August 27, 2025 • 29 mins
Indiana Republicans went to the White House to talk redistricting. Back home, the public isn't buying it according to a new poll. Change Research says 52 percent of Hoosiers are against redistricting, while the majority want lawmakers to focus on more pressing issues like inflation. On this week's Statehouse Happenings, Rob Kendall, Abdul-Hakim Shabazz, and Jim Merritt discuss the legislators' trip to Washington and if public sentiment against redistricting will have an impact on the final decision.
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Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's a beautiful day to be a political pundit.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
All right, So.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Let's start with the gift that keeps on gifting.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Let's start with when society wins, and that's when Todd
Rokita loses. And the Attorney General CoRIS Todd Raketya, the
Attorney General for the state of Indiana. And look, I
assume most people tuning into this program are aware of
his circumstance. This is the sort of those who are
tuned Indiana politics and government. But just in case that
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they aren't, a very high level. So a couple of
years ago, the Attorney General Todd Rakeeda, he went on
Fox News. He made some comments about an abortion doctor
and abdual very high level, explain this to people. As
an attorney in the state of Indiana, there are special
rules that you agree to operate by in terms of
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your conduct higher than the higher burden or a higher
level than the average person in their First Amendment rights
and freedoms. And Todd Rakeeda in that appearance on Fox
News essentially violated those rules of conduct.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It wasn't so much that those rules of conduct that
kind of got a slap on the wrist. What got
Todd Raketa in trouble is his statements to the Discplinary
Commission and to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right right, right, But I'm saying this is where this
all started, with some appearance on Fox News in which
he said some things that is not the attorneys. He
has the First Amendment right as a human being to
say them, but by the rules he agrees to participate
by as an attorney, he should not have done exactly. Okay.
So he then, as you alluded to, went in front
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of the Disciplinary Commission, which is the group that oversees
attorneys in the state of Indiana, and he got what
essentially amounted to a slap on the wrist. He was
I think, paid a small fine, verbal warning. But the
big part about it was he agreed that the charges
that were made against him he would not have been
able to defend, right had they come in front of
the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That's the big thing, right exactly. And then after he
basically signs the agreement, he goes back and says, well,
only sign it. I didn't really do it. I didn't
really believe it. I decided to get off my back, like, uh, no,
you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Because you signed something under like what penalty of perjury
or whatever?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When the lawyer equivalent of perjury without the criminal aspect,
that's correct.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, No, nobody's saying he is going to go to prison.
This is about his law license and how he is
able to practice law in the state of Indiana, which.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You have to have to be attorney general.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
To be attorney general. Okay, So as soon as he
did that, he comes out with this big press release,
as you said, basically saying I didn't do this, you know,
I only did this to save the taxpayers money. And
people were like, uh, well, these two things can't be
true at the same time, and a new round of
complaints put him in front of the Disciplinary Commission once again.
(04:38):
Now before we get to the latest on what's going
on with that, because I look, you and I have
discussed this. I for the first time think that this
weasel could potentially be in some in some hot water.
I mean he I thought that before, and he finds
a way to maneuver out and about and around things.
But he I think I this could be could the
(05:00):
keyword there be the one Jim Herritt, What is wrong
with this guy?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You know, I've known him for a long long time,
and I've known him for a long long time, and
and I don't know, I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But it used to be a somewhat normal human being.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Absolutely his secretary of State, he took on he took
on the idea of redistricting, and and.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Uh he changed his mind on that, now changed his.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Mind on that.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
And and uh and and his his dad is a dentist.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
My sister is a dentist.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yes, And uh he's from northwest Indiana. And uh and
and he was a fairly responsive member of Congress. Uh.
He's He's had a lot of great public service in
his background, in his past. And for some reason, Uh,
when he was running for the US Senate, Uh, he
all all of a sudden became combative and trump like and.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I just wasn't even good at it.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, I I just don't understand. Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Uh Then uh, citizens Braun made you know, made a
made a mockery of of Luke Messer and Todd Rukeda's
run for the US Senate.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I don't know what happened here.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And uh, you know, one thing about this whole process
that I've I've been watching is is the participants and
abdul do I have a correct The Judge Nancy Vedik,
as well as uh as Judge Cale Bradford are a
part of this decision.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Okay, So let's set this up. So these complaints come
back in front of the Discipline Disciplinary Commission. They the
disciplayer condition. So the way it works, a duilkraf have wrong,
the discilinary Commission essentially works as like the prosecutor, right,
and then Roketa is the essentially the defendant.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So there is normally what they call a hearing officer
who it is the hearing officer's job to act as
the judge, and then that person makes a recommendation to
the State Supreme Court who ultimately rules. Okay, the State
Supreme Court without saying and I think has basically said
we've had enough of you, mister Rokita, and we are
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going to eliminate every possible way for you to cry
foul or victim or bias or whatever else. And so
instead of having a hearing officer, they've put a three
judge panel who will serve as the hearing officer. All judges,
two of them were appointed by Republicans, Cale Bradford, who
you mentioned. Then there's a former federal magistrate Hussman I
(07:31):
think is his name, and then Vedik that is the
third member. I believe she was appointed. She's an appeals
court judge, as is Cale Bradford. By she was appointed
by Frank O'Bannon. So these three people will make the
make the recommendation.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And also they're also spread out geographically to one from
northern Indiana, Central Indiana, and southern Indiana. So you've got
got the political diversity as well as the geographical diversity.
This way, Todd cannot whine about this is unfair. No,
this is this is a rig system. Got two Republicans
one Democrat from all across the Indiana.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
This is no kangaroo court. Now, I grew up with
Cale Bradford. Kle Bradford is integrity, one oh one.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
He was my wife's college professor.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Well, yeah, he's an outstanding individual and jurist. And Nancy
Vedik is an outstanding jurish adjurist. And uh and uh
and so I'm not sure who Hushman is, but uh,
I have all the all the confidence in the world
that Todd will get his day in court. Oh, he's
gonna get it and as well as it's gonna be fair.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, So, Abdullah, I know you covered this Capital Chronicle,
cover this whole bunch of media outlets cover this, and
basically Rokita has done everything in his power to try
to delay this thing, because the big deal is you
cannot be the attorney general without a law license, and
so this this panel can ultimately decide to do a
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variety of things with them, everything from nothing. They could
say he didn't do anything wrong and go home. They
could say suspension with reinstatement. But the big one would
be suspension without automatic reinstatement, which means that would that
would put us set up a real area of wonder. Now,
State Supreme Court is not obligated to take this panel's recommendation.
(09:14):
They could say we don't think it's extreme enough, we
think it's too extreme. Whatever. So Rokita has had filed
a bunch of paperwork trying to get discovery on the
Disciplinary Commission. Abduel is doing the shoveling motion over here,
my shoveling, and this panel was like, no, we're done
(09:38):
with you. We're going to have this hearing. They set
the hearing date in December.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Way and speak of this. Here's what Todd argued, and
this is what as attorney kills me, he already had
the first move, would right to say what he said whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Which he doesn't the same way as on these public
radio airwaves that we appear on. There's things we can't
say that I could say on the street on Monument
Circle in front of our bild here, like you give
up rights when you join clubs voluntarily.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And the other thing too, is he tried to file
what was called an anti slap motion, which is basically
it prohibits frivolous lawsuits aimed at silencing critics. So let's
say I see the governor. He sued me back because
I criticized him something, so you can file I can
file under the anti slap statue of nutshell. Sure, he
tried to use all that, and they're like no, no, no,
get the hell out of.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Here because basically what this panel said, and by the way,
they are not messing around merit is correct. These people
are like, we will see you. I believe December eighteenth
is the day. Here's the day for everybody to file
all their paperwork leading.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Up to this.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Thank you, we're we are, we're deciding, and.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So there's no delayed tactics on twelve, eighteen twenty five. Correct, Nope,
it's that is the day.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Now what was interesting was that this three judge panel
basically said, look, the only thing we're deciding here is
about you signing this document and then the statements that
you made after that. That's what we're judging here. All
(11:09):
this other shenanigans over here, we don't have time for it. Yeah. Well,
like I said these things, we can't say we understand
this your first Amendment, like none of that stuff matters.
You signed this and said these things, then you said
these things, and we got to decide what to do
with that. Now, I mean, there is like there is
(11:34):
a real change. And the State, by the way, there
was a there was an issue on this in front
of the State Supreme Court who will be the ultimate judge, jury,
and executioner on this in July, and they basically said
the same thing, like let's get going. They said, essentially,
we strongly encourage you to settle this. You don't want
us settling this. But I don't see Todd Roketa and
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and this this panel has urged them to do mediation
as well, Raketa and the Disciplinary Commission. I don't see
Rokena doing mediation.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
All I hope is that you know, if if I
ever got in trouble that I could go get a
mediator and they would. They would.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
It doesn't strike me that you're talking about mediation. There's
no real middle ground here.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Either you did it or you didn't well, and that's
what I'm saying. I don't see Rogan when I sid
don't see him doing mediation. I don't see him going Okay,
I'll accept a one month suspension. And I don't see
how he's gonna weasel out of this because it appears
again I'm no, I'm no Ben Matlock over here. But
the statements he made to the court are in direct
contrast with the statements he made in the press release.
(12:39):
And so I don't I mean as straightforward as on
the State Supreme Court, but this three judge panel appeared
to be I don't see how he worms his way
out of this way.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And by the way too, he who maybe that's Todd calling.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You to let him let you know how he's gonna
worm his way out of it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Uh No. I thought what I thought was interesting was
he he's he got by the skin of his teeth
the first time around, and that three to two decisions.
So the first disciplinary action.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Because two of the in the original agreement, the plea deal.
For lack of a better term than he made. Two
of the state Supreme Court judges were like this or
appeared to say, this isn't strict enough. We think you
should get more. And it's it of just taking it.
Take that look qu adopted bullet, let's call it today.
He goes back and like, hey, I'm that good. I'll
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double down again.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, also, this Supreme Court, uh will make tough decisions
and and uh, you're pushing Chief Rush and you don't
push her as well as you know occurs Hill is
a total different situation. That was personal. This is this
is public. But they're willing to make decisions that are
(13:48):
uh that overturning election that is a big decision to make,
no question about it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Okay, here's the other thing that is now laughable. So
it came out, what this is a month or so ago,
so I'm sure it's higher than that. Now, this dude,
Rokeita has spent five hundred grand. Oh, you're low vaulting.
According to the he had a capital chronicle on legal defense.
So it's a joke to say, oh, I signed this
thing because I wanted to save the taxpayers a bunch
of money. But then he's racked up. I mean, he
(14:15):
could be a million dollars by the time they hear
this case and go through everything. So you don't get
to say, oh, I did this is the same the
taxer's money and then forth the taxers just spent all
this money defending you.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
And that Now that also brings up another question, which
is you no, with toddra Keeda's behavior and actions. Was
he acting as attorney general or was he acting as
an individual because that's what determines way to get reimbursed,
you know, And and it brings up a whole nother
ball of act because if we Kena loses, yeah, I
could easily see somebody find the loss and say, hey,
(14:46):
I'm a taxpayer. I'm not putting the bill for this
in it go there?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Who if he does lose, who would actually have a
case a cause to say this was a personal situation?
U O?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Was this moneel Are you're feeling you feeling froggy?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I got I got five in the hopper right now?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay, so real quick, because we got to get onto
this stuff going on with the redistrict thing and the
and the poll that came out am I crazy to
think that there is actually a real I mean, it
seems like a bizarre world where they would because I
had said from the beginning, Oh, I don't think they're
gonna ring like in the end, they'll look at all
the people who voted for Rokid and they'll say, we're
not taken away. We can't you know, Fatimore, Will we
take away their vote? I don't know now. I look,
(15:30):
I'm totally biased on this. I think the guy's a
complete buffoon and he has no business being in that position.
But you guys know, from the beginning I've said, I
don't think they'll take away all the people's votes. I
don't know now what.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
They've done it before, unscrewing around.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
They've done it before, and it could happen again.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
And uh, this is serious business and and there are
so many eyes watching this in the legal uh, in
the legal community, that they're gonna have to make a
decision and defend it and that and that and that's
that's big.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Time and and and to get to Jim's point, when
judges are disciplined and prosecutors are disciplined and they lose
their law license they were voted for and they were elected,
they were elected in those county or you know, judicial
circuit votes are being taken away, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
In the legislature, he's helpless in that regard. You know,
he has a lot of friends in the legislature and
a lot of enemies. But they they they're feckless. They
can't do anything about this.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And Tim Rakita would not be the hill I'd want
to die off.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, well, so you think about you've got we talked
at this yesterday on air, think about your two, three
and four in the Indiana state government and Bronze's own thing.
But you got Rakita who could lose his law license.
You got the Lieutenant governor who cor to multiple sources,
including you, there's a grand jury looking into them, and
the Mari County Prosecutor's offices looking into their office. And
(16:50):
then you got grifters r Us mister Morales and the
Secretary of State position and all the things that are
you know, going on with him. I mean, what a
horrible stain these three collectively are. But yet the Democrats
are so nuts that people are like, well, I guess
we'll just take this buffoonery over the Democrats. I mean,
(17:10):
if you're the Democrat, right, don't you have to look
at yourself at the mirror.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Go what's going on with us? If you've if you're
the Democrats, yes, you can point out you know the Foil,
the Foibles, and you know Raketa and through Diego and
the Hold nine Yards and Micah. However, you can't beat
something with nothing right. It's like, Okay, they've proven that.
It's not how convinced my wife. It's how convince my
wife to marry me. It's like, okay, honey, that guy,
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the program of State House Happenings. You're weekly looking at
what's going on with Indiana politics and government. All right,
So the members of the Indiana General Assembly. He went
to Washington, d C. Yesterday to meet with President Trump's administration.
Now we know they met with Vance, the Vice president.
There's some confusion on where they met with Trump or not.
I think he may have just met with the leadership.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I think he just met with Sinner Bray and Speaker Houston.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Okay, but and this is all about redistrict. Now, they
talked about other things, right, but it was so funny.
They were like, we're not going to be looking about redistricting,
and then clearly they talked about redistricting. Like that's why
you went. You can't get an honest answer out of
these people.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Ever, it seems like but anyway, a new boll came out.
You put this up at Indie politics dot org. India
Capitol Chronicle covered it as well from Change Research. Now
you know those people, right, have you used them before?
I use them about like maybe six seven years ago. Okay,
they did a poll they claimed one six hundred and
sixty two registered voters in this poll, and fifty two
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percent of the people opposed the idea of redistricting, while
just thirty four percent support it. My gut instinct is
that that's probably pretty accurate. I don't think most people
care at all about this. What say you, guys?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
As somebody who is actually getting ready to do some
polling later this fall, once I get some some things
in a row, that's one thing we're going to be
asking about, is the redistricting question. But it doesn't It
doesn't surprise me, because the thing is why why do
you need to do this? And and what's what's the
what's the logic? What's the rationale if you just did it,
you know, five six years ago? And why why why
(20:45):
do you do this again? And Republicans cannot give a
solid answer. Well, we do it because the Democrats did it. Yeah,
and you talk to me about your TPS report, I mean,
help help me out here, because it doesn't make any sense.
And this excuse said, well Elloyd did it. Well, Eldoy
also doesn't have school vouchers or or right to work,
(21:06):
so should we do that too? Because ELLINOI didn't do it?
That and to me that's the problem with all this.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
What about is well, sure, and you hit on something,
which is the poll. According to this poll, sixty percent
respondence rated inflation among their top three priorities. Only seven
percent said that redrawing the legislative maps was the top priority.
So that's why I give some credence to this. Like
I do think sixty percent of the people Jim are like, hey,
stops too expensive. Why don't you focus on that?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I think that's the case.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And as well as Representative ed Claire, I said this,
I'm not sure if it was last week or not,
but on some in some venue I said, well, are
they going to redraw the legislative district?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
As well? And Representative A.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Claire gave that quote to somebody Indiana Capitol Chronicle or
maybe said somewhere you know.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Well, the bottom line is is that is a legitimate
question if you if you're redrawing the the congressional maps,
are you're going to redraw the legislative maps.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
They can't withdraw because that has been done when the
year that ends and won after the census. But the
congression maps they can do almost any time. Well, but
real quick, I was trying to give you credit. I
can't believe the first time in your life if you
would shut up to somebody credit. I think people are
looking at this saying it's a.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Wholly political act. At least Texas can get creative and say, well,
we had five million people move into the state, so
you know, the the numbers are off or whatever. This
is a wholly political function. And they're not even they
can't even come up with an excuse. They're just like, yeah,
Democrats did it, so we're doing it too. It And
I think people.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Attorney General Rakeita said that undocumented undocumented immigrants were counted
last time.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
The course that because because the census, the rules are clear.
The census says persons, it doesn't say citizens. They already
adjudicated this in the court. Now the court has changed.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I think that think what Ruth Bader Ginsburg is no
longer with us, and Cony Barrett's in her place, maybe
the court would rule differently, but it's already been like
I'm sorry, you don't have to like it, but it's
the way it is.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
If you're if you're a strict constructionist, you know which
all these people said, everybodys strict contructions until they're not
and and and and the concert says you count the people, period,
doesn't say citizens, it doesn't say whatever. They doesn't say
green carts a citizen, says count the people who are
in the district. Period.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah. And this I mean, like, I think the bigger
thing here and what because there's some people that are
such Republican homers that they're gonna be for it no
matter what, Okay, whatever, But the I think the regular
people go, wait a second, you're doing all of this
to pick up a seat in Congress, and you wouldn't
help us with property taxes or utility bills. Now, I mean,
(23:46):
we're seeing all these things that are really hurting people
and you will do nothing. But yet when it comes
to helping your party pick up a seat in Congress,
you'll do like.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
And this is gonna take time. This is gonna take
a lot of time. And uh, the maps probably are
already have been drafted redone. Uh. But but to do
it right, they're gonna have to have hearings and they're
gonna have to take uh, it's gonna have to be transparent.
They're gonna have to test that.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Jim, what plann are you? You're such an altruistic guy.
I love you. They're not gonna do any of that.
They're gonna show up and vote. They should. Somebody wrote
an article about that the other day, or somebody in
an article I think it was a Capital Chronicle had
an article in some election attorney or whatever was talking
about this, saying, well, they should do like they do
every ten years, or they should crisscross the state and
hear testimony.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And yeah, I'm a process person, and I and I
and I support the legislative process, and and and maybe
it's just my naivete, but I think they think they
ought to take.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Public test Well, they should, but they're not going to well.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
And and that's what's wrong with this is that there's
not a hue and cry uh and legislators who are
quoted on Twitter and Indie Indiana Capital. And what they
ought to do is be quiet and say if the
governor calls us in decision, we will act. Leave it
to Houston, leave it to Braid to make the decisions.
(25:09):
And people are trying to in the switch. I am
so disappointed in representing Jim Lucas I started building something
disappoint really, you know, he he makes his comic Craig
Haggard represented. They make these big comments about this shouldn't happen,
and then all of a sudden, somebody gives them a
(25:31):
phone call or something, and all of a sudden they're
completely different.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
John Mellencamp did an album in the early nineteen eighties
called I think it was called Nothing Mattered and What
If It Did? And then these guys recognize that now
they recognize they can lie, they can change their story.
They I mean, Jim Lucas drove drunk, blew through a barricade,
fled the scene, tried to hide his car, got cute
with the cops, and what happened He got reelected? So
what is him? Eric was changing his mind on redistricting,
(25:58):
going to do these guys no, because they've so jerrymandered
the districts that the only way they're going down, most
of them, is if they get squarely with the leadership
and go down in a primary. So who cares. They'll
lie to you, they'll deceive you, they'll do whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
They don't care, It doesn't matter. I don't mind a
politician changing his or her mind, but just don't bs me.
It's one thing like, hey, this is my original position,
I got new facts. The effects have changed. Okay, I've
adopted my position because that's what that's what you do.
It's one thing. They're like, well I'm against them against it.
Oh he I can get this in my district. Okay,
now I'm for it. Well, because that's what's happened. What's
happened is it's been the carried and the stick approach
(26:32):
is what it was. And by the way, this all
be in today's Chief Sheet that's coming out yes yesterday,
Happy Wednesday. Everybody is hey you you want this? Hey
we got to this USDA facility moving Indiana. Oh whoops,
that could change, but or you get a primary opponent.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Is one to be Congressman Haggard going to be in
Jefferson Shreves district? Is it going to be in Congressman
Carson's district? Is he going to be in Congressman Baird's district?
He must have seen a.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Map playing district for that matter.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, and he he must have seen a map that
that that he likes, that he's going to be in
that he can run in next time because his full
speed ahead in his congressional run in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
And we got to hear about thirty seconds left, so
real quick, this is why people don't vote. They're admitting
the vote doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yes, you want to belong, continue to lose confidence, Abdul.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Final thoughts in this Chief in the next chief thing
will be out later today. As we record this program.
I'm basically looking at the legal aspects of this, what
the what the players will argue, what they will argue,
and what the court will likely come up with.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
This is in roketa or this is the maps.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
This is the maps.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:49):
All right, So.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Let's start with the gift that keeps on gifting.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Let's start with when society wins, and that's when Todd
Rokita loses. And the Attorney General CoRIS Todd Raketya, the
Attorney General for the state of Indiana. And look, I
assume most people tuning into this program are aware of
his circumstance. This is the sort of those who are
tuned Indiana politics and government. But just in case that
(02:16):
they aren't, a very high level. So a couple of
years ago, the Attorney General Todd Rakeeda, he went on
Fox News. He made some comments about an abortion doctor
and abdual very high level, explain this to people. As
an attorney in the state of Indiana, there are special
rules that you agree to operate by in terms of
(02:38):
your conduct higher than the higher burden or a higher
level than the average person in their First Amendment rights
and freedoms. And Todd Rakeeda in that appearance on Fox
News essentially violated those rules of conduct.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It wasn't so much that those rules of conduct that
kind of got a slap on the wrist. What got
Todd Raketa in trouble is his statements to the Discplinary
Commission and to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right right, right, But I'm saying this is where this
all started, with some appearance on Fox News in which
he said some things that is not the attorneys. He
has the First Amendment right as a human being to
say them, but by the rules he agrees to participate
by as an attorney, he should not have done exactly. Okay.
So he then, as you alluded to, went in front
(03:26):
of the Disciplinary Commission, which is the group that oversees
attorneys in the state of Indiana, and he got what
essentially amounted to a slap on the wrist. He was
I think, paid a small fine, verbal warning. But the
big part about it was he agreed that the charges
that were made against him he would not have been
able to defend, right had they come in front of
the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That's the big thing, right exactly. And then after he
basically signs the agreement, he goes back and says, well,
only sign it. I didn't really do it. I didn't
really believe it. I decided to get off my back, like, uh, no,
you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Because you signed something under like what penalty of perjury
or whatever?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When the lawyer equivalent of perjury without the criminal aspect,
that's correct.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, No, nobody's saying he is going to go to prison.
This is about his law license and how he is
able to practice law in the state of Indiana, which.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You have to have to be attorney general.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
To be attorney general. Okay, So as soon as he
did that, he comes out with this big press release,
as you said, basically saying I didn't do this, you know,
I only did this to save the taxpayers money. And
people were like, uh, well, these two things can't be
true at the same time, and a new round of
complaints put him in front of the Disciplinary Commission once again.
(04:38):
Now before we get to the latest on what's going
on with that, because I look, you and I have
discussed this. I for the first time think that this
weasel could potentially be in some in some hot water.
I mean he I thought that before, and he finds
a way to maneuver out and about and around things.
But he I think I this could be could the
(05:00):
keyword there be the one Jim Herritt, What is wrong
with this guy?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You know, I've known him for a long long time,
and I've known him for a long long time, and
and I don't know, I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But it used to be a somewhat normal human being.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Absolutely his secretary of State, he took on he took
on the idea of redistricting, and and.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Uh he changed his mind on that, now changed his.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Mind on that.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
And and uh and and his his dad is a dentist.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
My sister is a dentist.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yes, And uh he's from northwest Indiana. And uh and
and he was a fairly responsive member of Congress. Uh.
He's He's had a lot of great public service in
his background, in his past. And for some reason, Uh,
when he was running for the US Senate, Uh, he
all all of a sudden became combative and trump like and.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I just wasn't even good at it.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, I I just don't understand. Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Uh Then uh, citizens Braun made you know, made a
made a mockery of of Luke Messer and Todd Rukeda's
run for the US Senate.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I don't know what happened here.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And uh, you know, one thing about this whole process
that I've I've been watching is is the participants and
abdul do I have a correct The Judge Nancy Vedik,
as well as uh as Judge Cale Bradford are a
part of this decision.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Okay, So let's set this up. So these complaints come
back in front of the Discipline Disciplinary Commission. They the
disciplayer condition. So the way it works, a duilkraf have wrong,
the discilinary Commission essentially works as like the prosecutor, right,
and then Roketa is the essentially the defendant.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So there is normally what they call a hearing officer
who it is the hearing officer's job to act as
the judge, and then that person makes a recommendation to
the State Supreme Court who ultimately rules. Okay, the State
Supreme Court without saying and I think has basically said
we've had enough of you, mister Rokita, and we are
(07:07):
going to eliminate every possible way for you to cry
foul or victim or bias or whatever else. And so
instead of having a hearing officer, they've put a three
judge panel who will serve as the hearing officer. All judges,
two of them were appointed by Republicans, Cale Bradford, who
you mentioned. Then there's a former federal magistrate Hussman I
(07:31):
think is his name, and then Vedik that is the
third member. I believe she was appointed. She's an appeals
court judge, as is Cale Bradford. By she was appointed
by Frank O'Bannon. So these three people will make the
make the recommendation.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And also they're also spread out geographically to one from
northern Indiana, Central Indiana, and southern Indiana. So you've got
got the political diversity as well as the geographical diversity.
This way, Todd cannot whine about this is unfair. No,
this is this is a rig system. Got two Republicans
one Democrat from all across the Indiana.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
This is no kangaroo court. Now, I grew up with
Cale Bradford. Kle Bradford is integrity, one oh one.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
He was my wife's college professor.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Well, yeah, he's an outstanding individual and jurist. And Nancy
Vedik is an outstanding jurish adjurist. And uh and uh
and so I'm not sure who Hushman is, but uh,
I have all the all the confidence in the world
that Todd will get his day in court. Oh, he's
gonna get it and as well as it's gonna be fair.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, So, Abdullah, I know you covered this Capital Chronicle,
cover this whole bunch of media outlets cover this, and
basically Rokita has done everything in his power to try
to delay this thing, because the big deal is you
cannot be the attorney general without a law license, and
so this this panel can ultimately decide to do a
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variety of things with them, everything from nothing. They could
say he didn't do anything wrong and go home. They
could say suspension with reinstatement. But the big one would
be suspension without automatic reinstatement, which means that would that
would put us set up a real area of wonder. Now,
State Supreme Court is not obligated to take this panel's recommendation.
(09:14):
They could say we don't think it's extreme enough, we
think it's too extreme. Whatever. So Rokita has had filed
a bunch of paperwork trying to get discovery on the
Disciplinary Commission. Abduel is doing the shoveling motion over here,
my shoveling, and this panel was like, no, we're done
(09:38):
with you. We're going to have this hearing. They set
the hearing date in December.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Way and speak of this. Here's what Todd argued, and
this is what as attorney kills me, he already had
the first move, would right to say what he said whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Which he doesn't the same way as on these public
radio airwaves that we appear on. There's things we can't
say that I could say on the street on Monument
Circle in front of our bild here, like you give
up rights when you join clubs voluntarily.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And the other thing too, is he tried to file
what was called an anti slap motion, which is basically
it prohibits frivolous lawsuits aimed at silencing critics. So let's
say I see the governor. He sued me back because
I criticized him something, so you can file I can
file under the anti slap statue of nutshell. Sure, he
tried to use all that, and they're like no, no, no,
get the hell out of.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Here because basically what this panel said, and by the way,
they are not messing around merit is correct. These people
are like, we will see you. I believe December eighteenth
is the day. Here's the day for everybody to file
all their paperwork leading.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Up to this.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Thank you, we're we are, we're deciding, and.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So there's no delayed tactics on twelve, eighteen twenty five. Correct, Nope,
it's that is the day.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Now what was interesting was that this three judge panel
basically said, look, the only thing we're deciding here is
about you signing this document and then the statements that
you made after that. That's what we're judging here. All
(11:09):
this other shenanigans over here, we don't have time for it. Yeah. Well,
like I said these things, we can't say we understand
this your first Amendment, like none of that stuff matters.
You signed this and said these things, then you said
these things, and we got to decide what to do
with that. Now, I mean, there is like there is
(11:34):
a real change. And the State, by the way, there
was a there was an issue on this in front
of the State Supreme Court who will be the ultimate judge, jury,
and executioner on this in July, and they basically said
the same thing, like let's get going. They said, essentially,
we strongly encourage you to settle this. You don't want
us settling this. But I don't see Todd Roketa and
(11:56):
and this this panel has urged them to do mediation
as well, Raketa and the Disciplinary Commission. I don't see
Rokena doing mediation.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
All I hope is that you know, if if I
ever got in trouble that I could go get a
mediator and they would. They would.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
It doesn't strike me that you're talking about mediation. There's
no real middle ground here.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Either you did it or you didn't well, and that's
what I'm saying. I don't see Rogan when I sid
don't see him doing mediation. I don't see him going Okay,
I'll accept a one month suspension. And I don't see
how he's gonna weasel out of this because it appears
again I'm no, I'm no Ben Matlock over here. But
the statements he made to the court are in direct
contrast with the statements he made in the press release.
(12:39):
And so I don't I mean as straightforward as on
the State Supreme Court, but this three judge panel appeared
to be I don't see how he worms his way
out of this way.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And by the way too, he who maybe that's Todd calling.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You to let him let you know how he's gonna
worm his way out of it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Uh No. I thought what I thought was interesting was
he he's he got by the skin of his teeth
the first time around, and that three to two decisions.
So the first disciplinary action.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Because two of the in the original agreement, the plea deal.
For lack of a better term than he made. Two
of the state Supreme Court judges were like this or
appeared to say, this isn't strict enough. We think you
should get more. And it's it of just taking it.
Take that look qu adopted bullet, let's call it today.
He goes back and like, hey, I'm that good. I'll
(13:26):
double down again.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, also, this Supreme Court, uh will make tough decisions
and and uh, you're pushing Chief Rush and you don't
push her as well as you know occurs Hill is
a total different situation. That was personal. This is this
is public. But they're willing to make decisions that are
(13:48):
uh that overturning election that is a big decision to make,
no question about it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Okay, here's the other thing that is now laughable. So
it came out, what this is a month or so ago,
so I'm sure it's higher than that. Now, this dude,
Rokeita has spent five hundred grand. Oh, you're low vaulting.
According to the he had a capital chronicle on legal defense.
So it's a joke to say, oh, I signed this
thing because I wanted to save the taxpayers a bunch
of money. But then he's racked up. I mean, he
(14:15):
could be a million dollars by the time they hear
this case and go through everything. So you don't get
to say, oh, I did this is the same the
taxer's money and then forth the taxers just spent all
this money defending you.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
And that Now that also brings up another question, which
is you no, with toddra Keeda's behavior and actions. Was
he acting as attorney general or was he acting as
an individual because that's what determines way to get reimbursed,
you know, And and it brings up a whole nother
ball of act because if we Kena loses, yeah, I
could easily see somebody find the loss and say, hey,
(14:46):
I'm a taxpayer. I'm not putting the bill for this
in it go there?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Who if he does lose, who would actually have a
case a cause to say this was a personal situation?
U O?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Was this moneel Are you're feeling you feeling froggy?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I got I got five in the hopper right now?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay, so real quick, because we got to get onto
this stuff going on with the redistrict thing and the
and the poll that came out am I crazy to
think that there is actually a real I mean, it
seems like a bizarre world where they would because I
had said from the beginning, Oh, I don't think they're
gonna ring like in the end, they'll look at all
the people who voted for Rokid and they'll say, we're
not taken away. We can't you know, Fatimore, Will we
take away their vote? I don't know now. I look,
(15:30):
I'm totally biased on this. I think the guy's a
complete buffoon and he has no business being in that position.
But you guys know, from the beginning I've said, I
don't think they'll take away all the people's votes. I
don't know now what.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
They've done it before, unscrewing around.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
They've done it before, and it could happen again.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
And uh, this is serious business and and there are
so many eyes watching this in the legal uh, in
the legal community, that they're gonna have to make a
decision and defend it and that and that and that's
that's big.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Time and and and to get to Jim's point, when
judges are disciplined and prosecutors are disciplined and they lose
their law license they were voted for and they were elected,
they were elected in those county or you know, judicial
circuit votes are being taken away, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
In the legislature, he's helpless in that regard. You know,
he has a lot of friends in the legislature and
a lot of enemies. But they they they're feckless. They
can't do anything about this.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And Tim Rakita would not be the hill I'd want
to die off.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, well, so you think about you've got we talked
at this yesterday on air, think about your two, three
and four in the Indiana state government and Bronze's own thing.
But you got Rakita who could lose his law license.
You got the Lieutenant governor who cor to multiple sources,
including you, there's a grand jury looking into them, and
the Mari County Prosecutor's offices looking into their office. And
(16:50):
then you got grifters r Us mister Morales and the
Secretary of State position and all the things that are
you know, going on with him. I mean, what a
horrible stain these three collectively are. But yet the Democrats
are so nuts that people are like, well, I guess
we'll just take this buffoonery over the Democrats. I mean,
(17:10):
if you're the Democrat, right, don't you have to look
at yourself at the mirror.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Go what's going on with us? If you've if you're
the Democrats, yes, you can point out you know the Foil,
the Foibles, and you know Raketa and through Diego and
the Hold nine Yards and Micah. However, you can't beat
something with nothing right. It's like, Okay, they've proven that.
It's not how convinced my wife. It's how convince my
wife to marry me. It's like, okay, honey, that guy,
(17:34):
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what's going on with Indiana politics and government. All right,
So the members of the Indiana General Assembly. He went
to Washington, d C. Yesterday to meet with President Trump's administration.
Now we know they met with Vance, the Vice president.
There's some confusion on where they met with Trump or not.
I think he may have just met with the leadership.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I think he just met with Sinner Bray and Speaker Houston.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Okay, but and this is all about redistrict. Now, they
talked about other things, right, but it was so funny.
They were like, we're not going to be looking about redistricting,
and then clearly they talked about redistricting. Like that's why
you went. You can't get an honest answer out of
these people.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Ever, it seems like but anyway, a new boll came out.
You put this up at Indie politics dot org. India
Capitol Chronicle covered it as well from Change Research. Now
you know those people, right, have you used them before?
I use them about like maybe six seven years ago. Okay,
they did a poll they claimed one six hundred and
sixty two registered voters in this poll, and fifty two
(20:09):
percent of the people opposed the idea of redistricting, while
just thirty four percent support it. My gut instinct is
that that's probably pretty accurate. I don't think most people
care at all about this. What say you, guys?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
As somebody who is actually getting ready to do some
polling later this fall, once I get some some things
in a row, that's one thing we're going to be
asking about, is the redistricting question. But it doesn't It
doesn't surprise me, because the thing is why why do
you need to do this? And and what's what's the
what's the logic? What's the rationale if you just did it,
you know, five six years ago? And why why why
(20:45):
do you do this again? And Republicans cannot give a
solid answer. Well, we do it because the Democrats did it. Yeah,
and you talk to me about your TPS report, I mean,
help help me out here, because it doesn't make any sense.
And this excuse said, well Elloyd did it. Well, Eldoy
also doesn't have school vouchers or or right to work,
(21:06):
so should we do that too? Because ELLINOI didn't do it?
That and to me that's the problem with all this.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
What about is well, sure, and you hit on something,
which is the poll. According to this poll, sixty percent
respondence rated inflation among their top three priorities. Only seven
percent said that redrawing the legislative maps was the top priority.
So that's why I give some credence to this. Like
I do think sixty percent of the people Jim are like, hey,
stops too expensive. Why don't you focus on that?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I think that's the case.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And as well as Representative ed Claire, I said this,
I'm not sure if it was last week or not,
but on some in some venue I said, well, are
they going to redraw the legislative district?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
As well? And Representative A.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Claire gave that quote to somebody Indiana Capitol Chronicle or
maybe said somewhere you know.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Plagiarism is the greatest form of flattery.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Well, the bottom line is is that is a legitimate
question if you if you're redrawing the the congressional maps,
are you're going to redraw the legislative maps.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
They can't withdraw because that has been done when the
year that ends and won after the census. But the
congression maps they can do almost any time. Well, but
real quick, I was trying to give you credit. I
can't believe the first time in your life if you
would shut up to somebody credit. I think people are
looking at this saying it's a.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Wholly political act. At least Texas can get creative and say, well,
we had five million people move into the state, so
you know, the the numbers are off or whatever. This
is a wholly political function. And they're not even they
can't even come up with an excuse. They're just like, yeah,
Democrats did it, so we're doing it too. It And
I think people.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Attorney General Rakeita said that undocumented undocumented immigrants were counted
last time.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
The course that because because the census, the rules are clear.
The census says persons, it doesn't say citizens. They already
adjudicated this in the court. Now the court has changed.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I think that think what Ruth Bader Ginsburg is no
longer with us, and Cony Barrett's in her place, maybe
the court would rule differently, but it's already been like
I'm sorry, you don't have to like it, but it's
the way it is.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
If you're if you're a strict constructionist, you know which
all these people said, everybodys strict contructions until they're not
and and and and the concert says you count the people, period,
doesn't say citizens, it doesn't say whatever. They doesn't say
green carts a citizen, says count the people who are
in the district. Period.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah. And this I mean, like, I think the bigger
thing here and what because there's some people that are
such Republican homers that they're gonna be for it no
matter what, Okay, whatever, But the I think the regular
people go, wait a second, you're doing all of this
to pick up a seat in Congress, and you wouldn't
help us with property taxes or utility bills. Now, I mean,
(23:46):
we're seeing all these things that are really hurting people
and you will do nothing. But yet when it comes
to helping your party pick up a seat in Congress,
you'll do like.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
And this is gonna take time. This is gonna take
a lot of time. And uh, the maps probably are
already have been drafted redone. Uh. But but to do
it right, they're gonna have to have hearings and they're
gonna have to take uh, it's gonna have to be transparent.
They're gonna have to test that.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Jim, what plann are you? You're such an altruistic guy.
I love you. They're not gonna do any of that.
They're gonna show up and vote. They should. Somebody wrote
an article about that the other day, or somebody in
an article I think it was a Capital Chronicle had
an article in some election attorney or whatever was talking
about this, saying, well, they should do like they do
every ten years, or they should crisscross the state and
hear testimony.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And yeah, I'm a process person, and I and I
and I support the legislative process, and and and maybe
it's just my naivete, but I think they think they
ought to take.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Public test Well, they should, but they're not going to well.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
And and that's what's wrong with this is that there's
not a hue and cry uh and legislators who are
quoted on Twitter and Indie Indiana Capital. And what they
ought to do is be quiet and say if the
governor calls us in decision, we will act. Leave it
to Houston, leave it to Braid to make the decisions.
(25:09):
And people are trying to in the switch. I am
so disappointed in representing Jim Lucas I started building something
disappoint really, you know, he he makes his comic Craig
Haggard represented. They make these big comments about this shouldn't happen,
and then all of a sudden, somebody gives them a
(25:31):
phone call or something, and all of a sudden they're
completely different.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
John Mellencamp did an album in the early nineteen eighties
called I think it was called Nothing Mattered and What
If It Did? And then these guys recognize that now
they recognize they can lie, they can change their story.
They I mean, Jim Lucas drove drunk, blew through a barricade,
fled the scene, tried to hide his car, got cute
with the cops, and what happened He got reelected? So
what is him? Eric was changing his mind on redistricting,
(25:58):
going to do these guys no, because they've so jerrymandered
the districts that the only way they're going down, most
of them, is if they get squarely with the leadership
and go down in a primary. So who cares. They'll
lie to you, they'll deceive you, they'll do whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
They don't care, It doesn't matter. I don't mind a
politician changing his or her mind, but just don't bs me.
It's one thing like, hey, this is my original position,
I got new facts. The effects have changed. Okay, I've
adopted my position because that's what that's what you do.
It's one thing. They're like, well I'm against them against it.
Oh he I can get this in my district. Okay,
now I'm for it. Well, because that's what's happened. What's
happened is it's been the carried and the stick approach
(26:32):
is what it was. And by the way, this all
be in today's Chief Sheet that's coming out yes yesterday,
Happy Wednesday. Everybody is hey you you want this? Hey
we got to this USDA facility moving Indiana. Oh whoops,
that could change, but or you get a primary opponent.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Is one to be Congressman Haggard going to be in
Jefferson Shreves district? Is it going to be in Congressman
Carson's district? Is he going to be in Congressman Baird's district?
He must have seen a.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Map playing district for that matter.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, and he he must have seen a map that
that that he likes, that he's going to be in
that he can run in next time because his full
speed ahead in his congressional run in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
And we got to hear about thirty seconds left, so
real quick, this is why people don't vote. They're admitting
the vote doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yes, you want to belong, continue to lose confidence, Abdul.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Final thoughts in this Chief in the next chief thing
will be out later today. As we record this program.
I'm basically looking at the legal aspects of this, what
the what the players will argue, what they will argue,
and what the court will likely come up with.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
This is in roketa or this is the maps.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
This is the maps.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, Oh, very good you guys, wonderful as always, Thank
you you always have seed all audience expectations.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Stay tuned.
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