October 15, 2025 • 29 mins
Within hours of each other, multiple polls showed that Hoosiers are down on redistricting and their governor. As sour as Indiana residents appear to be on changing congressional maps, they may be even less impressed with Mike Braun's performance. On this week's Statehouse Happenings, Rob Kendall, Abdul-Hakim Shabazz, and Jim Merritt discuss why the governor and General Assembly won't let redistricting go, and how Braun can right the ship.
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State House Happenings, your weekly look at what's going on
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let's beat the award winning panel. You know him from
thirty years in the Indiana Senate. Jim Merritt, Hello, and
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Speaker 3 (01:45):
Dua Keeps Shabaz. Hello, Logan.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
All right, so let's start with the uh. Let's sort
of like meet the new boss same as the old boss.
The Tally doesn't change. And yet the conversation continues, and
that is that there have been two poles come out
on redistricting, and neither one of those polls shows any change.
And now Hoosiers are feeling about redistricting, which is they
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don't they don't want it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
They don't want it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Before we get into the polls, Jim, you know these people,
while you had the misfortune of spending thirty years around them,
why can't they just give it up? Clearly, there has
not been a single poll produced, not only that shows
Whosiers wont it or it's even close, like it's not
it's just not a thing. And yet we're still having
this conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, it's obvious to me that Vice President Vance, who's
been to Indiana twice now, is making quite an impact
on my my former fellow brethren in the legislature. And
and uh, it's it's undeniable how much the federal government
does impact and specifically the Trump administration does impact the
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state of Indiana. And and uh, Senator Banks, Senator Jim
Banks coming back on Air Force too with with Vice
President JD. Vance to convince his former brethren, uh, to
we all know he was a State senator. Uh, to
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have this special session. It's gonna if you do it right,
you're gonna have to have hearings. You're gonna it's gonna
take two weeks. No, I bet you know. I'm gonna
do it right type of guy. So that's why you're
not there anymore. Yeah, well, yeah, you guys think of
them not doing it right. But if they're gonna do
it right, it's gonna take a couple of weeks. And uh,
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and I'm sure the push and the pull and the
tug is present down the market street from us, and so, uh,
I believe it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
At one point, I didn't think so, but I do
think it will. And I think that anybody thinks that
is under the consideration that uh Congressman Frank Mr Van
Junior is an easy out and won't be the new
that won't be the congressman in twenty twenty seven is
(04:06):
teasing themselves. I think he has a.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I think called smoking crack.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I think I think it ignites. I think it ignites
Northwest Indiana. I think he's beloved and uh, and so
anybody that thinks that they're going into session to redistrict
to uh come out of it with a district that
doesn't take into consideration uh Congressman Yakam's district up in
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the South Bend area as well as Yes, I think
it's like mercury bottle. You know, you're you know who
you're going to pay Peter to steal from, you know the.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Whole rob Peter to pay Paul. Right, very good, rock
Peter write a bad check to Paul.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, all right, So let's keep the results here and
then I'll go to you abdul So the Star, and
he started a nice job of kind of compartmentalizing these
two poles. First of all, there was what is this
three D research? I believe was the groups. Now, now
both of these pollsters are Republican based polsters, these are
not radical left groups. Three D strategic research, and they
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had what they have here, what was it, fifty twenty
one in favor.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Something? What was it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Sixty nine? Okay, yes, this is the number. Twenty one
percent of the people are agreed with the statement, counter
the one sided partisan maps that Democrats have drawn in
states like Illinois, New York.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And California.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
While sixty nine percent of voters agree with the statement quote,
there's no need to spend our time or money on
mid decade redistricting. So that's three D Strategic Research sixty
nine A POSE twenty one support. Then there was another
one done by and this was for the Independent Indiana
People North Star Opinion Research poll. The opposition was at
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fifty three percent, and so on both of these polls
you have a majority of people saying they do not
want redistricting, and yet they're still going with this.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Why well, my Republican friends are cought between a rock
and a hard place. On the one hand, you have
the Trump people really pushing for drawing new maps, and
you have the people who vote for these guys say
we don't want new maps. Everything is just fine, and
so Republicans are in a bit of a bund uh. Now.
When jad Advance was here talking to Republicans, I found
(06:31):
out I did to find out the exact nature of
the conversation, still working on that, but what I did
find the atmosphere was very It was very polite. He
did a lot of talking, they did a lot of listening,
and that was that was it. Thank you for coming
to have a nice day. But I don't think I
don't think that we needle moved at all. I think
the Republicans were still opposed to this reditioning plan. They're
still opposed to have some more hopefully have some more
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details later on this week. And also, by the way,
when we're talking to one of the posters who actually
pulled this this week as well for Saturday show, to
find out what's going through the minds of the of
the Hoosia voter. But at the end of the day, nobody,
nobody thinks this is a good idea or thinks this
is going to end well. And I frankly think Republicans
are just going through the motions right now. I do think, Jim,
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they'll probably past maps the maps to be thrown out
for violating eight million different things. The next day we
did it and now it didn't work and it's done.
And also too Speaker Houston Center Rod Ray want to
protect their caucuses, plain and simple.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, So are these people aware, because I think this
is the bigger risk is people are looking at this
going okay, polish poles just people know they don't want it.
A majority of people clearly don't want it. You're not
producing any poles to show people do want it. There's
not a single lawmaker who's been able to come out
and go, look at this, just trove of emails of
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people who are passionate about this, and people look at
this gym and they go, so you'll do all this
for something we don't want, but something we really do want,
like property taxes, you won't do anything for.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I mean, there's a.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Real chance of backlash on that when people you started
kind of expose yourself to people what your priorities are.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, I think I think there could be backlash. But
I still think that people are concerned about inflation, they're
concerned about food, they're concerned about their their their energy, uh,
they're concerned about their property taxes. But but when it
comes down to it to the average voter, the average Hoosier,
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they they they always they seem to get back to
the idea of a pox on all your houses. And
I think the backlashes is good for Frank Mrvan and
and that sort of thing, because it's kind of a
it's a mantra, it's something to go to battle about.
And so when it comes down to it, twenty twenty six,
(08:51):
the election is just about a year away. I think
though that that that we're dealing in a TikTok type
of world where, uh, you know what am I mad about?
What am I concerned about right now? And and what
they're concerned about when they go to vote a year
from now will be totally different than what it is
(09:13):
today exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
And also too, I want to say and instead of
brings last thing I thought was very telling at the
very end, say no, we we listen to the Vice
president blah blah blah blah that we'll take back, We'll
talk amongst our caucus and listen to what our constituents
want us to do. That is that's the out right
there with that led last line, because leg all the
polling and you can and you can bet a million
dollars uh at the at these Third House meetings, and
(09:36):
you know Center Republican caucuss is doing the polling left
and right. And I want to say I got details
another poll. There's another one, yeah, that that they're sort
of quietly pulling and see what the district is and
nobody wants this.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
How do they sell it if they do it?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Because at this point, it's the kid's been at this
for months, You've drugged this out for months. Every time
you come out and don't do something, I think it
gets worse. For if they go forward with it, what's
the cell are they just like, well, say it's republic
and we don't really fear you people, and we're just
gonna do what we want you.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
In retrospect, it would have been a lot better in
August or July to rip that band aid off and
it be healed by now yep, and and.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
But it would have been summertime. Nobody wouldn't fan attend. Well.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The other part of this too is I I, of
course I'm against the redistricting, but I'm kind of surprised.
And it shows you that Houston and Bray really don't
want it, because if they wanted it, they'd say, all right,
Braun calls special session. We're putting this up on the floor.
We dare you to vote against this. We dare you
to run against us, even if you don't want it
or your constituents don't want it. And the fact that
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they haven't done that, I mean, they can make these
guys do about whatever they want to do, the fact
that they haven't done that tells you where the leadership
of this of this party is as it relates to
general Assembly.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
And here's the thing to think about.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Two.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Let's say Republicans don't redistrict, which I think is more
likely going to happen. There's always a chance of where
it could happen. I don't think Republic's gonna redistrict. You do, So,
you guys are odds on this. You think they will? Yeah,
I do. I do think they want don't. I don't
think they will? Very good, Okay, but here's the thing.
If you're got to get a primary challenger, what's the
primary challenge you're gonna run on? Right? Because you got
it because remember to get rid of somebody at office.
(11:16):
And hey, here's why they're bad. Here's why I'm good.
They're bad because they didn't redraw a line on a
on a map that technically exists on paper. Meanwhile, my
health care costs are going up. I can't my kids
can't find a job after college anymore. The housing stock
market is housing market is going through the through the
freaking floor here, and you're talking to me about a
redistricting line.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, it appears very Jim and an electropop And it
appears they appear very out of touch when there's all
these things they could be should be addressing and they're
just not.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I think they will.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I think I think Abdul's right, you'll get thrown out,
but they'll they'll be able to say they did. You
look at how Trump deals on the world stage with
with with this RNGK and and and pushing his strength
to convince parties that never agreed on anything to agree
on something and and uh. Sarah Banks and vice person
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Vance probably put a pretty good show on on how
the how the federal government is helping Indiana and will
help Indiana in the future.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
What's the argument with that, Jim. If you don't then,
if you don't do this, then we're gonna stop helping you.
This is what I've never understood with the strong What
is the strong arm here? You're super red state that
has been loyal to the president. If you don't do
this one thing, you're out.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
In that show. Yeah, it's like, hey, if you don't
do this at that royal hospital you need over in Seymour,
uh it may get delayed or you know, you guys
want to toll that road I seventy Uh, well make
it look paperwork may get lost. You know really, yeah, well, there.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Are a lot of states. There are a lot of
states that need help right now.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
And in Indiana and there's a line and Indiana is
notorious this and this is the the hidden almost sort
of hip hippocritical thing about Indiana. They hate the federal government,
but the the federal government's money.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Sure, yeah, well that's not a hidden fact.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I'm just saying the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yes, yes, And you know, it goes back to when
we were when we were looking at point one oh
and and uh ba c blog blood alcohol content and
in the threat from the federal government that if we
didn't go to point o eight we would lose highway monies.
I mean that that that is a very very bold threat.
(13:30):
And we went to point o eight. It was a
good idea, but that threat was out there and it
was it was really really real. That was a stick
yeah yeah, well yeah, just hanging over yeah, rock being thrown.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So what you're saying for bow aware, Once upon a
time the blood alcohol level and Stevenino was one was.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
One yes and driving when wild drunk right, and the.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Federal government basically came together and said you got to
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with Indiana politics and government. There was more than just
redistricting in these polls that were done both by three
D Strategic Research and north Star Opinion Research. They both
pulled about Braun and he stinks, boy, this is Disasterville.
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So three D had him at thirty two percent favorable,
forty six percent unfavorable. North Star had him at twenty
four favorable, forty three unfavorable.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Jim, this is a night for Actually, it's very consistent
with the polls.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well, well, I'm gonna get to that, but that's what
I'm saying. I mean, this is the all of these polls, Like.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
These numbers, you go woo, but then you realise they
sort of match up with whether it's the politicians or
the redistricting, they match up with other all the other
kind of all the other polls. Jim Brown hasn't even
been there nine months. He's just been there nine months.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
This is horrible.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yes, I I always kind of put myself in the
shoes of the governor. If I'm governor, I'm concerned Now
if now are they concerned in Room two or six
in the in the State House and the Governor's office,
I'm not sure because they've been pretty much governing by
executive order right now. Uh, they had a session that
was you know, and I always say that budget sessions,
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the first one really makes the governor's first term because
by the time the second bust budget sessions coming, you're
running for re election. And so I would be concerned
about the poll. I'm not sure if the if the
bron people are actually because they can with one fell
swoop to an executive order on whatever they feel that
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is necessary.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Everything but property taxes. No executive orders allowed there.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, and and uh and rightfully, so I think that
needs to be a public you know, transparency. But but uh,
I think I think this group over in the governor's
office is should I think I think I'd be calling mayors,
I'd be talking to grassroots. I'd be you know, when President.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Clinton having a relationship with those people.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yes, I would establish that realationship. When when when when
Clinton and Obama got wax in a midterm, what they
did was they started looking at school uniforms and the
little putts. I would I would be uh, finding a
small communities and and having small victories in all nine
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two counties because you know, Broun did a really job
when he was US saiator talking to all the counties
and making it through those counties every year.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's what I would be doing right now.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Duel is part of the part of but one of
the biggest problems is his signature issue. The thing he
ran on He ran on begrudgingly, but he ran on it,
which is property taxes ended up being a complete dumpster fire.
That everyone hates your You can't have your thing. You
can have some people hate it, you can't have all
of the people hate it. And in this case, whether
it's the mayor's, the schools, or me, everybody hates it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Well, I will give the bron folks credit. They managed
to the United State of Indiana bring all these different facts.
We talk about device for government these days. No, everybody
pay us that. Everybody think this sucks.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
No.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
But to go back to what Jim said, I do think,
I think the I think the I think the broad
administration is basically in two camps right now. You know
the people who are like, oh my god, we need
to turn this around right now, you know, they'll be like, A,
I don't worry about It'll be just fine. That that's
probably just coming from one individual who uh Josh Kelly,
yash we got, Jasha, we got do have a long law.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That is the governor's chief of staff. And I think
you touched on this. He puts somebody in charge and
look in a weird way, it's sort of now, Josh
Kelly knows a lot more about government than Micah Beckwit's
chief of staff, but it's sort of the same thing
when you put some loyalist around you who doesn't know
how the system works. And in the sense of Josh Kelly,
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he doesn't know how state government works. He doesn't have
the relationships. He was a you know, he was a
what do they call it, what what would you help
people get elected? Political consultant?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Right?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Yeah, yeah, for someone like Josh in the administration is
I'm not saying that Josh doesn't have a doesn't have
a role in the administration. I would say, Josh thing
that right hand man, that that senior that's senior, that
senior policy advisor, that senior advisor to the governor, like, hey,
bat this around. But you have a chief of SEO
knows how the government works and can make the trains
run on time. And what we're seeing is with all
this sort of disarray, even though for redistricting, like we
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should be shouldn't be having this discussion, but human Sev
put it like, no, we're not talking about this. We're
gonna take our proper text, don't take our health care
and take your goals and that's it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, And that's part of the problem, Jim, is when
you put somebody without those relationships or knowledge in that position,
you don't have the ability to bring all the puzzle
pieces together. And Braun's puzzle is totally discombopulated.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Well, yes, and and you know, you go back to
Mitch Daniels, who was kind of his own chief of staff. Uh,
Earl go my way, Earl good Uh, you know, was
the chief of staff. But but when it really came
down to it that that, uh, that Mitch would work
with a mayor. Mitch would work with the department head.
He wouldn't actually work with an intern. Being governor, you
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have to understand the details and and.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Understood the details, yes, miss not sometimes missed acually smarter
than the agency.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Well, and that's that's.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
A great point, which is there's not been a governor
since Smitch who understands the details. Pends had no idea
holcom it's coming out, had no idea, not that we
didn't already know that. And Braun, I mean, I always
feel like when I remember in the first Halloween where
Loomis is talking about Michael Myers and I this is
something like I tried to reach him, but there was
nothing there, like just blankness staring back at me. I
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feel that that's Braun with everything that he just has
no idea what's.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Going And then Governor Daniels I was at the Economic
Club luncheon one time and he was a speaker and
he had a PowerPoint and it went on for twenty
five or thirty minutes, and he did it without notes,
and he just knew everything going on in his government.
And the bron people are from a different ilk And
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you have to call up that mayor and just say,
how how are you? You know, what what can I
do for you? And I think this last session, if
you look at the city councils around the state of Indiana,
they're really struggling with with understanding Center built one and
how it impacts them and how they make the trains
run on time. And and this makes them very very
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irritable and and and you got to you gotta put
salva on that wound.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
When Miss Daniels tells you that don't do Mike, don't
do just don't do redistricting. It's a bad idea. This
is not going to end well that that should have
been enough.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, somebody else that got pulled on. It's gonna break
your heart because it's not good results. But Diego Morales
got pulled on both of these poles. The Street three
D Strategic Research poll has the Indiana Secretary of State
at nine percent viewing favorably. Twenty one Well, he might
have got some family members in there, but they took
a day off the poll, twenty one percent view him unfavorably.
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And then in the North Star Opinion Research poll, five
percent viewing favorably, seventeen percent under unfavorably. So he's underwater
in both these poles. But what's amazing is he's basically
campaigned every day, twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week for three years. He spent all his tax
payer money to legally campaign, and nobody knows who the
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guy is.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Well, it's amazing and seen story real quick here.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Friday night was the Mary County Lincoln Day Dinner Republican
republic Republican Republican dinner, and I was. I got invited
because of what I do for a living. And I
was at I had a VIP, I had a few
I sked at the VIP table and who was at
the VIP table. Who is at the table with me?
Diego Morale. It was like, wow, this is kind of interesting,
and they go had that sort of nervous life, like, okay,
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mister secretary, for tonight, this table is Switzerland. We're neutral territory.
But just this table. The rest of it, it's freaking
world war world world War two, but Switzerland for right
now is neutral. And and trust me, when people found
out that abdul diegle we're out what they Yeah, it was.
It was a very awkward moment.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Now if you're bow bye, by the way, he's getting
a lot. He has a lot of rich friends. I
need more rich friends. I do not have someone who
can write me those sort of checks. He's got a
lot of yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got a lot of
money that's starting to roll in, as we predicted his
likely Democrat opponent. Are you happy that nobody knows who
he is? Because on one end, you can paint him
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however you want to paint him, and they'll figure out
a whole bunch of stuff that other people can't.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Would be my gas.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But on the other hand, Diego's pulled all this crap
and people don't know about it. So where are you
at if you're bo Bayer? Do you like that that
nobody knows who he is still? Or are you like well,
he's done a lot of stuff people should know.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Well, I would I would argue if you're if you're
bow bye, you you you sort of got you got.
You've got a couple of different tracks. We when you
got to buy name which in establishment Democrat universe, oldest
tip old old attatshment. It's not as bad as it's
not as good as you speak, but still a wasn't
your father like a governor or something like that?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And then you got you imagine, hey wasn't like, Hey,
wasn't your dad the governor? Like when you're growing up,
what does your dad do for a living? You know
he's the governor and he used to be a government
like our parents. What did your dad do.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
For a living? You don't know anything about it?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, And then and then on the other track, you've
got uh so the people, he's got the he's got
the money in the resources to induce some stuff to
vote it. Hey, I'm bow bye. I believe in public service.
My dad, sir, my grandfather's are wanted to help who
We all know the same song and dance and if
you could do that, I think it's in a much
better position. And also, by the way, too, if you're Republicans.
Dave Sheldon's looking a whole lot better today. The Knox
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County clerk who's gonna run against Diego in the convention. Now,
Da've still got some challenges to deal with, But I
think Dave Shelton's in a much stronger position today. I
predict that to those poll numbers than anything else, because
also number two, it's not the public who votes it's the.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Delegates who put the convention. Now.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Shelton was on our show earlier this week and he's
flip flopped on the redistricting now and he didn't have
a good answer for it, and buy our Diego. I
would crush him with that flip flop. But Diego's so
inept and lazy he may not even catch on. But
Shelton seems to think the boring's gonna work, And I like,
I'm not even I'm not trying to. And I like Shelton,
and he's very good, and he's very very commedy. He'd
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be probably very good at the job, infinitely better than Diego.
I just think you got to bring some smoke in
the corners of the state on who Diego is. And
he seems to think he'd not go out to do that.
He can just run and government compency. That's going to
be fascinating to me on just how many people are
willing to reject Diego Morales, especially with a legitimate Democrat opponent.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Well, but way back when when bo Bay's father was
running and we tried boring against Evan Bye and it
didn't work.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And different state though, right exact.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Different political world. But if you look at the Secretary
of States race right now, and you're talking about Diego
versus versus Dave Shelton, there are two camps in the
Republican Party. There are two camps. One once the boring
that the quiet people, the quiet force out there, and
(26:41):
I hear about them every time we talk about this.
I hear from the the the quiet voter, maybe not
the quiet delegate, but the quiet voter that doesn't want
anything to do with Diego. Then I hear it from
the establishment outside the fifteenth two counties whatever WWBC reaches
(27:04):
UH that that that are forcefully behind Ruketa, they're forcefully
behind Micah beck With and they're forcefully behind uh Diego.
And and I've been out on college campuses talking about
the lifeline law I hear a lot from a lot
of different people, and and so it's going to be
interesting to see what happens, because as far as I know,
(27:26):
Dave Shelton cannot jump into a room of two hundred
and fifty people and make everybody his friend. And and
that is what that individual is gonna have to do
to win the nomination and to beat to beat bo Bye,
because Boring is not going to beat bo Bye.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
No, you're right to beat Evan by No. You know
we got all ten seconds of Bill go ahead.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I would ure Boring probably beat Siega Morales, but not
necessarily beats bow bye.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, all right, as usual at the time flies by
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Speaker 3 (01:45):
Dua Keeps Shabaz. Hello, Logan.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
All right, so let's start with the uh. Let's sort
of like meet the new boss same as the old boss.
The Tally doesn't change. And yet the conversation continues, and
that is that there have been two poles come out
on redistricting, and neither one of those polls shows any change.
And now Hoosiers are feeling about redistricting, which is they
(02:09):
don't they don't want it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
They don't want it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Before we get into the polls, Jim, you know these people,
while you had the misfortune of spending thirty years around them,
why can't they just give it up? Clearly, there has
not been a single poll produced, not only that shows
Whosiers wont it or it's even close, like it's not
it's just not a thing. And yet we're still having
this conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, it's obvious to me that Vice President Vance, who's
been to Indiana twice now, is making quite an impact
on my my former fellow brethren in the legislature. And
and uh, it's it's undeniable how much the federal government
does impact and specifically the Trump administration does impact the
(02:54):
state of Indiana. And and uh, Senator Banks, Senator Jim
Banks coming back on Air Force too with with Vice
President JD. Vance to convince his former brethren, uh, to
we all know he was a State senator. Uh, to
(03:14):
have this special session. It's gonna if you do it right,
you're gonna have to have hearings. You're gonna it's gonna
take two weeks. No, I bet you know. I'm gonna
do it right type of guy. So that's why you're
not there anymore. Yeah, well, yeah, you guys think of
them not doing it right. But if they're gonna do
it right, it's gonna take a couple of weeks. And uh,
(03:35):
and I'm sure the push and the pull and the
tug is present down the market street from us, and so, uh,
I believe it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
At one point, I didn't think so, but I do
think it will. And I think that anybody thinks that
is under the consideration that uh Congressman Frank Mr Van
Junior is an easy out and won't be the new
that won't be the congressman in twenty twenty seven is
(04:06):
teasing themselves. I think he has a.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I think called smoking crack.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I think I think it ignites. I think it ignites
Northwest Indiana. I think he's beloved and uh, and so
anybody that thinks that they're going into session to redistrict
to uh come out of it with a district that
doesn't take into consideration uh Congressman Yakam's district up in
(04:31):
the South Bend area as well as Yes, I think
it's like mercury bottle. You know, you're you know who
you're going to pay Peter to steal from, you know the.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Whole rob Peter to pay Paul. Right, very good, rock
Peter write a bad check to Paul.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, all right, So let's keep the results here and
then I'll go to you abdul So the Star, and
he started a nice job of kind of compartmentalizing these
two poles. First of all, there was what is this
three D research? I believe was the groups. Now, now
both of these pollsters are Republican based polsters, these are
not radical left groups. Three D strategic research, and they
(05:06):
had what they have here, what was it, fifty twenty
one in favor.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Something? What was it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Sixty nine? Okay, yes, this is the number. Twenty one
percent of the people are agreed with the statement, counter
the one sided partisan maps that Democrats have drawn in
states like Illinois, New York.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And California.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
While sixty nine percent of voters agree with the statement quote,
there's no need to spend our time or money on
mid decade redistricting. So that's three D Strategic Research sixty
nine A POSE twenty one support. Then there was another
one done by and this was for the Independent Indiana
People North Star Opinion Research poll. The opposition was at
(05:54):
fifty three percent, and so on both of these polls
you have a majority of people saying they do not
want redistricting, and yet they're still going with this.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Why well, my Republican friends are cought between a rock
and a hard place. On the one hand, you have
the Trump people really pushing for drawing new maps, and
you have the people who vote for these guys say
we don't want new maps. Everything is just fine, and
so Republicans are in a bit of a bund uh. Now.
When jad Advance was here talking to Republicans, I found
(06:31):
out I did to find out the exact nature of
the conversation, still working on that, but what I did
find the atmosphere was very It was very polite. He
did a lot of talking, they did a lot of listening,
and that was that was it. Thank you for coming
to have a nice day. But I don't think I
don't think that we needle moved at all. I think
the Republicans were still opposed to this reditioning plan. They're
still opposed to have some more hopefully have some more
(06:52):
details later on this week. And also, by the way,
when we're talking to one of the posters who actually
pulled this this week as well for Saturday show, to
find out what's going through the minds of the of
the Hoosia voter. But at the end of the day, nobody,
nobody thinks this is a good idea or thinks this
is going to end well. And I frankly think Republicans
are just going through the motions right now. I do think, Jim,
(07:14):
they'll probably past maps the maps to be thrown out
for violating eight million different things. The next day we
did it and now it didn't work and it's done.
And also too Speaker Houston Center Rod Ray want to
protect their caucuses, plain and simple.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, So are these people aware, because I think this
is the bigger risk is people are looking at this
going okay, polish poles just people know they don't want it.
A majority of people clearly don't want it. You're not
producing any poles to show people do want it. There's
not a single lawmaker who's been able to come out
and go, look at this, just trove of emails of
(07:50):
people who are passionate about this, and people look at
this gym and they go, so you'll do all this
for something we don't want, but something we really do want,
like property taxes, you won't do anything for.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I mean, there's a.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Real chance of backlash on that when people you started
kind of expose yourself to people what your priorities are.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, I think I think there could be backlash. But
I still think that people are concerned about inflation, they're
concerned about food, they're concerned about their their their energy, uh,
they're concerned about their property taxes. But but when it
comes down to it to the average voter, the average Hoosier,
(08:28):
they they they always they seem to get back to
the idea of a pox on all your houses. And
I think the backlashes is good for Frank Mrvan and
and that sort of thing, because it's kind of a
it's a mantra, it's something to go to battle about.
And so when it comes down to it, twenty twenty six,
(08:51):
the election is just about a year away. I think
though that that that we're dealing in a TikTok type
of world where, uh, you know what am I mad about?
What am I concerned about right now? And and what
they're concerned about when they go to vote a year
from now will be totally different than what it is
(09:13):
today exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
And also too, I want to say and instead of
brings last thing I thought was very telling at the
very end, say no, we we listen to the Vice
president blah blah blah blah that we'll take back, We'll
talk amongst our caucus and listen to what our constituents
want us to do. That is that's the out right
there with that led last line, because leg all the
polling and you can and you can bet a million
dollars uh at the at these Third House meetings, and
(09:36):
you know Center Republican caucuss is doing the polling left
and right. And I want to say I got details
another poll. There's another one, yeah, that that they're sort
of quietly pulling and see what the district is and
nobody wants this.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
How do they sell it if they do it?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Because at this point, it's the kid's been at this
for months, You've drugged this out for months. Every time
you come out and don't do something, I think it
gets worse. For if they go forward with it, what's
the cell are they just like, well, say it's republic
and we don't really fear you people, and we're just
gonna do what we want you.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
In retrospect, it would have been a lot better in
August or July to rip that band aid off and
it be healed by now yep, and and.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
But it would have been summertime. Nobody wouldn't fan attend. Well.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The other part of this too is I I, of
course I'm against the redistricting, but I'm kind of surprised.
And it shows you that Houston and Bray really don't
want it, because if they wanted it, they'd say, all right,
Braun calls special session. We're putting this up on the floor.
We dare you to vote against this. We dare you
to run against us, even if you don't want it
or your constituents don't want it. And the fact that
(10:43):
they haven't done that, I mean, they can make these
guys do about whatever they want to do, the fact
that they haven't done that tells you where the leadership
of this of this party is as it relates to
general Assembly.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
And here's the thing to think about.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Two.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Let's say Republicans don't redistrict, which I think is more
likely going to happen. There's always a chance of where
it could happen. I don't think Republic's gonna redistrict. You do, So,
you guys are odds on this. You think they will? Yeah,
I do. I do think they want don't. I don't
think they will? Very good, Okay, but here's the thing.
If you're got to get a primary challenger, what's the
primary challenge you're gonna run on? Right? Because you got
it because remember to get rid of somebody at office.
(11:16):
And hey, here's why they're bad. Here's why I'm good.
They're bad because they didn't redraw a line on a
on a map that technically exists on paper. Meanwhile, my
health care costs are going up. I can't my kids
can't find a job after college anymore. The housing stock
market is housing market is going through the through the
freaking floor here, and you're talking to me about a
redistricting line.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, it appears very Jim and an electropop And it
appears they appear very out of touch when there's all
these things they could be should be addressing and they're
just not.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I think they will.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I think I think Abdul's right, you'll get thrown out,
but they'll they'll be able to say they did. You
look at how Trump deals on the world stage with
with with this RNGK and and and pushing his strength
to convince parties that never agreed on anything to agree
on something and and uh. Sarah Banks and vice person
(12:10):
Vance probably put a pretty good show on on how
the how the federal government is helping Indiana and will
help Indiana in the future.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
What's the argument with that, Jim. If you don't then,
if you don't do this, then we're gonna stop helping you.
This is what I've never understood with the strong What
is the strong arm here? You're super red state that
has been loyal to the president. If you don't do
this one thing, you're out.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
In that show. Yeah, it's like, hey, if you don't
do this at that royal hospital you need over in Seymour,
uh it may get delayed or you know, you guys
want to toll that road I seventy Uh, well make
it look paperwork may get lost. You know really, yeah, well, there.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Are a lot of states. There are a lot of
states that need help right now.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
And in Indiana and there's a line and Indiana is
notorious this and this is the the hidden almost sort
of hip hippocritical thing about Indiana. They hate the federal government,
but the the federal government's money.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Sure, yeah, well that's not a hidden fact.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I'm just saying the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yes, yes, And you know, it goes back to when
we were when we were looking at point one oh
and and uh ba c blog blood alcohol content and
in the threat from the federal government that if we
didn't go to point o eight we would lose highway monies.
I mean that that that is a very very bold threat.
(13:30):
And we went to point o eight. It was a
good idea, but that threat was out there and it
was it was really really real. That was a stick
yeah yeah, well yeah, just hanging over yeah, rock being thrown.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So what you're saying for bow aware, Once upon a
time the blood alcohol level and Stevenino was one was.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
One yes and driving when wild drunk right, and the.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Federal government basically came together and said you got to
make a point oh eight or it's gonna be financial
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redistricting in these polls that were done both by three
D Strategic Research and north Star Opinion Research. They both
pulled about Braun and he stinks, boy, this is Disasterville.
(15:47):
So three D had him at thirty two percent favorable,
forty six percent unfavorable. North Star had him at twenty
four favorable, forty three unfavorable.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Jim, this is a night for Actually, it's very consistent
with the polls.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well, well, I'm gonna get to that, but that's what
I'm saying. I mean, this is the all of these polls, Like.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
These numbers, you go woo, but then you realise they
sort of match up with whether it's the politicians or
the redistricting, they match up with other all the other
kind of all the other polls. Jim Brown hasn't even
been there nine months. He's just been there nine months.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
This is horrible.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yes, I I always kind of put myself in the
shoes of the governor. If I'm governor, I'm concerned Now
if now are they concerned in Room two or six
in the in the State House and the Governor's office,
I'm not sure because they've been pretty much governing by
executive order right now. Uh, they had a session that
was you know, and I always say that budget sessions,
(16:48):
the first one really makes the governor's first term because
by the time the second bust budget sessions coming, you're
running for re election. And so I would be concerned
about the poll. I'm not sure if the if the
bron people are actually because they can with one fell
swoop to an executive order on whatever they feel that
(17:10):
is necessary.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Everything but property taxes. No executive orders allowed there.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, and and uh and rightfully, so I think that
needs to be a public you know, transparency. But but uh,
I think I think this group over in the governor's
office is should I think I think I'd be calling mayors,
I'd be talking to grassroots. I'd be you know, when President.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Clinton having a relationship with those people.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yes, I would establish that realationship. When when when when
Clinton and Obama got wax in a midterm, what they
did was they started looking at school uniforms and the
little putts. I would I would be uh, finding a
small communities and and having small victories in all nine
(17:56):
two counties because you know, Broun did a really job
when he was US saiator talking to all the counties
and making it through those counties every year.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's what I would be doing right now.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Duel is part of the part of but one of
the biggest problems is his signature issue. The thing he
ran on He ran on begrudgingly, but he ran on it,
which is property taxes ended up being a complete dumpster fire.
That everyone hates your You can't have your thing. You
can have some people hate it, you can't have all
of the people hate it. And in this case, whether
it's the mayor's, the schools, or me, everybody hates it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Well, I will give the bron folks credit. They managed
to the United State of Indiana bring all these different facts.
We talk about device for government these days. No, everybody
pay us that. Everybody think this sucks.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
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Speaker 5 (18:38):
But to go back to what Jim said, I do think,
I think the I think the I think the broad
administration is basically in two camps right now. You know
the people who are like, oh my god, we need
to turn this around right now, you know, they'll be like, A,
I don't worry about It'll be just fine. That that's
probably just coming from one individual who uh Josh Kelly,
yash we got, Jasha, we got do have a long law.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That is the governor's chief of staff. And I think
you touched on this. He puts somebody in charge and
look in a weird way, it's sort of now, Josh
Kelly knows a lot more about government than Micah Beckwit's
chief of staff, but it's sort of the same thing
when you put some loyalist around you who doesn't know
how the system works. And in the sense of Josh Kelly,
(19:20):
he doesn't know how state government works. He doesn't have
the relationships. He was a you know, he was a
what do they call it, what what would you help
people get elected? Political consultant?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Right?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Yeah, yeah, for someone like Josh in the administration is
I'm not saying that Josh doesn't have a doesn't have
a role in the administration. I would say, Josh thing
that right hand man, that that senior that's senior, that
senior policy advisor, that senior advisor to the governor, like, hey,
bat this around. But you have a chief of SEO
knows how the government works and can make the trains
run on time. And what we're seeing is with all
this sort of disarray, even though for redistricting, like we
(19:53):
should be shouldn't be having this discussion, but human Sev
put it like, no, we're not talking about this. We're
gonna take our proper text, don't take our health care
and take your goals and that's it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, And that's part of the problem, Jim, is when
you put somebody without those relationships or knowledge in that position,
you don't have the ability to bring all the puzzle
pieces together. And Braun's puzzle is totally discombopulated.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Well, yes, and and you know, you go back to
Mitch Daniels, who was kind of his own chief of staff. Uh,
Earl go my way, Earl good Uh, you know, was
the chief of staff. But but when it really came
down to it that that, uh, that Mitch would work
with a mayor. Mitch would work with the department head.
He wouldn't actually work with an intern. Being governor, you
(20:38):
have to understand the details and and.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Understood the details, yes, miss not sometimes missed acually smarter
than the agency.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Well, and that's that's.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
A great point, which is there's not been a governor
since Smitch who understands the details. Pends had no idea
holcom it's coming out, had no idea, not that we
didn't already know that. And Braun, I mean, I always
feel like when I remember in the first Halloween where
Loomis is talking about Michael Myers and I this is
something like I tried to reach him, but there was
nothing there, like just blankness staring back at me. I
(21:09):
feel that that's Braun with everything that he just has
no idea what's.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Going And then Governor Daniels I was at the Economic
Club luncheon one time and he was a speaker and
he had a PowerPoint and it went on for twenty
five or thirty minutes, and he did it without notes,
and he just knew everything going on in his government.
And the bron people are from a different ilk And
(21:36):
you have to call up that mayor and just say,
how how are you? You know, what what can I
do for you? And I think this last session, if
you look at the city councils around the state of Indiana,
they're really struggling with with understanding Center built one and
how it impacts them and how they make the trains
run on time. And and this makes them very very
(22:00):
irritable and and and you got to you gotta put
salva on that wound.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
When Miss Daniels tells you that don't do Mike, don't
do just don't do redistricting. It's a bad idea. This
is not going to end well that that should have
been enough.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, somebody else that got pulled on. It's gonna break
your heart because it's not good results. But Diego Morales
got pulled on both of these poles. The Street three
D Strategic Research poll has the Indiana Secretary of State
at nine percent viewing favorably. Twenty one Well, he might
have got some family members in there, but they took
a day off the poll, twenty one percent view him unfavorably.
(22:36):
And then in the North Star Opinion Research poll, five
percent viewing favorably, seventeen percent under unfavorably. So he's underwater
in both these poles. But what's amazing is he's basically
campaigned every day, twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week for three years. He spent all his tax
payer money to legally campaign, and nobody knows who the
(22:58):
guy is.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Well, it's amazing and seen story real quick here.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Friday night was the Mary County Lincoln Day Dinner Republican
republic Republican Republican dinner, and I was. I got invited
because of what I do for a living. And I
was at I had a VIP, I had a few
I sked at the VIP table and who was at
the VIP table. Who is at the table with me?
Diego Morale. It was like, wow, this is kind of interesting,
and they go had that sort of nervous life, like, okay,
(23:23):
mister secretary, for tonight, this table is Switzerland. We're neutral territory.
But just this table. The rest of it, it's freaking
world war world world War two, but Switzerland for right
now is neutral. And and trust me, when people found
out that abdul diegle we're out what they Yeah, it was.
It was a very awkward moment.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Now if you're bow bye, by the way, he's getting
a lot. He has a lot of rich friends. I
need more rich friends. I do not have someone who
can write me those sort of checks. He's got a
lot of yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got a lot of
money that's starting to roll in, as we predicted his
likely Democrat opponent. Are you happy that nobody knows who
he is? Because on one end, you can paint him
(24:00):
however you want to paint him, and they'll figure out
a whole bunch of stuff that other people can't.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Would be my gas.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But on the other hand, Diego's pulled all this crap
and people don't know about it. So where are you
at if you're bo Bayer? Do you like that that
nobody knows who he is still? Or are you like well,
he's done a lot of stuff people should know.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Well, I would I would argue if you're if you're
bow bye, you you you sort of got you got.
You've got a couple of different tracks. We when you
got to buy name which in establishment Democrat universe, oldest
tip old old attatshment. It's not as bad as it's
not as good as you speak, but still a wasn't
your father like a governor or something like that?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And then you got you imagine, hey wasn't like, Hey,
wasn't your dad the governor? Like when you're growing up,
what does your dad do for a living? You know
he's the governor and he used to be a government
like our parents. What did your dad do.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
For a living? You don't know anything about it?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, And then and then on the other track, you've
got uh so the people, he's got the he's got
the money in the resources to induce some stuff to
vote it. Hey, I'm bow bye. I believe in public service.
My dad, sir, my grandfather's are wanted to help who
We all know the same song and dance and if
you could do that, I think it's in a much
better position. And also, by the way, too, if you're Republicans.
Dave Sheldon's looking a whole lot better today. The Knox
(25:11):
County clerk who's gonna run against Diego in the convention. Now,
Da've still got some challenges to deal with, But I
think Dave Shelton's in a much stronger position today. I
predict that to those poll numbers than anything else, because
also number two, it's not the public who votes it's the.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Delegates who put the convention. Now.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Shelton was on our show earlier this week and he's
flip flopped on the redistricting now and he didn't have
a good answer for it, and buy our Diego. I
would crush him with that flip flop. But Diego's so
inept and lazy he may not even catch on. But
Shelton seems to think the boring's gonna work, And I like,
I'm not even I'm not trying to. And I like Shelton,
and he's very good, and he's very very commedy. He'd
(25:49):
be probably very good at the job, infinitely better than Diego.
I just think you got to bring some smoke in
the corners of the state on who Diego is. And
he seems to think he'd not go out to do that.
He can just run and government compency. That's going to
be fascinating to me on just how many people are
willing to reject Diego Morales, especially with a legitimate Democrat opponent.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Well, but way back when when bo Bay's father was
running and we tried boring against Evan Bye and it
didn't work.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And different state though, right exact.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Different political world. But if you look at the Secretary
of States race right now, and you're talking about Diego
versus versus Dave Shelton, there are two camps in the
Republican Party. There are two camps. One once the boring
that the quiet people, the quiet force out there, and
(26:41):
I hear about them every time we talk about this.
I hear from the the the quiet voter, maybe not
the quiet delegate, but the quiet voter that doesn't want
anything to do with Diego. Then I hear it from
the establishment outside the fifteenth two counties whatever WWBC reaches
(27:04):
UH that that that are forcefully behind Ruketa, they're forcefully
behind Micah beck With and they're forcefully behind uh Diego.
And and I've been out on college campuses talking about
the lifeline law I hear a lot from a lot
of different people, and and so it's going to be
interesting to see what happens, because as far as I know,
(27:26):
Dave Shelton cannot jump into a room of two hundred
and fifty people and make everybody his friend. And and
that is what that individual is gonna have to do
to win the nomination and to beat to beat bo Bye,
because Boring is not going to beat bo Bye.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
No, you're right to beat Evan by No. You know
we got all ten seconds of Bill go ahead.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I would ure Boring probably beat Siega Morales, but not
necessarily beats bow bye.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, all right, as usual at the time flies by
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