably has the numbers better than I do.
But as far as I know, there are twenty Republicans
against it, and that and there are forty Republicans, so
half their caucus is against it. You've got to have
twenty five votes with the Lieutenant governor breaking the tie.
So somehow, some way they've got to twist five arms.
(14:46):
There are fifteen people that are for it as far
as we know, and so you need you need, and
all the Democrats are going to vote against so right
now as I right right now, thirty twenty twenty to
thirty tw only in support and thirty or against it.
I don't know how you find five votes.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So you're assuming if someone hasn't said they're fourth, they're
against it. They're just trying to avoid the micootchic treatment.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, which is smart.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, it's safety and which is really terrible in this society.
But I don't know how you find five votes in
those members of the Senate because My experience is that
when they've made a decision on this, and they all
made a decision in August, because it will have been
a lot better if they had done this in August
when nobody was watching, and now the world's watching. But
(15:35):
there are twenty people members of the Senate. There are Republicans,
they're against it. There are ten Democrats are against it.
That's thirty votes.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
It fails, and nothing to do is But but I
don't think people fully appreciate this kind of goes through
the culture of the of the legislature. Is Rod Bray
is a major institutionalist. Rob will protect the process, protect institution,
and protect his caucus. And to do this goes against
everything that they've done for and stood for since Rob
became since Rob became Center President.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, and every every Senate president in my lifetime is
Bobby Cardon, David Long been the same way.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, Okay, Jim, let me ask you this, because this
sort of comes down to how much juice does Rod
Bray actually have. Right, he's clearly against it, he doesn't
want it. Do you think he agreed to finally have
this vote because he just reached a point because Mike Braun,
the governor was was was insulting him, he was goating him,
(16:32):
he was threatening him. He finally just said, Okay, I've
tried to save you from yourself. Uh and and I've
done everything I can. I've warned you as politely as
but okay, now now we will just we will we
will do Like is that like in my mind? Like
I don't know, I mean, you know this process, is
that what could be going on here?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I think I think it goes back to uh, you know,
a parade and a posse and uh and and uh
and Odd felt the pressure, you know, and he's just
very very flexible and and uh he said in a
statement that that early on that we won't go back
(17:12):
in December because there isn't enough time. There are no
votes against it, and and uh and I think he's
I think he did a really good job of representing
his caucus and he said, we don't have the votes
against it. The pressure came on the caucus of various
and sundry people and their districts, and and uh they
(17:33):
they he said, okay, you know, we'll do it, but
it's gonna fail and uh and uh you know, so
so kind of kind of told you so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I think that's Is it that simple, because like he want,
you know, I talked to our colleagues in the media,
people who are there. You know, they've all said the
same thing. We don't think there's the votes, I said,
but I just can't picture them like embarrassing the governor
like this. But maybe he's reached the point where ope,
but you're assuming that the up Innos relationship with the
Senate is a normal relationship.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
It's not Hulcome in the Senate. It's not Mike Penson
the sent it's not miss Danels and it's Mike Braun.
And if you think at everything that Braun has done
so far, whether whether it's a property tax issue with
a healthcare issue, his whole thing. Rod has not built
the relationship. I'm sorry, not Rod, but uhn, Braun has
not built the relationship with the Senate that you need
(18:23):
for times like this and when you don't have it
and when you insult people, it's like, Okay, I was
going to use a colorful metaphor here, this is a
family program. Bring it on, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah, sure, I really think that.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I think that's the case that Rod in his leadership
circle kind of shrugged its shoulders. You've got your majority
leader that is for redistricting and and and it's every
man every woman for themselves in that caucus. And he thought, well,
you know, let's let's because Todd had opened the clock
(18:57):
on December first, uh and and made a plan for
the schedule, he said, well, let's do it, and uh,
we'll go through the motions nothing.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Now here's what I here's why I get really conspiratorial.
So so bear with me on this one. If if
let's some Rod and Todd talk to each other on
a regular basis, because I would if I were them.
He's like, hey, I could hear this conversation. Okay, senator,
We're gonna see you the worst possible map that we
could possibly draw and put together, so you have no
choice but to but to throw it down, right.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
And you know, I think the federal government uh probably
is lobbying uh these state senators through funding or lack thereof,
and that pressure comes down on that and and uh
you know what, they they probably felt like they had
to go to a special session or session what everyone
(19:48):
called December session, uh, just to prove that the votes
weren't there and uh uh it's it's a fickle time
and it's it's uh ruinous.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You talk about institutionalists.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I am one, and I believe in the system, and
I think that there's not enough time for transparency. We're
going to run into lawsuits, We're gonna run into time frames,
and uh it's it's just going to be disastrous.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh okay.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
So what was the name of the one book called
Skipping towards Gomor? I think it's what it was. What So,
there's a book grid back in the nineteen eight once
it's called Skipping toward Gomor is about the cultural decline
of American how America's just sort of running towards Gomora.
Like theoretically, everything that Bron's doing right now is skipping
towards the political gamora. It's like, hey, let's do this,
let's do this, and it's.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Not going to end well.
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Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well, No, I just get so wrapped up, like, hey, I.
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that and I think you're the perfect person to answer this.
So it really sounds like for the quote unquote undecided
that they are being asked to choose for lack of
(22:42):
a better term, And I know it doesn't it's not
the symbol, but it sort of comes out like like
a loyalty to somebody you gotta choose Bray or you
got to choose Braun. Those undecided people are going to
stick with Bray because he sort of decides their future, right,
not like Braun Rod committee assignments, you know, leadership all
that comes down to Ray, not Braun. If I push
comes to show, they're gonna stay with him.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
You know, I ran into a member of the Senate
when I was over there recently, and I and I
gave him a hug and and and I said, you've
got to support Rod, he said, And this person said,
I'm supporting my constituents. I It's it's overwhelming that they
don't want this. And uh, obviously Rod's out on that limb,
and they have to. But these these legislators take their
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constituents very very seriously. And in the meantime, they've got
to support their leader that that has inched out on
that limb. And and uh this means everything to to
uh the Senate to you know, follow their conscience and
and uh and vote their constituency. Because I'm here to
tell you they they have gone to great lengths in
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the last month or two to find out exactly where
the district is in the way of opinion on this.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
And I agree whole hardly because I don't I don't
think it's I don't. I don't think it's an either
or I do. I support the presidents with the President
of Senate. That's what what my constituents want, and my
constituents don't want it, then it's a very easy decision
to make. I don't have to choose, like, hey, my
people don't want it, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
I love this whole thing about a primary challenge. Okay,
you're gonna primary challenge me, not on healthcare, not on
property taxes, not infrastructure, not on schools, education, but you're
gonna primary over a congressional map. At the end of
the day, doesn't really affect anybody. Good luck making that case,
right on, mister Bagbee and tru you and Richay.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That'll be its own show around the holiday season, because
we like to showcase the best of ourselves. Uh the uh.
It is interesting though that these people think that this
is some magic bullet, and it's like you're gonna be outmanned,
you're gonna be out out moneyed, you're gonna be out infrastructured.
(24:49):
And look, you know me, I'm all for a bunch
of these dudes and dude ads going to the political
graveyard right in terms of their careers being over and challenges.
But to me, it's utterly ridiculous. Of all these issues
you could run on, the property taxes, the utility bills,
the gas tax, the I E.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
D C.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Corrupts all of that stuff. Right, You're like, no, I'm
all pened on redistricting. Those people are going down if
they think that's gonna be what's gonna get them across
the finish line. You're right, let's let's let's isolate that
because I've never heard that in the twelve years I've known.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I will say this again for linziman Uh, make a
note of this for the one for this one of
those rare moments we have Rob Kendall, Jim Marritt and Abdokimbos,
all all the planets in alignment with each other here.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yeah, you know, in twenty twenty, I had a bill
that would trade and that would uh transfer the area
of Geist uh into a into a conservancy district. I
believe the Geist that the residents need a clean lake,
clean water and uh and there are a lot of
people that were against that. But but that the people
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of Geist, the people of the residents that area really
wanted it because they didn't want to see guys die,
and and uh I stuck to it. We passed the
bill where others around did not want that. But you
always always think of your constituents first.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Okay, uh, this will well what they may or may
not vote by the next time we in the Senate
convene together for this award winning program, I will ask
you guys once again, as we've ended the last several programs,
do you think the Senate will ultimately vote on redistricting
and will it pass?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I say a vote yes, pass, no? Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I in the beginning, if you if we had a
tape of it in the fall, I didn't think they're
going to go to special session.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And it didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You're right about that, yeah, yeah, regular but.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I uh, I was surprised when when the Senate agreed
to go in uh next week.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
But I don't I.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I think that the twenty Republicans that are against this
will stay against it and it will not pass the Senate.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
All right, Well until next time, abill Qim shabaz, you merit,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Thank you.
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going on with Indiana politics and government. Before we begin
the program, let's meet the award winning panel. You know
him from thirty years in the Indiana Senate, the great
Jim Merrit. Hello, Robert, and you know him as the
owner operator of Indie Politics dot orgu doll keep Shabaz.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Hello, we'll come in Vinvenue. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
All right, So let's start with registricting and of course,
so that is going on at the State House this week.
And us start with this, Jim. I think one of
the things that's so frustrating for people is they feel
like they're not being heard. And when you so the
(02:09):
House has reconvened this week on redistricting, and with less
than twenty four hour hours notice, you go, okay, we're
gonna have a public comment. People go, but how would
I get there? Like, what aren't I supposed to be
a part of this? Aren't I supposed to be? I mean,
the people just look at this and go okay. So
the just like with everything else, the fix is in.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know. It's uh.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That makes Senator Greg good town hall meeting so great
because he had he had had people had plenty of
time to plan. It was just for his district constituents alone,
and and uh and no one shows up to support
the idea of redrawing the districts.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And that I think they got two that's it? Okay,
think yesterday they got two?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Two people in the committee? I don't know, Abdul. You
took up an entire studio for a whole day recording it.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It was five hour hearing. Yes, so it was a
two out of the one hundred something not people who testified.
There was basically two people testified in favor, and one
guy was from the Heritage Foundation group that kind of
helped draw the maps.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So that's my point.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Marrey. You say, okay, the fixes in. You don't care
at all about good government, you don't care at all
about what the people think, you don't care about affecting
people's lives. You're just gonna do what you're gonna do.
And so this is just politics as usual.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well, you know, every every ten years, all the way
back to twenty twenty one and before that, they always
relied on data. They relied on on district lines, They
relied on the people in the district and who they represent,
and all the different situations that you know, people live in,
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and and and it's this is completely contrary to what
happened in twenty twenty one, eleven and before that. And
and I you've studied this, Abdul, but I've never seen
any data. I've never seen anything that supports these maps.
And they're they're going through the motions of transparency.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
When the maps were drawn ten years ago, I remember
having a conversation with Greg Stewtwall, because Greg drew the
maps for the house side of everything. Back in twenty twenty.
Back in twenty twenty one, we had a really detailed conversation.
I here's the data, here's the lines drawn obvious, we're
gonna drop to hey, Republicans, We're not gonna We're not
gonna go overboard. It'll be sort of the natural progression
of things. This time there there was no data. The
(04:40):
lines are all zig zaggy s quick. Let's put it
this way. Here's how, here's how. Jack of the lines
are the ninth district, which is Aaron Houchen, which is
New Albany. The Higho River stretches all the way along
I sixty five and into the frank into Decatur and
Wayne townships in Indianapolis. Now, please note, what does Aaron
(05:00):
Aaron's a good girl, lover to death. What does Aeron
know about thirty eighth and High School Road? Not the
same thing she knows about about everything.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Not much, not a darn thing all.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Come on, Maret, that was a good one.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Thirty eighth in High School Road has a lot more
in common with thirty eighth and Emerson than it does
with New Albany.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, and so let's go with that. Because Casey the
Kennel and Case show my day job. Most people know that,
I assume, but for those who don't. Nine to noon
ninety three point one WIBC in Indianapolis, we were talking
about just this which the disruption these maps would cause
in terms of the communities themselves. Right, the way commerce operates.
(05:40):
One of the things that you look at in the
northeastern part of the I'm sorry, northwestern part of the state,
that first congressional district, is it's all the people that
are in central time zone are together. That makes sense.
This new map would totally gut that up, and it
would stretch this map basically halfway across the state from
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the northwest corner halfway across the state. And you say,
a huge part of being a representative is just that
you represent like minded community. So you're not you're not
having to flip a coin or choose if people have
different interests, and you're right up duel, Indianapolis has nothing
in common with the southern tip of the state of Indiana,
and the figest too. I'll let you if you want
(06:21):
a second.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
East Chicago, which is closer to my hometown of Chicago,
has a lot of work come with the with the
Chicago metropolitan area than it does with Cocomo, because I
think about it goes straight, it's all the way down
to Howard County, like Howard Count's like sort of the
split the dividing line here.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Of course, you know, Robert, you raised a very good point.
In in nineteen eighty two, I worked for a member
of Congress and we were.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
When you were three years old.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
We were situated an office in Kokomo, and we went
all the way up to State Road thirty in Merrillville,
and we had time zone problems. We had people could
you know, we didn't have an office up there. It
was very hard to represent fourteen counties in different time zones.
And and uh, it's it just it's really disappointing that
(07:10):
you're you're doing it. This is all political and we
haven't even gotten to the lawsuits. And in the cheat sheet,
and Billy, you did a really good job because we
know if it should this pass the Senate, and it
doesn't unless they really twist arms and break arms, it's
not going to pass the Senate. And and but if
(07:30):
it does, by the end of next week, you know,
lawsuits galore will happen.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Would you really want your fate to be dependent upon
Todd Rokita.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Not in this situation.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
No, okay, So let's and by the way, I found
uh it's wants say be a clip off Todd Raketa
talk about fairy districting and drawing maps recently.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
It was like a YouTube clip.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, from twenty ten. So, mayor I wanted to go
there with this because obviously, which you're gonna try to
get to a lot here in the in the thirty
ish minutes that we have, but people we'll forget. So
Todd Rakey is now big prople the Attorney General of
Indiana's now a big proponent of these new maps, and
people forget, maybe including him. I don't know if he
suffered a head injury or what. But you know, fifteen
(08:11):
years ago Todd Roketa, to his credit, back when he
was a far more normal, decent member of society than
what we see today. In many cases, he proposed the
idea of essentially letting artificial intelligence or you know, an
independent source, not not even like the commissions or whatever
(08:34):
we see now, but draw quote unquote fair maps like
that when people go, well, there's no such thing as
a fair map. Well, our now current Attorney General didn't
agree with that when he was a Secretary of State
because he took a great deal of grief over this position.
And you were in the Senate at the time.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Oh yeah, he did take a lot of grief. And uh,
because the code says that the legislature draws the maps.
I remember that very very clearly. And we always thought
that all the state wides got together with Mitch Governor
Mitch Daniels and he got the short end of the stick.
But of course the Secretary State at that time now
(09:11):
has something to do with elections, so he's the one
that went after it. And that was in twenty ten,
and so we were going to redraw the districts in
twenty eleven, and we really felt like he was just
kind of sticking his nose into it where he didn't
belong because no way. So this is nothing new, and
(09:32):
so yes, that happened. And it's amazing what fourteen years
will do or fourteen minutes, because people have been all
over the map on being against it, then supporting it,
and then against it, and it's just all a part
of what the day is. And he did come out.
(09:53):
It was a strong, strong push by him, but the legislature.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Just ignored it is. And here's even more fun party,
I double check something when because one the one thing
excuse is, well, Illinoy, they jerry mandered, there are maps
we need to fight Illinois and blah blah blah. Okay,
let's assumeing Illinoyd jerry mandered, because I did. And I
was like, yeah, we Jerry Madison. What are gonna do
about it? Because that's the Illinois attitude, which I can
love and respect. But that was back in twenty twenty one.
(10:19):
It's what four or five years right later. So if
you're gonna so the time to do all this, if
you were gonna do it, would have probably been back then.
They said like, hey, Eloyd, just your a manager. Their
maps want to make sure that Indiana's keeps its no representation.
So we're gonna do this. So Ellinoy twenty twenty one,
twenty two to a best in Indiana twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Four years later.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, late to the game.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well also late today.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I save it a time late to Sunday your talkols
else what else is new in this place?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But but you raise an interesting point that okay, illinoid
jerry mander of course, but so is Indiana. If you
look at the they they rigged Victoria's Sparks district because
they were worried she was gonna lose, and they made
Andre Carson stronger. Which is the hilarious thing about them
feigning this outrage over the seventh Congressional district being so blue. Well,
you guys just did it. And by the way, if
(11:05):
you I met a couple of people take a stab
at this and they said, okay, you might be if
you read drew like quote unquote fairly Illinois maps, you
could definitely get one more Republican seat, probably two. But
you have to factor in Chicago. You have to draw
all these districts around Chicago because of population. It's not
(11:27):
like it would be an even split in Illinois and
Indiana is basically justice jerrymandered based on population as the
state of element.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Because they remind people that two thirds of the Ellwen's
population lubs above I eighty.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's right, if you look at it.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Supreme Court justices run for election and re election in
the state of Illinois, and if you look at their districts,
all the Supreme Court justices, not all of them, but
most of them huddle around Chicago and the rest. It's
just amazing. Let me have four or five Supreme Court
(12:01):
justices in that Chicago Land area, and then the rest
is maybe two or three Republican seats. And so they
they do jerrymandering for everything, and it's it's it's it's
a shame. It's a shame because people aren't being represented correctly.
And I will give our Republicans a shout out. In
(12:24):
twenty twenty one, the Mervan's seat, the seat number one
is compact, and they could have done one thing or another,
but everybody lauded the twenty twenty one seats.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, I come back to the idea of the representation.
It's why it's called a representative. Senators a whole state, right,
that's the reflection of the state. The representative is supposed
to be a representative of an area of people, a
much smaller block of people. And it shouldn't actually be
about politics. It should be about I'm representing this group
(12:56):
of people who share these points of commonality, these points
of common interest. And so when I go to Washington
and I vote, I'm voting on not the interest of
the Republican or Democrat party. I vote on the interest
of the people that I'm supposed to be representing, and
we are just admitting we are waving bye bye to
all of that.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I would say they're more than waving and we having
a middle finger.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, right, right, right, right, Okay, So let's talk about
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(13:38):
because I think we all know it's going to pass
the House. I think we all all know. I mean,
look the hypocrisy of people like Jim Lucas or Craig
Haggard who were against it and our maps are fine
and they're great, and then suddenly they get threatened by
a podcast or go to the White House or whatever,
and now, oh, I've changed my I've changed my mind.
The Senate is where this is all going to get
(13:59):
the sided. Yes, and I have heard from multiple people
in the media who are in and around the State
House on a consistent basis they do not think the
Senate is going to vote for this, which that's where
the intrigue is. Jim, I will start with you. Is
there a world where the Senate allows Mike Brown to
(14:20):
be humiliated in front of the entire country and votes
this down.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
You know, Abdul probably has the numbers better than I do.
But as far as I know, there are twenty Republicans
against it, and that and there are forty Republicans, so
half their caucus is against it. You've got to have
twenty five votes with the Lieutenant governor breaking the tie.
So somehow, some way they've got to twist five arms.
(14:46):
There are fifteen people that are for it as far
as we know, and so you need you need, and
all the Democrats are going to vote against so right
now as I right right now, thirty twenty twenty to
thirty tw only in support and thirty or against it.
I don't know how you find five votes.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So you're assuming if someone hasn't said they're fourth, they're
against it. They're just trying to avoid the micootchic treatment.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, which is smart.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, it's safety and which is really terrible in this society.
But I don't know how you find five votes in
those members of the Senate because My experience is that
when they've made a decision on this, and they all
made a decision in August, because it will have been
a lot better if they had done this in August
when nobody was watching, and now the world's watching. But
(15:35):
there are twenty people members of the Senate. There are Republicans,
they're against it. There are ten Democrats are against it.
That's thirty votes.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
It fails, and nothing to do is But but I
don't think people fully appreciate this kind of goes through
the culture of the of the legislature. Is Rod Bray
is a major institutionalist. Rob will protect the process, protect institution,
and protect his caucus. And to do this goes against
everything that they've done for and stood for since Rob
became since Rob became Center President.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, and every every Senate president in my lifetime is
Bobby Cardon, David Long been the same way.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, Okay, Jim, let me ask you this, because this
sort of comes down to how much juice does Rod
Bray actually have. Right, he's clearly against it, he doesn't
want it. Do you think he agreed to finally have
this vote because he just reached a point because Mike Braun,
the governor was was was insulting him, he was goating him,
(16:32):
he was threatening him. He finally just said, Okay, I've
tried to save you from yourself. Uh and and I've
done everything I can. I've warned you as politely as
but okay, now now we will just we will we
will do Like is that like in my mind? Like
I don't know, I mean, you know this process, is
that what could be going on here?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I think I think it goes back to uh, you know,
a parade and a posse and uh and and uh
and Odd felt the pressure, you know, and he's just
very very flexible and and uh he said in a
statement that that early on that we won't go back
(17:12):
in December because there isn't enough time. There are no
votes against it, and and uh and I think he's
I think he did a really good job of representing
his caucus and he said, we don't have the votes
against it. The pressure came on the caucus of various
and sundry people and their districts, and and uh they
(17:33):
they he said, okay, you know, we'll do it, but
it's gonna fail and uh and uh you know, so
so kind of kind of told you so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I think that's Is it that simple, because like he want,
you know, I talked to our colleagues in the media,
people who are there. You know, they've all said the
same thing. We don't think there's the votes, I said,
but I just can't picture them like embarrassing the governor
like this. But maybe he's reached the point where ope,
but you're assuming that the up Innos relationship with the
Senate is a normal relationship.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
It's not Hulcome in the Senate. It's not Mike Penson
the sent it's not miss Danels and it's Mike Braun.
And if you think at everything that Braun has done
so far, whether whether it's a property tax issue with
a healthcare issue, his whole thing. Rod has not built
the relationship. I'm sorry, not Rod, but uhn, Braun has
not built the relationship with the Senate that you need
(18:23):
for times like this and when you don't have it
and when you insult people, it's like, Okay, I was
going to use a colorful metaphor here, this is a
family program. Bring it on, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah, sure, I really think that.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I think that's the case that Rod in his leadership
circle kind of shrugged its shoulders. You've got your majority
leader that is for redistricting and and and it's every
man every woman for themselves in that caucus. And he thought, well,
you know, let's let's because Todd had opened the clock
(18:57):
on December first, uh and and made a plan for
the schedule, he said, well, let's do it, and uh,
we'll go through the motions nothing.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Now here's what I here's why I get really conspiratorial.
So so bear with me on this one. If if
let's some Rod and Todd talk to each other on
a regular basis, because I would if I were them.
He's like, hey, I could hear this conversation. Okay, senator,
We're gonna see you the worst possible map that we
could possibly draw and put together, so you have no
choice but to but to throw it down, right.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
And you know, I think the federal government uh probably
is lobbying uh these state senators through funding or lack thereof,
and that pressure comes down on that and and uh
you know what, they they probably felt like they had
to go to a special session or session what everyone
(19:48):
called December session, uh, just to prove that the votes
weren't there and uh uh it's it's a fickle time
and it's it's uh ruinous.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You talk about institutionalists.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I am one, and I believe in the system, and
I think that there's not enough time for transparency. We're
going to run into lawsuits, We're gonna run into time frames,
and uh it's it's just going to be disastrous.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh okay.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
So what was the name of the one book called
Skipping towards Gomor? I think it's what it was. What So,
there's a book grid back in the nineteen eight once
it's called Skipping toward Gomor is about the cultural decline
of American how America's just sort of running towards Gomora.
Like theoretically, everything that Bron's doing right now is skipping
towards the political gamora. It's like, hey, let's do this,
let's do this, and it's.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Not going to end well.
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where we were going to from our sponsor. This like
like I just call off the turnament truck and don't
know what I'm doing.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well, No, I just get so wrapped up, like, hey, I.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Got you do Indian issues. I'll do State House Happenings.
And we love our sponsors, DeMar, Freedom Foods Indiana and
Honeysuckle Hill Bestrowing Cottage. Uh, Jim, this is the intrigue
that and I think you're the perfect person to answer this.
So it really sounds like for the quote unquote undecided
that they are being asked to choose for lack of
(22:42):
a better term, And I know it doesn't it's not
the symbol, but it sort of comes out like like
a loyalty to somebody you gotta choose Bray or you
got to choose Braun. Those undecided people are going to
stick with Bray because he sort of decides their future, right,
not like Braun Rod committee assignments, you know, leadership all
that comes down to Ray, not Braun. If I push
comes to show, they're gonna stay with him.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
You know, I ran into a member of the Senate
when I was over there recently, and I and I
gave him a hug and and and I said, you've
got to support Rod, he said, And this person said,
I'm supporting my constituents. I It's it's overwhelming that they
don't want this. And uh, obviously Rod's out on that limb,
and they have to. But these these legislators take their
(23:27):
constituents very very seriously. And in the meantime, they've got
to support their leader that that has inched out on
that limb. And and uh this means everything to to
uh the Senate to you know, follow their conscience and
and uh and vote their constituency. Because I'm here to
tell you they they have gone to great lengths in
(23:48):
the last month or two to find out exactly where
the district is in the way of opinion on this.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
And I agree whole hardly because I don't I don't
think it's I don't. I don't think it's an either
or I do. I support the presidents with the President
of Senate. That's what what my constituents want, and my
constituents don't want it, then it's a very easy decision
to make. I don't have to choose, like, hey, my
people don't want it, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
I love this whole thing about a primary challenge. Okay,
you're gonna primary challenge me, not on healthcare, not on
property taxes, not infrastructure, not on schools, education, but you're
gonna primary over a congressional map. At the end of
the day, doesn't really affect anybody. Good luck making that case,
right on, mister Bagbee and tru you and Richay.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
That'll be its own show around the holiday season, because
we like to showcase the best of ourselves. Uh the uh.
It is interesting though that these people think that this
is some magic bullet, and it's like you're gonna be outmanned,
you're gonna be out out moneyed, you're gonna be out infrastructured.
(24:49):
And look, you know me, I'm all for a bunch
of these dudes and dude ads going to the political
graveyard right in terms of their careers being over and challenges.
But to me, it's utterly ridiculous. Of all these issues
you could run on, the property taxes, the utility bills,
the gas tax, the I E.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
D C.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Corrupts all of that stuff. Right, You're like, no, I'm
all pened on redistricting. Those people are going down if
they think that's gonna be what's gonna get them across
the finish line. You're right, let's let's let's isolate that
because I've never heard that in the twelve years I've known.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I will say this again for linziman Uh, make a
note of this for the one for this one of
those rare moments we have Rob Kendall, Jim Marritt and Abdokimbos,
all all the planets in alignment with each other here.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yeah, you know, in twenty twenty, I had a bill
that would trade and that would uh transfer the area
of Geist uh into a into a conservancy district. I
believe the Geist that the residents need a clean lake,
clean water and uh and there are a lot of
people that were against that. But but that the people
(25:58):
of Geist, the people of the residents that area really
wanted it because they didn't want to see guys die,
and and uh I stuck to it. We passed the
bill where others around did not want that. But you
always always think of your constituents first.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Okay, uh, this will well what they may or may
not vote by the next time we in the Senate
convene together for this award winning program, I will ask
you guys once again, as we've ended the last several programs,
do you think the Senate will ultimately vote on redistricting
and will it pass?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I say a vote yes, pass, no? Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I in the beginning, if you if we had a
tape of it in the fall, I didn't think they're
going to go to special session.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And it didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You're right about that, yeah, yeah, regular but.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I uh, I was surprised when when the Senate agreed
to go in uh next week.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
But I don't I.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I think that the twenty Republicans that are against this
will stay against it and it will not pass the Senate.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
All right, Well until next time, abill Qim shabaz, you merit,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Thank you.
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Rob Kendall, Jim Merritt a goil keeps your Baz. The
program at State House Happening is your weekly look at
what's going on with Indiana politics and a government. Don't
forget You can find it Jim Merrett on Twitter at
Jim Underscore Merit at Jim Underscore Merit and don't forget
his a very fabulous Merit in the Morning podcast Merit
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well as Facebook. Abdul on Twitter at at Tyabduel at
(29:02):
at Tyabduel and be shut a book mark and keep
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dot o rg me. I'm on Twitter at Robinkendall at
Robinkendall and you can hear me weekdays nine until noon,
weekdays nine until noon the Kendall and Casey Show on
ninety three point one WIBC. So with us wrapping up
(29:24):
the program this week, we'll look ahead to next week
and all eyes will be on the Indiana Senate as
they are likely to take up an approved redistricting map
from the Indiana House of Representatives. What is going to happen,
nobody's sure, but we will be here to cover it
what we know at the time. On State House happenings,
that's going to do it for us this week from DULA,
(29:44):
keeps you Baz for Jim Merritt, I'm Rob Kendall. You've
been listening to State House happenings.
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